US grants went to group trying to oust Netanyahu, Senate finds (July 2016)

[ExomatrixTV]

Democrats are extraordinary at a certain something: Stealing citizen dollars. Affirm, so it’s not generally “robbery;” some of the time, they simply hole up behind incalculable help projects and deplete the pockets of each persevering American, and after that call it “advance.”
Be that as it may, there are times when it totally IS robbery.
You may review that entire Israel/Obama/UN calamity toward the end of last year, correct? And after that Obama pivoted and tried to pass off a flagrant deception, which insiders later uncovered… ?
Presently, on an apparently random note, you will obviously recollect all the reported confirmation that connections the Crooked Clintons to a wide range of misused assets, and this incorporates an unequivocal Russian association.
Goodness, however, the issues ARE connected. In what capacity, you inquire?
They both include degenerate government officials getting and utilizing cash in ways they shouldn’t. What’s more, now, an immense new embarrassment has broken, which includes both Hillary Clinton and previous president Barack Obama:
As spotted at Reddit, (https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5x4w1t/hillaryobama_caught_laundering_tax_payer_dollars/) both of these messy government officials abused citizen reserves and different monies for different purposes. This incorporates unseating Benjamin Netanyahu, coincidentally, so that by itself demonstrates the Democratic Party’s contempt for Israel.
Basically, the Obama State Department gave One Voice about $350,000, then One Voice made the V15 battle to restrict Bibi’s decision in Israel. More from the New York Post: (http://archive.is/zoBqP)
“US taxpayer funds intended to aid peace efforts between Israelis and Palestinians ended up aiding a campaign to defeat Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, according to a Senate report released Tuesday.”
On top of which, confirmation say citizen assets were utilized to promote the reasons for both Hillary and Barack, which is sufficient to make each American see RED.
This is exactly the sort of thing we should explore. Not regardless of whether Attorney General Jeff Sessions ought to leave since he TALKED to Russia (if that is even valid).
The genuine lawbreakers are ideal here, as they’ve generally been. Furthermore, the confirmation is heaping up.


~source: https://www.nationalnewstoday365.com/2017/03/04/gigantic-scandal-just-erupts-huge-proof-that-obama-and-hillary-stole-from-america-taxpayers-revolted/

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[ Mod-edit: As I explain below in Post #12 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96488-US-grants-went-to-group-trying-to-oust-Netanyahu-Senate-finds--July-2016-&p=1138744&viewfull=1#post1138744), I changed this thread's title, and provided a link to the more informative article, on which the above article was based. -- Paul. ]

[Cipher]

I don't know where to post this. My purpose is not to attack any specific individual, it's just a reflection of a growing frustration i've been having with this forum. I could have chosen to not login anymore and slowly disappear. I figured I'd write something instead. Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way and if so I can find another forum that shares my world view as it pertains to this particular topic.

Ive have never posted anything here. I've been a follower of Bill's since his involvement with Project Camelot. At the time I found him to be very cautious and seemed to always maintain his objectivity. He never seemed to jump to conclusions in collecting witness testimonies. I found that to be a very admirable quality given the subject matter covered on Project Camelot. So a few years ago I decided to subscribe to Project Avalon. Initially I was pleasantly surprised by the knowledge of the individual posts and contents of the forum. The majority of the information here is easily accessible on the web.. There's very little here that I can't get anywhere else. The advantage is that it represented a gathering place of like minded individuals. A place to exchange knowledge and experience, a place that promotes growth. Or as the mission statement 'chronicles of the human awakening'.

My disappointment with this site as of late is that it appears to have morphed into a right-wing news channel. Maybe that was always its focus and my expectations were too high. Or maybe more and more conservative minded individuals have gravitated to this site thus clouding all sense of objectivity. I'm not left-wing or independent instead I'm one of those individuals that firmly believes that every individual elected into public office is compromised, without exception. To believe anything different is delusional.

There are enough sites dedicated to expounding the virtues of one political system/party/elected person over another and claims of anti cabal or anti establishment and all that nonsense. In the forum there is a lot of anti Obama and anti Clinton rhetoric countered by how Trump symbolizes the dismantling of the old power structure. The fact is any 'awakened ' person KNOWS Mickey Mouse could be elected president and it still wouldn't matter, what will be will be. Change will not come from within any political structure.

Whatever happened to the belief that real change could only occur as a result of the collective mind focused on a specific out come. I don't know maybe I'm wrong but to be awake to me implies to be aware. Where is the awareness or are those just words.

[ExomatrixTV]

Cipher, using the "right wing" generalization (label) makes your comment not "stronger" to make a point.

[Bubu]

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Whatever happened to the belief that real change could only occur as a result of the collective mind focused on a specific out come. I don't know maybe I'm wrong but to be awake to me implies to be aware. Where is the awareness or are those just words.

change in the collective mind should manifest a visible outcome. trump is a more visible manifestation. dont you think so. or are you saying that change should occur without manifesting. and besides change occur in a progressing manner. while i do believe that real change can occur only as a result of change in the collective mind I dont expect everything and everyone to change overnight. i am happy that there is change, for one the new US president is not a globalist boy. i dont want to be stuck in this situation.

yes there is change in the collective mind and i see it happening progressively that is why i have high hopes in humanity not frustration. maybe you just need to be a little more patient to see it.

[wnlight]

I am getting tired of the sensationalism in posts regarding the Clintons and other political crooks. Members here are well aware of their heinous transgressions. There is no "Gigantic Scandal" here because we know the American people will never hear a word of it. A large headline published on a little-read Web site such as reddit or nationalnewstoday will not stir the populous. Also, I find little difference in the crooked Democrat politicians and the crooked Republican politicians. Both have hurt the US greatly. So posts that present one political party as more or less ethical than the other are distressing to me.

[Bill Ryan]

I am getting tired of the sensationalism in posts regarding the Clintons and other political crooks.

The problem (also with YouTube videos) is the copying of the original screaming headlines — rather than editing or précising them to be more balanced, accurate and/or appropriate. This is always easy to do and takes just literally a moment.

For reference, here's the original:


~source: https://www.nationalnewstoday365.com/2017/03/04/gigantic-scandal-just-erupts-huge-proof-that-obama-and-hillary-stole-from-america-taxpayers-revolted/

http://projectavalon.net/Gigantic_scandal_headline.gif

[Chester]

Whatever happened to the belief that real change could only occur as a result of the collective mind focused on a specific out come.

This statement is bothersome to me but it is possible that I am simply misunderstanding it and thus misinterpreting it. Yet I must respond based on how I interpret the statement which raises my own questions.

As a student of this "awakening movement" what I understood by folks like David Icke was that unless (paraphrased) "a planet wide consciousness shift took place, " then likely the path Icke and many others suggest we are on... a path created and developed by a united third party sometimes referred to as 'the elite' (use whatever label you wish) - a path that marches specifically towards a draconian style, authoritarian, one world government which has a centralized global government at the core, produces a single one world religion, a single one world currency and imposes upon us all (except perhaps that very elite) that we would end up manipulated by media, micro-chipped and 'directed energy weaponry mind managed' to keep us all in line - if not some of us, most certainly our ancestors will experience the fulfillment of this dark reality.

As I read your statement, my concern is that the "focused outcome" of a "collective mind" could indeed be fulfilled by the very third party that wishes to force this outcome upon us all in the manner of which I described above. So I am quite concerned by your statement if you suggest this would be "good for us."



I don't know maybe I'm wrong but to be awake to me implies to be aware.

I would certainly hope that as folks awaken, they experience greater awareness. I also hope that greater awakening and awareness also raises one's level of successful discernment. And if we might agree with this, I then ask... how do we measure ourselves and others as to how awake we/they are, how aware do we/they appear to be and can we agree or not that we/they are demonstrating good discernment?

My own guess of an answer is...

By our/their actions (which not only includes deeds, but words written and spoken).

So my question is... how are folks supposed to demonstrate awareness other than through their actions? Isn't "doing" the end result of manifestation in form?

So then having said all the above, I have another question.

How would it be possible that a student and explorer of all the things found in this forum and found through Project Camelot (much less the greater 'alternative community') not see the emphasis much of the contributors here place in rising about the illusion of the left/right (dems/repubs) distraction oriented dichotomy?

Speaking for myself, I am no left winger or right winger... I consider myself a free-winger and my greatest wish for our kids is that they might be so too.

[Chester]

One follow up... what I saw occur on this forum (in the last year) was a deep interest in the recent US election on the heels of the Brexit vote where I concluded that the interest was in part exacerbated by a sense among many that perhaps a consciousness shift was not only upon us, but was manifesting at many levels of our shared reality experience, including politically. For me, Trump wasn't left or right... Trump was a symbol of a movement that was moving beyond that illusory dichotomy where perhaps an improved shared reality experience might come forth for more and more of us such that sooner rather than later (rather than never) all life on Earth and anywhere near Earth might improve for all manifestations of that life.

[DeDukshyn]

So ... the $350,000 that was supposed to be used to help bring peace to Israel and Palestine, instead was used to help try to unseat Netanyahu ? Isn't that the only way there will be peace between Palestine and Isreal? I don't know but I don't see it possible until Netanyahu is gone. So looks like the money may well have been placed for the actual goal ...

1) $350,000? That's hardly worth complaining about. There's got to be bigger scandals than this worth reporting on?
2) attempting to unseat someone from power? That is what the USA does no matter who is running the show democrats or cons - that is just how they do business - it is so far outside of the realm of a "democrat" or a "conservative" trait, that I feel the attempted slant that only democrats would do such a thing just serves to discredit the source.


EDIT: Perusing the source site of the article (after finding it through a jungle of ads), the site is obviously very into sensationalism ... some would call it 'click bait'.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Cipher, using the "right wing" generalization (label) makes your comment not "stronger" to make a point.

Using the term "right wing" is completely accurate, however. It almost completely describes the kind of content that he is taking issue with.

And while I agree with Cipher, I would go further and decry the encroachment onto this forum of what is most accurately described not as 'right wing' but "Alt-Right" opinions and postings.

These are most often inflammatory and usually based on a finding at a "Fake News" site. They have none of the measured, thoughtfully considered opinion that I have come to enjoy on site. They are, instead, full of hyperbolic vitriol fueled by deeply entrenched prejudices. I long for the days when forum members were at least inclined to be cautious with their world (usually restricted to America) views.

B.

[Fellow Aspirant]

And just what or who is "National News Today"? Is it a legitimate source of truth, or just another "Alt-right" sensationalist rag?
Who is the author? Who are the sources? What is the history of this site?

Come on folks, we're better than this.

As for myself, I choose to read at sites that use at least a little constraint when it comes to their punctuation budget. These guys look like they stumbled onto a garage sale for exclamation points, and have to use them up before they expire. Periods are far cheaper.

B.

[ThePythonicCow]

There are multiple layers to our various human orderings - sports teams, political parties, corporate interests, financial, monetary and religious power centers, cultures, deep states, secret societies, genetic pools, ... These layers have both public and private principles. All these shift over time and location. They shift their focus and the memes around which they rally, or against which they rage.

A power center at a "deeper" layer can gain leverage by splitting a shallower layer along some division, getting many people entangled in that battle against the "other side", making both sides easier to move along some deeper axis, that suits the deeper power center.

This is happening right now with European and American politics. Some of us here on the Project Avalon forum are quite caught up in this present political battle.

The battle has several fronts, including immigration, financial stress, child and human trafficking, genocide, enslavement, destruction of our air, water, land, food and genetics, mass die offs of birds, bees, fish, plants, animals, overly powerful and brutal political and corporate concentrations, destruction of societies, nations and cultures, deeply deceptive education, science and history, and so forth.

These fronts, these concerns, are very real, very serious, and very engaging.

The power concentrations in the deeper, hidden ("occult") layers are actively engaged in fueling the fires of divisions, with a complex, shifting, mix of genuine and fraudulent information and emotion.

Imagine a coastal city, caught up in a civil war, with out of control fires raging, hit by an earthquake and tsunami, as gangs and special op military teams battle in the streets, beneath an erupting volcano. The situation is chaotic and potentially very dangerous, at several levels at once. At the very same time and place, in that very city, people, plants and animals are living and nurturing themselves and each other, learning and growing and gaining increasing awareness, individually and in their communities. The situation is enormously promising and wonderful. None of us can comprehend the entire situation, all at once, in our puny little brains.

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Gigantic Scandal just Erupts! HUGE PROOF Obama and Hillary Stole From America!


EDIT: Perusing the source site of the article (after finding it through a jungle of ads), the site is obviously very into sensationalism ... some would call it 'click bait'.

I am amongst those who would call the article posted in the opening post of this thread 'click bait' and label it sensationalism.

The factual source for that click bait National News Today (http://nationalnewstoday365.com) click bait article is this July 2016 article in the New York Post: US grants went to group trying to oust Netanyahu, Senate finds (http://nypost.com/2016/07/12/us-grants-went-to-group-trying-to-oust-netanyahu-senate-finds/). The New York Post article opens with this explanation:

US taxpayer funds intended to aid peace efforts between Israelis and Palestinians ended up aiding a campaign to defeat Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, according to a Senate report released Tuesday.

The State Department awarded nearly $350,000 to OneVoice, a nonprofit that completed its peace project in 2014 and then handed over its resources to Victory15, an Israeli PAC trying to oust Netanyahu in the 2015 election, said the Senate’s permanent subcommittee on investigations.

The subcommittee found no legal wrongdoing by State because OneVoice used the funds as intended during the grant period.

But it criticized lax oversight that allowed OneVoice to transfer resources developed with US funding, such as voter contacts and political activists, to the dump-Netanyahu effort.

ExomatrixTV - After I finish this post, I intend to change the title of this thread from:
Gigantic Scandal just Erupts! HUGE PROOF Obama and Hillary Stole From America!to:
US grants went to group trying to oust Netanyahu, Senate finds (July 2016)
The original title was click bait, plain and simple. The new title, easily obtained after just a couple of minutes of following the links provided in the NationalNewsToday article, is apparently more accurate.

ExomatrixTV (and any others so inclined): Please don't post undigested click bait articles and titles. Spend a few minutes digging down, to find out what more solid evidence, if any, lays beneath the inflammatory article that got your attention. Click bait articles and titles impede the purpose of this forum ... let me explain what I mean by that further.

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Inflammatory, click bait, articles serve the (usually nefarious) purposes of deeper layers, dividing us along more superficial lines, as I describe above in this post.

To the best of my ability, and the abilities of the founder and other administrators and moderators of this forum, we seek to support each other and to cooperatively improve our understanding and awareness in these difficult times. That is what the forum is "about", in my view. Some of us (well, most of us, sooner or later, myself certainly included) get caught up in one or another of these divisions from time to time. I encourage members to cultivate the self-awareness to notice when we're flying "off the handle" or getting caught up in a more superficial conflict or false meme, and the self-discipline to avoid posting click bait articles and to spend the extra few minutes researching what's behind a report.

"The Forum" is not, when it's at its best, left wing or right wing or other wing. The forum provides a meeting place within which many people, with diverse interests, experiences, talents and purposes, can work together, in various ways.

I give thanks to the many people, over quite a few years now, who have made, and continue to make, valuable contributions of insight, caring, and experience, of resources and talent, to this forum, to its other members, and to its many readers!

[meat suit]

I don't know where to post this. My purpose is not to attack any specific individual, it's just a reflection of a growing frustration i've been having with this forum. I could have chosen to not login anymore and slowly disappear. I figured I'd write something instead. Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way and if so I can find another forum that shares my world view as it pertains to this particular topic.

Ive have never posted anything here. I've been a follower of Bill's since his involvement with Project Camelot. At the time I found him to be very cautious and seemed to always maintain his objectivity. He never seemed to jump to conclusions in collecting witness testimonies. I found that to be a very admirable quality given the subject matter covered on Project Camelot. So a few years ago I decided to subscribe to Project Avalon. Initially I was pleasantly surprised by the knowledge of the individual posts and contents of the forum. The majority of the information here is easily accessible on the web.. There's very little here that I can't get anywhere else. The advantage is that it represented a gathering place of like minded individuals. A place to exchange knowledge and experience, a place that promotes growth. Or as the mission statement 'chronicles of the human awakening'.

My disappointment with this site as of late is that it appears to have morphed into a right-wing news channel. Maybe that was always its focus and my expectations were too high. Or maybe more and more conservative minded individuals have gravitated to this site thus clouding all sense of objectivity. I'm not left-wing or independent instead I'm one of those individuals that firmly believes that every individual elected into public office is compromised, without exception. To believe anything different is delusional.

There are enough sites dedicated to expounding the virtues of one political system/party/elected person over another and claims of anti cabal or anti establishment and all that nonsense. In the forum there is a lot of anti Obama and anti Clinton rhetoric countered by how Trump symbolizes the dismantling of the old power structure. The fact is any 'awakened ' person KNOWS Mickey Mouse could be elected president and it still wouldn't matter, what will be will be. Change will not come from within any political structure.

Whatever happened to the belief that real change could only occur as a result of the collective mind focused on a specific out come. I don't know maybe I'm wrong but to be awake to me implies to be aware. Where is the awareness or are those just words.

hey Cipher,
the content of the forum is in the posts, maybe you could post more to counter and discuss views that oppose your own..
personally I am way beyond the left/right 'choice' setup... it is there to divide people...

[Chester]

Cipher, using the "right wing" generalization (label) makes your comment not "stronger" to make a point.

Using the term "right wing" is completely accurate, however. It almost completely describes the kind of content that he is taking issue with.

And while I agree with Cipher, I would go further and decry the encroachment onto this forum of what is most accurately described not as 'right wing' but "Alt-Right" opinions and postings.

These are most often inflammatory and usually based on finding at a "Fake News" site. They have none of the measured, thoughtfully considered opinion that I have come to enjoy on site. They are, instead, full of hyperbolic vitriol fueled by deeply entrenched prejudices. I long for the days when forum members were at least inclined to be cautious with their world (usually restricted to America) views.

B.

And certainly any honest and fair minded individual would see and admit that extremes to the right are counterbalanced by the "left stream media," "the radical alt-left internet media" and the far and medium left blogger world. The disadvantage for anything that can be considered "right" (other than FOX News) is that none are corporate backed or massively funded anywhere near to the extent anything "left" enjoys.

What speaks volumes is that despite the massive imbalance in funding and reach advantages... when looking at "the game" between the left and the right... the left's butt is getting stomped. Measure this by election results and media ratings - its a massacre.


And just what or who is "National News Today"? Is it a legitimate source of truth, or just another "Alt-right" sensationalist rag?
Who is the author? Who aare the sources? What is the history of this site?

Come on folks, we're better than this.

As for myself, I choose to read at sites that use at least a little constraint when it comes to their punctuation budget. These guys look like they stumbled onto a garage sale for exclamation points, and have to use them up before they expire. Periods are far cheaper.


And who is the corporate "MSM?"

The gift that the recent US election provided is the complete exposure of very real (and precedent) collusion between those who back some within the intelligence community, those within the intelligence community that are either ideologically aligned with those same "those" and/or who are compromised by other "those" and the corporate owners of these colluding and/or compromised "main stream media which is 95% left stream media" as well as many of their editors and a colossal percentage of the reporters - especially anchors and high profile pundits and contributors... all of which are losing market share (and thus experiencing diminishing impact) at a rate that predicts their impending demise unless they see the light and change their ways.

Does any of what I stated above state that there are not problems with "the right?" I would even suggest BIG problems...

When we consider the possible truth behind so much of what has been suggested as "going on" which in turn, if there's any truth to it strongly suggests a significant portion of the ruling class (and their minions) are compromised then perhaps it can be seen that the real problems have nothing to do with the left or the right but instead have everything to do with how the masses buy into that illusion.

recently posted in other threads -

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Now consider what percentage of what might be going on today is "left leaning" today.

Now ask yourself if you think this couldn't be going on today.

Now... do a little more homework on just this forum alone and ask yourself why a "hard left agenda" would be the goal of "the elite." (Hint to just one source - Carroll Quigley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley))

Tragedy and Hope (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_and_Hope)

And then ask yourself why there has to be a boogeyman radical (alt) right?

[Fellow Aspirant]

Re:

hey Cipher,
the content of the forum is in the posts, maybe you could post more to counter and discuss views that oppose your own..

As cipher was posting about the posts that form the content of the forum, I'd guess that he is already pretty aware of their relationship.

As for posting posts that oppose the posts, that is exactly his complaint: he doesn't want to have his time consumed with opposing what he considers to be misleading sensationalism. He is, as I understand it, asking for members to use more discernment in their choice of what they choose to post - in other words, to do some self-editing to protect the integrity of the forum.
Gotta say I agree with him 100%.

B.

[Ewan]

Using the term "right wing" is completely accurate, however. It almost completely describes the kind of content that he is taking issue with.




In your sentence above I disagree completely with the first part, but agree with the latter.

What Cipher actually said was...
My disappointment with this site as of late is that it appears to have morphed into a right-wing news channel.

Now they probably just slipped up and didn't self-edit, but she/he labelled the whole site in one catch-all phrase. Whereas in your sentence you correctly identify that their is plenty of content that may qualify for that label.

Peronally I see tendency from both 'sides' stating opinions as fact that a little self-reflection might temper the steadfastnass (or rashness) of their position. Dichotomies abound.

For me the thoughtful/reasoned posters don't seem to have succumbed to this trend and are still posting as per usual.

I'd certainly be all for people taking stock of what they post before they hit the button. We could do with far less rhetoric that is certainly true.

[DeDukshyn]

I'm starting to find that while many people say they agree that the "left/right" game is just a divide and conquer strategy -- many of those same people still use derogatory terms to paint a broad brush on selected groups, or cherry pick sensationalist headlines to make a point about one side having certain qualities that the other "does not have". If one truly believes the former (re: divide and conquer), then one needs to be more careful about how they express themselves - actions not aligned with beliefs expose the disingenuity of either the belief, or the action.

Of course, not over-reacting to the people who still fall for the trap is just as important as not falling for the trap in the first place.

[Lifebringer]

I too wish they wouldn't shove politics here, but I clicked it, I the curious fool am responsible for viewing it or commenting on it. Other sites, unless it breaking news, not rants, I've lost interest in. Just plain sick of the liars.

[Bill Ryan]

My disappointment with this site as of late is that it appears to have morphed into a right-wing news channel.

I'd say that the right-wing—left-wing dichotomy is an entirely false construct, promoted over decades by NWO-aligned intellectuals aided by the mainstream media.

If Avalon is perceived as a platform for libertarian thinking — which may be a far more accurate statement — I'd be fairly proud. Any enemy of the NWO is [likely to be, at least provisionally!] a friend of mine.

:)

[7alon]

My disappointment with this site as of late is that it appears to have morphed into a right-wing news channel.

I'd say that the right-wing—left-wing dichotomy is an entirely false construct, promoted over decades by NWO-aligned intellectuals aided by the mainstream media.

Indeed it is, as is every other major dichotomy such as pro Muslim or anti Muslim, socialism or capitalism, etc. This, I believe is a form of brainwashing in itself; pushing for people to have the literal mindset of a child (young children think very 'black and white' according to studies), instead of critically thinking about the fact that there is a grey area to consider. For example: There are benefits to both capitalism and socialism, but the extremes of the two aren't necessarily the most beneficial models for society. Perhaps aspects of both models implemented into it's own model is more ideal?

Another example is Muslim vs anti Muslim: Many people see the civil unrest and abuse within Europe, which is being created by refugees from Muslim nations. Does this mean everybody that is a practising Muslim or even the majority aren't peaceful? No, not necessarily. Much like Christianity, there are many people that like to take advantage of the belief system and show disdain and even hatred towards people that don't follow the exact teachings (even if the teachings are negative and show no logic behind them). There are also people that wish to follow a religion without embracing the negative aspects of the said religion.

The black and white mentality is part of an agenda to try and keep people from uniting. Analyse a situation for yourself. Determine why you think somebody is right/wrong, good/evil etc. Let us remember this when people support a politician or any person of significance. Let us engage in peaceful discussion without judgement of one another to understand the reasoning behind one another's views. Together, without denial of logical process, we can come together to establish what is best for the people and our world.