False Flag Alien Threat To Frame The ETs As Enemies

[Harley]

The False Flag Alien Threat To Frame The ETs As Enemies
Harley Hawkins
14 DEC 2010

[Please note that I am in no way promoting doom and gloom and fear. Keep in mind that the purpose of these discussions are for us to figure out what the plans are, how the events may unfold, and what we as a group might be able to do to either stop or change those plans. I believe that once there is a general consensus amongst the group, simply publishing our analysis could "Throw a huge wrench" in their plans, possibly forcing them to (at the least) make adjustments. -HH]

Almost immediately after Bill announced the plans for Demonization / Criminalization of the alternative media, he was personally attacked on the open forum and the highly publicized criminalization of Wikileaks began. By now I would think that it should be rather obvious to most that these plans within their agenda have already started and that they are happening NOW. Since being BEHIND the ball isn't going to do anyone any good, my question is: WHEN DO WE START? And my answer is: WE START NOW!

The False Flag Alien Threat:

I have not said anything about this up until now because I was waiting to see if someone else might. But because I have had a growing concern for some time, which has almost become a sense of urgency within myself, I feel I need to say this now. Whatever I know or think I know does not matter in the least. You may accept or reject any or all of this. That is entirely up to you. But at least the seed will have been planted. Keep in mind that if some or none of this comes to pass there's always the possibility that the seeds of truth that we have planted has exposed enough of their plans to the greater public to cause them to cancel or change their course of action. Ideally, that is our goal.

The Attack:

This will truly be an international event. But unlike 9-11, which only occurred in the U.S., it will have to be magnitudes bigger (After 9-11, remember the difficulties Bush had in convincing NATO and the allies to join "his war"?). However, even at that it's not going to be that difficult or take that much to convince an unsuspecting world that aliens are attacking. And most everything needed to accomplish such a feat is in place RIGHT NOW. I won't attempt to go into any details of the assault because details have to be always adjustable according to changing events as they occur, but I will list some (possible) things to look for. I will also attempt to list the possible differences in the sequences of events between a Real Enemy attack and a False Flag attack so that when it occurs you may more easily identify which it is.

And please, by all means, feel free to read between the lines!

Either Scenario could begin similarly:

1. A few MAJOR siting events from around the world and broadcast live to the world. (Escalation)

2. A UFO or two is reported as being brought down, with dead and captured-alive aliens. (Escalation)

3. A few of earth's military assets from around the world are reportedly taken out. An F16 here, an F22 there, throw in a few MIGS, and maybe even a ship or two. All with loss of life. (Escalation)

Real Enemy:

WAR

1. Take out ALL of earth's satellites - Communications, Radar and Tracking, Space-Based Weapons – All of it including the International Space Station. At this point we will have no more TV coverage unless you have an antenna.

2. Take out earth's air, ground, and sea defenses and Command and Control facilities.

3. Begin taking out earth's infrastructure: Power and water plants, Food supply, etc. (Depending on the aliens agenda or when we surrender.

I need not go any further.

False-Flag Enemy:

WAR

1. Take out SOME of earth's satellites (Only Non-Essential). TV will remain intact to afford the highest visibility to the public.

2. Along with the re-entering satellites will come the take-down of the I.S.S. This will be your Major International Event because it will be watched by everyone, on TV. (Maximum Effect).

3. ICBM's in the U.S., and possibly even in the U.K., Russia, or other areas of the world, will be attacked and disabled. Although ICBM's are not defensive systems and cannot be used as interceptors, this will prove to have a great additional effect because the public has already been “conditioned” to possible UFO/ICBM shutdowns.

4. Air battles and missile launches will be witnessed by everyone, but it will all be skewed to depict the earth as “Holding It's Own”. We will see wins here and losses there, but they will want the population to believe that we have a chance at defeating the enemy BECAUSE they want this to be a long-term, long-standing war.

5. Over the years, most freedoms and many lives will be lost. ALL FOR A LIE!

There is one more possibility that I'd like to mention. Has anyone gave much real thought as to why the last Space Shuttle mission marking the end of the Space Shuttle Program has been delayed so many times and for so long? Sure, I know there are sometimes delays. But for six months or more? Also does everyone know who canceled the Space Shuttle Program? No it was NOT Obama. It was Bush! The Shuttle System was conceived exclusively for the building and servicing of the I.S.S., so basically what this means is the end of the shuttles marks the completion and any major servicing of the station. In other words It Is In-Place. Also, wouldn't that be a tremendous “effect” for everyone to see the final shuttle “Shot Down” while on landing approach, say over L.A.?

Now that I have myself completely depressed, as I'm sure you all are also, I think I'd better stop. I REALLY do not enjoy saying this stuff but I also REALLY need to bring it out in the open. This is one of the reasons I was brought here and I am trying to help. The more people who know how to identify and understand these events as they occur, the more that will cry FOUL and say

WE ARE NOT BUYING IT!



Many thanks to Bill, Hiram, and all of my friends whom have supported and encouraged me. We CAN and WILL make this OUR UNIVERSE!

[Celine]

Very well said Harley


It IS our Universe, they just dont know it yet.

The game has changed, this is our playing field now..

[ponda]

What you say Harley is certainly one possible scenario.

Another one might be that they come to save us from ourselves.War,disease,economic or environmental collapse etc.Just when things are about to get bad 'they' show up just in time to 'save us'.

Another one might be that they show up in 'peace' and offer to 'enlighten' us on what's out there etc.

[Harley]

Yes ponda,

However the scenarios that you are referring to do not fall within the context of this subject. This subject is not about if, when, or why the ETs might "show up".

Thank You,

[ponda]

No probs harley.

I didn't realize that the thread was limited to that particular scenario.My mistake.

cheers

[Etherios]

Yes ponda,

However the scenarios that you are referring to do not fall within the context of this subject. This subject is not about if, when, or why the ETs might "show up".

Thank You,

So what you saying is that the info/possibilities you explains have valid info backing them? Its a real scenario that just have no preset events and it just changes as we go? Is it the real deal?

[Harley]

So what you saying is that the info/possibilities you explains have valid info backing them? Its a real scenario that just have no preset events and it just changes as we go? Is it the real deal?

Hi Etherios,

Asking this kindly and with all due respect: Did you read the full text of the article? Or are you just responding to the title of the thread? I ask this because all of your comments and questions here are covered (quite plainly) in the article, and the purpose of the article was also made quite clear.

Thanks! :)

[Etherios]

Hi Etherios,

Asking this kindly and with all due respect: Did you read the full text of the article? Or are you just responding to the title of the thread? I ask this because all of your comments and questions here are covered (quite plainly) in the article, and the purpose of the article was also made quite clear.

Thanks! :)

ofc i read the hole article... the problem is that i dont see any evidence or any link to evidence. Also you cant explain more details so in the end its a scenario that might happen or the details of it are a possibility... too much maybe :-P

Anyway i hope that we are all still alive when this happens and we are able to expose to the ppl around us that this is all a false flag. Tbh i really wish we could avoid all these but the ptb are just ruthless.

[Beth]

You guys are hijacking Harley's thread. Let's get :focus:

[steve_a]

Hi Harley Hawkins,

Hi Everybody,

Dr. Carol Rosin stated years ago that the governments would try and stage a false flag alien invasion. This was told to her by Vernon Von Braun in 1974. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbsWvaNBPKI She publicly stated this at the Diclosure Project held at the National Press Club organized by Dr. Steven Greer back in 2001.

Best regards,

Steve

[Hiram]

I can state, without going into any more detail that what Harley has posted, this topic has validity and is a possible scenario that may be fast approaching.

Its not about real E.T.s, its concerning the possibility for manufactured, false-flag alien attack in order to galvanize the human race and throw them into passivity and chaos. Then the governments of the world step in and offer to protect us from this "Threat". The threat doesn't have to be real, only appear to be real.

TPTB get to remain in control for the time being, absolute control, something that (because of rapidly advancing technology in the public sector) they are fast losing in this day and time. They simply cannot allow this to happen.

The governments of the world must be the supreme authority for the people. There can be no other power for the people to turn to for help, THEY CERTAINLY must not think they can turn to themselves.

This false flag--carried out successfully--- will cement the power and control structure for a generation.

It behooves us to consider this.

[Fredkc]

Hiram;
Like Inigo Montoya, "Lemme esplain.
No, there is no time to esplain, lemme sum up."

1. Nobody from the government is going to show up, on your front lawn, and protect you from a damned thing.
2. So, next best thing is to get you to 'join up' and protect government from everything it's afraid of.

Said list is never-ending.
Fred

[Hiram]

I fail to see how super-soldiers are germane to this thread? This (supersoldiers) seems like a topic that should have its own thread. In fact I'm suspicious that it is a distraction here.

[AlkaMyst]

Hello Harley,

Everybody!.....With all due respect, the topic and conditions of this thread have been pointed out in the original post by Harley. Everyone here is getting way off-topic and we should show a bit more respect and get back on track!!!!

Thank you Beth!!!

You guys are hijacking Harley's thread. Let's get :focus:

Now that we got that cleared.....first I would like to say,

And please, by all means, feel free to read between the lines!

Either Scenario could begin similarly:

1. A few MAJOR siting events from around the world and broadcast live to the world. (Escalation)

2. A UFO or two is reported as being brought down, with dead and captured-alive aliens. (Escalation)

3. A few of earth's military assets from around the world are reportedly taken out. An F16 here, an F22 there, throw in a few MIGS, and maybe even a ship or two. All with loss of life. (Escalation)

Real Enemy:

WAR

1. Take out ALL of earth's satellites - Communications, Radar and Tracking, Space-Based Weapons – All of it including the International Space Station. At this point we will have no more TV coverage unless you have an antenna.

2. Take out earth's air, ground, and sea defenses and Command and Control facilities.

3. Begin taking out earth's infrastructure: Power and water plants, Food supply, etc. (Depending on the aliens agenda or when we surrender.

I need not go any further.

False-Flag Enemy:

WAR

1. Take out SOME of earth's satellites (Only Non-Essential). TV will remain intact to afford the highest visibility to the public.

2. Along with the re-entering satellites will come the take-down of the I.S.S. This will be your Major International Event because it will be watched by everyone, on TV. (Maximum Effect).

3. ICBM's in the U.S., and possibly even in the U.K., Russia, or other areas of the world, will be attacked and disabled. Although ICBM's are not defensive systems and cannot be used as interceptors, this will prove to have a great additional effect because the public has already been “conditioned” to possible UFO/ICBM shutdowns.

4. Air battles and missile launches will be witnessed by everyone, but it will all be skewed to depict the earth as “Holding It's Own”. We will see wins here and losses there, but they will want the population to believe that we have a chance at defeating the enemy BECAUSE they want this to be a long-term, long-standing war.

5. Over the years, most freedoms and many lives will be lost. ALL FOR A LIE!

There is one more possibility that I'd like to mention. Has anyone gave much real thought as to why the last Space Shuttle mission marking the end of the Space Shuttle Program has been delayed so many times and for so long? Sure, I know there are sometimes delays. But for six months or more? Also does everyone know who canceled the Space Shuttle Program? No it was NOT Obama. It was Bush! The Shuttle System was conceived exclusively for the building and servicing of the I.S.S., so basically what this means is the end of the shuttles marks the completion and any major servicing of the station. In other words It Is In-Place. Also, wouldn't that be a tremendous “effect” for everyone to see the final shuttle “Shot Down” while on landing approach, say over L.A.?

Now that I have myself completely depressed, as I'm sure you all are also, I think I'd better stop. I REALLY do not enjoy saying this stuff but I also REALLY need to bring it out in the open. This is one of the reasons I was brought here and I am trying to help. The more people who know how to identify and understand these events as they occur, the more that will cry FOUL and say

WE ARE NOT BUYING IT!

Very well said Harley..............http://www9l.incredimail.com/scache/im//gallery/content/200806181240/content_12355_prev.gif.

I had posted the following "Alien Invasion Movies Coming Out 2011/2012" (https://www.theavalonfiles.com/blog/?p=84) on my blog (https://www.theavalonfiles.com/blog/?p=84) and I think it correlates with your post.

Hollywood is deeply involved in this!....Has anyone wounder why so many films have been dead on and now they have a parade of "Alien Invasion" movies coming out for the next couple of years? Take a look at "The Day after Tomorrow", has anyone noticed how this film has been playing continuously since it's released on TV? and now most of the Norther Hemisphere is being threaten by a mini Ice Age thanks to the BP Oil Spill.

Wake-Up people, what Harvey is trying to convey to us is that this is a very realistic scenario and the signs to look for in case of such events develop, please don't make it out to be something else and let's get back on topic.


Many thanks to Bill, Hiram, and all of my friends whom have supported and encouraged me. We CAN and WILL make this OUR UNIVERSE!

This Gentleman is a dear friend of Bill's and if he was invited here is because he may have something important to share with us. Some of us may need to learn how to listen more and read between the lines.

"Learn to appreciate all knowledge for what it is, for if it has arrived in your live it may be for a specific reason. Take it, inject it, process it and digested.....FULLY Understand it, make it part of your daily life and when the moment comes Recall it and act upon it........This in terms is what makes you a Wiser Person!"

PS
Please forgive me if my comments where taken personally by anybody....those were not my intentions!!!

[Ahkenaten]

Ok we we need to arm ourselves with discernment and skepticism to counter any attack, real or FAKE on us and our loved ones (and hopefully we can expand that definition ever outwards to encompass more and more of our brothers and sisters) - strength lies in numbers. The more awake and aware we are the better we can take care of business at hand. Conversely the more asleep and benumbed we are "ALL THE BETTER TO EAT YOU UP" as the Big Bad Wolf once said eloquently.

[jeannacav]

To me this is the most essential of the false flag requirements.:


False-Flag Enemy:

WAR

1. Take out SOME of earth's satellites (Only Non-Essential). TV will remain intact to afford the highest visibility to the public.

Whenever I envision any attack or such, I come to the realization that this global communications vector is what will carry the inertia of the FF event and allow it to escalate.

Said another way....... no TV, no imprisonment.

jeanna

[so kill yer TV]

[Oouthere]

Sorry for side stepping the topic.

Rich

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Agreed. I notice a pattern there. Look over here...pay no attention to that. I do think it needs it's own thread though because there is alot of interest in discussing it on this forum.

I am much more interested in a false flag alien threat. I think that is important for us to discuss here.

Imagine 9-11 on crack, LSD, and lots and lots of steroids.......This would be the calibur of a false flag alien attack. A nameless, faceless enemy(just like terrorists) to keep all eath's masses in fear. Its a brilliant idea and if the technology is there i don't see why it couldn't happen. Hiram is right, control via this avenue would last GENERATIONS.

[Ahkenaten]

Koyaanisqatsi you forgot enormous amounts of testosterone

I suggest that there would be two main hallmarks of a fake attack - i.e. that significant elements of what I call the two hollow supporting pillars of TPTB's sacred temple, Joachin and Boaz, would remain standing because they are essential to TPTB continuing to operate their control paradigm. One pillar is the economic system, through which these vampires extract our blood to nourish themselves and the other pillar is the communications system that they rely upon to brainwash and intimidate us and to control the machinery of their far-flung system. If significant elements of these two pillars remain standing that means to me that it is a false attack................if those pillars fall - we are actually under attack by..........?????????????

[Ross]

False flag? Oldest game in the book...has been and will continue to be the source of all control, on all levels of earths SYSTEM structures, including off world and it seems...somewhat Universal.

I am writing below and linking, for those who wish for a better understanding of what exactly is a Falseflag, how it has been and is still widely used today.

"False flag operations are covert operations designed to deceive the public in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of a country other than one's own. False flag operations are not limited to war and counter-insurgency operations, and are OFTEN used in peace-time".

Here are some excellent examples of Falseflag dealings, which once understood, clearly shows how this is used and also falls under other 'Umbrella names'
This gives us a clear understanding that this form of 'Falseflag usage' works extremely well...for whoever is in control, on and off world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag


Ross

[Heartsong]

What is the ultimate goal of this false flag or even real attack? Who wins what? How will they know when they've won?
Destroyed resources and zero inhabitants doesn't seem to be much of a prize for all the effort and cost. And, US government already has people in a state of fear - they've accomplished that through their "terrorism" program and the miss-handling of the economy.
The world governments can't come to agreement on agree on much of anything. Cooperating and pulling off the appearance of a united front in either a false war or a real one seems far fetched.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Society has been conditioned to accept that any off planet visitations will be hostile, for over 50 years. Guess what would happen if even friendlies arrived in our skies?

[ponda]

What is the ultimate goal of this false flag or even real attack? Who wins what? How will they know when they've won?
Destroyed resources and zero inhabitants doesn't seem to be much of a prize for all the effort and cost. And, US government already has people in a state of fear - they've accomplished that through their "terrorism" program and the miss-handling of the economy.
The world governments can't come to agreement on agree on much of anything. Cooperating and pulling off the appearance of a united front in either a false war or a real one seems far fetched.

They might stage a project bluebeam type event as a last ditch effort to keep power if the masses awaken and start to demand change or people start to openly revolt and challenge the established order.Another aspect of masses of people waking up is that they begin to lose the fear that has been instilled in them by the system (msm media propaganda etc) if/when this were to happen then a bluebeam event might be tried to put the fear back into them and keep control.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Ahhh! and thank you for posting! We must always ask ourselves "Who stands to gain from this?" And, usually, it's the globalists and mega-corporations like the one I am employed by. I.E. ****ing bankers. Look at how much legislation was passed after and regarding 9-11, that one isolated event shifted world geo-politics instantly, and here we are, ten years later still laboring under false assumptions and fears. Patriot Act I and II, wiretapping, borders, etc. Who would gain from a false alien invasion?? Hard to say right now but it would be the biggest..."tool for change" mankind has ever faced, it would make so much possible for whatever PTB that the answer, in short, is whoever ORCHESTRATES IT stands to gain, therein lies the speculation. Harley thanks for this thread :)

[str8thinker]

Thanks steve_a for posting the YouTube video of Dr Carol Rosin at the 2001 Disclosure Conference (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9653-False-Flag-Alien-Threat-To-Frame-The-ETs-As-Enemies&p=83492&viewfull=1#post83492).

Carol's testimony is included in full on p.188 of the Disclosure Project Briefing Documents (http://www.disclosureproject.org/access/), as well as being alluded to in many other places in this document. You may wish to download this 39 Mb file here (http://www.disclosureproject.org/access/docs/pdf/DisclosureProjectBriefingDocument.pdf).

The Executive Summary page (http://www.disclosureproject.org/access/aboutexecsumm.shtml) lists all the witnesses - a handy reference for YouTube videos.

You will also find copies of this on Bibliotecapleyades.net.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/exopolitics_extraterrestrialfalseflag.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZCb.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/disclosure/briefing/disclosure09.htm

Unfortunately, the first article in this page of links, titled "'ET' False Flag Operation to Begin in August" (2007) by GhostRaven and taken from the ATS forum has been confirmed as a deliberate hoax (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread288370/pg1). As we know, no real event of this nature took place. Yet it still remains in the Bibliotecapleyades archive.

Similar YouTube videos, also worth watching:

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[Bill Ryan]

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I've not responded yet to this important thread, but I wanted to thank Harley Hawkins for his detailed and highly intelligent presentation.

As far as I'm given to understand, HH got a lot right in his opening post - and this is a subject that we should pay very close attention to through 2011 and 2012.

There may well be a critical and challenging role for the alternative media to head this one off - just as it seems we successfully headed off the Swine Flu / Vaccinations scenario in 2009.

This is a larger mountain to climb, as the public is so ill-informed. There will probably be much more about this in the coming months, including from myself.

[Luke]

(...)There may well be a critical and challenging role for the alternative media to head this one off - just as it seems we successfully headed off the Swine Flu / Vaccinations scenario in 2009.

This is a larger mountain to climb, as the public is so ill-informed. There will probably be much more about this in the coming months, including from myself.
Indeed, especially if we consider that such events do not happen in vacuum.
There is always a conditioning campaign as to maximize effect of one-time event.
There are many avenues, not least of them building general level of insecurity (economic, safety etc.) .. In case of 9/|| that was the bursting of dot-com bubble for example.

Anyway, there are steps to this affair, that must first materialize before "big one" ... and by nullifying the preparatory movements, we have great chance of making the "final" unplausible.

Block the chesspieces so to speak.

Still we must be aware what strategic goals are, as not to be outflanked.
Events are tactical means, let us not miss this distinction.

(Great thread Harley!)

[BMW]

Let them commit to actions that by design are hard to reverse out of
For instance:
They will use individual testimony which supports there theory , they will use UFO enthusiasts to prove there case,so you guys organise people that say the right thing,the publicity machine at low level will fly down on this sort of testimony ,with little thought.if you say in an irresistible way the very scenario they wish to design.
And when you are heavily involved...
Pull the rug....

[JoshERTW]

For a while now I've had a feeling that my role in this game, as a so called "truther" or "conspiracy theorist" or whatever it is you might call someone who is paying attention, is to really go all out when/if something like this comes down the pipe, and as the pieces begin falling into place (i.e. the propganda machine starts to roll its printing presses - such as it has with The Event, V, the 10+ alien invasion movies coming out between 2009 - 2011) it is my job - and anyone elses job, to start hinting that there may be something more to this than meets the eye to anyone we know. I don't mean go all out and overwhelm them, but plant the seeds of the idea that there might be a reason why we are seeing so much of this in the media.

If the seeds are planted, when the real "event" plays out, hopefully enough people will snap back into awareness, sprouting conciousness from those seeds of truth - and realize that whatever goes down is not necessarily what it seems.

At this point, or perhaps even slightly before it if the plans are knwon, the "truthers" will need to really be making some noise. On this issue and on the issue of 'the microchip' I've decided that those will be my breaking points, where I will have to stop caring what other people think about my "being crazy" and go all out against these agenda's. Until then silent and targetted resistance (i.e. planting these seeds of truth) is for me, the best and most effective course of action.

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Edit: Not that I particularly care now, most of my friends and family already think I'm nuts ;)

[A New Hope Reborn]

yea! i think TPTB are egotistically deluded into thinking they can pull this one off but i think there is no way in hell the benevolent ET's are going to let them do this because this is a threat to them.

[BMW]

That's a reference,were I work!
:rolleyes:

[Dale]

Allow me to add to this thread a moment.

Suppose we wake up one morning next year in August, turn our television sets on, and see a a news report mirroring something we'd recall from films such as "Independence Day," or "Signs." Large craft perched above major cities, flying about our skies.

And next, let's suppose the reporters and anchors begin foreshadowing these ominous craft as malevolent.

What would you do? What would the people of this planet do?

It seems most important that we do a bit of "soul searching," or meditating before the new year; and reflect that internal change toward to external world in which we operate. Once we understand a bit of who we are, the world around us begins to make a great deal more sense.

Yes, plans are on for an "ET false flag threat," but such a plan requires only one element to be successful; a reactive populace.

[kudzy]

Suppose we wake up one morning next year in August, turn our television sets on, and see a a news report mirroring something we'd recall from films such as "Independence Day," or "Signs." Large craft perched above major cities, flying about our skies.

And next, let's suppose the reporters and anchors begin foreshadowing these ominous craft as malevolent.

I would add:
Then suppose the world leaders held a "State of the World Address" mobilizing humanity to set aside our differences and focus our energies toward a global military/industrial complex the likes of which we have never seen before. Similar to what ol' ronnie reagan alluded to years ago. The whole world would be directed toward thwarting a fake enemy. It would sure turn the economy around. Then imagine trying to explain to your neighbor that it's all an elaborate hoax.

I'm confident that we can avoid this dire scenario by increasing our awareness.

[Samurai]

good thread!

the reasons behind such an event are what in my eyes is more important, and who such an event would benefit.

it has been widely reported that population control or a mass culling is on the cards, this is a recuring theme.
what better than to have an alien enemy do this for you, or maybe a exotic disease of alien descent, non curable and devestating. no finger of blame pointed at TPTB.
the other widely touted theory is the military industrial complex needing a threat to keep rolling.

or maybe a combination of all the theories could be put into place with this, including, a oppressive controlled high tech police state, mass culling, and a chance to rebuild with new clean 'alien' technology and the drastically reduced population.

i cant see it being a minor event of a few ships apearing and a few planes being shot down. this is too big an opertunity to bring other planned events into play.

however, would this truely be a 'fake alien invasion'?
if we have been in contact with and controlled by aliens/interdimensional beings for all of our history, and even created by aliens, watched over and pushed into cirtain directions both technologically and genetically then could/would such an event actually take place without the say so or the assistance of aliens?

could the only FAKE part be the actual invasion, as they are already here, and have always been here, have thier claws well and truely in every aspect of our world, and no 'invasion' as such is actually needed?

there seems to be various races here in one form or the other, and it seems to be that there are less than sincere groups amongst those which have possibly dark motives, this invasion senario would benefit them immensly as well as TPTB that are part of the whole bigger picture.

If you take all of the stated wants and possible aims of these groups, the agenda that we are all aware of in varying amounts, this is the one event that could bring everything into play, and aliens wolud be very very much behind this, if they are not, and this happens without aliens, then aliens are not here, and that is pretty unlikely imho.

if this would be used for such a devastating change and mass population decrease, will the rebuilt world be a beneficial one, with free energy and a new more spiritual society - will 'friendly ETs' swoop in and save the day right at the last dying moment?

but one thing is cirtain, be it fake or real, we have to behave in the same way, if it is a big change, a massive destructive event, then it will be those which have prepared that will survive, the free thinkers, the strong and educated, the non-sheeple, exactly the ones that if you were rebuilding the world in a new and more benficial way, you would want in it.

i dont know, i have no insider knowledge, been trained as a supersoldier, or been channeling zetas, and its all pure speculation on my part, but common sense tells me if you do have 'agenda' and your gonna stage an alien invasion, produce an annonymous enemy, your gonna take advantage of it, and not just put on a pretty show for the cameras.

[Samurai]

i think what im trying to put across is, do we need to change as a planet to take our next step into a galactic/universal community, is this time rapidly approaching?
does this change have to mean that we need to face some really difficult and pressing times, can we be alowed to move into this planetary environment with so many negative traits as a race?
if the soul is eternal, and if death is only a state of change, then would the culling of billions, billions of souls taking a necessary step in their evoltion, in the higher picture, be something that would actually be acceptable to a race of beings with a complete veiw of the bigger picture so to speak. could this actually be what will be used to take the planet into this new stage?
maybe the huge number of souls that are her on the planet right now are here for this mass movement of spirit that could be planned?

alan watts once said that when you look at the human organsim up close under a microscope cells will be attacking cells, the scene is that of destruction and disharmony, but when you remove the microscope and look at the human, the body is in harmony.
maybe within the bigger picture this could be an acceptable tool for all of our developements, be that spiritual movement into another form or plain, or the continuation of the planet and our race in this experience.
maybe TPTB, if they are influenced/controlled by ETs or actually are ETs have a far bigger picture in mind that we cant see because we are overwhelmed by the fear of our own mortality, and too rooted in our current experience.

or am i just getting all apocolyptic and full of xmas cheer?
maybe im resigning myself to doom!

maybe i need some vitimin d...

[Humble Janitor]

What you say Harley is certainly one possible scenario.

Another one might be that they come to save us from ourselves.War,disease,economic or environmental collapse etc.Just when things are about to get bad 'they' show up just in time to 'save us'.

Another one might be that they show up in 'peace' and offer to 'enlighten' us on what's out there etc.

Are we that conditioned to believe that everything is "NWO this, TPTB that" to a point where if GENUINE assistance were offered, we'd be skeptical and dismissive of it?

I think that's a dangerous path to walk as well. There are definitely benevolent ETs out there and if they truly wanted to help us, they could. They're not supposed to (free will) but I don't think much is stopping them from it (well, perhaps dimensional/frequency issues, space command, etc).

[Humble Janitor]

Hi Etherios,

Asking this kindly and with all due respect: Did you read the full text of the article? Or are you just responding to the title of the thread? I ask this because all of your comments and questions here are covered (quite plainly) in the article, and the purpose of the article was also made quite clear.

Thanks! :)

Indeed it was.

You laid out several scenarios, including a "Real" and "False-Flag" versions of what could happen.

:cool:

[Humble Janitor]

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I've not responded yet to this important thread, but I wanted to thank Harley Hawkins for his detailed and highly intelligent presentation.

As far as I'm given to understand, HH got a lot right in his opening post - and this is a subject that we should pay very close attention to through 2011 and 2012.

There may well be a critical and challenging role for the alternative media to head this one off - just as it seems we successfully headed off the Swine Flu / Vaccinations scenario in 2009.

This is a larger mountain to climb, as the public is so ill-informed. There will probably be much more about this in the coming months, including from myself.

I agree Bill and I just want to add that even though some feel that the History Channel cannot be trusted, it has sort-of made some of my relatives question 2012 and question the meaning of their existence and whether or not there's more to life than what we're being told. I think this is a good thing and I think that in order to de-condition people to the idea of hostile ETs, they must have access to information that challenges their very core.

If these folks can be de-conditioned, then it will tie into HH's post because these people will not stand for the false-flag IF they know the true nature of benevolent ETs.

[ponda]

Are we that conditioned to believe that everything is "NWO this, TPTB that" to a point where if GENUINE assistance were offered, we'd be skeptical and dismissive of it?

I think that's a dangerous path to walk as well. There are definitely benevolent ETs out there and if they truly wanted to help us, they could. They're not supposed to (free will) but I don't think much is stopping them from it (well, perhaps dimensional/frequency issues, space command, etc).

Just possible scenarios Humble,nothing more.If something like that happens then look at it with an open mind would be my advice.How would one be able to prove hostile or benevolent intent anyway ?


Say the bad guys show up.Are they going to appear as bad guys and then ask us if we want their help....probably not because everyone will assume that they are bad guys and are a threat to us.There are probably protocols in place that have to be followed.Just a guess.

[Humble Janitor]

In that case, they could be like the ETs in V (offer help and then slowly reveal their hidden agenda over time) or they could some shooting at us.

We'd have to follow our hearts on this one.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Then suppose the world leaders held a "State of the World Address" mobilizing humanity to set aside our differences and focus our energies toward a global military/industrial complex the likes of which we have never seen before.

Yes, a "state of the world address", or convene a "world counsel" to deal with said visiters. It would be the embryonic stage of one world government(which would then be seen as a necessity by the mASSES). The only tool for truth we'd have would be non MSM, which may not exist for long if the Wikileaks turns out to be a conspiracy to monitor/censor the internet (not to change topic, i digress). That would b the last leg to stand on, last avenue of mass effectiveness with which to push the truth. Maybe these are all the aformentioned sequences leading up to the false flag, gain some control over free unadulterated information, once that is complete you present a worldwide crisis that m,akes the people DEMAND a one world government to deal with said crisis........hmmm...... I appreciate all of you who have posted your thoughts on this thread, it is serving me well to ponder this.
I'm confident that we can avoid this dire scenario by increasing our awareness.[/QUOTE]

[Koyaanisqatsi]

* Whoops, that first paragraph there is one I meant to quote from earlier in the thread.

[Harley]

Hi All,

I wanted to make a quick comment here, simply to raise awareness regarding this subject.

Although I in no way endorse these two reports, take a look at these two recent articles posted here on Project Avalon:

1. Israel Shoots Down UFO (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9466-Israel-Shoots-Down-UFO&highlight=ufo+israel)
2. UFO Fires Laser at Village in India (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9899-UFO-Fires-Laser-at-Village-in-India)

Whether or not there is any substance to either of these reports really makes little difference here. What I would like to point out though is these articles represent great examples of the possible conditioning of the population.

Over a period of time it could go something like this:

1. Whether true or not, reports similar to these will increase across the alternative
media (internet, YouTube, etc.). Gradually more and more will be circulated
until finally . . .

2. The "Nightly News" (MSM) makes a mention of it. At first (most likely) these
reports may be made "in-light-of" and/or with sarcasm.

3. In the news, there will be reports of other events, such as missile shut-downs
(we're all used to that by now!), Power Plant Facilities (Nuclear and Water
Dam) problems, etc, etc - All seemingly unrelated to ufo's at the time.

4. In the news, they will begin to tie 1. 2. and 3. together.

5. In the news, it will continue to escalate from there. Until . . . ?

This is how the conditioning of the masses that I was referring to works. This conditioning actually started years ago, in fantasy and sci-fi (movies, books, etc) and has fairly recently begun to manifest into reality.

It's really important that we all use intelligent discretion and judgement regarding any reports. We all have a lot to learn, including me. I'm just saying . . . Make Yourself Aware and Pay Attention!

I know everyone here has read my little article, right? :) I would now like to recommend, and even suggest if you don't mind, that you all go back and read my article again. It is not that long, but in doing so you just might be able to "pick-out" a little more (info/ideas/concepts) that you may have missed the first time. (Hint: Highlighted Words Are For A Reason)

Many Blessings To All!

[Bill Ryan]

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The trailer for Battle: Los Angeles (to be released on 3.11.11):

http://imdb.com/title/tt1217613



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKC_ORM0vpo

[Carmody]

The biggest sign to watch for, IMO, comes in the way it is packaged. The signs or smell of it will be that the unfolding of multiple activated channels of 'goals' will be seen fairly early..or even before the main game begins. The PTB, and what backs them, never wastes a move for the purposes of a single outcome. For example, in a fight, a good martial artist parries a thrust with a defensive move that opens into a offensive move..and the best fighter will turn this defense to offense move into a situation that can unfold into multiple different possible offensive or finishing moves.


To explain possibly a bit more clearly.... in any move toward a false flag alien threat, multiple agendas will be set in motion within the actual acting out of he scenario. As stated, some scenarios will begin before the unfolding of any false flag attack.

There should be ..and most times they attempt or actually do this...there ARE small bits of evidence trails that are there..if you know what to look for. This has always been the 'mark' of the hidden hand, in my experience.

This can be expressed as simple reasonable tactical positioning in complex situations. Nothing is perfect... and multiple channels of possibility and control work best in order to deal with any potential surprises.

ie, a real alien appearance would be likely to be difficult to control with regard to keeping the steering of the event (in the aftermath) in a way that may compliment anyone's given desires.

A PTB created false flag alien event will be tightly monitored with multiple avenues of control and assurance of outcome. In essence, that will be the mark of the hidden hand.

[Snowbird]

What you say Harley is certainly one possible scenario.

Another one might be that they come to save us from ourselves.War,disease,economic or environmental collapse etc.Just when things are about to get bad 'they' show up just in time to 'save us'.

Another one might be that they show up in 'peace' and offer to 'enlighten' us on what's out there etc.

I'm not sure Ponda if there will be any sort of saving us from ourselves. We have to save us from us.

Although, the benevolent off-planet beings, are now intervening on earth. But they will, hopefully, be more mentors than dictators.

[shiva777]

our ET families are making INNER contact with people who have enough spiritual integrity and awareness to be worthwhile contacting...think about how much more sense that makes than the other scenarios

those pushing the saviours from space swooping down to save the day are falling for the same distortion and lie as the religions have been propagating...that humanity needs external babysitters to save them,the new age religion is pushing the same agenda as the religions with their secon-coming of Jesus,Maitreya,the Imam Madhi etc..wether it be Maitreya,ET's,2012 WHATEVER,it's always some kind of EXTERNAL event that is being pushed to take away humanities awareness of their inherent ability to save themselves through inner connection to their greater selves...our space families are US and they are contacting more and more people from WITHIN....the religions and new-age are trying to keep people in an inner fog of complacency and superficial understandings...dig deeper,ask your Higher selves to CONCIOUSLY connect you to what's really going on

[Snowbird]

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The trailer for Battle: Los Angeles (to be released on 3.11.11):

http://imdb.com/title/tt1217613



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKC_ORM0vpo

Good find, Bill.

Their destructive voracity is never-ending. They have destructively worked their way through and around the U.S. starting with the east coast, the Great Lakes, the southern coast and not surprisingly, the alleged west coast.

And in addition, from what little I have seen in the trailer, they are attempting to redefine the sacred feminine for those who believe what they see and hear. Since when do women go into battle wearing makeup? But that's not the point. The point is seeing and hearing women, alongside men, in uniform battling a universal foe....together. How absolutely clever can they get? This is the inverse/adverse representation of the sacred feminine. We wouldn't want to see and hear women and men equally, working together for peaceful resolutions which is what the sacred feminine will become in due time.

[THIRDEYE]

whos to say ets will be used as a false flag,however ive seen anomalies in the sky that showed no threat....will i sit here and sht my pants i think not....tptb know they want a false flag.....i believe in ets,i think there is a polarazation amongst poeple in the world...if anything happens such as afalse flag the goverment has something to do with it so they can line there greedy little hands and pockets with money...dont they know if there is benevolant ets im sure the would have showed there tails already...as far as the coming years i think it will be difficult..thats where are spiritualality will come in....many thanks to this post...love light and abundance...thirdeye....

[Snowbird]

Sorry folks, but I just have a lot to say on this thread today.


Harley Hawkins - opening post

The Attack:

This will truly be an international event. But unlike 9-11, which only occurred in the U.S., it will have to be magnitudes bigger (After 9-11, remember the difficulties Bush had in convincing NATO and the allies to join "his war"?).

Either Scenario could begin similarly:

1. A few MAJOR siting events from around the world and broadcast live to the world. (Escalation)

2. A UFO or two is reported as being brought down, with dead and captured-alive aliens. (Escalation)

3. A few of earth's military assets from around the world are reportedly taken out. An F16 here, an F22 there, throw in a few MIGS, and maybe even a ship or two. All with loss of life. (Escalation)

I'm not so sure Harley if this needs to become a global conflict. I don't think that this is what is intended, if indeed they carry through with something of this sort. Their goal, is to dismantle the United States of America so that they can finalize their plans to utilize the states for their global corporate goals. They must simply present a valid-appearing battle with the enemies from off-planet, which are, in reality, actors stemming from black ops. I'm sure that they will have real-looking ETs which are most likely clones. This will force massive fear into the minds of the U.S. populations, with the exception of those who know better, and this fear will translate into the removal of what few freedoms remain in this country. There are people in this country who will easily fall for this action.

The true off-planet enemies, are those who have been in collusion with the Illuminati and the black-ops and the group beyond the black-ops for half a century or longer. These true off-planet enemies were removed from this earth a while back. What remains, are their technologies that they shared with the U.S. government many decades ago. These technologies, which the U.S. tax-payers have been funding all this time without knowing it, are what have built the black-ops space fleet that will allegedly be used to appear like an attacking ET enemy.

After listening to the Red Ice Radio interview with James Gilliland, linked below, James states that the non-interference policy is over and we are now in a position to receive help and advice from benevolent off-planet beings who have our best interests at heart. James says that the scepter has been passed to the Pleiadians who along with the Andromedans and the Sirians and others, are working to ensure that our earth and those inhabitants ready and willing, evolve.

James also says that there will be benevolent off-planet races who park over cities as a show of not power, but friendship. This is when, he says, our BS-meters, (a term that I just love) will have to kick into high gear.


Red Ice Radio - James Gilliland UFO & ET Contact At The ECETI Ranch

We also discuss the UFO community and how the establishment seems to be getting ready to use UFO and ET disclosure for their own purposes and agenda.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2010/11nov/RIR-101104.php

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Was looking for a smiley for ROFL, a really good one, now in my estimation I thought its pretty stupid of supposedly advanced OPI waiting till mankind has the capabilities of at least defending itself with some pretty good weaponry, technology, and would give any hostile invaders a few hits back at least. They could have taken over this entire planet just 100 years ago if that was their intent. I just cannot see this as a feasible scenario, the controllers know the public are aware and many know it would be far more than the 1950's "War of the Worlds" when it comes to fighting back.

[Snowbird]

Was looking for a smiley for ROFL, a really good one, now in my estimation I thought its pretty stupid of supposedly advanced OPI waiting till mankind has the capabilities of at least defending itself with some pretty good weaponry, technology, and would give any hostile invaders a few hits back at least. They could have taken over this entire planet just 100 years ago if that was their intent. I just cannot see this as a feasible scenario, the controllers know the public are aware and many know it would be far more than the 1950's "War of the Worlds" when it comes to fighting back.

But Spirit Wolf, we have to remember that both 9/11 and the Gulf of Mexico incidences were advertised shortly before the actual events.

Not all of the public is aware. There exist huge pockets of people who to-this-day, haven't a clue as to what is going on around them. To some of these, who I happen to know, extraterrestrials are just now beginning to come into their thought patterns as some sort of strange anomaly. They believe what the government or the military or the mainstream media tells them. These, I'm afraid, would believe in this type of ET attack scenario. These, still believe in the original 9/11 government conspiracy. These, are the very people who are being targeted by this sort of attack threat.

[Harley]

Thanks Carmody - I love being prompted! :)

[...] multiple agendas [...] As stated, some scenarios will begin before the unfolding of any false flag attack.

[...] There should be ..and most times they attempt or actually do this...there ARE small bits of evidence trails that are there if you know what to look for.

[...] multiple channels of possibility and control work best in order to deal with any potential surprises.

A PTB created false flag alien event will be tightly monitored with multiple avenues of control and assurance of outcome.
Pentagon
http://www.september11news.com/CNNPentagon8.jpg

Mystery Plane
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8674/naoc01.jpg

E-4B National Airborne Operations Center
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/e-4b-clouds.jpg

(Hope I'm not being too specific here? LOL!)

PLEASE! Do NOT turn this into another 9-11 conversation!

Thank You :)

[ponda]

I'm not sure Ponda if there will be any sort of saving us from ourselves. We have to save us from us.

Although, the benevolent off-planet beings, are now intervening on earth. But they will, hopefully, be more mentors than dictators.

I was implying that this scenario could be used by negative et's to introduce themselves, gain our trust and 'openly' get a foot in the door.

[Galaxy]

everything can be taken out that is made of matter

[Snowbird]

I was implying that this scenario could be used by negative et's to introduce themselves, gain our trust and 'openly' get a foot in the door.

There are times when I am wrong and this might be one of them. However, from what I understand, the real negative ETs have been removed from the earth and all negative ETs are not allowed to approach planet earth from space.

Those ships that are seen in our skies are either benevolent ETs OR they are homegrown ships with homegrown ETs on board.

Currently and into the future, we will have a difficult time being able to distinguish the difference between these two groups. The homegrown space ships commandeered by the homegrown ETs, are malevolent and not to be trusted. This is where our discernment or our BS-meter will be forced into high gear.

[Galaxy]

There are times when I am wrong and this might be one of them. However, from what I understand, the real negative ETs have been removed from the earth and all negative ETs are not allowed to approach planet earth from space.

Those ships that are seen in our skies are either benevolent ETs OR they are homegrown ships with homegrown ETs on board.

Currently and into the future, we will have a difficult time being able to distinguish the difference between these two groups. The homegrown space ships commandeered by the homegrown ETs, are malevolent and not to be trusted. This is where our discernment or our BS-meter will be forced into high gear.

where are you getting your information?

[Snowbird]

where are you getting your information?

Concerning which subject? Most of this information stems from people who have the ability to be in contact with benevolent off-planet beings. This info definitely does not stem from the military or the government.

[Galaxy]

Concerning which subject? Most of this information stems from people who have the ability to be in contact with benevolent off-planet beings. This info definitely does not stem from the military or the government.

and you trust these people?

[Banshee]

.................................

[Snowbird]

and you trust these people?

Absolutely! :nod:

[timerty]

If the aliens could disable nuclear missile silos, then they could also disable everything in military and government bases worldwide, then they will hijack the media(as they said they would) to play a message like this--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XLKb8id0Us

[Ross]

What if they already run the media...the entire world systems, perhaps what we see, are only minions at work...?

[Snowbird]

What if they already run the media...the entire world systems, perhaps what we see, are only minions at work...?

Ross, who do you mean by they? There are as many different types of off-planet groups of extraterrestrials as there are on-planet groups of both extraterrestrials and humans and hybrids. We are surrounded by extraterrestrials from off this planet earth. They reside in various dimensions and come and go at will. We normally cannot see them unless and until they decide to make themselves visible.

They're here and have been here for a very long time.

I interpret your above statement as those off-planet beings who are not working toward universal peace and understanding, but whose ultimate goals are control and destruction. With this, I agree.

However, I also know that there exist millions of highly benevolent extraterrestrials in human form that are here specifically for our good and the good of Mother Earth.

[Carmody]

Yes, but..snowdood... you have to consider that the plan is to help to move mankind, overall, to a different point.

This ends up requiring that one who may know differently to not just reside in a space of knowing, but to be able to communicate that to those who do not, so the transition can be enabled.

What I'm saying is that rubber on the ground is needed. This means that in the context of all, your position of knowing has no reflection in this so called 'real world'. This should indicate to you that what is needed is a method of getting that across.

And... that will take more than willful statements on 'knowing'. Considerably more. So much 'more', ie an act of purposeful substantiation that crosses many areas of science, philosophy, and religion on/in the "real rubber on the road world".

What I'm saying is that to the casual reader, your statements on knowing, and the following points about aliens, dimensions, etc, they make you look like a nut to the average reader. Those people...They just can't 'get there', their minds simply bounce off of it. And you repeated points or statements on it don't help, in the slightest.

I know where you are coming from - I can extrapolate from your musings and statements. And, for the most part, dare I say... 'we' know where you are coming from.(the majority of forum members overall)

I am not the target audience. Those people who do not know or do not understand, those people are the target audience. And right now, the people you are trying to get something across to... your musings are simply bouncing right off them.

I'm hoping that you are trying to communicate something, not just get a reflection or affirmation of your point of existing. The entire thrust of my post centers around that, as a concept. If that is true, then your musings are extremely problematic for the target audience. The target audience that needs to understand this from all angles and conceptual basis. You are coming in at such a steep angle that you are bouncing right off their heads and back into deep space.

Coming forcefully at people with 'unsubstantiated facts' never works. Never has, never will. If you come at it gently as a point of potential..so someone can then look at a neutral presentation and then allow THEIR intellect to calmly (as no one forced an emotional condition on them in the delivery of the information) muse and probe the given concept, information and thoughts..that works nearly every time.

Forceful presentation of difficult data or personal belief systems has, for the very large part, never worked. Thus, coming at the general public with complex tales of giant complex alien and dimensional worlds,spaces and places... is only going to, from their eyes, stamp you with a giant 'fail' sticker.

I have a feeling that is not what you want.

[Snowbird]

Yes, but..snowdood... you have to consider that the plan is to help to move mankind, overall, to a different point.

I believe that during my last incarnation, somewhere off this Earth, I was a military snowdood. During this go-around, I am a snowdooda.

And yes, that consideration is of basic and utmost importance within the overall plan. A massive undertaking at that.



This ends up requiring that one who may know differently to not just reside in a space of knowing, but to be able to communicate that to those who do not, so the transition can be enabled.

What I'm saying is that rubber on the ground is needed. This means that in the context of all, your position of knowing has no reflection in this so called 'real world'. This should indicate to you that what is needed is a method of getting that across.

Up to a point on this thread, I was/am involved in mini-online conversations. At a point in time, a poster asked a pointed question. I answered that question which, is my opinion based upon my research and experiences. IF, the questioner had wanted or needed more information or direction from me, I would have been more than happy to oblige. However, I interpreted the question as more of a hit-and-run type of question. In answer to the intial question, I asked for clarification and instead, received an additional short question...which is the questioner's right. I answered accordingly.



What I'm saying is that to the casual reader, your statements on knowing, and the following points about aliens, dimensions, etc, they make you look like a nut to the average reader. Those people...They just can't 'get there', their minds simply bounce off of it. And you repeated points or statements on it don't help, in the slightest.

Of course to the average reader, anyone discussing something that they have little knowledge of or interest in, will make the discusser appear like a nut. For me, this is not the first time nor will it be the last. I am simply unable to offer linked articles or book quotes or radioshow channels for everything that I state...some of which, is my own opinion. I do have knowledge of quotes and article information and book information, etc. that I have studied over the years. I do not, however, have a mind that is capable of memorizing each and every minute reference for each topic/subject that I learn. I wish that I did.

And in addition, I have no idea from where a casual non-member poster is coming from. It is up to that poster to somewhat introduce him/herself and offer to us their level of understanding on any given subject. I have no idea how much they know or care to know. Or, to what extent they care to become involved in the subject matter.


I know where you are coming from - I can extrapolate from your musings and statements. And, for the most part, dare I say... 'we' know where you are coming from.(the majority of forum members overall)

My point, exactly.


I am not the target audience. Those people who do not know or do not understand, those people are the target audience. And right now, the people you are trying to get something across to... your musings are simply bouncing right off them.

I'm hoping that you are trying to communicate something, not just get a reflection or affirmation of your point of existing. The entire thrust of my post centers around that, as a concept. If that is true, then your musings are extremely problematic for the target audience. The target audience that needs to understand this from all angles and conceptual basis. You are coming in at such a steep angle that you are bouncing right off their heads and back into deep space.

And, if someone is shocked by or interested in something that someone writes on these threads, it is up to that one to investigate further and learn on their own. If they have a further question while posting, any one of us I'm sure, would be more than happy to offer a response. In short, I don't have a responsibility to explain every minute subject in detail for those who, I think, may or may not be reading stated information. They are responsible for asking the questions and performing their own research.

I have no target audience Carmody, with the exception of those to whom I am directly responding...such as Carmody.



Coming forcefully at people with 'unsubstantiated facts' never works. Never has, never will. If you come at it gently as a point of potential..so someone can then look at a neutral presentation and then allow THEIR intellect to calmly (as no one forced an emotional condition on them in the delivery of the information) muse and probe the given concept, information and thoughts..that works nearly every time.

Forceful presentation of difficult data or personal belief systems has, for the very large part, never worked. Thus, coming at the general public with complex tales of giant complex alien and dimensional worlds,spaces and places... is only going to, from their eyes, stamp you with a giant 'fail' sticker.

Coming forcefully at people with 'unsubstantiated facts'? Are you refering to my Absolutely response to a very pointed question?


I have a feeling that is not what you want.

I have to be very honest with you Carmody...I am not experiencing any wants or needs in this area of discussion. :no:

[wynderer]

thanks for your well-presented thoughts on the likelihood of the staging of a false alien invasion, HH -- i don't have a TV but talking on the phone to a friend on the night of Christmas day -- he told me that Independence Day' was on the tube -- this at a time when most USAmericans are at home, & many watching TV -- so a big viewing audience -- i don't think it's by chance that that particular movie was selected for airing at that time

it could also be that friendly ETs are coming, & will be presented by TPTB as enemies -- this is what they do in general to whip humans up into a fighting/war frenzy -- it's worked for many many centuries

[jeannacav]

I agree, wynderer,



it could also be that friendly ETs are coming, & will be presented by TPTB as enemies -- this is what they do in general to whip humans up into a fighting/war frenzy -- it's worked for many many centuries

Recently I have watched Alex Collier again.
He is NOT channeling, (unless you think he is a liar) btw.

He has delivered many messages that he generally reads from his notes to be sure of their accuracy.

He told his audience in 1996 that by 2003 all the ET's from other planets and inside ours would be forced (by them) to leave so what we do ourselves can be assessed.

This is a frightening thing if it has happened like this, because it shows how enormous and powerful our fake ET's made by the military have become.

I am not sure I believe that effort was successful and I still see a big mix of many possibilities.
But, if it is true, we must be very wary.
The military ET's know us better than anybody because they ARE us. (we).
They have practiced what it takes to perpetrate a false flag and all the while they have advanced the lies and deceptions.
In fact we have hardly any baseline to calibrate our BS meters.

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I am realizing the bigger reason that so much of my life I have been hoodwinked and conned by all sorts of tricksters at all levels.
I am naive and trusting by nature, choosing to see the good - god in everyone.
This has been a very strong teaching life in this regard.
Right now, my confidence is not too great but my experience is there.
So, I will re-think my confidence.
Maybe I can stop shuttering when people say "Trust your instincts", and, "our intuition will tell us".

Perhaps I will be able to see the lies in time, and not trust the untrustworthy!!

thank you,

jeanna

[Humble Janitor]

thanks for your well-presented thoughts on the likelihood of the staging of a false alien invasion, HH -- i don't have a TV but talking on the phone to a friend on the night of Christmas day -- he told me that Independence Day' was on the tube -- this at a time when most USAmericans are at home, & many watching TV -- so a big viewing audience -- i don't think it's by chance that that particular movie was selected for airing at that time

it could also be that friendly ETs are coming, & will be presented by TPTB as enemies -- this is what they do in general to whip humans up into a fighting/war frenzy -- it's worked for many many centuries

The movie "The Battle of LA" or whatever it's called is similar to "Independence Day" as in it portrays ETs in a negative light. It's basically TPTB telling us what their next move is and that they're looking to pull on the fear strings once again.

[Snowbird]

Jeannacav - # 83

Recently I have watched Alex Collier again.
He is NOT channeling, (unless you think he is a liar) btw.

He has delivered many messages that he generally reads from his notes to be sure of their accuracy.

He told his audience in 1996 that by 2003 all the ET's from other planets and inside ours would be forced (by them) to leave so what we do ourselves can be assessed.

I think that he is/was referring to the negative ETs because there remain millions of benevolent ETs inside the Earth and others inside the oceans and still others in differing dimensions on Earth. Add to these, those lightworkers, etc. who have specifically come here on missions. And those who read this may be among those.

The problem with this assessment, is that the Earth's population has been inundated with the lingering malevolent orchestrations of those in the controlling groups around this globe.

This is where I can't help but envision some type of separation on the part of Mother Earth. I say this because the cleanup of the Earth will be virtually impossible to perform minus some type of delineation that does not allow these troublemakers to ever again step foot into the sandbox. Their heinous games are not our games, sayeth the people who care.

Jean, is this color better?

[Carmody]

I had to erase and then try again three times now. I did not want to seem negative.

The point is in fact that this forum is NOT just for the members to ramble on about every pie eyed wild and woolly inner reality that they might decide to share. Sure, that's part of it. But when posting, the point is that one should leave the speculation at home, unless they say that it is speculation. Flat out speculation, based on speculative writing from someone who was speculating.

If you want to help people, then stick to the points that they can get a grip on and do something with. Leave the wild and woolly stuff for when they can begin to understand how to look at it and to frame it. That stuff is not germane to the OP of the thread, IMO.

Right now, all the stuff with the dimensional aliens, "Orion this, Pleiadians that" spiritual this, spiritual that..all that is doing... is driving the original intent of the thread straight into the ditch.

And YES, you do want to help people and present the info in a way that is simplified, in the form of baby steps and has no fantastical extraneous crap attached to it. The subject is tough enough as it is.

Otherwise, why are you here?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

And perhaps those with a little expertise might, just might, be listened to?

[Carmody]

I really did not want to say what I said. I feel kinda ill from saying it, but it needed to be said.

This is a tough subject at best. The thread is about taking it to the streets as the streets is what it is all about. And people in the street don't understand and will not understand and will not listen to a damn thing about new age belly button mutterings.

True mutterings, or not, they serve no purpose but to turn away the very people that need to be engaged.

i myself engage in the mutterings and the staring of the bellybutton. That is obvious enough. But I have to temper my mutterings so they have some sort of connection to the real world as that is, IMO the entire point of the forum, in many ways. The idea is to help bridge the gap, from my recollection of the subject of the forum's intent.

Edit:
I most especially do not want to alienate anyone. I value all input and I do value the input on the subjects that most would turn from -the wildish speculations and the inner musings. That is the only place left I have to advance in. Gaining real information in those areas is tough, at best, but it's pretty darned far from from being a beginner subject -which the idea of a false flag alien landing would definitely be. Especially to the 99% of the victims of such an act would be. Those average people know and understand nothing of such heady and confusing subjects.

So please forgive me for my outburst, and I hope those who have indulged in such musings in this thread will understand...and stop.

[Snowbird]

Good morning Carmody!

I read your posts last night, but decided to wait until today to respond so that I am rested and have a clear head. I hope that you are feeling better.

The reason that I am here is to learn, to be informed, to participate and to offer new information when possible. I don't consider people who are just waking up as less-than or in need of my input unless and until I am asked for it. When these people are ready to learn, they will come and they will be prepared to read and begin to discern information.

I have to say that I know of no member who rambles on about every pie eyed wild and woolly inner reality that they might decide to share. By new age belly button mutterings, are you referring to the mention of dimensions and timelines and densities? That's new age? Most of those who post on this forum offer differing subjects, many of which stem straight from news articles. I have personally posted quite a number of those.

I think what is at issue here is that what we have all known and accepted in the past is becoming no longer valid. Many of our systems of information are falling away. This means that we now must gather information from sources other than what we are accustom to.

Where off-planet beings and ships are concerned, our information has to be gathered in a totally different way. I know that Spirit Wolf, for example, has much to add to these discussions. I personally wish that he would join in more than he does. I know from what I have read from his posts, that he has so much to offer. Spirit Wolf's expertise is but one very important aspect framing this issue. There are many others.

If people think that highly technologically advanced off-planet beings are not also, for the most part, spiritually advanced, they need to think again. Advanced technology is not the only aspect of these beings. They openly discuss dimensions and timelines and densities and stargates and love and bliss and joy and unity and oneness. These issues are part of their vocabulary.

This is the balance.

But I also think that you have brought up a very good point as far as those people who read these threads and may consider joining in. And where this subject of off-planet civilizations is concerned, this forum might consider opening a board that is specifically designed and maintained for those who are now waking up to what really is. Something like an ET-101 board. This would allow everyone to join in as we all keep the subject simple....but balanced.

[JoshERTW]

Hi All,
...
1. Whether true or not, reports similar to these will increase across the alternative
media (internet, YouTube, etc.). Gradually more and more will be circulated
until finally . . .

2. The "Nightly News" (MSM) makes a mention of it. At first (most likely) these
reports may be made "in-light-of" and/or with sarcasm.

3. In the news, there will be reports of other events, such as missile shut-downs
(we're all used to that by now!), Power Plant Facilities (Nuclear and Water
Dam) problems, etc, etc - All seemingly unrelated to ufo's at the time.
...
Many Blessings To All!

I think we have already seen these first three phases begin, somewhat in unison with one another - the Sept 27 "Disclosure" made mainstream press (it was broadcast live on CNN), Ancient Aliens is well into a second season, and you can constantly find little "tidbits" in the MSM - even that New York so called "weather balloon" UFO was on several major news stations (Fox included... which raises my brow a bit). The speed with which the "explaination" came down and the fact that it was blatantly the same old gov't line (it might have well been a weather balloon) shows me that they are certainly testing the water - I think public reaction (swift and vengeful across the whole internet - lots of testimony from witnesses about the nature of the objects in blogs etc. which contradicted the claims in the media / FAA response) is why they decided to issue an explaination at all rather than just LOL it away as the talk of crazy people.

[gripreaper]

I can state, without going into any more detail that what Harley has posted, this topic has validity and is a possible scenario that may be fast approaching.

Its not about real E.T.s, its concerning the possibility for manufactured, false-flag alien attack in order to galvanize the human race and throw them into passivity and chaos. Then the governments of the world step in and offer to protect us from this "Threat". The threat doesn't have to be real, only appear to be real.

TPTB get to remain in control for the time being, absolute control, something that (because of rapidly advancing technology in the public sector) they are fast losing in this day and time. They simply cannot allow this to happen.

The governments of the world must be the supreme authority for the people. There can be no other power for the people to turn to for help, THEY CERTAINLY must not think they can turn to themselves.

This false flag--carried out successfully--- will cement the power and control structure for a generation.

It behooves us to consider this.

Would it behoove them to shut down our only means of exposing the plot as it is happening by shutting down the internet? You know how things can go "viral" on the internet if enough people tell the truth. Look at how this Charles thing has taken on a life of it's own all over the internet.

[gripreaper]

Say the bad guys show up.Are they going to appear as bad guys and then ask us if we want their help....probably not because everyone will assume that they are bad guys and are a threat to us.There are probably protocols in place that have to be followed.Just a guess.

It's kind of ironic. The "bad guys" decide that they will wait till the planet is trashed and humans have technology to take them out and"THEN" go in and try to take it over? If they wanted to come in here they would have already done it "before" we had any capability of response.

[ThePythonicCow]

I had posted the following "Alien Invasion Movies Coming Out 2011/2012" on my blog and I think it correlates with your post.

I don't know if this is just me or just some newbie clue deprivation, but I cannot read those blog links. When I click on them, I get a rather inscrutable error message page:


Warning: require(./secret/secure/WordPress/wp-blog-header.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/msancio/theavalonfiles.com/blog/index.php on line 17

Fatal error: require() [function.require]: Failed opening required './secret/secure/WordPress/wp-blog-header.php' (include_path='.:/usr/local/lib/php:/usr/local/php5/lib/pear') in /home/msancio/theavalonfiles.com/blog/index.php on line 17

[granny]

Hi all ...

Am new to the board and just finding my way ....

Does anyone remember the demonstration on CNN on election night ... a holographic Jessica Yellin? Pretty bold display, but I have seen no others since that night.

Easily found on Google using "CNN holograph" Sorry I don't know how to include links yet. :)

granny

[StephenW11UK]

Hiram, Agreed, its not about real E.T.s; it is , as HH has stressed, about a false-flag event.

Having not been long a member here, I only learned of this thread this evening, courtesy Kerry. I have since read almost every post contributed. My position now is no different from what it had been for at least several months previously.

[1] positive ET's: even if they did appear, highly unlikely to appear disguised as an attacking hoard

[2] negative ET's: possible, but what could we do anyway, whether or not lots more people had already wakened up?

[3] it's a false-flag attack; in which case, our primary concern before it happens must be, wherever there's the hint of an opening, to squeeze in and try to get people to see what's likely to lie ahead..

[Bright Garlick]

Hey Guys : The issue of False Flag Alien Threat and similar Events is much more complicated than most people realize and speculation about it has the risk of making most people see only 1 form of Powers that Be.
I've written a little on this issue before here : http://otherworldyencounters.wordpress.com/tag/false-alien-disclosure/ and I plan on writing a great deal more on the subject, as I write about the various facets of TPTB.

The other danger is that False Flag Alien Threats where the attacks are focussed on so called aliens (who are not alien) are confused with actual attacks on aliens. :-)

My suggestion would be that people watch the movement of politics in Europe/European Union and North America as early indicators of the optune time, keep an eye on the activity of the sun (prominent CME's heading our way) and keep an ear out for any releases by Clifford Stone.

[bluestflame]

high unemployment , gulf oil spill , people on food stamps , i'd say conditions are ripe now

[Luke]

high unemployment , gulf oil spill , people on food stamps , i'd say conditions are ripe now

Yes and no.
People are not yet desperate enough to not ask questions.

Also mind, this is not US-only affair.

You need global conditions. A global front.

[chelmostef]

"Dis-closer" could in fact be "conditioning"

What better way to catch up on technology.... than a fake war!

[bluestflame]

plan B is they continue with the work done on the 2012 campaign and convince people the world's gunna end and they need to get on ships

¤=[Post Update]=¤

or the "good guys" show up and assist the humans defeat the "bad guys"

then the need for disclosure and introductions and "getting to know " our "new friends"

they've already "proven themselves " only thing is they are part of the same operation

various possible scenarios

[Luke]

"Dis-closer" could in fact be "conditioning"

What better way to catch up on technology.... than a fake war!

Indeed..

After all you can officially "shoot it down" and quickly "back engineer"

[Max01]

They wont disclouse/confirm anything about ET's.

Why ?

Because in that case people will remember and understand that all those deep underground bases .. genetic experiment.. abduction.. torturing .. super soldiers .. mind control stories are real too.


P.S. Bright light and abduction to you all. ( I'm joking of course :p )

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I would just like to give this thread a bump *BUMP*
As i don't believe that the False Flag is off the table as reported 'elsewhere' because of this report, as the report has hardly had a chance to get off the ground. Everyone's attention has been elsewhere and i think we would be doing Harley Hawkins and this report a disservice by letting it slide into all the noise.
Charles himself said HOW IMPORTANT this report is so lets try and give it the attention it deserves :)

Remember details of the event can be changed depending on circumstance but the overall event driven outcome is IMHO very much still on the cards.

Thanks folks
Hurritt

[sdafnom]

Great post Harley.
I am quite sure that this scenario, is one of the few that made it to the top of the list.

Let me venture another one, which relies more on human behavior under stress:

Wars cost money. Even the fake ones.
Never let a crisis (or a catastrophe for that matter) go to waist.

Scenario 1:
Assuming the PTB have inside information that a major cosmic event (ie solar flare) will take place around 2012 + - a couple of years.
They have no means to measure it's intensity, hence the preparation of underground bases etc.
The public is already educated for a possible ET threat.

The event happens (natural or not) infrastructure is going down, electricity, TV, communications (mainly internet) etc.
Most people are addicted to daily information from TV and/or internet. Without it they go to desolation.
The public is left in chaos without access to any information. They don't know what has happened. They can only speculate: Some say it is God, other say Aliens...

Within 6-7 days hunger is added to fear and confusion. Those survived the radiation (in case of natural) now turn against each other.
Partially recovered infrastructure allowing an hour or two of electricity and people now can listen to the official government media (TV/Radio).
Government is announcing that is impossible to intervene and help in any sense due to the unprecedented catastrophe and threat that the earth is facing worldwide, advising people to stay home and survive anyway they can, reassuring them that they do the best they can to repulse the threat (still undisclosed).

Now 15 days later diseases start to kick in, due to the current living conditions (See Haiti). More people die.
Within 3 months, depopulation has taken place and now the PTB decide it is time to intervene.
They announce that the threat was ET, has been dealt temporarily but much more has to be done.
ET's have infected plants and animals with a high contagious virus, some humans too, and the remaining "Clean Ones" have to follow specific protocols in order to survive.

Population reduction and enslavement has been achieved with minimal cost...Two birds with one stone

My point is that if everybody expects the show (ex Alien Attack) you don't have to actually do the show.
Any event will be easily seen as the show (and blamed on).

I believe that we are way past a hollywood show, up in the air to convince people to succumb.
Good old-time misery, death and starvation around the globe will do the trick as well in a much faster time.

Let's hope that they will go ahead with the hollywood version.

As a closing statement, I like to quote something from Bob Marley
(No offense meant to people who believe ET's will intervene to save humanity - I wish to be wrong actually, but...)

Most people think
Great good will come from the skies
Take away everything
And make everybody feel high
But if you know what life is worth
You would look for yours on earth
And now you've seen the light
You stand up for your rights

Funny thing:
Egypt shuts down internet and blocks mobile phones as security forces gear up for biggest anti-government protests yet

http://www.renesys.com/blog/2011/01/egypt-leaves-the-internet.shtml

[vibrations]

The False Flag Alien Threat To Frame The ETs As Enemies


WE ARE NOT BUYING IT!



I think that until now we all know that whatever mentaly-destructive-garbage they (doesen't metter what goverment, what country) invent to scar and then "protect" the population, we will always know that this is all smoke curtain, and at least I will do all to raise my vibs and try to infect with it as many people as possible, because I belive that when a positive side will reach a critical mass, suddenly entire planet will change the opinion.... and they will be just sad history.

So what we do is spread the word, but not in a catastrofic way, let's just try to show how beautyful can be being an Earth citizen.

[Möbius]

In light of the last three Space Shuttle launches and the I.S.S maybe playing a part in this False Flag Event, maybe Astronaut Tim Kopra, who was due to launch on the 24th Feb, "Fell off his bike" on purpose after coming across this information! I also feel that that relationship between Gabrielle Giffords (Congresswoman who was shot), Mark Kelly (Astronaut Husband due to launch also on the 24th Feb), Scott Kelly (Twin Brother of Mark and Commander of the I.S.S) all a bit too spooky in light of this possible false flag. I don't believe in coincidences!

Also all the secret launches recently could be for setting up the props for this event.

[seismorg]

I'm not christian, but came across this a long time ago.
Food for thought, and then again, maybe not.
You can be the judge.
< http://100777.com/node/1207 >

[Harley]

A little about me, borrowed from the What Kind of Poster are YOU?? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11104-What-Kind-of-Poster-are-YOU&p=111493#post111493) thread, which I felt appropriate to include here:


Hi Hiram and all! What a great thread!

I haven't been posting much for about the past month because I've mainly been observing "evolution" take place here on Avalon. ;) But now I thought I'd take this opportunity here to give a very brief explanation of Harley Hawkins' role, if you're interested.

My First Year On Avalon:

Because I was just emerging from the Rabbit Hole, I had many personal questions regarding my experiences. I came to Avalon in search of answers and hoping to find others like me, but I mostly lurked and never posted. By the end of that first year some answers to a few of my personal questions had been revealed to me, which also created more questions. So Role 2 seems the best description:

Role 2: I am a quiet thinker. I don't post much, but when I do it is a carefully worded and well-thought out post. I mostly lurk and believe My own judgment needs constant revision.

My Second Year On Avalon:

By now I desperately needed more, so I began posting a little. In no time at all I then "met" this wonderful person named Hiram, and through our personal discussions "The Lid" began removing itself. A short time thereafter, because my posts were beginning to contain some "potentially sensitive" information, I realized the need to rechristen myself. So Role 5 seems the best description for Harley Hawkins:

Role 5: I am the sage. I have spent along time in the Rabbit Hole. I have made alot of contacts. I am pretty sure I have a good idea [of some of] whats going on. My posts usually just pose questions [or examples]. I start threads on occasion. I'm not above injecting humor when needed. If you don't agree with me, I don't really care [because it really doesn't matter whether or not you believe me NOW]. You'll find out soon enough.

Then something happened. I was "introduced" to a group of people here on Avalon who are much like me. And it has been nothing short of amazing (for me) because through our discussions "The Lid" has been slid back in a dramatic fashion, causing "The stuff to hit the fan", as most of you have recently witnessed. Because of that I do believe Role 7 best describes where I'm at now - To someone(s) anyway!:
Role 7: The Enigma. You know that I know that you know.....but what do I really know???

There are four things more that I'd like to state here:

1. I have never personally met anyone here on Project Avalon.

2. I have never verbally spoken with anyone here on Project Avalon.

3. When I say something, it is only me. I am me, and only just little ole' me.

4. I have never posted to, or been a member of, any forum other than Project Avalon.

Oh...And one more thing:

It was never about me. It's always been about you!

You ALL are amazing! And I really appreciate your support!

Best Wishes To All,

Harley Hawkins

p.s. More to come? ;)
HH

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The first time I heard of a holographic image being projected in the sky, created to deceive and manipulate us, the image was described differently (not ETs). That description really caught my attention as being very effective. A holographic image of a religious figure would appear in the sky to direct people to go in a specific direction. The religious figure would be tailored for the target audience. Directions would given to direct all people to join together and create or submit to a new world order.

So I feel it wise to look for that scenario as well as the ET invasion show. Or maybe be aware of both.

If real UFOs show up, how will we know who is on the "good" team and who is on the "bad" team? If we see a shadow government controlled military shooting at them, they are probably shooting at the "good" guys and gals.

[bluestflame]

what if a projected image of a "messiah" warning people of an immanent "et attack" and directing them to follow "appointed representatives" instructions , ...could be lead anywhere

during the eighties people got used to the idea of bomb shelters with threat of nuclear war ...

[Harley]

Hi rmauersr, and Welcome!


If real UFOs show up, how will we know who is on the "good" team and who is on the "bad" team? If we see a shadow government controlled military shooting at them, they are probably shooting at the "good" guys and gals.
This was one of the reasons for my writing of this article, so that people witnessing these events will be better equipped to discern between a Real Enemy attack and a False Flag attack.

From my article:
I will also attempt to list the possible differences in the sequences of events between a Real Enemy attack and a False Flag attack so that when it occurs you may more easily identify which it is. Although the two scenarios I offered are by no means all-inclusive or all-encompassing, they provide enough information to make one more aware of the differences.

Thanks!

Harley

[grunt225]

Hi Everybody, I just want to put my 2 cents in........... It just does not make sense to fake an Alien attack to me. Good Aliens bad Aliens....... In the end they still are going to control us and they still are going to keep most things that we discuss here secret.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I understand that such a massive FF event would be an easy sell to the public.
What I am wondering is what will they suggest we do about it? I mean, do we start a draft? Do we begin building spaceships of war?
How will they justify the further enslavement of mankind, unless there is actually a war being fought?
Hope this is not off topic...

[grunt225]

I understand that such a massive FF event would be an easy sell to the public.
What I am wondering is what will they suggest we do about it? I mean, do we start a draft? Do we begin building spaceships of war?
How will they justify the further enslavement of mankind, unless there is actually a war being fought?
Hope this is not off topic...



Thats right Ernie, How they gonna fight this war. Im supposed to believe that we beat the crap out of an Alien race thousands of years ahead of us, with technology secretly back engineered from crashed alien space craft. I ain't buying that BS.

[Harley]

Harley Hawkins' False Flag Article - Personal Time-Line Of Events
(as related to the Charles material)
Harley Hawkins
08 FEB 2011

12 DEC 2010:

1. Original date of writing.

2. While preparing to submit my article to a private group I remembered a live interactive conference with Bill was scheduled, and it struck me that if I could get Bill to explain the concept of the False Flag Scenario to the listeners it would be a great way to kick-off my article. So I decided to wait.

14 DEC 2010:

Bill Ryan - Project Avalon - Live Interactive Conference – Spectrum Radio Network:

1. Question submitted:
Will you please explain to the audience what a False Flag Attack is, why would it be used, and possibly give an example.

2. Bill had no prior knowledge of my article at this point in time, and in-fact sounded just a little “caught off guard” by my question, as can be detected in the very beginning of his response.

3. Part 3 starting at 04:30:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teIT-P4SFrQ&feature=related

4. Excellent response, btw! Thank you Bill!

15 DEC 2010:

1. Submitted article to private group.

2. Bill messaged me asking if I'd like to publish it to the open forum. I replied yes.

3. I waited five days because I first wanted to check on my information, do a little more research, and prepare my article for “public presentation”.

18 DEC 2010:

1. Bill met with Charles and conducted their first video interview.

2. At this point in time, Charles had no knowledge of my article. If I had not delayed the publishing of it, it very well may have been mentioned during their interview.

3. At this point in time, and like everyone else, I had no knowledge of the Bill/Charles interview.

20 DEC 2010:

1. Published article to the open forum.

2. Within only a few hours of posting I was quite shocked to receive a message from Charles.

01 JAN 2011:

1. Bill published to the forum The Rulers Of The World: A New Project Avalon Video Interview (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11437-the-rulers-of-the-world-a-new-project-avalon-video-interview)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nLgHnC6BdE

13 JAN 2011:

1. Bill published to the forum Charles' Comments About A False Flag ET Threat Event: Important New Information (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11154-charles-comments-about-a-false-flag-et-threat-event-important-new-information)



HH

[chelmostef]

Thank you Harley, this really was part of the catalyst of what has become dis-closer on Avalon. :)

I wonder if A false flag is still on the table!!

[Harley]

Hi chelmostef,


Thank you Harley, this really was part of the catalyst of what has become dis-closer on Avalon. :)

I wonder if A false flag is still on the table!!

I have not read or heard anything which might lead me to believe that it is off the table.

I have read and heard many many unusual events, increasingly over the past couple of months, which could possibly be indicators that it is still on the table and is in-fact in progress.

When I published my article back in December, my intent was not to be simply posting a cute little "story" for Project Avalon members, but to get it out there to the mainstream public hopefully with the members' help.

Please read this from my article:

The False Flag Alien Threat To Frame The ETs As Enemies
Harley Hawkins
14 DEC 2010

[Please note that I am in no way promoting doom and gloom and fear. Keep in mind that the purpose of these discussions are for us to figure out what the plans are, how the events may unfold, and what we as a group might be able to do to either stop or change those plans. I believe that once there is a general consensus amongst the group, simply publishing our analysis could "Throw a huge wrench" in their plans, possibly forcing them to (at the least) make adjustments. -HH]

[...]By now I would think that it should be rather obvious to most that these plans within their agenda have already started and that they are happening NOW. Since being BEHIND the ball isn't going to do anyone any good, my question is: WHEN DO WE START? And my answer is: WE START NOW!

The False Flag Alien Threat:

I have not said anything about this up until now because I was waiting to see if someone else might. But because I have had a growing concern for some time, which has almost become a sense of urgency within myself, I feel I need to say this now. Whatever I know or think I know does not matter in the least. You may accept or reject any or all of this. That is entirely up to you. But at least the seed will have been planted. Keep in mind that if some or none of this comes to pass there's always the possibility that the seeds of truth that we have planted has exposed enough of their plans to the greater public to cause them to cancel or change their course of action. Ideally, that is our goal.
It's been going on two months now since I published this and obviously it hasn't gone much of anywhere. And it's really too bad, because whether they choose or not to accept this information, at least they would have been aware of it. And then whenever they heard one of these "news oddities" being reported they just might begin to question it, rather than to just let it breeze by. And we all know what public questions and opinions can do.

So IMO, Yes. Nothing has changed.

Predictions? I don't do that. I'll just say when the time is right (event driven).

Advice? Pay closer attention to oddities in the news, things you'd normally not think twice about, READ BETWEEN THE LINES, and try to research deeper. Like I said, possibly related events have been occurring for some time now and recently they have been increasing.

Thanks!

Harley

[bluestflame]

yes Harley, it's the little things that don't seem like much in themselves ....but accumulate

[Harley]

yes Harley, it's the little things that don't seem like much in themselves ....but accumulate
Thanks bluestflame.

Here are some noteworthy posts from "The Charles Material":

From Questions for Charles - ONLY! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11934-Questions-for-Charles-ONLY!)



Harley Hawkins: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11934-Questions-for-Charles-ONLY%21&p=106904&viewfull=1#post106904

Hello Charles,

From my own experience (NOT my opinion) the disabling of nukes and missiles have NOT been caused by ET's.

It is therefore my opinion that the recent Press Club Conferences on missile shutdowns are just another part of the dis-info campaign to further prepare the public for a False Flag Attack.

Can you comment or offer your opinion on the above two statements?

Thanks!

Harley

Atticus: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11934-Questions-for-Charles-ONLY%21&p=107767&viewfull=1#post107767

Correct they had nothing to do with any missiles.
Disinfo,well in my opinion your right......

As I have stated agencies are doing there own thing. Nest building.



Atticus/Charles,

I have a question.

You have said regarding the timeline that you have 'not been authorised' to give up certain information.

Now a dictum of mine is "timing is everything".

What event is your master at present waiting for?

If you can't answer that, what type of event is your master waiting for?


Honestly he plays his cards close.and it works believe me.

If people stop biting,I stop biting.

Thank you

Event timing is everything,not time itself,as we understand it it doesn't exist.



Do you have an idea why the US has called all of its ambassadors back to Washington? It is unprecedented.

Yes I do,but I wish to speak to bill about it first,ok,sorry.



Charles,
How long have we got before things start publicly breaking or the poo starts to hit the fan in a big way?

Thanks :)

It's really already in progress,just high end manoeuvring at the moment.

From Questions and Answers from Bill about the Charles material (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12987-Questions-and-Answers-from-Bill-about-the-Charles-material)



Anima66: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12987-Questions-and-Answers-from-Bill-about-the-Charles-material&p=124194&viewfull=1#post124194

Now that the 33 have disbanded to some extent is the false flag ET scare still on the cards?




Bill Ryan: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12987-Questions-and-Answers-from-Bill-about-the-Charles-material&p=124396&viewfull=1#post124396

I'd love to hear Charles' answer.


Atticus: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12987-Questions-and-Answers-from-Bill-about-the-Charles-material&p=124421&viewfull=1#post124421

I have no information to the contrary.

[Lancelot]

If this scenario or a variation of it really does play out then maybe those ETs who are concerned about the state of our planet will then step in to help us out.

[Gaia]

Remember Ronald Reagan saying, "If Aliens were to threaten our world, we'd all gather together to protect it."

[grunt225]

Please attack and destroy NJ ...Thank you.

[mrkumamon]

Hi,I just want to present some info here .I don't know whether they will be relevant to this thread or not but I hope some will be beneficial for people's understanding of this false flag
1: What's actually behind the Disclosure Conference at the National Press Club, Washington on September 27, is there anyone curious that they spoke publicly about the existence of ET on behalf of government and advocated for the official announcement of ET interference in human military bases ,facilities...were they just rolling out a game for false flag of ET invasion
2:The frequency of UFO sighting is higher and higher day by day .Firmly I believe we're not alone in the universe but there will be serious question :what are these ETs doing here? are they benevolent to us ? I don't think all of us have one hundred percentage of certainty that there's no evolutive competition among different species in the universe and they're not fighting for own species' interest.. That we are one is perfect and ideal thought but also no doubt that there's a rule about self serving and serving others for evolution
3:And recently some Chinese anti Satellites activities and I just read this artilce http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/china/asat.htm
4:If it would be a plot of ET invasion made by gov,then the target as enemy for people would be gov .However,Is there a possiblity that the conflict would be among different species and there's intergalactic
war going on in the universe right now rather than just the surface game of people against gov...I just guess that It's not just a war among human and there will be more and we need to know who is the target and where we can find the true target
If you want to ask me what's my real point here,I will answer you I just want to speak my doubt out

[Etherios]

Halobaby is you want a real target that the truth. We have to stop the NWO from hiding the technologies they have. We need to make them stop killing us slowly and become free again. Once we do that we can think about this possible galactic war ...

[mrkumamon]

people are interested in this thread also will be interested in this one http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11701-Full-Disclosure-%21


as this type of “Diclosure” goes ahead, what will be the likely out roll of events?

First: The appearance of dead animals will increase.
All over the world masses of smaller animals will be found, whose cause of death at first sight seems to be environmentally related. We are currently in this stage. This will draw the huge crowd of environmentalists into the game as witnesses of the alternative media discussion.

Then animal deaths will occur which are undoubtedly can not be related to any poison or pollution, but where the real cause will still remain a mystery... These deaths will occur in more remote areas, where the real cause – intervention by technical means – will not be witnessed.

At the same time the public display of UFO over cities will increase so that the government will make an announcement like “Whatever They are, we decided to react passive and will be friendly towards Them” which will be received with great support by the benign part of the masses. A General “P”. will be placed into the limelight who demands aggressive defensive measures, but his performance is only for the part of the masses whose approach towards aliens is aggressive. The real target are the people who are open for contact with aliens - humans who are believing that there is a friendly universe out there. Many phases of the false flag operation are implemented only to convince these Believers that their approach is wrong..

Then the stakes will be set higher: Dead mammals like cows, sheep and wildlife will be found in masses.

Next step is a display of UFO lights together with the mass deaths.
The alternative media will be used to disseminate the “truth” slowly into the public: That the mass deaths are related with the UFO sightings!
Now the Believers are held in a state of cognitive dissonance, which will be further intensified.
But Government will keep mum on the deaths and will “officially” pursue a friendly stance towards the unknown visitors, which will more and more frequently show up over major population centers.

Then the next phase: In remote areas dead humans will be found! Small communities will get wiped out entirely!
The level of cognitive dissonance is much higher now and the benign Believers themselves will start to get targeted by the alternative media for their approach.
The whole operation is a gigantic psy-ops which uses the fear of the unknown to achieve ist goals.
The modus operandi and the line of events are clearly spelled out in the trailer of “Battle of LA”:



“ There are patterns that can not be explained”
“There are warnings that can not be ignored”
“Nothing can prepare you for what is next”


….and then comes the next level: Mass human deaths together with UFO sightings and – of course - Gov will “suppress the truth”.

Then: Human deaths together with mutilated corpses and UFO sightings - Gov will instigate controlled leaks, which will be picked up and spread widely through the alternative media. Officially the Government will still continue it’s friendly approach towards the unknown visitors.
The media will start to accuse the government of suppressing the “truth”, but Government will keep officially mum, while more heroic “leakers” will enter the scene. The alternative median and now also mainstream media are “leaking” the answer why the government is keeping mum is: “The truth is so horrible that it can not be told. The masses can’t handle the TRUTH”!

Next: The full false flag alien attack.
It will come together with the shooting down of the ISS and some satellites. This card is huge, if played in the right way. Depending on how long it’s played here on Earth, it will be possible to create a huge spin-off from this operation.

By now the masses are already so prepared that also the last Believers are falling into the violent line of the General “P”, who by then has become a powerful political figure.
The perceived betrayal by the aliens will compress even the Believers into the mass of all other humans, which will become an emotionally charged mob which will turn against anything unusual on Earth, as it might be alien.

Thus the vice is slowly closed further:
Basic human rights will be suspended and the people will DEMAND it!

Next Phase:
The whole world will slowly be forced under emergency rules. A Global Defence Alliance (GDA) will be formed by the major countries of the world. Whichever country does not want to fall in line, will face the consequences: Increased alien attacks which will trigger the masses of that country to DEMAND from their government to join the GDA, because only then they will be protected.
The financial markets together with all commodities will be brought under governmental supervision.
The evacuation of elite groups into underground facilities can be easily achieved under these alien siege situations: Just some few attacks on a university or research centres by the smart Aliens, and you can easily justify the relocation of the useful eaters because they are essential for the survival of mankind.
It will not be a hidden operation, but it will be openly announced by TV: They will announce the need of scientists, technicians etc to support the fight. Letters will be sent which will serve as tickets to the restricted areas (with the underground bases). It will look as if they are recruited to save mankind. In televised staged departure ceremonies the useful eaters will get their farewell and the masses will cheer them as being heroes.
In this phase the situation for the global population will still be bearable as the basic infrastructure is still intact and supplies are still forthcoming.
This is needed to prevent a rush of the masses into the restricted areas. Companies engaged into the production and supply of strategic commodities like food, fuel or equipment, will start to hand out special permits to their employees. These permits will allow a limited mobility only for people with tested DNA and a vaccination against the deadly virus the aliens have released.
But for the useless eaters the rule will be: No unauthorised movement, no travel, flight etc without approval.

Unknowingly to many, the regions of the world have already been divided into two kind of areas: The GDA dominated and controlled areas and the so-called “free” zones. The GDA areas will be in less populated regions, which have certain strategic values like fertile land, minerals, etc.
For example Australia, which just got irrigated by HAARP.
All major cities will be “free” zones.

Next Phase:
In the next stage the whole infrastructure will be forced to collapse through the disruption of any essential civil infrastructure, as deemed necessary. Refineries, power stations etc will be rendered inoperable.
The Gulf of Aden star gate will – of course - “open suddenly” and Aaron Mc Cunning will be recruited to close it, because the smart Aliens have learned how to disrupt the lifeline of this civilisation: The oil supply.
A short while after that there will be no more fuel, electricity, water, etc in the free zones, because the Aliens are so damn smart and good at what they are doing…
In GDA areas the triage centres will distribute food only to registered and chipped individuals, who have gotten the “vaccine” against the new virus which has been released by the Aliens.
In the “free” zones everything will collapse and the most powerful weapon will thus be unleashed against man: Hunger.
Any organized combatant group within the free zones represents a future threat to the GDA and will be crushed by Alien drones; no excuse necessary. Afghanistan and Pakistan was just a small test run to study the impacts and General “P” was good at doing it there...
The situation in the free zones will detoriate beyond imagination:
The focus in the free zones will shift from fighting Aliens to fighting Man and surviving it, because Man will become Man-hunter.
In the GDA zones no opposition against the official line will be allowed and one of the most feared punishment will be: To become labelled as “free” and be forcefully exiled into the “free”- zones…
The War on Alien terror can last for decades as deemed fit, until the population numbers have been trimmed into shape. During this fight Alien technology was officially retrieved and that made it possible to push them back. Thus the new technology is introduced.
In the last stage it will be declared that the Aliens have been “pushed back” from Earth, but are still within the solar system.
After the false flag has ended on Earth, two societies will have been firmly established here: The NWO within the GDA areas and a non technical agrarian society of the survivors within the free zones.
Thus most of Earth’s resources can now be used by the NWO for Their next move – the conquest of space, because the Alien “truth” is still out there…



The Alien false flag attack is a very smart move which can establish the NWO in the blink of an eye.
In the initial stage it will be far more violent than 911 and will go far beyond some cosmic fireworks.
This will be the last and most critical attempt to implement the one world fascistic government. It will be the last and most powerful card to establish the NWO, and They know it…

So, what to expect next: The UFO display over London is coming up in this earthly theatre within the next 10 days. quoted from Bashi

[Harley]

people are interested in this thread also will be interested in this one http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11701-Full-Disclosure-%21

Hi! Thanks for that!

;)

Harley

[mrkumamon]

So the NPC on sep 27 last year is probably a prelude for False Flag of ET Threat...and I don't think gov would be the ultimate players in this false flag.There will be shadow behind the gov when the gov are doing the false flag for the public.is there anyone here notice that pleiadians often are mentioned in their official announcement? and the ultimate players won't be human ,I guess..and so the I came to think that it would not be a war among human but among the species for evolution.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I wanted to speak to Harley first before putting this up. This is a paragraph of information i must share. There is a lot more.

the delivery of the falce flag will occour on or within 2 weeks of a mojor social event such as a new years eve. This will happen after 3 major news events, one of which from a very popular fe male american television personality. the reactions of these media events will be monitored for their effectiveness. This will be part of a disclosiure project designed to incite panick. once the perpitratiors are satisfied of the peoples worry the event will be delivered as a sucker punch suprise attack with no prior warning , this is to maximise the fear effect. The exersise will happen during a government cover up or distraction event. they will use 3d manifestations and real military vehicles that appear to be alien like. THEY WILL LOOK IDENTICAL TO THE ONE HARLEY PUT UP> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/aV6PlVfHnaI/0.jpg

[trenairio]

[edit][edit][edit]

[Harley]

Thanks Nanoo Nanoo!

:)

[Harley]

I wanted to speak to Harley first before putting this up. This is a paragraph of information i must share. There is a lot more.

the delivery of the falce flag will occour on or within 2 weeks of a mojor social event such as a new years eve. This will happen after 3 major news events, one of which from a very popular fe male american television personality. the reactions of these media events will be monitored for their effectiveness. This will be part of a disclosiure project designed to incite panick. once the perpitratiors are satisfied of the peoples worry the event will be delivered as a sucker punch suprise attack with no prior warning , this is to maximise the fear effect. The exersise will happen during a government cover up or distraction event. they will use 3d manifestations and real military vehicles that appear to be alien like. THEY WILL LOOK IDENTICAL TO THE ONE HARLEY PUT UP> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/aV6PlVfHnaI/0.jpg

This concurs precisely with what I have (and have not) stated aloud.

And as you can all see, the specific date can not be predicted as it is Event Driven.

For this moment I just want to say soon.

Thank You for this Nanoo!

HH

Harley

[Harley]

Here is the photo Nanoo is referring to:

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/aV6PlVfHnaI/0.jpg

H.

[Harley]

I wanted to speak to Harley first before putting this up. This is a paragraph of information i must share. There is a lot more.

the delivery of the falce flag will occour on or within 2 weeks of a mojor social event such as a new years eve. This will happen after 3 major news events, one of which from a very popular fe male american television personality. the reactions of these media events will be monitored for their effectiveness. This will be part of a disclosiure project designed to incite panick. once the perpitratiors are satisfied of the peoples worry the event will be delivered as a sucker punch suprise attack with no prior warning , this is to maximise the fear effect. The exersise will happen during a government cover up or distraction event. they will use 3d manifestations and real military vehicles that appear to be alien like. THEY WILL LOOK IDENTICAL TO THE ONE HARLEY PUT UP> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/aV6PlVfHnaI/0.jpg

This concurs precisely with what I have (and have not) stated aloud.

And as you can all see, the specific date can not be predicted as it is Event Driven.

For this moment I just want to say soon.

Thank You for this Nanoo!

HH

Harley

For clarity, here is my post from the Clinton convenes mass meeting of U.S. ambassadors (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12953-Clinton-convenes-mass-meeting-of-U.S.-ambassadors) thread:



Anyone know whats going on here?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41349708/ns/politics-white_house/


Something is clearly in the works here, though what that is is anynes guess.


Could this be linked to an upcoming event with significant global and social impact?


First the Ambassador meeting, then the announcement of the New Emergency Broadcast System where the President will be able to flip a switch and talk to everyone, the speculation that China will call in the US debt, ......

Something sure seems to be brewing....


Coming Soon To A World Near You

The False Flag Alien Threat To Frame The ETs As Enemies (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9653-False-Flag-Alien-Threat-To-Frame-The-ETs-As-Enemies)

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/aV6PlVfHnaI/0.jpg


For those of you who may have missed it, please read this excellent narrative introduction to the "Rulers of the World" Interview by Project Avalon Moderator Dale (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?956-Dale), entitled:


“THE RULERS OF THE WORLD”

COMPANION GUIDE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13541-A-Narrative-Introduction-to-the-Rulers-of-the-World-Interview)

Excerpts:

FALSE FLAG THREATS

With extraterrestrial beings portrayed as malevolent, a galvanization and restructuring of the global society will quickly follow - as well as a strong vengeance against the alleged alien attackers.

TIMESCALE

Likely to be first is the false flag event, leading to a galvanization of the global society.

Harley Hawkins

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Harley , where did you find this photo ? is there more ? Does it show the blue energy field ?

[Harley]

Harley , where did you find this photo ? is there more ? Does it show the blue energy field ?

I can't remember where I found this. I will have to see if I can find it again.

No, I didn't see any others like this.

I believe this is an artist's conception. But even at that, the artist would have had to have seen one for their self, or one pretty darn close to it. That was the reason I selected this picture, because it is very close to something I was called out in the middle of the night to work on back in 1979-80 (AF).

P.S. It hovered - SILENTLY

[Chuck]

I wanted to speak to Harley first before putting this up. This is a paragraph of information i must share. There is a lot more.


Thank you Nanoo Nanoo

Care to share more?

Will this coincide with any financial event?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I dont have any information regarding timing it to co incide with a financial event. it is however a stage to bring about one. Timing will be around a social event.

[Dale]

I wanted to speak to Harley first before putting this up. This is a paragraph of information i must share. There is a lot more.

the delivery of the falce flag will occour on or within 2 weeks of a mojor social event such as a new years eve. This will happen after 3 major news events, one of which from a very popular fe male american television personality. the reactions of these media events will be monitored for their effectiveness. This will be part of a disclosiure project designed to incite panick. once the perpitratiors are satisfied of the peoples worry the event will be delivered as a sucker punch suprise attack with no prior warning , this is to maximise the fear effect. The exersise will happen during a government cover up or distraction event. they will use 3d manifestations and real military vehicles that appear to be alien like. THEY WILL LOOK IDENTICAL TO THE ONE HARLEY PUT UP> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/aV6PlVfHnaI/0.jpg

Working under the assumption you have a bit of knowledge concerning a possible, false-flag extraterrestrial event - what do you believe may follow such an event, in terms of both socioeconomic and political reactions?

And a kind welcome to the forum!

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hello Dale

Thank you for the welcome. I have not been given info on this but i can give an opinion.

A World war is now considered old technology. This wont work to bring about their goals. not on the scale they want.
The FF event CAN have an effect of unifying the planet against a " common enemy " all be it fictitious. This unification with the need for safety brought about by being terrified will be a stage to roll out further NWO agendas of which are obvious. In order to change the beliefs of people radically huge events like this sway them right into the box. This has been on the boil for over 12 years i think. The end game is control through fear. Fear is the energy collective that feeds them. Once you know this its pretty easy to reverse engineer.

The important thing to do IMO is to be calm, do not give energy to the situation. But be prepared. we already know what is on the boil, now we need to consolidate solutions. IMO there is less fear when you feel a part of a greater community with infrastructure and direction . There will be more on this shortly.

On a personal note it is important to apply the 20/80 rule. Spend 20% of my time identifying the problem and 80% on fixing it.

I did ramble .. my apologies :) N

[bluestflame]

yes the effectiveness of a news story, can be assessed, by monitoring combinations of keywords used, in the news story and subsequently entered into a search engine, such as google

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Harley , where did you find this photo ? is there more ? Does it show the blue energy field ?

I can't remember where I found this. I will have to see if I can find it again.

No, I didn't see any others like this.

I believe this is an artist's conception. But even at that, the artist would have had to have seen one for their self, or one pretty darn close to it. That was the reason I selected this picture, because it is very close to something I was called out in the middle of the night to work on back in 1979-80 (AF).

P.S. It hovered - SILENTLY

electro magnetic propulsion in omicron config ?

[chelmostef]

What sort of weapons do you think they will use aboard these ships?

I:E Shot out of the vehicle. Or will there be another type of weapon used?

[Gone001]

I wanted to speak to Harley first before putting this up. This is a paragraph of information i must share. There is a lot more.

the delivery of the falce flag will occour on or within 2 weeks of a mojor social event such as a new years eve. This will happen after 3 major news events, one of which from a very popular fe male american television personality. the reactions of these media events will be monitored for their effectiveness. This will be part of a disclosiure project designed to incite panick. once the perpitratiors are satisfied of the peoples worry the event will be delivered as a sucker punch suprise attack with no prior warning , this is to maximise the fear effect. The exersise will happen during a government cover up or distraction event. they will use 3d manifestations and real military vehicles that appear to be alien like. THEY WILL LOOK IDENTICAL TO THE ONE HARLEY PUT UP> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/aV6PlVfHnaI/0.jpg

Hello Everyone,

I had an Idea and sorry if someone else has already had it but I don't have the time to go through every post in this thread haha (the last thing I would want to do is take credit for someone else's Idea so if you've already posted an idea similar feel free to let me know!). I was outside having a smoke and thinking about Nanoo Nanoo's statement and what kind of events could bring this on. I immediately thought of Egypt. Recently as everyone knows they're protesting has caused Mubarek to step down. Now we have Yemen attempting the same thing and I hear other places like Algeria and Syria are trying to follow suit. Of course these are major news stories as one already knows. We also know that potentially one of the desired outcomes for the False Flag would be a one world Government. I feel now that this unrest in the Middle East could be the triggering factor for the false flag giving an excuse for a NWO to stomp out the recent uprising of freedom activists and to put the Middle East and the world in it's place (as seen from their perspective). This is just a theory and hopefully I'm wrong. Take care all and be safe :).

Cheers,

Aldous

[Nanoo Nanoo]

One thing that should have been edited are the inference that these are definite happenings. Its important to understand that nothing is truly definite until its happened.

[str8thinker]

I'd like to remind you all of jeannacav's post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9653&p=85887&viewfull=1#post85887):


The military ET's know us better than anybody because they ARE us. (we).
They have practiced what it takes to perpetrate a false flag and all the while they have advanced the lies and deceptions.
In fact we have hardly any baseline to calibrate our BS meters.

My point is that the only way we can convince others that a FF operation is taking place is to be sure in ourselves that it is, and the only way to do this is to be able to combine our expertise to distinguish genuine ET appearances from bogus military ones - if we can. The military are watching what we post, so our evidence needs to outsmart their presentation, just as careful analysis by whistleblowers has succeeded in raising serious doubt in many people's minds about what really happened on 9/11.

[Moemers]

So...what do we do?

[Harley]

[...] I was outside having a smoke and thinking about Nanoo Nanoo's statement and what kind of events could bring this on. I immediately thought of Egypt. Recently as everyone knows they're protesting has caused Mubarek to step down. Now we have Yemen attempting the same thing and I hear other places like Algeria and Syria are trying to follow suit. Of course these are major news stories as one already knows. We also know that potentially one of the desired outcomes for the False Flag would be a one world Government. I feel now that this unrest in the Middle East could be the triggering factor for the false flag giving an excuse for a NWO to stomp out the recent uprising of freedom activists and to put the Middle East and the world in it's place (as seen from their perspective). This is just a theory and hopefully I'm wrong. [...]

Wow, I can't believe it! Someone really is paying attention to the news!
Thanks Aldous! :)

You may be more correct than you know!

In recent months many have been stating that TPTB, which are the various agencies that reside below Charles' people on the power pyramid, are losing their grip in their quest to be the Top Dog in a One World Government. If that were true then yes, this could account for strife and Sabre Rattling (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sabre+rattling) amongst them.

People of the world have been rising up against their governments for some time, and now the Snowball Effect has begun. So if something isn't done SOON to stop the snowball, they may never be able to realize there goals.

But I have another (possible) theory. What If TPTB PLANNED ALL OF THIS?

They formulated and executed plans that would cause the unrest of the people of the world and their governments, which in-turn has created higher tensions and more wars between nations, almost to the point where there is utter chaos on the planet.

Then What? What a perfect time it would be for this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag44dRO8LEA

There have been similar statements made by public figures dating back to 1955, when General Douglas MacArthur said:
The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets. (http://www.pr9.net/ent/entertainment/4244august.html)

These tactics, used to bring groups of people and even nations under control, are so simple and they have been used for centuries. You simply create mass hardship and strife amongst the population, and then when conditions are ripe you suddenly present a common threat to all. And what might you imagine would be a great way to present a common threat to the entire planet?

Think about it. Plan for it. Hey if I'm wrong and nothing happens then at least you'll be all the more wiser, and well stocked for those "Rainy Days" which are already here for some.

Take Care!

Harley

[bitworm]

Perhaps a couple items that could be used to gauge public response?

-Temple Mount/Dome of the Rock videos
-Carefully crafted hints of a binary solar system (front page on CNN.com):


Evidence is mounting that either a brown dwarf star or a gas giant planet is lurking at the outermost reaches of our solar system, far beyond Pluto. The theoretical object, dubbed Tyche, is estimated to be four times the size of Jupiter and 15,000 times farther from the sun than Earth, according to a story in the British paper The Independent.

Astrophysicists John Matese and Daniel Whitmire from the University of Louisiana at Lafayette think data from NASA's infrared space telescope WISE will confirm Tyche's existence and location within two years.

The presence of such a massive object in the solar system's far-flung Oort Cloud could explain a barrage of comets from an unexpected direction, according to a December article at Space.com.

Its 27 million-year orbit could also explain a pattern of mass extinctions on Earth, scientists say.

Brown dwarfs are cold "failed" stars; their dimness and lack of heat radiation can make them hard to detect. Gas giants are huge planets – like Saturn, Jupiter and Neptune – that are made up of gases and may lack a solid surface like Earth's.

Whitmire told The Independent that Tyche will probably be composed of hydrogen and helium and have colorful spots, bands and clouds like Jupiter.

"You'd also expect it to have moons," he said. "All the outer planets have them."

Tyche was first hypothesized in 1984 as Nemesis, a dark companion star to the sun. It's been the subject of astronomical research and debate ever since. In July, another Space.com article said the celestial evidence suggests Tyche could not possibly exist.

To distinguish it from the Nemesis star theory, Matese and Whitmire are calling their object Tyche, after the good sister of the goddess Nemesis in Greek mythology.

Their research is published in Icarus, the International Journal of Solar System Studies.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I think that the system we are UNDER is binary. It is not necessarily the same system they use out there, in other places of space. In order to see what is in the skies you have to de cloak the binary system of which we are under.

[Franny]

I think that the system we are UNDER is binary. It is not necessarily the same system they use out there, in other places of space. In order to see what is in the skies you have to de cloak the binary system of which we are under.

Interesting. Never thought of it as a binary system; you may be on to something. We do tend to think of life and systems in binary terms, even computers run under a binary system.

Occasionally people photograph a landscape or other casual scene only to find an anomaly such as a UFO of some sort, sometimes quite clear, when they see the picture.

And, saw this clip this morning: ="http://www.coolestone.com/media/1704/Unbelievable-Waste-Of-Taxpayers-Money/"

Itʻs meant to be a joke but it may be something more than that.

BTW, Kissinger said last week or so that Egypt was only the beginning for the middle east, that other countries would be rising up too -- which we have heard well before this. Weʻve been notified.

[Luke]

Now think of something .. "vile vortices" .. and why military is crazy about them.

"Hollow earth theories", as dumb as they are, might be flatlander-glimpses of real thing..

If the earth is at least twice the area we see - what has been grown in the parts we have been led to ignore....


Just a thought :)

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/8/8a/Imperialmarch.jpg

[Jean-Luc]

In case this is not known to you yet, this is a good one.

Nothing like a bit of ridicule to help deflate the cake


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9hl__A1BOA&feature=player_embedded

[Nanoo Nanoo]

3d projection ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTsTcV8e3UI

[Möbius]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecpVVqJZujE&feature=player_embedded#at=48Hello All,

Have any of you seen this footage of the ISS on YouTube?

Mobius

[Neal]

First off, thank you HH for your information and posts regarding this interesting topic. I am a firm believer that this type of false flag event is *entirely* feasible and can happen with tools TPTB have in their hands today.

Thinking about Hollywood and their involvement in the propaganda and conditioning to believe that all ET are malevolent, I tried to think of movies I have seen that involved benevolent ET. I could only think of three off the top of my head: The Day the Earth Stood Still (original), E.T., and most recently, Avatar. Can anybody think of any others?

I'm positive this list of benevolent ET movies will pale in comparison to the deluge of anti-ET propaganda crud we're fed...

The idea of a false flag ET event made me think of the hidden agenda in the comic book series, Watchmen. I found it quite interesting that the ending was grossly changed for the movie made several years ago, but I couldn't figure out the reason at the time. Personally, I loved the comic book and thought the story was perfect, so my confusion is understandable.

After thinking about this change, I realized the ending had to be removed since it outlined essentially the same presumed False Flag ET event revealed here (among other places) and confirmed by Charles. If the general public who saw the movie that contained the original ending, I'm positive that more people will question the ET event when (and if) it happens.

Changing the ending to Watchmen = keeping the masses ignorant.

**SPOILERS**
Comic Ending: There was an artificially-created psychic alien squid-like being that was teleported into downtown Manhattan, that when it died from the teleportation process, released massive negative psychic energy killing many, many people in the area. This false flag event led the world to essentially lay down their weapons and focus on this emerging outer-world threat under what, if I remember correctly, would become a NWO of sorts.

Film Ending: Dr. Manhattan was tricked into helping build Free Energy reactors based on his own existance, however, these reactors are blown up after being built in major cities. Since they leave the same energy signature as Dr. Manhattan, he is ostracized and leaves the planet. This causes a world-wide peace against the perceived "God"-figure of Dr. Manhattan.
**END OF SPOILERS**

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hello Friends

I wanted to further some information i started earlier at the prompting of some friends. What i wanted to suggest is perhaps having section in the forum that allows us to congregate in local communities. The forum would be so people can be aware of like minded souls in their immediate geographical local.

If and when something happens like a WW or a FF attack if we are on our own with no social infrastructure we may fail to have a positive outcome. What i think we should do is have small groups of say 20 people that are like minded and that get along. Perhaps in areas where they can actually meet and discuss current events. It would be important to work out what the individuals skill sets are and what they bring to the table.

What i see as a huge problem is peoples propensity to Panic in severe circumstances, and in turn make terrible decisions based on fear. If we have a friend group with an organised game plan then we have less fear because we are prepared.

Things to discuss would be along he lines of.
Skill Sets, what is your strength ? are you a doctor , nurse , mechanic , farmer , scientist , Organiser, Cook , leadership skills ? How can you help.
Food and water supply ? Where to get it in emergency, safe storage places with food stores.
Shelter for emergency , where to go, where to meet , safety in numbers. A safe retreat , what to look for, if 20 people are with their finger on the pulse there is a wider net for early detection.
How to act in emergency , where to look , what to detect , how to retreat from potential danger.
Somewhere for emotional support, to strengthen our dicipline, For fun meetings and laughter, not to only concentrate on doom and gloom.

It would be important to not bring ego to this group. Self promoters should not try to spoil the venture. This can be avoided by realising that it is no longer about YOU, it is now about us :)

Look at what is going on out there ... identify it very well , the things we do not want, then do not bring these things to the group. Instead have a very clear objective ratified by a well written manifest.

We need to consolidate our energies and knowledge. If this is successful then we can link groups in the future. Small groups are easily manageable. If they are all of the same education and intent then integration is easier.

This way communities can exist and be successful.

If you like this idea please let me know your thoughts.

big hugs to yo my friends :)

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

News just in : Possible ET appearence during Earth Hour. This may be the event they choose to introduce their first appearence.

[Chuck]

NN ... had to google 'earth hour'. this is what I got:


Earth Hour 2011 will take place on March 26, 2011 from 8:30p.m. to 9:30p.m., at participants' respective local time.

Is this your understanding?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

correct , thats the one im refering to.

[str8thinker]

Are the ETs planning to emerge from the New Madrid fault line as it cracks open during Earth Hour? The timing seems very appropriate and strange odors have been emanating from the ground at these locations. Just imagine, millions of years of uncollected ET sewage rotting away in these underground caverns making its way to the surface. That would be enough reason to fight them.

[Chuck]

Sorry str8thinker, I'm not following.

[Gone001]

Hello Friends

I wanted to further some information i started earlier at the prompting of some friends. What i wanted to suggest is perhaps having section in the forum that allows us to congregate in local communities. The forum would be so people can be aware of like minded souls in their immediate geographical local.

If and when something happens like a WW or a FF attack if we are on our own with no social infrastructure we may fail to have a positive outcome. What i think we should do is have small groups of say 20 people that are like minded and that get along. Perhaps in areas where they can actually meet and discuss current events. It would be important to work out what the individuals skill sets are and what they bring to the table.

What i see as a huge problem is peoples propensity to Panic in severe circumstances, and in turn make terrible decisions based on fear. If we have a friend group with an organised game plan then we have less fear because we are prepared.

Things to discuss would be along he lines of.
Skill Sets, what is your strength ? are you a doctor , nurse , mechanic , farmer , scientist , Organiser, Cook , leadership skills ? How can you help.
Food and water supply ? Where to get it in emergency, safe storage places with food stores.
Shelter for emergency , where to go, where to meet , safety in numbers. A safe retreat , what to look for, if 20 people are with their finger on the pulse there is a wider net for early detection.
How to act in emergency , where to look , what to detect , how to retreat from potential danger.
Somewhere for emotional support, to strengthen our dicipline, For fun meetings and laughter, not to only concentrate on doom and gloom.

It would be important to not bring ego to this group. Self promoters should not try to spoil the venture. This can be avoided by realising that it is no longer about YOU, it is now about us :)

Look at what is going on out there ... identify it very well , the things we do not want, then do not bring these things to the group. Instead have a very clear objective ratified by a well written manifest.

We need to consolidate our energies and knowledge. If this is successful then we can link groups in the future. Small groups are easily manageable. If they are all of the same education and intent then integration is easier.

This way communities can exist and be successful.

If you like this idea please let me know your thoughts.

big hugs to yo my friends :)

N

I absolutely agree. I'm in Calgary right now but am heading back to my hometown of Orangeville, Ontario in 2 weeks. If anyone from around that area ever wants to get together send me a PM!

Cheers,

Aldous

[str8thinker]

@Chuck:


Are the ETs planning to emerge from the New Madrid fault line as it cracks open during Earth Hour? The timing seems very appropriate and strange odors have been emanating from the ground at these locations. Just imagine, millions of years of uncollected ET sewage rotting away in these underground caverns making its way to the surface. That would be enough reason to fight them.

That was my attempt to link several implausibly connected factoids in an attempt to inject some humor into this thread...

@Nanoo Nanoo:

I wanted to further some information i started earlier at the prompting of some friends. What i wanted to suggest is perhaps having section in the forum that allows us to congregate in local communities. The forum would be so people can be aware of like minded souls in their immediate geographical local.

Isn't that what the Project Avalon Ground Crews are for? Or am I mistaken?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hello Straight thinker , Can you show us a link for the Avalon Ground Crews ? Thank you N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hello Friends News just in . Do you get a feeling of burning in your chest or head and shoulders when on certain forums or certain clips on you tube ? This is caused by a low level frequency sent through and over to you via the screen and audio monitors. These frequencies are attuned to your chakra bases. they can make you feel anything from disoriented to nausious , drained , confused.

What you can do is limit the time you spend on the screen, indeed if you walk away from your terminal and go have a cup of tea or water you will feel relief. You will notice it stronger on some clips on you tube than others, some none at all.

Hope this is helpful .

[skunk]

Hi guys! First post here.

From this quote:



False-Flag Enemy:

WAR

1. Take out SOME of earth's satellites (Only Non-Essential). TV will remain intact to afford the highest visibility to the public.

2. Along with the re-entering satellites will come the take-down of the I.S.S. This will be your Major International Event because it will be watched by everyone, on TV. (Maximum Effect).

3. ICBM's in the U.S., and possibly even in the U.K., Russia, or other areas of the world, will be attacked and disabled. Although ICBM's are not defensive systems and cannot be used as interceptors, this will prove to have a great additional effect because the public has already been “conditioned” to possible UFO/ICBM shutdowns.

4. Air battles and missile launches will be witnessed by everyone, but it will all be skewed to depict the earth as “Holding It's Own”. We will see wins here and losses there, but they will want the population to believe that we have a chance at defeating the enemy BECAUSE they want this to be a long-term, long-standing war.

5. Over the years, most freedoms and many lives will be lost. ALL FOR A LIE!

There is one more possibility that I'd like to mention. Has anyone gave much real thought as to why the last Space Shuttle mission marking the end of the Space Shuttle Program has been delayed so many times and for so long? Sure, I know there are sometimes delays. But for six months or more? Also does everyone know who canceled the Space Shuttle Program? No it was NOT Obama. It was Bush! The Shuttle System was conceived exclusively for the building and servicing of the I.S.S., so basically what this means is the end of the shuttles marks the completion and any major servicing of the station. In other words It Is In-Place. Also, wouldn't that be a tremendous “effect” for everyone to see the final shuttle “Shot Down” while on landing approach, say over L.A.?


Looks like NASA is ready to launch the Space Shuttle Discovery one last time:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/115569/20110223/nasa-discovery-shuttle-last-launch-discovery-mission-space-station-robonaut2.htm

[bluestflame]

if it's a numbers game , how many launches would this next one make it ?

[Chrononaut]

FEMA on New Madrid EARTHQUAKE and amp UFO Preparedness 2011 Undeniable Undebunkable - WakeTF Up

USGS and FEMA came here to St. Louis Missouri recently(my current location)... to prepare businesses for a "potential" threat of a super massive earthquake greater than or equal to the "big one" on the west coast of the USA.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCO9fNkn1_E

Namaste,

Chrononaut.

[Gone001]

Hello Friends News just in . Do you get a feeling of burning in your chest or head and shoulders when on certain forums or certain clips on you tube ? This is caused by a low level frequency sent through and over to you via the screen and audio monitors. These frequencies are attuned to your chakra bases. they can make you feel anything from disoriented to nausious , drained , confused.

What you can do is limit the time you spend on the screen, indeed if you walk away from your terminal and go have a cup of tea or water you will feel relief. You will notice it stronger on some clips on you tube than others, some none at all.

Hope this is helpful .

Could you offer a link to an example of a vid clip or something? Would be very curious to see that, I often get drained.

Cheers,

Aldous

[Neal]

So who thinks this type of FF ET threat will happen now that the last shuttle mission launched yesterday?

[Harley]

if it's a numbers game , how many launches would this next one make it ?

39 (For Discovery)
(http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10708867)



So who thinks this type of FF ET threat will happen now that the last shuttle mission launched yesterday?

This is the last mission for the Space Shuttle Discovery, but it's not the final mission of the Space Shuttle Program. There are still two more missions scheduled for the Shuttle Transportation System.

From: NASA - Consolidated Launch Manifest (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/structure/iss_manifest.html)

April 19, 2011 Endeavour
STS-134

June 28, 2011 Atlantis
STS-135

Note the Final Space Shuttle Mission Date (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9653-False-Flag-Alien-Threat-To-Frame-The-ETs-As-Enemies&p=138475&viewfull=1#post138475) and the Space Shuttle Name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis).

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hello Friends News just in . Do you get a feeling of burning in your chest or head and shoulders when on certain forums or certain clips on you tube ? This is caused by a low level frequency sent through and over to you via the screen and audio monitors. These frequencies are attuned to your chakra bases. they can make you feel anything from disoriented to nausious , drained , confused.

What you can do is limit the time you spend on the screen, indeed if you walk away from your terminal and go have a cup of tea or water you will feel relief. You will notice it stronger on some clips on you tube than others, some none at all.

Hope this is helpful .

Could you offer a link to an example of a vid clip or something? Would be very curious to see that, I often get drained.

Cheers,

Aldous

I have found with alternative media sites and videos mainly EG Alex Jones , Lindsay Williams,Canada street press, RT News. Things of that nature. mind you im very sensitive to these energies. they hit your Heart and Crown charcra. You can try making vibrational noises with your mouth, try humming vowels and varying the pitch, this can disrupt its effects.

N

¤=[Post Update]=¤

News Just In Suggestions only , not definites.

The night of the red skies

Jets will fly right to left, ground vehicles with bright lights.

They will dispense chemicals in the air and fire randomly upon.

The rain ionised will bring virus to the ground, be careful around times of rain, cover the inhalation.

Be in support groups and have early detection and retreat plan. DO NOT ENGAGE. Retreat and hide. Weapons are not recommended.

Do not take the vaccine after it, it has no benefit.

Fear is a control mechanism , be prepared and do not fear.

An Earth Alliance will be present for observation.

End.

[bluestflame]

maybe it'll start with an attack on the shuttle

[trenairio]

I have a hunch that this false flag will never happen. This is just too far out there.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I heard confirmation on Alex Jones by a man ex pat US in Egypt confirming that most people there realise the revault was enticed by TPTB

[Gone001]

I have a hunch that this false flag will never happen. This is just too far out there.

Statements like that signify exactly why mainstream science is no longer applicable (if indeed it ever was). In other words dismissing something just because it doesn't seem likely is not in the spirit of a true researcher/scientist. One must have more evidence to back up his disbelief other than "This is just too far out there". Why, any thinking outside the mainstream ideology is considered by most "Too far out there", but alas most of us here have come to accept that way of thinking as real life :)

[Nanoo Nanoo]

The quickening and increase in disclosiure is a sign that something is on the boil. the question is , Whats in the pot ?

[Gone001]

The quickening and increase in disclosiure is a sign that something is on the boil. the question is , Whats in the pot ?

Not to mention FEMA's mad stockpiling..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15126-FEMA-RFT-for-420-million-meals-stock-piling

[granny]

Harley Hawkins' False Flag Article - Personal Time-Line Of Events
(as related to the Charles material)
Harley Hawkins
08 FEB 2011

12 DEC 2010:

1. Original date of writing.

2. While preparing to submit my article to a private group I remembered a live interactive conference with Bill was scheduled, and it struck me that if I could get Bill to explain the concept of the False Flag Scenario to the listeners it would be a great way to kick-off my article. So I decided to wait.

14 DEC 2010:

Bill Ryan - Project Avalon - Live Interactive Conference – Spectrum Radio Network:

1. Question submitted:
Will you please explain to the audience what a False Flag Attack is, why would it be used, and possibly give an example.

2. Bill had no prior knowledge of my article at this point in time, and in-fact sounded just a little “caught off guard” by my question, as can be detected in the very beginning of his response.

3. Part 3 starting at 04:30:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teIT-P4SFrQ&feature=related

4. Excellent response, btw! Thank you Bill!

15 DEC 2010:

1. Submitted article to private group.

2. Bill messaged me asking if I'd like to publish it to the open forum. I replied yes.

3. I waited five days because I first wanted to check on my information, do a little more research, and prepare my article for “public presentation”.

18 DEC 2010:

1. Bill met with Charles and conducted their first video interview.

2. At this point in time, Charles had no knowledge of my article. If I had not delayed the publishing of it, it very well may have been mentioned during their interview.

3. At this point in time, and like everyone else, I had no knowledge of the Bill/Charles interview.

20 DEC 2010:

1. Published article to the open forum.

2. Within only a few hours of posting I was quite shocked to receive a message from Charles.

01 JAN 2011:

1. Bill published to the forum The Rulers Of The World: A New Project Avalon Video Interview (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11437-the-rulers-of-the-world-a-new-project-avalon-video-interview)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nLgHnC6BdE

13 JAN 2011:

1. Bill published to the forum Charles' Comments About A False Flag ET Threat Event: Important New Information (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11154-charles-comments-about-a-false-flag-et-threat-event-important-new-information)



HH
Ok people ... please see the link above and the comments made by Charles to Harley's post.

This does not seem to be written by Charles ... could have been dictated? The style is completely different from Charles' posts ... including spelling and punctuation.

Just wondering ...

[Dale]

I have a hunch that this false flag will never happen. This is just too far out there.

It is certainly outrageous, but much the same can be said of the situation in which we've all found ourselves in.

I became enlightened to the concept of extraterrestrials when I was near the age of seven or eight. Playing the part of a clever child, I decided to ask my grandfather about flying saucers, figuring all adults talk of such things. I was a bit surprised when he took me to his desk; gave me several, large, black and white prints of disk-shaped craft to hold; and proceeded to describe how certain "families" have gotten hold of these disks via warfare, rebuilt them, and plan to take these craft into space.

We had a few more of such conversations as the years went by, and referred to them as "talking philosophy." One must realize, that before these men can shoot into the stars with these craft, the populace below must be accepting and encouraging of such a feat. This can only happen if a certain catalyst occurs, supplying the needed reaction from the masses to gladly support such a daring, cosmic solution.

Not only does the false flag, extraterrestrial event have the momentum of several decades, but it also carries with it the unification of an entire planet's population under the false premise of defeating an imagined enemy - boldly taking us to the stars in the process. One can only ponder what the reaction of the world would be in the event triangular craft filled the skies in a wave of malevolency. I don't believe the majority of people would question the spectacle, but instead, surrender all rights to remove these creatures from our skies, and seek a revenge against the hostile visitors. Problem solved, on many levels, yes?

Yes, the notion of a false flag event involving imagined enemies of extraterrestrial origin is highly "far out," but considering the situation, one I've been grappling with since early childhood, it may be entirely around the corner.

Now, I highly disagree with such trickery. I feel that as a civilization, we should not venture into deep space until we've matured enough to realize that in starting such a cosmic crusade, we're only injuring ourselves. Sadly, there is much momentum behind the future usage of these stolen toys. We may end up having to learn the difficult way.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

You would have to assume that Charles operates in different modes. Most times he is very short and to the point. I dont think he reads over the short answers but when he delivers a longer response you can see he has read over it and used punctuation, or is at least being guided or prepared through this process by someone behind him. I personally believe that his involvement is to further develop his integration skill set amongst other things.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

The quickening and increase in disclosiure is a sign that something is on the boil. the question is , Whats in the pot ?

Not to mention FEMA's mad stockpiling..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15126-FEMA-RFT-for-420-million-meals-stock-piling


It is important to understand how TPTB work. they exist on hedging meaning they are prepared for the positive and negative of each outcome and have bets on both sides. They also change the typography of the game by manipulating factors to corral an outcome to their needs. In an emergency situation these rations could be sold at a premium. The only real way to avoid this control is to not play the game. Get uut of the loop and be indipendant or at least be part of a group that can survive with its own wits.

[Gardener]

Now, I highly disagree with such trickery. I feel that as a civilization, we should not venture into deep space until we've matured enough to realize that in starting such a cosmic crusade, we're only injuring ourselves. Sadly, there is much momentum behind the future usage of these stolen toys. We may end up having to learn the difficult way.

Same page as you Dale I think, and if they do try to 'fake' it now with everything thats out there it is almost certain to fail. (I did say almost because I simply don't know) What I don't think they are seriously considering is a possible earlier intervention which could be either natural, earth/quantum or extra terestrial/dimensional. They (whoeverTPTB) are blinded by their own hubris and megalomania. It is their achilles heel.
We look at some of the videos out there and does it bother us? Do we yet feel we 'need protecting' from ET? I seriously feel that everything is still on the table, they firstly need an element of surprise, if we (the community, all over the world) continue pre-empting their attempt at creativity of which they have little, (another achilles heel) then they are consistantly on the back foot. Hence their rush/panic to scare.

ok rant over, everything I say may be complete rubish:peep:

There is a lot of work to do on the collective psyche before we are fit to venture forth into the frontiers.

[granny]

Posted by Dale:
"Yes, the notion of a false flag event involving imagined enemies of extraterrestrial origin is highly "far out," but considering the situation, one I've been grappling with since early childhood, it may be entirely around the corner."

Soooo ... in the year 2000 what would we have thought about the possibility of the take down of the Twin Towers?

[Dale]

Concerning the possibility of such an event, which I feel is quite likely still around the corner, it is highly interesting to note how the mass media portrays extraterrestrials through varying means.

Take, for example, films. Following the release of "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" in the late seventies, the depiction of extraterrestrials in films started to become more "human-like" in emotional and sociocultural ways. The visitors portrayed quite often expressed jealousy over love affairs, a knowledge of college humor, quick aggression, melodramatic takes on emotional matters, and other defining traits and peculiarities of modern humans. In other words, extraterrestrials have slowly been introduced as more-so "human-like" in recent years, via major motion pictures.

In the event we are faced with an unknown counterpart from the far reaches of the cosmos - whether real or false flag - we will likely do two things. First, we will take what we know of our own human psyche and project that onto the visitors. Secondly, we will search for cues we've collected over the years with regard to extraterrestrials; both from the media and what we've gleaned from the "grapevine," so to speak. Since both options will lead to a general projecting of "human-like" traits onto the extraterrestrials, it would be no surprise that many will preemptively hold a view that the visitors in the skies are doing what any human would do when encountering a new area - scoping it out for their own purposes.

The final nail in the old, pine coffin comes in here. If the mass media then reports the presence of malevolency in these visitors, the minds and hearts of the many masses would all be in agreement as to their intentions. A shot need not be fired from the "visitors," in the case of a false flag event, though such an action would only strengthen the preexisting mindsets. Human irrationality and the tweaking of our paradigms would likely already be enough to give many a sense of hostility toward anything in the skies above.

With regard to extraterrestrials, however, it is fruitless to project human traits onto them. It is much similar to a goldfish projecting it's psyche onto the blurry figure outside of the glass who occasionally passes through the room. Such an event is impossible, quite obviously. The extraterrestrials are eons more advanced than we, and likely transcend the limits of modern physics - including time. If I travelled four hundred years into the past to display my iPhone to a peasant; would I be considered a god? A warlock? A devil?

[Harley]

1. Bill published to the forum Charles' Comments About A False Flag ET Threat Event: Important New Information (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11154-charles-comments-about-a-false-flag-et-threat-event-important-new-information)

HH
Ok people ... please see the link above and the comments made by Charles to Harley's post.

This does not seem to be written by Charles ... could have been dictated? The style is completely different from Charles' posts ... including spelling and punctuation.

Just wondering ...

Oh Boy! More Nit-Picking On Charles! :)

While I have to wonder what the motive is for posting comments such as this here in the False Flag thread, I certainly do not mind explaining to anyone who does not understand Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) in publishing.

Here are some basic facts:


This post, submitted by Bill, is comprised of a copy of a personal email which I received from Charles.


I immediately forwarded this email in it's entirety to Bill and he replied almost immediately asking my permission to post, to which I replied with my permission on the condition that he also receive Charles' approval.


Bill edited this personal email for spelling, grammar, punctuation, and sensitive information (such as personally identifiable information, etc), and bolded Charles' comments so they would stand-out for the reader.


This editing is per SOP whenever publishing personal/private material. However the context of the material is not altered.


Here are a couple of personal facts:


This email was the first personal comm that I had ever had with Charles. Of course there was more to this comm than what was published, but that was for me and me alone. This is why it's referred to as Personal E-Mail.


Because of what else was said and the way that it was said in this personal comm, I KNOW that this was indeed from Charles - The Person - and not from nor dictated to anyone else.


Since this was my personal email it only matters to me as to what I think, and it matters NOT what anyone else thinks. I really could care less!


Sorry if I'm being blunt. But you know honesty is usually like that, isn't it?

Have A Nice Day! :)

Harley

[Harley]

I have a hunch that this false flag will never happen. This is just too far out there.
Seems like this question should have also been asked of trenairio.

Soooo ... in the year 2000 what would we have thought about the possibility of the take down of the Twin Towers?

Sorry! Couldn't resist! :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

so no coincidences you chose 2000, one year before 9/11

lucky nothing else is going on in 2012 then huh... ;)

[Gone001]

Hello Friends News just in . Do you get a feeling of burning in your chest or head and shoulders when on certain forums or certain clips on you tube ? This is caused by a low level frequency sent through and over to you via the screen and audio monitors. These frequencies are attuned to your chakra bases. they can make you feel anything from disoriented to nausious , drained , confused.

What you can do is limit the time you spend on the screen, indeed if you walk away from your terminal and go have a cup of tea or water you will feel relief. You will notice it stronger on some clips on you tube than others, some none at all.

Hope this is helpful .

Could you offer a link to an example of a vid clip or something? Would be very curious to see that, I often get drained.

Cheers,

Aldous

I have found with alternative media sites and videos mainly EG Alex Jones , Lindsay Williams,Canada street press, RT News. Things of that nature. mind you im very sensitive to these energies. they hit your Heart and Crown charcra. You can try making vibrational noises with your mouth, try humming vowels and varying the pitch, this can disrupt its effects.

N

¤=[Post Update]=¤

News Just In Suggestions only , not definites.

The night of the red skies

Jets will fly right to left, ground vehicles with bright lights.

They will dispense chemicals in the air and fire randomly upon.

The rain ionised will bring virus to the ground, be careful around times of rain, cover the inhalation.

Be in support groups and have early detection and retreat plan. DO NOT ENGAGE. Retreat and hide. Weapons are not recommended.

Do not take the vaccine after it, it has no benefit.

Fear is a control mechanism , be prepared and do not fear.

An Earth Alliance will be present for observation.

End.

To Harley and Nanoo Nanoo:

What is your take on all these UFO vids surfacing that seem to be dumping glistening flare like objects? Is this the rain your talking about? If not , any Ideas what it may be? In turn, would these be us or them? Eg:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVWJuk64S4k&feature=player_embedded#at=24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVWJuk64S4k&feature=player_embedded#at=24


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDDn1L_3sRk&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDDn1L_3sRk&feature=player_embedded

Go to 1:12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zvUel_ZDRdY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zvUel_ZDRdY

Go to 0:49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb1EGsiRCMY&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb1EGsiRCMY&feature=player_embedded

Cheers,

Aldous

[Harley]

To Harley and Nanoo Nanoo:

What is your take on all these UFO vids surfacing that seem to be dumping glistening flare like objects? Is this the rain your talking about? If not , any Ideas what it may be? In turn, would these be us or them?

Cheers,

Aldous

I don't know what to make of it.

But I do know that, although it's an anomaly that hasn't been often reported or captured until recently, it's nothing new!

See this post that I just made HERE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15075-Police-film-ufo&p=159143&viewfull=1#post159143).

Harley

[Nanoo Nanoo]

As Harley stated UFO sightings are nothing new. What they are doing is anybodies guess. You have to take into account that there are more people on the look out and more people reporting what they see. IMO if an object of such technology is seen its because it wants to be. What does that tell you ?

Re Rain Falling : Its a common tool for years to spread viruses that they are sprayed into the atmosphere and when it rains it brings the virus to the ground. Thats the delivery mechanism. So when it rains cover up your inhalation is what that pertains to.

As far as the video footage to me it looks like its dumping waste prior to going into orbit or changing propulsion configuration.

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hello Friends News just in . Do you get a feeling of burning in your chest or head and shoulders when on certain forums or certain clips on you tube ? This is caused by a low level frequency sent through and over to you via the screen and audio monitors. These frequencies are attuned to your chakra bases. they can make you feel anything from disoriented to nausious , drained , confused.

What you can do is limit the time you spend on the screen, indeed if you walk away from your terminal and go have a cup of tea or water you will feel relief. You will notice it stronger on some clips on you tube than others, some none at all.

Hope this is helpful .

Hello friends i have found a video to substantiate my claim. Info starts at 11:30


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkTp8TTWwrU

[kinerkid]

In this video Richard Boylan posits that the ufo sighting at the Dome of the Rock is a man-created ploy to plant the seeds for further false flag events. Thoughts? Comments?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqV86lBBWfs&feature=related

[Harley]

In this video Richard Boylan posits that the ufo sighting at the Dome of the Rock is a man-created ploy to plant the seeds for further false flag events. Thoughts? Comments?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqV86lBBWfs&feature=related

Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqV86lBBWfs&feature=related


That's what I said too.

Harley

[Harley]

Whenever a UFO video such as this comes out, and especially if it goes viral, the copy-cats and debunkers come out of the woodwork like crazy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ-bNOy_CKQ

But what's important to understand is, even if a video has been proven fake the end-effect on the public will still be the same. So it makes no difference whatsoever as to whether or not it's authentic.

Because of that fact, another thing to note is how many of these videos are actually being posted by the "Black Hats"?

Real or not, the results are the same.

Harley

[bluestflame]

Hello Friends News just in . Do you get a feeling of burning in your chest or head and shoulders when on certain forums or certain clips on you tube ? This is caused by a low level frequency sent through and over to you via the screen and audio monitors. These frequencies are attuned to your chakra bases. they can make you feel anything from disoriented to nausious , drained , confused.

What you can do is limit the time you spend on the screen, indeed if you walk away from your terminal and go have a cup of tea or water you will feel relief. You will notice it stronger on some clips on you tube than others, some none at all.

Hope this is helpful .

Hello friends i have found a video to substantiate my claim. Info starts at 11:30


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkTp8TTWwrU


makes me wonder if with this technological application of activational under the radar subliminal frequencies , that "digitally remastered" music flooding the market has this imbedded

a word of caution on meditation vids downloaded off youtube ...watch through first in a fully conscious state and feel how it affects you before opening up to them

was mentioned the elitists have been using technology to this end ...confusion and manipulation , disruption of natural process of awakening we are in the process of

[kinerkid]

I can speak for some (not all) of the digitally remastered music out there...it's not manipulated like that. I have friends who are mastering engineers and what digitally remastered means is muting some of the tape hiss and bumping up some of the high end and low end frequencies and simply increasing the loudness of the entire track. No one I knows would purposefully do this to create harm... It is simply the result of technology advancing from analog to digital. I have an engineer friend who can't stand listening to the Beatles because of all the analog noise. LOL. He's a digital purist.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I think you will find that its safe to say there is all sorts of stuff going on good and bad. What this hopes to do is make us more discerning on what we ingest without becoming fearful. Thats the trick .. Do not Fear :) Be brave

[Leon]

Could this be another false flag or the truth?

Nasa Sientist claims he has proof of et life

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/8960561/nasa-scientist-claims-hes-found-evidence-of-alien-life

[Gone001]

They are definitely stepping up the mainstream publics conditioning:

Written on March 5, 2011 at 10:14 pm by Dakota O'Leary
Earth's first contact not with a UFO but with a meteor
Filed under In The News {no comments}

Listen to this article. Powered by Odiogo.com

Riccardo Guerrero / Richard B. Hoover / Journal of Cosmology
First Alien Contact?

It's not like Star Trek; First Contact, but it's first contact nonetheless according to NASA scientist Dr. Richard B. Hoover, an astrobiologist with NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center. According to Cosmology Science News, Hoover has discovered fossilized ancient bacteria which came from colonies which lived on comets, moons and other planets. Cosmology Science News states further:

Using the most advanced micro-scanning technology in the world, Dr. Hoover fractured fresh slices of the interior of these meteorites, and discovered the remains of several species of cyanobacteria, also known as blue-green algae. Blue-green algae have a unique quality, they thrive even under the harshest of conditions.

According to Dr. Hoover, the possibility of contamination has been completely ruled out. "What is both exciting and extraordinary" Dr. Hoover said, "is although many of the bacteria resemble and can be associated with generic species on Earth, there are others which are completely alien. Neither I nor other experts who have seen the evidence have any idea what these creatures might be."

"I believe these findings indicate that life is not restricted to Earth, but is broadly distributed, even outside our solar system" said Dr. Hoover.

Dr. Carl Gibson of the Center for Astrophysics and Space Sciences at Scripps Institute and the University of California at San Diego had this to say: "Dr. Hover has provided the world with extraordinary evidence to back up extraordinary claims. This discovery completely changes our perspective of the nature of life and our place in the Universe, The world will never be the same."

Does this mean life on Earth came from other planets?

Dr. Hoover believes the evidence is consistent with the theories and evidence provided by famed astrophysics Fred Hoyle (who coined "The Big Bang") and Chandra Wickramasinghe, and which has been detailed in the just release edited volume: "The Biological Big Bang."

According to Dr. Chandra Wickramasinghe Director of the Astrobiology Centre at Cardiff University, "We believe Dr. Hoover's evidence, coupled with other findings and recent genetic studies, indicates life has a genetic ancestry which leads over 10 billion years back in time. Some of these life forms were delivered to Earth, in comets."

Dr. Rudy Schild, a scientist with the Harvard-Smithsonian's Center for Astrophysics and the editor-in-chief of the Journal of Cosmology, has written in an editor's note: "Given the controversial nature of his discovery, we have invited 100 experts and have issued a general invitation to over 5,000 scientists from the scientific community to review the paper and to offer their critical analysis. No other paper in the history of science has undergone such a thorough vetting, and never before in the history of science has the scientific community been given the opportunity to critically analyze an important research paper before it is published."

What does this all mean?

According to Dr. Chandra Wickramasinghe, "Dr. Hoover's discoveries, coupled with recent findings by other scientists, provides the world with decisive evidence that we are all aliens. Life is a truly cosmic phenomenon."

As summed up by Dr. Rhawn Joseph, in the lead commentary: "The overall pattern of evidence, from genetics to microfossils, indicates that life on Earth came from other planets. Our ancient ancestors were visitors from the stars."
FOXNews got an exclusive interview which you can read here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p2QU4POkyU&feature=player_embedded

http://www.goddiscussion.com/41824/earths-first-contact-not-with-a-ufo-but-with-a-meteor/

Cheers,

Aldous

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Well Spotted Leon And Aldous, This is all part of the slow boil ... The alternative people know that ET exist but a Nasa scientist stating this is designed to advise the general public. He has credibility in that domain.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

News Just In : OEA is amongst us for observation of a shift , OEA = Outside Earth Alliance. Last night i was out and about and had all sorts of people coming up to me to chat and say things .. Information has been dislodged from the clutches. Over the course of the next 2 weeks listen intently to messages given by strangers. In short GOOD THINGS AHEAD in terms of communication :)

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

People please pay much attention to this clip. It is the trailor of the movie Battle Los Angeles. after i watched it the clock struck 11:11 the date of its release is 03:11:11 My original release as to how things may unravel in my vision was almost identical to the movie trailor. It has made my blood chill ... If ! and i say if in a preparatory way .. my interpretations are correct and if TPTB are in their usual timing of things the event, or one that is a prequel to it, will take place approx 2 weeks after the release of this movie. It is my opinion that this is past of a disclosiure project. Subsequent interviews with actors/ members of politic , in the movie attest to their belief that there MUST be ET out there... Interesting way to get the message across..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dI94ZO2SbM


N

[ulli]

WOW, that looks scary. Thank God it's only a movie...

[Chuck]

¤=[Post Update]=¤

News Just In Suggestions only , not definites.

The night of the red skies

Jets will fly right to left, ground vehicles with bright lights.

They will dispense chemicals in the air and fire randomly upon.

The rain ionised will bring virus to the ground, be careful around times of rain, cover the inhalation.

Be in support groups and have early detection and retreat plan. DO NOT ENGAGE. Retreat and hide. Weapons are not recommended.

Do not take the vaccine after it, it has no benefit.

Fear is a control mechanism , be prepared and do not fear.

An Earth Alliance will be present for observation.

End.

Ok Nanoo Nanoo ...

You had figured this had to do with disbursing chemicals and raining viruses. In retrospect, could it be radiation? Did your sense allow this as a potential interpretation?

The stability of the nuclear power plant at ***ushima has been compromised after the earthquake and tsunami. The explosion leads one to fear the worst as all attempts to cool the reactor have failed so far. The radius of evacuation has grown from 10km to 20km. It does not look good... more radiation has been detected...

[bennycog]

My question from the japan tsunami nuclear thread:
Harley in your opinion is this a false flag?
And also if the moon is a craft of some sort, someone has to be in control of it. As you say it will move into its closest position soon, so the controllers would know the distruction it would cause..
They only thing i could think of, is that it may be a proactive thing to happen/directed for the planet. Not necessarily for any of us on it. I only say this because of the vaguely accepted theory of the moon as being artificial.

[araucaria]

They are definitely stepping up the mainstream publics conditioning:

Written on March 5, 2011 at 10:14 pm by Dakota O'Leary
Earth's first contact not with a UFO but with a meteor
Filed under In The News {no comments}

Listen to this article. Powered by Odiogo.com

Riccardo Guerrero / Richard B. Hoover / Journal of Cosmology
First Alien Contact?

It's not like Star Trek; First Contact, but it's first contact nonetheless according to NASA scientist Dr. Richard B. Hoover, an astrobiologist with NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center. According to Cosmology Science News, Hoover has discovered fossilized ancient bacteria which came from colonies which lived on comets, moons and other planets. Cosmology Science News states further:

Using the most advanced micro-scanning technology in the world, Dr. Hoover fractured fresh slices of the interior of these meteorites, and discovered the remains of several species of cyanobacteria, also known as blue-green algae. Blue-green algae have a unique quality, they thrive even under the harshest of conditions.

According to Dr. Hoover, the possibility of contamination has been completely ruled out. "What is both exciting and extraordinary" Dr. Hoover said, "is although many of the bacteria resemble and can be associated with generic species on Earth, there are others which are completely alien. Neither I nor other experts who have seen the evidence have any idea what these creatures might be."

"I believe these findings indicate that life is not restricted to Earth, but is broadly distributed, even outside our solar system" said Dr. Hoover.

Dr. Carl Gibson of the Center for Astrophysics and Space Sciences at Scripps Institute and the University of California at San Diego had this to say: "Dr. Hover has provided the world with extraordinary evidence to back up extraordinary claims. This discovery completely changes our perspective of the nature of life and our place in the Universe, The world will never be the same."

Does this mean life on Earth came from other planets?

Dr. Hoover believes the evidence is consistent with the theories and evidence provided by famed astrophysics Fred Hoyle (who coined "The Big Bang") and Chandra Wickramasinghe, and which has been detailed in the just release edited volume: "The Biological Big Bang."

According to Dr. Chandra Wickramasinghe Director of the Astrobiology Centre at Cardiff University, "We believe Dr. Hoover's evidence, coupled with other findings and recent genetic studies, indicates life has a genetic ancestry which leads over 10 billion years back in time. Some of these life forms were delivered to Earth, in comets."

Dr. Rudy Schild, a scientist with the Harvard-Smithsonian's Center for Astrophysics and the editor-in-chief of the Journal of Cosmology, has written in an editor's note: "Given the controversial nature of his discovery, we have invited 100 experts and have issued a general invitation to over 5,000 scientists from the scientific community to review the paper and to offer their critical analysis. No other paper in the history of science has undergone such a thorough vetting, and never before in the history of science has the scientific community been given the opportunity to critically analyze an important research paper before it is published."

What does this all mean?

According to Dr. Chandra Wickramasinghe, "Dr. Hoover's discoveries, coupled with recent findings by other scientists, provides the world with decisive evidence that we are all aliens. Life is a truly cosmic phenomenon."

As summed up by Dr. Rhawn Joseph, in the lead commentary: "The overall pattern of evidence, from genetics to microfossils, indicates that life on Earth came from other planets. Our ancient ancestors were visitors from the stars."
FOXNews got an exclusive interview which you can read here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p2QU4POkyU&feature=player_embedded

http://www.goddiscussion.com/41824/earths-first-contact-not-with-a-ufo-but-with-a-meteor/

Cheers,

Aldous

And which planet does she come from - this woman seems to have no experience of conversational English?!

[Nanoo Nanoo]

¤=[Post Update]=¤

News Just In Suggestions only , not definites.

The night of the red skies

Jets will fly right to left, ground vehicles with bright lights.

They will dispense chemicals in the air and fire randomly upon.

The rain ionised will bring virus to the ground, be careful around times of rain, cover the inhalation.

Be in support groups and have early detection and retreat plan. DO NOT ENGAGE. Retreat and hide. Weapons are not recommended.

Do not take the vaccine after it, it has no benefit.

Fear is a control mechanism , be prepared and do not fear.

An Earth Alliance will be present for observation.

End.

Ok Nanoo Nanoo ...

You had figured this had to do with disbursing chemicals and raining viruses. In retrospect, could it be radiation? Did your sense allow this as a potential interpretation?

The stability of the nuclear power plant at ***ushima has been compromised after the earthquake and tsunami. The explosion leads one to fear the worst as all attempts to cool the reactor have failed so far. The radius of evacuation has grown from 10km to 20km. It does not look good... more radiation has been detected...


Hey Chuck , No this was specifically aimed at chemical/ Viral inhalation , not radiation. The info was stated to me from the angle of a deliberate FF ET attack, not a natural disaster. It is interesting however Harley has been pointing out abnormal techtonic plate movement ... its been happening for a while now and more so than ever.. id say if you are near a fault be prepared.

Perhaps go over an evac plan, secure things that might fall etc .. All we really need to do in these times is be prepared , dont let the circumstances get the better of you. Be rational , calm and prepared. Smile knowing you have choices in that you are awake. What we should be doing is having a water reserve that is not contaminated. Radiation can contaminate water, water is all connected.

Question for Harley : My friend , in your experience using the 2 earth quakes NZ and Jap, where are most likely to hit next if at all ? Do you think it will go West across the south of asia minor ? or continue North ?




N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

WOW, that looks scary. Thank God it's only a movie...

Yes .. lets hope it stays that way ! ;)

[Harley]

"Oh thank heaven for Seven Eleven"

Target 7 10

Late-Night of 9 or evening of 10 (US).

Remember, this is why they use the term target: Due to unforeseen or unplanned circumstances a target can be missed.

This is hard.

[bennycog]

"Oh thank heaven for Seven Eleven"

Target 7 10

Late-Night of 9 or evening of 10 (US).

Remember, this is why they use the term target: Due to unforeseen or unplanned circumstances a target can be missed.

This is hard.

Sorry harley. i am not getting what you are referring to here.. can you explain a little more please?

[Harley]

My question from the japan tsunami nuclear thread:
Harley in your opinion is this a false flag?
And also if the moon is a craft of some sort, someone has to be in control of it. As you say it will move into its closest position soon, so the controllers would know the distruction it would cause..
They only thing i could think of, is that it may be a proactive thing to happen/directed for the planet. Not necessarily for any of us on it. I only say this because of the vaguely accepted theory of the moon as being artificial.
1. No, this was an unexpected screw-up. They would never intentionally do anything that would cause permanent damage to the planet. What good would that do them? Think about it! The false flag operation was Libya, which was contrived to create a "Wag The Dog" effect. In other words a false war to direct everyones' attention away from the far more serious truth. Do you think that it worked? Yes.

2. Not sure, but I don't think any entity NOW is "controlling" the moon. The moon is (was) a natural planetoid, but it is not a native satellite of earth. Although the ptb are now using it to their own ends, they had nothing whatsoever to do with it's placement here. So how did it get here? If you listen closely to Michio Kaku's speech about the 3 types of Extraterrestrial Civilizations you just may be able to understand how, and maybe even why, this is possible.
(It's in there, trust me!)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmXJyZoaz20

BTW, ever wonder how scientists can even conjure-up such ideas with enough detail to actually create 'Types and Categories"? They Know.

For us, the dots are everywhere and most of them are not even hidden. You just need to pay a little closer attention and start connecting.


Sorry harley. i am not getting what you are referring to here.. can you explain a little more please?

Let me simply remind you of the title and subject of this thread. Maybe a refresher of post #1 wouldn't be such a bad idea for everyone? Please don't make me start all over again! LOL!

BTW, when I said "This is hard" I was referring to the data.

I don't do predictions, I don't do channeling, and I don't have all of the answers. But what I do have is lots of good dots.

[Nasu]

[B][SIZE="3"]

Many thanks to Bill, Hiram, and all of my friends whom have supported and encouraged me. We CAN and WILL make this OUR UNIVERSE!

Thank you Harley for posting this, something that has been on my mind a great deal of late. The key seems to be coms, if they are completely down or not. As a combo thought, it could be the perfect opportunity to introduce some of our friends as saviors and benefactors into this space threat idea.

The deeper game could be repulsion, set the stage for rogues like China or parts of the world to rebel, to bring them in to chaos. In the eyes of other worldly watchers this could be the excuse for action, the excuse for intervention and oversight, protection of the planet and its environs, the idea of the life diving death?

The obvious high profile moves of the knight might blind us to the pawns advance. Games hidden within games. I am old school, a throwback to how humans were, perhaps, arguably, something to leave behind and evolve away from. I come from the mind and constant vigilance of the warrior. My skills are for protection of less violent souls, whose part cannot be measured in mere strength or cunning. None the less, as a throwback, I need solutions.

Given the above, or a variation of the above, what are we going to do about it now? Or are we simply aiming for satisfaction of the ego mind, or the ability to say we saw this coming as we stand in line for the Muster / FOB / FEMA station, with our fellow captives? What solutions are there, what can we do now? I have some land in NE Arizona, with water, 5k ft, 1,500 acres give or take.

Solutions? N

[East Sun]

Lately I can't keep up with all the info. or potential info. on this forum as well as the other forums that I try to keep up with. I have not read all the posts on this forum so I hope you won't think me stupid for saying this:
Is it not bad enough that we have to deal with ets whether friendly or not without people here on Earth manipulating us as well?
We need to really wake up. I know that we are all doing the best we can with what we have to go on.
I can see progress whether real or imagined, but as well as being aware of 'red flag' manipulation we need to be able to discern between that and a real visit from ets. I think they would not just land in broad daylight near a city. They are not that stupid and especially near a military base.
If they had the ability they would spent time here unannounced.
One thing that we have to watch is, if our ptb plus the military plus out big G. have been working with some of them, we have a problem.
If this was the return of the Annanaki sp they would soon sort the whole thing out.
But if they faced a violent opposition what would they do? Just turn around and say, 'these people have not progressed far enough, let's wait another few thousand years. OK what's next on our list, Oh, yeah, those entities we left five thousand years ago had potential, we can be there in only one minute at most, let's go. Good bye, earthlings, see you in a few, maybe....

[bennycog]

Let me simply remind you of the title and subject of this thread. Maybe a refresher of post #1 wouldn't be such a bad idea for everyone? Please don't make me start all over again! LOL!

BTW, when I said "This is hard" I was referring to the data.

I don't do predictions, I don't do channeling, and I don't have all of the answers. But what I do have is lots of good dots.

I thought it might have been a cheeky forward concept of a date. "target 7 10" 7th month 10th day in the US.
or maybe you were replying in cryptic to another post, because i went searching back through the posts to find the start of that puzzle :)
I will refresh myself on the first post mate thanx..
While i have you here. Can you connect some dots for me with what seems a flurry of alien movies and a large amount of hoax alien/ufo news directed at us in and around the alternative media? It really does not look like disclosure to me. It seems more of a test to see how the readers/viewers disperse these new articles and footage. Then use that to discredite them on everything else they have gotten right..
Or is it just the continual drip drap drop of boring release of disclosure that makes our teeth grit as we try to hold back our negative thoughts to becoming negative words..

[Snowbird]

Harley Hawkins-1. No, this was an unexpected screw-up. They would never intentionally do anything that would cause permanent damage to the planet. What good would that do them? Think about it! The false flag operation was Libya, which was contrived to create a "Wag The Dog" effect. In other words a false war to direct everyones' attention away from the far more serious truth. Do you think that it worked? Yes.

Although the subject of this thread is extremely important and definitely worthy of attention, I am having great trouble thinking in terms of the attack on Japan being an unexpected screw-up. The growing circumstantial evidence leans far to the opposite end of this pendulum.

Harley, are you serious when you state that, They would never intentionally do anything that would cause permanent damage to the planet? Every war, every attack, every false flag, every 9/11, every Viet Nam, every oil "spill", every Hiroshima/Nagasaki, every nuclear power plant, every sink hole, every stripped mountain top, every poisoned waterway, every decimated forest, every deep underground laboratory, every chemtrail, every GMO seed lot, every corporate pollution, every law protecting polluters...need I go on? Please explain from where your statement stems.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Logic,

If real ET´s wanted us off this planet it could happen in a heart beat and without all this disclosire. If they did however there would be a reaction from OEA. Not favourable in the long term.

Legend of the future past,

Original contact was a warning , it went terribly wrong. Greed and Stupidity combined with Ego = Current Position.

Control of our PTB through manipulation changed the tangent of our history. They are now in treaty with our Govts , the treaty has very strict guidelines of manipulation. Rule 1: They can do whatever they want as long as they warn us of it first. Disclosiure is the warning .

If your real ET ancestors appeared you would know ... YOU WOULD JUST KNOW , no doubt, just a feeling that you know them , like you know your brother or your dog.

If a moment of doubt or extacy comes over you ... run ! This is PTB sattelite control.

Look at this video , most of this is Holographic .. get to know what it looks like, dont buy into the fear, just study it .. Several types of disclosiure IE PTB holographs 85 % approx and real Earth Ships 15% approx, released on CNN and Fox ( ptb control mech ) these have been released in the mainstream and alt media to gauge the reactions .. they are watching us watch them to see what gets the best reaction, what gets debunked etc. before they do something of this magnitute they MUST first do their homework. they have been doing their homework for many many years ..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PRVP4EQAo


N
N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Harley Hawkins-1. No, this was an unexpected screw-up. They would never intentionally do anything that would cause permanent damage to the planet. What good would that do them? Think about it! The false flag operation was Libya, which was contrived to create a "Wag The Dog" effect. In other words a false war to direct everyones' attention away from the far more serious truth. Do you think that it worked? Yes.

Although the subject of this thread is extremely important and definitely worthy of attention, I am having great trouble thinking in terms of the attack on Japan being an unexpected screw-up. The growing circumstantial evidence leans far to the opposite end of this pendulum.

Harley, are you serious when you state that, They would never intentionally do anything that would cause permanent damage to the planet? Every war, every attack, every false flag, every 9/11, every Viet Nam, every oil "spill", every Hiroshima/Nagasaki, every nuclear power plant, every sink hole, every stripped mountain top, every poisoned waterway, every decimated forest, every deep underground laboratory, every chemtrail, every GMO seed lot, every corporate pollution, every law protecting polluters...need I go on? Please explain from where your statement stems.

May i take a guess here and HH may be able to elaborate or correct me .

The technology avail to ptb is thousands of years ahead of even our imagination. Using Logic i would say any or most harm to the planet can be reversed with their avail technology.

Further down the burrow we go and with refrence to Project looking glass. I will make a bold statement here . There was a video on Camelot about a Dr who worked at S4 or 51 .. He states in this video interview by Kerry that the Project Looking Glass Technology was ¨Dismantled ¨ when he ( Dr ) stated this, his energy shifted and he was deeply ashamed of what he just said .. he was forcebly lying. Project Looking Glass is still in operation and is being used to read future natural events and then used to their advantage.

Eg , lets say you want to force a country like Japan for instance, to give you more of a slice of their pie ... and they say no .. looking into the future and seeing a natural earth quake of say 4.5 going to hit on a particular day you can increase with the use of HRP tech .. you approach the country and warn them if they dont play nice they will cause a big mess ... If they say Yes its a 4.5 and they get advance warning to evacuate ¨important officials¨ etc .. no big deal .. if they say no they turn it up to a 9.2 and no warning when it will hit.

This is how its being used .. IMO and in their OP.

PS this happened in NZ .. they agreed and were warned prior to the event .. it was minimal as a result and the ¨important ¨people were evacuated, this is documented. see how it works now ?

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[Nanoo Nanoo]

Interesting video by HH from Michio Kaku, he IMO is a premier dis info specialist of a particular kind. IMO and in the OP of the OEA he is stating fact about what has already happened. He states that we will become type 1 in about 100 years ..but we are already there and have been for about 30 years.

so what he states you can take as pretty accurate but its like he made this video in the 1860´s ... do you notice he dosent put a date on anything ? He knows a lot more than what he puts forward and is employed to manipulate the opinion of the general public IMO.

See how he makes refrence to certain movies ? Star Wars in particular is presented as a non fictional review of a fictional event from the view point of a future AI from another galaxy.


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[wynderer]

there are already hostile ETs living on/in Earth, & doing a pretty good job of taking over -- i figure any kind of 'false flag' will be some spin the NWO guys & gals are playing out

[Snowbird]

Although the subject of this thread is extremely important and definitely worthy of attention, I am having great trouble thinking in terms of the attack on Japan being an unexpected screw-up. The growing circumstantial evidence leans far to the opposite end of this pendulum.

Harley, are you serious when you state that, They would never intentionally do anything that would cause permanent damage to the planet? Every war, every attack, every false flag, every 9/11, every Viet Nam, every oil "spill", every Hiroshima/Nagasaki, every nuclear power plant, every sink hole, every stripped mountain top, every poisoned waterway, every decimated forest, every deep underground laboratory, every chemtrail, every GMO seed lot, every corporate pollution, every law protecting polluters...need I go on? Please explain from where your statement stems.

May i take a guess here and HH may be able to elaborate or correct me .

The technology avail to ptb is thousands of years ahead of even our imagination. Using Logic i would say any or most harm to the planet can be reversed with their avail technology.

Of course you can voice your opinion here. This is what helps to make this forum thrive.

The probable and potential intended destruction of the Japan quake and tsunami, was to aid the Ring of Fire to split the earth. This is my opinion. If Japan itself, splits in half vertically and slides east into the Pacific, the resulting tsunami rushing toward the west coast of California, will be so massive as to destroy much of that state. This will in turn trigger the multiple earthquake faults that will most likely split California.

Do you and others believe that the technology that is being held by these earthly creatures and being held from the world's people, can fix this? That is some kind of technology! :juggle:

[Etherios]

Snow i really believe there is a plan in action in Japan. Now did they started all this or "Never leave a good disaster go to waste" i dont know... but i am sure we will find out ... soon.

Check this also and tell me that you dont get the feeling that SOMETHING is on the move. Russia takes real action to counter space threats (http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/22-04-2011/117675-russia_space_troops-0/) - Why now? Is it just a coincidence? "Russia is expected to finish the establishment of air and space defense troops." space defense hehe ...

[Nanoo Nanoo]

there are already hostile ETs living on/in Earth, & doing a pretty good job of taking over -- i figure any kind of 'false flag' will be some spin the NWO guys & gals are playing out

Well as far as the ET´s already here being hostile id like to present another point of view. There are good guys and not so good guys ,we have ancestors that care very much for us and are probably the reason why we havent choked ourselves on our own rope yet.

Its safe to say we have been living symbiotically with ET races here on earth for thousands of years. They believe this to be their planet yet we are allowed to perpetuate and live here without much incident until things took a turn for the worse. The turn was made from Humanoid Species , not ET imo.
ET Species have absolutely no interest in money or power ... they have an abundance of everything they need. They are in it for the Experiment .. for experiemts to conclude they MUST be left to gestate without influence.

Do the ET´s like us ... No .. they think we are a sub species, yet they let us live without incident. Do they eat us ? maybe, but i doubt its a significant number .. do we eat their relatives and other species they created ? yeah .. every day. Maybe why they find us crude ?

Most abductions are carried out by EBE/Humanoid experimental craft. ET´s do not need to know our biology .. they helped create it .. why do they need to reverse engineer what they made ?

Rambling again sorry .. :) I have to say im enjoying the debate and learning from you all Thank you !

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[Snowbird]

Snow i really believe there is a plan in action in Japan. Now did they started all this or "Never leave a good disaster go to waste" i dont know... but i am sure we will find out ... soon.

Check this also and tell me that you dont get the feeling that SOMETHING is on the move. Russia takes real action to counter space threats (http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/22-04-2011/117675-russia_space_troops-0/) - Why now? Is it just a coincidence? "Russia is expected to finish the establishment of air and space defense troops." space defense hehe ...

Where the world governments are concerned Etherios, there are far more bad-guys than good-guys. The Russian government is very much into the New World Order arena and will do whatever necessary to go with this flow.

One has to wonder what is the Real purpose of these space defense troops. Who and what are they defending? If they think that real alien invasion will be thwarted by their puny defense system, I think they are delusional. However, if this is indeed all for show, they may be able to convince a few million citizens that this is needed.

It always saddens me to see governments, such as the U.S., going to such ridiculous extremes simply for show and profit and control.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Snowbird ,

I would guess that any Weaponisation of space is an NWO tactic. As you stated any weapon tech we have would be useless in reality against them.

More excuses to syphon funds + more ways to add to fear = control.

[wynderer]

there are already hostile ETs living on/in Earth, & doing a pretty good job of taking over -- i figure any kind of 'false flag' will be some spin the NWO guys & gals are playing out

Well as far as the ET´s already here being hostile id like to present another point of view. There are good guys and not so good guys ,we have ancestors that care very much for us and are probably the reason why we havent choked ourselves on our own rope yet.

Its safe to say we have been living symbiotically with ET races here on earth for thousands of years. They believe this to be their planet yet we are allowed to perpetuate and live here without much incident until things took a turn for the worse. The turn was made from Humanoid Species , not ET imo.
ET Species have absolutely no interest in money or power ... they have an abundance of everything they need. They are in it for the Experiment .. for experiemts to conclude they MUST be left to gestate without influence.

Do the ET´s like us ... No .. they think we are a sub species, yet they let us live without incident. Do they eat us ? maybe, but i doubt its a significant number .. do we eat their relatives and other species they created ? yeah .. every day. Maybe why they find us crude ?

Most abductions are carried out by EBE/Humanoid experimental craft. ET´s do not need to know our biology .. they helped create it .. why do they need to reverse engineer what they made ?

Rambling again sorry .. :) I have to say im enjoying the debate and learning from you all Thank you !

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thanks for responding, Nanoo Nanoo -- i don't agree w/you, however -- as i see it, there are quite a few ET groups here on [or above or within] Earth, flagrantly violating Universal Laws & walking all over the free will of Earth Humans -- i call these the NWO ETs -- right now this planet is ruled by the NWO, & i believe it is dangerous for benevolent ETs to approach the planet &/or incarnate here, tho some do

i think we are all learning from each other

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Here is imo one of the most important pieces of information i think i can give out.

¨Consent ¨ Nwo cannot do anything without our consent .. we are letting them do everything they do so therefore we are giving them consent in the eyes of treaty holders and ET races.

thats the caveat.

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[yaksuit]

The False Flag Alien Threat To Frame The ETs As Enemies
Harley Hawkins
14 DEC 2010

There is one more possibility that I'd like to mention. Has anyone gave much real thought as to why the last Space Shuttle mission marking the end of the Space Shuttle Program has been delayed so many times and for so long? Sure, I know there are sometimes delays. But for six months or more? Also does everyone know who canceled the Space Shuttle Program? No it was NOT Obama. It was Bush! The Shuttle System was conceived exclusively for the building and servicing of the I.S.S., so basically what this means is the end of the shuttles marks the completion and any major servicing of the station. In other words It Is In-Place. Also, wouldn't that be a tremendous “effect” for everyone to see the final shuttle “Shot Down” while on landing approach, say over L.A.?


"Further delay to Nasa's final Endeavour shuttle mission"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13244053

[Nanoo Nanoo]

This is a great video Perhaps Mods Merge these ?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23389-The-Orion-Conspiracy-The-Only-New-Things-are-Those-Which-have-Been-Forgotten&p=248772#post248772

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With respect to my dear friend Harley Hawkins that started this thread. :)

[Harley]

The title of this thread "False Flag Alien Threat To Frame The ETs As Enemies" should probably remain unchanged, since I created this thread upon Bill's request.

However, I see no reason "The Orion Conspiracy" thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23389-The-Orion-Conspiracy-The-Only-New-Things-are-Those-Which-have-Been-Forgotten&p=248772#post248772
could not be merged here since it is a (possibly fictional?) account of the history leading-up to the conception of the False Flag Alien Threat scenario.

I'll leave that up to Bill/The Mods.

Thanks again Nanoo!

:)

Harley

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I think that the system we are UNDER is binary. It is not necessarily the same system they use out there, in other places of space. In order to see what is in the skies you have to de cloak the binary system of which we are under.

Interesting. Never thought of it as a binary system; you may be on to something. We do tend to think of life and systems in binary terms, even computers run under a binary system.

Occasionally people photograph a landscape or other casual scene only to find an anomaly such as a UFO of some sort, sometimes quite clear, when they see the picture.

And, saw this clip this morning: ="http://www.coolestone.com/media/1704/Unbelievable-Waste-Of-Taxpayers-Money/"

Itʻs meant to be a joke but it may be something more than that.

BTW, Kissinger said last week or so that Egypt was only the beginning for the middle east, that other countries would be rising up too -- which we have heard well before this. Weʻve been notified.


Binary systems are much easier to project holographically due to the nature of its technology. Projections, holograms, solid mass formation in binary is easier to manipulate. Or give the impression of something thats not really there.

Very interesting thing that happens to me somethimes when i meditate. I open my eyes and anything thats a projection becomes bi focal or i,see it in pairs as i sepperate brain hemispheres. I see 2 of everything when i watch tv inmthis state. Now the interesting thing to note is i went outside during the lat full moon and meditated looking at the sky and guess what, i saw 2 of everything. Moon stars all had a twin beside it, more interesting again when i saw a plane fly over head it was singular ie just one plane not two as you would assume. When i look back to the ground everything is singular, look back to the skymthere is two of everything.

The ramafications of what this might mean is doing my head in :-) hmmm vely vely interesting

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[wynderer]

thanks to Vivek for this video, posted in Houman's Archon thread -- it's long, but well worth the watching, imo, especially as it relates to the false flag invasion --

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[UnrealDreams]

Well, this would be a good test for "Tolec from Dakote". Tolec has said the ET false flag invasion has been avoided. I believe it has been avoided as well.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Well, this would be a good test for "Tolec from Dakote". Tolec has said the ET false flag invasion has been avoided. I believe it has been avoided as well.

I tend to agree, however knowingmhow they work, its just been delayed for another 20 years. The delay was, in part because of this thread and similar ones inspired by it. We had to shift the time line by spoilingmthe surprise.

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[wynderer]

is Tolec one of those channeled dudes?

[Hervé]

Here is another reason why the False Flag event might have been mothballed (from John Coleman's "Committee of 300 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_committee300.htm#menu)"):


The Club of Rome, after playing a key role in the Cuban Missile Crisis, attempted to sell its “crisis management” (the forerunner of FEMA) program to President Kennedy. Several Tavistock scientists went to see the President to explain what it meant, but the President rejected the advice they gave. The same year that Kennedy was murdered, Tavistock was back in Washington to talk with NASA. This time the talks were successful. Tavistock was given a contract by NASA to evaluate the effect of its coming space program on American public opinion.

The contract was farmed to the Stanford Research Institute and the Rand Corporation. Much of the material produced by Tavistock, Stanford and Rand never saw the light of day and remains sealed until now. Several Senate oversight committees and sub-committees I approached to obtain information told me they had “never heard of it,” nor did they have the slightest idea where I might find what I was seeking. Such is the power and prestige of the Committee of 300.

In 1966 I was advised by my intelligence colleagues to approach Dr. Anatol Rappaport who had written a treatise in which the administration was said to be interested. It was a paper intended to bring an end to NASA’s space program, which Rappaport said had outlived its usefulness. Rappaport was quite happy to give me a copy of his paper which, without going into fine detail, basically claimed that NASA’s space program should be scrapped.

NASA has too many scientists who were exerting a bad influence on America because they were always eager to lecture schools and university audiences on how rocketry worked, from construction to propulsion. Rappaport claimed that this would produce a generation of adults who would decide to become space scientists, only to find themselves “redundant” as no one would need their services by the year 2000.

No sooner had Rappaport’s profiling report on NASA been presented to NATO by the Club of Rome, than the Committee of 300 demanded action. NATO-Club of Rome officials charged with urgent anti-NASA action were Harland Cleveland, Joseph Slater, Claiborne K. Pell, Walter J. Levy, George McGhee, William Watts, Robert Strausz-Hupe (U.S. ambassador to NATO) and Donald Lesh. In May 1967 a meeting was organized by the Scientific and Technological Committee of the North Atlantic Assembly and the Foreign Policy Research Institute. It was called “Conference on Transatlantic Imbalance and Collaboration” and it was held at Queen Elizabeth’s palatial property in Deauville, France.

The basic purpose and intent of the conference at Deauville was to end U.S. technological and industrial progress. Out of the conference came two books, one of which is mentioned herein, Brzezinski’s “Technotronic Era.” The other was written by conference chairman, Aurellio Peccei, entitled “The Chasm Ahead.” Peccei largely agreed with Brzezinski, but added that there would be chaos in a future world NOT RULED BY A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. In this regard, Peccei insisted that the Soviet Union must be offered “a convergence with NATO,” such a convergence ending in an equal partnership in a New World Order with the United States.



A False Flag event would imply an urgent renewal in the research and development of new technologies in the public domain... that's a no-no in the NWO plans.

[Fredenit]

Hello there Harley Hawkins,
Just what is it that you know about the Universe, that massive expanse that the mind can not deal with, if it comes to that, what do you know about the Galaxy that we are part of, that encapsulates us, and in that encapsulation there are many many thousands of worlds that have intelligent life, life that has been navigating the Galaxy for hundreds of thousands of years. To achieve the level of advanced technology that they have has taken thousands upon thousands of years to evolve, The Alien presence that is in on our planet and in our locality of space is no accident, because Humanity its self are to blame, Humanity has for the last 85 years at least, has been sending radio and television broadcasts into space giving the smallest of details about our incapacity to live with one another, how we prefer to war and hurt each other, to prey on each other to gain material wealth, to abuse week nations for their natural resources, again for material wealth. We are the Juvenile races of the Galaxy, the waring idiots of the Galaxy, who profess to ourselves, this is our Universe, we CAN and WILL make this OUR UNIVERSE! This naive and irresponsible attitude would more likely than not help us loose any advantage that we have, our biggest advantage is our Sovereignty of this world of which no multi-Alien force can take from us, and believe me we have problems with many Alien races, who have joined forces to create an Intervention in the world. Has no one ever wondered why there are no Alien messages coming from outer space, trying to make contact with us, it is because they hide from this activity. The Alien worlds in our galaxy are not like the beautiful specimens, as that of our planet, no, most of their worlds are barren worlds, sterile void of natures wonders that we are used to seeing they have very little in the way of natural resources that we have, our planet has been the store house for these other worlds for thousands and thousands of years. But now the Aliens look at us as a threat to the resources that they once had free usage of, that they took for granted that they would be able to come and go when ever they pleased to, in order to maintain their trade in commerce, for that is what they really are in excellence with Commerce. We look upon ourselves as being the masters of commerce and industry, but in reality we are still school children compared to them, they have been doing Commerce again for hundreds of thousands of years. If you think this is the only world that they have taken under their belt then again think about it, they have been around that long, and have needed resources for all of this time, then they have done what what they have done, in their eyes was for survival. They have great might, very high intellect and great need. What do we have? The only thing that we have that they don't have is the Divine spark within us, the spark that was put there by the Divine Creator of all life. There is more to this than can be put into words here, please find the way of your Divine Knowledge, please do this to thwart the advancing of what is now very short time that we have, it is the only way Humanity can repel this threat from the encroaching dominance of the Alien species that are already here to-day, already here as I type these words, for there is no other option for Humanity. As a races we must unite in a spiritual way, come together as one race and be of one accord in the unity of the Divine Knowledge that we have been endowed with, with this as our power we can never be beaten. Find the Steps to Knowledge from http://www.newmessage.org Here you can obtain the literature FREE to enable you to practise the Steps to Knowledge. This is the only way that we as Humanity can win.

[UnrealDreams]

is Tolec one of those channeled dudes?

I'll sum it up for you.

He communicates telepathically with Andromedan Council. He doesn't channel. He has reportedly met up with them and travelled back in time. He also has had news of underground reptilian bases being destroyed. Quite fascinating that he actually predicted a few earthquakes six days in advance to Alfred Weber and pinpointed the location of the bases that were going to be allegedly destroyed and the earthquakes hit the exact locations.

He also states that the Andromedan council has won WW3 which was in space, and defeated the reptilians, and are now cleansing Earth of them, although they won't go after any non-reptilian elites. Apparently the clean up phase is almost over.

He also states that the Andromedan biospheres are using forcefield technology to protect Earth from upconming Earth changes, or Sun changes. The Andromedans say the Sun is the major source of Earth changes coming, according to Tolec.

More info here: http://andromedacouncil.com/index.html

[Fredenit]

Hello Unreal Dreams,
The information given in my above post has come from the words of The Allies of Humanity, and although I can't prove or disprove this information, I know for a fact that the Steps To Knowledge are genuine, as I am practising the Steps and know of its truth giving Knowledge, no-one is going to tell me these Aliens who are enforcing an Intervention here on this world of ours, and has the support of some of the governments of the world, working within the New World Order/ Elite control agenda is not real. Now, there is no proof of any of the communications be it telepathically or channeled. The presumed fact that he for told of earthquakes is still neither here nor there, the fact that he new of these events could be he was in collusion with the Alien Intervention, because there is no proof of any destroyed underground bases as yet, released into the public domain. The Andromeda Council and all its actions have not been noticed here on our planet, and when you think there is a no interference policy within our Galaxy, they have broken their own Laws of their own policies, which they would never do without prior notice to the world involved. All this put together makes me feel that Harley Hawkins, could more realistically be part of the Alien Intervention. Lastly, the ascension is part of the Alien Intervention, aiming at giving Humanity a false sense of security, and of cause, there will be many disappointed here on our down to Earth planet. Please have a nice day.

[donk]

With Tupac back on tour, you gotta imagine the tech for a false flag available (to some) these days should make 911 look like the original King Kong...

[Nanoo Nanoo]

We have allies. Ptw have commited to do or die. Im betting the latter will prevail. Tolec is on cue.

Remember when un manned ships come to collect, dont get on. Dig a hole and play x box.

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[Wide-Eyed]

The False Flag Alien Threat To Frame The ETs As Enemies
Harley Hawkins
14 DEC 2010

[Please note that I am in no way promoting doom and gloom and fear. Keep in mind that the purpose of these discussions are for us to figure out what the plans are, how the events may unfold, and what we as a group might be able to do to either stop or change those plans. I believe that once there is a general consensus amongst the group, simply publishing our analysis could "Throw a huge wrench" in their plans, possibly forcing them to (at the least) make adjustments. -HH]

Almost immediately after Bill announced the plans for Demonization / Criminalization of the alternative media, he was personally attacked on the open forum and the highly publicized criminalization of Wikileaks began. By now I would think that it should be rather obvious to most that these plans within their agenda have already started and that they are happening NOW. Since being BEHIND the ball isn't going to do anyone any good, my question is: WHEN DO WE START? And my answer is: WE START NOW!

The False Flag Alien Threat:

I have not said anything about this up until now because I was waiting to see if someone else might. But because I have had a growing concern for some time, which has almost become a sense of urgency within myself, I feel I need to say this now. Whatever I know or think I know does not matter in the least. You may accept or reject any or all of this. That is entirely up to you. But at least the seed will have been planted. Keep in mind that if some or none of this comes to pass there's always the possibility that the seeds of truth that we have planted has exposed enough of their plans to the greater public to cause them to cancel or change their course of action. Ideally, that is our goal.

The Attack:

This will truly be an international event. But unlike 9-11, which only occurred in the U.S., it will have to be magnitudes bigger (After 9-11, remember the difficulties Bush had in convincing NATO and the allies to join "his war"?). However, even at that it's not going to be that difficult or take that much to convince an unsuspecting world that aliens are attacking. And most everything needed to accomplish such a feat is in place RIGHT NOW. I won't attempt to go into any details of the assault because details have to be always adjustable according to changing events as they occur, but I will list some (possible) things to look for. I will also attempt to list the possible differences in the sequences of events between a Real Enemy attack and a False Flag attack so that when it occurs you may more easily identify which it is.

And please, by all means, feel free to read between the lines!

Either Scenario could begin similarly:

1. A few MAJOR siting events from around the world and broadcast live to the world. (Escalation)

2. A UFO or two is reported as being brought down, with dead and captured-alive aliens. (Escalation)

3. A few of earth's military assets from around the world are reportedly taken out. An F16 here, an F22 there, throw in a few MIGS, and maybe even a ship or two. All with loss of life. (Escalation)

Real Enemy:

WAR

1. Take out ALL of earth's satellites - Communications, Radar and Tracking, Space-Based Weapons – All of it including the International Space Station. At this point we will have no more TV coverage unless you have an antenna.

2. Take out earth's air, ground, and sea defenses and Command and Control facilities.

3. Begin taking out earth's infrastructure: Power and water plants, Food supply, etc. (Depending on the aliens agenda or when we surrender.

I need not go any further.

False-Flag Enemy:

WAR

1. Take out SOME of earth's satellites (Only Non-Essential). TV will remain intact to afford the highest visibility to the public.

2. Along with the re-entering satellites will come the take-down of the I.S.S. This will be your Major International Event because it will be watched by everyone, on TV. (Maximum Effect).

3. ICBM's in the U.S., and possibly even in the U.K., Russia, or other areas of the world, will be attacked and disabled. Although ICBM's are not defensive systems and cannot be used as interceptors, this will prove to have a great additional effect because the public has already been “conditioned” to possible UFO/ICBM shutdowns.

4. Air battles and missile launches will be witnessed by everyone, but it will all be skewed to depict the earth as “Holding It's Own”. We will see wins here and losses there, but they will want the population to believe that we have a chance at defeating the enemy BECAUSE they want this to be a long-term, long-standing war.

5. Over the years, most freedoms and many lives will be lost. ALL FOR A LIE!

There is one more possibility that I'd like to mention. Has anyone gave much real thought as to why the last Space Shuttle mission marking the end of the Space Shuttle Program has been delayed so many times and for so long? Sure, I know there are sometimes delays. But for six months or more? Also does everyone know who canceled the Space Shuttle Program? No it was NOT Obama. It was Bush! The Shuttle System was conceived exclusively for the building and servicing of the I.S.S., so basically what this means is the end of the shuttles marks the completion and any major servicing of the station. In other words It Is In-Place. Also, wouldn't that be a tremendous “effect” for everyone to see the final shuttle “Shot Down” while on landing approach, say over L.A.?

Now that I have myself completely depressed, as I'm sure you all are also, I think I'd better stop. I REALLY do not enjoy saying this stuff but I also REALLY need to bring it out in the open. This is one of the reasons I was brought here and I am trying to help. The more people who know how to identify and understand these events as they occur, the more that will cry FOUL and say

WE ARE NOT BUYING IT!



Many thanks to Bill, Hiram, and all of my friends whom have supported and encouraged me. We CAN and WILL make this OUR UNIVERSE!

Great Idea! Just bumping make sure it stays in full PA view, I joined PA late but Harley you make good points. Terrorism=Forced Government