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ThePythonicCow

9th March 2017, 06:21

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As explained Kevin Barrett of Veterans Today at Jeff Bezos, Amazon endorse holocaust denial! (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/03/08/bezos-denial/), Amazon has banned Mike King's book "The Bad War: The Truth NEVER Taught About World War II"

I have located a pdf (of fine quality) of this book and placed it in the Avalon Library, at Mike King - The Bad War - The Truth Never Told About World War 2 - Version 2.pdf (http://avalonlibrary.net/more_ebooks/Mike King - The Bad War - The Truth Never Told About World War 2 - Version 2.pdf) (49 MBytes, 261 pages).

Here's the letter that Amazon wrote to Mike King, the book's author, stating that Amazon was removing the book:

We’re contacting you regarding the following book: The Bad War: The Truth NEVER Taught About World War II. During our review process, we found that this content is in violation of our content guidelines. As a result, we cannot offer this book for sale.
If you try to go to the main page on Amazon for this book, you are greeted with a picture such as the following, of some dog that is owned by Amazon employees:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Amazon_Dog_Banned_WWII_book.jpg
However the review pages for the book are still accessible at https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B00U9TUW6Y, and they show some some 478 reviews, 333 of them positive and the other 145 critical. The reviews span a two year period, from February 2015 to February 2017. Clearly this "violation of Amazon content guidelines" is a recent change in their guidelines, though Amazon doesn't explain further.

Here are the Introduction and the Closing Statement from this book. These might give you an idea of whether you're further interested in the book (available at the pdf link I provided above):

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Introduction

The Lesson: One story is good, till another is told.
During the 75 years which have now passed since the end of the grand history-altering event known as World War II (aka The Good War), only a single narrative of the great conflict has been heard. It is a story which, as is always the case, has been scripted by the victors and implanted, no, pounded, into the minds of all subsequent generations. Every medium of mass indoctrination has been harnessed to the task of training the obedient masses as to what the proper view of this event should be.

Academia, news media, public education, book publishing, TV documentaries, Hollywood films, clergymen and politicians of every stripe all sing the same dreadful anthem. You know the familiar lyrics: "Germany, Italy and Japan tried to enslave the planet. The good guys of the world community banded together and stopped them; but not before millions were killed in Hitlers gas chambers."

Literally, not a day seems to pass without some sort of media reference to this simplistic goofball narrative; a silly childrens fable which oh-so-conveniently ignores the previous decades of critical history leading up to World War II, omits vital information from the actual war years, and outright fabricates lie after lie after lie. Indeed, the official story amounts to a manufactured mendacity of such mountainous dimensions that the human mind will have a hard time processing the actual truth of the grand event, no matter how compelling the case may be.

Because the moronic mantra is never questioned, the public mind quite naturally assumes it to be an indisputable truth, on par with the belief in 2 + 2 = 4. That is what differentiates mythology from an ordinary lie. Whereas a lie can be dispelled in a matter of minutes, or days at the most; myths can take 100 years, or more, to kill.

Author Dresden James describes the group psychology at play:

"A truths initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasnt the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasnt flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic."

A fair warning; if you cant handle the emotional discomfort and intellectual humbling of having your fossilized worldview turned upside-down and inside-out by the pent-up truth volcano that is The Bad War, you may want to put this book down now and just walk away. Because once you start to dig into the critical data points of World War II, be assured that youll not be able to refute the self-evident conclusions which logically flow from those facts unless, of course, if youre insane.

Myths die hard; as does the human ego.

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Closing Statement

World War II, or The Good War as modern day court-historian refer to it - is the gift that keeps on giving - giving us problems that is! This tragedy, and its aftermath, haunt humanity to this day, and will continue to well into the foreseeable future.

Out of the aftermath of World War II comes the Cold War, the Korean War, the Viet Nam War, the wars and ongoing problems in the Middle East, the financial schemes and distress caused by the IMF and the World Bank, the framework of the tyrannical and corrupt European Union, and so many other problems of the modern day.

The Bad War was a complete disaster for the forces of civilization, stability, virtue, culture, and independent nationalism of blood-related kinfolk. ..But it was a total triumph for the overlapping dark forces of Globalism, debt-based Crony Capitalism, World Communism, misguided liberalism and Zionism.

Behold what the victorious good guys have wrought in the days since that tragic war. Europe, and by extension America, Canada and Australia, no longer exist as peoples with common history, heritage or values. The Globalists have reduced the beloved Europa of Hitler into a rootless, cultureless, godless, genderless, alienated, infertile, pornographic, multi-cultural, homosexual mish-mash of mentally medicated tax and debt slaves.

The true European essence that was once rooted in places like ancient Athens, Rome, Florence, Paris, London, Madrid, Dresden; and grand historical personages such as Plato, Aristotle, Pericles, Jesus, Marcus Aurelius, Charlemagne, Mozart, Kant, Dante, Shakespeare, Jefferson; and vital institutions such as family, farm, folk, community, church and civic groups, is, if not totally gone with the wind, certainly in the process of coming off its moorings.

Collectively, the people of the West are no longer really even peoples defined by common cultures, traditions, bloodlines and sets of eternal values. We are economies defined solely by the Gross Domestic Product.

As individuals, we are no longer persons defined by our virtues and intellects. We are soulless machines disposable, pill-popping, TV-addicted human resources and tax payers defined solely by our net worth and ability to consume - a euphemism for going into debt to buy crap that we dont need.

In a broader philosophical sense, thats what World War II was all about. It was a titanic struggle between the forces of classical Europa (as well as historic Japan) and those of the culturally degenerate and predatory Capitalist-Communist hybrid New World Order in which we live in, no, exist in today. And the true good guys lost!

There is nothing that can be done to undo the evil folly of the past; but by correcting the misinformation associated with it, we can, perhaps, at least avoid more bloodbaths in the future. Make no mistake; this dirty game is still going on and may one day culminate in World War III; pitting the NWO against the disobedient sovereign powers of the new Russia and China. Only the players change; the great game does not.

- End

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And here is the book cover:

http://thepythoniccow.us/The_Bad_War_Mike_King_Book_Cover.jpg

norman

9th March 2017, 07:07

And by the time you throw Einsteinian science into the mix, you know how big a hole we are in.

I've just finished watching The Greatest Story Never Told and had my perspective wrenched from a place it's been too comfortable too long.

Actually, it wasn't comfort, it was numbed out confusion.

ThePythonicCow

9th March 2017, 07:11

Here is an extended interview of Mike King, the author of the above book, by David Duke:
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ThePythonicCow

9th March 2017, 07:21

A Voice from the Mountains

9th March 2017, 07:25

It would have been better if someone besides David Duke did the interview, but I can understand why many would not want to talk to King in the first place.

Sooner or later Bezos will be outed as another piece of filth, a turd that has floated to the top of society as sell-outs and sociopaths tend to do. Google, Facebook, Amazon, mainstream media, the European Union, etc. are all trying their best to destroy real free speech. It'll be just like China though: whenever they outlaw something, millions of people are going to instantly seek it out just because it's banned.

ThePythonicCow

9th March 2017, 07:35

It would have been better if someone besides David Duke did the interview, but I can understand why many would not want to talk to King in the first place.
One advantage to Duke doing this interview - the interview is less likely to be taken down by Youtube. Duke has such a bad name that getting an interview with him probably does more harm for one's reputation than good :).

gigha

9th March 2017, 07:40

Thanks Paul just downloaded the PDF

BMJ

9th March 2017, 08:12

I've just finished watching The Greatest Story Never Told and had my perspective wrenched from a place it's been too comfortable too long.

Actually, it wasn't comfort, it was numbed out confusion.
At first I thought you meant Lana Corrine Cantrell's book "The Greatest Story Never Told: A Scientific Inquiry into the Evidence of the Fall of Man from a Higher Civilization in Antiquity (http://a.co/d7Stcqi)."

Cantrell's book is also available in the Avalon Library (all 1054 pages of it): Dr Lana Cantrell - The Greatest Story Never Told.pdf (http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Dr Lana Cantrell - The Greatest Story Never Told.pdf) (45 MBytes). This pdf, however, is a lower quality scanned copy of the paper book.

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But then I noticed you said "watched", not "read", so now I suppose you meant the following documentary "Adolf Hitler The greatest story Never told (http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/)":
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The Greatest Story NEVER Told!

Learn the untold story about the most reviled man in history. Adolf Hitler, The Greatest Story Never Told is a 6-hour Documentary by TruthWillOut Films.

This ground-breaking documentary chronicles the rise of Germany from defeat in World War I, to communist attempts to take over Germany; hyperinflation during the Weimar Republic, widespread unemployment and misery, and Adolf Hitler’s rise to power.

It also reveals a personal side of Adolf Hitler: who he was, his family background, his artwork and struggles in Vienna and what motivated him to come to power.

There’s so much hidden history to recount; FDR Pearl Harbor conspiracy, Soviet brutality, betrayal and treachery on all sides. Do we really know the true cost of war? Do we really possess all the facts?

Watch this series and uncover the real root causes of World War II. Do your own research and decide what you choose to believe. Think differently.

Visit the Official Website: http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv

Incomplete Summary:
47min Balfour declaration, 1916
49min Jewish International Trade Embargo, 1933
54min Haavaka Agreement / The Transfer Agreement
57min Hitlers Jewish army
1 Hour The cause of WW2
1.07hr Danzig massacre
1.16hr Molotov - Ribbentrop pact, 1939
1.18hr Allied refusal of offers of peace, May 1940
1.32hr Communist expansion actions
1.43hr The Jesse Owens myth
1.55hr Pearl Harbour, December 1941
1.59hr Ukraine, September 1941
2.02 Ustashe / bleiburg massacre
2.11 Russian cossacks in the balkans

Missed about two hours a bit of a history lesson, talks about the SS at about the 3 hour mark

4.13 Berlin, 1945
4.19 German surrender
4.20 Bleiburg massacre, Austria 1945
4.24 Operation Keelhaul
4.30 Allied liberation of POW camps
4.43 Confessions by torture / The London Cage
4.47 Nuremberg trials
4.50 Concentration camps
5.06 Concentration camps investigation
5.42 The real reason for starting the war
5.55 General Remer - In conversation with Adolf Hitler
6.00 German soldiers explain why they fought in the war
6.07 Operation Thunder - Communist plans to invade western europe, 1940
6.11 LIST OF SOURCES FOR THE DOCUMENTARY

A real eye opener, as you know the victor writes the history and it is a massive lie.

Ewan

9th March 2017, 09:39

I'm looking forward to reading this Paul, and watching that BMJ/Norman.

ThePythonicCow

9th March 2017, 16:23

Someone wrote me, a couple of hours ago, saying:

I'm increasingly wary of some of the political sentiments being expressed here lately. I regard them as being dangerous. I mean, specifically, sentiments which have the effect of recasting Hitler and Nazism in a noble light. And in the current context of the rise of alt-right movements in America and Europe these sentiments seem especially dangerous.

To be sure, none of us knows the full story of WWII or what the motives of all the players were. It is a much more complex topic than we're taught by any conventional history. And there is a need to investigate and to re-investigate it. There is a need to correct the record.

But in doing so, we have to be careful not to 'overcorrect'; we don't want to end up with a cure that's as bad or worse than the disease. Re-imagining Hitler as a noble knight, or citing interviews with David Duke, a former Clansman, is, for me, an example of overcorrection.
I come here not to praise Hitler, but to bury Roosevelt and Churchill (to twist one of Antony's lines (http://nfs.sparknotes.com/juliuscaesar/page_132.html) in Act 3, Scene 2, of Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar").

This is not a time to choose between Team Red and Team Blue (the colors now associated with the American Republican and Democrat parties, respectively.)

Both sides will present some useful evidence and insights when they expose the perfidy and cruelty of the other side. Typically neither side is honorable or furthering the best interests of humanity ... far from it.

Let us learn from the past, to better see through the grand lies of the present.

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(P.S. -- I oppose blatant censorship, as has done in Germany for "Holocaust Denial" literature since World War II, and as is now being done, on a more limited scale, with this "The Bad War" book, on Amazon, now.)

Ewan

9th March 2017, 17:50

That was an interesting read but badly let down by the style of writing.

Although he presents a quite clear depiction of the machinations involved in engineering the war unfortunately his frequent use of rhetoric and ad-hominem structure in several remarks result in the work being easily dismissed, (for a predisposed mindset), as agenda driven.

A variety of examples and some points:

The Katyn Forest Massacre in which 10,000 Polish Army officers are shot in the head.

Why would 10,000 oficers all be in the same place at the same time. It makes sense that there might be 10,000 troops, but not that they are all officers.

Referring to Einstein as the 'mad' scientist, (regardless of his ideologies), will produce an automatic negative reaction in many readers.

Jewish Money King Bernard Baruch and his 'puppet' FDR
It doesn't matter if this is factually accurate, in order to be given credence it needs presenting in a more appropriate manner.

'lunatic, drunken', cigar chomping Winston Churchill
The cigar-chomping, Zionist-owned, alcoholic Winston Churchill.
Churchill and his 'criminal' crew of Kingsley Wood & Anthony Eden
'Ignorant' British soldier laughs as he reads Hitler’s air-dropped peace leaflet.

I don't need to keep explaining these do I?

.PDF file Allied Intrigue in the Low Countries

http://utdr.utoledo.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1495&context=ur-87-68

Wendell Willkie Discusses War and Peace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c73Azpc8jeo

Wendell Willkie wins the nomination

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6cgJBnsMv4

A NYTimes piece of revisionist history? Published: December 19, 1987

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/12/19/opinion/in-praise-of-wendell-willkie-a-womanizer.html

It does rather look like he was another Carter/Obama, plucked from obscurity to serve a purpose.

Germany Must Perish (.pdf) by Walter N. Kaufman

http://bookzz.org/book/2530909/8a9ff8

"This dynamic volume outlines a comprehensive plan for the extinction of the German nation
and the total eradication from the earth, of all her people. Also contained herein is a map
illustrating the possible territorial dissection of Germany and the apportionment of her
lands."

Incredibly, at a time when America is supposedly "neutral", the hateful book is actually reviewed by The New York Times, Time Magazine and the Washington Post
Though not widely distributed in America, Germany Must Perish is read throughout Germany.

Propaganda Minister Dr. Josef Goebbels states:
“Thanks to the Jew Kaufmann, we Germans know only too well what to expect in case of defeat."

‘Germany Must Perish!’ will inspire the frightened German people to fight harder. Kaufman's
work, along with the deadly Jewish Partisan guerilla warfare against German troops, will
contribute to Hitler's decision to intern the Jews of occupied Europe into wartime work camps
later in 1941.

"Germany's propaganda chief, Joseph Goebbels, seized with delight on the book. "This Jew [Kaufman] has done a disservice to the enemy," Goebbels privately commented. "If he had composed the book at my behest he couldn't have done a better job."At his direction the German press played up Kaufman's call for genocide. A front page article about the book in the Berlin daily Der Angriff, July 23, 1941, appeared under headlines that called it a "Diabolical Plan for the Extermination of the German People" and a work of "Old Testament Hatred." Extracts also appeared, for example, in the nationally-circulated weekly paper Das Reich, August 3, 1941."

various sources, but largely from OP .PDF

For me, the most amazing and puzzling item was the continued use of the figure 6,000,000, first used I think nearly 40 years (or more) before WWII even began. Some kind of caballistic significance?

Ewan

9th March 2017, 17:57

Both sides will present some useful evidence and insights when they expose the perfidy and cruelty of the other side. Typically neither side is honorable or furthering the best interests of humanity ... far from it.

Let us learn from the past, to better see through the grand lies of the present. Spot on, though history shows us, repeatedly, that we (the wide populace) never learn from the past. Can I have three cheers for his story?

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(P.S. -- I oppose blatant censorship, as has done in Germany for "Holocaust Denial" literature since World War II, and as is now being done, on a more limited scale, with this "The Bad War" book, on Amazon, now.)

This is part of the problem, the other is that which manifests out of it. Namely that there is only one truth, only one accuracy - all else is calumny and lies!

6,000,000

6,000,000

Cry havoc!

Cardillac

9th March 2017, 20:02

ThePythonicCow

9th March 2017, 22:15

norman

9th March 2017, 22:59

@Paul

re: video: 'the greatest story never told'-

as I live in Germany when I clicked on this link: "this video is not available in your country"-
I placed this six (6) hour documentary in the Avalon Library: Documentary - The Greatest Story Never Told - Adolf Hitler.mkv (http://avalonlibrary.net/Documentary%20-%20The%20Greatest%20Story%20Never%20Told%20-%20Adolf%20Hitler.mkv).

The format I used (because that's what my Youtube downloaded used) is "mkv" - a Matroska container with the video and audio streams inside it. My Linux tools play that format just fine, but I'm not sure whether Windows users will easily find a video player that knows "mkv" yet.

If your windows machine won't play MKV files, search for and install the latest K-Lite Codec pack. Then you'll be able to play just about anything.

It's OK to select "Simple" installation at the start. That's what I do, otherwise I get bogged down in a long and deep process of choosing options. Untick the box for Classic Windows media Player though. It's a pet obsession of the person who put the pack together and I avoid it. I think you should too.

EFO

10th March 2017, 08:19

@Paul

re: video: 'the greatest story never told'-

as I live in Germany when I clicked on this link: "this video is not available in your country"-
I placed this six (6) hour documentary in the Avalon Library: Documentary - The Greatest Story Never Told - Adolf Hitler.mkv (http://avalonlibrary.net/Documentary%20-%20The%20Greatest%20Story%20Never%20Told%20-%20Adolf%20Hitler.mkv) (1.1 GByte).

The format I used (because that's what my Youtube downloaded used) is "mkv" - a Matroska container with the video and audio streams inside it. My Linux tools play that format just fine, but I'm not sure whether Windows users will easily find a video player that knows "mkv" yet.

VLC (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/) read many formats including .mkv and it works on Win XP,7 and 10.I don't know for Win 8 because I don't have this versions.

Thanks Pail for the book.It wait his turn in the line for reading.Regarding documentary,I was last night at 4:32 hrs mark when I forced myself to sleep.

I foresee an other long night.
Cornelius Rost story:
As Far As My Feet Will Cary Me (So weit die Füße tragen) 2001 - German language,English subtitled

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA0xJ57NwdQ

Ewan

10th March 2017, 18:40

As Paul stated above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96536-The-Bad-War-World-War-II-book-banned-on-Amazon&p=1139333&viewfull=1#post1139333) "...Both sides will present some useful evidence and insights when they expose the perfidy and cruelty of the other side. Typically neither side is honorable or furthering the best interests of humanity ... far from it.

Let us learn from the past, to better see through the grand lies of the present..."

From ''The Bad War'

The medieval and non-strategic German town of Freiburg is located just 20 miles from the French border. In the opening hours of the war in the west, new Prime Minister Churchill and his French allies waste no time in murdering civilians. About 60 bombs are dropped on or near
Freiburg; killing 50 civilians including 20 children who were playing outside. This was the
first bombing of civilians in World War II.
In order to whitewash this horrific deed from the pages of history; and to maintain the historical
myth that it was Germany that initiated the bombings of civilians; court historians have long
promoted the ridiculous lie that the Germans accidentally bombed their own town and then
blamed the event on the Allies in order to cover up the mistake. Subsequent terror bombings of
German civilians will dispel any doubt that Churchill was indeed capable of deliberately
exterminating civilians.

Here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Freiburg_on_10_May_1940) Wikipedia explains how the Germans bombed their own town.

The NCAP (http://ncap.org.uk/feature/destruction-freiburg) (National Collection of Aerial Photography) only reference a later Nov 1944 bombing. (Miraculously, Freiburg Cathedral survived the war largely unscathed.)

Again, 1944.

Freiburg Münster, 1944

From the RAF Bomber Command website

"27/28 November 1944
341 Lancasters and 10 Mosquitos of Nos 1 and 8 Groups
despatched to Freiburg. 1 Lancaster lost.
Freiburg was not an industrial town and had not been bombed before by the RAF.
It was attacked on this night because it was a minor railway centre
and because many German troops were believed to be present in the town;
American and French units were advancing in the Vosges,
only 35 miles to the west.
The marking of the medium-sized town was based on Oboe
directed from caravans situated in France.
Flak defences were light and 1,900 tons of bombs
were dropped on Freiburg in 25 minutes.
Photographs showed that the railway targets were not hit
but that the main town area was severely damaged."

Oboe was a radio navigational system using two, separated transmitters
(the caravans in France) which measured a signal's round trip time
and thus the distance to and position of transponders on the Mosquito Pathfinder bombers.
Supposedly Oboe was very accurate, despite the fact that the railway targets were not hit.
The Mosquito, by the way, was made of wood
and should have been hard to see with the German radar of the time.
An early form of stealth bomber.

Fortunately, for Ms Lust, the Münster and all posterity
the stained glass windows of the cathedral had been removed for their safety.
The open stone lattice work of the cathedral reduced its risk from blast waves
and the medieval use of lead ties to hold the spire blocks together
allowed them to absorb the vibration.

Note the two columns in the market place in front of the Münster.
They stand there today.

http://www.stevefulghum.com/themes/roadtrips/Germany/Freiburg/Freiburg_Muenster_1944_700x800.jpg

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At the WorldFutureFund website there is an article (http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/war.crimes/World.war.2/Bombing.htm) that states -

"The Prime Minister said that we hoped to shatter twenty German cities as we had shattered Cologne, Lubeck, Dusseldorf, and so on. More and more aeroplanes and bigger and bigger bombs. M. Stalin had heard of 2-ton bombs. We had now begun to use 4-ton bombs, and this would be continued throughout the winter. If need be, as the war went on, we hoped to shatter almost every dwelling in almost every German city. " (Official transcript of the meeting at the Kremlin between Winston Churchill and Josef Stalin on Wednesday, August 12, 1942, at 7 P.M.)

"The destruction of German cities, the killing of German workers, and the disruption of civilized community life throughout Germany [is the goal]. ... It should be emphasized that the destruction of houses, public utilities, transport and lives; the creation of a refugee problem on an unprecedented scale; and the breakdown of morale both at home and at the battle fronts by fear of extended and intensified bombing are accepted and intended aims of our bombing policy. They are not by-products of attempts to hit factories." -- "Air Marshal Arthur Harris, Commander in Chief, Bomber Commander, British Royal Air Force, October 25, 1943 quoted in Tami Biddle, Rhetoric and Reality in Air Warfare: The Evolution of British and American Ideas about Strategic Bombing, 1914-1945 (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 2002), p. 220.

Is the deliberate mass murder of civilians on a huge scale ever justified? This article does not have an answer for this question. However, it is important to note that this was a very specific goal of England and America in World War II as the quotes above show. Germany and Japan also bombed civilians but the scale of what they did was a tiny fraction of their opponents. More people died in the bombing of Hamburg alone that in the entire German bombing campaign against England. Was the Anglo-American bombing necessary or moral? Many serious military experts feel it was a poor choice in terms of military priorities. What follows is documentation from both sides.

There are numerous good links within the above page, for instance, British Statements on Bombing (http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/war.crimes/World.war.2/Bombing.htm#BRITISH%20STATEMENTS%20ON%20BOMBING)

There are also several quality posts within the following page regarding 'Who started bombing civilians?' (https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=8172)

-example quote-

http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/Churchill/ ... plies.html

..........the British, by their own admission, initiated unrestricted bombing of civilian areas ought to merit for them membership in the select society of "war criminals." The unbelieving reader need only consult the testimony of the British officials J. M. Spaight and Sir Arthur Harris, for incontrovertible proof of this charge. A decision of the British Air Ministry made on May 11, 1940, to attack targets in Western Germany instituted the practice of bombing purely civilian objectives. This "epoch-making event," as F. J. P. Veale correctly describes it, marked an ominous departure from the rule that hostilities are to be limited to operations against enemy military forces alone. Spaight, former Principal Secretary of the Air Ministry, makes the following amazing comment on the decision of May 11, 1940:
Because we were doubtful about the psychological effect of propagandist distortion of the truth that it was we who started the strategic bombing offensive, we have shrunk from giving our great decision of May 11, 1940, the publicity it deserves. That surely was a mistake. It was a splendid decision.
But the "great decision," the "splendid decision" of May 11, 1940, which was ultimately to cost the lives of millions, including thousands of Mr. Spaight's own countrymen, was to have an even more grisly sequel, for, according to Sir Charles Snow who had charge of selecting scientific personnel for war research in Great Britain in World War II, F. A. Lindemann, a Cabinet member and confidant of Churchill, produced in early 1942 a remarkable Cabinet paper on the subject of the strategic bombing of Germany:
It described, in quantitative terms, the effect on Germany of a British bombing offensive in the next eighteen months (approximately March 1942-September 1943). The paper laid down a strategic policy. The bombing must be directed essentially against German working-class houses. Middle-class houses have too much space round them, and so are bound to waste bombs.
One wonders if it was the cultivated humanitarianism inherent in this decision to assure the death of more working class Germans per bomb which entitled the Allies, and in particular the British, to sit in moral judgment on German leaders at Nuremberg in 1946!

Elsewhere, during the Spanish War, before WWII started in earnest it is said the Luftwaffe destroyed the Spanish town of Guernica (http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/guernica.htm).

The German bombers appeared in the skies over Guernica in the late afternoon of April 26, 1937 and immediately transformed the sleepy Spanish market town into an everlasting symbol of the atrocity of war. Unbeknownst to the residents of Guernica, they had been slated by their attackers to become guinea pigs in an experiment designed to determine just what it would take to bomb a city into oblivion.

The Condor Legion in action
over Spain, 1937
Spain was embroiled in a convulsive civil war that had begun in July 1936 when the right-wing Nationalists led by General Francisco Franco sought to overthrow Spain's left-wing Republican government. It did not take long before this bloody internal Spanish quarrel attracted the participation of forces beyond its borders - creating a lineup of opponents that foreshadowed the partnerships that would battle each other in World War II. Fascist Germany and Italy supported Franco while the Soviet Union backed the Republicans. A number of volunteers made their way to Spain to fight and die under the Republican banner including the Abraham Lincoln Brigade from the United States.

Hitler's support of Franco consisted of the Condor Legion, an adjunct of the Luftwaffe. The Condor Legion provided the Luftwaffe the opportunity to develop and perfect tactics of aerial warfare that would fuel Germany's blitzkrieg through Europe during 1939 and 1940. As German air chief Hermann Goering testified at his trial after World War II: "The Spanish Civil War gave me an opportunity to put my young air force to the test, and a means for my men to gain experience." Some of these experimental tactics were tested on that bright Spring day with devastating results - the town of Guernica was entirely destroyed with a loss of life estimated at 1,650. The world was shocked and the tragedy immortalized by Pablo Picasso in his painting Guernica.

Each side will be less than honest in admitting to their crimes, and eager to demonstrate the crimes of the other. I'm not sure tracking down an absolute truth is even possible without years and years of effort.

We only need to be aware they all lie and avoid getting sucked into taking sides, (and I'm reminding myself there as much as anything).

Cardillac

10th March 2017, 20:12

@Paul/norman/Ewan

many thanks for this incredible link-

although I haven't yet read the M.S. King book in its entirety (I ordered it it a long time ago before before Amazon deleted it) but have skimmed some things: there are some things stated in this book that are falsehoods; 1st of all, if researchers David Icke, Peter Levenda, Greg Hallett and Mike Sparks are to be taken seriously, 'Hitler' (fake name) was a bastard Rothschild and he wasn't born in a family named "Hitler";

before this topic is to be completely understood (WW2 seems to be the most complicated era of history) please do read:

"Hitler Was a British Agent"- Greg Hallett

"Ratline"- Peter Levenda (about where Hitler most probably ended up)

"James Bond is Real"- Mike Sparks- about how Hitler was rescued and transported out of Berlin (very complicated scenario) by a team headed by...

Ian Fleming

all sources are fascinating reads and they all dove-tail-

please be well all-

Larry

Johnny

10th March 2017, 20:27

And here is the book cover:

http://thepythoniccow.us/The_Bad_War_Mike_King_Book_Cover.jpg

and here is the book : http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9462-Interesting-Free-Books-in-PDF&p=1139602&viewfull=1#post1139602

Johnny :)

Foxie Loxie

10th March 2017, 20:27

Some present day truth.....Germany will not allow David Icke to speak in their country, even after a venue was booked. Why? :confused:

Cardillac

10th March 2017, 20:55

@Foxie

as I live in Germany I find most Germans to be an extremely open, receptive people so I don't understand for one second why Icke's event is being blocked in this country; I'm completely baffled-

Larry

Cidersomerset

10th March 2017, 21:23

I don't understand for one second why Icke's event is being blocked in this country

Its not the German people , probably pressure or intel groups in the wake of Brexit
and muslim immigration etc....I just posted a recent article from James on the
Vault 7 and this recent vid below was on the link part of one of his Q & A shows.
Then I noticed Pauls thread and your post Larry so decided to post it .....In fact
although published recently it is from around 2013 and may well have been posted
before.

Classic Dot connecting as David would say or just coincidence....LOL

"Hitler Was A Rothschild" -James Corbett

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Published on 17 Feb 2017

"All wars are banker wars". Thus, history's heroes and villains are bank puppets.

http://www.maebrussell.com/About%20Ma...

"Hitler and the central banks" Mullins
https://youtu.be/JWcTAOjkEik

"Wall St and the rise of Hitler"
https://youtu.be/3sCpsq55uic
http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Su...

Dunkirk
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/59...

Bushes & Nazis
https://www.corbettreport.com/episode...

ThePythonicCow

10th March 2017, 22:19

and here is the book : http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9462-Interesting-Free-Books-in-PDF&p=1139602&viewfull=1#post1139602

Johnny :)

The book "The Bad War" by Mike S. King is also the primary topic, with link to full pdf provided, in the opening post of this thread :).

A Voice from the Mountains

10th March 2017, 22:49

I come here not to praise Hitler, but to bury Roosevelt and Churchill (to twist one of Antony's lines (http://nfs.sparknotes.com/juliuscaesar/page_132.html) in Act 3, Scene 2, of Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar").

This is not a time to choose between Team Red and Team Blue (the colors now associated with the American Republican and Democrat parties, respectively.)

Both sides will present some useful evidence and insights when they expose the perfidy and cruelty of the other side. Typically neither side is honorable or furthering the best interests of humanity ... far from it.

Exactly. There were no "good guys" during WW2. There is another book out called "No Simple Victory" which details this without even having to touch on the issue of the Holocaust, which should be no sacred cow either.

Even if we accept that 6 million Jews really were exterminated, the same academics put Stalin as having killed about 20 million of his own people, which is over three times as many murdered civilians than those "officially" attributed to the Holocaust. Yet Stalin was on our side of the war, and we were the "good guys" in too many people's eyes.

The British and Americans committed war crimes as well, as did the Japanese and probably every other major combatant in some way or another. The Americans and British intentionally fire bombed cities in Germany, killing tens of thousands of civilians. We also mistreated many surrendered German soldiers and starved them to death, in pretty much the same manner as the inhabitants of the concentration camps were starved to death. But at least the Germans had a convenient excuse for starving their prisoners: Germany in the final months of the war was in a state of internal chaos and even soldiers and free civilians were starving, let alone their prisoners of war. The same couldn't be said for the allied military which had more than enough supplies, including luxury rations of cigarettes and chocolate.

I think it's funny when people are afraid of discussions like this and honestly I also think it's a bit cowardly. Wanting to shut down these kinds of fact-based discussions is kind of like wanting to run to an intellectual "safe space" where someone doesn't have to worry about the discomfort of being faced with unpalatable facts and the prospect of critical thinking. I don't see how Europeans can even consider themselves to have free speech when they shut down any Holocaust discussion and even threaten people with prison over it. That alone should tell people that something is off with the entire situation.

Johnny

11th March 2017, 01:24

About the 6 million jews:

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Johnny :)

Hervé

11th March 2017, 01:49

^^^ This content is not available on this country domain ^^^

Voilà!

EFO

11th March 2017, 05:36

^^^ This content is not available on this country domain ^^^

Voilà!

Perhaps AVC (http://www.any-video-converter.com/) will help you to download and watch youtube content.

Johnny

11th March 2017, 07:03

Here is a comment from the uploader to the video:

TheTrans22 2 years ago
Well people it now seems that action has been taken against my video, my video is now banned in Martinique, Poland, Mayotte, Israel, Italy, Reunion, France, Switzerland, French Guiana, French Polynesia, French Southern Territories, Germany, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Austria, Netherlands, New Caledonia, Guadeloupe, Czech Republic, Wallis and Futuna.

and

TheTrans22 1 year ago
I've just received notice from Youtube that this video is now blocked in Austria, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Germany, France, French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Israel, Italy, Martinique, New Caledonia, French Polynesia, Poland, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Reunion, French Southern Territories, Wallis and Futuna, Mayotte

You could try the TOR browser if you want to see the video : https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en

I saw the video about 1½ years ago and I will never forget it, that bombardment of the constant number of 6 millions jews we all have heard through our life,

and then it started many years before the ww2.

I must stress that with this post I do not say that there not has been a kind of holocaust under the ww2.

Johnny :)

Hervé

11th March 2017, 15:44

On censorship in France: Look who's paranoid now! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67181-Look-who-s-paranoid-now-)

EFO

11th March 2017, 18:51

Perhaps the following video will work:

6,000,000 LIES!!! THE GREATEST HOAX IN HISTORY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAtVKLATABM

ThePythonicCow

12th March 2017, 04:13

About the 6 million jews

^^^ This content is not available on this country domain ^^^

Here is a comment from the uploader to the video:

TheTrans22 2 years ago

Well people it now seems that action has been taken against my video, my video is now banned in Martinique, Poland, Mayotte, Israel, Italy, Reunion, France, Switzerland, French Guiana, French Polynesia, French Southern Territories, Germany, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Austria, Netherlands, New Caledonia, Guadeloupe, Czech Republic, Wallis and Futuna.

and

TheTrans22 1 year ago

I've just received notice from Youtube that this video is now blocked in Austria, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Germany, France, French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Israel, Italy, Martinique, New Caledonia, French Polynesia, Poland, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Reunion, French Southern Territories, Wallis and Futuna, Mayotte

I uploaded the video to the Avalon Library: SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938.mp4 (http://avalonlibrary.net/SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938.mp4)

ThePythonicCow

12th March 2017, 04:17

From these articles: Amazon Bans ‘Holocaust Denial’, shreds and incinerates thousands of books (https://www.darkmoon.me/2017/amazon-bans-holocaust-denial-shreds-and-incinerates-thousands-of-books/), and
Amazon Mass-Bans Dissident Materials (http://codoh.com/library/document/4266/),I am learning that Amazon has banned hundreds more Holocaust books.

ThePythonicCow

12th March 2017, 08:31

JChombre

12th March 2017, 14:07

Foxie Loxie

12th March 2017, 18:01

A Voice from the Mountains

12th March 2017, 20:17

Hervé

12th March 2017, 22:51

In Rockefeller's favorite terminology: "Down with the competition!":

British Saved Hitler from German Army Coup in 1938 (https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/03/British-saved-hitler-from-German-army-coup.html)

March 12, 2017
(Updated from November 2, 2014)
by Henry Makow Ph.D

In May 1938, when Hitler announced his intention to invade Czechoslovakia, the German General Staff feared a world war that would destroy Germany. They decided to place Hitler in a mental asylum.

All they needed was confirmation from England that it would assist Czechoslovakia. The British dithered. Instead of taking a stand, they sabotaged Germany's resistance to the Nazi plague.

Ludwig Beck, the Chief of the German General Staff observed: "Through yielding to Hitler, the British government will lose its two main allies ,the General Staff and the German people."

The simplest and best opportunity to avoid calamity was lost. The Illuminati wanted world war to increase their power and wealth, and to destroy Germany in advance of their satanist World Government. The Illuminati were not going to allow their creation, Adolf Hitler, to be overthrown.

"You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism," Churchill is quoted as saying, "but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest."
(Emrys Hughes, Winston Churchill, His Career in War and Peace p. 145)

[...]

Full article: https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/03/British-saved-hitler-from-German-army-coup.html

JChombre

12th March 2017, 23:13

Whew! What a lot of info to digest! :facepalm: I am trying, in a simple manner, to "understand" these world affairs realizing that we as a nation have been programmed by the press & our public education to accept the narrative as they have fed it to us. Since joining Avalon I have at least learned that "nothing is as it seems" & am thankful for the access we have to others' research.

It seems that whomever our ultimate controllers might be, the script here on earth has been guided & manipulated to achieve a certain outcome & we have been used as pawns in a chess game. Who we truly are has been kept from us, purposely. It appears that we have corporate powers that act as nation states. It would seem the British East Co. would have been an example of that. Please correct me if I am wrong! I have gotten the sense that the nation of Israel is actually a Rothchild invention & that the Mossad is their army? :confused: And....underlying everything is this...."Follow the money"! :cash::cash:

Glad you're back, JC! :clapping:

Thank you so much Foxie. I'm probably not the right person to provide you some information about the Rothschild, Israel and Mossad... I am aware of these entities but I am honestly not focused on conspiracy theories, or on who controls who... And the reason for my lack of interest is that I'm not capable of controlling or directly affecting what's going on in the convoluted world of conspiracy theory. So I spend very little time and energy there.

I am more focused in my inner self. I am very much interested in keeping my inner light brightly lit up all the time; and I'm also interested in maintaining my inner self in peace and balance all the time. I do a lot of meditations/prayers, and visualizations. I will start doing tai chi again once I get better.

Be well.

JC

ThePythonicCow

13th March 2017, 02:33

Here's a longer investigation in to the origins of the "six million" number. This video, based on Don Heddesheimer's book The First Holocaust (http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1012), explores this issue in depth. It discusses sources from the 1800s and from the time prior to, during and after the FIRST World War claiming that six million Jews were about to be exterminated in a "holocaust."
If it ends up that this video cannot be viewed by someone who wants to see it, either because it's banned in your country, or because Youtube takes it down entirely, I have a copy of it, and could upload that copy to the Avalon Library.

Here's a Summary slide from this youtube video:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Summary_The_First_Holocaust_Screenshot_2017-03-12.jpg
After this Summary slide, the narrator then goes on to observe that propaganda warning of the extermination or murder of six million Jews has been going on since the 1800's, to motivate war and to collect money.

The narrator concludes the video with this comment:

Thank-you for taking the time to watch this presentation.

We hope you enjoyed it and learned something about the mendacity of the mass media when it comes to stirring up the world's nations into waging war and causing violent civil unrest, revolution, and other means of more or less violent forms of regime change.

The book on which this presentation was based can be found at http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=6

ThePythonicCow

13th March 2017, 03:20

Richard A. Widmann, author of some works investigating the Holocaust, has published on codoh.com, the website of the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust, an essay commenting on Amazon's banning of many Holocaust books: The Temperature at which Books Burn (http://codoh.com/library/document/4285/?lang=en).

His essay begins:

============

For twenty years, I have been commenting on how the themes and plot of Ray Bradbury’s dystopian tale of book-burning Fahrenheit 451 are coming to pass. My initial article on this subject was entitled, “How Fahrenheit 451 Trends Threaten Intellectual Freedom.”[1] My friend, Bradley Smith initially published it on the original CODOH Website in 1997. From then, it was revised and reprinted several times. In 1998 it was translated and published in German. It was also included in the Greenhaven Press Readings on Fahrenheit 451 as part of their Literary Companion Series.[2] The article was also published in the short-lived journal The Revisionist[3] where it was distributed to college students as an insert in their campus newspapers. Ironically professors and students on the campus of St. Cloud University chose to burn the offending journal.[4] Indeed, acts of book burning and censorship are a threat to today’s supposedly democratic societies and our notions of intellectual freedom.

On 7 March of this year, I received the first of many emails announcing that Amazon.com had banned the sale of “all Holocaust revisionist books.” The move by Amazon was clearly designed to quiet an organized campaign against the on-line retailer for the sale of such inconvenient titles. A quick Google search revealed dozens of recent articles and editorials criticizing Amazon’s sale of what was being deemed “Holocaust denial books.”[5] Perhaps the most prominent voice in the latest call to remove such titles for sale was that of the Yad Vashem Holocaust museum in Israel. Yad Vashem apparently made their demand in light of “the presence of anti-Semitism around the globe.”[6]

As I researched the matter I found that one publisher alone (Castle Hill Publishers) had 68 print books and 72 Kindle books removed from sale. At first it was difficult to determine the full magnitude of Amazon’s action since when a book is removed from sale, it literally vanishes without record. Amazon’s EBook Subsidiary (Kindle) contacted Castle Hill on 6 March and informed the proprietor that several titles were in violation of their content guidelines.[7] The ludicrously vague guidelines include this statement on offensive content, “What we deem offensive is probably about what you would expect.”[8] It is worth noting that other publishers were likewise impacted by Amazon’s action and that several titles that are no longer available dealt with subjects other than the Holocaust.
============

He concludes the essay:

============

In 2017 the silencing of ideas, whether spoken or written occurs without the flamethrowers of Ray Bradbury’s firemen. Indeed, it occurs without smoke or fire at all. The advances of technology have relegated actual burning of books and, at times, their authors to the dustbin of history. In our modern commercialized and digital age, content may be “burned” with the click of a mouse. The book that is not found on the Internet, for all practical purposes, does not exist. It is worth noting that the mainstream media avoided even mentioning that the recent banning occurred.

While the title of Bradbury’s novel refers to the actual temperature at which book paper catches fire and burns, we may also think of the figurative temperature of the social or political climate. Social climate typically refers to the general attitudes, beliefs and opinions of a society. Political climate refers to attitudes about contemporary political issues. The onset of “political correctness” in the US has resulted in the shunning of dissenting and inconvenient ideas.[14] College students are far less open to free speech for those with unpopular opinions than they were in the 1970s.[15] Several controversial speakers had college-speaking engagements disrupted with violent protests this year. UC Berkeley suffered over $100,000 damage when violent protestors blocked Milo Yiannopoulos from speaking.[16] At Middlebury College in Vermont, hundreds of students shouted down Charles Murray, one of the authors of The Bell Curve (1994) to prevent him from speaking.[17]

Indeed, the social “temperature” in the United States is a burning hot 451 degrees Fahrenheit. Dissident ideas may be burned with abandon. Free speech seems to be little more than comfortable speech. There are few voices that would argue, as did John Stewart Mill in his classic On Liberty:[18]

"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."

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ThePythonicCow

13th March 2017, 03:26

.
A somewhat less erudite (than Richard A. Widmann, above) but more action focused Lisa Haven is also pissed:

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I’VE HAD ENOUGH! Time To Tick Off Google, Facebook &
Big Brother For Censorship! Here’s HOW!

JChombre

14th March 2017, 00:00

Right now, what we need more than anything else in this country is forgiveness, compassion, humility, understanding, and courage.

That's what we would like, but instead we have BLM and Antifa guys with bandanas covering their faces beating people in the street, and when they are arrested for it they claim they were also just exercising free speech.

There is a difference though, because speech actually is protected, even if you don't like it.

Violence is not "free speech." Neither is trying to start an insurrection against a duly-elected leader, a man who was fairly elected under the rules that everyone understood going into this, that have always been our rules.

A posteriori, your posts are inconsequential for me; therefore, my system is set so that I don't read them.

However, I am making an exception here this time because I would like to make some suggestions to you.

I would like to suggest that you go deep inside in your inner sanctuary, and introspectively look at your life.

In this introspection, your objective will be to figure out why you are perpetually manifesting pus filled with hate and negativity viruses, in your life in the 3D world.

Once you have figured out what the root cause(s) of your issues are, then hopefully you will be able to address them at the soul level; and consequently, change your life in 3D.

Remember that we create our reality, as we learned from Jane Roberts in the Seth's books.

However, if you don’t know how to go inside and do inner work, then I would suggest that you seek help from a competent spiritual or psychiatric counselor.

In effect, through your seemingly boisterous and obnoxious behavior, you are really begging and crying for help. Anyone who is involved in this channel can attest to that.

What is sad here is that your family and you are the main victims of your nasty, demented behavior.

Here at Avalon I can put you on my "Ignore List", and never hear from you again. However, you don't have an "Ignore List" for yourself and neither does your family.

So, help yourself and those who are dear to you by proceeding as suggested above. It is never too late.

Be well.

JC

P.S: I am not interested in some type of back and forth argumentation with you. This message is final.

ThePythonicCow

14th March 2017, 03:08

A posteriori, your posts are inconsequential for me; therefore, my system is set so that I don't read them.

However, I am making an exception here this time because I would like to make some suggestions to you.

I would like to suggest that you go deep inside in your inner sanctuary, and introspectively look at your life.

In this introspection, your objective will be to figure out why you are perpetually manifesting pus filled with hate and negativity viruses, in your life in the 3D world.

I trust that the one whom you address so impudently will take your advice for what it's worth, and not a farthing more :).

BMJ

14th March 2017, 03:42

Just an interesting side note when I in high school back in the mid 1980's amongst the compulsory books were both "1984" and "Fahrenheit 451".

Ewan

14th March 2017, 09:46

That was an interesting read but badly let down by the style of writing.

Although he presents a quite clear depiction of the machinations involved in engineering the war unfortunately his frequent use of rhetoric and ad-hominem structure in several remarks result in the work being easily dismissed, (for a predisposed mindset), as agenda driven.

A variety of examples and some points:

The Katyn Forest Massacre in which 10,000 Polish Army officers are shot in the head.

Why would 10,000 oficers all be in the same place at the same time. It makes sense that there might be 10,000 troops, but not that they are all officers.

Referring to Einstein as the 'mad' scientist, (regardless of his ideologies), will produce an automatic negative reaction in many readers.

Jewish Money King Bernard Baruch and his 'puppet' FDR
It doesn't matter if this is factually accurate, in order to be given credence it needs presenting in a more appropriate manner.

'lunatic, drunken', cigar chomping Winston Churchill
The cigar-chomping, Zionist-owned, alcoholic Winston Churchill.
Churchill and his 'criminal' crew of Kingsley Wood & Anthony Eden
'Ignorant' British soldier laughs as he reads Hitler’s air-dropped peace leaflet.

I don't need to keep explaining these do I?

Ewan, thank you for reviewing some of the information presented in this thread. I cannot imagine watching a 1.5-hour video of the material that you are describing, just to get a pro-nazi spin of WW2.

Obviously, a skunk is a skunk no matter how well-groomed it looks, or how much perfume it wallows itself into.

The view of WW2 history expressed in david duke interview (under the guise of freedom of speech, or as an attempt to uncover the truth) will always be welcomed by those who share his ideology.

Unfortunately, this view goes hand-in-hands with the anti-immigrant and anti-semitic mass psychosis currently experienced here in the US.

Consequently, it is right and very much appropriate that some concern be expressed in this thread since innocent people are been killed in the US because of their uniqueness! And no, this is not fake news!

In addition, besides those who share duke’s beliefs, there is no doubt that the rest of the world cares not to receive history lessons from this individual.

Frankly at this point, the US pendulum is swinging in the unhealthy domain where extremists dwell and thrive.

Ben Rich might have been right when he said that “we now have technology to take ET home. “ However, spiritually, we have a long way to go.

Right now, what is needed to start the healing process in this country is forgiveness, compassion, humility, understanding, and courage.

David duke and his followers do not embody these attributes.

Be well.

JC

The reason I would watch however many hours of those videos is precisely the reason you seemingly wish to avoid them. History as presented to me over the years, and generally available to all in the west, has a pro-allies spin. It is not necessarily an accurate history, and in certain specifics may be outright deceitful. I don't wish to hold a one-sided inaccurate view of history as that would colour all my thinking and judgement.

One can only arrive at correct conclusions when one has all the information. (Leaving aside the fact we are unlikely to ever have all the information).

I had never heard of David Duke before his name was mentioned in this thread, nor have I ever listened to a word he said.

We forgive on an individual level, and perhaps all it takes is 100 individuals to change the future. Worry not about the rest.

Foxie Loxie

14th March 2017, 17:19

I had understood that David Duke was a high up in the KKK? :confused:

JChombre

14th March 2017, 23:29

That was an interesting read but badly let down by the style of writing.

Although he presents a quite clear depiction of the machinations involved in engineering the war unfortunately his frequent use of rhetoric and ad-hominem structure in several remarks result in the work being easily dismissed, (for a predisposed mindset), as agenda driven.

A variety of examples and some points:

The Katyn Forest Massacre in which 10,000 Polish Army officers are shot in the head.

Why would 10,000 oficers all be in the same place at the same time. It makes sense that there might be 10,000 troops, but not that they are all officers.

Referring to Einstein as the 'mad' scientist, (regardless of his ideologies), will produce an automatic negative reaction in many readers.

Jewish Money King Bernard Baruch and his 'puppet' FDR
It doesn't matter if this is factually accurate, in order to be given credence it needs presenting in a more appropriate manner.

'lunatic, drunken', cigar chomping Winston Churchill
The cigar-chomping, Zionist-owned, alcoholic Winston Churchill.
Churchill and his 'criminal' crew of Kingsley Wood & Anthony Eden
'Ignorant' British soldier laughs as he reads Hitler’s air-dropped peace leaflet.

I don't need to keep explaining these do I?

Ewan, thank you for reviewing some of the information presented in this thread. I cannot imagine watching a 1.5-hour video of the material that you are describing, just to get a pro-nazi spin of WW2.
JC

The reason I would watch however many hours of those videos is precisely the reason you seemingly wish to avoid them. History as presented to me over the years, and generally available to all in the west, has a pro-allies spin. It is not necessarily an accurate history, and in certain specifics may be outright deceitful. I don't wish to hold a one-sided inaccurate view of history as that would colour all my thinking and judgement.

One can only arrive at correct conclusions when one has all the information. (Leaving aside the fact we are unlikely to ever have all the information).

I had never heard of David Duke before his name was mentioned in this thread, nor have I ever listened to a word he said.

We forgive on an individual level, and perhaps all it takes is 100 individuals to change the future. Worry not about the rest.

I would like you to know that I have absolutely nothing against you or anyone who is learning about WW2 from the axis perspective. I am a lifelong student of history, so I clearly understand why you are interested in the nazi side of WW2.

In fact, I learned about this topic many years ago, in the 1980s. I did not spend countless hours watching pro-nazi tapes, I was not interested in becoming an expert in this field. However, among other things, I watched Das Boot; an excellent movie, and learned a lot from it.

I posted in this thread because I was frankly appalled that in the extreme polarized atmosphere that exists currently in the US, an ignominious character like david duke is introduced here at PA to teach us WW2 history. This absolutely blows my mind!

Another thing that totally surprised me and blew my mind away but in a positive way, is that prior to this thread, you knew absolutely nothing about this individual. This really surprised me because I thought that everyone knew about him.

However, the fact that you knew nothing about him is a good thing. It means that your feedback of his tape is more accurate because your judgement carries no bias against him from prior experience or knowledge. And you reached the conclusion that his information could easily be dismissed…

Your post is begging that the following questions be asked:

Do people who live outside North America (US, Canada and Mexico) really understand what’s going on here in the US?

Do they have the information required to make informed decisions or adequate judgement about what going on in the US?

Can someone who has never lived in the US for extended periods of time judge this country just from the information provided by Breithard and Fox News?

From my personal experience living in different continents and countries, I have learned that it takes about 5 years to learn a new language and/or assimilate a new culture. And one is fully assimilated when he/she can understand the jokes in the new language or culture.

I have read some highly divisive posts here and I absolutely disagree with them. There is more than enough division in this country now, I think it is time for people in the US to start looking into ways that can heal this nation.

I personally have issues with those who live abroad and seem to suggest that a civil war be waged in this country. I would like them to look in their backyard and make sure that everything is in order. Then, perhaps they will be in a position to make some suggestions about the US.

Be well.

JC

A Voice from the Mountains

15th March 2017, 03:40

A posteriori, your posts are inconsequential for me; therefore, my system is set so that I don't read them.

However, I am making an exception here this time because I would like to make some suggestions to you.

Paul summed up my sentiments before I could respond myself.

If you are too enlightened to even engage in discussion with me then I'm too enlightened to care for your one-way sermons, because you obviously have only contempt for me. Not sure what kind of spirituality that's supposed to represent.

Btw my family are all Trump supporters too, so they understand me completely, unlike many on the other side of the aisle, such as yourself, who have no interest in even listening.

I understand JChombre likely won't even see this message, but maybe someone else of the modern leftist persuasion will see a bit of their movement or even themselves in JChombre and can take the opportunity to reflect on how it isn't productive to talk down to those you disagree with in a self-righteous and condescending way. Especially when you're trying to preach some kind of system of enlightenment. That just makes the whole thing that much more sad.

A Voice from the Mountains

15th March 2017, 03:47

The reason I would watch however many hours of those videos is precisely the reason you seemingly wish to avoid them. History as presented to me over the years, and generally available to all in the west, has a pro-allies spin. It is not necessarily an accurate history, and in certain specifics may be outright deceitful. I don't wish to hold a one-sided inaccurate view of history as that would colour all my thinking and judgement.

You're absolutely right, and I realized just how bad this really could be when I considered that, without the Internet, all of the garbage that the MSM publishes would have become accepted history for the times we're living in now. We know better most of what they're selling (they are corporations after all), but in the past how would people have known any different?

The history we read is largely just the MSM of the past.

Thomas Jefferson said that those who read newspapers are more ignorant than those who don't, so I guess even back in his day it was pretty bad.

BMJ

15th March 2017, 04:25

Re: "The Bad War" - World War II book banned on Amazon (Update Post 32: More books banned).

The other scary thought beyond the obvious censorship of different opinons as demostrated by amazon.

Is the fact that with a growing reliance on electronic media and decline of hard copy documents we also have the threat that electronic media itself presents, that is, that history and other documents can be rewritten easily when it is in soft copy.

So we need to also preserve hardcopies of history books and other documents, because they cannot be inflitrated like a PC or servers and altered at will.

(FYI we know of the mandela effect).

Foxie Loxie

15th March 2017, 17:49

I agree, BMJ.....let's hear it for LIBRARIES!! :Party:

Chakra

15th March 2017, 18:15

Re: "The Bad War" - World War II book banned on Amazon (Update Post 32: More books banned).

The other scary thought beyond the obvious censorship of different opinions as demonstrated by amazon.

Is the fact that with a growing reliance on electronic media and decline of hard copy documents we also have the threat that electronic media itself presents, that is, that history and other documents can be rewritten easily when it is in soft copy.

So we need to also preserve hard-copies of history books and other documents, because they cannot be infiltrated like a PC or servers and altered at will.

(FYI we know of the mandela effect).

Though I totally agree with the sentiment, censorship is a huge issue especially with what is taught in school have you ever read a hard copy history book in school? Like as an interest - NOT as in - did you even go to school kinda thing. For example I only buy the really old books on UFO stories (at second hand stores) the new ones are annoyingly filtered.

Anyways - It's all history totally rewritten with the censorship of the publishers of which there are few and used entirely throughout US and Canada like these guys....

"Pearson PLC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson_PLC) is a British multinational publishing and education company headquartered in London. It was founded as a construction business in the 1840s. It shut down its construction activities in the 1920s and switched to publishing. It is the largest education company and the largest book publisher in the world.[3][4] Pearson has a primary listing on the London Stock Exchange and is a constituent of the FTSE 100 Index. It has a secondary listing on the New York Stock Exchange in the form of American Depository Receipts."

"Publishing business: 1920s to 1990
In 1919, the firm acquired a 45% stake in the London branch of merchant bankers Lazard Brothers, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazard) an interest which was increased to 80% in 1932 during the depression years. Pearson continued to hold a 50% stake until 1999.[14] In 1921, Pearson purchased a number of local daily and weekly newspapers in the United Kingdom, which it combined to form the Westminster Press group.[5]

In 1957, it bought the Financial Times[5] and acquired a 50% stake in The Economist. It purchased the publisher Longman in 1968.[5]

The company was first listed on the London Stock Exchange in 1969.[5] It went on to buy paperback publisher Penguin in 1970,[5] and in 1972, children's imprint Ladybird Books. In 1986, Pearson invested in the British Satellite Broadcasting consortium, which, a few years later merged with Sky TV to form a new company, British Sky Broadcasting (BSkyB).[15]"

"Pearson Higher Education
Pearson Higher Education was created when the Higher Education businesses from Pearson International and Pearson North America were merged in 2013. They provide textbooks and digital technologies to teachers and students across Higher Education. Pearson's higher education brands include eCollege, Mastering/MyLabs, Revel, online tutoring (Smarthinking), and Financial Times Publishing."

Ya I think they control pretty much everything that is in schools and libraries for sometime, digital or hard copy and on the news.

A Voice from the Mountains

15th March 2017, 20:04

Another reason Amazon sucks that was on the Drudge Report today:

Amazon is going to kill more American jobs than China did

Millions of retail jobs are threatened as Amazon’s share of online purchases keeps climbing

Amazon's revenue has been growing at more than 20% a year.

Amazon.com has been crowing about its plans to create 100,000 American jobs in the next year, but as with other recent job-creation announcements, that figure is meaningless without context.

What Amazon /quotes/zigman/63011/composite AMZN +0.04% won’t tell us is that every job created at Amazon destroys one or two or three others. What Jeff Bezos doesn’t want you to know is that Amazon is going to destroy more American jobs than China ever did.

Amazon has revolutionized the way Americans consume. Those who want to shop for everything from books to diapers increasingly go online instead of to the malls. And for about half of those online purchases, the transaction goes through Amazon.

For the consumer, Amazon has brought lower prices and unimaginable convenience. I can buy almost any consumer product I want just by clicking on my phone or computer — or even easier, by just saying: “Alexa: buy me one” — and it will be shipped to my door within days or even hours for free. I can buy books for my Kindle, or music for my phone instantly. I can watch movies or TV shows on demand.

But for retail workers, Amazon is a grave threat. Just ask the 10,100 workers who are losing their jobs at Macy’s. /quotes/zigman/467976/composite M -2.05% Or the 4,000 at The Limited. Or the thousands of workers at Sears /quotes/zigman/95136/composite SHLD -0.45% and Kmart, which just announced 150 stores will be closing. Or the 125,000 retail workers who’ve been laid off over the past two years.

https://secure.marketwatch.com/story/amazon-is-going-to-kill-more-american-jobs-than-china-did-2017-01-19

Someone needs to start looking into anti-trust laws. Mr. Jeff Sessions?

EFO

16th March 2017, 06:45

This (45 sec.) is a part of a little longer clip.
A refugee woman dressed in mixed military men pieces of uniform:boots-trousers-shirt.
Watch her left eye.
Freeze clip at 0:32 mark and watch her left hand.
What this Human suffered from other human/s?

Good enough to stand against,boycott,sabotage and/or fight against any kind of war and or thoughts of war in any part of the world or elsewhere or we need more?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT0YgjwEQjw

After 1945 we have:
-Corea
-Vietnam
-Egypt
-Palestine
-Israel
-Lebanon
-Iran
-Afghanistan
-Chechnya
-Moldova
-Ethiopia
-Liberia
-Argentina
-Cambodia
-Irak
-Ukraine
-Syria
and many,many other "fine revolutions" all over the world.

And all these "to make the world a better place". Interesting way of doing.

ThePythonicCow

21st March 2017, 01:43

Here is an extended interview of Mike King, the author of the above book, by David Duke:
A couple of Avalon's long standing members have quietly suggested to me that I should not have posted this interview of Mike King, because the interviewer, David Duke, is (my paraphrasing) so racist that no good can come of giving anything he says or does any standing. It's also been suggested to me that Hitler was so evil that (my paraphrasing again) I would be well advised to never say anything good about him. Even if it were true that Hitler had a dog who liked him, I should best never mention that either.

===

My present (no doubt changing) view is that the occult (truly hidden from plain sight) elite bastards who have treated humanity with such a heavy hand for so many millenia are currently working through a number of blood-line families, secret societies, intelligence agencies, major and/or central banks, major corporations (defense, agriculture, news media, pharmaceuticals, energy, ...), universities and churches. Some of these families and institutions are what might be called fascist, some zionist, and so forth. I see a major line of continuity between Germany's World War II fascist/nazi regime under Hitler, and the Nixon/Kissinger/Bush/Clinton/Obama/... dominant political families and individuals in the US over the last half century. Former President George H.W. Bush's father, Prescott Bush, was a major supporter of Hitler, and to this day, the destruction of the Ukraine national government over the last two or three years carries forth the same "Nazi" inspired radical violence, under covert NATO and US State Dept direction.

The "main stream" view is that Hitler was an extraordinary and exceptional case of evil, and that the Democrats vs Republicans in the US has been just a case of ordinary politics, conducted by sometimes decent, sometimes unusually deceitful and scummy politicians. However there is (supposedly) such a great difference between the level of evil of a Hitler, versus say a Kissinger, that to label Kissinger a Nazi is a conversation stopper, not a point of discussion worthy of further consideration. When the more partisan on one side of the current political divide put Hitler mustaches on pictures of a leader of the other side, this is intended to provoke a visceral disgust with that leader (in some viewers) and typically also provokes a visceral disgust with such over the top rhetoric in viewers of the opposite persuasion.

Calm thinking and research into whatever truth might lie beneath the mountain of lies we're constantly being fed pretty much ceases, for those on either side, once the "He's Hitler" meme is spat in our faces.

The images of a fascist Hitler, or a racist David Duke, or an anti-Semetic radical Muslim, are energized weapons of mass mental destruction.

Certain individuals and groups are turned into mental cyanide for the consciousness of humanity. They are made into pariahs, able to empty any room, any forum thread, of considered thought and careful research.

===

Thus is the banning of books justified to the public. Thus is the continuity of the evils manifest under such banners as fascism, and the deep ties of present day leaders to those evils, hidden from our collective view, behind such stink bombs assaulting our collective consciousness.

In a similar vein, investigating whether the majority of such dastardly elites are male is denounced as sexist, or whether it is (apparently) more common for the agents of the dastardly elite to come from Jewish ancestry than from, say, Methodist ancestry, is denounced as being anti-Semetic. Such charges are yet more examples of ways in which polarizing emotional appeals and accusations are used to derail careful consideration of the complex, layered, ever changing, situations in which we find ourselves.

===

The remedy, in my rather firm view, is to continue to discuss, continue to honor the free speech and independent views of others, and continue to defuse these emotional stink bombs, rather than pussy foot around them.

When the vultures of war have sown my land with mines, I do not pussy foot around those areas of my land, hoping not to step on any of them (well, being a wimp, I might do that for a little while.) Rather I hire, or learn to become myself, a good sapper (bomb defuser), to locate and remove the landmines. If I do not do thus, those landmines will doubtlessly remain, putting the lives of my children and grandchildren at risk.

I suggest (strongly encourage) not avoiding the most explosive topics, but rather studying them slowly and carefully, as one would examine an unexploded bomb, the better to defuse it, without blowing too much up.

===

Let us work together, to defuse some of the landmines of the mind that have been sown about the mental landscape of humanity oh these many eons.

A Voice from the Mountains

21st March 2017, 02:04

The "main stream" view is that Hitler was an extraordinary and exceptional case
The remedy, in my rather firm view, is to continue discuss, continue to honor the free speech and independent views of others, and continue to defuse these emotional stink bombs, rather than pussy foot around them.
[...]
Let us work together, to defuse some of the landmines of the mind that have been sown about the mental landscape of humanity oh these many eons.

Great post Paul.

Turkey's leader Erdogan is in the news now for saying that Germany is behaving like the Nazi regime again, and the topic is so taboo in Germany that German officials don't even know how to respond. It's like their brains are melting down at the emotional overload, because, as you say, the topic has become emotionally charged to the point of shutting down any critical thought. Hitler has become a caricature of evil personified outside of all proportion to Stalin or Mao or Pol Pot or Hirohito or any number of other examples of brutal dictators.

I was talking to a Russian friend of mine and was shocked to learn that many people actually still look back to Stalin as a sort of national hero, and have no shame about him. This is the man who is supposed to have killed more than three times as many innocent people as Hitler.

If peoples' emotional reactions were proportional to the actual amount of innocent lives these kinds of leaders have taken, comparisons to Stalin should generate more than 3 times the amount of outrage as comparisons to Hitler, and comparisons to Mao should generate much more outrage. But it doesn't work like that because emotions and calm logical reasoning are two completely different things. Politicians are better at manipulating peoples' feelings than they are hard facts.

Reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvGmOZ5T6_Y

Obviously these people are at the height of their mental faculties. Right?

BMJ

21st March 2017, 13:46

Calm thinking and research into whatever truth might lie beneath the mountain of lies we're constantly being fed pretty much ceases, for those on either side, once the "He's Hitler" meme is spat in our faces.

The images of a fascist Hitler, or a racist David Duke, or an anti-Semetic radical Muslim, are energized weapons of mass mental destruction.

Certain individuals and groups are turned into mental cyanide for the consciousness of humanity. They are made into pariahs, able to empty any room, any forum thread, of considered thought and careful research.

The remedy, in my rather firm view, is to continue discuss, continue to honor the free speech and independent views of others, and continue to defuse these emotional stink bombs, rather than pussy foot around them.

I suggest (strongly encourage) not avoiding the most explosive topics, but rather studying them slowly and carefully, as one would examine an unexploded bomb, the better to defuse it....

Fantastic summary Paul, and I second your sentiments. :clapping:

Certain individuals and groups are turned into mental cyanide for the consciousness of humanity. They are made into pariahs, able to empty any room, any forum thread, of considered thought and careful research.

An example of the case in point regarding your post #4 video "Adolf Hitler - The Greatest Story NEVER Told".

I posted this back in 7/22/2016 at the time I thought it would be controversial and interesting point of discussion, I waited and waited and all I could hear was the sound of silence.

I realized soon enough I had over stepped a community boundary and this topic was a taboo subject. (But I do not regret posting this video at all).

Link: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91989-CLASS-101-One-People-Round-Table-19-7-16-The-Rabbit-hole-starts-here.......&p=1083374&viewfull=1#post1083374

Truth is a victim of politics and so humanity suffers for this injustice.

Hervé

21st March 2017, 15:49

Looking closer into those sold as "War Heroes"...

'Winston Churchill is no better than Adolf Hitler,' states Indian politician Dr Shashi Tharoor (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/winston-churchill-adolf-hitler-no-better-shashi-tharoor-indian-politician-post-colonialist-author-a7641681.html)

Maya Oppenheim The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/winston-churchill-adolf-hitler-no-better-shashi-tharoor-indian-politician-post-colonialist-author-a7641681.html)
Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:44 UTC

https://www.sott.net/image/s19/385089/large/shashi_tharoor.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s19/385089/full/shashi_tharoor.jpg)
© Rohit Jain Paras

Dr Tharoor, a former Under-Secretary General of the UN, says the blame for the Bengal Famine rests with Churchill

'Churchill has as much blood on his hands as Hitler does,' says author

An Indian politician has said Winston Churchill is no better than Adolf Hitler and the two leaders have equivalent amounts of "blood" on their hands.

Dr Shashi Tharoor, whose new book Inglorious Empire chronicles the atrocities of the British Empire, said the former British Prime Minister should be remembered alongside the most prominent dictators of the twentieth century.

Dr Tharoor, a former Under-Secretary General of the UN, said the blame for the Bengal Famine rested with Churchill. In 1943, up to four million Bengalis starved to death when Churchill diverted food to British soldiers and countries such as Greece while a deadly famine swept through Bengal.

"This is the man who the British insist on hailing as some apostle of freedom and democracy," the author said of Churchill at a launch of his book. "When to my mind he is really one of the more evil rulers of the 20th century only fit to stand in company of the likes of Hitler, Mao and Stalin".

"Churchill has as much blood on his hands as Hitler does," the Indian MP said. "Particularly the decisions that he personally signed off during The Bengal Famine when 4.3 million people died because of the decisions he took or endorsed."

"Not only did the British pursue its own policy of not helping the victims of this famine which was created by their policies. Churchill persisted in exporting grain to Europe, not to feed actual 'Sturdy Tommies', to use his phrase, but add to the buffer stocks that were being piled up in the event of a future invasion of Greece and Yugoslavia".

"Ships laden with wheat were coming in from Australia docking in Calcutta and were instructed by Churchill not to disembark their cargo but sail on to Europe," he added. "And when conscience-stricken British officials wrote to the Prime Minister in London pointing out that his policies were causing needless loss of life all he could do was write peevishly in the margin of the report, 'Why hasn't Gandhi died yet?'"

Talking about the Bengal famine in 1943, the Prime Minister who led Britain to victory in World War Two, said: "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits."

Dr Tharoor, a former Indian government minister, rose to prominence after his impassioned speech at the Oxford Union in July of 2015 went viral. In the address, he discussed the economic toll British rule took on India.

He said: "India's share of the world economy when Britain arrived on it shores was 23 per cent. By the time the British left it was down to below four per cent. Why? Simply because India had been governed for the benefit of Britain. Britain's rise for 200 years was financed by its depredations in India."

"In fact, Britain's industrial revolution was actually premised upon the de-industrialisation of India."

Dr Tharoor recently gained headlines for suggesting Britons suffer "historical amnesia" over the atrocities and plunder committed by the empire.

Foxie Loxie

21st March 2017, 21:36

"The Greatest Story Never Told" is no longer available due to Epic Elites! :confused:

BMJ

22nd March 2017, 10:35

"The Greatest Story Never Told" is no longer available due to Epic Elites! :confused:

Hi Foxie,
If you are mentioning the video I referred to in post #57, that video is exactly the same as the video in post #4. As you suggested it's not something tptw want anyone to see and it gets censored often. :sun:

ThePythonicCow

16th April 2017, 20:14

In the last five weeks that this thread has been up, about half of all hits (2575 out of 5471) to the AvalonLibrary.net have been for this one book, Mike King - The Bad War - The Truth Never Told About World War 2 - Version 2.pdf (http://avalonlibrary.net/more_ebooks/Mike King - The Bad War - The Truth Never Told About World War 2 - Version 2.pdf) (49 MBytes, 261 pages), as posted in the opening post of this thread.

Tangri

16th April 2017, 21:18

@Paul

re: video: 'the greatest story never told'-

as I live in Germany when I clicked on this link: "this video is not available in your country"-

Germany is the most censored country in the world-

Larry
For later troubles,
Download Tor browser , copy and past youtube link, you will be able to access, but don't make full screen to watch.

Lazarus

20th December 2020, 18:19

Author of The BadWar MS King, challenged anyone to refute any of the books content offering a financial reward if they were successful. I have read version one and retain it for reference, this 2nd version will be most welcome. Pity his books are not available hard copy in the Uk.
I recommend highly his Mad British Dog book ( banned ) which actually added to my knowledge after reading David Irving’s fascinating Churchill’ War vol 1 & 2. ( banned available on Irving’s site )
May I also recommend The Myth of German Villiany ( banned of course ) it’s there on Google search as a free PDF. This book is in a similar vein to The Bad War and is valuably additive.

Ewan

20th December 2020, 18:36

Mad Dog = Excellent read (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29754646-the-british-mad-dog) I will check my library when I have time, I am sure I have a copy.