The Truth about "Alien Abductions" (and much else) from a young Military Insider

[Atlas]

"During my time, I've had multiple occasions where I was told that the things that I had just seen did not exist..."
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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

He speaks a lot of sense, and to my mind a great deal of truth, at least as I know it. He was doing really well, until he said 'there are no aliens'.

I beg to differ, I think many Avalonians will. Perhaps he simply did not encounter anything of this reality in his tours of duty - mundanity is probably the norm if you consider the thousands that serve. Ultimately people only really know what they know, because they've been exposed to it. But it is strange for someone who supposedly had his level of clearance. It could be an example of how effective they are duping people, even ranking military personnel, into false systems of belief. Either that or this vid is a clever blend of truth and disinfo. As time goes by it gets more and more difficult to tell.

[7alon]

This guy is lying about most of the stuff he says. His body language is quite deceitful. I don't think I even saw him accessing visual memory once.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

This guy is lying about most of the stuff he says.

Quite possibly yes, as far his experiences and background goes. But the truth I was referring to was his assessment of power hungry elites, the decline of civilization, and the recognition of sovereign human spirit/consciousness. Other details aside, I cannot dispute these realities.

[East Sun]

I, for one, do not believe this guy.

Dis-info comes to mind, right off the bat.

[sheme]

I Felt his sincerity I couldn't hit on his motives unless it was stress overload. I believe he believes what he said. We know it is all "Need to know" info so may be he just didn't need to know. Also his eyes told us all of his anticipated victimhood.

Just caught the end of the video and hear him speak of his brain tumour and life expectancy also his cancer history. I hope he knows he is immortal.

[awakeningmom]

This guy is lying about most of the stuff he says.

Quite possibly yes, as far his experiences and background goes. But the truth I was referring to was his assessment of power hungry elites, the decline of civilization, and the recognition of sovereign human spirit/consciousness. Other details aside, I cannot dispute these realities.

I didn't get that he was lying. I felt that the first part of the video, where he spoke of his own experiences in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. working on "missions that didn't exist" in "lands that were not on (authorized) maps" was him speaking from true experience.

It was only the second half, where he was asked to give his opinion on who rules the world and what's really going and what hope we have (if any) against the ruling families that he got into speculation and reliance on other sources he's likely mined -- just like the rest of us.

I am sure his experiences in the military, where he saw what the military actually does to us ordinary people in order to test and maintain their own control/power capabilities (e.g., electronic harassment, fake UFO's, wars that are not really about what the public thinks, etc), has given him a unique and deeply cynical view of the world. I did think it was interesting, however, that sometimes he seemed to be saying that the military is doing things to "get us where we need to be as a species," which sounds positive, and other times he seemed to suggest that none of what they are doing is for the benefit of the common man/woman, which doesn't sound very good for us at all.

I always wonder about military personnel who engage in these types of black project missions and what narrative they must have to believe in order to do the dirty work they do against the rest of humanity.

[Omni]

Some very good sources out there have not yet figured out the ET situation(not saying this guy is a good source). The operations of impersonating ETs and inventing the contactee jargon serves to make insiders think ETs do not exist here because the military and CIA are definitely deceiving the alt crowds with electromagnetic mind control programs related to them. The rabbit hole goes deeper as most Avalonians know.

I respect the guy though. He seems like he is trying to inform people. He just still has some rough corners to the real picture. Everyone has their own piece of puzzle.

[Builder]

This guy is lying about most of the stuff he says. His body language is quite deceitful. I don't think I even saw him accessing visual memory once.

People have different modalities of remembering stuff. I also almost never use visual memories. What I could make out is that he is accessing feelings when talking about his personal experiences (very short on that) and auditory information when talking about high level concepts (most of the interview). So I guess the high level concepts are not his, but what he heard other people say.

[Bill Ryan]

This guy is lying about most of the stuff he says. His body language is quite deceitful. I don't think I even saw him accessing visual memory once.

I'd suggest it's more like he's being pretty guarded, although he always answers every question: he's constantly choosing his words carefully, referring to a whole menu of fairly general items but rarely going into detail that would cross over into classified territory.

His attitude is one of someone who's angry that he's been lied to, deceived, and used, and has come to understand the real picture that he's pretty sure he's figured out for himself. Because he probably only has a few years to live, he's speaking out, and that felt real to me.

Many genuine whistleblowers talk like that. My guess is that Joe knows exactly what he can and can't [legally] say, and has to do a lot of rapid, real-time self-editing as he forms his sentences. He's certainly smart enough to think very quickly on his feet.

He's incorrect, of course, in his final statement about 'no aliens', but I'd not be convinced that invalidates everything else he shares — much of which is really extremely interesting. I'd recommend the video, and I'm intending to watch it a second time.

[Hym]

Sincere, without putting a gun to his head and doing it himself. Compartmentalization, internally and externally.

[7alon]

This guy is lying about most of the stuff he says. His body language is quite deceitful. I don't think I even saw him accessing visual memory once.

I'd suggest it's more like he's being pretty guarded, although he always answers every question: he's constantly choosing his words carefully, referring to a whole menu of fairly general items but rarely going into detail that would cross over into classified territory.

His attitude is one of someone who's angry that he's been lied to, deceived, and used, and has come to understand the real picture that he's pretty sure he's figured out for himself. Because he probably only has a few years to live, he's speaking out, and that felt real to me.

Many genuine whistleblowers talk like that. My guess is that Joe knows exactly what he can and can't [legally] say, and has to do a lot of rapid, real-time self-editing as he forms his sentences. He's certainly smart enough to think very quickly on his feet.

He's incorrect, of course, in his final statement about 'no aliens', but I'd not be convinced that invalidates everything else he shares — much of which is really extremely interesting. I'd recommend the video, and I'm intending to watch it a second time.

My apologies to everybody, I honestly don't know what came over me when I said this. I've been doing a bit of regression and its bringing out some unusual feelings. Anyway. I watched the entire video this time (like I bloody well should have) and yes I believe he is being sincere. During the latter part of the interview he does believe what he is saying, but I believe that it is due to what he feels he has learned, not his own actual experiences.

The first part he wasn't actually lying, he was thinking about how to construct what he knows in a manner where he isn't going to get himself in trouble. As Bill said, he is being guarded. Oh and in the latter part of the video he was actually accessing visual memory. I'm guessing he's recalling what he learned.

Oh man I don't know what came over me last night, that was absolutely irresponsible of me to be so irrational. Thanks for helping me get my head out of my rear guys. :facepalm:

[onawah]

From what I understand, military people often share with each other what they are forbidden to share publicly by their security clearances, and so even though this guy may not have experienced any ETs himself, it seems hard to believe that others he encountered in the military who have, did not share with him at some point.
Possible, but it seems unlikely to me.
Or possibly his memories have been erased, or he is suffering some other kind of mind control.

[7alon]

From what I understand, military people often share with each other what they are forbidden to share publicly by their security clearances, and so even though this guy may not have experienced any ETs himself, it seems hard to believe that others he encountered in the military who have, did not share with him at some point.
Possible, but it seems unlikely to me.
Or possibly his memories have been erased, or he is suffering some other kind of mind control.

I'd say that he may very well know people who have witnessed ufo incidents, but believes it is a psyop to distract society and that humans created the tech by themselves. He isn't the first to believe this. Bill Cooper ended up saying the same thing. I do disagree with both of them, though. He talks about this around 50 seconds into the video below.

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[lunaflare]

"Unite as a species", is the phrase that resounded for me. This guy came across as attuned and sensitive to our plight on earth at this time.
I gained strength from watching this; not fear nor despair (which is disabling). Thanks for posting.

[Omni]

RE: Engineered Demographics; They have a small demographic of ET believers that think they are all benevolent. Steven Greer etc. They have a large demographic that thinks all ETs are demons or evil. This is the Christian leaning crowd and similar crowds typically. They have a demographic thinking ET's do not exist or aren't around here (Scientism or some of these black ops guys that weren't given access to the top stuff). And finally, where I feel the truth is, there are both highly evil and very benevolent ETs.

[Eram]

This guy is lying about most of the stuff he says. His body language is quite deceitful. I don't think I even saw him accessing visual memory once.

I'd suggest it's more like he's being pretty guarded, although he always answers every question: he's constantly choosing his words carefully, referring to a whole menu of fairly general items but rarely going into detail that would cross over into classified territory.

His attitude is one of someone who's angry that he's been lied to, deceived, and used, and has come to understand the real picture that he's pretty sure he's figured out for himself. Because he probably only has a few years to live, he's speaking out, and that felt real to me.

Many genuine whistleblowers talk like that. My guess is that Joe knows exactly what he can and can't [legally] say, and has to do a lot of rapid, real-time self-editing as he forms his sentences. He's certainly smart enough to think very quickly on his feet.

He's incorrect, of course, in his final statement about 'no aliens', but I'd not be convinced that invalidates everything else he shares — much of which is really extremely interesting. I'd recommend the video, and I'm intending to watch it a second time.

My apologies to everybody, I honestly don't know what came over me when I said this. I've been doing a bit of regression and its bringing out some unusual feelings. Anyway. I watched the entire video this time (like I bloody well should have) and yes I believe he is being sincere. During the latter part of the interview he does believe what he is saying, but I believe that it is due to what he feels he has learned, not his own actual experiences.

The first part he wasn't actually lying, he was thinking about how to construct what he knows in a manner where he isn't going to get himself in trouble. As Bill said, he is being guarded. Oh and in the latter part of the video he was actually accessing visual memory. I'm guessing he's recalling what he learned.

Oh man I don't know what came over me last night, that was absolutely irresponsible of me to be so irrational. Thanks for helping me get my head out of my rear guys. :facepalm:

No man overboard 7alon.
Just some jumping to conclusions, like we all do from time to time. :hug:
And who's to say that your conclusions were wrong?
It's not like he brought any evidence to his claims after all.

I think he's honest and sincere though, but I can't be certain.

There must be thousands like him I guess.
People who seen things and been to places that are not meant for public eyes.
Must be pretty lonely to have knowledge of such big secrets and not allowed to share them with the public.


So in a nutshell, what I heard him say can be categorized into two groups.
- That what he saw and experienced first hand (The places that he's visited, the technologies that he's seen, the secret face of warfare, the corporate powers that behave like nation states etc)
- The story about humanity and live that he created with that knowledge, combined with his own research (the question of E.T.'s, how life should be, how humanity should live, our history, the history of the control structures, the origine of human technology etc).

The one things that stood out to me most is that according to his testimony, the president of the US has no clearance to secrets that even special sergeants in the military do have.
Pretty weird situation if true.

[Bill Ryan]

"Unite as a species", is the phrase that resounded for me. This guy came across as attuned and sensitive to our plight on earth at this time.
I gained strength from watching this; not fear nor despair (which is disabling). Thanks for posting.

Yes, I agree. I felt 'Joe' was centered, grounded, smart, aware, authentic, articulate and courageous. I'd be most interested to know if he ever released or stated anything else... this video was published 18 months ago.

(For anyone who's reading this but not seen the video, Joe talks about much more than just alien abductions... I took the liberty of amending the thread title just a little. I would really encourage folks to watch this.)

[Bill Ryan]

The one things that stood out to me most is that according to his testimony, the president of the US has no clearance to secrets that even special sergeants in the military do have.
Pretty weird situation if true.

Yes, that's correct. Aerospace black projects researcher Michael Schratt defined a Special Access Program in the following way. (This is my close paraphrase of his explanation in a conference presentation a few years ago)








A Special Access Program is such that if the President of the US asks about the program, the correct answer to give him is: "Sir, no such program exists."

[norman]

The one things that stood out to me most is that according to his testimony, the president of the US has no clearance to secrets that even special sergeants in the military do have.
Pretty weird situation if true.

Yes, that's correct. Aerospace black projects researcher Michael Schratt defined a Special Access Program in the following way. (This is my close paraphrase of his explanation in a conference presentation a few years ago)









A Special Access Program is such that if the President of the US asks about the program, the correct answer to give him is: "Sir, no such program exists."




That sort of explains what Gordon Duff wrote about Trump, not that I really believe Duff was telling the truth but it might be the smug superiority he wanted to inject. He said Trump asked for the FEMA camps to be made ready, but was told they don't exist.

[Eram]

The one things that stood out to me most is that according to his testimony, the president of the US has no clearance to secrets that even special sergeants in the military do have.
Pretty weird situation if true.

Yes, that's correct. Aerospace black projects researcher Michael Schratt defined a Special Access Program in the following way. (This is my close paraphrase of his explanation in a conference presentation a few years ago)








A Special Access Program is such that if the President of the US asks about the program, the correct answer to give him is: "Sir, no such program exists."



All with the interest of national security in mind no doubt.
Affording the president with the convenience of plausible deniability.
Those sweethearts.

I wonder if Joe could be tempted to say more about his current work for the Academi, to which Blackwater morphed.
He sounded like protection is only a part of the work.
I can't wait to learn more about the secret dealings of corporations and how it all ties in into the partially created global society.

George Webb is doing some excellent research on that matter atm.

[Bill Ryan]

A discussion this morning on the mods' running Skype chat:

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Bill: I've been really impressed with this full-on-camera interview with a young ex-military man called ‘Joe’, which Atlas found here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96567-The-Truth-about-Alien-Abductions-from-Military-Insider
It's about far more than abductions, and it really did catch my attention.

____ : I listened to the Joe interview and was quite impressed. Sad that he has not had any encounters with our universal friends, not yet anyway. :bigsmile:

_________ : I'm suspicious of "Joe" ... my current guess is that he's a damaged military guy, like Corey Goode, "sent" into the public view to deliver another spin on what's going on here on earth.

Bill: On 3/12/17, at 1:20 PM, _________ wrote:
> damaged military guy, like Corey Goode
^^ Yes, could well be.
The 'no aliens' part at the very end was nonsense, of course. But there was nothing in the rest that raised any flags (for me).
Double-edged sword. Much of what he said was carefully general, or just general enough (no names, dates, places...). That means much of that he said can't really be checked in detail. But equally, he may just have been self-protective and savvy, knowing exactly where the 'clearance' lines are.

____ : Joe said he had not long recovered from cancer but that he has a growth or something on his brain that is going to kill him in a few short years. I was not sure if he was blaming the military for those ailments?

Bill: That was the inference, for me. He seemed kind of pissed off, resolute, and resigned, all at once.

____ : He came over balanced and grounded. Not like Corey who lives in a fantasy land.

Bill: On 3/12/17, at 1:20 PM, _________ wrote:
> I'm suspicious of "Joe" ... my current guess is that he's a damaged military guy, like Corey Goode, "sent" into the public view to deliver another spin on what's going on here on earth.
^^ I do think that many of the claimed whistleblowers showcased (e.g. by Miles Johnston, 'Bases') are damaged goods, through no fault of their own. 'Henry Deacon' was even one of those. Very often, they're rejects from programs, or have dropped out somehow... they've malfunctioned in some way. The perfectly functioning, still-serving military assets would never be allowed to talk.

[ThePythonicCow]

The 'no aliens' part at the very end was nonsense, of course. But there was nothing in the rest that raised any flags (for me).
The 'no aliens' part actually did not raise a red flag for me. I too have never met an alien (to my present knowledge), and I have not reached a position on what sort of involvement with, or presence of, aliens we humans might have experienced or are now experiencing. I listen with amusement, like a European peasant might have listened to Marco Polo, telling strange tails of the far away Orient that he had traveled to. I presume that there is a "there there", but what it's true nature might be, I don't know, and may well never know in this lifetime.

One part that raises a flag for me is the sense of hopelessness his message offered - the bastards in power are so far ahead of us in technology, have so carefully planned for every imaginable contingency, and have been at this for so long, that it is a virtual certainty that we remain doomed to whatever they have planned. Like "Joe" himself, with his lung cancer and brain tumor ... we're doomed to a destiny not of our choosing.

My guess is that the struggle will continue, in perpetuity, and that propaganda that "we're doomed; surrender your will" is just about as meaningful as Mohammed Ali or Mike Tyson telling an upcoming boxing opponent that they have no chance and will be carried out from the ring feet first, unconscious. Only, unlike boxing, the human struggle seems to stretch out into the eons.

I suppose that "Joe" (and often others before him on similar missions) believes what's he's saying, but that he's far from being in a position to know the deeper truths of the situation that humanity finds itself in.

[Eram]

One part that raises a flag for me is the sense of hopelessness his message offered - the bastards in power are so far ahead of us in technology, have so carefully planned for every imaginable contingency, and have been at this for so long, that it is a virtual certainty that we remain doomed to whatever they have planned. Like "Joe" himself, with his lung cancer and brain tumor ... we're doomed to a destiny not of our choosing.



Paul, don't forget that this particular part of his testimony might very well be the end result of his own speculations.
The story that he's built with the facts that he can be sure of, combined with hear say, internet research, suspicions, whispers in the dark and his own (without meaning any harm) fantasy.

Just the fact that some upper elite groups have wet dreams about controlling the populace on every level and actually bring certain test cases in motion does not mean that they have the capability to carry them out full scale.

If we take for granted that he has indeed seen all that he claims to, then he still has only seen parts of the puzzle.
So claims that paint a hopeless picture might be just the delusions of a man who has seen too much and has had too little opportunity to step back and see a more realistic larger picture.


I personally don't think that the bips as you like to name them are all that powerful.
The election of Trump, Brexit and the rise of nationalism is proof of that.

[waves]

...... One part that raises a flag for me is the sense of hopelessness his message offered - the bastards in power are so far ahead of us in technology, have so carefully planned for every imaginable contingency, and have been at this for so long, that it is a virtual certainty that we remain doomed to whatever they have planned. Like "Joe" himself, with his lung cancer and brain tumor ... we're doomed to a destiny not of our choosing.

My guess is that the struggle will continue, in perpetuity, and that propaganda that "we're doomed; surrender your will" is just about as meaningful as Mohammed Ali or Mike Tyson telling an upcoming boxing opponent that they have no chance and will be carried out from the ring feet first, unconscious. Only, unlike boxing, the human struggle seems to stretch out into the eons.

I suppose that "Joe" (and often others before him on similar missions) believes what's he's saying, but that he's far from being in a position to know the deeper truths of the situation that humanity finds itself in.

I wonder if the hopeless thing is a ptb bluff and he's one of many in the military who have been manipulated/programmed with it, including as something they'd unwittingly help propagate if they ever came out like he is now.

But how powerful or future predicting accurate is this gigantic scary man behind the curtain really?

If in the 80's already the man behind the curtain had technologies 100 years ahead of what was disclosed and therefore god knows how much further ahead now and we've heard over and over that it has long included remote viewing, time travel, etc.... what about the fact that it sure appears that they completely missed the election of Trump!!

Accurate future foretelling powers would not only have seen Trump coming, the huge number of factors supposedly 'seen in the future' splaying out from his influence are now on completely different paths than if Hillary had won.

I have zero doubt about scary technologies way way ahead of public knowledge including mind mapping long in use, but despite it all, I suspect there's some huge vulnerability too that maybe can never be surmounted, just continually obfuscated, and a not so powerful man behind the curtain is just that.

[Patient]

But how powerful or future predicting accurate is this gigantic scary man behind the curtain really?

If in the 80's already the man behind the curtain had technologies 100 years ahead of what was disclosed and therefore god knows how much further ahead now and we've heard over and over that it has long included remote viewing, time travel, etc.... what about the fact that it sure appears that they completely missed the election of Trump!!

Accurate future foretelling powers would not only have seen Trump coming, the huge number of factors supposedly 'seen in the future' splaying out from his influence are now on completely different paths than if Hillary had won.

I have zero doubt about scary technologies way way ahead of public knowledge including mind mapping long in use, but despite it all, I suspect there's some huge vulnerability too that maybe can never be surmounted, just continually obfuscated, and a not so powerful man behind the curtain is just that.

The man behind the curtain could be very powerful indeed. Perhaps Trump is their intended tool to get rid of the old guard? Have you worked in or heard of a company that hires a new manager to fire all of the old managers and then they toss the new manager aside after he has done their dirty work?

I expect that anything is possible.

[Bubu]

I listened to about a 3rd of the video twice. first I tried to understand the words he is saying the second time I just observe. My conclusion is that this a scripted interview, the man is a liar and this is all fear porn.

"they got a million ways to kill you"
how many decades does it took them to kill Fidel Castro?
why the need to character assassinate Philippine president Duterte who is anti establishment. why not just kill him on his sleep and use one of those million ways to make it look like a heart attack.the man is old and sickly people will have no trouble believing including me.

this is a very poorly crafted scam.

they are not in total control and is losing control which is contrary to what is painted by Joe the witleblower

Its more difficult for me to read other races chinese Europeans Americans and blacks but this one is a Filipino

maybe he was adopted by a CIA for this purpose

he looks very similar to the respected Joe on Project Avalon... I hope not

[Ewan]

For a 'boots on the ground' kind of soldier he certainly seems to have been (un)fortunate in all his military placements. He learnt things everywhere he went it seems.

At the beginning it indicated Joe was adopted by an American military family after surviving his parents assassination. As I read that the thought MKUltra came to mind.

I conclude, like many other revelations, this is likely a mixture of truth and uncertainty.

[Curious77]

Star --

Thank you -- I abandoned the interview early on because of the feeling that the idea was being pushed that all the UFO's seen in our skies are run by our MIC. While probably true that Hitler was working with aliens (perhaps Draco-Reptilians which may now control the planet) and manufacturing UFO's -- and if he did continue on in Argentina, perhaps the UFO project moved to Antarctica/? also continued on. Certainly Hitler's level of insane confidence does suggest that he felt some power beyond himself.

Interviewer also seems to be pushing that idea overall. So I'd suggest this is total disinformation.
Let's remember, US is the nation which faked a moon landing because of their desire for supremacy and control.
Blanching at JFK's idea of joint space operations with the Russians and understanding that the Russians were 12 years ahead of us.
Even ignoring the reality that we haven't gone back to the moon for almost a half century now, there is nothing that could be said to have been gained from that alleged exploration which couldn't be done by unmanned craft.


Early on in NASA, the astronauts were said to be calling alien visitors the "Heinz57" but eventually it seems like they came to understand there are more than 300-400 species of known aliens. How many actually visiting us? How many bases from the Moon to below waterways?

What we have to understand is that intelligence isn't automatically sanity. And that we have insane people running our government.
Insane thinking behind the running of the planet overall.

Based on financial gain, the selling of drugs and controlling them will always be #1.
Running close behind is sexual enslavement of women, young males and children.
Today -- trafficking in organs has become a wide-spread business operation.
And, in general, all of these businesses use the same traffic patterns above and below ground
and in the air.
They all require the same protection by corrupted government.

[Mike]

If he'd simply said he didnt believe or personally think aliens existed, I wouldnt be harboring the suspicion I have now. It's his dogmatic assertion that "there are no aliens" that has me wondering a little.

-At around the 4:30 mark he's speaking of the endless contingency plans the men ruling the planet have put together......and one of these contingencies is for "alien attack".

-at another point he says that these sophisticated weapons we have are partiallly designed to "keep the planet safe"

...So he grants this ruling group a certain omniscience but seems to dismiss their notions of extraterrestrial life rather easily. It seems a little contradictory to me.

Joe seems like a spiritual man. He mentions human consciousness trancending the planet and soaring "into the stars". He uses terms like "spacetime" and "dimensionality". His awareness seems to encompass the enormity of the world conspiracy...and yet, it comes to a skidding halt when it comes to the idea of visiting aliens. Hmmmm...

He also claims to have above top secret clearance...and is clearly familiar with the milab experience. And despite all this, he's never come across any evidence of alien existence here on earth???

Something doesnt add up for me here. Ewan makes a good point with the possible MK Ultra connection.

[Jacqui D]

Okay Joe came across as sincere but then you have to think he is a military man and they are heavily programmed as we know, so he's mind has been messed with right there!! before you even consider the why's and wherefores of his statement. No aliens well perhaps his programming was part of this very interview to con you into thinking this very thing. Hey its a messed up world for sure, how ever he did say we were evolving people which then begs to differ to his statement if we are much more than this life here now what do we become? so what are aliens? lets think for a moment and i would assume the majority of members of this forum will know of what we call spirituality and science. Yes i do believe he could be right that many of abduction scenario's are just what he described and that is military interference. Is he right what he is saying maybe, there are so many now who want to tell you their truth it has become a regular pastime.