Why the main stream media got Trump elected - to divide Americans [Archive]

ThePythonicCow

17th March 2017, 00:51

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Donald Trump would never had a chance of being elected President of the US, had not the Main Stream Media (MSM) spent most of a year ridiculing and denigrating him. That was as intended.

Half of America (of those paying attention) are totally fed up with the Neocons, Libcons, Bushes, Clintons, McCains, ... They are the bane of our existence, the cause of perpetual wars that have killed or maimed millions over decades, the world's largest drug lords, destroyers of nations, pedophiles, human traffickers, the instigator of the theft of trillions of dollars of money, the power behind the toxins in our food, water, air, and medicines, the destroyers of the environment, and if not restrained, risk being the destroyer of human civilization.

The other half of America (of those paying attention) is just as fed up with Trump. He's an egomanical, lying, sexist, racist, buffoon ... with his finger on the "Nuclear Holocaust Button". He will soon be further tarred and feathered as the instigator of the worst financial, economic and monetary collapse in the lifetime of anyone under the age of about ninety years old. He's probably a frontman for the Zionists, and/or the Russians, more than he is for America. He's an out of control impetuous fool, who has no business being in the White House as a janitor, much less as the President.

Or so it all seems ... to one or the other half of those who are paying attention. Most Americans who are paying attention have a visceral reaction of antipathy and disgust, and/or fear, to one or the other (or both) of the (1) Bush-Clinton crime families, or (2) the new Trump regime.

This is all as intended, by the deep state ... the powers that have been manipulating humanity for millenia, and intend to continue doing so, long after any of us have passed on.

This would not have happened ... Trump would never have won the election ... had he not been ridiculed night after night in the TV news, day after day in the newspaper headlines, week after week in the major social media. One major social media, Twitter, provided him a platform to act out his part, written in small words to a large audience of millions, while the other major news and social media outlets fanned the flames of Trump hatred, non-stop, for a year. They're both still at it (Twitter and the other major news and social media outlets.) Trump is playing his role well, as a larger than life arrogant fool.

To quote a most excellent article posted today on Zerohedge, Loose Cannon, by Cognitive Dissonance (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-16/loose-cannon):

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Trump was ‘created’ by the Deep State via its controlled propaganda organ, the MSM, rather than a ‘spontaneous combustion’ per a popular outcry of disenfranchised citizens seeking none of the above. Simply stated, if the MSM had not vilified Trump at every turn, thereby turning Trump into a blazing Roman candle signaling him as nothing like the above and a rebel with a cause, Trump would once again have sunk into the ignored wasteland shared by every other alternative candidate before him.

The mainstream media is the controlling propaganda arm of the Deep State. It assumes no major policy or political stance without the expressed consent and direction of its controllers. It could have ignored and marginalized Trump just as it has done to every other contrary candidate since Ross Perot was ‘allowed’ to run back in 1992.

Trump is no accident or political escapee who blew up in the face of the MSM, nor the deep state for that matter. But that is precisely the propaganda meme being vigorously promoted via every glowing screen from sea to shining sea. Even the political right has taken the bait, endlessly repeating Trump the ‘rebel’ mind meme.

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So why would "they" (the real deep state) do this?

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What greater purpose, at least for them, is served erecting such a flawed and divisive candidate, then electing him to the highest office in the land?

In a word……control, as in continuing and near total.

While carefully hidden from the general public, the primary control mechanism of the Deep State (the fiat dollar as the world’s reserve currency) is rapidly waning in power and influence. Vast arrays of sleeping sloggers throughout the world are becoming increasingly aware of the corrosive financial policies directed against the many towards the few by the US and its captured co-conspirators. The zombie dead are slowly awakening.

A swirling feedback loop of additional financial excesses creating more social inequities could rapidly ignite in the Deep State’s lap if this explosive energy is not redirected towards division of the masses before they firmly unite.
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Tensions are building. We see that here on the forum. Most of us realize that much is at stake, that dastardly hands are at play, that destruction is wide spread on many fronts, and that it could get worse before (if) it gets better. Most of us feel, deep in our gut, that we have a big stake in how this turns out. Few of us can meditate quietly during the last few minutes of a Steven Spielberg movie thriller.

We are engaged, each in our various ways.

And we here on the forum are divided, six ways from Sunday, as can be seen in various tensions breaking in various ways.

This is as intended, by the deep state.

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Our King Dollar based monetary system of the last century is dying, our human labor based economic system of the last few millenia is dying, our King (Physics) and Queen (Astronomy) of the sciences for the last century are ripe for major overhaul, the depth and breadth of pervasive computation, communications, and robotics are sweeping over human civilization, and the century of petroleum based energy is coming to an end, to be replaced by what we know not yet. This is not just "change we can believe in" (Obama's campaign slogan). This is "change that can overwhelm us and threaten deep state control".

That's why the Deep State is playing the Trump card, fanning the flames of emotional division to a fever pitch.

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My grandfather was born in the time of horses and buggies. During his life, he saw two major World Wars, a world depression, and the widespread introduction of cars, radios, electricity, telephones, televisions and refrigerators to American households. The British Empire, upon which the sun never sat, declined into the sunset. The century of American Exceptionalism and world dominance arose. Computers, relativity, quantum mechanics and nuclear bombs and energy also birthed and came of age during his lifetime, though he knew less about those.

The youth of today will have a similar tale to tell, over the span of their lives.

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Do give the article Loose Cannon, by Cognitive Dissonance (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-16/loose-cannon) a read. It's good.

Karma Ninja

17th March 2017, 02:02

It's hard to imagine that anything that happens in the theater of American politics isn't carefully planned and then executed. Whether Trump's election was the intended result or a miscalculation it remains that the choices were preset and the results were ultimately easily foreseeable to those carrying out the grander plan. Sometimes people are blinded by looking to see how Trump's election fits into their version of the "plans being carried out behind the scenes". Perhaps most have overlooked that the "grand scheme" or the "master plan" carries on with no influence from whoever holds the title of President of the USA. The show must go on but the real action is happening behind the scenes. Everyone is focused on the bright flashy screens and have no time to drive around our neighbourhoods and witness what is really happening in our world today. Of course, this is all by design. This is the fraudulent interactive part for all of us in the audience. We falsely believe that our opinion affects the election which, in turn, affects our lives as citizens. The results are irrelevant and so is our choice in an election. We are just binding ourselves as slaves into the false system of control that enslaves us all.

No matter what one thinks... Donald Trumps victory was another persons design. The concepts of the Presidency are some other persons design. The character that Trump bases his personality on is some other persons design. The characterizations of his image are all some other persons design. The words we use to describe him are not our own. The energies that he feeds us are not our own. We are being offered Donald Trump as a choice and that choice is not our design. I don't even live in the country he is the leader of and yet I am almost forced to fall into the divide that his election has created. It's ALL some other person's design.

What I feel we should be focused on is a completely different solution with no input being offered from the keepers of a corrupt system. We need to silence the voices of our enslavement and hear the cries of our wounded but hopeful minds. We need to make these cries into something beautiful. Like music our voices should be heard in an uplifting and masterful song. Than we all have to keep singing until we drown out the voices of our controllers.

enigma3

17th March 2017, 02:14

I read that article earlier today. It is well worth the read and Zerohedge is one of my favorite sites. While I agree with much of what he says I disagree with his central thesis, that Trump is a hand picked Neocon candidate/president.

The alternative view is quite different. I ascribe to it. Trump sees the rot and filth. The man actually has some ethics and morals. I have read that Epstein once offered a young girl to the Trumpster and he immediately, with emphasis, told him NO. The Neocons have tried to get dirt on the man and could only come up with locker room talk. Compare that to the Paula Brodderick/ Bill Clinton story. He ran thinking he would do better that in 2012 and begin to get a coherent message (at least as coherent as he can say) across. He at first did not believe in himself. But we the people showed a spark of awakening in the first Republican primary. The Democratic one too with the Bernie vote. Trump whooped up on Jeb Bush. That was when I saw the Republican nominee. He beat all the talking heads and gained momentum as it rolled on. So the Neocons put 100 million into Jeb Bush's campaign, began the MSM assult, and tried their best to marginalize him. Nothing worked. Bush, the "chosen" candidate looked like Gumby. Trump slowly gathered decent people around him and he was off to the races. Before he wiped the table in the early primaries the MSM pretty much let him alone, not taking him seriously. I saw a voting map of the country and Hillary took the populous coasts and the beltway but nothing else. He appealed to the bottom 80%. Then came Anthony Weiner's laptop and Pedogate.

I see the Neocons, wealthy elites both here and abroad, MSM and perhaps even the Archons disliking Trump intensely. The degree of Satanism, pedophilia and all sorts of sordid behavior, the depth of it reported, used to surprise me. Not anymore. The New York City PD wanted badly to release some of what is on Weiner's laptop and Obama's Dept of Justice came down hard on them. I see no indication here of the Neocons selecting Trump.

The other biggie for me is the relationship between Trump and the military. This was hinted at before the election and showed its full force immediately after. I have read that the majority faction in the military detest the CIA, are true patriots to the Constitution and rule of law, and see that the Neocons are taking the country down the road to perdition. They made a compact with the Trumpster early on. Promised him they would have his back. And they have. They want to put the CIA in its place. If I read between the lines they would like to completely reset the CIA. Purge it big time and start over. Now, with the opening dump of 2% of Vault 7, they just might be able to pull it off. I remember the "earthquake" close to Washington DC not long ago. It was stated that the seismological signal was that of a nuke. Who did that??

I don't see the dots connected the way Cognitive Dissonance does. I see Weiner's laptop and Pedogate as the key that unlocks the Neocon's pandora's box. If they act on that it will happen soon as the Neocons would like to pounce with a coup d'etat. Reminds me in ways of the last months of JFK where the CIA tried to kill him at least twice before Dallas. And if they didn't kill him in Dallas the Billy Sol Estes case would have taken down LBJ within a week. If the Neocons don't take Trump out by the time the grand juries looking into Weiner's laptop are done it is game over for them. It feels like a major war brewing behind the scenes that will soon come to the surface. An exciting and perilous time to live in.

I do agree that the Neocons using the MSM are trying to divide and control us. No doubt about that.

Innocent Warrior

17th March 2017, 02:43

The deep state is highly adaptable and the choice between Clinton and Trump was a win-win situation for them, however, if their divide and conquer tactics continue to work we'll have nobody to blame but ourselves, not Trump, not the deep state, only ourselves. We need to take responsibility for ourselves and end the madness once and for all.

Bluegreen

17th March 2017, 02:53

"There are no accidents in politics."
- Joseph P Kennedy
www.jfklibrary.org/Research/Research-Aids/Ready-Reference/JPK-Fast-Facts/Quotations.aspx

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Helene West

17th March 2017, 02:54

Paul
First, congrats on successfully calling the rate hike yesterday!

I had posted a similar sentiment, though more short and simple just a few hours ago on another thread because I was going back and forth between a fox news story and a cnn reporter. It was so day and night on the same subject it hit me - It doesn't matter what either side is saying - It's not the point what each side is saying! - We think it matters but it doesn't - it only matters that we hate eachother.

Mainstream is conducting a Psy Ops that is so incredible - The Aim - that americans should be disabled to even speak to eachother anymore. When you see it clearly - you'll want to convey what you are seeing to others but you won't be able to. Large groups of americans have nothing to say to eachother because of this Psy Ops as each side has been made - The Other. The disdain is so great there is no inclination for communication, fellowship, nothing. And it's no longer subtle or sneaky - the elites, by allowing or arranging for the Trump presidency, have accelerated the program up to the Outright Venom Stage. What will be the next stage?

I began this last campaign as a lukewarm Bernie supporter until I saw he was running for second place and I got suspicious. I voted for trump at the last hour of my voting place though something didn't feel right about him either but I wasn't going to go clinton. In my dark moments I've quietly wondered if his purpose was to ultimately result in marginalizing and demonizing gentile and/or christian white (esp rural) americans. But why?

If you look at europe it is not muslims who make the decisions to let themselves in. It is the white ruling class who is islamifying europe and they must hate ordinary whites to do what they are doing to them and to european culture. They are white but feel No kinship with ordinary whites. It's a hard pill to swallow that the white ruling class does not identify with what we call western civilization. I've come to the conclusion that for the white ruling class to achieve their one world government ordinary whites must be either crushed if they persist as patriots or become as many young whites on the left, mind control victims who will throw the constitution out the window for some socialist carrot stick being waved before them.

When I read about Leftists Fight Clubs I see brainwashed young people, but whites particularly, being fashioned similar to the young chinese in the People's Revolution who killed over 90 million of their own. That is how successful propaganda can be. And they are doing it here.

If you try in conversation to make a distinction between the white ruling class and ordinary whites you will be screamed at if they are on the left cause they will feel you are trying to absolve yourself of your inherent, subconscious and eternal, permanent racism, or if they are on the right their eyes will glaze over. The globalists have succeeded in deleting class consciousness from the human brain which was understood by the activists in the 60's and '70s and replacing it with identity politics which conveniently lets the ruling class off the hook. There is no white ruling class in identity politics, there is only racist white people period.

So when the economy goes down As Planned like a train wreck and even though conservative americans will suffer greatly like anyone else, they will be blamed. Blamed for being a-holes or evil who voted for trump. Blamed even more than trump will be blamed because he's rich and has bodyguards, you or I don't. It is times like these that I am jealous of very religious people.

Karma Ninja

17th March 2017, 02:55

turiya

17th March 2017, 03:06

Certainly the race is on...

The race between the Dark-side of Deep State, Neocons, the Clinton-esque Lib-tard Progressives, MSM, the Banksters, NWO Elites, Rothschilds, Rockefellas, Pedos, the CFR, CIA, all running as veritable 'Loose Cannons' attempting to put Donald Trump in his 'proper place as the Politically Correct Politician as he should rightfully be (in their eyes), or to completely take him out (if he doesn't cooperate) versus the Trump Team bent on taking back America & restoring it to its intended role as a democratic republic sovereign nation.

Let’s see…..Trump reads a report from FOX News that Sweeden has immigration issues. Trump tweets that Sweeden has immigration issues. MSM labels Trump a lunatic with no credible evidence for saying such a thing. Only after Sweeden experiences immigration issues and other articles surface exposing such issues does the MSM report that Trump based his tweets on the Fox article. Trump turns out to be correct. Media issues no apologies or retractions. Lester, David and the rest escape unscathed.

Let’s see….Trump tweets that his offices were wiretapped by Barack Obama, of all people. The corporate sponsored readers, once again, label Trump a 'loose cannon' lunatic. They sneer and insist he has no evidence. They trot out the ever Honorable James Clapper to agree that this is impossible. Of course his word is all the evidence that the MSM needs. Now come to find out, the NYT had a report of wiretap data of Trump aides as far back as January. WikiLeaks puts out an even more in depth article a month later exposing the Obama administration of wiretapping various domestic reporters and international diplomats dating back to 2013. Sources are cited. Evidence gathered. Could it be Trump is, once again, correct?

Could Trump have read these reports? Could he have investigated the Rosen case and seen the Attkisson You Tube videos? Could he have based his tweets on this information and not on his lunacy and erratic behavior? I guess we’ll have to wait and see how this plays out with the corporate sponsored government readers. While they will be the first to know the truth, they will be the last to report it. Of course, once again, Lester, David and the rest will be given a pass on their pathetic journalistic dishonesty. It seems that history, albeit only a two week period of history, is repeating itself.

Trump claims that GM is making cars in Mexico & selling them in the U.S. They will be taxed for it. Then GM CEO puts out a statement that says Trump is wrong, "We don't make cars in Mexico!" And later, an automotive journalist knows that GM certainly does make cars in Mexico & their VIN (vehicle identification number) says so... Imagine that - Trump is right again.

There are a number of such incidents...

Author Cognitive Dissonance:

This is the feeling of uncomfortable tension which comes from holding two conflicting thoughts in the mind at the same time.
Dissonance increases with:

The importance of the subject to us.
How strongly the dissonant thoughts conflict.
Our inability to rationalize and explain away the conflict.

Dissonance is often strong when we believe something about ourselves and then do something against that belief. If I believe I am good but do something bad, then the discomfort I feel as a result is cognitive dissonance.

Cognitive dissonance is a very powerful motivator which will often lead us to change one or other of the conflicting belief or action. The discomfort often feels like a tension between the two opposing thoughts. To release the tension we can take one of three actions:
Change our behavior.
Justify our behavior by changing the conflicting cognition.
Justify our behavior by adding new cognitions.

Dissonance is most powerful when it is about our self-image. Feelings of foolishness, immorality and so on (including internal projections during decision-making) are dissonance in action.

If an action has been completed and cannot be undone, then the after-the-fact dissonance compels us to change our beliefs. If beliefs are moved, then the dissonance appears during decision-making, forcing us to take actions we would not have taken before.

When one feels Cognitively Distant - uncomfortable about oneself, about what is going on about the situation that one finds himself in, then often times one runs back down the rabbit hole that one has lived for most, if not all, of one's life... burying one's head back in the sand.

Freedom requires being Responsible, especially for one's own self. A nation of Responsible people would make for a very strong nation - one of immense integrity. A nation that can show other nations & the rest of the world their way to also be Responsible.

ThePythonicCow

17th March 2017, 04:10

I see Weiner's laptop and Pedogate as the key that unlocks the Neocon's pandora's box.
To be clear, from my perspective, the neocons, CIA, ... are NOT what I call the "deep state".

What I call the deep state is known only indirectly to me. If I knew who the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Queen of England and the Pope take orders from (however it is that such is done at that level), then I could put a more specific name to the "deep state". The "deep state" has been, by my speculations, playing the strong hand here on planet earth for a long, long time ... millennia at least.

Relative to the Neocons, I agree that Trump seems to have more integrity ... from my view point. But I tend to be more right-wing, so that might just be my biases showing.

And certainly the Neocons and CIA are enemies of Trump, yes.

norman

17th March 2017, 11:00

Anything that wakes up billions of humans faster is OK with me. That's the numbers game and that's the one to win.

They may have a clever logic to what they are doing, but in the old days, excited populations fell into their traps more easily than I think/hope they will this time.

Internet talk is a passive activity. It actually keeps people OFF the streets, despite what some would argue to the contrary. For every protest group that can be shown to have been organised through social media, there is a huge 'silent' majority that's watching and learning and reorienting it's world view.

Being awake doesn't have to mean being a busy pawn/patsy. It can be as subtle as slowly changing from apathy to meditation. From the outside, it can look like nothing is happening, but inside, it's a world of a difference.

I'm having a positive moment, obviously.

BMJ

17th March 2017, 15:27

Do give the article Loose Cannon, by Cognitive Dissonance (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-16/loose-cannon) a read. It's good.

I did and thank you for opening post Paul.

Firstly, I do not think for anyone whom was regularly contributor to the two major threads on Trump "Transition to Trump" and "The Trump Reset", (thank you form starting these threads also Turiya), is blind to the fact that Trump "could be" controlled opposition.
All members of Project Avalon are smarter than the average bear and I think there is less division than you suggest.

To quote from the article:
"The zombie dead are slowly awakening."
and
"A swirling feedback loop of additional financial excesses creating more social inequities could rapidly ignite in the Deep State’s lap if this explosive energy is not redirected towards division of the masses before they firmly unite. The 10,000 year old domination of the plebs playbook is clear; either control the opposition or fall to the opposition."

In response to the quotes:

We that support Trump are supporting what Trump "represents" which is:
- a recognition by tptw that their micro management of humanity and all it's related hardships are no longer accepted by the people;
- and as spin off as people seek answers to the whys and wherefores, a growing awareness by the people has come about of the truth of the power structure and all it's related sickness globally for example pedogate, manufactured wars, corruption, controlled economics etc; &
- positive action taken and to be taken by Trump against the tptw and power structure. At the least this is tptw sacrificing some of their own to appease the people globally. The snake is eating it's own tail into non existence.

If you consider the quote and my response does it not suggest that the tptw control over humanity eroding. I said this way back when joined Project Avalon in 2010 "the truth movement is like avalanche as it roles down the hill it gathers moment and gains mass and becomes an unstoppable force". That is were we currently stand and the avalanche continues to grow and is unstoppable.

I think it was FBI Anon was asked what can we do to help in this process?

His response was keep doing what you are doing. That is to say exposing the truth and raising awareness. My suggestion is if you can, to gently make the unaware aware of the pedogate scandals, I think this is tptw achilles heel and is what will bring them down.

Quote from the article:
"The only way to win is not to play at all."

In response to the quote:

But the problem is we do continue to play the game even I do as the rest of us here. Because modern life is convenient and we do not want to step out of our comfort zone.

What does not playing the game entail. More recently as google, facebook, amazon, twitter seek to censor the truth movement it has meant as suggested by some in the alternative media cancelling your subscription to these sites and search engines. But do we walk the walk.

What would happen if we did actually have this economic collapse that is forever looming but never fully realized. (Which will never happen because tptw would lose control). If you have roof over your head and no debt it would mean a simpler way of life. During the WW2 with rationing and shortage of supplies for the civilian population people turned their front yard and back yard into vegetable patches to supplement the groceries and the excess could be bartered for other supplies.

http://www.1900s.org.uk/1940s-images/poster-dig-victory.jpg

If you are in financial debt then you can declare yourself bankrupt and "let go of all your things" and start again. Would you really miss those things?
Legally here in australia they cannnot garnish your wages beyond the point were you have money for board and food and to be able to pay the bills, and after five years you are free of the of the status of bankruptcy. After five years go take out a $500 loan then repay it on time and bingo you have reestablished a good credit rating.

So what else can we do to "win is not to play at all":
- do not vaccinate;
- limit use of mobile phones;
- limit exposure to WIFI technology;
- limit use of GMO foods;
- use alternate means to google, facebook, twitter, youtube etc;
- be aware of world events but do not invest emotionally into these events;
- continue to spread the truth and raise awareness to the newbies in a gentle way so that we do not frighten them off.

What I have said has gone off in a tangent.

Finally I think Trump is not dividing America, he represents acknowlegdement by tptw that humanity is awakening and reclaim responsibility for itself and that they need to go with the flow or cease to be relevant.

In other words tptw play book is being torn up and they are going to have to play by our rules.

Cidersomerset

17th March 2017, 16:06

Nice post Paul I agree with virtually all of it 99.5% except.....

That was as intended.

Now you maybe right in your 'gut', my 'gut' thinks they built him up
to give Hillary a shoe in. It failed mainly to her arrogance and 'patriots'
or what ever you wish to call them from the ' permanent state agencies'
you could call them as Kerry and Bill used to 'white hat's. Who leaked
info to Wiki and others at strategic times.

Also Trump worked a hell of a lot harder on the road than she did and
repeated the right rhetoric to the important sectors of the population
that were more open and likely to vote for him. They could also have
kept their options open knowing whoever gets in the White House like
JFK and others can ultimately be controlled by blackmail , assassination
or other threats.

Trump has supported the mil ind complex , Israel ,Saudi and has had to pull
back some of his campaign mantra like NATO and distance himself from
Russia, and there are lot of military and Bankers in the cabinet.But he
has started on the lobbyist.

Its still to early to tell , but I do not think UFO disclosure or major
exposure of the real powers behind the scenes that may be ancient
will be forth coming as was speculated during the Obamas win by
the alternate community. Disclosure may still happen but it won't
come from the White house.

I should say David Icke thinks much on the same lines and is worried
the right wing alternate press has been over zealous in the continueing
support in their enthusiasm to keep Hillary out....

Two good interviews imo.....

Alchamy Radio..It was the perception that got Trump elected...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-WqS45K5o
Published on 13 Jan 2017
David Icke on Prime Time Slovenian TV - Deep State, Trump, US Alt Media
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydiBwyfCkeE
Published on 14 Mar 2017..David Icke - Interview with Slovenia's Number 1 Prime
Time Chat Show

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Interesting article 90 million eligible US citizens did not vote that has to say
something in a real democracy. What I was interested in the analogy with Brexit
and if you look at the percentage that voted in each and many also did not
vote in the UK that were eligible. The elections are different formats but the
% between in or out , Trump or Clinton are not that far apart , even if we
believe there was not voter fraud.....

The UK has voted to leave the EU by 52% to 48%

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

Over 90 Million Eligible Voters Didn’t Vote in the 2016 Presidential Election
Published 10:47 am EDT, November 10, 2016

Here’s the popular vote chart, based on projections from the New York Times.

Candidate Vote Total Percentage
Hillary Clinton 65,844,610 48.1
Donald Trump 62,979,636 46.0

http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/eligible-voter-turnout-for-2016-data-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-republican-democrat-popular-vote-registered-results/

turiya

17th March 2017, 16:24

Cross-posted on another thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1140921&viewfull=1#post1140921)... It Really is a 'Planned Genius'...

Attorney Jonathan Emord: Its Really a Planned Genius
The Deconstructing of the Administrative State
(Published on March 17, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_4ZUEIRORw________________________________

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Politics
Commentary

Trump’s Historic Chance to
Dismantle the Administrative State
(http://dailysignal.com/2017/03/06/trumps-historic-chance-to-dismantle-the-administrative-state/)
Sen. Mike Lee / @SenMikeLee
March 06, 2017

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_DECONSTRUCTION_OF_THE_ADMINISTRATIVE_STATE.p ng

Last month, the Senate voted to use the Congressional Review Act to undo an Obama-era regulation issued by the Interior Department.

In response, the director of the department’s Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement told Politico, “I believe there’s a good chance that […] a court will overturn Congress’ actions here as an unconstitutional usurpation of the executive branch’s powers.”

The constitutional illiteracy of this statement is simply breathtaking—and it would be funny, too, if it weren’t so prevalent within the federal government today.

How did this happen?

Article I of the U.S. Constitution begins, “All legislative power herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States.” And Article II obligates the president and his executive branch to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.”

And for more than the first hundred years of our republic, that is largely how it worked. Congress passed laws and the executive branch enforced them.

But in his first inaugural address, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt called for constitutional change. He claimed the Great Depression should be treated as an “emergency of war,” requiring a “temporary departure from the normal balance of public procedure.”

Unfortunately, our government has been not-so-temporarily departing from the normal balance of public procedure ever since.

But it wasn’t until Roosevelt died and President Harry Truman came to power that the government adopted a more systematic and codified framework that set the ground rules for America’s burgeoning administrative state. The cornerstone of this framework was the Administrative Procedures Act.

Under the Administrative Procedures Act, Congress could delegate broad lawmaking powers to executive branch agencies. To adjudicate this new and delicate sharing of lawmaking authority, the courts had the jurisdiction to review the propriety and scope of agency rule-making.

At the same time, in an effort to retain as much of its legislative authority as possible, Congress began inserting more and more “legislative veto” provisions into these otherwise broad grants of power.

This framework was not completely static over the next 40 years, but in the 1980s two Supreme Court cases fundamentally changed the balance of power between the branches: INS v. Chadha and Chevron U.S.A. v. Natural Resources Defense Council.

Taken together, these two cases caused a substantial transfer of power from the legislative and judicial branches to the executive branch. The result is an executive branch that has grown far too powerful and insulated from public control.

But there are three pieces of legislation that would go a long way toward reinvigorating the separation of powers at the heart of our constitutional system.

First, the Regulations from the Executive in Need of Scrutiny Act (REINS Act) would help restore the balance between the executive and legislative branches by requiring congressional approval for any new regulation that would have a major impact ($100 million or more) on the economy.

Second, the Separation of Powers Restoration Act would amend the Administrative Procedures Act and require judges hearing challenges to agency actions to review all relevant questions of law “de novo,” thereby ending the dysfunctional status quo that tilts the legal playing field in favor of federal bureaucracies.

Finally, the Agency Accountability Act would make federal agencies accountable again by directing most fines, fees, and unappropriated proceeds to the Treasury, instead of letting federal agencies keep and spend them as they see fit.

With President Donald Trump in the White House, elected on a promise to “drain the swamp,” we have a unique opportunity to pass all three of these bills.

Doing so would constitute a fundamental shift of power in this country—a transfer of power, to paraphrase Trump’s inaugural address, not merely from one party to another, but from Washington, D.C., back to the American people.

Mike Lee is a Republican senator from Utah.

THE DAILY SIGNAL (http://dailysignal.com/2017/03/06/trumps-historic-chance-to-dismantle-the-administrative-state/)

BMJ

17th March 2017, 16:43

As to the tptw being in control of all things and predicting Trump's win, that is:

From the Simpsons episode "Trumptastic Voyage"

http://holesinthenet.co.il/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2016/11/cartoons-trump-waving-and-thumbs-up-comparison.jpg

The actually photo of Trump going down the escalator was taken on the June 16, 2015

The episode aired on July 7, 2015.

Pop goes that bubble, and tptw all knowing and powerful crystal ball.

Link: http://www.tv.com/shows/the-simpsons/trumptastic-voyage-3192787/

enigma3

17th March 2017, 16:48

Paul
My perception is that whoever controls the money has the ability to control banking, financial policy, foreign policy and politics. They try to control politics but as more people wake up that strategy will have limited success. The Rothchilds and Rockefellers and their ilk definitely control the money. Is there a layer (or more than one) above them who give them marching orders? You may be right on that one. They don't call it the deep state for nothing. Someone or some small group controls the agenda for Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove, Trilateral Commission and such meetings. And who created Agenda 21? I do agree we surely do not see all the players in the deep state at this time. But I would suggest we do see a very high up layer named the Rothchild dynasty. We also see their overall agenda in Agenda 21, etc. Their foot soldiers sometimes let loose with a telling statement as in George HW Bush's statement on following Agenda 21 or William Casey stating the real purpose of the CIA. So, even if we do not see all layers we can deduce their direction by looking at their machinations. If it ever comes to the time when we can actually take the deep state down we will have a great need to know all the players down to their roots. As you imply, that may be a tough nut to crack. I like to crack nuts though.

Cidersomerset

17th March 2017, 17:07

One thing about the Trump administration is it has sparked and kept going a lot
of interest as there are probably a dozen or so current threads on the go covering
different aspects of the transition teething troubles....

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I think someone hit a nerve , they are not happy....

http://cdn.movieweb.com/img.news/NEneR08fbiWFqq_1_1.jpg
'M' " Get me Langley "....

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US will 'not repeat' claims GCHQ wiretapped Donald Trump

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bASUfuQGEho

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96469-Trump-accuses-Obama-of-tapping-his-phone--4-March-2017-&p=1140889&viewfull=1#post1140889

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Another interesting discussion I watched earlier , now their definition
is not the same as many in the alternate community but its still a
interesting discussion as many Cross Talk debates are imo....

RT.CrossTalk; Deep State

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZdOj34KRW4

Published on 17 Mar 2017
Not long ago if you mentioned the Deep State many would call you a conspiracy theorist.
Now we are discussing how strong it is and its loyalties. And most importantly, does it
respect the will of the people?
CrossTalking with Matthew Sheffield, William Craddick, and Charles Shoebridge.
FACEBOOK: Like CrossTalk on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/crosstalkrules/

Ba-ba-Ra

17th March 2017, 17:11

Nice post Paul I agree with virtually all of it 99.5% except.....

That was as intended.

Now you maybe right in your 'gut', my 'gut' thinks they built him up
to give Hillary a shoe in. It failed mainly to her arrogance. . . etc

I'm with you on this one, Cidersomerset.

While the ptb have always used divide and conquer, peppered with fear to control us, I have this sense that something else is at work here.

The media frenzy maligning Trump (and the Russians) seems desperate. (this could simply be the Corporations who were counting on war when Hillary got in are not willing to accept the loss and we know who controls the media)

And don't discount the fear of the many pedophiles in Congress.

But there's also the Universe, who many believe is now supporting disclosure in every arena, and at the same time is prompting conscious evolution.

I think we all feel that everything has ramped up. I feel our goal is to stop hating and maligning each other, so that we can better see who the true enemy is . . and it's not your neighbor.

ThePythonicCow

17th March 2017, 17:41

Nice post Paul I agree with virtually all of it 99.5% except.....

That was as intended.

Now you maybe right in your 'gut', my 'gut' thinks they built him up
to give Hillary a shoe in.
My gut agrees with you -- for a different "they".

In my present view, "they" the deepest state intended Trump to win, as part of the creative destruction of the current world order.

Another "they", those presently dominating this world order, such as the main stream media, political leaders and strategists in the US and most western nations, and leaders in the "defense" and "intelligence" agencies, were sold on this plan by such as you describe.

The main stream media knows that giving someone controversial headline coverage, month after month, does far more to polarize and energize both opposition to, and support of, someone than simply ignoring them. The instincts of the main stream media would have been to ignore Trump as irrelevant, not to elevate him to the status of the most outrageous, albeit fearless, opposition.

"They" the deep state wanted, in my view, Trump to win, and they wanted us to be a house divided, that shall not stand the coming conflicts and collapse.

Helene West

17th March 2017, 18:01

BMJ

17th March 2017, 18:12

BaBa
Agree with you on
"...The media frenzy maligning Trump (and the Russians) seems desperate..."

But the even more disturbing issue for me is that as obvious as their desperation is, it seems so many Americans are ok with it. They are all for the witch hunt, all for slander, malice, sedition behind doors, many would delight with the man being murdered! Maybe I'm on twitter too much but that is how it seems to me. We all knew the wide gap between red and blue, etc. but since the trump election this in-your-face knowledge of the malice of millions of americans has thrown me off. I knew it was bad, but not quite this bad....

Here is a picture of the villians:

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images18/ChihuahuaViansBigMacAttackMac33.JPG

What they are is a small part of the population making alot of noise. They are like a nervous little chihuahua, all bark and no bite.

Take them out of the safety of internet anonymity and then I doubt they would follow through on any comment.

Helene West

17th March 2017, 18:23

Norman
Cute!!!
Hear you on the twitter crowd but what about these Leftist Fight Clubs springing up in various places? A university in FL is actually considering legitimizing it. "Open to everyone except Republicans". What about conservative speakers not being able to speak at universities? or teachers being being passed for tenure or attacked for not being PC, see professor Darrell Hamamoto's channel on youtube talking about the scary condition of universities today, or the 2nd in command at FBI, McCabe, cursing the president in a crowded room of agents and personnel. They are vicious.
Anyway, I don't want to detract from the main points of this great thread because the topic of Division existed before trump, he just helped uncover the depths of it. I hope you are correct though that there are more keyboard warriors than actual thugs.
Sorry I meant BMJ, not Norman... (I'm typing and scrolling too fast while working!)

Cardillac

17th March 2017, 18:24

I truly think Hillary was the anointed/planned/rigged candidate until Pizza Gate (among other things) emerged so she went within a few weeks from being an asset to the elite to a liability and was just simply dropped;

Trump won by default (rigging for Clinton was dropped) and the elite are still trying to deal with him; he's definitely a wild card and even though he seems to be a manipulated political slave of Israel (what, already?- gosh!), that aside, I just think he's taking on too much at once; he needs to slow down and very methodically disect everything...

please be well all-

Larry

Ba-ba-Ra

17th March 2017, 18:31

BaBa
Agree with you on
"...The media frenzy maligning Trump (and the Russians) seems desperate..."

But the even more disturbing issue for me is that as obvious as their desperation is, it seems so many Americans are ok with it. They are all for the witch hunt, all for slander, malice, sedition behind doors, many would delight with the man being murdered! Maybe I'm on twitter too much but that is how it seems to me. We all knew the wide gap between red and blue, etc. but since the trump election this in-your-face knowledge of the malice of millions of americans has thrown me off. I knew it was bad, but not quite this bad....

Yes Helen, it's gotten to a fever pitch IMO. I do wonder how much subliminal mind control is involved. And they are definitely hammering away on Trump and Russia. I try to encourage people to stay grounded and not to react emotionally, but. . . .!

norman

17th March 2017, 18:45

I think it was the internet that floated a latent polarity division to the surface, before Trump got involved.

This split has nothing really to do with a single nation's politics.

First they globalised money. Then they globalised labor. Then they globalised the village banter. I suppose that the intention was for the globalised village banter to ask for or demand a globalized regulatory system to have the same scale and reach as all the surfacing problems.

Cidersomerset

17th March 2017, 19:23

How efficient are the Secret Service ? Its a bit of a worry for Trump even if he
does not show it. Is it a subtle message to the President ? or just human error ?

You can't make this up.....

Secret Service laptop with information on Trump, Clinton stolen

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Published on 17 Mar 2017
New York police detectives are searching for a stolen laptop that belongs to the
U.S. Secret Service. The laptop contains sensitive information, including security
documents on President Trump. CBS News justice and homeland security
correspondent Jeff Pegues joins CBSN to discuss.

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US Secret Service laptop stolen

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The laptop reportedly contained floor plans for Trump Tower in New York City

A US Secret Service laptop with Trump Tower floor plans and other sensitive
material has apparently been stolen from an agent's vehicle in New York.The
laptop, which was protected by encryption, was taken on Thursday, the Secret
Service confirmed. The computer has details on a criminal inquiry into former
Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton's use of private email, according to ABC News.

Police are looking at surveillance footage to identify a suspect.

The Secret Service released a statement saying "an employee was the victim of a
criminal act in which our Agency issued laptop was stolen".The agency added that
its computers "contain multiple layers of security including full disk encryption and
are not permitted to contain classified information".

Secret Service "lapel assignment pins" for President Donald Trump, the Clinton
campaign and the United Nations General Assembly were also taken along with the
laptop, according to US media.The items were reportedly stolen from a bag inside a
car in the agent's driveway. The bag has since been recovered but the laptop has
not, US media reported.

The investigation is on going.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39310793

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CNN....

Source: Intruder was at White House for 15 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHfyVeI9h1M

Published on 17 Mar 2017
The accused White House fence jumper was on the White House south grounds for
15 minutes or more before he was caught, a Secret Service source tells CNN.

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CNN...Agent possibly targeted as it was stolen from the agents home and
it appears the person who stole it came from a car and was caught on film.
Though the SS is playing that down.....

Laptop with Trump Tower evacuation info stolen

oLb_r0I-jBY

Published on 17 Mar 2017
A laptop with floor plans and evacuation protocol for Trump Tower was stolen from
a Secret Service agent's car in Brooklyn and has not been found, according to two
senior New York law enforcement officials.

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Chaffetz: Secret Service failure beyond comprehension

Bl6_Hpwv0CA

Published on 17 Mar 2017
Rep. Jason Chaffetz tells CNN's Wolf Blitzer that a man who made it onto the White
House grounds came close enough to rattle a door handle, a detail not included in
the official statement from the Secret Service.

Hervé

17th March 2017, 19:24

I, too, think that something has been orchestrating the whole thing with a mastery of the knowledge of human behaviour (think Tavistock and Ed Bernays (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays)) as to which button to push to trigger the deepest of human survival programming into action. The reason I started the thread "Trump: The Playing Field For An Electronic Mind-Control Experiment? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96339-Trump-The-Playing-Field-For-An-Electronic-Mind-Control-Experiment)"

To quote from my last post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96339-Trump-The-Playing-Field-For-An-Electronic-Mind-Control-Experiment&p=1140564&viewfull=1#post1140564) from that thread:

"My medical experience with individuals from all kinds of social strata, races, nationalities and religions showed me that 'fascism' is only the politically organised expression of the average human character structure," he wrote,

"a character structure which has nothing to do with this or that race, nation or party but which is general and international. In this characterological sense, 'fascism' is the basic emotional attitude of man in authoritarian society."
- Wilhelm Reich (http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/the-american-quest-to-kill-wilhelm-reich-and-orgonomy), The Mass Psychology of Fascism (http://www.relatedness.org/Mass_Psychology_of_Fascism.pdf), 1933What's astounding is that both sides pushed alternate versions of the same button/trigger. One was "wars and conquests" ad nauseam and ad eternam and the other was "secure the borders, no more invasions!"...

The variant which "won" gives the best clue as to which state the American public is in... "Trance/hypnotic Deep State (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=1140872&viewfull=1#post1140872)"

The variants of that survival button are also being played in Europe... "Prepare for war: the Russians are coming" or "no more migrants, close the borders, don't negotiate with your neighbors!"

So, for "globalists," that's the perfect, ideal button to keep activated.

Dennis Leahy

17th March 2017, 22:35

I think of the Deep State not as pyramid-pinnacle globalists like the Rothschilds (though a few may be), but rather simply the unelected rulers of the USA. The global tie-ins are that the US-based miscreants skim globally (the petrodollar is a good, highly visible example), and that the US military are used as thugs, globally, to extract the pound of flesh (and bones) from any victims that dare to fight back.

As US president Eisenhower was leaving office, he introduced us to the then largest (and most metastatic) faction of the Deep State: what Eisenhower called "the military industrial complex." (MIC) They have grown, exponentially, and (though it may be impossible for us outsiders to know for sure who controls who), the "intelligence"/spy agencies join the MIC as a Deep State contingent. The other contingents are "American"/faux-American high-level banking, and Big Energy (a.k.a. Oil/Gas/Nuclear power.) I think a few other non-military gigantic corporation heads (such as monsanto) get a seat at the table (maybe the kids' table), but are more like caterers that are allowed to sit at the dining table rather than being "deciders." I suspect there is little real emotion (virtually all sociopaths in this group), that (as below, so above) it is mostly a fear-based environment. It is all about control - control of money, for sure, but at the level they play, power is more meaningful than money.

My analysis of the US election system shows that the in-your-face #1 magic trick that the controllers use is simply to vet and approve EVERY SINGLE candidate for high office that they want to be viable. They usually don't care which puppet wins, but occasionally they want a particular crook (bush in 2004, trump in 2016.) Elections are ALWAYS a win for the Deep State and the status quo, because every single viable contender was pre-chosen, vetted, and approved by the controllers. It has literally nothing whatsoever to do with the will of the people or any organic rising out of the populace - and US citizens are (generally) way too stupid to figure out the "magic" trick. I am willing to bet 2.3 trillion dollars that the next (and the next, and the next,...) president of the USA, INC. will be chosen, vetted, and approved by the Deep State, and it will remain like this forever (or until a major uprising by US citizens to take control of elections away from the Deep State.)

So, I disagree with the premise of the article. trump was approved by the Deep State or he would never have made it to the podium to be sworn-in. I remain convinced that the MSM was told in advance that clinton was going to win, because she was the "winner" the Deep State wanted - at first. The votes don't matter and are not really counted. The Deep State picks the entire viable candidate pool, and usually sits back and laughs while US citizens pick between 2 Deep State-approved candidates - and think they have democratic elections. This time was different, and I don't think any of us know the real reason why they switched to trump at the final hour, and trump "won." (I know that the trump supporters here believe that trump was elected by US citizens. If you think that, you need to do more investigation into the workings of the US election system - that is 100% controlled by the Elite. US citizen "votes" are pageantry, nothing more.)

80% of US citizens brains only think the thoughts that they were programmed to think, and couldn't out-think a jellyfish. The Deep State has such control over most of us that they don't need any grand plans or tactics to control us. We are an open-air prison (with a few million of us in real brick and mortar prisons) where the programmed citizens already fight the Deep State battles for them. We police ourselves, acquiesce to subjugation by ourselves, divide and conquer ourselves. The Deep State no longer has to do much.

Though I don't know why, trump was chosen by the Deep State, but not until just before the "election." The bankers can (and will) unleash the hellhounds (crash it all, financially) when they are ready, and they don't care if killary or the trumpet are sitting in the big chair when it happens. I suspect that trump was the "last man standing" when hillary became too big a liability, too overt a crook.

Dennis Leahy

17th March 2017, 22:38

Karma Ninja

17th March 2017, 23:31

It's all such a devious, masterfully planned exercise in control over the human population.

In older times we had small tribes of people all over the place. Some cooperated and got along with others. Some were enemies and didn't get along with others. Some who were friendly to one tribe, were vicious and hateful towards another. It was a mix that doesn't exist anymore so it is impossible to know in what quantities we would have encountered what is considered 'good' or 'evil'.

Slowly over time certain tribes created or evolved traits which saw them become more successful. This lead to the successful ones growing, either through warfare and conquer or through success and influence or a mix of both. Eventually, or maybe it was all along, we saw a system develop where some people were given or took special privilege. This created a further divide. Instead of tribe vs tribe we now were also divided between privileged and non privileged. This allowed the privileged to keep the tribe growing. (This is good and bad) This pattern has repeated itself whereby original groups of a few dozen became groups of hundreds, which became groups of thousands and so on and so forth. While the overall size of the groups have become bigger and bigger. Tribes became villages, which became cities, which became nation states, which became countries, which added collections of colonies and now we have multi-national unions. It's like spots of mold growing on bread just gradually getting bigger until the whole piece of bread is covered and consumed.

ALL ALONG THOSE IN CONTROL HAD ACCESS TO MORE KNOWLEDGE AND MORE PRIVILEGE. THEY COULD ACTUALLY WRITE DOWN WHAT HAPPENED AND RECORD HISTORY. BUT THERE IT IS! THE HISTORY HAS ALWAYS BEEN TOLD AND RECORDED BY THE PRIVILEGED AND BY THE VICTORS. The underprivileged around the world are all still largely incapable of reading and writing. If you defeated the Egyptian army and disposed of their upper class, then you could burn their libraries and rewrite their history. All the prior knowledge and wisdom...gone. BY DESIGN! This happened all over the world and so much precious knowledge has been lost.

All the while we have seen the individuals within any of the aforementioned groups get broken into other varied groups within a bigger group. The reason is because the original division of privileged vs non-privileged has seen the privileged need to keep itself protected from the much larger group of underprivileged people. Many times power would switch hands if there was an uprising of the non-privileged and things would start over until the inherent human corruption found itself reorganizing and exposing itself once again.

So we've been kept divided by those in power. Whites, blacks, browns, and yellows... Asians, Europeans, Africans, North American, South American... Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu etc... Smart, Dumb, Tall, Short, Fat, Skinny etc... Rich, middle-class, poor etc... Blonde, brunettes, raven haired etc... Doctors, Teachers, Plumbers, Engineers, Laborers, Waiters, Scientists etc... Conservatives, Democrats, Liberals, Neo-Conservaties, Republicans, Communists etc... You get the point.

So we're broken up within the big groups so that we are easier to control. And then we went and started breaking up our own lives in other sillier ways. Hipsters, Geeks, Nerds, Jocks, Rockers, Ravers, Fashionistas... blah, blah, blah. It's actually gotten so crazy we don't even need to be forced into divides anymore. We all just willingly pick and choose our groups and our personas and our dreams. This is why Trump is so disliked. We find our bubbles and crawl into them. The masters could rally feminists, non-whites, immigrants, liberal whites, LGBT, young, etc.. into cohesive action against one man. It's a bubble trap but we so willingly jump into it. :happy dog:

Except it's all just someone else's vision. Someone else's dreams. Someone elses personas. It's literally all just been laid out and decided for us. Like we're putting our marbles into little pockets on a gigantic board and calling it controlling our lives. Except we can't even see the board anymore. We're all so focused on keeping our little marbles in our little pockets and acting like that is co-creation or choice when it really is not.

This is the true intention of our controllers. We are meant to never share our wisdom across populations. We are pocketed and compartmentalized. Now, we possess so little wisdom that all but a tiny fraction of us has wisdom worth sharing. We are a dumbed down and divided work force not really capable of reasserting our control over our lives. BUT WE ARE BEING DECEIVED. WE ARE WORTHY OF OUR FREEDOM AND OUR WISDOM IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO GET IT BACK. Freedom will need to be fought for and wisdom will come back within a few generations.

Perhaps it is because we are so easily controlled and divided that we are still unworthy of our freedom. We all choose this deception as our reality. We are all willing slaves. We are all causing too much harm to be considered worthy of freedom and co-creation. This is our inherited fraud being committed against us all by the privileged.

When we are born our birth is registered and recorded on banking paper (check your certificate) and we are sold, for our future labour, to our masters. We are then trained and taught how to be good laborers. The fruit of our labour is now money. We need it for almost all our sustenance and lodging. Money is woven into everything. We are taught to be good consumers so that we constantly need more and more money. This keep us from ever stopping and finding a way out of this system. 99.99 percent of people need this system and are incapable of living outside of it. The rest of us ache within it.

If you are seeking a solution which resembles or incorporates any of the current system then you will only ever succeed in continuing your enslavement.

We are distracted and divided so as to keep us weak and disorganized. This is OUR choice by 'their' design. We need a way out and then we need a better way.

Justplain

18th March 2017, 03:49

If one looks at the proof is in the pudding, Trump is a typical politician who promised different than what he's delivering. He said the USA should not be the world policeman, but is now cranking up tensions with China, North Korea and Iran. He said he'd drain the swamp but has appointed wall street banksters and oilmen to his cabinet with policies that talk of tax cuts and deregulation. Sounds a lot like bush jr.

Trump's doing what killary would have done, just chosen china/korea as the military opponent instead of Russia/Syria.

Trump is choosing a fight with the cia, with the military backing him. So the military gets an award with a bigger budget and a juicier (less dangerous?) opponent.

We all know there's a deep state. How they control things is well out in the light. Trump is obviously doing their bidding, if not consciously. Its just the same old.

If someone truly radical was elected wouldnt there be a coup? So we are stuck in the same paradigm. Technology could change that if more of us could independently live off the grid. Till then this is a tale told by an idiot

onawah

18th March 2017, 04:30

I probably posted this on the wrong thread (Transition into Trump) so I will put it here too in case it gets cut there.
[QUOTE]Lots of social programs getting cut now like Meals on Wheels, Americorps, Planned Parenthood ( of course ), slashing protection for the environment, consumer protection, all the kinds of attacks on the people and the planet that we can expect from any corporate political puppet.
I think perhaps TPTB realized that the Clintons, the pedophiles and Luciferians had gotten too out of hand and were going to get busted very messily anyway, knew that Big Pharma's vaccine industry was fated for an expose/overhaul, so they made it possible for Trump to get elected, but now are just proceeding with business as usual as quickly as they can.
Oh and now there's this barreling down on us too:
Source:
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Innocent Warrior

18th March 2017, 07:31

The deep state relies heavily on controlling our minds and dividing us with beliefs. It's highly effective but it's a castle built on sand. They need to trick us to move us in the directions they wish, humanity is inherently good, they need to dress their agendas up in our ideals or fears in order to get good people to do bad things, to put it coarsely, like killing each other in wars.

They wield the sword of power but that sword is us, it's been amazing to watch these past few months especially. We don't need them, they need us but they're crafty so here we are relying on a system of their design. As we continue to remove their claws the absurdity of their narratives become more visible by the day but if they decide they need to switch to brute force they'll reveal in full view their true nature. We're doing good in this respect, the giant is well and truly awakening and that's a lose-lose situation for them.

ThePythonicCow

18th March 2017, 08:15

I knew it was bad, but not quite this bad....
The elite bastards have been studying us peasants ... they know fairly well our biggest fear triggers, and they're pushing those buttons hard.

A Voice from the Mountains

18th March 2017, 09:04

The deep state relies heavily on controlling our minds and dividing us with beliefs.

The deep state wasn't even a major topic of discussion a year ago. Now it's even on MSM.

Saying that the deep state intentionally had Trump elected is like saying that a hidden criminal network decided to save itself from a non-existent threat by exposing itself and beginning to cut off all its own limbs.

Before Trump got into the mix it was being set up for another Bush/Clinton race (Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton). And you can bet your ass there would have been absolutely no conspiratorial insinuations throughout that campaign season.

There actually still are millions of very patriotic Americans in the US who are very pissed off (especially in our military -- which is ~80% conservative, meaning valuing traditional American values rather than these new identity politics/socialist authoritarian/globalist values), and I think a lot of people are just having a hard time coming to grips with the fact that conspiracy theories really are going mainstream now and we really are cleaning house. You can pinch yourself if you want but don't minimize all of the good sunshine being poured onto the clandestine elements of our system right now.

Let's also remember that Trump has a record of being a 9/11 truther, a birther, and a huge critic of globalism (ie, what we used to call the "New World Order").

Innocent Warrior

18th March 2017, 09:24

You can pinch yourself if you want but don't minimize all of the good sunshine being poured onto the clandestine elements of our system right now.

Huh? What do you mean by this? I'm not sure what you mean but I was saying the same thing, effectively?

Update -

As far as I can see you have misunderstood my post, I’m presenting a similar opinion from a holistic perspective.

Due to the tone of this interaction I don’t have the inclination to explain myself further, all I can suggest is you read both my posts on this thread, carefully, and note my use of the word “adaptable”.

Cidersomerset

18th March 2017, 10:50

James Corbett takes a look at the investment bank, I thought you might appreciate
it Paul ......topical as Trump has a few ex employee's in his cabinet. You are clued
up on financial matters far more than me , but there are several possibilities Steve
Bannon as a former Goldman Sachs employee I would of thought was influencing
these picks and maybe its the devil you know ? and 'they' feel that inside
knowledge may help them drain the swamp from inside ? Though that may be
optimistic . Or it could be the opposite or something else ? 'Government Sachs'
has embedded itself in the US establishment for a long time according to James and
others.

Exclusive: Roger Stone Talks About Trump's Plan To Control Goldman Sachs Appointees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KzO3r2ZFs8
Published on 20 Dec 2016

Meet Goldman Sachs, the Vampire Squid ....' Government Sachs '....

FHNAZMIcFNg

Published on 17 Mar 2017

We all know Goldman Sachs is the very embodiment of evil...or do we? What is Goldman Sachs?
What does it do? Where did it come from and where is it going, and is there anything that can be
done to stop it? Buckle in for this edition of The Corbett Report where James dares to take on the
vampire squid itself.

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Goldman Sachs CEO responds to 'Government Sachs' criticism
by Matt Egan @mattmegan5
March 17, 2017:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/17/investing/goldman-sachs-lloyd-blankfein-defends-government-sachs-trump/

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Trump & Hillary On Wikileaks Release Of Paid Goldman Sachs Speeches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQdSG3CJRGw
Published on 10 Oct 2016

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Theres a whole list of vids on link....

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Trump+critises+hillary+for+Goldma+Sachs+ties

A Voice from the Mountains

18th March 2017, 19:16

Huh? What do you mean by this? I'm not sure what you mean but I was saying the same thing, effectively?

I was mostly directing my response to the OP and the general idea of the thread, that the deep state would for any reason actually want Trump elected when it's only caused them to become more exposed, the MSM to become totally discredited, etc. I read your post and saw what you said about the awakening giant and all of that and I agree. I often open a post responding to something in particular but then address anyone who is reading in general.

Back to the idea in the OP, there is obviously a passionate struggle for control taking place in the US but it's not deep state vs. deep state in a superficial Bush/Clinton kind of way, where they are just jockeying for lead position in the criminal network. It's deep state vs. a whole bunch of pissed off rank and file in the government and military who have finally found a well-informed figurehead to rally behind to destroy the deep state. Organizing people around a cause is the function all good leaders are supposed to fulfill and that's what is happening.

The elite bastards have been studying us peasants ... they know fairly well our biggest fear triggers, and they're pushing those buttons hard.

You don't think there are enough decent, intelligent and motivated patriots still within the IC and military to have been studying the situation, organizing and waiting for the right opportunity too, Paul? So much has been going so wrong for so long it's as if people have forgotten that "good guys" still exist. Especially in the military we still have tons of them.

Obama wasn't sacking career military officers by the 100's for no reason, you know. He was concerned about something. Obama was a wake up call to a lot of people. Remember the Tea Party and Occupy movements as well. They were suppressed, but that energy didn't go away.

ThePythonicCow

18th March 2017, 20:18

The elite bastards have been studying us peasants ... they know fairly well our biggest fear triggers, and they're pushing those buttons hard.

You don't think there are enough decent, intelligent and motivated patriots still within the IC and military to have been studying the situation, organizing and waiting for the right opportunity too, Paul? So much has been going so wrong for so long it's as if people have forgotten that "good guys" still exist. Especially in the military we still have tons of them.

I didn't state my point clearly enough.

There are four groups in this mental model of mine for this situation:

The occult elite bastards, aka the real deep state, who have been playing on humanity's fears for millenia.
The neo-con, lib-con, fascist, zionist bastards, which includes the Bush crime family, and the Clintons and Obama.
The "white hats" in the intelligence community (IC) and military, including many sacked career military officers.
The peons, peasants ... that's us.

Group (3) is opposing group (2). Group (4) is watching and being swept up in the fears, increasingly divided.

Group (1) is the group that has been studying us peasants, Group (4), for millenia.

Group (3) has some good goals, in part, to the extent that it's opposing Group (2).

But it's all encapsulated in a larger game of energies and opposing energies, feeding off each other.

A Voice from the Mountains

18th March 2017, 20:42

That's a pretty good model. We can build on that.

First, group 4 covers a wide spectrum of awareness. Millions of people are very keyed in to current trends, and millions of people are shockingly ignorant (think those who don't even know what the 4th of July celebrates and don't even care). The more politically-motivated of this group may be divided more or less into 2 camps here in the US but those 2 groups aren't necessarily equally aware or competent, and that's important too, because millions of very informed people are more capable of working in a more coordinated fashion with group 3, for example. Many of us are also aware of group 1, which is also important.

Group 3 is definitely aware of group 1 at this point. (Group 1 to me are also a varied group of deep power players, including Nazi military/industrial types, deep occult aspects of the Vatican, deep financial players, etc.) If we know about them and are talking about them, you can bet that group 3 types are also aware of the spirit cooking type stuff, Bohemian Grove, pedogate type stuff and all of that. In fact, they're the ones leaking that stuff to us. The Podesta emails for example came from white hats, and then you have a history of insider figures like Ted Gunderson who have come out over the years as well. Group 3 also has access to better technology and information-gathering capabilities, including surveillance, than at any time in the past, and that includes the ability to monitor group 1 types.

Group 2 may have always been more or less puppets to group 1 types but they have become more and more incompetent from years of inbreeding and handing over power to arrogant psychopaths who only earned it through ruthlessness and evil. The Bushes and Clintons are great examples. They are long-lived crime families whose dirty deeds are quickly catching up to them in the information age, and they have been too stupid to foresee or prevent it. Hillary Clinton's campaign staff was incompetent and out-of-touch and yet even they all recognized that Hillary herself was even more incompetent, and made even worse mistakes than they did during the campaign. They complained about it in the leaked emails. The Bush family is also totally incompetent. People like George Bush and Jeb Bush are some of the biggest idiots I have ever seen in politics. These people remind me of the lesser nobility just prior to the French Revolution. Their social class has become thoroughly rotten and incompetent and can't sustain itself, which further exposes group 1.

You may also need a special category or group for the Trump administration itself. Just by virtue of being President of the United States, as much as large parts of the government are being insubordinate and refusing to cooperate with Trump, he still wields a massive amount of power because of his position and he is using that as a wedge to allow group 3 to do great damage to groups 1 and 2. Group 3 is educating and drawing popular support from the more awakened elements of group 4. Group 4 is the "sleeping giant" that will ultimately transform everything when enough of us become sufficiently aware of the situation.

onawah

18th March 2017, 21:53

I really don't think you can realistically leave ETs/EDs off the list.
Of course, we still don't know enough about how they are operating on the planet, or how they are influencing things from off planet, or how they are influencing things and people interdimensionally including time travel and via mind control of various types.
But there's no doubt in my mind that their presence and influence should not be underestimated and definitely not ignored, otherwise it's like you are trying to play interdimensional chess by 3D rules.
Especially when it comes to politics, where so much of the trickery is taking place.

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Helene West

19th March 2017, 00:31

ThePythonicCow

19th March 2017, 02:59

Paul

--I see #2 as working for #1, I call them the 'service families' of the elites, who carry out their tasks and go in front of the cameras for them. I believe the more powerful the more anonymous. Are you saying #2 is a separate group from #1, which would mean vying for power against them?
--I believe #1 contains zionists as well as #2.
--Unfortunately I have to give credence to what Onawah posts below. I feel like a crazy woman for saying this but I've come to feel that until I get some resolution on all the mysterious disappearances that go on such as the investigations by David Paulides and others, I will be open to the possibility that #1 is taking some orders from off planet entities for their own nefarious reasons.

Families visible to the public, such as the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Bushes, ... come and go, over the centuries. Organizations such as Skull & Bones or the Council on Foreign Relations, and guiding objectives, such as Zionism, also come and go, over the millenia. The enslavement of humanity seems to continue, for as long as recorded history allows us peons to see into the past.

So I presume that there are beings, "guiding" humanity for purposes apparently not in our best interests, and that this has been so for a very, very long time. Their names are likely unknown to me, or if known, still not known to us to have such power. "They" may well be aliens, in part or in whole. That is what I labeled group #1 above.