Canadians PLEASE SIGN and pass it on! Petition Against Sharia Law

[Chakra]

Petition Against Sharia Law Spreading Across Canada (https://petitions.parl.gc.ca/en/Petition/Sign/e-909)

Please sign (if your Canadian) and pass it on.
This is an actual petition through the E-petitions - House of Commons

Thousands of Canadians have already signed (https://www.spencerfernando.com/2017/03/17/petition-sharia-law-spreading-across-canada/)

A petition against Sharia Law is spreading across the country online, with thousands having already signed.

The petition was sponsored by James Bezan – Member of Parliament for Selkirk-Interlake-Eastman.

Here is the text of the petition:

Whereas:

Differential justice based on an individual’s religion is prejudicial and preferential, therefore, an amendment to the Constitution Act of 1982 would ease the minds of all Canadians and ensure equal treatment for everyone under the Criminal Code of Canada.
We, the undersigned, citizens of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to propose an amendment to the Constitution Act of 1982, under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, stating that Sharia Law or separate Sharia family courts will never have a place in the Canadian Justice System.

Sharia Law in Canada

Though it comes as surprise to many, Sharia Law has been used in Canada. In an article in the Globe & Mail, Margaret Wente described the story of Homa Arjomand, a woman who lived under Sharia Law in Iran. She only barely escaped from Iran with her life – while many of her friends were executed in Sharia courts.

She came to Canada to live in freedom, only to watch as people tried to impose that same Sharia Law here.

Said Arjomand, “We must separate religion from the state. We’re living in Canada. We want Canadian secular law.”

Yet, that didn’t stop the Ontario government from allowing the use of Sharia Law in the province. Elders, lawyers, or Imams could participate in the courts, passing judgements on various matters. Wente notes that the pressure – especially on Muslim women – to go along with the court rulings could be immense.

After protests by Arjomand, Ontario’s Premier at the time Dalton McGuinty said he would block Sharia courts. However, the fact that it took public pressure to do the obvious is concerning. And make no mistake, there are people who are still pushing for Sharia Law in Canada.

That should be deeply concerning to all of us, as it means our Canadian legal system is being undermined – something we must not allow.

Sharia Law Most Dominant In Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, & Sudan

Take a look at the map below, and observe the countries where Sharia Law is most dominant (purple). Would you want to live in any of those countries? And if not, why would we want to import any sort of ‘legal system’ from them?

Sharia Law World Map

Disturbingly, some in the Western World want to import Sharia, despite what life is like in the countries in which it dominates.

The United Kingdom has enshrined Sharia principles in their legal system. As reported by Michael Coren, the law regarding Sharia (which applies separately to Muslims in the UK) states “The male heirs in most cases receive double the amount inherited by a female heir of the same class. Non-Muslims may not inherit at all, and only Muslim marriages are recognized.”

As Coren notes, “what begins in Britain tends to influence other nations, in particular English-speaking nations and especially countries with a British legal precedent and a Commonwealth tradition. In other words, there’s a good chance it will come to Canada and activists are already pushing for it.”

That’s a good reason for a petition on the issue, and speaks to the importance of making sure it gains many signatures.

“Sharia Law Is Incompatible With Democracy And Human Rights”2

The statement above was made by the European Court of Human Rights – Council of Europe. It fits with a long line of arguments that Sharia Law and Freedom are not compatible.

Western Civilization takes pride in our values of Individual Liberty, the equality of men and women, and freedom of religion.

Sharia Law does not adhere to those same values.

Consider the words of Peter Tatchell, a campaigner for human rights in the UK:

“While other faiths are also often oppressive, sharia law is especially oppressive. Its interpretations stipulate the execution of Muslims who commit adultery, renounce their faith (apostates) or have same-sex relationships. Sharia methods of execution, such as stoning, are particularly brutal and cruel – witness the stoning to death this week in Somalia of a 20-year-old woman divorcee who was accused of adultery. This is the fourth stoning of an adulterer in Somalia in the last year.”

Bill Maher – generally pretty left-wing but very clear-eyed on the issue of radical Islam – summed it up this way:

“Forty countries in the world have some version of Sharia law. I just don’t understand how liberals who fought the battle for civil rights in the ’60s, fought against apartheid in the ’80s, can then just simply ignore Sharia law in 40 countries. Apartheid was only in one. I am not anti-Muslim and never have been: I am anti-bad ideas. Killing cartoonists and apostates, these are terrible ideas and practices, and it would be lovely to think that they were confined only to terrorists. They unfortunately are not.”

You’ll note that both critics of Sharia Law I referenced are on the left of the political spectrum. Opposition to Sharia Law should not be a partisan issue. All of us in the Western World, all who value freedom and liberty, should be deeply concerned about any effort to open up Canada to Sharia Law.

Unfortunately, “leaders” like Justin Trudeau are willfully ignorant of the danger of Sharia Law, and instead prefer to live in a see-no-evil, hear-no-evil fantasy land of political correctness.

That means it’s up to the people of Canada to speak out.

Sign The Petition Against Sharia Law In Canada

I have signed the petition, and I encourage you to do so as well.
Once you sign, please take a moment to share this article on social media and encourage others to sign the petition. Help it spread all across Canada.

Let’s show that we as Canadians will not be silenced. Let’s send a unmistakable message to those in power that we will always stand on guard for our freedom.

CLICK HERE FOR ANTI-SHARIA LAW PETITION (https://petitions.parl.gc.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-909)

[Karma Ninja]

There is NO chance of Sharia spreading across Canada. We already dealt with this in our courts and there is a legal precedent.

For centuries Canada allowed Christians to adjudicate family, commercial and contractual law through the Catholic Canon law system. We allowed Jews to adjudicate family, commercial and contractual law through the Beth Din courts. These decisions were then recognized and accepted by the Canadian Law System. Criminal law was always only dealt with through the Canadian Justice system. All of the decisions made by ecclesiastical courts were bound by our Charter of Rights and Freedoms and no decision could overrule our Charter. After a big outcry (mostly from Muslim women) when Sharia courts were allowed to operate in Ontario, the Liberal Government ruled that NO religious courts could adjudicate over any legal matters period. This took away the rights from the Christians, Jews and Muslims to have their biblical courts decide matters all in one fell swoop. Quebec followed suit and made a similar ruling. So the 2 most populous provinces have already ruled on this matter. This means that over 60% of our population has nothing to worry about. All other Provinces could simply use the precedent set by Ontario and Quebec to make a similar ruling.

All this being said. There is no support for Sharia law to spread throughout our nation except for from a small percentage of Muslims. NONE! Muslim women are the ones who fought to have Sharia courts outlawed in Ontario as they are more intimately aware of the gender bias in Sharia law.

So lets assume a safe majority of Muslims in Canada oppose the enforcement of Sharia law over Canadian law.

There are NO non-Muslims pushing to have Sharia law enacted in our nation.

Currently 3% of our country is Muslim.

HOW ON EARTH DO YOU EXPECT A LAW ALLOWING SHARIA TO PASS? HOW?!?!

It is nothing short of fear-mongering and cowardice that drives someone to create a petition like this... The person who made this petition is a coward and a fool.

[Helene West]

I'm american but support Chakra's endeavors. Good luck with your petition.
Ordinary europeans didn't ask to have their culture under annihilation by muslims either (and I say that knowing that not all muslims support sharia but where you have muslims you are going to have those that do) - it's obvious to so many that globalists have decided that islam is a most excellent weapon that can help crush western civilization while camouflaging themselves as usual and they intend through their ubiquitous money and influence to sneak it in here, sneak it in over there.

Here in the U.S. most americans haven't a clue that under the obama administration it began utilizing the many tribal indian governments as portals for muslim entry. they have begun feeding the american indians propaganda that their culture has so much in common with middle eastern culture. Islam and sharia law are globalists tools of destruction. The paid shills and the young idealogues will scream islamaphobia, the same as they scream sexism, racism, etc. Get used to the modus operandi and defend yourself nevertheless; if you use twitter, follow or check out Voice of Europe, if you can stand it. I don't see how you have anything to lose by signing and submitting the petition, IMHO.

[Chakra]

There is NO chance of Sharia spreading across Canada. We already dealt with this in our courts and there is a legal precedent.

The person who made this petition is a coward and a fool.

A Member of Parliament started the petition

http://jamesbezan.com/

Not quite dead....

Liberal MP's anti-Islamophobia motion (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/m103-islamophobia-khalid-motion-1.3972194)

"Motion 103 was tabled by Mississauga, Ont., Liberal backbencher Iqra Khalid last fall, but will be discussed in the aftermath of last month's mass shooting at a Quebec City mosque. It calls on government to "condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination."

This could potentially open the door again to reestablish the argument for Sharia law.

"In her report and a video for The Rebel website, Kay said blasphemy laws conceived according to Shariah law could creep into Canada.
She said that could have a chilling effect on free speech and ultimately mean some of her columns could be deemed Islamophobic and subject to penalties.
"I'm worried. All Canadians should be worried," she wrote.

Trudeau: Balancing fundamental rights
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was asked about M-103 during a town hall meeting in Yellowknife Friday, with a participant questioning how the motion squares with Trudeau's claim to be a feminist. The questioner said by referencing Islamaphobia, M-103 risks silencing voices critical of oppressive practices rooted in Sharia law."

[Flash]

You still should sign because it does send a clear message that imposition of religiously based accepted behavior from any public servant should not be accepted (ex, a male public servant refusing to serve a woman - it does happen and we tolerate it, the male is paid by our taxes and some citizen have to wait for service (women in this case) while the male is kept on his job). We do have to send clear signal.

And, 3% of our country is Muslim, yet, a decade ago, the only reason Sharia law was not accepted in Ontario was because of international outcry and people on the street for us Canadian to reject the sharia law, otherwise, it was implanted in Ontario. Have you forgotten????

And I do thank Muslim women to have help into fighting against Sharia law in Quebec and Ontario. But let me tell you, when I look at our Quebec prime minister behaviors and comments, he does not seem to have much understanding about the true implication of Muslim religious imposition on public affairs and public service, although he did live in Saoudi Arabia. This is scary, politicians do not understand - those living on a daily basis with religious fanatics do, and sadly, mostly women who had to confront unbelievable machism from those religious fanatics, and mostly is large cosmopolitan cities, not in the rest of the country.

We do need to make sure the message is clear to our politician and this petition is one of the means that can be used.


There is NO chance of Sharia spreading across Canada. We already dealt with this in our courts and there is a legal precedent.

For centuries Canada allowed Christians to adjudicate family, commercial and contractual law through the Catholic Canon law system. We allowed Jews to adjudicate family, commercial and contractual law through the Beth Din courts. These decisions were then recognized and accepted by the Canadian Law System. Criminal law was always only dealt with through the Canadian Justice system. All of the decisions made by ecclesiastical courts were bound by our Charter of Rights and Freedoms and no decision could overrule our Charter. After a big outcry (mostly from Muslim women) when Sharia courts were allowed to operate in Ontario, the Liberal Government ruled that NO religious courts could adjudicate over any legal matters period. This took away the rights from the Christians, Jews and Muslims to have their biblical courts decide matters all in one fell swoop. Quebec followed suit and made a similar ruling. So the 2 most populous provinces have already ruled on this matter. This means that over 60% of our population has nothing to worry about. All other Provinces could simply use the precedent set by Ontario and Quebec to make a similar ruling.

All this being said. There is no support for Sharia law to spread throughout our nation except for from a small percentage of Muslims. NONE! Muslim women are the ones who fought to have Sharia courts outlawed in Ontario as they are more intimately aware of the gender bias in Sharia law.

So lets assume a safe majority of Muslims in Canada oppose the enforcement of Sharia law over Canadian law.

There are NO non-Muslims pushing to have Sharia law enacted in our nation.

Currently 3% of our country is Muslim.

HOW ON EARTH DO YOU EXPECT A LAW ALLOWING SHARIA TO PASS? HOW?!?!

It is nothing short of fear-mongering and cowardice that drives someone to create a petition like this... The person who made this petition is a coward and a fool.

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Is there a French version Chakra, this cannot be posted on French facebooks, people won't understand and won't sign.


Petition Against Sharia Law Spreading Across Canada (https://petitions.parl.gc.ca/en/Petition/Sign/e-909)

Please sign (if your Canadian) and pass it on.
This is an actual petition through the E-petitions - House of Commons

Thousands of Canadians have already signed (https://www.spencerfernando.com/2017/03/17/petition-sharia-law-spreading-across-canada/)

A petition against Sharia Law is spreading across the country online, with thousands having already signed.

The petition was sponsored by James Bezan – Member of Parliament for Selkirk-Interlake-Eastman.

Here is the text of the petition:

Whereas:

Differential justice based on an individual’s religion is prejudicial and preferential, therefore, an amendment to the Constitution Act of 1982 would ease the minds of all Canadians and ensure equal treatment for everyone under the Criminal Code of Canada.
We, the undersigned, citizens of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to propose an amendment to the Constitution Act of 1982, under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, stating that Sharia Law or separate Sharia family courts will never have a place in the Canadian Justice System.

Sharia Law in Canada

Though it comes as surprise to many, Sharia Law has been used in Canada. In an article in the Globe & Mail, Margaret Wente described the story of Homa Arjomand, a woman who lived under Sharia Law in Iran. She only barely escaped from Iran with her life – while many of her friends were executed in Sharia courts.

She came to Canada to live in freedom, only to watch as people tried to impose that same Sharia Law here.

Said Arjomand, “We must separate religion from the state. We’re living in Canada. We want Canadian secular law.”

Yet, that didn’t stop the Ontario government from allowing the use of Sharia Law in the province. Elders, lawyers, or Imams could participate in the courts, passing judgements on various matters. Wente notes that the pressure – especially on Muslim women – to go along with the court rulings could be immense.

After protests by Arjomand, Ontario’s Premier at the time Dalton McGuinty said he would block Sharia courts. However, the fact that it took public pressure to do the obvious is concerning. And make no mistake, there are people who are still pushing for Sharia Law in Canada.

That should be deeply concerning to all of us, as it means our Canadian legal system is being undermined – something we must not allow.

Sharia Law Most Dominant In Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, & Sudan

Take a look at the map below, and observe the countries where Sharia Law is most dominant (purple). Would you want to live in any of those countries? And if not, why would we want to import any sort of ‘legal system’ from them?

Sharia Law World Map

Disturbingly, some in the Western World want to import Sharia, despite what life is like in the countries in which it dominates.

The United Kingdom has enshrined Sharia principles in their legal system. As reported by Michael Coren, the law regarding Sharia (which applies separately to Muslims in the UK) states “The male heirs in most cases receive double the amount inherited by a female heir of the same class. Non-Muslims may not inherit at all, and only Muslim marriages are recognized.”

As Coren notes, “what begins in Britain tends to influence other nations, in particular English-speaking nations and especially countries with a British legal precedent and a Commonwealth tradition. In other words, there’s a good chance it will come to Canada and activists are already pushing for it.”

That’s a good reason for a petition on the issue, and speaks to the importance of making sure it gains many signatures.

“Sharia Law Is Incompatible With Democracy And Human Rights”2

The statement above was made by the European Court of Human Rights – Council of Europe. It fits with a long line of arguments that Sharia Law and Freedom are not compatible.

Western Civilization takes pride in our values of Individual Liberty, the equality of men and women, and freedom of religion.

Sharia Law does not adhere to those same values.

Consider the words of Peter Tatchell, a campaigner for human rights in the UK:

“While other faiths are also often oppressive, sharia law is especially oppressive. Its interpretations stipulate the execution of Muslims who commit adultery, renounce their faith (apostates) or have same-sex relationships. Sharia methods of execution, such as stoning, are particularly brutal and cruel – witness the stoning to death this week in Somalia of a 20-year-old woman divorcee who was accused of adultery. This is the fourth stoning of an adulterer in Somalia in the last year.”

Bill Maher – generally pretty left-wing but very clear-eyed on the issue of radical Islam – summed it up this way:

“Forty countries in the world have some version of Sharia law. I just don’t understand how liberals who fought the battle for civil rights in the ’60s, fought against apartheid in the ’80s, can then just simply ignore Sharia law in 40 countries. Apartheid was only in one. I am not anti-Muslim and never have been: I am anti-bad ideas. Killing cartoonists and apostates, these are terrible ideas and practices, and it would be lovely to think that they were confined only to terrorists. They unfortunately are not.”

You’ll note that both critics of Sharia Law I referenced are on the left of the political spectrum. Opposition to Sharia Law should not be a partisan issue. All of us in the Western World, all who value freedom and liberty, should be deeply concerned about any effort to open up Canada to Sharia Law.

Unfortunately, “leaders” like Justin Trudeau are willfully ignorant of the danger of Sharia Law, and instead prefer to live in a see-no-evil, hear-no-evil fantasy land of political correctness.

That means it’s up to the people of Canada to speak out.

Sign The Petition Against Sharia Law In Canada

I have signed the petition, and I encourage you to do so as well.
Once you sign, please take a moment to share this article on social media and encourage others to sign the petition. Help it spread all across Canada.

Let’s show that we as Canadians will not be silenced. Let’s send a unmistakable message to those in power that we will always stand on guard for our freedom.

CLICK HERE FOR ANTI-SHARIA LAW PETITION (https://petitions.parl.gc.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-909)

[Chakra]

I'm american but support Chakra's endeavors. Good luck with your petition.


Not mine personally just wanting to bring awareness of issues we also share. It was created by a Member of Parliament, but thank you. It is exactly as you say it is - ie a global plan for destabilization of western countries to bring in a new world government - new world order.

[Chakra]

Is there a French version Chakra, this cannot be posted on French facebooks, people won't understand and won't sign.



Thanks for the suggestion - here is the link for the government page in French.

Petition in French (https://petitions.parl.gc.ca/fr/Petition/Sign/e-909)

[Richard S.]

Done, with pleasure...

[Karma Ninja]

There is NO chance of Sharia spreading across Canada. We already dealt with this in our courts and there is a legal precedent.

The person who made this petition is a coward and a fool.

A Member of Parliament started the petition

http://jamesbezan.com/

Not quite dead....

Liberal MP's anti-Islamophobia motion (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/m103-islamophobia-khalid-motion-1.3972194)

"Motion 103 was tabled by Mississauga, Ont., Liberal backbencher Iqra Khalid last fall, but will be discussed in the aftermath of last month's mass shooting at a Quebec City mosque. It calls on government to "condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination."

This could potentially open the door again to reestablish the argument for Sharia law.

"In her report and a video for The Rebel website, Kay said blasphemy laws conceived according to Shariah law could creep into Canada.
She said that could have a chilling effect on free speech and ultimately mean some of her columns could be deemed Islamophobic and subject to penalties.
"I'm worried. All Canadians should be worried," she wrote.

Trudeau: Balancing fundamental rights
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was asked about M-103 during a town hall meeting in Yellowknife Friday, with a participant questioning how the motion squares with Trudeau's claim to be a feminist. The questioner said by referencing Islamaphobia, M-103 risks silencing voices critical of oppressive practices rooted in Sharia law."

There may be people insinuating that M103 could reintroduce Sharia law but those people are woefully ignorant of the way our legal system works.

As I stated previously, this issue has already been dealt with and the numbers contained in the demographics of our country tell you it is nothing short of a waste of Parliaments time to address this issue. We have already addressed the issue but some people just can't grasp that concept.

http://www.canadianlawsite.ca/sharia-law-canada.htm

http://web.stanford.edu/group/sjir/pdf/Sharia_11.2.pdf

This James Bezan guy is wasting Parliaments time. This petition is a waste of time.

[Flash]

It is not a question of not grasping any concept at all.

It is a question of how you perceive politics, law and the world.

Officially, it has been dealt with - on a legal basis. BUT on one hand I have often seen "dealt with" issues resurfacing, and the laws being changed, moslty if money is involved.

On the other hand, the Canadian constitution ensures safety and the right to minorities views, speech, religion, etc. AND "reasonable" adaptation have to be made to ensure this. THis means the law may be changed to respect the constitution.

Also, 3-4% of the population can be a lot when they are extremely vocal. And I am sorry, but all Middle East, North Africa, and semitic people are culturally much more vocal than any of our North American counterparts (just think of the Jewish community, only 2%, one cannot say anything against Jews without having the law come down on their back, they get sued to the bone - because Jewish are vocal, and have money - same with many Muslims - interesting to note that it is religion that classifies the cultural behavior).

Personally, my opinion, I think you do not understand what Islam is, what are their tenets, and that jihad is a duty of any Islam believer. Therefore, they will be vocal, the minority of Muslims (not their majority), they will do anything to show their commitment to Islam, their ideology.

Therefore, 4% is very much enough.

Plus, within 20 years, they probably will be 20%. So their minority fanatics (now probably 0.001%) will be 1% for example. And this will create havoc.

I have seen it in shops where they not only ask for, but demanded specific arrangements that the company often cannot comply with, but does in order to buy peace in the work place. It is the non Muslim, the Christians or agnostics, that have to bend to religious behaviors not theirs.

The message, our message, has to be clear and vocal. Very limited special arrangements AND no sharia ever.

And once again, this is not a majority of Muslims, but a tiny minority that are pushing for Sharia, for special arrangements, for not working in the same environments than women, ...

for example, for shouting to a cashier at the store, where I am standing in line, while this Muslim men being with his wife, shout that he has the right to flirt the cashier because he is allowed 4 wifes, therefore telling all the Canadians present that he does not care about our laws,

for social workers having to go to Muslim houses where there is one legal Canadian wife and 3 illegals (brought in as aunts and cousins), and the bunch of children from those 4 wifes, all on welfare and the social worker is told to shut up even if the law is not respected and to release the monies - my and yours hard earned monies (but hey, it is only relating to women being used for money and to live free of work, why should we talk).

Even the way to book a medical appointment in Montreal had to change, because the louder you scream, the faster you are served. Canadians who did not use to have this culture of insistence and shouting are now starting to do it, because they realised they would be put last. Our own cultural fabric is changing in order to adapt, and not for the best.

I speak many languages, have been living with many different cultures in many countries, I have heard, in Canada, many places (subway, stores, etc) comments whispered in foreign languages about the stupidity of Canadians handling money free more children you have, those are not thanks notes, those are how can we abuse the system and you Canadians. Again and again.

So Karma Ninja, allow me to say that maybe, only maybe, you do not catch the whole context that needs to make sure our voices are voiced and clearly understood by Ottawa.

You see, those are what I have seen directly. You have to live with it to start understanding.




There is NO chance of Sharia spreading across Canada. We already dealt with this in our courts and there is a legal precedent.

The person who made this petition is a coward and a fool.

A Member of Parliament started the petition

http://jamesbezan.com/

Not quite dead....

Liberal MP's anti-Islamophobia motion (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/m103-islamophobia-khalid-motion-1.3972194)

"Motion 103 was tabled by Mississauga, Ont., Liberal backbencher Iqra Khalid last fall, but will be discussed in the aftermath of last month's mass shooting at a Quebec City mosque. It calls on government to "condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination."

This could potentially open the door again to reestablish the argument for Sharia law.

"In her report and a video for The Rebel website, Kay said blasphemy laws conceived according to Shariah law could creep into Canada.
She said that could have a chilling effect on free speech and ultimately mean some of her columns could be deemed Islamophobic and subject to penalties.
"I'm worried. All Canadians should be worried," she wrote.

Trudeau: Balancing fundamental rights
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was asked about M-103 during a town hall meeting in Yellowknife Friday, with a participant questioning how the motion squares with Trudeau's claim to be a feminist. The questioner said by referencing Islamaphobia, M-103 risks silencing voices critical of oppressive practices rooted in Sharia law."

There may be people insinuating that M103 could reintroduce Sharia law but those people are woefully ignorant of the way our legal system works.

As I stated previously, this issue has already been dealt with and the numbers contained in the demographics of our country tell you it is nothing short of a waste of Parliaments time to address this issue. We have already addressed the issue but some people just can't grasp that concept.

http://www.canadianlawsite.ca/sharia-law-canada.htm

http://web.stanford.edu/group/sjir/pdf/Sharia_11.2.pdf

This James Bezan guy is wasting Parliaments time. This petition is a waste of time.

[Karma Ninja]

It is not a question of not grasping any concept at all.

It is a question of how you perceive politics, law and the world. ....

Hi Flash,

Respectfully, you may not understand this topic in the way it needs to be understood.

Regardless of what you understand, these are the facts. This petition is being passed through the Federal system as James Bezan is an MP and sits in our Federal Parliament. This means he wishes to see the whole of Canada make it a law to ban Sharia across the nation. This is all fine and dandy. My personal preference agrees with his sentiment, in that, I don't want to see Sharia law practiced across this country either. But why do we need to make this a national law that is specific to Muslims and their religious laws? It certainly doesn't fit in with our multicultural and accepting image in the world. But, who cares, really?

The Ontario and Quebec Provincial courts have already seen, heard and have dealt with the matter. They have dealt with it swiftly and completely. They banned all ecclesiastical laws from governing over civil, contract and family law matter. This is now acknowledged and accepted and enforced. (With the exception of marriage bonds which can still be carried out in churches, mosques and synagogues) This means we don't need a law banning Sharia as we already have one. There would need to be a change to the law in order to allow Sharia. No one is ready to make that change at the Federal or Provincial level. It's not even a question.

This means... that in order for Canada to allow Sharia law it would require a Federal Judge to overrule the decisions of the Provincial Judges who have already presided over the matter. This requires an enormous wave of support. Judges don't like to step on each others toes and it would take a dramatic change to the narrative in order for a judge to consider the change. As I mentioned, there is NO SUPPORT for the implementation of Sharia in Canada. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA.

So where is the concern? Given that Muslims make up 3-4% of our population, that means that 96-97% of our nation does not and will not support Sharia. What are people worried about? Is it a reasonable problem for the Federal Court system to address? I would strongly argue that it is not. This is why the petition is a waste of time. It is not needed. It bogs down our system with wasted courtroom time burned on an issue which has no real chance of coming to fruition. It is one MP's way of making his constituents in his Manitoba riding feel like he is addressing their unreasonable concerns. Nothing will ever come of his petition. Especially with Trudeau in power. It is a total and complete waste of time.

All your other points about Muslims and Jews appear to be rooted in conjecture and hyperbole. At the root of your concerns is what I feel is the flaw to your argument. At the root, you feel we are weak and vulnerable as Canadians and that we on the verge of, or at the very least capable of, being taken over from the inside by a tiny group of Muslim radicals.

I don't believe this at all.

I think we are Canadians and if we were put to the test and our national identity was truly being threatened with a takeover then we would kick some serious ****ing ass and make sure it never happened. Put that in your bank of thoughts. Here is one Canadian who, even though we disagree on the topic of the petition, will never sit idly by and let our nation be overrun by radicals. I am not alone. So don't worry about it. We have this covered inside and out.

I'm not worried at all.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

There is NO chance of Sharia spreading across Canada. We already dealt with this in our courts and there is a legal precedent.

That's why changing demographics are so important. It may not be a big deal in Canada yet but European countries are already seeing 10% and more of their populations (just the admitted figures) becoming Islamic, and these are people who group together in unassimilated communities, raise very large families and are then able to vote. And they support Sharia Law.

The Secretary of State of the city of Berlin even supports Sharia Law. She's a high-ranking public official. In fact German courts have already allowed Sharia Law to be practiced in "no-go zones" without punishment.

Sharia Law will just be another form of diversity in the liberal agenda. Just give it time. Remember, 10 years ago liberals were still against illegal immigration. Now they're willing to go to the streets and destroy things to express their support for it. See the long-term trend yet?

[lunaflare]

Judges don't like to step on each others toes and it would take a dramatic change to the narrative in order for a judge to consider the change. As I mentioned, there is NO SUPPORT for the implementation of Sharia in Canada. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA.

I am not Canadian, but appreciate the concern that Sharia Law has the potential to become a viable presence in Canada. Muslim women, in particular, have direct experience and knowledge of the extreme violence, cruelty and abuses associated with this mind-set.

There seems to be an element of doubt in the above statement. There is no support now, but one could insert a "yet"...

On those grounds alone, a petition sends a physical and energetic signature that a Sharia-Law-reality in Canada is not acceptable. Ever.

From my understanding of the posts, it is not only the small (but growing) percentage of Muslims who may welcome Sharia Law.

[Richard S.]

Now that is a very clear perception of things to come...


Judges don't like to step on each others toes and it would take a dramatic change to the narrative in order for a judge to consider the change. As I mentioned, there is NO SUPPORT for the implementation of Sharia in Canada. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA.

I am not Canadian, but appreciate the concern that Sharia Law has the potential to become a viable presence in Canada. Muslim women, in particular, have direct experience and knowledge of the extreme violence, cruelty and abuses associated with this mind-set.

There seems to be an element of doubt in the above statement. There is no support now, but one could insert a "yet"...

On those grounds alone, a petition sends a physical and energetic signature that a Sharia-Law-reality in Canada is not acceptable. Ever.

From my understanding of the posts, it is not only the small (but growing) percentage of Muslims who may welcome Sharia Law.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Here is an article by Joseph Farrell:

HARVARD AND YALE OPEN SHARIA LAW STUDIES:
https://gizadeathstar.com/2017/01/harvard-yale-open-sharia-law-studies/

IMO, We must be vigilant about these things as they find other ways to slowly introduce ideas. I ask: Why are we studying a subject that we don't want to integrate into our society? Yet as far as I know, no one has complained about this. Could it be that the so-called liberals have made it politically incorrect to say anything about Muslims that isn't positive, as if then you are a racist.

[Carmody]

It is not a question of not grasping any concept at all.

It is a question of how you perceive politics, law and the world. ....

Hi Flash,

Respectfully, you may not understand this topic in the way it needs to be understood.

Regardless of what you understand, these are the facts. This petition is being passed through the Federal system as James Bezan is an MP and sits in our Federal Parliament. This means he wishes to see the whole of Canada make it a law to ban Sharia across the nation. This is all fine and dandy. My personal preference agrees with his sentiment, in that, I don't want to see Sharia law practiced across this country either. But why do we need to make this a national law that is specific to Muslims and their religious laws? It certainly doesn't fit in with our multicultural and accepting image in the world. But, who cares, really?

The Ontario and Quebec Provincial courts have already seen, heard and have dealt with the matter. They have dealt with it swiftly and completely. They banned all ecclesiastical laws from governing over civil, contract and family law matter. This is now acknowledged and accepted and enforced. (With the exception of marriage bonds which can still be carried out in churches, mosques and synagogues) This means we don't need a law banning Sharia as we already have one. There would need to be a change to the law in order to allow Sharia. No one is ready to make that change at the Federal or Provincial level. It's not even a question.

This means... that in order for Canada to allow Sharia law it would require a Federal Judge to overrule the decisions of the Provincial Judges who have already presided over the matter. This requires an enormous wave of support. Judges don't like to step on each others toes and it would take a dramatic change to the narrative in order for a judge to consider the change. As I mentioned, there is NO SUPPORT for the implementation of Sharia in Canada. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA.

So where is the concern? Given that Muslims make up 3-4% of our population, that means that 96-97% of our nation does not and will not support Sharia. What are people worried about? Is it a reasonable problem for the Federal Court system to address? I would strongly argue that it is not. This is why the petition is a waste of time. It is not needed. It bogs down our system with wasted courtroom time burned on an issue which has no real chance of coming to fruition. It is one MP's way of making his constituents in his Manitoba riding feel like he is addressing their unreasonable concerns. Nothing will ever come of his petition. Especially with Trudeau in power. It is a total and complete waste of time.

All your other points about Muslims and Jews appear to be rooted in conjecture and hyperbole. At the root of your concerns is what I feel is the flaw to your argument. At the root, you feel we are weak and vulnerable as Canadians and that we on the verge of, or at the very least capable of, being taken over from the inside by a tiny group of Muslim radicals.

I don't believe this at all.

I think we are Canadians and if we were put to the test and our national identity was truly being threatened with a takeover then we would kick some serious ****ing ass and make sure it never happened. Put that in your bank of thoughts. Here is one Canadian who, even though we disagree on the topic of the petition, will never sit idly by and let our nation be overrun by radicals. I am not alone. So don't worry about it. We have this covered inside and out.

I'm not worried at all.

The thing about the devil, in legend and in the idea of evil prevailing, it's about the moment of entry, the moment of the engagement, that is everything. What this means in this context, is they just need the doorway, the moment of entrance.

While the courts are struggling to do something with order, rule of law, and legal means..or to do things 'right' or correctly', the system itself already is torn down. That moment of pause is the moment required for the system to be irrevocably damaged.


What you are talking about is a system of social order and law that is designed to work on things after the fact. That system has a known history of being entirely ineffectual in matters that happen in immediacy, in actions that require immediate response. Ineffectual in critical aspects of social and cultural response, the kind that is in effect in each living and breathing moment as a social grease and norm of life in the moment.

The moment energy in motion, of the public, must move as fast as the moment of energy in the directed destruction of the system. Reaction cannot be allowed as the damage is done already. Action must be in place to parry the initial thrust. As that is the moment of entry, destruction, and permanent damage.

It's nice and humane that you have a system of order and operation, A system of sequence of correct events, rules and so on. Rule of law and whatnot.

What you are dealing with is designed from the ground up to circumvent that system and is actually successfully doing so.

The truth of the matter is the courts have issues, corruption ones, and they also have issues of being solely designed to deliver judgment after the fact, not before or during.

In the parlance of how the devil or such societal breaching and breaking issues operate successfully (on your blind side, duh!), they (courts, law, and society) operate after the virus has entered the body and kills off the host and kills off the legal system. The law works only for time enabled social and cultural systems that are fully erected and stable and of historical depth. They work through time in layers of function, on matters of the PAST that have been (or are being) resolved.

The people of Canada are also slow to react and then they are also misled by their newspapers, media, politicians, etc...and the law will only react to the breaches of law and social order/culture that are brought to them, either politically brought to them, brought by the media or brought by the people.

This is an asymmetrical invasion designed to get past the slow legal, population, and cultural/social scenarios. Asymmetrical. Intentional. Directed and also driven by the people within the attack -and those who put them there. Intentional lateral injection of decohesion through the seen and realized gap in the defenses.

I'm overstating myself as it needs be clear as to what exactly you are dealing with: An intentional asymmetrical directed and planned dechoeshion attack by a thoughtful, intelligent set of actors that are hiding in the backdrop.

To clarify again, all the courts can do is put a man in jail for committing murder. They operate post fact, not in-situ in time with the fact. In this case it is a adaptable and backed/controlled asymmetrical parallel injection of an attack on a entire society and cultural system, a society and culture which will be broken/damaged by the injection and act....and there will be no immediate act in rule of law or stability in such -- with which to protect itself. The sword will be down and be pointed elsewhere. The virus will enter the body. The disease will run it's course.

Preventing that, means action by the public in the immediate.

I'm not talking about this political issue I'm talking about the misleading of the public about the seriousness of the attempt to disrupt and how a bit of alarm in the public can go a long way.

Either way, in passivity or in alarm, harm will be done, some specific situations will go bad and individuals will come to harm. In any given direction. This is unavoidable considering the backdrop of the origin of the problem and it's thrust. You've got hidden butchers and sociopaths/psychopaths in the backdrop, manipulating/creating wars (each one more cunning and involved than the last) and screwing over societies, killing many millions and attempting to overthrow and disrupt each other, even on their own turfs - which they fight over.

This can only end badly.

[Carmody]

Canada, and more specifically Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, has been applauded in recent months for its decision to lift visa requirements for Mexican 'tourists' as of December 1st. Rather than a visa, under Trudeau's administration, border hoppers are now only required to have a so-called Electronic Travel Authorisation (ETA) which can be purchased online for CAD $7.

But, while enlightened politicians and progressive media commentators of the world endlessly praise open borders, Canada's 'average joes', much like in the U.S., are apparently overwhelmingly in favor of deporting the recent influx of illegal immigrants looking to escape the 'xenophobic', 'racist' policies of Trump's administration in the U.S. According to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released earlier today, nearly half of Canadians want to deport people who are illegally crossing into Canada from the United States, and a similar number disapprove of how Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is handling the influx.

Of the 1,001 Canadian voters polled by Reuters, 48% said that illegal border hoppers should be deported back to the U.S. while a similar margin, 46%, said they disagree with how Trudeau is handling the recent immigration crisis.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-20/nearly-half-canadians-are-racists-new-poll-finds

[Tangri]

There is NO chance of Sharia spreading across Canada. We already dealt with this in our courts and there is a legal precedent.


It is nothing short of fear-mongering and cowardice that drives someone to create a petition like this... The person who made this petition is a coward and a fool.
..........
Thank you

[Ernie Nemeth]

As much as you may protest, Sharia law IS being practiced in Canada.

It may not be legally binding but it most assuredly is happening.

How could any think otherwise? Our judicial system is primarily Judeo-Christian in substance, why should Muslims adopt an apostate's heretical system? They have their own Montessori schools, their own mosques and holy men. They have their own ideas of justice, too. They wish to mold society to reflect the values of Muslims just as Judeo-Christians have done.

But then again, we are no longer bound by natural law. We are under occupation and forced to obey Maritime Law - the law of the sea. And just like us, Muslims are conquered too. At some point we all must understand that the enemy is the occupier, not the servant.

The Babylonian gods of Judeo-Christian-Muslim heritage are not our gods.

Man does not bow to idols or little gods.

[DeDukshyn]

As much as you may protest, Sharia law IS being practiced in Canada.

It may not be legally binding but it most assuredly is happening.

How could any think otherwise? Our judicial system is primarily Judeo-Christian in substance, why should Muslims adopt an apostate's heretical system? They have their own Montessori schools, their own mosques and holy men. They have their own ideas of justice, too. They wish to mold society to reflect the values of Muslims just as Judeo-Christians have done.

But then again, we are no longer bound by natural law. We are under occupation and forced to obey Maritime Law - the law of the sea. And just like us, Muslims are conquered too. At some point we all must understand that the enemy is the occupier, not the servant.

The Babylonian gods of Judeo-Christian-Muslim heritage are not our gods.

Man does not bow to idols or little gods.

Crime is practiced all across Canada. If Sharia law opposes Canadian law, it's a crime. Criminals will continue to be prosecuted as per Canadian law -- as we have seen with extreme sharia practices in Canada who commit Canadian crimes. So far, I don't know of any criminal case where a judge made a ruling based not on Canadian law. But if this ever occurs, please let me know, I'll be one to have something to say on that.

Outlaw biker gangs also have their own laws, as does each of the gangs really. But at the end of the day do we fear that the gangs will enforce their laws on society and make it an unsafe place? A criminal is a criminal. I won't be getting concerned until that first judge makes a ruling based on Sharia. If that ever occurs (which I doubt), then we may have a genuine concern.

[Karma Ninja]

I see the point people are trying to pass along to me. I get it. I don't totally agree but that doesn't matter. I don't get behind things that are a total waste of time.

I just don't understand a petition to make a law, that already exists, even more of a law. Especially when the reason for this new law is to affect only people of the Muslim faith. It's like some guy was sitting around hating on Muslims, drinking beer and decided...

"I think we need to make a new law to overrule the old law which already addresses my concerns which, in effect, makes my new law redundant. But my new law is going to be so big a law that it will overrule all the other laws which aren't as law-ey as this new law which is the most law-iest law in the history of law! Than people who don't understand the old laws will now understand because the new law will be even more clearer a law. It's going to be the best law of all time. No one will question my law. I'm going to start a petition right away!"

:dancing:

[Carmody]

As much as you may protest, Sharia law IS being practiced in Canada.

It may not be legally binding but it most assuredly is happening.

How could any think otherwise? Our judicial system is primarily Judeo-Christian in substance, why should Muslims adopt an apostate's heretical system? They have their own Montessori schools, their own mosques and holy men. They have their own ideas of justice, too. They wish to mold society to reflect the values of Muslims just as Judeo-Christians have done.

But then again, we are no longer bound by natural law. We are under occupation and forced to obey Maritime Law - the law of the sea. And just like us, Muslims are conquered too. At some point we all must understand that the enemy is the occupier, not the servant.

The Babylonian gods of Judeo-Christian-Muslim heritage are not our gods.

Man does not bow to idols or little gods.

Crime is practiced all across Canada. If Sharia law opposes Canadian law, it's a crime. Criminals will continue to be prosecuted as per Canadian law -- as we have seen with extreme sharia practices in Canada who commit Canadian crimes. So far, I don't know of any criminal case where a judge made a ruling based not on Canadian law. But if this ever occurs, please let me know, I'll be one to have something to say on that.

Outlaw biker gangs also have their own laws, as does each of the gangs really. But at the end of the day do we fear that the gangs will enforce their laws on society and make it an unsafe place? A criminal is a criminal. I won't be getting concerned until that first judge makes a ruling based on Sharia. If that ever occurs (which I doubt), then we may have a genuine concern.

First it has to be recognized by the populace as criminal, and then it has to be recognized that the number of sharia law supporters and adherents easily outnumbers the biker population and is also increasing rapidly. It is well in the range (already) of making the bikers look like a small cadre of pikers.

And when it is finally recognized as a major problem, it will be too late to deal with it effectively, regarding the courts. The basis of life in the streets and commonality of the people will be a prior fact and scenario, one that will be in the moment of damage, notable damage.

Basically, angry and primed to go to war in the middle east and in their own homes and streets in a way that will make what has come before look like a freaking walk in the park.

On those two fronts, of making the enemy wipe themselves out with another enemy, the Talmud end of things...and the Nazis... are quite nicely aligned. plus some aspects of the Pentagon seem to want this to happen as well. And the arms manufacturers? well, look at their ethics, historically...

It is obvious as the day is long that this is being forced on us. This pretext to total war from the middle east to your living room, all inclusive, is being forced.

I'm neither liberal or conservative, neither republican or democrat. I'm a practical realist and this forced precondition, this purposely inflammatory pretext to total war....is literally writ large across the entire scenario. From Kamloops, to Montreal, to New York, to San Diego, to Brussels, to London, to Berlin, to Paris, to Adelaide, it is quite the forced and controlled game.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Amen to all the above: literally.

[Chakra]

Agreed To (http://www.parl.gc.ca/HouseChamberBusiness/ChamberVoteDetail.aspx?Language=e&Mode=1&Parl=42&Ses=1&FltrParl=42&FltrSes=1&Vote=237)

That, in the opinion of the House, the government should: (a) recognize the need to quell the increasing public climate of hate and fear; (b) condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination and take note of House of Commons’ petition e-411 and the issues raised by it; and (c) request that the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage undertake a study on how the government could (i) develop a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including Islamophobia, in Canada, while ensuring a community-centered focus with a holistic response through evidence-based policy-making, (ii) collect data to contextualize hate crime reports and to conduct needs assessments for impacted communities, and that the Committee should present its findings and recommendations to the House no later than 240 calendar days from the adoption of this motion, provided that in its report, the Committee should make recommendations that the government may use to better reflect the enshrined rights and freedoms in the Constitution Acts, including the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Iqra Khalid - Private Members' Motions (http://www.parl.gc.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/Iqra-Khalid(88849)/Motions?documentId=8661986)


A noteworthy discussion on the backstory of word use - Islamophobia.

Barbara Kay (http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/barbara-kay-how-long-until-my-honest-criticism-of-islamism-constitutes-a-speech-crime-in-canada)


M-103 asks for a study to determine “a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including Islamophobia.” Though singled out for special consideration, it is noteworthy that the motion does not define Islamophobia.

What I fear is that MP Iqra Khalid, who tabled M-103, may understand Islamophobia to mean what its original promoters, the 56 Muslim-majority bloc of the United Nations known as the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), say it means. The OIC wants to see the Cairo Declaration on Human rights become the template for Islamophobia policies everywhere. The Cairo Declaration asserts the superiority of Islam and defines freedom of speech according to Shariah law, which considers any criticism of Muhammad blasphemy.

The OIC is inching ever closer to realizing that goal. Many EU countries are seeking to criminalize Islamophobia by using “racism and xenophobia,” “public order” or “denigration” laws, which are essentially proxies for the Cairo Declaration. As I noted in a previous column, former French screen star and animal-rights activist Brigitte Bardot, who finds Islam’s practice of animal sacrifice abhorrent and says so publicly, has been prosecuted and fined four times for “inciting racial hatred.”

More reading on why this is an issue.

Two Threats to Freedom of Speech: M-103 and C-16 (http://www.maximebernier.com/two_threats_to_freedom_of_speech_m_103_and_c_16)

[Hervé]

There you go... the foot in the door for slamming anti Sharia as Islamophobic...

'Anti-Islamophobia' motion 103 passes in Canada: Will anything change? (http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/rex-murphy-m-103-has-passed-and-what-today-has-changed-for-the-better)

Rex Murphy National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/rex-murphy-m-103-has-passed-and-what-today-has-changed-for-the-better)
Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:04 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s19/386187/large/_620_465_Chromium_15_36_36_26_.png (https://www.sott.net/image/s19/386187/full/_620_465_Chromium_15_36_36_26_.png)


The basic question to ask the supporters of the contentious anti-Islamophobic motion is has it any utility? Will it do anything? Will it change attitudes for the better? If there is a stock of genuine Islamophobia in Canada, will recording this motion decrease it, or move to decrease it?

That, I presume, was the priority consideration in the minds that brought it forth. Obviously, they must have thought it would, for otherwise there would be no point in issuing it, arguing for it, and stirring the quite considerable debate it already has.

For the motion itself, and the politics that attended it, have not been without contention. The questions raised on its wording were legitimate. Why the particular focus on Islam? Why not a motion, as some have suggested, speaking out against prejudice against all religions?

[...]

Full article: https://www.sott.net/article/346409-Anti-Islamophobia-motion-103-passes-in-Canada-Will-anything-change

[Helene West]

Herve

You ask above - "Why the particular focus on Islam? Why not a motion, as some have suggested, speaking out against prejudice against all religions?"

The Canadian gov has put Canadians on notice. The elites have obviously decided that Canada is next on the list of (former) sovereign nations to be flooded with muslims and they want to make sure naive Canadians have their mouths taped up good to not complain or do anything about it. It will be the equivalent of a terror campaign as they will be arrested now if they try to take action. They will be victims watching the death of their culture as europeans.

The better question to ask is - will caucasian people ever rebel against the last three generations of Psy-Ops they have been subjected to. If whites are not self-loathing or resist celebrating everyone else's culture but their own they will be racist. They have been told they are born racist will die racist and don't deserve anything. Will whites ever be debriefed or awaken from this cult type brainwashing and stand up for themselves? It's not about religion at all. It's about transforming western civilization into one large technocratic helpless banana republic and the elites have found a powerful weapon to help them in the transformation - islam.

[Tangri]

Herve

You ask above - "Why the particular focus on Islam? Why not a motion, as some have suggested, speaking out against prejudice against all religions?"

The Canadian gov has put Canadians on notice. The elites have obviously decided that Canada is next on the list of (former) sovereign nations to be flooded with muslims and they want to make sure naive Canadians have their mouths taped up good to not complain or do anything about it.





I do not think, it is a correct interpretation.

Canadians do not like to see "French sense of humor" in the name of free speech in their press, like French Charlie Hebdo's humor on a poor Syrian child death as below.
As you might know we have some French culture living among us.

English translation" Christians walks on the water but Muslim infants flow"

We do not want to see here such kind of humor. [Mod-edit: Indeed! So I removed it. Hervé]

[Hervé]

Herve

You ask above - "Why the particular focus on Islam? Why not a motion, as some have suggested, speaking out against prejudice against all religions?"
[...]
I don't relate to that comment since I am not the author of that article:


'Anti-Islamophobia' motion 103 passes in Canada: Will anything change? (http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/rex-murphy-m-103-has-passed-and-what-today-has-changed-for-the-better)

Rex Murphy National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/rex-murphy-m-103-has-passed-and-what-today-has-changed-for-the-better)
Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:04 UTC
As for the off topic "French Humor" indeed it's not a place to insert it here... so I removed it.