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aikya
16th February 2011, 15:41
Money is a control mechanism . If the people of a country can elect its leaders do they not own its resource`s?

If they own the resource`s of the nation and a government allows a corporation to exploit those resource`s then shouldn`t you be compensated for this directly instead of the government or receive the end result at a discounted rate?

These things are not happening Government has lost sight of what they should be protecting .

GREED runs this land called earth. Corporations take from it and when they are done most simply walk away leaving Governments to clean up at your expense and tax dollars. No consideration is given to the environment . Then they have the nerve to try and blame humanity for the CO2 levels, and many will of course want to do their part, but now they are letting the ones who caused the problem off the hook and looking for you to pay for the clean up again .

I agree with you, about governments, but the problem as I see it is that we don't select our leaders - or at least we select between puppet A, puppet B and puppet C, etc. Whichever one is selected, the agenda will be fundamentally the same. So, unless the whole government and opposition are scrapped and people with integrity, who aren't puppets, are elected, suffrage iisn't a viable means of resolving the problem.

For that reason, I'm watching the situation in Egypt with my heart in my mouth.

Ahkenaten
16th February 2011, 17:57
Unfortunately the way things are trending if there is a military coup in the US it will be lauded as a democratic grassroots revolution of the people...........ditto anywhere else in the world apparently

Northern Boy
16th February 2011, 20:09
Basically the person you elect does not represent the people. You elect a party with its own agenda subject to no one. This is how it has been where ever democracy exits. Until such times as new legislation is passed giving the citizens the right of recall and the power to dismiss some one elected by them for not adhering to the people`s wish`s. Nothing will change



Unfortunately the way things are trending if there is a military coup in the US it will be lauded as a democratic grassroots revolution of the people...........ditto anywhere else in the world apparently


There doesn`t have to be a coup the US is under martial law has been since the Civil war when Lincoln suspended it,
. That is way you fly the military flag. The civilian flag was a different arrangement of the same colors



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHlHUpBCt1A

Shairia
17th February 2011, 01:25
Hi Ahk:
This will be my 1st post here on Avalon. I have been reading and enjoying this forum for nearly a year with very great interest, especially the latest and greatest with Bill and "Charles". You have hit the nail on the head here regarding "consciousness". I am well learned regarding this subject and well experienced. Suffice it to say that I am one of the few who has dared to go to the end of the proverbial "rabbit hole". The end all culminates in the Heart of the One, Itself. I have pretty much kept this to myself and only those closest to me as I have seen too many eyes glaze over as I spoke about it. It was and is a sacred journey! However I believe its time to open up and lend all the support I can at this time. The name given to the entire experience is known as Cosmic Consciousness, yet even that description is limited!
I have a keen interest in your particular thread and have thought long and hard over how to correctly address the problem(s) you have laid out. There are no easy answers, especially if you are inexperienced in what consciousness itself really is. Education and experience is paramount. One must understand that you are consciousness 1st above all things and that you are a sovereign entity, one who has taken all their power back and is totally responsible for your own energy. I could go on and on but will refrain for now. The power of consciousness increases exponentially when people come together with the same will and intent while sharing the same vision. This cannot be overstated as long as that focus is maintained energetically. Henry Ford once said " If you think you can or cannot, you are right".

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This is an awesome post!

Setras
17th February 2011, 01:33
The problem with withdrewing consent from the control paradigm comes from the enforcers of the paradigm, those who are put on the front line and pushed into co-ercing the non-consenters. These are the people who need to make a difference, they need to stand up too and say "I DO NOT CONSENT"

Ahkenaten
17th February 2011, 02:07
Setras yes what you say is correct..............the people on the front lines must be prepared to say BASTA

Setras
17th February 2011, 02:12
Setras yes what you say is correct..............the people on the front lines must be prepared to say BASTA

What good is there in pushing the button when the missile has no fuel....

Ahkenaten
20th February 2011, 05:49
Setras yes what you say is correct..............the people on the front lines must be prepared to say BASTA

What good is there in pushing the button when the missile has no fuel....

Weren't you the one who was recommending in your post that the people on the front lines must stand up and say I do not consent? I am not sure "pushing the button" is the same as saying I DO NOT CONSENT. As for missiles...........well.........

Dale
20th March 2011, 02:03
I suppose if everyone withdrew from everything, there'd be nothing left but those at the very top - and they'd probably end up withdrawing, too.

The problem is, it becomes quite difficult to teach 6 billion people independence vs. dependence, and how to live outside of the system they've kept alive for eons ;)

The Mad spirtualist
20th March 2011, 02:43
Here is an example of withdrawing!;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtJ9E4E6rHw

Ahkenaten
20th March 2011, 07:54
I suppose if everyone withdrew from everything, there'd be nothing left but those at the very top - and they'd probably end up withdrawing, too.

The problem is, it becomes quite difficult to teach 6 billion people independence vs. dependence, and how to live outside of the system they've kept alive for eons ;)

I really think change comes with a change of heart and mind first - then the practical everyday actions follow. That is of course an ideal................in the case of a disaster - then people are forced to make immediate changes and have little choice but reacting. I would prefer that we begin to light the fire of change of heart and mind now before total disaster strikes....and it does appear that some kind of disaster this way comes in the not too distant future....a disaster of our own making because we have procrastinated about making the changes that everyone can see needs to be made, and soon. If we begin with the changes in the hearts and minds starting with individuals and gaining momentum, we can prepare for our destiny - In that way we can use our remaining time and our minds to the best advantage of us all.