Intravenous Vitamin C Cancer Therapy: quite effective

[Justplain]

Vitamin – C Cancer Therapy

The following is taken from the link at the bottom of this OP.

As the United States media becomes concentrated into ownership of the very few, we lose access to complete information about what is really happening in every field of human endeavor. Specifically, in the case of medicine, the problem of media blackouts on natural medicine is further compounded by the immense power of the pharmaceutical industry. That industry’s massive advertising budgets have had obvious influence over the editorial slant of many publications and other media.

As a result, there are extraordinarily effective natural treatments for cancer that never make the airwaves, and that cancer patients may only hear about from their oncologists, and then in the form of dire warnings to the patient not to distract himself or herself from chemotherapy.

An excellent review of natural cancer treatments, written by a top-notch cancer researcher, is The Cancer Industry, by Ralph Moss, PhD.

Fortunately, there are still some institutions on this earth that have not been entirely bought and paid for by special interests, such as the Nobel Prize Committee. The chemist Linus Pauling was one of those extremely rare individuals to have actually won two Nobel prizes. Of Pauling’s prodigious life work, his research with high-dose Vitamin-C and cancer therapy has probably had the most far-reaching effect in the lives of an increasing number of people.

Vitamin C Kills Cancer Cells

Dr. Pauling showed that for all the various kinds of cancer that one can acquire, Vitamin C induces apoptosis. In other words, it kills cancer cells. It does this without inducing more pain or side effects, within weeks to months, and for a small fraction of the cost of chemotherapy. He showed that some go into remission completely on Vitamin C alone (which I have verified in my own medical practice), and that for other more severe and late-stage cases, either outright cure or lengthening of life and easing of pain are the rule rather than the exception.

As a result of Pauling’s work and my own previous healing of cancer patients, I offer this therapy to cancer patients at any stage of their diagnosis. I inject high-dose intravenous Vitamin C (with other anti-cancer nutrients) to these patients, and have had them respond well. I have worked with Stage One through Stage Four cancers, from fairly benign to as life-threatening as pancreatic cancer. I have had cancer patients go into remission in as little as seven weeks on my intravenous Vitamin-C cancer therapy and other nutrient therapy alone. And I have had others with more intractable tumors, for whom the tumors never really went away, but rather encapsulated in scar tissue, which rendered them neither growing nor shrinking, but more like tough shells of what they were, reduced from the high-dose blood supply that enabled their previous growth. These patients are now stable and holding their own.

https://natureworksbest.com/vitamin-c-cancer-therapy/?gclid=CPbH8NDY_NICFci4wAodzWgHMg

[Hervé]

See this thread as well: I.V. Vitamin C And Cancer - Linus Pauling Protocol (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93573-I.V.-Vitamin-C-And-Cancer-Linus-Pauling-Protocol)

[sheme]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQh7YA9aY5k I met this lady some years ago a power house of humanity she wrote a book about her cancer and the choices she made, inspiring human being. Her book called "The Topic of Cancer" by Jessica Richards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSJT65SafMo this lady did IV vit C and vegetarian raw food diet.

[Carmody]

and then in the form of dire warnings to the patient not to distract himself or herself from chemotherapy.

Do they tell the patients that chemotherapy is like having a revolver that takes 10 bullets, filling it with 9 bullets, snapping it shut, spinning the chamber, and then putting the gun to your head and pulling that trigger?

As chemotherapy and cancer, is a 10% cure rate. Same odds as that gun.

To top it off, a 'cure' rate is if the people live 5 years.

Which some of those 10% whom survive get cancer again, after the 5 years are up. So the actual survival rate is closer to being less than 5%, with chemotherapy.

So, chemotherapy is the LAST resort, not the first.

[Bubu]

IV vitamin C seems to be the fad lately (in the media) prompting to raise some red flag. It will help a lot if actual experience can be heard particularly from trustworthy Avalonians. thanks in advance

[CurEus]

The USA has almost completely banned compounding pharmacies from providing the necessary IV Vit C powders and solutions....something to think about.

http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-02-01-fda-quietly-bans-powerful-life-saving-iv-bags-with-vitamin-c.html

[Samson]

Sodium ascorbate is one of a number of mineral salts of ascorbic acid (vitamin C).

Both are sold as vitamin C.
In the Netherlands the ascorbate is sold close to everywhere, the ascorbic acid is only available in pharmacies!
Ive studied the works of Linus Pauling decades ago... Back then and today all the ppl who pretend to know keep on telling that the salt (ascorbate) is exactly the same as the acid.
I wondered and wondered why are they teaching us that salt is the same as acid...??!!
What is benifitial is the ascorbic ACID.

A Kilo of it costs 30 Euros and itll last more then a lifetime.
Its harmless... you can consume the kilo at ones... all that happens that youll be peeing pure vitamin c.
If you use it do tell your doctor!


The molecular formula of this chemical compound is C6H7NaO6. As the sodium salt of ascorbic acid, it is known as a mineral ascorbate. It has not been demonstrated to be more bioavailable than any other form of vitamin C supplement.[2] (wiki)

[BMJ]

IV vitamin C seems to be the fad lately (in the media) prompting to raise some red flag. It will help a lot if actual experience can be heard particularly from trustworthy Avalonians. thanks in advance

If you want to test the benefits of vitamin C, then the next time you have the flu take several vitamin c tablets over three days and within that time you will be cured. I usually take about 3,500mg a day (7 x 500mg tablets), the only side effect above that limit for me is diarrhea.

[Bubu]

Sodium ascorbate is one of a number of mineral salts of ascorbic acid (vitamin C).

Both are sold as vitamin C.
In the Netherlands the ascorbate is sold close to everywhere, the ascorbic acid is only available in pharmacies!
Ive studied the works of Linus Pauling decades ago... Back then and today all the ppl who pretend to know keep on telling that the salt (ascorbate) is exactly the same as the acid.
I wondered and wondered why are they teaching us that salt is the same as acid...??!!
What is benifitial is the ascorbic ACID.

A Kilo of it costs 30 Euros and itll last more then a lifetime.
Its harmless... you can consume the kilo at ones... all that happens that youll be peeing pure vitamin c.
If you use it do tell your doctor!


The molecular formula of this chemical compound is C6H7NaO6. As the sodium salt of ascorbic acid, it is known as a mineral ascorbate. It has not been demonstrated to be more bioavailable than any other form of vitamin C supplement.[2] (wiki)

I was having some red flag with this too. Now comes the IV version. The foolproof way for me is to consume lots of fruits. The only downside is that whenever I am away from home, and diet of fruits, say two or three weeks, I catch cold. This seems to always be the case. So the next time I am away I will remember to take big dose of ascorbic acid as a test.

[Bubu]

Now I remember. During the times that we were not yet living in this fruit paradise, we used to have ascorbic acid at home most of the time. I remember one of my daughter confirming that it helps with her colds. Same with me. although we didnt have a detailed monitoring. But the general consensus is that it helps. Ascorbic acid is very well known to benefit health. Could it be that this ascorbate version is an attempt to demonize it. Just like demonizing most of the substance that is good for us. just a thoutgh

[Basho]

Surprised that liposomal vitamin C has not been mentioned on this thread. Double or more the absorption rate of IV vit C. I've been making my own for years, cheap & easy.

Lots of info via google & YouTube search. I would provide links but I'm on my iPad & am not able to cut & paste to & from Avalon forum.

[Lifebringer]

I had lymphanopathy(forgot where paper work is, forgive the misspelling:p to any endocrinologist here) throughout my gland in my neck, shoulders, groin/pelvic region and under arm after quitting smoking 3 years ago. It came on suddenly (3 months) non painful tumors started enlarging rapidly. The closest Dr. appt 3 weeks or go to ER if they get painful or bleeding occurs. Scared the ungaga out of me, so I went to youtube for testimony an visual proof of what worked. Used them all, but the main was the 2tablespoons of baking soda w/3 TBSN of either honey, molasses, or maple syrup(shrinks tumors 70% in 3 days in some people in the video, but mine took 7 days as I didn't have enough funds to stock up and meet set times for dosage. So I garlic cloved on those days I didn't have frozen concentrated OJ.(168% vit C)
I alternated days a 3 day dose for both OJ& bak/soda/honey/8ozH2O, and the concentrated OJ on other day leaving my Sabbath for the day of rest n faith. Next day back to same regimine. Dr was called through a stand in doctor to my doctor, and the appt was pushed to 3 days before I started treating it myself. Doc discovered several tumors and hardness in the areas mentioned, said he would set appt with endocrinologist and that doctor would be in touch. He said he suspected lymphoma throughout my body and in the 17 yrs of seeing him, I never saw him look so worried. I told him I suspected it also, but was about to try natural cure,, before chemo. He said I can't recommend that, but he saw no harm by ingredients I was to use before seeing the chemo doc for tissue sample. Possibly, to which to be on safe side, they would administer chemo or the chemo pills? Sounded like I wasn't gonna be offered a choice, if I saw this doctor, when I read his office paperwork with appointment and release of info and a non-disclaimer for outcome of chemo medication damage. 3 weeks away, my doc set appt for day before appointment, follow-up at his office(patient pep talk)
Really, this took me for a loop and husband began to realize how serious this old work horse illness was.
Well long story short, tumor was size of pinky tip when I first discovered it, half a pinky in 96 hours to get emergency walk-in w/my doc, then at the follow-up before the chemo doctor appt, dissolved, shrunk to a thin flat small disc size of watch battery. My doctor cancelled that chemo appointment for me, and I've been great ever since. TRUTH. Reference that cure by searching youtube keywords, natural cures for cancer live testimony.
This one was a nurse in Florida from Jamaica where they have a high vitamin C fruit, than lime or lemon, but high vitamin C n baking soda video was more accessible/affordable for me. I and my doc call it: "poor's cancer cure."
Anyone can do this and I've passed it on to others with excellent results. Last person was 4 days ago that had "shunt" in her neck and scheduled chemo appointments, my eldest was 90 and she felt better/well enough to travel from Arkansas to FL to visit her grandchildren. Her doctor said she had liver and uterine cancer. Haven't heard from my son-in-law, who I testified my results to, when he told me about "his Mom.":clapping:

[Lifebringer]

Yes, but the ascorbic acid must come from natural fruit, not lab pill synthetic or treatment is slower.
Who would want to drag cancer about, seems you'd want it "none&done?"
Brazilian cherry powder is great fruit for this. Health food stores or the internet puts cures at our fingertips, if America wants to stay in stone age on medicinal cures.
Same with cannibis:silent:

[Guish]

Thanks a lot guys. Including fruits in the diet seems to be the way forward.

[suwesi]

Yes, but the ascorbic acid must come from natural fruit, not lab pill synthetic or treatment is slower.
Says who?

Check out http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/ - 60 years of vitamin c research there! For therapy (and all their research) they use strictly synthetic ascorbic acid.
That is what the immune system needs to act on in case of an emergency (sickness, accident...).

Of course in everyday life it makes sense to eat as many natural vitamins as possible. Vegetables and fruit have a lot of flavonoids that are very beneficial to stay healthy. But for high dose therapy it's useless.

For a mild infection the body needs 50g+ ascorbic acid a day (depending on the person -weight, smoker, general health conditions... it could be much more.)
To get that amount naturally you would have to eat 1.400 kiwis or 100kg oranges... I think you get the point...
For a heavy infection you need 100-200g a day...

I have no experience with ascorbic acid and cancer. But we have been using it for many years whenever something pops up.
I started using it, when antibiotics failed me big time. Ascorbic acid (100g+/day for a couple weeks) did the job.
Even my 3 year old takes 10-25g/day (so far 25g was the max needed) in case of emergency.

Your body tells you clearly, when you have enough (look for "bowel tolerance" on vitamincfoundation.org). It is not enough to feel your bowles grumbling (that could happen when your bowles are inflamed/have a problem at a very low dose). You alwas look for an "health bloost" (I describe it below with liposomal c).

Meanwhile we switched to liposomal vit c (DYI).
Basho writes about it in post #11.
With liposomal c you don't look for bowel tolerance, you look for a sudden subsiding of symptoms/energy boost etc. - you feel much better/healhier within minutes of finding your personal right dosage for the day.
(And it is so much easier to take and cheaper than IV)

It is such a shame, that this cheap, well researched and tremendously useful vitamin does not find its way into the mainstream medical system!

Greetings
Suwesi

[Bubu]

whenever I feel the need for more vit C I dissolve store bought C on pineapple or pomelo juice or simply take it with water melon. in the hopes that C will be more bio available. Maybe just maybe the whole fruit has all the necessary ingredients to make vit C easily assimilated.

[DeDukshyn]

Sodium ascorbate is one of a number of mineral salts of ascorbic acid (vitamin C).

Both are sold as vitamin C.
In the Netherlands the ascorbate is sold close to everywhere, the ascorbic acid is only available in pharmacies!
Ive studied the works of Linus Pauling decades ago... Back then and today all the ppl who pretend to know keep on telling that the salt (ascorbate) is exactly the same as the acid.
I wondered and wondered why are they teaching us that salt is the same as acid...??!!
What is benifitial is the ascorbic ACID.

A Kilo of it costs 30 Euros and itll last more then a lifetime.
Its harmless... you can consume the kilo at ones... all that happens that youll be peeing pure vitamin c.
If you use it do tell your doctor!


The molecular formula of this chemical compound is C6H7NaO6. As the sodium salt of ascorbic acid, it is known as a mineral ascorbate. It has not been demonstrated to be more bioavailable than any other form of vitamin C supplement.[2] (wiki)

Interesting ... in Canada, ascorbate is rarely used as a sole vitamin C source, and more or less only used when the mineral side of the salt is desired as well (for example in a multivitamin - magnesium ascorbate could provide both magnesium and C). Almost all individual "C" supplements are ascorbic acid. I guess you guys can thank codex alimentarius for the difference and inaccessibility to ascorbic acid???

The company I work for does sell bulk ascorbic acid to one practitioner I have had the pleasure of conversing with, who uses it for intravenous therapy and has had pretty good success, and even desirable results with cancer patients.

[Justplain]

I had lymphanopathy(forgot where paper work is, forgive the misspelling:p to any endocrinologist here) throughout my gland in my neck, shoulders, groin/pelvic region and under arm after quitting smoking 3 years ago. It came on suddenly (3 months) non painful tumors started enlarging rapidly. ... Scared the ungaga out of me, so I went to youtube for testimony an visual proof of what worked. Used them all, but the main was the 2tablespoons of baking soda w/3 TBSN of either honey, molasses, or maple syrup(shrinks tumors 70% in 3 days in some people in the video, but mine took 7 days as I didn't have enough funds to stock up and meet set times for dosage. So I garlic cloved on those days I didn't have frozen concentrated OJ.(168% vit C)
I alternated days a 3 day dose for both OJ& bak/soda/honey/8ozH2O, and the concentrated OJ on other day leaving my Sabbath for the day of rest n faith. Next day back to same regimine. .... Doc discovered several tumors and hardness in the areas mentioned, said he would set appt with endocrinologist and that doctor would be in touch. He said he suspected lymphoma throughout my body and in the 17 yrs of seeing him, I never saw him look so worried. ... he saw no harm by ingredients I was to use before seeing the chemo doc for tissue sample. ...Well long story short, tumor was size of pinky tip when I first discovered it, half a pinky in 96 hours to get emergency walk-in w/my doc, then at the follow-up before the chemo doctor appt, dissolved, shrunk to a thin flat small disc size of watch battery. My doctor cancelled that chemo appointment for me....

Hi Lifebringer, can you please clarify the frequency of taking the 2tbspns bkg soda + 3 tblspns honey/molasses/syrop, and how these were combined with OJ/water, etc.? Thx.

[Baby Steps]

Dear Justplain-thanks for detailing your success with ascorbic acid.

Have you any experience with he liposomal form?

Do you know the Canadian Docs who are getting results with DCA?

What are the nutrients you use with the Vit C?

many thanks

[conk]

Ascorbic acid is not vitamin C. Ascorbic acid is the antioxidant that protects the complete C vitamin. Vitamin C is made up of a variety of elements, ascorbic acid being only one of the constituent parts. Not saying it is not of benefit, but whole C provides the most benefit. Whole C is measured in doses much smaller than the measurements of ascorbic acid, as the whole C is all assimilated and used. Only a portion of ascorbic acid is used by the body.

Our naturopath did not provide IV C services for some months. As stated above the FDA removed the product used in the IV from the market. He has just now resumed the service. Not sure what changed and if the new variety of C is as beneficial.

Yes, liposomal C is a great option.

[suwesi]

Hi,

Ascorbic acid is not vitamin C. Ascorbic acid is the antioxidant that protects the complete C vitamin. Vitamin C is made up of a variety of elements, ...
Ascorbic acid = L-ascorbic acid = Vitamin C (the one and only)
www.vitamincfoundation.org/basics.php

If you take a fruit or a vegetable you have vitamin c + phytochemicals + bioflavonoids + carbs + ..... To use the ascorbic acid the body has to extract it, which takes time and is work for the digestive systems. So in case of a sickness it is easier to take pure ascorbic acid (or buffered, liposomal, IV...) - so the body can use it right away to heal itself.

To stay healthy it of course makes sense to eat the whole fruit/vegetable because we also need phytochemicals and bioflavonoids and ...

Greetings suwesi

[conk]

Hi,

Ascorbic acid is not vitamin C. Ascorbic acid is the antioxidant that protects the complete C vitamin. Vitamin C is made up of a variety of elements, ...
Ascorbic acid = L-ascorbic acid = Vitamin C (the one and only)
www.vitamincfoundation.org/basics.php

If you take a fruit or a vegetable you have vitamin c + phytochemicals + bioflavonoids + carbs + ..... To use the ascorbic acid the body has to extract it, which takes time and is work for the digestive systems. So in case of a sickness it is easier to take pure ascorbic acid (or buffered, liposomal, IV...) - so the body can use it right away to heal itself.

To stay healthy it of course makes sense to eat the whole fruit/vegetable because we also need phytochemicals and bioflavonoids and ...

Greetings suwesi

Take corn syrup, add hydrochloric acid, and bingo! You've made ascorbic acid. It is expensive to isolate natural ascorbic acid from the real C complex. That's why the great majority of ascorbic acid is synthetic.

So you are getting cheated if you buy ascorbic acid thinking it is Vitamin C. But that might be the least of the consequences you may suffer. Studies over the last several years have demonstrated that people who take high doses of ascorbic acid actually put themselves at risk for a number of health challenges. One study demonstrated that doses of 500 mg a day or more of ascorbic acid increase the incidence of arterial plaque buildup. Another study indicated that gallstones are more likely to appear in those taking ascorbic acid. Are these backlash studies against the health food industry? No, they are legitimate studies.

Wait a minute, you may be thinking. What about all the studies done by Linus Pauling and a multitude of other reputable researchers who have proven the health promoting benefits of Vitamin C and ascorbic acid? Let us put a little perspective on the subject.

Back in the 1930’s ascorbic acid was isolated out of little red peppers. The man who first performed this experiment was Dr. Albert Szent-Gyorgyi who won a Nobel Prize for his work. What he also found, which has mostly been ignored until recently, was that ascorbic acid was far more biologically available and active while it was still in the red pepper.

Scientist of the era of “Better Living Through Chemistry and Science” (which we have been experiencing for the last fifty years) decided to take the discoveries about Vitamin C and “improve” on Mother Nature. First they found that extracting ascorbic acid from natural foods, such as the red peppers, cabbage, cranberries, gooseberries, or acerola berries, is relatively expensive. Ascorbic acid can be created in the laboratory much less expensively (and of course much more profitably). Scientists discovered that they could take corn syrup, mix it with hydrochloric acid, and voila: ascorbic acid! (By the way, the corn is more likely than ever to be genetically modified and of course not organically grown.) Years later, scientists discovered what Dr. Szent-Györgyi had discovered about ascorbic acid, it is not as effective when detached from the whole food matrix! So they went about trying to determine what other factors there could be in the whole food that would make the ascorbic acid work better. First, they discovered the importance of bioflavonoids, so they figured out how to produce these synthetically in the laboratory, to be added to the ascorbic acid. Then they found that ascorbic acid worked better as a mineral ascorbate and they worked on that! Then they found that fat soluble ascorbic acid was superior, because it went directly to the liver vs. water soluble ascorbic acid. In fact if you put 100 mg of ascorbic acid in the body, within a few hours at least 90% of it would be excreted in the urine. If you put 10 times more into the body to account for a 90% loss it would cause diarrhea. So they experimented with various things and concluded that if you attach the ascorbic acid molecule to another molecule, in one case a metabolite, the ascorbic acid will stay in the body longer (they didn’t seem to care why it stayed in the body longer, but it stayed in the body longer and hopefully that was a good thing). Today there is a broad variety of ascorbic acid products with various things attached to them. With all this research, time, thought and dollars being put into creating a synthetic vitamin C, the fact remains that none of them can come even close to the potentials of what Mother Nature makes. One important factor that science has not been able to duplicate is the special kind of energy that holds living food together. Whether this energy is found in the enzymes or in the energy patterns of whole food structures, it is unlikely that science will ever be able to reproduce it in a laboratory. This may be one of several reasons why studies have shown that the body will absorb close to 100% of the vitamin C that is consumed as part of a whole food, whereas barely 10% of the “stripped down” ascorbic acid is absorbed.

From Radiant Health.

[suwesi]

Take corn syrup, add hydrochloric acid, and bingo! You've made ascorbic acid. It is expensive to isolate natural ascorbic acid from the real C complex. That's why the great majority of ascorbic acid is synthetic.

So you are getting cheated if you buy ascorbic acid thinking it is Vitamin C.


"The old name for scurvy was scorbutes; so vitamin C, once identified, was quickly christened a-scorbutic acid; or ascorbic acid. Ignore the deluded ninnies that think ascorbic acid is something evil and not real vitamin C! It's as daft as saying H2O isn't water! And before you write to tell me: ascorbic acid is the name for both natural and synthetic vitamin C and BOTH work just fine, because they are identical." - Dr. Keith Scott-Mumby
(http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/basics.php)

If you want to look at it closer - there is a GMO and a NON-GMO way of producing it. The cheaper one is the GMO.
If you want to get the NON-GMO, look for "china-free".

Me and my family have been using the GMO based for 10+ years (simply because it is much cheaper. I have it regularly tested by muscle test. And as long as it tests fine, I will stick with it).



But that might be the least of the consequences you may suffer. Studies over the last several years have demonstrated that people who take high doses of ascorbic acid actually put themselves at risk for a number of health challenges. One study demonstrated that doses of 500 mg a day or more of ascorbic acid increase the incidence of arterial plaque buildup. Another study indicated that gallstones are more likely to appear in those taking ascorbic acid. Are these backlash studies against the health food industry? No, they are legitimate studies.
What studies are you talking about? Please specify. There are somewhere around 100.000 research papers out (the Vitamin C research started in the 60ies), so it is hard to find the one you are talking about without specifying it.

If you are referring to wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#cite_note-19 stating: "However, a second analysis found an inverse relationship between circulating vitamin C levels or dietary vitamin C and the risk of stroke" (Chen GC, Lu DB, Pang Z, Liu QF (2013))
English is not my native language, but what I take out of it: Circulating Vitamin C levels (and they do not distinguish between natural or synthetic) in people with the risk of stroke is higher.
So what?

It does not say anything about their vitamin C levels in the cells (intracellular). It does not say anything about their vitamin C intake. And it shows what everybody who is looking at the whole picture knows all along: the body tries everything to stay alive by mobilizing all it has (and in this case probably just counteracting the stroke risk by mobilizing all the reserves it has.)

What the sentence definitely does not say: that the risk of getting a heart attack is higher because your C intake is high (there is just not enough information in that sentence to get that answer).

In the next sentence they are talking about the “500mg meta-study” – but I do not see they are saying it is harmful and I do not see if they only talk about synthetic Vitamin C:
"A meta-analysis of 44 clinical trials has shown a significant positive effect of vitamin C on endothelial function when taken at doses greater than 500 mg per day" (Atherosclerosis Volume 235, Issue 1, Pages 9–20, July 2014. Published April 16, 2014. Accessed June 25, 2014.)
Usually in those studies they just hand out questionnaires and ask for an example day of your life (what have you eaten, what supplements have you taken). And then they add it together.

For example someone living on diet with lots of raw food will have 3.000mg+ Vitamin C a day. So how could the body say 500mg are too much?

If you referred to other studies, please specify. Thank you.

This may be one of several reasons why studies have shown that the body will absorb close to 100% of the vitamin C that is consumed as part of a whole food, whereas barely 10% of the “stripped down” ascorbic acid is absorbed.

Again: what studies are you referring to/where does the information come from?
How much is (orally) absorbed depends on the amount taken at once (+ how inflamed your intestines are..):
180 mg --> 80-90%
1,5g (1.500 mg) --> 50%
12g (12.500mg) --> 16%
(according to Hickey, Steve/Roberts Hillary, Ascorbate – The Science of Vitamin C, 2004 (ISBN: 1-4116-0724-4))

So if you are saying 50mg “natural” Vitamin C are absorbed a 100% whereas 15.000mg of synthetic vitamin C are only absorbed 10% - you are right. (but still – in the first case your body got 50mg, in the second case it got 1.500 mg).
So better take many small doses over the day than just a few high doses. (Vitamin C has a half time of 30 Minutes, so you should take it at least 4 times a day to be supported at all times throughout the day). It is as simple as that.

I have not found information saying that “natural” vitamin c (whatever you mean by that) is absorbed better than synthetic vitamin C. I am not even sure, if it has been researched?
Again: administering it iV or taking orally liposomal Vitamin C brings you to an absorption rate of 80%+ even with very high doses.

Conk, I am not trying to talk you out of C out of whole food. The more the better :waving:
BUT - in case of a acute sickness you simply cannot get enough naturaly. Therapeutic levels go up to 200g a day, which means 3.700 kg lemons a day. Even chronic conditions ask for really high levels. So even on my personal maintainence level (around 20g/day) I would still need 370 kg lemons.

Greetings Suwesi

[ThePythonicCow]

One study demonstrated that doses of 500 mg a day or more of ascorbic acid increase the incidence of arterial plaque buildup.
I guess I died a while back then. I started taking perhaps 1000 or 2000 mg per day several decades ago, and have averaged perhaps 3000 to 10000 mg (I prefer to say 3 to 10 gm) per day, for the last decade.

[conk]

Greetings Suwesi

I surrender! ;) I'm a big fan of Dr. Scott-Mumby and trust his judgment. I won't give up whole C, but will now trust ascorbic acid as a good choice too. Thanks!

[suwesi]

I'm a big fan of Dr. Scott-Mumby and trust his judgment. I won't give up whole C, but will now trust ascorbic acid as a good choice too. Thanks!
I had to get very very sick to be ready to even think of starting something "synthetical" (who on earth needs vitamins in pills? It's all in the food... :rolleyes:)
So great you are open to it even you do not need it right now! :clapping:

A great video by Dr. Suzanne Humphries on Vitamin C (not about cancer, but generally a good overview over the science behind it and how to use it in everyday life and in case of a sickness):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0LLX0sgwAU

Greetings
Suwesi

[Olam]

Liposomal is the way to go!
Vitamin C is more like a complex than just one item, ascorbic acid is but one element of full vitamin C.
Liposomal is complete and more like what you get in IV vitamin C.

[suwesi]

Hi Olam,
You are right, liposomal is much better absorbed then pure ascorbic acid.
But it is not "more complete" than ascorbic acid.
Ascorbic acid is pure vitamin c!

Liposomal Vitamin C is made of ascorbic acid + lecithin (+ sometimes buffered) + up to 20% alcohol. So you really have to read the ingrediens (if the lecithin is non-gmo etc.).
Best way: do it yourself (it will not be as encapsulated as the one you get to buy, but you know what's in it - and it is so much cheaper)!
And you can make your own recipes - and put in whatever vitamin is water solulable. :-)

Greetings Suwesi

[Olam]

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[ThePythonicCow]

Well, see this and tell me what you think!
In this video, Dr Berg presents us with a blizzard of misinformation, over simplification and selectively incomplete information ... in my not so humble opinion :).

[Olam]

Well, see this and tell me what you think!
In this video, Dr Berg presents us with a blizzard of misinformation, over simplification and selectively incomplete information ... in my not so humble opinion :).

It would be great if you can elaborate on that please, I would love to know whats wrong in this video!

[suwesi]

Hi Olam,
just my 5 cents:

Unfortunately Dr. Berg does not tell where his information comes from.
Just to take his example of this 1 cancer patient returning with a C deficiency after getting 100g iV in Mexico:
* How many days did he get it?
* Was it given "once a day" or always spaced out evenly over the course of the day?
* Was he on an oral C protocol, once he left the clinic?
* What other vitamins was he taking?
* and the most important question: did his health improve/stay the same/deteriorate due to his C intake? What happend to his cancer? (Did he get "spider veins" but in exchange maybe his cancer was gone?)
Soooo many unanswered questions!

(I am thinking about the "rebound effect" – in which case not the high amounts of C are to blame, but the lack of continuing C orally after the iV on a sufficiently high maintainence level).

(I had just this image show up, while I was trying to following his explanation: imagine a very dry place - just soil, almost no vegetation –and then it starts raining for a couple days. This is followed by hundreds of different plants starting to sprout. Following that, no more rain + the sun does not shine any more. All those new little plants start dying. So what causes that? Lack of sunshine? Lack of water (soil drying up again)?. Well, to follow Dr. Bergs line of putting it: the couple days of rain are to blaim – because in this area it usually does not rain at all, so if it had not rained, all those plants would not have tried to sprout and now would not die.)

And yes, from reading a lot and my personal experience with high dose vitamin C I do believe high doses of C can lead to other deficiencies. But all I know, not because Vit C is causing this, but because the immune system starts to do all kinds of "repair work" and therefore needs higher levels of other nutritients/vitamins as well. (e.g.: to fight off a virus sufficient Vitamin A is needed. To fight any inflammation you need sufficient Zinc a.s.o.) So it might be, that the C starts some process, that cannot be finished because other parts are missing.

I also do not understand the cross-reactions Dr. Berg describes. All I know is that K2 +D3+Boron+Magnesium+Calcium are interacting strongly. Copper is linked to Zinc, Zinc is linked to Vitamin C (if you need more C, take more zinc)– so yes, there is an interaction. (And of course every vitamin influences the whole body chemistry, so what he explains about K2, Copper … - is possible, but I just have not read anywhere about it isolated that way. I think there are other circulation processes that are well researched and confirmed).

I had far too high copper levels (and too low zinc levels) for years. Once I started supplementing zinc my copper went down to about the 1st 3rd of the scale and there it is since then (so it never got lower than that).

Me and my family have been on high dose ascorbic acid for the past 10 years - and none of us has spider veins (which are caused by K2, C, D3, E deficiency, so not just Vitamin C). I am the only one who has developed hemorrhoids. And yes, I developed them right after starting high dose oral C (about 10 years ago). It took me a while to find out, that I was deficient for just about anything, so after a while I started taking a multivitamin, D3, K2, Zinc,dha/epa.... – simply belance everything out. And my hemorrhoids haven’t gotten any worse after that 1 incident (never bleeding or anything like that). Besides Vitamin C also Vitamin E and Vitamin D3 are known to cause Hemorrhoids. So I’d rather “blame” the last 2 for me developing H.

I think Dr. Bergs Vitamin C Video is such a shame. I watched his other videos (potassium, electrolytes) and really found them interesting (not having read a lot about the topic myself before watching his information).
Now, after watcing his C Video, I am wondering if the others are better researched, or also just "his" opinion.

BUT I do think he points out something very important without naming it: taking high dose of ANY Vitamin can lead or demask other deficiencies. So especially in long term high dose therapies (such as cancer) you really have to make sure all that is needed is supplied in sufficient quantities to make your immune system work properly.

By the way: look at the comments beneath Dr. Bergs video.

Greetings
Suwesi

[Olam]

ok thanks suwesi for your info.
Anyone else care to add to this info?
thanks

[ThePythonicCow]

Well, see this and tell me what you think!
In this video, Dr Berg presents us with a blizzard of misinformation, over simplification and selectively incomplete information ... in my not so humble opinion :).

Well, I finally got around to suffering through this Dr Berg video again. It's worse than I thought :).

Ascorbic Acid is not just a "protective coating" for other factors whose "only function" is to protect those "internal components." That's a totally bogus misrepresentation.

Vitamin C is an important biologically active molecule that most animals make internally inabundance, and ascorbic acid is one form of that molecule, bonded to a hydrogen atom (which is what the word "acid" means here.) Other forms of Vitamin C bond that same molecule to a mineral (such as sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium or zinc), or more complex molecules (such as in the fat soluble form, ascorbyl palmitate.) Dr Berg's chemistry is all messed up, and displays more Vitamin C fear mongering in its misconceptions, misinformation and choice of words, than it does biological accuracy.

The story about a person getting scurvy and spider veins after an injection of 100 grams of ascorbic acid makes no sense to me, except as more fear mongering. That's a hundred times the dose I would expect to be used, and at best represents malpractice. Survy is caused by severe deficiency of Vitamin C, not by (if the story is even slightly true) a dramatically high dose.

Suwesi provides more valuable critiques of Dr Berg's video. Thanks suwesi for saving me having to write more in this reply.

I agree with suwesi that the body requires a variety of minerals, in various proportions, and I've spent much time in recent years learning the importance of various minerals for the well being of my own body.