Lucifer (and the NWO?)

[Ewan]

Lucifer, a name that has become synonymous with Satan but was it always thus?

I was reading Paul's recent post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97172-Important-post-by-The-Saker-on-the-Anglo-Zionist-Neocon-Jewish-elephant-in-the-room&p=1146659&viewfull=1#post1146659), or more accurately, after reading the linked article by The Saker, was led to further research.

Initially I went looking for an Alice A. Bailey book entitled Problems of Humanity which was first published shorty after WWII, as I recalled a passage or two contained an interesting perspective on the Jewish people. I had no luck but did find another book called The Destiny of the Nations. (uncertain publication date, copyright 1949 but that was also the year Alice Bailey passed so it does not reflect year of publication).
Therein one reads..


(p34-35)

4. The problem of the Jews which is symbolically the problem of humanity as a whole. It is today* for the first time definitely a humanitarian problem and one which is closely tied up with the fourth kingdom in nature because that kingdom is the meeting-place of the three divine aspects. The Jew, with his emphasis upon his position as one of the "chosen people," has stood symbolically throughout the centuries as the representative of the wandering, incarnating soul, but the Jewish people have never recognised the symbollic mission with which their race was entrusted, and they have taken to themselves the glory and the honour of the Lord's elect. The Jew made this mistake and, as an Oriental race, the Jews have failed to hold before the Orient the divine nature of mankind as a whole, for all are equally divine and all are the Lord's elect. Calvin and all who followed his lead made the same mistake and instead of holding before the people of the Occident the realisation that those who recognised their essential divinity did so symbolically on behalf of all the developing, incarnating sons of God, the regarded themselves as the Chosen People and all who did not think as they did are regarded as lost. When the Jew and the narrow-minded religious devotees recognise their identity with all other people and express this identity through right relationship, we shall see a very different world. The world problem is essentially a religious problem and behind all strife in every department of world thought today is to be found that religious element.

*copyright date 1949

You will note from the above that it is definitely not a pro-Jewish stance any more than it is anti-Jewish. It also reflects partly what The Saker was addressing. That the Zionist mindset are at odds with the rest of the world - regarded themselves as the Chosen People and all who did not think as they did are regarded as lost.

During that search I followed one link to a www(dot)bibliotecapleyades.net article. That site has some great resources but this particular article would lead you to believe..


The Lucis Trust is the Publishing House which prints and disseminates United Nations material. It is a devastating indictment of the New Age and Pagan nature of the UN.

Lucis Trust was established in 1922 as Lucifer Trust by Alice Bailey as the publishing company to disseminate the books of Bailey and Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society. The title page of Alice Bailey's book, 'Initiation, Human and Solar' was originally printed in 1922, and clearly shows the publishing house as 'Lucifer Publishing CoIn 1923.'

Bailey changed the name to Lucis Trust, because Lucifer Trust revealed the true nature of the New Age Movement too clearly. (Constance Cumbey, The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, p. 49). A quick trip to any New Age bookstore will reveal that many of the hard-core New Age books are published by Lucis Trust.

At one time, the Lucis Trust office in New York was located at 666 United Nations Plaza and is a member of the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations under a slick program called "World Goodwill".

In an Alice Bailey book called "Education for a New Age"; she suggests that in the new age "World Citizenship should be the goal of the enlightened, with a world federation and a world brain." In other words - a One World Government New World Order.
more (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_lucytrust04.htm)

In my opinion that is absurd and although the article goes on to link Robert McNamara as a Lucis Trust sponsor I would go out on a limb and suggest these people have latched on the the basest of ideas as equal to their own designs and have failed utterly to grasp the esoteric meanings of the higher path.

I think most would agree that humanity are one in fact, if not practice. Ideological differences drive wedges between us. Djwal Khul, the Tibetan, always talked in esoteric terms. Bailey merely transcribed his words. In the highest principles it must be a goal to unite humanity. (Our) objections are to the current twisted methodology driven by lower thinking, (NWO).

Blavatsky is called a satanist because she referred to Lucifer as a force for good (https://blavatskytheosophy.com/lucifer-the-lightbringer/).


#2. The word “Lucifer” occurs only once in the entire Bible. This is in Isaiah 14:12, which says: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” Those who read this verse in its actual context will clearly see that the sentence is applied specifically to a certain Babylonian king who was an enemy in war of the Israelites. The original Hebrew text uses the word הֵילֵל which literally means “bright star” or “shining one,” a term applied sarcastically or mockingly by the Israelites to this particular enemy of theirs**. The translators of the King James Version of the Bible – one of the chief of whom was the well known Rosicrucian initiate Dr Robert Fludd, a fact which will no doubt shock and horrify many Christians – chose to translate this word with the Latin word “Lucifer.”

Later that same article says..


H.P. Blavatsky was never at any point in her life a Christian, gave no credence to Christian theology and did not believe in any type of personal or anthropomorphic God nor in any type of personal or anthropomorphic devil. She believed and taught that there is but ONE Infinite Divine Life which is everything and in everything and that It has no adversary or enemy, since there is nothing but That – the boundless, impersonal, omnipresent Principle of Absolute Existence Itself. She was against the notion of worshipping or praying to anyone or anything. She taught that evil is really imperfection, which is the automatic and inevitable byproduct of the existence of matter.

Back to Alice A. Baile/Djwal Khul. The 'Blue Books' are constantly addressing a difference between lofty ideals and their manifestation at lower level.

Blavatsky discussed the same. From The Secret Doctrine.


“The Secret Doctrine, (Vol. 2, p. 162)”…

* “Esoteric philosophy admits neither good nor evil per se, as existing independently in nature. The cause for both is found, as regards the Kosmos, in the necessity of contraries or contrasts, and with respect to man, in his human nature, his ignorance and passions. There is no devil or the utterly depraved, as there are no Angels absolutely perfect, though there may be spirits of Light and of Darkness; thus LUCIFER – the spirit of Intellectual Enlightenment and Freedom of Thought – is metaphorically the guiding beacon, which helps man to find his way through the rocks and sandbanks of Life, for Lucifer is the LOGOS in his highest, and the “Adversary” in his lowest aspect – both of which are reflected in our Ego.”

My current thinking is that both Bailey's and Blavatsky's writings can prove highly valuable to the awakening mind, and dangerously misleading to the selfish egoic type. There is an expression through mind, and an expression through heart. Each is liable to be less than perfect without the input of the other. Right now the NWO brigade are attempting to manifest the basest of ideas from the loftiest of ideals.

**“Lucifer” literally means Lightbringer, Lightbearer, Bringer of Dawn, Shining One, or Morning Star. The word has no other meaning. Historically and astronomically, the term “Morning Star” has always been applied to the planet Venus.

[Ewan]

Lucifer was also mentioned in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79200-A-paper-examining-the-rise-and-fall-of-empires&p=1138455&viewfull=1#post1138455) by Hervé, specifically..


"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion… We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.

This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Pike letter to Giuseppe Massini (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_masonsknightstemplar15.htm)

Although that seems quite a negative connotation I suspect it may yet be another example of lofty ideals manifesting poorly in a concrete reality. It would be no bad thing for both Christianity and atheism to be dissolved if the resulting void was filled with a greater truth. It goes without saying it would be better if it did not come about via a bloodbath.

[CelineK]

My current thinking is that both Bailey's and Blavatsky's writings can prove highly valuable to the awakening mind, and dangerously misleading to the selfish egoic type. There is an expression through mind, and an expression through heart. Each is liable to be less than perfect without the input of the other. [/I]

By the same token, I'd recommend the lectures of Manly P. Hall, 33 degree mason, and whose legacy was to bring all the masonic and hermetic knowledge out in the open, He *never* took part in any conspiracy and adhered to the non-inverted translation of esoteric traditions the way they were taught in the Mystery Schools.That's the problem I have with the authors you cited above, something you definitely notice too when describing them as potentially dangerously misleading...

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[Flash]

That is interesting Ewan the way you see Blavatsky and Bailey's writings, because it is pretty much the way I saw it in my distant past, but it was difficult to express even here, without attracting quite alot of vitriol.

These writings are definitely at least at two levels (in my views, at many more levels). The ideals for one, to be implemented, and the implementation itself which is filtered through sometimes horrendous egos and therefore completely beside the real ideal purpose.

In a third view, and fourth one, and.... those are a descriptive path to higher spiritual development.

Then, are they on the wrong path? maybe not, and maybe so. Because ultimately, everything must be achieved alone by oneself. Those writings and discoveries are therefore only beacons on the path to self discovery and soul's involvement into matter. The real threshold to pass and ego giving up has to be done by each one of us, each individual ego.

I learned something here at times, looking at all the human dirt put in the open on fringe forums, and through contact with the darker side, I learned about me, I learned about what in me was the world shadow and what in me had to accept to give up for overall betterment. But then, once seen, I have now to look away towards what is the betterment, because this is the real target.

And then, there is a fourth level to these writings,

and finally, all of these have to be thrown away too. Zero beliefs to be achieved for the ever present now.

[drgreig]

"Satan" is a Hebrew word that history came to personify. Essentially, the word means "enemy" it is a noun, NOT a Proper noun. Funny how "Lucifer" became known as "the Enemy" - thus the names appeared to be synonymous with one another.

"Bright morning Star", "Bringer of Light" - are ALL coincidentally references to Jesus ...he refers to himself as the "morning star" as well. The Roman Church has a telescope named "Lucifer 1" ... and it was revealed at least in one chant (in latin, I believe) where they refer to the fact that they worship Jesus, SON OF LUCIFER.

Indeed, seeing as the "True" Jesus (ie Yahshua) did not endorse organized religion, per se, his enemies (the pharisees) would have absolutely referred to him as "Satan"....

Just some thoughts to add to this great post!!

[DeDukshyn]

 
Here's a bit of text that may paint a picture that I think Ewan may be stepping toward with his OP - the text is being spoken to the human collective ... Satan is described as an influence required for the process of creation, while it indicates that what we might term "evil" is merely this influence of "contraction" upon our subconscious minds.

Just for some consideration ... :)







Your fall into fearful thought and nonfluid patterns of
identity was not mere happenstance. An influence encouraged
you in this direction, encouraged you to identify with
an exclusive sense of separate self. With the exception of the
Luminous Principalities, those angels who were the first to
incarnate humanly, virtually all members of your race fell
under the spell of this influence at some point during their
journeys into biological form. We call this influence the materializing
influence, or when speaking in the plural, the forces
of materialization.

The materializing influence is the force of specified definition.
It plays a central role in the creation and sustenance
of the dimensional universe. Like frost drawing individualized
ice crystals from the air, this influence draws crystallizations
of basic molecular structure from the omnipresent
energy currents of eternal love.

The materializing influence is the principle of contraction
that holds energy efficiently bound in matter. It guides
the internal dynamics of matter and energy distribution in
stars as well as the thermal and geological processes of planets
like the earth. It is the quintessential materializing principle
at its most basic level.

This influence is personified, as are all qualities and influences
in this potent universe. In the West, both the influence
itself and its personifications have been referred to as
Satan. Yet stereotypical images of Satan have prevented
many people from understanding the real nature of the materializing
principle. Satan is the personified principle that
rules the background landscape of Creation, as well as the
many highly focused elemental beings who work together to
regulate the systems and processes of materiality.

These universally systemic beings are the Creator's
means of keeping material structure—that is, all energy patterns
without the individualized selfhood that comes with
personal will—in assigned patterns of form and behavior.

They are the caretakers of Creation's landscape, the rulers of
subconscious processes and events. Together they implement
the laws that maintain the universal landscape. Mechanical
laws, physical laws, gravitational, electrical,
magnetic, thermal, atomic, subatomic, temporal, and spatial
laws are all regulated by the materializing forces. In these,
the subconscious realms, the materializing forces function as
intended. They carry out their roles with precision and efficiency.

You realized when you initiated this human project that
the forces of materialization would play some role in developing
the values of your incarnating spirits, but just how
extensive a role was difficult to estimate, for in the conscious
realms the determination of value depends entirely on individual
choice. The nature of human design required that the
optimal ratio between spirit (energy) values and material
(matter) values come from the incarnate ones themselves.

Since they were creatures of free will it could not be imposed
or legislated. They alone—from within their biological
forms—could determine the optimal spirit/matter balance.
For the completed human species to serve as a conscious
link between Creator and Creation, it was essential that its
development be influenced by material values as well as by
values of spirit. To actualize your vision of a species through
whom you would one day explore the material universe and
develop the universe's potential, at the end of its developmental
cycle this race would have to be a product of both
spirit and soil in equal balance.

This could not happen if you were to remain fully conscious
throughout the descent of your individual spirits into
material bodies, for the necessary material complementation
would then be insufficient, and the requisite spirit/matter
balance would be absent. The dissipation, or relaxation, of
your unified field of awareness during the cycle when human
beings were multiplying upon the earth was the only
way the completed race would emerge sufficiently grounded
in the physical plane to serve effectively as a bridge between
spirit and matter.

And so you chose to sleep for a while, allowing the
materializing influences to flow freely in and around the developing
species. But while your sleep itself was intended,
the excessive dominance of materiality during humankind's
development was not.

[CelineK]

Lucifer... nothing new under the sun, that name was vilified by the christian doctrine to prevent people from searching. Just like today the word "new age", which is used as a "fake spirituality tag".

The Light comes from the Darkness/Aether...


"Satan" is a Hebrew word that history came to personify. Essentially, the word means "enemy" it is a noun, NOT a Proper noun. Funny how "Lucifer" became known as "the Enemy" - thus the names appeared to be synonymous with one another.

"Bright morning Star", "Bringer of Light" - are ALL coincidentally references to Jesus ...he refers to himself as the "morning star" as well. The Roman Church has a telescope named "Lucifer 1" ... and it was revealed at least in one chant (in latin, I believe) where they refer to the fact that they worship Jesus, SON OF LUCIFER.

Indeed, seeing as the "True" Jesus (ie Yahshua) did not endorse organized religion, per se, his enemies (the pharisees) would have absolutely referred to him as "Satan"....

Just some thoughts to add to this great post!!

[Flash]

wow, what a real nice text!! Where did you take that text from? I can almost feel the love pouring through while reading, it explains the mission of humanity itself.

So Satan in actual terms is just a too large materiality not balanced with equal spirituality. A process we must go through but also learn to balance.


 
Here's a bit of text that may paint a picture that I think Ewan may be stepping toward with his OP - the text is being spoken to the human collective ... Satan is described as an influence required for the process of creation, while it indicates that what we might term "evil" is merely this influence of "contraction" upon our subconscious minds.

Just for some consideration ... :)







Your fall into fearful thought and nonfluid patterns of
identity was not mere happenstance. An influence encouraged
you in this direction, encouraged you to identify with
an exclusive sense of separate self. With the exception of the
Luminous Principalities, those angels who were the first to
incarnate humanly, virtually all members of your race fell
under the spell of this influence at some point during their
journeys into biological form. We call this influence the materializing
influence, or when speaking in the plural, the forces
of materialization.

The materializing influence is the force of specified definition.
It plays a central role in the creation and sustenance
of the dimensional universe. Like frost drawing individualized
ice crystals from the air, this influence draws crystallizations
of basic molecular structure from the omnipresent
energy currents of eternal love.

The materializing influence is the principle of contraction
that holds energy efficiently bound in matter. It guides
the internal dynamics of matter and energy distribution in
stars as well as the thermal and geological processes of planets
like the earth. It is the quintessential materializing principle
at its most basic level.

This influence is personified, as are all qualities and influences
in this potent universe. In the West, both the influence
itself and its personifications have been referred to as
Satan. Yet stereotypical images of Satan have prevented
many people from understanding the real nature of the materializing
principle. Satan is the personified principle that
rules the background landscape of Creation, as well as the
many highly focused elemental beings who work together to
regulate the systems and processes of materiality.

These universally systemic beings are the Creator's
means of keeping material structure—that is, all energy patterns
without the individualized selfhood that comes with
personal will—in assigned patterns of form and behavior.

They are the caretakers of Creation's landscape, the rulers of
subconscious processes and events. Together they implement
the laws that maintain the universal landscape. Mechanical
laws, physical laws, gravitational, electrical,
magnetic, thermal, atomic, subatomic, temporal, and spatial
laws are all regulated by the materializing forces. In these,
the subconscious realms, the materializing forces function as
intended. They carry out their roles with precision and efficiency.

You realized when you initiated this human project that
the forces of materialization would play some role in developing
the values of your incarnating spirits, but just how
extensive a role was difficult to estimate, for in the conscious
realms the determination of value depends entirely on individual
choice. The nature of human design required that the
optimal ratio between spirit (energy) values and material
(matter) values come from the incarnate ones themselves.

Since they were creatures of free will it could not be imposed
or legislated. They alone—from within their biological
forms—could determine the optimal spirit/matter balance.
For the completed human species to serve as a conscious
link between Creator and Creation, it was essential that its
development be influenced by material values as well as by
values of spirit. To actualize your vision of a species through
whom you would one day explore the material universe and
develop the universe's potential, at the end of its developmental
cycle this race would have to be a product of both
spirit and soil in equal balance.

This could not happen if you were to remain fully conscious
throughout the descent of your individual spirits into
material bodies, for the necessary material complementation
would then be insufficient, and the requisite spirit/matter
balance would be absent. The dissipation, or relaxation, of
your unified field of awareness during the cycle when human
beings were multiplying upon the earth was the only
way the completed race would emerge sufficiently grounded
in the physical plane to serve effectively as a bridge between
spirit and matter.

And so you chose to sleep for a while, allowing the
materializing influences to flow freely in and around the developing
species. But while your sleep itself was intended,
the excessive dominance of materiality during humankind's
development was not.

[DeDukshyn]

wow, what a real nice text!! Where did you take that text from? I can almost feel the love pouring through while reading, it explains the mission of humanity itself.
It's good isn't it? :) I'll PM you the source, as it's a tad controversial in origin - it's not "secret" text, or anything like that, but it's goal is to explain our forgotten mission to us to the point of subconscious memory - it has had probably the most profound affect on my life more than anything.



So Satan in actual terms is just a too large materiality not balanced with equal spirituality. A process we must go through but also learn to balance.

Not quite; what you describe is the "result" of the force of contraction (sometimes called separation) that is personified as Satan. All is spirit, and all creation is created by the forces of Satan "contracting" that spirit energy, or slowing it down into specific forms - this creates matter. Like water vapour (spirit) is drawn into a complex crystalline structure straight from the air on frosty cold mornings where you can see these tiny ice crystals sparkling in the air - pulled into this structure by cold itself; so too does the force of what is Satan slow spirit into individualized forms from Source itself - both in the creations of the aethers ("heavens"), and for creation in the physical realms. However it takes a lot of influence of Satan (think more in terms of a type of "proximity") to draw spirit directly into matter. I could go on ... but I don't want to take this thread too far in one direction.


 
Here's a bit of text that may paint a picture that I think Ewan may be stepping toward with his OP - the text is being spoken to the human collective ... Satan is described as an influence required for the process of creation, while it indicates that what we might term "evil" is merely this influence of "contraction" upon our subconscious minds.

Just for some consideration ... :)







Your fall into fearful thought and nonfluid patterns of
identity was not mere happenstance. An influence encouraged
you in this direction, encouraged you to identify with
an exclusive sense of separate self. With the exception of the
Luminous Principalities, those angels who were the first to
incarnate humanly, virtually all members of your race fell
under the spell of this influence at some point during their
journeys into biological form. We call this influence the materializing
influence, or when speaking in the plural, the forces
of materialization.
.. trim ... .

[Flash]

You have to clear your message box otherwise we cannot pm you Dedukshyn.




wow, what a real nice text!! Where did you take that text from? I can almost feel the love pouring through while reading, it explains the mission of humanity itself.
It's good isn't it? :) I'll PM you the source, as it's a tad controversial in origin - it's not "secret" text, or anything like that, but it's goal is to explain our forgotten mission to us to the point of subconscious memory - it has had probably the most profound affect on my life more than anything.



So Satan in actual terms is just a too large materiality not balanced with equal spirituality. A process we must go through but also learn to balance.

Not quite; what you describe is the "result" of the force of contraction (sometimes called separation) that is personified as Satan. All is spirit, and all creation is created by the forces of Satan "contracting" that spirit energy, or slowing it down into specific forms - this creates matter. Like water vapour (spirit) is drawn into a complex crystalline structure straight from the air on frosty cold mornings where you can see these tiny ice crystals sparkling in the air - pulled into this structure by cold itself; so too does the force of what is Satan slow spirit into individualized forms from Source itself - both in the creations of the aethers ("heavens"), and for creation in the physical realms. However it takes a lot of influence of Satan (think more in terms of a type of "proximity") to draw spirit directly into matter. I could go on ... but I don't want to take this thread too far in one direction.


 
Here's a bit of text that may paint a picture that I think Ewan may be stepping toward with his OP - the text is being spoken to the human collective ... Satan is described as an influence required for the process of creation, while it indicates that what we might term "evil" is merely this influence of "contraction" upon our subconscious minds.

Just for some consideration ... :)







Your fall into fearful thought and nonfluid patterns of
identity was not mere happenstance. An influence encouraged
you in this direction, encouraged you to identify with
an exclusive sense of separate self. With the exception of the
Luminous Principalities, those angels who were the first to
incarnate humanly, virtually all members of your race fell
under the spell of this influence at some point during their
journeys into biological form. We call this influence the materializing
influence, or when speaking in the plural, the forces
of materialization.
.. trim ... .

[Ewan]

That is interesting Ewan the way you see Blavatsky and Bailey's writings, because it is pretty much the way I saw it in my distant past, but it was difficult to express even here, without attracting quite alot of vitriol.

These writings are definitely at least at two levels (in my views, at many more levels). The ideals for one, to be implemented, and the implementation itself which is filtered through sometimes horrendous egos and therefore completely beside the real ideal purpose.

In a third view, and fourth one, and.... those are a descriptive path to higher spiritual development.

Then, are they on the wrong path? maybe not, and maybe so. Because ultimately, everything must be achieved alone by oneself. Those writings and discoveries are therefore only beacons on the path to self discovery and soul's involvement into matter. The real threshold to pass and ego giving up has to be done by each one of us, each individual ego.

I learned something here at times, looking at all the human dirt put in the open on fringe forums, and through contact with the darker side, I learned about me, I learned about what in me was the world shadow and what in me had to accept to give up for overall betterment. But then, once seen, I have now to look away towards what is the betterment, because this is the real target.

And then, there is a fourth level to these writings,

and finally, all of these have to be thrown away too. Zero beliefs to be achieved for the ever present now.

The man who first introduced me to the Bailey books told me they weren't really designed for you the ego, but the You that drives your seeking.

I'm not sure why the subject should attract any vitriol on Avalon, out in the mainstream world yes that would happen. I thought it was a very real possibility that the driving force(s) behind the NWO have always come from the psycho/socio-path that just cannot see the higher meaning in these types of writings that an empathetic soul would, or at least see the flickers of light behind it. I'm quite sure some of the listeners to Jesus came away with entirely the wrong perspective and consequently doing more harm than good with their meaning.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, were the esoteric texts first hidden because they understood the harm they could cause or was the priesthod already corrupted and wanted to slow awakenings? Both scenarios are possible from my thinking. Today though, regardless of the first intentions, spiritual ideas have been co-opted and twisted to nefarious purpose. Does that make Bailey(DK) and Blavatsky agents of darkness? (Again, I feel that's absurd). Would knowing the answer to that first question assist us in the way we look at all conspiracy today. There has been quite a lot of discussion on these boards regarding how long 'the plan' has been in place. I guess I'm offering a kind of chicken/egg scenario, which came first, the purity of message or the design of darkness.

If the creation of matter led to duality, (and it most certainly did by my understanding), then this balance/battle has existed since the so called big bang.

The archons and the angels...

https://i.imgur.com/zJ21P7r.png?1

Arjuna had to battle despite the fact he didn't want to, we are all just the same. Caught up in a maelstrom that may have been of our own making right back in the beginning. We take sides, light and dark, and do battle. Why, because we are dualistic by nature of our very being. There is only one way out and you already made the point in your last sentence. The battle will rage for eternity as long as we take part in it. Dropping our very nature is what is required, non-duality. Seems like a battle in itself. (sigh).

:)

[CelineK]

I thought it was a very real possibility that the driving force(s) behind the NWO have always come from the psycho/socio-path that just cannot see the higher meaning in these types of writings that an empathetic soul would, or at least see the flickers of light behind it.............

were the esoteric texts first hidden because they understood the harm they could cause or was the priesthod already corrupted and wanted to slow awakenings?


Interesting questions: first we should not fool ourselves, evil is here to stay, without it there is no way to see the Truth. The problem discombobulates many because evil cannot be fought with (a matching or superior) evil but the absence of coercion. There is nobody that knows the Truth better than evil. Evil is the gate keeper of the Truth... and otherwise, Truth encircles evil. There is also a the very fundamental question of dualism/polarity that can only stop when taken to an objective level, where exactly evil preys first. This objective reality is governed by the Principle of Mentalism.

I for one think that priesthood has always been corrupt overall, besides a few exceptions. People tend to rely on leaders, political and spiritual, because they refute their own responsibility for what is. One can only change this if dogmas are ended. And to achieve that it seems like some kind of "lifting of the veil" (and it could be dramatic) must occur. The mystery schools existed to prevent despair more than anything else, because back then it was assumed that average joe and jane would not have been able to comprehend higher realms of consciousness, hence empowering those banning the teachings.

Anybody seeking power, avoiding sharing data on purpose commits evil, and since this knowledge was already available since the dawn of times, we can clearly say that earth has been ruled by evil since ever. I don't think there is any chicken-egg dilemma here since the elites know that concealment causes crises of all kinds but wont give up.