O'Reilly outed from Fox

[Bob]

Fox News and Bill O'Reilly are talking exit - source money.cnn dot com


Fox News will no longer even respond to questions about whether Bill O'Reilly will return to his show.

A well-placed source said Tuesday afternoon that representatives for Fox and O'Reilly have begun talking about an exit. But this prompted a denial from sources in O'Reilly's camp.

Even one person close to O'Reilly, however, said he will probably not be back on "The O'Reilly Factor."

The original well-placed source said an announcement about O'Reilly's fate was likely by the end of the week.

The fact that none of these sources were willing to go on the record speaks to the delicate maneuvering underway.

The network's parent company, 21st Century Fox (FOX), will hold a board meeting on Thursday, a spokeswoman told CNNMoney. One of the sources said O'Reilly will be a primary topic.

The Murdochs, the men who control 21st Century Fox, are pointedly not commenting on any of this.
But conversations inside Fox have already turned to possible O'Reilly successors.

New York magazine's Gabriel Sherman, the author of a biography about ex-Fox News boss Roger Ailes, reported Tuesday that "the Murdochs are leaning toward announcing that O'Reilly will not return to the air."

Sherman cited "three sources with knowledge of the discussions" and said "no final decision has been made."

As CNNMoney has previously reported, there had been a split between Rupert Murdoch, the company's patriarch, and his sons James and Lachlan, with James advocating for O'Reilly's ouster.

Lachlan was previously said to be in the middle. Sherman said Tuesday that Lachlan has "leaned more in his brother James's direction" in recent days.

BBC says he's being dropped because of harassment charges..


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[seko]

Excellent! He won't be missed.

[sunwings]

Excellent! He won't be missed.

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[bearcow]

I have a relative who was a production assistant on O'Reilly's show back in the early 2000's. She told me back then that he continually harassed attractive female staff members and management turned a blind eye to it. Everybody at Fox knew about it back then, so something has changed internally regarding their attitude towards him. It may be as simple as ratings.

[MorningFox]

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[Chester]

I hear that the Murdochs via 21st Century FOX are trying to buy Sky and that one of the "authorities" involved in the approval process is the media "watchdog" Ofcom.

The opinion is that Ofcom's approval would likely come easier of they canned O'Reilly and adjusted the trend of their company's culture - a culture of sexual harassment by the alpha males at FOX who, I guess, felt empowered and perhaps became bolder when they experienced little or no executive or managerial push back to their behavior.

Note the following was published well before the April 1st news blast about the 5 women and 13 million in settlement money -

https://www.ft.com/content/a1c7c914-fe72-11e6-96f8-3700c5664d30

[Kryztian]

Psychopaths come in all forms: conservative, liberal, transparent and secretive. O'Reilly was about as transparent as they come. A long history of sexual harassment, lies about his own personal experiences (e.g. his visit to George DeMohrenschieldt as he supposedly was comitting suicide), divorce records that show him beating his wife while his daughter was witnessing the incident, etc. In spite of this, a few will continue to listen to him talk about morals and "culture wars" and read his book on Jesus, as if this individual were a moral authority to be looked up to.

Most people will be able to see that at least Bill O'Reilly is a psycopath - he is about as obvious as come - although it will be harder for a few who's political beliefs are similar. And for some liberals, they will relish at length in O'Reilly's demise, meanwhile, they will trumpet the virtues of Barack Obama who has built a national surveillance security state, Hillary Clinton was has turned the nation of Libya from the most prosperous to a terrorist state with an open slave market, and even Bernie Sanders who has approved trillions in defense spending.

Yes, good riddance to Bill O'Reilly, a most transparent psycopath. But there are many, many, many more not so transparent ones, liberal, conservative and other. Many they soon tumble down from their lofty places too.

[Helene West]

Strange I’ve never heard anything before about him and sexual harassment and both o’reilly and myself have been around awhile. All I know is that recently he made fun of a grotesque racist’s hairdo and now he’s gone. Not saying harassment didn’t occur just saying I find it strange, particularly in his industry with cameras, mikes, etc all over the place more than other industries, that he would be so stupid to jeopardize his career. Whatever, Tucker Carlson is cool with me.

As a former radical feminist and current pessimistic observer of life I wouldn’t today trust a woman’s word any more than I’d trust a guy’s. Men with money and power need to consider the strategy of Pastor Billy Graham. Once he was married he was never alone in the same room with a woman again, he was famous for always having someone else present. I don’t think it was all being chaste on his part, I think he was a smart observer of humanity and knew even in his ‘flocks’ there would be golddiggers and hustlers, lol.

[DNA]

I think O'Reilly was a useful shill after 9/11 and they needed a Neo-Con mouth piece to spread their propaganda, but strangely enough it seems like O'Reilly was waking up and was unapologetically giving his honest take on things which strangely enough started to land closer and closer to the truth in a horse shoes and hand grenades kind of way
It could be that a broken clock is right at least twice a day or it could mean after a decade and a half of media and political exposure he may have actually started to develop a discerning mind
Regardless I don't think sexual harassment had anything to do with his demise, he was no longer toting the party line via the Murdochs, which means he wasn't toting the new Neocon line which is actually the Democon line
Just my take :)

[onawah]

I just got this newsletter from UltraViolet, a women's rights activist group


Nita and Shaunna, UltraViolet

You just took down one of the biggest names in American media and politics. Thanks to you, Bill O'Reilly won't be returning to Fox News.

The announcement came Wednesday morning, less than a day after survivors of sexual assault, UltraViolet members, and our friends at Color of Change and others took to Fox News offices to demand this sexual predator be taken off prime time TV.

This was neither quick nor easy to do. The O'Reilly Factor has dominated cable news for years, raking in the biggest audience of any network each night. But after 140,000 UltraViolet members joined powerful allies like Color of Change and Media Matters for America, toxic racist and sexual predator O'Reilly will no longer abuse women in the newsroom or be in front of four million viewers every night.

Below are the things UltraViolet members did to make this happen.

Almost 80,000 UltraViolet members signed onto a petition calling on 21st Century Fox to fire Fox News CEO Bill Shine and Fox News host Bill O’Reilly over their role in taking part in and covering up abuse at Fox News.
More than 60,000 UltraViolet members signed onto a petition calling on advertisers on the O'Reilly Factor and Fox News to cut ties with the network over the lack of accountability for sex crimes.
Over 500 sexual assault survivors and UltraViolet members penned a letter to 21st Century Fox executives, demanding O'Reilly be fired.
Dozens of UltraViolet, Color of Change, and NOW NYC members as well as NYC Public Advocate Letitia James rallied with sexual assault survivors who powerfully told their stories and demanded Fox fire O'Reilly. News reports credit this protest as one of the key reasons Fox finally decided to fire O'Reilly.
Along with the protest, UltraViolet flew a plane around Manhattan with a banner reading "FOX: #DROPOREILLY, THE SEXUAL PREDATOR."
UltraViolet released a new online ad targeting members of the board of 21st Century Fox ahead of their board meeting Thursday to decide the fate of Bill O'Reilly. The video documents stories of women sexually harassed by Bill O'Reilly.
UltraViolet put up movie-sized posters around Fox headquarters and online ads targeted to Fox News employees asking, "Have you also been sexually harassed by Bill?"
Since August of last year, thousands of UltraViolet members have flooded Fox offices with phone calls.
This once again shows that taking action together works--even taking down seemingly unbeatable household names like Bill O'Reilly.

Thank you for all you do.

More here: https://act.weareultraviolet.org/sign/oreilly_victory/?t=1&akid=4447.50843.G1CyU_

[Franny]

Strange I’ve never heard anything before about him and sexual harassment and both o’reilly and myself have been around awhile...

I recall perhaps the first public incident when a female staffer accused him of sexual harassment. He repeatedly phoned her so she recorded several conversations. The recordings were held by her lawyer and a few excerpts were on the court filing for anyone to read, which I did. I believe this was around 12 years ago. I don't recall the details clearly but it truly was harassment. She asked him to stop, he did not. They settled out of court so we don't know much more.

[DeDukshyn]

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Haha! that's good!

But the sad reality is that O'Reilly has been harrassing women for many, many years while Fox looked the other way. Only when sponsors started to pull out did Fox even do anything -- what they did is take care of their own bottom line, that's it.

[Helene West]

Maybe he did harassment but I'll leave that to karma. I personally never liked the guy or his show so defending him in particular isn't what I'm into.

I just find the growing throngs of predatory females concerning. These are much of the same ilk that are simply white haters and man haters. Were they around, did they organize or reach out when the young girl was raped in MD by refugees? No. There was neither money to be made there nor did it seem to have virtue signaling potential so the white female (ultraviolets) won't be interested and the 'color of change' crew won't be interested because of their bigotry (it lacked the requisite white hurting a non-white). I'm a female too and I don't feel the victory over suffering that I feel when a bad guy is nabbed. They are after well-to-do and/or symbolic white males and though o'reilly may have a good amount of money, he doesn't belong to the elite class or their service professionals, he's just a white guy that 'made it big' so his type is an ideal target for leftist predators.

Also if he hadn't made fun of grotesque maxine I doubt 'color of change' would have gotten involved. Racists of color have been holding on tight to their victim status for a long time so have tactical practice in targeting but (white) females are just getting warmed up in the predator arena. Part of the cultural genocide of (non-elite) whites is to separate white women from white men. Pair white females off with different races and diminish/eliminate white males. You may say 'but this is not related' and you may be right and I'm connecting dots where there are none and perhaps a very bad man got taken down, but the human mind works in symbols and reading the language of the females in Onawah's post it sounds like the same crowd that are unwittingly assisting the globalists.
I wasn't even interested in o'reilly's leaving when I first read it on twitter until i started reading this thread. Now I'd be interested in hearing o'reilly and seeing what vibe I'd get.

[abmqa]

I think O'Reilly was a useful shill after 9/11 and they needed a Neo-Con mouth piece to spread their propaganda,

All publicly available information firmly condemns O'Reilly as a chronic sexual harasser, which ultimately caused his rightful downfall.

I feel that his worse crime was being one of the shills that consistently spread the neocons "weapons of mass destruction" propaganda that helped lead the U.S. to invade and destabilize Iraq, which ultimately led to the formation of ISIS and the many thousands of deaths and millions of refugees that we see trying to flee Syria today.

In my opinion, he is getting off easy with a 25 million dollar golden parachute.

I say good riddance!!

[Helene West]

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In my opinion, he is getting off easy with a 25 million dollar golden parachute.



$25M!! wow, I think the line of 'suffering' females just got longer

[Chester]

Breitbart’s Marlow: O’Reilly Ouster ‘Pyrrhic Victory’ for Totalitarian Left (http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/04/20/breitbarts-marlow-oreilly-ouster-pyrrhic-victory-for-totalitarian-left/)

Breitbart editor-in-chief Alex Marlow tells Los Angeles Times’ David Ng that Bill O’Reilly’s ouster from Fox News was a “Pyrrhic victory” for the partisan activists who organized the advertiser boycott against him.

From the Los Angeles Times:

Some see the O’Reilly drama as a partisan attack from activists who care little about the victims of sexual harassment.

“The motives are deeply political,” said Alex Marlow, editor-in-chief at Breitbart News, the conservative, pro-Trump website. He said the advertiser boycott of “The O’Reilly Factor” — which saw numerous advertisers jump ship after the sexual allegations were made public — represents the creeping influence of corporate executives over what goes on in newsrooms around the country.

“It’s creating an America where corporations decide what can and can’t be said, and I don’t like the idea where the corporations have so much control,” Marlow said. “Corporations are under pressure to pull advertising from anyone who is right of center — it’s an attack on free speech.”

…

“Fox’s prime-time lineup is actually becoming more pro-Trump,” said Marlow. “So the left is getting a Pyrrhic victory.”

[Chester]

Maybe he did harassment but I'll leave that to karma. I personally never liked the guy or his show so defending him in particular isn't what I'm into.

I just find the growing throngs of predatory females concerning. These are much of the same ilk that are simply white haters and man haters. Were they around, did they organize or reach out when the young girl was raped in MD by refugees? No. There was neither money to be made there nor did it seem to have virtue signaling potential so the white female (ultraviolets) won't be interested and the 'color of change' crew won't be interested because of their bigotry (it lacked the requisite white hurting a non-white). I'm a female too and I don't feel the victory over suffering that I feel when a bad guy is nabbed. They are after well-to-do and/or symbolic white males and though o'reilly may have a good amount of money, he doesn't belong to the elite class or their service professionals, he's just a white guy that 'made it big' so his type is an ideal target for leftist predators.

Also if he hadn't made fun of grotesque maxine I doubt 'color of change' would have gotten involved. Racists of color have been holding on tight to their victim status for a long time so have tactical practice in targeting but (white) females are just getting warmed up in the predator arena. Part of the cultural genocide of (non-elite) whites is to separate white women from white men. Pair white females off with different races and diminish/eliminate white males. You may say 'but this is not related' and you may be right and I'm connecting dots where there are none and perhaps a very bad man got taken down, but the human mind works in symbols and reading the language of the females in Onawah's post it sounds like the same crowd that are unwittingly assisting the globalists.
I wasn't even interested in o'reilly's leaving when I first read it on twitter until i started reading this thread. Now I'd be interested in hearing o'reilly and seeing what vibe I'd get.

Hi Helene... you might appreciate this one -

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I am certain O'Reilly won't be marrying again. (ADDED: Unless he has an iron clad "prenuptial").

He is worth almost $100 million and the golden parachute will send him well over that.

[abmqa]

Breitbart’s Marlow: O’Reilly Ouster ‘Pyrrhic Victory’ for Totalitarian Left (http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/04/20/breitbarts-marlow-oreilly-ouster-pyrrhic-victory-for-totalitarian-left/)

Breitbart editor-in-chief Alex Marlow tells Los Angeles Times’ David Ng that Bill O’Reilly’s ouster from Fox News was a “Pyrrhic victory” for the partisan activists who organized the advertiser boycott against him.

“It’s creating an America where corporations decide what can and can’t be said, and I don’t like the idea where the corporations have so much control,” Marlow said. “Corporations are under pressure to pull advertising from anyone who is right of center — it’s an attack on free speech.”

…

“Fox’s prime-time lineup is actually becoming more pro-Trump,” said Marlow. “So the left is getting a Pyrrhic victory.”

America has been tilting towards Fascism for years, in the form of "Corporatism".

In my opinion Trump is not really a "conservative" nor is he a true Republican in his leanings.

This has caused him many problems with the Conservative Republicans, such as Joe Scarborough, and even Bill O'Reilly at times.

I'm starting to believe that Trump did not understand politics enough to form a cogent political stance that allows conservative republicans to get on board with him.

I think what motivates Trump the most is his strong desire to be liked! Adored even.

He has learned that initiating aggressive military actions and talk will get him the support of most conservative Republicans and Democrats which is very troubling.

I truly expect him to get us into yet another tragic and unnecessary war.

[Flash]

Gosh Sam, I am going nuts really - real scary stuff, please read

What is that video about Robin Williams - this guys whose name I do not remember starts with really very good sypnosis of Williams' life, but then goes on a huge rant against women who take alimony support when they divorce, saying they quit their job, they should not be paid. Anyhow, I thought his rant was sooooooo biaised that I wanted to stop listening to it.

Search for the video on my opened windows, did not find it. Closed the browser, it did not worked, it continued to play,

no kidding I shut down the whole computer AND IT CONTINUED TO PLAY!!!!! FU ... SH.... What am I to do?

Someone did put a virus there to force women to listen till the end or what!!!

Did this ever happened to anyone here???

I feel very much 1984 all overseeing eye right now!! (while laughing cause I cannot believe this - worst than mandela effect)




Maybe he did harassment but I'll leave that to karma. I personally never liked the guy or his show so defending him in particular isn't what I'm into.

I just find the growing throngs of predatory females concerning. These are much of the same ilk that are simply white haters and man haters. Were they around, did they organize or reach out when the young girl was raped in MD by refugees? No. There was neither money to be made there nor did it seem to have virtue signaling potential so the white female (ultraviolets) won't be interested and the 'color of change' crew won't be interested because of their bigotry (it lacked the requisite white hurting a non-white). I'm a female too and I don't feel the victory over suffering that I feel when a bad guy is nabbed. They are after well-to-do and/or symbolic white males and though o'reilly may have a good amount of money, he doesn't belong to the elite class or their service professionals, he's just a white guy that 'made it big' so his type is an ideal target for leftist predators.

Also if he hadn't made fun of grotesque maxine I doubt 'color of change' would have gotten involved. Racists of color have been holding on tight to their victim status for a long time so have tactical practice in targeting but (white) females are just getting warmed up in the predator arena. Part of the cultural genocide of (non-elite) whites is to separate white women from white men. Pair white females off with different races and diminish/eliminate white males. You may say 'but this is not related' and you may be right and I'm connecting dots where there are none and perhaps a very bad man got taken down, but the human mind works in symbols and reading the language of the females in Onawah's post it sounds like the same crowd that are unwittingly assisting the globalists.
I wasn't even interested in o'reilly's leaving when I first read it on twitter until i started reading this thread. Now I'd be interested in hearing o'reilly and seeing what vibe I'd get.

Hi Helene... you might appreciate this one -

diyuAXzN7yo

I am certain O'Reilly won't be marrying again.

He is worth almost $100 million and the golden parachute will send him well over that.

[Chester]

Ok... here's a "less triggering" video - done "The English way."

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[DNA]

I think O'Reilly was a useful shill after 9/11 and they needed a Neo-Con mouth piece to spread their propaganda,

All publicly available information firmly condemns O'Reilly as a chronic sexual harasser, which ultimately caused his rightful downfall.

I feel that his worse crime was being one of the shills that consistently spread the neocons "weapons of mass destruction" propaganda that helped lead the U.S. to invade and destabilize Iraq, which ultimately led to the formation of ISIS and the many thousands of deaths and millions of refugees that we see trying to flee Syria today.

In my opinion, he is getting off easy with a 25 million dollar golden parachute.

I say good riddance!!


O'Reilly had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and now Syria
He was just as stupid as the rest of gullible America was in believing the 9/11 narrative as presented
And I'm sure I'll not reach my intended audience when I say I could really care less about some immaturity shown via sexual harassment allegations when this country is dealing with leaders who are satanic pedophiles torturing and killing kids by the f@cking thousands
I do not care about petty insignificant sexual harassment
Hell, when I see a petty insignificant sexual harassment allegation, I kind of have to believe that the guy is not a total scum bag because they don't have the film on him being some kind of pedophile Satanist that needs to be immediately put down like a large and significant portion of our Government
When you bring up Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and now Syria, I can only think of what the US really had in mind when invading those countries
The US has the blue print for invading a country and leaving it stabilized and capable of taking care of it self, look at Japan
So when we see what happened with Iraq, Syria and Libya we know for a fact they wanted these regions broken with no infrastructure and or law so it would be easier to sell off their women and children via human trafficking
With Afghanistan we know it is the poppy/heroin production they want as we now see the US within the worst heroin crisis it has ever been in
Haloburton and DynCorp both huge contractors of the US military have both been caught as human trafficking mules carrying slaves across the ocean via freighters and DynCorp's VP has recently been arrested on Pedophile rape charges
So again, I could really give a rat's ass about sexual harassment charges in light of what is really going on in this country
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2MA5Ha9XmE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IwqxnRM8TE
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And the link below is on the DynCorp US General just arrested on Pedophile child rape charges
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-17/former-dyncorp-vp-charged-rape-minor

[Chester]

Gosh Sam, I am going nuts really - real scary stuff, please read

What is that video about Robin Williams - this guys whose name I do not remember starts with really very good sypnosis of Williams' life, but then goes on a huge rant against women who take alimony support when they divorce, saying they quit their job, they should not be paid. Anyhow, I thought his rant was sooooooo biaised that I wanted to stop listening to it.

Search for the video on my opened windows, did not find it. Closed the browser, it did not worked, it continued to play,

no kidding I shut down the whole computer AND IT CONTINUED TO PLAY!!!!! FU ... SH.... What am I to do?

Someone did put a virus there to force women to listen till the end or what!!!

Did this ever happened to anyone here???

I feel very much 1984 all overseeing eye right now!! (while laughing cause I cannot believe this - worst than mandela effect)


Hi Flash - a few things...

First, I have experienced times that when I had my PC on for awhile and had opened several browser windows, etc. that eventually a point might be reached where my PC starts to act weird and/or the browser begins to function weird and so when I would try and close one or tow of my open browser pages, things go even weirder. And there have been times when this happened where I actually close a page where a video (or audio) was running and yet, even when the page had appeared to close... I would keep hearing the audio. If you use a PC or an Android based system and if you use Firefox, this may be what happened with you.

Now if this is the case, then the answer one might seek as to the timing is an answer I would put in the box I call "other worldly."

This next statement is meant from the heart. I know the Stefan Molyneux video is extremely strong. I also know that Stefan Molyneux is a Canadian and I was surprised he knew so much about the divorce laws in so many of the US states. I also very much know that Stefan Molyneux (like Alex Jones) uses over dramatization in many of his videos. I will admit that of the 100 or more videos from Stefan Molyneux that I have watched, I do not recall him ever being more dramatic than in this video.

But also... Stefan Molyneux stated facts in this video and then... stated his opinion. An opinion that I see would likely inflame all sorts of viewers where most would probably never allow themselves to watch the whole video to its completion. I wish he would have made his presentation without all the drama and emotion. But I was also able to experience this video (three times now) because... and you know a lot of my own story... because I have quite a bit of experience, personally, with the challenges that Stefan Molyneux brought to light. In addition, I have the unique experience of being lifetime friends with someone who (sadly) will help me make my point better... which I will do in short order. Remember this as it will be quite surprising when I reveal all aspects of this story.

None of what I have to comment upon (which I will, after presenting the stories and points) which connects with O'Reilly and Robin Williams or my own personal story or the story I will share about my friend can be anticipated by readers here as I am going to go to a whole other level of POV and then point making.... and I need to do this in its own thread. Now... if I can only come up with the right title.

[Helene West]

Sam
thx. watched the video from youtube not your link since Flash had weird problems with his computer after downloading I wasn't taking any chances but it worked fine from the youtube site.

I thought it was a very good vid. didn't find it histrionic at all. don't know what molyneux's history is but he was clearly identifying with williams upbringing and watched moved by williams death. And calling a golddigger a golddigger I do not find hostile to women. what else are we supposed to call these women? to be in your '70s and forced to do road tours just for alimony payments, my God...

[Flash]

DNA you are right about pédophiles and scums that should be put down almost literally so perverted they are,

Helen you are right about the ultraviolet feminism etc.

Sam you are right some men are taken almost all they have by gold diggers, or real hungry wifes.

However, for women and divorce, I have seen many much more women caught alone with their kid, having to supply for their food and roof, with no revenues from the father who has escaped to better faith with a new love and has no money to spare for his offsprings. However, yes, I have met some men that were left penniless and some men that were beaten by their wifes and could not protest because they would have been the one accused and arrested.

However, once again, these plights are much more frequent for women (just starting with women making on average 30% less revenue even when taking into account the child manufacturing periods (pregnancies). Injustice starts at birth for many women, throughout the world including north America.

I am one who has been plucked of her belongings and money, who has been working for years in a company with no returns (literally for free) because I dared wanting to divorce, and I am one of those who was left pretty much along to raise a kid with a handicap. And like many women, I did more than many men would for their offspring, such as working 70 hours a week to pay for the roof, food, and very expensive thérapies. I do think I was quite worst off than many men who pay huge alimonies and chldren support yet have free time and time for a new spouse (which I did not have for 18 years, up to three years ago).

Most men are not in a bad situation when they divorce for younger women, but often their wives are.

Now, when there is harassment at work, it used to be the women who had to give up her work in order to avoid this perpetual very detrimental situation and men would not even be told to stop by other men (the hierarchy). It was manly wasn't it. Now at a minimum women can denounce. And they can denounce for their children too if taken by pédophiles.

<and of course, all these are sex and power combined, the strongest possible addiction.

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[Helene West]

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Is it ever possible for someone to be an a-hole and not a racist?
The racist branding implies a person says or does something because he's (usually) white, thereby including millions of other folks in the branding. It's a convenient tool for race hustlers and so tedious at the very least for white citizens. I never liked o'reilly and I've seen him bully quite a few people mostly white guests but who cares about that. He bullied a black guy so we must be enraged. I saw a catchy phrase on Twitter: "If you want to end racism, stop calling people racists."

[sunwings]

. I saw a catchy phrase on Twitter: "If you want to end racism, stop calling people racists."

If you want to end racism, Do call people racists.

There is no black or white. There is Gaia. There is us. We are just an expression of Gaia. Simple.

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Is it ever possible for someone to be an a-hole and not a racist?
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Definitely not mutually exclusive. However, a racist is an a-hole. IMO

Also, having watched the clip of what you call O'Reilly bullying a black guy, others would deem his remarks as racist, and rightly so. IMO

[abmqa]

[QUOTE=DNA;1147544]I think O'Reilly was a useful shill after 9/11 and they needed a Neo-Con mouth piece to spread their propaganda,

All publicly available information firmly condemns O'Reilly as a chronic sexual harasser, which ultimately caused his rightful downfall.

I feel that his worse crime was being one of the shills that consistently spread the neocons "weapons of mass destruction" propaganda that helped lead the U.S. to invade and destabilize Iraq, which ultimately led to the formation of ISIS and the many thousands of deaths and millions of refugees that we see trying to flee Syria today.

In my opinion, he is getting off easy with a 25 million dollar golden parachute.

I say good riddance!!


O'Reilly had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and now Syria
He was just as stupid as the rest of gullible America was in believing the 9/11 narrative as presented
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I firmly disagree.

"I think O'Reilly was a useful shill after 9/11 and they needed a Neo-Con mouth piece to spread their propaganda."

Does the above sound familiar? It should because I'm quoting You.

I'm not laying the entire Iraq/Syria in Bill's lap, however with platform afforded Mr. O'Reilly's and his millions of listeners, he was as you stated a mouth-piece for the Bush administration that spread propaganda about weapon's of mass destruction, despite the fact UN inspectors were clear in their assessment that none were to be found.

We should hold journalist to a higher standard when it comes to truth. IMO, Bill O'Reilly and all the other journalist that were mouth pieces for the neocon propaganda that led us to this disastrous and illegal war are culpable.

[Helene West]

. I saw a catchy phrase on Twitter: "If you want to end racism, stop calling people racists."

If you want to end racism, Do call people racists.

There is no black or white. There is Gaia. There is us. We are just an expression of Gaia. Simple.

There is no Gaia. But there are racists screaming racism. And they have more freedom of speech than those they accuse.

[Chester]

DNA you are right about pédophiles and scums that should be put down almost literally so perverted they are,

Helen you are right about the ultraviolet feminism etc.

Sam you are right some men are taken almost all they have by gold diggers, or real hungry wifes.

However, for women and divorce, I have seen many much more women caught alone with their kid, having to supply for their food and roof, with no revenues from the father who has escaped to better faith with a new love and has no money to spare for his offsprings. However, yes, I have met some men that were left penniless and some men that were beaten by their wifes and could not protest because they would have been the one accused and arrested.

However, once again, these plights are much more frequent for women (just starting with women making on average 30% less revenue even when taking into account the child manufacturing periods (pregnancies). Injustice starts at birth for many women, throughout the world including north America.

I am one who has been plucked of her belongings and money, who has been working for years in a company with no returns (literally for free) because I dared wanting to divorce, and I am one of those who was left pretty much along to raise a kid with a handicap. And like many women, I did more than many men would for their offspring, such as working 70 hours a week to pay for the roof, food, and very expensive thérapies. I do think I was quite worst off than many men who pay huge alimonies and chldren support yet have free time and time for a new spouse (which I did not have for 18 years, up to three years ago).

Most men are not in a bad situation when they divorce for younger women, but often their wives are.

Now, when there is harassment at work, it used to be the women who had to give up her work in order to avoid this perpetual very detrimental situation and men would not even be told to stop by other men (the hierarchy). It was manly wasn't it. Now at a minimum women can denounce. And they can denounce for their children too if taken by pédophiles.

<and of course, all these are sex and power combined, the strongest possible addiction.

Yeah... I guess you are right, women are maligned the world over. It's a shame... has to be the fault of the male half of the species too.

Men... men are so evil, especially white men.

I'm through with 'em.

All of 'em.

[DeDukshyn]

DNA you are right about pédophiles and scums that should be put down almost literally so perverted they are,

Helen you are right about the ultraviolet feminism etc.

Sam you are right some men are taken almost all they have by gold diggers, or real hungry wifes.

However, for women and divorce, I have seen many much more women caught alone with their kid, having to supply for their food and roof, with no revenues from the father who has escaped to better faith with a new love and has no money to spare for his offsprings. However, yes, I have met some men that were left penniless and some men that were beaten by their wifes and could not protest because they would have been the one accused and arrested.

However, once again, these plights are much more frequent for women (just starting with women making on average 30% less revenue even when taking into account the child manufacturing periods (pregnancies). Injustice starts at birth for many women, throughout the world including north America.

I am one who has been plucked of her belongings and money, who has been working for years in a company with no returns (literally for free) because I dared wanting to divorce, and I am one of those who was left pretty much along to raise a kid with a handicap. And like many women, I did more than many men would for their offspring, such as working 70 hours a week to pay for the roof, food, and very expensive thérapies. I do think I was quite worst off than many men who pay huge alimonies and chldren support yet have free time and time for a new spouse (which I did not have for 18 years, up to three years ago).

Most men are not in a bad situation when they divorce for younger women, but often their wives are.

Now, when there is harassment at work, it used to be the women who had to give up her work in order to avoid this perpetual very detrimental situation and men would not even be told to stop by other men (the hierarchy). It was manly wasn't it. Now at a minimum women can denounce. And they can denounce for their children too if taken by pédophiles.

<and of course, all these are sex and power combined, the strongest possible addiction.

Yeah... I guess you are right, women are maligned the world over. It's a shame... has to be the fault of the male half of the species too.

Men... men are so evil, especially white men.

I'm through with 'em.

All of 'em.

Women are evil too ... Men just get away with it more ... sometimes I feel I'm through with humans ... the vast majority seem so blind and idiotic to me ... but then I examine that and see, "****, now I have the disease that I hate in them!" ... stupid being human ... Then I remember the long term goals and the potential that will result ... and have to just accept it.

[Helene West]

Abmqa, since that tired, decrepit word, racist, is mainly used as a control mechanism against an entire race of people, I don't care anymore. How long was O'Reilly on the air? Of all the many years it's probably been in the hundreds of people he's insulted, put down, bullied, cut-off, condescended, etc. And which vid do we present here? OF COURSE, a black male being put down... Now if he was polite, respectful to all his guests of every other race but different to this guy, I'd say, yeah, he's a bonawide / genufide Racist. But meh, he's just an arrogant, a-hole, to everyone...

[abmqa]

Hi Helene,

Race and race relations are prominent areas of study in sociology and economics. Much of the research and work on racism in the last half-century or so has concentrated on "white racism" in the Western world, however, historical accounts of race-based social practices can be found across the globe.

As you have pointed out so-called "white racism" focuses on societies in which white populations are the majority or dominant social group?

Not trying to put words in your mouth, but racism is not limited only to "white racism" there exists many other societies where racism is not limited to "white people". Yes, there are racist people of color, many of them in fact.

Many sociologists argue that, particularly in the West where racism is often negatively sanctioned in society, racism has changed from being a blatant to a more covert expression of racial prejudice. The "newer" (more hidden and less easily detectable) forms of racism—which can be considered as embedded in social processes and structures—are more difficult to explore as well as challenge.

IMO, racism can be said to describe a condition in society in which a dominant racial group benefits from the oppression of others, whether they want such benefits or not.

So, I ask you. What word do you prefer to use to describe discriminatory action by members of a majority with the main intent of oppressing others?

[DNA]

I think O'Reilly was a useful shill after 9/11 and they needed a Neo-Con mouth piece to spread their propaganda,

All publicly available information firmly condemns O'Reilly as a chronic sexual harasser, which ultimately caused his rightful downfall.

I feel that his worse crime was being one of the shills that consistently spread the neocons "weapons of mass destruction" propaganda that helped lead the U.S. to invade and destabilize Iraq, which ultimately led to the formation of ISIS and the many thousands of deaths and millions of refugees that we see trying to flee Syria today.

In my opinion, he is getting off easy with a 25 million dollar golden parachute.

I say good riddance!!


O'Reilly had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and now Syria
He was just as stupid as the rest of gullible America was in believing the 9/11 narrative as presented
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I firmly disagree.

"I think O'Reilly was a useful shill after 9/11 and they needed a Neo-Con mouth piece to spread their propaganda."

Does the above sound familiar? It should because I'm quoting You.

I'm not laying the entire Iraq/Syria in Bill's lap, however with platform afforded Mr. O'Reilly's and his millions of listeners, he was as you stated a mouth-piece for the Bush administration that spread propaganda about weapon's of mass destruction, despite the fact UN inspectors were clear in their assessment that none were to be found.

We should hold journalist to a higher standard when it comes to truth. IMO, Bill O'Reilly and all the other journalist that were mouth pieces for the neocon propaganda that led us to this disastrous and illegal war are culpable.


Abmqa, simply put I envy you if Bill O'Reilly and his lack of social etiquette are of utmost concern and importance to you in so far as what is wrong with this country

I personally feel that Bill O'Rielly could have been anybody, the Neo-cons had a plethora of choices as far as mouth pieces after 9/11
Bill O'Reilly was a nobody anchor of the tabloid show "inside edition" before 9/11 brought him to prominence
If it wasn't Bill O'Reilly reading a teleprompter it would have been someone else
Saying Bill O"Reilly is responsible for the brain washing of America after 9/11 is like saying Britney Spears was the voice of her generation
They are interchangeable parts in so far as their industry is concerned with very little instrinsic value other than we ascribe opinions to them as if those opinions are organic when in all probability those opinions are as fake as the food that is served from your local fast food restaurant
Bill O'Reilly was an actor who happened to be good at playing the self-righteous white man raising the banner for demanding justice be served
The hunger for justice fueled the goals of the neo-cons who wanted to invade the middle east to prop up the petrol dollar and set the stage for WWIII
We are on the precipice of WWIII right now, and although I had hoped Trump would alter that course his recent actions lead me to believe he has been compromised and the agenda is still on course
For those who haven't watched this video it is quite awesome for a ten minute piece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7L8bw5QF4&t=71s
HP7L8bw5QF4

[Chester]

Abmqa, since that tired, decrepit word, racist, is mainly used as a control mechanism against an entire race of people, I don't care anymore. How long was O'Reilly on the air? Of all the many years it's probably been in the hundreds of people he's insulted, put down, bullied, cut-off, condescended, etc. And which vid do we present here? OF COURSE, a black male being put down... Now if he was polite, respectful to all his guests of every other race but different to this guy, I'd say, yeah, he's a bonawide / genufide Racist. But meh, he's just an arrogant, a-hole, to everyone...

agree... and wait until they get a few doses of the new 8PM Eastern FOX show. Tucker takes no prisoners.

My wife, Cristina, is Colombian. We have been married almost 15 years. She just arrived here in the US (finally as it took us 3 years to immigrate her legally). I have been many places in the world with Cristina. I have never experienced being treated strangely where I could tell the reason was based on Cristina (clearly Hispanic) being with me, (clearly a white guy)... until Cristina arrived in the US.

I was not expecting this. In fact, what I expected was appreciation... not disdain. Ohhh and what I am talking about was noticed by Cristina as she confirmed to me after I finally started to see a pattern and asked her if I was delusional. She confirmed I was not and then explained (yes... she had to explain it to me because I am so racist, so white, so male... that I never even considered it).

I had begun to notice that so many of the Hispanics (mostly males) I encountered here in Texas, when accompanied by my wife, seemed to have an unexpectedly negative attitude towards me and sometimes both of us. I had not experienced anything like this to anywhere near this degree prior to Cristina and I going out into the public here in Texas. How strange I thought... how unexpected.

Cristina explained... but I best not share what she told me because I have no doubt that those who love to wag the racist finger may point it at my wife... even though her comment is based only on her observation over her 51 years on planet Earth and primarily in Latin America and the Caribbean.

And I probably shouldn't even share what I just wrote because I have all too often seen that if a white guy tries to discuss this subject, no matter what he might say about it unless he is simply agreeing with or parroting a US based liberal, he is automatically called a white nationalist, racist, zenophobe.

This is being massively driven by the media - worldwide (wake up!) This is being massively exploited and further driven by those who profit from pretending to be defenders of the downtrodden non-white races in the US (wake up!) It is the vulnerable that fall for it... thinking the Democrat party is their salvation and despite the facts the Democrat politicians (for the most part) don't give two shytes about any of them once they get their vote, most all of them cling to that party and think that's their salvation. Ohhh and don't think my finger pointing implies the "alternative" is any good either. It isn't IMO but for different reasons... but at least the Republicans aren't lined with race baiters whose very financial existence depends on an endless supply of the gullible and vulnerable. It is just sickening -

Here is just one example - Al Sharpton
(https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/dear-al-sharpton-you-lying-race-baiting-hobbling-bag-of-human-feces/)
Here is just one example of a global media outlet not helping the situation but instead fanning the flames -

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/14/huffington-post-could-it-be-time-to-deny-white-men-the-franchise/


... sometimes I feel I'm through with humans ... the vast majority seem so blind and idiotic to me ...

agree, DeDukshyn... agree.

Wouldn't it be nice if the World could become a true sanctuary from ignorance (which is willful stupidity) and willful irresponsibility?

[abmqa]

I think O'Reilly was a useful shill after 9/11 and they needed a Neo-Con mouth piece to spread their propaganda,

All publicly available information firmly condemns O'Reilly as a chronic sexual harasser, which ultimately caused his rightful downfall.

I feel that his worse crime was being one of the shills that consistently spread the neocons "weapons of mass destruction" propaganda that helped lead the U.S. to invade and destabilize Iraq, which ultimately led to the formation of ISIS and the many thousands of deaths and millions of refugees that we see trying to flee Syria today.

In my opinion, he is getting off easy with a 25 million dollar golden parachute.

I say good riddance!!


O'Reilly had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and now Syria
He was just as stupid as the rest of gullible America was in believing the 9/11 narrative as presented
[/URL]

I firmly disagree.

"I think O'Reilly was a useful shill after 9/11 and they needed a Neo-Con mouth piece to spread their propaganda."

Does the above sound familiar? It should because I'm quoting You.

I'm not laying the entire Iraq/Syria in Bill's lap, however with platform afforded Mr. O'Reilly's and his millions of listeners, he was as you stated a mouth-piece for the Bush administration that spread propaganda about weapon's of mass destruction, despite the fact UN inspectors were clear in their assessment that none were to be found.

We should hold journalist to a higher standard when it comes to truth. IMO, Bill O'Reilly and all the other journalist that were mouth pieces for the neocon propaganda that led us to this disastrous and illegal war are culpable.


Abmqa, simply put I envy you if Bill O'Reilly and his lack of social etiquette are of utmost concern and importance to you in so far as what is wrong with this country

I personally feel that Bill O'Rielly could have been anybody, the Neo-cons had a plethora of choices as far as mouth pieces after 9/11
Bill O'Reilly was a nobody anchor of the tabloid show "inside edition" before 9/11 brought him to prominence
If it wasn't Bill O'Reilly reading a teleprompter it would have been someone else
Saying Bill O"Reilly is responsible for the brain washing of America after 9/11 is like saying Britney Spears was the voice of her generation


DNA,

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said that Bill O'Reilly is of utmost importance. I said he played a role, as well as other journalists.

For you to state and I quote you here "O'Reilly had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and now Syria" and here "I think O'Reilly was a useful shill after 9/11 and they needed a Neo-Con mouth piece to spread their propaganda."

For you to say that he had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and now Syria seems disingenuous and definitely contradicts your previous statements.

I'm all for clear and honest debate on this subject, however, I find your argument lacking in consistency and accuracy.

[DNA]

I think O'Reilly was a useful shill after 9/11 and they needed a Neo-Con mouth piece to spread their propaganda,

All publicly available information firmly condemns O'Reilly as a chronic sexual harasser, which ultimately caused his rightful downfall.

I feel that his worse crime was being one of the shills that consistently spread the neocons "weapons of mass destruction" propaganda that helped lead the U.S. to invade and destabilize Iraq, which ultimately led to the formation of ISIS and the many thousands of deaths and millions of refugees that we see trying to flee Syria today.

In my opinion, he is getting off easy with a 25 million dollar golden parachute.

I say good riddance!!


O'Reilly had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and now Syria
He was just as stupid as the rest of gullible America was in believing the 9/11 narrative as presented
[/URL]

I firmly disagree.

"I think O'Reilly was a useful shill after 9/11 and they needed a Neo-Con mouth piece to spread their propaganda."

Does the above sound familiar? It should because I'm quoting You.

I'm not laying the entire Iraq/Syria in Bill's lap, however with platform afforded Mr. O'Reilly's and his millions of listeners, he was as you stated a mouth-piece for the Bush administration that spread propaganda about weapon's of mass destruction, despite the fact UN inspectors were clear in their assessment that none were to be found.

We should hold journalist to a higher standard when it comes to truth. IMO, Bill O'Reilly and all the other journalist that were mouth pieces for the neocon propaganda that led us to this disastrous and illegal war are culpable.


Abmqa, simply put I envy you if Bill O'Reilly and his lack of social etiquette are of utmost concern and importance to you in so far as what is wrong with this country

I personally feel that Bill O'Rielly could have been anybody, the Neo-cons had a plethora of choices as far as mouth pieces after 9/11
Bill O'Reilly was a nobody anchor of the tabloid show "inside edition" before 9/11 brought him to prominence
If it wasn't Bill O'Reilly reading a teleprompter it would have been someone else
Saying Bill O"Reilly is responsible for the brain washing of America after 9/11 is like saying Britney Spears was the voice of her generation


DNA,

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said that Bill O'Reilly is of utmost importance. I said he played a role, as well as other journalists.

For you to state and I quote you here "O'Reilly had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and now Syria" and here "I think O'Reilly was a useful shill after 9/11 and they needed a Neo-Con mouth piece to spread their propaganda."

For you to say that he had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and now Syria seems disingenuous and definitely contradicts your previous statements.

I'm all for clear and honest debate on this subject, however, I find your argument lacking in consistency and accuracy.


I find this topic trite
It is a talking point spoon fed to you by the main stream media and my only reason for showing up on this thread was to hint at that
By cheering for the demise of one talking head in the media it screams to me that you do not "get it" in terms that all of the main stream media is controlled
They want you embroiled over the controversy of "sexual harassment" and "racism" and a reason to argue and hate your fellow Americans
The media is controlled by the CIA, without a doubt and those same companies/sponsors who dumped O'Reilly in the first place
Right now all of the main stream media in the United States I would dub an enemy to the people of the US and the world at large true journalism is dead in the MSM
From Fox to CNN and everything in between
I have nothing against you ABMQA, I don't know you in the slightest
My main thrust here would be that if for some reason the Murdochs have found something wrong with O'Reilly then maybe O'Reilly is not all that bad, because folks like the Murdochs are the enemies of mankind in my opinion
I care not for the main stream media talking points and I apologize if my refusal to stick to that narrative causes you to feel my dialogue is not substantive

[ThePythonicCow]

I had begun to notice that so many of the Hispanics (mostly males) I encountered here in Texas, when accompanied by my wife, seemed to have an unexpectedly negative attitude towards me and sometimes both of us. I had not experienced anything like this to anywhere near this degree prior to Cristina and I going out into the public here in Texas. How strange I thought... how unexpected.
I grew up in a fairly racist northern US town. It was all white. A black family did move in once, but soon moved on, as I doubt they felt welcome. My father was a bit shocked when I told him, just after I had gotten out of the Air Force, that I planned to move next to Atlanta, Georgia, because, as he said it, "You know ... there's ... down there." (referring to blacks, without actually saying the word, and doubtlessly thinking a less respectful word than "blacks" in his mind.)

I can readily imagine how my father would have reacted, inside, if he had seen the neighbor's daughter dating a black man. To understate matters, his reaction would not have resulted in a look of respect for the black man.

This matters to me some now because my son's girl friend of several years is a fine young lady from Central America, of Spanish and Aztec or Mayan (I forget which) ancestry. She and her parents speak Spanish at home, not English. My son is quite obviously white, of northern European ancestry.

Am I reading you more or less correctly, Sam, when you say that you are getting, when you are out and about with Christina in Texas, looks from Hispanics that might resemble the look that a black man would have gotten from my father, if the black man was acccompanying a white woman?

[Chester]

I had begun to notice that so many of the Hispanics (mostly males) I encountered here in Texas, when accompanied by my wife, seemed to have an unexpectedly negative attitude towards me and sometimes both of us. I had not experienced anything like this to anywhere near this degree prior to Cristina and I going out into the public here in Texas. How strange I thought... how unexpected.
I grew up in a fairly racist northern US town. It was all white. A black family did move in once, but soon moved on, as I doubt they felt welcome. My father was a bit shocked when I told him, just after I had gotten out of the Air Force, that I planned to move next to Atlanta, Georgia, because, as he said it, "You know ... there's ... down there." (referring to blacks, without actually saying the word, and doubtlessly thinking a less respectful word than "blacks" in his mind.)

I can readily imagine how my father would have reacted, inside, if he had seen the neighbor's daughter dating a black man. To understate matters, his reaction would not have resulted in a look of respect for the black man.

This matters to me some now because my son's girl friend of several years is a fine young lady from Central America, of Spanish and Aztec or Mayan (I forget which) ancestry. She and her parents speak Spanish at home, not English. My son is quite obviously white, of northern European ancestry.

Am I reading you more or less correctly, Sam, when you say that you are getting, when you are out and about with Christina in Texas, looks from Hispanics that might resemble the look that a black man would have gotten from my father, if the black man was acccompanying a white woman?

You have it partly right... Cristina is the one that tells me this is why. I had only noticed (and it took several experiences to actually allow myself to notice) that this was what was happening. I am sad if what Cristina tells me has any truth to it because plain and simply, I don't want this to be true.

See, I have lived (or worked) most of the last 20 years outside of the US. I have lived on the island of Curacao for eight of those years. I was always treated well by the folks in Curacao which includes a good many who didn't know I also had a company there for several years that employed over 100 folks from the island. I think a lot of this had to do with my own attitude which shone through my personality and aura. But also, and for the most part, I had experienced this general kindness, same thing in Panama, in Costa Rica and in Colombia... I was always treated well, always treated most friendly.

But also... when I was in Mumbai back in 2005, treated well, treated friendly, felt welcomed. I recall my 10 day long trip to Bangkok in 2000, was treated very kindly, in fact... treated like truly wonderfully and was my first experience in an Asian culture country. I remember being treated well in Amsterdam, London and especially well in the 6 months I lived (half the time) in Manchester back in 2007.

My two trips to Hong Kong back in 2008 and 2009 were wonderful. One of those trips lasted three weeks and I went all over that city almost always by myself and was always treated very kindly.

It has only been recently that I have come to experience what Cristina tells me is a form of prejudice. Maybe there's always a tinge of this underlying... here and there... maybe always has been, isn't unidirectional but goes all directions... but what I have experienced of late is a whole new level of this type of thing.

Folks who know me know who I am, what I am. It doesn't do any good to even attempt to express what I believe is an honest and accurate picture about myself anyways... who cares, who here on the forum might be impacted by my attitudes anywhere near as they would in the flesh, if they entered into relationship in one form or another with me. But I still feel compelled to try and convince any reader that this strange thing folks call racism ends with (at least in my case) at the doorway that leaves my heart. Of course I have had experiences that, if perhaps they were experienced by another... would be cited as grounds to have more racist attitudes, but I don't hold the 18 year old kid who, when coming back from court to his cell at the Lubbock County jail saw me and then came up and drop kicked me in the chest.... and when I asked him why he did that, ho looked at me with a glare and said, "Because the judge was white," (I learned later he had just been sentenced to five years in the pen). I felt bad for him, never held any ill will against him though I was a bit afraid of him. This is an understandable example of human actions / reactions.

But what gets me is folks like Sharpton that make a living off of fomenting hate and anger instead of giving his time to trying to raise understanding and explore true, lasting solutions. And what gets to me even more is the left leaning media... in fact, they (for the most part... not all, but certainly a large majority) make this a constantly thriving extremely over exaggerated issue and worse, they paint the matter as whites (and mostly if not exclusively white males) who are at fault.

Anytime anyone or any group calls anything and everything "racist," even when there may actually be a smidgen of racism involved is doing the worst thing to ever achieve resolution and that is -

Taking the focus OFF the individual and their own responsibility to rise above it. None of this (IMO) should have anything to do with skin color, religion, gender, sexual preferences or this newest child of the oppressed, gender identity that is not their biological gender... its all nothing but a distraction meant to avoid what is actually the real problem... and that is with regards to how person A treats person B (and I am restricting this to the human species for purposes of this discussion).

Person A and how they treat Person B. Person B and how they interpret their experience of being treated poorly by Person A. Person A needs to work on how they treat people. Person B needs to have a little understanding that Person A may have succumbed a bit to a combination of ignorant attitudes and perhaps a few unfortunate experiences but that is then inflamed further by the unconscionable media (almost exclusively politically left) and opportunistic professional race baiters (practically entirely politically left).

I have a lot more to say about this... but I probably already wrote way too much.

[ThePythonicCow]

I have a lot more to say about this... but I probably already wrote way too much.
Perhaps one can think of racism as primarily a social disease, a disease of society, rather than primarily an individual disease. Perhaps the only people immune from social diseases are those who are more or less entirely disconnected from society, a rather inhuman and typically unfortunate state of affairs in its own way.

As you suggest - take the focus of racism OFF the individual's responsibility.

That's certainly how I think of my father, who I know as a gentle, caring and honorable person, devoted to his family, his children, his nation, and the plants and animals he cared for on his farm. That he was racist or had high blood pressure (a symptom of the health issues that eventually killed him) or a dreadful diet or a quite limited education, or was addicted to two or three packs of cigarettes per day are all unfortunate details, encouraged in him by circumstances and forces that were largely outside of his awareness and self improving abilities.

[Chester]

I just found this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97102-Eric-Jon-Phelps-exposes-Trump-the-most-important-message-on-Trump&p=1147984&viewfull=1#post1147984) now and wish to highlight what turiya is saying here in this thread as this is exactly what I was also trying to say. The words of turiya say this far better than I could.



And as I have said with the regard to race - in fact, I said forget about race... One has to come to understand that acceptance of oneself for who they are, this has to be the prequisite in order to accept others for who they are. Racism, then, becomes non existent. It automatically dissolves away on its own accord. The correct mindset is enough to do this.

I don't think that is an impossible task to achieve. A community of people that have achieved this mindset, it would & could spread like a wildfire... a contagion. It could become epidemical. A nation of people that accept themselves for who they are, would set a model for other nations to follow. And, it would not take long for there to come into existence an entire planet of people who love themselves for who they are that would accept other alien nations for who they are.

Only then would the Earth human family be allowed to enter the an interplanetary community. Laugh if you want to, but perhaps, this Trump presidency just may be the leading edge of this kind of awakening in human consciousness to come into fruition.

Just saying...

[Chester]

I have a lot more to say about this... but I probably already wrote way too much.
Perhaps one can think of racism as primarily a social disease, a disease of society, rather than a primarily individual disease. Perhaps the only people immune from social diseases are those who are more or less entirely disconnected from society, a rather inhuman and typically unfortunate state of affairs in its own way.

As you suggest - take the focus of racism OFF the individual's responsibility.

That's certainly how I think of my father, who I know as a gentle, caring and honorable person, devoted to his family, his children, his nation, and the plants and animals he cared for on his farm. That he was racist or had high blood pressure (a symptom of the health issues that eventually killed him) or a dreadful diet or a quite limited education, or was addicted to two or three packs of cigarettes per day are all unfortunate details, encouraged in him by circumstances and forces that were largely outside of his awareness and self improving abilities.

I was possibly not clear - I will try to clarify. Labeling group "types" as either being racist or prone to demonstrating a greater percentage of racist actions (or other forms of prejudice based actions) is (for me) a major mistake.

To me this is about an individual's attitudes as revealed by their actions (which can include words). Folks, on an individual basis, should be pressed individually to own up to their responsibility on an individual basis to rise above these attitudes. By taking color or gender or nationality or religion or, or, or... out of the picture and instead holding another responsible in a direct way is, to me, the key out of this trap.

Who cares what prejudices I might have either been infected with or cultivated on my own... the fact that I am responsible for my actions (and words) is really all that matters today and in the now moment. If I have to figure out the whole psychological messs I find myself consumed by, then I damn well better do it... doesn't matter my gender, my religion, what sex I think I am, what country I am from, what color my skin is or any group anyone might wish to put me in or that I might see myself as being in.

To me... all that is distraction and the media and race baiting folks flame these fires. There doesn't even need to be a third party Machiavelli pulling on the puppet strings as we do that well enough to ourselves. Until we look in the mirror, individual by individual and decide that "I am going to accept my responsibility and be responsible..." nothing will ever change.


ahhh but in the case of your father, Paul... he sounds just like my grandfather was (same story... and he smoked himself dead at age 65 and was terribly prejudice)... that's when I take the responsibility not to judge, but to understand. And yet if Pop (my grandfather) were alive today and if he advanced those same attitudes, I would first let my own expressions speak, but if conversation on the matter were ever an opportunity, I would certainly share with him my views, many he might not have liked.

Loving folks does not mean accecpting unacceptable behavior, especially when it becomes clear that in doing so... one enables them further. Life is so tricky. Uuuggghhh.

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I totally agree with you Sam, racism was and for most still is a tribal left over, from tribal thinking, and erasing racism has to start on an individual basis, with far reaching Inside (as well for sexism etc.).

I also know that there is worlwide discrepancies in the ways of thinking and behaving (example: in El Salvador, the way you say bye with your hand looks like "come here" for North Americans, and come here looks like "bye" for North American, which led to hilarious situations when I was there 40 years ago). But they are only discrepancies, not fundamental human différences (nobody is an ET here on earth, well, as much as we know).

I know also for a fact that any race raised in a given culture will take the behaviors and thinking patterns of that given culture. As a French Canadian, I see different thinking pattern on the French side than on the English side of my own city, but nowaday, it does not make much difference to most Montrealers, we know the différences and enjoy it (which was not the case 40 years ago because racism against French was rampant, which is not the case any longer).

Sam, you have had a hard life and your wife too, so you both understand what empathy and human behavior and respect is about.

In my own family, I have white people or French ancestry (which is in fact a mix of French, Irish, and American Indians, the basic roots which I am from), some Scandinavians origins, and then later additions some black women who are my nièces (and yes, my brother often gets dirty looks when he is with his daughters).

We have forgotten the colors, it has to be reminded to us by the outside world. Also, my own daughter is of mixed origins although she turned out to be more white than most white - I was expecting to have made a darker one... and she is dating a Swiss guys of Portuguese origins. This is what earth humans are slowly becoming, all in a very gentle way. My nephew comes to family parties with his girl friend, a mixed Colombian and Japanese (beautiful woman). And of course, I have myself lived in Central America and Turkey and still have many friends from both continents.

This is exactly why I am soooooo against anything that tries to limit our thinking and social behaving and impose some very restrictive laws on us, like the jihadists wanting the Sharia law. This is sooooooo much retrograde that it becomes clearly unacceptable for women, for different races, for Christians, name it. And believe me, the fundamentalists are crazies and will do anything to implement such (Turkey, which was very secular, where 80% of the population wanted nothing to do with politics based on religion in year 2,000, had a religiously based governement elected 10 years later, supported by the USA). So, the problem is constantly there and growing in the Western countries.

For example, I hate being told very arrogantly, with a loud voice for all to hear, in a food store by a man flirting the cashier in front of his wife "I have the right to four wifes, therefore and can and will flirt her" and turning to her and flirting her - no, in my country, this is illegal to have 4 wifes and if you came here, you've got to respect the laws and customs and your present wife can ask for divorce because you have a second wife. Period. But this is what Islamists want and Sharia law does. Women half of men legally, can be beaten by their husband, can be fired just with 4 sentences 3 times, etc. And no respect for the occidentals, whatsoever, in my own country, and I pay with my taxes for that... no thanks. I do understand not all Muslims are like that, but enough to make me think and not enough ordinary ones taking the high ground to protest against this.

Sharia and fundamental Islam is the ultimate racism these days, like it has not been seen since the crusades. I know, I have seen and lived it in business, in life, in the Streets of Montréal.

In my family and group of friends and society, this is unacceptable.






I had begun to notice that so many of the Hispanics (mostly males) I encountered here in Texas, when accompanied by my wife, seemed to have an unexpectedly negative attitude towards me and sometimes both of us. I had not experienced anything like this to anywhere near this degree prior to Cristina and I going out into the public here in Texas. How strange I thought... how unexpected.
I grew up in a fairly racist northern US town. It was all white. A black family did move in once, but soon moved on, as I doubt they felt welcome. My father was a bit shocked when I told him, just after I had gotten out of the Air Force, that I planned to move next to Atlanta, Georgia, because, as he said it, "You know ... there's ... down there." (referring to blacks, without actually saying the word, and doubtlessly thinking a less respectful word than "blacks" in his mind.)

I can readily imagine how my father would have reacted, inside, if he had seen the neighbor's daughter dating a black man. To understate matters, his reaction would not have resulted in a look of respect for the black man.

This matters to me some now because my son's girl friend of several years is a fine young lady from Central America, of Spanish and Aztec or Mayan (I forget which) ancestry. She and her parents speak Spanish at home, not English. My son is quite obviously white, of northern European ancestry.

Am I reading you more or less correctly, Sam, when you say that you are getting, when you are out and about with Christina in Texas, looks from Hispanics that might resemble the look that a black man would have gotten from my father, if the black man was acccompanying a white woman?

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DNA you are right about pédophiles and scums that should be put down almost literally so perverted they are,

Helen you are right about the ultraviolet feminism etc.

Sam you are right some men are taken almost all they have by gold diggers, or real hungry wifes.

However, for women and divorce, I have seen many much more women caught alone with their kid, having to supply for their food and roof, with no revenues from the father who has escaped to better faith with a new love and has no money to spare for his offsprings. However, yes, I have met some men that were left penniless and some men that were beaten by their wifes and could not protest because they would have been the one accused and arrested.

However, once again, these plights are much more frequent for women (just starting with women making on average 30% less revenue even when taking into account the child manufacturing periods (pregnancies). Injustice starts at birth for many women, throughout the world including north America.

I am one who has been plucked of her belongings and money, who has been working for years in a company with no returns (literally for free) because I dared wanting to divorce, and I am one of those who was left pretty much along to raise a kid with a handicap. And like many women, I did more than many men would for their offspring, such as working 70 hours a week to pay for the roof, food, and very expensive thérapies. I do think I was quite worst off than many men who pay huge alimonies and chldren support yet have free time and time for a new spouse (which I did not have for 18 years, up to three years ago).

Most men are not in a bad situation when they divorce for younger women, but often their wives are.

Now, when there is harassment at work, it used to be the women who had to give up her work in order to avoid this perpetual very detrimental situation and men would not even be told to stop by other men (the hierarchy). It was manly wasn't it. Now at a minimum women can denounce. And they can denounce for their children too if taken by pédophiles.

<and of course, all these are sex and power combined, the strongest possible addiction.

Yeah... I guess you are right, women are maligned the world over. It's a shame... has to be the fault of the male half of the species too.

Men... men are so evil, especially white men.

I'm through with 'em.

All of 'em.

Women are evil too ... Men just get away with it more ... sometimes I feel I'm through with humans ... the vast majority seem so blind and idiotic to me ... but then I examine that and see, "****, now I have the disease that I hate in them!" ... stupid being human ... Then I remember the long term goals and the potential that will result ... and have to just accept it.

Yep, just accept it (how humans are) while hoping we won't destroy the earth in the meantime.

I have also learned something else: sometimes it is one's karma to protest and expose the unacceptable, the thing that harms others, like the Nazi should have been exposed, or the craziness of Hitler. If you have not done your human homework before, you will have to to it now, kind of.