The Truth about Corey Goode

[iota]

Thanks so much Mike!

i'm generally a fan of just about everyone and definitely anyone attempting to raise the consciousness of the populace ... i'm NOT a fan of those attempting to cause deception or of leaders voicing opposition when someone is genuinely attempting to bring information to light ...

i have NEVER intuitively trusted Wilcock or Goode and was frankly amazed and appalled at the large mass of followers, and i was concerned on their behalf ... but no solid cause behind that.

so i was grateful that Bill opened up and shared the information he had ... he presented it FOR evaluation as far as i understood, and i sort of pride myself IN my ability TO understand.

therefore i had NO problem understanding that his words were being twisted and meaning assigned that simply was not there ... that is ALWAYS a "bad" thing

to have a leader do that? with so many gullible followers likely to blindly "follow suit" ... now it became MY moral responsibility to point out that black is in fact black and white is in fact white

i've worked too hard to move people out of their slumber to even recognize the NEED to question (reasons she outlined herself) to sit by silently while a "leader" attempts to silence or challenge that very action that is OUR (and i include the entire human race here) RIGHT to do

NOT questioning IS the problem the majority of time

it is how evil goes unchecked

if it cannot withstand questioning? then it need not hold the place it does, right?

either way Ms Cassidy's post has the dubious distinction of being the ONE thing that propelled me into action to join a forum ... that ALL these years and decades i never had ...

lol!@ ... i'll try to stay out of trouble now ... :D

[RunningDeer]

In closing, i would like to offer a mild explanation that my son just passed away (Mar 2) i will always believe and have cause to believe that irrespective of details, there was an intention to subvert and attack me and my work specifically. Whether or not that is in fact so, i have paid my due diligence and showed my commitment in spite of great motivation to slip away in silence ... and having paid many a high price, as well as having proven my commitment and love in service to others i believe entitles me to have equal vocalization in a matter that can have an impact on what i personally endeavor to do.


i merely, shared that to apologize and give you an understanding of where i am coming from in respect to my tone. prior to march, it is likely i would have been much more diligent and perhaps NOT so forthright. but my son is dead. i have NO more time to play games or appease. there is work to be done. many, many including most here have ALL done their part to move the consciousness forward ...

Welcome to Avalon, iota. Sorry for the loss of your son. My heart goes out to you. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/come-in-hug.gif Such a short time ago or long time ago depending on how those moment to moments stretch out.

With heart,
Paula ♡

[AutumnW]

hi iota, welcome to the forum!

nice post there!

look, i'm not a kerry fan. i'd really like to unleash some thoughts here.....the only thing keeping me from really letting it rip is my respect for Bill.

but i will say this: it's not too complex. whenever there is some noise on avalon, or whenever we're getting attention here, Kerry will find some nonsensical reason to inject herself into it for a little shameless attention. she'll find some reason to associate herself with the action. thats what she did here. thats all there is to it. notice she'll rarely follow up. thats very telling.

Does this mean you haven't ordered the, "it's complicated," coffee mug and t-shirt?:bigsmile:

[geofffxdwg]

Because he will be easy to debunk at the right time. Thats why Corey!

[iota]

Welcome to Avalon, iota. Sorry for the loss of your son. My heart goes out to you. Such a short time ago or long time ago depending on how those moment to moments stretch out.

With heart,
Paula ♡



dearest Running Dear

i feel as though i know your gentle spirit from having read so many of your posts in the past (thank you for them by the way). it was recent, March 2, 2017. But i'm ok. i KNEW i would not be allowed crash in a completely brutal way, but i was given an extraordinary amount of grace and the kindness and compassion of others has truly, truly been such a blessing to me at this time ... he was a very kind and gentle soul and the world WAS a bit harsh for him, i take solace in knowing they can't mess with my baby any more and now he is where he is understood and everyone speaks his language ~ Love

blessings to you precious soul! may your compassion be returned to you multiplies ... <3:heart:

[UfonautRadio]

Again, thanks to BR for having the courage to do this. It's not easy. The big icture questions about CG's story is what is really important. Using other charlatan personalities as proof of your own tale is ludicrous. I found the explanation on CG's site even more ridiculous.

https://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/where-is-the-physical-evidence-to-support-your-claims.html

The Gaia machine is so slick at this point, no other para outfit will be able to compete in that space. Yes they are doing an excellent job with marketing and production. This is what makes them even more dangerous.

[iota]

Again, thanks to BR for having the courage to do this. It's not easy. The big icture questions about CG's story is what is really important. Using other charlatan personalities as proof of your own tale is ludicrous. I found the explanation on CG's site even more ridiculous.

https://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/where-is-the-physical-evidence-to-support-your-claims.html

The Gaia machine is so slick at this point, no other para outfit will be able to compete in that space. Yes they are doing an excellent job with marketing and production. This is what makes them even more dangerous.

completely agree which is WHY awareness of the attempts to "silence all dissent" or ridicule and outright attack those who question is SO important, there comes a point when they reach a level that seems to be "above question" and NONE of us should ever be given that ... it's not conducive to integrity, accountability nor responsibility.

honestly, this issue would have been much better served to have been addressed MUCH earlier prior to its escalation of mass followers ... if i WERE to find fault, it would not be IN questioning, but rather in not doing it earlier and more persistently when it was more "containable ~ strictly my opinion, of course

[RunningDeer]

This is a continuation of Randy Maugans’ video series from the OP (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1148567&viewfull=1#post1148567). The summary offers interesting POVs and info if you don’t have time to listen.

You're welcome to move if it’s too far from topic.

Snippet from video summary:




We discuss what the "Secret Space Program": a mind control program that operates as a front for weapons programs and atmospheric mind control; Corey Goode just the latest version of a long series of planted assets, used to exploit people in the UFO, "Exopolitics" movements; Exopolitics is a money-making operation; SSP is a truth, but NOT what is presented.

The Theme of the Meme is the Blue Avians. Goode is using indoctrination to cancel out the menacing aspects of the secret weapons programs; the multi-tiered aspects of SSP; masking sexual abuse, pedophilia, and traumatic mind control programs; "Mars" programming, screen memories; "space" as it is presented is a myth; SSP uses simulations, induction, and hypnosis on subjects.



@ 31:02 (https://youtu.be/1GjRZyzepFM?t=31m02s) - Randy’s question - “Are we seeing active triggers implanted even in the word blue avians? And is this something that’s being encoded as an acceptance in to entrainment?” Elise responds in part from this book:

This is the book Elise E. reads from by Mark M. Rich, “New World War: Revolutionary Methods for Political Control”.

Amazon Summary (https://www.amazon.com/New-World-War-Revolutionary-Political-ebook/dp/B00CQBIDOG/ref=la_B00CEE7DVE_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1494613466&sr=1-3):




A silent war is taking place in cities all over the planet. It is covered-up by the media, mental health system, NGOs, and our elected officials. Now that the financial elite are finished using the US military and allied forces to conquer nations in their quest for global domination, they're neutralizing individuals and groups of resisters who live among the people. To do this, they have recruited a major portion of the civilian population, which is used as a surrogate force to persecute those who have been identified as enemies. As part of the same agenda, the security forces are conducting psychological operations on civilians and torturing them with directed-energy weapons. The entire operation is in service to some very wealthy psychopaths who rule our society, as part of a global revolution intended to result in a planetary dictatorship, known as the New World Order.


Elisa E.: Mind War: Psy-Ops, World-view Warfare, and Targeted Groups

1GjRZyzepFM

Published on May 12, 2017

Emily Moyer, Randy Maugans with MKULTRA survivor, Elisa E., author of "Our Life Beyond MKULTRA"

https://ourlifebeyondmkultra.wordpress.com

ARE MAJOR UFO CONFERENCES USED AS LURES FOR OPERATIVES TO BE RE-PROGRAMMED? WHAT ARE THE DANGERS TO TIs, OPERATIVES, SURVIVORS OF SRA,CULTS, AND THOSE IN DE-PROGRAMMING...AND TO ATTENDEES IN GENERAL?

"This is the key point: the effective employment of air and space power has to do not so much with airplanes and missiles and engineering as with thinking and attitude and imagination."-- General Merrill A. McPeak, USAF.

~Neocortical Warfare-RAND CORP.
~New World War Revolutionary Methods for Political Control by Mark M. Rich
~Doctrine For Joint Psychological Operations-Joint Chiefs of Staff publication

Contact In The Desert/Corey Goode/Steven Greer/ Wizard of Oz/"Over the Rainbow Programming”

The UFO scene, conferences as addiction; critical for people de-programming to attend these events---which can be re=programming venues for TIs, ex-Black Ops operatives, MPD/DID, SRA survivors, etc.

Isolation and exposure risks at major events like UFO conferences Steven Greer. Plasma ships, Contact In the Desert, energy-based mind control, mass hypnosis.

Elisa's programming to Steven Greer; the International UFO Conference in Laughlin; how she was programmed into a situation where she was deployed as an assassin; Greer is a programmed asset of the CIA; Podesta designated agent for "disclosure" program; has ongoing contact with John Podesta and Hillary Clinton

Elisa's encounter with Steven Greer at IUFOC. (00:25:00)
Induced states, neuro-linguistic programming, and layered signals.

Staged meetings, mind controlled actors/operatives planted to monitor and harrass targeted attendees

Connections to conferences, intelligence agencies, key "asset" media outlets like Project Camelot.

We discuss what the "Secret Space Program": a mind control program that operates as a front for weapons programs and atmospheric mind control; Corey Goode just the latest version of a long series of planted assets, used to exploit people in the UFO, "Exopolitics" movements; Exopolitics is a money-making operation; SSP is a truth, but NOT what is presented.

The Theme of the Meme is the Blue Avians. Goode is using indoctrination to cancel out the menacing aspects of the secret weapons programs; the multi-tiered aspects of SSP; masking sexual abuse, pedophilia, and traumatic mind control programs; "Mars" programming, screen memories; "space" as it is presented is a myth; SSP uses simulations, induction, and hypnosis on subjects.

Elisa talks about her experiences with a UFO abductees group. Group was a "honeypot operation" for programming; encounter with a humanoid entity; a visit to "red place" (Mars?), MiLABS. Rape and sexual programming as “Kundalini".

SSP as cover-up for various clandestine operations, A.I., transhumanism and plasma weaponry. Orbs and Sphere Beings to present plasma weaponry as exotic and exciting "sci-fi"-type imagery.

How MILABS and Super Soldier programs emerged as conduits for misdirection.

Exopolitics has replaced MUFON. Well financed, celebrities, glossy "Hollywood" presentation. Legitimate expositors of information on SSP, Catherine Austin-Fitts, Joseph Farrell; researching verifiable information vs. the undocumented programs; psycho-spiritual aspects of "disclosure".

Unacknowledged Special Access Programs.

Release of MK-ULTRA documents was a controlled leak to hide the major programs and agendas.

Exopolitics, SSP as "magnets" to sustain the illusions about "outer space" programs; it is a belief system; the balance between the intellectual and spiritual exploration of all phenomenon. Levels of information that do not exist as documentation.

The Spiritual.BIZ interview with Corey Goode on making money from "spirituality"; the CULT being built around The Sphere Being Alliance and the Blue Avians; ascension; cults are money-making operations.

Whistleblowers usually wind up being stalked, abused, targeted, broke, and marginalized---how does Corey Goode wind up on the talk circuit, feted, put up in nice home, being paid high dollars, and running a media entertainment enterprise. Glamorizing mind control.

Disposable "assets": Max Spiers, the sacrifice of key figures; invitation to walk away from the agencies' agenda, join us in exploring and exposing the truth---not the fictions deployed as deep psychological operations to hide their agendas.

[Mike]

its an interesting interview. im a little more than halfway thru.

i find that the catch 22 in the alt community is this: those sincere people attempting to expose frauds often have backgrounds and stories that are almost as unbelievable as the frauds themselves (its a dynamic that allows people like Corey to infiltrate us so easily). its like someone warning us about the dangers of person x and his crazy stories involving Dr Strange while in the very next breath earnestly launching into their own personal experiences with the Incredible Hulk. thats how it comes off. and its easy for the Corey's of the world to exploit that.

ive been around a while. most of us have. we *know* about super soldiers and mind control. i *know* for a *fact* that these things exist. im a firm believer in the testimony of Cathy O'Brien, for example. but even me, someone who has been around the block a few times with this stuff, was sort of thinking "noooo! stop! please! i beg you!" when she started telling the tale of being abducted at the super soldier conference, being implanted with an alter to kill Greer, and so on.

this woman seemed very sincere. her story was fascinating, and very well could be true. but its so fantastical that when juxtaposed against Corey's it provides zero perspective. it just makes things even blurrier. well, for me anyway.

i tend to get dizzy when there is nothing to grab on to...when theres no solid ground from which to operate. in a very difficult murder case a detective might have one or 2 very small clues, like a shoe print or blurry security cam photo..but at least he has something! when i hear stories like these, there is nothing to grab on to, no point from which to operate....so you always feel off balance..or like youre floating in this nebulous mass of emotional and intellectual quicksand. and yet, i *know* these things happen..so i sort of have mixed feelings about it all.

now i shall shut up and listen to the rest of it...

[RunningDeer]

its an interesting interview. im a little more than halfway thru.

I downloaded the video a little before 11 a.m. Now 6 hours later, I’m only @ 1:06:28.

I’m watching the ADD part of me find all sorts of stupid busy things to do or going off on tangents from the video. Fascinating topics are covered. Lots of ah-has. I continue to check the reasons why I haven’t completed it. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/noidea.gif Typically, the behavior means it's not meant for me, but I don't believe it's the case with this one.


now i shall shut up and listen to the rest of it...
Yup, me too. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/belly-laugh.gif

[TargeT]

its an interesting interview. im a little more than halfway thru.

i find that the catch 22 in the alt community is this: those sincere people attempting to expose frauds often have backgrounds and stories that are almost as unbelievable as the frauds themselves

If they didn't have that type of background, would they get any exposure/support/attention at all? (I think that's the REAL catch 22.... haha, and it's all about the "culture" of the community)



Typically, the behavior means it's not meant for me, but I don't believe it's the case with this one.


Careful with that intuition... it can be a subtle one...


Me and the SPP or SSP stuff don't jive well, I do know a certain bit of what's said is very probably true; but then the drugs kick in and we are talking about mars and other things that are just a bridge too far for me with out something to back it up (I'd even take math formulas.. literally anything that isn't "what someone said").

I don't want to believe.

I want to comprehend.

[RunningDeer]

Typically, the behavior means it's not meant for me, but I don't believe it's the case with this one.


Careful with that intuition... it can be a subtle one...

I don't want to believe.

I want to comprehend.
Then that makes two of us, i.e. comprehend. (+ inner knowing for me)

BTW: "Careful with that intuition" is a belief, too.

The boat load of intuitive water is balanced out with a heavy, analytical moon and mercury of fire. My statement 'I don't believe it's the case' is me taking it in and sitting with it. There's an initial gut knowing, to which I include the process of see and understand more of it.


:offtopic:

[Lost N Found]

Reading into all of this and I must say this is not the first time that Corey Goode has been raked over the coals on this forum. I believe David Wilcock has also been given the scrutiny and I will say it is a good thing that folks do scrutinize these whistle blowers. I remember when I first signed up on this forum back in 2012 it seemed that Corey was here but I could be wrong. He called himself GoodETxSG or some such back then and this forum was hot with all kinds of things then. I remember going to another forum that was created called Freedom something or other and found Corey there spreading his whistle blowing stuff. So anyway knew his stuff back then but did not seem to spitting out the stuff about SSP or Blue Avians. Well here is something I just found and do not know if others have seen it or perhaps folks have but here is my question.

What is this all about?
https://tifvision.wordpress.com/2017/05/11/reverse-speech-analysis-by-tiffany-fontenot-of-bill-ryan-accusations-of-corey-goode (https://tifvision.wordpress.com/2017/05/11/reverse-speech-analysis-by-tiffany-fontenot-of-bill-ryan-accusations-of-corey-goode/)

[DeDukshyn]

Reading into all of this and I must say this is not the first time that Cory Goode has been raked over the coals on this forum. I believe David Wilcox has also been given the scrutiny and I will say it is a good thing that folks do scrutinize these whistle blowers. I remember when I first signed up on this forum back in 2012 it seemed that Cory was here but I could be wrong. He called himself GoodeTx or some such back then and this forum was hot with all kinds of things then. I remember going to another forum that was created called Freedom something or other and found Cory there spreading his whistle blowing stuff. So anyway knew his stuff back then but did not seem to spitting out the stuff about SSP or Blue Avians. Well here is something I just found and do not know if others have seen it or perhaps folks have but here is my question.

What is this all about?
https://tifvision.wordpress.com/2017/05/11/reverse-speech-analysis-by-tiffany-fontenot-of-bill-ryan-accusations-of-corey-goode/


I only skimmed the first few pages ...

This:
"*Note: Corey is actually not the only one to have contact with Blue Avians. Bonnie Meyer has also had contact with a Blue Avian. Meyer is from Wisconsin and was first contacted in 1976 until the present. Meyer talks about a big blue bird named Eric. "

This is not about the (looks pretty fake to me) "speech analysis" -- the above is digging into how Bill's own experiences (as presented) is wrong, (even though Bill clearly stated before the statement"as far as I know ..." indicating that this is his personal experience ... if this were merely an analysis of the recording, why is the "interpreter" ignoring Bill's claimed experience to not have included Blue Avians, and interjecting the notion that Bill is WRONG because his experience didn't include blue avians, because some supposed evidence of someone else claiming them could be presented? It is a clear bias -- no serious, actually objective person trying to do a valid reverse speech analysis would ever do this and still be credible. There is obviously skin in the game here, either that or the presenter of their "reverse speech analysis" is completely incompetent.

It looks entirely fabricated due to the above issues and the extreme lack of sources behind any of the claimed "reasonings" this "interpreter" gives for his/her declarations. Just random opinions based on nothing. This one is so poor I'm giggling a bit. :)


"The Earl metaphor is the majestic part of the psyche." -- I searched for this and found zilch in correlation --- obviously just a ton of BS .. one of those "believe me, I'm an expert" lulls, with zero corroborating evidence. And in that sense, very "Cory-esque" ;) ("evidence not needed -- trust me, I'm an expert!", lol)

[ThePythonicCow]

Elisa E.: Mind War: Psy-Ops, World-view Warfare, and Targeted Groups

1GjRZyzepFM

Published on May 12, 2017

Emily Moyer, Randy Maugans with MKULTRA survivor, Elisa E., author of "Our Life Beyond MKULTRA"

This was an important interview, for me anyway. I normally can't stand chatty interviews of 3 or 4 people, some of them from mind-controlled backgrounds, sitting around their Skype microphones trying to make sense of all this.

Elisa E seemed more "real" and interesting to me. I don't recall listening to her before. She's damn good, and I find (1) her description and explanations of mind control projects to be quite credible.

===

A couple of thoughts on what they discussed:

Before now, I had not made the connection before between the "Blue Avians" (that Corey Goode claims to be representing) and the MKUltra related "Project Bluebird" (as described here (http://www.wanttoknow.info/bluebird10pg), here (http://theruiner777.blogspot.ca/2015/03/avians.html), and here (https://publicintelligence.net/cia-bluebird/) (2).) Given that "avian" is basically a synonym for "bird" (the Latin "avis" and the Old English "bird" are synonyms), and given what I've heard and read so far now, it's obvious to me that Corey's "Blue Avians" is a reference to "Project Bluebird".

On another, but related, topic, I've had doubts about what the "Secret Space Program (SSP)" is about for some time now, but have not been able to articulate them. Elisa E's comments on the SSP helped me crystalize my SSP thoughts a bit more.

Like most major ops, I suspect that the SSP is multi-faceted. In my present view, one aspect of the SSP is genuine cover for advanced "black ops" technology, as claimed. A second aspect is to further confuse and obfuscate MKUltra/Bluebird/... mind control projects, as Elisa E describes, and as we might suspect involves Corey Goode. A third aspect is to provide cover for the "Nazi International" (Joseph P Farrell's term) operatives, who have continued to be a major, albeit covert, financing, technology, corporate and political power since World War II, into the present.

I disagree somewhat, however, with Catherine Austin Fitts analysis of the power and influence of the SSP program, which she bases in part on an accounting of the estimated tens of trillions of dollars fraudulently siphoned off the US and Dollar based systems. I don't think that the true size, in terms of goods, services, technology or resources of a covert project can be reliably estimated by the flows of "money" into them. Trillions of Dollars can literally be worth nothing; all such accumulated wealth (stocks, bonds, cash, ...) is essentially a "call" on the future, a "claim" to some goods or services in the future. If you can't collect on that claim, or can only collect "pennies on the dollar", then those claims are worth little or nothing. That is a fundamental property of a debt-money system. I am a long time Fitts fan, but in my view, she is analyzing this more like an accountant than a (good) economist. Given the paucity of "good" economists in recent times who might have served as a role model for Fitts, this is quite excusable <grin>.

===

Two footnotes, for clarification, added a bit later:

(1) I found portions of Elisa E's testimony credible, not necessarily all of it. To other portions of her testimony I could only shrug my shoulders and continue on, not knowing enough to comment either way.

(2) I have not read carefully or validated the three "Project Bluebird" links above. They might be 10% nonsense, or 90% nonsense. I don't know. I just linked them as they made more clear what I thought "Project Bluebird" referred to.

[Bill Ryan]

What is this all about?
https://tifvision.wordpress.com/2017/05/11/reverse-speech-analysis-by-tiffany-fontenot-of-bill-ryan-accusations-of-corey-goode (https://tifvision.wordpress.com/2017/05/11/reverse-speech-analysis-by-tiffany-fontenot-of-bill-ryan-accusations-of-corey-goode/)

Give me a break. :facepalm:

If anyone wants to know what I really meant when I said something — just ask me. :)

:focus:

[RunningDeer]

This was an important interview, for me anyway. I normally can't stand chatty interviews of 3 or 4 people, some of them from mind-controlled backgrounds, sitting around their Skype microphones trying to make sense of all this.

Elisa E seemed more "real" and interesting to me. I don't recall listening to her before. She's damn good, and I find her description and explanations of mind control projects to be quite credible.
Thanks, Paul. Yes, I found there was a lot of information covered. I plan to listen to it again and added her books to my wish list.

I first heard of her a couple of weeks back with Randy and Emily. It was an 11 minute clip called, "WARNING UFO CONFERENCES MAY BE HARVESTING OPERATIONS with Elisa E.".

[Lost N Found]

really good responses. I just wanted to know more of this entire affair. Not saying I agree with Corey Goode or even David Wilcock for that matter. I do my own scrutinizing on just about everything I read or watch. These days are so full of Bullsh** it is hard to believe anything anymore. So My post was just a question and for you Bill I am asking what you really meant in your interview. I do feel that most folks on this forum search in all honesty for the truth. I am sure that there are trolls here as they are on any alternative sight. This entire thread appears to be a major distraction. I even see that you and Kerry Cassidy have disagreements as to what each other may say which seems to be a sorrowful thing. It is such a wrong thing that we out here searching for the truth appear to be fighting among ourselves which does exactly what the elites want us to do. Bill I am not looking to do that at all but rather hear you speak in the truth.

I posted that piece for further information to research on this particular thread as it appears to fit here.

I really do have to thank all the folks that post here for their intelligent thought and research. I really do not know this person that came up with the reverse speech stuff but I did read what was given as an explanation of reverse speech. So maybe there is something to pay attention to.

Thank you

Steven

[Tangri]

RE:
Bill and forum members,

I am not going to go into the interactions I have had with Corey in the very early days (a few years ago) when he contacted me asking if I would interview him. But I will say that while Bill Ryan has every right to make public his own views and research about Corey and his claims, he does not have the right to make statements on my behalf and without my permission about what he assumes I think or what I have told him in confidence.

"Again, correct me if I am wrong by specifically citing the text that somehow i missed, but where exactly were the "statements" on YOUR behalf made? ... OR "assumptions" as to what you think?"

As you ask correction ""Again, correct me if I am wrong by specifically citing the text that"

Last paragraph

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1148567&viewfull=1#post1148567

"I'm no-one's enemy here. But, I am a friend of the truth. (And, fully on record, so is Kerry Cassidy. As best I know, she agrees with everything I've stated here, though some of the details of Corey's earlier interaction with the Avalon community she may not be fully aware of.)"

[Ultima Thule]

Hmm. Claims of a person questioning unverified claims of coloured birds by another person, are now being critiziced by reverse-speech analyst. I would argue that the reverse-speech analysis should be subjected to a diagonal transverse letter-twist analysis to finally get to the bottom of whether the avian story is genuine. After all, anything else would seem futile.

UT
:focus:

[iota]

RE:
Bill and forum members,

I am not going to go into the interactions I have had with Corey in the very early days (a few years ago) when he contacted me asking if I would interview him. But I will say that while Bill Ryan has every right to make public his own views and research about Corey and his claims, he does not have the right to make statements on my behalf and without my permission about what he assumes I think or what I have told him in confidence.

"Again, correct me if I am wrong by specifically citing the text that somehow i missed, but where exactly were the "statements" on YOUR behalf made? ... OR "assumptions" as to what you think?"

As you ask correction ""Again, correct me if I am wrong by specifically citing the text that"

Last paragraph

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1148567&viewfull=1#post1148567

"I'm no-one's enemy here. But, I am a friend of the truth. (And, fully on record, so is Kerry Cassidy. As best I know, she agrees with everything I've stated here, though some of the details of Corey's earlier interaction with the Avalon community she may not be fully aware of.)"

Thank you for your attempt to comply with the request i made of Ms Cassidy, Tangri, it was specifically made of HER ~ and i really was interested in her response and motivation in the first place. However, since you have interjected?

~ in regards to any issue that Bill spoke on her behalf?

i will assert that He did NOT, in fact, speak FOR her ...

The words he chose specifically clarified that it was coming from HIM
As best I know ...He stated HIS understanding of her thoughts. And truly? I believe that is ALL any of us can ever do ... state what OUR understanding is.

And that caveat?:


"as best i know" It allows for the possibility of being in error and removes the statement out of the realm of assertion as fact.

Being in error in the understanding of what someone thinks based on their articulation is an innocent and common mistake anyone can make. For example in your case, you erroneously thought i was requesting a blanket correction, when i was specifically addressing Ms. Cassidy .... so you see? ... it happens

[RunningDeer]

@ 4:42 (https://youtu.be/xQ9sqTVpBt8?t=4m42s)

Interviewer: “You’re in the process of creating a media empire so you can share your message on a larger scale….” “How did you find the courage to actually commit to creating a business seeded in higher consciousness of all things?”

Corey Goode: “Well, interestingly enough it wasn’t even on my radar a year ago. I sort of pushed to start bringing the story, well the information of oneness, of raising your consciousness outside of this little esoteric community. Basically, to stop preaching to the choir. And to find ways to bring seeds to the consciousness of wider super consciousness.”

“…so if we can form basically a publishing company and a media company…”


Spiritual Biz Magazine: Corey Goode
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Trailer - The Blob (1958)
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Young Steve McQueen takes on his first leading role as, um, Steve, a spunky teenager with plenty of heart. Steve sees the blob kill the local doc, but darn it, none of the town's adults will believe him! Yup, it's up to the teens to save the day!


My bad... http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/delete.gif

[iota]

i believe this issue has universal application beyond the specific individuals involved.

I sense a calculated and well orchestrated agenda
whose purpose is to obscure the validity
of the points in question raised by Mr. Ryan
or anyone else for that matter.

The deliberate MiS-RE-Present-ation of such questions AS "attack"
raises an immediate red flag as to avoidance and is cause for concern

The issue is ascertainment of the Truth ~
or whether Fraud, intentional or not, is being perpetrated upon the the public?

A public consisting of many who are in the initial stages of the realization
that reality could be other than what has been presented to them.

A critical point is the detoxification
of the pervasive social programming
they (and all of us) have been subjected to.

Followed by initiating the process of "thinking for themselves"

ANYONE who enters the public arena in the capacity of guiding and directing people
towards Be-Lie-f and promotes acceptance of a EXTERNAL Sources that will "Save" them?

IS immediately suspect AND should be subject to scrutiny

Demanding or expecting to be given Carte Blanche acceptance
of incredulous information presented
WITHOUT question?

This reaches far beyond being mere suspect
and enters the realm of insulting basic intelligence.

What specifically has exempted CG from being held accountable and responsible for his words and actions?

WE know that there are vast amounts of DISinformation
intentionally placed in the public arena
for the specific purpose to veer away from the Truth.

It would be incumbent upon us to acknowledge
that few people have the strength to formulate their"own" beliefs.

Most individuals are under the delusion that the beliefs they hold, are their own.
Upon closer examination, most would find that their "BE-LIE-fs"
were systematically selected and programmed
with little, if any, choice on their part.

This creates an arena rife with possibility for exploitation

Sometimes, there are actual subversive agendas behind the direction of a BE-LIE-f

So, it becomes imperative for ANYONE
who has actual knowledge, cause to doubt, suspicions, etc? ...

TO OPEN their mouths and say so ...

Disclosure is what earns you the title "Whistle Blower"
NOT an audience and a paycheck

At the very least it is incumbent upon ALL of us
to hold public figures to a standard of accountability.

Failure to do, I hold to be gross negligence on OUR part.

As such, it is counterproductive for public figures
or those in a position of influence
to be dismissive towards attempts to garner Truth

It is equally irresponsible for those of observing this diversionary tactic ~ to remain silent

IF we DO, stand by in silence? the term for that is implied consent

When someone HAS relevant information AND remains silent?
that could be construed AS compliance and duplicity.

it is possible that there are powers invested,
perhaps financial gain at stake
that would now use their influence
to silence those who might dare to question

We must NEVER allow that to happen.

ONE of the ways to SILENCE an individual, is to assert that an "attack" is being promulgated.
That is usually ALL that is required to cause someone to retreat in silence.

THIS is the level of reluctance that people have about pursuit of truth or stance in integrity.

The ptb KNOW this.

it is the basis for the utilization of the trite, but very effective, use of "ridicule" as a weapon to "silence" anyone ...

it WORKS!

A very comprehensive course i once took, cited a study that demonstrated that
the "Fear of death" was NOT the number one fear people contended with.
it was:

~ "The Fear of looking bad"

Those that would subvert ANY forward movement out of a hive mentality
WILL employ whatever means are necessary
to undermine those that would seek to promote empowerment in others

If the focus can be shifted out of a genuine Quest for Truth ~

and instead RE-PRESENT-ED it AS "attack"?

Their work is done.

ALL of the LEGITIMATE points in question will be obscured and appear suspect

Often those of limited integrity or maturity and still in "need" of validation"
(the approval of others)
WILL be easily neutralized, and rendered "ineffective" for all intents and purposes.

The tactic is nothing but a "sleigh of hand" ~ diversion of attention

Anything AND everything but focus in whether or not a fraud is taking place?

My point is the RIGHT to question AND even RESPONSIBILITY to do so

NO ONE should stand by in silence while someone attempts to suppress that ~ period

Personally, there is little about either Goode or Wilcock (who is acting as mentor and providing his platform) that i find impressive

One day i heard DW, expressing great excitement that:

" the day" was "coming" when he would not be able to go to a grocery store without being recognized”

i understood the lack of depth and insecurity of such a fragile ego and the level of immaturity it betrayed.

That was a clear indication of a definitive lack of power
Power that would never be possible as long as what "others think" mattered.
Authentic empowerment will always elude those who seek external validation

i was also cognizant of the vulnerability, if not outright propensity, TO BE compromised.

WHY?

Because if one STILL operates at the level of need for external validation?
If one outright CRAVES (and i his case, actually court) ATTENTION?

Then MOST CERTAINLY he can be compromised.

Very simply the intention and motivation behind the actions and words
of such an individual is colored through this filter.

Rather than presenting information accurately and honestly?
One is prone to "tweak" them to suit an audience and obtain the praise (validation) one craves.


it is an extremely DIS-empowering stance to have

~ in short, you have an agenda.

Those whose motives are pure are not concerned with scrutiny

Those who have an agenda ARE

ANY action taken to discourage pursuit of Truth? ~ THAT is suspect as well

Because if the information presented IS True?

there should be no concern about withstanding scrutiny ....

[Chester]

@ 4:42 (https://youtu.be/xQ9sqTVpBt8?t=4m42s)

Interviewer: “You’re in the process of creating a media empire so you can share your message on a larger scale….” “How did you find the courage to actually commit to creating a business seeded in higher consciousness of all things?”

Corey Goode: “Well, interestingly enough it wasn’t even on my radar a year ago. I sort of pushed to start bringing the story, well the information of oneness, of raising your consciousness outside of this little esoteric community. Basically, to stop preaching to the choir. And to find ways to bring seeds to the consciousness of wider super consciousness.”

“…so if we can form basically a publishing company and a media company…”


Spiritual Biz Magazine: Corey Goode
xQ9sqTVpBt8

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Trailer - The Blob (1958)
TdUsyXQ8Wrs

Young Steve McQueen takes on his first leading role as, um, Steve, a spunky teenager with plenty of heart. Steve sees the blob kill the local doc, but darn it, none of the town's adults will believe him! Yup, it's up to the teens to save the day!


My bad... http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/delete_zpsk6bycz0n.GIF

Forgive me but this post just cracked me up. It is sooooooo exactly true in the usage of the analogy. One of the best posts ever... wow.

[astridmari]

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[RunningDeer]

Forgive me but this post just cracked me up. It is sooooooo exactly true in the usage of the analogy. One of the best posts ever... wow.
Thanks, Sam. "The Blob" left a strong impression on me when it first came out. It was what 'flashed' when I listened to Corey's Empire video. I lost count on how many times I almost deleted it; after a rewatch, I thought nope, it's a good visual of the CG virus.


(Petty-Paula-Persona comes out to play.)http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/darth-vader-swords.gif

[Clear Light]

Reading into all of this and I must say this is not the first time that Corey Goode has been raked over the coals on this forum. I believe David Wilcock has also been given the scrutiny and I will say it is a good thing that folks do scrutinize these whistle blowers. I remember when I first signed up on this forum back in 2012 it seemed that Corey was here but I could be wrong. He called himself GoodETxSG or some such back then and this forum was hot with all kinds of things then. I remember going to another forum that was created called Freedom something or other and found Corey there spreading his whistle blowing stuff. So anyway knew his stuff back then but did not seem to spitting out the stuff about SSP or Blue Avians. Well here is something I just found and do not know if others have seen it or perhaps folks have but here is my question.

What is this all about?
https://tifvision.wordpress.com/2017/05/11/reverse-speech-analysis-by-tiffany-fontenot-of-bill-ryan-accusations-of-corey-goode (https://tifvision.wordpress.com/2017/05/11/reverse-speech-analysis-by-tiffany-fontenot-of-bill-ryan-accusations-of-corey-goode/)

Ah, I could be wrong, but having read her conclusion from that link, I'd say it seems as if Tiffany Fontenot (https://www.facebook.com/tifvision) considers "Project Avalon" is somehow part of the "Lightworker Community" eh ?



Conclusion:

Corey has been targeted by a coordinated smear campaign involving naval intelligence and headed up by Henry Kissinger. Bill Ryan appears to be being influenced to go after Corey in a coordinated effort by Ryan and friends. He does not appear to be aware this influencing is going on by this group. However, he and his friends are still responsible for their own choices and actions as they appear to be consciously collaborating in this effort with each other.

The unfortunate folks being sucked into believing what Bill Ryan, his friends, and spook central are shoveling, are also targeted for loosch by this dark group in order to try and create more imbalance, instability, and division within the lightworker community.

My suggestion would be for Bill and friends to regain their balance by not listening to the leading energies put out by darkie spooks who are encouraging imbalances in behavior, thinking, and feeling, that cause them to choose to act in ways that are exactly what they claim to want rid of.

Now, apparently I need to "regain my balance" ... :facepalm:

[Lost N Found]

Yes Clear Light, I posted this article to see what others thought about it and I do believe that I have seen that clearly now. Bill,s response was a surprise certainly and surely I would directly ask him what he meant when he entered into this entire scene of dealing with this Corey character. This particular article is playing out all over alternative media now. I would expect Bill to give his response. I do not know of this Tiffany Fontenot but could bear more research to see where she might be coming from.

Well so much for my two cents worth. Do not forget to laugh everyday. and for all on this thread and on Avalon, thank you for your wonderful knowledge and research.

Just a wanderer
Steven

[Clear Light]

Ah sorry Bill. I do get confused with the timeline. I did look at CG's Likedin page, https://www.linkedin.com/in/corey-goode-7024621/. It seems like from his references that he did indeed work in the IT field.

Ah, in the interests of cross-referencing "information", here's what seems like one of Corey's earlier attempts (at around 2012 from the image's timestamp) at a website (https://plus.google.com/109351196653443445685) :

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About
Introduction

Network/VM/CITRIX Support/Security since 1995 to the present after being in the Physical/Electronic Surveillance Security Field. INFJ Personality Type

I am also a HAM Operator: KE5UNV. SPC, TXSG 2nd BT 19th Reg C4I. I have actively practiced RV since 1998 to Present. I have also become an activist for Military, Law Enforcement and Disaster first responders who suffer from PTSD, Traumatic Brain Injuries and Seizure Disorders related to these disabilities. Why? Because I have suffered this discrimination myself. Working in the past for Microsoft, XO Communications, ABSG/US Bio (Pharma company that produces flu vaccines etc)... and Beal Bank, Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, Citigroup Bank and Santander (Bank of Spain). I have witnessed extreme corruption. Being in the IT field you are basically invisible while helping support teleconference calls and meetings where executives speak freely and openly as though the IT person is wearing a cloak of invisibility. Other IT people can verify this. Postings here will be of family fun as well as recorded corruption I have taken from some (Not all) of the companies above.

I have highlighted Beal Bank as it also appears on his supposed current LinkedIn profile ...

[Bill Ryan]

Elisa E.: Mind War: Psy-Ops, World-view Warfare, and Targeted Groups

1GjRZyzepFM

Published on May 12, 2017

Emily Moyer, Randy Maugans with MKULTRA survivor, Elisa E., author of "Our Life Beyond MKULTRA"

This was an important interview, for me anyway. I normally can't stand chatty interviews of 3 or 4 people, some of them from mind-controlled backgrounds, sitting around their Skype microphones trying to make sense of all this.

Elisa E seemed more "real" and interesting to me. I don't recall listening to her before. She's damn good, and I find (1) her description and explanations of mind control projects to be quite credible.



Yes, excellent. :thumbsup:

At 32:30, Elisa begins reading from an article about Psychological Operations (PsyOps).

This is here:


http://newworldwar.org/psyop.htm

This entire long article is worth reading several times over, and taking good notes. Believe me.

Here's the Corey Goode operation — described with a fair degree of precision:




“Psychological operations are planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of [foreign governments,] organizations, groups, and individuals.”
[ .... ]
"Military deception (MILDEC) seeks to mislead the enemy by affecting all conduits of information which they rely on to make decisions. This includes all systems, groups, and even individuals, which the enemy uses as a source of information.

It does this to the point of managing the perception of the enemy. MILDEC is similar to PsyOp. PsyOp normally targets groups while MILDEC targets individuals. An individual targeted for MILDEC may also be part of a PsyOp target group."
[ .... ]
"Neocortical warfare is RAND’s version of PsyOp that controls the behavior of the enemy without physically harming them. RAND describes the neocortical system as consciousness, perception, and will. Neocortical warfare regulates the enemy’s neocortical system by interfering with their continuous cycle of observation, orientation, decision, and action. It presents the enemy with perceptions, sensory, and cognitive data designed to result in a narrow set of conclusions, and ultimately actions."
[ .... ]
"Products are typically used as part of a line of communication known as a theme to convey a message to the TA [Target Audience]. The products used to transmit PsyOp messages are limitless. The three basic categories of PsyOp products are audio, visual, and audiovisual.

Audio products include radio broadcasts, music, telephone conversations, and loudspeaker announcements. Visual products include items that can only be seen. Some of these are commercially produced. Examples are print media such as newspapers, inserts, magazines, leaflets, posters, pamphlets, books, drawings, paintings, notebooks, calendars, and stickers. Existing literary media is also used to promote themes."

He forgot to include beer mats and coffee cups. :)

Note that Elisa states that the Steven Greer operation is very similar. I'd entirely agree.

[Hym]

Good One, of Many, Bill

(Disclaimer Notice: I do not, nor does anyone on this site condone suicide, but there may be special cases when the court of reconciliation just has no effect on the guilty....)

"If you're in advertising, kill yourself. (the audience laughs...). No, Really. Just do us all a favor and kill yourself. Really. Kill yourself." So said the late comedian Bill Hicks.

Bill's advice makes sense here, as I ask 'What is the difference between an ad man and a psy-op m.f.er?'. Same school, same arrogance, same inhumanity and same master they kneel in front of. How long did it take for most of you to get the real purpose of the sanitary napkin that masons wear around their waists, anyway?

[7alon]

For some time I have suspected Greer of being part of psyops. His entire character just appears to be the ideal candidate. Not only that, but in another thread I did mention that a perfect psyop would be to round up 'whistleblowers' to follow a guy that discredits them all, by his own unethical actions.

[Omni]

... a perfect psyop would be to round up 'whistleblowers' to follow a guy that discredits them all, by his own unethical actions.

Great analysis. Here is my www.psyop.info (http://www.psyop.info/about) about page for further PSYOP decoding:


psyop.info About

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c6omQJWJOjw/WQf_FgwrwTI/AAAAAAAAGB0/i_qfaej2FkwSo_HsRIZlTR4y2XGNF7zJQCPcB/s200/PSYOP.info-Art.jpg

PSYOP.info is a website produced by myself (Omnisense) to combat the rampant information warfare and mind control programs of the 20th and 21st century. Intelligence agencies around the world are guilty of a treasonous information war against the international population (Especially the CIA). This information war is largely being perpetrated through the use of microwave transmitters cleverly set up to double as cell phone towers. These psychological operations are pervasive and have penetrated every modernized nation's domestic population.

(Bullet Points taken from my Upcoming Book: The Electronic Control Grid)


Objectives of PSYOP:
• Societal Engineering / Population Conditioning / Perception Management
• Predictive programming aimed at behavioral change
• Predictive programming with an intent to manipulate beliefs
• Internet Information War - Obfuscating the Truth
• Information warfare directed at controlling the opposition
• To co-opt the internet based 'truth movement'
• To discredit the truth - To cover up the truth
• Information warfare objectives of marginalizing sensitive information in the public mind
• Set up remote influencing technology proliferation concealing cover stories
• To manipulate the enemy (the civilian population) into fruitless paths
• To create apathy / To suppress effective oppositional activity
• Demographics divided into left & right brain imbalances
• To establish extraterrestrial cover stories to be used for sensitive truths
• Disinform the open minded related to extraterrestrials
• Information warfare aimed at contrasting negatively with deeper truth


PSYOP Technology:
• Directed energy weapons/implants are the physical source of electromagnetic mind control
• Artificial intelligence operates the electromagnetic weaponry
• Remote computerized tracking of targets via remote neural monitoring
• Remote neural monitoring data Ai processed - Thought surveillance analysis
• Ai mapping of all brain waves for strategic warfare versus the global population
• End game virtual reality - Synthetic dream mind control programs
• Exotic Neuroscience - Synthetic signals in the brain (e.g. Neurobody tech)
• The brain is open source to electromagnetic technologies
• Major operations enhanced or carried out by full black project technology suite


Perpetrators:
• A global crime syndicate covertly orchestrates events behind the scenes
• An electronic telepathy cybernetic secret society heads operations
• Intelligence Agencies worldwide - Intelligence & military electronic telepathy networks
• Electronic telepathy provides for generally secure, paperless communications
• The CIA
• The Vatican
• The Pentagon / US Army
• Military Industrial Complex
• Select world leaders & bloodliners
• Mainstream Media
• Israeli Intelligence / Mossad
• British Intelligence / MI5 / MI6
• Select Corporations
• Many more...


Summary:
• Ability to play God with the enemy's mind has been obtained (The population is the enemy)
• An army of unwitting mind control assets is the new age of the infowar
• At this time, the internet population is almost completely unaware of technological psychological operations aimed at their demographic
• New Age psychological operations as a form of engineered mass delusion
• Psychological warfare deployed through mainstream media / Hollywood & beyond
• Information warfare deployed through unwitting alt media mind control assets & beyond
• Psychological operations weaponized against domestic populations
• There are psychological operations for all demographics
• Strategic cover up of conspiracy taking place at all times
• The electronic control grid’s massive scope enables programmable mass delusions
• Smorgasbord of psychological operations via electronic control grid


https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-auZOLxNBlgU/WQqyPoIvTFI/AAAAAAAAGKw/YDYe24o-wNIkwdpTZagXnL003sAqL327gCLcB/s1600/Microwave-Tower_Microwave-Warfare_Omnisense-Neighborhood.png

Source: http://www.psyop.info/p/about.html

[stevcolx]

So if Goode is a Psyop tool and Greer is also a Psyop tool then what is the truth?

How about William Tompkins? Is he a Psyop tool too?

[norman]

Elisa E.: Mind War: Psy-Ops, World-view Warfare, and Targeted Groups

1GjRZyzepFM

Published on May 12, 2017

Emily Moyer, Randy Maugans with MKULTRA survivor, Elisa E., author of "Our Life Beyond MKULTRA"



My biggest takeaway from this chat is that the Corey Goode narrative ( and others ) train us to externalise spiritual aspirations. The very same thing the Catholic Church has been doing.

[TargeT]

So if Goode is a Psyop tool and Greer is also a Psyop tool then what is the truth?

How about William Tompkins? Is he a Psyop tool too?

I'm sure not all of them are psyop tools, there's probably just some plain old megalomaniacs & narcissists there as well ;)

When it comes to SSP, it seems like the vast majority of "whistle blowers" are just "riding the coat tails" of the few that seem possibly valid.

[transiten]

It should be noted that "Gaia" is all over facebook. It always comes up as a suggested page for me. Gaia.tv pushes alot of Wilcox and Corey. Random people I'm friends with on facebook "like" it. So it is being very well funded and pushed hard on social media.

This is a red flag in and of itself in my opinion....

(I've noticed gaia.tv in my FB feed also)

It's "Gaiam TV" and "Wilcock".....

[Innocent Warrior]

It used to be Gaiam TV, it's Gaia now.

Also a lot of ads on YouTube.

[Bill Ryan]

Important. Avalon members, please read this.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94023&p=1152891#post1152891

A summary for other guests, and thanks for bearing with us here. This is about a longstanding, well-respected Avalon member who was reported missing to us by his family last year. They were very concerned, and so were we.

I just heard from him. I asked him what I could report, and he apologized that I should please say very little, though he was physically safe and now with his family again.

I commented:

This underlines to me what kind of world we really do live in, even that of regular Avalon members (so to speak!) who occasionally crash into something very unsavory.

He discovered something — and he has not got his own TV show. Instead, just the opposite: he's been shut down.

Anyone who's been around for a while knows how this really does work, and I've been trying to explain this in my recent Dark Journalist interviews (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97571-Bill-Ryan-Talks-to-Dark-Journalist).

It's not the fault of someone young and inexperienced if they don't realize this. But others, who have been exposed to this kind of material for years, really should understand. Members of the public get punished for spilling deep secrets.

[gord]

"Members of the public get punished for spilling deep secrets."

Unequivocally true.

[Lost N Found]

Not sure if this has been posted but here goes some more. I would think that we all should be able to see all sides of these articles.

http://exopolitics.org/goode-secret-space-program-claims-go-viral-critics-attacks/

Peace

[norman]

"Members of the public get punished for spilling deep secrets."

Unequivocally true.

By this reckoning we might have to take another look at Julian Assange sometime. By my tinglies, something isn't quite right there either.

[TargeT]

By this reckoning we might have to take another look at Julian Assange sometime. By my tinglies, something isn't quite right there either.

And snowden

And manning

My first and most useful rule is this: what EVER gets air time on TV is a part of THEIR program; and what ever gets continual coverage is a major agenda and I try to figure out what's the exact opposite of the message and do that.

The accuracy of this method is astounding.

[Wind]

"Be aware also that there are many false prophets and guides operating in your world. They will suck your energy from you – the energy you call money and will put it to evil ends and give you worthless dross in return."... Said a message 40 years ago.

Will people ever learn? :facepalm:

[Innocent Warrior]

"Members of the public get punished for spilling deep secrets."

Unequivocally true.

By this reckoning we might have to take another look at Julian Assange sometime. By my tinglies, something isn't quite right there either.

Off topic.

Assange could have done anything he wanted, lived the good life, and what did he choose to do and where has it got him? Not the good life and if you disagree then read his psych evaluation.

Ask yourself this, if Assange isn't legit then why does Hillary want to drone him and why haven't they? You could liken Assange's strategy to a game of chess and he has called "check" with his dead man's switch.

Back to topic.

[onawah]

Seriously? What more punishment would Assange, Snowden and Manning have to endure to appear credible then? They are credible, imho, and have the scars to prove it

[TargeT]

Seriously? What more punishment would Assange, Snowden and Manning have to endure to appear credible then? They are credible, imho, and have the scars to prove it

So John Mcain is credible then? "punishment" does not make a message true. And "they" don't "punish" people that leak unwanted data, they have them commit suicide with two bullets in the back of the head and a lack luster investigation with no findings to follow.

Manning is a patsy; I feel bad for her/him.

Snowden and Assange have made out pretty well for whistle blowers that are releasing VAST amounts of information (vast amounts of information that does absolutely ZERO against the government whom they are "trying to expose".. where's the push back from their "leaks"?) Look at what happened to the DNC kid that leaked emails... dead with in days. and there's a LAWSUIT because of what he leaked.. what about snowden and assange? anything? any actionable outcome? or are they just wasting our time and showing us how superior our government is (demoralizing us basically). The entire story around these two is meant to demoralize you, just look at your response above.

There's a pattern that surrounds real whistle blowers, it doesn't surround those two.

Same with Goode, if he was REALLY legit why is he still here? We've seen a few people disappear from this community in questionable ways... but not goode? goode has by far put out more material (a lot of which would be considered at a minimum Top Secret info) and he's still on his own TV show, that tells us something that we shouldn't ignore.

[Omni]

Members of the public get punished for spilling deep secrets.

Here is a list of my own punishments:



Electronic Harassment and Targeting Injustices I have Endured:

• Remote Neural Monitoring Enabled Targeting AI
• Electromagnetic Mind Control
• Countless Directed Energy Weapon Tortures (Dozens of Thousands of Times Since 2007)
• Trauma Based Mind Control
• Torture Every Single Day Since Late 2007 - Countless Psychological Tortures
• Character Assassination - Vicious Discrediting Mind Control - Public Disrepute
• A Labyrinth of Subversive Tactics
• Cloning of the Senses / Torture Through the Senses
• Technological Illusions / Technological Mind Tricks
• Electronic Telepathy / v2k / Microwave Auditory Effect / Microwave Hearing Harassment
• Virtual Reality Tortures - Synthetic Dreams - OBE Tortures
• Neurobody Tortures
• Synthetic Pain Signals
• Impersonation of Demons, Extraterrestrials, Archangels, Jesus, & God via v2k
• Demonic Possession Facades
• AI Automated Torture and v2k Scripts
• v2k Voice Cloning
• Overloading of Memory via v2k
• EEG Cloning
• Emotional Blunting via Electromagnetic Neuroscience
• Depersonalization via Directed Energy Weapon Neuroscience
• Body Control
• Body Language Control / Facial Movement Control
• Forced Speech
• Severe Food Poisoning Symptoms
• Suppression of Personality
• Malicious Character Reorientation
• Thought Sonorization (Training the brain to think in words instead of concepts and images)
• Memory Loss
• Lost Time
• Body Mutilation
• Directed Energy Attacks on my Ribs/Bones
• Stabbing Pains (e.g. In the Eyes or Organs)
• Bone Pain / Spine Pain
• Brain Pains / Headaches / Migraines
• Eye Pains / Involuntary Eye Movement Tortures
• Damage to Eyesight / Fuzzy Eyesight
• Involuntary Body Movement
• Muscle Spasms / Severe Muscle Cramps
• Muscle Tortures / Ripping of Muscles via Directed Energy Weapons
• Tendon and Vein Tortures
• Laser Pain on Bones
• Attack of my Scalp
• Loss of Hair
• Attacks on my Esophagus
• Technologically Induced Unquenchable Hunger
• Severe Shortness of Breath
• Sudden Inability to Breath
• Burning Sensations
• Sudden and Non-Attributable Heart Rate Increases
• Directed Energy Attacks on my Heart
• Profoundly Severe Itches
• Feeling of Brittle or Rubberish Bones
• Illusory Feeling of Broken Bones
• Pain Tolerance Matrix Manipulation
• Torturous Synthetic Emotions (Synthetic Depression, Synthetic Horror, Synthetic Fear, Synthetic Doom Feelings, etc)
• Synthetic Sexual Arousal / Anhedonia
• Spontaneous Fatigue / Lethargy
• Overwhelming Synthetic Apathy at Strategic Times
• Synthetic ADHD Symptoms at Strategic Times
• Implanted Addiction Feelings
• Sleep Deprivation / Electromagnetic Stimulants
• Technological Black Out
• Synthetic Optics
• Torturous Synthetic Tastes + Smells
• Hyper-sensitivity to Light - Light Sensitive Eyes
• Hyper-sensitivity to Sound
• Hyper-sensitivity to Smell
• Hyper-sensitivity to Temperature (Heat/Cold)
• Torturous Cold Sensations / Torturous Heat Sensations
• Anhedonia
• Various Forms of Desensitization
• Negating Awareness of Social Standards & Etiquette
• Technologically Induced Vomiting / Technological Gag Reflex
• Targeting of Lymph Nodes
• Induced Sickness
• States of Being Where All Food and Food Smells are Repulsive
• Sonic Nausea - Sonic Tortures
• Synthetic Claustrophobic Feelings
• Spontaneous Tearing without Emotional Thinking
• Uncontrollable Smiling at Inappropriate Times
• Electromagnetic Mind Control Based Forced Laughing to Things I would not Laugh About
• 3D Sound via Neuroscience Tech
• Auditory Clicks Not Audible to Nearby People
• High Frequency Noises
• Neural Heterodyning (e.g. Lacing Sounds with v2k, Enhancing Pain Signals)
• Subtractive Version of Neural Heterodyning (Removing Frequencies from Audio Cortex Input, Removing Enjoyment Signals from Senses, etc)
• Disrespectful Changes in the Tone of my Internal Voice
• Controlled Decreased Dexterity
• Technologically Induced Loss of Balance
• Technologically Induced Inability to Concentrate
• Electronic Harassment while I produce Music
• Electronic Harassment while I produce Videos
• Electronic Harassment while I do Graphic Design
• Wounds Induced by Directed Energy Weapon Methodology
• Directed Energy Induced Coughing Attacks
• Technology Induced Trance-Like States
• Circadian Rhythm Manipulation
• Extremely Excessive Watering of Mouth via Directed Energy Neuroscience
• Control of Blood Flow to Body Parts
• Head Pressure
• Inner Nose Area Enflamed via Directed Energy to Cause Disruption in Breathing
• Thought Suppression
• Stomach Tortures
• Poisoning
• Threats
• Harassment
• Intimidation
• Denigration
• Isolation
• Gaslighting
• Derivatives of Gaslighting
• Forms of Molestation
• Street Theater
• Thought Broadcasting
• Engineered Accidents
• Coughing up Blood
• Teeth Damage / Synthetic Tooth Pain
• Organ Damage / Synthetic Organ Pain
• Lung Damage / Synthetic Lung Pain
• Strategic Brain Damage (e.g. Memory, Limbic System)
• Cloning Other People’s Mental Flaws to Myself via Electromagnetic Neuroscience
• Some Form of Physics Technology Used to Create Misfortunes for Me
• Directed Energy Weapon Targeting of my Private Parts
• Malicious Body Design
• Malicious & Strategic Inflammation of Bodily Areas
• Arranged Disease
• Dehumanization
• Synthetic Suicide Programming (Which I Resisted and Wouldn’t Kill Myself)
• Drugging
• Synthetic Mind Matrix
• Artificial Tinnitus (As Result of Remote Influencing Technologies)

Karen Stewart knew about NSA 9-11 secrets (http://www.declassifieddocuments.com/2017/02/nsa-whistleblower-karen-melton-stewart.html), now she is being gangstalked and DEW attacked like myself (Although I am not gangstalked).

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"they" don't "punish" people that leak unwanted data, they have them commit suicide with two bullets in the back of the head and a lack luster investigation with no findings to follow.
They have different ways to do it. More than just bullets, that's for sure. Electromagnetic mind control is the ultimate character assassination tool. If nobody listens, they might not be much of a threat.

[TargeT]

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"they" don't "punish" people that leak unwanted data, they have them commit suicide with two bullets in the back of the head and a lack luster investigation with no findings to follow.
They have different ways to do it. More than just bullets, that's for sure. Electromagnetic mind control is the ultimate character assassination tool. If nobody listens, they might not be much of a threat.


My theory:

Just like hypnosis, some people are more susceptible to certain things, others are not.


I cannot be hypnotized, at least not by the 3 people who've tried (2 "entertainers" and one person, I don't remember her deal, some sort of councilor). They all said something similar about how they've seen people that just aren't susceptible. about 5-10% of the population is HIGHLY sensitive to hypnotic suggestion (https://psychcentral.com/lib/all-about-hypnosis-and-hypnotherapy/), I'd guess the inverse is true to (5-10% highly resistant to hypnotic suggestion).


Maybe Assange and Snowden aren't susceptible...

I'd say manning is/was.

[Omni]

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"they" don't "punish" people that leak unwanted data, they have them commit suicide with two bullets in the back of the head and a lack luster investigation with no findings to follow.
They have different ways to do it. More than just bullets, that's for sure. Electromagnetic mind control is the ultimate character assassination tool. If nobody listens, they might not be much of a threat.


My theory:

Just like hypnosis, some people are more susceptible to certain things, others are not.


I cannot be hypnotized, at least not by the 3 people who've tried (2 "entertainers" and one person, I don't remember her deal, some sort of councilor). They all said something similar about how they've seen people that just aren't susceptible. about 5-10% of the population is HIGHLY sensitive to hypnotic suggestion (https://psychcentral.com/lib/all-about-hypnosis-and-hypnotherapy/), I'd guess the inverse is true to (5-10% highly resistant to hypnotic suggestion).


Maybe Assange and Snowden aren't susceptible...

I'd say manning is/was.
I think public domain Science will disprove this in your lifetime. I would bet all cochleas unless damaged can be used with microwave hearing, if they didn't they would not produce sound in the mind. Any brain is electromagnetically susceptible, or the brain would not actually function. It is based on electromagnetics. That is how I understand it anyway. There is a chance I'm wrong but I don't think I am. Time will tell...

I'm not hypnotizable by a person either. I get mind hijacked instead. It isn't really about getting a person to do something with their own volition, it's about forcible mind control.

[Billy]

This is from the Edgar Michell Foundation which I think is worth sharing.

Website. http://www.experiencer.org/the-abduction-experience-a-critical-evaluation-of-the-theory-and-evidence-by-stuart-apelle-ph-d/

Part Quote from here. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1544932118871556&set=a.891495037548604.1073741827.100000643498963&type=3&theater
Reinerio Hernandez
May 1 ·

CHANGING THE NAME OF FREE. The FREE Board of Directors will soon begin debating changing the name of FREE. WHAT DO YOU THINK? The proposal is to replace the term ET in FREE to “Extraordinary” (The Dr. Edgar Mitchell Foundation for Research into Extraordinary Encounters). The main reason for this is that the term ET is associated with the field of Ufology and FREE should not and cannot be associated with Ufology.
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The 3 largest Ufology annual conferences in the US are as follows: 1) The International UFO Conference; 2) the MUFON Conference; and 3) Contact in the Desert.
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Tom Delonge, a rock musician who is not researcher, was recently awarded "Researcher of the Year" by the International UFO Conference. The IUFOC coordinates the largest UFO conference in the world on a yearly basis. Delonge, among so many other crazy statements, has publicly stated that he believes that the CIA has made a deal with the devil to unleash demons on our planet in exchange for advanced ET technology. This is whom Ufology has crowned as "Researcher of the Year.
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This is what Ufology has turned into.
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This year MUFON's annual conference will prominently feature the "Secret Space Program" and feature speakers such as Andrew Bassagio, who claims to have worked with President Barack Obama when they both were teenagers, each taking hundreds of trips to Mars. Also prominently featured at this MUFON conference will be Corey Goode, who on a weekly basis has informed us of his Mars hopping trips since he was recruited by the US military at the age of 17 from high school because of his unique talents. Goode has also spoken about secrets he has learned from military intelligence, of the military bases under Antarctica, of the hundreds of “Super Soldiers” that have died under Antarctica fighting evil reptilians, of his weekly revelations with metaphysician David Wilcox prognosticating humanity’s future and of his association with Mar's hopping cosmonaut Captain Kramer-- the “Evil Alien Assassin”. Both Goode and Bassagio have validated the stories of Ufology hit speaker, Captain Kramer, who claims to have spent 17 years on Mars where his prime objective was to kill thousands of evil reptilians with his special ray gun protecting the US colony on Mars. Both Captain Kramer and Goode began their Mars careers with the US military as 17 year olds straight out of high school and were recruited into the “Secret Space Program” because of their unique skills and talents. I guess this was the ability to “sniff out” evil reptilians. Both Andrew Bassagio and Corey Goode have not only supported, but have now publicly validated, the background and stories of Captain Kramer. Both say that Captain Kramer is the “real deal” and his stories are true.
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This is what Ufology has turned into.
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By the way, the featured speakers at the upcoming Contact in the Desert Ufology conference, a conference with more than 3,000 paid guests at $275 per ticket and much more if you purchase one or more workshops. (George Noory $65; Steven Greer, Corey Goode, David Wilcox are $50 and the workshops with the other 15 speakers are $25 each) This is thus a very lucrative and expensive conferene to hear the scientific Ufology presentations of the prestigious Corey Goode. Also prominently featured is Metaphysician David Wilcox who recently stated these revelations in a recent interview (http://www.theeventchronicle.com/editors-pick/david-wilcock-ancient-ruins-antarctica-announced-new-intel-c2c-show-notes/). Also prominently featured is "Global Alchemist" Laura Eisenhower, who claims to also be part of the Mars Hopping Programs, has visited many miles of underground chambers in Antartica where "Super Soldiers" are fighting evil alien Reptilians. This conference states: "Laura works to free us from the 3-D holographic time-loop, False Archonic systems and the Military Industrial Complex and that "she is considered by many to be one of North America’s leading researchers on Health, Exopolitics, Alchemy, Metaphysics, and Ancient History."
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Once again, this is what Ufology has turned into.

[gord]

This is the book Elise E. reads from by Mark M. Rich, “New World War: Revolutionary Methods for Political Control”.

I have both of Elisa's books and they are excellent.

I bought two of Mark M. Rich's books ("The Hidden Evil: The Financial Elite's Covert War Against The Civilian Population" and "New World War: Revolutionary Methods for Political Control") from Amazon a few years ago. Also excellent.

Mark M. Rich's 4 books are available for free on this page (http://newworldwar.org/update138.htm) of his New World War website.

Back to topic

[Bill Ryan]

This is from the Edgar Michell Foundation which I think is worth sharing.

Website. http://www.experiencer.org/the-abduction-experience-a-critical-evaluation-of-the-theory-and-evidence-by-stuart-apelle-ph-d/

Part Quote from here. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1544932118871556&set=a.891495037548604.1073741827.100000643498963&type=3&theater
Reinerio Hernandez
May 1 ·

CHANGING THE NAME OF FREE. The FREE Board of Directors will soon begin debating changing the name of FREE. WHAT DO YOU THINK? The proposal is to replace the term ET in FREE to “Extraordinary” (The Dr. Edgar Mitchell Foundation for Research into Extraordinary Encounters). The main reason for this is that the term ET is associated with the field of Ufology and FREE should not and cannot be associated with Ufology.
-------------------------------------------------------------
The 3 largest Ufology annual conferences in the US are as follows: 1) The International UFO Conference; 2) the MUFON Conference; and 3) Contact in the Desert.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Tom Delonge, a rock musician who is not researcher, was recently awarded "Researcher of the Year" by the International UFO Conference. The IUFOC coordinates the largest UFO conference in the world on a yearly basis. Delonge, among so many other crazy statements, has publicly stated that he believes that the CIA has made a deal with the devil to unleash demons on our planet in exchange for advanced ET technology. This is whom Ufology has crowned as "Researcher of the Year.
-------------------------------------------------------------
This is what Ufology has turned into.
-------------------------------------------------------------
This year MUFON's annual conference will prominently feature the "Secret Space Program" and feature speakers such as Andrew Bassagio, who claims to have worked with President Barack Obama when they both were teenagers, each taking hundreds of trips to Mars. Also prominently featured at this MUFON conference will be Corey Goode, who on a weekly basis has informed us of his Mars hopping trips since he was recruited by the US military at the age of 17 from high school because of his unique talents. Goode has also spoken about secrets he has learned from military intelligence, of the military bases under Antarctica, of the hundreds of “Super Soldiers” that have died under Antarctica fighting evil reptilians, of his weekly revelations with metaphysician David Wilcox prognosticating humanity’s future and of his association with Mar's hopping cosmonaut Captain Kramer-- the “Evil Alien Assassin”. Both Goode and Bassagio have validated the stories of Ufology hit speaker, Captain Kramer, who claims to have spent 17 years on Mars where his prime objective was to kill thousands of evil reptilians with his special ray gun protecting the US colony on Mars. Both Captain Kramer and Goode began their Mars careers with the US military as 17 year olds straight out of high school and were recruited into the “Secret Space Program” because of their unique skills and talents. I guess this was the ability to “sniff out” evil reptilians. Both Andrew Bassagio and Corey Goode have not only supported, but have now publicly validated, the background and stories of Captain Kramer. Both say that Captain Kramer is the “real deal” and his stories are true.
-------------------------------------------------------------
This is what Ufology has turned into.
-------------------------------------------------------------
By the way, the featured speakers at the upcoming Contact in the Desert Ufology conference, a conference with more than 3,000 paid guests at $275 per ticket and much more if you purchase one or more workshops. (George Noory $65; Steven Greer, Corey Goode, David Wilcox are $50 and the workshops with the other 15 speakers are $25 each) This is thus a very lucrative and expensive conferene to hear the scientific Ufology presentations of the prestigious Corey Goode. Also prominently featured is Metaphysician David Wilcox who recently stated these revelations in a recent interview (http://www.theeventchronicle.com/editors-pick/david-wilcock-ancient-ruins-antarctica-announced-new-intel-c2c-show-notes/). Also prominently featured is "Global Alchemist" Laura Eisenhower, who claims to also be part of the Mars Hopping Programs, has visited many miles of underground chambers in Antartica where "Super Soldiers" are fighting evil alien Reptilians. This conference states: "Laura works to free us from the 3-D holographic time-loop, False Archonic systems and the Military Industrial Complex and that "she is considered by many to be one of North America’s leading researchers on Health, Exopolitics, Alchemy, Metaphysics, and Ancient History."
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Once again, this is what Ufology has turned into.


Quoting this in full. OMG. It's actually quite a serious situation.

Whoever's making the MUFON decisions no longer deserves to be holding that position.

[Kristin]

We are in a crisis here turned into a circus which will discredit the entire movement. This is serious. I would like to encourage ALL RESEARCHERS to create as much verifiable content as possible. To look deeply into issues and to publicly question the game that is being played (which is NO GAME). We are up against truth mixed with fabrication, a well funded psy-op, and the general idea that new creative people who are called into researching these issues will either drop their research or be swayed by the dangerous fantasy that has been laid out before them.

[Innocent Warrior]

This has gone way too far, it's upsetting, I second what Kristin wrote.

I hope FREE doesn't change their name though, it's like giving up and letting them take over. FREE Is academic, brilliant for UFO research, we need more like FREE researching UFOs/contactees/abductees.

[Bill Ryan]

This is serious.

Yes, it really is.

I'd actually like to call on Richard Dolan, Joseph Farrell, Catherine Austin Fitts and Daniel Liszt to make a strong joint statement that's clear and unequivocal. And have them call for a list of on-record names of those in the public arena that support the position.

[TargeT]

We are in a crisis here turned into a circus which will discredit the entire movement. This is serious. I would like to encourage ALL RESEARCHERS to create as much verifiable content as possible. To look deeply into issues and to publicly question the game that is being played (which is NO GAME). We are up against truth mixed with fabrication, a well funded psy-op, and the general idea that new creative people who are called into researching these issues will either drop their research or be swayed by the dangerous fantasy that has been laid out before them.


I got into the habit a few years ago of citing important data, all the time.

Most my posts contain one link or more to show where I got my data from... it seems this is needed now as so many people present ideas as fact when they barely understand the ideas themselves.

I think forums, the "truth community" and especially these UFO conference type events are tempting playgrounds for the ego...

[norman]

Something needs to be stated very clearly and very loud.

The nature of documented bomb proof research is to follow up at the rear of events. It is in no position to win a fight in real time. Well written history is often a comfortable exercise by people who have had no dog in a fight. When stuff is happening fast and coordinated for nefarious reasons, the need for actors willing to speak and act ahead of proof is all there is to oppose complete frauds being committed.

Please indulge me a little in this analogy.

The librarians can come along behind like the broom waggon at the rear of the Tour de France bike race, but the outcome of the race gets decided off the front of the peloton with participants out of the saddle and giving it all they've got, come crash or victory.

To continue a little more with the Tour de France analogy, The team that's out to fool us is lining up sprinters in two groups currently. One group is out ahead with a steady time gap, the other group is sitting tight near the head of the peloton ready to go forward if the leading bunch gets the bonk and collapses back. The Tom Delonge group are saving their legs and topping up on nutrients and talking to the team car for latest tactics and bonk reports.

The serious researchers will eventually log very accurate reports of the events in due course.

[mojo]

Whoever's making the MUFON decisions no longer deserves to be holding that position.

It has been a long held belief that MUFON has been infiltrated in the higher ranks. They have great dedicated field investigators but somewhere in the chain there are planted agents to hide and dismiss important cases. It happened in an important sighting in 1973. Hundreds of people witnessed the sighting myself included. I still have the articles and to make a long story short MUFON investigators could not find anything about the case and finally the librarian helped me gather the info for MUFON. After all said and done they tried to convince me I did not see what what I saw... Instead the investigator was telling me I witnessed a slow moving plane carrying a lit sign.... A Mr Katz wrote in an article about the sighting that government agents contacted him to drop the case he wrote about in an article and was a few miles from where I witnessed it.. It was a very surreal moment in discovering there were people trying to keep a lid on things even years later when reporting it to MUFON in 2002 or so.......

[Chuck732]

It really saddens me to see you come out against someone so hard, I did have respect for you, came here for years before I finally decided to join....did it and now I see this. Your agenda is pretty obvious as well, I check out David's Blog at Divine Cosmos as well...the comments section had EVERY comment downvoted many many times...except one...the comment to the link of the video with you and the Dark Journalist slamming Corey...80+ up votes. Sad..so sad, immature, low...I really thought you had more integrity than this. I wish to have my membership here rescinded as I will not be back, I like to discern from myself, I don't need anyone telling me who to believe or not to believe, the drama is childish and self serving, I wish you all well and hopefully someday you get along and find some common ground. But for now, I'll find my "truth" elsewhere.

[Flash]

Lies have to be named. It is the absence of spelling out the lies at every level that makes us complicit with it.

Your decision of not looking at lies for what they are makes you complicit. This is not integrity at all but lack of backbone, making you complicit with lies.

And Bill has no responsibilities for anyone voting anything... I personally never even looked at votes or votings.. did not even cross my mind. Why did it cross yours?


It really saddens me to see you come out against someone so hard, I did have respect for you, came here for years before I finally decided to join....did it and now I see this. Your agenda is pretty obvious as well, I check out David's Blog at Divine Cosmos as well...the comments section had EVERY comment downvoted many many times...except one...the comment to the link of the video with you and the Dark Journalist slamming Corey...80+ up votes. Sad..so sad, immature, low...I really thought you had more integrity than this. I wish to have my membership here rescinded as I will not be back, I like to discern from myself, I don't need anyone telling me who to believe or not to believe, the drama is childish and self serving, I wish you all well and hopefully someday you get along and find some common ground. But for now, I'll find my "truth" elsewhere.

[Innocent Warrior]

I check out David's Blog at Divine Cosmos as well...the comments section had EVERY comment downvoted many many times...except one...the comment to the link of the video with you and the Dark Journalist slamming Corey...80+ up votes.

Encouraging news, thanks for sharing.

How many times does Bill have to say this isn't about being against Corey, or anyone else for that matter, this is about the truth.

[Fairy Friend]

I am curious. Corey Goode made claims that he was an Empath and a Precog so is there any evidence to those claims. That sounds like one of the reasons he was 'chosen' for the SSP in the first place. So has people said things like 'He knew I was thinking about him and called me' or 'he healed me' or 'He could sense I needed to talk' as examples. Proof he's an empath. He found a lost child maybe. Or any predictions made that have actually come true? Earthquakes, disasters, Trump will win, winning lottery numbers, that kind of thing. The little I have heard it seems that doesn't really come up.

[LEGOWehrmacht]

Hi,

I agree with your posts Flash and Rachel.
Essentially, Corey Goode's tale is Disney film "The Navigator" with some outrageous and previously unknown alien type added in to the mix.
Time reversal and being replaced like only 20 seconds has passed, if you remember?
;)

[Bill Ryan]

I am curious. Corey Goode made claims that he was an Empath and a Precog so is there any evidence to those claims. That sounds like one of the reasons he was 'chosen' for the SSP in the first place. So has people said things like 'He knew I was thinking about him and called me' or 'he healed me' or 'He could sense I needed to talk' as examples. Proof he's an empath. He found a lost child maybe. Or any predictions made that have actually come true? Earthquakes, disasters, Trump will win, winning lottery numbers, that kind of thing. The little I have heard it seems that doesn't really come up.

Absolutely no evidence at all that I've ever been made aware of, including during the nearly 3 years he was on the forum from Jan 2012 - Dec 2014.

[jocke]

After having watched all the cosmic disclosure episodes there was a problem with Coreys testimony. All his terminology and philosophy was that of a person who's done years of research with-in the alternative community; rather than somebody who came from the secret space programs point of view

[UfonautRadio]

He was on fade to black last night. The tougher questions regarding proof of any kind were easily shrugged off. None of the real claims made here regarding background, work experience, were discussed

[Bill Ryan]

He was on fade to black last night. The tougher questions regarding proof of any kind were easily shrugged off. None of the real claims made here regarding background, work experience, were discussed

Interesting. Jimmy Church is very much in the entertainment and ratings business, and is also contracted to Coast to Coast. He's a showman, and doesn't ask tough questions.

Jimmy interviewed Corey before, and that's discussed here:


Jimmy Church w/ Corey Goode, Joseph Farrell and Richard Dolan: Secret Space Program (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89709-Jimmy-Church-w-Corey-Goode-Joseph-Farrell-and-Richard-Dolan-Secret-Space-Program)

[uzn]

It all centered around Corey, not the SSP or the Moonbases or the blue Orbs neither a growing pile of Evidence that is being collected. I might be wrong here but it has the smell and feel of a Sect / Religion. Thats ok by me, if he wants to start a cult, why not. But what´s not ok for me is the labeling of Truth and Research. He should call it that it is, unproven Theory, Fantasy or Religion or somewhere close there.
I am starting to see similarities between the Goode/Sphere Being Alliance and Hubbard/Scientology. Both started out as fictional writers that believe in Aliens and Ufos. ;)

Just as a Little gag watch the Trailer I posted underneath and Exchange every Name you hear with Corey Goode and whenever you hear or see Scientology replace it with Sphere Being Alliance. It fits quite well ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-9qUjE40wM

[p+52]

He was on fade to black last night. The tougher questions regarding proof of any kind were easily shrugged off. None of the real claims made here regarding background, work experience, were discussed

Interesting. Jimmy Church is very much in the entertainment and ratings business, and is also contracted to Coast to Coast. He's a showman, and doesn't ask tough questions.

Jimmy interviewed Corey before, and that's discussed here:


Jimmy Church w/ Corey Goode, Joseph Farrell and Richard Dolan: Secret Space Program (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89709-Jimmy-Church-w-Corey-Goode-Joseph-Farrell-and-Richard-Dolan-Secret-Space-Program)


I agree. I like his show and will continue to listen, but a real sense of wanting to stay buddy buddy. Same with his interview with Greer. This is a problem because Jimmy (like a lot of podcasters, etc) is not a researcher, nor journalist who may hold a sources feet to the fire.

[norman]

He was on fade to black last night. The tougher questions regarding proof of any kind were easily shrugged off. None of the real claims made here regarding background, work experience, were discussed

Interesting. Jimmy Church is very much in the entertainment and ratings business, and is also contracted to Coast to Coast. He's a showman, and doesn't ask tough questions.

Jimmy interviewed Corey before, and that's discussed here:



Jimmy Church w/ Corey Goode, Joseph Farrell and Richard Dolan: Secret Space Program (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89709-Jimmy-Church-w-Corey-Goode-Joseph-Farrell-and-Richard-Dolan-Secret-Space-Program)



I agree. I like his show and will continue to listen, but a real sense of wanting to stay buddy buddy. Same with his interview with Greer. This is a problem because Jimmy (like a lot of podcasters, etc) is not a researcher, nor journalist who may hold a sources feet to the fire.

Jimmy Church, David Wilcock and Corey Goode are all mates. For Church to do an interview with Corey Goode at this time is only surprising in how it smokes out who Church really is. I thought he was a smarter operator than that.

All roads lead to GAIA, it seems, and there is an especially well trodden one from LA.

[Jake]

I want to say thank you to all that have commented.. This will likely be my final statement on the matter.

Corey was a friend...

My biggest takeaway from all of this is a compare and contrast of philosophy between 'personal sovereignty', and the 'Savior/Flock' mentality... I have said it before, I'll say it again,, the age of worship is Over.. What We are dealing with is its hangover...

I refused money for my book... I refuse money for my wee seminars... I have refused a lot in my commitment to MY philosophy... MY goal has always been to help others..

I had a path forward with regards 'Branding' my work..

I couldn't take it seriously..

I can't change the world! But I can change mine... if that is true for me, then it is true for you too... In my craft,, I have seen many-an-amazing thing or two... it hasn't changed the world, but it has changed mine..

To My Soul,, EVERYTHING that I have ever known, I give freely,, naked and unashamed!!! To be personally sovereign (to me) means to Forget myself,, I am free... I only want for others,,, the same...

I can remember when my Brother Bear shared this philosophy... What has become of him is a comic book, a beer mug a liquor flask, a make-up person, a wardrobe person, a Donate Button, PR people,, studio appearances,,, and yes,,, a savior with a flock,,, NONE of which has yet to grasp an idea of personal sovereignty...

(I am from the Bird Clan,, (we are flyers... lol...))

I would train a thousand people to project beyond thier physical bodies... Because then there would be a thousand people to teach a thousand more... than we ALL can see for ourselves the many amazing things....

Corey and David will have you all begging and worshipping and feeding from the palms of their hands... week after week, episode after episode..

And I have seen/heard both of them speak about sovereignty...

THAT is my litmus test.. do they promote personal sovereignty,, or do they promote the 'savior/flock' mentality... Do they really want you to be free and sovereign,, or would they rather a PayPal donation...

I do not have the luxury of sitting on the fence here...

Love to all..
Jake

[norman]

So, the big topic is UNITY.

Weaponised STUPID goes viral like never before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F7hFDhuPcA

The Fade to Black interview with Corey


edit:

I think we can assume Project Bluebeam, as we used to imagine it, has been replaced by something that the original planners couldn't have thought of before all this hand held tech etc became so successful.

[Chester]

Both Goode and Basagio have validated the stories of Ufology hit speaker, Captain Kramer, who claims to have spent 17 years on Mars where his prime objective was to kill thousands of evil reptilians with his special ray gun protecting the US colony on Mars. Both Captain Kramer and Goode began their Mars careers with the US military as 17 year olds straight out of high school and were recruited into the “Secret Space Program” because of their unique skills and talents.

If this is true... that Goode has "validated" the stories of Captain Kramer, then Corey Goode, once again has engaged in bold faced lying.

Because, I, personally have caught Corey Goode in several lies... this is far too many to simply be "mistakes" and so Corey Goode is either a sociopathic pathological liar or his mind has been totally taken control over by one or more unseen/unknown third parties and the only dilemma I find myself in is deciding which could be worse.

I posted about this a week or so back right here -
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1151216&viewfull=1#post1151216

Folks... he is a pathological liar. He plans what he makes up, he rehearses what he makes up, probably rehearses with Wilcock and he makes stuff up on the spot on the fly and he doesn't care that tomorrow he says something that makes either what he said before a flat out lie or what he is now saying to be a flat out lie.

Get a clue folks because this guy is also not alone and anyone who buys into this crap... if you don't care enough about yourself as to how you are harming yourself, consider how you are harming loved ones and friends based on your assimilation of these lies into your operational world view.

[PurpleLama]

My personal assessment is that he is a psychopathic, narcissistic troll.... I mean, he is a practiced and coached liar and story teller. I believe he is not messed with by any outside force, but rather he is motivated by money.


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Anybody can join this group on the private side, and if I was trying to establish some sort of legitimacy I might would join just so I could leverage my membership to gain some credibility. One does not have to have any real contact with intelligence to come in on the private side. So, another part of the DouchET back story that falls apart under scrutiny.

I am also quite dubious to the fact that the screen shot from Shane Bales is used as some sort of evidence one way or another, in 2015 I thought, and I still think, that the only thing proven was that one bull****ter was trying to bull **** another bull****ter. If either one has any intelligence connections, it is on the social engineering side of things, and not on the whistle blowing "in the know" side of things.

[TargeT]

I am also quite dubious to the fact that the screen shot from Shane Bales is used as some sort of evidence one way or another, in 2015 I thought, and I still think, that the only thing proven was that one bull****ter was trying to bull **** another bull****ter. If either one has any intelligence connections, it is on the social engineering side of things, and not on the whistle blowing "in the know" side of things.

This is also my feeling... Two idiots trying to impress each other. The feed back loop from two social manipulators is always an interesting thing to watch (Ahem... just watch Wilcock and Goode go at it.. .haha)

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, Jake, for what you wrote. Loved the Savior/Flock inference! It is SO true! That is what keeps happening over & over with our human race. It is supposed to be about Personal Sovereignty....YES!! :highfive:

[norman]

I'm kind of getting bored with just watching Goode. It's like watching a President when we should be focused on who's pulling his strings and orchestrating a whole slew of stuff instead.

My mind is scanning the scenario and seeing all sorts of aspects of something that includes the hybrids, the collapse of the liberal agenda in the US, the collapse of the MSM credibility, the strange unification of several big names in the field of UFO/ET 'talk' (I won't call it research), and on and on, more coming to light every few hours.

It's so crafty I have to assume that some kind of AI has done the initial planning.

Didn't I read here somewhere that there's a plan for a new world religion to be up and running by late 2017 ? if so, it looks like they are pretty much on target.

[TargeT]

WmhFYQnlKB4

Yep, this is exactly what I expected from this youngman... too bad, I hope he can still turn it around.

[PurpleLama]

"All he wants is to love and be loved, that's what I feel from him."

Thanks, I can turn it off and pay no further attention to this guy.

[TargeT]

"All he wants is to love and be loved, that's what I feel from him."

Thanks, I can turn it off and pay no further attention to this guy.

You should have kept going until he got to the "evidence" part... that was some impressive mental tap-dancing...

I've changed my opinion from "new and reckless" to "dangerously supporting clearly false narratives" (this isn't the first, just hte last straw).... unsubscribed.



@ 14:55 he says "I am on a path" and sort of 'unconsciously' underlines "save us".... very telling imo.. this guy is wearing the mantel of the savior archetype and is clueless to its influence.

[araucaria]

In my experience, discussion of a dysfunctional individual which starts out serving an important and useful purpose, tends to go on and on with little or no disagreement and eventually round in circles until someone says, Why are we still discussing this person? And then it might... carry on some more. This morbid fascination may itself be a useful part of the process, but there comes a moment, I think, when it yields diminishing returns and it is time to stop – safe in the knowledge that there will be another time, and another...

While the above has absolutely nothing to say about the content or value of this thread, or how much longer it should/will last, it is worth remembering how these discussions usually pan out.

[Chester]

In my experience, discussion of a dysfunctional individual which starts out serving an important and useful purpose, tends to go on and on with little or no disagreement and eventually round in circles until someone says, Why are we still discussing this person? And then it might... carry on some more. This morbid fascination may itself be a useful part of the process, but there comes a moment, I think, when it yields diminishing returns and it is time to stop – safe in the knowledge that there will be another time, and another...

While the above has absolutely nothing to say about the content or value of this thread, or how much longer it should/will last, it is worth remembering how these discussions usually pan out.

Hi araucaria. In my case it is truly unproductive personally for me to continue to even see this thread. Uggghhhh.

I wish there was a way someone could "self ban" from even seeing a thread in the menus.

Anyways, because I do have many more important things to focus on, I will muster some discipline and leave this thread. (We shall see if I actually can).

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My personal assessment is that he is a psychopathic, narcissistic troll.... I mean, he is a practiced and coached liar and story teller. I believe he is not messed with by any outside force, but rather he is motivated by money.


InfraGard is a partnership between the FBI and members of the private sector. The InfraGard program provides a vehicle for seamless public-private collaboration with government that expedites the timely exchange of information and promotes mutual learning opportunities relevant to the protection of Critical Infrastructure. With thousands of vetted members nationally, InfraGard's membership includes business executives, entrepreneurs, military and government officials, computer professionals, academia and state and local law enforcement; each dedicated to contributing industry specific insight and advancing national security.

Anybody can join this group on the private side, and if I was trying to establish some sort of legitimacy I might would join just so I could leverage my membership to gain some credibility. One does not have to have any real contact with intelligence to come in on the private side. So, another part of the DouchET back story that falls apart under scrutiny.

I am also quite dubious to the fact that the screen shot from Shane Bales is used as some sort of evidence one way or another, in 2015 I thought, and I still think, that the only thing proven was that one bull****ter was trying to bull **** another bull****ter. If either one has any intelligence connections, it is on the social engineering side of things, and not on the whistle blowing "in the know" side of things.

and I must add that I put most of my money on this very same assessment - thanks PL for the well stated articulation.

[TargeT]

I will muster some discipline and leave this thread. (We shall see if I actually can).


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hahaha, that was quick.

[Chester]

(We shall see if I actually can).[COLOR="red"]


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hahaha, that was quick.

no no... I meant officially starting now. :ROFL:

[Mike]

WmhFYQnlKB4

Yep, this is exactly what I expected from this youngman... too bad, I hope he can still turn it around.



This is a windy, pointless, 18 minute justification for working with a guy he knows is full of sh!t.

(...i instantly recognized this because i too have given windy, pointless justifications for things i also knew were nonsense. its a very human thing to do)

Im not ready to give up on him yet tho. Lets see if he turns it around in the future.

[Wind]

Being naive and gullible... Either we grow out of it or we don't. Been there, done that. Hope that guy will too, because there are already too many frauds out there leading the gullible into oblivion.

[Omni]

WmhFYQnlKB4

Yep, this is exactly what I expected from this youngman... too bad, I hope he can still turn it around.

I couldn't stomach the video, but his quote by Jung is pretty amazing.

"Thinking is difficult, that's why most people judge." ~Carl Jung

[TargeT]

I couldn't stomach the video, but his quote by Jung is pretty amazing.

"Thinking is difficult, that's why most people judge." ~Carl Jung

By amazing,,, you mean Ironic as hell? (as he goes on to categorize everyone into two camps... hahaha.. I thought that part was particularly fun to watch.. I love people that are so unself aware they do things like this)

[Callista]

I really like this young man's enthusiasm and am watching with interest as he draws to himself the existential crises he needs to produce within him the wisdom he is searching.

[Star Tsar]

OffPlanet Radio

Christine Anderson | The Evolution Of Corey Goode

Published 18th May 2017

Off-Planet Radio goes to the primary source for a deep look into the emergence of an alternative media"cult figure" by way of A conversation with Christine Anderson, Who was an admin on the Project Avalon Forum during the time the person now known as Corey Goode was emerging.

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[Bill Ryan]

OffPlanet Radio
Christine Anderson | The Evolution Of Corey Goode

Well, kudos to Christine for going on record about Corey. (For those new to this saga, she was the first person to interview him, at his house in Dallas in Sept-Oct 2014.) I'll be interested to see what she shares.

Christine continued to support Corey, for several months after she left the Avalon mods team in Jan 2015. But since then — kudos to her again — she has changed her views 180º.

[sunwings]

OffPlanet Radio

Christine Anderson | The Evolution Of Corey Goode

Published 18th May 2017

Off-Planet Radio goes to the primary source for a deep look into the emergence of an alternative media"cult figure" by way of A conversation with Christine Anderson, Who was an admin on the Project Avalon Forum during the time the person now known as Corey Goode was emerging.

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Around the Twenty minute mark it gets very interesting! Highly Recommended listening.

[Bill Ryan]

Well, the other mods listened to it last night, getting increasingly incensed as they did so. :bigsmile: They knew exactly what happened… they were there.

Daniel Liszt (the Dark Journalist) is publishing his Part 3 tomorrow, and asked me if I wanted to add a response in there. I might dub in 30-60 seconds thanking her for coming forward, because more people need to, and I'd encourage others to, as well. About other faux whistleblowers, too, because Corey's not just the only one in the circuit.

But this is not the Jerry Springer show here. :) Let’s just say that a lot happened back then, much of which Christine was careful to omit. She used the platform to make herself try to sound good, but that may not have worked very well. It was a missed opportunity for her... she could have taken the high road.

:focus:

[Callista]

Can someone explain the weird noise that comes in at the 32 min mark? and the continuing whispering going on in the background for a few minutes after. Its definitely NOT a truck going by.

[Bill Ryan]

thanking her for coming forward, because more people need to, and I'd encourage others to, as well. About other faux whistleblowers, too, because Corey's not just the only one in the circuit.
Richard Dolan is giving a 1 hr 45 min presentation tomorrow morning at Contact in the Desert (http://contactinthedesert.com/schedule), on Media Deception and UFOs. Little birdies tell me that the 'media deception' may also include our own media, not just the mainstream. I'd certainly love to be there... maybe other Avalon members will be.

As I've mentioned elsewhere (Personality-marketing, in the alternative media (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97487-Personality-marketing-in-the-alternative-media)), the alternative media is increasingly mirroring the mainstream not only in its style, but also in its layers of manipulation, deception, and (very likely) infiltration.

[Cristian]

Can someone explain the weird noise that comes in at the 32 min mark? and the continuing whispering going on in the background for a few minutes after. Its definitely NOT a truck going by.

It's a truck going by. :)

[Callista]

I am having trouble with this video - I am hearing the words but the FEELING I am getting is often quite the opposite of what the words are saying. The truth is being compromised here. And, you need to know, those noises were NOT truck noises - they were not nice, not at all.

[sunwings]

I cannot help but feel Corey Goode has been used as a Trojan horse. The whole Corey Goode affair seemed to caused major ripples on this Forum. There had to have been large interference by some unfriendly groups.

Now the Trojan horse has been wheeled out to the mass media.

I am trying not to make any assumptions here but you could throw Simon Parkes into the mix, where someone gets notoriety on this forum only to be exposed later on.


Christine and Randy touch on this at the end of the conversation. And they ask who will be next?

[Callista]

The next one will be Jordan Sather if he isnt careful. Sather has a huge following amongst the younger set and that is what they are targeting with their comic books etc and soon Corey will be retired in favour of a new more marketable product.

[Cristian]

Callista,

I respect your opinion of what truth is or isn't .

However I don't think you are aware of Mexican semi trucks air brakes. Furthermore I don't think you realize how sound propagates and distorts. I can tell you for sure that was a truck (or more) going by because I know how that sounds in the exact location the interview was recorded.

[Callista]

Thank you Cristian for that information.

[Shadowself]

Wow,

I've been struggling to NOT respond to this thread but am unable to hold myself any longer.

Corey Goode is morally bankrupt.

Since when did the disclosure of alien life and UFO's depend on "spirituality" and "intuitive empaths"? An "intuitive empath" could not fathom what is going on in the arena of black projects and disclosure. Period. These so called goody two shoes blue avians if they exist and are sooooooo goooooode.....BS!

So just put me to sleep so I don't have to face the damned truth right?

Oh...oh...oh...right...we all have reptilian in us....and such and such. So this makes the narrative viable and real. The inner workings of the mind is where all this comes from? Show me the proof. Show me where all this psycho babble is in any way the real tangible truth.

What does the inner working of someones mind have to do with the presence of UFO's and government cover-ups.

I'm going to give you a scenario: A government cover-up of a black project would go so far as to break the neck of 6 month old baby in order to cover up a program. This 6 month old baby and mother were coerced to cover up what would become a legal proceeding and court case that ended up in 3 major news papers that left a paper trail that leads to...a rash of deaths to keep that secret and it's heavily military involved.

Wrap your mind around that while blue avains swim in your head Corey. The United States government will stop at nothing and I mean nothing to keep their dirty secrets. Yours is nothing but BS!

This is not some spiritual program...it's filthy. The sooner people come down to reality and accept that full disclosure would include such filth the sooner we can all get to the truth. This is not some spiritual journey of the mind...it's real and it's happening and they don't want you to know the lengths they go to to keep their filthy secrets.

Christine...this is not some spiritual journey...this is real and physical and happening as we speak.

I can't stomach anymore of the speculation that to disclose is some spiritual journey....because it's simply not. I've tried to see it that way and it's far from the reality of what is truth in the field of UFO's and disclosure projects. Because you wish it to be so does not make it so.

There....I've said my peace. This is no game....Just ask the 6 month old baby with the broken neck who died a painful death. Oh wait...you can't...she's dead!

[Foxie Loxie]

I can only say that I KNOW the positive input Avalon has had in my own life as I have been seeking answers for what has occurred during the time span of this lifetime! I did get the feeling that Christine was just trying to "get back" at Bill & I am of the opinion that whatever happened between the two of them is a very private & personal matter & should be dealt with in a private & personal manner; not to be shared in a public way. I DO applaud Bill for coming forward about this whole CG matter. I gave it a wide berth & did not bother reading all the posts as I got Bad Vibes immediately! :rolleyes: Each of us "supports" what we feel to be "true", I'm sure! Keep up the good work, Bill! :highfive:

What we have seen here has been going on in religious communities for eons, & still goes on. This is one "sucker" who no longer bites on the personality cult program having been married to one & seeing how they operate! :ROFL:

[norman]

WAW, Shadowself. your post should be a 20 foot poster over the car park at Contact In The Desert this weekend.

[Shadowself]

WAW, Shadowself. your post should be a 20 foot poster over the car park at Contact In The Desert this weekend.

Thanks Norman.

These things I know to be true. What I said is not at all made up and can easily be verified as a cover-up and hoax. I simply cannot speak of it or show you the proof which is in fact documented and find-able... which brings us back to what Bill said of people who get killed and threatened who actually do have supporting evidence. This is the first time I've spoken of a child involved but believe me it's true and verifiable. And I have the supporting documents that answer the questions that arose in the trials that tried so hard to cover it up. The major player in that trial...committed suicide....or so they claimed...but was found sending presents to another child some three years after his suicide. That is all I will say on this as I cannot say anymore.

They don't want you to know they will stop at nothing short of murder to keep this secret.

Blue Avains are far from what is really going on. Fact. It should be a moral crime to relate such nonsense on a subject that is surrounded in the filth I speak of. Step aside Corey and David...you couldn't handle the damned truth.

[TargeT]

Hold on a second...


She used the platform to make herself try to sound good,

But so did you, you leaned heavily on the fact that you are an experienced researcher and you and those like you had something to offer to new researchers to the field, that discernment is hard and you know how to do it and that's why your exposing Corey, but that is sort of disingenuous with out mentioning Serpo, Charles, Inelia, Shane the Ruiner etc...

I feel like you omitted a few things as well during your interview, things I feel are extremely important... If you are to be held up as the pinnacle of valid research, then at least admit that there ARE pitfalls that are very difficult to avoid, even for you.


These are humans we are dealing with here, no one is perfect, we all miss things at times & I think it's important to let that be known.. it's OK to make a mistake, the mistake doesn't define you, how you deal with it does.

[Bill Ryan]

I feel like you omitted a few things as well during your interview

Talk to Daniel! :)

Our initial recording lasted for 4 hours 20 mins, with a little more later that was inserted into the final cut. I talked about everything you might think of.

He did the editing. It was not a live show.

[TargeT]

He did the editing. It was not a live show.

Very true, the editor very possibly omitted things.

IMO, this is potentially hazardous,, the internet is full of intelligent people and some of them are willing to do back checks.. stuff like this can come out as "gotcha" derailing "findings" later; we've seen it before.

I for one cringe when a topic is very one sided, I know we are all humans and fallible, to present it that way can be problematic.

[Omni]

An "intuitive empath" could not fathom what is going on in the arena of black projects and disclosure.
This has been my experiences too. The New Agey types are not on the mark with too much other than ETs exist and reincarnation is real IMO. If you learn any extremely sensitive truth you will be assaulted, discredited, or killed. I have been threatened, tortured, mind controlled, and had my soul viciously assaulted with end game technology. Lately they are doing things like this (A quote from my upcoming book):


“After they orchestrate an attack they typically hit me with forcible electromagnetic
mind control automating my reaction, then i can get brain wave clones of other
people in situations like being bullied or abused.” ~Targeted Individual Omnisense

I would like to note, that murder is not their only option. For example they can mind control someone like myself to say something outlandish, force me to post something in text, force me to say all sorts of things if I speak with my voice. And all of this will be used against me. I have been watching my own discrediting and faux-debunking upcoming from CIA shills while they unlaid it's plans. I have posted it to Avalon only to get met with new age nonsense about how we create our reality or whatever was said (Can't quite remember)...

For example, I would hope some posters on Avalon would know I have been talking about AI and electromagnetic mind control on this forum since about 2011(since i signed up basically). I am now being accused of plagiarizing David Icke about things like cloning the senses and AI by CIA shills on the internet. They like to design things that are absurd in an offensive way to create an emotional reaction where they can further discredit you... Killing would not give them the opportunity to use their obscene arsenal of dirty tactics. It is possible to give sensitive information and not be killed. They have tactics like discrediting etc to use too. Although, killing is probably the most traditionally potent tactic used, I agree with that part.


Because you wish it to be so does not make it so.

They have people believing that just because they believe it, reality has mechanics that make it true. Some think meditating will change the state of earthly psychopaths. Others are in a state of thinking the truth doesn't even exist. Others think the entirety of reality is an illusion. Others think the entirety of the universe was created by some evil god and it's an enslavement construct (the universe is quite large). They have woven a complex new age web of deceptions. I'm always glad when I see a post like yours that cuts through the BS.

[Bill Ryan]

He did the editing. It was not a live show.

Very true, the editor very possibly omitted things.

IMO, this is potentially hazardous,, the internet is full of intelligent people and some of them are willing to do back checks.. stuff like this can come out as "gotcha" derailing "findings" later; we've seen it before.

I for one cringe when a topic is very one sided, I know we are all humans and fallible, to present it that way can be problematic.

I do completely agree. :highfive:

I'm thinking of supplementing all this with some more personal thoughts and commentary, that won't focus on Corey. He's a case study, for sure, but there's a huge wider issue that's far more important. I tabled some of those questions here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97571-Bill-Ryan-Talks-to-Dark-Journalist&p=1153650&viewfull=1#post1153650).


Why is this problem apparently increasing?
Are there any lessons from the history of the subject?
What is the role of monetization of websites and YouTube?
What's the level of interference from the agencies?
Can any standards be applied/ encouraged? Who has responsibility to do that?
Why does the audience seem so gullible? Has anything changed over the years?
Are people increasingly relying on their personal communications technology to think for them?
Do people read much any more? What's the attention span of most people these days?
Is this all part of a bigger wave of change, that may not be a good thing?

There's always the danger here of descending into the petty and personal, which is always what our enemies out there want us to do — or be seen to be doing.

Re other issues that you mentioned (and more besides), there are a bunch of long stories there. They'd take 14 hours to recount, not 4. :) (Let alone just 1 or 2.)

Perception is always the issue. All media spinmasters know this. Re Serpo, Inelia, Charles, Shane, I actually made few mistakes. But many out there have made a bunch of assumptions, not knowing all the information.

One serious one (which you won't imagine), I did make, when I ignored a very specific piece of strong advice that Charles gave me about another person, thinking I knew better. He asked me to trust what he was saying. He was right, and I was wrong.

If he's reading this (which is unlikely!) he may already know that I totally acknowledge this, and have already apologized to him. In doing that, I dishonored him, although that was never my intention. There are certain codes of honor which I thought I understood, but in retrospect, I learned much more about later, rather the hard way.

:focus:

[TargeT]

I'm thinking of supplementing all this with some more personal thoughts and commentary, that won't focus on Corey.
There's always the danger here of descending into the petty and personal, which is always what our enemies out there want us to do — or be seen to be doing.

I think you should more than "think about it" the conversation needs to be steered AWAY from personalities and changed to a more general "community" discussion.. the case studies are important but they can quickly spiral into BS and derail an important discussion.


Re other issues that you mentioned (and more besides), there are a bunch of long stories there. They'd take 14 hours to recount, not 4. :) (Let alone just 1 or 2.)


Shifting the conversation to broader coverage will fix this, and all that other stuff can be ignored, because its not relevant to the over all issues that face the entire community. That way the personalities don't matter, nor does the history. I think this is needed and quickly to stop this conversation from focusing overly on you or corey or any of the history attached.

What happens now is all that matters, the past shouldn't be the focus.


This is a community topic, Corey was just a useful example, we need to shift this away from him & (and you).... And I highly suggest to strike while the "iron is hot" as it were, to help dissuade this conversation from being stuck in the weeds.

[Bill Ryan]

I'm thinking of supplementing all this with some more personal thoughts and commentary, that won't focus on Corey.
There's always the danger here of descending into the petty and personal, which is always what our enemies out there want us to do — or be seen to be doing.

I think you should more than "think about it" the conversation needs to be steered AWAY from personalities and changed to a more general "community" discussion.. the case studies are important but they can quickly spiral into BS and derail an important discussion.


Re other issues that you mentioned (and more besides), there are a bunch of long stories there. They'd take 14 hours to recount, not 4. :) (Let alone just 1 or 2.)


Shifting the conversation to broader coverage will fix this, and all that other stuff can be ignored, because its not relevant to the over all issues that face the entire community. That way the personalities don't matter, nor does the history. I think this is needed and quickly to stop this conversation from focusing overly on you or corey or any of the history attached.

What happens now is all that matters, the past shouldn't be the focus.

This is a community topic, Corey was just a useful example, we need to shift this away from him & (and you).... And I highly suggest to strike while the "iron is hot" as it were, to help dissuade this conversation from being stuck in the weeds.

Yes, I agree with every word you wrote. :thumbsup:

"Thinking about it" was understated. I'm planning it, and have another recorded, high-level conversation with another well-known person already agreed — next week, probably — that will focus 100.0% on the bigger issues.

This is something that I'm very much looking forward to. (And that's another understatement. :) )

[Hym]

For uhhMmmmm(forum)....Hmmm? We pause, I hope we Pause, listen, discern and allow something worthwhile to share if we are going to impress an idea through our fingertips. That gives me the impetus and inspiration to contemplate, but for whoMmmm?

If I had those experiences that some claim to have that are so far out of the norm I sure wouldn't share them here. I wouldn't share, not because of the nature or importance I'd feel in which they would benefit others, but for the tremendous manipulation even facts would undergo. Critical input based on facts is necessary for growth, especially if it comes from an independent source, but manipulation of facts is quite the opposite. If I did disclose, what would the benefit be to others? It is a forum after all.

Just the existence of Avalon, and all other popular means of communication, brings it under a definite amount of recording and interaction from those who have agendas and darkness to protect. Does anyone here have any doubt why Bill actively chose, among other reasons, not to give credence to a disinfo narrative by letting the forum shake it out on it's own? Bless him for his perceptive silences, which most likely contain much more than we can imagine.

There are many degrees, Phd's, multiplied of those who have not exposed their experiences, who could do so but only at the peril or certainty of losing their lives. I tend to meet them and will never hear their stories because I don't want to, I don't need to and I won't allow it. I'm not here for that. Most of those details are not sentient anyway. (Surely factual but not many are living beings.) I don't need the validation or the details, as I know them as much as anyone with discernment does and I doubt they would add to the color or meaning of my existence, only taking away from the beauty to engage and marvel in, to create it.

For me and many I know the personal, soul's truth of living a vibrant and engaging life far outweighs even any valid secret they could put out there, because they know that 'out there' is not in here where the dynamic of life has it's greatest accounting. You just don't hear from them, us, often. In case ya'll forgot that from your childhood, it is exactly why the darkness takes so much effort in diverting you from your real worth. It is their calling from the depths of an empty heart. It is also our reminder to live within the active interaction the world provides and the ones you share.

We all know some of those things that are hidden, merely by the herculean efforts it takes to cover them up and the same effort to invent those closely aligned stories that have patsies who die for nothing but dark profit to support them. That's more than enough for me. Now you can see why I sometimes miss grandpa parkes telling his bedtime stories just to see how often I can hear the truth coming thru the narrative.

I do want to thank the entire forum for many things, one of which is the inspiration to write more comedy, which seems to be one of the true healthy respites from so much heaviness and excessive introspection, so much so that I see way too much of my old life in many here.

The test of a corey goode lives in the missing 'I' of his narrative. Did you miss it, the c.g.i.?

[LEGOWehrmacht]

I have to admit I haven't read much of the 20 pages here yet but what are our ideas on why Corey Goode is disinformation and why David Wilcock is disinfo..? Introducing a new (non existent) alien species, Moving the focus to Antarctica possibly...
:sherlock:

[Clear Light]

The test of a corey goode lives in the missing 'I' of his narrative. Did you miss it, the c.g.i.?

Ah, how about this for some "Blue Avian" C.G.I ... LOL ... I'd suggest the taller "8ft" variety makes its entrance at around the 50 second mark ... :bigsmile:

k2PJ6T7U2eU

P.S I'm using "Mockery" as a means of making my position clear with regards to the CG "fantasy" !

[Mike]

OffPlanet Radio

Christine Anderson | The Evolution Of Corey Goode

Published 18th May 2017

Off-Planet Radio goes to the primary source for a deep look into the emergence of an alternative media"cult figure" by way of A conversation with Christine Anderson, Who was an admin on the Project Avalon Forum during the time the person now known as Corey Goode was emerging.

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she forgot to talk about all that money she stole. whoops. randy should have reminded her. thats like interviewing john dillinger and neglecting to ask anything about banks. how can anyone even begin to trust someone who stole $60,000? thats number 1...

number 2: its unfortunate that some private goings on have become public. but those are the cards we have been dealt. i don't believe for a second Bill that you threatened to kill Christine...but it might be prudent to go on the record anyway and say "i never threatened to kill Christine" :)

3)i like the idea of making it a community discussion, and moving past the drama. Target is right, thats where it needs to go now. but the personalities *had* to be addressed first. otherwise we woulda all been staring at that unaddressed giant elephant in the room. had to get it outta the way. its like sex....you get those embarrassing premature orgasms out of the way, and then youre good to go for a while. guys, you know exactly what im talking about. girls, you do too (unfortunately)...and on behalf of all the men, i apologize...

...aracuria used the phase "diminishing returns" in reference to these types of threads. well said aracuria. once everything that needs to be said about an individual is said, it needs to be let go. absolutely. i think we've hit that point here. there will always be that stubborn group of clowns who'll persistently refuse to turn the goddamn page, and will attempt to justify their bizarre motivations into infinity with backwards reasoning and mind numbing doublespeak...and yes, here i'm talking about all those threads and blogs and so forth that are out there trashing Bill and avalon incessantly...

...first of all, there is something very wrong with you guys. i mean that sincerely. im not joking. theres no punch line here. i'm not sure what it is, but i think youre sick in some way. Bill gets demonized to the point where saying even the slightest positive thing about him is viewed as heresy. he could save your life, and still you'd find something to criticize. its unreal. i call it "Bill Ryan Disease". its like starting a thread about Mickey Mantle and talking about nothing but his strike outs. YES , fawny, sycophantish posts get written here from time to time....*but there arent entire threads dedicated to them*. my god, grow the f#ck up already!

Calista, i know exactly what you mean about that distortion in the video - it sounded demonic! it was difficult to listen to! im still not entirely convinced it was a truck!:)

Bill, i gotta ask: why would you be concerned about dishonoring Charles, after all the deception he heaped upon the forum and the community in general??? (btw, if you don't answer me, im going to start a blog and begin trashing you immediately...)

i love the idea of the community moving forward as a unit. i like what you said Bill about Dolan and Austin-Fitts etc providing an organized, unified front...along with any others that may feel same....in fact, i think they *have* to if we're to have any chance at making a dent in the blue avian death star and all its reverberations.

[Callista]

my post was inappropriate

[Tangri]

OffPlanet Radio

Christine Anderson | The Evolution Of Corey Goode

Published 18th May 2017

Off-Planet Radio goes to the primary source for a deep look into the emergence of an alternative media"cult figure" by way of A conversation with Christine Anderson, Who was an admin on the Project Avalon Forum during the time the person now known as Corey Goode was emerging.

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Around the Twenty minute mark it gets very interesting! Highly Recommended listening.



Better late than never.

She didn't understand attachments and their community, but backed up Corey any way . She didn't get any profit from his( Corey's) new placement then changed position.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77948-Entities-Entity-attachments-Personal-experiences-and-discussion&p=911795&viewfull=1#post911795

[Innocent Warrior]

Just speaking for myself here but maybe it's best to follow Bill's lead on this one by highlighting strengths and leaving the rest.

[Callista]

https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.1mi-WhSzEsglYihcFp2FTQD6D6&w=234&h=220&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.7

[Cristian]

how can anyone even begin to trust someone who stole $60,000? thats number 1...


number 1 ...I think you got the numbers wrong ...




Edit from Bill: yes, it might have been more.




:focus: — please.



The weird sounds in that video are demonic, in my view and in Will's view. I am 67 years old and I have been around the block a few times and I know what I know. Will has had over 35 years experience dealing with these energies in people, so we know the difference, and its not only truck noises.

I observed you are pushing you and Will in various threads.
Just by the fact Christine says a truck is coming by just before you hear the "demonic'' sounds...is evidence that hmm...they are not "demonic'' sounds.
What else do you think she felt like her inner demons coming to the surface and quickly said...omg a truck is coming :P

But you (and Will) are not thinking... you are just love and light .

And Christine is evil.




When she's out of cookies :(


Also check this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia) out.

[norman]

For those almost arguing about the weird sounds in the Christine Anderson interview recording, I'll throw in some audio "expertise" for what it's worth.

Whoever made the recording, or assessed it's quality before broadcasting it, has applied very heavy noise reduction to it. It's a digital algorithm that has 2 stages. First a section with no speaking is sampled and an .fft (fast Fourier transform) file is made. This is then used as a digital filter process on the entire recording (file). In practical use, it can be used slightly, moderately or fully. The general idea is that the non speaking parts of the recording are removed, or reduced by varying degrees according to various factors that guide a decision. In the case of this recording the excessive artifacts audibly evident indicate that a quite excessive use of the process was applied.

It is these artifacts, that have made real world sounds seem like other-world phenomena that are causing this discussion about strange sounds and what they might mean.

As a person who doesn't use skype, I don't know if skype has a real-time noise reduction option in it's offerings of features but it's quite possible the application of a noise reduction algorithm, as I described above, was in use during the recording, and not applied later. The results would be roughly the same, either way.

Normally, I find 'noise reduction' practically useless because of the excessive artifacts it creates that generally sound worse to me than the original noisy recording.

[Kristin]

Shifting the conversation to broader coverage will fix this, and all that other stuff can be ignored, because its not relevant to the over all issues that face the entire community. That way the personalities don't matter, nor does the history.

Right on target, Target.

Let us focus our attention on how to support one another by keeping our conversation sane, on topic, and create spaces for solutions to the issues that the Truth Community has before us. Top notch researchers need our support. This forum is a prime example as to how we can share and discuss information that is relevant to disclosure. Our future hangs in the balance. Each day we push the public dialog further and each day there is more obscurification financed to keep us off the trail. We can uplift each other through critical analysis to create spaces of overview to engage in a conversation that is based on solid ground. Solutions and an understanding of what we are up against are key. Everything else is a game being played out to entertain, derail, and create smoke.

[Clear Light]

My biggest takeaway from this chat is that the Corey Goode narrative ( and others ) train us to externalise spiritual aspirations. The very same thing the Catholic Church has been doing.

Oh, indeed so Norman :thumbsup:

Now, as far as I can make out (as I don't have a Gaia.com (http://www.gaia.com) subscription lol), David Wilcock's latest theory with regards to Ascension is some kind of a "Solar Flash", seemingly within the next six years or so ... how's that for a nice "hook and bait" (please sign up here ...) eh ?


Cosmic Disclosure: Transformation Power of The Great Solar Flash (https://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-transformation-power-of-the-great-solar-flash.html)

The contact sources tell us that the solar emanations from the new Sun will have a direct impact in the refining and spiritualizing of [our] nervous systems as we pass into the new condition of life which celestial events are bringing to this world

Whereas to my understanding, most if not all of the extant "Spiritual Philosophies" impress upon the readers to "turn within" so as to minimize (as much as possible or as is necessary) Distractions from "The Great Work" eh ?

The choice is yours apparently ... :sun:

[TargeT]

Normally, I find 'noise reduction' practically useless because of the excessive artifacts it creates that generally sound worse to me than the original noisy recording.

I dunno, my "conversation with a Nigerian mystic" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXe4nW8Y_so&t=1956s)video's audio was almost incomprehensible before I applied Adobe's noise reduction.. But I think their tools are very very polished and do a great job.. now the video just sounds "a bit weird" but it DOES transform those background noises to sound quite different, can confirm.

There's so much software applied to audio these day's its hard to tell, finding a raw recording is rare anymore as mic.s (condenser, ribbon, dynamic etc..) don't "listen" to the world like we do and a lot of unintended stuff can be picked up if your not in an environment set up for sound (or so I've been finding out... haha)







Cosmic Disclosure: Transformation Power of The Great Solar Flash (https://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-transformation-power-of-the-great-solar-flash.html)

The contact sources tell us that the solar emanations from the new Sun will have a direct impact in the refining and spiritualizing of [our] nervous systems as we pass into the new condition of life which celestial events are bringing to this world

He picks "solar flash" as we are headed into a solar minimum (less active, less everything).... that's kind of funny..


Whereas to my understanding, most if not all of the extant "Spiritual Philosophies" impress upon the readers to "turn within" so as to minimize (as much as possible or as is necessary) Distractions from "The Great Work" eh ?


With everything else telling us to look external, it seems like there's a LOT of resources being put into the effort to keep us from going "with in". We are given every distraction possible, put in light hypnotic trance by TV, worked for the majority of our waking time, and effectively all this does is keep our mind spun around and around as long as it's not self reflecting.

I think this is an important thing to note, and by inference I think it's telling us that the most important thing to do is set aside all of that and self reflect, see what you find.. see if you find the mind parasite that narrates your inner monologue.

[CurEus]

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This comes to mind..........



The test of a corey goode lives in the missing 'I' of his narrative. Did you miss it, the c.g.i.?

Ah, how about this for some "Blue Avian" C.G.I ... LOL ... I'd suggest the taller "8ft" variety makes its entrance at around the 50 second mark ... :bigsmile:

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P.S I'm using "Mockery" as a means of making my position clear with regards to the CG "fantasy" !



Note from Bill: :focus: — please.

Blue bird jokes are cheap and easy to find. Many non-members are reading this thread, because of its prominence and potential importance. I'd like to show folks out there the very high usual quality of discussion and shared research here on Avalon. THX.

[Bill Ryan]

Bringing this thread back to topic (please, folks!! :) ) — Richard Dolan is, in 15 mins, about to start his Contact in The Desert (http://contactinthedesert.com/schedule) presentation entitled Media Deception and UFOs.

That may be extremely interesting, given the way that title can be interpreted. He has the opportunity to take on the responsibility of Gaia TV toe-to-toe — in his own courteous but always very clear style.

[Tam]

Unfortunately, I think you underestimate the power of ego. Just look at Trump. Perfect case study.

I think Wilcock is similar to Stephen Greer in that he's become highly naive, dazzled by extraterrestrials and how vastly evolved they are in comparison to us (for better or for worse, in terms of humanity's survival/evolution)

[norman]

Bringing this thread back to topic (please, folks!! :) ) — Richard Dolan is, in 15 mins, about to start his Contact in The Desert (http://contactinthedesert.com/schedule) presentation entitled Media Deception and UFOs.

That may be extremely interesting, given the way that title can be interpreted. He has the opportunity to take on the responsibility of Gaia TV toe-to-toe — in his own courteous but always very clear style.

Do we know for sure that Richard Dolan himself has not been coopted as a credibility prop by Gaia TV ?

[Bill Ryan]

Bringing this thread back to topic (please, folks!! :) ) — Richard Dolan is, in 15 mins, about to start his Contact in The Desert (http://contactinthedesert.com/schedule) presentation entitled Media Deception and UFOs.

That may be extremely interesting, given the way that title can be interpreted. He has the opportunity to take on the responsibility of Gaia TV toe-to-toe — in his own courteous but always very clear style.

Do we know for sure that Richard Dolan himself has not been coopted as a credibility prop by Gaia TV ?

Well, we can't know Gaia's motivation, but we do know Richard's. He's very critical of Corey Goode (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89709-Jimmy-Church-w-Corey-Goode-Joseph-Farrell-and-Richard-Dolan-Secret-Space-Program&p=1057472&viewfull=1#post1057472) (and those who promote him), and re his participation in Gaia, he's only interested in a workable large-audience platform to showcase his False Flag research, which is really something rather new.

[Tangri]

Just speaking for myself here but maybe it's best to follow Bill's lead on this one by highlighting strengths and leaving the rest.

Same mistake is going to be happen again. If we don't remember or remind old mistakes we can not have any experiences. Short memory span is a big handicap here. That time, moderator intervened early in the dispute which would be needed for criticizing or showing false flag, with using her moderator position and she killed the opposition of the impostor's. She didn't read all previous posts and neither did you before intervene.

If we see all productive critics as a threat, short memory takes us hostage.

In that post I gave the clue to the Bill on what danger is lying in his future.

As;

"I felt Salem's breeze here. Let the Peace with you"

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77948-Entities-Entity-attachments-Personal-experiences-and-discussion&p=911795&viewfull=1#post911795

(Maybe I needed to explain what happened at the town of Salem before )





From Bill: as is almost always the case with your posts, I'm afraid I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say.

:focus:

:blushing:Last sentence of below link

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97571-Bill-Ryan-Talks-to-Dark-Journalist&p=1154363&viewfull=1#post1154363

and second sentence of below link

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77602-Handling-Entity-Attachments----tips-and-hints--a-condensed-user-manual-&p=908187&viewfull=1#post908187

[norman]

. . . . have another recorded, high-level conversation with another well-known person already agreed — next week, probably — that will focus 100.0% on the bigger issues.

This is something that I'm very much looking forward to. (And that's another understatement. :) )



My money is on Kerry Cassidy or Richard Dolan :)

[Innocent Warrior]

Just speaking for myself here but maybe it's best to follow Bill's lead on this one by highlighting strengths and leaving the rest.

Same mistake is going to be happen again. If we don't remember or remind old mistakes we can not have any experiences. Short memory span is a big handicap here. That time, moderator intervened early in the dispute which would be needed for criticizing or showing false flag, with using her moderator position and she killed the opposition of the impostor's. She didn't read all previous posts and neither did you before intervene.

If we see all productive critics as a threat, short memory takes us hostage.

In that post I gave the clue to the Bill on what danger is lying in his future.

As;

"I felt Salem's breeze here. Let the Peace with you"

(Maybe I needed to explain what happened at the town of Salem before )

Leave me out of your drama, I was being courteous, it is Bill's thread.

[Chester]

resolved...

[Bill Ryan]

You know, folks, this thread might break the longstanding record for the number of times I write, begging:



:focus: — please.
:)

There are some important signals here. The more 'noise' there is added to the thread, the less chance there is of the signals being heard or read. We've already had one new member asking (post #366 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1153948&viewfull=1#post1153948)) for a summary, because they had so many pages to read.

* One piece of advice for us all: read to the end of the thread before stopping to reply immediately to something you've just noticed. It may already have been handled, or the whole conversation may by then be heading in quite another direction.

[7alon]

Okay so brainstorm time. Important signals.

- Alien/SSP disclosure disinformation is becoming more 'mainstream'. We have Gaia TV heavily promoting any content that will get the attention of a large audience, regardless of credibility.
- People are becoming more and more interested in and aware of 'alternate information/media'
- Greer has released his documentary about ET's and free energy.'
- William Tompkins came out of nowhere and started 'whistleblowing' with some interesting and wild claims.
- Pete Peterson, after not being on camera for over 7 years, appears on Gaia TV to talk about our relationship with ET's and his own personal experiences. Very odd timing.

Why is all this happening? Are we approaching some form of disclosure? It may be that this possible disclosure by the powers that be could simply be further disinformation. Are they using people like Corey Goode, Steven Greer, William Tompkins and possibly even Pete Peterson to test the waters to gauge our (the public)'s response?

[ThePythonicCow]

Why is all this happening? Are we approaching some form of disclosure? It may be that this possible disclosure by the powers that be could simply be further disinformation. Are they using people like Corey Goode, Steven Greer, William Tompkins and possibly even Pete Peterson to test the waters to gauge our (the public)'s response?
If they are leading with compromised individuals such as Goode and Greer, then they (the "elite bastards") aren't preparing for disclosure, but rather, as you considered, for further disinformation.

In other words, a bit of truth wrapped in a couple layers of toxic deception.

[Ewan]

....and possibly even Pete Peterson to test the waters to gauge our (the public)'s response?

I'm pretty sure by now they are well aware of the public's response to almost any given information. As I understand it MSM haemorrhaged viewers to alt-sources over the last few years, so the need to demonise or ridicule such sources would become of increasing importance. So lots of 'fake news' reports and a clear 'con' by the ufo community should herd the majority back into line, I fear they could do it so easily too in the current clime.

[7alon]

....and possibly even Pete Peterson to test the waters to gauge our (the public)'s response?

I'm pretty sure by now they are well aware of the public's response to almost any given information. As I understand it MSM haemorrhaged viewers to alt-sources over the last few years, so the need to demonise or ridicule such sources would become of increasing importance. So lots of 'fake news' reports and a clear 'con' by the ufo community should herd the majority back into line, I fear they could do it so easily too in the current clime.

I'm thinking that this whole situation is a lot harder to control than some of us believe. When I was watching Mirage Men (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4720-Mirage-Men-A-Journey-into-Disinformation-Paranoia-and-UFOs&p=1058669&viewfull=1#post1058669), Richard Doty (correct me if I'm wrong about this) directed Paul Bennewitz to a location as an act of disinformation, only to discover there was indeed something going on there, which Richard was unaware of.

I guess my point is, here they are, instructing disinformants on what to do, yet mistakes were made. I don't think things go according to plan on a regular basis, this is my opinion. It has to be difficult with all the compartmentalisation. I hope I'm making sense.

[norman]

Shane The Ruiner: The Evolution Of Corey Goode-Part 2-After Avalon

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Published on 22 May 2017
Shane Bales, The Ruiner, and Randy Maugans cover the continued development of the media creation that is the Blue Avians-Secret Space Program entertainment franchise. Post-Avalon , the forum wars, the entrance of David Wilcock as he looks for his next vein of material, Gaia(m) TV, and the mechanics of intelligence operations that run through the so-called "alternative media" communities.

[Mike]

Stay tuned guys...Ive decided to make a video talking about all the videos being made that talk about bill's videos with dark journalist. It'll be a 3 part series. My second video will discuss my first video which analyzes all the videos talking about bill's video, and my third video will be an analysis of my second video which analyzes my first video.

This can all be found on my new website: newswecanalldowithout.com

[Ewan]

Just from the image of Shane "The Ruiner" on that still frame presenting the video I burst out laughing.

Let's use this 'carefully crafted and moodily dramatic shot' of this person to expose this fake person over here with their 'carefully crafted dramatic and moody shot'.

Perfect!

Given Shane's history on here why would anyone listen to what he has to say now with anything other than extreme skepticism?

I just re-read Passport to Magonia (http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Jacques Vallee - Passport to Magonia.pdf) by Jacques Vallée and there was a very pertinent paragraph in the section entitled...The Functioning Lie


There is a tendency among the believers to gather into large, very formal organizations, where they waste all their energy and, sometimes, a good deal of money, with practically no visible result. It is clear that such organizations answer a psychological need rather than a genuine desire to discover the answer to an interesting intellectual problem. Maintaining such a group implies a tremendous overhead—mailing lists, bookkeeping, etc.— and experience shows that research is always the last activity it can afford. Instead, these groups generate so much internal bitterness and so many intcrorganizational feuds that they prove to be serious obstacles to independent researchers who are simply trying to get firsthand data and do not care to support one particular personality or theory against another.Well those overheads are gone now with the advent of social media platforms - now anyone can set up a channel and create whatever content they like. In short the potential for mis/dis/information has exploded. Now introduce the possibility of actually making a little money on the side if you can generate enough hits* and it actually becomes tempting. Then, if you get good enough, there might be a real payday at the end of the road.

*HITS require a little creative thinking if you don't genuinely have an inside scoop on something or a track record of reliability. "Human hybrids, Nephilim and Giants in the USA" was the title of a video I recently watched. 36 minutes later there was not one mention of any of those terms/names in the entire video.

Look, we were all gullible once, there is no shame in that. We have to teach ourselves how to practice discernment. The community on Avalon can certainly help, they did for me.

[RunningDeer]

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/write.gif Disclaimer: This is not a reflection on interviewers and guests. It's me playing with Mike.


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/Mike-website.jpg

Stay tuned guys ...my new website: newswecanalldowithout.com

[Mike]

OH MAN! HAHAHA!! PAULA THATS FRICKIN AWESOME!:bigsmile: (..you actually made me use the word "awesome"...thats one i havent used in years;)


wow..thanks for the laugh. i needed that today.

[PurpleLama]

OH MAN! HAHAHA!! PAULA THATS FRICKIN AWESOME!:bigsmile: (..you actually made me use the word "awesome"...thats one i havent used in years;)


wow..thanks for the laugh. i needed that today.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=1085270&viewfull=1#post1085270

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90334-My-Nerves-Are-Shot.-Now-what&p=1064596&viewfull=1#post1064596

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89770-Hip-hop-thread&p=1057998&viewfull=1#post1057998

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=1042687&viewfull=1#post1042687

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88539-How-best-to-handle-the-Middle-East-refugee-crisis&p=1042530&viewfull=1#post1042530

These are all links to posts where you used the word "awesome", just from 2016. Your first video isn't even out yet, and already your credibility is shot. Tsk tsk.

[Mike]

damn you Lama, a private msg would have been a little more appropriate. did you not see the "donation" button there? youre already ruining my aweso....er....i mean great shot at stardom.

damn you..................................................

;)

[RunningDeer]

These are all links to posts where you used the word "awesome", just from 2016. Your first video isn't even out yet, and already your credibility is shot. Tsk tsk.

Good catch PL. A birdie made him say it.

[PurpleLama]

Shane The Ruiner: The Evolution Of Corey Goode-Part 2-After Avalon

kI8ogW9136k
Published on 22 May 2017
Shane Bales, The Ruiner, and Randy Maugans cover the continued development of the media creation that is the Blue Avians-Secret Space Program entertainment franchise. Post-Avalon , the forum wars, the entrance of David Wilcock as he looks for his next vein of material, Gaia(m) TV, and the mechanics of intelligence operations that run through the so-called "alternative media" communities.

At about 28 minutes in, Shane starts nailing it. I also share the assessment that money is perhaps the root of all the nonsense, not some history of milab or mind control.

[OMG]

WmhFYQnlKB4

A quick examination of the various perspectives and biases regarding Corey. Including the "types of evidence" that need to be considered when making an objective evaluation.

Where are you?

:sherlock:

Mod edit , Billy here. I have merged this thread with the already existing Corey thread. No need for yet another thread.

[Mike]

These are all links to posts where you used the word "awesome", just from 2016. Your first video isn't even out yet, and already your credibility is shot. Tsk tsk.

Good catch PL. No doubt it's those Michael 'Awesome' Alters that are messin' with the Mike.

:offtopic:



my account has been hacked. thats my story and im stickin with it.;)

in my defense, i don't believe ive actually uttered the word "awesome" in years...i mean out loud

btw, Bill Clinton just told me to say that:
j4XT-l-_3y0


alright, enough about my awesomeness:banplease:

:focus:

[TargeT]

Where are you?


Not watching his content anymore, that's where ;)

[Catsquotl]

Given Shane's history on here why would anyone listen to what he has to say now with anything other than extreme skepticism?

.

Well for one thing the whole Corey Goode, Ruiner blog camps that emerged around that time a few years back helped me in a rather dramatic way revisit the value I place on forums like these.
Personally I find Shane appears to have a tad more integrity. But that's just me..

What I really enjoyed seeing in this truth of corey frenzy that's is spurting everywhere is the rise and fall of Jordan Sather..
I am particularly amazed at how quick his 15 minutes of shame were just that..

:popcorn:

With Love
Eelco

[OMG]

WmhFYQnlKB4

A quick examination of the various perspectives and biases regarding Corey. Including the "types of evidence" that need to be considered when making an objective evaluation.

Where are you?

:sherlock:

Mod edit , Billy here. I have merged this thread with the already existing Corey thread. No need for yet another thread.

What's this logic?

Yea, sure anything Corey Goode could be put under a single thread or two...ok I get it. But let's look at what's really happening. You've basically sabotaged this video by putting it out of the way in this old thread which no one will most likely revisit. And yet the video offers a fresh perspective done in a clear and concise manner.

Do you combine all Trump threads? All David Steele threads? All Benjamin Fullford threads? The list goes on and on...

:silent:

[Innocent Warrior]

WmhFYQnlKB4

A quick examination of the various perspectives and biases regarding Corey. Including the "types of evidence" that need to be considered when making an objective evaluation.

Where are you?

:sherlock:

Mod edit , Billy here. I have merged this thread with the already existing Corey thread. No need for yet another thread.

What's this logic?

Yea, sure anything Corey Goode could be put under a single thread or two...ok I get it. But let's look at what's really happening. You've basically sabotaged this video by putting it out of the way in this old thread which no one will most likely revisit. And yet the video offers a fresh perspective done in a clear and concise manner.

Do you combine all Trump threads? All David Steele threads? All Benjamin Fullford threads? The list goes on and on...

:silent:

No sabotage, this video has already been posted on Avalon, it's in post #330 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1153638&viewfull=1#post1153638) of this thread (posted by TargeT) and discussed.

:focus:

[Catsquotl]

I'm trying to figure out why this topic is so all over the place at the moment.
I have an interest as I said because in the thick of the Corey Goode wars I had epiphanies of my own that are unrelated to any story He might have told, But was an interesting experience non the less.

So I am assuming that this rehash of Corey is to expose him again as a fraud(or worse) in order to try and prevent people from getting sucked into a cult yes?
Which is good because If just one person uses this knowledge to not get sucked in or escapes this particular state of being. It will be worth it.
That said in my experience from being a naive new agey woo woo person. Following a Guru, Being in an emerging cult later down the line, participating in woo woo forums and then so called truth forums I have learned tons. My life would not be the same without those experiences and if I look back I don't think someone could have persuaded me to take a different road than through..

In my experience hearing or reading an expose on the one you put your trust in as a fraud only makes you resolve stronger that you are on to something.
"I'm not crazy for believing in this.. They are.."
That sort of thing..
I'm guessing this way of reasoning is pretty familiar to most.

With Love
Eelco

[PurpleLama]

Eelco, I will say what concerns me the most with the DW/CG confluence of crap. What I am watching out for in all this is how wide spread it has become, by virtue of how ridiculous it is as well as how heavily funded and promoted it certainly is.

One major working (or manipulation of mass consciousness, if you prefer) would be to set all this up, get millions of people (not hundreds or thousands like we have on these forums) to follow the stories and start believing in them, only to very publicly humiliate/shame/disprove them all, further down the line.

The effect might be intended to snap all these people back into the common programmed western mindset after having gotten burned. We all know how painful it can be to invest our energy and belief into something, only to have it proven a sham. Imagine that on a huge scale. With the personas being built around DW/CG you might as well be crucifying Christ all over again, for all the effect it will have on their true believers.

The end effect that those of us in the alt media universe might find many enemies in folks who otherwise should have been compatriots in the cause of wider truths.

[Hervé]

[...]
.... We all know how painful it can be to invest our energy and belief into something, only to have it proven a sham. Imagine that on a huge scale. With the personas being built around DW/CG you might as well be crucifying Christ all over again, for all the effect it will have on their true believers.

The end effect that those of us in the alt media universe might find many enemies in folks who otherwise should have been compatriots in the cause of wider truths.
I concur... this is what's otherwise known as "Cognitive Dissonance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance)" as observed with the "When Prophecy Fails (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Festinger#When_Prophecy_Fails)" case study and what we witness with the so-called "Snow Flakes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Snowflake)" and/or the immigrants who get solidified/gelled into their beliefs and traditions once uprooted and transplanted into "foreign" lands... a milder form of which being known as "Culture Shock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_shock)."

[araucaria]

"my point about being buried in this thread" http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1154925&viewfull=1#post1154925

This video has now been posted 7 (seven) times, including4 times on this page. More like spamming, I'd say.

How's about saying what you have to say, preferably in your own words, and then allowing the thread to flow?

[OMG]

"my point about being buried in this thread" http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1154925&viewfull=1#post1154925

This video has now been posted 7 (seven) times, including4 times on this page. More like spamming, I'd say.

How's about saying what you have to say, preferably in your own words, and then allowing the thread to flow?

You must mean it's been coped with quotes many times so people have a point of reference. That's not "spamming". And again, I had no idea the video was posted when I did so. Of course, why would I when there are over 400+ post in this thread and going back through them would be like delving into a book. Most of which seems unnecessary.

When I read Corey's response to Bill's comments and didn't see a direct reply I stopped reading this thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1150306&viewfull=1#post1150306

As far as the video. There's a lot there to pay attention to that is relevant. For instance, the two forms of truth "Absolute" (which is rare) vs. "Relative" (which everyone here has). And how it's important to self examine closely the "evidence" for your perspective/truth. It seems to me that those against Corey and this video are lacking the will or ability to see that there are other components to truth. In short, they are limiting their perspective. This kid clearly shows enough evidence to support aspects of Corey's narrative as potentially real beyond a reasonable doubt. It's that simple.

Also, when looking back at some of these post against Corey, and this video, there are obvious character attributes regarding the people posting against or for them. It's up to each person to see what they can see...and I would defend everyone's right to see reality as they do, as long as they don't impeade on others likewise.

:)

[Shadowself]

It's up to each person to see what they can see...and I would defend everyone's right to see reality as they do, as long as they don't impeade on others likewise.


Well that's a grand theory and sifting through the information I would agree that some of the things Corey talks about may be true. After several years on this forum loaded with information of this type it would not be too hard for anybody to fabricate a story loaded with information given on this forum and the internet in general as in part truth and confabulate some story to gain fame and fortune.

Here's the thing. There are people out here with real concerns. People looking for some truth. I am one of those people. I've been looking for the truth for a long time to get to the bottom of what the hell is going on. I'm still searching and it's a serious subject. I'd love nothing more than to be wrong...and chalk it all up to some kind of mistake and misgiving of information that surrounds this subject. It's been said many times there is truth interlaced within the misinformation.

Here's a fact. There are people who label Corey as a "hero" and they will never accept the facts presented here within this thread. If any of them are in the group of "harassed individuals" involved in the very subjects he puts out there as truth they have fallen into the category of subdued truth and false narrative when something else is in fact going on and now the truth is diverted, denigrated and disregarded.

There was a time in the beginning of my own search that I thought this was some kind of spiritual journey. It was not. Plain and simple. This is not to say there is not some value to a "spiritual journey" but confabulating the two are far and away not part of the picture.

Ascension memes are not part of the problem and/or solution to getting to the truth of what the hell is going on. But to convince someone that is certain that any ET arrivals and involvement of the government and most importantly military industrial complex and black project are part of some "higher ET agenda" with our best interests involved is simply wishful thinking. The dangerous part of Corey Goode is that this is the narrative and in fact people who are involved in this scenario are now following him like a cult leader.

Since when is abduction and genetic proposed forced involvement of innocent people of a higher agenda? Unwilling people are everyday speaking of it and dismissed as delusional by the greater MIC while their agenda is in question as to involvement.

When someone with this kind of experience just drops and folds to Cory Goode as a hero of this agenda and involvement as if this were truly going on when he does not have a clue and I say this will great certainty he is complicit in the crimes of any ET involvement and government cover-ups while those very same people are lulled into believe his story. The unwilling ones are now to believe this is a good thing and they are part of some grander plan. The unwilling are now the willing and will go along with any kind of agenda put forth by blue birds and bubble boy.

Hailing Corey and David as some kind of hero's on a subject serious enough to kill people to keep a secret as grand as the government and black projects proceed with make them complicit in a crime as far as I'm concerned.

I could care less if they sell mugs and bumper stickers and get rich and fat... but they are now giving council to people who otherwise would still be searching for the truths in these matters and agendas and most importantly seeking genuine help. It's that simple. Neither one of them is in a position of knowing "first hand" what is going on. Most of what they have produced is historic versions of things that others have related in some fashion....hence the bits of truth laced within the BS.

Hay if Cory and David wants to get rich telling outright lies of blue bubbles and birds fine. But it needs to go into the category of entertainment...which if you've not noticed is exactly where it is at present.

They are leading people with serious issues off the cliff who should be seeking genuine help. Not lulled into submission that there are ET's with some grand intervention of delegates and subversives.

[Dylansdad]

Perhaps this has been mentioned, but a dead give away to me that Corey was not authentic is his omniscience on so many "fringe" topics. The man is a walking database of information on all the different groups supposedly roaming the solar system, about Nazi's on the moon during WW2, about hollow Earth, about slave colonies, about Blue Jays in Space (which reminds me of the 70's Muppet show which had a silly ongoing segment called Pigs In Space), Antarctica and just about any other meme that comes up elsewhere (suddenly Corey has personal memories of it too).

No one in a secret program would have access to all information about everything related to that program. He would have been corralled into one small aspect of the program and been kept there.

Even corporate America does this. I worked for a major world wide corporation for 30 years. But my knowledge, as a mid-level manager, was strictly focused on my area of expertise. I did not have an omniscient knowledge of every project that this corporation was pursuing. I did not even know what people were doing 10 cubicles away from me!

Yet we are to believe that Corey is somehow an expert on just about every fringe topic thrown at him by an interviewer like David Wilcock. Corey has been all over the solar system. He has been to civilizations in the hollow Earth. He has been to Antarctica. All this and I bet he couldn't get a ticket to see the NY play HAMILTON!!!

Seriously, folks. If you come across a whistleblower who knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING, this is a huge red flag. It just ain't possible unless that person is creator and manager of all such projects.

Therefore, since Corey proclaims that he knows all about everything David Wilcock throws at him, branching into yet more areas previously left alone, then I turn such a person into pure entertainment only. However, Corey is NOT a good speaker. He mumbles and fidgets (A great human representative of the Blue Birds, right?). Listening to him I find very irritating. Consequently, he is not even good entertainment.

Another thing. So many Corey Goode supporters claim that no person could make up such complex information that hangs tight over time.

My response is always to urge such a person to visit their local Barnes & Nobles store. Look at the hundreds upon hundreds of books in the Science Fiction Section, the Fantasy Section, the New Age Section, the General Fiction Section.

The human mind is incredibly creative. It is a great insult to the talented writers of our world to claim that no one could ever make up such a complex story.

When I hear such a defense, I shake my head in despair wondering "Haven't you ever read a good book in your entire life?"

[norman]

Can any of the real proper hard core 'digging' researchers here check out if Corey or any of his representatives have registered a religion or church?

I say this because the general direction his thing is heading will require a registered church organisation to stay legal.

[Mike]

Hi there DylansDad,

Hey that was a terrific post. Welcome to the forum:)

[Dylansdad]

Gaia,

The impression I get from all of the wannabe celebrities is that they are just that and not much more. In the forty years since I began studying this phenomenon and the personalities involved, I have only encountered one person who I could state, with certainty, is an agent planting information to intentionally mislead.

He has the ear of Jacques Vallee and other academic researchers. You wouldn't recognize his name unless you've had some involvement with some of these people.

The celebrity types make up crap as they go. There is no wizard behind the scenes IMO. They are appealing to religious archetypes of good versus evil, angels and devils. Many of them end up sounding like fundamentalist preachers.

There is no intention to do harm, just to create drama, which is the appeal of most fundamentalist fear and or hate mongering. People convince themselves they are seeking the truth when they are seeking excitement. It's tiring

I agree 100%. I also have encountered so many people who consider themselves "enlightened" simply because they have traded in a fundamentalist Christian viewpoint for a fundamentalist New Age or fundamentalist "Aliens From Space/Another Dimension" belief system. Enlightenment is NOT a particular belief system where believing in evil aliens is superior to believing in evil angels. Yet I see so many people making this mistake, patting themselves on the back for being "enlightened" because they believe that heaven is in another dimension instead of beyond our blue sky.

To keep this relevant to the thread topic, I have been the recipient of so much condescension from Corey fans. They sniff in my direction and proclaim that I am simply not yet evolved enough to accept THE TRUTH (Copywrite Pending) as presented to them by Corey. Again, so many people confuse a competing belief system with spiritual consciousness.

[Dylansdad]

Forgive me, but I am new here and rather confused about the assumption I have seen underlying many posts. That assumption is that whistleblowers like Corey are under MIND CONTROL in some manner. My dad used to say "If you see hoof prints in the mud, start out assuming it was a horse, not a unicorn". Isn't it just possible that he is just a guy who has found a way to make a good living without doing much actual work? Could he be a guy that enjoys the celebrity status in the very small turgid waters of ufology? I can whimsically envision David Wilcock taking him under his wing and saying something like "Stick with me, kid. I am going to make you a STAR".

Seriously, why would people jump to a fringe explanation of spooky mind control? Can't this just be a guy who found an easy niche to exploit? Good Lord. I tuned into Jimmy Church at the Contact In the Desert LIVE broadcast. Jimmy was practically licking Corey's boots with his adoration. This and an income too? Sounds great if you don't mind fabricating a story.

I subscribed to GAIA for awhile before I became disgusted with the pandering to nonsensical New Age dogma and conspiracy theories. I watched many David Wilcock interviews of Corey Goode. Certainly I am not the only person to notice that very often David would give Corey a complex scenario, and then merely ask Corey to agree or disagree. In most cases, Corey would just nod his head and agree. "Um....ah....OK, yes, that is exactly what happened".

[norman]

Forgive me, but I am new here and rather confused about the assumption I have seen underlying many posts. That assumption is that whistleblowers like Corey are under MIND CONTROL in some manner. My dad used to say "If you see hoof prints in the mud, start out assuming it was a horse, not a unicorn". Isn't it just possible that he is just a guy who has found a way to make a good living without doing much actual work? Could he be a guy that enjoys the celebrity status in the very small turgid waters of ufology? I can whimsically envision David Wilcock taking him under his wing and saying something like "Stick with me, kid. I am going to make you a STAR".

Seriously, why would people jump to a fringe explanation of spooky mind control? Can't this just be a guy who found an easy niche to exploit? Good Lord. I tuned into Jimmy Church at the Contact In the Desert LIVE broadcast. Jimmy was practically licking Corey's boots with his adoration. This and an income too? Sounds great if you don't mind fabricating a story.

I subscribed to GAIA for awhile before I became disgusted with the pandering to nonsensical New Age dogma and conspiracy theories. I watched many David Wilcock interviews of Corey Goode. Certainly I am not the only person to notice that very often David would give Corey a complex scenario, and then merely ask Corey to agree or disagree. In most cases, Corey would just nod his head and agree. "Um....ah....OK, yes, that is exactly what happened".


If the GAIA/Wilcock/Goode dots were the only ones we had to join I'd agree fully, but there are a whole lot more dots and a whole lot bigger pictures to put together than this.

[TargeT]

Perhaps this has been mentioned, but a dead give away to me that Corey was not authentic is his omniscience on so many "fringe" topics........
No one in a secret program would have access to all information about everything related to that program. He would have been corralled into one small aspect of the program and been kept there.

Compartmentalization is how we do it, ideally the "workers" won't even know what they are working with (at least, that was my experience in the military).




Seriously, folks. If you come across a whistleblower who knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING, this is a huge red flag. It just ain't possible unless that person is creator and manager of all such projects.

Excellent point, I haven't been keeping up with his material so I wasn't aware his story had become so all encompassing.. that's just sloppy...


So many Corey Goode supporters claim that no person could make up such complex information that hangs tight over time.
.... I shake my head in despair wondering "Haven't you ever read a good book in your entire life?"

The fantasy books I enjoy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wheel_of_Time) have 10-16 books in the set (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malazan_Book_of_the_Fallen). If there can be that many great authors out there with those GIANT stories then Corey's make-believe capabilities is completely believable.

[Omni]

Seriously, why would people jump to a fringe explanation of spooky mind control?
Mind control isn't fringe to people who witness it every day. I am a targeted individual of many severe forms of electromagnetic weaponry used against myself. Mind control is more than real, it's widespread and it's not going away. Maybe you should research mind control before forming a conclusion about it. Those who cite mind control are well informed or guessed well in my opinion. Mind control is always involved in big PSYOPS, and Corey Goode is a pretty big PSYOP.

I have been forced to witness a decade of forcible mind control. I mean acute, obvious mind control often aimed at attacking my soul or discrediting me. So it's natural for me to rebuke any posts about how it doesn't exist, or isn't a rational thought etc etc.

If you want a rundown on mind control here is a thread I posted with a documentary I made: Covert Transhumanism (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89096-Covert-Transhumanism-A-Mind-Control-Documentary), or several other films/videos with deeper tech truths here (http://www.omnisense.org/2016/08/omnisenseorg-full-length-films.html).

[Jad]

I just wanted to thank everyone who contributed in this thread. Here are some of my thoughts about this topic:

Corey: when I watched his first video with Wilcok, my first impression of him is that he was a psychopath. Forget about the info he was claiming, his whole vibe just made me cringe. Fast forward till now, and I still get the same vibe from him although he seems much more relaxed in front of the camera. Now as far as his information goes, I don't need to add anything more than what's already been said about it cause its obvious to anyone with half a brain that this dude is talking out if his ass... in fact, I doubt that he has been outside North America to begin with( that's how he strikes me)!

Wilcock: I saw him first on Camelot interview with Bill and Kerry, and my first reaction was he seems genuine and well spoken. Unfortunately, it went downhill from there. I decided to look him up and then I found out about the whole Edgar Cayce thing and I thought that it was very weird for someone to even mention that about himself as if to give more credibility to his current work, but then again I know that not everyone thinks like me and maybe this dude just craved some more attention which is a normal human trait. That was the first flag. Then I started going on his website, where he would only post updates coincidentally before any coast to coast interview or Hawaii vacation/lecture or book or anything that he was involved in that particular weekend. That was the second flag. But I gave him the benefit of the doubt cause maybe he is simply good in marketing and there is nothing wrong to plug yourself or your work. Then I noticed a trend that he would latch on to any outlandish story ( Fulford and his ninjas and dragon society, Keenan and the new currency BS..), in hopes that if that story turns out to be true then Wilcok was right there in the thick of it all , and what made things even worse is that how he shamelessly would interpret his "dream journal" BS to match what was going on at the time... that was the third flag, and that's when I decided that he was full of it. But later his first show on Gaia started and I watched the first few episodes and honestly I was impressed by the information and citations and all that but what turned me off about it was his constant effort to make jokes and to present himself as funny or entertaining.. it showed me a glimpse of his ginormous ego but to me that was not important cause I only cared about the information and I could care less about his delivery. His second show ( about the conspiracy theories) was even better with all the various guests like Hancock and others.. It seems that after that, he was running out of material for his second show and that's when he latched on to Corey and the rest is history..
At that time I had purchased the yearly subscription from Gaia, and I could have swore that in some of the early episodes between them that I watched I sensed that Wilcock couldn't even stomach Corey's claims, but I guess he swallowed his pride because he was already "committed" or "all in" with this psycopath.

Finally there is no doubt in my mind that this whole Corey circus is going to explode exponentially and destroy the credibility of a lot of researchers that latched on to him like Salla and Wilcock. My final question is how Wilcock will distance himself from this mess after he milks every $$$ out of it? Will he say he was tricked/threatened to sponsor him? Or will he stop talking about him like he stopped mentioning Keenan and Fulford?

[norman]

. . . . . there is no doubt in my mind that this whole Corey circus is going to explode exponentially . . . .



Contact In The Desert may even become the new 'Bilderberg' protest site, if gathering to agree the future (of the entire population) without representation, is a protestable offence, that is.

Two years ago, Google and Youtube searches for "Secret Space Program Conference" didn't turn up much on the actual conference but plenty of whohaha about Corey Goode's emerging tales.


Now we have a situation where Corey is the main attraction at Contact In The Desert (conference) with a slick LA TruthJock spreading on the butter as thick as will stick.


I don't need a sick bucket because I'm going to errupt with laughter, I think, O dear, too late.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, Jad & Norman for your comments! Glad I didn't waste any time on all that! :facepalm:

[Mike]

. . . . . there is no doubt in my mind that this whole Corey circus is going to explode exponentially . . . .



Contact In The Desert may even become the new 'Bilderberg' protest site, if gathering to agree the future (of the entire population) without representation, is a protestable offence, that is.

Two years ago, Google and Youtube searches for "Secret Space Program Conference" didn't turn up much on the actual conference but plenty of whohaha about Corey Goode's emerging tales.


Now we have a situation where Corey is the main attraction at Contact In The Desert (conference) with a slick LA TruthJock spreading on the butter as thick as will stick.


I don't need a sick bucket because I'm going to errupt with laughter, I think, O dear, too late.



Hey Norman, have you heard anything about that event? Or rumors? Any idea how Corey was received etc?

[Dylansdad]

Seriously, why would people jump to a fringe explanation of spooky mind control?
Mind control isn't fringe to people who witness it every day. I am a targeted individual of many severe forms of electromagnetic weaponry used against myself. Mind control is more than real, it's widespread and it's not going away. Maybe you should research mind control before forming a conclusion about it. Those who cite mind control are well informed or guessed well in my opinion. Mind control is always involved in big PSYOPS, and Corey Goode is a pretty big PSYOP.

I have been forced to witness a decade of forcible mind control. I mean acute, obvious mind control often aimed at attacking my soul or discrediting me. So it's natural for me to rebuke any posts about how it doesn't exist, or isn't a rational thought etc etc.

If you want a rundown on mind control here is a thread I posted with a documentary I made: Covert Transhumanism (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89096-Covert-Transhumanism-A-Mind-Control-Documentary), or several other films/videos with deeper tech truths here (http://www.omnisense.org/2016/08/omnisenseorg-full-length-films.html).

For the record, I did not state that Mind Control does not exist. I simply asked why this was such a prominent viewpoint in terms of Corey Goode rather than the more mundane and sleazy explanation that people do fabricate hoaxes all the time in ufology of their own free will. It just seems to me that positing Mind Control as an explanation lets Corey off the hook in terms of personal responsibility.

[norman]

. . . . . there is no doubt in my mind that this whole Corey circus is going to explode exponentially . . . .



Contact In The Desert may even become the new 'Bilderberg' protest site, if gathering to agree the future (of the entire population) without representation, is a protestable offence, that is.

Two years ago, Google and Youtube searches for "Secret Space Program Conference" didn't turn up much on the actual conference but plenty of whohaha about Corey Goode's emerging tales.


Now we have a situation where Corey is the main attraction at Contact In The Desert (conference) with a slick LA TruthJock spreading on the butter as thick as will stick.


I don't need a sick bucket because I'm going to errupt with laughter, I think, O dear, too late.



Hey Norman, have you heard anything about that event? Or rumors? Any idea how Corey was received etc?

No real idea, here's a lady with a University degree in journalism who has been there this year. Now what did I do with that sick bucket.

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[Catsquotl]

Eelco, I will say what concerns me the most with the DW/CG confluence of crap. What I am watching out for in all this is how wide spread it has become, by virtue of how ridiculous it is as well as how heavily funded and promoted it certainly is.

One major working (or manipulation of mass consciousness, if you prefer) would be to set all this up, get millions of people (not hundreds or thousands like we have on these forums) to follow the stories and start believing in them, only to very publicly humiliate/shame/disprove them all, further down the line.

The effect might be intended to snap all these people back into the common programmed western mindset after having gotten burned. We all know how painful it can be to invest our energy and belief into something, only to have it proven a sham. Imagine that on a huge scale. With the personas being built around DW/CG you might as well be crucifying Christ all over again, for all the effect it will have on their true believers.

The end effect that those of us in the alt media universe might find many enemies in folks who otherwise should have been compatriots in the cause of wider truths.

Thanks purple. That was a scenario I hadn't considered at such a scale. If it was thousands I wouldn't have worried as I and probably many others have had their share of believing the unbelievable stories and worked through the aftermath of such an experience. Yes it takes time to do so. even years to recognize all the subtle little belief systems that accompany such an ordeal.

That said though In my case that worked out for the better when it comes to discernment and unconditioned happiness. Now I could imagine on a scale of millions that the aftermath could(unlikely) but could have a new religious effect. I.E capitalism as the only true gospel after the wold has experienced its failed disclosure. Still even though that would play nicely into the hands of our oppressors so to speak It's a long shot to pull off that desired outcome.

With Love
Eelco
(changed from loving woo woo new agy type into loving cynic..)

[Innocent Warrior]

Purple Lama wrote -


Eelco, I will say what concerns me the most with the DW/CG confluence of crap. What I am watching out for in all this is how wide spread it has become, by virtue of how ridiculous it is as well as how heavily funded and promoted it certainly is.

These are Corey Goode's own words from one of the Cosmic Disclosure episodes here (https://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-government-troll-data-center.html) -


Yes. They use websites. They use people posting in forums, and they use established researchers who have been compromised by informants of their own. They've got the infiltration of this field down to a fine art, and they've had the infiltration of ufology in the esoteric community down from the beginning, since the early '50s.

And later -


Yeah, the most important tool to have is a psychological profile on a person. If you have a psychological profile on a person, you're able to then find ways to get into their life and manipulate them, manipulate their belief systems. You know what they're looking for, what their field of study, their interests are, and then you can put in people that have that information with the caveats that you've put on it, disinformation caveats, and then they jump on – or if they bite that information, then you are in with them and then they are now, I guess, parroting that information for you if you're a disinfo agent.

And in the context of what Corey's wife Stacy wrote here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78030-Posts-Censored-and-Removed-because-of-Entity-and-Scientology-References&p=913151&viewfull=1#post913151) -


This person is both a high ranking Scientology Member with access to their maticulous records and also a person that works at the DHS that my husband worked with and has known and used to get background information on people for years. They displayed records on a citrix conference page and went over some of the church terms and abbreviations.
He was only asked about the material on the entity subject and if it was related to Scientology and he was very motivated to showed the scientology and fringe scientology papers on these subjects and went on from there to showing dossier file documents on bill and some other person my husband had requested information about several weeks back that I do not know.

If Corey isn't a paid disinfo agent then why was he still requesting information on people as recently as when Stacy wrote? I understand that if someone sees someone as a big enough threat, at times for very good reason, they can justify getting background information on them, but what Corey did there seems hugely unwarranted. It seems more unsettling to me if he wasn't a disinfo agent.

Also there's the screenshot of Corey stating he is on the payroll, posted by Bill in the OP of this thread.

I share the same concerns as PL and I understand the above isn't proof Corey's a paid disinfo agent but I'm baffled at why and how there are people who have seen this and still trust Corey's information without explaining how they managed to get past it, the above is all Corey's and his wife's own words.

[Chester]

"my point about being buried in this thread" http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1154925&viewfull=1#post1154925

This video has now been posted 7 (seven) times, including4 times on this page. More like spamming, I'd say.

How's about saying what you have to say, preferably in your own words, and then allowing the thread to flow?

You must mean it's been coped with quotes many times so people have a point of reference. That's not "spamming". And again, I had no idea the video was posted when I did so. Of course, why would I when there are over 400+ post in this thread and going back through them would be like delving into a book. Most of which seems unnecessary.

When I read Corey's response to Bill's comments and didn't see a direct reply I stopped reading this thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1150306&viewfull=1#post1150306

As far as the video. There's a lot there to pay attention to that is relevant. For instance, the two forms of truth "Absolute" (which is rare) vs. "Relative" (which everyone here has). And how it's important to self examine closely the "evidence" for your perspective/truth. It seems to me that those against Corey and this video are lacking the will or ability to see that there are other components to truth. In short, they are limiting their perspective. This kid clearly shows enough evidence to support aspects of Corey's narrative as potentially real beyond a reasonable doubt. It's that simple.

Also, when looking back at some of these post against Corey, and this video, there are obvious character attributes regarding the people posting against or for them. It's up to each person to see what they can see...and I would defend everyone's right to see reality as they do, as long as they don't impeade on others likewise.

:)

Well, fortunately I have direct experience of the absolute truth of Corey lying... multiple, provable instances where he lied to me and where he lied to us all.

Case closed OMG - you are being conned. Enjoy la la land.

[Catsquotl]

I share the same concerns as PL and I understand the above isn't proof Corey's a paid disinfo agent but I'm baffled at why and how there are people who have seen this and still trust Corey's information without explaining how they managed to get past it, the above is all Corey's and his wife's own words.

Just out of curiosity. Does anyone know how many subscribers Gaia(tv) has?
Not that there's not a lot more people getting exposed to their material but as an indication as to what scale we're talking about?

With Love
Eelco

[Catsquotl]

Google as my friend..
http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/gaia-reports-fourth-quarter-and-full-year-2016-results-2198914.htm

So that's 202.000 paid subscribers at the end of 2016. doubled from 133.000 at the end of 2015.
let's see if that works out.
4,095,000 streaming income over 3 months.
So that's 1.365.00 a month they make on just streaming.
divide by the subscription costs of 9,95 a month makes for 137.185 paid streaming subscription per month.

I'm guessing not every yoga enthusiast on there will buy into the DW/CG content.
So they are reaching say/guess/make up a figure of just over a 100.000 subscribers who are paying to find out/believe what they have to say.
I'd say we're good when it comes to discrediting the conspiracy err I mean truth seekers nation.

I truly believe that if we are on earth to learn stuff. Joining, getting disappointed and work through the aftermath of realizing you've been duped is a powerful tool on our way to authentic living. I wish those 100.000 deluded human beings all the best in coming to terms with it once they start to realize the holes in the CG story.

Hopefully they will like many here. Start thinking and researching for themselves.
Then we can start to take away their believes in chacra's ;) , Karmic retribution , benevolent gods , and steer them to a place of individual centered loving powers where it's ok to just BE.

[Flash]

wow i did not know fiction paid that much

crazier it is more money they make. From now on, I will be extremely suspect of alt gurus.

I just hope Wicock and Corey beileve in karmic retribution.....


Google as my friend..
http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/gaia-reports-fourth-quarter-and-full-year-2016-results-2198914.htm

So that's 202.000 paid subscribers at the end of 2016. doubled from 133.000 at the end of 2015.
let's see if that works out.
4,095,000 streaming income over 3 months.
So that's 1.365.00 a month they make on just streaming.
divide by the subscription costs of 9,95 a month makes for 137.185 paid streaming subscription per month.

I'm guessing not every yoga enthusiast on there will buy into the DW/CG content.
So they are reaching say/guess/make up a figure of just over a 100.000 subscribers who are paying to find out/believe what they have to say.
I'd say we're good when it comes to discrediting the conspiracy err I mean truth seekers nation.

I truly believe that if we are on earth to learn stuff. Joining, getting disappointed and work through the aftermath of realizing you've been duped is a powerful tool on our way to authentic living. I wish those 100.000 deluded human beings all the best in coming to terms with it once they start to realize the holes in the CG story.

Hopefully they will like many here. Start thinking and researching for themselves.
Then we can start to take away their believes in chacra's ;) , Karmic retribution , benevolent gods , and steer them to a place of individual centered loving powers where it's ok to just BE.

[Blue Mobius]

I will personally agree with every word in Rick's quote. To be very honest I have had come to terms with the fact that these so called insiders who seem to never have any real credentials are discrediting the whole UFO truth movement. It's a damn shame for those who work hard to deal in facts and good reasonable evidence. Being sincere in my words we also have to beware of those who chase these poeple with their cameras and microphones at every opportunity. There's a lot of bs out there and it's to bad that people actually chase it and pass it on. When I hear someone say they have been to
Mars the conversation is over.

[Bill Ryan]

When I read Corey's response to Bill's comments and didn't see a direct reply I stopped reading this thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1150306&viewfull=1#post1150306



I responded in the first Dark Journalist video. Clearly you didn't listen to it. :)

[Cidersomerset]

Hey Norman, have you heard anything about that event? Or rumors? Any idea how Corey was received etc?



The circus continues Corey is on for the first 20 mins......
Ep. 660 FADE to BLACK : Contact in the Desert 2017 : LIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9HhSz8pwEk

[Foxie Loxie]

Nice to see you back, Cider! :happythumbsup:

[UfonautRadio]

The new narrative from Church, CG and DW seems to be that the reason they are under more scrutiny now is proof that they are getting closer to disclosure... He told the audience that every time there is a negative comment to look at it that way.

Pretty nice spin, but we aren't that stupid are we??

[Whiskey_Mystic]

The new narrative from Church, CG and DW seems to be that the reason they are under more scrutiny now is proof that they are getting closer to disclosure... He told the audience that every time there is a negative comment to look at it that way.

Pretty nice spin, but we aren't that stupid are we??

Pretty standard response right out of the Conspiracy Club Personality Marketing Playbook, page 38. Always a good sign that what you are smelling came fresh out of a bull.

[Dylansdad]

Hey Norman, have you heard anything about that event? Or rumors? Any idea how Corey was received etc?



The circus continues Corey is on for the first 20 mins......
Ep. 660 FADE to BLACK : Contact in the Desert 2017 : LIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9HhSz8pwEk

Yes, Jimmy Church defends himself against critics who say he gives a platform to frauds by claiming that it is up to the listener to make up their own mind. The problem is that Jimmy does not just present people. He promotes them. His adoring attitude towards Corey Goode is an endorsement, regardless of what Jimmy may claim. He has stated that Corey is a good friend, as well as David Wilcock. When they are on his show, it is "bro" this and "dude" that, very much a bromance in action. If Jimmy was unbiased, he would politely present each guest without editorial comment. Instead, Jimmy goes out of his way to advertise his glowing adoration of certain guests, including Corey and Wilcock.

[norman]

The new narrative from Church, CG and DW seems to be that the reason they are under more scrutiny now is proof that they are getting closer to disclosure... He told the audience that every time there is a negative comment to look at it that way.

Pretty nice spin, but we aren't that stupid are we??

I don't really mind if CG's story is absolutely true from end to end, in fact I'd be thrilled to bits if it was. My only gripe is that there is a real research community that has not been given anything at all to work with. No evidence, nothing. While that is the case, the tearing effect between serious research and wishful thinking will either destroy us all ( in the face of a possible NWO style capturing fo the mass mind ) or liberate the serious researchers from the brown froth element and serve us well eventually.

I'm currently of the opinion that, without any evidence, we are in for a nasty mess. The instinct to be positive and spiritual is inside us all, I'm sure, and this gathering clan of believers is going to be very intimidating to the minds of people who are hanging on to justifiable standards of evidence. I expect that eventually, even the researchers will start falling out with each other.

It takes a LOT of yea-buts to hold on to the hand brake of this thing and no one wants to be seen as the party pooper all the time.

[Dylansdad]

The new narrative from Church, CG and DW seems to be that the reason they are under more scrutiny now is proof that they are getting closer to disclosure... He told the audience that every time there is a negative comment to look at it that way.

Pretty nice spin, but we aren't that stupid are we??

Not to get political, but isn't that the standard claim of the entire Trump administration? If everyone hates us, we must be doing something right. I once enjoyed Jimmy Church because (unlike George Noory) he can carry on a 2 hour conversation with each guest, rather than reading from a list of questions prepared by a staff. But he has become a shameless promoter of people like Goode and Wilcock. I find that I seldom listen anymore because doing so almost becomes an exercise in faith, as if Jimmy Church listeners are a secret cult of superior beings who know the truth. I believe Art Bell used that shtick also. (Recently, I was musing about Art Bell. After all those years of listening to him, I pondered how much actual truth did I gain from it. Very little, sad to say. I am still waiting for the "kill Shot" from Hale Bopp that Ed Dames promised us).

[Clear Light]

The circus continues Corey is on for the first 20 mins......
Ep. 660 FADE to BLACK : Contact in the Desert 2017 : LIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9HhSz8pwEk

So basically, it seems, Corey is sending out the message "we've got three years to do this all together" (if "we" want "Full Disclosure") and that the "way" to get "there" (within the timeframe) is through the principles of "one-ness" and "service-to-others" (there may be more IDK) otherwise "Disclosure" is unlikely eh ?

But even if "we fail" (at directing mass consciousness in the correct direction) his new series of Comic books (I suppose they could be called "Comical Disclosure" LOL) will at least be in the hands of some children so that's alright then eh ?

This is yet another example of the "carrot on a stick" trap eh ?


http://www.udaypai.in/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/carrot.png


The root of frustration which the civilized man feels today lies in the fact
that he lives not in the present moment but for the illusory future, the
future which is only a creation of brain and therefore a mere inference
based on memory, a futile abstraction at best.

Ramesh S. Balsekar

[Dylansdad]

I will personally agree with every word in Rick's quote. To be very honest I have had come to terms with the fact that these so called insiders who seem to never have any real credentials are discrediting the whole UFO truth movement. It's a damn shame for those who work hard to deal in facts and good reasonable evidence. Being sincere in my words we also have to beware of those who chase these poeple with their cameras and microphones at every opportunity. There's a lot of bs out there and it's to bad that people actually chase it and pass it on. When I hear someone say they have been to
Mars the conversation is over.

Supposedly, the growing edge of ufology is NOT serious research but instead Exopolitics, which requires a lot of faith in whatever anyone says. I see such a lack of discernment in some of the leading characters in that movement. Anyone could make up ANYTHING about aliens and Exopolitics would embrace that person to their bosom. Perhaps ufology is becoming a de facto religion. Even MUFON, which I always saw as the serious scientific research arm of ufology, now regularly schedules channelers and Space Brother/New Age Contactees at their local meetings. All is lost.....

[UfonautRadio]

CG has been open about not have one inch of proof about his story. He doesn't even know if it's true. The problem is that many folks find that part annoying, and get caught up the fantasy.

As far as Church being neutral, he is not, and the previous post points out why. Endorsing these people, and working events with them is not neutral. We might as well ask Ed Dames to get back into the fold...

[OMG]

Too many words, emotions, etc, in this thread...who can keep up with it all?

I keep reading "facts this and that..." :facepalm:

Let's simplify...surely someone has the time and ability to compile a concise sequential type list in one post that shows the "facts" that offer irrefutable "factual proof" against Corey.

That should settle the matter. While anything besides these "facts" would be merely perspectives and opinions.


:sherlock:

[norman]

No one has to prove anything AGAINST Corey.

Corey has to prove that we should take him seriously.

[OMG]

Here's the thing. There are people out here with real concerns. People looking for some truth. I am one of those people. I've been looking for the truth for a long time to get to the bottom of what the hell is going on

My general perspective is that if you can't prove something directly yourself then it's probably best not to get too worked up over it. And it might be wise not to spend too much time on it either. Although some people who have no direct experience are decent researchers and provide interesting results and conclusions.

I am also a huge personal and sovereign rights advocate and don't get into the victim or blame game as far as how others affect my searching. Yet no one likes liars or being mislead or any action that stuffless or stops our mutual rights as a free sovereign being. But I won't allow what others do to thwart my path or value, even if it means my death or those I love most dearly.

The spiritual path is most important for me because it's the most accurately personal, yet also broadest, overall significant, and potent of ALL topics. While the Alien/UFO, technology, paranormal, cryptic, secret or deep government and other related subjects are just points of interest or curiosities along the way.

:Angel:

[norman]

Here's the thing. There are people out here with real concerns. People looking for some truth. I am one of those people. I've been looking for the truth for a long time to get to the bottom of what the hell is going onMy general perspective is that if you can't prove something directly yourself then it's probably best not to get too worked up over it. And it might be wise not to spend too much time on it either. Although some people who have no direct experience are decent researchers and provide interesting results and conclusions.

I am also a huge personal and sovereign rights advocate and don't get into the victim or blame game as far as how others affect my searching. Yet no one likes liars or being mislead or any action that stuffless or stops our mutual rights as a free sovereign being. But I won't allow what others do to thwart my path or value, even if it mean my death or those I love most dearly.

The spiritual path is most important for me because it's the most accurately personal, yet also broadest, overall significant, and potent of ALL topics. While the Alien/UFO, technology, paranormal, cryptic, secret or deep government and other related subjects are just points of interest or curiosities along the way.

:Angel:

Thanks for that clear message of what matters to you OMG.

With your values I'm sure you will be as vigilant as any of us against any chance of being gathered into a 'sheep' fold by grand deception. It's hard to put into practise the things you hold most precious if we ever get so captured.

I don't want to be dark and pessimistic in reaction to what many may call my fear of being hoodwinked. I actually don't mind people having the freedom to go off to places like Contact in the Desert etc and have a fabulous weekend sharing wonderful stories with each other. My concern is the power that it could have to suck the entire society I and the rest of us live in into something that may have been setup as the gateway into the NWO sheep fold. Being grossly outnumbered by people who are no longer listening to reason, is not only scary, it's hopeless.

[UfonautRadio]

Here's the thing. There are people out here with real concerns. People looking for some truth. I am one of those people. I've been looking for the truth for a long time to get to the bottom of what the hell is going on

My general perspective is that if you can't prove something directly yourself then it's probably best not to get too worked up over it. And it might be wise not to spend too much time on it either. Although some people who have no direct experience are decent researchers and provide interesting results and conclusions.

I am also a huge personal and sovereign rights advocate and don't get into the victim or blame game as far as how others affect my searching. Yet no one likes liars or being mislead or any action that stuffless or stops our mutual rights as a free sovereign being. But I won't allow what others do to thwart my path or value, even if it mean my death or those I love most dearly.

The spiritual path is most important for me because it's the most accurately personal, yet also broadest, overall significant, and potent of ALL topics. While the Alien/UFO, technology, paranormal, cryptic, secret or deep government and other related subjects are just points of interest or curiosities along the way.

:Angel:

This sounds like the new age bull**** I hear all the time. We don't need to prove anything OMG. The claimant is the one responsible for doing that, especially when they're banking off it.

There are numerous emails within this thread, as well as hours of radio that point out the flaws in CG's stories. If you don't have time to read or listen then how could you try to make a point that's relevant?

[AutumnW]

Here's the thing. There are people out here with real concerns. People looking for some truth. I am one of those people. I've been looking for the truth for a long time to get to the bottom of what the hell is going on

My general perspective is that if you can't prove something directly yourself then it's probably best not to get too worked up over it. And it might be wise not to spend too much time on it either. Although some people who have no direct experience are decent researchers and provide interesting results and conclusions.

I am also a huge personal and sovereign rights advocate and don't get into the victim or blame game as far as how others affect my searching. Yet no one likes liars or being mislead or any action that stuffless or stops our mutual rights as a free sovereign being. But I won't allow what others do to thwart my path or value, even if it mean my death or those I love most dearly.

The spiritual path is most important for me because it's the most accurately personal, yet also broadest, overall significant, and potent of ALL topics. While the Alien/UFO, technology, paranormal, cryptic, secret or deep government and other related subjects are just points of interest or curiosities along the way.

:Angel:

Are you implying that the subject of Corey Goode's credibility is, "playing the blame game?" Why is that?
And how is the rest of your post relevant? I am honestly curious.

[AutumnW]

I will personally agree with every word in Rick's quote. To be very honest I have had come to terms with the fact that these so called insiders who seem to never have any real credentials are discrediting the whole UFO truth movement. It's a damn shame for those who work hard to deal in facts and good reasonable evidence. Being sincere in my words we also have to beware of those who chase these poeple with their cameras and microphones at every opportunity. There's a lot of bs out there and it's to bad that people actually chase it and pass it on. When I hear someone say they have been to
Mars the conversation is over.

Supposedly, the growing edge of ufology is NOT serious research but instead Exopolitics, which requires a lot of faith in whatever anyone says. I see such a lack of discernment in some of the leading characters in that movement. Anyone could make up ANYTHING about aliens and Exopolitics would embrace that person to their bosom. Perhaps ufology is becoming a de facto religion. Even MUFON, which I always saw as the serious scientific research arm of ufology, now regularly schedules channelers and Space Brother/New Age Contactees at their local meetings. All is lost.....

They are just following the money trail. Mufon was a fairly conservative outfit where diligent continuum types (aspergers) processed data. Meetings were dominated by nerds reciting measurements. So I guess they chose a different strategy by countering dry data. Unfortunately, from what you have described they haven't accomplished their goal by encouraging a more dynamic but credible approach, but by allowing their organization to be used by bull**** artists. Maybe they can't tell the difference between the exciting and credible and just plain crap.

[OMG]

CG has never said he can prove most of his experiences. But if people are interested in what he has to say and he makes a livelihood then that's capitalism, deal with it.

Who knows if he believes what he says, even if he claims so. Or if he is a liar, or is mind controlled. No one here does, although they'd like you to think they do. All that has been done is casting doubt on his credibility with a sort of he said-she said mentality. Or taking what he said (possibly) and putting an exclusive interpretation onto it.

Next, I don't see how his message hurts anyone except the negative secret agencies. In fact, his message is rather uplifting much of the time.

And when did anyone conveying their personal experiences need to provide you with satisfactory proof in order to share it? Can anyone of you verify my OBE experiences? No. But I had them and telling others about them may have value. In fact, I'd be inclined to suggest that people who haven't had volitonal OBE's are missing a type of valuable awareness which could contribute to their overall perspective. (Not to be confused with drug induced OBE type experiences, which is not as valuable IMO and a whole other topic.)

I'm no new ager. And as far as proof...everyone pro or con are claimants for their beliefs. CG as well as everyone here is being judged by each other in a way. From what I've read and heard about CG and from his skeptics I feel the claims against him are mostly a waste of time and short sighted.

And as far as victims. Let's face it. What can CG possibly do or have done that hurts me or anyone else who doesn't blindly follow it/him? Nothing. And for those that blindly follow or get hurt by him...well, they have issues that go beyond a CG.

So why all of the whining and hate? Until Bill or someone else provides a comprehensive factual list of provable claims showing irrefutably that CG has lied about this or that, etc, all I see are perspectives and opinions. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1155196&viewfull=1#post1155196

:happythumbsup:

[norman]

You say you can't see how Corey can hurt you. Ok, I accept that as your honest best shot at understanding the implications of what's going on here.

[Mike]

CG has never said he can prove most of his experiences. But if people are interested in what he has to say and he makes a livelihood then that's capitalism, deal with it.

Who knows if he believes what he says, even if he claims so. Or if he is a liar, or is mind controlled. No one here does, although they'd like you to think they do. All that has been done is casting doubt on his credibility with a sort of he said-she said mentality. Or taking what he said (possibly) and putting an exclusive interpretation onto it.

Next, I don't see how his message hurts anyone except the negative secret agencies. In fact, his message is rather uplifting much of the time.

And when did anyone conveying their personal experiences need to provide you with satisfactory proof in order to share it? Can anyone of you verify my OBE experiences? No. But I had them and telling others about them may have value. In fact, I'd be inclined to suggest that people who haven't had volitonal OBE's are missing a type of valuable awareness which could contribute to their overall perspective. (Not to be confused with drug induced OBE type experiences, which is not as valuable IMO and a whole other topic.)

I'm no new ager. And as far as proof...everyone pro or con are claimants for their beliefs. CG as well as everyone here is being judged by each other in a way. From what I've read and heard about CG and from his skeptics I feel the claims against him are mostly a waste of time and short sighted.

And as far as victims. Let's face it. What can CG possibly do or have done that hurts me or anyone else who doesn't blindly follow it/him? Nothing. And for those that blindly follow or get hurt by him...well, they have issues that go beyond a CG.

So why all of the whining and hate? Until Bill or someone else provides a comprehensive factual list of provable claims showing irrefutably that CG has lied about this or that, etc, all I see are perspectives and opinions. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1155196&viewfull=1#post1155196

:happythumbsup:



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[araucaria]

And as far as victims. Let's face it. What can CG possibly do or have done that hurts me or anyone else who doesn't blindly follow it/him? Nothing. And for those that blindly follow or get hurt by him...well, they have issues that go beyond a CG.
That’s a pretty heartless thing to say. You mean they don’t have anyone to give them a friendly warning to watch out for something that might be harmful?

So why all of the whining and hate?Your description: mine would be, as I just said, ‘a friendly warning to watch out for something that might be harmful’.

[Flash]

So why all of the whining and hate? Until Bill or someone else provides a comprehensive factual list of provable claims showing irrefutably that CG has lied about this or that, etc, all I see are perspectives and opinions. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1155196



has been done numerous times by numerous people. Some are just hard of hearing.

when you take off all beliefs, all of them, truth is what remains, linked to reality - and with hard of hearing humanity, stubborn and beliefs creating, accepting, dying for it, well, not much remains. Their lifes being based on lies.

All those willing to lie, consciously, are leading humanity astray. It is crucial in turning points of developing consciousness that lies be exposed so that evolution can proceed.

Corey is destroying the truth movement. And many others are. Quite simple isn't it?

When a friend of mine find and declare public funds embezllement, should she have kept quiet and not say anything? As the hidden world funds embezzlement is doing, which is harming all of us since we do not profit from our labor because it is stolen.

When my neighbour is stolen, his house robbed, should I not declare what I have seen so that he gets his things back or the thief is stopped from stealing others around?

Many alt people are stealing the truth from us and stealing money through their strategy to get our money, with a breeze of polluted air in exchange. Should'nt we declare what we see? Shouldn't we mention that the sheep in front of us is in fact a wolfe, beware?

Without hatred of course. This leads nowhere either.


But I won't allow what others do to thwart my path or value, even if it means my death or those I love most dearly.

The spiritual path is most important for me because it's the most accurately personal, yet also broadest, overall significant, and potent of ALL topics. While the Alien/UFO, technology, paranormal, cryptic, secret or deep government and other related subjects are just points of interest or curiosities along the way.

You see, you are plainly telling us here that you are ready to die for your beliefs (you used the term value, a value is belief based).

Well, I discovered no later than last summer that a belief system is a lie. Sometimes worthile, because it makes me progress, but to go further I have to get rid of it - a better word would be to let go of it. Then plain truth remains - and yes it hurts, not much remains.

You are right, spiritual path is the most important, and rejecting lies while helping our neighbours to see through lies as well is part of the path. The "curiosity along the way " has to be named as well, in order to proceed and go further.

This is my experience..

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, Flash. I would say ANY belief system is a lie, especially if we don't bother to research what has been stated & accept what other people tell us without questioning. Isn't that what a "religion" is? For centuries we have accepted what others have told us. There is a mainstream "science religion" as well; accepting the established version of history & scientific research. I agree, Flash, we need to keep moving along, continually researching! :highfive:

[Mike]

Here's a novel question:

Has anyone ever asked Corey why the "blue avians" won't reveal themselves to * a single other human being* on the planet??? Not even *one*??? Wouldnt the blue avian message be better served if there were several emissaries? Or dozens? Or hundreds? Just one seems awful limiting...

...of course we all know the answer to that one..

(Really, has he ever been asked that before?)

If nothing else, this whole fiasco has been worth it just to see so many people butchering Wilcock's last name (Wilcok, Wilcox, Wilcoc....ive even seen Wilcot). Poor bastard...he's never been more famous and people still don't know what the hell his name is.

If I ever meet jordan sather, the first thing im going to do is put him in a head lock and deliver the world's most humiliating noogie. And then I'm going to perform the Heimlich until he coughs up his ego.

One can only wonder what these people are thinking. For example, while corey's slicking back that greasy mullet of his every morning, I wonder whats going thru his mind as he's admiring his reflection in Wilcox enormous, shiny forehead??? Wilkok too, whats he thinking? As all this gets bigger and bigger, the inevitable fallout becomes riskier and riskier for all parties involved. Bubbles only do one thing....pop. this one will too. Just a matter of time.

[RunningDeer]

...all this gets bigger and bigger, the inevitable fallout becomes riskier and riskier for all parties involved. Bubbles only do one thing....pop. this one will too. Just a matter of time.

Corey’s got that covered. I can’t recall where I heard/read in one of his bazillion websites, blogs, vlogs, guest talks or TV. He explained that there’ll be much less contact here on out from the feathery blues. They want us to practice all the good stuff Corey brought back. (paraphrase)

If you ask me…it’s not much different from Robert Fulghum’s book, “All I Really Need To Know I Learned In Kindergarten”.


“These are the things I learned in Kindergarten"

1. Share everything.
2. Play fair.
3. Don't hit people.
4. Put things back where you found them.
5. CLEAN UP YOUR OWN MESS.
6. Don't take things that aren't yours.
7. Say you're SORRY when you HURT somebody.
8. Wash your hands before you eat.
9. Flush.
10. Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
11. Live a balanced life - learn some and drink some and draw some and paint some and sing and dance and play and work everyday some.
12. Take a nap every afternoon.
13. When you go out into the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands, and stick together.
14. Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: The roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that.
15. Goldfish and hamster and white mice and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we.
16. And then remember the Dick-and-Jane books and the first word you learned - the biggest word of all - LOOK.” 

Everything you need to know is in there somewhere. The Golden Rule and love and basic sanitation. Ecology and politics and equality and sane living.

Take any of those items and extrapolate it into sophisticated adult terms and apply it to your family life or your work or your government or your world and it holds true and clear and firm.

Think what a better world it would be if all - the whole world - had cookies and milk about three o'clock every afternoon and then lay down with our blankies for a nap. Or if all governments had a basic policy to always put thing back where they found them and to clean up their own mess.

And it is still true, no matter how old you are - when you go out into the world, it is best to hold hands and stick together.

© Robert Fulghum, 1990.
[free pdf (https://cpco.on.ca/files/9214/0182/6527/NeedToKnow.pdf)]


For those unfamiliar with Dick, Jane, Spot and Sally:


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/see_spot_run.jpg


One more from me.

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/dick-and-jane2.jpg

♡

[Mike]

Okay...I see. He's slowly phasing them out to eliminate any sort of pressure he might receive to produce them to a group or something (" i'd love to introduce them to you guys, but theyre gone now...")

..insert world's biggest face palm emoji here....

I mean, its a transparent strategy to anyone with half a brain...but it's clear he has strategized several steps ahead.....and his die hards will swallow it hook line n sinker...

Btw, I especially like #12: take a nap every afternoon.;)

[RunningDeer]

..insert world's biggest face palm emoji here....
Btw, I especially like #12: take a nap every afternoon.;)
I like #10 - warm cookies and cold milk. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/s-good-night.gif

World's biggest face palm emoji (custom made blue) + one.


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/blue-facepalm.jpg


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/nose.jpg

[Chester]

And as far as victims. Let's face it. What can CG possibly do or have done that hurts me or anyone else who doesn't blindly follow it/him? Nothing. And for those that blindly follow or get hurt by him...well, they have issues that go beyond a CG.
That’s a pretty heartless thing to say. You mean they don’t have anyone to give them a friendly warning to watch out for something that might be harmful?

So why all of the whining and hate?Your description: mine would be, as I just said, ‘a friendly warning to watch out for something that might be harmful’.

...and this is the whole point OMG. The entire point. And so I ask very directly, does the well being of the vulnerable matter to you?

[Chester]

Corey’s got that covered. I can’t recall where I heard/read in one of his bazillion websites, blogs, vlogs, guest talks or TV. He explained that there’ll be much less contact here on out from the feathery blues. They want us to practice all the good stuff Corey brought back. (paraphrase)

When he was ruling the TOT forum (in the late spring of 2015) and suddenly he started experiencing some serious push back, he suddenly announced that the Blue Avians declared that humanity was not yet ready for 'disclosure' and so they (the Blue Avians) extended 'disclosure' out into the future by 50 years. Corey was what... about 45 years old then? That would make him what... 95? He's no dummy, he knows the odds he's around then are almost zero.

[Gemma13]

Has anyone ever asked Corey why the "blue avians" won't reveal themselves to * a single other human being* on the planet??? Not even *one*??? Wouldnt the blue avian message be better served if there were several emissaries? Or dozens? Or hundreds? Just one seems awful limiting...

...of course we all know the answer to that one..

(Really, has he ever been asked that before?)

The following are more Corey responses:

FAQ # 94, 68, 64, 60, 47, 28
https://www.spherebeingalliance.com/faqs


Oh and FAQ # 67 is worth a look. Excerpt:
“One should use their discernment and treat all info (From all sources) as potential disinfo until proof is seen. I agree with that.”

As is FAQ #83 Excerpt:
“If you are thinking of coming forward with information and become an anonymous or open whistle blower please Contact Myself, David Wilcock or Michael Salla to make sure you will be handled in an ETHICAL and secure manner.”

Any whistleblowers wannabe handled? I hear it’s a pretty lucrative gig!

[OMG]

You say you can't see how Corey can hurt you. Ok, I accept that as your honest best shot at understanding the implications of what's going on here.

Thank you.

:)

[OMG]

And as far as victims. Let's face it. What can CG possibly do or have done that hurts me or anyone else who doesn't blindly follow it/him? Nothing. And for those that blindly follow or get hurt by him...well, they have issues that go beyond a CG.
That’s a pretty heartless thing to say. You mean they don’t have anyone to give them a friendly warning to watch out for something that might be harmful?

So why all of the whining and hate?Your description: mine would be, as I just said, ‘a friendly warning to watch out for something that might be harmful’.

Anyone who has read my posts here for years can clearly see that I'm not heartless.

You, me, Bill, CG or anyone who only relays information with good intent (since his message is exactly that, even if everyone wishes to believe that it's fabricated or not) cannot be held responsible for any harm followers may generate. These people are following simple causative results to their psychological defects or oversights and thus project out instead of looking within. We can feel bad for such people. But observing what is factually happening has nothing to do with being heartless.

There is a common denominator from many of the skeptics here that clearly shows their nature and it has nothing to do with being "friendly". Just look at the way these people write and respond. It's unfortunate and I stand by my description as self evident. And although I am no Jesus even he chastised and even got angry at times.

[Rawhide68]

I agree, as years have past, I´ve seen Dave go more and more desperate. What I thought was desperate for getting the truth out to us. But from what it seems colaberating with Corey, desperate to make us believers and cash in on it ? . I have no clue what to think of Dave W anymore.

[OMG]

So why all of the whining and hate? Until Bill or someone else provides a comprehensive factual list of provable claims showing irrefutably that CG has lied about this or that, etc, all I see are perspectives and opinions. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1155196



has been done numerous times by numerous people. Some are just hard of hearing.

when you take off all beliefs, all of them, truth is what remains, linked to reality - and with hard of hearing humanity, stubborn and beliefs creating, accepting, dying for it, well, not much remains. Their lifes being based on lies.

All those willing to lie, consciously, are leading humanity astray. It is crucial in turning points of developing consciousness that lies be exposed so that evolution can proceed.

Corey is destroying the truth movement. And many others are. Quite simple isn't it?

When a friend of mine find and declare public funds embezllement, should she have kept quiet and not say anything? As the hidden world funds embezzlement is doing, which is harming all of us since we do not profit from our labor because it is stolen.

When my neighbour is stolen, his house robbed, should I not declare what I have seen so that he gets his things back or the thief is stopped from stealing others around?

Many alt people are stealing the truth from us and stealing money through their strategy to get our money, with a breeze of polluted air in exchange. Should'nt we declare what we see? Shouldn't we mention that the sheep in front of us is in fact a wolfe, beware?

Without hatred of course. This leads nowhere either.


But I won't allow what others do to thwart my path or value, even if it means my death or those I love most dearly.

The spiritual path is most important for me because it's the most accurately personal, yet also broadest, overall significant, and potent of ALL topics. While the Alien/UFO, technology, paranormal, cryptic, secret or deep government and other related subjects are just points of interest or curiosities along the way.

You see, you are plainly telling us here that you are ready to die for your beliefs (you used the term value, a value is belief based).

Well, I discovered no later than last summer that a belief system is a lie. Sometimes worthile, because it makes me progress, but to go further I have to get rid of it - a better word would be to let go of it. Then plain truth remains - and yes it hurts, not much remains.

You are right, spiritual path is the most important, and rejecting lies while helping our neighbours to see through lies as well is part of the path. The "curiosity along the way " has to be named as well, in order to proceed and go further.

This is my experience..

1. You lost me. What's been done many times by numerous people?

This article clearly vindicates CG from Bill's accusations and I have yet to see a written rebuttal to this or ANY attempt to systematically label the so-called lies of CG that haven't already been shot down. http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html?m=1

However, I just noticed this post from Bill not long ago. Although he didn't provide a link to the interview he was referring to. And so I don't know how accurately it follows and addresses CG rebuttal. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1155111&viewfull=1#post1155111


2. How is CG destroying the "truth" movement? First, he never claimed that his information was provable. Only that others would eventually come out to support various parts of his expericnes and claims. William Thompkins being one such highly credible person. Further, truth is a broad topic that doesn't necessarily mean socially provable or even dealing in facts. Regardless, CG has put everything on the line to come forward and relay his experiences. While people debate if what he says is true, or his credibility, he none the less is conveying "his truth", subjective as it may be. And I clearly see such people as truthers.

Here's a good summary of types of truth, etc. Starts around 6:15 of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmhFYQnlKB4

3. Suggesting any of us has anything other than a "beLIEf" can be seen as just a play on words. Here's a fun link on "beliefs". http://trufax.org/general/beliefsystems.html

All of our thinking and actions are relative and partial. No ones Absolutely knows anything. Yet none the less we must act in good conscience based on the information we have. And because the moment-to-moment of life IS...we act relatively but with with certainty. So what I'm saying here regarding death is simple. Since no one knows when they will die as long as a person speaks the truth according to what they perceive it is they can die at any moment with a clear conscience.

Liars, on the other hand, are something else all together. And as far as CG I have yet to see any factual irrefutable proof that he has lied.

[Rawhide68]

I like the blue colour, just a beak and some feathers to perfect it :D

[Mike]

So why all of the whining and hate? Until Bill or someone else provides a comprehensive factual list of provable claims showing irrefutably that CG has lied about this or that, etc, all I see are perspectives and opinions. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1155196



has been done numerous times by numerous people. Some are just hard of hearing.

when you take off all beliefs, all of them, truth is what remains, linked to reality - and with hard of hearing humanity, stubborn and beliefs creating, accepting, dying for it, well, not much remains. Their lifes being based on lies.

All those willing to lie, consciously, are leading humanity astray. It is crucial in turning points of developing consciousness that lies be exposed so that evolution can proceed.

Corey is destroying the truth movement. And many others are. Quite simple isn't it?

When a friend of mine find and declare public funds embezllement, should she have kept quiet and not say anything? As the hidden world funds embezzlement is doing, which is harming all of us since we do not profit from our labor because it is stolen.

When my neighbour is stolen, his house robbed, should I not declare what I have seen so that he gets his things back or the thief is stopped from stealing others around?

Many alt people are stealing the truth from us and stealing money through their strategy to get our money, with a breeze of polluted air in exchange. Should'nt we declare what we see? Shouldn't we mention that the sheep in front of us is in fact a wolfe, beware?

Without hatred of course. This leads nowhere either.


But I won't allow what others do to thwart my path or value, even if it means my death or those I love most dearly.

The spiritual path is most important for me because it's the most accurately personal, yet also broadest, overall significant, and potent of ALL topics. While the Alien/UFO, technology, paranormal, cryptic, secret or deep government and other related subjects are just points of interest or curiosities along the way.

You see, you are plainly telling us here that you are ready to die for your beliefs (you used the term value, a value is belief based).

Well, I discovered no later than last summer that a belief system is a lie. Sometimes worthile, because it makes me progress, but to go further I have to get rid of it - a better word would be to let go of it. Then plain truth remains - and yes it hurts, not much remains.

You are right, spiritual path is the most important, and rejecting lies while helping our neighbours to see through lies as well is part of the path. The "curiosity along the way " has to be named as well, in order to proceed and go further.

This is my experience..

1. You lost me. What's been done many times by numerous people?

This article clearly vindicates CG from Bill's accusations and I have yet to see a written rebuttal to this or ANY attempt to systematically label the so-called lies of CG that haven't already been shot down. http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html?m=1

However, I just noticed this post from Bill not long ago. Although he didn't provide a link to the interview he was referring to. And so I don't know how accurately it follows and addresses CG rebuttal. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1155111&viewfull=1#post1155111


2. How is CG destroying the "truth" movement? First, he never claimed that his information was provable. Only that others would eventually come out to support various parts of his expericnes and claims. William Thompkins being one such highly credible person. Further, truth is a broad topic that doesn't necessarily mean socially provable or even dealing in facts. Regardless, CG has put everything on the line to come forward and relay his experiences. While people debate if what he says is true, or his credibility, he none the less is conveying "his truth", subjective as it may be. And I clearly see such people as truthers.

Here's a good summary of types of truth, etc. Starts around 6:15 of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmhFYQnlKB4

3. Suggesting any of us has anything other than a "beLIEf" can be seen as just a play on words. Here's a fun link on "beliefs". http://trufax.org/general/beliefsystems.html

All of our thinking and actions are relative and partial. No ones Absolutely knows anything. Yet none the less we must act in good conscience based on the information we have. And because the moment-to-moment of life IS...we act relatively but with with certainty. So what I'm saying here regarding death is simple. Since no one knows when they will die as long as a person speaks the truth according to what they perceive it is they can die at any moment with a clear conscience.

Liars, on the other hand, are something else all together. And as far as CG I have yet to see any factual irrefutable proof that he has lied.



Let me try to help you here:

The events Corey describes either happened or they did not happen. In this way they are either true or false. He is either lying or he is telling the truth.

To date, he has offered not a shred of evidence to suggest even a fraction of it is true.

Whether events occur or do not occur fall under the umbrella of "absolute truth". I could tell you that the presidential election was yesterday and argue that thats my "relative truth", but it would mean nothing, except that maybe i'm delusional or a pathological liar.

This is very simple.

[Clear Light]

...all this gets bigger and bigger, the inevitable fallout becomes riskier and riskier for all parties involved. Bubbles only do one thing....pop. this one will too. Just a matter of time.

Corey’s got that covered. I can’t recall where I heard/read in one of his bazillion websites, blogs, vlogs, guest talks or TV. He explained that there’ll be much less contact here on out from the feathery blues. They want us to practice all the good stuff Corey brought back. (paraphrase)

Yes, indeed he has got that covered ... I picked up on that too, how convenient eh ? :wink:


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At 17:37 onwards, Corey says :


Now during this time period, a lot of my, um, visits with them are gonna start to wane a little bit, they want, err, they want a lot of people to re-focus, not you know, focus so much on them, and trying to, um, pray to them and call out to them, but they want us to focus on ourselves ... and another thing that they wanted was that everyone that identified with this message ...

Because surely with all his new projects on the "up and up" he'll no longer have the time to act as their chosen delegate ... :bigsmile:


Goode continues his IE work now and remains in direct physical contact with the Blue Avians (of the Sphere Being Alliance) who have chosen him as a delegate to interface with multiple ET Federations and Councils on their behalf, liaison with the SSP Alliance Council, and deliver important messages to humanity.

The above quote from the The Ufology World Congress (https://www.theufologyworldcongress.com/) website which is advertising Corey as one of their Speakers at their three day event in Spain later this coming September !

[Cidersomerset]

These may have been already posted , a couple of interviews for those who want
some listening on the subject from two individuals involved from their personal
view and perspective not necessary fact as people can interpret experiences
differently and may or may not connect the dots , so take the info in concert with
your own experiences on the forum and life in general as little is black and
white in this reality as with Ufology in general there are 50 shades of 'greys' and
other entities, mixed with mis information and all sorts of disinformation and
just ' wonderful human creator ' imagination....imo

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Christine Anderson: Cult Of Personality-The Evolution Of Corey Goode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEvUey6kqOw

Published on 18 May 2017

OffPlanet Radio goes to the primary source for a deep look into the emergence of an
alternative media cult figure. Corey Goode went from unemployed IT worker, medicated,
repressed, and in poverty, to a media cottage industry with a TV series on Gaia(M) TV
and a lucrative slot on the conference circuit.

Christine Anderson's article and narrative of the Corey Goode story:
http://bit.ly/2cultofgoode

Claiming he was a childhood recruit of the "Secret Space Program"", Goode. long with
David Wilcock and Dr. Michael Salla, began talking about an offworld race, The Blue Avians,
one of five groups of beings collectively called The Sphere Alliance. Goode currently travels,
speaking about "the message of the Blue Avians for humanity"...Is he legit---or a product
of intelligence agencies and opportunistic media handlers?

A conversation with Christine Anderson, who was an admin on the Project Avalon Forums during
the time the person now known as Corey Goode was emerging. In September of 2014, she
conducted an informal talk with Goode at his home, recording the conversation that was later
released as the first interview.

As Christine describes, there were dramatic changes in Goode's story, as well as his demeanor.
Then there were ensuing dramas that spilled over into other online groups, personal lives, and
the online disclosure community, as the once reticent Goode became an online tyrant. In the
background, a war of egos and the deals that launched a media career.

Christine Anderson is a successful entrepreneur, healer, remote viewer, and coach, who writes
and produces her videos, interviews, and words of encouragement from http://earthempaths.net/

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Shane The Ruiner: The Evolution Of Corey Goode-Part 2-After Avalon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI8ogW9136k

Published on 22 May 2017

Shane Bales, The Ruiner, and Randy Maugans cover the continued development of the
media creation that is the Blue Avians-Secret Space Program entertainment franchise.
Post-Avalon , the forum wars, the entrance of David Wilcock as he looks for his next
vein of material, Gaia(m) TV, and the mechanics of intelligence operations that run
through the so-called "alternative media" communities.

Shane's blog and podcasts can be found at:
http://thewholeworldlaughing.blogspot...

The PDF of deleted, altered forum posts and interactions by/with Corey Goode from April-May 2015 (160 ppg.):
http://bit.ly/cgforumposts

[araucaria]

Let me try to help you here:

The events Corey describes either happened or they did not happen. In this way they are either true or false. He is either lying or he is telling the truth.

There is another way of discerning truth from fiction here, OMG, let me help you some more. Sam Hunter has stately as plainly as anyone could that he has caught Goode telling multiple lies. This means that if Goode is in any way right, then Sam is lying. Sam is not lying: deal with it.

Sam is someone who has actually personally interacted with Goode. They are both from Dallas, and for all we know, they may actually be personally acquainted; you get my drift, may actually have sat down together in situations likely to generate concrete instances of truthfulness and/or lies – not just pixels on a screen as Goode is for the likes of myself. Sam is also someone who is truthful to a fault; his own personal details that he has supplied consistently over the years, many of them documented, bear the hallmarks of truth. They are not attractive, rather the opposite in fact (notably regarding substance abuse), and definitely not attention-seeking on a large scale. They are neither self-indulgent nor self-deprecatory, simply statements of unpalatable fact to be dealt with, and shared in the spirit of ‘friendly warning’ I mentioned early, and more generally, quite simply in the spirit of friendliness that, when it takes control of human interactions, will reduce or solve most of our really big problems. This is personal disclosure to whomever it may interest, not some universal decree of cosmic disclosure. Maybe you can see the difference between the two. One approach is humble and empowering, basically saying ‘maybe you can help me’; maybe you can, maybe you can’t, but the very process of reaching out is part of the solution. The other approach is arrogant and disempowering, basically stating ‘I can help you (and no one else can)’. It is a one true religion, a priesthood. Goode is presenting himself as a pope, i.e. a ‘vicar of Christ/whatever’ and sole route to salvation – a well-tried and well-tested failed solution. People like to quote JFK: ‘ask not what your country can do for you, rather ask what you can do for your country’ – it is not an empty slogan, it applies here.

I really did not need to mention Sam Hunter in the above, since the two different approaches are exemplified by Goode himself, creating this major discrepancy noted by Bill and others between Avalon member GoodeTxsg and his subsequent avatar. That is a procedural issue independent of the substantive issues that has to be addressed first. A person with integrity does not flake off into CG 1 and CG 2. This is as verifiable as comparing two star maps: if it moves, it is not a star, it is something else. It has nothing whatsoever to do with something as trivial as playing on words, unless you think that someone called Goode has to be doing good and does not deserve to be exCoreyated.

If you fail to see how all this is destroying the alternative media, then look no further than the Avalon forum itself. We are talking about two mutually incompatible stances which a united community has to choose between. ‘Unity in community’ is an empty slogan if it is itself founded on disunity. That choice was made back in 2014, and any subsequent attempt to question its wisdom has the effect, if not the intention, of seeking to divide the forum. In other words, it is undermining each individual member’s very reason for belonging. And that of course includes you, OMG. You are sitting on the fence with an important choice to make.

[ThePythonicCow]

Sam is someone who has actually personally interacted with Goode. They are both from Dallas
I am also from the Dallas area. I have personally interacted with both Sam Hunter and Corey Goode, as well as observed them on the Avalon forum over whatever portion of the last six years they have been active here. I concur with your appraisal :).

Barry Goldwater, an American politician in the last century, once said "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

I would remind you now, OMG, that dissent in the defense of integrity is no vice, and that unity in support of deceit is no virtue.

[Blue Mobius]

I feel that it's safe to say that the alternative media deals in just as much fake news as main stream media. The world of conspiracy in my view is becoming another entertainment venue excluding those who are sincere in their efforts and present themselves with legitament veracity. Aka Jim Mars, Rich Dolan, and the few good men of truth out there who take the spotlight for a humble moment. I enjoy listening to David Wilcock but do I really believe everything he says? No and I take most of it with a grain of salt as I hope most would. Corey Goode is no different. Certainly there is a truth out there that is far stranger than any fiction one can conjure up. However, we are moving backwards if we seek this truth with no method of critical thinking, questioning of outlandish claims, and acceptence of theory without actual evidence.

[Gemma13]

https://www.spherebeingalliance.com/faqs

FAQ # 87
Excerpt:
It is amazing how quickly people can invent things in their minds, it becomes reality to them and they turn on you. It is actually more than a little creepy.
:juggle:
Also in FAQ # 87 is Corey’s blurb on people who live in his area and those trying to discredit him.

Excerpt:
I have one such individual that lives in my own city that was a "friend of a friend" and asked to meet me (Who I later found out was hearing voices and thought Draco were putting suicidal thoughts in their head). In the meeting it came up in conversation that we knew a common person that I had an issue with that they were fiercely loyal to. Since that time this person has become so obsessed with attacking me in forums and other sites (They have their own war campaign going on and are in such a long term reactionary state to where they absolutely cannot control their behavior) that I have had to make a policy not to meet people who live near where I do.

[Catsquotl]

I saw a comments today which stated "this thing is taking of like a rocket" expressed wit the wish to break it wide open.
Having found some numbers about the gaia streaming subscriptions I figured what about the freebee subscriptions on you tube..
Gaia: 120.180
David wilcock: 95.156
Sphere being alliance: 31.941

individual views per vid.
Not even as high as i would have thought.
Roughly 100.000 per vif with one or two reaching 150.000 for the corey goode stuff

David wilcock is doing better with some vids that have been up for months.
reaching 500.000.

Still. In my mind not the game changing (although well advertised ) disclosure.

With Love
Eelco

[Atlas]

"Blue Avians" do not exist. They are and have always been used as part of a mind control program specifically for members inside Secret Space Programs, Cloning Programs and Culture Creator programs. (Katy Perry has been in contact with the Blue Avians, as has Lady Gaga, as example) [...]

One female I have been training for the past couple months came forward with this story:



She was sitting at home when she felt compelled to walk outside. She was taken by an orb in OBE form to a meeting with what are being called Sphere Beings (which are not beings at all but I will comment on them another time) two other ET groups and Blue Avians. She was then told how the Blue Avians would be contacting others and would give each who they do contact a phrase they can identify each other with. She was told she was chosen to be a delegate for the Sphere Being Alliance (there's that Alliance word we created popping up again).

She was also told by her superiors within her program that this program had been run on most Secret Space Program members who are no longer active within their programs. They were chosen this way because they are easily discarded if the need arises.

http://theruiner777.blogspot.com/2015/03/avians.html
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"pw: BLUEBIRD" unearths entire log of Coalescence Corp. simulations (http://www.gamezone.com/news/secret-call-of-duty-black-ops-3-website-discovered-3415670)
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Shown briefly in the video was a link to a website for a company in the trailer that focuses on human modification through technology. Discovered in the source code for that website was a password: "bluebird". Interestingly, the Bluebird was also shown very briefly in the trailer.

http://download.gamezone.com/uploads/image/data/1181581/Bluebird.JPG

Turns out, Activision and Treyarch have created a tumblr (enhanceyourselfforabettertomorrow.info) for the game, protected by a password. When you enter "BLUEBIRD" (caps a requirement) into the field, you are granted access to what appears to be a "Simulated Cognitive Compatibility Assessment".

https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/callofduty/images/0/0e/VERSION_Cover.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/548?cb=20150705133850

[Catsquotl]

Current world population.
7.507.438.450
Taking the best vid and add some to get say 750.000 views??
That would make 0,0099900918934607 percent of the world population who cares about this stuff.

The 750.00 is about a 100.000 over the best watched video from david wilcock
the Sphere being alliance doesn't even come close to that figure..

I don't know what is needed for a 100th monkey effect.
But this really isn't that big of an issue when it comes to discrediting the Truth Movement.

With Love
Eelco

[Catsquotl]

Turns out, Activision and Treyarch have created a tumblr (enhanceyourselfforabettertomorrow.info) for the game, protected by a password. When you enter "BLUEBIRD" (caps a requirement) into the field, you are granted access to what appears to be a "Simulated Cognitive Compatibility Assessment".


Appears because it reads like the storybook for a game.

Zurich, 2063

Welcome to Turicum, opening night, list-and-augs only.

Don’t worry, I’m on the list.
Also on three different aug lists, but those are way pricier than bottle-service.
Mitzi’s talking. Because she’s always talking. My little sister, Mitzi-the-Wiki, boosted her cog capacities a month ago and might have the whole ****ing internet in her head. Says “Turicum” was Zurich’s maiden name, our town’s title back when we still spoke Latin and served as a Roman tax outpost. Now it’s the name of the nightclub we find ourselves in queue for, the promoters who fled Singapore after You-Know-What having named their shiny new temple to excess in honor of Zurich’s empiric origins.
At long last, the time of togas has returned.


And then it goes on and on..

With Love
Eelco

[Foxie Loxie]

When has pure LOGIC been able to convince anyone of anything?!! :idea:

[Catsquotl]

When has pure LOGIC been able to convince anyone of anything?!! :idea:

Well.. ehmm. Never?
Even when we think it did, there was some measure of wanting involved.
The reason I put up the numbers is to set those minds at ease that are worried too many people are falling for what Goodey has to share.
I agree that every mind falling for it is one too many, but luckily the numbers are still quite low.(I want them to be low too so there's my wanting in this logic..)

If I remember it i'll check them again few months from now.
With Love
Eelco

[RunningDeer]

The following are more Corey responses:

FAQ # 94, 68, 64, 60, 47, 28
https://www.spherebeingalliance.com/faqs

I can only tolerate Corey’s stuff for a quick skim. Not long ago I stopped by my old bookstore. There use to be whole sections dedicated to New Age. Now there’s only a few shelves way in the back. The only market left for him to infiltrate is the kids.

{snip}

Question #64: Why have "I" not been brought in front of the Avians or any of the counsels for that matter. After all "I" would like to know why they are hesitating in this matter.


Answer: The answer to that question is most likely in the tone and way the question was presented. I added the quotation around "I" in the question to make a point.

The BA's are not looking to make contact or be contacted by curious people or people locked up  in their ego's. They do not want people to begin to worship them or to create a cult or religion out of their message (They stated this has occurred three times prior). They do not want anyone who claims to be in contact with them misrepresenting their information or hijacking their message for personal gain or ego.

This is the reason THEY created a protocol for those of us in contact with them to know each other by. Otherwise anyone could say "I am in contact with the BA's" and then begin to start web sites and start a whole new narrative based on their belief systems and draw attention to themselves. I already receive over a dozen emails per week of people stating they are in contact with the BA's and give wild guesses as to what the "Formal Greeting" is.

As stated prior there are a number of people that are being brought up to SSP Alliance Council Conferences and to Spheres to meet with the 5 different Sphere Being Alliance Groups on a regular basis. Most of these people are "Wanderers" and "Star Seeds”.

There has been one trollish individual that is upset that I didn't answer Question 47 to their liking. They wanted to know how to contact the Blue Avians. They did not get the point of my answer. That point being that we should not be seeking them out but should be working on what they presented in their "Message" (Which are tenants of many religions). To change the world one person at a time (Ourselves) by becoming more loving, forgiving and focusing on becoming STO, raising our vibrations and consciousness.

[Flash]

Running Deer: I can only tolerate Corey’s stuff for a quick skim

same here....

[Jake]

Running Deer: I can only tolerate Corey’s stuff for a quick skim

same here....

It's been that way for me from the beginning... I checked out quite early.. I never really could make heads or tails of what he was saying... I'm sure there are screenshots from his blog that he had when he left Avalon.. Anyone who still thinks his message is about Unity should check those babies out.. I can't even look at a picture of him.. This guy was spitting hate and vitriol at Avalon, Bill and members constantly,, while claiming that everyone is out to get him.. This was well before any word about him being the Messiah...

Jake

[Chester]

Excerpt:
I have one such individual that lives in my own city that was a "friend of a friend" and asked to meet me (Who I later found out was hearing voices and thought Draco were putting suicidal thoughts in their head). In the meeting it came up in conversation that we knew a common person that I had an issue with that they were fiercely loyal to. Since that time this person has become so obsessed with attacking me in forums and other sites (They have their own war campaign going on and are in such a long term reactionary state to where they absolutely cannot control their behavior) that I have had to make a policy not to meet people who live near where I do.

I am this individual and so I will clarify what Corey has gotten wrong.
Note first - Everything I am about to state is 100% true, I can prove much of it as I still have all the skype chats on my Skype where anyone can use remote desktop to log in and look for themselves. Just like I still have the e-mail that Corey sent to me on April 18, 2015 where he shares the lengthy Skype Chat he had with Shane (which appears to have occurred on March 6, 2015) from which the screenshot shown in the OP post of this thread…

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode

…and which also appears at time marker 1:11:49 in the Dark Journalist interview with Bill Ryan (Part 1) here – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qApt0XhbS0E

... a screenshot Corey is on record stating (well after April 18, 2015 by the way) was altered (implying altered by Shane) and yet and which I will show a screenshot of here of that portion of the e-mail and which was sent to both myself and Christine Anderson (along with a separate e-mail where Corey identified Shane as not just the Ruiner but also as a member of the band known as Unraveling).
Here is the screenshot of this e-mail and then a wider screenshot showing the last two characters of the e-mail address that it was sent from which was Corey’s unseen.is account that he used at that time. Christine Anderson can verify that this indeed all true.

Screenshot 1

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Screenshot 2

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What will soon follow on this thread will be quite a bit more information related to the above quote and I thank Gemma13 for bringing it to this thread as I would not have discovered it otherwise.

[robcarratello]

Quoted from post #483:

"As stated prior there are a number of people that are being brought up to SSP Alliance Council Conferences and to Spheres to meet with the 5 different Sphere Being Alliance Groups on a regular basis. Most of these people are "Wanderers" and "Star Seeds”."

Does anyone else think these new recruits will be teenagers/ young adults? There's a Dark Journalist Special Update video focusing on that demographic being exploited by Goode/ Wilcock/ Gaia, etc.

[Chester]

The reason Corey sent this to Christine and I was because the day before I had met with Corey and it was at this meeting where I happened to speak up about three or four folks who I held in very high regard where one of those was Shane.

A little quick background... I met Shane on or about January 3, 2015 when he PM'd me about this thread I started -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78593-Simon-Parkes-personal-reflections-upon...&highlight=Simon+Parkes

We soon began a wonderful relationship where we were able to engage in two lengthy chats around January 9th and 10th which were life changing for me personally. In fact, I copied all the chats I had with Shane to a WORD document and those first two chats filled over 100 pages. I have near 3,000 pages of chat with Shane.

So now to the point. When I mentioned Shane to Corey, Corey suddenly recoiled and asked, "Shane from Canada?" I said, yes... "Shane from Toronto, Canada." His next words were - "Shane's the Ruiner!"

And so note that this post was made on Shane's The Ruiner Blog at 11:44 PM on March 28, 2015 -

http://theruiner777.blogspot.com/2015/03/avians.html

And note that my meeting with Corey was April 16, 2015 which was about 19 days later.

And note that when Corey told me that Shane was The Ruiner, that was the very first moment I actually thought that was actually possible as Shane had never mentioned a word about that to me as clearly I was not part of "the intended audience."

And I told Corey I had no idea but because I was a participant at that time on the One Truth forum and because I had become an avid reader of Ria's thread which featured the blog posts of the Ruiner... it all dawned on me all at once why Corey would be at odds with Shane because Shane (The Ruiner) had made a mockery of the whole Blue Avian meme.

So that next night (Friday April 17, 2015) I asked Shane on chat if he in fact was... the Ruiner and he said indeed he was. I asked why he hadn't told me and he explained that I wasn't part of the intended audience.

The next day I receieved two e-mails from Corey, both sent to both Christine Anderson and I where in the first he highlighted and bolded in red everything Shane had chatted that Corey felt was damning which was a clear attempt to "damage control" the situation.

And a day later (Sunday, April 19, 2015) Corey and I spoke through Skype and this is when Corey told me I had to make a choice... either I could be Shane's friend, or his, but that if I continued to have a relationship with Shane, he would end the one with me.

And so I wrote Corey this e-mail -

Hi Corey…

Today when we spoke, I believe you said that if I continued a relationship with Shane, you feel you would have to end the brief one you have had with me.

If this is actually what you said then it is important I let you know that I am unable to end my relationship with Shane and for many reasons.

But of all reasons, the number one reason is that I am friends with everyone. I always have my door open to all beings. I love all expressions of life and understand that beings make mistakes as I hope they understand that I have made many, many mistakes.

I respect your view that Shane is an “Illuminati” operative. And I heard you mention his training (I forgot what you call it). I sense that what you are saying by this is that I am being “played” by a master manipulator. If this is the case, then I will eventually find out and perhaps the hard way, but what is most important to me is that I stand by the principles attached to the paradigm I wish we all enter into. I also honor that you feel exposure if I continue to chat/speak with Shaynard.

I can’t take sides.

I respect your perception of what transpired between you and Shane. When I attempt to place myself in your shoes, I imagine the traumas you have experienced and how those traumas can generate a much more cautionary stance with regards to others.

Yet I am torn up inside that I would have to “choose” and this is the position I feel I have been placed.

So the bottom line is that though we only just began to know each other… and that if you really knew me, you would know my next statement is true – All I wanted was to be a friend for you because I imagined you had none. That is it.

And in this regard… nothing has changed.

[I then must extract the next portion of the mail as I reference something that he had shared with me - which in fact began our relationship and not what he has implied - Corey's lie that I was a "friend of a friend" - suggesting this is how we were introduced.

I will leave this portion out for now because this portion would require me to divulge things I am not at the point (yet) that I would... and in fact, hope that I never do because it involves other people who probably are better served at this time not being dragged back into a terribly messy situation.]

I care for you and I care for the family I know you have.

Sam


And so you can see that Corey Goode was already perceiving himself as someone "special" and that likely his thinking was that I surely would choose to remain friends with the "important" Corey Goode. He clearly measured me wrong for it was this very choice he made me make that made me realize at that very moment that he had absolutely no integrity, that he feared that perhaps his own "story" may 'unravel' and soon unless he isolated me from others who might have other thoughts and views about Corey Goode, then the odds that someone like myself might see through the whole scam he was just embarking upon would be increased.


And just look at it all today... and folks, there's more to be posted all and only because of this one little quote. (see my next post)

Note this too - I will be glad to write a complete, detailed document of my entire experience with Corey Goode and I emphasize including every single detail. I would then be happy to provide that to a group of folks who would then like to find a polygraph expert here in Dallas which I not only would go to but that I would gladly pay for. The group can create dozens of questions from the document to test me on.

I see doing this as making a donation to the vulnerable and the hundreds of dollars of cost is nothing compared to the benefit just one susceptible human being might gain if they came upon my information and saved themselves from being conned or further conned. I will also take and pay for any drug tests in case someone thinks I might pass a test falsely due to usage of drugs which might influence the test.

This facade has to stop... Wilcock too because he knows Corey is a liar. Sadly I must also say Salla too has to see the light. Its all made up, its all one big lie held together by a Hollywood style production surrounded by enablers without conscience who present a pathological liar as their "SSP program reality TV Star."

[Dylansdad]

CG has never said he can prove most of his experiences. But if people are interested in what he has to say and he makes a livelihood then that's capitalism, deal with it.

Who knows if he believes what he says, even if he claims so. Or if he is a liar, or is mind controlled. No one here does, although they'd like you to think they do. All that has been done is casting doubt on his credibility with a sort of he said-she said mentality. Or taking what he said (possibly) and putting an exclusive interpretation onto it.

Next, I don't see how his message hurts anyone except the negative secret agencies. In fact, his message is rather uplifting much of the time.

And when did anyone conveying their personal experiences need to provide you with satisfactory proof in order to share it? Can anyone of you verify my OBE experiences? No. But I had them and telling others about them may have value. In fact, I'd be inclined to suggest that people who haven't had volitonal OBE's are missing a type of valuable awareness which could contribute to their overall perspective. (Not to be confused with drug induced OBE type experiences, which is not as valuable IMO and a whole other topic.)

I'm no new ager. And as far as proof...everyone pro or con are claimants for their beliefs. CG as well as everyone here is being judged by each other in a way. From what I've read and heard about CG and from his skeptics I feel the claims against him are mostly a waste of time and short sighted.

And as far as victims. Let's face it. What can CG possibly do or have done that hurts me or anyone else who doesn't blindly follow it/him? Nothing. And for those that blindly follow or get hurt by him...well, they have issues that go beyond a CG.

So why all of the whining and hate? Until Bill or someone else provides a comprehensive factual list of provable claims showing irrefutably that CG has lied about this or that, etc, all I see are perspectives and opinions. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1155196&viewfull=1#post1155196

:happythumbsup:
Call me simplistic or old fashioned, but I believe it hurts an individual to believe in a totally false reality, especially a reality that can easily lead a person into believing even more wild conspiracies, e.g., the Alex Jones fan base. I do not think it is mentally healthy for people to put their total trust in wild tales that resemble the worst B level Sci-fi pulp fiction. Like those old commercials that claim "A mind is a terrible thing to waste" I just happen to think that believing in a bunch of lies and making this "dogma" the center of your reality is a terrible waste of a good mind. Even in my own life, a little example is all the time I spent on Whitley Strieber. In retrospect, this was a terrible waste of my time when I could have been focusing on great literature, my family, friends, and bouncing a ball in the driveway with my grandson. We have to make choices in life of what to do with our time, and I don't want to look the other way when some self-proclaimed celebrity is willing to take another person's time for fame and profit.

[norman]

Call me simplistic or old fashioned, but I believe it hurts an individual to believe in a totally false reality, especially a reality that can easily lead a person into believing even more wild conspiracies, e.g., the Alex Jones fan base. I do not think it is mentally healthy for people to put their total trust in wild tales that resemble the worst B level Sci-fi pulp fiction. Like those old commercials that claim "A mind is a terrible thing to waste" I just happen to think that believing in a bunch of lies and making this "dogma" the center of your reality is a terrible waste of a good mind. Even in my own life, a little example is all the time I spent on Whitley Strieber. In retrospect, this was a terrible waste of my time when I could have been focusing on great literature, my family, friends, and bouncing a ball in the driveway with my grandson. We have to make choices in life of what to do with our time, and I don't want to look the other way when some self-proclaimed celebrity is willing to take another person's time for fame and profit.



Simplistic indeed.

The absolute confidence in furnishing your world view with branded conceptual design almost works perfectly, but it made me chuckle, and I'm sure I wasn't supposed to be doing that.

[Dylansdad]

Call me simplistic or old fashioned, but I believe it hurts an individual to believe in a totally false reality, especially a reality that can easily lead a person into believing even more wild conspiracies, e.g., the Alex Jones fan base. I do not think it is mentally healthy for people to put their total trust in wild tales that resemble the worst B level Sci-fi pulp fiction. Like those old commercials that claim "A mind is a terrible thing to waste" I just happen to think that believing in a bunch of lies and making this "dogma" the center of your reality is a terrible waste of a good mind. Even in my own life, a little example is all the time I spent on Whitley Strieber. In retrospect, this was a terrible waste of my time when I could have been focusing on great literature, my family, friends, and bouncing a ball in the driveway with my grandson. We have to make choices in life of what to do with our time, and I don't want to look the other way when some self-proclaimed celebrity is willing to take another person's time for fame and profit.



Simplistic indeed.

The absolute confidence in furnishing your world view with branded conceptual design almost works perfectly, but it made me chuckle, and I'm sure I wasn't supposed to be doing that.

I bow in humility to your obviously much greater intellect and higher state of consciousness. I promise to be more circumspect in the future before posting, although having someone find me condescendingly amusing is a gift, I suppose.

[alexius]

Call me simplistic or old fashioned, but I believe it hurts an individual to believe in a totally false reality, especially a reality that can easily lead a person into believing even more wild conspiracies, e.g., the Alex Jones fan base. I do not think it is mentally healthy for people to put their total trust in wild tales that resemble the worst B level Sci-fi pulp fiction. Like those old commercials that claim "A mind is a terrible thing to waste" I just happen to think that believing in a bunch of lies and making this "dogma" the center of your reality is a terrible waste of a good mind. Even in my own life, a little example is all the time I spent on Whitley Strieber. In retrospect, this was a terrible waste of my time when I could have been focusing on great literature, my family, friends, and bouncing a ball in the driveway with my grandson. We have to make choices in life of what to do with our time, and I don't want to look the other way when some self-proclaimed celebrity is willing to take another person's time for fame and profit.

Can't it just be a lesson in personal values instead of time wasted? You obviously found out that there are other things in life that you value greater and that you would think deeper about a similar situation in the future before pursuing it. Whenever there is learning involved, time should probably be considered as well spent. I guess it's just all about perception and perspective.



Blessings

[Chester]

Call me simplistic or old fashioned, but I believe it hurts an individual to believe in a totally false reality, especially a reality that can easily lead a person into believing even more wild conspiracies, e.g., the Alex Jones fan base. I do not think it is mentally healthy for people to put their total trust in wild tales that resemble the worst B level Sci-fi pulp fiction. Like those old commercials that claim "A mind is a terrible thing to waste" I just happen to think that believing in a bunch of lies and making this "dogma" the center of your reality is a terrible waste of a good mind. Even in my own life, a little example is all the time I spent on Whitley Strieber. In retrospect, this was a terrible waste of my time when I could have been focusing on great literature, my family, friends, and bouncing a ball in the driveway with my grandson. We have to make choices in life of what to do with our time, and I don't want to look the other way when some self-proclaimed celebrity is willing to take another person's time for fame and profit.

Can't it just be a lesson in personal values instead of time wasted? You obviously found out that there are other things in life that you value greater and that you would think deeper about a similar situation in the future before pursuing it. Whenever there is learning involved, time should probably be considered as well spent. I guess it's just all about perception and perspective.



Blessings

One can also learn that injecting heroin can be addicting and ruin your life. And in fact, the odds of someone injecting heroin into their veins and becoming addicted is quite high.

So, as a caring society, we warn folks about the dangers of IV heroin usage. We don't just warn them, we also consider that people should not sell heroin to others. We then act as a society by making laws about this. Why? Because we wish to protect the vulnerable, some of which may be loved ones.

OK, so my metaphor may be considered too extreme for usage as a metaphor but do you know someone who has been harmed by these types of fantasies? Probably not, but I do. I know of a specific instance where a vulnerable bought into these lies whereby they ended up believing in a paradigm from which they expected "savior aliens" to come and save them from a harmful situation whereby because they expected this, they placed themselves in that harmful situation. That person was my son, Stephen, and he is bipolar and sadly has been dealing with his third psychosis for the last several months. The Corey Goodes do not care what their BS stories open up for vulnerable folks like my son. Corey doesn't get the calls in the middle of the night from a frantic child whose world is falling apart because they challenged the Illuminati on Facebook and the Blue Avians failed to rescue him from his impending execution.

There are real world consequences that impact the lives of innocent folks like my son and frankly when I consider all these new "Corey Kids" I know for certain that a percentage of these kids will have bipolar and schizophrenia issues. And among some of these will be folks who are "identified" as star seeds and wanderers who will then be sucked further into a fantasy world. And some of these may one day have that moment of truth dawn upon them where they realize they have been lied to. And some of those may deal with that awakening in a way where they harm themselves or others... maybe worse.

And what makes me sick is that Corey Goode and David Wilcock don't give a &%$# about those likely outcomes... and they will happen because of the numbers this "production" will reach.

There is no good outcome to any of this and the people involved have sold whatever soul they may have to utter darkness.

EDIT ADDED: - In review and considering that I have indeed experienced some heightened emotions while involving myself again in the Corey Goode saga, and after receiving a wonderful PM from alexius, it looks like I misinterpreted alexius post. I decided though that I needed to keep the post as is in part to demonstrate that I am, especially when my emotions are excited, capable of misinterpretation and it is for this very reason I maintain all my chats and keep meticulous records and notes where in the case of one Corey Goode, may end up seen as quite wise to do so as there's more... far more.

[Chester]

Excerpt:
I have one such individual that lives in my own city that was a "friend of a friend"
If I am a reader of this quote, I would draw the conclusion that Corey Goode was introduced to Sam Hunter. If anyone interprets this in this way, then the following is for you and here is exactly how we met -

I had been invited onto the Avalon 24/7 Skype "healer's" group chat. Corey had also been a member of this chat. At some point, Corey and I added each other individually... probably because one has to be a contact to share a photo or a file that is placed in a group Skype chat. We never had any direct chat within the group that I recall.

On the weekend of March 14 and 15, 2015 my Skype suddenly lit up and it was Corey Goode contacting me directly. Never up until this point had either of us ever contacted each other. What transpired from that point has been documented to some extent either on this forum or the One Truth forum and at this time I cannot recall which... it is possible both.

Corey surely recalls exactly why he contacted me and exactly what happened. And because of his contact and the subsequent actions I took (on his behalf) - a small $#@&storm developed that targeted a pretty significant "star" within the alternative community at that time and who still maintains quite a high profile today... a %#@&storm that later developed into quite a "big deal" - especially during the summer of 2016...

...but this whole story is another matter and best not shared here at this time and probably not at all. But make sure the reader understands clearly... Corey reached out to me and that is how the 36 day or so relationship began.



...and asked to meet me (Who I later found out was hearing voices and thought Draco were putting suicidal thoughts in their head).

True, I asked to meet. I assume because I had already sent Corey $100 a few times, he probably thought that it might be a good idea to meet me as he was also pretty broke at the time. I certainly do not fault him if that was one of his motivations.

Anyways, as to this part - "(Who I later found out was hearing voices..."

This statement may be misleading.

Anyone who has been around Avalon for awhile and who, also, has read many of my posts has come upon my sharing about my bipolar condition and the fact that when I engage in long term, high dosage usage of high quality marijuana, I usually end up experiencing a lengthy psychotic episode. I have made all this public and have often shared details of some of those experiences which includes "the hearing of a voice" (and note I quote exactly what "the voice" told me in each and every case) as well as seeing things I later knew were hallucinations.

The last episode I experienced ended in January of 2012 which led me into the deepest depression imaginable and which I was able to come out of in great part due to my diving into this very forum and subsequently discovering the Horus-Ra thread on April 26, 2012. It was the OP that snapped me out of my depression instantly and the reason why is that I felt I had finally come upon an explanation as to "what the heck it was" behind the voice I had experienced hearing in my head which I had previously thought was "God" and which then I was able to consider that it actually may have been one of these "Horus-Ra entities" based on the description I found in following the links to Eve Lorgen's site.

It was late December 2011 and early January when I experienced this for the last time. I had experienced "a voice" in my head only twice in my life - in August of 2001 and the three week stretch noted above (late December 2011/early January 2012). As for the hallucinations, I only experienced those twice, 1986 and in that same time frame around August of 2001.

So when one reads Corey's statement the way he wrote it, - "(Who I later found out was hearing voices..."

...implies something ongoing and also could imply that this was occurring around the time we met. If anyone considers this statement to suggest this, then they have been mislead and Corey has proven to twist things like this in this way all the time. The well publicized "document" mentioned around the forum and which was near 100 pages when a copy was sent to me documents many cases of this very character trait in action.

and as for the last part of that statement...

"...and thought Draco were putting suicidal thoughts in their head)."

This is a completely made up statement and I don't know why he would need to do that as the truth is certainly disparaging enough. That truth being that I thought the voice in my head in 2011/2012 which told me I had to kill myself to save the world, a voice I heard plainly and clearly in my head while in the midst of a deep psychotic break... was "God." But again... these experiences are all part of a psychosis brought on by my indulging in marijuana which is the only thing that sets off the psychosis but is caused by having the underlying condition - bipolar.

The reason I share the truth and the reason I share the details is to prove once again that Corey Goode lies. The statement "and thought Draco were putting suicidal thoughts in their head)" is a lie. He didn't find this out because you don't "find out" something that isn't true. Again, I would love to take a polygraph testing me in regards to every bit of my story. I am 100% certain that Corey Goode would never, ever take a polygraph unless the technician was in on the scam.

Now let's look at more of his statement -


In the meeting it came up in conversation that we knew a common person that I had an issue with that they were fiercely loyal to.

What a strange statement. It had nothing to do with "loyalty" - it had everything to do with friendship which in fact, up until Corey Goode's ultimatum, I had started to develop with Corey. Just reading this one sentence makes me wonder if Corey even understands what friendship might be.

I know this - if I am someone's friend, I confront them when they are lying whether they are lying to me, to others or when I think they might be lying to themselves. That's a friend. In fact, that's what friends have done for me. Perhaps this is one of the reasons why I cleaned up my act since my youth where I behaved quite like Corey Goode does now - where I said whatever I thought might best serve myself for others to hear and where what might have been the actual truth was never even considered as important to all and only share.


Since that time this person has become so obsessed with attacking me in forums and other sites (They have their own war campaign going on and are in such a long term reactionary state to where they absolutely cannot control their behavior) that I have had to make a policy not to meet people who live near where I do.

Its not an obsession, Corey... its a passion. I have a passion for the truth.

As far as control goes... what is to control? If all I am doing is writing on PA as I do now and that I once wrote about all this same stuff on TOT, a bit of it on inPHInet.net, perhaps a post or two on Earth Empaths before being banned (probably because I tried to help get a reconciliation done) and where I may have made at most four or five comments on any other websites... is that an obsession? Or am I simply relentlessly desiring the truth have exposure like you have exposure for your lies?

I hope you read this Corey. And if you do I challenge you to the polygraph. I will pay for yours as long as the technician is independently selected. And note you will need to agree to take a test that you are clean of any type of drug which is known to assist liars in being able to pass polygraphs. Ohhh, and one more thing, Corey... Technology has greatly advanced in regards to polygraphs. In fact a new additional method was developed by the US military during the last Iraq extravaganza and involves testing techniques that produce results of over 99% accuracy. Just let me know if you are willing to put your story on the line. I make odds as close to zero percent you never will take up the challenge.

[Rawhide68]

I think this is a scam and it´s sad sad thing.

After a couple of days thinking of this, lots of strange questions in my mind popped up.
Nr1. Is Corey deliberately decieving us , or has he ben MK.ed?
Nr2. IS David deliberately decieving us , or has he ben MK.ed?

If Corey is mindfuxed, why would David say that Corey´s info corrolates with his "other informers", ( Kerry Cassidy use to say that a lot as well, so maybe he mimic her)

As I see it , regarding to what´s known about Corey to me from what I heard from Bill Ryan´s interview with Dan the dark journalist, he is very unstableminded (I invented that word myself) ,but also very confident in what he is saying on screen.
Could it be that he actually believes what he says?

I had no problem with David until he went wild about believing he´s incarnate of Edgar Casey, "even our starchart´s match woo!"
But to Dave´s defense he has done valid stuff that I still like.

[norman]

Waw Rawhide, excellent 3rd question.

I won't be able to sleep tonight for thinking about that.

[Chester]

Could it be that he actually believes what he says?


I wish this was a proposition offered at the Vegas betting shops.

I would put all my money on the selection - "Knows he's lying."

as Bill said... "pathological liar."

[UfonautRadio]

Do we really need to be so PC on this forum? Isn't is quite obvious to a person above the age of eleven, that CG's story is ridiculous and baseless? Why is that even an argument? If it is, perhaps there is a much bigger problem in this culture we need to address.

[norman]

Do we really need to be so PC on this forum? Isn't is quite obvious to a person above the age of eleven, that CG's story is ridiculous and baseless? Why is that even an argument? If it is, perhaps there is a much bigger problem in this culture we need to address.

As I see it, it's not just whether CG's story is fake, it could include a larger operation that has an agenda that will both out scale and out last Corey Goode.

[Dylansdad]

Call me simplistic or old fashioned, but I believe it hurts an individual to believe in a totally false reality, especially a reality that can easily lead a person into believing even more wild conspiracies, e.g., the Alex Jones fan base. I do not think it is mentally healthy for people to put their total trust in wild tales that resemble the worst B level Sci-fi pulp fiction. Like those old commercials that claim "A mind is a terrible thing to waste" I just happen to think that believing in a bunch of lies and making this "dogma" the center of your reality is a terrible waste of a good mind. Even in my own life, a little example is all the time I spent on Whitley Strieber. In retrospect, this was a terrible waste of my time when I could have been focusing on great literature, my family, friends, and bouncing a ball in the driveway with my grandson. We have to make choices in life of what to do with our time, and I don't want to look the other way when some self-proclaimed celebrity is willing to take another person's time for fame and profit.

Can't it just be a lesson in personal values instead of time wasted? You obviously found out that there are other things in life that you value greater and that you would think deeper about a similar situation in the future before pursuing it. Whenever there is learning involved, time should probably be considered as well spent. I guess it's just all about perception and perspective.



Blessings

You are right, but my intent was to express my disillusionment with people who I thought were truthful, only to discover that they were not. So, this isn't just a situation where I decided I no longer was interested in studying a legitimate interest, such as the life and teachings of Carl Jung (a past interest). I was lamenting that I had spent so much time focusing on people and stories that I later realized were bogus. I wrote this to tie in to the current Corey Goode story. I believe that a lot of people are currently spending a lot of time focusing on his story in good faith (I won't make a judgment of their discernment, but discernment often comes from age and experience). I fear that a lot of these people will be harmed by their faith. If/when they realize that they have been conned, there will be a lot of rage and despair. And who can such people turn to for help? The mainstream will just consider them utter fools for having ever been taken in by such wild tales. The so-called ufo community will simply say "I told you so".

[Dylansdad]

OK, so my metaphor may be considered too extreme for usage as a metaphor but do you know someone who has been harmed by these types of fantasies? Probably not, but I do. I know of a specific instance where a vulnerable bought into these lies whereby they ended up believing in a paradigm from which they expected "savior aliens" to come and save them from a harmful situation whereby because they expected this, they placed themselves in that harmful situation. That person was my son, Stephen, and he is bipolar and sadly has been dealing with his third psychosis for the last several months. The Corey Goodes do not care what their BS stories open up for vulnerable folks like my son. Corey doesn't get the calls in the middle of the night from a frantic child whose world is falling apart because they challenged the Illuminati on Facebook and the Blue Avians failed to rescue him from his impending execution.

There are real world consequences that impact the lives of innocent folks like my son and frankly when I consider all these new "Corey Kids" I know for certain that a percentage of these kids will have bipolar and schizophrenia issues. And among some of these will be folks who are "identified" as star seeds and wanderers who will then be sucked further into a fantasy world. And some of these may one day have that moment of truth dawn upon them where they realize they have been lied to. And some of those may deal with that awakening in a way where they harm themselves or others... maybe worse.

And what makes me sick is that Corey Goode and David Wilcock don't give a &%$# about those likely outcomes... and they will happen because of the numbers this "production" will reach.

There is no good outcome to any of this and the people involved have sold whatever soul they may have to utter darkness.Not to go off on a tangent, but my mother was also bi-polar. It was a very scary childhood since I never knew "who" would greet me after school, a sane warm woman or a cruel emotional basket case. I agree that all fringe topics seem to appeal to people who have mental issues of this severity. I have witnessed it and I suspect we witness corresponding acts of violence. For example, the Phoenix Comicon arrest of a man armed to the teeth, there to kill "evil" police and other representatives of the Illuminati.

The internet is a wonderful gift, but the dark side entails the ease with which disturbed and delusional people can access data that feeds their delusions. Although I am not qualified to evaluate her mental condition, perhaps this example illustrates what this can be like. Sherry Wilde has appeared at Contact in the Desert to present her New Age Space Brother "wisdom" from her Grey contacts, the primary contact being a little Grey named Da (or Duh as I call him skeptically). Sherry believes in all the New Age doctrine about how aliens are here to help the planet Earth transition from the 3rd dimension to the 5th (I don't know what happened to the 4th). But in a private conversation that I witnessed, she admitted that she was very sick and she was imploring others who shared her belief to tell her why the aliens have not yet come to help us (heal all ailments). Why hasn't the transition to 5th dimension happened by now as promised? How long must she suffer? This is what a false doctrine (IMHO) can do to you. She was having an emotional meltdown because the New Age prophecies have not happened on schedule as promised, meaning she still has to face life in a very sick body.