The Truth about Corey Goode

[Chester]

Just in case...


We have been made aware of a lot of cross communications sent by some of these probable agents. Negotiating with some participants that may want to come clean and tell why they took part. The coordination between parties and talk about ruining people financially and destroying reputations is pretty shocking. We hope to negotiate the use of these emails to show criminnal conspiracy. It is amazing that eventually these people accused us of being Satanists... We are finding evidence that all of their accusations are mirrors of their own behavior. The infiltration of Cabal Agents into Ufology is nothing new. The openess and size of this disinformation campaign is like nothing anyone has seen in the business. Tonight Jimmy Church will discuss the over all problem with the infiltration into Ufology with 8 to 10 of the industries most respected professionals. It is further shocking how wide spread this attack campaign is that is focused on professionals in Ufology. Once we expse all of these people (Even some who think they have been invisible and gathering intel for the agents). Again, if you were a part of this network, realize you were suckered into spreading disinfo for the Cabal, feel free to email me at spherebeingalliance@gmail.com to share your side beffore this all breaks... Stay tuned. The next few days should be interesting. If this was just a case of some disgruntled and jealous/petty people I would ignore it all. This is a full on disinformation operation.
Reverse Speech Analysis by Tiffany Fontenot of Bill Ryan Accusations of Corey Goode -

I caught this quote from Corey.

Corey - I challenge you to a polygraph. And just in case you might decide to name me as "a cabal agent" I am very glad to take a polygraph too. In fact... I will pay for both yours and mine.

We can get a panel of third parties to select the Polygraph professional right here in the Dallas area. I will write up each and every detail of our interactions and the polygraph technician would have dozens of pages of exact statements of mine which he could test me on. And we would have plenty of things to test you on too. Up for it? The challenge is set. I am sure some folks who are associated with you will see this post and pass it on. I am ready to test ASAP. Are you?

Ohhh and Corey, its not a campaign. It is folks tired of the scam who wish you would just come clean so we can get back to investigating these matters in a grounded, researched based way where documents and actual evidence are featured as opposed to nothing but sensational, fantastical and constantly contradicting testimony is all that is offered.

[TargeT]

Corey - I challenge you to a polygraph. And just in case you might decide to name me as "a cabal agent" I am very glad to take a polygraph too. In fact... I will pay for both yours and mine.


Polygraphs (http://www.apa.org/research/action/polygraph.aspx)and finger prints (http://issues.org/20-1/mnookin/) are Hollywood meme's.. they don't really work like we think they do in the really real world and shouldn't be considered as legitimate at all.

I've seen the most honest guys, honest to a FAULT fail multiple poly's.... and I know people (who had to have lied if they were asked the same questions I was) who shouldn't have passed.

a sociopath would pass a poly with flying colors... it's all dependent on your own mind and perception, I don't even believe it's a subconscious reaction that's measured (or at least, not in majority).


Best we focus our energy on data comparison, pattern analysis and corroborative events.

[Chester]

Corey - I challenge you to a polygraph. And just in case you might decide to name me as "a cabal agent" I am very glad to take a polygraph too. In fact... I will pay for both yours and mine.


Polygraphs (http://www.apa.org/research/action/polygraph.aspx)and finger prints (http://issues.org/20-1/mnookin/) are Hollywood meme's.. they don't really work like we think they do in the really real world and shouldn't be considered as legitimate at all.

I've seen the most honest guys, honest to a FAULT fail multiple poly's.... and I know people (who had to have lied if they were asked the same questions I was) who shouldn't have passed.

a sociopath would pass a poly with flying colors... it's all dependent on your own mind and perception, I don't even believe it's a subconscious reaction that's measured (or at least, not in majority).


Best we focus our energy on data comparison, pattern analysis and corroborative events.

Actually, the technology has advanced dramatically. There's an eye scan test that is used in conjunction with the more conventional methods (but more expensive) which has been used in military applications for at least 5 years now that has a track record above 99%. Check with your sources because I bet you can get this information verified.

I would think every method we could employ to get to the actual truths would be welcomed... and the results as a whole would present to those interested the best possible likely truths.

[TargeT]

I haven't had a poly since 2007, haha very possible.

[UfonautRadio]

I agree that Poly would be great, but will never happen. Good luck getting one SSP "whistle blower" to take one.

[Chester]

I agree that Poly would be great, but will never happen. Good luck getting one SSP "whistle blower" to take one.

Agree and IMO "telling."

I do recall Whitley Strieber took some polygraphs and other neurological tests. Imagine if Corey would do that and also take UI tests?

http://www.unknowncountry.com/whitleys-space/striebers-test-results-show-normal-adult-telling-truth

[UfonautRadio]

Whitley really took a strange turn years ago. I'm not sure why, but his acceptance ad support of the Roswell slides, even after uncovered as false made him look like some of the folks we are dealing with now.

We created this problem with the truth, now it seems that we must also bring it back to center. I truly wish some of the major players besides BR would step up and demand it from MUFON and others. SSP does not belong in a MUFON lecture!

[TargeT]

Whitley really took a strange turn years ago. I'm not sure why, but his acceptance ad support of the Roswell slides, even after uncovered as false made him look like some of the folks we are dealing with now.

We created this problem with the truth, now it seems that we must also bring it back to center. I truly wish some of the major players besides BR would step up and demand it from MUFON and others. SSP does not belong in a MUFON lecture!

All the woo-woo topics are being drawn together for a better money harvesting festive, err conference. Sure seems to fit the same old MO of a "take over"; the one that seems to happen to any movement that gains substantial momentum.

[Mike]

I agree that Poly would be great, but will never happen. Good luck getting one SSP "whistle blower" to take one.

Agree and IMO "telling."

I do recall Whitley Strieber took some polygraphs and other neurological tests. Imagine if Corey would do that and also take UI tests?

http://www.unknowncountry.com/whitleys-space/striebers-test-results-show-normal-adult-telling-truth

Hi Sam,

Yep, and Strieber agreed to hypnosis as well.

If I were Corey, I'd be taking any damn test that was thrown my way. Anything to attempt to prove my authenticity. It would be so sooo easy.

I love the challenge you put out there Sam. Love it. He won't take any tests but it still serves an important purpose.

[Matthew]

Emphasis mine


...
I caught this quote from Corey.

Corey - I challenge you to a polygraph. And just in case you might decide to name me as "a cabal agent" I am very glad to take a polygraph too. In fact... I will pay for both yours and mine.

We can get a panel of third parties to select the Polygraph professional right here in the Dallas area. I will write up each and every detail of our interactions and the polygraph technician would have dozens of pages of exact statements of mine which he could test me on. And we would have plenty of things to test you on too. Up for it? The challenge is set. I am sure some folks who are associated with you will see this post and pass it on. I am ready to test ASAP. Are you?

Ohhh and Corey, its not a campaign. It is folks tired of the scam who wish you would just come clean so we can get back to investigating these matters in a grounded, researched based way where documents and actual evidence are featured as opposed to nothing but sensational, fantastical and constantly contradicting testimony is all that is offered.

Bill initially speaking out seemed more like whistleblowing than a campaign. Corey and his partners efforts seem more like a campaign than whistleblowing. Their campaign has worked for them so far.


I agree that Poly would be great, but will never happen. Good luck getting one SSP "whistle blower" to take one.

Should we/cound we actually start a campaign? It's a very civilised challenge.

[araucaria]

If I were Corey, I'd be taking any damn test that was thrown my way. Anything to attempt to prove my authenticity. It would be so sooo easy.

I love the challenge you put out there Sam. Love it. He won't take any tests but it still serves an important purpose.
It would be so easy because

a sociopath would pass a poly with flying colors... it's all dependent on your own mind and perception,
So then, why won’t he take any tests? Let me attempt a suggestion, based on my post here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1159664&viewfull=1#post1159664
Why a sociopath would pass a poly with flying colors would be because he has several personas going at once, and can freely pass to whichever can answer truthfully. If you have a whole array of very different personas, then there is no situation where you would need to lie. For example, from my post, you could ask an ordinary sociopath with Corey’s history to confirm he is an IT expert, and the very next question to confirm he is NOT an IT expert, and he could confirm both with what are conflicting answers and still pass the poly. Provided, that is, he is sufficiently in control of his split personality.

In the case of a mind control victim, however, there would be a problem navigating between these different personas. My practical knowledge is a bit hazy, but I am guessing that the issue would be with the absence of the triggers normally used to switch personalities. If they are subjected to a poly session devised by someone hostile or even just neutral, then the triggers needed to provoke the correct responses from the right personas would not be activated, and the wrong Corey responding to the wrong questions would fail the test.

Hence, while polys are no good on true (self-employed) sociopaths, there would be every reason for a mind control victim to give them a wide berth.

[UfonautRadio]

I'm more than happy to endorse this on my show.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKAf_uCRZPk&t=2114s

[Chester]

Just in case this gets back to Corey -

Please, send any PI my way and I will be glad to share all my evidence... some that I have held back on for reasons you know full well about.

Have one of your friends who are members here PM me and I will provide all my contact information.

Or send an e-mail to my "unseen" account where you sent the text of your conversation with Shane back in March 2015... the two e-mails you sent to both myself and Christine.

[araucaria]

For a more philosophical angle on what is going on here, see this post of mine: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98164-Not-so-fast-a-guide-to-better-posting&p=1160654&viewfull=1#post1160654

[Bill Ryan]

Get your questions ready for Corey Goode !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbvAo3wjLRc



Well, a couple of dozen (at least!) can be generated from this. This is the first time I've made this public.


http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan's_replies_to_Corey_Goode's_response.pdf

This is a 16 page, 5300 word document (though a lot of the words are Corey's) in which I reply in fully referenced detail to his responses to my original The Truth About Corey Goode (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1148567&viewfull=1#post1148567) piece. One friend who read it described it as 'damning'. (And, it is.)

I sent it last week to Justin Deschamps, from Stillness in the Storm (http://stillnessinthestorm.com). He had earlier asked me for my rejoinder.

I had to send it to him twice. He acknowledged it the second time. However, as best I know, he's so far opted NOT to publish it. (But, maybe I'll be wrong: he may simply be busy, and I genuinely hope that's the reason. It wouldn't look all that good for his partiality if my detailed response were to be withheld, after he'd actually asked for it.)

***

A separate matter: not included in this document is a Skype reference I found yesterday from Corey, to me, in Oct 2014, where he'd copied a friend's message to me — in which his friend ('Kevin') had quoted back what Corey had told him his IT capability actually was.

His friend (who for various good reasons, too long to include in this post, appears with a high degree of probability to be convicted 'ethical hacker' Kevin Mitnick (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Mitnick)) wrote to Corey, copied and shared by Corey with me:



"I know you said your knowledge is limited to IIS Application Hosting, Hardware and Software Network Virtualization."
Those long words sound impressive to non-geeks, but that's actually pretty low level. Certainly no 'expert'. He'd be stretched to earn a high five-figure income from that, let alone a high six-figure one, as he's publicly claimed. That then generates one or two more questions, too.

[onawah]

There's some interesting info about Gaiam here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98440-Jay-Weidner---GAIA-TV--Unearthed-Alien-mummy&p=1161723&viewfull=1#post1161723

[norman]

I'm more than happy to endorse this on my show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKAf_uCRZPk&t=2114s

Bump

That was a lot of hard focused work, thank you.

[Bill Ryan]

Get your questions ready for Corey Goode !

Well, a couple of dozen (at least!) can be generated from this. This is the first time I've made this public.


http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan's_replies_to_Corey_Goode's_response.pdf

This is a 16 page, 5300 word document (though a lot of the words are Corey's) in which I reply in fully referenced detail to his responses to my original The Truth About Corey Goode (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1148567&viewfull=1#post1148567) piece. One friend who read it described it as 'damning'. (And, it is.)

I sent it last week to Justin Deschamps, from Stillness in the Storm (http://stillnessinthestorm.com). He had earlier asked me for my rejoinder.

I had to send it to him twice. He acknowledged it the second time. However, as best I know, he's so far opted NOT to publish it. (But, maybe I'll be wrong: he may simply be busy, and I genuinely hope that's the reason. It wouldn't look all that good for his partiality if my detailed response were to be withheld, after he'd actually asked for it.)



An update on this. Justin wrote to me, yesterday:




Thanks Bill. I have decided to publish it, I just haven't gotten around to it yet. I understand if this might seem like procrastination or underhandedness on my part. I was contemplating how to best handle the situation for all involved, hence my delay. Apologies if you felt maligned.

I will add your comments to the post the you used to formulate your responses. As soon as that is done, (should be later today) I'll send you a link.

Justin

and then





Here you are Bill http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html

My apologies for not tending to this more expeditiously.

Hopefully we can move forward as a people on the issues we all face and not let our disagreements about Goode or anything else needlessly divide us.

[Flash]

Thanks Bill,

I was listening to an old video with Peter Levenda in it (just discovered the guy, wow!!) in which he was saying that one of the MkUltra project in the 70's and 80's was name Project Blue Bird. It made me think of Corey Goode.

Thanks for naming what you see publically.




Get your questions ready for Corey Goode !

Well, a couple of dozen (at least!) can be generated from this. This is the first time I've made this public.


http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan's_replies_to_Corey_Goode's_response.pdf

This is a 16 page, 5300 word document (though a lot of the words are Corey's) in which I reply in fully referenced detail to his responses to my original The Truth About Corey Goode (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1148567&viewfull=1#post1148567) piece. One friend who read it described it as 'damning'. (And, it is.)

I sent it last week to Justin Deschamps, from Stillness in the Storm (http://stillnessinthestorm.com). He had earlier asked me for my rejoinder.

I had to send it to him twice. He acknowledged it the second time. However, as best I know, he's so far opted NOT to publish it. (But, maybe I'll be wrong: he may simply be busy, and I genuinely hope that's the reason. It wouldn't look all that good for his partiality if my detailed response were to be withheld, after he'd actually asked for it.)



An update on this. Justin wrote to me, yesterday:




Thanks Bill. I have decided to publish it, I just haven't gotten around to it yet. I understand if this might seem like procrastination or underhandedness on my part. I was contemplating how to best handle the situation for all involved, hence my delay. Apologies if you felt maligned.

I will add your comments to the post the you used to formulate your responses. As soon as that is done, (should be later today) I'll send you a link.

Justin

and then





Here you are Bill http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html

My apologies for not tending to this more expeditiously.

Hopefully we can move forward as a people on the issues we all face and not let our disagreements about Goode or anything else needlessly divide us.

[Chester]

Bluebird (https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp83-01042r000800010003-1) (and Artichoke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_ARTICHOKE)) were from the early 50s... was exposed in the 70s.

What's freaky is this... I was just reading an old Skype chat I had with Corey. In fact, I was just reading the part where he was chatting about Flash (Yes... you, Flash - Skype me for more info).

And I had brought a book with me on the trip I am on at the moment written by...

Peter Levenda.

And all this was after just last night posing a question to a friend of all of ours... "Seems like there's a link between the profundacy and frequency of some synchronicities and 'demonics', yes?"

The book I am reading is -

Sinister Forces - A Grimoire of American Political Witchcraft - Book 1: The Nine

Isn't the word "grimoire" French?

haha... can't make this stuff up.

***

Strangely I bought this book in November 2011 -

https://www.amazon.com/Nine-Sinister-Forces-Political-Witchcraft/dp/098418581X

At the same time I started to read this book I shifted into a psychosis which, in 45 days led to two serious suicide attempts based on what "a voice in my head told me." I have written extensively about this in this forum.

Note I had not read much of the book at that time because every time I tried, it became very difficult to read because of the difficult emotions I experienced when reading it.

Anyways - that was my last days of living in Panama and some know the role this forum played in my ability to come back to Earth (I can never say than you enough to PA).

Now when I left Panama I lost my library of at least 300 books - many of this nature (including this one). What is interesting about this is that in November of 2015 I felt compelled to obtain this book again and despite that I had long before planted my feet firmly back on the ground and despite that I had not touched any substances for almost 4 years at this point (which played a significant role in my previous experiences of psychosis and voices in my head), I was unable to read the book because it still caused me considerable emotional disturbance.

So I grabbed it off my shelf a few moments ago and there is a significant section related to the the Stargate Conspiracy but a great deal of material about Dr. Puharich. It was interesting to come upon a brief mention that it was Dr. Puharich who introduced Uri Geller "to American audiences... and to American intelligence.

I am suddenly beginning to experience what I had experienced to a great extent for years before my 2011/12 meltdown but that returned (but in a grounded way) once I got past the rough 'dark night of the soul' event of early 2012 (which is what PA helped get me out of)... and that is...

...that feeling of being led.

I embark on a week long trip out of the country and I always use those opportunities to read. It feels like I just got told what to read.

Ohhh and note how the title has been changed a bit since I had bought the book the first time in 2011 to... The Nine.

http://projectavalon.net/The_Nine_Peter_Levenda.gif

[Flash]

Yes, grimoire is a french word.

Hum... interesting

The srangest part of it all is that last night, after listening to Levenda, i had a very vivid dream about Pierre Trudeau, the ex Prime minister of Canada, father of Justin, the actual Prime Minister (they come in dynasties)

In it, Pierre was dress in a very distinguished suit, had gentleman manners and knew my mother. He was in a kind of family reception and had the room beside mine designated to him for his stay. And somehow my mom was in it.

I think i may have knocked in a kind of RV of the past on Justin's mom story of her meeting Pierre in a family reception in Vancouver and transfer it as my mom. Margaret Trudeau is a Sinclair, and I somehow remember the name Collins being related or around her Family. As for the link with blue birds, I don't know yet.

I have to check.. you are right Sam, too many coincidences.



Bluebird (https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp83-01042r000800010003-1) (and Artichoke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_ARTICHOKE)) were from the early 50s... was exposed in the 70s.

What's freaky is this... I was just reading an old Skype chat I had with Corey. In fact, I was just reading the part where he was chatting about Flash (Yes... you, Flash - Skype me for more info).

And I had brought a book with me on the trip I am on at the moment written by...

Peter Levenda.

And all this was after just last night posing a question to a friend of all of ours... "Seems like there's a link between the profundacy and frequency of some synchronicities and 'demonics', yes?"

The book I am reading is -

Sinister Forces - A Grimoire of American Political Witchcraft - Book 1: The Nine

Isn't the word "grimoire" French?

haha... can't make this stuff up.

***

Strangely I bought this book in November 2011 -

https://www.amazon.com/Nine-Sinister-Forces-Political-Witchcraft/dp/098418581X

At the same time I started to read this book I shifted into a psychosis which, in 45 days led to two serious suicide attempts based on what "a voice in my head told me." I have written extensively about this in this forum.

Note I had not read much of the book at that time because every time I tried, it became very difficult to read because of the difficult emotions I experienced when reading it.

Anyways - that was my last days of living in Panama and some know the role this forum played in my ability to come back to Earth (I can never say than you enough to PA).

Now when I left Panama I lost my library of at least 300 books - many of this nature (including this one). What is interesting about this is that in November of 2015 I felt compelled to obtain this book again and despite that I had long before planted my feet firmly back on the ground and despite that I had not touched any substances for almost 4 years at this point (which played a significant role in my previous experiences of psychosis and voices in my head), I was unable to read the book because it still caused me considerable emotional disturbance.

So I grabbed it off my shelf a few moments ago and there is a significant section related to the the Stargate Conspiracy but a great deal of material about Dr. Puharich. It was interesting to come upon a brief mention that it was Dr. Puharich who introduced Uri Geller "to American audiences... and to American intelligence.

I am suddenly beginning to experience what I had experienced to a great extent for years before my 2011/12 meltdown but that returned (but in a grounded way) once I got past the rough 'dark night of the soul' event of early 2012 (which is what PA helped get me out of)... and that is...

...that feeling of being led.

I embark on a week long trip out of the country and I always use those opportunities to read. It feels like I just got told what to read.

Ohhh and note how the title has been changed a bit since I had bought the book the first time in 2011 to... The Nine.

http://projectavalon.net/The_Nine_Peter_Levenda.gif

[Shadowself]

One person's opinion on Corey Goode


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WafZv4iXQpA

[RunningDeer]

One person's opinion on Corey Goode
Rachel a.k.a. PigtailGurl is a new YouTuber. She joined the conversation on May 1, 2017. This is Rachel's 'The Pursuit of Happiness' (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseL7_vlsN-AphLiWrdRzyQ/videos) channel.

From her “about (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseL7_vlsN-AphLiWrdRzyQ/about)” page:




My channel is dedicated to the pursuit of happiness which is a state of being that comes about when one is whole and balanced and standing in one's power. I will share with you all any knowledge and wisdom I have picked up along my life journey, and hopefully we can learn a few new things together ;-) I look forward to getting to know you in the comments sections and also feel free to let me know if you have any issues you would like to see me address. I am not a doctor but I can certainly offer lots of advice upon your path to wholeness and balance. I also love to delve into freedom and topics of spiritual significance. We are all butterflies waiting to happen.


Below are a couple of comments from the video, including one from Peter Petersen. I don’t know if he’s the one we’re familiar with, but he continues to make the rounds. I caught another of his comments on the Vinny Eastwood and Randy Maugans video.

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/Jordan.jpg

*****

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/peter232.jpg


*****

Blue Avian Cult Dividing UFO Community: Randy Maugans & Vinny Eastwood



The alternative media is shredding itself over the “Full disclosure now” UFO cult. They’re attempting a “fakeover”, George Noory is stumbling off to stage left, David Wilcock needs a new act, Roger Ramsaur (reported by the Dark Journalist to be a satanist) is doing comic books and puppet shows.

There’s a changing of the guard in the disclosure community!


mhxc447o6bs

Published on Jun 22, 2017

Blue Avian Cult Dividing UFO Community, Randy Maugans (http://www.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com/show-archives/blue-avian-cult-dividing-ufo-community-randy-maugans)

Randy Maugans www.offplanetradio.com is consumed by a media war with assholes in the UFO community.

The alternative media is shredding itself over the “Full disclosure now” UFO cult,
They’re attempting a “fakeover”, George Noory is stumbling off to stage left,
David Wilcock needs a new act, Roger Ramsaur (reported by the Dark Journalist to be a satanist) is doing comic books and puppet shows. There’s a changing of the guard in the disclosure community!

It was Randy’s viral post on Facebook that was leaked to the Corey Goode camp and discombobulated the entire universe.

It also made Bill Ryan drag himself out of obscurity (after 4 years) to write an expose’ on the blue Avian alien cult & Corey Goode.

“Corey’s kids” is a marketing gimmick designed to bring young people into the UFO disclosure movement, using pop culture media like comics, CGI & other tools such as “Disclosure backpacks” full of goodness knows what goodies.

Even Jimmy Church is having a round table discussion on this topic, asking the question: “Is the UFO community infiltrated?!”

[Omni]

One person's opinion on Corey Goode


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WafZv4iXQpA

Wow. What an excellent video. Very sharp analysis. Here is my favorite quote she said:

“When you are under the effects of mkultra, you don’t know that you are under the effects of mkultra. That is the point. Good mkultra brainwashing creates someone who absolutely believes what they are telling you. And because of this it makes it very difficult for an empath to read these people…”

[Bill Ryan]

One person's opinion on Corey Goode

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WafZv4iXQpA

Wow. What an excellent video. Very sharp analysis. Here is my favorite quote she said:

“When you are under the effects of mkultra, you don’t know that you are under the effects of mkultra. That is the point. Good mkultra brainwashing creates someone who absolutely believes what they are telling you. And because of this it makes it very difficult for an empath to read these people…”

Yes. Very smart girl. Kudos. :highfive:

—> "Love and light has been weaponized." (Yes, it has.)

Someone invite her to Avalon on my behalf. Really. We'll fast-track her in. :flower:


http://projectavalon.net/join

[RunningDeer]

Yes. Very smart girl. Kudos. :highfive:

—> "Love and light has been weaponized." (Yes, it has.)

Someone invite her to Avalon on my behalf. Really. We'll fast-track her in. :flower:


http://projectavalon.net/join

[/URL]

I sent it by way of Rachel's YouTube channel. Included in the message were the last 4 post and [URL="http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68916-Don-t-go-into-the-light-Discussion-thread&p=1162203&viewfull=1#post1162203"]one other (http://keepvid.com/?url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WafZv4iXQpA).

Bill, this is Rachel's "send message (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseL7_vlsN-AphLiWrdRzyQ/about)" link.

[Clear Light]

Oh, here's the latest post to the "Sphere Being Alliance" FB page (https://www.facebook.com/BlueAvians/) (now 21 hours) where the first comment says it all eh ? ;)


This story is one year old, but tacking on Session's image makes it look current. TPTB need not bother to sow distrust among the community, because clearly the community has no problem misleading its own


35550

Or perhaps this was posted because it fits nicely into the Agenda of the "imminent" downfall of the so-called "Cabal" ?

[Innocent Warrior]

I hope Rachel joins, bright and delightful. :star:

[Omni]

Yes. Very smart girl. Kudos. :highfive:

—> "Love and light has been weaponized." (Yes, it has.)

Someone invite her to Avalon on my behalf. Really. We'll fast-track her in. :flower:


http://projectavalon.net/join

[/URL]

Done. I sent it by way of Rachel's YouTube channel. Included in the message were the last 4 post and [URL="http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68916-Don-t-go-into-the-light-Discussion-thread&p=1162203&viewfull=1#post1162203"]one other (http://keepvid.com/?url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WafZv4iXQpA).

Bill, this is Rachel's "send message (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseL7_vlsN-AphLiWrdRzyQ/about)" link.
The problem with this is Youtube appears to have intentionally made messaging on their website very hard to know you have been sent a message. There is no notification or anything really. I have seen messages for me that were from years before i found them the youtube messaging system is so terrible. I sent her a message too. Does anyone know her full name? Rachel ...? I'd like to quote her.

[RunningDeer]

Yes. Very smart girl. Kudos. :highfive:

—> "Love and light has been weaponized." (Yes, it has.)

Someone invite her to Avalon on my behalf. Really. We'll fast-track her in. :flower:


http://projectavalon.net/join

[/URL]

The problem with this is Youtube appears to have intentionally made messaging on their website very hard to know you have been sent a message. There is no notification or anything really. I have seen messages for me that were from years before i found them the youtube messaging system is so terrible. I sent her a message too. Does anyone know her full name? Rachel ...? I'd like to quote her.

What I know = Rachel or PigtailGurl, The Pursuit of Happiness and a few seconds into [URL="http://www.holybooks.com/the-tibetan-book-of-the-dead-2/"]this video (http://keepvid.com/?url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WafZv4iXQpA) I learned she was well known throughout Asia doing DJ and singing. No luck with Google and those search words.

One suggestion is to drop a message on Rachel’s discussion board (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseL7_vlsN-AphLiWrdRzyQ/discussion?spfreload=10). You’ll see that Star Tsar left a hello message there.

[Clear Light]

Yes. Very smart girl. Kudos. :highfive:

—> "Love and light has been weaponized." (Yes, it has.)

Someone invite her to Avalon on my behalf. Really. We'll fast-track her in. :flower:


http://projectavalon.net/join

[/URL]

Done. I sent it by way of Rachel's YouTube channel. Included in the message were the last 4 post and [URL="http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68916-Don-t-go-into-the-light-Discussion-thread&p=1162203&viewfull=1#post1162203"]one other (http://keepvid.com/?url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WafZv4iXQpA).

Bill, this is Rachel's "send message (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseL7_vlsN-AphLiWrdRzyQ/about)" link.
The problem with this is Youtube appears to have intentionally made messaging on their website very hard to know you have been sent a message. There is no notification or anything really. I have seen messages for me that were from years before i found them the youtube messaging system is so terrible. I sent her a message too. Does anyone know her full name? Rachel ...? I'd like to quote her.

Oh, perhaps try here at Facebook's "The Pursuit Of Happiness Youtube Page (https://www.facebook.com/PigtailGurl/)" ? :highfive:

[RunningDeer]

Oh, perhaps try here at Facebook's "The Pursuit Of Happiness Youtube Page (https://www.facebook.com/PigtailGurl/)" ? :highfive:
Yup, good find, Clear Light, that's Rachel, a.k.a. PigtailGurl. I don't have a FaceBook account. :thumbsup:




Yes. Very smart girl. Kudos. :highfive:

—> "Love and light has been weaponized." (Yes, it has.)

Someone invite her to Avalon on my behalf. Really. We'll fast-track her in. :flower:


http://projectavalon.net/join

[/URL]

The problem with this is Youtube appears to have intentionally made messaging on their website very hard to know you have been sent a message. There is no notification or anything really. I have seen messages for me that were from years before i found them the youtube messaging system is so terrible. I sent her a message too. Does anyone know her full name? Rachel ...? I'd like to quote her.

What I know = Rachel or PigtailGurl, The Pursuit of Happiness and a few seconds into [URL="http://www.holybooks.com/the-tibetan-book-of-the-dead-2/"]this video (http://keepvid.com/?url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WafZv4iXQpA) I learned she was well known throughout Asia doing DJ and singing. No luck with Google and those search words.

One suggestion is to drop a message on Rachel’s discussion board (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseL7_vlsN-AphLiWrdRzyQ/discussion?spfreload=10). You’ll see that Star Tsar left a hello message there.

Omnisense, I caught your message to Rachel. I also left one asking her to check her YouTube messages.

UPDATE: Feel free to delete my off topic posts.

[Flash]

The Blue Bird stuff from a precusor MKUltra project, extract from Peter Levenda book Sinister Forces


code names like BLUEBIRD and the later ARTICHOKE “have no known significance.” This is echoed in John Marks’ classic study of CIA mind control projects, The Search for the Manchurian Candidate (1979).

Yet it is true that, in the early days of the CIA, project names were at the whim of their creators, and not the results of a computer-generated random search among a classified dictionary as they are now.

Thus, project names usually had some meaning attached to them. (For instance, when Allen Dulles was put in charge of the CIA’s mind control project he changed the name BLUEBIRD to ARTICHOKE, since (according to Gordon Thomas) he was fond of the vegetable.

It was, according to John Marks, CIA security chief Sheffield Edwards who decided to call the project—a program for exploring the uses of hypnosis and other means to protect Agency personnel from enemy psychic penetration—BLUEBIRD.

Why, then, did he choose the name BLUEBIRD for the first-ever CIA mind control project, the forerunner of the more infamous MK-ULTRA? At the time, the US Navy had its own truth serum operation, called Project CHATTER, begun in 1947.

CHATTER seems a more appropriate project name, since its goal was to make prisoners talk. Thus, we are still faced with what appears to be a minor mystery: why BLUEBIRD? There is a phrase which is perhaps not used so much these days as it was in the tender years of the twentieth century: “the blue bird of happiness.”

What many people do not realize—and did not realize even then—was that this term had its origins in a play and a novel by the Belgian Nobel Prize-winning author and dramatist, Maurice Maeterlinck (1862-1949).

Maeterlinck was surrounded by the Symbolist movement (forerunners of the Surrealists) in fin-de-siécle France, and was a friend of Sar Peladan, a noted Rosicrucian of the day. Indeed, Maeterlinck was something of a mystic himself and a firm believer in occult phenomena, as his other writings such as The Other World (1942) amply demonstrate.

He was also a keen observer of nature and natural phenomena, in The Life of the Bee (1901), in which the concept of the “meme” is introduced to a wider audience (after its creation by a relatively-unknown German psychologist—Richard Sauder—years before, the same psychologist who created the “engram,” made famous by L. Ron Hubbard)......

His writings were very popular in Europe, being a mixture of the profound with the childlike, such as his most famous work The Blue Bird (1909). In this play, first performed in the Russian language in Moscow on September 30, 1908 and later in English in London and New York, two children set off on a search for the Blue Bird of Happiness.

This search leads them on many adventures—a kind of initiatic quest for the Grail—and the author was startled to realize that many of the motifs of Maeterlinck’s play are repeated in the CIA’s search for a Manchurian Candidate, a search that began with Project BLUEBIRD.

[araucaria]

Doubtless an anachronism (1967), ‘Bluebird’ was a rocket-boat that went very fast and soon ended in tears with Donald Campbell’s failed attempt at the world water speed record. It started flying through the air, which wasn't supposed to happen. You might call it a can of Campbell’s soup (sorry, rather tasteless).
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[7alon]

One person's opinion on Corey Goode

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WafZv4iXQpA

Wow. What an excellent video. Very sharp analysis. Here is my favorite quote she said:

“When you are under the effects of mkultra, you don’t know that you are under the effects of mkultra. That is the point. Good mkultra brainwashing creates someone who absolutely believes what they are telling you. And because of this it makes it very difficult for an empath to read these people…”

Yes. Very smart girl. Kudos. :highfive:

—> "Love and light has been weaponized." (Yes, it has.)

Someone invite her to Avalon on my behalf. Really. We'll fast-track her in. :flower:


http://projectavalon.net/join



Mmm this is the trouble I had with Corey Goode. Also people who use partial truths can be tricky, but they still have something off about their energy. Their body language gives tells too, according to the woman who does Bombard's Body Language.

[Mike]

Just listened to that Vinny Eastwood/Maugans interview. Some impressions....

-every time Randy opens his mouth he betrays his bitterness and jealousy that his facebook post didn't get the attention Bill's Avalon post did...and he always uses this topic as an opportunity to say these sort of snide things about Bill and Avalon. He desperately wants the whole ufo community to think he started this movement, all while affecting this coolly detached demeanor about it. It's just silly. Bill didn't reboot after 4 years, he just collated a whole bunch of Corey info he'd already written long before Randy had ever said anything about it, and simply posted it on the forum. And it went "viral" as they say. End of story. Deal with it Randy. Someone will be 'round with a pat on the head and a trophy for participation real soon..don't you worry.

-Vinny Eastwood laughs way too hard and way too long at things he's said that he imagines to be funny. It's actually jarring....almost in the way a clock radio alarm is jarring at 6am.

-What's the difference between corroborating and co-opting/plagiarizing? Randy uses Basiago and a couple others with similar tales as examples of corroboration(implying legitimacy)...while accusing Corey of plagiarizing people like Thompkins and Kramer. But it's a slippery slope - one persons' corroborating story is another person's plagiarism. I personally think all those mentioned above are full of sh!t..but you get my point.

-I'm starting a ufo/conspiracy podcast soon. The world clearly needs me:wink:

-

[Flash]

I had a chat with Sam on what Corey Goode was teliing him about me.... in fact, he read to me the written words of Corey (I may ask him to send them to me). The guy does not know me from Adams (an expression meaning nor any of my ancestors), had never spoken or written to me when he was a member here, and he tried to fill Sam with a whole load of reaaaaal crap. There was enough made up stories that I thought he is fully crazy. Let me tell you, if he did made up such stories about me, who is a quite bland and flat lady, and lost his time on me, woww, the rest is pure invention from a nut head.

I cannot believe that David Wilcock felt for such crap, at any level. I thought he was intelligent.

Luckily, Sam knew me for a good while and had chatted with me quite often. So Corey's inventions hit the wrong guy - to show himself off by putting others down, he was telling Sam things that were supposed to be detrimental to me, but I had already spoken to Sam about the same topic, and it showed Sam Corey was the lier.

I remember someone telling me once that PTB did not care at all about conspiracy forums. And they are right. After Goode, and some others alike, it looks like all conspiracies folks are for a bunch of looneys. This is truly detrimental to the truth movement.

I am sorry for the younger kids with him who will end up losing their reputation - and no real money will come from this for them.

Wake up guys, use your brain and abandon the search for a father figure. He ain't it.

[Omni]

I remember someone telling me once that PTB did not care at all about conspiracy forums. And they are right. After Goode, and some others alike, it looks like all conspiracies folks are for a bunch of looneys. This is truly detrimental to the truth movement.
They surely care about conspiracy forums. I have seen convincing proof they care about all social platforms. For example I have reason to believe both Corey Goode and the whole nexus forum split were orchestrated via the electronic control grid. The CIA focuses on Avalon, I know this for sure...

[Kristin]

Just listened to that Vinny Eastwood/Maugans interview. Some impressions....

-every time Randy opens his mouth he betrays his bitterness and jealousy that his facebook post didn't get the attention Bill's Avalon post did...and he always uses this topic as an opportunity to say these sort of snide things about Bill and Avalon. He desperately wants the whole ufo community to think he started this movement, all while affecting this coolly detached demeanor about it. It's just silly. Bill didn't reboot after 4 years, he just collated a whole bunch of Corey info he'd already written long before Randy had ever said anything about it, and simply posted it on the forum. And it went "viral" as they say. End of story. Deal with it Randy. Someone will be 'round with a pat on the head and a trophy for participation real soon..don't you worry.

-Vinny Eastwood laughs way too hard and way too long at things he's said that he imagines to be funny. It's actually jarring....almost in the way a clock radio alarm is jarring at 6am.

-What's the difference between corroborating and co-opting/plagiarizing? Randy uses Basiago and a couple others with similar tales as examples of corroboration(implying legitimacy)...while accusing Corey of plagiarizing people like Thompkins and Kramer. But it's a slippery slope - one persons' corroborating story is another person's plagiarism. I personally think all those mentioned above are full of sh!t..but you get my point.

-I'm starting a ufo/conspiracy podcast soon. The world clearly needs me:wink:

-

I'm really glad that Randy brought things out into the light. I'm really glad that Bill did the same. It's not a competition. Both have done great services for the community.

[TargeT]

-I'm starting a ufo/conspiracy podcast soon. The world clearly needs me:wink:

-

if it's to sarcastically comment on all this silliness, I'm with you!

Why does it seem like this (UFOLOGY) community is getting so much attention lately? did someone figure out people interested in UFO's have money? is this apart of the Blue Beam build up?

Seems like this fringe topic has become not-so-fringe of late, I wonder why.

[Wind]

Perhaps more and more people are waking up slowly? Yet the newcomers fall into the many pitfalls and traps... Of BS.

[RunningDeer]

My internet is too slow to listen to the video. Waiting on a new modem. The summary says a lot. (2nd hour). Catch everyone later. :wave:


Clif High: Temporal Awareness, Cryptocurrencies, The Yogi vs.The Bluebirds
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Published on Jun 25, 2017

Clif High is the programmer and owner of the Webbot, a future viewing radical linguistics database and algorithm that predict future trends based on the emotional content of language on the internet. He joins us for a rousing two hours of cutting edge discussion.

Website: https://www.halfpasthuman.com/

Hour 1:
~Language and temoral displaement
~Buckminster Fuller and N. A. Kozyrev
~The correlation between now and the 1930s. an energy trough that we have lived through all of our lives, and the new energetics that will build up and run for the next 100 years.

~Social engineering from the 1830s, the utopians and various early technology pioneers: a wave precursor of the late 20th-early 21st century; the boundary mirror on both sides of the boundary; CERN and time manipulation; the wider human development of cognitive abilities that could preclude (prevent from happening; make impossible) social engineering and controls.
~Temporal awareness in the 1930s era, later disappears in the 1960s; we now are going back into that era of heightened temporal (relating to worldly as opposed to spiritual affairs; secular, relating to time.) awareness; and the ability to alter time and temporal awareness.

~ Space energies heightened; top of the earth ripped off---reduced oxygen levels on the earth.
~Crypto currencies, block chain: how it works, security; the good and bad; speculation vs. value.
~Fed contractors on the dark web; champions of crypto due to need to conceal transactions

~A monetary store (hard assets/precious metals) vs. a true currency; the VALUE of Bitcoin is in the code and it's ability to tranmit value securely and with trusted accounting; the HASH encryption/decryption schema; the speculation aspects: an emotional response.
~The stability of crypto, the internet, and the power grid; vulnerabilities and strengths.

~The war of the gods and the "Changer"; arrival of the Sky People. the wars between Sky People and Star People. How these wars are programmed into our collective psyche, even our DNA; Fight, Flight, Freeze as instinctive responses to threat.

~Planetary influences on climate and human behavior.
~The early beginnings of the webbot: SUN DISEASE...and now the foreshadowing of the coming ice age...blue plasma energy, huge build-ups of energy in the ionosphere...huge lightening blasts carving the Grand Canyon... David DuByne of Adapt2030 on YouTube...Walter Thornhill, David Talbot "Thunderbolt of the Gods".

~DNA is NOT what we think: Epigenetics as a key to self-transformation on the mental and cellular levels; connections to Tao and Chi energy with epigenetics. "Most humans never change..." (Krishnamurti)
~Stillness, collapse, and Kozyrev's work; consciousness and the ability to find answers; tent revivals of the 1930s, the 1960s revivals; now the open-air mystical experiences; psychedelics/entheogens; New Age, and ....

Hour 2:

~The yogi and the Bluebirds: the quest for something bigger...enter the Orb Beings...Corey Goode, David Wilcock; Google search on Corey Goode, Blue Avians...etc. contains NO negative information; Clif reveals the gaming the Google search engine (SEO) using templates, key word searches, byte codes...a deep "official" operation of skewing web searches.
~Hard researchers vs. soft disclosure"...how legitimate researchers with evidence are marginalized, i.e. Sean Gautreaux, WHO/WHAT IS IN OUR SKIES...

~Corey Goode/Blue Avians as a social engineering project.
~Who is Constantine? The creation of a monolithic narrative/quasi-religious structure: Blue Avians.
~The contamination of the emotional language in the webbot by Goode/Wilcock/Weidner utilizing the reports' Antarctica material. Promulgating emotional reactions; cult-like usage of semiotics (the study of signs and symbols and their use or interpretation.), imagery, and language.

~Issues with David Wilcock
~Incarnational issues with sociopathy/psychopathy.
~Jimmy Church and the "infltration" of UFOlogy; the language behind of Contact In The Desert as a tent meeting; the language co-opted; how a cult points fingers outside itself to own the narrative.

~Clif's detection of stolen narratives in the model space of the webbot; the contamination of the data was being redeployed by the Corey Goode camp. How Clif trapped the Gaia(m) effect in the data.
~The importance of Antarctica
~Spirituality in UFOlogy
~The myths and mind control of “ascension".

~Bill Ryan as Puppetmaster, Jimmy Church as the Enforcer of "order" in the Space Goat Farts sectors.
~Colonel Marrs: The War Through Time, hunters and collectors of past life artifacts; how we have an image/visage through incarnational cycles. Augmenting life cycles with time manipulation via CERN.
~Corey Goode could wind up the "sacrificial lamb"?; the death culture behind "super-soldier" media figures. The Baphomet image, Ramsaur (the Goat God). Strange fire inside the Corey goode camp.

[Mike]

Just listened to that Vinny Eastwood/Maugans interview. Some impressions....

-every time Randy opens his mouth he betrays his bitterness and jealousy that his facebook post didn't get the attention Bill's Avalon post did...and he always uses this topic as an opportunity to say these sort of snide things about Bill and Avalon. He desperately wants the whole ufo community to think he started this movement, all while affecting this coolly detached demeanor about it. It's just silly. Bill didn't reboot after 4 years, he just collated a whole bunch of Corey info he'd already written long before Randy had ever said anything about it, and simply posted it on the forum. And it went "viral" as they say. End of story. Deal with it Randy. Someone will be 'round with a pat on the head and a trophy for participation real soon..don't you worry.

-Vinny Eastwood laughs way too hard and way too long at things he's said that he imagines to be funny. It's actually jarring....almost in the way a clock radio alarm is jarring at 6am.

-What's the difference between corroborating and co-opting/plagiarizing? Randy uses Basiago and a couple others with similar tales as examples of corroboration(implying legitimacy)...while accusing Corey of plagiarizing people like Thompkins and Kramer. But it's a slippery slope - one persons' corroborating story is another person's plagiarism. I personally think all those mentioned above are full of sh!t..but you get my point.

-I'm starting a ufo/conspiracy podcast soon. The world clearly needs me:wink:

-

I'm really glad that Randy brought things out into the light. I'm really glad that Bill did the same. It's not a competition. Both have done great services for the community.


Hi Kristin, I'm glad too!:)

I think some of Randy's takes are excellent. I like the way his mind works for the most part. When he gets going, he's really damn good.

He's wonderful at analyzing everything around him ..a good critic of the community...but totally blind to his own foibles. The implication seems to be that everyone out there has some agenda, but not dignified Randy. Add on to that the little shots he's taken at us in his last few interviews....and, well...i'm getting sick of it already.

I just felt like something had to be said. Enough already.

[Shadowself]

It seems the question of the Phone Mention of a Cory Goode conversation between the Ruiner is in question. Let's put this to bed now.

Here is a screen shot I did at TOT of his post which was a whole huge conversation with one and the same.

Here it is for all to see...posted by Corey himself:

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Cont on next post...

[Shadowself]

Cont as there is only 5 attachment per post:

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Post done by Cory to say he did not edit anything...

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Hoping this puts to bed that the phone copy of the conversation was at a time when he would not be putting his kids to bed and also his full admitting to the conversations that were presented.

The time Cory put his kids to bed...

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For those who can't think properly let me say the highlighted part that is "TELUS with the time of 12:58 PM is the screen shot of the phone and the time the screen shot was taken from a guy that lives in Canada....DUH!

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[Mike]

-I'm starting a ufo/conspiracy podcast soon. The world clearly needs me:wink:

-

if it's to sarcastically comment on all this silliness, I'm with you!

Why does it seem like this (UFOLOGY) community is getting so much attention lately? did someone figure out people interested in UFO's have money? is this apart of the Blue Beam build up?

Seems like this fringe topic has become not-so-fringe of late, I wonder why.


I wonder too!

Clif gives a pretty good breakdown at around the 80 minute mark in the interview with Randy Maugans. He raises more questions than answers maybe, but it kind of echoes my feeling on all of it.

Interestingly enough, Randy commented that the whole blue avian business is *losing* money. Not sure how he knows this. I wish he would have elaborated a little

[Shadowself]

Big bump on this post as it occurred to me the way SITS added this to the already done content that most of their readers have not noticed the add by Bill Ryan.

Take note: It's there for all to see now. Even though it will not show up as a current event on the site as an update.

if you go to the site you will not see it as an update. I can't imagine why?

Here:
http://stillnessinthestorm.com/






Get your questions ready for Corey Goode !

Well, a couple of dozen (at least!) can be generated from this. This is the first time I've made this public.


http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan's_replies_to_Corey_Goode's_response.pdf

This is a 16 page, 5300 word document (though a lot of the words are Corey's) in which I reply in fully referenced detail to his responses to my original The Truth About Corey Goode (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1148567&viewfull=1#post1148567) piece. One friend who read it described it as 'damning'. (And, it is.)

I sent it last week to Justin Deschamps, from Stillness in the Storm (http://stillnessinthestorm.com). He had earlier asked me for my rejoinder.

I had to send it to him twice. He acknowledged it the second time. However, as best I know, he's so far opted NOT to publish it. (But, maybe I'll be wrong: he may simply be busy, and I genuinely hope that's the reason. It wouldn't look all that good for his partiality if my detailed response were to be withheld, after he'd actually asked for it.)



An update on this. Justin wrote to me, yesterday:




Thanks Bill. I have decided to publish it, I just haven't gotten around to it yet. I understand if this might seem like procrastination or underhandedness on my part. I was contemplating how to best handle the situation for all involved, hence my delay. Apologies if you felt maligned.

I will add your comments to the post the you used to formulate your responses. As soon as that is done, (should be later today) I'll send you a link.

Justin

and then





Here you are Bill http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html

My apologies for not tending to this more expeditiously.

Hopefully we can move forward as a people on the issues we all face and not let our disagreements about Goode or anything else needlessly divide us.

[Bill Ryan]

Big bump on this post as it occurred to me the way SITS added this to the already done content that most of their readers have not noticed the add by Bill Ryan.

Take note: It's there for all to see now. Even though it will not show up as a current event on the site as an update.

if you go to the site you will not see it as an update.



Yes, that's right. Justin Deschamps was, let's just say, a little underhand. :)

He very silently added my detailed response to the existing post, dated 2 May (and which is still dated 2 May), with no other announcement or link anywhere.

He wanted to be able to let me know, truthfully, that he'd added it, as I'd asked him to — but took care to keep it all as invisible as possible.

His intention, of course, was that barely anyone would see it. That is the measure of the man, and of his partiality.


http://stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html

[Chester]

Big bump on this post as it occurred to me the way SITS added this to the already done content that most of their readers have not noticed the add by Bill Ryan.

Take note: It's there for all to see now. Even though it will not show up as a current event on the site as an update.

if you go to the site you will not see it as an update.



Yes, that's right. Justin Deschamps was, let's just say, a little underhand. :)

He very silently added my detailed response to the existing post, dated 2 May (and which is still dated 2 May), with no other announcement or link anywhere.

He wanted to be able to let me know, truthfully, that he'd added it, as I'd asked him to — but took care to keep it all as invisible as possible.

His intention, of course, was that barely anyone would see it. That is the measure of the man, and of his partiality.


http://stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html


Opinion: This demonstrates that he knows in his heart that Corey is a fraud but that he also must protect his current "interests" as best he can while still having the opportunity to use "an out" when this all blows up. The "out" would be his ability to state that he did give both Corey and Bill Ryan an opportunity to address the issues knowing that the dates won't matter near to the degree they actually do, again... when it all blows up. His method reveals his own efforts at self preservation and that he is playing both sides "justin case." haha

[Flash]

Big bump on this post as it occurred to me the way SITS added this to the already done content that most of their readers have not noticed the add by Bill Ryan.

Take note: It's there for all to see now. Even though it will not show up as a current event on the site as an update.

if you go to the site you will not see it as an update.



Yes, that's right. Justin Deschamps was, let's just say, a little underhand. :)

He very silently added my detailed response to the existing post, dated 2 May (and which is still dated 2 May), with no other announcement or link anywhere.

He wanted to be able to let me know, truthfully, that he'd added it, as I'd asked him to — but took care to keep it all as invisible as possible.

His intention, of course, was that barely anyone would see it. That is the measure of the man, and of his partiality.


http://stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html


Opinion: This demonstrates that he knows in his heart that Corey is a fraud but that he also must protect his current "interests" as best he can while still having the opportunity to use "an out" when this all blows up. The "out" would be his ability to state that he did give both Corey and Bill Ryan an opportunity to address the issues knowing that the dates won't matter near to the degree they actually do, again... when it all blows up. His method reveals his own efforts at self preservation and that he is playing both sides "justin case." haha

yes it is the same tactics than those used by the mainstream media. Not very honorable in my opinion, nor very truth seeking.

[Chester]

Maybe this has something to do with Corey's recent erratic behavior and "return to so many of his old ways."

http://www.all-alexa.com/siteinfo/spherebeingalliance.com

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[sunwings]

http://exopolitics.org/corey-goode-on-nordic-extraterrestrials-working-with-religious-leaders-for-disclosure/#Addendum

Dr Michael Salla is back! :bs:

For those still questioning the credibility of Goode and his disclosures, I recommend an article published on June 11 where documents and professional references are provided that prove two prominent UFO investigators were conducting a hoax investigation into Goode. The investigators clearly attempted to tarnish Goode’s credibility by saying his former career as a well-respected and highly paid Information Technology consultant was wholly contrived, and therefore he is a “pathological liar”.

I have to date communicated with three Information Technology experts who have corroborated Goode’s professional IT background, and they added that he continues to be highly regarded. In all, five IT professionals have vouched for Goode, four of whom have provided recommendations listed in Goode’s LinkedIn account. What this information clearly shows is that Goode was indeed a highly respected IT professional before going public in 2014 with his extraordinary whistleblower claims.

[3(C)+me]

I had a chat with Sam on what Corey Goode was teliing him about me.... in fact, he read to me the written words of Corey (I may ask him to send them to me). The guy does not know me from Adams (an expression meaning nor any of my ancestors), had never spoken or written to me when he was a member here, and he tried to fill Sam with a whole load of reaaaaal crap. There was enough made up stories that I thought he is fully crazy. Let me tell you, if he did made up such stories about me, who is a quite bland and flat lady, and lost his time on me, woww, the rest is pure invention from a nut head.

I cannot believe that David Wilcock felt for such crap, at any level. I thought he was intelligent.
Luckily, Sam knew me for a good while and had chatted with me quite often. So Corey's inventions hit the wrong guy - to show himself off by putting others down, he was telling Sam things that were supposed to be detrimental to me, but I had already spoken to Sam about the same topic, and it showed Sam Corey was the lier.

I remember someone telling me once that PTB did not care at all about conspiracy forums. And they are right. After Goode, and some others alike, it looks like all conspiracies folks are for a bunch of looneys. This is truly detrimental to the truth movement.

I am sorry for the younger kids with him who will end up losing their reputation - and no real money will come from this for them.

Wake up guys, use your brain and abandon the search for a father figure. He ain't it.

Early on David did some really good work and I think he really wanted to be of positive help but....
his ego and he probably had some meetings with the big wigs and saying things like
"don't you want to reach thousands of people'
don't you want to be the Mick Jagger or David Bowie of the disclosure movement"
His ego was his downfall, his insiders feed him info that was along the Cory line and he took the bate.
Went from probably a good hearted person to being part of the machine.
Oh the reversals....let's turn them around and they don't even know it.

I always figured these company men wanted to get the three year disclosure going so they could have all their eggs in one basket, with avid followers and a trillion facebook likes and speaking at sold out venues so when the their space brothers show up they can tell us, who is who.

"They are going to heal you and clean up the radiation and give you free energy"
and then they will, of course, reverse it all so we now are in a new and improved prison, but we will still have Wi-Fi and facebook and let's not forget Monstanto.

And if you get depressed they will gladly give you the happy drugs for free....

[Bayareamom]

I've read Salla's article. I've seen the documents. Are you saying these documents are somehow fabricated (highly doubtful); are you also saying that all these gentlemen who corroborated Goode's professional IT background are lying? A simple follow-up to the offices of the companies Goode has listed on his Linkedin account would have substantiated his claims as being an IT expert by those of whom were doing an inquiry. I am assuming Salla had CG's permission to contact these professionals re inquiry into his background. Obviously, this was done.

Did Daniel Liszt contact CG re Goode's claims as an IT expert? Did he (Liszt) contact Salla re same? If not, why not? Frankly, if CG's claims were either proven or disproven as to his IT background, would not necessarily negate his background in the SSP. Conversely, if CG was found to have lied about his professional background, this obviously wouldn't have provided further credibility as to his claims regarding the SSP.

While I do believe wholeheartedly that validation, due diligence and credibility are sadly lacking within ufology in many circumstances, I fail to understand the vitriol re this entire CG matter. Seems to me that the world we are living in is sadly lacking in areas of freedom, truth and integrity. While I definitely agree further research into CG's claims is a must, I do not agree w/those of whom are acting as some sort of truth police into this matter.

Should people choose to believe the CG saga re his SSP background, that's their business. I can guarantee you that should CG's claims in this regard be an outright fabrication, that fact will find its way out in the open for all to witness at some point. And should those of whom were believers in this whole saga find out at some point they were, in fact, deceived, that's on them. It's their lesson learned. As much as we would hate to see our loved ones or others get emotionally entangled in this saga, we cannot hold the hands of all those involved and force them onto another path.

As hard as it is not to, we cannot dictate to others what and how they go about living their lives (to a varying degree). To me, if people choose to hop on board this CG train, that's their business. I think this entire issue w/Corey has gotten SO out of hand, it's almost comical to see how this is playing out within ufology circles. And might I add that there was a time wherein some of Corey's naysayers were also involved in somewhat dubious circumstances regarding areas of interest that shall we say, didn't pan out w/the truth issue? People fell for those stories as well.

In the end, all any one of us can do is to stay true to our selves and what may or may not resonate w/us, may not w/someone else. And that's okay.

I have had my own experiences throughout my entire lifetime. Huge experiences. I've made many a mistake in sharing some of my stories with several in the ufology field. My lesson? I don't need someone else's validation re those experiences, nor do I need someone's explanations as to what they THINK they know happened.

I have yet to see the truth buried for long as it pertains to some outlandish story regarding UFOs, etc. Given time, I'm certain one and all will find out if CG's claims are valid w/o all the hype being generated right now about this issue.

Just my .02 worth, though...

[Chester]

I think the problem for some of us, certainly myself, is how the "Corey Goodes", via their elaborate lies, harm the vulnerable, do so without conscience and all for fame and money which is massively selfish. Because I happen to know, personally, some of these vulnerable and how liars like Goode have harmed them, then I don't have any patience for the "Goodes" and I hope the UFO community cleans these messes up and does so ASAP.

And by the way, Salla is clearly a sellout.

Goode is a con man.

[Flash]

If he lies through his teeth when talking about someone to someone else, for really trivial discussions, just imagine what it is when it is relevant for his positioning on the alternative world or when money is involved. Or, like for all ego oriented self absorbed beings, when the promotions of their "grandeur" is threatened, just imagine how much well built lies will go out of his mouth.

This is not vitriol, this is lived experience.

Some other, whom I think they are either lying or greatly enhancing a minute truth, have at least the decency not to lie on ordinary folks trying to live an ordinary life through extremely difficult circumstances, without stealing of harming anybody.

Goode does not even have this basic human decency. Breaking friendships and spllling paranoia instead, that is what he does. I have zero respect for such people.

And I dare anyone of the Young ones with him to try to go against what he says or represent. You will then see his true nature. And I do not mind if he is paid by PTB or not... anyone paid by PTB or not and goes harming others or harming a group has no human decency.


I've read Salla's article. I've seen the documents. Are you saying these documents are somehow fabricated (highly doubtful); are you also saying that all these gentlemen who corroborated Goode's professional IT background are lying? A simple follow-up to the offices of the companies Goode has listed on his Linkedin account would have substantiated his claims as being an IT expert by those of whom were doing an inquiry. I am assuming Salla had CG's permission to contact these professionals re inquiry into his background. Obviously, this was done.

Did Daniel Liszt contact CG re Goode's claims as an IT expert? Did he (Liszt) contact Salla re same? If not, why not? Frankly, if CG's claims were either proven or disproven as to his IT background, would not necessarily negate his background in the SSP. Conversely, if CG was found to have lied about his professional background, this obviously wouldn't have provided further credibility as to his claims regarding the SSP.

While I do believe wholeheartedly that validation, due diligence and credibility are sadly lacking within ufology in many circumstances, I fail to understand the vitriol re this entire CG matter. Seems to me that the world we are living in is sadly lacking in areas of freedom, truth and integrity. While I definitely agree further research into CG's claims is a must, I do not agree w/those of whom are acting as some sort of truth police into this matter.

Should people choose to believe the CG saga re his SSP background, that's their business. I can guarantee you that should CG's claims in this regard be an outright fabrication, that fact will find its way out in the open for all to witness at some point. And should those of whom were believers in this whole saga find out at some point they were, in fact, deceived, that's on them. It's their lesson learned. As much as we would hate to see our loved ones or others get emotionally entangled in this saga, we cannot hold the hands of all those involved and force them onto another path.

As hard as it is not to, we cannot dictate to others what and how they go about living their lives (to a varying degree). To me, if people choose to hop on board this CG train, that's their business. I think this entire issue w/Corey has gotten SO out of hand, it's almost comical to see how this is playing out within ufology circles. And might I add that there was a time wherein some of Corey's naysayers were also involved in somewhat dubious circumstances regarding areas of interest that shall we say, didn't pan out w/the truth issue? People fell for those stories as well.

In the end, all any one of us can do is to stay true to our selves and what may or may not resonate w/us, may not w/someone else. And that's okay.

I have had my own experiences throughout my entire lifetime. Huge experiences. I've made many a mistake in sharing some of my stories with several in the ufology field. My lesson? I don't need someone else's validation re those experiences, nor do I need someone's explanations as to what they THINK they know happened.

I have yet to see the truth buried for long as it pertains to some outlandish story regarding UFOs, etc. Given time, I'm certain one and all will find out if CG's claims are valid w/o all the hype being generated right now about this issue.

Just my .02 worth, though...

[Bayareamom]

Sam,

I'm not saying I disagree w/you to an extent. But you cannot CENSOR what other people choose to believe/accept! Not in this endeavor, at any rate. The best ANY ONE person in this ufology community can do is to try to VALIDATE the claims of Corey Goode in the best way possible. Simply telling me "he's a con man" doesn't cut it, Sam. What PROOF do YOU have that he's a con man? And if you have this proof, I would suggest you forward same to Michael Salla.

I don't know Salla at all. I have read some of his articles throughout the years. I would assume Dr. Michael Salla would not deliberately sully his reputation by putting forth documentation on CG that isn't valid. Why would he do that?

Further, have any of you bothered to read Salla's book re Tompkins? Out of curiousity, and notwithstanding this issue w/CG, I recently purchased Salla's book. I'm just now getting into it, but he's is detailing in minute detail how he came to meet/know Tompkins and the extent to which he examined the documentation Tompkins had regarding his past history. Boxes and boxes of documentation were gone over w/a fine tooth comb by both Salla and Dr. Bob Wood.

I'm as open as a book when it comes to this entire saga, but I have to say, and rather disappointingly, that I am saddened to see so much in the way of vitriolic stance on CG w/o so much as one bit of PROOF to back up any of the naysayers. There is not one bit of information that Bill Ryan put forth to the Dark Journalist that could be used in a court of law. He offered nothing substantial to back up his assertions regarding Corey. I listened to the entire series of interviews. I kept waiting for something to provide validation as to the naysayers. All I heard, instead, were insinuations, claims of an intelligence insider purporting to have taped a conversation between Corey and his wife, etc., so forth. That's not evidence!!!

If there are those of whom feel that the documentation provided by Salla regarding CG's IT background are falsified somehow, THEN PROFFER PROOF. You cannot just call out BS w/o offering proof.

That's all I'm saying.

It's one thing to do one's due diligence and then once that's been done, offer said information on some sort of platform and take it from there. Offer a firm VALID rebuttal to each and every claim. If you can't do that, then however you may feel about CG doesn't really matter. It's just an opinion.

You know me, Sam. I am a stickler for details. And I'm just not seeing that w/this group over here regarding Corey Goode. Not at all.

[Bayareamom]

"And I dare anyone of the Young ones with him to try to go against what he says or represent. You will then see his true nature. And I do not mind if he is paid by PTB or not... anyone paid by PTB or not and goes harming others or harming a group has no human decency."

Then that will be their own lessons to be learned, won't it? You cannot censor what other people choose to accept and/or believe. When you start down that slippery path, you lose your FREEDOM to feel, to think, to opine of your own Free Will. You want that? Then keep going down this path of 'the truth police' in the manner in which you all are. Because that's where this is headed.

I'm all for a level-headed, sound and thorough investigative technique to get to the truth. Then let the chips fall where they may. But continuously sullying someone's character w/o having all the facts, and w/o doing a proper investigation, is just wrong. And I've called out Dolan for this as well. He can say all he wants that he does not find Tompkins to be 'credible,' but to-date has not yet - not one time - offered up any evidence whatsoever to back up his assertions.

[Chester]

Hi Bayareamom,

There's plenty of proof all over the place. There are dozens of folks in this community who experienced first hand multiple examples of Corey Goode lying, story changing, pretending to be someone's friend one minute and enemy the next OR (when it comes to being rated highly by another member of the mutual verification club) going from enemy to friend ala Randy Kramer as an example.

I have posted plenty of it already on this forum and TOT as well. In addition, I have personal experiences with Corey where he lied and did so multiple times and without conscience. Told me things (much of it in chats) which are now proven lies. I don't need to send this to Salla because I know Salla knows Corey is a pathological liar. Salla doesn't care because Salla benefits from his business relationship with Corey Goode.

This thread alone has dozens of examples, several which I posted. All anyone has to do is read it. Of course, also... and as I stated multiple times, I would take a polygraph... in fact pay for it... you find the examiner... as long as they are legitimate and I will pass with flying colors regarding all my personal experiences with Corey Goode.

Note that the time frame of all my own personal experiences with Corey Goode is quite short and so just imagine the multiplicity of lies and story changes others who have known the guy prior to his training have also experienced? Its just a fact and it is sad the guy screws over the vulnerable and does so without any conscience at all whatsoever.

[Chester]

And so it really boils down to this, Bayareamom... You either choose to believe me - and I can back it all up with documentation including detailed Skype chats and the passing of any polygraphs - and you can choose to read all the other information that is all over the internet about this con man which has details which is backed up by screenshots of now deleted or changed posts as well as a great deal of evidence in forum accounts the guy can't change or you can say you haven't seen any of it and then maintain the same thing you stated above about not seeing a shred of evidence by "the naysayers."

It may just be that some folks only allow themselves to see and interpret what they want to see or interpret. In my case, I have real live first hand experience and he knows that I know he's making it all up... that's the funniest thing of all - he knows I know.

[Flash]

You cannot censor what other people choose to accept and/or believe. When you start down that slippery path, you lose your FREEDOM to feel, to think, to opine of your own Free Will. You want that? Then keep going down this path of 'the truth police' in the manner in which you all are. Because that's where this is headed.

I think here that you are full fledge doing psychological projections. Nothing to do with reality. I have censored nobody, I do not impose beliefs, i just invite for a test. And they are free to do it or not. Some more curious may just do it.

But you seem to be doing all you say I am doing. And NO, you will not succeed in shutting me up or making me feel guilty for sharing a real experiernce.

If you do, as you say, sound and leveled investigative technique to get to the truth, so why would my or Sam's comments on lived experience would be any less than Corey presumed experience. At a minimal, we have written proofs.

You have been here on Avalon since 2010, you are not without knowing what went on when Corey was here and then on TOT. Why not giving credibility to witness and events here and at TOT as well? This does not look that sound and thorough from my views standing here. But hey, few people ever change, so you are free to keep your opinions. (I did change mines towards Corey though, my opinion was good when he got in this forum here).


"And I dare anyone of the Young ones with him to try to go against what he says or represent. You will then see his true nature. And I do not mind if he is paid by PTB or not... anyone paid by PTB or not and goes harming others or harming a group has no human decency."

Then that will be their own lessons to be learned, won't it? You cannot censor what other people choose to accept and/or believe. When you start down that slippery path, you lose your FREEDOM to feel, to think, to opine of your own Free Will. You want that? Then keep going down this path of 'the truth police' in the manner in which you all are. Because that's where this is headed.

I'm all for a level-headed, sound and thorough investigative technique to get to the truth. Then let the chips fall where they may. But continuously sullying someone's character w/o having all the facts, and w/o doing a proper investigation, is just wrong. And I've called out Dolan for this as well. He can say all he wants that he does not find Tompkins to be 'credible,' but to-date has not yet - not one time - offered up any evidence whatsoever to back up his assertions.

[Chester]

Another thing too, it is not censuring anything. Some of us wish to raise the awareness of those who may be easily harmed.

Some of us here happen to feel compelled to do what we can to alert as many potential vulnerable as we can that this guy is "pied pipering" the vulnerable into a massively false reality where those of us who understand the danger of that know how these vulnerable can be controlled into giving their energy, their cash and their own personal sovereignty over to someone who understands the power of being perceived as a rock star like so many groupies do (and where these same groupies would do things they would never do otherwise).

[Bayareamom]

Again, Sam. No disrespect, but you've not offered PROOF. I'm NOT calling YOU a liar. I know you mean well, Sam. But stating that you and others have proof that he's lying - ISN'T PROOF in and of itself. Do you understand? I'm not necessarily against some of you here re CG. I've already stated that I know next to nothing about Corey Goode (truly). I am interested in Bill Tompkins' story for reasons of my own. But simply stating that you have documented proof w/o proffering it to those of whom are researching Corey's story, is not going to withstand scrutiny, Sam.

I would hope that should you have proof of CG's lies, that you would proffer that proof to the researchers who are still researching this story.

[Chester]

Again, Sam. No disrespect, but you've not offered PROOF. I'm NOT calling YOU a liar. I know you mean well, Sam. But stating that you and others have proof that he's lying - ISN'T PROOF in and of itself. Do you understand? I'm not necessarily against some of you here re CG. I've already stated that I know next to nothing about Corey Goode (truly). I am interested in Bill Tompkins' story for reasons of my own. But simply stating that you have documented proof w/o proffering it to those of whom are researching Corey's story, is not going to withstand scrutiny, Sam.

I would hope that should you have proof of CG's lies, that you would proffer that proof to the researchers who are still researching this story.

Excuse me but I have and you apparently have decided to ignore it. You can find it in several posts in this thread, in several places in this forum and on other forums. And this has now become a solid fact. Why you wish to play this game like this is surprising to me. And sad.

So tell me? Why are you ignoring my proof?

Why are you pretending I have not provided proof that Corey Goode breaks his word, lies, makes ultimatums to people as to what friends they can have and threatens people?

Would you please send all these researchers my way? I am happy to share with each and every one of them all my proof, including things that have not been made public for reasons Corey Goode well knows why.

Give them my e-mail address and send all these researchers my way - please.

[Bayareamom]

Flash,

You stated, "You have been here on Avalon since 2010, you are not without knowing what went on when Corey was here and then on TOT. Why not giving credibility to witness and events here and at TOT as well? This does not look that sound and thorough from my views standing here. But hey, few people ever change, so you are free to keep your opinions. (I did change mines towards Corey though, my opinion was good when he got in this forum here)."

You've just reinforced some of what I've been saying.

First, let me clue you in (and I have proof for this): I became a member in 2010 at this Forum, but for some reason, perhaps a technical glitch, I wasn't able to log on for a very long time. I repeatedly received a notification that I was not permitted to log onto this Forum, which was very, very strange given that I'd not commented on this Forum much, if at all, by the time I started receiving these type notifications. I had to contact Bill Ryan personally to remedy the situation (which he did).

SO - I never read up on ANY of the Corey Goode discussions because of this. I knew NOTHING about Corey Goode until approximately two years or so ago, and even then, his story never piqued my interest. I really knew next to nothing about his entire story. In fact, when I spoke w/a couple of researchers about my own story, I was asked by two of them if I knew about Corey and my reply was that I did not.

So you've made assumptions here, Flash, about my history w/this Forum, assumptions which were not true. See what I mean about PROOF? You didn't actually know what my history was w/this Forum and went ahead and made an assertion about me in your comment when you didn't really know the facts.

I would ask for all of you to consider this: Suppose you were the one in Corey's situation, ONLY YOU WERE telling the truth. And supposing a researcher came forth, had heard about your story, and deemed it completely false and that person never once spoke w/you, nor had they spent any time whatsoever in researching your case prior to putting forth assertions that your story was invalid/false. In short, they've called you a liar. How would you feel?

And I am not stating that I believe Corey Goode's story!!! I am just asking you to put yourselves in this position.

Wouldn't you want ANY researcher, prior to making such a statement, at the minimum, do his/her homework when trying to validate your story? As always, as well, just about every researcher is going to have some sort of self-censorship when it comes to this genre. That's hard to steer clear of. But yet, learning to keep an open mind, while at the same time using one's discernment and common sense, is what is desperately needed when researching this type of phenomenon.

There are, I KNOW, individuals of whom are involved within the SSP and have been so, for a very long time. I can guarantee you, from my own knowledge, that most of those individuals have not come forward, for a variety of reasons. But having said that, there's always a first time for everything. Truth is a tricky thing. It can be right there in front of your nose, but you won't recognize it for a variety of reasons. Personally, I have never heard of the Blue Avians, and neither do I have the type background that Corey states he has.

Do I believe his story? I would have to say at this time...NO. But having said that, I am not calling him a liar. Ever hear the story (which is true) about the Judge who, during one of the trials he presided over...he looked at the witness on the stand and said, "I don't believe you, but that doesn't mean that I think you're lying."

This entire phenomenon makes it so very difficult to research because of the nature of the beast. It does not lend itself to the tangible type of evidence we all crave down here as proof for anything. IT WAS DESIGNED THIS WAY FOR A PURPOSE. It is possible to cross-reference w/other researchers (if they're willing to do so) and perform other type research in order to help validate any one particular story out there.

From what I can see, Dr. Salla is endeavoring to do just this. I'm willing to keep an open mind on this story because of my own interest in the Bill Tompkins issue.

[norman]

I completely fail to understand the reason why anyone even has to prove Corey is a liar.

Surely the whole point here is that Corey has to prove that his story has any truth in it.

[Chester]

I completely fail to understand the reason why anyone even has to prove Corey is a liar.

Surely the whole point here is that Corey has to prove that his story has any truth in it.

Agree except when it comes to the vulnerable... This is what is supposed to make the human being something we see as "good about being human." Helping out the vulnerable.

[Bayareamom]

And what is TOT? I know I may have visited another Forum (I've visited a lot of other forums), but have never joined any other Forum to my best recollection (other than to the MUFON Forum way back in 2006). But again, this doesn't really matter, because Flash is assuming I must know from TOT about CG, so this must equate to my knowledge about Goode, although I've repeatedly stated I know next to nothing about CG's story.

I will say that since this entire issue has come up w/CG, and BECAUSE of my interest in Bill Tompkins, I have read up just a little about CG, but quite frankly, it just doesn't interest me.

TOMPKINS, on the other hand, DOES.

[Flash]

Wouldn't you want ANY researcher, prior to making such a statement, at the minimum, do his/her homework when trying to validate your story

yes and this is my point: you are insisting of giving the chance to the runner to proof his score, while this same runner trampled you without any regards of who you are, the reason for your presence etc. In fact, Cory does not know me at all, never communicated with me on any topic direclty (except for a few posts I wrote on his threads, to which he never answered) and he spread lies about me, invented stories on whom I was speaking with, wjat I said, how often, my intentions, etc.

I wish I could have had presumption of being a nice person.

Also, I am sorry you were most probably inadvertendly barred from posting here. There is numerous thread you could read to get to know what happened here with Corey, if you wish. It helps the understanding. And can you believe, despite those threads and what I had read, I still was not despising him or anything. Until I realised he has spread lies on me, for no reasons except showing himself and knowledgeable and all knowing.

[Bayareamom]

Hi Sam,

I've not read the entirety of your comments here about CG, because as I've stated Sam, I'm just not that interested in the Goode saga. What I am saying is - if you have solid foundational facts that Corey has lied about whatever, have you at all proffered this information to the researchers who are involved w/his case? If not, why haven't you? I HAVE read the comments made by Salla and by Dechamps (however you spell his name). I felt both men have provided sufficient rebuttal to the naysayers re Goode's story. I listened, raptly, to the entirety of Bill Ryan's interview with the Dark Journalist.

What I FIND SAD is that Bill Ryan did not offer one single solitary piece of evidence which would refute what he claims would prove that CG is not telling the truth. I was waiting for it! Didn't happen.

Furthermore, PRIOR to my own short investigation into this entire saga, I informed one of my acquaintances that CG was a fraud, W/O HAVING DONE MY OWN HOMEWORK on this issue myself. BUT after listening to Bill Ryan's interview on the DJ, I decided I needed to delve further into this, given my own personal interest w/Bill Tompkins.

I tried to stay as neutral as possible as I started looking into the other side's point of view. To my chagrin, I realized I may have jumped the shark and not performed my own credible research prior to telling my friend about my feelings about CG (and admittedly I did this when I knew next to nothing to CG, just what my instincts at that time were telling me).

I am not at all saying Corey's the real deal. I feel there have been a handful of individuals out there who are definitely credible, just not certain if CG is one of them.

You can claim you have 'proof,' but if that proof doesn't hold up in some valid way within which to validate or disprove someone's credibility, it's not really proof. It's an opinion.

And as I pointed out earlier to you, Sam, even if Corey lied to YOU about what have you, this doesn't mean that the information Dr. Salla has found documenting CG's professional background, isn't valid. The documentation is right there within that article that Dr. Salla wrote awhile ago.

Rather than bickering back and forth about CG, why not just go ahead and try to find some way to PROVE irrefutably that Corey isn't telling the truth? But you cannot just take hearsay and run with it. Keep ALL EMOTION OUT of your research. Find out as much as you can about some of his claims and present it in an adult like fashion, bullet point all the essentials, and take it from there.

Otherwise, you're all just bickering over a guy that, in the end, isn't going to amount to much, because guys - he's going forward whether you like it or not. But again, if he's lying, that'll all come out in the wash at some point anyway.

[Bayareamom]

Flash,

I'm sorry, but I know absolutely nothing about your issues with CG and I don't want to. You've just told me all I need to know about your own misgivings about CG. I'm sorry if he's hurt you, but I don't want to get involved w/that type of discussion here.

[Bob]

I completely fail to understand the reason why anyone even has to prove Corey is a liar.

Surely the whole point here is that Corey has to prove that his story has any truth in it.

Hia Norman - I could have quoted Flash or Sam Hunter, but their posts are pretty deep. Before we go off in to la la land.. can anyone absolutely believe that big blue birds are traveling to this solar system in large spheroid ships, and have a straight face, and not try to convince the "forums" that such a dialog is worth of discussion. Hearing such, immediately I would trash such a statement, and the purveyor of such for having insidious or nefarious purposes. At that point I would NOT in any moment waste any of my time.. If I would spend ANY time pointing such out, it would be for this particular post on this Forum.. Common sense.. No proof, ignore the nonsense, and don't try "forum discussion logic methods" on us. Ludicrous is Ludicrous.. Anybody wanting to debate ludicrous is wasting energy trying to "test" "opinion" logics. It holds no merit..

It's ludicrous trying to get "blue avians" into any acceptable discussion platform.. Please folks come to present time, and get out of lunacy..

[Chester]

Here's a little story for you Bayareamom.

Start with this post - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44353-My-possible-abduction-experience&p=475983&viewfull=1#post475983

Then fast forward to the end of 2012 when I heard Simon Parkes describe an event where a "Mantid" placed a round object in his left hand...

see this video -

QzQTqGOlcWc

Notes – at 7:30 – “... and what happens is, they want to put something into my hand...” (note, later Simon says it was his “left hand”).

Now imagine being me and having spent almost fifty years trying to find answers as to what happened to me when I was six years old and hearing this from Simon Parkes who was a rising star at that time (Dec 2012).

And then imagine finding out that Simon was born on September 7, 1960 and that because I am fairly good with math, I realized that when this event occurred to Simon, was, a few months at most, from when I had my experience. And so then imagine reaching out through contacts to establish a connection with Simon (hoping to discover some answers) and being invited by Simon to PM him which then led to a promise from Simon that we would Skype (he had given me his Skype addy and we had made contact)... but then, for all sorts of other untimely reasons, not only did the meeting never happen, but instead, I was contacted by Corey Goode in relation to information Corey felt needed to be supplied to "Charles" (Atticus / Stephen Hodges). Now I can prove that Corey contacted me for this very reason. Yet Corey himself stated recently something to the effect that I was a friend of a friend (implying we were introduced by this "then" mutual friend) - a mutual friend that Corey borrowed $1,200 from under the promise to pay it back whereby what he actually did was begin to ignore that friend. All of this has been proven by the way. In fact, because Corey was publicly shamed about the money "someone" (speculation GaiamTV folks or perhaps Wilcock) got the money paid back within hours but that is another story albeit an example of his character which... by the way, when it comes to expecting people to believe the unprovable, perhaps character assessment is wise and called for...

So there are a few "proofs" - all you have to do is send these researchers my way and I can completely prove it all... trust me, I have that proof. Thankfully Skype always used to download all chat histories on whatever machines one logs onto by simply opening the chats in various computers, so all conversations with Goode are well preserved and all the metadata files, etc.

So back to the "lesson" - what I ended up experiencing with four different alt media stars or alt media fringe players (Goode being one of them) was that each one had had (and in some cases were still having) interactions with the famous mythical space god, Anu. Now if this is the actual case, then surely each one of their descriptions of Anu would pretty much match up, right? Wellll..... that turned out not to be the case.

So at least three of the four are lying orrrrr.... wait! Maybe there were false images implanted in them where the real Anu's actual physical appearance is unknown to any of them! Of Course!

ha... so you see how they play the game, Bayareamom. And if there be real experiencers out there, the last thing you see them doing is "going on the road" selling their story.

[norman]

Bayareamom, I have very little to add to this argument myself but having read your posts, I think I might as well say this much.

From a wide angle view of the dynamics of this situation, "Dr" Salla should be taken with at least as big a pinch of salt as Corey Goode. Tompkins is an interesting fella I've found fascinating too. The documents that appeared at the Rense website last year were at first glance impressive but when I thought it all through, I had to come to the conclusion that they don't actually tell us any more than that he was involved in war harvested information distribution, which is very standard practise without bringing exotic tech into the picture.

If you are reading Salla's book about Tompkins, keep an eye out for anything specific that actually nails down something exotic that is more than a think tank project. I'll be grateful if you bring it here to this forum for discussion.

[Chester]

Hi Sam,

I've not read the entirety of your comments here about CG, because as I've stated Sam, I'm just not that interested in the Goode saga. What I am saying is - if you have solid foundational facts that Corey has lied about whatever, have you at all proffered this information to the researchers who are involved w/his case? If not, why haven't you?

I have, Bayareamom, and in each and every case, the individual left knowing that everything I have shared is 100% detailed, with a good bit of documentation backup and... the truth.

So the question is now to you. Do you think that a Salla or a Jimmie Church or a George Noory or any of the possibly serious folks at Gaia or Wilcock would actually want to vette my information? Your question should not be, "why haven't I proffered this information" because I have. The question should be, "Why have not any single one of those researchers contacted me so I could?"

All my comments on their sites, Youtube pages, etc... all asking them to contact me, that I have plenty of proof he's a pathological liar... NONE have taken me up on it. Not a single one. Isn't that telling? It is so obvious... they do not want to be exposed, Bayareamom. THAT is what is starring everyone unarguably right in the face. Please, go ask each one why they avoid my proof. Maybe they won't ignore you. If not... give them my contact information. Please.

[Chester]

But again, if he's lying, that'll all come out in the wash at some point anyway.

This is the point... We are the wash. Corey's resume was NOT that same resume 5 years ago. It has been massively embellished. If Corey made "high six figures" (his words we have proven are his and still show on another forum) that would show on his tax returns. Why won't Corey produce those??? That would lay the whole argument to rest, yes? But he won't. What does that tell you?

@Bob... Agree, Bob yet there are plenty of vulnerables who are not doing the same job in discerning as you are and as Norman is. That's the reason I have vigorously posted.

[Wind]

What is ironic and sort of sad is that many in the alternative community of ours just want to hear a nice captivating fantasy story. They are interesting stories with some entertainment value, but in the end they have nothing to do with the truth and reality. When ever I want to see or hear a nice & compelling fantasy or sci-fi story I read a book, go to the movies or play a video game. Generally they're much better than some stories about blue avians riding around with gigantic balls!

I don't assume that some crazy stories on the net would be the truth, at least not the ones of this scale for crying out loud. Meanwhile I too know that we have never been alone nor never will be, when it comes to visitors from other planets.

I'm just baffled to see how people are willing to believe all of these storytellers or should I say conmen without giving it much of a thought. It's just the human emotions fooling us around. It's not about relying on intuition nor on common sense. People just rather would want to live into the fantasy.

Unfortunately Corey isn't the only conman in this community, he's just one of many and happens to be one of the rising stars at the moment. What sense does it make for a contact person to become a "rock star" type figure anyways? The truth is never about the messenger, it's always about the message or at least should be.

In Corey's case there's just enough evidence to show that his story is made up. If he was about the truth he would come forward and admit that he has made a mistake and would seek redemption for it. Do you ever see conmen or pathological liars doing that? I don't, because they are compelled to spin yarns for their own selfish reasons. I wish it wasn't so. I do wonder for how long this "issue" of Corey will be talked about, probably as long as he will be staying in the limelight. This community needs to have a wake up call too, because it's half asleep.

[Chester]

Yes, Wind... and the sad part is that there are those who have had bona fide anomalous experiences who are afraid to share them for fear of being ridiculed because they understand the unbelievable nature of their own actual experiences... and so they lose too. In part because the professional fantasists make up overpowering yarns that smother the real experiences of real anomalous experiencers.

[turiya]

Unfortunately Corey isn't the only conman in this community...

...Corey will be talked about, probably as long as he will be staying in the limelight. This community needs to have a wake up call too, because it's half asleep.
I wouldn't say that Corey Goode is knowingly being a con-man.
Corey, himself, has been the subject of being conned & exploited through his own high 'gullibility factor'. And, I don't mean by those that only are affiliated with Gaia TV... In other words, having a 'high gullibility factor' will result in one being, or feeling, 'conned.'

He's no better, or worse, than any of those that UFOlogy has notably called their esteemed UFO researchers... No better, or worse, than so many of the contactees, abductees, MILABs and the countless numbers of people that have received channeled messages from supposed 'benevolent' ETs...

No better, or worse, than Dolores Cannon... who channeled ETs through the clients that she put under hypnosis... no better, or worse than Andrija Puharich who did the exact same thing to those he put under hypnosis back in the early - mid '70s. No better, or worse than Barbara Lamb, who was Dolores Cannon's student protégé who convinced those abducted to accept their abductors as benevolent entities...

No better, or worse, than Dorothy Martin (When Prophecy Fails)... The prophecy failed when her cult wasn't swept away by ET ships coming to rescue them before the world ended - and then, the world still hasn't ended...

No better, or worse, than Drunvalo Melchizedek who has promoted his connection with Plasma Beings...

No better, or worse, than Alex Collier, Tolec, or Winston Shrout, or Zecharia Sitchin, or Simon Parkes, or William Tompkins who recently was interviewed by Project Camelot... "All Reptilians can shape-shift into looking like a human being..." - makes one wonder... If Reptilians can shape shift into looking like beautiful human beings, then why is it so far-fetched that they could, perhaps, change their shape to looking like a blue bird alien? Or, a plasma being? Or, a matid alien type entity?

And, certainly no better, or worse, than anybody else that has been on the receiving end of transmitted messages meant to seduce human beings to unknowingly work to serve their self-serving alien agenda...

Indeed, most of us are still half-asleep...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L6rLen9CLU

[Wind]

I think you're giving him too much credit, he is knowingly in it for the money and what makes it worse that Wilcock is in it too although I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Wilcock just may be gullible enough although yet he's highly intelligent too, so it makes me wonder about him a bit. In any case, greed is a sickening thing.

Not sure about all of those other names, but Dolores Cannon seemed to have been the real deal and her information was and is very valuable to this date. It's laughable to even mention her at the same post with Goode. When it comes to her stance on the abductions, I believe that she was told not to tell everything about those cases. Even in the PC interview she mentioned that she had some warnings from shady characters about her work.

[turiya]

Do You Know Barbara Lamb? pt1 (https://youtu.be/TiIOfuJlnxI)
(Published on Jan 6, 2016)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TiIOfuJlnxI/hqdefault.jpg
VIDEO (https://youtu.be/TiIOfuJlnxI)

____________________

Dolores Cannon comes in about midway into this video, which is a partial exposé of Barbara Lamb...
it should at least give an open minded person reason to pause...
Especially, when it comes to making a judgment call on anyone comes forth with claims regarding contact with extraterrestrials...


Do You Know Barbara Lamb? Pt 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AocvAvphX-U)
(Published on Apr 21, 2016)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AocvAvphX-U/hqdefault.jpg
VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AocvAvphX-U)

[Did You See Them]

Well by now I think all the bases are covered. (All you Base are belong to Us )

Any developments in ufology/disclosure have all now been written in to Corys CORE story.
Any future disclosure of US Secret space vehicles ( which they undoubtedly possess ), discoveries in Antarctica, discoveries on Mars, the backside of the moon, The Pyramids, Incas, MILabs, medicine, Transport etc etc are all going to part of his "truth of proof" of Blue Avians !
Any meteor will be a space battle, any launch failure a move by the Cabal or the Aliance and any archaeological discovery will be a cover story for something more
The fact that techknowledgy is advancing naturally ( think of the ehang personal quadrocopter the Hyperloop etc ) will also become apart of the "proof"
My avatar is my pic of a sphere I took on Jan 12, 2008 - Its a sphere - a ufo - the real deal ! - But it's NOT a blue avian sphere - It's a ufo and thats all that I know as does everybody else after all this time thats seen similar but I'm sure Corey would say it fits in with what he either experienced or saw on a "glass smart pad" if asked.

They have set up a story that can run and run and ANYTHING that happens in the field of ufology is now fair game to be incorporated into the core(y) story that "they" have developed. Move over Greer / Delonge etc - we present a new Messiah !!

On a positive note - after reviewing Corey's IT resume I think I can now "up" my job description from a humble "Network Engineer" to "IT Expert" - PS - will advise what my employer says when I tell him I want a six figure salary to accompany my new position !

[Sequoia]

I like your style Did You See Them, that's pretty much it! :ROFL::clapping:

[Chester]

Unfortunately Corey isn't the only conman in this community...

...Corey will be talked about, probably as long as he will be staying in the limelight. This community needs to have a wake up call too, because it's half asleep.
I wouldn't say that Corey Goode is knowingly being a con-man.
Corey, himself, has been the subject of being conned & exploited through his own high 'gullibility factor'. And, I don't mean by those that only are affiliated with Gaia TV... In other words, having a 'high gullibility factor' will result in one being, or feeling, 'conned.'

He's no better, or worse, than any of those that UFOlogy has notably called their esteemed UFO researchers... No better, or worse, than so many of the contactees, abductees, MILABs and the countless numbers of people that have received channeled messages from supposed 'benevolent' ETs...

No better, or worse, than Dolores Cannon... who channeled ETs through the clients that she put under hypnosis... no better, or worse than Andrija Puharich who did the exact same thing to those he put under hypnosis back in the early - mid '70s. No better, or worse than Barbara Lamb, who was Dolores Cannon's student protégé who convinced those abducted to accept their abductors as benevolent entities...

No better, or worse, than Dorothy Martin (When Prophecy Fails)... The prophecy failed when her cult wasn't swept away by ET ships coming to rescue them before the world ended - and then, the world still hasn't ended...

No better, or worse, than Drunvalo Melchizedek who has promoted his connection with Plasma Beings...

No better, or worse, than Alex Collier, Tolec, or Winston Shrout, or Zecharia Sitchin, or Simon Parkes, or William Tompkins who recently was interviewed by Project Camelot... "All Reptilians can shape-shift into looking like a human being..." - makes one wonder... If Reptilians can shape shift into looking like beautiful human beings, then why is it so far-fetched that they could, perhaps, change their shape to looking like a blue bird alien?

And, certainly no better, or worse, than anybody else that has been on the receiving end of transmitted messages meant to seduce human beings to unknowingly work to serve their self-serving agenda...

Indeed, most of us are still half-asleep...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L6rLen9CLU

Ahhhh and yes, the gullibility factor. I know it well. I experienced this as well (as many members of two or more years may know real well). But what I did not do was take the next (big) step which was to jump on the band wagon, take my research and combine that with my imagination to then (knowingly) sell myths and the coveted commodity, false hope, to the vulnerable while becoming a rock star in the process where gushing teens flood Youtube channels with video testimonies all and only about my 'incredibleness.' Again... done knowingly.

Now, maybe if I wasn't a short, fat, one eyed goon looking creature, maybe I might have thought I could pass as a space fraud.

[Chester]

Well by now I think all the bases are covered. (All you Base are belong to Us )

Any developments in ufology/disclosure have all now been written in to Corys CORE story.
Any future disclosure of US Secret space vehicles ( which they undoubtedly possess ), discoveries in Antarctica, discoveries on Mars, the backside of the moon, The Pyramids, Incas, MILabs, medicine, Transport etc etc are all going to part of his "truth of proof" of Blue Avians !
Any meteor will be a space battle, any launch failure a move by the Cabal or the Aliance and any archaeological discovery will be a cover story for something more
The fact that techknowledgy is advancing naturally ( think of the ehang personal quadrocopter the Hyperloop etc ) will also become apart of the "proof"
My avatar is my pic of a sphere I took on Jan 12, 2008 - Its a sphere - a ufo - the real deal ! - But it's NOT a blue avian sphere - It's a ufo and thats all that I know as does everybody else after all this time thats seen similar but I'm sure Corey would say it fits in with what he either experienced or saw on a "glass smart pad" if asked.

They have set up a story that can run and run and ANYTHING that happens in the field of ufology is now fair game to be incorporated into the core(y) story that "they" have developed. Move over Greer / Delonge etc - we present a new Messiah !!

On a positive note - after reviewing Corey's IT resume I think I can now "up" my job description from a humble "Network Engineer" to "IT Expert" - PS - will advise what my employer says when I tell him I want a six figure salary to accompany my new position !

Check out my own "UFO" photo...

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[ThePythonicCow]

On a positive note - after reviewing Corey's IT resume I think I can now "up" my job description from a humble "Network Engineer" to "IT Expert" - PS - will advise what my employer says when I tell him I want a six figure salary to accompany my new position !

I trust you won't forget your friends after the big raise comes through.

The Avalon forum could use a few more modest donations. :cow:

[RunningDeer]

The Avalon forum could use a few more modest donations. :cow:
:bump:

Good reminder. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/cow2.gif.....http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/cow.gif

[AutumnW]

Flash,

I'm sorry, but I know absolutely nothing about your issues with CG and I don't want to. You've just told me all I need to know about your own misgivings about CG. I'm sorry if he's hurt you, but I don't want to get involved w/that type of discussion here.

But that is exactly the type of discussion that IS occurring here. Goode is being vetted for credibility and honesty. Personal dealings with this individual are probably THE most vital component needed to form a complete profile of the man. Why is that NOT important to you?

[AutumnW]

Turiya, Sam,

If you dismiss a con job as springing from gullibility on the part of the conman, you're mistaken. The intentional con factor can be measured by how much money and or narcissistic supply is being garnered from their endeavours. Those who aren't making a lot of money and selling t-shirts are likely more of the gullible type you describe.

[AutumnW]

But again, if he's lying, that'll all come out in the wash at some point anyway.

This is the point... We are the wash. Corey's resume was NOT that same resume 5 years ago. It has been massively embellished. If Corey made "high six figures" (his words we have proven are his and still show on another forum) that would show on his tax returns. Why won't Corey produce those??? That would lay the whole argument to rest, yes? But he won't. What does that tell you?

@Bob... Agree, Bob yet there are plenty of vulnerables who are not doing the same job in discerning as you are and as Norman is. That's the reason I have vigorously posted.

Love it. "We ARE the wash!"😀😀😀

[Matthew]

The embellishment of career status while whistle-blowing is a hint about integrity. To most here it is a red flag but to those who have bought into it I think they would brush it aside.

This post by Mike and others is how I would try and reach those who've bought into it:




I agree that Poly would be great, but will never happen. Good luck getting one SSP "whistle blower" to take one.

Agree and IMO "telling."

I do recall Whitley Strieber took some polygraphs and other neurological tests. Imagine if Corey would do that and also take UI tests?

http://www.unknowncountry.com/whitleys-space/striebers-test-results-show-normal-adult-telling-truth

Hi Sam,

Yep, and Strieber agreed to hypnosis as well.

If I were Corey, I'd be taking any damn test that was thrown my way. Anything to attempt to prove my authenticity. It would be so sooo easy.

I love the challenge you put out there Sam. Love it. He won't take any tests but it still serves an important purpose.

With this possibly very important note about polygraphs (that I confess I don't really understand)
...
Hence, while polys are no good on true (self-employed) sociopaths, there would be every reason for a mind control victim to give them a wide berth.

[turiya]

I know that many will find the notion hard to take. That is, the notion that Dolores Cannon had been (unknowingly) a working agent for an Extraterrestrial agenda. An agenda that really doesn't have good intentions for the human race, in general. Since their time investigating Earth humans, it's easy to see how humanity has become obsessed with making money. It then should be no surprise to anyone if it were found that the Rothschild banking system has had an Extraterrestrial oversight connection...

Dolores Cannon made quite a bit of money selling volumes of her books that contained the information that she obtained from the Extraterrestrials that were channeled through her clients that she put under hypnosis. Yes, it's a bit upscaled from selling T-shirts... the ETs understood how to keep their 'agents' coming back for more... Providing 'new' information so that more books & lectures would be forthcoming.


Dolores Cannon @ 24m:40sec :



"I don't interrupt the session. I am there for the therapy and the counseling of the person. But when something is needed, like a new theory that I have to know about, or new information for my next book, they just interrupt the session and tell me, "Dolores, this is what you need to know for your next book."




Do You Know Barbara Lamb? Pt 2 (https://youtu.be/AocvAvphX-U?t=24m40s)
(Published on Apr 21, 2016)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AocvAvphX-U/hqdefault.jpg
VIDEO (https://youtu.be/AocvAvphX-U?t=24m40s)

[AutumnW]

Turiya,

She seems to be quite aware that she is receiving info from ET's. The question for me is whether people really are in contact or not.

[turiya]

AutumnW

You appear to be one that would have quite a low "gullibility factor."
If you're not sure what I'm referring to...
This would mean that it would be a good quality for one to possess.

:)

[onawah]

Dolores Cannon lived very near the town where I live, and she often appeared at the annual UFO Conference in Eureka Springs, AR., which I have attended and volunteered at.
I know people who were in a group that she led some years ago, and so they got pretty up close and personal.
From what I have heard, she was quite an egotistical person, very ambitious and self serving, and even unkind.
I only met her casually so I don't know much other than second hand, but I was not at all comfortable with her vibe.
I would not say that her motives were entirely altruistic, and I take much of what she's said with a lot of grains of salt.

[AutumnW]

AutumnW

You appear to be one that would have quite a low "gullibility factor."
If you're not sure what I'm referring to...
This would mean that it would be a good quality for one to possess.

:)

Thanks Turiya. I'm actually really gullible. I would love to agree with you though. My weakness is hard luck stories. Will pm you! Wait for incoming😀

[The Moss Trooper]

I'm actually really gullible.


Hey AutumnW,

my one-eared, three-legged, deaf, half-tailed dog, called 'Lucky', just got hit by a car this very afternoon! Can't believe it.

Am $100 short for the vets fees. Any chance?

;)

[AutumnW]

I'm actually really gullible.


Hey AutumnW,

my one-eared, three-legged, deaf, half-tailed dog, called 'Lucky', just got hit by a car this very afternoon! Can't believe it.

Am $100 short for the vets fees. Any chance?

;)

LOL! You know me well!😀

[Malgorzata]

Hello Bill!

Can you tell us a bit more about your own graphic novel that you allegedly did, or endorsed, for the Serpo Project? I am talking about the recent video that came up. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsBJ5xi4gRY

[Bill Ryan]

Hello Bill!

Can you tell us a bit more about your own graphic novel that you allegedly did, or endorsed, for the Serpo Project? I am talking about the recent video that came up. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsBJ5xi4gRY

I certainly didn't 'do' it, or even 'endorse' it, but I did (I believe, from memory) write a foreword after I was asked.

Whatever I wrote, I'm pretty sure I'd agree with it now. My stance was always, after quite an early stage, that the Serpo story was a huge distortion (with much disinfo added) of some astonishing, real events. I stand by that now. I wrote about that extensively, as a kind of summary, in this newsletter... do read.


http://projectavalon.net/Project_Avalon_Newsletter_4_24_January_2015.pdf

My the way, Mike Waskosky, who made the video, is an Avalon member (we have discovered!) and he's been posting here.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97897-Dark-Journalist-A-Six-Part-Series-on-The-New-Age-Deep-State&p=1164263&viewfull=1#post1164263

(I've sent Mike a PM inviting him to reply to your post himself, which I hope he may.)

[waskosky]

Hello Bill!

Can you tell us a bit more about your own graphic novel that you allegedly did, or endorsed, for the Serpo Project? I am talking about the recent video that came up. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsBJ5xi4gRY

I know very little of the circumstances surrounding the creation of this graphic novel, and have no reason to doubt Bill's claims about not being very involved.

I compiled more images and summary in an album here: http://imgur.com/a/4p1cv

I created a short video to give an idea of the contents here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRBVoW6i9zI

This is a link to view all current sellers of new and used copies https://www.abebooks.com/products/isbn/9781934692400?cm_sp=bdp-_-9781934692400-_-isbn10

[Callista]

This is from Kevin Randle http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/are-some-tales-just-too-wild-to-believe.html

TUESDAY, JULY 04, 2017

Are Some Tales Just too Wild to Believe: Corey Goode and Andrew Basiago

When I interviewed Jan Harzan recently, I expressed my concern about the direction of MUFON and some of those invited to make presentations at the Symposium. I thought that some of the speakers were less than credible, thinking specifically about one man who seemed to claim to some sort of time travel before I realized there were two. Harzan’s response was that he wanted to give the membership a chance to hear the tales and decide for themselves if they believed them or not. The thinking here, I believe, was present an interesting program that provided data on the alleged secret space program, even if the evidence of such a thing didn’t exist, other than some testimony from some rather dubious sources. Besides, it would draw in more paying attendees but really has little to do with UFO research.

One of those speaking is Corey Goode, whose bio seemed to be more like that of Ender Wiggin. For those of you who don’t read science fiction, Ender Wiggin was a six-year-old boy who was recruited into the International [Space] Fleet in the fight against the Buggers, an alien race that had invaded the Solar System, twice. The fight would be taken to them, on other planets in other star systems. Ender was a genus at strategy and tactics and something of an empath, though that it never actually spelled out in the book. Instead, at the moment he comes to love his enemy, that is the moment that he destroys them… though by the end of the book, he is the one who saves that alien race from extermination. I mention this because of some of the parallels that I see among the speakers at the Symposium.

According to the bio of Goode, found at the MUFON website, under Symposium and Speakers, we learn:

Identified as an intuitive empath (IE), Corey Goode was recruited into Military Special Access Programs (SAP) at the age of 6. This program groomed Corey to be drafted into a Secret Space Program called “Solar Warden” in 1986. For the next 20 years Corey was assigned to a research vessel as well as being pulled into multiple other related assignments. This was designated as a “20 & Back” assignment which involved age regression (via Pharmaceutical means) as well as time regressed to the point of beginning service.

In 2015 Corey Goode was featured on a ground breaking new series on Gaia TV called “Cosmic Disclosure”. Corey has been sharing his experiences in these SAP’s in what has now become 7 seasons of Cosmic Disclosure.

I’m sorry but I don’t believe any of this except maybe that his name is Corey Goode. He has no evidence, or maybe I should say no reputable evidence, that any of this is true. I can’t file FOIA, I can’t see the headquarters or the office. Nor do I believe that the Navy had built “space carriers,” which if true would have required a crew of hundreds. Why are there no others talking about this? Obviously there has been no repercussions for Goode violating his oath. He hasn’t been prosecuted for it which show have inspired other “whistleblowers,” though none have come forward.

Andrew Basiago : Time traveler.

Even worse, if possible, is the tale told by Andrew Basiago, an attorney who claims that he, too, as a child was involved in some strange things including time travel, “jumping” to Mars through some sort of apparatus that might have been controlled by the CIA. According to him:

His talk will include the origins of Project Mars of the 1980s in Project Pegasus of the1970s; the program's goals; the training seminar; the identity of the young Americans who were the speaker's fellow trainees; NASA's involvement in selecting the jumpers; the desired traits of those to go off-planet; the origin, structure, function, and location of the jump rooms; what the CIA's threat assessment about the Martian civilization revealed about the true history of US probes to Mars; the dangers faced by jumpers; the speaker's acclimation jumps, exploratory jumps, and ultimate mission; the characteristics of three Martian humanoids; the identity and testimony of seven jump room whistle blowers; and the involvement of Buzz Aldrin, Barack Obama; Richard Nixon, Howard Hughes, Stansfield Turner and Ross Perot. Attention will be given to President Obama's disinformation ploys concealing his participation in the program; whether the jumps were made to Mars or a “synthetic quantum evironment” (sic) in time-space; and the politics in exopolitics that have prevented the Mars jump room story from being given the standing in Ufology that it deserves and that the speaker's work has earned.

And no, I don’t believe this tale either. There is no credible evidence for this. But like Goode, he attracts a crowd with his preposterous tales of Martian humanoids and predators that are so fierce that his superiors gave him a cyanide capsule to commit suicide if trapped rather than a large caliber firearm to protect himself.
But Harzan said that he wanted to give the MUFON membership the opportunity to listen and decide what they wanted to believe. Fair enough… then why is the same courtesy not extended to Michael Horn, who believes that Billy Meier has been in contact with space aliens? Shouldn’t he be allowed to present his tale to the membership so that they can decide for themselves?

The real point, I suppose, is that if we expect to earn the respect of various other groups (journalists and scientists just to name two), we have to be careful in what we accept as reality. We can’t believe something because we want to believe it, especially when it is so outrageous. The driving force should not be a potential to make money off the claim. While it might be nice to give a platform for some of those with extreme views, we ought to be sure that their views are based in our shared reality and not in science fiction. Unfortunately, that is where we now find ourselves because it really is all about the money.

POSTED BY KRANDLE AT 6:06 PM

[AutumnW]

Harzan doesn't get that the way to make Mufon more interesting is to just make it more interesting, not to go Hollyweird.

[Chester]

WoW

The US military could soon get a sixth service branch dedicated to space (https://www.circa.com/story/2017/07/06/politics/house-votes-to-approve-new-space-corps)

and

ARAA Army Reserve Ambassadors Association of the United States (http://www.arambassador.org/)

have both confirmed Corey Goode to be named Blue Avian Attache

(forgive me... its late, and I just wanted to beat Wilcock to the punch)

[thunder24]

have both confirmed Corey Goode to be named Blue Avian Attache



i laughed at this above...

the other part is interesting in that they announced it?!

[Iancorgi]

I've been following this controversy as an observer for a long time. I enjoyed Bill Ryan interviews with the Dark Journalist as they were really enlightening. First, I want to say that I'm a believer in some form of extraterrestrial interaction (A la Jacques Vallee, Richard Dolan...) with the human race and I am open to the various possibilities of Ssp, psyops , disinfo, propaganda, infiltration. However, as much as I enjoy reading the Topics related to Corey Goode and David Wilcock and the great theories and smart conjectures from all the avalon members I can't help thinking the truth could be way easier than that and as William of Ockham said the simpler explanation is usually the better.

So, my very simple scenario is the following (all potential protagonists should remain nameless and no itech specialist was harmed during the conception of this train of humble thoughts)

Here goes: You are a middle-age man with a decent job and you have to provide for your family. You are making around 4000 $ a month but life is tough because of the taxes, mortgage, medical bills very long working hours and the stress associated with the pressure of modern life. So, you're generally unsatisfied and you are looking for an escape some would say that you are a bit smarter than the rest so you spend some time plotting your escape and then...it strikes you.

You remember that you are an active member of various Ufo research, alt health and conspiracy theories websites. Years after years you've seen people telling the most unlikely stories with zero evidence to back them up get a lot of attention from adoring fans, publishing books, speaking at conferences and some of these people are making good money with minimal effort. You can see that you are smarter than many of these "researchers" and that your time in the military is worth gold to build a credible narrative. If only you could put the moral dilemma of being a con artist aside you could surely make a mark in a field that's always looking for novelty and new faces and after the 2012 Mayan calendar Armageddon fiasco the Ufo field badly need a breath of fresh air.

So you weight the pros and cons, shall I remain a respectable low level itech specialist who's struggling to make ends meet or shall I become a secret space program super hero telling all kinds of whacky stories to pay my bills. Once you've decided to join the dark side you rationalize that after all life is short and if people out there are willing to pay to hear a bunch of Bs its none of your business. Then you start making contact here and there mostly online you are very familiar with the vernacular of the alt community after all these years browsing the web. The beginnings are a bit slow you have to find your feet but little by little you're building steam and raising interests.

On a fine morning you feel like you've won the lottery. You made contact with one of the most famous Ufo conspiracy theorist out there. He's a very famous bestselling author, a very smart individual who recovered from many disastrous predictions that should have destroyed is credibility forever (Y2k, 2012.....) if he can survive this he must be on to something. This superstar is willing to spread your story and be your mouthpiece. He'll use his network for you, take you to conferences, help you build a more credible, foolproof narrative and most importantly he'll teach you how to milk the gullible.

And now your tag team is going full steam ahead selling trinkets, appearing in tv programs, going on cruises and luxury hotels life is sweet. Sometimes you feel this must be a dream, surely people can't be that credulous but all these doubts vanish as soon as you're on stage with your shinny partner.

You've tripled your net income and all you had to do was creating and impersonating a not so believable sci-fi story. No more long hours in the office, no more angry bosses and deadlines. They were right there's one born every minute. It's a dog eat dog world so it's best to be on the predator side. If you can keep doing this for a few years you'll have put enough in the bank to live the rest of your life comfortably.


I know it's been said many times by people here at Avalon the answer is simple just follow the money. How many of us with regular jobs would dream of being completely independent financially traveling the world and being widely celebrated. This must be very tempting and these Bs artists are just falling prey to the greedy side of human nature. I feel this castle of cards will crash down eventually because the whole enterprise is clearly driven by unwholesome motivations the question remains how much damage will be done to the Ufo research field before this madness ends.

[TargeT]

What year (and month) was the first "Corey" video publicly released the one he claims cost him jobs?

statement is here:
https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/6302-The-Plan-(blogs-by-theruiner777)?p=841919342&viewfull=1#post841919342


IIRC it was early 2012?

[Bill Ryan]

What year (and month) was the first "Corey" video publicly released the one he claims cost him jobs?

statement is here:
https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/6302-The-Plan-(blogs-by-theruiner777)?p=841919342&viewfull=1#post841919342

October 2014. At that time he was unemployed and living on disability.

[we-R-one]

Wow, did you guys see Corey was on Ancient Aliens tonight? The Majestic Twelve? I'll try and find a link.....I can't believe they're giving him national air time with his credibility issue.

Season 12 Episode 9 air date 7-7-2017....yes it had to air with all the 7's...number of the god's....lol.

http://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens

I'm recording it, didn't get a chance to watch it yet.

Caught it on youtube, but I bet it won't last long, oops looks like this is a bad link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJdFh2UAwgk

[Callista]

Related post:

Daniel Liszt interviewed by Erica Lukes (formerly MUFON State Director)

Friday night on #UFOClassified: What you need to know about the #SecretSpaceProgram with @darkjournalist 7 PM EST on @KCORRadio

Listen here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97897-Dark-Journalist-A-Six-Part-Series-on-The-New-Age-Deep-State&p=1165191&viewfull=1#post1165191

[Clear Light]

Wow, did you guys see Corey was on Ancient Aliens tonight? The Majestic Twelve? I'll try and find a link.....I can't believe they're giving him national air time with his credibility issue.

Season 12 Episode 9 air date 7-7-2017....yes it had to air with all the 7's...number of the god's....lol.

http://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens

I'm recording it, didn't get a chance to watch it yet.

Caught it on youtube, but I bet it won't last long, oops looks like this is a bad link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJdFh2UAwgk

Oh, it seems as if the so-called "Alternatives" or "Conspiracy Theorists" are making headway in the Mainstream eh ?

But as for the existence of some sort of a "paper trail" I suppose documents such as the purported "Scorched MJ-12 Memo" (as mentioned in the show) do give some semblance of Credibility to this whole field of research !!!

BTW here's a link to the show if interested : WeTransfer (https://we.tl/yfVudyyco2) (941 Mb) ;)

[RunningDeer]

PART TWO - The Vinny Eastwood Show with Randy Maugans: Blue Avian Cult Dividing UFO Community
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Published on Jul 8, 2017

Blue Avian Cult Dividing UFO Community, Randy Maugans
http://www.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com/
http://offplanetradio.com

Randy Maugans discusses themedia war with assholes in the UFO community:

The alternative media is shredding itself over the “Full disclosure now” UFO cult,
They’re attempting a “fakeover”,
George Noory is stumbling off to stage left,
David Wilcock needs a new act,
Roger Ramsaur (reported by the Dark Journalist to be a satanist) is doing comic books and puppet shows,
There’s a changing of the guard in the disclosure community!

It was Randy’s viral post on Facebook that was leaked to the Corey Goode camp and discombobulated the entire universe.

It also made Bill Ryan drag himself out of obscurity (after 4 years) to write an expose’ on the blue Avian alien cult & Corey Goode.

“Corey’s kids” is a marketing gimmick designed to bring young people into the UFO disclosure movement, using pop culture media like comics, CGI & other tools such as “Disclosure backpacks” full of goodness knows what goodies.

Even Jimmy Church is having a round table discussion on this topic,
asking the question: “Is the UFO community infiltrated?!”

[TargeT]

My final input on this ridiculous topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5zS9fdGOV4

[Clear Light]

My final input on this ridiculous topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5zS9fdGOV4

Oh, yes, surely there can be no doubt now (for those who have dug deep enough) that unfortunately there are too many unresolved contradictions, or "holes" in his story / testimony which are probably going to stay that way for the foreseeable future eh ?

Consider this from his first solo public presentation at the 2016 Mt Shasta Secret Space Program Conference (youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXhulEQib5U)) where at approximately the 34 / 35 minute mark he says :


I myself was pretty shocked when I was brought to the Mars facility and I got the dog and pony show from the ICC and they showed sort of like slide shows, like this, but of all these different technologies of craft, components ... that they produce and trade to over 900 civilisations that ... and these civilisations mostly stop by here when they're travelling further distances to pick up supplies or replacements for technology that they're having problems with

And then compare it with what he says (at the 38 minute mark) in the most recent Ancient Aliens episode :


Currently in the Secret Space Programs we've been dealing with approximately 60 different non-terrestrial groups that have come here and some of those groups are interacting with the governments of the world right now

Well that's quite the difference in numeric scale isn't it ? By a factor of 15 no less !!!

It's discrepancies like this one that I find the most damning with regards to some sort of "internal consistency" because I would have to say in such instances it appears he is not speaking from personal experience ... but surely if you were going to "go public" with your potentially "world changing alien revelations" you would make sure you had a water-tight case eh ?

<sigh>

[TargeT]

... but surely if you were going to "go public" with your potentially "world changing alien revelations" you would make sure you had a water-tight case eh ?
<sigh>

Anytime something is given airtime on TV it's very telling, this is a huge red flag in my research efforts... It means we are seeing collusion or a useful idiot being used; I think the latter is the case with Goode.


Wow, did you guys see Corey was on Ancient Aliens tonight? The Majestic Twelve? I'll try and find a link.....I can't believe they're giving him national air time with his credibility issue.

Season 12 Episode 9 air date 7-7-2017....yes it had to air with all the 7's...number of the god's....lol.

http://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens

And here's that red flag.

[Shadowself]

TargeT, that was a great video, and well done. Thank you!

[Shadowself]

I have a question...has anybody here EVER heard Corey talk about his grandfather and Operation/Project White coat before April of 2017?

Has he ever talked about DNA research before it's discovery in 1953? Ever? Anybody? I would really like to know.

[Bluegreen]

Many are familiar with JRR Tolkien's The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, the writings of HG Wells such as The Time Machine and The Open Conspiracy, and Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek. These individuals' supposed memberships in 'secret societies' (Wells: The Fabian Society, Tolkien: The Inklings and The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, Roddenberry: The Council of Nine) are pointed to by conspiracy theorists as evidence of truth(s) being hidden within said fictional works due to the authors being privy to 'inside information'.

Recall: When Goode's initial 'conversations' with Christine (which I am very familiar with) were first made public by Avalon his story was backed by Bill Ryan's description of Goode as "a long-standing forum member of the highest integrity". For whatever reason, this story did in fact get off the ground.

Characterizations of Corey Goode range from a fiction writer spinning yarns to a military insider meeting with extraterrestrials on other planets, and many points in between. These points in between might be called 'disinformation'; as we know, disinformation is by definition half truth and half lies.

I'm curious: What parts of this story do forum members (and leaders) buy, if any? What is "The Half Truth about Corey Goode"?

[UfonautRadio]

I buy none of it. I honestly feel as though none of CG's story is true.

[norman]

I buy none of it. I honestly feel as though none of CG's story is true.

He or someone might have gathered a few true bit's from the internet, here and there, but the pong rising from it ain't healthy for any of us IMO. It's the social dynamic engineering side of it that's the creepiest. I don't care what his story is. It actually seems secondary to the plot, now.

It's scooping up a lot of all too conveniently available disillusioned progressive wannabes and a whole other bunch running from imminent collapse of organised old European religion. Didn't I hear this was the last Pope?

Seriously, this is getting way too much like someone whipped out the script and declared it was time to make the move. Some people are hoping the Vatican is about to clean it's act up. I think that's way too optimistic. More like they are about to drop like the twin towers and flood the truther scene with refugees. They're good at that stunt. Look at Europe.

[Foxie Loxie]

Again! "Follow the Money"!!! :cash::cash::rolleyes:

[norman]

Again! "Follow the Money"!!! :cash::cash::rolleyes:

IF this is the magicians making their final move, I doubt it's even about the money an longer, except to put in the feed trough for the pigs muddying the grass patch for us all.

[Shannon]

I buy none of it. I honestly feel as though none of CG's story is true.


Mod hat off...

I agree, and at this point I honestly can't even get behind the possibility that he was ever an mkultra/government tested intuitive, brainwashed to think his story is true. I think he's a dangerous con man and opportunist with a total disregard for the lives and the mental health of his fellow man.

He is a liar. And liars hold the whole world and everyone in it in contempt.

I think there are many people who have huge hearts and can't even fathom being lied to about information (lies) Corey was slinging. They don't want to call anyone a liar. Especially a possible victim.

The story isn't even amazing or original when it comes down to it... but he took total advantage of the kind, good and trusting people who want answers. That's how I thought he could get his out. Claim mind control and be a hero for a day with a long apology. Maybe he still could. Lol

[AutumnW]

I buy none of it. I honestly feel as though none of CG's story is true.

Same. I want to add too that "useful idiot," in covert agency parlance, refers to those who pollute the water of genuine research, with really goofy material...but they are sincerely fantasy prone. Not their fault and it's just sad. But Goode has stolen material from another author and that makes him entirely culpable and raises suspicions of all sorts.

[Bill Ryan]

Recall: When Goode's initial 'conversations' with Christine (which I am very familiar with) were first made public by Avalon his story was backed by Bill Ryan's description of Goode as "a long-standing forum member of the highest integrity". For whatever reason, this story did in fact get off the ground.



Yes, and at that point he pretty much was "a long-standing forum member of the highest integrity". (And it all 'got off the ground' primarily because I did really quite a good job of that video, despite the poor raw material.)

What's barely been discussed (and almost forgotten about, even by me), is Christine's second interview with him, that was dreadful.

The material was dreadful. To borrow Richard Dolan's words (about Bill Tompkins' book), I would not want to be professionally associated with it. It was not possible to make anything looking even a little like a silk purse out of that sow's ear.

It's instructive to look closely at what happened then. Before Corey's first interview, he was genuinely quite modest and self-assuming. But after that was published, something changed.

It really did. Those Avalon members reading this who were around at the time may remember that well.

I declined to publish the second interview, and one other reason (which I cited) was that the audio quality was also dreadful. And it truly was — like the continuous crackle and hiss and pop from an old 1930s radio set.

I urged Corey to re-record it, which would have taken maybe a quick hour and a half. And I also counseled him that he should ideally use the opportunity of a re-record to build on the first interview, maybe answering questions that he'd received, or was aware of, during the few weeks in between. I was trying to help the guy.

But he became demanding and insistent and critical of me, and spent a full week, text-arguing with me about why I should publish it.... rather than spending a simple hour and a half re-recording it. Go figure. Suddenly, he had got massively headstrong and pushy, and was insisting he was right about everything he said.

(I'm told this happens in Hollywood, too, when a newborn young star, with fame and bright lights gone to their head, starts to try to push their Producer or Director around, thinking they know what's best. They rarely know anything at all, of course.)

That was also reflected in Corey's forum posts of the time, and all that was bound to end in tears — and it did, metaphorically speaking. After I'd NOT published that second interview (he eventually turned to Shane Bales/ 'The Ruiner', who has better audio cleanup software than I have, I think) — Corey left the forum within a month.

[Bluegreen]

And you were buying this raw material :confused:
Actually so was I
To this day I believe most of what he was saying in this particular interview
I may be wrong
But there you go

[Bill Ryan]

And you were buying this raw material :confused:


Well, that's a value-laden way of putting it! :)

At that point there was no reason to flat-out dismiss his story (though some of it was extreme by any definition), or question his motives. Corey at that point had no hunger for fame that was evident, he wasn't trying to earn any money from it, there was nothing to suggest plagiarism, and he wasn't week-by-week or month-by-month embellishing his story.

All that came later.

[Chester]

From all I had observed through that time (the fall of 2014 and early 2015 - all that Bill said in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1165813&viewfull=1#post1165813) fits exactly what I observed. What I find baffling by many of the folks that form a group of "ex-Avalonians" is that they seem to want to blame Bill for Corey's rise when in reality, Bill was the first one to sense Corey was a fraud (or something else... but certainly not a real whistle blower).

Yet even as late as January of 2015, when I told Christine in a Skype conversation that I was having my doubts about Corey, I asked her (because I saw her as a.) an authority and b.) a community insider), "Christine... I am having my doubts about Corey... please, tell me - do you think he's for real?" And her firm response was, she very much believed in him and his story. The weaker and less experienced being that I was at that time decided I should rely more on her opinion than my own intuition. Not her fault at all... mine. And later, she did tell me she thought his ego was getting to him - sometime in April of 2015 is my best guess... right around the time I helped her get the money she loaned Corey (from the PA donations account) paid back. By then everyone who had known Corey through those last several months (other than some holdouts at TOT and those who saw they could cash in by using Corey - like Wilcock) all had lost all trust in Goode. But he didn't care anyways as he still doesn't care.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Folks — there's been an interesting development, and the game just got REALLY dirty.

A video has been uploaded anonymously showing the location of my home, in a remote, rural location in Ecuador.

It's faked, but it's professionally done.

There are no 'authorities' involved, but I'm not going to publicly reveal how I know this; and some of the details are correct but many are not, and I'm not going to reveal which is which, either. :)

The sole intention was for it to serve as a threat. Like: "Dude, we know where you live, so shut the f*** up."

The video, and the intention behind it, probably combine to constitute a criminal act.

All they wanted was for me to see it, and to be very afraid. (But, they don't know me very well! And they also have no idea how very well I can defend myself if the privacy of my home is unlawfully and physically breached.)

If it also smears me, then they have an optional bonus.

Many have already suggested to me that Roger Ramsauer is behind this, of course. Corey Goode and his camp are now busy promoting this everywhere. That says something about anyone who spreads this around. So, as I said, the game just got REALLY, REALLY dirty.

It's late at night here (3 am), so I'll not say more at the moment. I'll likely make a major public statement tomorrow or at the weekend.

I'm not very happy for people to know where I live, but I'm VERY happy for the world to know about the lowlife, degrading, threatening, professional-quality, well-funded, invasion-of-privacy, attempted smear.

[Bill Ryan]

This conversation may also be worth reading carefully — with someone who is in what some have called the "Goode-Ramsauer camp". It's edited in one or two places to protect the woman's anonymity.

~~~

Anon: I was told that some of this information was well-known to someone close to you, and Corey had already himself long known some of this information.

I was also told a while ago that "Gonzales" confirmed you're not any kind of "agent" to be worried about, and that it sort of confused Corey to find out you're a regular guy with honest intentions. But that DJ himself was someone to be concerned about because of his connections. I forget the exact wording though, if “agent” was used.

Corey is not aware that I'm in touch with you. But I hope that we can be in communication in some form. It's really looking like a mess.

Bill: Thanks. This is now getting really dirty. The video is faked, of course, but was done professionally by someone with assets and ability behind them.

The person who knows most of that slice of the information and imagery which is correct (including possessing three images included on the video that I've NEVER posted publicly, but that she had access to, and I can't think of who else has) is Christine Anderson, my ex-wife, who originally interviewed Corey in Sept-Oct 2014.

She also of course knows where the house is (and yes, that's my house). There's a very compelling case that she has provided the images and some information, or what she thinks is some information, and it's hard to imagine how she has done this without full knowledge of exactly what was happening or how this would be used.

Her current partner, an Avalon member, interestingly requested a sabbatical just two days ago. That's a little like leaving the building just before a planted bomb goes off. (Did you ever watch Designated Survivor? :) ) He has now been unsubscribed.

My advice to you, which is genuine: it may be smart to gently step away from this, while making peace with all parties. This is now ugly, illegal, and dirty. Anyone who's got naively caught up in all this might be well-advised to protect themselves.

And I do believe you've been naive. I don't know Ramsauer personally, but I do know Corey, and he's unscrupulous. If that's not believable to you, I respect that, but I do promise you you'll find out sooner or later for yourself and to your own satisfaction.

[The Moss Trooper]

Oh Dear.

This looks to be a serious escalation, you must've hit a nerve Bill.

They be running scared now.

[Flash]

This is clearly gang stalking. Like teenagers sometimes do on facebook. Giving your adress worldwide is quite dangerous. And they are stupid enough to have thousand of witnesses of what they are doing.

While you and others use logic and common sense to adress the fraud they are in, they use smearing and intent to arise intentionally charged emotions by those videos. Low life psychopaths who are being cornered will do anything to keep their lies going

We have here, in the open, the exact ways the cabal is trying to control us, through implanted fear, and how far they usually go, next steps being much worst.

They are psychopaths, Corey and his gang.

I call all honest researchers to rise up and talk openly using logic and good intentions to name the fraud they are. They can do nothing if all raise together to name what is going on.

[Flash]

You hit the nail Target, excellent.

And of course, the girl in the video knows nothing of IT otherwise she would not want to look that stupid. even an IT know nothing like me who worked in offices knows about IT certifications, could name a few and knows it is the IT must for good jobs. . Go to work in regular jobs orgo to school girl!!


My final input on this ridiculous topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5zS9fdGOV4

[Clear Light]

A video has been uploaded anonymously showing the location of my home, in a remote, rural location in Ecuador

Oh, it's not that difficult to find (especially if one considers who might want to promulgate it) but as it has received less than 2,000 views in the twelve hours or so since it was uploaded it's hardly "gone viral" so-to-say, nevertheless I imagine you must be feeling somewhat "unnerved" by the contents Bill ?

But what a load of bullsh#t at the beginning eh ? :bs:


35673


We are a group of retired Police, Federal Agents, and Military Personnel who investigate various crimes to assist both local and federal law enforcement. One of our members was looking into allegations that a recent Anonymous video had made against Dr. Steven Greer.

While reviewing this video their attention was drawn to a highly coordinated disinformation campaign against individuals and organizations in the field of Ufology. Our investigators decided to determine if the individuals involved in this campaign were actual agents or assets often referred to as "Useful Idiots" in the Political arena.

It's nothing less than "Scraping the bottom of the barrell" eh ?

[Shadowself]

Corey Goode and Co. have reached a new low.


We can add stalking to the long list of Corey Goode BS now. Last I heard stalking is an illegal offence. I'm sure his "lawyers" will want a copy of this evidence that now is an illegal offence.

These are not the actions of someone who is telling the truth...these are the actions of a sick and desperate man who cannot defend his platform as anything other than a lie from the beginning.

Isn't it funny how Michael Waskosky left the building before the heat got turned up?

And last....does Gaia TV support these actions? A very important question...Does David? How would David Wilcock react if his house was being stalked by these kind of people?

[thunder24]

Corey Goode and Co. have reached a new low.


We can add stalking to the long list of Corey Goode BS now. Last I heard stalking is an illegal offence. I'm sure his "lawyers" will want a copy of this evidence that now is an illegal offence.

These are not the actions of someone who is telling the truth...these are the actions of a sick and desperate man who cannot defend his platform as anything other than a lie from the beginning.

Isn't it funny how Michael Waskosky left the building before the heat got turned up?

And last....does Gaia TV support these actions? A very important question...Does David? How would David Wilcock react if his house was being stalked by these kind of people?

waskosky posted the video here last night and asked bill to say something, it was immediately removed along with a comment from a mod

[happyuk]

It's actually quite sad when you think of it. That's all they can do - snipe ineffectually from a safe distance. Pathetic!

[Shadowself]

Thanks thunder24...I did not know that.

These people are surly desperate in their behavior.

I want to add That Laura Eisenhower can be added to that list of people pushing this offense as she is promoting this video all over the place. Miss love and light herself is now aligned with the dark side of things and will soon see the error of her ways if not already. People are staring to unsubscribe to her on FB and saying they are ashamed of her. Of course she is quickly removing their comments.

[Hervé]

Best scatter-gun shot-foot - both barrels - I've ever seen: they themselves provide the evidence of their stalking actions while they spit "Love & Light" utterances... cognitive dissonance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Festinger#When_Prophecy_Fails) much?

[Clear Light]

waskosky posted the video here last night and asked bill to say something, it was immediately removed along with a comment from a mod

Ah, I wasn't aware of that and given the "time difference" I was most likely "fast asleep" in bed at the time :sleep:

[Foxie Loxie]

An Old Lady's opinion!

Christine is still in love with Bill & will go to any lengths to hurt him. I surmised that from the interview she had quite awhile back with The Ruiner when she gave her entire life's story. :ohwell: At the end of the interview she said something to the effect as..."What about love, Bill?"

Having been married to a conman, I rather understand the dynamics of the situation as people WILL take sides & "truth" does not matter. Just speaking from a lifetime of experience. So sorry you are having to live through this Bill; you KNOW there are many of us silently upholding you in our thoughts & prayers. :flower:

[Whiskey_Mystic]

[/B] [/I]All they wanted was for me to see it, and to be very afraid.

That's actually kind of funny. You can't intimidate infinite consciousness. They don't even grasp what chessboard they are actually playing on.

[Shadowself]

In about ten minutes Daniel Liszt will be speaking on the Secret Space Program Controversy with Robin Falkov at 11AM Eastern:

Here: http://freedomslips.com/studioa.htm

[transiten]

Since David Wilcock is heavily involved with Corey Goode would you who think David is not to trust recommend pple not to read his books? As I said before I have read all three of them and he doesn't mention Goode yet. So what about the rest of the content?

Gosh what a mess;I have no energy left to read the whole thread through still fighting Lyme.

[GroovieBean]

was a great listen! thanks

[Bill Ryan]

In about ten minutes Daniel Liszt will be speaking on the Secret Space Program Controversy with Robin Falkov at 11AM Eastern:

Here: http://freedomslips.com/studioa.htm

Here it is (recommended, excellent):


http://avalonlibrary.net/Danel_Liszt_with_Robin_Falkov_14_July_2017.mp3

[RunningDeer]

Corey Goode and Co. have reached a new low.


We can add stalking to the long list of Corey Goode BS now. Last I heard stalking is an illegal offence. I'm sure his "lawyers" will want a copy of this evidence that now is an illegal offence.

These are not the actions of someone who is telling the truth...these are the actions of a sick and desperate man who cannot defend his platform as anything other than a lie from the beginning.

Isn't it funny how Michael Waskosky left the building before the heat got turned up?

And last....does Gaia TV support these actions? A very important question...Does David? How would David Wilcock react if his house was being stalked by these kind of people?

David Wilcock receives DEATH THREAT ~ Important Information
fCiC7A47GCw

[Shadowself]

was a great listen! thanks

Hay! It's GroovieBean! Yvonne Palermo! :heart: Almost missed you in all the excitement!



She's the smart one...got away from that camp before the fire got too big! Glad to see you here Yvonne! Love your videos girl...you rock some rocks and thing!

For those of you who don't know...she's also a kick butt artist! Welcome!

www.grooviebean.com

[GroovieBean]

Gratitude and thanks for your support on my Rebuttal too!

[TargeT]

A video has been uploaded anonymously showing the location of my home, in a remote, rural location in Ecuador.


I watched it... the video footage didn't make sense in reference to the writings... How does showing video of Ecuador streets relate? Why all the Google earth / map & way too much video of the house?

The way the video was composed tells a lot more than the words on the screen, I think it's a pretty obvious hit piece based on the video.. if they would have just stuck with their allegations of the (mostly very minor) crimes I could see it as something other than gang-stalking or a hit-piece; but the extended video of a house, and zooming in on a lit window.. (not sure why the original video was shot, but that just seems a bit weird).






Review: Daniel got doxed by Michael Waskosky and Teresa Yanaros,

Hmmmm......

So we have legal threats

Doxing (not a threat, happened)

Rabble rousing (inciting harassment via followers)

Defamation and slander? (Cabal agent, Lucifarian, Nazi? what other labels have been tossed around?)

Anything else to add to their "push back" campaign?

So lets add
Gang-stalking
Intimidation
& even MORE DOXing!

[Sequoia]

Corey Goode and Co. have reached a new low.


We can add stalking to the long list of Corey Goode BS now. Last I heard stalking is an illegal offence. I'm sure his "lawyers" will want a copy of this evidence that now is an illegal offence.

These are not the actions of someone who is telling the truth...these are the actions of a sick and desperate man who cannot defend his platform as anything other than a lie from the beginning.

Isn't it funny how Michael Waskosky left the building before the heat got turned up?

And last....does Gaia TV support these actions? A very important question...Does David? How would David Wilcock react if his house was being stalked by these kind of people?

David Wilcock receives DEATH THREAT ~ Important Information
fCiC7A47GCw


I couldn't be happier to see the now well documented fact that Corey Goode is just a patsy and a useful idiot who took the bait of fame and $$$$, it's only a matter of time before he cracks under the bs being exposed.
I appreciate you bringing the attention also to David Wilcock though :happythumbsup:, the most useful idiot of the them all in the "new age crapola" imo.

In this clip below from the late 1990's (not sure exactly what year but he is predicting events in 1999!), where DW is talking with Art Bell on Coast-to-Coast, saying that he's a time traveler from the future and worked at area 51 brahahahaha:ROFL: It's priceless.
Go ahead debunk the person interviewed not being DW..please be my guest if you can.

HT6oKLwXJ50

[Sequoia]

Regardless of what y'all think of Dr Greer...here's more evidence of extremely dirrrty and despicable tactics of Gaia tv in their pursuit of monopoly in the field of ufology, their goal has been to shut down and shoot down anyone and everyone who disagrees with blue avian gibberish :

Dear Friends and Supporters of Disclosure,

Many of you have asked about the recent disappearance from our YouTube Channel (www.YouTube.com/SDisclosure) of our historic, crowdfunded movie "Sirius".

Regrettably, Gaia TV working via our distributor for "Sirius" TriCoast Worldwide , unilaterally, and without our knowledge or consent and with no warning or discussion, contacted YouTube and ordered the takedown.

Quoting from the President of TriCoast Strath Hamilton to our PR firm: "...our client Gaiam has requested the Takedown notice".

We appreciate all of your support to get the Truth out and End Illegal Secrecy. Some 2,000,000 people had viewed Sirius on our channel and we are working to restore the film to the site. Unfortunately, we are a mostly volunteer project with no office, staff or in-house lawyers and lack the resources to fully resolve the issue. We regret any inconvenience this has caused you but the action was taken without our knowledge or consent.

Thank you for your patience while we try to resolve this issue.

Thank you for your continue support for Disclosure!
Best always,
Steven M. Greer MD
June 7, 2017

[Pigtail Gurl]

These people seem to be acting just like the Scientologists. Another great cult based on ETs. So, I guess the Blue Chicken People are happy for their 'messenger' to bully and attack people and demand all his followers do the same. Very loving and peaceful. All this could have been avoided if these blue parrots with goat legs had just appeared to say hi and introduce themselves. But of course, demanding any sort of proof is only the ego. HAHAHA :ROFL: Hope you are well Bill. I feel so sad this is happening to good people.

[GloriaP]

Thanks Bill, for always being there for us. You're an excellent moderator. In these days of increasing deception it can be hard to know what/whom to trust, but I have to say, after reading this thread, it confirms for me that my intuition is spot on as usual. I've never been onboard with Goode and didn't even spend much time listening to him. The message I got was 'nope, don't go there'. Even Wilcock and Simon Parkes, although I've listened to much of their stuff, I'm not onboard fully with them. Something feels a little off. I'm not accusing them of deception, but perhaps there's a bit of self-deception?

[Spiral]

Regardless of what y'all think of Dr Greer...here's more evidence of extremely dirrrty and despicable tactics of Gaia tv in their pursuit of monopoly in the field of ufology, their goal has been to shut down and shoot down anyone and everyone who disagrees with blue avian gibberish :

Dear Friends and Supporters of Disclosure,

Many of you have asked about the recent disappearance from our YouTube Channel (www.YouTube.com/SDisclosure) of our historic, crowdfunded movie "Sirius".

Regrettably, Gaia TV working via our distributor for "Sirius" TriCoast Worldwide , unilaterally, and without our knowledge or consent and with no warning or discussion, contacted YouTube and ordered the takedown.

Quoting from the President of TriCoast Strath Hamilton to our PR firm: "...our client Gaiam has requested the Takedown notice".

We appreciate all of your support to get the Truth out and End Illegal Secrecy. Some 2,000,000 people had viewed Sirius on our channel and we are working to restore the film to the site. Unfortunately, we are a mostly volunteer project with no office, staff or in-house lawyers and lack the resources to fully resolve the issue. We regret any inconvenience this has caused you but the action was taken without our knowledge or consent.

Thank you for your patience while we try to resolve this issue.

Thank you for your continue support for Disclosure!
Best always,
Steven M. Greer MD
June 7, 2017

It's back up on youtube, anyone see it missing or know how long it was down for ?

Hard to imagine how they could have had Greers own film taken off his own channel :suspicious:

[Bill Ryan]

Hope you are well Bill. I feel so sad this is happening to good people.

Thank you! :bearhug: Yes, I'm in good shape here. Extraordinary theater all around.

I talked with Jim Nichols (http://thewebmatrix.net/jimnicholsufo/goode.html) last night (first time, and it was a pleasure: a GOOD man) — 10 days ago he'd published this wonderful piece (http://thewebmatrix.net/jimnicholsufo/goode.html) — and he said that in all his years in ufology he's never seen anything like this. (Neither have I)

[Clear Light]

It's back up on youtube, anyone see it missing or know how long it was down for ?

Hard to imagine how they could have had Greers own film taken off his own channel :suspicious:

Oh, there's a thread about it here Gaia vs Sirius Disclosure? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98199-Gaia-vs-Sirius-Disclosure&p=1159317) from just over a month ago ...





Mod note from Bill: definitely most interesting stuff, but it all belongs in that different discussion — THX.
:thumbsup:

:focus:

[Bill Ryan]

Mod note: I've moved all the posts discussing whether or not David Wilcock impersonated a time traveler in a Coast to Coast call to Art Bell in the late 1990s, to this thread: (hard to make a call, but this might be the best home for it)


David Wilcock's False Predictions (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45478-David-Wilcock-s-False-Predictions)

:focus:

[Shadowself]

Hope you are well Bill. I feel so sad this is happening to good people.

Thank you! :bearhug: Yes, I'm in good shape here. Extraordinary theater all around.

I talked with Jim Nichols (http://thewebmatrix.net/jimnicholsufo/goode.html) last night (first time, and it was a pleasure: a GOOD man) — 10 days ago he'd published this wonderful piece (http://thewebmatrix.net/jimnicholsufo/goode.html) — and he said that in all his years in ufology he's never seen anything like this. (Neither have I)



There really is something dark and sinister with these people. Some of these navel- gazing followers of theirs are so entrained they are gleeful at this dark turn of events...ie;Stalking. This is perfectly okay with them. That in itself tells you something eh?

In all my years in this venue that we are seeking understanding I will never understand this one! When did it become okay to stalk another person is such a creepy way? And this Michael Waskosky dude living in his parents basement posted this here? As if it were okay? Did the law of one say this kind of behavior is okay and he should present a stalking video?

What kind of sickness is this going around? Whatever you choose to believe this is sick behavior! Passing this off as disclosure is the sickest thing I've run into yet...and I've seen some pretty sick stuff out there for sure.

Miss love and light Laura Eisenhower has really turned to the south end of the spectrum. some of her followers on FB have publicaly unfriended her as I saw in the comments where she posted up this video of support for Corey. Those that commented on this and unfriended her had their comments removed by LE....I see some dissenting comments today I suspect will be removed when she wakes up.

http://i66.tinypic.com/1zcg5ud.jpg


The strangest thing is that Laura was just used by Richard Ramsaur and Corey Goode to lower herself into the pit of insanity for what again? To support Corey Good and his dear wife for the sake of what again? Disclosure? Then a few hours later and I kid you not...like nothing is wrong and life is good she writes:

"Moving at the speed of fun... anything less than fun, bye bye!"

So this has been fun for her...participating in illegal acts and stalking? What is wrong with this picture? What is wrong with these people?

http://i67.tinypic.com/rqzx40.jpg

[Hervé]

In this current climate, I have a hard time predicting whether the BA snowflakes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Snowflake) are gonna freeze harder or completely meltdown... hmmm... maybe both: freeze in their beliefs a lot harder while melting down... as cognitive dissonance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance) predicts.

[Shadowself]

Btw...now I can post the video....the video just got removed:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfPjyMR_tpE&feature=youtu.be

[RunningDeer]

Judging by the summary from the dox video of Bill and Daniel, they’ve modified and reuploaded. The home and location is still in it. The summary says, “The email seemed to originate in Mexico.”

You may already know this, but just in case you can report the video by filling out the specifics from the dropped down menu.

[Bill Ryan]

From Mark McCandlish (http://markmccandlish.com):

Mark is a Disclosure Project witness, and a presenter at the 2014 Secret Space Program conference:

http://avalonlibrary.net/forum/Mark_McCandlish.jpg

and

http://avalonlibrary.net/forum/Mark_McCandlish_2.jpg

[UfonautRadio]

BR is a Ufology hero here. We must continue to support him so he is not alone. Protect the field!

[Foxie Loxie]

Exactly!!!! The majority of us were never taught to think for ourselves.....just to follow along! :frusty:

[norman]

From Mark McCandlish (http://markmccandlish.com):

Mark is a Disclosure Project witness, and a presenter at the 2014 Secret Space Program conference:




Quote: Mark McCandlish

Corey Goode's material really strikes me as nothing more than candy for an audience without critical thinking skills. That's my humble opinion.But wait, Laura Eisenhower has the perfect antidote for that. . .


Quote: Laura Eisenhower

Moving at the speed of fun... anything less than fun, bye bye!
That should keep the followers following.

[UfonautRadio]

Laura is being accepted in to the Corey camp which means $$$ for her. It's obvious why CG makes her so happy...

Gloves are of after the Bill house video. Love and light bull****.

[thunder24]

Carol Rosin on Von Braun (http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/10/27/is-a-false-flag-alien-invasion-in-the-works-wernher-von-bruans-colleague-seems-to-think-so/)

...The enemy at first he said, the enemy against whom we’re going to build a space based weapons system . . . First the Russians are going to be considered the enemy . . . then terrorists would be identified and that was soon to follow . . . then we were going to identify third world crazies, we now call them nations of concern. . . . The next enemy was asteroids . . . [and] against asteroids we’re going to build space based weapons.

And the funniest one of all, was against what he called aliens, extraterrestrials, that would be the final card. And over, and over, and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving his speeches for him, he would bring up that last card.

‘And remember Carol, the last card is the alien card. We’re going to have to build space based weapons against aliens,’ and all of it, he said, is a lie.

....this is supposedly part of the interview Carol Rosin did for Steven Greer. she was talking about Wernher Von Braun in the above snippet... his words I bolded..

I wonder if we are seeing part of this unfold right now with the "blue Avian party"- (said in forest gump voice)

[SunSea]

Laura is being accepted in to the Corey camp which means $$$ for her. It's obvious why CG makes her so happy...

Gloves are of after the Bill house video. Love and light bull****.

Laura posted that video on Goodes FB page then proceeded to get into a very foul argument with another poster. It was UGLY and visious . Yeah, so much for the love, light and advanced knowledge schtick, It doesn't look like that's working to well for her. She has said, working on ones shadow self is important... What does that mean to her, I wonder. To proclaim unity, and a advanced awareness then rip someone to pieces when they give you a hard time. Seems like a split ln the psyche. Black and white matrix pattern.

Somewhere along the way LE lost her BS detector. She's fallen in with a bad crowd and seems oblivious to the fact. Her gleeful support of that video was FOUL. Illusion, delusion has taken over. I Hadn't considered the money angle, hmm... Fits I guess, sorry to say.

[Harley]

Laura [Eisenhower] is being accepted in to the Corey camp which means $$$ for her. It's obvious why CG makes her so happy...


Somewhere along the way LE lost her BS detector.

She was a heck of a catch for the Corey camp.

It can be a wonderful thing to ride in on a famous name.

The whole lot have never had a BS Detector.

[norman]

They are supposed have a great BS detector in the form Michael Salla PhD. . . .

Go figure .

More like weaponised academic credentials, if you ask me.

Which is why I think there is a bit more going on here than just a bunch of lying chancers.

[muxfolder]

Should I laugh or should I cry? I know I've always been at home here on Avalon and looks like all of those I've always expected to be frauds are exactly that. One by one they seem to be falling. And there are lot of other members here who seem to think just exactly like I do.:)

So haters gonna hate, huh? That's what one would say if he/she ran out of reasonable arguments. It's stupid, childish and rather pointless really but this all seems to be directed to younger audience. It's like being in high school again. If we, who don't agree, are the haters and all those love loving assholes, who are not what they seem, are ready to film someone's private residence and posting it on youtube. Well, what are they going to do next?

[Mike]

Laura Eisenhower has that same inscrutable look on her face every time I see her. It's that slightly upturned mouth that can't quite decide if it wants to be a smile or not, along with a pair of sad, hypnotic looking eyes that appear to have not blinked since 1982. Basically, she looks like a new age manican. And now she's acting like one.

She's stupid, but not dumb. She knows exactly what this video is and what it's attempting to do..and yet ,she posted it anyway. I don't know if she's bought in to Corey's story, but it would appear she's been bought out. Add her to the list.

[UfonautRadio]

Mike,

She didn't get bought out, she was always for sale...

[Mike]

Mike,

She didn't get bought out, she was always for sale...


Honestly dude I'm not terribly familiar with her background...and it's not for a lack of trying. I just could never listen to her for longer than 5 minutes. Her information is vague and nebulous and way too far into lala land to have any sort of utility. Plus, it defies any attempt at confirmation because it offers up nothing concrete or verifiable. It requires something akin to religious faith...

..this all sounds eerily similar to Corey's bio, which makes them 2 pee's in a very weird f#cking pod, doesn't it?:)

She clearly didn't need to be holding up a Blue Avian #1 foam finger for Corey to find her. Just a matter of time before these 2 combined their disingenuous new agey weirdness to form an even more disingenuous, weirder, new agey power duo. It's kinda like Voltron. Remember that cartoon? 80's? I loved it..I had all 5 lions and I was the envy of my friend group (sh!t I *still* have it). Goode and Dr Gonzo and Shillcock and Eisenhower and Ramsaur are like the 5 lions....only bad...so in this case they'd be Bizarro Voltron. Wait, no...Bizarro was Superman's evil twin. Nevermind...it's been a long day...

Anyway, she always appeared to be a massive flake to me. I'm short on the details, but I'll take your word for it

[Harley]

Which is why I think there is a bit more going on here than just a bunch of lying chancers.

Yes. I believe I see what you mean. :)

[skyefire777]

The mouth might speak but the body has to sing....

Just watched the Ancient Aliens vid observing several players.... went back and did a brief body language look. I'm no expert, but even I could see the obvious "deception". Some times a belief system will be so activated that even if the message is deceptive, but it IS the individual's belief system, they might come across as not being deceptive.

Linda M H: First off, notice that she is positioned to allow the interviewer into her space. At one point she lowers her left arm to allow the interviewer to get in closer. Her whole body "sings" with that she is saying. She has moments of being in portrayal, but she is a speaker and a presenter, so I would expect that. However, she doesn't stay in portrayal even though she knows that documents inside out. You will notice that she accesses memory (shifting her eyes up and over) even though she knows the material, she is still emotionally attached to it and is being reflective in what she is saying. She is accessing parts of her brain for memory. This is the normal for the non deceptive in regard to what she is speaking about.

Dr R Wood: He is nervous. Even though he has done this before, he is very still in the beginning. And he is in portrayal. There is slight movement of his shoulders and he is not happy that all this money has disappeared, he's not sure what is happening there. He drops his chin and looks straight right. Nervous about the government, By the second segment, he shifts his weight in the chair, getting comfortable and his arms come up and his body begins to sing with what he is saying. He has slight eye movements accessing memory. He really believes that no matter what the personal cost, he wants the truth. No deception in that.

Corey G: His body and his head are in 2 different positions towards the interviewer. Indicates doesn't want to be direct and face on with the interviewer. He NEVER accesses memory when speaking of his grandfather. Watch his eyes, they never move from center. His upper body is still. He is working from what i would call his hard drive... ram... a rehearsed narrative with no emotional connection. He moves further into portrayal, and then the pumping of his arm and fist in the "believe me" movements. When he says he doesn't care if anyone believes him. But he still doesnt access memory. Think about it logically.... grandfather, secret space.... aliens and mars and it all does not provoke an access of memory. It could be if he was in this mind control program that it is what we are seeing, however, his body doesn't sing with him, its actually "fighting" him. And actually I was a little freaked out by how "chilling" his eyes were.

Wilcock: This guy is so into his belief system that he has the narrative down and his body does sing with it. He doesn't access memory, he shifts his face sideways from the interviewer, and goes into portrayal. The "boyish" charm is a "pull you into the narrative " moment with a constant smile. But he is not accessing emotional memory and he swings his body away from the interviewer... He believes what he is saying. I'm seeing more persuading that belief.

Hope this insightful.

[Flash]

very good analysis of body language (and I am usually quite critical of some of the most recognised body analyst in the alternative world).


The mouth might speak but the body has to sing....

Just watched the Ancient Aliens vid observing several players.... went back and did a brief body language look. I'm no expert, but even I could see the obvious "deception". Some times a belief system will be so activated that even if the message is deceptive, but it IS the individual's belief system, they might come across as not being deceptive.

Linda M H: First off, notice that she is positioned to allow the interviewer into her space. At one point she lowers her left arm to allow the interviewer to get in closer. Her whole body "sings" with that she is saying. She has moments of being in portrayal, but she is a speaker and a presenter, so I would expect that. However, she doesn't stay in portrayal even though she knows that documents inside out. You will notice that she accesses memory (shifting her eyes up and over) even though she knows the material, she is still emotionally attached to it and is being reflective in what she is saying. She is accessing parts of her brain for memory. This is the normal for the non deceptive in regard to what she is speaking about.

Dr R Wood: He is nervous. Even though he has done this before, he is very still in the beginning. And he is in portrayal. There is slight movement of his shoulders and he is not happy that all this money has disappeared, he's not sure what is happening there. He drops his chin and looks straight right. Nervous about the government, By the second segment, he shifts his weight in the chair, getting comfortable and his arms come up and his body begins to sing with what he is saying. He has slight eye movements accessing memory. He really believes that no matter what the personal cost, he wants the truth. No deception in that.

Corey G: His body and his head are in 2 different positions towards the interviewer. Indicates doesn't want to be direct and face on with the interviewer. He NEVER accesses memory when speaking of his grandfather. Watch his eyes, they never move from center. His upper body is still. He is working from what i would call his hard drive... ram... a rehearsed narrative with no emotional connection. He moves further into portrayal, and then the pumping of his arm and fist in the "believe me" movements. When he says he doesn't care if anyone believes him. But he still doesnt access memory. Think about it logically.... grandfather, secret space.... aliens and mars and it all does not provoke an access of memory. It could be if he was in this mind control program that it is what we are seeing, however, his body doesn't sing with him, its actually "fighting" him. And actually I was a little freaked out by how "chilling" his eyes were.

Wilcock: This guy is so into his belief system that he has the narrative down and his body does sing with it. He doesn't access memory, he shifts his face sideways from the interviewer, and goes into portrayal. The "boyish" charm is a "pull you into the narrative " moment with a constant smile. But he is not accessing emotional memory and he swings his body away from the interviewer... He believes what he is saying. I'm seeing more persuading that belief.

Hope this insightful.

[Omni]

Corey Goode seems like pure COINTELPRO. This looks like a military/CIA attempt to divide alt media. Somehow Corey is gaining mind control asset allies and those who are in truth are his axis. I am confident that the truth will prevail. However I do feel that this operation is far from over.

[Jake]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72453-Black-Triangles-Cornerstone-of-USA-Space-Fleet-UFOTV---Presents-THE-SECRET-MARS

Hi all,, an oldie but a Goode from 2014... (and i quote)

"The [Laura] Eisenhower story didn't track with me either." COREY GOODE.

Made me laugh. sorry, back to topic.

Jake...

[RunningDeer]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72453-Black-Triangles-Cornerstone-of-USA-Space-Fleet-UFOTV---Presents-THE-SECRET-MARS

Hi all,, an oldie but a Goode from 2014... (and i quote)

"The Laura Eisenhower story doesn't track with me either." COREY GOODE.

Made me laugh. sorry, back to topic.

Jake...

It's post #7 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72453-Black-Triangles-Cornerstone-of-USA-Space-Fleet-UFOTV---Presents-THE-SECRET-MARS-COLONY&p=848670&viewfull=1#post848670)on that thread. I'll post it here.


The Eisenhower story didn't track with me either.

Her info along with much other "Secret Space Program" topics are covered on a couple threads I started on the matters as well as a few others.

The latest info coming out on the Mars Colonies and Earth Defence Force/Mars Defence Force just prior to the "Secret Space and Break Away Civilization" Conference going on right now in CA (http://www.secretspaceprogram.org/) are posted on the "US Space Command" Thread as well to centralize info for my own research purposes.

That info dove tails with this topic quite well... I hope you do not mind me posting both of those sites here for those seeking further history on both topics... :o

Paul, one of our very own Moderators is at the conference. I look forward to what he has to say as well as the video's that will be released of the speakers and any new info they may have. I look forward to viewing and posting them as well...

Thread: U.S. Has 8 Cigar Shaped UFOs In Space Fleet Used For “Solar Warden,” Program To Protect Solar System:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56532-U.S.-Has-8-Cigar-Shaped-UFOs-In-Space-Fleet-Used-For---Solar-Warden----Program-To-Protect-Solar-System

Thread: Advanced Breakaway Civilizations, ETs/EDs, SOL System Wars & awakening from our slavery:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60111-Advanced-Breakaway-Civilizations-ETs-EDs-SOL-System-Wars-awakening-from-our-slavery

[RunningDeer]

UPDATE: that video is either gone or set to private. :thumb:

Judging by the summary from the dox video of Bill and Daniel, they’ve modified and reuploaded. The home and location is still in it. The summary says, “The email seemed to originate in Mexico.”

You may already know this, but just in case you can report the video by filling out the specifics from the dropped down menu.

Summary:


[snip]

[RunningDeer]

NOTE: The video is removed from Facebook, but the title remains because CG included it when he responded to Laura.

[RunningDeer]

An open letter to the Sphere Being Alliance Community
5uCrEyCL5Gc

Streamed live on Jul 12, 2017

In light of recent developments I have decided that we must all put our efforts at reconciliation and healing into overdrive. It's time to stop this **** is getting outta hand.

[Flash]

If all the alternative video, forums, bloggers, gig and small names report false accusation and threats written by james corey and supported by gaia tv, to youtube, facebook, twitter and pair together for a law suit, they could not lose. Is the community able to do that??? Being tested i think.

I have seen such facebook bullying as described in the video herein with teenagers, this is the level of behaving of 40 years old man, nooot brilliant at all. Corey mental age remained at 12. Regression went too far. (Joking, i do not believe his story)

I hope somebody copies all those videos and facebook, twitter, forum posts



http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Chanter_zpseyebo3dw.jpg


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An open letter to the Sphere Being Alliance Community
5uCrEyCL5Gc

Streamed live on Jul 12, 2017

In light of recent developments I have decided that we must all put our efforts at reconciliation and healing into overdrive. It's time to stop this **** is getting outta hand.

[SunSea]

Corey Goode seems like pure COINTELPRO. This looks like a military/CIA attempt to divide alt media. Somehow Corey is gaining mind control asset allies and those who are in truth are his axis. I am confident that the truth will prevail. However I do feel that this operation is far from over.

I'd like to propose a hyper-dimensional influence in this operation as well. I follow the work of Jacques Valle and John Keel in their observations that the UFO phenomenon, has a other dimensional quality and not beings from other planets. They are controllers of our world that aren't interested in what's best for the people. It was Keels observation that those who became deeply involved with the UFO subject, contactees, researchers ect. had confusing and negative events begin to happen in their lives. Being led down the "wrong" path in other words as these beings are foremost deceivers. This whole Goode thing has become a massive entanglement of negative junk. I try not to invest to much personal energy into it as this gives away ones energy to a manipulative and negative source. Don't feed the dragon in other words.

[Warren Peace]

While I know there is a Secret Space Program (X-38 proves it), I do not believe Corey myself, although I wish him no ill will. He may be like Billy Meier and Stan Romanek, who I believe had real experiences, but may have faked ongoing contact to keep their ufology business going. So human a mistake - and forgivable (provided you are normal folk, and not the satanist Illuminati cabal of assassins). It'll be interesting at MUFON's conference in Vegas this weekend!

[Chester]

Corey Goode seems like pure COINTELPRO. This looks like a military/CIA attempt to divide alt media. Somehow Corey is gaining mind control asset allies and those who are in truth are his axis. I am confident that the truth will prevail. However I do feel that this operation is far from over.

I'd like to propose a hyper-dimensional influence in this operation as well. I follow the work of Jacques Valle and John Keel in their observations that the UFO phenomenon, has a other dimensional quality and not beings from other planets. They are controllers of our world that aren't interested in what's best for the people. It was Keels observation that those who became deeply involved with the UFO subject, contactees, researchers ect. had confusing and negative events begin to happen in their lives. Being led down the "wrong" path in other words as these beings are foremost deceivers. This whole Goode thing has become a massive entanglement of negative junk. I try not to invest to much personal energy into it as this gives away ones energy to a manipulative and negative source. Don't feed the dragon in other words.

Much of what you are suggesting here is similar to what Nick Redfern put forth in his book, Final Events (which has been discussed most recently here at PA in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98441-The-COLLINS-ELITE-Nick-Redfern-Ray-Boeche-and-interdimensional-demonic-aliens-that-the-deep-insiders-may-know-all-about)).

I also consider the suggestions from Chris Thomas with regards to "The Velon" and how they may be an other-worldly "race" of "beings" and perhaps from a different reality or dimension or density or... chose the word you like for pointing to anything other than what I call "our shared 3D plus time reality."

In keeping the above in mind, I would not like to say, "They are controllers of our world" because if I did so, I fear I may also be handing them my own power. I think I would have written - "They attempt to control us in our world." I know that sounds picky but from my experience, words are far more powerful than folks seem to realize... but of course, that is all and only my opinion.

[RunningDeer]

Latest update on the Bill and Daniel dox video: C-L-O-S-E-D

[TargeT]

Latest update on the Bill and Daniel dox video: C-L-O-S-E-D


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/closed_zps3flbtgat.jpg

that's some pretty dramatic back peddling.

[Chester]

YUUUT

about us (http://yuuut.com/about/)

an article on Yuuut -

Army Veteran Claims He Was Part of The Secret Space Program


Before going any further just know this story is about to get really weird. I honestly don’t know what’s going on. Part of me feels like this guy snapped and isn’t all there anymore. I don’t know…

I personally believe this is all a giant elaborate hoax and scam. These guys are egomaniacs building a cult following that believe everything they say.

read more here (http://yuuut.com/corey-goode-space-program/)

[ThePythonicCow]

Kristin just posted her extensive research into Corey's thread reading history on Avalon at: Corey Goode and the Project Avalon Server Data (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98820-Corey-Goode-and-the-Project-Avalon-Server-Data).

Please contribute to any discussion about that on this new thread (rather than here):


Corey Goode and the Server Data: DISCUSSION (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98821-Corey-Goode-and-the-Server-Data-DISCUSSION)

[Spiral]

Kristin just posted her extensive research into Corey's thread reading history on Avalon at: Corey Goode and the Project Avalon Server Data (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98820-Corey-Goode-and-the-Project-Avalon-Server-Data)

I hope you guys really know what you are playing with here, it goes well beyond money making tall talkers .....shields up !

[ThePythonicCow]

I hope you guys really know what you are playing with here, it goes well beyond money making tall talkers .....shields up !
Yup - and Corey lives just 40 miles down the road from me, and has (or at least had back a few years ago) a concealed weapon permit.

[Spiral]

I hope you guys really know what you are playing with here, it goes well beyond money making tall talkers .....shields up !
Yup - and Corey lives just 40 miles down the road from me, and has (or at least had back a few years ago) a concealed weapon permit.

To be honest that would be the last thing I would be worried about, it's the entities behind him (he is a nothing) that are the real danger, they can manifest their anger at being "had" in many ways.

[DeDukshyn]

I hope you guys really know what you are playing with here, it goes well beyond money making tall talkers .....shields up !
Yup - and Corey lives just 40 miles down the road from me, and has (or at least had back a few years ago) a concealed weapon permit.

To be honest that would be the last thing I would be worried about, it's the entities behind him (he is a nothing) that are the real danger, they can manifest their anger at being "had" in many ways.

People at that level are so incredibly careful, that it would really take a lot for them to out themselves in that way -- hence why they always only use stooges of several degrees of separation away from themselves. They wouldn't do anything stupid; but they do watch for others to, and pounce on that. We already had the "Charles" scenario and he definitely tried or was guided to try to inflict harm on several people in regards to his stunts, and the Avalon team held it well together throughout. There is some similarities - in a sense I can almost see Corey as "Charles 2.0". I'm an optimist and it has served me well. :)

[Flash]

I hope you guys really know what you are playing with here, it goes well beyond money making tall talkers .....shields up !
Yup - and Corey lives just 40 miles down the road from me, and has (or at least had back a few years ago) a concealed weapon permit.

To be honest that would be the last thing I would be worried about, it's the entities behind him (he is a nothing) that are the real danger, they can manifest their anger at being "had" in many ways.

People at that level are so incredibly careful, that it would really take a lot for them to out themselves in that way -- hence why they always only use stooges of several degrees of separation away from themselves. They wouldn't do anything stupid; but they do watch for others to, and pounce on that. We already had the "Charles" scenario and he definitely tried or was guided to try to inflict harm on several people in regards to his stunts, and the Avalon team held it well together throughout. There is some similarities - in a sense I can almost see Corey as "Charles 2.0". I'm an optimist and it has served me well. :)

Well, i could tell you that Charles had mesmerised the then Avalon administrator'wife and it made a lot of trouble for the forum and for them as well. So not sure the Avalon team held it that well together since the admin (Richard) had to quit. But she would have listen to him (Charles), and Charles knew it and played his game through them. Corey is certainly doing the same.

[Harley]

I hope you guys really know what you are playing with here, it goes well beyond money making tall talkers .....shields up !
Yup - and Corey lives just 40 miles down the road from me, and has (or at least had back a few years ago) a concealed weapon permit.

To be honest that would be the last thing I would be worried about, it's the entities behind him (he is a nothing) that are the real danger, they can manifest their anger at being "had" in many ways.

People at that level are so incredibly careful, that it would really take a lot for them to out themselves in that way -- hence why they always only use stooges of several degrees of separation away from themselves. They wouldn't do anything stupid; but they do watch for others to, and pounce on that. We already had the "Charles" scenario and he definitely tried or was guided to try to inflict harm on several people in regards to his stunts, and the Avalon team held it well together throughout. There is some similarities - in a sense I can almost see Corey as "Charles 2.0". I'm an optimist and it has served me well. :)

Well I can certainly see and understand Paul's point.

Some years ago when I posted the thread The False Flag Alien Threat To Frame The ETs As Enemies (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9653-False-Flag-Alien-Threat-To-Frame-The-ETs-As-Enemies), which was around the same time that Bill first introduced Charles to the forum (someone can check that), I received a totally unexpected PM from Charles that shocked the heck outa me. Basically he said 'Who are you?', 'How do you know all this?', and 'Be careful what you say and don't forget who you owe allegiance to' (all paraphrased) and then he alluded to my health/welfare.

Needless to say I was really taken aback, so after about a day I forwarded the PM to Bill and he replied shortly with some kind words basically explaining that I was misinterpreting what he had said to me.

Not long after I heard from Bill I received another PM from Charles in which he apologized for my misunderstanding, and then he went on to explain that:

(And this is on-point with what Paul and Spiral are saying)
'There may be some inexperienced young buck out there looking to make a name for himself' (paraphrased).

So, yeah. It's a good thing to remember. There really are fanatical zealots of all kinds out there.

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Almost 8 Years Bill? Wow! Hard to believe!

:)

[Flash]

YUUUT

about us (http://yuuut.com/about/)

an article on Yuuut -

Army Veteran Claims He Was Part of The Secret Space Program


Before going any further just know this story is about to get really weird. I honestly don’t know what’s going on. Part of me feels like this guy snapped and isn’t all there anymore. I don’t know…

I personally believe this is all a giant elaborate hoax and scam. These guys are egomaniacs building a cult following that believe everything they say.

read more here (http://yuuut.com/corey-goode-space-program/)

have you read the responses to the article you sited Sam, they are jewels

some extracts:




Corey Goode is not for real because; Corey is supporting a Jesuit Copernicum model of the solar system that was created to diminish life on our Flat Earth, designed to prepare humanity for a false ET invasion for a New World Order run by Satanists, now being installed by the Catholic Church and Khazarian Mafia bankers via Albert Pikes WWlll.

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October 31, 2016 at 12:42 PM


LMFAO!!! Love that response,

[Flash]

I hope you guys really know what you are playing with here, it goes well beyond money making tall talkers .....shields up !
Yup - and Corey lives just 40 miles down the road from me, and has (or at least had back a few years ago) a concealed weapon permit.

To be honest that would be the last thing I would be worried about, it's the entities behind him (he is a nothing) that are the real danger, they can manifest their anger at being "had" in many ways.

People at that level are so incredibly careful, that it would really take a lot for them to out themselves in that way -- hence why they always only use stooges of several degrees of separation away from themselves. They wouldn't do anything stupid; but they do watch for others to, and pounce on that. We already had the "Charles" scenario and he definitely tried or was guided to try to inflict harm on several people in regards to his stunts, and the Avalon team held it well together throughout. There is some similarities - in a sense I can almost see Corey as "Charles 2.0". I'm an optimist and it has served me well. :)

Well, i could tell you that Charles had mesmerised the then Avalon administrator'wife and it made a lot of trouble for the forum and for them as well. So not sure the Avalon team held it that well together since the admin (Richard) had to quit. But she would have listen to him (Charles), and Charles knew it and played his game through them. Corey is certainly doing the same.

Forgot to add that I had dinner with both Richard and his wife in Montréal and they both admitted this directly to me - this is not gossiping, they both were back on their feet and quite distraught by it. Their daughter was my street neighboor.

[Shadowself]

Okay....pondering and wondering what is happening.

Teresa Yanaros did a video interview with Corey. Where is it? So I looked at her channel and saw a video where she is discussing moving and detaching.

Then I went to her new boyfriend's channel and he talks about the MUFON conference and mentions who will be there but does not once mention Corey.

Is Corey backing out of the conference? Is the heat that he will be facing by seasoned researchers too much for him to deal with?

Are Jordan and Teresa having second thoughts about Corey Goode?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo2GL5T8T_E


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g42zCTLQ8MI

Before the stalking video that Corey and Co. made:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXSZjqeXSns

Do you think they found the Corey Goode Stalking video as creepy as we did?

Do you suppose the lie that Stacy Goode said in her video when she said they had not gone to church since shortly after they got married was evident to Teresa? That in fact they were going to church up until they left this forum if not still taking the kids to church?

Truth can be a hard pill to swallow...especially when you're caught up in the game and being featured in the next Corey and Co. conference that was the brain child of Annette O'Toole and they are going to profit on the Art of the Steal?

Food for thought.

[Basho]

Interesting, shadowself. Maybe the puppet masters are sacrificing CG & redirecting their resources to the kids. Pretty obvious that the kids are much more marketable, even to the middle aged & older truthers.

[ThePythonicCow]

Are Jordan and Teresa having second thoughts about Corey Goode?
When I hear Jordan Sather pumping the "Secret Space Program" story, I react somewhat as Joe Kennedy (wealthy American oligarch) did when he heard his shoe shine boy offering him stock market tips, shortly before the 1929 New York stock market crash. ... time to get out of that market.

[RunningDeer]

Moving from Texas to Washington where Jordan resides would make the Corey Goode kids graduate to the new and improved Corey & Stacy duo.

The handlers will dial back the blue bird and dial up the frequency and disclosure with these latest and newest experts on all things cosmos, divine frequency and destroying the illusion.

Jordan Sather, Teresa Yanaros, Mike Waskosky are some of the Mt. Shasta experts you get for your $300 admittance come August. (workshops, food and accommodations not included)

The doxers of personal information is all I see from Corey & co, Laura Eisenhower, Teresa Yanaros, Mike Waskosky and all those who continue to look the other way. Creepy.


You are the Alliance & We are Disclosure = nails on a chalkboard meme

[GroovieBean]

Jordan, not jason. glad im moving out of WA LOL....

[Bill Ryan]

I highly recommend this video, from Joe from the Carolinas.

He's basically a farmer, and makes videos about organic gardening. But Joe went way off-topic here to answer someone's question about Corey et al. He knew little about the entire subject, but did some digging and then made this quite wonderful and very acute summary.

Smart guy... I got to be impressed. Enjoy. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykj3BgDPcwM

[RunningDeer]

I highly recommend this video, from Joe from the Carolinas.

He's basically a farmer, and makes videos about organic gardening. But Joe went way off-topic here to answer someone's question about Corey et al. He knew little about the entire subject, but did some digging and then made this quite wonderful and very acute summary.

Smart guy... I got to be impressed. Enjoy. :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykj3BgDPcwM

Bill, I sent Joe from the Carolinas an invitation to join Project Avalon through his gmail and YouTube accounts, and a link to your post here.

[RunningDeer]

You’ll know within 3-4 minutes if you want to listen further to this guy named, Zzenn (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYBIx3z9hmKiK7nwyA2tVfg/videos). Note: he begins @ 1 minute with Corey Goode.

He's has got many entertaining lines:

"He uses big words. And it’s assumed that just because a person uses big words they actually know things. So it’s also assumed that they are an authority. Then it’s assumed that what they say is true. This is how people bamboozle people."
He rattles off a bunch of words and says, “Now if you a search on any of these, you will find nothing but Corey Goode’s name."
“Feeding gullible minds, sells.”
“I’m really glad that the SphereBeingAlliance.com was able to bring this out to the entire planet because NASA and the other government agencies aren't really able to do this…”



Corey Goode & Blue Avians TOTAL BALONEY
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Published on May 6, 2017

[UfonautRadio]

I honestly loved this one. He is obviously well tuned into the space.

[Milo]

Regarding Jordan Sather:

Jordan is a smart young man but still inexperienced. I wouldn't be surprised, if he is a main player within this market, before he is 35.

To understand who Jordan Sather is and where he came from, you have to understand a bit about Marketing.

Jordan Sather seem to know a bit or two about basic marketing. His knowledge level would probably be around a marketing assistant or trainee. It is very basic at this stage. But he is only 27/28. He has enormous potential. My advice to Jordan Sather would be to always play against smarter opponents as you only become smarter by playing a smarter opponent.

For him to establish himself as a new player on the field, he would need to establish Ethos (character of authority/credibility).

He did this by first creating a blog. (Creation of brand & credibility)
Then he wrote an Ebook(Establishing credibility, also it's a passive income).
Then he started to guest blog(Establishing further credibility)

Without too much speculation, Jordan Sather quickly realised that there was not a lot of money in only writing blog posts. Especially when the audience is less than 100.000

So the next step was to make YouTube videos.

Being persuasive on camera is a bit harder, than being persuasive in text, but if you know your marketing models & methods, then it's actually quite easy.

You will notice in Jordan Sather videos, he uses simple persuasion techniques. Such as:

- Use of Glasses (Studies show people view other people with glasses as intelligent, hence establish credibility)

- Use of Whiteboard (It creates a teacher & student relationship, Him being the teacher and the viewer being the student. it's a very good but simple technique to establish credibility)

Other basic persuasive methods used in his videos.

- Use of the Coffee technique (Set aside my personal opinion, on how stupid, Jordan Sather but also his girlfriends, use of the coffee technique is.. It is a basic persuasion technique but effective. Before meetings, for an example, begins it's always good to have your client or whoever there is in that meeting, to have a warm drink in their hands. Studies shows that it basically makes people more relaxed and easier to persuade)

This is just to name a few of the basic marketing methods he uses. He also use some techniques which are outdated, but this is probably due to his inexperience in marketing.

Jordan Sather will be in the alternative field for as long as he wish too. He has a good basic understanding of marketing and will always be able to persuade & gather an audience, due to his knowledge of Aristotle's modes of persuasion. (Logos, Pathos and Ethos)

However the fact that Corey Goode's manager takes advice from Jordan Sather shows how amateurish Corey Goode's team really are.

Regarding Corey Goode:

He is bad on camera and is easily recognised as a con man. His body language was the last nail in the coffin for me (Hiding of his palms, distancing himself from the audience and so on). Could go into depth about how easily it is to pick apart Corey Goode & his testimony. But I cannot see the point of doing so, as majority of members on Project Avalon, sees him for what he is.
A con man.

Corey Goode is most likely David Wilcock's puppet. It seems so.
However David James Wilcock/Holland will most likely dump James Corey Goode when he becomes to hot to touch.

However the attempt to release personal information on Bill Ryan & Daniel Liszt, is a dirty attempt to intimidate.
I doubt David Wilcock would be happy if the same kind information was released about him, his little brother MXXXXXl and sister MXXXXXXe.

David Wilcock should advise his puppet better really.

The recent release of information on Bill Ryan and Daniel Liszt whereabouts is not difficult to obtain. The creator of the recent video is an amateur, to be honest. They are not in anyway LE(Law Enforcement), which was just a bad attempt to create credibility.

[RunningDeer]

However the attempt to release personal information on Bill Ryan & Daniel Liszt, is a dirty attempt to intimidate.
I doubt David Wilcock would be happy if the same kind information was released about him, his XXXX & XXXX.

I'd suggest you remove the names of David's family. To my way of thinking, it too, is doxing.

[Chester]

However the attempt to release personal information on Bill Ryan & Daniel Liszt, is a dirty attempt to intimidate.
I doubt David Wilcock would be happy if the same kind information was released about him, his XXXX & XXXX.

I'd suggest you remove the names of David's family. To my way of thinking, it too is doxing.

thanks and good call, Milo.

[ditting]

Greetings Avalonians!

I want to thank all of you Avalon members, mods, and Bill for doing your part to dig up and share information here in efforts to piece together the truth. It has been ages since I posted anything but this whole situation with Corey has caused me to take a greater interest in what everyone is saying. I have been following this subject with interest and caution and would like to weigh in.

Although it is still unfolding, it feels as if the exposure of Corey, et al. has reached a point of no return for most. When Joe the Farmer (Who is quite intelligent and thoughtful) can share his accurate summary with some moderate googling it is evident to me Corey's untruths are mainstream.

Some of the questions I have are:

1. How can Corey recover from this with any credibility?

It is my feeling that Corey cannot recover as a "Whistleblower" from this recent exposure. There are too many people who now see him as a unreliable source of information. Even if Corey changed his tune by say sharing what he knows about the 3 year marketing plan, Roger Ramsaur, etc. with efforts to win back the favor of his audience it is doubtful he will be trusted. He has been used to serve a bigger agenda and likely is disposable to his manipulators. Does Corey know this? What is his perceived or intended future? Is there a plan B that includes Corey? OR was this a part of the plan all along?

2. Where is David Wilcock?

His silence is extremely deafening right now. However, I cannot assume what it could mean that he has not made a peep since the boat started rocking. Is he still in bed with Corey? Does he want to be? Maybe he obligated through a contract with Gaia to finish out a series. In my mind he has two main paths to follow:

A) He can come out against Corey. He was misinformed, deceived, gullible, or did not adequately vet his cohost. This will likely cause some at least short term disfavor of David but in the long run is a better option in my opinion.

B) He can ride the Corey wave. If David can "hang ten" he will likely be singing to a different audience. If the wave gobbles them up or fizzles out it may be career suicide for David.

Project Avalon may have provided the "programming" for Corey to repurpose but in my opinion it was David who really created the monster. David has created many many hours of interviews with Corey via Cosmic Disclosure which has served as Corey's megaphone and broadcast his message far and wide. Did David rush into his union with Corey hastily so that he could be the one holding that megaphone? Is he regretting it now? I also don't see how David can recover from this with dignity or credibility intact. It seems as if his ride with Corey has compromised his credibility as a researcher either way. Taking responsibility for his role in promoting Corey would be good for folks who respect David for his research (myself included).

The Agenda

It has been alluded to in several posts (apologies for not quoting these) that the Agenda behind Corey and Co. is very dark and sinister. It is obviously not the brainchild of Corey alone. It's also evident to me that it is not just about making money either. I do see the cult like qualities of the Sphere Being Alliance, Corey's Kids, etc. What about for folks like us? We who do not drink the Kool-Aid. If the forces behind Corey were planning this all out they must realize there would be folks who could easily poke holes in the story. It must not matter how credible the story is. Some possibilities for the agenda that come to mind are:

1. To assimilate enough people to make the cult worthwhile. Maybe they have a quota?
2. To discredit the Secret Space Program. So any outsider will see it ALL as bogus instead of just Corey's story.
3. To discredit the Ufology or the UFO community. So whoever opposes gets dragged down with the ship.
4. To occupy the time/attention/energy of valid, credible, honest and well intended truth seekers and researchers.
5. To distract us form what they don't want us to see. Not seeing the left hand while we are putting our attention to the right hand.
6. To pave the way for something else.....
7. To prevent or dissuade any REAL Secret Space Program Whistleblowers from coming forward.

I would be very interested to hear what your additions to or elaborations on items listed may be. For those who feel the agenda is very dark/sinister: what more specifically do you see that being?

I am looking forward to:

1. Dark Journalists next part in his New Age Deep State Series
2. What happens at the MUFON conference
3. All of your feedback


Thank you again for all your hard work! Thank you for having me as a fellow member! Cheers!

[Milo]

I have taken your advice and done so.

[Shadowself]

Several times during this recent reveal of Corey Goode and Co. with the marketing scheme....he has stated: "I have nothing to hide".

Well we here at Avalon have shown he has plenty to hide. The more you look at his footprint here the more you find. Hence the IP thread made by Kristin and Paul where he was researching this stuff long before he came to Avalon.

The 22 race thing belonged to Alex Collier...yet he gets full credit for it? I wonder how Alex would feel knowing someone is profiting on his own disclosure?

The more you look the more you find.

The Birth of the Blue Avain Sphere Alliance (Que the music):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eebjp-fdp-I

According to Cory's linkedin his last job in IT was a four month stint before he got hurt on the job. Ending in October.

So one would think he would be stressed about it and work to figure out how to support his family...here is a guy who just lost his job. Has a wife and two young children to take care of and a house rental to pay to keep a roof over their heads.

Now I may be wrong but I think most people in that position would not be bothered to do some random posting on a forum but figure where the next paycheck is coming from to put food on the table!

Unless....he's making money doing something on the side and maybe a bit illegal? Then... not too much to worry over eh?

His posting has no indication of any kind of shall we say as a disturbance in the force...LOL No income will definitely screw with the force when it comes to feeding the family!

But look what he was thinking about in October the time he was no longer working. Of the many threads this one during that time is...shall we say timing?

The original post is about this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emT1oqw4iwA

Now of course someone else posted it...but during the time that he stated his employment ended in October based on his Linkedin....he was posting this:


Sources say there are currently never before seen numbers of various "unknown" objects (Craft) that have recently moved in closer and closer to Near Earth Orbit (NEO) from out outer ort cloud and outer solar system where many stations wait and watch us, some go about business that has nothing to do with our flaky race... Causing great distress in our own secret space program(S) who have been on their "Cosmic Version" of "Defcon 2". For now they have pulled in close/tight to NEO and are basically doing RECON with some of the more dark programs making hostile moves towards the unknowns (With signs in the skies from the fall out).

I almost expect P.T. Barnum to stand in center ring and announce the "Greatest Show On Earth is About to Begin"!

Much is playing out down here right now and we are NOT participating at ALL! We are waiting and watching to see what the Aliens or Forces of Light will DO FOR US! There will be those of us that are service to others that will sacrifice for those who do nothing and pay dearly. This was once a GREAT BRAVE NATION, we have been subjugated, brainwashed and humiliated to the point of feeling helpless and impotent. It truly is time to turn OFF the TV/Control Device's and sit in silence and remember our roots, the stories your grandfather told you of HONOR/DUTY/SACRIFICE FOR GREATER GOOD! To look into the eyes of the next generation and decide that YOU will make these sacrifices NOW so they do not suffer and have to make these decisions decades later, if that is even an option.

Those with inside information know how dire the situation is, the 3 branches of Government are BROKEN BEYOND REPAIR, the Military is NOT going to do what is needed to reset us back from a Corporation of Evil to the Republic of our forefathers... So, what are we going to do?

I am not asking for any violence I am only asking for creative ways of doing battle... What would Sun Tsu do? What would Ghandi do? The two party system has been used to play us off of each other to keep us from trusting each other, and blaming each other. What will WE DO to overcome this brilliant control system?

Do you see NOW what OTHER CULTURES (ET's/ED's/Ancient Break Away Civilizations/Future Viewers from HERE) may be interested in seeing? They are not here to save us. They are here to SEE us SAVE OUR SELVES, then step in and invite us to join a larger community and help us heal as a WHOLE Human Race.

I would say get ready to see a lot more beautiful things or "SIGNS" in the sky... Many are who live far enough out away from city lights and take the time to look up! Military reports On Land, On the Sea, In the Air are at an all time high!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64348-What-Are-These-NASA-Says-It-Doesn--t-Know&p=743850&viewfull=1#post743850

Sing it again Sam...the birth of the Blue Sphere Being Alliance:

I would say get ready to see a lot more beautiful things or "SIGNS" in the sky...

[RunningDeer]

Several times during this recent reveal of Corey Goode and Co. with the marketing scheme....he has stated: "I have nothing to hide".

Well we here at Avalon have shown he has plenty to hide. The more you look at his footprint here the more you find. Hence the IP thread made by Kristin and Paul where he was researching this stuff long before he came to Avalon.
http://imgur.com/xLdUuPi.gif

Corey Goode and the Project Avalon Server Data (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98820-Corey-Goode-and-the-Project-Avalon-Server-Data&p=1167047&viewfull=1#post1167047)

A snip and link from Paul’s post - full unedited file of threads viewed by Corey (http://thepythoniccow.us/corey_threads_viewed_2011_2017.txt).

Thread - Corey Goode and the Server Data: DISCUSSION (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98821-Corey-Goode-and-the-Server-Data-DISCUSSION)

[Kristin]

Really interesting vid on Daniel's Facebook Page today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foYjhVAubWo

[AutumnW]

The whole Goode affair should serve as a warning. If not, he will be plucked like a toadstool and ten new "Corries" will appear. The new 'cosmic' con men will pick a topic that uses the same underlying religious fabric and spin similar yarns.

[RunningDeer]

So one would think he would be stressed about it and work to figure out how to support his family...here is a guy who just lost his job. Has a wife and two young children to take care of and a house rental to pay to keep a roof over their heads.

Now I may be wrong but I think most people in that position would not be bothered to do some random posting on a forum but figure where the next paycheck is coming from to put food on the table!

It's not unreasonable for Stacey to get a job while Corey takes care of their kids. He's uploaded a video where he's transporting them to school.

Stacey told us that she has a biology degree. Which means she certainly able to function in the workforce. Isn't that what partners do? Pitch in, brainstorm solutions, cut expenses, nix family trips to Hawaii?

[Flash]

The whole Goode affair should serve as a warning. If not, he will be plucked like a toadstool and ten new "Corries" will appear. The new 'cosmic' con men will pick a topic that uses the same underlying religious fabric and spin similar yarns.

Yes and it is very easy to spin similar yarns. All video games creators and story tellers know this, as well as all courses writers, novelists, etc.

You look at the values of a given people (here the USA with the Southern Belt being overly religious + new agers like in California kind of), study the social make up, very easy with marketing algorithms, and create a story (coke, nike and others all do it), then write the narrative et voilà!

But easier yet with small budgets are the story teller approach: you build up what you want to be believed or the lesson you want to impart, or better, you take a live real example of the lesson you want to impart, and to avoid resistance to the lesson or the story, you distance it for the audience in physicality (like put it in Italie for US readers), in short, distancing it may mean putting it in space, or distance in time (the US 200 years ago or 200 years in the futur).

With Corey we get the story based on religious behavior and belief systems already quite implanted in most Americans, you take some real life heroes (whistleblowers), write the narrative and distance it in time and space. And voilà, a crowd of gullibles will buying it.

But yet, worst, Corey not only based its stories on religious mentalities and whistleblowers endeaviours, he also used a commonly known good caracter to ALL American children, a caracter that nobody doubts as being good and wanting your well being, all this at the unconscious level because it was so well assimilated in the culture and inito the brain of Corey's kid when they were 3 years old, namely:

https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/9/92/Bigbirdnewversion.png/revision/latest?cb=20120128201030


The power of storytelling.

We all love a great story. For thousands of years people have been moved by stories. We use them to entertain, teach, comfort and inspire. They help us connect to our imagination and explore different solutions.

We can learn the structure of really influenctial stories, and we can learn to craft stories with a particular end in mind to support both our own and our listeners’ goals.

There are at least seven basic storytelling approaches that are worth exploring. Good stories are likely to be a combination of more than one, however, using even one can greatly improve the impact of our communication.

All these approaches have the potential to be exceptionally effective in the right context. However, they often need practice so that we don’t make the story sound contrived. With practise, we will come over naturally and pay attention to how our audience is reacting.



Seven storytelling approaches.



1. Simple State Change

Tell a story where the starting state of the characters matches that of your audience. Then describe an event or interaction that results in your characters moving to a more positive state. If your audience has built rapport with your characters, they too will move into that more positive state.

Provided you keep it plausible, you do not need to explain much reason for state change; it’s much more effective to simply describe the states in sensory, emotive terms and let the audience make their own changes.

2. Teaching Tale

Use a story to explain the details of a successful and/or unsuccessful strategy. It’s sometimes much easier to tell a story about someone exhibiting a series of useful/destructive behaviours than demanding actions from people.

3. Metaphor

Sometimes you can get much nearer-the-bone by explaining the situation as a metaphor. For example, if you are talking to a group of directors who aren’t being helpful to each other, you tell a story about a band of outlaws who lost everything because they didn’t agree to take the right difficult decisions.

4. State Strategy

Sometimes moving someone from, for example, a depressed state to a contented state, is too much of a jump to make in one go.

Therefore, break the interaction into a number of smaller changes. You could go from depressed to frustrated to determined to excited to action to feeling good to contented state.

If the listener is in rapport with you and resonates with the characters in the story, they will experience the states in the right sequence and develop an unconscious strategy for moving from depression to contentment.

5. Classic Case Study (SOARA)

This is a simple sequence for presenting a case study :
◾Situation: the situation and problem (and possibly the implication of the problem).
◾Objective: What you wanted to achieve.
◾Action: What you actually did.
◾Result: What happened (intentional or not).
◾Aftermath: The implication of the result over time.

There are a number of versions of this approach. The interesting point using this format can make a person who has limited experience to come over as exceptionally experienced and competent.

6. Nested Loops

Stories within stories are particularly effective for therapeutic change, and especially for delivering embedded commands – although any character in a story can deliver embedded commands.
◾Open story one
◾Open story two
◾Open story three
◾Add commands
◾Close story three
◾Close story two
◾Close story one

The idea is that when a story is opened and left open without closure and another story is started, a part of our consciousness is waiting for the first story to be closed. If our conscious mind is holding three open stories, we have very little consciousness free to evaluate any statements made.

When the stories are closed we’re likely to remember the stories consciously, but the commands will be in our unconscious waiting, like seeds, to grow.

7. The Hero’s Journey

This is another classical story structure. There a number of versions – this one is loosely based on Joseph Campbell’s.

The Hero’s Journey is more than a metaphor, it may be the strategy of how we grow and develop. It has always been an effective structure for stories.

Just because it uses the word Hero don’t assume that it has to be chained to a mythical, fantasy setting with a warrior fighting dragons. It could just as easily apply to a day in the life of a taxi driver.



The journey involves three stages :

Stage One : Departure
1.A call to adventure (e.g. responding to a crisis).
2.Refusing the call, but then accepting.
3.Once accepting the call, the hero finds previously undiscovered internal or external resources to help.
4.Crossing the threshold. The hero enters unknown territory leading to 5.
5.The hero has to let go of previous approaches.

Stage Two : Initiation
6.The road of trials, a number of tests that the hero may (and probably will) fail.
7.Meeting with the Goddess: meeting someone who cares about you.
8.Meeting the Temptress: the hero faces temptation of a physical or sensual nature.
9.Atonement with the Father. The hero must confront and be initiated by whatever holds the ultimate power in his or her life. This might be the ultimate challenge.
10.Recovery. Rest, peace and reflection.
11.Achievement of challenge.

Stage Three : Return
12.Refusal to return. The hero may not want to return.
13.Escape. The hero may find escaping as much of a challenge as leaving his or home in the first place.
14.Master of two worlds. When home the hero now has two world-views.
15.Freedom to live. Having survived the ordeal and return the hero gains significant freedom to live how he or she chooses.



Suggested Exercise

Consider your next three client meetings. What states and information would your clients benefit from? Plan a story that attempts to address each. Use the stories, if appropriate, during your next meeting with them.

https://www.nlp-techniques.org/nlp-techniques-neuro-linguistic-programming-techniques/key-nlp-techniques/storytelling/

[Foxie Loxie]

LOVE the phrase " 'cosmic' conmen"! :highfive: Conmen know how to make people feel sorry for them; pure logic seems to accomplish nothing. Each of us has to learn our own lessons in life & it seems this younger crowd will have to learn their lessons the hard way, as a great many of us have. :doh:

[RunningDeer]

Not so off topic.
Video was taken down because it was misleading…
(Nuff said in the first 30 seconds.)


YouTube Took Down My Video Exposing CNN - And You Won't Believe Why!
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Published on Jul 19, 2017

YouTube took down my "This is CNN" viral video, mocking and exposing CNN, and you won't believe why. It's the most ironic thing I've ever heard. Here's what happened. Copyright © 2017

[Chester]

People are tired of being lied to nicely and so they are reacting directly.

[Flash]

A take over by narcissists and sociopaths has many facets. One of those is what i wrote above about using story tellling techniques and using already implanted memes to have an impact on people. Another one much more subtle is using humanities archétypes to gain power over people. Archétypes that are sometimes shared by the planet herself as well. Here what i wrote in another thread about this:

In the same vein as your, humanity has been serve the good and the bad stories because in their inner most development (or undevelopment), they are squeeze with the PERSECUTOR-VICTIM-SAVIOR complex, which is a full fledge archetype to which all of humanity and planet earth have succombed (Fallen).

This perpetual loop in between the three stops évolutions and the development of self responsibility.

When the victim says : I HAVE BEEN HURT, a savior comes and says I WILL HELP YOU and then goes against the persecuter who then says I AM THEEE VICTIM and those you consider victime are MY PERSECUTOR, then the victim starting to feel its anger which is often justified will want TO PERSECUTE her persecuter and blame the savior for not helping more - so the persecuter becomes in turn the victim, the original victime becomes the persecutors and the savior changes her target. AT one point the savior becomes victim as well (think of all the real whistleblowers).

This is why it is soooo important not to give violence back, as not to pursue this destructive archetype and instead take full responsibilities for our victimhood and turn away energetically, not give an inch of a take to real life persecutors. Extremely difficult to do, but doable.

This is also why playing with this archetype is soooooo easy for nefarious intentions and nefarious énergies/beings.

Therefore, the game good/bad ET is probably right, they at present all bad, until we take our own responsibilities and take care of our own.

Goodie is a full fledge archetype sponsor and implementer with its savior ETs.

And Bill, Dark Journalist and others are actually cancelling Goodes énergies and will to implement this persecutor/victim/savior archetype. Using logic and proof base thinking. We just have to be careful not to persecute in turn, and just remain the observers and naming what we see in order to destroy the unconscious impact of what we see that is off and that is to use us.

[Kristin]

And Bill, Dark Journalist and others are actually cancelling Goodes énergies and will to implement this persecutor/victim/savior archetype. Using logic and proof base thinking. We just have to be careful not to persecute in turn, and just remain the observers and naming what we see in order to destroy the unconscious impact of what we see that is off and that is to use us.

Spot on Flash!

[Bill Ryan]

the PERSECUTOR-VICTIM-SAVIOR complex

Yes. This is called The Drama Triangle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle), developed by Steve Karpman (https://www.karpmandramatriangle.com/) in the 1960s. It's one of the many major tools of Transactional Analysis.

http://www.tacoach.hu/images/drama.jpg

[Pam]

the PERSECUTOR-VICTIM-SAVIOR complex

Yes. This is called The Drama Triangle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle), developed by Steve Karpman (https://www.karpmandramatriangle.com/) in the 1960s. It's one of the many major tools of Transactional Analysis.

http://www.tacoach.hu/images/drama.jpg


It's easy to look at something like this and identify the position of others in the cycle of drama. The harder observation is to identify ourselves and what part we are individually playing. I also realize that this is a fluid thing. One time a victim, another time a rescuer or a persecutor. Most assuredly if we find ourselves in the midst of drama, we are playing a part. I am not saying that is good or bad, life can be pretty unexciting without drama.

[Flash]

Yes, i got it in French. I worked a lot with this in conflict management and leadership seminars. It is very efficient. When the people involved get to know this, often, they end up solving the problem. I used this and NLP (but with a positive usage, not for nefarious purposes).

This triangle is overused by sociopaths and psychopaths and manipulators of all kinds. They have a real good nose for sniffing those who will succomb to it, for sniffing the right timing etc. Once you know about it, you are much less subject to be taken for a ride.

The important thing to understand is that when the savior helps the victim (not talking of road accident here where you have emergency care, but psychological/energetic/emotional interventions), he de-responsabilise the victim and the latter get into a passive state of needing help, sometimes with no end in sight. The advantages for the savior: he has control on the victim and the persecutor, because the persecutor has to take him into account if he wants to pursue his persecution.

The other important thing to know is that the persecutor will try to have the savior side with him either by having the savior perceive him (the persecutor) as a victim as well, or by having the savior seeing advantages in siding with him (through treats or heavy gifts for example - see threats to David Wilcock for example). Once that is done, the persecutor has his hands free and can drill into the victim - the victim becomes sometimes so entrenched into the whole system that she cannot see any issues (typical of cults).

The third thing is that the victim may then become persecutor to try to change the situation. We see that in chldren who were molested whom in turn molest children when they became adults. We also see that in cult victims who will attack anyone not agreeing with them and their beliefs.

Usually in a normal situation, we are all sometimes caught in this archetype. What makes it normal is the flexibility in it, we will be in turn savior, victim, persecutor, depending on needs and life circumstances. And sometimes we will be out of the triangle in our relationships. Of course, really developed beings who have pretty much overcome the human situation won't even get into that archetype. But the great majority of humans (99.9%)are still at this stage of development.

When this triangle is used by psychopaths and manipulators, who have had training in using it since early childhood or have genetic make up easying their Learning of manipulation (PTB elite, psychopaths with no empathy in their brain cells) (they are incredibly good at using it) you will notice that the positions in the triangle have become inflexible. Nobody change sides. The persecutors remains persecuting, the victim remains a victim and the savior(s) remain in the same position. Then you know whom you are dealing with, this is chronic and there is most probably a real psycho in it (could be the perceived victim that is manipulation and persecuting with her sickness as well, beware). This requires stringent intervention and/or complete withdrawal from one of the actors to brake the loop.

When intervention happens (Bill Ryan and Dard Journalist for Goode), you will have a large reaction from the psychopath because he loses his power. He will try to get saviors on his side (Goode's kids mainly and Gaia TV and..the cult followers.), will start threatening the archetype disturbers, and will go very far to defend its hand on others. This, in personal relationships, goes on between 6 to12 months, then slowly fades away, this is a very difficult period for the ones in the victim position, times where the Partner gets killed for example, and the victim has to know she has to be very strong and it will be for a time only). After 12 months, the persecutor starts looking for other victims.

Victims are to blame to if they do not take personal responsibilities, as the truth movement could be blamed if it does not take its own defense.

So Bill and company, expect more trouble ahead, until Goode is either replaced or loses so much that he has to look elsewhere.

Same for PTB, they will defend to the teeth their positions of power. THe whole system has become inflexible, the 1% having it all and exploiting the rest.

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Peterpam, yes life is not exciting without drama, so it seems, for less Evolved people. But in fact, it is completely the opposite. But we have been so trained with misery and pain that we think we need it in order to evolve or be excited.

I do not think that a scientist who is completely enthralled with his research is in a drama, but on the contrary, he is in the excitement of curiosity fulfillment.

I do not think that a mountain climber is in pain except for physical (here we are talking of emotional pain within this triangle), which he has imposed on himself, so it does not get to be negative Learning, but rather getting within and using all its inner powers you see...

This triangle has been bought by human and we live with it since we bought it. Time for growth hey??





the PERSECUTOR-VICTIM-SAVIOR complex

Yes. This is called The Drama Triangle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle), developed by Steve Karpman (https://www.karpmandramatriangle.com/) in the 1960s. It's one of the many major tools of Transactional Analysis.

http://www.tacoach.hu/images/drama.jpg

[Foxie Loxie]

It is not possible to CHANGE other people....we can only present the facts as we know them & allow others to make their own decisions. The facts are now OUT THERE! It is a personal decision relative to where each individual is IN the drama as to how much energy one wishes to expend & for what purpose. :sun:

[Flash]

This belief is a limiting one loxie foxie. We may not ´change' someone but we are always able to change the situation Which in turns changes the behavior of those involved and often jump starts an awakening in those who are truthful within, de bonne foi. Psychopaths will rarely change either because the way they are provides much rewards or because they can't due to their genetic make up

But we can change the setting, this is our responsibilities and an helping belief:bigsmile:

Bill and others did just that, changing the settings to a more empathetic and humane one


It is not possible to CHANGE other people....we can only present the facts as we know them & allow others to make their own decisions. The facts are now OUT THERE! It is a personal decision relative to where each individual is IN the drama as to how much energy one wishes to expend & for what purpose. :sun:

[AutumnW]

Interesting topic, Flash. The religious archetypes are super tricky. How does a fundamentalist Christian finesse a religion that requires kindness and the worst kinds of cruelty, at the same time,without going mad from cognitive dissonance?

It is because they have equipped the religion with a brutal Old Testament God AND a sacrificial lamb. The preacher will place himself on the drama triangle, in evangelical religions and yank his followers around with theatrics, often about his own salvation after being the 'victim,' of his own sins.

Hallelujah, Brother!! Then he will jump to the persecutory part of the drama triangle that requires a brutal God who takes no prisoners. All of these dramatics resonate with rhe corresponding aspects of the follower's natures.

Contrast that with more moderate forms of Christianity, where the minister takes a back seat to the message he is preaching and emphasis is placed much more on what I would describe as the deep humanity of Christ. Christ's message of love and compassion, properly viewed, was meant to cancel out the Old Testament, entirely. Not parts of it...all of it.

[Chester]

This belief is a limiting one loxie foxie. We may not ´change' someone but we are always able to change the situation Which in turns changes the behavior of those involved and often jump starts an awakening in those who are truthful within, de bonne foi. Psychopaths will rarely change either because the way they are provides much rewards or because they can't due to their genetic make up

But we can change the setting, this is our responsibilities and an helping belief:bigsmile:

Bill and others did just that, changing the settings to a more empathetic and humane one


It is not possible to CHANGE other people....we can only present the facts as we know them & allow others to make their own decisions. The facts are now OUT THERE! It is a personal decision relative to where each individual is IN the drama as to how much energy one wishes to expend & for what purpose. :sun:

For what its worth... I understand both what you are saying here Flash but also what Foxie said too.

My take away is that true change comes from the individual and I believe that is what Foxie was saying. At the same time, we can certainly influence others and to varying degrees but this also opens up a can of worms... how far should someone go with regards to influencing others? That answer (IMO) is 100% subjective and also, in speaking only for myself, it all depends on each and every situation as to how far I would go. And this would also be effected by my own growth at the time a specific situation might arise.

So having said all the above, I lean to Foxie's statement (if I am interpreting it properly) - true change might actually and only come from the individual for it to be actual, true change. And if I am honoring another's sovereign rights, I may also need to respect that with the caveat being when that individual is harming others... again another very subjective consideration.

EDIT: I have reread all posts several times as I was concerned that perhaps my interpretation may be wrong and well... in reading yours again, Flash, I ssne you were saying the same thing I just said. So I can imagine that reading my post as written might be taken as disagreement when, (other than the part about psychopaths and genetics... where I take a different stand) all the rest I agree with - in fact, with regards to Corey I have been proactive in pushing things such that the mirror might be so bright and loud and clear that he and/or others around him, feel compelled to change (and in ways I would agree are for the better... if I actually know what that would be).

[Flash]

Who youlean for does not matter, there is no competition here and no leaning requirements, just open discussion. As for changing the settings, i am talking of settings, not of pushing onés influence, which is a take over others, but changing the environment, the settings, to allow for different views, inner feeling/thinking to emerge. Each one its choice to let it emerge or not



This belief is a limiting one loxie foxie. We may not ´change' someone but we are always able to change the situation Which in turns changes the behavior of those involved and often jump starts an awakening in those who are truthful within, de bonne foi. Psychopaths will rarely change either because the way they are provides much rewards or because they can't due to their genetic make up

But we can change the setting, this is our responsibilities and an helping belief:bigsmile:

Bill and others did just that, changing the settings to a more empathetic and humane one


It is not possible to CHANGE other people....we can only present the facts as we know them & allow others to make their own decisions. The facts are now OUT THERE! It is a personal decision relative to where each individual is IN the drama as to how much energy one wishes to expend & for what purpose. :sun:

For what its worth... I understand both what you are saying here Flash but also what Foxie said too.

My take away is that true change comes from the individual and I believe that is what Foxie was saying. At the same time, we can certainly influence others and to varying degrees but this also opens up a can of worms... how far should someone go with regards to influencing others? That answer (IMO) is 100% subjective and also, in speaking only for myself, it all depends on each and every situation as to how far I would go. And this would also be effected by my own growth at the time a specific situation might arise.

So having said all the above, I lean to Foxie's statement (if I am interpreting it properly) - true change might actually and only come from the individual for it to be actual, true change. And if I am honoring another's sovereign rights, I may also need to respect that with the caveat being when that individual is harming others... again another very subjective consideration.

[Flash]

Yes don't i agree profusely. And the Old testament ways with revenges and punishment while preaching love and dependency on saviors, while museling any opposition (in the old time killing it) exactly as Corey's actions and words have demonstrated lately


Interesting topic, Flash. The religious archetypes are super tricky. How does a fundamentalist Christian finesse a religion that requires kindness and the worst kinds of cruelty, at the same time,without going mad from cognitive dissonance?

It is because they have equipped the religion with a brutal Old Testament God AND a sacrificial lamb. The preacher will place himself on the drama triangle, in evangelical religions and yank his followers around with theatrics, often about his own salvation after being the 'victim,' of his own sins.

Hallelujah, Brother!! Then he will jump to the persecutory part of the drama triangle that requires a brutal God who takes no prisoners. All of these dramatics resonate with rhe corresponding aspects of the follower's natures.

Contrast that with more moderate forms of Christianity, where the minister takes a back seat to the message he is preaching and emphasis is placed much more on what I would describe as the deep humanity of Christ. Christ's message of love and compassion, properly viewed, was meant to cancel out the Old Testament, entirely. Not parts of it...all of it.

[RunningDeer]

life can be pretty unexciting without drama.
Musings:

Drama is an addiction and an invitation for the tricksters to mainline my life-juices for their survival. Those parasitic energetics, implants or technology are a ’no-go’.

Prima-donna ego is part of that finite tech of control. She got put on notice. I'm my own authority. We agree that drama free life brings clarity to this tick tock journey. Yes, she's snippy every now and again. A metaphorical swipe of the hand cancels all tantrums, pouts and whiney exploits.

What excites is discovery, knowledge and green-bagging illusionary beliefs.
What excites is Life with a capital L, a natural progression of consciousness.

And until I can flick off the sidekick, it's Cracker Jack surprises to appease prima-donna ego.

Disclaimer: I'm a work in progress.
......................http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/work-in-progress3.gif

♡

[skyefire777]

the PERSECUTOR-VICTIM-SAVIOR complex

Yes. This is called The Drama Triangle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle), developed by Steve Karpman (https://www.karpmandramatriangle.com/) in the 1960s. It's one of the many major tools of Transactional Analysis.

http://www.tacoach.hu/images/drama.jpg

Stepped into the way back machine..."I'm okay and you're okay... that's TA"...((transactional analysis)

[Foxie Loxie]

Aren't we all?! :sun: That seems to be what Avalon is about....allowing each of us to grow at our own rate; knowing that some are FAR ahead of us & that some are just beginning the Journey! It is so wonderful to just be able to LEARN new things & continue to grow, each in our own way! I just regret that my Journey started so late in life!! :Party:

[Bill Ryan]

I highly recommend this video, from Joe from the Carolinas.

He's basically a farmer, and makes videos about organic gardening. But Joe went way off-topic here to answer someone's question about Corey et al. He knew little about the entire subject, but did some digging and then made this quite wonderful and very acute summary.

Smart guy... I got to be impressed. Enjoy. :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykj3BgDPcwM


Bill, I sent Joe from the Carolinas an invitation to join Project Avalon through his gmail and YouTube accounts, and a link to your post here.

Paula, in his latest video (below, about Andrew Basiago), at 3:50 he refers to you and your invitation to him to join Avalon as a member — saying he very much appreciated it, but he'd have to give up some of his privacy.

Do please tell him that he doesn't have to give up any privacy at all... we'll fast-track him straight in. His videos are his application. :)

We can create an account for him straight away, and all we need is a real e-mail address. (And he's more than welcome to post extensively here about organic gardening, too. :flower: )

Here's his new video: :thumbsup:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYhrFvRu0bE&t=0s

[RunningDeer]

UPDATE: O MY GOSH...I was so busy putting this video together that I didn't realize you had already posted it. (Or....you can see how long it takes for me to put together posts. :facepalm:) I'll email Joe back. FYI: Joe was kind enough to pass along a personal thanks several days ago.

UPDATE #2: I sent off an email with your invitation and the link to your post.


I highly recommend this video, from Joe from the Carolinas.

He's basically a farmer, and makes videos about organic gardening. But Joe went way off-topic here to answer someone's question about Corey et al. He knew little about the entire subject, but did some digging and then made this quite wonderful and very acute summary.

Smart guy... I got to be impressed. Enjoy. :)
3:30ish minutes into the video is a surprise :blushing: follow-up thanks and appreciation for what the folks at Project Avalon http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/gossip-4.gif are doing from Joe from the Carolinas (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGSmpodHNxrv27S366OS00A/videos). Detailed video. Nicely done.


Thoughts on Andrew Basiago, Time Travel, Teleportation, Life on Mars, Aliens, Chronovisor
nYhrFvRu0bE

Published on Jul 22, 2017

In this video I provide a mix of Sci-Fi & Stir-Fry!

An opinion-based analysis of andrew basiago's reports of his personal experiences of time travel, teleportation, life on mars, and mars anomalies. I also splash in a little organic food to taste.

My analysis is only my personal opinion, based on information observed and stated in the following sources:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykj3BgDPcwM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlUNImaBIxs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ins1TwPodmk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdMUg6RCTYE

Look up NASA Mars Rover photos PIA 10214 & PIA 11049, both of which Mr. Basiago references in his talks.

[Debra]

Corey strikes back. Latest interview with Divine Frequency. A long one - only just started watching .. but he starts defending his side of the story and reputation very early within the first 5 mins and reinforces that he is only speaking with Teresa because she represents true journalistic integrity :bigsmile: and the rest of us ... well of course we are categorised under tabloid, deep state operatives .. and just haters.

He does emphasise that his book coming out will have forewords by Jay Weidner, Michael Salla and also David Wilcock.

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[Harley]

Bill/Staff,

Starting approx. 9:00:


Project Avalon was formulating this huge take-down plan, and that they were going to execute it at Contact In The Desert.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0HCGmSKpV4?t=547

[Bill Ryan]

Project Avalon was formulating this huge take-down plan, and that they were going to execute it at Contact In The Desert.

Well, if that's true, 'Project Avalon' certainly never told me about that! :)

[Harley]

I wasn't questioning, Bill. Just making sure you were aware of what they're doing.

This is some sleazy crap they're pulling off here.

Yes, I'm PISSED!

[Mike]

Project Avalon was formulating this huge take-down plan, and that they were going to execute it at Contact In The Desert.

Well, if that's true, 'Project Avalon' certainly never told me about that! :)



Me neither. I'm feeling left out.

[Innocent Warrior]

Don't let it get to you. Expect Corey to lie and then you just feel bored with it.

[Ultima Thule]

From the beginning of the video: he not only did 20-and-back once, but three times - serving sixty years. Was this established already?

UT

[Flash]

From the beginning of the video: he not only did 20-and-back once, but three times - serving sixty years. Was this established already?

UT

no, brand new lie - soon he will be eternal in this body of his. It was certainly only 20 years once when he was on this forum, it was 20 years only.

[Shadowself]

Did I hear him in that video saying he got blackballed by the IT industry and it's Avalon's fault? Did I hear that clearly? That "coming out" as a whistle blower did that?

[Wind]

Ah, so now Goode and Shillcock are having security guards with them in the conferences thanks to having threats from... Project Avalon?

Dear Lord... :facepalm:

[RunningDeer]

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/scratch-thinker.gif 57:47 - elephant in the room #2 - Outed to the public and criticized for going public by the same noisy minority. Just about everyone that’s attacked him has a membership at Avalon. Then he goes back to noisy minority to Avalon gang stalkers.


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/unborn.jpg


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