The Truth about Corey Goode

[Bill Ryan]

I've copied this over to start a new thread, from the original post on 3 April, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96929-Kerry-Cassidy-Regarding-Protecting-Confidentiality&p=1144378&viewfull=1#post1144378), which had been in a members only section.

Although this compilation — the first time I've put all this together in one post — is over three weeks old, the motivation to make this public was a recent Facebook statement by Randy Maugans, which I'll copy in the next post below, in full.

My appreciation to Randy for speaking out so strongly. (And my apologies to him for initially mis-spelling his name: I once had a good friend called Phil Maughan. :) ) There's not a word that Randy wrote which I disagree with.

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Here's some information. It's far from complete, but it presents a sample of some of the problems.

(By the way, the last time I conferred with Kerry Cassidy about this, she told me that she fully shares the view that Corey is compromised and is an unreliable witness. Or else, of course, she'd have interviewed him by now.)

Corey first came to our attention as a problem before Christine Anderson’s 2014 interview with him was published. He’d been active behind the scenes (by invitation) in investigating the Jesse Ames affair (http://projectavalon.net/Project_Avalon_Newsletter_2_23_November_2014.pdf).

He sent some messages in the middle of the night, that he denied any knowledge of. Our very strong (unproven) suspicion was that he had indeed sent them, but had done so in an altered or split-minded state, and in the morning had no memory of what he’d done, though everything was there on his own computer and that of another person.

Ilie Pandia (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?998-Ilie-Pandia) (who, like Paul (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?2030-Paul), knows a LOT of technical, geeky stuff about computers and the net) then looked closely at some of his statements, and raised a flag that there was absolutely NO WAY he was an 'IT expert’ as he had claimed. That simply wasn’t true.

This was the first time we’d realized there was a definite, proven, problem, and that Corey had been lying about his expertise. (Claims about expertise can of course only be refuted by someone who really is an expert.)

Christine’s Sept-Oct 2014 interview with Corey was largely unplanned: she had a dictaphone in her pocket when she went to visit him at his home, and took the opportunity to record their sporadic conversation (with his full permission, on two separate days). Christine had been intrigued by Corey for a while, and had previously recommended him to be an Avalon Moderator (an idea which the other mods had all rejected).

The recorded audio took a great deal of editing, to make the published version a lot more coherent than the original really was. There were many long pauses, hesitations, ramblings, and stumblings. Corey stated that he was on quite heavy pain medication, was on disability, had problems with his memory, and had not been working for quite a while. (He lied about this later, publicly claiming that he’d been earning a ‘six figure income’. This was a flat-out falsehood.) I have all the original raw audio archived.

All this time, he’d been continuing to make valid and interesting contributions to the forum. It seemed as if he might know something, somehow, but by the time we reached December 2014 it was clear that he was damaged or compromised in some way.

Further problems appeared that same month, when it became known that Corey was ‘counseling’ over 30 Milabs (military abductees), despite being quite unqualified to do anything of the sort. The forum has a duty of protection, as Milabs are real people with often real and very serious problems, that need the most expert help.

We didn’t know who all these people were, as Corey was doing this behind the scenes using the forum as a kind of catchment area. We received a report from one person (a current forum member) who’d been shocked, appalled and angered that Corey had totally (and sensationally) misrepresented her story to myself. That’s all documented, also.

His wife Stacy then joined the forum, with username SilverPhoenix. All her posts can be searched for. For reasons unknown, she made an incorrect statement in a forum post that I’d been a member of the Church of Scientology: she cited the wrong ‘Bill Ryan’ in her ‘research’ — an American, an older person, and certainly not myself.

I edited her post to correct it — quite mildly — but as circumstance would have it, I was already late for an appointment and had to leave before I could PM her to let her know why I’d made the edit. I returned 4 hours later to find that all hell had broken loose, and that she was protesting she’d been ‘censored’.

Corey took her side in the ensuing fracas, while Stacy continued to vent, very much out of control. In one of her several very long posts she revealed that Corey had been in extensive contact with higher authorities — one of whom was a ‘senior member of the Church of Scientology’, which might raise an eyebrow or two — to assemble a ‘dossier’ on me and one other unnamed person that extended to over 70 pages. All this can be read in detail on this thread:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78030-Posts-Censored-and-Removed-because-of-Entity-and-Scientology-References

(Very possibly connected with this, Corey had a couple months earlier been granted security access to the FBI database, and could use this to check up on any person he wanted — something he Skyped to me in person.)

The ensuing firefight, all of which was instigated by Stacy and Corey, resulted in Stacy being unsubscribed, at which point Corey left of his own accord. He was never banned from the forum.

What happened after that was that Corey opened a blog page, now taken down by him (but all of which has been archived), which was brimming with falsehoods and a deliberate, concerted attempt to smear Avalon publicly.

Coincidentally with that, he was now talking with David Wilcock, recounting a suddenly highly polished, enhanced and embellished version of the hesitant and fragmented story he’d told Christine. I wrote to David to warn him of the documented history, but he was not interested. (Kerry also tried to warn David, but that, too, was not heeded.)

I have correspondence from one person who claimed to be intel-connected (this is unproven, and there are reasons to doubt this, which is entirely another story) that Corey had, in January 2015, been recorded under surveillance, without his knowledge or permission, and had been planning with Stacy, in their home, what story to invent to tell David Wilcock. (His webcam and computer audio had been remotely activated, something we all now know is simple for the agencies to do.)

Again, this is unproven, but the claim was credible. It seemed that Corey was seeking stardom (he needed the money, very urgently), and that while the intel agencies knew exactly what was happening — they often do, of course — they were quietly sanctioning all this, as it played right into their agenda.

It seems quite possible that Corey had NOT been instructed to go public with invented or embellished stories, but that when he did, he received full, passive ‘support’. (Or — the entire roll-out of events might have been pre-programmed, just like setting up the cycle on a washing machine. This can be done, too.)

The same person who reported the existence of the surveillance video shared a screenshot of a Skype text chat with Corey, in which Corey confirmed that he was ‘now on the pay roll’, and referred to 'a superior'. What exactly that means is quite an interesting question.

http://projectavalon.net/Corey_Goode_payroll_screenshot.gif

Even though this summary is a long one, there’s not nearly enough room here to dissect his claims about the Secret Space Program, the ‘Blue Avians’, how he was a kind of selected special envoy to major multilateral United-Nations-style ET meetings, the 100 Jupiter-sized spheres that he claimed were in the Solar system (of course invisible, and undetectable by any known means), and ridiculous extremes like the Hollow Earth.

Even his claim to have been age-regressed and memory-wiped was a direct copy-and-paste of the extraordinary (but plausible and well-documented) claim by Michael Relfe (http://themarsrecords.com) from a decade and a half earlier.

As I've explained previously, if he’d really had the experiences he claimed, he’d never be allowed to talk. (Kerry and I were told that genuine Camelot whistleblower Henry Deacon (real name Arthur Neumann), after his impromptu public statement on stage with Bob Dean at the July 2009 Barcelona Exopolitics Conference that he had been to Mars, “would never be allowed to talk about that again”: a prediction, or a warning, that appears to have been very accurate.)

As I’ve also mentioned elsewhere, one might imagine the possibility of Ed Snowden having his own show on Gaia. It'd never happen: he’d be marched away in handcuffs within hours of appearing at the studio. :)

The extremely strong likelihood is that Corey is, as they say, ‘damaged goods’. (As Richard Dolan said (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93650-Secret-Space-Program-Credibility&p=1143518&viewfull=1#post1143518) to Jimmy Church, rather in exasperation: “I think that there's something desperately wrong with some of these individuals who come out as so-called whistleblowers. There's something not right about them.”)

The same is very likely to be true of many claimed whistleblowers, of course, notably quite a few that have been showcased on Miles Johnston’s ‘Bases’ series, but also elsewhere. Some are allowed to talk (i.e. they’re not stopped or punished), but the agencies know full-well that they’re already compromised with implanted false memories, so the result is opportunistically convenient public disinformation.

People who really tell the exact truth about highly sensitive material are usually silenced pretty quickly — somehow. In 2008, I lost a good friend, who spoke out. His name was Jon Danner. One of the nicest people on God's Earth.

Jon had recorded a short audio message that Kerry and I played at a conference, announcing that he was planning to 'come out' to tell his astonishing true story (http://projectcamelot.org/mr_x.html) live, in person, over the coming months.

He was in perfect health, but collapsed and died three weeks later, while Christmas shopping with his family.

http://projectavalon.net/Jon_Danner.jpg

Jon's grieving wife said this to me in a phone call: He didn't want to be famous, he didn't want money. He just wanted to help everyone.

Anyone who is still of value to the agencies or the military, and is a valuable functioning asset as part of a classified program, would never be allowed to go public. With one or two possible exceptions among those who have ever claimed anything of note, it’s only the malfunctioning former insiders who have ever said their piece and lived to tell the tale.

That doesn’t mean those people aren’t genuine: it just means that their testimony may well be flawed.

To reference one of the final scenes from the first Jason Bourne movie, when Bourne tracks down his former handler and demands to know who he really is, he’s told:



“You’re US government property. You’re a malfunctioning 30 million dollar weapon. You're a total goddamn catastrophe, and by God, if it kills me, you're going to tell me how this happened."
There’s a great deal of truth in those lines.

Does this mean that there may be grains of truth in some of Corey’s claims? Yes, of course that’s possible. But the point is that, as with all disinformation (= part truth, part falsehood), the unsavory mix is almost valueless for research purposes, and its intention is always to confuse and muddy the waters, until no-one can see where they’re going any more.

Disinformation is one of the agencies’ most useful weapons, it’s pretty clever, and it almost always works to plan. (That's why there's such a lot of it!)

Some of Corey’s claims may be founded in fact (the Secret Space Program is a reality, of course, and there are good reasons to believe it’s really very advanced), some of his claims may be consciously fictionalized (there are strong reasons to suspect this), and yet some other details may well be implants. (Meaning, overlaid pseudo-realities injected under pain of hypnosis, electronics, and/or drugs.)

The reality may be a mix of those three. One piece of data, to be analyzed in any way by anyone who cares to, is Corey’s post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=485675#post485675), in which he 'doesn't buy' the idea that he was ever a Milab. (He changed his mind, later. Or, maybe, his 'mind was changed', as it were.)

* Omnisense already posted this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=1143753&viewfull=1#post1143753) and quite a bit else, but what he contributed appears to have been overlooked.

An asset who’s more ideal still is someone who’s presenting disinformation, but is totally sincere and believes everything they’re saying. Andy Basiago is a perfect example, but this, too, is another story. This does not seem to be the case with Corey. It’s known and documented that he’s well-capable of conscious deceit…. and the only question, really, is where that stops.

For all these reasons, and quite a few more, the Avalon moderators (and almost everyone who’s been following this saga closely) cannot support Corey's claims or in any way hold them of value.

There are reasons why the 2014-2015 Secret Space Program Conference organizers didn’t invite him or any other claimed whistleblowers to present their story. Their stance, which they explained publicly, is that whistleblowers simply can't be relied on, wholesale, to provide reliable information. (In passing, they also revealed that Corey had tried to organize many of his followers to lobby on his behalf for him to be a speaker.)

Their stated position was that the safest way through the morass of misinformation and disinformation was to support serious document research — an approach which Joseph Farrell and Catherine Austin Fitts endorse very strongly — rather than wild, unverifiable, uncorroborated testimony and rumor, which is currently proliferating everywhere and is of little or no serious research value.

My intention to make all this clear mirrors Richard Dolan's own exasperation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93650-Secret-Space-Program-Credibility&p=1143518&viewfull=1#post1143518), that so many people are taken in by this and other similar claims that are benefiting no-one except those who (a) want to deceive us, and (b) want to cause friction and factionalization in the alt community.

I'm no-one's enemy here. But, I am a friend of the truth. (And, fully on record, so is Kerry Cassidy. As best I know, she agrees with everything I've stated here, though some of the details of Corey's earlier interaction with the Avalon community she may not be fully aware of.)

[Bill Ryan]

Randy Maugans posted this on Facebook on 18 April, a few days ago:


https://facebook.com/randy.maugans/posts/1762961757054038

All the comments are worth reading.

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THIS IS THE IMAGE OF A CULT...THE ALT-MEDIA AND "UFO" SCENE IS NOW FULLY CO-OPTED.

https://scontent.fuio1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p370x247/18033268_1762948903721990_7646887769519778609_n.jpg?oh=b30025867ba5d7bfa1b7a975d61c81de&oe=5988C3D0

A VERY dangerous deception is being weaved before our eyes.

I spent some time today looking through Corey Goode's recent materials. To say I was stunned, and horrified, is an understatement. The Sphere Alliance, which Goode is now building a new website for, has all the trappings (and I use that word in all manners possible) of an emergent cult of ET influence that borders on sinister, even demonic. I will have more to say in some articles and videos upcoming. For now:

IF YOU ARE PLANNING TO GO TO "CONTACT IN THE DESERT":
My first advice is---DON'T.

If you must---better go shielded, and with the understanding that Goode is being promoted by forces that do NOT have your best interests at heart.

What I sense is that some "event" may be coming where the "Spheres/Orbs" (Blue Avians) will run a disclosure scenario that is the Mother of all deceptions (MOAD). This may be a mass abduction scenario---just my impressions, for what it's worth.

The energies at Joshua Tree are dark and potent. Most of the people appearing there are, at best, just merchants of woo-woo---some are paid intelligence operatives, and some others are predators of a high and decidedly non-human order.

It is obvious that Corey Goode is taken over---his demeanor, the incredible fantasies he is weaving, and the level at which he is being financed are RED FLAGS ON THE FIELD for all who have perception. His use of CGI in videos, on the coming websites, and in his talks are Hollywood slick---this is not the work of a few casual hobbyists.

I have been warning about this deception since I began OffPlanet Radio in 2010. We are now in the time of Great Deception on every level. The threat from Goode and his Sphere Alliance (Blue Avians) is both an intelligence operation, and a supernatural deception that can infect at the astral level.

I cannot warn you strongly enough to shield up and back away from this emerging cult.

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Randy followed up here:


https://facebook.com/randy.maugans/posts/1765343406815873 (https://facebook.com/randy.maugans/posts/1765343406815873)

I'm going to pull in my horns a few days. Dry the powder.

The niggling and gaslighting continues on the Corey Goode post. I am not backing down on this. I have support from a few other alt-media people who are tired of this cult bullsh*t and the intelligence agency storefronts running media properties and assets. It is YOUR media that is at risk.

They already ran the "Fake News" psy-op, they are drying up YouTube and Twitter. and I am one complaint away from likely being bitch-slapped here on Facebook. Most people will not wake up. The ones that have begun need incubation, not coddling. They need clear choices about the information they get. They are free to choose. So are we.

[TargeT]

I always remember this ironic gem from the goode.... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74972-Don-t-Feed-The-Narcissistic-Psychopathic-and-Sadistic-TROLL-S---&highlight=TargeT)

good discernment lesson

[Octavusprime]

It should be noted that "Gaia" is all over facebook. It always comes up as a suggested page for me. Gaia.tv pushes alot of Wilcox and Corey. Random people I'm friends with on facebook "like" it. So it is being very well funded and pushed hard on social media.

[white wizard]

David wilcock said Corey's info is very similar to other Insiders he works with. I have seen the triangle ships he talks about on two random occasions flying in NY. I think there is a secret space program, because of what I've personally seen. How much of Corey's info is correct is anyone's guess but I like to keep an open mind.

[Bill Ryan]

How much of Corey's info is correct is anyone's guess

No, not really 'anyone's guess'. One has to be just a little smarter than that. We're all capable of analyzing information.

To show us how to be smart (and how to analyze information like this), here's Richard Dolan (from this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93650-Secret-Space-Program-Credibility&p=1146654&highlight=richard+dolan#post1146654))

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Here's an interesting section from Richard Dolan's outstanding recent Australian presentation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTzFVOVioR4) — which I cannot recommend too highly. At 2:19:48, Richard gives his opinion about secret space program whistleblowers.

Transcript:




I guess I’ll take this minute to comment on some of the claims that many people who have been self-described whistleblowers have had to say about a secret space program.

And I'm not here to say that every one of them is fictitious, but when I like to talk about a secret space program I try to limit my comments to what I think is defensible.

So there have been legitimate whistleblowers in the past, in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, and there are others even more recently who I think have had legitimate things to say. All of those individuals are people whose backgrounds I can confirm. People like Karl Wolfe, people like Donna Hare, who were at NASA and Wright Pat[terson] back in the 60s and 70s. I know who they are.

There are people more recently who claim they’ve gone to Mars, who have had encounters with different types of creatures on Mars, none of which is even remotely confirmable in my opinion. And the fact that they corroborate each other means nothing to me. Not a thing.

I mean, if you wanted to lay waste to this field, it'd take you 6 months to get up to speed on the lore that’s out there, and then you could come up with a very detailed story and go to the first person willing to video you, and you, too, could be a whistleblower.

And you could then devise impossibly unprovable types of evidence that make it very convenient, that, you know, simply can’t be proven. And without giving away any true science. So, no, I don’t think that this is helpful.

And the only other thing I would add is that if I were running a secret space program, and I did not want the rest of the world to know about it, I would very likely create my own form of disinformation about this, and I would look for people who would be willing to say truly outrageous things, (a) to cause the mainstream skeptical world to just dismiss the whole thing, and (b) to cause the whole enormous group of researchers who take this seriously to go into dead ends.

And I believe this is exactly what HAS happened.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTzFVOVioR4

[jake gittes]

Good info, Bill. Thanks. I always thought the whole "Blue Avian" thing was a big joke being played on whomever would fall for it. My guess was they borrowed from the Monty Python dead parrot sketch.

Norwegian Blues stun easily..

[SilentFeathers]

It should be noted that "Gaia" is all over facebook. It always comes up as a suggested page for me. Gaia.tv pushes alot of Wilcox and Corey. Random people I'm friends with on facebook "like" it. So it is being very well funded and pushed hard on social media.

This is a red flag in and of itself in my opinion....

(I've noticed gaia.tv in my FB feed also)

[Bill Ryan]

It should be noted that "Gaia" is all over facebook. It always comes up as a suggested page for me. Gaia.tv pushes alot of Wilcox and Corey. Random people I'm friends with on facebook "like" it. So it is being very well funded and pushed hard on social media.

This is a red flag in and of itself in my opinion....

(I've noticed gaia.tv in my FB feed also)

Yes. This is being promoted and pushed.

From this interesting page:


https://hubpages.com/education/Whistleblowers-And-Insiders-Reveal-The-Veracity-of-Secret-Space-Programs

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Celebrity Status

Based on my extensive research into this article 'Whistleblowers And Insiders Reveal The Veracity of Secret Space Programs', no whistleblowers I know of have ever been offered their own TV Show. In fact most are either in prison, have fled to other countries, gone into hiding, or are dead. Corey Goode may be the first whistleblower ever to gain financial freedom, celebrity status and his own TV Show, while supposedly exposing the crimes of the SSP to the public. Truly an amazing accomplishment!

[mojo]

And you could then devise impossibly unprovable types of evidence that make it very convenient, that, you know, simply can’t be proven

thank you for sharing that quote as Richard echoed the sentiments of many members here and elsewhere that Corey submit anything to help authenticate but in all the run-up after he never submitted anything. That was proof enough for many. Goode's blue avian story was after contactee Bonnie Meyer's own personal sighting which she wrote about and discussed about meeting a large intelligent 6 foot blue bird/avian so it was strange he didn't know of her, as anyone meeting a large blue bird you would expect him to know of it.

[CurEus]

I had expected as much about Corey for quite some time and could never really process his material properly. He reminds me of Simon Parks for some reason. I thought it to be somewhat self evident just before he and David Wilcox released their Antarctic series that something odd was occurring . David has contributed in many ways to alternative investigations and my awakening a decade ago and was hoping he was not going to repeat his odd affinity and endorsement of Benjamin Fulford a while back. I sincerely hope that none of them are being manipulated or in some way coerced into continually producing unverifiable, fantastic and quite frankly, distracting claims. Little of what any of them have asserted has born much fruit in my limited time observing and listening to their pronouncements. As I've said before I do not resonate well with Japanese Dragon Yakuza Families saving the economy, blue bird people that only one other person has ever purportedly encountered saving the solar system, or preying mantis alien parents that "make" people do "bad things"...... or the Iraqi Dinar currency reset. In these as in many areas I have no ability to personally experience I prefer academic, scientific, or high level journalistic inquiry to ferret out details and I look to Bill, Joseph Ferell, Graham Hancock, Kathryn Austin Fitts, Timothy Good, Carmen Boulter and Linda Moulton Howe and some select other researchers that focus on details and facts without embellishing them or creating cults of personality. Most "whistlblowers" seem to pop in, tell their story and leave.

[SilentFeathers]

It should be noted that "Gaia" is all over facebook. It always comes up as a suggested page for me. Gaia.tv pushes alot of Wilcox and Corey. Random people I'm friends with on facebook "like" it. So it is being very well funded and pushed hard on social media.

This is a red flag in and of itself in my opinion....

(I've noticed gaia.tv in my FB feed also)

Yes. This is being promoted and pushed.

From this interesting page:


https://hubpages.com/education/Whistleblowers-And-Insiders-Reveal-The-Veracity-of-Secret-Space-Programs

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Celebrity Status

Based on my extensive research into this article Whistleblowers And Insiders Reveal The Veracity of Secret Space Programs, no whistleblowers I know of has ever been offered their own TV Show. In fact most are either in prison, have fled to other countries, gone into hiding or are dead. Corey Goode may be the first whistleblower ever to gain financial freedom, celebrity status and his own TV Show, while supposedly exposing the crimes of the SSP to the public. Truly an amazing accomplishment!

It really makes one wonder about David too....they probably get weekly checks signed by "John Doe".

[Ultima Thule]

I wonder - was the first few years into Heavens Gate -movement much different from Blue Avians? If one buys into it, supposedly one argues that it is completely different and not a cult at all.

It might be different, but then again it might not - one person in both cases holds the power over many, claiming to possess information about et-presence that will help out. Will Corey at some point ask people to take a leap of faith on his says so - he might and many would propably take the leap. Will it be mass suicide, perhaps not, but it may well be mass illusion and ruining of reputation and thus self-esteem. When too deep into being conned, one might not see a way out. This kind of power should not be given away to one other individual.

UT

[Chester]

Boy do I have some stories to tell...

but in my struggle between the falling angel and the rising ape within me... the little voice says "best to keep it all to yourself, Sam."

[SilentFeathers]

Boy do I have some stories to tell...

but in my struggle between the falling angel and the rising ape within me... the little voice says "best to keep it all to yourself, Sam."

We've sure heard some wild ones here on Avalon over the years huh?
I tossed Corey in the Drake and Sorcha file years back, I didn't believe him then and not even all that interested in what he is now claiming lately. If he's hanging with Wilcock, well, he's an apprentice with a master!
I accidentally started watching a youtube interview and Corey was on it and about 5 minutes of his BS I had to find something else.....there's just something about him that is way to obviously fake to me about him.

[Shadowself]

Further problems appeared that same month, when it became known that Corey was ‘counseling’ over 30 Milabs (military abductees), despite being quite unqualified to do anything of the sort. The forum has a duty of protection, as Milabs are real people with often real and very serious problems, that need the most expert help.

We didn’t know who all these people were, as Corey was doing this behind the scenes using the forum as a kind of catchment area. We received a report from one person (a current forum member) who’d been shocked, appalled and angered that Corey had totally (and sensationally) misrepresented her story to myself. That’s all documented, also.





Hi Bill,

Long time. I think you might be speaking of me in that highlighted section and you have my permission to post that if you should choose to. I was indeed shocked, appalled and angered because I never said anything of the kind!

Yes I have a story...but I CANNOT tell it Bill as you well know. While I've shared some details with you and a few I've also left out great details with you as well... I value my life and the lives of my family and cannot be so irresponsible as to put those I love in jeopardy. I cannot tell it. I've seen what happens.

To believe what this guy is telling you as so off the cuff is laughable. I'm sorry to be so blunt but he, and I guess David as well; are either clueless or just plain devious to the degree that they suppose those who actually have been through ordeals of a nature they suggest are sitting here wondering if we'll ever get a break and take this stuff seriously. There is nothing serious in this endeavour of theirs and it belittles the lives of those who have actual experience in these kind of things.

People like myself and others want the damned truth to come out. Not some fantasy story some guy makes up which is exactly what he has done. Certainly not fame or my name on a damned mug!

So yes...show the folks (if you still have it) what he said to you about me which was a damned lie. People need to know what a liar he is.

I saw that facebook post by Randy Maughans a few days ago and said finally!

David and Corey are doing real damage for anybody that wants the truth to come out. A cult is a good description for what they've got going on and I support his (Randy Maughans) efforts and yours for sticking with telling the truth about this complete sham.

Best regards,
Brook

[ScorpION]

I was really taken back to see David go along with such a tale when it all first started!
Between that and his accient aliens business,he lost credibility long ago in my book...
If they are talking truth....they are silenced! Goode' story has more holes than a dozen donuts!
And I don't think he is implanted with anything...js

[Omni]

Here is a little bit of my own story with Corey Goode taken from (an edited) private conversation of mine:


we were both members of project avalon. some closely involved said he spent like 2 (ish) years to infiltrate avalons interviewers to interview him. after that interview he blew up with Wilcock. i was one of the only people on avalon opposing his disinformation at the time. Corey Goode said in his project avalon interview someone on the forum is infected with a sentient sovereign alien world destroying AI (How absurd). He outed me as that person later on the forum resulting in slander and discrediting amongst the sheepish flocks who believed him.

After that he went on a slander campaign against me. Going to several websites posting lies about me and bull**** that is wrong(like i emailed him some pathetic crazy email).

I could detect his deception from the start... Knew he was compromised from the beginning, all I needed to confirm that is his disinformation about artificial intelligence.

[Ewan]

I saw a few years ago that David Wilcox believed he might be a reincarnated Edgar Cayce, concluded initially from facial similarities I think.

I also recall thinking of the phrase, "One step forward, two steps back".

The thing is his early work re synchronicities seemed completely on the level which leads to conclude that he was corrupted by something. Is everyone ultimatley corruptible? I like to think I'm beyond corruption, I value truth and honesty too highly to compromise, even for the sake of my life - and, it has to be said, even my families - though that would be a tortuous decision to be sure. I suppose a lot would depend on how much you believe in this thing we call life.

Like the guy in The Matrix that sold out, he didn't want to remember a thing because it would be a difficult cross to bear. The easiest way to be burden free is to be honest. (edit: or completely lack a conscience, which I suppose is how so many of 'them' sleep easy).

[Innocent Warrior]

Seems like Wilcock has always been running a confidence scheme. He seems even more cultish than Goode to me, I've never liked him though.

[Phoenix1304]

My 2 cents for what it's worth. Wilcock's ego is out of control and he so desperately wanted Goode to be for real and to cash in on 'scoops' for his money-making enterprises that discernment went out the window, though fundamentally his heart's in the right place, I believe. Unfettered egos are easy targets for the unscrupulous in this business.

Goode however is a cynic, jaundiced by decades of ufo research like the rest of us, maybe got suckered in himself a few times, disappointed with the likes of Simon and perhaps encouraged by the likes of Charles? despair and financial desperation tipped him over the edge and he joined PT Barnum's crew of snake oil salesman that believe 'there's a sucker born every minute' and better screw them before you get had again. All very sad really and quite disgusting. Just about any one of us could do this with the 'lore' we've accumulated over the years, write a narrative and present ourselves as a whistleblower, or emissary from the Galactic Federation, but while decent people wouldn't dream of it, there always some scumbag that will. Muddying the already opaque waters we're trying to clear.

I was appalled when I looked at his website, in your face insulting and I will never cease to be amazed by the number of people willing to believe fantastic tales without a shred of evidence. Barnum may be correct about the limited intelligence of great swathes of humanity, but it is not intelligent to shaft them out of their hard earned slave wages, just cruel, cowardly, cynical and nasty. The liars and cheats will learn that karma's a bitch if you are, and sadly the well meaning Wilcock's are collateral damage that will not be spared because they had no ill intent, blinded by ego they will eventually experience the most painful humiliation.

Whether or not either of them are now being used by the bad boys to further their agendas is not really of much import to me as neither of them garner my attention for long. I still enjoy reading Fulford's rantings strangely enough, but if I never hear the words 'sources say' again it will be too soon. Undisclosed sources and insiders. Yawn.

But we're getting there. Looking forward to the WikiTribune...an attempt to circumvent fake news. Avalon is doing a good job of outing the fake alt news whilst still allowing a respectful space for those with fantastic claims to be heard, the ensuing analysis that comes from the membership has inestimable value. Thank you Bill and all.

[Sequoia]

Beware of Gaia/Gaiam tv/com fake "love and light", fake "intel" and, take-over attempt over all ufology in alt media! the deep pockets of the crazy, with nothing but actors promoting the globalist agenda!!

[norman]

The gloves need to come off about everything in the truthersphere. Years of additive synthesis have made it into nearly white noise.

On David Wilcock, his security protocol is pathetically weak, even if he's still a genuine bloke being fooled. His method has been to collect info from several so called white hat insiders and keep bits of it to himself to use as validation keys for new 'leakers'. How simple is that to hack ? I'll leave it to your imagination.

I looked for the old Charles threads a few weeks ago but couldn't find them. I wanted to confirm true of not whether Corey was singled out by Charles. Anyway, I only have a vague memory of the lists of questions we as a group asked Charles. I'd like to know how many of the topics in the questions fit with the topics of the Corey Goode story now a few years later. I think I can remember a few matches. I hope I don't have to explain at great length my thinking here.

[Gaia]

Many traps have been set on the path of human civilization, for those who would still manage to get out of the water and understand the immense imposture and manipulation of which they were victims: Religions are at the head of the race Followed closely by the New Age, mixing many truths with very many lies and false leads, to lose those who begin to understand and send them in ways deviating them from their true liberation, engulfing them in others beliefs and plunging them into denial in other ways.

My 2 cents on this subject, there is no difference between an "unconscious / ignorant" human (and this is said without any form of judgment) and a human being thought to be "awake" but always in denial of everything he believes to be "negative" and that we've got with Goode and Wilcox.

[Bill Ryan]

Please, folks, stick to topic and don't dilute the thread (including with jokes about 'Blue Avians', either)... this is a public thread, and contains important on-record documentary information. THX. :thumbsup:

It's important to maintain balance in all things, and everyone who knows me knows that I have a keen sense of humor ... but this is serious stuff for us all, and we're not having a party here. I've deleted several posts which I think/feel are off-topic... the posts were all well-intended, and zero disrespect is meant for anyone here.

:focus:

[Gaia]

The gloves need to come off about everything in the truthersphere. Years of additive synthesis have made it into nearly white noise.

On David Wilcock, his security protocol is pathetically weak, even if he's still a genuine bloke being fooled. His method has been to collect info from several so called white hat insiders and keep bits of it to himself to use as validation keys for new 'leakers'. How simple is that to hack ? I'll leave it to your imagination.

I looked for the old Charles threads a few weeks ago but couldn't find them. I wanted to confirm true of not whether Corey was singled out by Charles. Anyway, I only have a vague memory of the lists of questions we as a group asked Charles. I'd like to know how many of the topics in the questions fit with the topics of the Corey Goode story now a few years later. I think I can remember a few matches. I hope I don't have to explain at great length my thinking here.

Maybe my friend we have found similarities in the words and motivations of the intelligence behind this speech. Sometimes the intonations or the chosen words
from them favor this rapprochement between Charles and Corey. I remember at the time of Charles how much I fled and avoided every posts from this man. And I had the same effect by reading a few posts from Corey. It is possibly a matter of positive vibration versus negative vibration and we knew it because there was a few matches.

[OMG]

We all have a tendency to proliferate things that we don’t know is actually true. I’m guilty of it myself.

I see numerous problems with what Bill has written that we are left to either “believe” or discern with limited insight. But frankly don’t want to take the time to dissect.

NOTE: I somehow misread that Stacy was Bill's ex...NOT sure why I read that wrong...sorry folks!

So I will give another example of a problem...
"if he’d really had the experiences he claimed, he’d never be allowed to talk." William Tompkins is allowed to talk.

In short, I think Goode and Thompkins can be explained as operatives (consciously or unconsciously) that work or are pawns for the so-called secret Gov. So what is their agenda here?

:confused:




Clarifying edit from Bill: Stacy (SilverPhoenix) is Corey's wife. This post makes very little sense. If you have questions about aspects of the history which appear unclear, please just ask.... THX.

[Foxie Loxie]

Sooooo glad I never even got into it! :bigsmile:

[TargeT]

In short, I think Goode and Thompkins can be explained as operatives (consciously or unconsciously) that work or are pawns for the so-called secret Gov. So what is their agenda here?

:confused:

misdirection, distraction, energy theft, character assassination (set up, at minimum) and eventually marginalization via logical fallacy and over simplification ("conspiracy theorist", "crackpot", "Liberal", "Conservative", "black", "white", etc..)

[DNA]

What is David Wilcock's view of this information and what is HIS information, experiences and story that compels him to side with Corey to this day?

:sherlock:


I think David fell head over heels in love with Corey's story when he made the RA Bird Man connection with Corey's blue avians.


I will state unapologetically that I have enjoyed David Wilcock's recent work in regards to Antarctica and ancient giants being excavated who are related to today's ruling elite. With everything going on in terms of John Kerry's visit to Antarctica during the election, and Buzz Aldrin's tweet in regards to an Antarctic Pyramid saying "we are all in danger it is evil itself", I have found Wilcock's presentations very entertaining. I've even found myself hoping there might be some grain of truth in his stories about the secret space program engaging and attempting to remove the world's elite. :pray:


Corey Goode and Shane are two peas in the same pod. They lack the creative talent, both in terms of writing talent and acting talent to truly sell their stories.
I don't care how outlandish a story is, it is all about the human reaction to the situation presented that matters. Neither of these pitchmen possess the ability to either write a proper reaction and or recreate the emotions necessary to sell their tale. Unfortunately such a void is destined to be filled.:photo:
I know Bill does not like Andrew Basiago, but :bolt:
Andrew Basiago passes the mustard as far as his story has texture, nuance and detail, also that guy demonstrates congruency in terms of body language, voice inflection and emotional conveyance. When I listen to Basiago I never stop and say "that dude is full of sh!t", instead I find myself amazed at how he sounds so credible. I hear Bill and as such maintain reservations about Basiago due to my respect for Bill, but with that being said if it was so easy to MKultra someone into telling a tale they believed in so as to muddy the waters, wouldn't "they" be coming out with MKultra memory implanted Basiagos more often?


Thank you Bill for sharing the info on Corey. You have an amazing amount of information in his regard and it needs to be heard by a larger audience, not just us lucky Avalon folks. :sun:

[norman]

Thanks DNA, you mentioned the Antarctica story. That's the one piece of the puzzle that has a hook in me all the way. I know something big is going on there. I've no idea what, but it's kept me pinned to the news machine about it and the Corey Goode 'news' has been too hard to resist.

I know large numbers of people have been working down there for at least the last 3 years. They could be discovering stuff or they could be creating a false discovery or none of the above at all.

[OMG]

People who really tell the exact truth about highly sensitive material are usually silenced pretty quickly

It would be an interesting thread to see what constitutes as proof from ALL "credible" whistle blowers who were silenced or eliminated.

[BMJ]

I had been thinking about this topic over the last few weeks, as a result I want to suggest that maybe the moderators could create a post or thread that lists what they deem to be reputable personalities and websites for us to consider.

This would assist us, both members and guests, in steering our investigations away from dubious information towards more productive research.

I leave this suggestion with the moderators for their consideration.

[Cristian]

I remember Christine posted her concerns about Corey some time ago...



[...]

I won't go into any more detail about my relationship with Corey at this time, other than to say that we were good friends and I spent time with him and his family... I will respect his personal privacy. What I can no longer remain silent about is the public spectacle that is being made of him. And David Wilcock, why has he moved from a brilliant writer to comic book sales personality? Who benefits?

Is there something to learn here? And what? Is something or someone being purposely discredited? .... What is being missed?

[...]

During all this time I have pondered if Corey's story had any validity. Have listened to maybe two of his shows with Gaiam, I say maybe because I couldn't stomach watching them all the way through. I did so once a few months back when someone asked me to and wrote a critique here on Earth Empaths.

I honestly have questioned a thousand times, why Corey? How and why did a traumatized semi-delusional man on disability get picked up by the media in the way he was. Shane explains part of it, right time - right place but this doesn't explain Dr. Salla's interest or the fact that other media mavens have grabbed on to this story. Nor that some very psychically attuned people believe it, hook line and sinker.

When I saw Jay Weidner's fifteen minute interview with Corey I cringed, it was so obvious he was told to do it. So again I ask, why Corey?

[jms2112]

Thanks for this thread. I have been getting suspicious of the David/Corey team in the last few months. I was fully on board with their stuff up till then. I'm relatively new at this stuff, only having been in it for a couple years. A friend sent me a link to one of the first videos and I was hooked. I signed up for gaia.com and watched every week. Up till today when I cancelled. Haven't watched an episode in several months. I do think there is some truth to what they are saying but it seems to have gone on for too long.

One of the things that I always thought that gave validity to David Wilcock to me, was that fact that he was (is?) a student of the Law of One channelings/teachings. I figured if he was a scholar of that message then he had to be legit and truthful. It's all about being of service to others. At one point in the beginning of my journey I read about all of the Law of One stuff and found it fascinating. I still think it's pretty legit, to me it just doesn't seem like anyone could make that stuff up. How could someone with such a deep understanding of those teachings be into deceiving people?

This is just another case of believing something and then finding out it might be (or is) false or misleading. Really frustrating in this 'search for truth' lol. It seems like Bill Ryan has a pretty good BS meter and has been around long enough to be able to see through some of this stuff. Which is why I can take his opinion seriously and that helps. Once you find someone you can trust, you sort of look to them, at least partly for some guidance. Since most of us can't spend hours a day researching this stuff and really digging into it.

Anyhoo... that's my two cents.

[jms2112]

I had been thinking about this topic over the last few weeks, as a result I want to suggest that maybe the moderators could create a post or thread that lists what they deem to be reputable personalities and websites for us to consider.

This would assist us, both members and guests, in steering our investigations away from dubious information towards more productive research.

I leave this suggestion with the moderators for their consideration.

I was thinking this same thing. It would be really cool if there was a list of topics/sites/personalities that this site had a sort of 'ranking' or rating on. Maybe with links to threads for support. For example, in the case of this thread - Corey Goode - you could have a rating of maybe 2 out of 5 because of this and that... I always thought that would be helpful, especially for the beginners.

[Camilo]

For what is worth. Shortly after Corey was kicked out of this forum, he personally told me that Kerry Cassidy had contacted him is several occasions, because she wanted to get an interview with him, but he declined because he didn't like the terms and conditions she wanted to impose on him, and as a result of it, he felt Kerry was bitter with him and was badmouthing him all over.

I don't defend Corey, and I'm not in the business of discredit anybody either. Further more, I admire and respect Kerry and Bill for all they have done to spread awareness to the public, but I felt I had to share the above mentioned issue.

[Helvetic]

THE “SECRET SPACE PROGRAM”: WHAT IT IS, AND ISN’T…

by Randy Maugans | Apr 23, 2017 |  radio.offplanetmedia.net (http://radio.offplanetmedia.net)

ON THE “SECRET SPACE PROGRAM”…WHAT IT IS, AND ISN’T…

“They” don’t call it the SSP.
That name is a term for public consumption.

The actual SSP operates under multiple project and sub-project names; and is flagged under numerous alliances that encompass deep military, intelligence,financial, and industrial groups which are, themselves, highly compartmentalized.

It also encompasses highly stratified command structures that operate on-world, off-world, inner-earth, and intra-dimensionally. It pre-dates all present governmental systems and utilizes time control systems that navigate temporal boundaries.

It also utilizes numerous simulation technologies that deploy operatives’ consciousness in an A.I. matrix as surrogates for clones and “blank” biological agents in terra-forming operations where hostile environments are present.

SSP has suppressed the ACTUAL knowledge about what constitutes “galactic” environs: “Space”, as it is known, is not the construct presented to the “public”.

NASA is a storefront money-laundering and public relations operation that was created out of the post-WWII think tanks to hide huge expenditures of financial and human capital. It operates in conjunction with all intelligence operations world-wide and is the central clearing house for ALL public facing projects like “moon missions”, “Mars orbiters”, the bogus International Space State (ISIS), and the “leaked” technology like stealth bombers and “space shuttles”…NASA and its corollaries also fund highly paid science fact, and science fiction writers, film makers, CGI artists, and film studios to “present” “space” as this 3-dimensional sweep of “billions and billions of…”

Ultimately, SSP is a psychological operation of deception and mass mind control to PREVENT the humans from discovering real navigation of the celestials, which can be found on the inner dimensions of our consciousness. What is “real” is invented. What is imagined, and navigated is real. -Randy Maugans

[Gaia]

On the same manner Helvetic : http://radio.offplanetmedia.net/2017/04/23/corey-goodes-avian-cult-of-personality/

Corey Goode’s Avian Cult of Personality
by Randy Maugans | Apr 23, 2017 | Articles, News, & Blurbs | 0 comments

THIS IS THE IMAGE OF A CULT…THE ALT-MEDIA AND “UFO” SCENE IS NOW FULLY CO-OPTED.
A VERY dangerous deception is being weaved before our eyes.
I spent some time today looking through Corey Goode’s recent materials. To say I was stunned, and horrified, is an understatement. The Sphere Alliance, for which Goode is now building a new website, has all the trappings (and I use that word in all manners possible) of an emergent cult of ET influence that borders on sinister, even demonic. I will have more to say in some articles and videos upcoming. For now:
IF YOU ARE PLANNING TO GO TO “CONTACT IN THE DESERT”:
My first advice is—DON’T.
If you must—better go shielded, and with the understanding that Goode is being promoted by forces that do NOT have your best interests at heart.
What I sense is that some “event” may be coming where the “Spheres/Orbs” (Blue Avians) will run a disclosure scenario that is the Mother of all deceptions (MOAD).
This may be a mass abduction scenario—just my impressions, for what it’s worth.
The energies at Joshua Tree are dark and potent. Most of the people appearing there are, at best, just merchants of woo-woo—some are paid intelligence operatives, and some others are predators of a high and decidedly non-human order.
It is obvious that Corey Goode is taken over—his demeanor, the incredible fantasies he is weaving, and the level at which he is being financed are RED FLAGS ON THE FIELD for all who have perception. His use of CGI in videos, on the coming websites, and in his talks are Hollywood slick—this is not the work of a few casual hobbyists.
I have been warning about this deception since I began OffPlanet Radio in 2010. We are now in the time of Great Deception on every level. The threat from Goode and his Sphere Alliance (Blue Avians) is both an intelligence operation, and a supernatural deception that can infect at the astral level.
I cannot warn you strongly enough to shield up and back away from this emerging cult.

[AutumnW]

Gaia,

The impression I get from all of the wannabe celebrities is that they are just that and not much more. In the forty years since I began studying this phenomenon and the personalities involved, I have only encountered one person who I could state, with certainty, is an agent planting information to intentionally mislead.

He has the ear of Jacques Vallee and other academic researchers. You wouldn't recognize his name unless you've had some involvement with some of these people.

The celebrity types make up crap as they go. There is no wizard behind the scenes IMO. They are appealing to religious archetypes of good versus evil, angels and devils. Many of them end up sounding like fundamentalist preachers.

There is no intention to do harm, just to create drama, which is the appeal of most fundamentalist fear and or hate mongering. People convince themselves they are seeking the truth when they are seeking excitement. It's tiring

[Michelle Marie]

Sooooo glad I never even got into it! :bigsmile:

I never got into it either, but I sure appreciate the scrutiny that some have shared regarding the information. This thread has a really high value for me.

Extra Thanks!!!
MM

[King Arthur]

IMO, the reason the bad guys release these disinfo agents on us is to divert us away from doing what could scupper their plans. Goode and Wilcock are promoting the idea of the external savior and all we have to do is sit back and wait to be 'saved'.

So let's ask ourselves what should we be doing, that they don't want to do?

IMO we should each look within ourselves and work on cleaning out the crap we have accumulated and strive to be shining examples of Light. To change the world, we change ourselves. We need to heal ourselves, love ourselves and by extension, only then can we truly love others. And with love in our hearts, we unite with our fellow human beings and create the world we really want to live in. Think of the movie Avatar where the blue guys are in tune with others of their own species and their planet and all who live there.

Here's an example of what I mean:
http://zerolimits.info/


Two years ago, I heard about a therapist in Hawaii who cured a complete ward of criminally insane patients--without ever seeing any of them. The psychologist would study an inmate's chart and then look within himself to see how he created that person's illness. As he improved himself, the patient improved.

His name is Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len. ..... He explained that he worked at Hawaii State Hospital for four years. That ward where they kept the criminally insane was dangerous. Psychologists quit on a monthly basis. The staff called in sick a lot or simply quit. People would walk through that ward with their backs against the wall, afraid of being attacked by patients. It was not a pleasant place to live, work, or visit.

Dr. Len told me that he never saw patients. He agreed to have an office and to review their files. While he looked at those files, he would work on himself. As he worked on himself, patients began to heal.

"After a few months, patients that had to be shackled were being allowed to walk freely," he told me. "Others who had to be heavily medicated were getting off their medications. And those who had no chance of ever being released were being freed."

"Not only that," he went on, "but the staff began to enjoy coming to work. Absenteeism and turnover disappeared. We ended up with more staff than we needed because patients were being released, and all the staff was showing up to work. Today, that ward is closed."

"What were you doing within yourself that caused those people to change?"

"I was simply healing the part of me that created them," he said.

..... healing for him and in ho 'oponopono means loving yourself. If you want to improve your life, you have to heal your life. If you want to cure anyone--even a mentally ill criminal--you do it by healing you.

I asked Dr. Len how he went about healing himself. What was he doing, exactly, when he looked at those patients' files?

"I just kept saying, 'I'm sorry' and 'I love you' over and over again," he explained.

.... loving yourself is the greatest way to improve yourself, and as you improve yourself, your improve your world.

Let me refer you to that interview with the Dutch banker, Ronald Bernard, which is doing the rounds at the moment:
From 32 mins:

I tell people about this old American general who puts an entire room of people in the dark. The general doesn't say a word and suddenly he flicks on a lighter, one little light and due to the prolonged darkness, you experience a manifestation of light from a single point and everyone can slightly see each other again. And then he says, "That is the power of our light."
Unite. Unite. Come together and this entire **** story ceases to exist. That's how fast it could happen

What the bad guys do NOT want is for us to improve ourselves, to love ourselves and our fellow humans, to unite as one. So do not place your focus on these dog and pony shows. Instead, do what you can to make this world a better place such as showing kindness to others etc and let your inner light blaze through. Make like a Christmas tree rather than a blue avian fan waiting for the next episode of the Goode/Wilcock soap opera.

Note to Bill: Apologies for being long winded. Please delete if you think this is going too far off topic. Thank you.

[Bill Ryan]

People who really tell the exact truth about highly sensitive material are usually silenced pretty quickly

It would be an interesting thread to see what constitutes as proof from ALL "credible" whistle blowers who were silenced or eliminated.

There's a recent thread here about exactly this:


Suspicious Death Research - Shadow Government Assassinations (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97220-Suspicious-Death-Research-Shadow-Government-Assassinations)

On that thread (post #27 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97220-Suspicious-Death-Research-Shadow-Government-Assassinations&p=1147659&viewfull=1#post1147659)) I referenced my own Camelot page where I listed, with full details, a large number of people who have been killed or otherwise silenced for inconveniently speaking out.


http://projectcamelot.org/tribute.html

[AutumnW]

Interesting list. Richard Doty was involved in the Bennewitz case. I am sure he is still alive and kicking!

[Bill Ryan]

I had been thinking about this topic over the last few weeks, as a result I want to suggest that maybe the moderators could create a post or thread that lists what they deem to be reputable personalities and websites for us to consider.

This would assist us, both members and guests, in steering our investigations away from dubious information towards more productive research.

I leave this suggestion with the moderators for their consideration.

I was thinking this same thing. It would be really cool if there was a list of topics/sites/personalities that this site had a sort of 'ranking' or rating on. Maybe with links to threads for support. For example, in the case of this thread - Corey Goode - you could have a rating of maybe 2 out of 5 because of this and that... I always thought that would be helpful, especially for the beginners.

Yes — we already have this:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=977226&viewfull=1#post977226

Corey would be an E5 on that scale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_source_and_information_reliability), which is used by many intelligence agencies to evaluate the credibility and value of information coming from a particular source.

E (the source) = 'Lacks authenticity, trustworthiness, and competency. History of invalid information.'
5 (the information) = 'Not logical, contradicted by other relevant information.'

E5 intelligence reports would be filed, of course, but they would be operationally disregarded. Absolutely no action would be taken.

[Gaia]

Gaia,

The impression I get from all of the wannabe celebrities is that they are just that and not much more. In the forty years since I began studying this phenomenon and the personalities involved, I have only encountered one person who I could state, with certainty, is an agent planting information to intentionally mislead.

He has the ear of Jacques Vallee and other academic researchers. You wouldn't recognize his name unless you've had some involvement with some of these people.

The celebrity types make up crap as they go. There is no wizard behind the scenes IMO. They are appealing to religious archetypes of good versus evil, angels and devils. Many of them end up sounding like fundamentalist preachers.

There is no intention to do harm, just to create drama, which is the appeal of most fundamentalist fear and or hate mongering. People convince themselves they are seeking the truth when they are seeking excitement. It's tiring

I love Jacques Vallée books because he looks at the phenomena using his whole brain. Meaning he does not shy away, or worse, make fun of, the spiritual/sociological aspect of the UFO phenomena and he also uses much statistics and sound science to look into reports. Right brain/left brain. Other researchers in the 1970's such as John Keel and Ivan T. Sanderson have that same quality.


Today, some individuals on the web have breathtaking CGI images, seems to have incredible budgets in order to make video production. I think here about Youtube and many others alt-medias for the sole purpose of entertaining with far-fetched stories. I think Corey Goode is one of them. Opportunity and profits, always... Sad for all the peoples that follow him in my very own opinion.

[AutumnW]

Hi Gaia,

I love Vallee too and feel his take on the phenomenon may be closest to the truth. But the weird thing about Vallee is, he discounts Roswell, because it doesn't fit his model of how aliens act and interact. He is guilty of the same thing he criticizes in other researchers. I think he also dismissed the 70's Malmstrom missile shut down case, possibly for the same reason. I would have to clarify that though.

Love John Keel too. They are my favourites. They both see the phenomenon as existing somewhere between dream and waking, myth and madness, reason and ruin.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I too find Goode a dubious source, especially as a guest of Wilcock on Gaia TV. Wilcock has some incredible tidbits on the go right now about the structure of the cosmos that are intriguing if the corroborating evidence holds true...I suspect any who claim special status as a rule, or have been whisked away in blue orbs.

Gaia TV has a few good shows: Goerge Noory, Regina Meredith, Sean Stone, Linda Moulton Howe come to mind.

Corey is now off the list on the strength of this thread, though.

[Mike]

I too find Goode a dubious source, especially as a guest of Wilcock on Gaia TV. Wilcock has some incredible tidbits on the go right now about the structure of the cosmos that are intriguing if the corroborating evidence holds true...I suspect any who claim special status as a rule, or have been whisked away in blue orbs.

Gaia TV has a few good shows: Goerge Noory, Regina Meredith, Sean Stone, Linda Moulton Howe come to mind.

Corey is now off the list on the strength of this thread, though.


Interesting. I know next to nothing about Gaia, except that Corey and David are affiliated. I had no idea Linda Moulton Howe was as well. I was listening to her recent interview about Antarctica and the alleged structures and ruins under the ice and so on, and at one point she uses Corey's testimony to kind of strengthen her own take. It was clear by implication that she found it valid. ..Which is more than a little disturbing

[Karila]

My tantrum: D. Wilcock seems to me like he researched a lot. Now why is it he partnered with him? It's one thing to love the storyline. But...it can't just be ego, can it?

[SilentFeathers]

Could Steven Greer be badmouthing his competition?


Greer says that his friend, Corey Goode has been brainwashed since early childhood to believe the stories that he has been presenting on Gaia TV. He says there’s no deceit involved on Goode’s part but his stories are false memories, implanted by a Black Operation.

http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/new-shocking-info-false-flag-coming-dr-steven-greer-the-carol-rosin-show/

One would think if there were a large amount of truth to most of these alien claims of moon bases etc etc that all these "insiders" and "whistle-blowers" would basically be parroting/copying each others stories and claims. If people like these folks know so much about this stuff why are they not saying the same exact things as each other?

I for one do believe in alien life forms beyond our planet, but, the claims Goode/Greer/Wilcock, etc. make are a bit much like Hollywood scripts contradicting each other and others who claim the same type of information. Also, like others have mentioned, information like this being spouted out in public (or private) is a good way to get disappeared. Deep state info like this does not fall into the hands of people like Goode and allowed to be made in to a series on things like Gaia TV IMHO.

ADDED: I for one do not believe a single word Greer says, besides, how would he actually know this about Goode, he's making stuff up as he goes too IMO.

[Verdilac]

I too find Goode a dubious source, especially as a guest of Wilcock on Gaia TV. Wilcock has some incredible tidbits on the go right now about the structure of the cosmos that are intriguing if the corroborating evidence holds true...

Well I had a look over Wilcock's piece about the cosmos structure and instantly thought of Itzhak Bentov's idea of the cosmos, that said . I prefer Bentov's version, which he paid a high price for sharing with us.

To keep on topic but not to be too despondent on Mr Goode , I felt many of his posts seemed like they had been written & edited by more than 1 person or maybe a team. I remember many heated exchanges and if you had an alternative point of view you had your work to cut out if you wanted to debate anything with him.

A few people have mentioned Gaia TV in this thread as they are connected to both Wilcock & Goode, and it got my attention when Kerry Cassidy said they wanted to buy the body of work and interviews built up over the years. Could you imagine if they bought everyone's material then just sat on it and didn't allow anyone to use it. Many would be stuck with Goode's & Wilcock's version of reality, and then when you thought it couldn't get any worse they would roll out Dr Greer.:facepalm:

With truth becoming thin on the ground we really need to start helping our alternative sites out so they don't feel pressured into selling off the silverware as when there gone, there gone !:focus:

[Shannon]

I always remember this ironic gem from the goode.... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74972-Don-t-Feed-The-Narcissistic-Psychopathic-and-Sadistic-TROLL-S---&highlight=TargeT)

good discernment lesson

People tell you who they are. He is a trollie liar. That's a psycho trait with Corey showing off to himself (and wife, prob ), he was probably so impressed on how he looks like is he being righteous and teaching others...but is really offering up what he really finds interesting and what he is good at. Being a fraud and liar.

The link target is referring to is a long post by Corey with studies about the behavior of trolls on the internet and how they function in different ways and on different forums and organize. People show you who they are. Check out the link but be warned its lengthy.

Creep. Psycho.

I hope this starts getting people to wake the hell up, we just went thru a little rattle because of two Corey trolls who got passed the gate, and you know, that obviously if she was to be believed, was a senior and was not going to stop until she somehow made Corey look good in her heart again. She couldn't stand him being critiqued and called out. This could have been anyone but I'm sure there old, vulnerable women out there giving money to Gaia and Corey. Check out his twitter if you can stomach whining about having a broken toe in Hawaii with his family, and poor Corey has no health insurance. :( This guy is the modern slow burn con artist who banded up with another con artist from a purely realistic point of view. Birds of a feather...(couldn't help it.)

Kerry Cassidy not interviewing Corey says a lot. To me...I mean, I sat thru the ridiculous captain J video. And when that changes. If that changes, which i don't believe it will, Kerry isnt stupid. I'd be interested to know wth happened and I'd be looking sideways at Cassidy. Lol

[Mike]

hey Shannon, well said. he really was likely showing off to himself...like the murderer who returns to the scene of the crime and watches the forensic team with a disturbed glee. a sick ego almost cant help itself...it has to do these things.

and YES, kerry not interviewing him speaks volumes....as in 'Ulysses' volumes:)

i dont know if any of you go thru this same type of phenomenon, but this alt game has a way of short circuiting my memory. in other words, things that happened 2 weeks ago feel like they happened 2 years ago. so even as i was about to reply to 'seeking senior' for the first time, i had to stop and say to myself: "wait, why is Corey a fraud again???" i mean, i literally forgot. it felt like a decades old story.

..his story is fantastical, sure, i remembered that...but pretty much everything we discuss is....and after you listen to alt interview after interview, day after day, week after week, year after year, this material has a way of blending into one big unified smorgasbord of insanity. its easy to get lost in it.

sun size spheres and bird people seem unbelievable, but really no more unbelievable than half the other stuff that most of us accept as being likely true. i listened to his original interview with the same kind of novel curiosity and amusement i listen to most of these interviews with, and i cant honestly say i walked away thinking "fraud!" ...no, i walked away and didnt think much of anything really, as my brain has been desensitized over the years by this type of rhetoric. i likely did my laundry, or made lunch, or took a walk....and i likely forgot about it, at least temporarily...

...what always makes me chuckle a little is the people - not just here! - but everywhere on the net (the "alt media") who pompously deride Corey's story as being the stuff of fantasy and science fiction, and then earnestly go straight into something about humanoid reptiles or otherdimensional archons...WITHOUT ANY SENSE OF IRONY AT ALL:)

..we often speak of "discernment" here...but how does one meaningfully discern when the average baseline in the alt media is already oceans beyond the most active imagination???

dont worry!..i dont believe corey's story:)...but its not necessarily because of the story itself...its everything else that has surrounded it and him..all the stuff described in detail on this thread by Bill and others. point being, its hard to see the ocean of insanity when youre drowning in it.

p.s. apologies..this likely doesnt belong in this thread. mods please feel free to move this to wherever seems appropriate

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[Kryztian]

When ever we uncover a story of disinformation, we often tend to throw the baby out with the bath water. Corey Goode's story might not tell us much about the non terrestrials there (e.g. "Blue Avians, etc.) but he is an important example of what mind control can do, and may be a shining example of what mind control can do. It would be a terrible mistake to take him at his word, but it would also be a mistake to completely ignore him. The net work of deception out there is vast and deep, but Corey is probably not to far removed from some of it's darkest and most technologically advanced nexuses. As long as he is out there delivering his message, it would be wise to keep a good critical eye on him.

[AutumnW]

When ever we uncover a story of disinformation, we often tend to throw the baby out with the bath water. Corey Goode's story might not tell us much about the non terrestrials there (e.g. "Blue Avians, etc.) but he is an important example of what mind control can do, and may be a shining example of what mind control can do. It would be a terrible mistake to take him at his word, but it would also be a mistake to completely ignore him. The net work of deception out there is vast and deep, but Corey is probably not to far removed from some of it's darkest and most technologically advanced nexuses. As long as he is out there delivering his message, it would be wise to keep a good critical eye on him.

There is zero reason to believe his mind is being controlled by anything more than a ginormous ego. These people are all the same. Greer, Parkes, Goode. I can't believe that anybody would take Greer's personal claims of alien abduction seriously.

They lie. They aren't mind controlled. They aren't special. They are cons. I will give Greer this -- he HAS managed to do SOME very good work with the disclosure project but that's about it. Strange that a man who is so focussed on the evolution of mankind is so roided up he becomes more Simian looking by the day.

I am so repulsed by these pathetic human beings -- conmen.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Here is a link to the newest Corey Goode show on Gaia. Judge for yourself.
Hope that's alright, Bill. If not, delete.

Link good for 48 hrs.

https://give.gaia.com/cj20wr0p3002601mcdunl7xn1

[TargeT]

Judge for yourself.


Same as ever... though his backstory is very well fleshed out now.. but then I haven't payed attention to the goodester in quite a while.

I immediately got the impression that he's making up for insecurities, not sure why....

[Sequoia]

Everyone leaves a track record that's for all to see, if they want to know that is…now no one can use the excuse, "I didn't know"

Thank you Bill Ryan for your exemplary compilation of facts on your epic thread ! I hope it brings clearer focus to more people waking up :bearhug:

[Praxis]

The optimist in me wants to think that Wilcock has been into this so long and so optimistic that he wants a win so bad that he is willing to go for the goodes. My reading on David when I watch him is yes he has a little bit of enjoying ego a bit too much, but who doesnt lets be honest, but he is sincere in his desire for good for all people. I think he just wants it to be true so much that he goes along. I wrote about Hope Porn before and I think that david himself fell for the goodes because of it.

Be careful to not let your hope and optimism blind you to harsh realities

[Ultima Thule]

Here is a link to the newest Corey Goode show on Gaia. Judge for yourself.
Hope that's alright, Bill. If not, delete.

Link good for 48 hrs.

https://give.gaia.com/cj20wr0p3002601mcdunl7xn1

What bothers me in the video is, that whenever Noory asks a question, Goode doesn't seem to be doing any recalling from memory but rigidly maintains eye contact. It might be nothing, but it also might mean that there isn't any Antarctica trip or preadamite bodies to recall and he adamantly chooses to maintain eye contact to avoid looking like a liar.

UT

[The Freedom Train]

I saw a few years ago that David Wilcox believed he might be a reincarnated Edgar Cayce, concluded initially from facial similarities I think.

I also recall thinking of the phrase, "One step forward, two steps back".

The thing is his early work re synchronicities seemed completely on the level which leads to conclude that he was corrupted by something. Is everyone ultimatley corruptible? I like to think I'm beyond corruption, I value truth and honesty too highly to compromise, even for the sake of my life - and, it has to be said, even my families - though that would be a tortuous decision to be sure. I suppose a lot would depend on how much you believe in this thing we call life.

Like the guy in The Matrix that sold out, he didn't want to remember a thing because it would be a difficult cross to bear. The easiest way to be burden free is to be honest. (edit: or completely lack a conscience, which I suppose is how so many of 'them' sleep easy).

I have seen the infiltration/attack/manipulation phenomenon so so much in these fields it is not even funny - to include many of the people I was becoming close to around where I live, the metaphysical/"healer" circles. I ended up walking away after a while, it became too much for me. I have also been under heavy attack and would not be at all surprised if I have also been tampered with. I have in the past had some ideas that I have since looked at in shock and wonderment.

It's not easy being on the brink of freedom - in fact I believe it is the most precarious position to be in - on the one hand, one is well poised to foil all dastardly plans for total annihilation of humanity and is thusly a prime target - on the other hand, in such a targeted state, one is not yet entirely immune to attack (ego for example). We've most of us all got something to lose or more, we all have our weaknesses, our vices, our wounds.

And then there is the psychotronic targeting, the blanket mind control energies, the satanic ritual energies, the global genocide agenda employing broadcast poisons in food water and air. I mean sheesh, talk about pulling out all the stops! We must be pretty effing powerful for having all of this being thrown at us. Makes one stop to think - we got that going for us, after all.

[The Freedom Train]

..his story is fantastical, sure, i remembered that...but pretty much everything we discuss is....and after you listen to alt interview after interview, day after day, week after week, year after year, this material has a way of blending into one big unified smorgasbord of insanity. its easy to get lost in it.

sun size spheres and bird people seem unbelievable, but really no more unbelievable than half the other stuff that most of us accept as being likely true. i listened to his original interview with the same kind of novel curiosity and amusement i listen to most of these interviews with, and i cant honestly say i walked away thinking "fraud!" ...no, i walked away and didnt think much of anything really, as my brain has been desensitized over the years by this type of rhetoric. i likely did my laundry, or made lunch, or took a walk....and i likely forgot about it, at least temporarily...

...what always makes me chuckle a little is the people - not just here! - but everywhere on the net (the "alt media") who pompously deride Corey's story as being the stuff of fantasy and science fiction, and then earnestly go straight into something about humanoid reptiles or otherdimensional archons...WITHOUT ANY SENSE OF IRONY AT ALL:)

..we often speak of "discernment" here...but how does one meaningfully discern when the average baseline in the alt media is already oceans beyond the most active imagination???

dont worry!..i dont believe corey's story:)...but its not necessarily because of the story itself...its everything else that has surrounded it and him..all the stuff described in detail on this thread by Bill and others. point being, its hard to see the ocean of insanity when youre drowning in it

So great. You have so eloquently put into words what I feel and more vaguely think to myself on a regular basis. Bravo!

[EFO]

A few years ago I discovered some work of D. Wilcock and following him,at some moment,Corey Goode poped up with his story which was interesting at that time.Checking my “way back machine” I noticed that Corey Goode was then presented as a sort of victim of the so-called SSP (which in my opinion is an interesting way of propaganda/PR as well as some “big” countries developed a sort of ufos through reverse engineering - an other interesting way of propaganda/PR,but this is an other subject) and now he looks,by attitude, like he’s “ridding” on big horses.

One of my questions is how come Corey Goode have so much CGI from the start and in such a short time and others – and here I referred to true whistle blowers and real experiencers – still have no access so easily to such technology die to multiple reasons and we still using papers and colored crayons or free softwares trying to show what happened (Travis Walton,Allagash incident,mojo and others).The rest of the questions I let them to the experts.

On the other hand I don’t say that I believe or disbelieve Goode’s story/ies – time will tell us,it’s just an interesting sci-fi story/ies,no more no less,he only know what is true or not.

[Wind]

Here is a link to the newest Corey Goode show on Gaia. Judge for yourself.
Hope that's alright, Bill. If not, delete.

Link good for 48 hrs.

https://give.gaia.com/cj20wr0p3002601mcdunl7xn1

What bothers me in the video is, that whenever Noory asks a question, Goode doesn't seem to be doing any recalling from memory but rigidly maintains eye contact. It might be nothing, but it also might mean that there isn't any Antarctica trip or preadamite bodies to recall and he adamantly chooses to maintain eye contact to avoid looking like a liar.

UT

The only thing I got from him is that he's behaving like a pathological liar.
I don't know if I would give him the compliment by calling him a "good liar".

Of course that is just his body language, we here of just already DO know that his story is full of it.

[Maunagarjana]

I think it's silly people using the animation and artwork as an argument against Corey. I think a lot of people aren't aware how easy it is to generate that sort of stuff with computer programs these days. And when you have a large following like Corey has, there will very likely come forward many talented people who want to volunteer their services for what they feel is a good cause. And I've kept an eye on Corey ever since he's come out publicly, and this is exactly what I've seen happen. I'm sure that there's been all kinds of volunteers helping Corey out that I don't know about. And I'm talking about regular people with some or even a great deal of technical know-how who are spiritual seekers and who are just being generous with their time and resources.

First, a web designer came forward from among his fans and offered to give him a proper website and help him maintain it for free. His older website was a total mess. For someone who does web design for a living, this is not a difficult thing to do. In fact, it's pretty darn easy when all you have to do is slightly modify some template among a great many templates that you've already created. And likely, such a person has ample server space to host such a site.

The artwork that was done for Corey was done by volunteers like Android Jones (who is a longtime friend of Wilcock's) and Vashta Narada, who is a friend of Bentinho Massaro's, who is a Law of One lecturer. Wilcock himself has talked about how he has spent lots of time learning how to use Adobe After Effects to make animations for his videos that he either puts on youtube or uses in conference presentations. He probably himself made many of the animations that people are saying are "too slick" and they deem suspicious. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he made all of them. You'd be surprised what kind of neat animations you can make with a bit of knowledge of that program.

[Pam]

Here is a link to the newest Corey Goode show on Gaia. Judge for yourself.
Hope that's alright, Bill. If not, delete.

Link good for 48 hrs.

https://give.gaia.com/cj20wr0p3002601mcdunl7xn1

What bothers me in the video is, that whenever Noory asks a question, Goode doesn't seem to be doing any recalling from memory but rigidly maintains eye contact. It might be nothing, but it also might mean that there isn't any Antarctica trip or preadamite bodies to recall and he adamantly chooses to maintain eye contact to avoid looking like a liar.

UT


You have made a really good point here Ultima. When one is recalling from past experience there are movements of the eyes and often hand movements as one visualizes the past experience. I found him void of those mannerisms. Try recalling an event from the past verbally and you will see it is almost impossible not to move your eyes and use hands as you pull the memory up for description. That is a huge red flag if you don't.

[The Freedom Train]

Here is a link to the newest Corey Goode show on Gaia. Judge for yourself.
Hope that's alright, Bill. If not, delete.

Link good for 48 hrs.

https://give.gaia.com/cj20wr0p3002601mcdunl7xn1

What bothers me in the video is, that whenever Noory asks a question, Goode doesn't seem to be doing any recalling from memory but rigidly maintains eye contact. It might be nothing, but it also might mean that there isn't any Antarctica trip or preadamite bodies to recall and he adamantly chooses to maintain eye contact to avoid looking like a liar.

UT


You have made a really good point here Ultima. When one is recalling from past experience there are movements of the eyes and often hand movements as one visualizes the past experience. I found him void of those mannerisms. Try recalling an event from the past yourself and you will see it is almost impossible not to move your eyes and use hands as you pull the memory up for description. That is a huge red flag if you don't.

I couldn't agree more. I recently stumbled upon some very informative tutorials (in another thread which I cannot now find!) regarding reading people's body language when they talk, to know fairly certainly whether or not they are lying. No eye movement is definitely a bell ringer in that book.

[Shannon]

Here is a link to the newest Corey Goode show on Gaia. Judge for yourself.
Hope that's alright, Bill. If not, delete.

Link good for 48 hrs.

https://give.gaia.com/cj20wr0p3002601mcdunl7xn1

It was painful watching Corey recite this made up information. His grandfather was in operation white coat...well, I'd like Corey to get more specific about this because he says that they did genetic testing on him that somehow caused Corey to be effected. Well, I'll have to do some research because if I'm right, that project was a volunteer program that were offered to seventh day Adventist over a 20 year period and was focused on the Q virus, almost Everyman Involved is very proud to have been a part of it and have no heath issues.

I don't trust our government, or military programs, but this program is reported by the subjects to have actually done good for our country. I could be totally wrong. But this is one of those claims that any goofball can toss out there and say, "there was genetic testing and it was nefarious and shady!"

Corey never blinks either. Maybe that shinola slapped on his hair is effecting his genes.

hmm .. so which guy is destined to be grandpa Goode?
Or was he in the Super Secret Operation Whitecoat?

https://s18.postimg.org/wljd6z06x/IMG_2965.jpg

[Mike]

...yes, his posture is very stiff and awkward. One gets the feeling he was coached to cross his legs like that in an attempt to appear laid back...but all it does is amplify his weirdness even more. And the eyes...the head is always tilted slightly back and the eyes have the look of perpetual shock. They rarely blink or offer any sort of animation at all..which is consistent with his body language as a whole. He sits stiffly and rarely moves .....between the eyes and the posture he appears as Frankenstein might had he been locked in a perpetual state of shock. Even his answers (which to his credit, he has a pretty quick answer to everything now. There is no waffling anymore) feel more like a recitation of a previously made speech than real, spontaneous answers. There is something disturbingly robotic about this man.

My feeling is, he was likely fed all the questions ahead of time. It would explain alot.

[Ernie Nemeth]

So now you know. It's a circus act. I stopped watching those a while back, they are way too far out for me. Like I said, special status claims sets my radar off. When Blue Orbs Or Arten and Pushaw (a reference to a set of books by an author whom I can't recall at the moment) show up, I'm outta there.

But Noory doesn't look well, or happy. And Wilcock is, what?, along for the ride? Or has he gone off the tracks too?

That was my second gift video, credit well spent

[SilentFeathers]

And Wilcock is, what?, along for the ride? Or has he gone off the tracks too?

IMO, It's not Wilcock that is the one along for the ride, it's Goode. by way of Wilcock.

Wilcock needed some new material to keep the cash flowing and found it in Goode.

Gene Roddenberry loved telling and writing wild and sensational stories and look at the celebrity he became and following he got.....most of these that claim they are "insiders" and "whistle-blowers" are basically doing the same thing but are claiming their wild and sensational stories are non-fiction.

[Omni]

Gene Roddenberry loved telling and writing wild and sensational stories and look at the celebrity he became and following he got.....most of these that claim they are "insiders" and "whistle-blowers" are basically doing the same thing but are claiming their wild and sensational stories are non-fiction.

What if the whole point of some operations like Corey Goode is to marginalize the ideas behind legitimate whistleblowing. I do think there are many great whistleblowers personally. Just none that buy the new age BS..

I can't name 3 fake whistleblowers. Granted, I don't go looking for fake whistleblowers.

[TargeT]

I can't name 3 fake whistleblowers.

I honestly can't think of more than 3 that I consider "fully honest and real".

but then, I'm a skeptical one...

[Omni]

I can't name 3 fake whistleblowers.

I honestly can't think of more than 3 that I consider "fully honest and real".

but then, I'm a skeptical one...

There is a big difference between honest and in alignment to truth. There is a massive conspiracy of unwitting mind control assets. I think that is behind many of the incorrect 'whistleblowers'. I personally don't think the majority of 'whistleblowers' are intentionally lying. If you disagree that is fine.

And if you can't think of more than 3 real whistleblowers I'm not sure what kind of people you are researching. Have you heard of British Dr. Barrie Trower, Ex-CIA Dr. Robert Duncan, US Army Officer Julianne McKinney, Ex-FBI Sibel Edmonds, Ex-CIA Victor Marchetti, US Army Philip J. Corso, Ex-CIA Asset Udo Ulfkotte, Ex-NSA Karen Stewart, Ex-NSA William Binney, TI whistleblower Dr. John Hall, Fox News Whistleblowers Jane Akre & Steve Wilson (rBST). Any of those ring a bell? And if you are aware of who they are do you think they are all BSing?

[SilentFeathers]

I can't name 3 fake whistleblowers.

I honestly can't think of more than 3 that I consider "fully honest and real".

but then, I'm a skeptical one...

I can think of perhaps 2, Assange and Seth Rich....one is dead and the other is targeted for assassination.

True whistle-blowers most often have the Grimm Reaper snatching them quickly.

[uzn]

Speaking of Whistleblowers:
Doug the Painter Comes to Mind with his fantastic Whistleblower Hommage:
http://projectavalon.net/Doug_Auld_Whistleblower_website.jpg

[TargeT]

I can't name 3 fake whistleblowers.

I honestly can't think of more than 3 that I consider "fully honest and real".

but then, I'm a skeptical one...

There is a big difference between honest and in alignment to truth. There is a massive conspiracy of unwitting mind control assets. I think that is behind many of the incorrect 'whistleblowers'. I personally don't think the majority of 'whistleblowers' are intentionally lying. If you disagree that is fine.

For the majority, (Goode would be an exception) I do not think they are intentionally lying, not at all... I just do not have much faith in the "permanence" of perception... it (perception) is EXTREMELY malleable.


And if you can't think of more than 3 real whistleblowers I'm not sure what kind of people you are researching. Have you heard of British Dr. Barrie Trower, Ex-CIA Dr. Robert Duncan, US Army Officer Julianne McKinney, Ex-FBI Sibel Edmonds, Ex-CIA Victor Marchetti, US Army Philip J. Corso, Ex-CIA Asset Udo Ulfkotte, Ex-NSA Karen Stewart, Ex-NSA William Binney, TI whistleblower Dr. John Hall, Fox News Whistleblowers Jane Akre & Steve Wilson (rBST). Any of those ring a bell? And if you are aware of who they are do you think they are all BSing?

I've only looked into Sibel from that list, and with 75% extremely valid and salient points.. I can't fault her info at all.. But I also don't see that as doing more than confirming common knowledge (ie, everything she's said isn't new, really..).

Which, ideologically, puts me in a funny place for a lot of reasons.

First, comparatively (and this minor, but I think semi important) observe the background of these "witnesses".

and by background I mean literally the video's they put out.

Does Mis Edmonds live anywhere near your socio-economic status?

How about the new golden boy, does Mr Steele live in a house like yours?

I can't ignore those data inputs, or the fact that they seem to give "too perfect" of answers to common problems, and easily obtain media coverage giving information that has been at least mostly, commonly known.

I have worked with military intelligence for almost 20 years now (still work in that field in some respect, just not as specialized as before) and I can tell you I have a lot of red flags here...

question everything, even whistleblowers .


wan't to know the wistleblowers I would have named??:
Mark Klein (https://www.wired.com/2013/06/nsa-whistleblower-klein/)
Carmen M. SEGARRA (http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1713739.html)
Thomas Drake (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/05/23/the-secret-sharer)

but they aren't sensational, nor covering topics you are suppose to pay attention to (my interpretation via media patterns).


Speaking of Whistleblowers:
Doug the Painter Comes to Mind with his fantastic Whistleblower Hommage:


I have SERIOUS issues with the first two on that list purely based on logic and relevant personal experience.

[Bill Ryan]

:focus:

Please. :)

[Flash]

the first two on the long list, namely Bradley and Manning, are definitely not living in the same kind of housing I am living in. Although Assange may generate revenues, Mannings definitely does not. I truly wonder what would be their advantages in life if they aren't true whistle blowers.

As for others, anything that makes more than 500,000$ a year (Alex Jones and many more) is definitely worth asking questions about (although they may still not be bought), as well as anyone that has been threatened and got really scare, David Wilcock being one of them. It had to give up either his life or his revenue - by stopping everything, or give in.

Goody is just someone who needed money and can be bought in my opinion (just an opinion amongst others) by about anyone.

If we have not been put in a situation to be bought or seen some around us, we cannot imagine how easy it is to buy someone. Easier yet to make them change their opinion so that they buy themselve up, without having to pay for them (these are the cabal's tricks). I have seen it again and again andddd again in the business world, government employees bought for crumbles of money, business employees preferring to shut up not to lose their job (therefore bought), funds embezzlements. etc.

I think I am getting too old and have seen too much. Yet, I have never seen except here, those in contact with real hidden and very important stuff. To be a real whistleblower, it takes balls of steel and it takes not taking one's life as important.

In my life, I have not seen many of these people, anywhere.






I can't name 3 fake whistleblowers.

I honestly can't think of more than 3 that I consider "fully honest and real".

but then, I'm a skeptical one...

There is a big difference between honest and in alignment to truth. There is a massive conspiracy of unwitting mind control assets. I think that is behind many of the incorrect 'whistleblowers'. I personally don't think the majority of 'whistleblowers' are intentionally lying. If you disagree that is fine.

For the majority, (Goode would be an exception) I do not think they are intentionally lying, not at all... I just do not have much faith in the "permanence" of perception... it (perception) is EXTREMELY malleable.


And if you can't think of more than 3 real whistleblowers I'm not sure what kind of people you are researching. Have you heard of British Dr. Barrie Trower, Ex-CIA Dr. Robert Duncan, US Army Officer Julianne McKinney, Ex-FBI Sibel Edmonds, Ex-CIA Victor Marchetti, US Army Philip J. Corso, Ex-CIA Asset Udo Ulfkotte, Ex-NSA Karen Stewart, Ex-NSA William Binney, TI whistleblower Dr. John Hall, Fox News Whistleblowers Jane Akre & Steve Wilson (rBST). Any of those ring a bell? And if you are aware of who they are do you think they are all BSing?

I've only looked into Sibel from that list, and with 75% extremely valid and salient points.. I can't fault her info at all.. But I also don't see that as doing more than confirming common knowledge (ie, everything she's said isn't new, really..).

Which, ideologically, puts me in a funny place for a lot of reasons.

First, comparatively (and this minor, but I think semi important) observe the background of these "witnesses".

and by background I mean literally the video's they put out.

Does Mis Edmonds live anywhere near your socio-economic status?

How about the new golden boy, does Mr Steele live in a house like yours?

I can't ignore those data inputs, or the fact that they seem to give "too perfect" of answers to common problems, and easily obtain media coverage giving information that has been at least mostly, commonly known.

I have worked with military intelligence for almost 20 years now (still work in that field in some respect, just not as specialized as before) and I can tell you I have a lot of red flags here...

question everything, even whistleblowers .


wan't to know the wistleblowers I would have named??:
Mark Klein (https://www.wired.com/2013/06/nsa-whistleblower-klein/)
Carmen M. SEGARRA (http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1713739.html)
Thomas Drake (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/05/23/the-secret-sharer)

but they aren't sensational, nor covering topics you are suppose to pay attention to (my interpretation via media patterns).


Speaking of Whistleblowers:
Doug the Painter Comes to Mind with his fantastic Whistleblower Hommage:


I have SERIOUS issues with the first two on that list purely based on logic and relevant personal experience.

[TargeT]

the first two on the long list, namely Bradley and Manning, are definitely not living in the same kind of housing I am living in. Although Assange may generate revenues, Mannings definitely does not. I truly wonder what would be their advantages in life if they aren't true whistle blowers.


I did not articulate my self well.

This should clarify very simply.

In the broadest sense, equate Manning with Lee Harvey Oswald.

Assange is an entirely different topic (though mostly focused on what actually "leaks", the amount of press coverage received and a few other things).

Thats the trouble with goode and a lot of others, it's difficult to tell who is genuine, the feed back loop is so well analyzed that a dedicated and motivated individual has all the tools needed to deceive.

I think we have seen the product of this in goode, his interviews now loosely fit the "formula" of an honest truthful testimony; but it feels polished and fake, it doesn't seem authentic (and that can be backed up by the contradictions that were noted on this forum and detailed earlier in this thread).

[louisecroukamp]

It should be noted that "Gaia" is all over facebook. It always comes up as a suggested page for me. Gaia.tv pushes alot of Wilcox and Corey. Random people I'm friends with on facebook "like" it. So it is being very well funded and pushed hard on social media.

This is very true, I see it every time I log into Facebook. Tell me, is Michael Tellinger a part of it? I've seen some of his stuff on there.

[Maunagarjana]

One thing that has been brought to my attention about the Skype chat with Corey, there is a little pencil symbol next to where he says, "I fully understand you are now on the pay roll... so am I... it is what it is."

http://projectavalon.net/Corey_Goode_payroll_screenshot.gif

I don't use Skype, but if you look up what the pencil symbol means, this comes up.

https://www.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_pen_mean_next_to_a_message_on_skype
"It means that the Moderator of the chat has chosen to change the selected text. why this is a feature I'll never know."

Is this true? And if so, do we know who edited this comment? Who was the moderator of the chat? Was it Corey, or the unnamed other person? If it wasn't Corey, then this piece of evidence is worthless.

[PurpleLama]

One thing that has been brought to my attention about the Skype chat with Corey, there is a little pencil symbol next to where he says, "I fully understand you are now on the pay roll... so am I... it is what it is."

http://projectavalon.net/Corey_Goode_payroll_screenshot.gif

I don't use Skype, but if you look up what the pencil symbol means, this comes up.

https://www.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_pen_mean_next_to_a_message_on_skype
"It means that the Moderator of the chat has chosen to change the selected text. why this is a feature I'll never know."

Is this true? And if so, do we know who edited this comment? Who was the moderator of the chat? Was it Corey, or the unnamed other person? If it wasn't Corey, then this piece of evidence is worthless.

You can edit your own Skype messages, likely he made a typo, but who knows? Shane Bales was the person he was chatting with, I saw that screen shot a bunch of times back in 2015.

[Maunagarjana]

You can edit your own Skype messages, likely he made a typo, but who knows? Shane Bales was the person he was chatting with, I saw that screen shot a bunch of times back in 2015.

Not good enough. It needs to be proven that Corey was the one who edited it. Especially if it was Shane who was involved, who is a person I strongly distrust.

[PurpleLama]

You can edit your own Skype messages, likely he made a typo, but who knows? Shane Bales was the person he was chatting with, I saw that screen shot a bunch of times back in 2015.

Not good enough. It needs to be proven that Corey was the one who edited it. Especially if it was Shane who was involved, who is a person I strongly distrust.

You can't edit someone else's Skype message.

[Maunagarjana]

You can edit your own Skype messages, likely he made a typo, but who knows? Shane Bales was the person he was chatting with, I saw that screen shot a bunch of times back in 2015.

Not good enough. It needs to be proven that Corey was the one who edited it. Especially if it was Shane who was involved, who is a person I strongly distrust.

You can't edit someone else's Skype message.

Assuming that's true, how do we know the whole exchange wasn't fabricated using graphics software? Is just a screenshot, right?

[Bill Ryan]

You can edit your own Skype messages, likely he made a typo, but who knows? Shane Bales was the person he was chatting with, I saw that screen shot a bunch of times back in 2015.

Not good enough. It needs to be proven that Corey was the one who edited it. Especially if it was Shane who was involved, who is a person I strongly distrust.

You can't edit someone else's Skype message.

Assuming that's true, how do we know the whole exchange wasn't fabricated using graphics software? Is just a screenshot, right?

To help you evaluate this a little, Corey knows about the screenshot — of course. He's never once protested that it was faked. He's just remained quiet about it.

(And as he edited his own text post there, that means he was trying to get it right! That's the reason why people make edits to texts and posts.)

[Shadowself]

Also on this skype conversation posted from a screen shot on a phone...Corey himself has posted this conversation directly from his skype at another venue. I know and have the screen shots of his posting and argument with the other person of this conversation on my external hard drive. So he endorsed and promoted this conversation himself.


Look...I understand why Bill did not post the information I suggested earlier. But I will share one sentence this guy Cory used to manipulate his standing with Bill. At the time he was working to figure out a way to promote this whole thing going on at that time. At the time he needed Bill to promote him. He would do anything to get that promoting. He's been caught in many lies most of which have been regurgitated on this forum and others for a long time. So I don't feel the need to perseverate his actions which have led to this prolific lie he leads.

When I first met Cory it was a brief encounter. I had actually PM'd him on a subject I was posting on regarding a guy who claimed to be a soldier who spent time on Mars. I hadn't paid much attention to his whole story but one thing he said perked my ears. So I contacted Michael Salla and arranged to talk to the guy. Which I did. I was highly disappointed and furthermore was surprised at where this guy was going with the conversation which is neither here nor there. I had told Cory that I had contacted this guy and basically he was full of it and I told Cory as much. I also found it quite interesting that Michael Salla became one of his prime contacts besides David Wilcock. Michael Salla is easily contacted and receptive. Probably because he's always looking for a good story and became short on material at the time. In fact about six months ago Salla contacted me to see if I knew of Cory and wanted to talk to me. Salla must be running out of material again.

So next thing I see...Cory and this guy from Mars....they both want to counsel MILABS. Say what? I was quite taken back because what the hell qualifies either of them to do that? Answer: Not a damned thing! In fact given what I've seen Cory write, he has deep personal issues he needs to work out and has no business counselling anybody!

So in the interim...Cory contacts Bill and uses me as a trophy. A trophy as in someone else Bill can interview on said subjects of interest...

Using me as a trophy when he didn't even know me to put me up there as a person that would be willing to interview was to me (especially given my circumstance which Cory has no knowledge of) an outrageous attempt to gain favor. Overstepping as far as I'm concerned.

Here's the thing. I not only never wanted this I was told and shown that he was fabricating things about me. He said this and I use these quotation marks as what he exactly said about me:

"She was in a very thought out and secure group that was infiltrated by "Metamorphs" and they set off "Triggers" and caused infighting and destroyed the group".

WTF group might that be? WTF is he talking about? I have no idea...none of that was true. It's a complete fabrication... and here is Bill thinking I was ready to go public and spill my guts on this particular idea that Cory was fabricating. This quote has not one damned thing to do with me and is again an example of what lengths Cory will go to when he wants something. Because if it was true he had no business sharing anything of that nature....but hay....it didn't matter because it was again a DAMNED LIE.

End of story.

[Chester]

I too find Goode a dubious source, especially as a guest of Wilcock on Gaia TV. Wilcock has some incredible tidbits on the go right now about the structure of the cosmos that are intriguing if the corroborating evidence holds true...I suspect any who claim special status as a rule, or have been whisked away in blue orbs.

Gaia TV has a few good shows: Goerge Noory, Regina Meredith, Sean Stone, Linda Moulton Howe come to mind.

Corey is now off the list on the strength of this thread, though.


Interesting. I know next to nothing about Gaia, except that Corey and David are affiliated. I had no idea Linda Moulton Howe was as well. I was listening to her recent interview about Antarctica and the alleged structures and ruins under the ice and so on, and at one point she uses Corey's testimony to kind of strengthen her own take. It was clear by implication that she found it valid. ..Which is more than a little disturbing

Understand...

It is becoming clearer and clearer that there are folks who are vulnerable to displaying the excessive need for attention, who appear overly narcissistic and may also be experiencing megalomania (and thus manifesting its symptoms) whereby they become capable of "telling stories" (lies) which are fantastical, likely completely fabricated and/or if there be any real truth in the foundation of any of these stories, that truth alone would be considered simply unsurprising and inconsequential.

An example of the unsurprising and inconsequential is when an ex-military member becomes the next "insider." It is very possible that someone could have been in the military. We know of millions on Earth at this time who were once in the military. Yet perhaps some of these start to tell stories related to "secret ops," aliens, travel to other planets and worlds... and the fact is that there stories may be true, at least to themselves and perhaps actually true. But also, they could see "opportunity" to fulfill needs and act out behaviors that I described above.

Another example is "the therapist" who then becomes a specialist with regards to treating, say... abductees. Yet then later tells their own abduction stories.... which, could be their own honest truth... and could actually be true. But it could also be someone disciplined enough to feed "a lurking monster" like I described above.

How do we know? In speaking for myself, I had to experience much of this first hand to draw my own conclusions... conclusions which vary in each and every case. The point I am making here is that I believe it is ultimately each of us, ourselves, who must be responsible for what we conclude (and perhaps remain ever open minded pending new information), but then there's the rub. As social beings... where do we draw the line when it comes to looking out for the vulnerable? The answer to this is still a dilemma for me.

But also... what I have seen is a maturation process in the alternative community. Originally, we saw emergence of the ground breakers who rose up to gain attention.

Whether we consider a Billy Meier or a Whitley Strieber as examples... their stories were of the "loan wolf" variety.

With the advent of the internet and in time, ground breaking endeavors such as Project Camelot and Bases (as examples), many, many more "witnesses," "whistle blowers," etc. appeared.

And then what has emerged is what I call "the mutual verification club" where one source "verifies" another sources information where a natural alliance is formed between the two. What we also have seen is these alliances usually do not last. In fact, in 99% of the cases, one party usually ends up going publicly against the other party.

In addition... along the way, groups form and then groups blow up. Usually these groups form around one or more "budding stars" who demonstrate much the same symptoms and behaviors as I described in my opening paragraph and who may have watched and learned from their predecessors such that have refined their "shtick" and appear "new and different" enough to convince some of the vulnerable that they may actually be "a real deal." (I am speaking from experience as a vulnerable here).

I have studied books about cults, specifically in regards to the formation of cults and I have found a great many similarities in these "groups" that have sprung forth and classic "cults." Too many for comfort.

In many cases, these groups behave as cliques which often end up behaving like lynch mobs that conduct "trial by internet" against anyone who may "wake up" with regards "the star" of the cult... especially if that awakened one was close to the star - someone I have referred to as "a member of the inner circle."

All in all, most folks who head down this road where they get close to the "guru" or "star" or "tag team duo" (such as Corey and Wilcock) end up in one of three positions - 1.) a total believer, 2.) an awakened one who... if they are able to recover from the abuse they exposed themselves to (what else can it be called when these uprisings are pure shams) or 3.) a witting sellout that concludes they receive some sort of benefit in exchange for compromising their integrity which they somehow justify in providing continuous support and protection for the fraud.

I sadly conclude that the alternative community has descended to such a level where all that I described above dominates the scene as it is today. I wish this were not the case.

[DebJoy]

This is beautiful about the Hawaii doctor. Thank you for sharing.


IMO, the reason the bad guys release these disinfo agents on us is to divert us away from doing what could scupper their plans. Goode and Wilcock are promoting the idea of the external savior and all we have to do is sit back and wait to be 'saved'.

So let's ask ourselves what should we be doing, that they don't want to do?

IMO we should each look within ourselves and work on cleaning out the crap we have accumulated and strive to be shining examples of Light. To change the world, we change ourselves. We need to heal ourselves, love ourselves and by extension, only then can we truly love others. And with love in our hearts, we unite with our fellow human beings and create the world we really want to live in. Think of the movie Avatar where the blue guys are in tune with others of their own species and their planet and all who live there.

Here's an example of what I mean:
http://zerolimits.info/


Two years ago, I heard about a therapist in Hawaii who cured a complete ward of criminally insane patients--without ever seeing any of them. The psychologist would study an inmate's chart and then look within himself to see how he created that person's illness. As he improved himself, the patient improved.

His name is Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len. ..... He explained that he worked at Hawaii State Hospital for four years. That ward where they kept the criminally insane was dangerous. Psychologists quit on a monthly basis. The staff called in sick a lot or simply quit. People would walk through that ward with their backs against the wall, afraid of being attacked by patients. It was not a pleasant place to live, work, or visit.

Dr. Len told me that he never saw patients. He agreed to have an office and to review their files. While he looked at those files, he would work on himself. As he worked on himself, patients began to heal.

"After a few months, patients that had to be shackled were being allowed to walk freely," he told me. "Others who had to be heavily medicated were getting off their medications. And those who had no chance of ever being released were being freed."

"Not only that," he went on, "but the staff began to enjoy coming to work. Absenteeism and turnover disappeared. We ended up with more staff than we needed because patients were being released, and all the staff was showing up to work. Today, that ward is closed."

"What were you doing within yourself that caused those people to change?"

"I was simply healing the part of me that created them," he said.

..... healing for him and in ho 'oponopono means loving yourself. If you want to improve your life, you have to heal your life. If you want to cure anyone--even a mentally ill criminal--you do it by healing you.

I asked Dr. Len how he went about healing himself. What was he doing, exactly, when he looked at those patients' files?

"I just kept saying, 'I'm sorry' and 'I love you' over and over again," he explained.

.... loving yourself is the greatest way to improve yourself, and as you improve yourself, your improve your world.

Let me refer you to that interview with the Dutch banker, Ronald Bernard, which is doing the rounds at the moment:
From 32 mins:

I tell people about this old American general who puts an entire room of people in the dark. The general doesn't say a word and suddenly he flicks on a lighter, one little light and due to the prolonged darkness, you experience a manifestation of light from a single point and everyone can slightly see each other again. And then he says, "That is the power of our light."
Unite. Unite. Come together and this entire **** story ceases to exist. That's how fast it could happen

What the bad guys do NOT want is for us to improve ourselves, to love ourselves and our fellow humans, to unite as one. So do not place your focus on these dog and pony shows. Instead, do what you can to make this world a better place such as showing kindness to others etc and let your inner light blaze through. Make like a Christmas tree rather than a blue avian fan waiting for the next episode of the Goode/Wilcock soap opera.

Note to Bill: Apologies for being long winded. Please delete if you think this is going too far off topic. Thank you.

[boolacalaca]

Whether anything Corey Goode says is true or not can be endlessly debated.
Concentrating on documentation and substantive proof of these topics
would be immensely more powerful than endless debate.

While it's good to call out people on their outright falsehoods and misrepresentations,
chasing them in a flurry of conjecture and speculation only lends them publicity --
and if they ARE false with nefarious motives, then publicity is the one thing they seek most,
either because it inflates their ego, their media presence, and their 15-minutes of fame importance
or because it benefits the weaponized disinformation agenda to marginalize our energies and our credibility
as a viable resource to bypass the engineered diversions on our way to the truth.

It's better to starve the fakes and feed the truth.
In time, all of the fakes fade as they show themselves for that they truly are
-- and eventually it does show.
"You will know them by their fruits."

In time, they all bear the fruit of their true intentions and the energy they put out.
Rather than giving Corey a higher platform by arguing throughout the alt-media all about him,
imagine what might be produced if that same energy went into networking our way
into valid document releases that expose the real scope of any secret space program.

We talk very intelligently about whether Corey Goode is a fake or not
but maybe we're missing the intelligent thing to do to advance what we say we're here for.

[Foxie Loxie]

Amen, Brother boolacalaca.....thanks for saying that! :highfive:

[Bill Ryan]

We talk very intelligently about whether Corey Goode is a fake or not
but maybe we're missing the intelligent thing to do to advance what we say we're here for.

Quite so. :thumbsup:

But, I'd suggest, the Corey thing merely informs the much more important, wider issues, that I'd argue affect us all.


What is research?
What constitutes evidence?
What constitutes valuable testimony?
How does one evaluate and make inferences from data?
What role does the social media have these days in muddying all those waters?
Why does any of this matter?

[Fellow Aspirant]

I always remember this ironic gem from the goode.... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74972-Don-t-Feed-The-Narcissistic-Psychopathic-and-Sadistic-TROLL-S---&highlight=TargeT)

good discernment lesson

Wow. Nice post, TargeT. I bailed from CG's threads when he attacked Bill. Reading this post you have linked to is fascinating (for as much of it as I could stomach - it seems like the full-blown, expolosive rantings of someone suffering from schizophrenia) and I immediately summed it up as being the epitomy of IRONY.

Thanks,
B.

[Nick07]

A year ago I was questioning if CG was legit or not because I thought DW was a smart man and wanted the truth out there. But after some help from Bill Ryan with opening my eyes to fact that CG is spreading lies, I am now unwilling to listen to anything these 2 dorks have to say.

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks to all for your various comments here. It's actually all pretty tricky, and there are many aspects of this to consider and hold in one's thoughts. As a kind of exercise, I'm using this post — which may be a long one! — to offer a very broad overview of all the issues which I think are connected and may be at play.

Here are the various major factors, and after this summary I'll try to drill down into each of them.

The military/intel agencies are smart, capable, and (unlike the other way round!) can track and read and hear everything that the UFO/ ET/ SSP (Secret Space Program) research community is discussing.

We already know, with overwhelming evidence over a period of decades, that the agencies fully intend to guard their secrets, for all the reasons (from their point of view) that have been well documented and understood. As Richard Dolan often says (and this is my paraphrase):




"Okay, you're Harry Truman, in July 1947, and this shocking report (re the Roswell crash recovery) lands on your desk. What would you do — at that point of history?"

We also know that there's compelling evidence that there's a controlled drip-feed of information (and disinformation) which is strategically planned to gradually acclimatize the public to this uncomfortable, and maybe traumatic, "we're being visited" reality — over several generations. (This is working: every kid who watches movies knows that ETs are real, and to them this is now obvious. :) )

So, how do they manage this process? Be aware that the best minds that money can buy have been assigned to this problem. (And, very likely, the best technology, too.)

There's a multi-step program (probably), all planned out across a 60-70 year timeline.


The disinformation (part truth, part fiction) keeps the research community confused, at war with itself (divide and conquer, as different researchers believe different things, different documents, or different people), and kind of spinning its wheels.



At the same time, there's a gradual drip-feed of real hints (or even nuggets!) of information, sometimes (but not always) mixed in with the nonsense. This does have the intended effect of slowly injecting all this into the popular culture.






* This isn't the subject of this post, but you can kind of see it all converging. What towards? Well, either a planned/intended disclosure sometime in the next few years — or (more likely) this could be safety-net insurance against a forced disclosure of some kind when the agencies lose their control... maybe because of some event that happens somewhere in the world that is unforeseen and out of human or agency hands.
So... about how the perceptions of the research community are manipulated. Of course they will be doing that. :)

Here are the aspects of that program:


The agencies will make false public statements. (Roswell debris = a weather balloon, etc.)
Some real documents will be released.
Some fake documents will be released. (And, the quality will be high and clever enough to fool many diligent investigators.)
Apart from releasing genuine documents, they don't really have to release real stories: they know that others will always be striving to do that anyway — so they kind of allow that to happen, as long as nothing too extreme gets released: like too much, too fast. Members of the public speaking out, genuine whistleblowers like those championed in the May 2001 Disclosure Project press conference, solid and detailed research such as Len Stringfield's most excellent work on crashed UFO recoveries... etc.
Fake stories will be released: and this is done through fake whistleblowers (of various kinds). We'll talk about that later. Not all fake whistleblowers are agents, plants, or knowingly lying. The most convincing witness is someone who totally believes what they are saying. (One such is Andy Basiago: he's the very nicest man, and is 100% sincere. But, importantly, that actually means nothing at all.)

A good analogy for all this is like the control rods on a nuclear reactor, which is a contained, slow, nuclear reaction. Like opening or closing the air-vent on a fireplace, adding or removing control rods keeps the reaction at a planned, 'safe', level.

Too much being released, and behind on the project plan? Take some control rods off. Getting too 'hot'? Add more control.

This post is really about the 'fake whistleblower' part of this whole landscape.

To drill down further, and expand on the above, there are several kinds of fake whistleblowers.


Those who have an innocently incorrect story, but (opportunistically) are promoted and 'pushed'. Maybe by 'fake researchers'... and there may well be some of those, too. (The only one who's ever admitted to this, in my opinion a huge act of personal courage, was William (Bill) Moore, who at a MUFON conference in 1989 admitted on stage that he had agreed to be a disinformant.)
Those who are lying and paid (or otherwise consciously compromised, such as through other rewards, or threats, blackmail, etc).
Those who believe their own false stories — because (in crude terms) they've been 'messed with'.

Now, it's not the purpose of this post, either, to go into HOW the 'messing with' might work. But, for anyone who's interested, watch, listen to or read anything presented by Dr Robert Duncan. What can be done to people remotely to influence their thoughts, feelings, emotions, perceptions and even memories is almost literally terrifying. (Avalon member Omnisense (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?3906-Omnisense) has also posted much on this topic, as have many others.)

What I'd like to focus on now is when a 'fake whistleblower' might come under suspicion to be one. This breaks down into two parts:


Look at the person.
Look at the information.

Here are the questions to ask. It's like a kind of checklist. A very useful reference is this time-tested way that agencies evaluate information coming from an informant or a source.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_source_and_information_reliability

Here's the schema:

http://projectavalon.net/Source_reliability_and_Information_reliability.gif

If the agencies, who are smart and have a great deal of experience, use this format, maybe we should, too. :)

1) The person.


Are they being 'rewarded' or 'punished' for speaking out?
Do they have a history of telling the truth?
Are there any reasons to doubt their integrity and honest intentions? (Do their actions match with their words?)
Does their personal history check out? (Are they who they say they are?)

2) The information.


Is their information self-consistent? (Do they ever change or embellish their testimony?)
Does their information correlate with, or confirm, other information from independent sources?
If their information doesn't correlate with other reports, is it credible (meaning reasonably feasible to open-minded and informed people), or does it seem to contradict what's generally known and understood, even by open-minded researchers?

I'd now like to talk about two whistleblowers whose stories and history I know quite well. They are very different personalities, and (I think) very different cases. But, I submit that they are both 'fake whistleblowers'. But how they got there might not be on the same path.

Andrew Basiago.

I was the first person to interview Andy Basiago about his story, in February 2007, in an unrecorded 4-hour phone call. He recounted, in great detail, the teleportation experiments he was part of when he was a child — an operation called Project Pegasus. He named names and locations. He was sane, grounded, articulate, detailed, consistent, and earnest. At that time he had no intention of going public, as he felt the potential damage to himself would be too great. I found myself believing his extraordinary story.

Then — I think maybe a year later, or soon after that — he started taking about his visits to Mars. His already extreme story fell of the edge of the cliff and became outlandish. He stated that Obama had been on Mars, too, and consistently talked about a 'jumproom' by which he got there.

But what Andy didn't appear to know was that the term 'jumproom' was entirely my own creation. That's not what it's actually called. The testimony of Camelot Witness 'Henry Deacon' (Arthur Neumann) — which he revealed after the publication of my important video conversation with David Wilcock called Jumproom to Mars — was that the wormhole/stargate device that's used is actually called 'The Corridor'. (For authentic, if halting, testimony on all this, do see this important video: http://avalonlibrary.net/Henry Deacon - 2013 Conference Presentation on Time Travel and Mars.mp4 (http://avalonlibrary.net/Henry Deacon - 2013 Conference Presentation on Time Travel and Mars.mp4))

As I said above, Andy is the very nicest person, and utterly and sincerely believes his (now embellished and augmented) story. But it had changed after I initially talked with him in Feb 2007. He'd never 'been to Mars', then. That part of his testimony was only added later. Yet Andy's whole presentation is that it's like he always knew this.

His 'memory' has been overlaid with something that never occurred. And Andy has no clue that this is what's happened to him.

Why? Go figure. Probably (in my opinion)


To discredit his own true story about Project Pegasus and teleportation.
To discredit other whistleblowers (like Henry Deacon) who really HAD been to Mars.

Now, to Corey Goode.

As I spelled out in my post #1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1148567&viewfull=1#post1148567) of this thread, Corey fails many (if not all) of these tests. Let's look.

1) The person.


Are they being 'rewarded' or 'punished' for speaking out?
He's being rewarded. With status, prestige, and money. As many others have pointed out, would Ed Snowden get his own TV show on Gaia? How about the long list of others who have tried to tell their truths and have been severely punished, harassed, or killed, for their courage? Nothing here makes any sense — except that he's being allowed (or assisted) to promote 'helpful' false stories.



Do they have a history of telling the truth?
In Corey's case, there are known discrepancies (apart from those which are strongly suspected). Two are:

Corey claimed he was an IT specialist. Real IT specialists — Ilie Pandia, one of the highly skilled Avalon forum administrators (supported by Paul Jackson, another) had the opportunity to be witness to Corey's IT skills at close hand, and flagged that there was something badly wrong with his claims. Corey is not skilled in IT at all.
Corey has claimed on Gaia that prior to going public with his story, he was earning 'a 6 figure salary'. This is false. When he was interviewed by Christine Anderson in Sept-Oct 2014, at his Dallas home, Corey was unemployed, on disability, and on medication.


Are there any reasons to doubt their integrity and honest intentions? (Do their actions match with their words?)
Again as reported in my post #1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1148567&viewfull=1#post1148567) (with links on the public record, from his wife Stacy, former Avalon member SilverPhoenix), Corey by December 2014 had been sent a '70-page intel dossier' on myself, and another dossier on one other unnamed person. He was at that time holding this over me as a kind of threat, implying he might release it. He made several references to that in a now-taken-down blog, which very virulently (and very inaccurately) attacked the entirety of Project Avalon and also myself. His simultaneous statements elsewhere, espousing kindness, forgiveness and charity were most inconsistent with his behind-the-scenes behavior and actions. I'll say it straight, though this doesn't impact directly on the veracity of his stories — just the consistency of his presentation of himself: he is really not a very nice person.



Does their personal history check out? (Are they who they say they are?)
Yes, Corey seems to have a history that can be checked, though quite a bit remains clouded: he does have secure access, for instance, to the FBI database, something which he told me in person in Oct 2014, and I have this in writing. That, and his being sent a 70-page dossier on myself and another on another person, confirm that he is intel-connected. In the important screenshot, in which he stated he was 'on the payroll', he also made reference to 'a superior'. These pieces all suggest strongly that there are aspects to Corey's background that he has never revealed.

http://projectavalon.net/Corey_Goode_payroll_screenshot.gif

2) The information.


Is their information self-consistent? (Do they ever change or embellish their testimony?)
Not consistent at all. Once he was contracted to Gaia TV, his story became enormously embellished, with a huge amount of additional claimed information that (like Andy Basiago's case above) was never once mentioned in his initial interview — the unedited raw audio of which was nervous, halting, hesitant, not very articulate, not very detailed, and not very confident.
(Again, as per my post #1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1148567&viewfull=1#post1148567), I was told by someone who claimed to be intel-connected — and this of course cannot be verified — that a remotely-activated covert intel surveillance video existed, captured in Jan 2015, of Corey and Stacy planning in their home what invented stories they would present to David Wilcock.)



Does their information correlate with, or confirm, other information from independent sources?
No. In the entire library of UFO/ET contactee and abductee reports, not to mention those from other intel whistleblowers, claimed or real, no reference has even been made to beings presenting themselves as 'Blue Avians'. Logically, this is a vast flaw. It's like someone claiming that the Roswell aliens had 8 fingers on each hand. (Most say 4, and a few say 6. NONE have ever said 8. What this means, simply, is that a new Roswell witness claiming he'd categorically seen 8-fingered alien bodies, should indeed be substantially doubted.)



If their information doesn't correlate with other reports, is it credible (meaning reasonably feasible to open-minded and informed people), or does it seem to contradict what's generally known and understood, even by open-minded researchers?
There's more and more... too much to go into here. The claimed arrival in our solar system of '100 Jupiter- (or even Neptune!) -sized spheres' — which are invisible and undetectable — is logically meaningless. It's like my saying there's a green elephant in the room we're both talking in, sitting there in the corner, but it's invisible, and you can't see it or sense it, and you simply have to take my word for it. That's not testimony. That's an unsubstantiatable and unprovable claim.

As I mentioned, the detailed analysis and deconstruction of all Corey's claimed testimony (and Andy Basiago's, too — let alone that of a number of other fake whistleblowers who I've not even mentioned here) would take thousands of words.

The attempted purpose of this post is to put this saga into a wider, important context. It's about research, it's about truth, and it's about why this matters. It's also about how to think, and how to evaluate both sources and information. Even so, this is a bare introduction.

You see, contrary to what some have tried to claim, this is not personal. I don't go about attacking other people, and everyone who knows me personally knows that. But, as I said in my post #1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1148567&viewfull=1#post1148567):

I do stand for the truth, and that's very important to me — and it should be to you reading this, too.

:star:

[Mike]

Hi Bill, thanks for that.:thumbsup:

Couple questions:

1) what makes you so certain that Corey had access to the fbi database? What did you have in writing suggesting this? Who wrote it? What did it say?

2) are you certain Corey had this dossier on you? If so, why?


Im not attempting to challenge you here or anything...just curious. Thanks

[Keith]

...and in the morning had no memory of what he’d done, though everything was there on his own computer and that of another person.


How is it known that "everything was there on his own computer..."?

[Kerry Cassidy]

Bill and forum members,

I have read Bill's statement regarding Corey Goode and some of the problems with his testimony and dealings with others that seem to indicate that he has not been honest with the public and that his story may also be at least partially fabricated or simply an implanted memory. I don’t see any point in attacking him however and will not do so.

I am not going to go into the interactions I have had with Corey in the very early days (a few years ago) when he contacted me asking if I would interview him. But I will say that while Bill Ryan has every right to make public his own views and research about Corey and his claims, he does not have the right to make statements on my behalf and without my permission about what he assumes I think or what I have told him in confidence.

There are many people in this sector who are highly suspect and many people who are telling the truth as they see it and still many more with implanted or false memories. There are people who are playing to the audience and lying outright with full knowledge that they are doing so. There are agents, assets who are in essence working for intelligence agents and paid trolls as well as unbalanced and unprincipled people as well.

Some whistleblowers may be telling the truth and others, motivated by a myriad of human failings, may be lying or combining the two in order to save their own lives and still get the truth out. While I am sorry that Rich Dolan and Bill Ryan find whistleblowers to be ‘unreliable’ and that Farrell and Fitts prefer “research and documentation” I have to say that this in no way addresses the true value of whistleblower testimony.

Whistleblowers are, in my view, in a world of lies and secrecy, our lifeline to what is really going on. And many whistleblowers (who are very human with human idiosyncrasies and failings) are risking their lives and many have been killed for their attempts to get the truth to humanity. At least 2 Camelot whistleblowers have been killed and possibly more. Several have been silenced. Some have simply gone back to work for the secret space program or black projects. Others, like Norm Bergrun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHmgZymhJL8&t=25s) have disappeared and presumably gone back to work for them. Others have had family members die mysteriously or suddenly and the list goes on. Whistleblowing is clearly not good for your health. But it is vital.

To attack as unreliable whistleblower testimony is the same thing as attacking all HUMAN testimony. Yes humans can be manipulated and deceived and have diabolical aims but they can also be dedicated and truthful and sacrifice their own lives for their fellow man (or woman). Making a blanket statement about “whistleblower” testimony is no more meaningful than to say all politicians lie and all judges and juries are deluded and misled.

Whistleblowers are like those in any other walk of life. Some are truthful and some are not. Some believe what they tell people and some lie with impunity.

As an investigative journalist, documentary filmmaker specializing in whistleblower testimony for over 11 years I can say that there are many ways to tell if a person is lying. Investigating their claims is one of them. Cross-correlating testimony is another. Facial reads and behavioral “tells” often reveal an attempt to deceive consciously. Or unconsciously. And so on… My point is that it is up to us to do the work necessary to tell truth from falsity.

Considering that humans are the predominant species on this planet albeit with mixed heredity and DNA from many other species it is important to recognize that the consensus reality or Matrix we live in is geared to make humans suspect each other before they look to other races such as Reptilians, whose influence over the Illuminati thought forms is extensive. It is part of the Controllers agenda to get humans to see each other as the enemy first!

Documents are notoriously unreliable. We all know that documentation can be faked (like the birth certificates of Presidents) as well as photos and videos (see the Kennedy assassination altered Zapruder film and my interview with Mike Sparks and James Fetzer re Zapruder Film New Evidence (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVhwRuKmtsM&t=1s)) and of course there’s 911 (tv images of planes appearing to hit the twin towers) and so on. I often find it interesting and puzzling that humans will believe a piece of paper or a film or the TV but suspect another human as lying when humans are the ones creating the film and documents in the first place!

College or university educations, degrees and so-called authority figures are all suspect and no guarantee you are getting the truth. Titles and large salaries are no proof of anything other than perhaps of the Controller’s approval or backing of someone… Wall Street is full of people who lie for a living and make money deceiving the public as we know.

My point is that we humans have been taught to first believe outside authorities, documents, organizations and people with money and in the top echelons of power before we believe each other. We are told from birth to follow rules and regulations that are supposedly “good for us” drafted by those in positions of power when time and again we find we have been lied to and misled for an agenda most people have no awareness of.

I do however think it is important for people to weigh the evidence and quality of the testimony we are given and use our hearts and minds to see what resonates and what does not. I firmly believe humans are psychic and precogs by nature and that we can discern the truth where we find it. And as I have said many times, the truth is not served in this reality anyway, on a silver platter. It is up to us to learn to exercise discernment as we journey on our path. And life is an exploration of consciousness.

KERRY CASSIDY
PROJECT CAMELOT
http://projectcamelotportal.com
May 1, 2017

[onawah]

So true, especially this:

it is important to recognize that the consensus reality or Matrix we live in is geared to make humans suspect each other before they look to other races such as Reptilians, whose influence over the Illuminati thought forms is extensive. It is part of the Controllers agenda to get humans to see each other as the enemy first!

Relying on intellect alone will leave you just as high and dry as relying on intuition alone. Both must be refined and used in conjunction, but in the final analysis, I will rely on my intuition first, as intuition is much harder to fool.
Otherwise spiritual masters would not work on developing it so much.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill, thanks for that.:thumbsup:

Couple questions:

1) what makes you so certain that Corey had access to the fbi database? What did you have in writing suggesting this? Who wrote it? What did it say?

2) are you certain Corey had this dossier on you? If so, why?

I'm not attempting to challenge you here or anything...just curious. Thanks


He told me.
He told me.

:)

[norman]

We have to respect each other for sure.

How will we ever know it's the truth?

The truther 'community' has become a path of least resistance for lies. How ironic is that ?

[Bill Ryan]

...Corey and Bill Tompkins, if memory serves, he stated he had issues w/both these alleged whistle-blowers. Rich did not get into any specifics as to either one of these men and their stories. He simply stated he could not validate either one of them. He stated he would not publish Tompkins' book; stated he wouldn't touch it.

But here's the thing: WHY. Rich stated there were just too many issues w/Tompkins' story to get 'into' during that lecture. I take issue w/that. If he's going to state, on the record, before a number of people, that he cannot validate Tompkins' story, then he at least owes his listening audience a few examples as to WHY. He doesn't need to go into a diatribe about some of that, but at least give a modicum of reasons as to why he has issues w/Tompkins' story.

Watch the video: it's here at 3:52:35, at the very end of the whole video. He was responding to a question from the audience, under pressure of time, in the closing minutes of a long lecture.

He said (exactly):





As far as Bill Tompkins and Corey Goode, I’ll just say, hopefully without making enemies, I’m not really on board with either of those scenarios.

I did have the opportunity to read Bill Tompkins’ text. I was offered the opportunity to publish it, which I declined. So if you ever wonder if I’m just out for the money, you’ll know that I'm not, because I could have made good money on that book. It’s selling quite well.

But I could not EVER, in good conscience, publish that book. I just find way too much that’s questionable about it, and I would not EVER want to associate my name with it.

That doesn’t mean that I don’t believe there’s a secret space program. As I’ve said, I do believe in one. I just don’t believe in his. There are too many historical inaccuracies and anomalies to bother going into.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTzFVOVioR4

[Sierra]

We have to respect each other for sure.

How will we ever know it's the truth?

The truther 'community' has become a path of least resistance for lies. How ironic is that ?

I think Bill's description of what good interviewers look for hits the mark here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1149787&viewfull=1#post1149787

And here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1149930&viewfull=1#post1149930

However, I disagree with Kerry's inference that either Bill or the forum members attacked Corey. On the contrary, it was Corey who attacked us. All the threads, the posts, the timeline of events, the inconsistencies found, and analyzed, Corey's own words, are still there.

I also disagree that to question whistleblowers is a form of attack. Truth is the point, and truthful questions, with truthful answers, forming a congruent picture, is how we get there. When either party or parties don't or can't consistently contribute truth, people sit up and notice, and ask even more questions. Opinions get expressed, arguments can ensue. It is the nature of the beast. We are a public forum, and as with a herd of cats, good luck, and that there is some agreement as to what constitutes courtesy, and a good contribution.

Given the inherent nature of a public forum, I think Project Avalon is one of the best member forums out there, for getting to truth. Absolutely one of the best. So... Oldtimers already know how much tripe is out there, and to keep silence does not do favors for anyone, except a whistleblower who does not deserve the accolade_that_very_often_comes_with_death if one is actually a whistleblower. Silence implies consent.

Sure, I understand Kerry's perspective. Kerry interviews whistleblowers. But we are not interviewers, we are forum members of an Internet forum, and to ask forum members curtail their opinions, intuitions, and analysis of any whistleblower's validity, is not going to fly.

[AutumnW]

Bill and forum members,

I have read Bill's statement regarding Corey Goode and some of the problems with his testimony and dealings with others that seem to indicate that he has not been honest with the public and that his story may also be at least partially fabricated or simply an implanted memory. I don’t see any point in attacking him however and will not do so.

I am not going to go into the interactions I have had with Corey in the very early days (a few years ago) when he contacted me asking if I would interview him. But I will say that while Bill Ryan has every right to make public his own views and research about Corey and his claims, he does not have the right to make statements on my behalf and without my permission about what he assumes I think or what I have told him in confidence.

There are many people in this sector who are highly suspect and many people who are telling the truth as they see it and still many more with implanted or false memories. There are people who are playing to the audience and lying outright with full knowledge that they are doing so. There are agents, assets who are in essence working for intelligence agents and paid trolls as well as unbalanced and unprincipled people as well.

Some whistleblowers may be telling the truth and others, motivated by a myriad of human failings, may be lying or combining the two in order to save their own lives and still get the truth out. While I am sorry that Rich Dolan and Bill Ryan find whistleblowers to be ‘unreliable’ and that Farrell and Fitts prefer “research and documentation” I have to say that this in no way addresses the true value of whistleblower testimony.

Whistleblowers are, in my view, in a world of lies and secrecy, our lifeline to what is really going on. And many whistleblowers (who are very human with human idiosyncrasies and failings) are risking their lives and many have been killed for their attempts to get the truth to humanity. At least 2 Camelot whistleblowers have been killed and possibly more. Several have been silenced. Some have simply gone back to work for the secret space program or black projects. Others, like Norm Bergrun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHmgZymhJL8&t=25s) have disappeared and presumably gone back to work for them. Others have had family members die mysteriously or suddenly and the list goes on. Whistleblowing is clearly not good for your health. But it is vital.

To attack as unreliable whistleblower testimony is the same thing as attacking all HUMAN testimony. Yes humans can be manipulated and deceived and have diabolical aims but they can also be dedicated and truthful and sacrifice their own lives for their fellow man (or woman). Making a blanket statement about “whistleblower” testimony is no more meaningful than to say all politicians lie and all judges and juries are deluded and misled.

Whistleblowers are like those in any other walk of life. Some are truthful and some are not. Some believe what they tell people and some lie with impunity.

As an investigative journalist, documentary filmmaker specializing in whistleblower testimony for over 11 years I can say that there are many ways to tell if a person is lying. Investigating their claims is one of them. Cross-correlating testimony is another. Facial reads and behavioral “tells” often reveal an attempt to deceive consciously. Or unconsciously. And so on… My point is that it is up to us to do the work necessary to tell truth from falsity.

Considering that humans are the predominant species on this planet albeit with mixed heredity and DNA from many other species it is important to recognize that the consensus reality or Matrix we live in is geared to make humans suspect each other before they look to other races such as Reptilians, whose influence over the Illuminati thought forms is extensive. It is part of the Controllers agenda to get humans to see each other as the enemy first!

Documents are notoriously unreliable. We all know that documentation can be faked (like the birth certificates of Presidents) as well as photos and videos (see the Kennedy assassination altered Zapruder film and my interview with Mike Sparks and James Fetzer re Zapruder Film New Evidence (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVhwRuKmtsM&t=1s)) and of course there’s 911 (tv images of planes appearing to hit the twin towers) and so on. I often find it interesting and puzzling that humans will believe a piece of paper or a film or the TV but suspect another human as lying when humans are the ones creating the film and documents in the first place!

College or university educations, degrees and so-called authority figures are all suspect and no guarantee you are getting the truth. Titles and large salaries are no proof of anything other than perhaps of the Controller’s approval or backing of someone… Wall Street is full of people who lie for a living and make money deceiving the public as we know.

My point is that we humans have been taught to first believe outside authorities, documents, organizations and people with money and in the top echelons of power before we believe each other. We are told from birth to follow rules and regulations that are supposedly “good for us” drafted by those in positions of power when time and again we find we have been lied to and misled for an agenda most people have no awareness of.

I do however think it is important for people to weigh the evidence and quality of the testimony we are given and use our hearts and minds to see what resonates and what does not. I firmly believe humans are psychic and precogs by nature and that we can discern the truth where we find it. And as I have said many times, the truth is not served in this reality anyway, on a silver platter. It is up to us to learn to exercise discernment as we journey on our path. And life is an exploration of consciousness.

KERRY CASSIDY
PROJECT CAMELOT
http://projectcamelotportal.com
May 1, 2017

Though it may be true that humans have some innate psychic and precognitive ability, it is hardly failsafe and I would hate to rely on a judicial system that ignored rules of evidence in favor of what jurors sensed, felt or intuited.

Alien mind control isn't a reasonable explanation for basic human deviance and the suspicion it arouses. I guess it can happen. It's an interesting idea. But I would be way more inclined to think someone was flat out lying to me.

[AutumnW]

So true, especially this:

it is important to recognize that the consensus reality or Matrix we live in is geared to make humans suspect each other before they look to other races such as Reptilians, whose influence over the Illuminati thought forms is extensive. It is part of the Controllers agenda to get humans to see each other as the enemy first!

Relying on intellect alone will leave you just as high and dry as relying on intuition alone. Both must be refined and used in conjunction, but in the final analysis, I will rely on my intuition first, as intuition is much harder to fool.
Otherwise spiritual masters would not work on developing it so much.

Onawah, psychopaths can do end runs around the intuitive process. They are very skilled at it. they have to be caught out through a logical investigative process that involves fact checking, first and foremost.

[Mike]

Hi Bill, thanks for that.:thumbsup:

Couple questions:

1) what makes you so certain that Corey had access to the fbi database? What did you have in writing suggesting this? Who wrote it? What did it say?

2) are you certain Corey had this dossier on you? If so, why?

I'm not attempting to challenge you here or anything...just curious. Thanks


He told me.
He told me.

:)




well, okay:)

i guess i'm wondering why you'd believe him!:confused:

[Atlas]

[...] Absolutely one of the best. So...
Best of the Best (1989)
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[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill, thanks for that.:thumbsup:

Couple questions:

1) what makes you so certain that Corey had access to the fbi database? What did you have in writing suggesting this? Who wrote it? What did it say?

2) are you certain Corey had this dossier on you? If so, why?

I'm not attempting to challenge you here or anything...just curious. Thanks



He told me.
He told me.

:)



well, okay:)

i guess i'm wondering why you'd believe him!:confused:

1: The FBI database:

This is our Skype text conversation from 10 Oct, 2014:

10:36 COREY
I know now that I am not on a danger/watch list... I was approved for the "Higher Access Content" after the FBI Interview Call for Infragard.

10:36 COREY
Applicant Vetting



InfraGard is an organization dedicated to the protection of the United States and the American people. In order to maintain a level of trust within the membership, all applicants undergo a background check performed by the FBI. For this reason InfraGard membership is currently limited to United States citizens. Applications are then screened according to a defined criteria and then passed to the local chapter for final acceptance (individual chapters may have more strict criteria).

The following United States Government-issued Security Clearances are Qualified Substitutes for the records check required for InfraGard Membership:

Confidential
Secret
Top Secret

An InfraGard Applicant/Member may submit evidence of their possession of one of the above clearances to expedite the initial processing and periodic renewal of their InfraGard Membership.
10:37 COREY
The DOD card I had that [name given, but redacted by Bill] had that held my clearance that I didn't know what it was must have been hight enough for such an expidited membership.

10:38 COREY
http://infragardmembers.org - "Contact Us" link...

10:47 Bill
Well, that's good!

10:48 Bill
(You should look me up, too :bigsmile: )

10:52 COREY
:)

10:53 COREY
learning how to use all the tools, also my actions are tracked so want to take it easy at first. Want to get advice from friend that is member w/this clearance so I dont raise flags right off.

10:53 COREY
I clicked and was IN the freaking FBI database a few minutes ago... I logged out right away... there was a questionair on purpose, all kinds of criteria...

10:54 COREY
Yipes... so i hve to b careful at first... wise.


2: The Dossier:

I never saw the dossier, as Corey never released it. But it's described in full in this post below, by his wife Stacy (username SilverPhoenix). That was when its existence first came to light: she was out of control, and (from Corey's point of view) saying way too much.

Corey later also mentioned it several times online in his (now redacted) blog, starting on Dec 20, 2014, a few days after he had left the forum, continuing till at least 10 Jan 2015.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78030-Posts-Censored-and-Removed-because-of-Entity-and-Scientology-References&p=913151&viewfull=1#post913151

Do read, maybe with interest, and also possibly with some degree of horror.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill and forum members,
[ ... ]


Kerry, many thanks. That was a most excellently written post.

You may not have read my own post (#98) just a few hours prior to yours, here:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1149930&viewfull=1#post1149930

You see, what I'm really doing is using the Corey Goode situation as a kind of case study, containing just about all the factors one might imagine as problems, which informs the wider, and more important, issue.

That issue is the gradual (but increasing) infiltration and erosion of the alternative research community.

As researchers and 'whistleblowers' ourselves, we have a duty to tell our truth — as well.

We, too, are truthtellers. Not just messengers. It goes both ways. :)

[7alon]

I don't think this is particularly useful information, but I have seen flashes of Corey holding his head with both hands. The bottom of his palms were pressed against his temples, as if trying to deal with the pain of something. I don't know much about mind control, but it could be something to do with that.. or he could just have a really bad headache lol. All I know is, I just see him gritting his teeth, sitting in a chair in front of a desk... not really tucked into the desk, but further back, facing to the right on a 45 degree angle. Seems like whatever it is I saw is pretty painful.. like migraine or worse.

The woman that does Bombard's Body language seems to think that his body language suggests he believes the things he is saying in a video she watched. This could be maybe when he is speaking about the truthful aspect of any disinformation he is giving. It could also mean he is under the influence of mind control and has different things he is programmed to do. Maybe one part of his mind is programmed to tell a story, then somebody could simply trigger another part of his mind to attack people in the community, only for him to not remember.

All very strange to me either way.

[Jake]

Bill and forum members,
[ ... ]


Kerry, many thanks. That was a most excellently written post.

You may not have read my own post (#98) just a few hours prior to yours, here:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1149930&viewfull=1#post1149930

You see, what I'm really doing is using the Corey Goode situation as a kind of case study, containing just about all the factors one might imagine as problems, which informs the wider, and more important, issue.

That issue is the gradual (but increasing) infiltration and erosion of the alternative research community.

As researchers and 'whistleblowers' ourselves, we have a duty to tell our truth — as well.

We, too, are truthtellers. Not just messengers. It goes both ways. :)

A most excellent point, Bravo. When we expose a lie, we expose the truth,, sort of 'set it free'... likewise, when we expose a truth, we expose the lie.. This particular 'case study' can be used as a navigational tool for future study. We are in a whirlwind. If you step back and look, the whirlwind does the most damage at the bottom, where it touches the ground... That is where we are... THE GROUND CREW... exposing the truth is not easy, it is hard... going after the obvious lie is harder,,, in a whirlwind... The dark ages were not considered Dark because they didn't have electricity or light. It was because of the suppression of information and knowledge... my friends, these dark ages are NOT over... thus, the whirlwind of dis-info,, and the struggle (and pain) of documenting the truth...

There is a 'hangover' from folks who have left behind their belief system in search of another... I can see that folks want/need a savior figure... I have never had that problem myself.. but I see that it plagues the exopolitical world...

Bill, you are more than a truthteller, you are a you are a sovereign person, a good leader, and you have a cool hat... :) (that's gotta account for something) :):):)

I will honour the friendship I once had with Corey by holding a safe spot for him. If he would ever come clean, I would be there for him... though I won't hold mee breath...


Love to all,,
Jake

[onawah]

Yes, and that can also be said of the intellectual process. So take your pick!

So true, especially this:

it is important to recognize that the consensus reality or Matrix we live in is geared to make humans suspect each other before they look to other races such as Reptilians, whose influence over the Illuminati thought forms is extensive. It is part of the Controllers agenda to get humans to see each other as the enemy first!

Relying on intellect alone will leave you just as high and dry as relying on intuition alone. Both must be refined and used in conjunction, but in the final analysis, I will rely on my intuition first, as intuition is much harder to fool.
Otherwise spiritual masters would not work on developing it so much.

Onawah, psychopaths can do end runs around the intuitive process. They are very skilled at it. they have to be caught out through a logical investigative process that involves fact checking, first and foremost.

[Bill Ryan]

...and in the morning had no memory of what he’d done, though everything was there on his own computer and that of another person.


How is it known that "everything was there on his own computer..."?

I believe, but am not certain (I'd need to check all the records) that he told us, but denied it was him. He appeared to be genuine... all indications were that he had no memory of what he'd done.

[DbDraad]

Thanks for this thread, to all who chipped in. I like reading David and Corey's stuff, but there are lots of things I'm certainly not prepared to swallow just yet. Age regression and time travel being the major ones. Healing to make you live exponentially longer for sure, but wiping 20 years without anyone the wiser? For that I would like hard evidence, thanx!

[Chester]

Hi Kerry, if memories have been implanted (like perhaps in the case of a Corey), then what could explain the significant story changes of essential details of 'critically important to his story meme' subjects where this occurred often and extensively in Corey's early days and in fact was documented by many, one of these documenters had a document of these 'faux pas' that s/he had created from the monitoring of Corey over a three or so month period that began around April of 2015 where the document extended almost a 100 pages and covered only a month of story changes (primarily post editings).

The parsimonious explanation is that someone who has the same imaginative capability as so many successful science fiction writers do who we know participated in this community greatly and for years likely parlayed a desire to be 'famous' with a fantasy they might not have to do real work for a living into convincing what conscience they may have that to try to be the next Simon Parkes is worth a try?

It seems an odds on favorite that once Wilcock saw Corey as a potential career booster and Corey saw Wilcock as a ticket to various goals such as fame, financial independence and... the feeding of a need for the kind of attention a savior type figure might achieve, that Corey decided he needed to listen to Wilcock like a young NFL player might listen to his coach such that he not only makes the team, bur remains on the team and has the chance to become a star.

[Gaia]

Habituellement je ne fais pas dans les deux langues lors d'un post ou commentaire sur Avalon mais disons que pour cette fois je déroge un peu...

Usually I do not do in both languages ​​during a post or comment on Avalon but let's say that for this time I derogate a little ...

Le problème avec l'internet, c'est que nous avons accès à beaucoup d'informations. Cependant, il est difficile de comprendre ce qu'est la vérité par rapport à la fiction. Je pourrais vous donner en exemple de nombreux sites francophones qui relaient sans se poser aucune question les commentaires et vidéos de Corey Goode. Ces derniers relaient les sornettes de Corey... malheureusement.

Depuis l'âge de 13 ans, et ce depuis ma rencontre du 2 eme type que je m'intéresse aux phénomènes ovnis et paranormal. Depuis cette fatidique date de juillet 1979, je fais de la recherche, et jamais à ce jour je n'ai vu et entendu quelque chose d'aussi absurde et grotesque que l'histoire de Corey Goode. Je ne peut croire que ce dernier a une telle audience et mise à part Bill Ryan, personne n'est sensible à la véracité des dires de Corey Goode. J'ai vu passer cette semaine des vidéos de défense de Corey sur Youtube. Svp passer votre chemin car cela n'en vaut pas la peine croyez-moi.

Si quelqu'un vous dit que Bill fait une cabale contre Corey, il n'en est rien. Je suis une vieille membre de ce forum et je fais appel à tout les anciens de ce forum qui confirmeront la même chose que moi. Apportez votre voix svp!

The problem with the internet is that we have access to a lot of information. However, it is difficult to understand what truth and fiction are. I could give you an example of many francophone sites that relay without asking any questions the comments and videos of Corey Goode. They all believes in these nonsense ... unfortunately.

Since the age of 13 since my encounter of the 2 nd type I am interested in UFO and paranormal phenomena. Since that fateful date of July 1979 I do research, and never so far have I seen and heard anything as absurd and grotesque as the story of Corey Goode. I can not believe that he has such an audience and apart from Bill Ryan, no one is aware of the truthfulness of what Corey Goode said. I saw Corey's defense videos on Youtube this week. Please go your way because it's not worth it. Combattez la vérité et le non-sens!

If someone tells you that Bill is doing a cabal against Corey, it is not.

I am an old member of this forum and I appeal to all the elders of this forum who will confirm the same thing as me. Please bring your voice! Fight the nonsense!

[PurpleLama]

Just had this passed to me on another board, Corey responds to this thread....

http://sitsshow.blogspot.ca/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html?m=1#more

[Gaia]

Just had this passed to me on another board, Corey responds to this thread....

http://sitsshow.blogspot.ca/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html?m=1#more

:violin:

''Out of over 300,000 fans, there are less than 50 detractors on Avalon. To call this a noisy minority would be an understatement.''

I'm one of them. '' the 50 detractors '' :happythumbsup: Proudly !!!

Narcissist and sociopath individuals....:rolleyes:... !:haha: :bolt: NO!!!

[norman]

Just had this passed to me on another board, Corey responds to this thread....

http://sitsshow.blogspot.ca/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html?m=1#more


Before all this kicks off again I want to say this:

I want answers, not a front row seat at a fight.

[Atlas]

From Corey Goode Responds to Claims Made by Bill Ryan (http://sitsshow.blogspot.com/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html)

Ryan further claims that the same intelligence agent contact sent a screenshot of a skype conversation between the agent and yourself, wherein you said "you are now on the payroll... so am I.. it is what it is." Since the original release of Ryan's article, some have come forward refuting the screenshot as a forgery, saying your chat messages were altered. Did you actually send this message and is what appears the image your words? If so, how do you explain what these mean? How do you respond?

Goode: I did speak w/Shane in skype until DW and I caught him in a number of fabrications. The conversation in question was edited somehow, but some of the terms were used. We were talking about how we thought were done with all of these programs. Being forced "back on the payroll" is a way of saying that I was being forced back into working with these groups again in an [sic] professional like status. This was taken and made to look like I was being paid by the powers that be. I have never been paid to be in the SSP "Programs," nor am I now. I have never received any payments from the powers that be. This statement was taken out of context to purposely make me look like an agent by either Shane or BR.

[mojo]

much more important, wider issues, that I'd argue affect us all.
What is research?
What constitutes evidence?
What constitutes valuable testimony?
How does one evaluate and make inferences from data?
What role does the social media have these days in muddying all those waters?
Why does any of this matter?

In looking at these questions, maybe Corey is the template for inspiring all of us to do better job in our research/understanding? It's not a personal attack anymore as there will always be another Corey behind the next amazing testimony. In looking at this case there are other people that should be saying something in response like Wilcock, whom should be held more accountable as he is/was a spokesperson that carries weight in the publics eye. He never really explained why he was so on-board with the testimony without seeing an iota of proof or at least any in the public archive. And there's so many things he could have done to provide any evidence. So in this regard years later, it's still a challenge to Goode as well, help us to accept and validate an amazing testimony.

[DeDukshyn]

Just had this passed to me on another board, Corey responds to this thread....

http://sitsshow.blogspot.ca/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html?m=1#more

:violin:

''Out of over 300,000 fans, there are less than 50 detractors on Avalon. To call this a noisy minority would be an understatement.''

I'm one of them. '' the 50 detractors '' :happythumbsup: Proudly !!!

Narcissist and sociopath individuals....:rolleyes:... !:haha: :bolt: NO!!!

Apparently, Corey is suggesting that what he says is true, and important, because he has "fans" ...? WTH? Charles Manson also has fans ... just sayin'. It was a very interesting choice of words to use and position to attempt to leverage. Yes agreed ... A clear indication of narcissism ... and self aggrandization. Pretty easy to see.

[Jake]

Indeed, a great case study. One tactic used to deceive or mislead is for one party to outright accuse another of doing what THEY are doing. For example,, Corey refers openly to Bill's work as a "UFO RELIGION".. isn't that clever? I would love to hear Corey justify that in the slightest. Especially in contrast to his own work as a self proclaimed Savior.

Next,, my apologies,, but Corey does NOT get to call someone out about providing Proof For An Extraordinary Claim. That is a forehead slapper... The best evidence to date of anything he has ever claimed is a LinkedIn profile. Again accuse others of what you are definitely guilty of..

Corey used Avalon as a launch pad to create his BRAND, and has been SELLING it since. Period


If one can't see that then one should look again.

Jake.

[amor]

We should be careful not to throw out the baby with the dirty bath water.

[DeDukshyn]

We should be careful not to throw out the baby with the dirty bath water.

I'm not exactly sure what that baby looks like, but you may well be right ... we don't want to throw out babies, and with disinfo ... often getting a particular baby tossed out is actually the original intention. In this case I believe the focus should be on Corey, not any babies he might be harboring ...

[Chester]

From Corey Goode Responds to Claims Made by Bill Ryan (http://sitsshow.blogspot.com/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html)

Ryan further claims that the same intelligence agent contact sent a screenshot of a skype conversation between the agent and yourself, wherein you said "you are now on the payroll... so am I.. it is what it is." Since the original release of Ryan's article, some have come forward refuting the screenshot as a forgery, saying your chat messages were altered. Did you actually send this message and is what appears the image your words? If so, how do you explain what these mean? How do you respond?

Goode: I did speak w/Shane in skype until DW and I caught him in a number of fabrications. The conversation in question was edited somehow, but some of the terms were used. We were talking about how we thought were done with all of these programs. Being forced "back on the payroll" is a way of saying that I was being forced back into working with these groups again in an [sic] professional like status. This was taken and made to look like I was being paid by the powers that be. I have never been paid to be in the SSP "Programs," nor am I now. I have never received any payments from the powers that be. This statement was taken out of context to purposely make me look like an agent by either Shane or BR.

Forgive me but I have the entire conversation. The conversation happened to be sent to me and Christine on April 18, 2015.

The sender of the conversation to me and Christine was...

Corey.


My interpretation of the conversation is that one and perhaps both of those in the conversation were "playing" each other because at the point in time this conversation occurred (which appears to have been March 6, 2015) it seems that DW was auditioning both participants in the conversation for the star role in his next (and hopefully career resurrecting) endeavor which I make odds high was being planned by the Gaiam execs for some time. (Note it was Gaiam.TV back then).

[Chester]

We should be careful not to throw out the baby with the dirty bath water.

Agree, but first... doesn't there have to be a baby?

[AutumnW]

I don't think this is particularly useful information, but I have seen flashes of Corey holding his head with both hands. The bottom of his palms were pressed against his temples, as if trying to deal with the pain of something. I don't know much about mind control, but it could be something to do with that.. or he could just have a really bad headache lol. All I know is, I just see him gritting his teeth, sitting in a chair in front of a desk... not really tucked into the desk, but further back, facing to the right on a 45 degree angle. Seems like whatever it I saw is pretty painful.. like migraine or worse.

The woman that does Bombard's Body language seems to think that his body language suggests he believe the things he is saying in a video she watched. This could be maybe when he is speaking about the truthful aspect of any disinformation he is giving. It could also mean he is under the influence of mind control and has different things he is programmed to do. Maybe one part of his mind is programmed to tell a story, then somebody could simply trigger another part of his mind to attack people in the community, only for him to not remember.

All very strange to me either way.

Sounds like a preparation H commercial. How pained was his expression?

[Bill Ryan]

More reaction, from Michael Salla. (He has always tried to present this as some kind of personal spat)


http://exopolitics.org/goode-secret-space-program-claims-go-viral-critics-attacks

[Atlas]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GggRC7RN2Ko/Vplo2JNjKmI/AAAAAAAAN3Y/y1sjR41eihk/s1600/It%2527s%2BTime%2BFor%2BUnity%2BAnalysis%2Bof%2BMini%2BUpdate%2Bby%2BCorey%2BGoode%2BThe%2BArt%2Bof% 2BNegotiation%2Band%2BWho%2BRepresents%2BHumanity%2Bin%2BSSP%2BAllIance%2BMeetings%253F.jpg

[The Freedom Train]

I am beginning to feel like we are ALL being played, and it is very upsetting to me.

[Hervé]

[...]
... (He has always tried to present this as some kind of personal spat)
[...]
Saves him from having to look at the psy-op aspect of agencies favouring dedicated cruise missile assets... one wonders why he would stay away from such perspective, though.

[Chester]

Perhaps I should remind folks of the Formula (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89801-David-Wilcock-update-2-April-2016-The-Ascension-Mysteries-Have-Been-Solved-&p=1058293&highlight=false+hope#post1058293) -


The formula is -

First - scare the hell out of folks (easy to do even being truthful)

Second - convince them you have access to information the vulnerable cannot get on their own.

Third - addict them to the intel drip feed

Fourth - sell them false hope.

Fifth - go back to step one and repeat over and over and over till the mark is both spiritually and financially bankrupt.

Six - continue to produce new tripe or reworded old tripe and employ the latest in cutting edge marketing techniques to replace those who finally wake up and catch whiff of the scam.

Now add on top the possibility of assistance via mind management technology (directed energy weaponry) and couple all this with a well funded internet based media organization just as folks are starting to accept such on the same level as they have accepted the TV for decades and then target a mass audience filled with vulnerables and you get the same results once again... an audience looking over there instead of where the real action is right here.

[norman]

I am beginning to feel like we are ALL being played, and it is very upsetting to me.

Yup, it's DejaVu all over again............( or am I being paranoid maaan )
https://dublinsmickdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/88071-60s_hippies.png?w=640&h=345

https://dublinsmickdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/f535d-wreckingcrew.png?w=400&h=220

https://dublinsmickdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/ef7e6-jimihendrix-inarmy.png?w=400&h=303

https://dublinsmickdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/1474c-admiralmorrison.png?w=320&h=221

[Verdilac]

Just had this passed to me on another board, Corey responds to this thread....

http://sitsshow.blogspot.ca/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html?m=1#more

I noticed a few statements by Mr Goode that stood out. The one being this.

"his forum is controlled like a small totalitarian country" .

This made me question if Mr Goode ever really understood what PA is about. The Avalon Team give members a clean framework for young & old to express, learn and share things with like minded individuals. You can recommend this forum to just about anyone as there is virtually no profanity or aggressiveness mentioned,even in the sometimes heated exchanges between members.

[TargeT]

Yup, it's DejaVu all over again............]
Same MO... Different context...yes, we are that easily fooled.

[OMG]

Analysis of "The Truth About Corey Goode" By Bill Ryan -- Don't Let the Fear of Disinformation Divide Us!
https://sitsshow.blogspot.si/2017/04/analysis-of-the-truth-about-corey-goode-by-bill-ryan-don-t-let-the-fear-of-disinformation-divide-us.html?m=1#more


Corey Goode Responds to Claims Made by Bill Ryan
https://sitsshow.blogspot.si/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html?m=1

[TargeT]

Analysis of "The Truth About Corey Goode" By Bill Ryan -- Don't Let the Fear of Disinformation Divide Us!
https://sitsshow.blogspot.si/2017/04/analysis-of-the-truth-about-corey-goode-by-bill-ryan-don-t-let-the-fear-of-disinformation-divide-us.html?m=1#more


Corey Goode Responds to Claims Made by Bill Ryan
https://sitsshow.blogspot.si/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html?m=1

I notice basically anything in this thread is attributed to Mr Ryan... I am offended.....

haha

[Ewan]

I might spend the next 24 hrs searching for posts with 'venemous energy' behind them.

Second thoughts, I'll go and cut the grass.

[Chester]

Warning - monster post... but I make odds good you won't be bored.


I might spend the next 24 hrs searching for posts with 'venemous energy' behind them.

Second thoughts, I'll go and cut the grass.

Hi Ewan, not only do I understand this post of yours, a part of me wishes to go cut grass too.

I don't know if any of my posts in this thread (where I recall that in my first post I suggested I would rise above all this and then did not) could have been any of many that may have stimulated your reply, but I feel compelled to share a tiny glimpse as to why I loathe what I believe both Wilcock and Goode are consciously participating in - a scam.

Here's why and perhaps you may know some of this about me. I am 59, bipolar and have had ten serious psychotic episodes where the last event was 5 years ago. Each and every one of these episodes was brought on by long term, large dosages use of high quality marijuana usage. After about my third or forth event, I knew that my condition was such and that using weed would eventually trigger another event.

So though I have known and do still know that I can completely control whether or not I experience a serious and life threatening psychosis by simply never using marijuana (and never using any mood altering, mind altering, emotion altering drug - legal or not as I have also learned that when I do so, I become weak and eventually go back to the weed, my favorite) what is a fact that I cannot change is that I am bipolar.

Still, this is a simple no-brainer... don't use any drugs and I never get psychotic and I finally get the message (and accept my reality in this lifetime).

Now let me share another bit of information regarding this condition. Though it has yet to be definitively proven, the data strongly suggests this condition is hereditary. I not only believe the odds are high that this speculation is likely true, I have real life experience in this regard as well. My father displayed many of the same symptoms as I experienced but my father never smoked weed and thus, perhaps he avoided experiencing a serious psychotic episode. But also, because so much less was known about this condition as of 1979, my father was never diagnosed as such and thus was never treated. Why I single out 1979 is because my Dad was 44 years old in 1979 when he committed suicide. After the event, "the doctors" concluded that my Dad likely suffered from schizophrenia which is a close relative to the bipolar condition. My conclusion is that these two conditions are simply expressions of what may one day be proven to be the same underlying cause where the form this condition manifests could be viewed as either schizophrenic (based on observed symptoms) or bipolar (based on observed symptoms). What I do know is that when either a schizophrenic or someone bipolar goes psychotic, psychosis is psychosis.

So let me add one more data point regarding my own, personal experience. My oldest son (aged 26) has just experienced his third serious psychosis. Just as in my case, the data facts are that each of his psychoses were preceded by long term, high dosage use of high quality marijuana. Each of his three events involved hospitalization in a mental health facility. Sadly it appears he is still in the midst of his third event and despite being in two different psych facilities over the last three or so weeks, he was released to an environment where he has access to marijuana. I make odds poor that this current event subsides.

All the above was to prepare the reader for a specific example of what can happen with folks like this when they have been exposed to conspiracy information. Two weeks ago yesterday, this son of mine called me from his mother's cellphone at around 4 PM. He had been staying with her since his release from that first psyche facility (which held him for only 24 hours even though he had been brought there by police executing a mental health order). Note that he had returned to usage of marijuana right after his release and so when he called me, his psychosis was at about a level 9 on a 1 to 10 scale.

So he told me that his Mom was taking him to his probation appointment. I could clearly hear in his voice he was terribly fearful (paranoid) and terribly irrational. We spoke for about five minutes when he asked me point blank - "Dad? Are they going to execute me?" Shocked I replied, "What? Why would you even think that?"

And the whole reason why I wrote everything above was to state the answer he gave me.

"Well Dad, I don't know if you are aware of this, but the Illuminati has a hit out on me." I said... "Dude, why the heck do you think that the Illuminati even knows of you much less is worried about you?" "Dad... its the stuff I posted on Facebook," and he went on to tell me of all the crazy stuff he posted that any serious student of the matter knows is the same type of BS one reads when exposed to the megalomaniacal, self aggrandizing fantacists and not the information gleaned from for more grounded and likely far more informed sources.

I looked at his Facebook page where it was clear he had been reading all sorts of stuff on the internet where much of what he told me is likely all the same baloney you get from the Wilcock/Goode BSfest, the Simon Parkes BSfest and a good several dozen others who are mostly if not completely making all their crap up.

And what is a fact about all the BS is that it is so sensationalized and sadly, this is perhaps the biggest reason it is so attractive, especially to the vulnerable.

And so when we have the likely actual reality of a world where organizations do conspire to "manage" the masses who probably do implement plans to dumb the masses down, to cull off large chunks of "the herd," foment wars and economic collapses... how can anyone possibly justify the activities of consciously disseminating false, fantastical and wholly or mostly made up information along these lines? The likely truth is bad enough... but why can't we expect far more the truth than self aggrandizing fantasy promotion? In fact, I think we should demand it.

Isn't this what folks like Bill are calling for here?

We very likely do have some sort of hidden "secret space program(s)" but how can anyone justify organizing the mass media lie promoting outfits?

And so then now... add in the wild card - "third party undetectable mind management technology." I would never deny this doesn't exist. And I have studied enough about it to form my current operational assumption that it does exist. How advanced is it? How prolifically is it being used? How successful is its usage if it is being used? I wouldn't dare to guess.

But what I am as certain about as anything I might ever state, is that if individuals do not take personal responsibility no matter how compromised they are then how will this current and likely dynamic/reality ever be transcended? And just as important as my last question is - For those who have any reasonable grip upon their own actions and who also have awareness that their actions are promoting false paradigms such as the Blue Avian nonsense, then they should stop the BS and come clean and help this community get (back) on track and reach to where it could be... grounded exploration of what the controlled media will never touch.

Individuals must do everything they can to see that they are responsible at the individual level, take that responsibility seriously and act upon it. This is the only way an individual can overcome third party influence.


Individuals who are in any way consciously telling lies or are aware consciously of massive over-embellishment of actual truths should realize how they are harming us all including the generations they leave behind. And stop and then do us a bigger favor and come clean.


So again... why did I share all this personal information? Because though my case and the case of my father and my son are extremes, there are many other types of conditions people suffer from who place them in a greater risk pool than perhaps most of the rest of the human population. But then there are other forms of vulnerability that when we look at each type, we start to see that the human species as it is today is quite compromised in this regard. So I ask the obvious question... "How does BSing us all help?"

Bottom line -

Sharing of testimony must be the truth and only the truth.

In addition, the more honest sharers of "other worldly experiences" must remain vigilant against overly interpreting their experiences that invariably leads to forming conclusions whereby they then impose paradigmatic "truths" upon the rest of us. Religions get started this way by the way. And note - "truths" which are in reality nothing but their own speculations and in many cases, speculations they hope to be true or speculations they may, in a dark way, want to be true.

This last statement covers the likes of Goode (and the Wilcock tag team effect) and Parkes in a nutshell... and make sure you, the reader, knows that the only reason I point these two out is because of lengthy personal experiences with both, especially the former. There are dozens and dozens of these types that have overwhelmed the alternative community the past several years and we all suffer from this sad development.


One last statement I must make. Some readers may falsely conclude that I am against marijuana or that I am suggesting marijuana causes what I shared about above in a more universal way. Not at all though I do not promote its use either. What is clear to me is that my specific adverse reaction is in part based on a genetically inherited condition which is then triggered by long term, high dosage heavy use of marijuana.

Marijuana for me (and probably my son and probably a tiny percentage of others) is much the same as the well known "peanut allergy." Allergic reactions to peanuts can be deadly. Yet it is a fact that a quite large percentage of humanity does not experience adverse reactions to eating peanuts. And thus it makes far more sense to implore those who have peanut allergies to eat mindfully in a way they avoid peanuts and peanut products. I look upon marijuana the same way. So make sure anyone who may have become upset and conclude that I am against marijuana understands I cannot hold that position and thus don't.

[Jake]

The links are working for me. Though, I don't find much substance when I click... I read up to the point when Corey says to Bill,, "PUT UP OR SHUT UP." I would have continued reading, but my right Palm suddenly, and inexplicably leaped up and struck my forehead...

I predict that Corey neither puts up, or shuts up... 300,000 followers who all go on faith,, (because of ABSOLUTELY ZER EVIDENCE.) And are all willing to support a self proclaimed messiah of the BlueBird Aliens. Who, (on a side note) officially sanctioned and approved the opening of a gift shop, where one can buy beer mugs and liquor flasks and T-shirts...

All the while, he refers to Avalon as Bills UFO RELIGION!!!


Tsk! Tsk! Tsk!

Love to all
Jake

[7alon]

I don't think this is particularly useful information, but I have seen flashes of Corey holding his head with both hands. The bottom of his palms were pressed against his temples, as if trying to deal with the pain of something. I don't know much about mind control, but it could be something to do with that.. or he could just have a really bad headache lol. All I know is, I just see him gritting his teeth, sitting in a chair in front of a desk... not really tucked into the desk, but further back, facing to the right on a 45 degree angle. Seems like whatever it I saw is pretty painful.. like migraine or worse.

The woman that does Bombard's Body language seems to think that his body language suggests he believe the things he is saying in a video she watched. This could be maybe when he is speaking about the truthful aspect of any disinformation he is giving. It could also mean he is under the influence of mind control and has different things he is programmed to do. Maybe one part of his mind is programmed to tell a story, then somebody could simply trigger another part of his mind to attack people in the community, only for him to not remember.

All very strange to me either way.

Sounds like a preparation H commercial. How pained was his expression?

Pretty much like this picture I just found, but with palms facing downwards and head on 45 degree angle downwards:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/08/article-2156396-13826503000005DC-286_468x506.jpg

[Sierra]

Sam, the truth, just as truth, is taking quite a beating these days. It's almost as if truth has been thrown by the wayside, and no one notices the damage to integrity. Not to mention a false reality created as we attempt to understand it.

[Padma11]

I have been writing about the inconsistencies with some of the disclosure/whistle blower data for years. Just think about how any of these elaborate stories have been presented and then just fade away. Many of us seem to have very sort-term memories.

I get the feeling this is just another big distraction. Like all stories you need exciting new characters to differentiate your self on the ever expanding new age circuit. I think the business term is Market Differentiation. When I first heard that we suddenly now have blue feathered beings directing the planet, my immediate response was deep laughter. Anything is possible in the multiverse, but I think this is coming up for discussion like this because the people that have been watching this for a long time are seasoned now.

[UfonautRadio]

I must say how relieved I am to see such good research done on a guy I knew was probably not a valid source. After twenty plus years of these kinds of characters, you get a good sense. Thanks to Bill and Randy for this amazing work. I'm so glad I found this thread. I was beginning to think I was the only one not yet in the Goode "cult"

-JR

[regnak]

Goode "cult"

Corey Goode information never made any sense blue aliens anyone how to you follow such a story . :sun:

[Rocky_Shorz]

Corey's reply to Bill starts at 2:30 in


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEjUIgHmP0A


Corey, if you really were part of America's top secret programs, and you are sharing it with the world.

Because you are not dead, it means everything is fabricated and you are being used to share it.

It's really that simple. Critics don't bother me because I know who I am and would never satisfy an endless stream of questions

If I were in your shoes, knowing what you do, I would be a little more thankful that through disclosure, you have learned your family is safe.

Seriously, you have peace of mind now, does anything else really matter?

I saw the friction between you and the misses.

When I smacked her in the face with a wet mop, it wasn't because I didn't care. It became a life changing moment for you. Just a few simple words on a page, venting on me lets the negative energy to be drawn down away from your family. You're welcome...

So pick on Avalon all you want, we know the truth and any mud you toss will slide off like Teflon...

[Hym]

Silly, silly Wabbit..... said Elmer Fudd.
You guys still here? Well thanks for calling out the b.s. on "Corey".
Thanks for saving me the time, which for me was not wasted. I was put off by the name alone, so I never read any of it, as I'm sure an intuition, many members and guests have, was working.

Now at the end of the thread, a while after it was started, I saw the face, heard just a little of the computer generated female voice and thought Hmmm.That reminds me, I've got some good popcorn. Yumm!



Edit: And, a short time later, it's good to say that the popcorn was delicious!
Maybe I should send some to C.G., the man full of "I's".

[Nerge]

Goode "cult"

Corey Goode information never made any sense blue aliens anyone how to you follow such a story . :sun:

So blue aliens are less believable that grey, pink or brown aliens then? :)

[Bill Ryan]

Goode "cult" Corey Goode information never made any sense blue aliens anyone how to you follow such a story . :sun:

So blue aliens are less believable that grey, pink or brown aliens then? :)

Yes, of course.

Look at it this way. Here's an analogy.

The vast majority of Roswell witnesses, who were in a position to describe the bodies (including witnesses in other facilities many years later), report beings with 4 fingers on each hand.

Meanwhile, a minority of witnesses describe beings with 6 fingers. There's some credible evidence that these might have been a different species of ETs, maybe from a different incident.

But no-one has ever reported beings with 8 fingers.

If they had, there'd be excellent logical reason to be skeptical of the report. Because it'd be unique — uncorroborated by any other witnesses over a period of more than 60 years.

Now to the 'Blue Avians'. The same thing applies.

Ask Dr David Jacobs, who has personally researched, using good regression techniques, well over 1,000 cases of claimed ET abductee and contactee reports. None have ever featured 'Blue Avians'.

Not one.

So, logically, like the 8-fingered ETs, there's pretty good reason to doubt their existence.

Quite by coincidence, just before I read this post of yours, I posted this article by Richard Dolan, from October 2010. Do take a moment to read. Everything there applies.


Richard Dolan: Critical Thinking About UFOs in the Social Media Age: Facts Still Matter (More Than Ever) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97504-Richard-Dolan-Critical-Thinking-About-UFOs-in-the-Social-Media-Age-Facts-Still-Matter--More-Than-Ever-)

You're free to believe anything you like, but that doesn't make it real.

Believing in Blue Avians is not research. Indeed, no 'research' applies here, anywhere, in the correct sense of the word.

And, there are no 'facts' — not one single one. :)

[norman]

In Corey's story, the Blue Avians don't abduct people ( other than himself ) so David Jacobs would not have heard of any blues in the cases he's dealt with.

I'm trying to keep my head in the place where stuff makes sense ( or not ), either way.

As far as I can see, Tom Delonge and Corey Goode need to be tackled simultaniously. I see good cop bad cop in this scenario.

The more we shoot down one of them, the more the other one pops up to take his place. This is clever stuff.

[Shannon]

In Corey's story, the Blue Avians don't abduct people ( other than himself ) so David Jacobs would not have heard of any blues in the cases he's dealt with.

I'm trying to keep my head in the place where stuff makes sense ( or not ), either way.

As far as I can see, Tom Delonge and Corey Goode need to be tackled simultaniously. I see good cop bad cop in this scenario.

The more we shoot down one of them, the more the other one pops up to take his place. This is clever stuff.

I knew someone was gonna say that...it's kinda missing the point. But if you want to get technical about it, people Who've been abducted often see other entities that aren't greys, they've seen all types ...Nordic, reptilian, brown, orange, and even experiencers can be included in that I've never read one that included blue avians.

[regnak]

Well I have never seen a blue alien or grey, pink or brown . Evidence is important or credibility
I am only speaking for myself but how could you follow or believe such nonsense is beyond me. I am not
A critic of Corey I defended his right to speak against the majority of Avalon for which I got a bit of stick over I say
Move on from this topic let Corey go his way he is not a member here life teaches ( experiences ) lol

[Bill Ryan]

I've never read one that included blue avians.

Nor in the contactee literature, either.

There are only three logical possibilities:


The 'Blue Avians' have contacted Corey, and (apparently) absolutely no-one else.
The 'Blue Avians' have also contacted others, but everyone else has stayed silent, and have not come forward with credible supporting stories, even now.
This is a fantasy — either a delusion (deliberately overlaid by a third party, or from some kind of mental illness), or consciously invented.

[Shannon]

I've never read one that included blue avians.

Nor in the contactee literature, either.

There are only three logical possibilities:


The 'Blue Avians' have contacted Corey, and (apparently) absolutely no-one else.
The 'Blue Avians' have also contacted others, but everyone else has stayed silent, and have not come forward with credible supporting stories, even now.
This is a fantasy — either a delusion (deliberately overlaid by a third party, or from some kind of mental illness), or consciously invented.



I'm gonna firmly and confidently go with 3 :)

[Mike]

In Corey's story, the Blue Avians don't abduct people ( other than himself ) so David Jacobs would not have heard of any blues in the cases he's dealt with.

I'm trying to keep my head in the place where stuff makes sense ( or not ), either way.

As far as I can see, Tom Delonge and Corey Goode need to be tackled simultaniously. I see good cop bad cop in this scenario.

The more we shoot down one of them, the more the other one pops up to take his place. This is clever stuff.



It's an interesting point norman.....but thats just it tho - they *only* abduct him. How convenient! its the built in excuse for having no corroboration.

It's like the phony messiah who says god only comes to him - always in private - so no, sorry, you cant see him yourself. These types of people have built in insurance policies at every angle to protect them from having to produce any kind of evidence.

Corey is the only witness, the only contact, and is therefore "special". Thats the implication. Why dont the avians reveal themselves to Wilcock? Whats stopping them?

[sunwings]

I've never read one that included blue avians.

Nor in the contactee literature, either.

There are only three logical possibilities:


The 'Blue Avians' have contacted Corey, and (apparently) absolutely no-one else.
The 'Blue Avians' have also contacted others, but everyone else has stayed silent, and have not come forward with credible supporting stories, even now.
This is a fantasy — either a delusion (deliberately overlaid by a third party, or from some kind of mental illness), or consciously invented.


Apparently Corey has been contacted by other people who have been contacted by the blue avians. Apparently there is a special greeting and Corey asks each contactee to do the greeting to confirm their story to him. There is an entire episode with William Henry http://www.williamhenry.net/

where they discuss blue avian visitations in the past, citing these images as proof of their existence:

https://yogizac.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/screen-shot-2016-06-08-at-8-26-12-am.png?w=960

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s748Za1TrY8/V1eEH3zb2GI/AAAAAAAAWP4/016gVzLbHVkA25N_M6qLfzfoyMVIy7__ACLcB/s640/Screen%2BShot%2B2016-06-07%2Bat%2B10.33.28%2BPM.png

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-W_3E0ttpYqY/V29yqq7RX1I/AAAAAAAADyo/uKqkfYsN1_YIoROJYjwL93qKC6BsKh28QCK4B/s1600/Blue%2BAvians%2Band%2BSpheres%2Bin%2BAncient%2BArt%2BSlides%2B9.jpg

The images alone regardless of the Corey Goode story have always fascinated me, but it does sound like someone hijacking a narrative to suit their goals.

A couple of questions as I have listened to most of Cosmic disclsoure:facepalm:

1. When Corey was a member of PA had the blue avians already started to visit him or did they come after the ink had dried on the gaiatv contract?

2. Most of his answers on the show are based around what he read on the tablets. He basically spent five years reading information about the history of our planet and solar system. Then had his memory wiped and then years later it all suddenly came back to him. DW never questions whether these tablets were planted with fake information, and it is taken as gospel and DW always says that corroborates what another source said to me. Did Goode discuss these tablets much on PA before?

3. Heather Sartain, William Tompkins, Bob Wood, Michael Salla, John Lear, Mark Mccandlish, Clifford Stone and Jay weidner have all been on the show as guests and help hold up Corey´s story for the public to believe. That´s an impressive list and certainly helps Corey and Gaia Tv validate the $9.99 monthly fee to the Gaia subscribers?

[EFO]

?
Dr. Michael Salla (Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs & Extraterrestrial Alliances)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHY9TZUYsFc

[uzn]

With Corey I was alwas wondering why he never took Pictures. Or any piece of technolgogy, Handkerchief, Moonrock or something with him to proof his Story. He has nothing but his Stories/Memory. I would try anything to get my Hands on any evidence or take Photos somehow. Even Billy Meier took a lot of Pictures ;) Phil Schneider had a lot of Rocks and Strange Metals from his time in the dark World.

Even his Blue Friends did not give him anything to proof his Story. Not even a Button of a Uniform or a "Glasspad". Speaking of his mentioned GlassPads. We will have "GlassPads" in about 10 Years if miniaturisation of Electronics continues at the current rate. Tabets getting thinner and thinner and you arrive at something like a GlassPad. The Question here is: Are the "Blue Avians" just 10 Years ahead of us Technology wise? These GlassPads dont seem to be on the same Technology Level as his invisible and undetectable "Blue Spheres".

[Jake]

Another thing I would point out, with regards this case study,, is a post Corey made regarding extraordinary claims and the importance of providing evidence. His advice is in context of 'religion' and 'gospel' and 'lucifarian beliefs' and 'followers'...



ALTHOUGH A LITTLE OFF TOPIC...
I often see people make strong statements of fact about this or that Alien Group's History, Origin or Involvement in Human affairs or creation. It seems that (Though I know its true) the ancient alien theory has become a guarded religion to some.

Some people follow certain channeler's or contacee's writtings or web sites and read what they have written about groups and that is now their Gospel. I have even seen the Luciferian beliefs (Shared with me many times by followers) seep into some of the stories here and there.

It would be nice if we are debating or correcting someone to have a context or source that a person is referring to. Just my opinion. I am not poo poo'ing Channeling all together as I found the Ra material and a couple others interesting. I just thought it would be nice to foot note a statement like this with your source maybe even a link so the person can go and research for themselves. No offense.


None taken Brother Bear... If only you practice what you PREACH...


Are folks tracking this? Doesn't it seem a bit contradictory compared to nowadays?

Later, in that same discussion,, he hints at his involvement with a race of beings that were there when we selected our parents BEFORE WE WERE BORN...

It was only a couple of posts after he insisted that folks provide evidence for such a claim...

The Cherokee have a saying...

"Rattlesnake speaks with forked tongue."


Jake

[Edit] Another thing I find interesting (in the post from Corey above) is the reveal that at the time he posted that, he had merely a bit of a passing interest in the Ra material... only a couple of years later,, it's a centerpiece of his philosophy, and has been from the beginning... ???

Cheers, all...

[AutumnW]

Blue Avians. I lay bets that the Efyptian cuneiform tablets, bas reliefs, depict people with bird masks on and wings symbolize the soul, where they are portrayed.

Those interested in UFOs and secret space projects have to adopt the 'show me state' Missouri attitude. In this case, if you'll forgive the terrible pun, I hope Missouri loves company!

[Chester]

Blue Avians. I lay bets that the Efyptian cuneiform tablets, bas reliefs, depict people with bird masks on and wings symbolize the soul, where they are portrayed.

Those interested in UFOs and secret space projects have to adopt the 'show me state' Missouri attitude. In this case, if you'll forgive the terrible pun, I hope Missouri loves company!

From my studies, this is indeed one of the primary interpretations... one of the eight soul levels. I will try and locate which one and the sources that cite this, but I am quite sure this is correct AutumnW.

Here's a few references...

http://myweb.usf.edu/~liottan/theegyptiansoul.html


The Ba

The ba, another spiritual entity was seen as a human-headed bird hovering over the deceased or exiting the tomb in the hieroglyphics, and was the part of the soul that could travel between the worlds of the living and the dead.

also pointed out in the Wikipedia link -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_concept_of_the_soul


The Bâ is an aspect of a person that the Egyptians believed would live after the body died, and it is sometimes depicted as a human-headed bird flying out of the tomb to join with the Ka in the afterlife.

...and I found all this in a quick search on Google.

[Maunagarjana]

I've never read one that included blue avians.

Nor in the contactee literature, either.

There are only three logical possibilities:


The 'Blue Avians' have contacted Corey, and (apparently) absolutely no-one else.
The 'Blue Avians' have also contacted others, but everyone else has stayed silent, and have not come forward with credible supporting stories, even now.
This is a fantasy — either a delusion (deliberately overlaid by a third party, or from some kind of mental illness), or consciously invented.


Considering that he says the blue avians are of sixth density, and the overwhelming majority of contacts by ET experiencers are from fourth density, and considering that in the Ra Material, Ra said that even in fifth density, the entities of that density have bodies that are completely changeable in appearance by their minds, then that would suggest that sixth density entities are beyond even that and can take any form they choose. Why would they take a blue avian form? Hypothetically speaking, it could be a form they had at an earlier stage of the evolution, from billions of years earlier. Lots of confusion comes from people not being aware of the densities schema that Ra talks about and what the differences are between the beings in the various densities. Expecting all ET life to adhere to what we are familiar with in fourth density is pretty misguided, imho.

[mojo]

With Corey I was alwas wondering why he never took Pictures. Or any piece of technolgogy, Handkerchief, Moonrock or something with him to proof his Story. He has nothing but his Stories/Memory. I would try anything to get my Hands on any evidence or take Photos somehow. Even Billy Meier took a lot of Pictures Phil Schneider had a lot of Rocks and Strange Metals from his time in the dark World.

exactly or even share technical data, astronomy discoveries, mathematics, unknown knowledge that might be later proved, he had a large pool to choose from even the very dirt of Mars stuck to his boots.... but Corey is a story...He's probably a good guy that got in way over his head then Wilcock came in to the scene... imo he is just as guilty for lack of doing the good ground work investigation into vetting...

[Chester]

With Corey I was alwas wondering why he never took Pictures. Or any piece of technolgogy, Handkerchief, Moonrock or something with him to proof his Story. He has nothing but his Stories/Memory. I would try anything to get my Hands on any evidence or take Photos somehow. Even Billy Meier took a lot of Pictures Phil Schneider had a lot of Rocks and Strange Metals from his time in the dark World.

exactly or even share technical data, astronomy discoveries, mathematics, unknown knowledge that might be later proved, he had a large pool to choose from even the very dirt of Mars stuck to his boots.... but Corey is a story...He's probably a good guy that got in way over his head then Wilcock came in to the scene... imo he is just as guilty for lack of doing the good ground work investigation into vetting...

In the e-mail Corey sent to me... the e-mail I mentioned in a previous post on this thread... an e-mail where Corey had copied and pasted his conversation of (I believe) March 6, 2015 with what was then his competition for the Wilcock / GaiamTV gig, Corey stated this to this individual -

[7:42:01 PM] Corey Goode: Yea, my wife has SEEN a lot now... she now takes pictures of the craft landing spots and my foot prints to "No where."

So not only does he not produce these photos, he tells folks his wife has them. What are the odds these photos ever really existed, folks?

Ohhh and Corey followers will likely recall that soon after Corey's release of the promised Free Videos (which ended up not being free as Wilcock would never allow such a precedent), Corey came up with a completely different method for how he would be "extracted."


Here's another famous statement by Corey from a post he made on May 4th, 2015

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Here's a fun one when he once sent me a Skype by accident... (sometime in March 2015) - NOTE: Click on images to enlarge.

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But I think the one that speaks the loudest was this one from March 20, 2015

35244

Guess what folks, you are being conned.

[Omni]

Wow Sam, incredibly damning post.

[Flash]

Wow Sam, incredibly damning post.

yep,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Chester]

another oldie but "Goode"ie...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61721-An-Open-Letter-to-Mr.-David-Wilcock&p=707739&viewfull=1#post707739

Re: An Open Letter to Mr. David Wilcock

I am sure he will chalk it up 100% to being exhausted and spiritually and physically drained from doing his work. That seems to be the typical way each of his articles/"E-Books" begins. Now he has this weekly Internet TV Show. (The Dude bites off more than he can chew for sure!).

I would like to hear from him on this matter as I have actually provided him tiny bits of Intel/Info over the years some at a small bit of risk. Lets say I would be more than a bit disappointed if this was scandalous and not over work and over stretching of one man and a small team. Also, more info is needed on that "Team" and who handles what... (Past and Present).

His EGO, self worship/prophet syndrome (Fed by weak minded people all over the world, it would be a struggle for anyone!) as well as over dependence on the "RA Material" (ROOT Luciferian belief system material found within some of it) has raised my eye brow here and there... but his work recently on Financial Tyranny and our shared sources (Wink and nod verified, could be them ego tripping) have caused me to drop any of those concerns. HE will be a major target of various types going after the Financial guys... what better way than him being a financial fraud?

He is brilliant... People that smart tend to get caught up in their own inner SOL... they tend to see the Chess board and know what is going to happen 10 moves out, then miss what is right next to them and 2 moves away (By their own pawn) and that is what gets them.

But lets see how this plays out and make sure someone on the team (Was on the team, related to the team etc...) is not trying to pull the pin in a well planted grenade (Claymore Mine)... A trip wire they have patiently sat back for years waiting for someone to spring.

That is how these Cabal operatives work... sneaky bastards each and every one. So, I encourage everyone to wait to pass judgment. Lets make sure DW gets this info and has an opportunity to respond.

Do I have any seconds in the forum?

[Gemma13]

Even though claims (by Corey) state he can get evidence – looks like it ain’t ever gonna happen!

Sphere Being Alliance Website : https://spherebeingalliance.com/faqs

FAQ Number 77:
Can you set up a camera in your bedroom to record your disappearing via the orb? Would be some serious evidence in favour of your testimony.

Corey Goode Answer:
Sure, however, it will not convince anyone of anything. I have been told that nothing I present cannot be done in "After Effects" or other software. Seeing pictures/video is not believing. They can be manipulated. You cannot even believe what you see on live TV News anymore. You can only truly trust your own personal experiences when coupled with discernment. The problem right now is not getting proof. It is preparing yourself for when you are under an avalanche of proof that is extremely troubling and disturbing in nature. This is what I am trying to prepare people for as well as providing the BA Message to also have people focus on self evolution of mind and spirit. We will not be able to tolerate the information we receive or the change in the background energy/resonance if we do not prepare ourselves in these ways.
True discernment is more than bending someone to producing video/photo's that will get more visitors to their site. This is not about "site hits". If at some point the SSP wants to start appearing in front of live tv camera's like they already have live NASA ISS feeds then that is up to them. Even these live NASA ISS feeds have been heavily debated is circular debates in forums.

[gralsfighter]

Corey Goode Answer:
..... to also have people focus on self evolution of mind and spirit.....
Thats totally true.

Corey Goode was also overtaken in the beginning like David Icke who states hes Jesus. Thats a hard time to be in influence of satanic beeings. you say things you wouldnt say without the influence.
Some guys have a hard time to control reptilian and others DNA.
Its the intention that counts.
Don't divide alternative media

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Now, the question for me is, why is David Wilcock continuing to buy into this now very obviously fraudulent story?

I used to rate David as a researcher. I still do rate his many years of contributions to opening up awareness in those who have none. His books continuingly hit the top-ten sellers list; his appearances on shows like Ancient Aliens help to inculcate the wider, uneducated TV watching masses into a consciousness-expanding reality. What is it that has effectively overwritten his commitment to truth and integrity? Perhaps he is in too deep to know how to get out (of his contract).

[Rocky_Shorz]

I've never read one that included blue avians.

Nor in the contactee literature, either.

There are only three logical possibilities:


The 'Blue Avians' have contacted Corey, and (apparently) absolutely no-one else.
The 'Blue Avians' have also contacted others, but everyone else has stayed silent, and have not come forward with credible supporting stories, even now.
This is a fantasy — either a delusion (deliberately overlaid by a third party, or from some kind of mental illness), or consciously invented.


Apparently Corey has been contacted by other people who have been contacted by the blue avians. Apparently there is a special greeting and Corey asks each contactee to do the greeting to confirm their story to him. There is an entire episode with William Henry http://www.williamhenry.net/

where they discuss blue avian visitations in the past, citing these images as proof of their existence:

https://yogizac.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/screen-shot-2016-06-08-at-8-26-12-am.png?w=960

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s748Za1TrY8/V1eEH3zb2GI/AAAAAAAAWP4/016gVzLbHVkA25N_M6qLfzfoyMVIy7__ACLcB/s640/Screen%2BShot%2B2016-06-07%2Bat%2B10.33.28%2BPM.png

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-W_3E0ttpYqY/V29yqq7RX1I/AAAAAAAADyo/uKqkfYsN1_YIoROJYjwL93qKC6BsKh28QCK4B/s1600/Blue%2BAvians%2Band%2BSpheres%2Bin%2BAncient%2BArt%2BSlides%2B9.jpg

The images alone regardless of the Corey Goode story have always fascinated me, but it does sound like someone hijacking a narrative to suit their goals.

A couple of questions as I have listened to most of Cosmic disclsoure:facepalm:

1. When Corey was a member of PA had the blue avians already started to visit him or did they come after the ink had dried on the gaiatv contract?

2. Most of his answers on the show are based around what he read on the tablets. He basically spent five years reading information about the history of our planet and solar system. Then had his memory wiped and then years later it all suddenly came back to him. DW never questions whether these tablets were planted with fake information, and it is taken as gospel and DW always says that corroborates what another source said to me. Did Goode discuss these tablets much on PA before?

3. Heather Sartain, William Tompkins, Bob Wood, Michael Salla, John Lear, Mark Mccandlish, Clifford Stone and Jay weidner have all been on the show as guests and help hold up Corey´s story for the public to believe. That´s an impressive list and certainly helps Corey and Gaia Tv validate the $9.99 monthly fee to the Gaia subscribers?

For those that are wondering, Blue Dude was Blue, not his clothes.

Skin a shiny almost metallic bright blue.

In these photos look at the hands...

https://i2.wp.com/www.experience-ancient-egypt.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Ancient-Egyptian-Masks-Anubis-Front-HarrogateMuseumsandArts.jpg?resize=800%2C535

Anyone can put on a mask and be who they want to be.

Blue was taller than me, but smaller than the Squach.

When I thought show me I'm not crazy, show me an et ship right there where I was looking in the sky, and I'm talking seconds later a blazing red light flew right to that point and turned blue. Streaking across the sky like a comet...

I stood there with my mouth hanging...

Blue Dude says he will not allow a nuclear war, at that moment I realized he could do it...

The only picture of him in Egypt is at the top of one of the pillars carved in stone.

And yes I do believe he could be that old.

[Malgorzata]

Hello Bill and everyone! :)

Quick question to Bill, and sorry if perhaps you expressed it somewhere already, I didn´t follow the entire thread 100%: Why did you feel the need to share with the world your concerns and the information about Corey NOW? What propelled that decision?

And by the way, THANK YOU for your revelations and insights. I highly appreciate as it sheds some more well balanced light on the whole situation for me.

[Bill Ryan]

Hello Bill and everyone! :)

Quick question to Bill, and sorry if perhaps you expressed it somewhere already, I didn´t follow the entire thread 100%: Why did you feel the need to share with the world your concerns and the information about Corey NOW? What propelled that decision?

And by the way, THANK YOU for your revelations and insights. I highly appreciate as it sheds some more well balanced light on the whole situation for me.

Well, Hi there! :waving:

Yes, it was sort of explained in my first post, but there's totally no harm in explaining again. :)

A few weeks ago, a new member (called Seeking Senior) joined the forum (and has now left), with the express purpose of supporting Corey Goode and finding any way to criticize me that she could.

I was patient, and answered all her questions, though nothing would satisfy her. In the end, I spent several hours compiling the entire timeline, with links, laying out all in one long post everything that had happened re Corey since October 2014. That thread was in a members-only section.

After she was no longer here, there was some discussion whether the thread should be made public, so that everyone could see the various questions and their answers. I didn't actually make any decision about that, but the tipping point was a new Facebook post, by radio host Randy Maugans (http://radio.offplanetmedia.net/author/randy-maugans/) that someone sent to me, which was highly critical of Corey. I copied that in full in my post #2 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1148569&viewfull=1#post1148569).

That inspired this new thread. After that, rather to my surprise, what I wrote was copied in a number of other places on the net, and has so far attracted a great deal of interest.

[Malgorzata]

Thank you Bill!

I am highly interested in this topic as my best friend here in Barcelona has an entire Youtube channel devoted to Corey Goode information in Spanish and he has a big following with over 30,000 subscribers. It is called Despejando Enigmas. It is worth noting that Corey Goode seems to me to be much appreciated by the Spanish speaking population, and my friend is contributing to that a lot. We had discussions about the subject, with me being on the observant bench seeing how it all plays out. Since I respect you and your opinion a lot, as well as that of Richard Dolan, and of Steven Basssett whom I recently met in London and who ALSO expressed his disaproval of all those ¨sudden Secret Space Program stars¨, I have my mind completely open to what you are saying.

Now, since I know I will have more discussions with my friend about this, and to push more for the answers, how do you respond to the argument that yes, Corey was not silenced etc, but so haven´t been MANY other witnesses presented by Project Camelot throughout the years (yes, some have, I know). But the vast majority of them hasn´t. Kerry Cassidy herself continues her work without any major obstacles (as far as I know). Wasn´t her motto ¨the best place to hide is in the open¨? What about all the witnesses presented by Steven Greer 2001? I mean, the argument that he wasn´t silenced yet could be challenged. Also, David Wilcock and Corey stated that Corey did have threats on his life and various types of attacks.

About the verifiable proof, many witnesses presented by Kerry Cassidy (as I have been following her work mostly in the last years), didn´t come to the interviews with any documents either (or did they?). Did Dan Burich have proof years ago? Henry Deacon? Captain Mark Richards, just to name the few? Or maybe they did?

And what about all these other people confirming Corey´s story? Pete Peterson, Michael Salla, William Thompkins, etc?

I am only asking these questions as I know they will be points of my discussion with Robert this week and I want to be prepared. :muscle::biggrin1:

[norman]

I'm not sure Pete Peterson has ever actually confirmed Corey's story. Gaia TV have inserted him into it to make it look like he confirms it, more like. I listened to a Gaia interview with him and he never once mentioned Corey or any of the things Corey claims.

We really need to stop and think and deconstruct all these things carefully.

[Bill Ryan]

About the verifiable proof, many witnesses presented by Kerry Cassidy (as I have been following her work mostly in the last years), didn´t come to the interviews with any documents either (or did they?). Did Dan Burich have proof years ago? Henry Deacon? Captain Mark Richards, just to name the few? Or maybe they did?

And what about all these other people confirming Corey´s story? Pete Peterson, Michael Salla, William Thompkins, etc?



Good questions! :thumbsup:


Dan Burisch showed documentation to us privately (in our very first meeting), and later also publicly.
Henry Deacon also showed us documentation privately, again at our first meeting. Later, interestingly, we went to a pub at about 6 pm very near his former place of work (Menwith Hill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Menwith_Hill), North Yorkshire), and Kerry and I sat quietly in a corner and watched Henry being greeted, with surprise, by some of his former colleagues.
Mark Richards has no documentation that I know of. I'm aware that his story might be a fabrication, but as best I know it's consistent, although there are major problems with his court record, etc etc. His claims are wild, but not quite as wild as Corey's and Randy Cramer's, for instance. I've never met him or seen anything written by him (I think there is nothing), and all the testimony about his claim comes from Kerry and Mark Richards' wife Jo Ann.
William Tompkins has also produced and published documentation. Dr Bob Wood has verified (from his own personal experience) that he really did work at Douglas Aerospace, for example (where Bob Wood also worked himself many years ago).

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Pete Peterson as best I know hasn't verified anything about Corey's story. My comment about Pete's recent Gaia TV appearances is here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93650-Secret-Space-Program-Credibility&p=1143964&viewfull=1#post1143964) (and may be worth reading).
Dr Michael Salla is a researcher, and has been quite heavily promoting Corey, Randy Cramer, William Tompkins, and others.
William Tompkins hasn't confirmed Corey's story as such, but has been used by Michael Salla to confirm the existence of an advanced secret space program (the existence of which id not in any doubt for me personally).

[Malgorzata]

Awesome, thank you!

And so the story keeps unfolding..... :)

[Omni]

Blue Avian / Sphere Being Alliance PSYOP
Source - psyop.info (http://www.psyop.info/2017/05/blue-avian-sphere-being-alliance-psyop-corey-goode.html)

This appears to be an artificial intelligence enhanced psychological operation, in other words groups like the US military and/or CIA would employ the use of black project singularity AIs that have access to all static knowledge in existence through mapping all brain waves. This gives PSYOPS handlers the ability to choose from a wide variety of information when weaving their deception.

When I read Corey Goode's stories it strikes me as AI formulated disinformation with advanced NLP and subject crafting (Far beyond Corey Goode's intelligence in crafting). It is very clear to me that the Sphere Being Alliance is a NWO promoted PSYOP. I have been aware of this PSYOP since approximately Fall of 2014, but held silence on my websites because I had a policy of not naming and shaming intelligence assets out of respect, largely due to my perspective that many of the NWO assets in alt media are being unwittingly influenced by psychotronic electromagnetic technologies, in other words they believe they are promoting the truth.

I am not sure if Corey Goode is a complicit and willing asset, or he is just being duped like many other popular New Age sources who think they are interacting with or channeling extraterrestrials. What I can say with full confidence is that he is a disinformant, his information is a cleverly crafted con. A new rendition of PSYOPS techniques that are tapered on a curve of sophistication. Once a con is discerned by a lot of people the PSYOP tactics move on to a further designed technique. For example channeling seems to be going out of style since no largely identifiable ascension event happened on December 21st, 2012.

In the past common intelligence & military constructs used are black ops electronic telepathy based extraterrestrial impersonations or electromagnetic mind control packaged as cosmic entity channeling. This new rendition is packaged as a "military whistleblower", advancing the New Age PSYOPS technique one step further...

If you remember what I say about PSYOPS techniques advancing on a curve, perhaps you will notice this pattern behind future PSYOPS. And if you want to know about the Blue Avian / Sphere Being Alliance & Corey Goode PSYOPS, below is my analysis.


The Blue Avian PSYOP:
• Promotes standard contrived CIA mkultra-created New Age cosmological ideology
• Continues a grand deception related to extraterrestrials (I am not saying they do not exist)
• Supports and promotes one of the biggest New Age deceptions on the planet, the channeled material Law of One by a fictitious AI generated entity known as "RA" (One of the Satanist ideologies in this channeling is a concept known as moral relativism, in other words there is no right or wrong it's all in our heads)
• After propping up Corey Goode, he can now be used to slander and discredit any sensitive truth source and the gullible mind controlled flocks will lap up anything he says as truth (Like he has been used in the past to slander and discredit myself and others such as Bill Ryan)
• Promotes apathy by presenting the idea of an ascension shift taking care of Earth's deepest problems
• Predictive programming related to UFOlogy and the field of extraterrestrial information
• Predictive programming related to potential future events
• Black project technology used to engage psyche profiled targets with faux-alien electronic telepathy or neuroscience based virtual reality packaged as an OBE or 'astral projection'. Aliens known as "Blue Avians" are being impersonated to the global population to enhance this psychological operation.
• Mainstream media programs such as 'Ancient Aliens' have taken hold to Corey's story, I suspect his intelligence and military handlers paved the way for this and we will see even more proliferation of this deception
• Corey Goode is credibly rumored to rip information off from other people, for example I'm almost certain he got the information that electronic telepathy impersonations are occurring from myself, ironically a person he discredited
• Many call Corey a fraud, in other words saying he has never been to Mars or Venus as claimed, another potentiality to this is he is being given elaborate end game virtual reality experiences. This is the scenario that he is unwitting of his disinformation campaign (which I find a bit less likely than witting at this point)
• Creation of a negative NLP connotation to the word "Whistleblower" among those who know he is a fraud in some form. This would be done due to the fact that whistleblowers are one of the biggest threats to the covert dominion of Earth.
• Alt media mind control assets promote Corey Goode (e.g. David Wilcock)
• In a reality where extraterrestrials do in fact exist, it is possible that the most delusional about extraterrestrials are the believers after decades of unabated PSYOPS
• In Corey's first interview, he stated that myself (A targeted individual of government technologies & COINTELPRO) was 'infected with a sentient sovereign world destroying alien AI', which gullible flocks of New Agers shamefully believed
• As Bill Ryan said, "This is being promoted and pushed." A sizable amount of money is behind this PSYOP. Most true whistleblowers get very little attention, and I'm not aware of a single one with a 5 or 6 figure advertising budget being pushed across alt media



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I also have a personal story with Corey Goode, I would not call it a vendetta by any means. I'll put it this way: I have a pattern of not posting specific names behind PSYOPS in the past, Corey Goode's slander campaign and discrediting of myself shortly before he blew up in alt media has earned himself the opposite of that respect.


The Corey Goode PSYOP:
1): An intelligence/military electronic telepathy communication once told me I would be discredited for exposing their secrets some years back, after the discrediting happened it was clear that Corey Goode was to be used as a tool to detract from the sensitive electronic targeting and electronic control grid testimony the CIA & co knew I would be presenting to the public. Corey Goode turned a whole demographic of new agers against me. His demeanor and ability to fabricate, exaggerate, and lie showed me rather obviously that there is no way he would be chosen as the planetary representative of an extraterrestrial Federation meant to save mankind.

2): As someone in the know about black project AI I knew immediately that what Corey Goode was saying about artificial intelligence was clearly and blatantly some sort of intelligence or military PSYOP for public consumption. Corey Goode references Hollywood movies to corroborate his outlandish and incorrect ideas about artificial intelligence.

3): Corey Goode promotes the standard New Age disinformation archetype; densities, ascension, channeled material, a "Soul Harvest" of the elite souls on Earth, a smorgasbord of extraterrestrial themed deceptions packaged as our savior, CIA & co influence packaged as spiritual warfare, sentient world destroying alien AI focused on earth (fear porn), etc.

4): Corey Goode has been engineered to be the 'Secret Space Program Headliner', if patterns are the same as other fields there is someone or multiple people out there that this operation is meant to overshadow. One pattern that is a verified CIA method is co-opting something that is against the desires of the CIA, but inevitable. In other words propagating a bastardized version in a topic of interest for various strategic reasons.

5): Corey Goode stated in 2015 before he got big money deals that the 'Blue Avians insist that his information is free.[1]', as seen here:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-A5XK6pu88lk/WQ78tGSX5LI/AAAAAAAAGNA/bAePncog-SQOpN72iHJEgOXRnGxlgMC-ACLcB/s1600/Blue-Avians-insist-its-all-free-optimized.png
Image Credit - ProjectAvalon.net (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode)

6): Corey Goode has stated he is "on the payroll[1]" and has superiors, as seen in this smartphone skype screenshot:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-o8Y91bZrcLY/WQ77wFZw_iI/AAAAAAAAGM0/-4hA9j9_odURkgS9eQqwYrtOUo4KQXTAACLcB/s1600/Corey_Goode_payroll_screenshot.gif
Image Credit - ProjectAvalon.net (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode)

7): Corey says that anything can be faked[1] to rationalize him not presenting evidence or video proof of his solar system exploits, hardly a decent explanation. Stuff like visiting a slave colony on Mars or trips to Venus.

8): As an initiate to the world picture via my own ties I notice real events being interwoven into Corey Goode's story as a means to predictively program the population in areas surrounding ground breaking world changing historic events coming in the 21st century. The shadow government has knowledge of future events and can align PSYOPS strategically weaponized against future events that oppose their dominion. I have discerned that this is happening with the Corey Goode PSYOP.


References:
[1]: ProjectAvalon.net thread created by Bill Ryan: "The Truth About Corey Goode" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode)


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[Chester]

On April 17, 2015, when I met with Coreye Goode (for two hours by the way), I asked Corey about Randy Kramer's "head" claim, and Corey told me that Randy Kramer "stole the story" of his head being severed and then (via the SSP available technology) perfectly and functionally reattached... again, that Kramer stole the story from a 'real' SSP participant who had this happen to him (and who Corey personally knew)... and if I recall correctly, Corey told me this happened on the moon.

Corey developed an early pattern of debunking or scandalizing his competition (before Wilcock signed Corey to the GaiamTV gig and began coaching Corey). An example of the coaching is Corey's early insistence that "all Blue Avian information be free to all mankind" which then subtly moved to "there will be no streaming video fee for his interviews with Wilcock" to "the first two interviews will be free" and I don't think those were ever released and if not, my guess is that they weren't good enough, even with the best attempts to edit them as Corey had not yet been groomed well enough "to present to the public" and thus these interviews were deemed unacceptable.

Corey Goode is just the first "reality TV actor" for the alternative vulneramunity.

Note that when one of these fakes reaches a certain level of success in this community, though they are aware that "the cash in, donation, fee charge pie" is only so big, they sometimes make career decisions as to whether to allow a rising star entry into "the mutual verification club" (because the rising star is perceived a viable threat to their slice of the pie) or to try and debunk the rising star early to see if he can be blocked from cutting into their own fame which equals profits as well.

Look what happened to Cobra - Cobra attempted to debunk Corey but Corey's support team was just too well funded and well trained. Corey played a big role in destroying Cobra. I would guess that the reason Cobra started "doing conferences" was that his cash flow was considerably damaged. Anyone remember Cobra? The electronic voice guy who did this to protect his identity? Suddenly showing up in the flesh at conferences? haha jeez folks, seriously - how can you NOT see you are being conned?

Zelw_0iyqdE

By the way... where did Cobra go?

Sadly I have personal experience as to the lengths some of these folks will go to try and destroy their competition. Documented. In fact, material which the target could use for defamation lawsuits. Material which could cause considerable damage to the perpetrator if the target decided to use it. Interestingly, the target also had their own "skeletons" and so perhaps that's why this material has yet to be used.

Ask yourself, would "6th density, highly evolved beings" select a morally bankrupt human being to deliver their messages of salvation to humanity?

And let me share something else folks... I know for a fact because of all the personal relationships I once had with several folks I met through this community that for the most part each one is well aware of each and every detail I have alluded to above and that they remain silent when, without a doubt, the community would be greatly benefited from their testimony if they would come forward, yetthey stay hidden. I have heard their "reasons." I also (with sadness) accept their position to remain silent. But also, my speculation as to an additional reason they remain silent is in part because they do not want to alienate others who may support their own positions "in the club."

You have been and continue to be had by a large portion of the "stars" that have emerged in this community, folks. Ohhh, and it is the fantastical nature of the stories of the frauds which distracts truthful information seekers from giving their time and attention to the less sensational (and less emotionally delivered) but far more likely truthful witnesses.

[Malgorzata]

One more quick question, Bill, or anyone else for that matter. WHY exactly is David Wilcock supporting Corey? Bill, you seem to have had quite a good relationship with David in the past, I don´t know how it is nowadays, but you know him personally quiet well: what is your take in this matter? Is David being conned? Manipulated? I thought he was supposed to be a psychic?!! I used to, and still do, respect David Wilock, even though many say he is another showman. Where is his ongoing support for Goode steming from???????????????????? Does he know something we don´t perhaps?

[Flash]

One more quick question, Bill, or anyone else for that matter. WHY exactly is David Wilcock supporting Corey? Bill, you seem to have had quite a good relationship with David in the past, I don´t know how it is nowadays, but you know him personally quiet well: what is your take in this matter? Is David being conned? Manipulated? I thought he was supposed to be a psychic?!! I used to, and still do, respect David Wilock, even though many say he is another showman.

David had a threat on his life few years ago, was crying on the report he made of it and since, seems to have been co-opted for dissimination of false information from false people, willingly or not, consciously or not. He may have lack courage to live a poorer life while withdrawing somewhat from public view to save himself. But this never pays in the long run, and yet, less in the much longer run of one's evolution.

This is my opinion, based only what I have observed throughout the years, nothing more, nothing less.

[norman]

A regular listener to the Jimmy Church Fade to Black show, a semi insider and one of the people Jimmy likes to call Fadernaughts, let slip one night that David Wilcock is a hard party drinker when they are all hanging out together.

If I imagine a party at Jimmy's place I imagine the Laurel Canyon scene in 1965.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51FALovNwBL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

As very topical as you might expect the Dave McGowan book to be for an LA based Truth-Jock, I don't think Jimmy has ever done a show about it.

[Bill Ryan]

The section from 0:50 to 2:45 was cut out of this short video, prior to the release of the much more sober published (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmU2VeRRIC8) half hour interview. (I really am wondering who leaked it. :) ) *

As Ron James does his very irreverent impression of David Wilcock and Corey Goode planning what stories to invent for Gaia TV, Richard Dolan is really laughing... and then (wisely!) declines to comment.

If this makes you laugh too, it might be smart to download this — assuming that Ron James has not approved this, and therefore it might disappear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW1TMV-7EtU




* Edit, Monday 8 May: it appears (I've been told) that no-one actually 'leaked' it... it was accidentally included in the original release of the interview, then quickly taken down, re-edited and re-uploaded. But, not before at least one viewer had downloaded the original.

[AutumnW]

Nice video! Unverifiable AND UNfalse-ifiable. People who believe everything exotic that comes their way, aren't 'ascending' aren't 'waking up.' And they are definitely not putting in years of study along the lines of honest rigorous speculation, as Dolan points out. They are looking for cheap thrills and entertainment.

[PurpleLama]

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[Spellbound]

BOOM!! I'd been looking forward to this interview for a few days now. Bill lays things out simple a direct so that people can connect the dots and follow the breadcrumbs. Great interview!! What I don't understand is why David Wilcock has hitched his wagon to Goode (or, perhaps that says something about Wilcock). Eagerly anticipating part 2.

Dave - Toronto

[Callista]

This is not just an excellent interview, it is a valuable lesson in discernment from probably the best mentor on the subject. Gratitude to Bill and thank you Daniel for making this video possible. Everyone should listen to this.

[RunningDeer]

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Project Avalon’s Bill Ryan Speaks Out on Corey Goode

Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt welcomes Project Avalon’s Bill Ryan to the show. Ryan first hit the spotlight a decade ago with his efforts at seeking out Secret Space Program whistleblowers and having them deliver riveting information live on video along with his research partner Kerry Cassidy on the early alternative series called Project Camelot. Eventually Ryan split with Cassidy and developed his own forum of research called Project Avalon which tackles deep subject matter with an informed community.

The Truth is Never Easy

In this special episode, Ryan will go on the record about the details of his viral article called ‘The Truth About Corey Goode’ that is gaining rapid attention and attempts to explain and in some sense unmask the bizarre story of Corey Goode. Ryan had his own interactions with Goode before he went public and believes that his story is unreliable.

Secret Space Circus 2017: The New Normal

Many fact based revelations came out in the last decade about the development of a Secret Space Program including UK Hacker Gary McKinnon discovering an “Off-world Officers List” while reading classified files at NASA, for which the US Government attempted to extradite and charge him with espionage. Other analysts came forward with remarkable disclosures about missing Government funds and the outline of a completely hidden agenda.

In tandem with this fascinating investigative reporting effort, a sideshow also developed with all kinds of discrediting themes, like fantasy beings and galactic ambassadors and space saviors to boot. A lot of this activity has centered around Corey Goode from Texas who claims to be a veteran insider of secret unacknowledged programs involving the military and space, but has offered zero evidence for this incredible assertion. In fact, Goode has no military record except a brief stint in the Texas State Guard, not exactly known as a hotbed of deep intelligence activity.

Ryan has attempted to have Goode take a Lie-Detector test to prove some of his wild assertions or to have him regressed to find out if his memories are real, implanted or fabricated. Goode has rejected the suggestion saying that hypnotic regression is ‘invasive.’ Without these evidentiary methods being employed to verify his memories and with no evidence being presented to support his story, Goode’s account of being in a secret program appears to be falling apart.

Missing Trillions: The Original Secret Space Research Mandate

The original Secret Space Program Conferences organized by Global BEM, including one held in Austin Texas in 2015 and hosted by Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt, featured Former Assistant HUD Secretary Catherine Austin Fitts and Giza Death Star’s Joseph Farrell, and brought forward verifiable evidence along with informed speculation from many experts and scientists and former Government officials. The event raised the spectre of a covert effort that was draining trillions of dollars from the US budget and siphoning them into a Complex Space Endeavor for private interests.

The Secret Space Program investigation took a turn for the bizarre after Gaia TV aired the Goode story even though he was completely unvetted by any journalistic standard and had absolutely no evidence to back up his assertions. It was pumped into the alt-research community by a series of TV episodes they developed for their select audience featuring Interviews with Goode by host David Wilcock.

Goode’s Story

Goode claims to be an insider of various secret programs and a spokesman relaying spiritual messages from a group of alien beings. He has even developed a Comic Book Series of his ET communications with what he calls ‘a Sphere Being Alliance.’ Goode’s story not only sounded like a Sci-Fi fantasy adventure, it also created a new version of a cult- like alien called a 'Blue Avian' with blue skin and feathers.

Goode’s story largely incorporated elements of many Alternative Media themes like fighting the Illuminati, Cabal tribunals, Mandela effect, Breakaway Civilization and Babylonian Magic. Respected authors like Joseph Farrell and Richard Dolan were shocked to see their research shabbily recycled in a sensationalist and histrionic fashion.

With all of this in mind, the question becomes: are those driving this bizarre, unverified, unvetted story about Goode being some kind of an insider in a covert program part of an effort to deflect attention away from the genuine research process underway to find where the missing trillions went that were pumped into the Secret Space Program? Ryan wonders whether all of this hyperbole being presented with no corroborating evidence is a concerted activity meant to replace legitimate inquiry with Sci-Fi adventure tales mixed with faux New Age psychobabble. -darkjournalist.com

[UfonautRadio]

Really enjoyed it Bill. The jury trial analogy was perfect.

[heather6thsense]

There certainly is plenty of evidence stated by Bill to suggest that Corey Goode is not speaking the truth. Part two will be worth listening to. Thank you for sharing.

[sunwings]

Just found this comment in the comments section on a simon parkes youtube video. It speaks volumes.



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[Bill Ryan]

Alexandra Bruce at Forbidden Knowledge TV picked it up, and wrote:


http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/dark-journalist-bill-ryan-secret-space-spooks-and-whistleblower-fail



Dark Journalist: Bill Ryan, Secret Space Spooks and Whistleblower Fail
17 hours ago

Project Avalon (http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/tag/Project-Avalon/)’s Bill Ryan (http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/tag/Bill-Ryan/) is the guest of Dark Journalist (http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/tag/Dark-Journalist/) Daniel Liszt this week to discuss the details of his viral article, “The Truth About Corey Goode (http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/tag/corey-goode/),” which attempts to explain the bizarre story of this man, who claims to be a member of high security Unacknowledged Special Access Programs (http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/tag/unacknowledged-special-access-programs/), but who has offered zero direct evidence for his incredible assertions. Goode often points to the testimony of retired aerospace engineer William Tompkins to support his story, but Tompkins’ story dates to World War II and says nothing about Goode and it has no relation to his claims at all.

Ryan had known Goode before the latter went public and he believes Goode’s story to be unreliable. Ryan sees the case of Corey Goode (http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/tag/corey-goode/) as a test of the future direction in which the independent research community will take on the subject of UFOs and government secrecy.

And that relates to you, Dear Reader. I know that many of you are fans of Corey Goode (http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/tag/corey-goode/) and your opinions will drive the future of this narrative unless or until such Unacknowledged Special Access Programs (http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/tag/unacknowledged-special-access-programs/) are made public.

One might well ask whether Goode’s output is the work of an imbalanced opportunist and one might also ask why a venue like Gaia TV (http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/tag/gaia-tv/) (part of the massive but troubled entertainment conglomerate, Gaiam-Vivendi Entertainment/Cinedigm, whose debts currently outweigh their assets by $13.5M) has promoted the unvetted Corey Goode (http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/tag/corey-goode/) and given him his own show. ‘Cosmic Disclosure’ is co-hosted with David Wilcock, who himself burst into the UFO disclosure community, with claims of being the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce. Wilcock’s predictions over the past several years, about imminent nuclear war and the “Cabal Arrests” of elite evildoers have never come to pass, to say nothing of his one about “Obama UFO disclosure.”

For his part, Goode has developed a comic book series based on his allegations, featuring what he calls the “Sphere Being Alliance,” complete with an extraterrestrial race of “Blue Avians (http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/tag/blue-avians/)” possessing blue skin and feathers. Respected authors, like Joseph Farrell and Richard Dolan have been shocked to find their research recycled in Goode’s colorful narrative.

The question for Bill Ryan (http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/tag/Bill-Ryan/) becomes, what is driving Goode to promote his bizarre, unverified stories? Is it part of an effort to deflect from genuine research into the missing trillions, which more reliable sources say have been pumped into a Secret Space Program? Are all of these New Age Sci-Fi fantasies being presented as the truth, with no corroborating evidence in a concerted effort to discourage legitimate research?

Bill Ryan (http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/tag/Bill-Ryan/), Daniel Liszt, Steven Greer and others believe that the time has come to say that with no evidence presented, Goode’s schtick is exactly the kind of thing that should be investigated in the independent media as a possible intelligence agency psychological operation.

You don’t want to miss this informative and revealing Dark Journalist (http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/tag/Dark-Journalist/) episode!

[Mike]

One more quick question, Bill, or anyone else for that matter. WHY exactly is David Wilcock supporting Corey? Bill, you seem to have had quite a good relationship with David in the past, I don´t know how it is nowadays, but you know him personally quiet well: what is your take in this matter? Is David being conned? Manipulated? I thought he was supposed to be a psychic?!! I used to, and still do, respect David Wilock, even though many say he is another showman.

David had a threat on his life few years ago, was crying on the report he made of it and since, seems to have been co-opted for dissimination of false information from false people, willingly or not, consciously or not. He may have lack courage to live a poorer life while withdrawing somewhat from public view to save himself. But this never pays in the long run, and yet, less in the much longer run of one's evolution.

This is my opinion, based only what I have observed throughout the years, nothing more, nothing less.


Not to veer too far off topic..But I tried to listen to that radio interview last night where Wilcock is describing the nature of the death threat to kerry cassidy..but when someone begins a lengthy explanation with the words "well back in 1921..", I tend to tune out.

It was sort of hard to follow. Wilcock seemed to be saying he released a blog post the illuminatti didnt like, and in order to save his own life they demanded he release the 2nd part??? Doesnt make any sense to me in the slightest. And it between all the banter was this weird mysterious caller repetitively calling kerry cassidy "lassie" in a thick irish brogue. It was distracting.....I just kept thinking: "did he just say 'lassie'??? Do people really still say that?"...and finally: "isnt that sort of an insult?" And while I was having this internal dialogue, Wilcock was giving a history lesson about gold between heavy sobs...

Can someone explain all that to me very briefly?

[Bill Ryan]

And it between all the banter was this weird mysterious caller repetitively calling kerry cassidy "lassie" in a thick irish brogue. It was distracting.....I just kept thinking: "did he just say 'lassie'??? Do people really still say that?"...and finally: "isnt that sort of an insult?" And while I was having this internal dialogue, Wilcock was giving a history lesson about gold between heavy sobs...

Can someone explain all that to me very briefly?

That was this guy here. David Wilcock knows him well, of course, and must have known it was him at the time, as his call in was all set up. (His fake Irish accent was actually quite poor. :) ) For full details —>


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96929-Kerry-Cassidy-Regarding-Protecting-Confidentiality&p=1143811&viewfull=1#post1143811

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[Foxie Loxie]

Follow The Money! :cash::cash: AND...use discernment in your listening or watching! :sherlock:

[Chester]

One more quick question, Bill, or anyone else for that matter. WHY exactly is David Wilcock supporting Corey? Bill, you seem to have had quite a good relationship with David in the past, I don´t know how it is nowadays, but you know him personally quiet well: what is your take in this matter? Is David being conned? Manipulated? I thought he was supposed to be a psychic?!! I used to, and still do, respect David Wilock, even though many say he is another showman.

David had a threat on his life few years ago, was crying on the report he made of it and since, seems to have been co-opted for dissimination of false information from false people, willingly or not, consciously or not. He may have lack courage to live a poorer life while withdrawing somewhat from public view to save himself. But this never pays in the long run, and yet, less in the much longer run of one's evolution.

This is my opinion, based only what I have observed throughout the years, nothing more, nothing less.

I recall well the Project Camelot video 'breakdown' which Wilcock experienced when it appears that his life was threatened. In being completely honest, I came away from that video such that I placed a high degree of probability that what Wilcock experienced did actually happen, and happened in a way he truly thought his life was in danger.

I have a very important point to make about this at the end of this post...

And then I recall David Wilcock's breakdown.. a true, total meltdown... that felt very honest to me YET, what I soon witnessed from just about everyone in the community was a sort of 'calling out' of David's reaction implying that Wilcock was showing cowardice. And I had a quite different read on his reaction. My read was that Wilcock demonstrated fear based on the threat that his death would result in two things... one being that he would not be able to experience the liberation of mankind but two, that he perhaps genuinely believed all this stuff and believed that the role he played was vital to the successful liberation of mankind.

"Wait a minute," some readers of my other posts might say... "Haven't you been saying that both Goode and Wilcock are consciously aware of the fraud they are participating in and perpetuating on the vulnerable?" Yes I have... BUT and this is what may be very important for folks to open their mind to.

It is possible that an individual lives in both worlds... a world we might call, grounded reality and a fantasy world within which they not only assist in creating (and perhaps do so far less knowingly than we might think (or understand). Let me say this in different words.

On one hand I might know at a waking state, conscious level that I am making stuff up and that I have entered into a dynamic with others where we have become quite good at co-making this stuff up as we go... and that we can do this deftly where viewers perceive we are sincere, honest, etc.

Yet on the other hand... in our private, subjective world, we might experience 'confirmations' of our private, inner world belief/experience' via various forms of data entry into our waking state consciousness... whether they be experiences we experience through interactions with others or interactions with the objective world as it appears to spontaneously arise within our awareness... but also and quite importantly where thoughts arise (pop into our heads) which corroborate/support a secret inner world where one might really believe one is part of some incredible "secret/savior" space program.

Now please follow along a little further. If you have a psychological vulnerability towards a savior complex, you are a perfect candidate for this. And if you can be identified as someone who has this (and other) vulnerabilities... you could be identified and then targeted for 'grooming' by real world, nefarious third parties who are motivated to create a false narrative supported by fakes who are witting or unwitting or (as perhaps in the case of Corey Goode... possibly both depending on which 'self' is in charge at any particular moment.

Let me elaborate further... there is a great deal of available information on the subject of "gang stalking." Omnisense (a member) has shared a great deal of support information in this regard and one source Omni sited is Dr. John Hall. In fact a quick search pulled up this video of Dr. Hall's which supports the very next point I was going to make (and which Bill and others have also been pointing to) - the usage of sophisticated "mind management tech" on targeted individuals -

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And so I will close as follows - That in the case of Goode, I would not be surprised that Goode is not just a self-creation, but that he may have been identified long ago by one or more third parties (who may be independent of each other but desire to achieve roughly the same goals or who may also be working together loosely or even closely to achieve the same goals) as a quite viable candidate focus upon to steer, groom, manipulate and manage such that a goal to create serious distractions and false savior memes may be achieved. This actually accomplishes many goals, one) being to keep as much of humanity as possible believing the grand fantasy movie (of which SSP is just one of many facets) to divert most of us from serious questioning of reality and two) to ensure that humanity continues to (unwittingly) provide funding for what may very well be a "real" SSP (and perhaps more than one).

Finally I wish to point out what has been on Goode's Linkedin profile - a profile he had up for years, took down when folks found it back in early 2015.. an iteration that had far less embellishment than this current iteration which I am surprised to see he has reposted - again... what has been on and still can be found on Goode's profile -

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http://snu.edu/

This university is a Christian evangelical university.

Notice Corey's studies are in Religion and Psychology.

If I were profiling for a candidate to become the next savior meme / distractotainer, what better candidate than someone who has been schooled in human psychology (and perhaps has a better grasp on how to manipulate humans) as well as someone who buys into the Jesus is Savior meme and learns all the Christian buzz words and phrases that promulgate this meme?

Notice the 'Christian meme' undertones in not just Goode's messaging (especially loaded up in the early days of his coming out) but also over the years in Wilcock's materials too? And notice the target audience is first and foremost the English speaking world and we know the most dominant religion of that world is Christian based.

My last comment is to make sure what I just wrote is not interpreted to conclude that I have anything against anyone who might enjoy involvement in any religion though I don't do religion. I just hope that folks always maintain at least one foot touching the ground.

[Bayareamom]

..."There is nothing serious in this endeavour of theirs and it belittles the lives of those who have actual experience in these kind of things. People like myself and others want the damned truth to come out. Not some fantasy story some guy makes up which is exactly what he has done. Certainly not fame or my name on a damned mug!..."

YES. Thank you for stating this so succinctly.

[Bill Ryan]

This is interesting to read, a blog page by someone who heard about the story indirectly.


http://yuuut.com/corey-goode-space-program

Of interest may be first comment from a woman ('Tara'), who knew him long ago.




I knew ‘Corey’ in his younger, school years. He was a guy with a low self esteem, yet somewhat a narcissist who believed everyone around him would be regretful for not accepting him into their circles, when he became famous and powerful as an adult. He really should seek help and see a psychologist.
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[DbDraad]

What an interesting thread. Sam Hunter, I sense you have some even more interesting things to share, but are wisely holding back in public. Keep safe all.

[Malgorzata]

I wonder why no one is approaching Corey´s WIFE for more information? She surely would shed some light on all this too. How long do they know each other? Where and how did they meet? What was he like before? What does SHE think of his story? What about his parents and family? I would love to have access to these people.

[onawah]

I didn't get into Corey's info when he was here on Avalon, or afterwards, for that matter.
It didn't resonate with me, and didn't ring as truth, for the most part, so I just avoided it all.
But there was one thread on Avalon about Native American lore or something Native American (can't remember now), where I intersected with him briefly, and the feeling I got about him was that he was deeply wounded, especially in his male pride, because of the terrible injustices that the N.A.s have suffered, and I sensed he has had more than one important life as a N.A., and that has made him a vulnerable target to those in the cabal, etc. who would use him for their own agenda.

[Nasu]

I wonder why no one is approaching Corey´s WIFE for more information? She surely would shed some light on all this too. How long do they know each other? Where and how did they meet? What was he like before? What does SHE think of his story? What about his parents and family? I would love to have access to these people.

Saw this on the comments section to that article Bill just posted and thought of you. Who knows if it's true or not... N
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Tara September 2, 2015 at 11:14 PM

I knew ‘Corey’ in his younger. school years. Hew was a guy with a low self esteem, yet somewhat a narcissist who believed everyone around him would be regretful for not accepting him into their circles, when he became famous and powerful as an adult. He really should seek help and see a psychologist.
...........................................................................

[Chester]

I wonder why no one is approaching Corey´s WIFE for more information? She surely would shed some light on all this too. How long do they know each other? Where and how did they meet? What was he like before? What does SHE think of his story? What about his parents and family? I would love to have access to these people.

Well, I engaged with her over on TOT. Within a two or so day stretch, I exchanged posts with her where it appears my responses led her to leaving that forum. I had a tendency to be quite direct in those days... and I think she saw she was boxed in and so chose the easy way out. From the posts I read, Stacy appears to be a co-creator of the "story" and a staunch defender too. Keep in mind this was just about two years ago.

[Spellbound]

The section from 0:50 to 2:45 was cut out of this short video, prior to the release of the much more sober published (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmU2VeRRIC8) half hour interview. (I really am wondering who leaked it. :) ) *

As Ron James does his very irreverent impression of David Wilcock and Corey Goode planning what stories to invent for Gaia TV, Richard Dolan is really laughing... and then (wisely!) declines to comment.

If this makes you laugh too, it might be smart to download this — assuming that Ron James has not approved this, and therefore it might disappear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW1TMV-7EtU




* Edit, Monday 8 May: it appears (I've been told) that no-one actually 'leaked' it... it was accidentally included in the original release of the interview, then quickly taken down, re-edited and re-uploaded. But, not before at least one viewer had downloaded the original.


LMAO.....that's awesome!! Haha, I'm still laughing.

Dave - Toronto

[Ewan]

I'm really slow sometimes... but it just occurred to me earlier that this all transpired directly from Senior Seeker's crusade, I wonder if the same thought has crossed her mind yet.

There might be a valuable lesson there somewhere.

[Bayareamom]

I think this may be the relevant thread to post this - apologies if not. I just ran across this website yesterday and after reading through some of it, thought enough of this man's critical analysis on the whole Corey Goode/Tompkins issue, to share it.

http://sitsshow.blogspot.com/2016/11/Uniting-The-People-For-Full-Disclosure-Steven-Greers-Cosmic-False-Flag-Presentation-Review-Commentary-Analysis-and-Assessment-of-Claims-Goode-and-Tompkins.html

SNIP:

Crediblity

..."Credibility is a term referring to a person's likelihood of speaking the truth, based on various indirect sources of appraisal. For example, if a whistleblower comes forward who claims to have worked for a secret government project and offers a document that substantiates their testimony, this person would have more credibility than one who does not have such evidence.

Corey Goode has no such documentation, whereas William Tompkins does, and thus from a credibility standpoint, Tompkins is said to be more credible than Goode—using the strictest definition of the word. But with respect to the general usage of the term credibility—a reference to if someone can be trusted to tell the truth—there is no appreciable difference between Goode and Tompkins. This sense of credibility is an indirect, hazy, and nebulous way of assessing veracity—how true something is. In other words, credibility is like wondering around in the dark, whereas an assessment of objective evidence specifically addressing claims is like a spotlight cast into that same darkness. The quality of discernment gained by analsys of direct evidence is far superior to a credibility measure alone..."

AND

..."But the truth is not democratic, it simply is. It doesn't matter how many people believe something, it doesn't change the truth in the slightest. Only coherence with truth determines veracity, which requires objective means of assessment.

Similarly, if researchers only use corroboration and credibility as a means of vetting whistleblowers, and do not keep an open mind and assess claims objectively, they will dismiss genuine testimony as false. In doing so, researchers might paint anything genuine whistleblowers have brought forward with a brush of falseness, preventing them from gaining access to the greater truth.

Quite possibly Dr. Greer has made the error of what can be called corrobration bias, and thus the data that Goode, Tompkins, and others provide is assumed to be false because it doesn't fit the established narrative.

Conclusions about Goode and Tompkins

With respect to Dr. Greer's assertion that Tompkins and Goode are not telling the truth, it is possible (based on the EM mind-control data) that they could be victims of electromagnetic mind control, or they could be outright fraudsters. Yet there is just as much indirect evidence available to say they are genuine. But more to the point, there is no evidence to definitively suggest their testimony is false. Goode admits he has had EM mind-control technology used on him but that does not unequivocally support the claim that his testimony is fabricated. Especially since, like Dr. Greer, he claims to be able to know the difference between scripted and real experiences.

Given that Dr. Greer has no personal accounts to offer, other than a lucid dream that even he implies might be fabricated, Goode and Tompkins' claims—insofar as being first hand accounts—are superior to Dr. Greer's claims, as Dr. Greer is only an analyst in this respect..."

I don't know who this person is (other than his name), but I really like this website.

[sunwings]

Corey´s latest adventure is a comic of his life story. It is summarised as:

Comic Disclosure is a unique line of graphic novel media accurately depicting and disseminating the testimony of modern era super heroes, aka whistleblowers. AKA Corey the Avian

Details can be found here on this new website with pretty graphics!



https://www.comicdisclosure.com/

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PMJu2JvYYog/WKOFr4Go8aI/AAAAAAAAfBo/2e0WWRx2GooyKwzi2B6qd7pXks6spGFewCLcB/s400/hqdefault%2B%252812%2529.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

I don't know who this person is (other than his name), but I really like this website.

The site is very much pro-Corey, and has showcased his material from the very beginning.


"Corey Goode has no such documentation, whereas William Tompkins does, and thus from a credibility standpoint, Tompkins is said to be more credible than Goode—using the strictest definition of the word."

Yes, I'd fully agree with that.


"This sense of credibility is an indirect, hazy, and nebulous way of assessing veracity—how true something is. In other words, credibility is like wondering around in the dark, whereas an assessment of objective evidence specifically addressing claims is like a spotlight cast into that same darkness. The quality of discernment gained by analsys of direct evidence is far superior to a credibility measure alone..."

Nonsense. That merely shows up extremely woolly thinking. It's absolutely possible to grade and compare different degrees of credibility.

The entire thing is a broad spectrum, from 100% certain or highly probably true at one end, to impossible and 100% unreliable at the other.

[Mike]

I think this may be the relevant thread to post this - apologies if not. I just ran across this website yesterday and after reading through some of it, thought enough of this man's critical analysis on the whole Corey Goode/Tompkins issue, to share it.

http://sitsshow.blogspot.com/2016/11/Uniting-The-People-For-Full-Disclosure-Steven-Greers-Cosmic-False-Flag-Presentation-Review-Commentary-Analysis-and-Assessment-of-Claims-Goode-and-Tompkins.html

SNIP:

Crediblity

..."Credibility is a term referring to a person's likelihood of speaking the truth, based on various indirect sources of appraisal. For example, if a whistleblower comes forward who claims to have worked for a secret government project and offers a document that substantiates their testimony, this person would have more credibility than one who does not have such evidence.

Corey Goode has no such documentation, whereas William Tompkins does, and thus from a credibility standpoint, Tompkins is said to be more credible than Goode—using the strictest definition of the word. But with respect to the general usage of the term credibility—a reference to if someone can be trusted to tell the truth—there is no appreciable difference between Goode and Tompkins. This sense of credibility is an indirect, hazy, and nebulous way of assessing veracity—how true something is. In other words, credibility is like wondering around in the dark, whereas an assessment of objective evidence specifically addressing claims is like a spotlight cast into that same darkness. The quality of discernment gained by analsys of direct evidence is far superior to a credibility measure alone..."

AND

..."But the truth is not democratic, it simply is. It doesn't matter how many people believe something, it doesn't change the truth in the slightest. Only coherence with truth determines veracity, which requires objective means of assessment.

Similarly, if researchers only use corroboration and credibility as a means of vetting whistleblowers, and do not keep an open mind and assess claims objectively, they will dismiss genuine testimony as false. In doing so, researchers might paint anything genuine whistleblowers have brought forward with a brush of falseness, preventing them from gaining access to the greater truth.

Quite possibly Dr. Greer has made the error of what can be called corrobration bias, and thus the data that Goode, Tompkins, and others provide is assumed to be false because it doesn't fit the established narrative.

Conclusions about Goode and Tompkins

With respect to Dr. Greer's assertion that Tompkins and Goode are not telling the truth, it is possible (based on the EM mind-control data) that they could be victims of electromagnetic mind control, or they could be outright fraudsters. Yet there is just as much indirect evidence available to say they are genuine. But more to the point, there is no evidence to definitively suggest their testimony is false. Goode admits he has had EM mind-control technology used on him but that does not unequivocally support the claim that his testimony is fabricated. Especially since, like Dr. Greer, he claims to be able to know the difference between scripted and real experiences.

Given that Dr. Greer has no personal accounts to offer, other than a lucid dream that even he implies might be fabricated, Goode and Tompkins' claims—insofar as being first hand accounts—are superior to Dr. Greer's claims, as Dr. Greer is only an analyst in this respect..."

I don't know who this person is (other than his name), but I really like this website.



This article makes no sense at all. Contradictions abound. Sophistry and doubletalk.

I mean this when I say that I don't think the author knows what he believes. Its gobbeldygook.

I could pick it apart sentence by sentence. Using his own words, the article is "indirect, hazy, and nebulous"

[Bayareamom]

Well, you and I will have to agree to disagree. I have never heard of the individual who writes this blog before today (or actually late yesterday). I stayed open minded when I read what he has to say. It resonates w/me completely. Having said that, I am not saying I agree w/every thing he states, but generally speaking what he has to say, makes a lot of sense.

Did you read the entirety of that above article? Did you also read his critique of Bill's interview w/the Dark Journalist? I think he's done a very credible job. He did not demean Bill's interview, nor fully support Goode. I feel he handled the information he presented w/a brevity I don't often see in this genre.

But again, just my own .02.

[Bayareamom]

"...The entire thing is a broad spectrum, from 100% certain or highly probably true at one end, to impossible and 100% unreliable at the other."

First, make certain, please Bill, that others on this forum realize that quote was not from me, but from the linked website. I know absolutely very little about this man's blog, therefore have no idea (nor really care) that he's been generally supportive of Goode's testimony. This man is certainly free to decide for himself as to whether he believes Corey's testimony. I tried reading thru his website w/an open mind, and although I don't necessarily agree with every little thing he's stated, generally speaking, I do understand where he's coming from.

While I respect most of your hard work, Bill (and Kerry's as well), I do have a few criticisms. If anyone on this forum would take the time to review Corey's response to Bill's interview w/the Dark Journalist (I have), I do agree w/a few points made by both Goode and Deschamps (hope I spelled that correctly). Corey posted a link to a blog about outsourcing within the IT field. This was written in, I believe, 2003. So well before Corey came out w/his story? Corey wrote a comment underneath that article. It does beggar the question as to why Corey would write that comment under that particular article if he wasn't working in the field.

Two, this claim that there is some sort of video which purports to show that Goode and his wife were colluding in some sort of scam re Wilcock. Where's the video? Corey has asked that this video be proffered, but thus far, it has not. If I were in some sort of legal position within which to ask for proof of evidence, that evidence would most assuredly have to be proffered during testimony if deemed truly valuable/evidentiary.

Also, to simply state that someone has witnessed a whistle-blower's credentials privately, but that I should (or anyone else should) accept this as proof w/o having seen it for myself (as in some sort of screenshot so I can view it myself), is not yet again, proven to be evidence which can therefore be accepted as valid.

Also, and because of my own involvement w/this genre on a very private level, I do know for a fact that there are many of us who have had these black ops experiences who have never, and will never, go public with them, for a variety of reasons. Safety being priority number one, not only for ourselves, but for our loved ones and others of whom are also involved. So please don't presume, Bill, that simply because you've spoken to numerous individuals on this topic, does not make you or anyone else, more knowledgeable in some way, than perhaps those of us who are involved first hand, but because of various factors are not free to speak out.

This is a very, very complicated topic, but one that I would hope researchers treat with the utmost respect and integrity as they can. Too often, and on more occasions than I would have hoped, I see bias heap itself into a report on this subject. It's HARD to keep one's bias from entering the scope and breadth of this material. It's been hard for ME to accept what has happened to me as well.

Ironically, the entirety of my own experiences has been learning how to use the skill and art of discernment, and I do mean under some extremely difficult and trying circumstances; almost to the point I have been taken well beyond my ability and coping mechanism at times. It's been HARD.

So - on that note, I am thrilled to see that the issue with discernment and integrity has now become a major focus for this movement.

It 's been sorely needed.

[Bayareamom]

http://sitsshow.blogspot.com/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html

SNIP: (I wholeheartedly support the below comments):

..."At this point, no definitive judgement or discernment can take place; the only thing that can be done is to speculate on what might have happened based on the evidence one does have. What tends to happen in this situation is people unconsciously assume that lack a of evidence is evidence of something else—this is a logical fallacy. Claims require evidence. When there is no evidence, a credibility assessment can give us a guess, but that's all it is.

Assessing credibility allows us to gauge how likely people are to be telling the truth based on how truthful they have been in the past. And contrary to popular belief, while credibility can be a useful guide it still doesn't mean they can be believed without question. Credible people may say things that are not true. People lacking in credibility may say things that are true..."

AND

.."I reached out to Bill Ryan and asked if he would like to respond, with the goal of settling the controversy so we can get back to fixing the planet. He has yet to reply, but should he, I will produce an update..."

I hope Bill responds to this gentleman. Deschamps has proffered some very interesting perspectives on this issue. I think he's been thoughtful in his critique, for both sides.

[Bayareamom]

Regarding credible people: I have learned via my own personal experience, that people lacking in true integrity may indeed state things at times, which are true. On the other hand, normally credible people may state things which are not true, for a number of reasons (as in perhaps having a certain belief system when it's not been realized this belief system is false). Hope this makes sense.

Given all that I have been going through and all that I now understand is why I find Deschamps' material so refreshing.

[Nasu]

Corey´s latest adventure is a comic of his life story. It is summarised as:

Comic Disclosure is a unique line of graphic novel media accurately depicting and disseminating the testimony of modern era super heroes, aka whistleblowers. AKA Corey the Avian

Details can be found here on this new website with pretty graphics!



https://www.comicdisclosure.com/

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PMJu2JvYYog/WKOFr4Go8aI/AAAAAAAAfBo/2e0WWRx2GooyKwzi2B6qd7pXks6spGFewCLcB/s400/hqdefault%2B%252812%2529.jpg

Ha ha. Lol. Thanks for posting a link to that page. What a funny joke. Such hilarious pictures. Him in handcuffs, meeting aliens, visiting inner earth hangouts, cone-heads, Nelson Mandela, you know the usual stuff... How absurdly silly. Can you imagine a similar so called historical graphics page for Assange or Snowdon??? I think not. The court has seen enough, it rests it's case...

I think just refer anyone to that page from now on when they mention his name and say no more. By his own hand, or that of his graphic designer, he has shot himself squarely in the face....x.... N

ps. Not sure which is funnier, the juxtaposition of all those misty eyed images of Corey's gentle and angelically innocent face or the high functioning aliens choosing him to represent the many diverse tribes of Earth, given his extensive world experience. lol

[Mike]

Well, you and I will have to agree to disagree. I have never heard of the individual who writes this blog before today (or actually late yesterday). I stayed open minded when I read what he has to say. It resonates w/me completely. Having said that, I am not saying I agree w/every thing he states, but generally speaking what he has to say, makes a lot of sense.

Did you read the entirety of that above article? Did you also read his critique of Bill's interview w/the Dark Journalist? I think he's done a very credible job. He did not demean Bill's interview, nor fully support Goode. I feel he handled the information he presented w/a brevity I don't often see in this genre.

But again, just my own .02.




i like to write as simply as possible. i like things succinct and to the point. clear. easily understandable. and i prefer to read things that fit this criteria too. i found myself getting dizzy reading that article. i had to read certain sentences and passages 2 or 3 times. they just didnt make any sense.

even his definition of 'credibility' is little excessively worded. i'm not sure where he got it. when i typed 'credibility' into the google searchbox, the first thing i got back was this: "the quality of being trusted and believed in". i like that. short and to the point. no fat on that at all. easily understandable.

he begins his article by agreeing that someone like Tompkins - who is someone with verifiable documentation - is more credible than someone like corey goode - who is someone who has no documentation. but then in the very next sentence writes that there is no difference between the 2. huh? specifically, he said there is no 'appreciable' difference (appreciable: large or important enough to be noticed)

imagine going to a job interview with an impressive resume. imagine you are competing against someone who has *no* resume, *no* verifiable sources. *no* documentation. imagine that the other person gets the job. and imagine approaching the boss to ask why, only to be told that "there is no appreciable difference between the two of you". makes zero sense, right?

there is nothing "indirect, hazy, or nebulous" about documentation. its about as direct and clear as you can get.

his analogy that begins "credibility is like walking around in the dark" etc, makes not the slightest bit of sense. he seems to think 'credibility' and 'assessment of objective evidence' are somehow mutually exclusive. i mean, wouldnt verified documentation qualify as 'objective evidence'?

i dunno, its just sloppy writing to me. it doesnt mean anything.

no, the "truth is not democratic". i agree. but what does that have to do with anything???

in the next paragraph he writes "similarly, if researchers only use corroboration and credibility as a means of vetting whistleblowers, and do not keep an open mind and assess claims objectively, they will dismiss genuine testimony as false." HUH??? really, whats more objective than corroboration and credibility??? and if you take corroboration and credibility out of the equation, WHATS LEFT??? nothing "objective", i can assure you of that. after that you simply have your intuition, which i think we'd all agree is definitively *subjective*.

i could go on and on...
=====================================

no, i didnt read the critique of the interview, but i will take a look..just out of curiosity.

also, i do appreciate you posting the article. its interesting to see what others in the alt community are saying. i do respect you and your opinion. this is no knock on you. i just cant find any real value in the article.

[Sierra]

Two, this claim that there is some sort of video which purports to show that Goode and his wife were colluding in some sort of scam re Wilcock. Where's the video? Corey has asked that this video be proffered, but thus far, it has not. If I were in some sort of legal position within which to ask for proof of evidence, that evidence would most assuredly have to be proffered during testimony if deemed truly valuable/evidentiary.

No, there was no video. It was a scuttlebutt from someone who said they saw (via a three letter agency's tools that can listen, and see what is going on in a room via a personal computer) the conversation but it was not recorded or if there was a recording, it did not see the light of day. Just one anecdote among many that does not offer "proof" but slots into a narrative to build a picture.

After all, if the potentially existing video *was* released, all hell would break loose, at proof positive the spooks spy on us at home.

I think it's more a case of "Oh, what a tangled web we weave...when first we practice to deceive."
- Walter Scott

Corey refuses both a polygraph, and regression. No "proof" there either.

There were many discrepancies before Corey contracted with Gaiam TV to sail off into fantasyland, and sell key chains, hats, and mugs for fun and profit.

But in my personal opinion, the worst action on the part of Corey was to say he is "counseling" thirty or so milabs. Without cleaning himself up first. I don't see how ANYONE can simultaneously counsel 30 people, write comic books, attend meetings in outer space, the Antarctica, sit for photoshopped portraits, and do interviews with David Wilcock on Gaiam TV. Just does not compute.

[Innocent Warrior]

Hi, a couple of corrections to avoid confusion -


Did you also read his critique of Bill's interview w/the Dark Journalist?

If you're referring to THIS (http://sitsshow.blogspot.com.au/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html) article, that's not in response to the Dark Journalist interview, it's about Bill's article from the OP of this thread.


First, make certain, please Bill, that others on this forum realize that quote was not from me, but from the linked website.

Note Bill's use of quotation marks.

Update: There is also THIS (http://sitsshow.blogspot.com.au/2017/04/analysis-of-the-truth-about-corey-goode-by-bill-ryan-don-t-let-the-fear-of-disinformation-divide-us.html) article available on his blog, also not about the Dark Journalist interview.

Bayareamom, to avoid confusion, please provide links to the articles you are referring to. Thank you.

[Chester]

Bill-

I arrived at the veracity of the SSP subject and of Corey Goode FIRST through a different source who deserves equal scrutiny, as his story parallels Coreys'. And I was genuinely surprised that his name did not surface in the Dark Journalist interview, especially because the subject of eyewitness corroboration was discussed as a tool to help the integrity of claim. Namely, Randy Cramer's testimony (as US Marine Captain) and details about his involvement for 17 years in the program.

His claim (like Coreys') shares many details about the SSP program, the transport ships, the training at an early age... etc. To the best of my knowledge I believe they have not officially corresponded or have met, but are aware of each other.

-Brian

Check this post

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1151216&viewfull=1#post1151216

Corey had studied several of these stories well so that he could create a believable enough story himself, borrowing some elements from these other stories, him and Stacy using their their imaginations in a collaboration which, when Wilcock saw Corey as a viable (but rough and raw "star" who could make stuff up unconscionably on the fly) he heard that "ChaChing" sound ringing in his ears and jumped on it, isolated Corey quick, stopped his constant story changes and gaffs and soon turned him into the alt media star lapped up by the ready to pay and donate vulnerable eager to buy false hope... sad sad.

Just as an example, when it became a serious public relations nightmare for Corey a sum of $1,200 dollars Christine Anderson had lent to Corey... I mean literally within hours of this going public, after Corey's original promises to repay her had turned into Corey ignoring her every attempt at contact... truly, literally within a few hours of all this going public, Christine was magically repaid and the word is that the money came from the GaiamTV execs fearing their investment in this budding star might get trashed before leaving the gate.

This is all fact and is documented on another forum as well as backed up on screen shots by those who had seen too many posts disappearing.

[Bayareamom]

Rachel,

I've provided links to every article I've spoken about, including the links to the article itself. Don't understand what the confusion is. You've perhaps misread my comments and assumed I was speaking about the Dark Journalist interview when rather, I was speaking about the Deschamps blog.

[Bayareamom]

To clarify (and then I'm finished w/this discussion) - I have absolutely no idea what Corey Goode is all about. Zip. Zilch. Further, I could care less. I've heard about him only within the context of the information provided about Goode's reliability a la this PA forum. I have no desire to learn about Goode's testimony. It simply doesn't interest me. I do recall during a phone conversation w/a friend here at the Forum (quite awhile ago) that Goode's name was mentioned, but as I stated during that conversation, I knew little to nothing about Corey. Period. I have no dog in this race.

I care, very much, about the integrity of the research done on this topic. That's my concern. I do not wish to get into argumentative dialogue about who said what, or any type of he said/she said scenario. Not my cup of tea.

I've said my peace on this issue.

Thanks.

[norman]

I heard recently that Corey Goode is trying to get down to Antarctica as a 'tourist'. My mind boggles, but has anyone else heard about this or if he's been and returned or whatever ?

[WhiteFeather]

It should be noted that "Gaia" is all over facebook. It always comes up as a suggested page for me. Gaia.tv pushes alot of Wilcox and Corey. Random people I'm friends with on facebook "like" it. So it is being very well funded and pushed hard on social media.

This is a red flag in and of itself in my opinion....

(I've noticed gaia.tv in my FB feed also)

Yes. This is being promoted and pushed.

From this interesting page:


https://hubpages.com/education/Whistleblowers-And-Insiders-Reveal-The-Veracity-of-Secret-Space-Programs

~~~




Celebrity Status

Based on my extensive research into this article Whistleblowers And Insiders Reveal The Veracity of Secret Space Programs, no whistleblowers I know of has ever been offered their own TV Show. In fact most are either in prison, have fled to other countries, gone into hiding or are dead. Corey Goode may be the first whistleblower ever to gain financial freedom, celebrity status and his own TV Show, while supposedly exposing the crimes of the SSP to the public. Truly an amazing accomplishment!

It really makes one wonder about David too....they probably get weekly checks signed by "John Doe".

Glad you brought that up re David Wilcock... I had my doubts now with both of them ( The Laurel and Hardy Act if i may). This thread by Bill and the other comments here so solidifies my thoughts on both of them.

[Matthew]

It should be noted that "Gaia" is all over facebook. It always comes up as a suggested page for me. Gaia.tv pushes alot of Wilcox and Corey. Random people I'm friends with on facebook "like" it. So it is being very well funded and pushed hard on social media.

This is a red flag in and of itself in my opinion....

(I've noticed gaia.tv in my FB feed also)

Yes. This is being promoted and pushed.

From this interesting page:


https://hubpages.com/education/Whistleblowers-And-Insiders-Reveal-The-Veracity-of-Secret-Space-Programs

~~~



Celebrity Status

Based on my extensive research into this article 'Whistleblowers And Insiders Reveal The Veracity of Secret Space Programs', no whistleblowers I know of have ever been offered their own TV Show. In fact most are either in prison, have fled to other countries, gone into hiding, or are dead. Corey Goode may be the first whistleblower ever to gain financial freedom, celebrity status and his own TV Show, while supposedly exposing the crimes of the SSP to the public. Truly an amazing accomplishment!

Hi all. This point has been said but I would like to repeat it because it feels important to me. Comparing Corey Goode to mainstream whistleblowers like Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning (now Chelsea Manning). Look at how Snowden and Manning had to release their info in secret. Then when uncovered... the trouble they got in is famous. They didn't do a bit of blowing then get a contract signed for a regular TV show to do more

[AutumnW]

I heard recently that Corey Goode is trying to get down to Antarctica as a 'tourist'. My mind boggles, but has anyone else heard about this or if he's been and returned or whatever ?

Goode is such a creative yarn spinner, he could turn an encounter with penguins into an abduction by the 'Black and White Avians.'

"And then...these tuxedoed aliens spirited me away to icy caverns where they forced me to eat fish!"

[UfonautRadio]

Bill,

What is your impression and relationship status with Wilcox now? There is plenty of guilt by grooming / association with connection to this case.

[Mike]

Bill,

What is your impression and relationship status with Wilcox now? There is plenty of guilt by grooming / association with connection to this case.



David Wilcox: american folk singer, songwriter.
http://thefreight.org/sites/default/files/100912.jpg


David WilCOCK: profoundly douchey, morally suspect alt media "researcher"
http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/106013/images/David-Wilcock.png

:)

[Bill Ryan]

Bill,

What is your impression and relationship status with Wilcox now? There is plenty of guilt by grooming / association with connection to this case.

I wrote to both Michael Salla and David Wilcock in early 2015 to offer detailed information that could assist them in doing due diligence, before they got too far in.

Michael, who is a very decent man, and whom I like personally, replied but said he "was committed". He used those words. That astonished me. Research is about truth, whatever it is, and analysis of data, including new data — not about reinforcing and defending a committed position.

David did not respond.

[UfonautRadio]

I did look at CG's Likedin page, https://www.linkedin.com/in/corey-goode-7024621/. It seems like from his references that he did indeed work in the IT field.

[Atlas]

It seems like from his references that he did indeed work in the IT field.
If I remember correctly, it was computer maintenance services.

[TargeT]

It seems like from his references that he did indeed work in the IT field.

He may say that, but from conversations with him I highly doubt it.

I work for an agency that the one he claims to have worked for would pattern itself after as far as IT policy and work flow goes; he may have known someone that worked in IT, possible had some personal interest that gave him more knowledge than the average person.... but that's it in my opinion.

[Chester]

Ah sorry Bill. I do get confused with the timeline. I did look at CG's Likedin page, https://www.linkedin.com/in/corey-goode-7024621/. It seems like from his references that he did indeed work in the IT field.

People can take various low level IT type courses and obtain certificates from these courses which can then assist a candidate into being given a well supervised, entry level job in the IT field. From there, its all about "what can you do" as to where you go from there. In my experience, when one sees job hopping in a resume, regardless of the usage of fluffy techno-wording, that's a red flag.

In addition, when someone leaves a career and then, the resume that was posted prior to leaving (like Goode's on Linkedin) suddenly more than doubles in size by simply expanding and embellishing all that fluffy wording... knowing no one is going to be calling any of those references for backup makes the resume expansion look like just another effort to "window dress" and my experience with Goode (with Wilcock / Gaia's help) has become adept at doing.

Sadly this is just one example of the distraction weapon.

[TargeT]

People can take various low level IT type courses and obtain certificates from these courses which can then assist a candidate into being given a well supervised, entry level job in the IT field. From there, its all about "what can you do" as to where you go from there. In my experience, when one sees job hopping in a resume, regardless of the usage of fluffy techno-wording, that's a red flag.
.

Plenty of real world examples out there.. This is what Goode's should look like (roughly) given his statements:

http://i.imgur.com/IuRzbx5.png

So I do disagree with "job hopping" a bit, especially if they are in the same career field as it's quite common to find someone shifting jobs every 3 years or so; "career field hopping" however.. I completely agree.

Corey has been at it longer than I have and has 1 certification.. this is a red flag to me.. I've been at it for some 6 years less than he and have 9 certifications with many that have expired as well. IT certifications are pretty important when working in the field.

but the BIGGEST red flag is this:

He worked in IT until 2012 for the Texas National Guard... Well, I happen to work for the National Guard and DOD 8570 (https://www.imgva.com/8570-requirements/) was in implementation at that time. he would have had NO CHOICE but to get a MINIMUM of a Comp TIA Security+ certification or something more sophisticated, this is "the golden ticket" to DOD jobs and is mandatory with in 6 months of obtaining a position.

He doesn't list that certification or any of the higher ones mandated by 8570... That's a rather large discrepancy.

[abmqa]

Sam - I agree 100% with your assessment of Corey's resume. When I left the Air Force I worked in the IT Field eventually reaching management level.

If Corey's resume came across my desk, I would think that he either was not very good at his job, or he did a lot short term engagements for a Temp agency. The number of engagements of 6 months or shorter is very unusual. As most employers for the skills that he lists are often looking to fill a permanent position.

His resume most likely would be rejected with no further action. A curious manager might schedule a phone interview and perhaps ask to see his certs like the ones I have attached showing my certs for Quality Assurance.

[Chester]

People can take various low level IT type courses and obtain certificates from these courses which can then assist a candidate into being given a well supervised, entry level job in the IT field. From there, its all about "what can you do" as to where you go from there. In my experience, when one sees job hopping in a resume, regardless of the usage of fluffy techno-wording, that's a red flag.
.

Plenty of real world examples out there.. This is what Goode's should look like (roughly) given his statements:

http://i.imgur.com/IuRzbx5.png

So I do disagree with "job hopping" a bit, especially if they are in the same career field as it's quite common to find someone shifting jobs every 3 years or so; "career field hopping" however.. I completely agree.

Corey has been at it longer than I have and has 1 certification.. this is a red flag to me.. I've been at it for some 6 years less than he and have 9 certifications with many that have expired as well. IT certifications are pretty important when working in the field.

but the BIGGEST red flag is this:

He worked in IT until 2012 for the Texas National Guard... Well, I happen to work for the National Guard and DOD 8570 (https://www.imgva.com/8570-requirements/) was in implementation at that time. he would have had NO CHOICE but to get a MINIMUM of a Comp TIA Security+ certification or something more sophisticated, this is "the golden ticket" to DOD jobs and is mandatory with in 6 months of obtaining a position.

He doesn't list that certification or any of the higher ones mandated by 8570... That's a rather large discrepancy.

Great points and beyond my pay grade to even know as I am a civilian... but please look at Corey's resume again. I am not referring to having many jobs on a resume, I am referring to all the extremely short term jobs...

going backwards

4 months

3 months

3 months

1 year and 1 month (better)

1 year and 9 months (better)

9 months

2 years and 5 months (better)

2 months

5 months

3 months

1 year and 8 months (better)

9 months

9 months

4 months

7 months

there's way too many "short stints"

this would concern me because as an employer, there's an investment made in a new employee that only in time is the payoff received.

other than the single 5 month gig you had... all the rest are for a minimum of 2 years and 5 months with a few over 4 years.

[TargeT]

there's way too many "short stints"

this would concern me because as an employer, there's an investment made in a new employee that only in time is the payoff received.

other than the single 5 month gig you had... all the rest are for a minimum of 2 years and 5 months with a few over 4 years.
changing jobs every 3 years (or so) is pretty normal these days. (https://www.fastcompany.com/3055035/you-should-plan-on-switching-jobs-every-three-years-for-the-rest-of-your-).. it's certainly a new job market... though Mine were just moving around into different departments at the same place for quite a while.

I'm a part of the hiring mechanism in my office, we see stuff like this more often than not these days...

the certifications are a data point there I can see as highly concerning, though not damning (I never saw his previous job history before the edits).


Those short stint job hopping is very very strange; I don't even see how you could get hired again after doing that twice... haha, maybe if you lied to your next employer? I've never seen something like that from a prospect.. I doubt they'd make it past HRO. (I see where you are saying now, I was a bit blinded by the lack of a security certification at first... but there's possible explanations there I suppose... like he was just a part time "once a month" guy).

[Flash]

This below describes a temp agency. He worked for a temp placement agency. Which are the ones who would send you a guy with no certifications but for whatever reason may be a clearance. Temp agency was my first job after earning a degree. Most agents do not even have a degree, they are young and would not care about certifications as long as they believe he can do the job. He may had told the agents he could





People can take various low level IT type courses and obtain certificates from these courses which can then assist a candidate into being given a well supervised, entry level job in the IT field. From there, its all about "what can you do" as to where you go from there. In my experience, when one sees job hopping in a resume, regardless of the usage of fluffy techno-wording, that's a red flag.
.

Plenty of real world examples out there.. This is what Goode's should look like (roughly) given his statements:

http://i.imgur.com/IuRzbx5.png

So I do disagree with "job hopping" a bit, especially if they are in the same career field as it's quite common to find someone shifting jobs every 3 years or so; "career field hopping" however.. I completely agree.

Corey has been at it longer than I have and has 1 certification.. this is a red flag to me.. I've been at it for some 6 years less than he and have 9 certifications with many that have expired as well. IT certifications are pretty important when working in the field.

but the BIGGEST red flag is this:

He worked in IT until 2012 for the Texas National Guard... Well, I happen to work for the National Guard and DOD 8570 (https://www.imgva.com/8570-requirements/) was in implementation at that time. he would have had NO CHOICE but to get a MINIMUM of a Comp TIA Security+ certification or something more sophisticated, this is "the golden ticket" to DOD jobs and is mandatory with in 6 months of obtaining a position.

He doesn't list that certification or any of the higher ones mandated by 8570... That's a rather large discrepancy.

Great points and beyond my pay grade to even know as I am a civilian... but please look at Corey's resume again. I am not referring to having many jobs on a resume, I am referring to all the extremely short term jobs...

going backwards

4 months

3 months

3 months

1 year and 1 month (better)

1 year and 9 months (better)

9 months

2 years and 5 months (better)

2 months

5 months

3 months

1 year and 8 months (better)

9 months

9 months

4 months

7 months

there's way too many "short stints"

this would concern me because as an employer, there's an investment made in a new employee that only in time is the payoff received.

other than the single 5 month gig you had... all the rest are for a minimum of 2 years and 5 months with a few over 4 years.

[Chester]

This below describes a temp agency. He worked for a temp placement agency. Which are the ones who would send you a guy with no certifications but for whatever reason may be a clearance. Temp agency was my first job after earning a degree. Most agents do not even have a degree, they are young and would not care about certifications as long as they believe he can do the job. He may had told the agents he could


Hi Flash, I can imagine a temp agency along the way, but is it common for someone who may at some point get work through a temp agency do so for twenty years? Don't people usually catch on somewhere and at least last long enough to start developing some sort of direct job acquisition history or... perhaps reaches a point of realization they may best look for a different type of career?

[Honesty]

..........

[norman]

Hang around long enough and remain engaged, and one finds who the bad apples are...Corey Goode is one of them. Steven Greer is another. Wilcock is an egomaniac. Kerry Cassidy means well. The frustrating part is how unable virtually all of them are at working well as a team with other public figures. Bill Ryan is honest and sincere. So is Miriam Delicado. About half of Wilcock's latest book was about himself, starting in Chapter 2...an accurate reflection of the type of person he is. Linda Moulton Howe and Jim Marrs - nothing but positive things to say about them. What I find interesting is that out of all the UFOlogists listed on the Wiki site (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ufologists), Richard Dolan was not listed...he does seem to focus more on the material than himself. I like that a lot.

https://www.richarddolanpress.com/ufos-and-disclosure-in-the-trump-er - plug for Dolan's latest book...fairly priced. I am buying a copy now.

So yes, when money is involved, it's tough to sift the wheat from the chaff...it takes time to complete that process.

I've been quite a "fan" of Linda Moulton Howe for many years but I've noticed that she HAS been getting caught up in the disclosure mania recently and making lots of references to the Corey Goode and William Tompkins 'material' as the indication that something big is about to change in UFOlogy.

Having been working away so hard for so long I can quite understand how tempting it is to believe that it's all coming to fruition at last. It might be, for all I know, but Linda will be dropping her standards if she goes on like this. The first time I heard her mention Corey Goode I was quite surprised. I've heard her mention him several times since and it's poor journalism that I wouldn't normally associate with her.

Apparently Linda Moulton Howe is now in the GAIA TV stable too. This, also, is disappointing.

[Flash]

Yes it is common if they aren't that good lolllll or have caractere flaws



This below describes a temp agency. He worked for a temp placement agency. Which are the ones who would send you a guy with no certifications but for whatever reason may be a clearance. Temp agency was my first job after earning a degree. Most agents do not even have a degree, they are young and would not care about certifications as long as they believe he can do the job. He may had told the agents he could


Hi Flash, I can imagine a temp agency along the way, but is it common for someone who may at some point get work through a temp agency do so for twenty years? Don't people usually catch on somewhere and at least last long enough to start developing some sort of direct job acquisition history or... perhaps reaches a point of realization they may best look for a different type of career?

[Bayareamom]

I'll make one last comment, which I think needs to be said: I've said time and time again to my husband that I truly feel one of the issues w/this particular movement is that too many researchers are trying to make a living off their research. To ME, the moment $$ enters the picture, it taints you. Bias/ego become much more extreme when one's living becomes dependent on his/her relevancy in this field (or in any other field when research and $$ collide). The same thing holds true for earning an income off of psi abilities; using one's gifts (there are those who have true gifts in this area) to help others, but requiring a fee in order to do so. I have never believed in using one's gifts of this type as a way to earn a living. It taints the process completely. It eliminates the use of discernment, not to mention the plethora of issues attached, as well.

I would much rather see a researcher acquire even just a part-time job, so that his/her research isn't completely usurped by the need to earn a living off said research. The ability to use one's discernment gets so entirely muddled when one is dependent on staying relevant - this has always been an issue for me, even within the medical research/vaccine issues research of which I've also been involved (but never to earn an income).

I do understand the passion these researchers have in this field, but the issue I have w/so many of them is that they are using this research while trying to stay relevant, credible, unbiased, etc. I don't think it's easy to do that when your livelihood depends on staying RELEVANT.

Even some of the most decent and honorable researchers can get easily entangled in this quagmire if they're not careful.

One of my favorite researchers in this field, was the late Dr. Karla Turner. She stated during one of her lectures that if any of her fellow researchers wanted CREDIBILITY in this field, her advice was to get out. She stated (I'm paraphrasing here) that because of the nuances of this entire phenomenon, it is impractical to expect any one researcher to gain complete credibility (I'm assuming she meant within mainstream followers, as well as in this field).

I don't recall precisely what she said along those lines, but that's the gist.

I would hope that most, if not all those of whom enter into this type of research do so w/o expecting anything in return. The desire for TRUTH should be, first and foremost, the desired goal - NOT credibility necessarily, NOT fame, NOT financial security/wealth.

I had an interesting email exchange w/a fairly prominent researcher in this field. She said to me at one point that she just wanted credit for her work. That as an academic, she felt that receiving due credit for her work was important to her. I responded by stating that although I understood her issues with receiving due credit for one's work, I replied (politely) that it was a shame that 'credit' was more important to her than the TRUTH. This conversation had followed an ongoing dialogue between the two of us as to the issue I had put forth about the sharing of information/resource materials by all of the researchers in this genre. I told her that the truth would most definitely be revealed as to this phenomenon (at least for the most part) if all the researchers could simply gather around, share their wealth of material, knowledge, etc., and see what they come up with.

I have been told by more than a few researchers in this movement that this sharing of information will just never happen, and most of them admit that it's probably because of the ego driven desires of most of these researchers.

What a shame.

[Bill Ryan]

One of my favorite researchers in this field, was the late Dr. Karla Turner. She stated during one of her lectures that if any of her fellow researchers wanted CREDIBILITY in this field, her advice was to get out. She stated (I'm paraphrasing here) that because of the nuances of this entire phenomenon, it is impractical to expect any one researcher to gain complete credibility (I'm assuming she meant within mainstream followers, as well as in this field).

I don't recall precisely what she said along those lines, but that's the gist.

It's from the interview Karla did with Melinda Leslie, on 7 May, 1995. The transcript is on this page:


http://www.galaksija.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=796

What she said:


Dr Karla Turner: If you want credibility, get out of this field. You can’t have both!

[Bayareamom]

Right, Bill. That's what she said. I really admired Dr. Turner. She was so refreshingly honest, not to mention intelligent and wise. She didn't have all the answers, but her transparency and the truth in what she said, really stood out for me.

Thanks for that transcript. Every now and then, I take a look back and watch her videos w/renewed interest. I wish I had been able to see her speak in person.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Goode is such a creative yarn spinner, he could turn an encounter with penguins into an abduction by the 'Black and White Avians.'


I think he dreams in Technicolor so blue is apropos.

[iota]

Dear Forum members, this is my first time to post on this forum as I am a new member. In the few decades that I have worked in service to our planet, though i read various platforms daily, this is the first time I felt compelled to take action to actually join a Forum/ I was prompted to join this forum for the specific purpose of responding to Ms Cassidy. For this to occur as IMPERATIVE, it seemed important. So I will begin:

RE:
Bill and forum members,

I have read Bill's statement regarding Corey Goode and some of the problems with his testimony and dealings with others that seem to indicate that he has not been honest with the public and that his story may also be at least partially fabricated or simply an implanted memory. I don’t see any point in attacking him however and will not do so."I, too read Bill's statements from beginning through page 10, stopping after your comment to initiate action to join this forum. And NOWHERE did I find ANYTHING to constitute or warrant your assertion of "attack". If there is something I missed, I ask, that you be specific as to what passage you are referring to, as from my viewpoint, it is NON existent.

What I understood is that Mr. Ryan had QUESTIONS and an actual basis TO question the veracity, integrity and validity of the information presented by Mr. Goode and though he did NOT enter Mr. Wilcock into question, by sheer closeness of association, I would find it extremely incredulous that Mr. Wilcock, who appears to be an intelligent human being, would be COMPLETELY UNaware and privy to much, much more detail than any of us, and if the dubious points in question are in fact true? I would find it impossible to not assert his complicity.


I am not going to go into the interactions I have had with Corey in the very early days (a few years ago) when he contacted me asking if I would interview him. But I will say that while Bill Ryan has every right to make public his own views and research about Corey and his claims, he does not have the right to make statements on my behalf and without my permission about what he assumes I think or what I have told him in confidence.
Again, correct me if I am wrong by specifically citing the text that somehow i missed, but where exactly were the "statements" on YOUR behalf made? ... OR "assumptions" as to what you think?

The only assertion that I recall, and you must forgive that I'm writing this very tired, wishing to be in bed asleep instead but for some unfathomable reason the Universe seems to insist on compelling me to complete this task before i will be granted sleep. (MY occurring as to my assertion on the Universe, NOT a fact, may i clarify ... it just does, in fact, occur that way to me)

As i was stating, the only recall I have of you even being mentioned is in statement of fact ... that being that you NEVER interviewed Mr. Goode. A fact I believe that YOU, yourself corroborated. The fact that he found it interesting, perhaps "telling", i do believe IS his prerogative TO find interesting or "telling". I find it so as well.

Though i generally formulate my own opinions and do NOT rely on others to formulate them for me, I pray you will forgive me for reserving my RIGHT to exercise the SAME prerogative and therefore "think" as i choose and say so.


There are many people in this sector who are highly suspect and many people who are telling the truth as they see it and still many more with implanted or false memories. There are people who are playing to the audience and lying outright with full knowledge that they are doing so. There are agents, assets who are in essence working for intelligence agents and paid trolls as well as unbalanced and unprincipled people as well.

Some whistleblowers may be telling the truth and others, motivated by a myriad of human failings, may be lying or combining the two in order to save their own lives and still get the truth out. While I am sorry that Rich Dolan and Bill Ryan find whistleblowers to be ‘unreliable’ and that Farrell and Fitts prefer “research and documentation” I have to say that this in no way addresses the true value of whistleblower testimony.
NOW we get to the heart and VERY reason for my compulsion TO respond. I have spent EVERY day of my life expanding MY energy, time and focus to attempt to awaken out of organized and intentional social programming and the VERY first step is to get them TO QUESTION instead of blindly accepting the deceitful programming that they are subjected to accepting in just about EVERY facet of their life. It is an arduous task. One that takes a certain amount of courage, as it is not for the faint of heart. It is only undertaken out of the deepest love for humanity and reacquires an inordinate amount of energy AND authentic commitment as the results are hard won and without a true calling one would easily "give up" falling into resignation at the prospect.

So, i hope you will understand my complete dismay at ANY action that would revert ANY amount of forward movement in that area ... Getting people to even SEE the "need" TO question instead of "blind acceptance" is a difficult task, in and of itself. It is followed by attempting to "see" that it is their RIGHT TO question.

Therefore, having someone who has the actual courage and wherewithal to DO it and see THAT specific endeavor challenged completely undermines a MAJOR foundation of what i (and countless others) have worked SO earnestly to achieve. It is a definitive step BACKwards.

WHY is this NECESSARY TO question? ... i would refer you to your own words above .... i believe them to be self explanatory requiring NO further elaboration on my part.


Whistleblowers are, in my view, in a world of lies and secrecy, our lifeline to what is really going on. And many whistleblowers (who are very human with human idiosyncrasies and failings) are risking their lives and many have been killed for their attempts to get the truth to humanity. At least 2 Camelot whistleblowers have been killed and possibly more. Several have been silenced. Some have simply gone back to work for the secret space program or black projects. Others, like Norm Bergrun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHmgZymhJL8&t=25s) have disappeared and presumably gone back to work for them. Others have had family members die mysteriously or suddenly and the list goes on. Whistleblowing is clearly not good for your health. But it is vital.I could NOT possibly agree more. I do not believe I read a SINGLE word from Mr. Ryan in dissent either or my reply would have likely included him as well. ... therefore i fail to see your point or need to state so. Unless you are willing to state, in fact, unequivocal belief that Mr. Goode or Mr. Wilcock are credible whistleblowers with impunity in integrity. Please forgive me once again, if I am remiss as i have stated i'm tired, but i did NOT read that in your response.

If i may, I would invite you therefore to consider Mr. Ryan acting in THAT specific capacity ~ a Whistleblower.

because, he in fact, IS seriously attempting to bring to light information that he has which has given him serious doubt as to the veracity and legitimacy or integrity of Mr. Goode (Mr. Ryan, please forgive me if I am incorrect and feel free to clarify if MY understanding is remiss)

AS such, and given his position in our community and the world at large ... IF that is what he TRULY feels, i submit to you and to the WHOLE world, as it may, that he would be SORELY remiss and highly irresponsible from a moral standpoint ,to be privy to information that gives him pause and keep that to himself ...

particularly while he is KEENLY aware of the level of impact and influence that these two gentlemen are having on a wide audience ... i can ONLY pray that NONE of the people that i have personally led to a higher level of awareness are included and either way ... if later, i were to have found out that Mr. Ryan had questions and cause TO question but chose NOT to ... i'm afraid i would have to take serious exception to THAT.


To attack as unreliable whistleblower testimony is the same thing as attacking all HUMAN testimony. Yes humans can be manipulated and deceived and have diabolical aims but they can also be dedicated and truthful and sacrifice their own lives for their fellow man (or woman). Making a blanket statement about “whistleblower” testimony is no more meaningful than to say all politicians lie and all judges and juries are deluded and misled. Oh Ms Cassidy, again, why are you asserting "attack"? There seems to be a prevalence in human nature that by simple assertion of something "being so" ... it makes it that in fact. I just had an ENTIRE conversation with someone on this topic.

my friend had asked me if i could not just "see this as little flaw as part of their charming imperfection" (and i quote) here was my response to her and to you ...

It isn't (name withheld) . There isn't anything even remotely charming about it. Its the ugliness of the ego and demanding compliance of agreement that "what is so"... Is " something else"..

and the reality of it is that indulging it is a harmful practice that serves NO ONE, least of all them.

It is tantamount to outright enabling --- like one enables a drug addict. Its wrong! ...

The time for that has long passed. We are in a time to be FULLY accountable for the impact we have on others and to hold those around us accountable as well. Failure to do that has led to untold AND needless.. Useless.. Suffering... Its not a funny NOR a cute practice to enable that at ALL ..

It's much harder (because it takes conviction, courage and commitment) to hold and live to that higher standard but that is exactly what Life calls forth AS "requirement" no less...

The failure to rise to that will ALWAYS have detrimental repercussions for BOTH parties. ...

"Going along"? placating? silent compliance? are ALL undeniable reinforcements of negative behaviors .. calling it anything else doesn't change that ....

AND though it may "look" or "feel" nicer? It is NOT "nice" at all, but actually quite UNloving instead.... It IS promulgation of illusions (lies actually) and delusional instead of reality and truth.

The liberation and empowerment of mankind I have devoted my life to make possible is NOT possible while that continues. In fact becomes flat out impossible. Just on that point specifically...

I, for one, will NOT be someone people can count on to "go along" with saying OR convincing themselves and others that they are "only" doing "X" when they are in fact, doing something else..its fundamentally lying you know?"

THAT was my response to her and to you and the reasons i have for my stance.


Whistleblowers are like those in any other walk of life. Some are truthful and some are not. Some believe what they tell people and some lie with impunity.

As an investigative journalist, documentary filmmaker specializing in whistleblower testimony for over 11 years I can say that there are many ways to tell if a person is lying. Investigating their claims is one of them. Cross-correlating testimony is another. Facial reads and behavioral “tells” often reveal an attempt to deceive consciously. Or unconsciously. And so on… My point is that it is up to us to do the work necessary to tell truth from falsity. Again, Ms. Cassidy, i could NOT possibly agree more ... It happens to be PRECISELY what I understood Mr. Ryan TO be doing ... and therefore, I'm at a complete loss as to WHY, if you truly have that understanding, you did NOT fully support him in doing so?


Considering that humans are the predominant species on this planet albeit with mixed heredity and DNA from many other species it is important to recognize that the consensus reality or Matrix we live in is geared to make humans suspect each other before they look to other races such as Reptilians, whose influence over the Illuminati thought forms is extensive. It is part of the Controllers agenda to get humans to see each other as the enemy first! WHAT? again, we go back to the fact that CALLING "X" > "Y" does NOT, in fact, make it so.

the controller's agenda as i understand it, IS to "divide and conquer" ... well, one of them anyway.

What Mr. Ryan was doing is (as i interpreted, please feel free to correct Mr Ryan) exercising his prerogative TO question, acting morally responsible in NOT remaining silent and therefore acting in capacity AS model AND whistleblower.

Again, i submit, that i found NO attack present in his words, and mere challenge of what has been publicly presented to large segments of the population is not only well within the rights of ANY of us, particularly in HIS capacity i would go further as to deem it morally responsible.


Documents are notoriously unreliable. We all know that documentation can be faked (like the birth certificates of Presidents) as well as photos and videos (see the Kennedy assassination altered Zapruder film and my interview with Mike Sparks and James Fetzer re Zapruder Film New Evidence (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVhwRuKmtsM&t=1s)) and of course there’s 911 (tv images of planes appearing to hit the twin towers) and so on. I often find it interesting and puzzling that humans will believe a piece of paper or a film or the TV but suspect another human as lying when humans are the ones creating the film and documents in the first place!

College or university educations, degrees and so-called authority figures are all suspect and no guarantee you are getting the truth. Titles and large salaries are no proof of anything other than perhaps of the Controller’s approval or backing of someone… Wall Street is full of people who lie for a living and make money deceiving the public as we know.
Again, I agree completely Ms. Cassidy and therefore it simply logically explained the outright NEED for questions and establishment of fact and veracity that as you have clearly stated CAN be manipulated.


My point is that we humans have been taught to first believe outside authorities, documents, organizations and people with money and in the top echelons of power before we believe each other. We are told from birth to follow rules and regulations that are supposedly “good for us” drafted by those in positions of power when time and again we find we have been lied to and misled for an agenda most people have no awareness of.
Ms. Cassidy, at the risk of sounding redundant, i agree. However, i will go further to say THAT was MY point. Asserting the RIGHT and even responsibility TO question and NOT to teach others NOT to do that or challenge those courageous enough to do it.


I do however think it is important for people to weigh the evidence and quality of the testimony we are given and use our hearts and minds to see what resonates and what does not. I firmly believe humans are psychic and precogs by nature and that we can discern the truth where we find it. And as I have said many times, the truth is not served in this reality anyway, on a silver platter. It is up to us to learn to exercise discernment as we journey on our path. And life is an exploration of consciousness. to this ditto what i stated above ...

in closing, i would like to offer a mild explanation that my son just passed away (Mar 2) i will always believe and have cause to believe that irrespective of details, there was an intention to subvert and attack me and my work specifically. Whether or not that is in fact so, i have paid my due diligence and showed my commitment in spite of great motivation to slip away in silence ... and having paid many a high price, as well as having proven my commitment and love in service to others i believe entitles me to have equal vocalization in a matter that can have an impact on what i personally endeavor to do.

i merely, shared that to apologize and give you an understanding of where i am coming from in respect to my tone. prior to march, it is likely i would have been much more diligent and perhaps NOT so forthright. but my son is dead. i have NO more time to play games or appease. there is work to be done. many, many including most here have ALL done their part to move the consciousness forward

we canNOT allow step backwards to take place.

this was by no means an invitation to, nor intended to debate. my point i believe is a statement of fact, and as such indisputable. in case, it is not clear, i will reiterate

1.) It IS our Divine Sovereign RIGHT TO question ~ period ~

and i would, in fact, go further as to state

2.) Not only is it our RIGHT, but our "Responsibility" TO do so

Ms Cassidy, herself, has outlined just some of the relevant reasons WHY this is an actual NECESSITY.

i suppose this is what i have been hearing amongst "Lightworker" sites about "division amongst each other"

i do NOT relish digging them out now to explain ALL that i have explained above .. .at least i hope to get some sleep before i feel called to do so ...

I would also like to assert that i do NOT personally know Mr. Ryan, i have NEVER communicated with him at ALL, except today on the welcome post to thank for being allowed to join. And my statements are VERY much MY own.
and in NO way, did i intend to speak FOR him, but rather present MY understanding of WHAT he presented and am open to correction ~ that is, if i'm allowed to STAY a member after this .. .lol!

namaste all

and thank you Ms. Cassidy for the work you HAVE done to bring so much to light and forward and hope you will seriously consider doing the same with THIS as well ...


KERRY CASSIDY
PROJECT CAMELOT
http://projectcamelotportal.com
May 1, 2017

[Mike]

hi iota, welcome to the forum!

nice post there!

look, i'm not a kerry fan. i'd really like to unleash some thoughts here.....the only thing keeping me from really letting it rip is my respect for Bill.

but i will say this: it's not too complex. whenever there is some noise on avalon, or whenever we're getting attention here, Kerry will find some nonsensical reason to inject herself into it for a little shameless attention. she'll find some reason to associate herself with the action. thats what she did here. thats all there is to it. notice she'll rarely follow up. thats very telling.