Does consciousness have a memory?

[Tangri]

I want to ignite this argument for a long time but my body consciousness was very busy with the daily life.

I believe, we should separate the soul and consciousness or put definitions before start an argument.
Of course, this is not a scientific theory and arguments will be based on personal belief systems which would be different than other's.
Belief system is generated by religious, ideological, philosophical ingredients. As 3000 Avalon (active -semi active) members and 30. 000 viewers (1/10 ratio based :rolleyes:) 33.000 different opinions. Intent is here, not create a conflict but rather establish a trade, between different observers- participants.

I believe or for it; A soul is an earthly entity while consciousness is an universal independent observer without any personal memory.
Our DNA has a memory bank and sometimes, our body consciousness can access to the trace data in those old memories.

Since, soul is a local(earthly) entity, consciousness is a guest (or a prisoner for temporally) for observation in that body, in my view.
Can a soul be trapped(or kidnapped) by extra dimensional-terrestrial forces or may leave the earthly bound?

[Bill Ryan]

Semantics. :)

The soul (or spirit) is the non-physical entity, so to speak, and consciousness is the property or quality that it has.

The soul (or spirit) has a memory, for sure, and consciousness is the quality that enables us to access that memory (maybe with a little help and processing across lifetimes).

[ghostrider]

Soul is temporary, it contains the psyche, it goes away when we die, the spirit is eternal, it records thoughts actions and feelings, and does have memory, all stored in the akashic records, a giant mass of greenish energy that envelopes earth ... Consciousness has memory, its connected to Creation and has knowledge of every single life that has ever lived ... we really are all one ... energy in material form ...

[enigma3]

Consciousness is awareness as it expresses itself in duality. Thus it has memory. Memory and karma are first cousins. There is also unconsciousness, so consciousness exists in duality. It does not exist in non-duality. In non-duality there is just awareness with no need for any memory. It simply exists, no belief needed. Consciousness becomes unconscious (usually) at death. Then we are awareness with karma attached until after awakening or rebirth. If rebirth the cycle begins again. The karmic load gets us reincarnated. Enlightenment usually is way past awakening. The Tibetans call it the state of no more learning. Karma slowly burns off after awakening. Usually. Sometimes right away, sometimes longer.

Awakening is when your unconscious becomes conscious. So looking at it from the vantage point of a human, after awakening all is consciousness. After dropping the body it becomes awareness. After awakening, a true awakening, you live in the now all the time. There is light all the time everywhere. And no need for memory. So that is seen as not needed and dies.

Another important point here is that the body, being attached to karma, has its own karma to live out. Memory plays an important part here.

[Tangri]

Semantics. :)

The soul (or spirit) is the non-physical entity, so to speak, and consciousness is the property or quality that it has.

The soul (or spirit) has a memory, for sure, and consciousness is the quality that enables us to access that memory (maybe with a little help and processing across lifetimes).

:blushing:

I was concern on cross cultural crushes like this. It must done any way because of the confusing between nominalisim and philosophical realism.

Semantic differentials can be used to measure opinions, attitudes and values on some controlled scales. (Without this we can not talk on attachments effects on humans.)
I was trying to build a trade between different opinions and cultures. Some culture and languages have a different meaning of soul and consciousness. Eastern cultures believe soul has responsibility to the god while consciousness respond to the human made laws.

My initial intend was, to ignite the question of, what is passing through "when,/if someone attempts to use viewing windows(western version is looking glass) to transfer a person with that device, ? soul or consciousness.

Mark Richards(strangers to the name can look Kerry's interviews) believes he is innocent by Human laws and not responsible out of body actions.

[JChombre]

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Thank you Tangri for starting this thread. Over the years, I have struggled to understand what the soul and/or spirit is. So, I appreciate the opportunity to learn about this subject here.

I agree with you that if we consider our various languages and cultures, what passes through looking glass, and something about Mark Richards; then, talking about the “soul” and/or “spirit” is a big challenge.

So to make it simple, I am just going to focus on my understanding of “soul” and “spirit.” I am borrowing some of the information provided by Enigma, Bill, Ghostrider and you. And I appreciate and thank the four of you for helping me understand this topic.

In the picture, what is above water (and that we can see) represents our 3D world of duality. What is below the water (and that we cannot see) represents the non-physical world, or non-duality, or singularity.

The iceberg in the picture represents the “spirit” of man. For some people, the iceberg can represents the “soul” of man, and that’s fine. It is semantics, and not really important but I prefer to use the iceberg to represent the “spirit” of man.

Before birth, the spirit of man is completely submerged under the water, it exists in the non-duality world, in singularity.

At birth (or some 3-6 months before birth), the spirit projects a small portion of itself in the 3D world. In the picture, it is the portion of the iceberg shown above the water.

In reality, we cannot see the portion of the spirit that is projected in the physical 3D world but it is shown in the picture to help up understand that spirit exists in our physical world.

The portion of the spirit that is projected in 3D goes by several names: consciousness, conscious mind, or soul… I prefer to use consciousness. And its purpose is to help man live in the 3D physical world.

As described in this thread, consciousness has several characteristics:
• Operates in duality, 3D.
• Attached to the physical body
• Carries memory (no awareness), and karma
• Stops at death and merges into unconsciousness
• Starts again when we reincarnate, if karma exists
• Does not exist in awakened people, where only unconsciousness exists.

The portion of the spirit that always exists in non-duality in the non-physical world, is represented in the picture by the portion of the iceberg shown below the water.

This portion of the spirit goes by several names: unconsciousness, unconscious mind, universal mind, or spirit… I prefer to use unconsciousness. And it is part of or is always connected to Source, God, All-That-Is.

As described in this thread, unconsciousness has several characteristics:
• Operates in non-duality, in singularity.
• Attached to the non-physical body (ies)
• Carries awareness (no memory), and no karma
• Eternal, not interrupted at death
• Exists in awakened people since they don’t have consciousness

The unconsciousness seldom gets involved in our 3D life. However, in critical situations, it overrides the conscious mind and conveys the needed information directly to us. It is usually a powerful experience that we don’t forget.

Thank you.

JC

[Tangri]

Now, I think, it is time to ask second question.

Do attachments ( Archons, earthbound phosters , jinni, demons, aeons) act like our consciousness or do they have own their consciousness?

[Johnnycomelately]

I think that this vid from Rupert Sheldrake, in conversation with Mark Vernon, addresses OP Tangri’s title question about the nature of memory. Their conclusion is “yes”, in my reading of the meanings.

I found this talk to be quite interesting. Vid length is 39:32.

How does memory work? Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogue 90

Rupert Sheldrake
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“ How does memory work? Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogue 90

No one knows. Repeated experiments have failed to locate where memories are stored in the brain, casting doubt on the conventional assumption that memories are stored as material traces. In this episode of the Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogues, Rupert Sheldrake and Mark Vernon discuss various kinds of memory, from episodic memory to habits. They consider how memory is linked to emotion and place, drawing on insights from Aristotle to AN Whitehead. Rupert’s own work has led to the theory of morphic fields, within which all self-organising systems dwell. They also ask about Indian ideas of memory and how that is related to ideas about reincarnation and the possibility that everything that exists lives, in some way, in the memory of God.


Chapter List
00:00:00 - Introduction and Overview of Memory
00:00:31 - Memory as a Fundamental Principle of Nature
00:01:22 - Psychological Aspects and Types of Memory
00:03:41 - Western Philosophical Views on Memory
00:04:13 - Aristotle's Perception of Memory
00:05:33 - Medieval and Early Christian Views on Memory
00:08:03 - Memory, Place, and Emotion in Psychotherapy
00:10:48 - Scientific Studies on Memory Storage
00:13:56 - Challenges in Finding Memory Traces
00:17:26 - Alternative Theories: Memory Beyond Materialism
00:19:22 - Morphic Resonance and Collective Memory
00:22:31 - Memory in All Nature: Eastern Philosophies
00:27:08 - Recollection in Plato and Indian Thought
00:30:10 - Memory and Reincarnation in Buddhist Philosophy
00:33:25 - Influence of Eastern Views on Western Thought
00:35:32 - Quantum Theory and Memory in Nature
00:36:31 - Idealist Worldview: Memory in the Divine Mind
00:38:11 - Conclusion: Memory as Fundamental to Nature and the Divine



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Dr Rupert Sheldrake, PhD, is a biologist and author best known for his hypothesis of morphic resonance. At Cambridge University, as a Fellow of Clare College, he was Director of Studies in biochemistry and cell biology. As the Rosenheim Research Fellow of the Royal Society, he carried out research on the development of plants and the ageing of cells, and together with Philip Rubery discovered the mechanism of polar auxin transport. In India, he was Principal Plant Physiologist at the International Crops Research Institute for the Semi-Arid Tropics, where he helped develop new cropping systems now widely used by farmers. He is the author of more than 100 papers in peer-reviewed journals and his research contributions have been widely recognized by the academic community, earning him a notable h-index for numerous citations. On ResearchGate his Research Interest Score puts him among the top 4% of scientists.

https://www.sheldrake.org/about-ruper...

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Dr Mark Vernon is a psychotherapist and writer with a rich academic background in physics, theology, and philosophy. He contributes to programmes on the radio, writes and reviews for newspapers and magazines, gives talks and podcasts. His books have covered themes including friendship and God, ancient Greek philosophy and wellbeing. His new book, out August 2019, is "A Secret History of Christianity: Jesus, the Last Inkling and the Evolution of Consciousness". He has a PhD in ancient Greek philosophy, and other degrees in physics and in theology, and works as a psychotherapist in private practice. He used to be an Anglican priest.

Mark's latest book is...
A Secret History of Christianity: Jesus, the Last Inkling, and the Evolution of Consciousness
http://www.markvernon.com/books/a-sec...”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0W85ECY6Ys

[Bill Ryan]

Now, I think, it is time to ask a second question.

Do attachments (Archons, earthbound phosters, jinni, demons, aeons) act like our consciousness or do they have own their consciousness?Both. They have their own consciousness, but (like parasites) when they act on our own consciousness they can influence it and partially (or sometimes even completely) take it over.

The result is that the targeted person fully believes that the parasite's wishes and intentions are their own.

[Jaak]

I reached to certain conclusions after many out of body experiences and researching this kind of things for many years. To put it simply everything that we can detect in this physical reality has an toroidal magnetic field . Spirit is the double helical string that runs through the poles of that magnetic field. The toroidal field surrounding that double helix is what we can call physical realm/EMF spectrum that we can detect and measure. Detecting that double helix in the center i hope the scientists never figure out and how to mess with that .. Maybe they already have,dont know.
What we call soul is the level of consciousness of that spirit. The better its awareness and understanding of itself and its surroundings the more conscious it is.
A mineral has a spirit but is it conscious ? Not like us but to certain extent most likely. It´s not aware of itself and surroundings ,no hunger or pain or pleasure but yet it is experiencing some strange form of geometrical existence that is hard for us to imagine .
All magnetic fields try to be in balance with itself and it´s surroundings. Surrounding magnetic fields might compress it,deform it but it will re-distribute itself how it can to keep the balance while not being destroyed . It´s size and shape could change because of outside pressures but its density and integrity remains the same. Kind of like if you blow a bit of air inside the balloon and then squeez it between your fingers all kinds of ways while not letting the air out. Shape and size will change but the amount of air inside it remains the same.

Magnetic fields are the universal balance keepers.

Do magnetic fields have memory ? Certainly but it aint memory like we have . Like these tests that they have done when they say certain words to water and freeze it and then look at its crystal structure.
Water does seem to have memory but doesnt seem to be conscious... And yet all that memory has to do with magnetic fields,it´s molecular crystal structure which is dictated by the properties of the magnetic fields inside water.

The memory of more advanced spirits/souls gets more complicated and dont have an good answer for that. Would need to ponder a bit..
DNA stores memory but i think DNA is more like a medium for the spirit/soul and how much of it gets carried on through reincarnations is questionable. Somewhere all memories are ¨recorded¨,i do believe it but hard to find an explanation to it.Maybe in the magnetic field of earth or magnetic field of our galaxy or in the magnetic field of the universe ..? All those magnetic fields are tied to one another just like every magnetic field on this earth is tied to earths magnetic field. All magnetic fields in the universe are connected but how much they affect one another it depends..
Spirit/soul will move on after death to another magnetic field where it fits in.
We dont remember being minerals or plants or animals but im inclined to shamanic point of view and believe we all have gone through that evolution of spirit to become the soul we are now.
Our soul seems to save qualities but not memories.. We take our personality to other life but not memories because it might compromise the evolution of our soul.
If you had been living before on this planet as 1000 other persons it would probably drive insane most people to deal with negative memories from all those reincarnations. People already get messed up just from the memories they have from this life..
Interesting topic to explore but i got to go now so have to stop my rambling. Maybe somebody found something useful out of it .

[ExomatrixTV]

I remember reoccurring "waking up" within a dream and saw that I was in "futuristic" space station being in a giant artificial gravity wheel having a fight with one of the doctors in white coats telling me: "it will all come back" (remembering) ... Seeing myself holding a fist as a symbol of resistance, what is happening to me ... Then slowly I remembered who he was and that I trusted him for a long, long time. Like I knew him for ages. That feeling of "complete safety & serenity" ... at that movement, I chose to accept anything they are doing to me was "necessary" for whatever purpose. I was laying on a sterile hospital type, comfortable adjustable bed with 4 people surrounding me. 2 on each side. One is pouring a jelly like liquid in to my face, another is injecting stuff on the other side of my head, and the other two were making sure I stayed in the chair-like bed.

Then I realized just before I "dozed off" that they betrayed my trust in them! ... This energy was SO strong it was totally imprinted to current "presence" here on Earth.

What I just explained here have two aspects: ... Somehow I know they think it is necessary what they do >>> and I feel/sense absolutely no "evil intent" >>> BUT they had to LIE to me to do things a certain way ... And that really pissed me off.

This is a reoccurring theme happened in so many different dreams/visions, and it felt like it happened in the future, sending me back to now here!

My whole life, am super allergic when people are not authentic, "playing nice" not being genuine ... and made it very clear to all why I feel the need to raise certain questions to learn WHY people behave in a certain way. Hence, psychology became like "breathing" to me. It is part of who I am now.


There is a pattern of having strong vivid "visionary" dreams, and mostly it is like getting an "upgrade" ... On average, I have them once a few years. But now I have them multiple times last few weeks ... So YES there IS something going right now and coming months.

What I have learned is that having access to "instant awareness" at the moment it is needed to have that kind of access ... is "totally normal" and extremely common in the "after life" or "spiritual world" hence there is no need for having a "memory" like physical Earth people do ... Memories can be altered because of our injected projections/expectations/interpretations mixed with emotions that are mostly traumas of the past, BLURRING (contaminating) factual unfiltered observations/experiences.

We assume we are defined having memories, and we are shaped through our experiences, correct? ... What if that is a form of self-conditioning preventing you gaining access to who you truly are?


How many different "workshops" & "therapies" out there that are about letting go of what is holding you back to live your life ... Going beyond the "eternal victim mode" ... "Poor me mentality" breeds more than often "poor me reality".

When we meditate and succeed to (temporary) become FREE from (judgmental) labels we use on almost anything 24/7 ... There is something inside ALL OF US that is beyond all "thinking" beyond all thoughts you had, have and going to have combined ... Same for all other people having thoughts about you, who you're "suppose to be" past present & future.

This "essence" is existence (https://johnkuhles.substack.com/p/how-to-overcome-having-an-existential) that goes much deeper than "having a memory" with all the "conclusions" & "interpretations" we are conditioned to have in a certain way.

Those who can not access "instant awareness" often depend on programmed behavior spoon-fed to them ... this could come from all kinds of self-imposed beliefs. Many of them are very helpful & useful to serve a specific purpose ... but not all!

I have created a unique "meditation technique" for myself and discussed it long time ago on Radio & TV Amsterdam in the mid 1990s getting lots of fascinating feedback from the audience.

Explaining that it may not work for you, but it does for me ... all depends on your attitude/mentality/self-imposed limitations etc. etc. ... If it does not work for you, I will not judge you being "bad" or being "dumb" or whatever ... Because I am fully aware that everybody is unique, having their own "spiritual journey" of "self discoveries" that is beyond having programmed assumptions.

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cheers,
John Kuhles (https://johnkuhles.substack.com/p/how-to-overcome-having-an-existential) 🦜🦋🌳
Abductee & Near Death Experiencer

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

The result is that the targeted person fully believes that the parasite's wishes and intentions are their own.

I saw a very interesting segment on a true crime programme a while back. It involved three teenage boys who got up to some pretty nasty stuff, ultimately murder, for which two of the three were convicted. The third, who was less involved, testified against the other two.

The segment in question had this third kid provide a short anecdote (for mainstream viewers it was just fanciful tale, the result of taking drugs perhaps). I thought otherwise.

This kid described the night they sat down around a camp fire to plan the first in a series of crimes. A black magic ritual was involved. At the culmination of this ritual, this third and now terrified kid (who would later back out), described how, after pledging themselves to dark forces, he witnessed a black shadow arise from the fire, form itself into a kind of insect-shaped creature, before leaping through the air at one of the boys and entering his mouth. With a spasm and a gulp the boy appeared to ingest it. 'Wow, did you guys see that?!' he excitedly exclaimed.

Afterwards, this kid was never the same, committing crime after crime, each one more dreadful than the last.

So who committed the crimes? The kid, or the entity he invited in? The answer, probably, is both in tandem.

Moral of the story: If you mess with dark forces, dark forces mess with you.

[Inversion]

Those that claim to have served a twenty and back in a secret space program are asked to borrow their consciousness and I don't recall them using the word soul. Taking pieces of people's souls to power clones and cyborgs is called soul scalping. James Rink believes there are clones of him currently operating off world. There's a story that the Anunnaki used souls of the Atlanteans to power the original versions of us which is located on the Spirit Science YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/@SpiritScienceOfficial).

The Law of One (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11889-The-Law-of-One&p=1383438&viewfull=1#post1383438)

S18/P173. It is impossible not to serve the creator.

Joel Lakey (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118606-James-Rink-Book-s--Videos&p=1498075&viewfull=1#post1498075) He claims to have served the Draco as a general.

“Existence is an ascension game.”

Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201302/why-early-blindness-prevents-schizophrenia#:~:text=As%20the%20authors%20note%2C%20%E2%80%9Cacross,blindness%20developed%20later%2 0in%20life.) Everything we experience could be uploaded to a database.

As the authors note, “across all past papers, there has not been even one reported case of a congenitally blind person who developed schizophrenia.” However, this is not so with blindness developed later in life.

Fandom (https://actionzone.fandom.com/wiki/Blue_Thunder) We could be JAFO's for source.

An acronym used in Blue Thunder, "JAFO," means "Just Another F***ing Observer." This police community jargon is mentioned repeatedly in the film in reference to any police helicopter's non-pilot second officer, in this case Daniel Stern's character of Richard Lymangood. In the related TV series, the reference is expurgated as "Just Another Frustrated Observer."

Donald Marshall (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89288-StopHumanCloning-New-Donald-Marshall-Interview-2016&p=1578023&highlight=pain#post1578023)

P55. Bernie Mac stood up for Donald at the center. He also tried to start an uprising saying the place is the devil. QE2 and Philip tortured him for 4-5 hours. Because of the pain recorded by his consciousness his real body died in his sleep. That form of murder is similar to the CIA’s heart attack gun.

[Bo Atkinson]

Consciousness of the world and life use lots of knowledgable memories.

Just recently I found a tremendous work which is generously shared on line. Possibly it is shared only posthumously, originally developed by Dr David Hawkins, and I am delighted to find his printed books, because this kind of mapping ties together seemingly repressed information. Or it is rare that graphical maps are promoted to scope out the knowledge of life.

His book, "The Map of Consciousness Explained" has a nine page index, (lots of interesting text not yet shared for free on line, but paperback books are low cost). While his charts are the most detailed, graphic representations I've noticed in 50+ years, especially on the explanation of emotional consciousness.graphic representations (https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrNOUYNHPFmAkUJ4QUPxQt.;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3BpdnM-?p=%22David+Hawkins%22%2B+consciousness+%2B+levels+%2B+map&type=teff_10019_FFW_ZZ&hsimp=yhs-3&hspart=iba&grd=1&ei=UTF-8&fr=yhs-iba-3).

http://harmoniouspalette.com/DrDavidRHawkins-images.jpg




Update later in the day after www browsing.... The alleged repression seems to be right-leaning cult activity and disparagement of Hawkin's map and the much earlier Hubbard Tone Scale https://www.xenu.net/archive/disk/NOTs/tone.htm

It was graphically mapping the emotions which has seemed very productive and useful, at least conceptually to test-out objectively, but both map-authors ultimately were blamed for objectionable practices, which cast the map-scaling concepts into disfavor, (to say nothing of how their separate works affected so many people with hard experiences which is a separate, much bigger issue in itself).