Personality-marketing, in the alternative media

[Bill Ryan]

This morning, US time (and late at night in Australia, because the earth is round :) ), I had the following fun (and thought-provoking) exchange with fellow-moderator Debra.

It prompted me, with her full agreement, to post the whole thing here for all to read. Some aspects of this may be quite interesting for others to think about and respond to.

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Debra: https://linkedin.com/in/corey-goode-7024621 ... this takes the cake for me. Has anyone see this?

Bill: Wow. Well, someone has written all that for him.

Debra: I am gobsmacked, Bill. I'm trying to reconcile that he is profiled on LinkedIn as a respected businessman, a creative .. and somewhat of an IT expert .. omg I am reeling. It really mocks the whole premise of LinkedIn

Bill: Yes... sounds like he's looking for a job!
It's a PR piece (of course). So he can point to that and look like a professional.

Debra: Slick

Bill: But… I wonder how he got all that experience and spent years in the Secret Space Program as well? :)
He's like Forrest Gump. Anyone watching all this can draw up a timeline of Corey's life (if they think of doing it!) and see that none of this can fit in.

Debra: I must find out who else is on LinkedIn now. That's the place I do business in .. this is totally blurring the boundaries - it cheapens the platform - hugely!

Bill: Well, the fact is that on the net (and even 20 years ago on paper!) anyone, anywhere, can invent anything they like about themselves to self-promote. (Look at Sean David Morton (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88821-Sean-David-Morton&p=1143603&viewfull=1#post1143603) as another case study)

Debra: That is the point, Bill - agree - who can you believe online ? The gullibility out there makes it so easy for these kinds of people to proliferate. Urghhh

Bill: Yes... this is one of the points about the internet and the modern era. It makes good information easier to come by, and also makes bad information easier to spread.

Debra: There is something in the energy signature of bad information that people want to spread
Would be interesting to find out or test to see if he has a social media operator handling the account - or if he does his own.

Bill: You could ask in a comment on his page how he got all that experience and ALSO spent years in the secret space program. Ask him for a year-in year-out personal timeline of employment.
He has marketing professionals handling everything... look at the graphics here:
http://spherebeingalliance.com
(let the page sit there and watch the rotation of the banner images)
(you should really do that... it makes the LinkedIn page look ordinary)

Debra: It's wicked .. what is the experience of regular LinkedIn users as they cross from his L profile to this ? That's deep stuff they are working with - that's the first thought that comes to mind.
I feel like I am at the dashboard of the controllers

Bill: My comment: you're a marketing professional. You know how all this works. Nowadays, people market themselves as products... in the entertainment industry, too. One has to compete.
So it's one more step for people in the internet arena to market themselves, too. Many radio shows and YouTube channels are becoming increasingly glitzy, copying from the apparently successful mainstream promotion memes.

Debra: That was he first word that came to mind reading this profile: Product. This is a product page under the guise of a professional LinkedIn profile.

Bill: I’ve always refused to do things like this.

Debra: That's why I and others who get you, stand staunchly beside you, Bill. Can't say it any other way

Debra: The need to pitch oneself is very uncomfortable for me too.
Branding is what they want you to do so they can find you and nail you to a cross

Bill: Yep, branding. I really despise it. One sometimes has to ‘look good’ — and I always want the forum to 'look good'. It's like being neatly and attractively dressed when going out to dinner with a bunch of friends. But — not showy, ostentatious, egotistical, or flamboyant.

Debra: However I do embrace the idea of lovemark brands, which do stand the test of time because they are and do what they say they are
Lovemarks are earned
Earned !

Bill: Well, my hat is a brand. I know that. (So is Jim Marrs'!) But that's just a fun quirk, a source of lightweight amusement which everyone enjoys. I don't take it seriously. Neither should anyone else.

Debra: Brands are consciously constructed

Bill: Yes, they're engineered.

Debra: Lovemarks are bestowed by people who like what you are providing

Bill: Okay (I've never actually heard that term before)

Debra: I'm looking for the source now
Lovemarks: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovemark

Bill: OMG... another construct. But yes, I get it.
(But an opportunistic construct, driven by consumers)

Debra: Yes, the term is derived from a marketing background ... and makes sense to me too.

Bill: Overlaying marketing theory on to the internet is interesting. Corey doesn't have 300,000 'fans' (as he wrote (http://sitsshow.blogspot.com/2017/04/analysis-of-the-truth-about-corey-goode-by-bill-ryan-don-t-let-the-fear-of-disinformation-divide-us.html) yesterday), — he has 300,000 consumers.

Debra: Boom

Bill: People consume bad internet information just as people consume soda and hot dogs. Lazy, cheap, unhealthy, and easy.

Debra: And that means for CG, DW, MS and all those at Gaia TV: Ka-ching ka-ching ka-ching
It's a dirty habit

Bill: Yes.
We should (or could!) post this conversation (between you and me) on to a new thread about internet personality branding. Would that be okay?

Debra: Sure
These people have seriously sold themselves over to ....?

Bill: ... to ego, money, status, popularity ...
The fact that Corey used the word 'fans' yesterday does mean something.
That's a term from the popular entertainment industry.

Debra: He's a rockstar on his own starship

Bill: Well, he sees himself that way. Of course, he's not created all the imagery himself. But someone else has, and he loves it. Feeds his ego hugely... and back in Oct 2014 his ego was on the floor, in fragments.

Debra: I Love Dennis's framing of Corey in that particular photo that he uses, as ‘Star Trek Corey’
Hang On .. this one:

http://projectavalon.net/Corey_Goode_pose_sm.jpg

Bill: Yes. If someone can't see how egotistically posed that looks, there's not much anyone else can do. It's immature... that's the right word to use. Like a kid trying to look cool in a selfie.

Debra: And THE ONE POST he makes on his LinkedIn page is this: https://youtu.be/TgHKg5q_oys
His comment: "Short film based on the testimony of Corey Goode. Wow, this blew me away! CG" - Full Disclosure | 2017 Short Film -
At the end of the day, Bill, my belief is that he really is just a short film

Bill: OMG. Blue Avians: The Movie
On 5/3/17, at 7:14 AM, Debra wrote:
> my belief is that he really is just a short film
^^ Yes. if this isn't all ephemeral in the longer term, we're in a great deal of trouble.
The marketing thing is so interesting. There are always two sides: those who promote cheap, unpleasant, or unsafe products — and those who buy them. It's the soda and hot dog thing. People make conscious choices to eat at McDonald's. They're not at gunpoint.
It's a symptom of the gradual decline and degradation of society... I see it everywhere, and so do many others.
The factors are unawareness, laziness, quick satisfaction (like the sugar buzz from a coke), addiction, and (in some cases, I suspect) the unconscious desire to self-destruct.

Debra: No they are not. But marketing combined with the first taste of a product with all promise of power and satisfaction can be like heroin to some.

Bill: Yes. It's all engineered manipulation... Edward Bernays. See "Century of the Self'
(Adam Curtis — it's an important work of genius)
Century of the Self (Very Important BBC Documentary) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30408-Century-of-the-Self--Very-Important-BBC-Documentary-)

Debra: @Bill >>>>the unconscious desire to self-destruct.
This I think lies at the core of the situation
That guy (Ed Bernays) was genius .. intention not pure - but on the nose
The unconscious desire to self destruct .. that tingles with me .. are we the engineers ?

Bill: I have absolutely no idea.. it 'tingled' with me, too

Debra: Personally I don't want to entertain this deeper idea .. but it is there, lurking - no mistake. The question is: how to transcend it and move into more proactive waters

Bill: Something I've been thinking about for a long time is all the signs we have, all around, that this is a society in terminal decline... despite increased awareness in some areas, and all our technology. Like the ancient Romans and Greeks, you can see the downfall on its way.

Debra: Precisely
I am nodding here

Bill: Sickness, crime, disconnection, loneliness, mental illness, lack of purpose, lack of spirituality, pornography, pollution, destruction of nature, a tsunami of cheap goods with zero aesthetic merit ... this is why the ETs don't land :)
Add in there an erosion of cultural values: the breakup of the family unit (and music, anyone??)
The Truth About Popular Culture — a brilliant video by Paul Joseph Watson (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95880-The-Truth-About-Popular-Culture----a-brilliant-video-by-Paul-Joseph-Watson)

Debra: I am programmed to not accept this - I have fought against this for over 30 years because I do want a future ... but I do see what you see

Bill: Step back a little, and it's easy to see that humanity is in very, very deep trouble.
And back to marketing (in various forms) — that's one of the drivers for ALL the above.
It's very hard also to think that this is not engineered. Deliberately, over several generations.
Those with enormous wealth and power do know all this. They do nothing to stop the lemmings heading for the cliff.
(they encourage the stampede)

Debra: That they do!
They are all around us. Pick them out

Bill: So, again, the Corey Goode thing is just a very tiny case study. A toxic product being pushed, to the detriment of everything that has real truth, quality and value.
But it's a perfect analogy.
And, the consumers buy it... because they want to.

Debra: It's a hard job selling sovereignty

Bill: I really should do The Avalon Interview, Part II

Debra: Yes

Bill: Everything we've been talking about above deserves an airing... I really would like to make a thread about all of this. There's a ton of food for thought for some folks.

Debra: That is inevitable .. we stand by you and stand proudly. I will go by my full name. Not a problem
I am Debra Robertson

Bill: Okay... I think I'll distill it down, and do this: it's very real-time genuine.

Debra: You bet

Bill: No need for the 'Robertson'! The members all know you as ‘Debra’ :star:
I do like posting parts of the mods' Skype chat sometimes... gives the good people out there a clue that we're very human, and have some interesting conversations :bigsmile:

Debra: But I am a Robertson .. Billy, in Scotland, will know what I mean! I will say good night now, Bill BIG HUGS from flatearthdownunder :bearhug:

Bill: :thumbsup:
Sleep well! :bearhug:

[norman]

Quite a sizable chunk of that conversation was about society in terminal decline. That's something I find more interesting to talk about than Corey Goode, long term.

Brand buyouts make me angry. It's like ripping the skin off a sheep and putting it on a wolf.

edit:

As I've probably just confused Branding with marketing I consulted googe for advice and found this:

http://paintestimating.com/v3/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Branding-vs.-Marketing.png

[Hervé]

Interesting:


Interesting...

When one applies what's left of their inquisitive skills and abilities to realizing that Earth cannot be flat... then said inquisitive skills and abilities are freed enough to also realize that "Flat Earth" is indeed a psy-op designed to mis/re-direct said inquisitive skills and abilities away from the shape of some kardashian's behind or the latest gossips around some star-of-the-day... and towards more important endeavors... like why the "establishment" is so insistent on running wars in the Middle East and funding terrorists there to keep the area in a very unstable state that's been the lot of [South America, South Asia,] Africa and is now spreading to Europe and Asia... or the unsavory cultural practice (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27790-While-you-were-out---business-as-usual) of - and benefits (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25102-For-an-idea-on-the-big-picture) to - said "establishment" resulting from these wars?

Rome is burning but the "Romans" are more interested in what's happening in the "Arena" and which whistleblower is gonna be eaten first - alive or dead - by the wild beasts and trolls? Or who's gonna win: The Blue Avians or the Red/White Dragons?

Yep! "Divide and Conquer" people's attention so that neither pitchforks nor torches get a chance to come out.

[Mike]

Yes, the word "branding" has always sent a shiver up my spine. Athletes often speak of "branding" themselves...And I think the intent is to provide a public image that they are satisfied with ("image"..another word I despise) before the media does it for them. It's like a race almost. A part of me understands this. But whether its provided thru them or the media, it's still just an "image"...a fictionalized version of reality thats being communicated thru media to make $, or to become or remain "marketable". This manufacturing of personalities is almost necessary these days because there are so few real, genuine, interesting people in areas like art, science and sport. I mean, look at Corey! This man is boring and flat..not a shred of charisma to speak of. And yet, with his marketing team(and attention hog dave wilcock), hes garnered the attention of many thousands of people. And this is just as much an indictment on those people as it is Corey. He couldnt do it without them.

Personally, im only interested in people that can "market" themselves, without the need for all the pageantry. Muhammad Ali didnt need a team to be magnetic and interesting. Anyone who requires a team of marketers to get their stuff out is massively deficient in many many ways...deficient in authenticity for starters. The more people I see surrounding them, the more suspicious I become(it started with the moronic Wilcock, now Dr Gonzo ..er I mean Salla...and itll be interesting to see who hops on the money train next)

So yeah, I agree Bill and Deb...humanity is in a deep decline. No doubt. When I was growing up I had Ali and Lennon and Bowie and Prince to look up to. and many others. They all defined "cool" in a way that encouraged authenticity and honesty and creativity. Kids nowadays have what?....these brainless Kardashians snapping photos of themselves offering blank smiles to the phone camera god in the sky? Empty celebrity is the religion of the masses. It's an insidious disease for which I see no immediate cure. And Corey has found a way to exploit it

[happyuk]

I've just seen Corey Goode's LinkeIn profile too. Talk about pompous overblown bilge! Interesting that he calls himself an "engineer".

Like Goode, I also consider myself an engineer. Engineering professions are objective in their approach. There is no grey area, every effect has a cause and every fault has reason. I spent much of my work area in fault finding, that has included faults in industrial robotics, telecoms protocols, health informatics and police evidence management. Colleagues smarter than me have dealt with faults within motorway communication networks, nuclear loading systems for the trident programme and power station data acquisition and control systems.

What you learn in this type of work is that you cannot trust what people say and you soon work out ways of validating assumptions in order to eliminate a range of possibilities for the fault, and find out yourself. By using a series of different tests, you can sense blood and then hone in on the fault. This is what we love doing. By the end of the process you usually get down to actual problem and can then fix it. You are effectively a forensic detective. In order to be able to do this you need a total understanding of whatever system it is you are dealing with.

Applying this mindset I have found that in the world of alternative media there is what I call an "information war" going on and I believe that much of the information is being spread by intelligence agencies via "operatives" like Goode. These operatives are masquerading as genuine researchers or journalists whom are broadly accepted.

Those in Project Avalon generally now know who several of them are and do a sterling job of exposing them so as to end the disgraceful psy-ops programmes which intelligence agencies have been pedalling for decades. Incidentally I am convinced tax-payers money has been used to bankroll these individuals.

To me, this makes sense, both as a means of cover up and debunking/ridiculing of genuine UFO/Crop Circle/Alternative/etc phenomena. I personally feel aggrieved about this disgraceful intervention by unscrupulous governmental and greedy factions.

[Sierra]

De picture of Corey is SO photoshopped... :ROFL:
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[TargeT]

Yes, the word "branding" has always sent a shiver up my spine. Athletes often speak of "branding" themselves...And I think the intent is to provide a public image that they are satisfied with ("image"..another word I despise) before the media does it for them. It's like a race almost. A part of me understands this. But whether its provided thru them or the media, it's still just an "image"...a fictionalized version of reality thats being communicated thru media to make $, or to become or remain "marketable".

I work very hard on my branding; because I am my own advertiser and my wife and I produce our own media.

I think this can be done in a way that is not negative, I see it as building the most information dense image/concept of "what we do" so people who have no idea can quickly assimilate the information.

I can't see why my actions would be despised; my intent is entirely positive in all aspects and so is the outcome of our work.


Branding is just leveraging an understanding of hte human psychology... unfortunately it's also mostly used by narcissistic types that just want to "use" their target demographic. I can see how it's been given a bad name, but I still see it as an important tool to understand (at least so you can be ready to defend against it).



Brand buyouts make me angry. It's like ripping the skin off a sheep and putting it on a wolf.

This is the insidious side of branding... it's high deception.

[Mike]

Yes, the word "branding" has always sent a shiver up my spine. Athletes often speak of "branding" themselves...And I think the intent is to provide a public image that they are satisfied with ("image"..another word I despise) before the media does it for them. It's like a race almost. A part of me understands this. But whether its provided thru them or the media, it's still just an "image"...a fictionalized version of reality thats being communicated thru media to make $, or to become or remain "marketable".

I work very hard on my branding; because I am my own advertiser and my wife and I produce our own media.

I think this can be done in a way that is not negative, I see it as building the most information dense image/concept of "what we do" so people who have no idea can quickly assimilate the information.

I can't see why my actions would be despised; my intent is entirely positive in all aspects and so is the outcome of our work.


Branding is just leveraging an understanding of hte human psychology... unfortunately it's also mostly used by narcissistic types that just want to "use" their target demographic. I can see how it's been given a bad name, but I still see it as an important tool to understand (at least so you can be ready to defend against it).


hey TargeT, i hear you. it sounds like what youre doing is authentic. youre presenting yourself honestly and not trying to manipulate your "image" to cater to demographics and so forth. thats cool. ive got no issue with that.

its the exploitation angle of it that irks me...from disingenuous people just trying to make a buck, at whatever cost. selling their soul to the devil, so to speak. and manipulating naive people along the way. they dont care who they hurt and what damage it creates in the process..as long as theres a profit. thats more what i was talking about.

[RunningDeer]

Based on a couple of videos I fast forwarded through, Corey’s made some tasteless jokes at David Wilcock’s expense. Once during a live audience when David talked of his sexual relationship preferences, and two more below where Corey gaslights his friend.

I speculate that David is unaware of this video where he appears only twice: 14 seconds at the beginning and 15 seconds at the end. It’s out of context or at the very least these spots should’ve been edited out.

The last one is @ 30:46 (https://youtu.be/bcw-18pYhlY?t=30m46s). Corey pans over to David and the words come up: “The side effects of a high vibratory diet.” Then you hear the sound effects of gas. (It’s after the duck call sound.) I believe it was added in because David’s expression never changed. My guess is it’s a continuation of the earlier footage.

I don’t believe David would’ve approved of those private moments between friends to be shared across the internet.

Hey, Corey-Dude, so, sooooo not cool. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/smileys-smiley-with-sign-486816_zpsrbeytt0b.GIF
I'd suggest you do not add comedian to your 'extensive' resume.


bcw-18pYhlY

[Fellow Aspirant]

RE: Goode's "Intrepid Pioneer Smugshot"

Wow. That whole "age regression" thing is a-mazing!!!

B.

[Bill Ryan]

De picture of Corey is SO photoshopped... :ROFL:
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A few others, too.

http://projectavalon.net/Corey_Goode_and_the_blue_sphere_1.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Corey_Goode_and_the_blue_sphere_2.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Corey_Goode_and_the_blue_sphere_3.jpg


There's no alt media whistleblower (real or false), author, researcher, radio host, or anyone else I can think of in all the time I've been studying these subjects (which is quite a few decades now) — who has presented themselves in any way like this.

He brings the entire serious field into disrepute, and turns it into a Buck Rogers comic strip.

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In contrast, once again, and without apology, here's my friend Jon Danner, who was killed in Dec 2008 for simply stating publicly that he'd made the brave decision to speak at conferences about his experiences. (And his story (http://projectcamelot.org/mr_x.html) was for real.)

There's nothing photoshopped about this picture. It wasn't necessary to embellish a thing.

http://projectavalon.net/Jon_Danner.jpg

[Justplain]

I think this whole debacle points to the need for a standard for scrutinizing self-proclaiming whistleblowers. I am not entirely sure what that standard can be composed of, but it would include:

a) an easy background check that would prove that the circumstances the individual claims they are from, or were invloved with, is corroborrated

b) the corroborrating evidence for the individual's claims, such as documentary and physical evidence

c) the consistency in the delivery of the story from one venue to the next

d) the intuitive feeling/vibe from the individual

I would say that based on this criteria, Corey Goode fails the test. Others in the failure category include captain k, mark richards (imho), andy basiago, fulford, james casbolt, the ruiner, etc.

Those who may pass the honesty test but fail on judgement (ie. dont scrutinize well enough) include wilcock, salla, stephen greer and kerry cassidy (imho).

Those who pass this test include Bill Ryan, Richard Dolan, Daniel Leist, Catherine Austin Fitts and James Corbett.

[DeDukshyn]

Just a little something interesting I noticed ...


I won't judge too terribly much here, as I have a reasonably high IT-ish position (director of MIS) and don't have a whole lot of post secondary either, but it just seems interesting to me that his education is only "Religion and Psychology" (interesting in itself, isn't it? As that would be the desired education needed pull something like this off), and one, more recent, IT certificate.

[TargeT]

Just a little something interesting I noticed ...


I won't judge too terribly much here, as I have a reasonably high IT-ish position (director of MIS) and don't have a whole lot of post secondary either, but it just seems interesting to me that his education is only "Religion and Psychology" (interesting in itself, isn't it? As that would be the desired education needed pull something like this off), and one more recent IT certificate.

I'm not a Director, I'm in a "high ish" (though not really, responsibility wise) IT position working for the military, I have been for 17 years now. I have 8 certifications (and should have more, there's a regulation that requires us to have certain levels of certification based on our position (http://govitwiki.com/wiki/8570.01), however I think this may have been implemented after Goode's time in the military (again, I have no clue on his timeline, I haven't given him much attention at all because I'm not very receptive to material like his))

Me and corey knocked heads on technical issues a few times, because he's not very technical; I'm certainly not an "IT guru" but I know my work, Goode doesn't.

Falsehoods like that are pretty telling usualy....And if you find one, there's more.

[amandapoet]

Wow, this is so timely. I recently allowed myself to get swept into the need to supplement my income by peddling skin care products---and marketing them through my social media accounts. I'll confess to have been a Facebook junkie this past year. And I can't explain why, but in the middle of April a switch was flipped. The idea of having to brand myself on social media or face-to-face, for the purposes of peddling products, talents, or services anymore just felt wrong. I couldn't bring myself to produce the facade anymore. The sad thing is that I haven't even realized how many layers I have been applying to create this "branded" self, as opposed to the authentic self. To be honest, I feel like I'm still chipping away at that mask-- but their is some decent air flow getting through now!

[eaglespirit]

Thank You, Bill and Debra. for bringing this conversation out in the open!

Thanks to the Avalonians sharing here too!

Tremendous insights in there that I feel are felt by many here at Avalon.

Do what you say and say what you do with the earnest intent of simply helping ourselves and each other learn and grow needs a new forthcoming...
is this thread a part of the actualization of the realization?

Is the blatancy of this flaunting and deception bringing the awareness of the unconscious desire to self destruct and the manipulation of it out in the open too?

[Verdilac]

Wow, this is so timely. I recently allowed myself to get swept into the need to supplement my income by peddling skin care products---and marketing them through my social media accounts. I'll confess to have been a Facebook junkie this past year. And I can't explain why, but in the middle of April a switch was flipped. The idea of having to brand myself on social media or face-to-face, for the purposes of peddling products, talents, or services anymore just felt wrong. I couldn't bring myself to produce the facade anymore. The sad thing is that I haven't even realized how many layers I have been applying to create this "branded" self, as opposed to the authentic self. To be honest, I feel like I'm still chipping away at that mask-- but their is some decent air flow getting through now!

You may find the switch tries flip back in the coming months,and if so,it may be hard to resist. It is however very liberating to overcome the urge to go backwards . To help you can think of what it took to remove yourself from the uncomfortable situation found yourself in(just saying). A while back I quantified things and realised that working for certain parties and playing a role, plus also presenting an image that was expected of me,was something that I was no longer comfortable with. My reward was paper(money) and sometimes short lived respect because I had performed well or excelled, in reality I was just being exploited for my skills and enthusiasm, my ego also played its part too.

It can be a hollow existence if you don't try to keep things real & genuine, so good on you :thumbsup:

[TargeT]

Wow, this is so timely. I recently allowed myself to get swept into the need to supplement my income by peddling skin care products---and marketing them through my social media accounts. I'll confess to have been a Facebook junkie this past year. And I can't explain why, but in the middle of April a switch was flipped. The idea of having to brand myself on social media or face-to-face, for the purposes of peddling products, talents, or services anymore just felt wrong. I couldn't bring myself to produce the facade anymore. The sad thing is that I haven't even realized how many layers I have been applying to create this "branded" self, as opposed to the authentic self. To be honest, I feel like I'm still chipping away at that mask-- but their is some decent air flow getting through now!

You may find the switch tries flip back in the coming months,and if so,it may be hard to resist. It is however very liberating to overcome the urge to go backwards . To help you can think of what it took to remove yourself from the uncomfortable situation found yourself in(just saying). A while back I quantified things and realised that working for certain parties and playing a role, plus also presenting an image that was expected of me,was something that I was no longer comfortable with. My reward was paper(money) and sometimes short lived respect because I had performed well or excelled, in reality I was just being exploited for my skills and enthusiasm, my ego also played its part too.

It can be a hollow existence if you don't try to keep things real & genuine, so good on you :thumbsup:

Just to re-iterate a counter point, I think what she was doing can be done very authentically (and it's extremely fulfilling) and positively; but you have to believe in what you do, not do it for money. That concept is a a bit against what the majority of society thinks should motivate us.

I did it for years, I worked IT because it pays well, not because I believe in it or really enjoy it... and I've suffered for the fact.. especially because I've grown to despise my employers. I did that for 12 years before I started doing something I believe in and unabashedly promote and "brand" because I think it will inspire others to do similar or benefit directly from what we do already (http://www.cruzancowgirls.com/cruzan_cowgirls_horse_rescue/).

I'm not rich because of it, monetarily.. Yet I am, in reality... ;)

[Sunny-side-up]

He will be running for Presidency in the near future.

but wait, that might not be high enough for him o.0
a CV step up i guess :)

[Nerge]

Guess I'm the only one that found the tone of that chat log a bit embarrassing - regardless of what your opinion is about someone, how one conducts themselves often speak volumes.

I'm neither for or against Corey btw.

[Bill Ryan]

how one conducts themselves often speaks volumes.


Yes, it really does.

[amandapoet]

Wow, this is so timely. I recently allowed myself to get swept into the need to supplement my income by peddling skin care products---and marketing them through my social media accounts. I'll confess to have been a Facebook junkie this past year. And I can't explain why, but in the middle of April a switch was flipped. The idea of having to brand myself on social media or face-to-face, for the purposes of peddling products, talents, or services anymore just felt wrong. I couldn't bring myself to produce the facade anymore. The sad thing is that I haven't even realized how many layers I have been applying to create this "branded" self, as opposed to the authentic self. To be honest, I feel like I'm still chipping away at that mask-- but their is some decent air flow getting through now!

You may find the switch tries flip back in the coming months,and if so,it may be hard to resist. It is however very liberating to overcome the urge to go backwards . To help you can think of what it took to remove yourself from the uncomfortable situation found yourself in(just saying). A while back I quantified things and realised that working for certain parties and playing a role, plus also presenting an image that was expected of me,was something that I was no longer comfortable with. My reward was paper(money) and sometimes short lived respect because I had performed well or excelled, in reality I was just being exploited for my skills and enthusiasm, my ego also played its part too.

It can be a hollow existence if you don't try to keep things real & genuine, so good on you :thumbsup:

Just to re-iterate a counter point, I think what she was doing can be done very authentically (and it's extremely fulfilling) and positively; but you have to believe in what you do, not do it for money. That concept is a a bit against what the majority of society thinks should motivate us.

I did it for years, I worked IT because it pays well, not because I believe in it or really enjoy it... and I've suffered for the fact.. especially because I've grown to despise my employers. I did that for 12 years before I started doing something I believe in and unabashedly promote and "brand" because I think it will inspire others to do similar or benefit directly from what we do already (http://www.cruzancowgirls.com/cruzan_cowgirls_horse_rescue/).

I'm not rich because of it, monetarily.. Yet I am, in reality... ;)
I absolutely agree! I just realized how careful and selective I need to be in the future. If what I'm seeking to acquire is truth and awareness during this lifetime, then that is what I also have the responsibility to put out. I actually feel like I'm getting and giving more now that I was in the beginning of this year. And as a mom, I don't want to influence my children to feel like they need to fit into some filtered post of some one less than who they really are-- because they both are their own perfection.

Sorry if this digresses too far from the original topic- but I am really enjoying everyone's contribution to this particular conversation.

[DarMar]

Things get really interesting and kinda awkward .. sphere alliance psyop :D
Love the opening lines tho .. feels oblate <3

[Foxie Loxie]

Well, they don't call us Sheeple for nothing!! :doh: Having been married to a religious "conman" in my first marriage I find I can sense things that others might not right off. Thanks for posting the conversation between you two! Another name I would add to the True Blue List is David Adair. It is such a privilege to be a part of a Forum where we don't have to deal with others trying to manipulate us. Thanks for setting the bar high, Bill! :victory:

We Love You for who you ARE! :grouphug:

[Bill Ryan]

I am really enjoying everyone's contribution to this particular conversation.

Well, good! I should maybe share some of the informal mods' conversations more often.

The mods' Skype chat, which has been running continuously since at least 2010 (or earlier! I can't remember :) ), is like a kind of coffee lounge in a large, busy office. When we're not occupied with forum housekeeping (or real life!), we drop in there and see who else might be around.

We tell personal stories, share jokes, post news items for each other, get all philosophical sometimes, and (of course) discuss serious forum business, like making decisions together about things, major or minor, in real time.

One of the things I've always wanted to do, since the forum's launch in Aug 2008, is present the mods as flesh-and-blood people with real personalities, who care — about really quite a lot of diverse things. (That's why one of the Avalon traditions is to abandon made-up, anonymous usernames, and for the mods to show their real names instead.)

So, we try to be 'professional' in our demeanor, but also as human as possible. Because we're like all other forum members, too. Paul likes to talk about the 'delightful diversity' in the membership (and we all agree), and that's reflected in the mods team, as well.

We don't all agree about everything, and we have some rather interesting conversations sometimes about 'hot' topics. Now and then, it often occurs to me that those really could be usefully shared, but I usually never get round to it. So, one of the spin-offs of the chat I copied to start this thread was to purposefully show at least a couple of us, transparently, in a fly-on-the-wall, human light.

:focus:

And the personality-marketing thing really is something I've had in my strong awareness for quite a long time. When I see or hear the snazzy, glitzy, sometimes very 'professional' (but not always! :facepalm: ), intro to a radio show, for instance, I quite often cringe. I really do.

What I see is a kind of Stockholm Syndrome: the alt media likes to think it's the higher-integrity alternative to the mainstream media, but all too often I just see copying of cheap style.

Here's just one example, from Buzzsaw (https://www.youtube.com/show/buzzsaw). A tiny thing, but I find it really irritating. I often wonder if anyone else sees this.

http://projectavalon.net/Buzzsaw.jpg

If you watch carefully (and I have), you'll see that all the monitors in the background, carefully giving the impression of a busy studio, are each on a continuous image loop... there's nothing real happening there at all. It's all fake.

Now, this was unlikely to have been what Sean Stone wanted or even thought of. It was almost certainly the 'clever' notion of some producer. Sean and Buzzsaw are being marketed. Of course.

But here's the nub of the entire point which I'm making:

The alt media supposedly stands for authenticity, honor, integrity, truth. Yet, all around, I see just the opposite.

Often, it's simply revenue-generating entertainment. We're actually becoming rather like our enemies.

[Foxie Loxie]

"Follow the money".....that's what it always comes down to no matter WHAT venue one is talking about! :bigsmile:

[TargeT]

When I see or hear the snazzy, glitzy, sometimes very 'professional' (but not always! http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0406%20Facepalm.gif ), intro to a radio show, for instance, I quite often cringe. I really do.
I distrust things like your example "buzzsaw" simply because of it's production, its the same plasticy crap that I stopped watching TV because of. I like the guy on his web camera presenting well researched (AND SOURCED!) ideas and thoughts, I don't need the fancy eye candy and mental trickery done by these highly produced "products".

Plus, I know a tiny bit about how much work goes into these "over produced" items, in my mind that mean's the possibility of "back stage agenda" becomes very high.




Often, it's simply revenue-generating entertainment. We're actually becoming rather like our enemies.

There's a small handful that do it right; but it is very small.

I still feel that one of the better examples out there (and he's far from esoteric in topic coverage)is Corbett (https://www.youtube.com/user/corbettreport)
https://yt3.ggpht.com/-18ENytFD7iY/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/nmL5kOfqUsw/s176-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg

I think I read it mentioned before, and you already provided a partial list with "grades" next to personalities.. I think that's a great idea but I also feel it should be a crowd sourced list, maybe we can leverage the minds here to help research the personalities from many different angles (many of us do this already as a hobby).

The end state in my mind would be a "rotten tomatoes" for "alt media"...but instead of based on enjoyment, based on trustworthiness and authenticness.

[7alon]

I am really enjoying everyone's contribution to this particular conversation.

Well, good! I should maybe share some of the informal mods' conversations more often.

The mods' Skype chat, which has been running continuously since at least 2010 (or earlier! I can't remember :) ), is like a kind of coffee lounge in a large, busy office. When we're not occupied with forum housekeeping (or real life!), we drop in there and see who else might be around.

We tell personal stories, share jokes, post news items for each other, get all philosophical sometimes, and (of course) discuss serious forum business, like making decisions together about things, major or minor, in real time.

One of the things I've always wanted to do, since the forum's launch in Aug 2008, is present the mods as flesh-and-blood people with real personalities, who care — about really quite a lot of diverse things. (That's why one of the Avalon traditions is to abandon made-up, anonymous usernames, and for the mods to show their real names instead.)

So, we try to be 'professional' in our demeanor, but also as human as possible. Because we're like all other forum members, too. Paul likes to talk about the 'delightful diversity' in the membership (and we all agree), and that's reflected in the mods team, as well.

We don't all agree about everything, and we have some rather interesting conversations sometimes about 'hot' topics. Now and then, it often occurs to me that those really could be usefully shared, but I usually never get round to it. So, one of the spin-offs of the chat I copied to start this thread was to purposefully show at least a couple of us, transparently, in a fly-on-the-wall, human light.

:focus:

And the personality-marketing thing really is something I've had in my strong awareness for quite a long time. When I see or hear the snazzy, glitzy, sometimes very 'professional' (but not always! :facepalm: ), intro to a radio show, for instance, I quite often cringe. I really do.

What I see is a kind of Stockholm Syndrome: the alt media likes to think it's the higher-integrity alternative to the mainstream media, but all too often I just see copying of cheap style.

Here's just one example, from Buzzsaw (https://www.youtube.com/show/buzzsaw). A tiny thing, but I find it really irritating. I often wonder if anyone else sees this.

http://projectavalon.net/Buzzsaw.jpg

If you watch carefully (and I have), you'll see that all the monitors in the background, carefully giving the impression of a busy studio, are each on a continuous image loop... there's nothing real happening there at all. It's all fake.

Now, this was unlikely to have been what Sean Stone wanted or even thought of. It was almost certainly the 'clever' notion of some producer. Sean and Buzzsaw are being marketed. Of course.

But here's the nub of the entire point which I'm making:

The alt media supposedly stands for authenticity, honor, integrity, truth. Yet, all around, I see just the opposite.

Often, it's simply revenue-generating entertainment. We're actually becoming rather like our enemies.

You're absolutely right, Bill. This is why I unsubbed from Gaia very quickly... after the first month. I noticed it wasn't what I was looking for at all. It just seems a lot of it is so marketed, it put me off watching anything actually interesting they may have. I only really watched the Pete Peterson interview, which I have recorded on my pc.

[Innocent Warrior]

Guess I'm the only one that found the tone of that chat log a bit embarrassing - regardless of what your opinion is about someone, how one conducts themselves often speak volumes.

I'm neither for or against Corey btw.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/3fbfd8afdf287f859f450206bf6bb1cf/tumblr_mskqegKYjP1svcx84o1_400.gif

Out of everything about the chat, which included this...

http://projectavalon.net/Corey_Goode_pose_sm.jpg

you found the tone embarrassing...

[Carolyn Hamlett]

Sometimes it isn’t about being for or against anyone. It’s about being for the truth.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I notice that Mr. Goode's LinkedIn says that he is a consultant for the video game industry.

We are a pretty connected community, especially the older crowd. We kind of all know each other. We do not know Corey Goode.