Jordan Sather

[waves]

Jordan Sather is a very interesting new young man on the scene that I suspect is about to have a rapid rise in the alt media. At first I thought how great that the younger generation is cutting through so much muck and putting it all together so well, but my confidence in him as a true independent is fading fast. I'm beginning to wonder if he's the new and improved David Wilcock designed to appeal to his generation.

He's got that same bright, off handed cavalier delivery like David Wilcock showing a deep understanding of a vast array of complex alternative subjects from science to politics to physics to medicine to astronomy and adding lots of dot connecting - but without David's overbearing ego and relentless lame references to secret sources and dreams as verification.

However, after a couple weeks of listening to new and older podcasts, the cavalier-ness is beginning to feel very acted to me, he's starting to make too many references to David Wilcock and Corey Goode, and says he's going to make his first interviews Goode and Salla at Conference in the Desert. All bad omens.

I'm holding back a little but leaning more and more toward suspecting there's a new actor on the scene about to play a big new role.

Here's one recent example, lots more at his youtube channel 'Destroying the illusion'
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVTRzCXvIbdK0Y1ZxD-BlA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCPgq96ku4k

[CurEus]

There was a time when David Wilcox was inspiring to listen to. His lectures were thought provoking and expansive for the mind and consciousness. I'm not sure where it all went wrong but the first sign to me was his alignment with Benjamim Fulford.

I have no particular bias against Benjamin and no particular interest in him either. (although I have never been able to verify any of his wild claims) but to me that was the point when David completely left his own generated content and started using others. Yes, yes he did pop into a few Camelot interview sessions and did one or two of his own interviews of others. But then there is the full on collaborations and cross promotion of others. Decidedly odd.

[TargeT]

Jordan Sather's got good energy, but his depth of research is pretty weak. I quit watching his stuff, feels like he's making content just to make content at times.


I didn't suspect anything nefarious.. but I guess it's a possibility.

[OMG]

I can see why you say the new improved Wilcock. Yet not seeing lots of depth yet or any "genius", but the kid is definitely likable, smart and I wish more kids were like him.

[Slant84]

Wow. This kid thinks/speaks 150 miles per hour. He needs to slow down and deliver his thoughts in a matter that could be more easily grasped for the casual subscriber, which is to whom I suppose his expected audience is. I heard whirlwinds of Edgar Fouche ( I'm assuming that's where he gets his info from but doesn't cite him) ,the TR3B producing gold ( that's great!) and then he goes on an intellectual tear that is accurate in some areas, and pulled from fantastical whims the next instant.
It's great to hear a millennial pronounce Carl Jung's name correctly lol. He makes some fine points in all, but needs to work on his delivery if he wants to lecture on a video. Bright minded kid, and forward thinker.
As far as comparisons to Wilcock, I'm not sold either way on one video but his ego seems intact.

[Mike]

How old is this kid? Does anyone know?

[TargeT]

How old is this kid? Does anyone know?

My guess would be late 20's very early 30's.. . he's a father etc.

certainly not a millennial.

[Slant84]

How old is this kid? Does anyone know?

My guess would be late 20's very early 30's.. . he's a father etc.

certainly not a millennial.
You're probably absolutely correct. He's just baby faced. I do believe he's a tad older than I first thought. Millennials are the generation born from roughly '82 to the mid 90s. 👍🏼
On second thought, your age prediction would put him right in there lol. Who knows

[TargeT]

Millennials are the generation born from roughly '82 to the mid 90s. 👍🏼
For some reason I thought that was Generation "Y" and millenials were born after 2000...

I guess he is a millennial then. (and I'm close).

[Slant84]

Millennials are the generation born from roughly '82 to the mid 90s. 👍🏼
For some reason I thought that was Generation "Y" and millenials were born after 2000...

I guess he is a millennial then. (and I'm close).

Yeah I just edited my own post. I'm 42. Generation X. I'm getting older so fast I forget relative dates and times. Man it goes by fast.

[Basho]

How old is this kid? Does anyone know?

He has a video addressing criticisms from his trolls where he states that he's 26. Love the guys enthusiasm & he seems to be sincere. But who knows with ALL alt celebrities. Like target says, question everything.

[Mike]

26? okay. well, i have to say, he's way beyond where i was at that point. im impressed. and thats reassuring...i hope more n more younger people get it going with the dot connecting and so forth from an early age. if we're to have any hope, we need the young to be better than us. we're the old models now...and that is a very good thing.

[CurEus]

Wow. This kid thinks/speaks 150 miles per hour. He needs to slow down and deliver his thoughts in a matter that could be more easily grasped for the casual subscriber, which is to whom I suppose his expected audience is. I heard whirlwinds of Edgar Fouche ( I'm assuming that's where he gets his info from but doesn't cite him) ,the TR3B producing gold ( that's great!) and then he goes on an intellectual tear that is accurate in some areas, and pulled from fantastical whims the next instant.
It's great to hear a millennial pronounce Carl Jung's name correctly lol. He makes some fine points in all, but needs to work on his delivery if he wants to lecture on a video. Bright minded kid, and forward thinker.
As far as comparisons to Wilcock, I'm not sold either way on one video but his ego seems intact.

People in their 20's these days tend to speak at 1000 miles/hour so if that is his audience he is communicating well, the use of visuals and "sporadic nature" will help those with very short attention spans. I think he is doing well....could probably use a mentor to help him discern the veracity of some of the things he is presenting as factual.

[TargeT]

26? okay. well, i have to say, he's way beyond where i was at that point. im impressed. and thats reassuring...i hope more n more younger people get it going with the dot connecting and so forth from an early age. if we're to have any hope, we need the young to be better than us. we're the old models now...and that is a very good thing.


Elders are needed in every community ;)

I don't feel like I'm an elder, definitely still lost wondering from topic to topic; I started at about 25 (After my first deployment, though I didn't jump in as deep as Jordan has, I had to tip toe in while my consciousness re-aligned and tried to flush out the previous biases and "learning"). If he sticks with it and doesn't get sucked into Goode / Wilcock / Norey trap, he could be a very good addition..

I fear for his discernment at this point based on the 5 or so videos I've watched.. he seems to pick up a ball and run with it rather quickly; when perhaps the ball needs a bit more scrutiny.

[Mike]

26? okay. well, i have to say, he's way beyond where i was at that point. im impressed. and thats reassuring...i hope more n more younger people get it going with the dot connecting and so forth from an early age. if we're to have any hope, we need the young to be better than us. we're the old models now...and that is a very good thing.


Elders are needed in every community ;)

I don't feel like I'm an elder, definitely still lost wondering from topic to topic; I started at about 25 (After my first deployment, though I didn't jump in as deep as Jordan has, I had to tip toe in while my consciousness re-aligned and tried to flush out the previous biases and "learning"). If he sticks with it and doesn't get sucked into Goode / Wilcock / Norey trap, he could be a very good addition..

I fear for his discernment at this point based on the 5 or so videos I've watched.. he seems to pick up a ball and run with it rather quickly; when perhaps the ball needs a bit more scrutiny.



Agreed. He needs to slow down a little and analyze data a bit more thoroughly... And I think he will. But thats about the worst thing I can say about him. He's young and overexcited at the moment. He's anxious to display his quick mind and is in a race to display all his dot connecting and so forth. I recall being sort of similar when I was starting out - theres this great urge to "alert the masses". Theres no regard for people evolving at their own rate, no sense of pacing when trying to inform people etc. Ah man, I get a little embarrassed looking back at my early attempts to "awaken" people
:facepalm: ... this young guy is a lot more polished than I ever was...

And yeah, I like being an elder!:thumbsup: Ive felt sorta old all my life anyway, so its an easy role for me to adjust to. But I hear ya...by "elder" I hardly mean that im a finished product, or some wise, all knowing buddha figure. Ive got a long way to go man

[Janet Cotten]

Jordan Sather is on it! I don't see the comparison to Wilcock at all. If that was meant to knock this Soul down a notch it didn't work for me. He breaks down information that is easy to absorb i.e. The SCHUMANN video. This is one dot connector a step above the rest.

[Joey]

He's a smart guy and makes some good points. I feel he has to go down the rabbit hole still a lot more as he is not grasping the depth of the situation. He is still very much thinking in '3d' and thinks intercontinental at most. Eventually he has to break out of that in order to grasp the even bigger picture. He's still very much in the political illusion and is an promoter of Trump. He also has an aliens are good mentality and is very much in for the destruction of 'the system' and welcomes every sign of decay. I think he fails to see that these events are designed to shift the power into another form of global control which is being set in place on this planet right now.

The other thing is that he is financially depended on his media content and views. This in my view is a direct blockage on his freedom of speech and flexibility of content, as he has to satisfy his viewers.

I hope he manages to steer these rough waters, which have become even rougher for him now he has all this media attention. I do feel that he is sincere, but it will be a challenge for him to steer his momentum into the deeper layers of reality.

[waves]

I don't see the comparison to Wilcock at all. If that was meant to knock this Soul down a notch it didn't work for me........

I'm curious how you interpreted the sum of my OP and which of the comparisons I explained I was making to Wilcock in a thread even titled 'new and improved' would lead you to wonder if I meant to 'knock Jordan's soul down a notch'.

[TargeT]

I don't see the comparison to Wilcock at all. If that was meant to knock this Soul down a notch it didn't work for me........

I'm curious how you interpreted the sum of my OP and which of the comparisons I explained I was making to Wilcock in a thread even titled 'new and improved' would lead you to wonder if I meant to 'knock Jordan's soul down a notch'.

Maybe he's not familiar with Wilcock's history.. he was an amazing asset... years ago... that has now been compromised terribly. "early" wilcock was someone I support, "current" wilcock is not, his current manifestation makes me a bit sad... If someone like that can be gotten too.......

[waves]

I don't see the comparison to Wilcock at all. If that was meant to knock this Soul down a notch it didn't work for me........

I'm curious how you interpreted the sum of my OP and which of the comparisons I explained I was making to Wilcock in a thread even titled 'new and improved' would lead you to wonder if I meant to 'knock Jordan's soul down a notch'.

Maybe he's not familiar with Wilcock's history.. he was an amazing asset... years ago... that has now been compromised terribly. "early" wilcock was someone I support, "current" wilcock is not, his current manifestation makes me a bit sad... If someone like that can be gotten too.......

Target, your take is much closer to the point I intended (and I'm a she), but maybe my OP was too vague. I did really mean 'a new and improved programmed individual', but not with any belittling of Mr. Sather's soul.... (and I was plenty suspicious of David way early http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42029-Maybe-time-to-take-a-serious-look-at-David-Wilcock&p=442530#post442530 )

I meant that I was struck by how Jordan so strongly has all those so intoxicating first impression qualities and wide ranging depth and dot-connecting as David appeared on the scene with, but I believe David's been a programmed and used individual all along and Jordan makes me wonder if it was time for someone new and improved to fill a similar alt media role. I sure hope it's just that Jordan is really bright and still gullible and vulnerable with lots more to learn as others have suggested, but to be so advanced so quickly plus being on the verge of quickly aligning with David and Corey are bad omens and it remains to be seen how innocent the sum of those factors are.

[Scorpion 58]

He is 26 years old.

[Honesty]

I appreciate greatly how Bill Ryan stood up for us over the years. Bill has proven over the years to be the most trustworthy person whose name is recognized in the alt media exopolitics world.

We are moving back into promoting advanced energy technologies this year...hoping they receive the funding and support they deserve.

The Advent of the Singularity, the same one our friend brought down in 2009, was made possible because through the laws of quantum computing, a singularity would have the ability to travel throughout space time. Thus when it's created in our human future it can access infinite time zones.

This is the strongest opportunity for a complete transformation of Earth for the better. Nothing else comes close to this.

https://youtu.be/cD8zGnT2n_A

[Honesty]

We are moving back into promoting advanced energy technologies this year...hoping they receive the funding and support they deserve.


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[lightwalker]

I was watching this video when an object flew by in the background. Called a friend and she said it was an airplane. However just after that she noticed another object that went by a LOT faster. The place on the video for both objects starts at 38:07. Comments appreciated,
lightwalker




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiU5TfehWW8

[Michelle Marie]

Faster craft at 38:28 - 38:32.

Yes, it was much faster than the plane. :)

MM :waving:

[Bill Ryan]

Yes, the first object is surely a plane. The second, also going left to right, appears at 38.25. If you look at it on full screen at 720p (HD, the highest resolution), and stop-motion it frame by frame, it appears (to me!) to be something flapping its wings.... I'm guessing a seagull, a small object relatively close to the camera and therefore appearing to be going very fast.

Here's a sequence of close-ups:

http://projectavalon.net/Jordan_Sather_flying_object.jpg

[RaiseMachine]

Comedy Central decided to do a 2nd sit down roundtable this week (Tues) with some "conspiracy theorists"; this time to talk about the Q "phenomenon." Jordan Sather was one of the four guests (one of which took part last time) that Jim interviewed and he was shown/made out to be the most well known present.

Let's put it this way, firstly I'm not a Q follower, although I have read a fair few of the 4chan posts along the way and caught some of the commentary as well by some of the "names" in the alt and social mediums that have been most prominent on this subject.

Secondly, I find some it interesting but still am of the opinion it's some sort of intel gathering mechanism/CIA/NSA etc. psyop that we're seeing. That's my opinion as of this time.
My general view (and I might expand on this later in another thread) is that you will only need two things for the future - two tools if you like - that you will need at all times. Number 1: a thorough understanding of advanced communications technology as we have it now and what it will continue to develop into and the human effects. Number 2: a better than layman's understanding of the psychology of belief and the belief systems that result.

From seeing the CC piece I wonder if he will ever come back from this. Why I say this will be obvious once you watch it. They (don't know the other three) were made to look like complete fools. It could be argued that they have set back genuine CT research back some way. That's indeed up for debate.

After Jordan got back from LA, he posted a video (Sun 12th) on one of his two channels that explained his side of the story - so to speak. He was clearly trying to defend his decision to take part and going out of his way to explain himself. This video got a lot of response so he followed it up with this one on Mon 13th:
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In which he continues to do the same thing, albeit in my opinion with a bit more ego (his is big already) and tried to explain some psychology which, in my book, made him sound even worse. He has a habit of trying to sound like an expert it seems on subjects he clearly knows very little about.

Anyway here's the piece (on Comedy Central's YT channel) in question. BTW that's not canned laughter in the background, the studio audience are obviously being shown the footage, possibly even more of it than was broadcast. ~6mins
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[A Voice from the Mountains]

I haven't heard that much laughter since Anne Coulter predicted Trump's victory very early into the race:

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[Innocent Warrior]

He’s a fame whore. Probably the reason he followed Q. I refused to watch a single one of his Q videos.

[Joe from the Carolinas]

He's backpeddaling on the community issue. Now he is not representing any community, but rather he is trying to create individuals that influence communities. Kind of confused me when Sather represented the secret space program communities by referencing William Tompkins as validating Corey Goode's ridiculous, made up narrative, as well jumping onto a book project with the same people.

That's fine though, he's certainly entitled to change his mind as he continues to grow.

It's unfortunate that he continues to ignore the very important behavior of seeking evidence to disconfirm his own bias (such as his claims about antarctica), however I suspect he will stumble on that the hard way when more of his audience begins doing their own research.

Incidentally, "Creating individuals" is a very jehovahistic manner of expressing his goal.

I have a question, if anyone knows-- is all of this stemming from a ~6 minute comedy central spot, where he shared the screen with 3 other people who did most of the talking? Or was there another additional segment with him individually?

Based on the 6 minute clip, I'd say that given the channel and the time available, Sather got a VERY FAIR edit-- it was one where he had little speaking time, and, it was quite clear that if he did object or try to go into a debate about a particular question, we didn't see it.

If he really did bring up all of the various topics he references in the "response" video above, Comedy Central could have really gotten some bigger laughs.

It was edited to make it seem like there was no intellectual discussion or debate, only internal inconsistency within the theory. And the other 3 people in the clip received much worse edits, as they had more speaking time.

However they did include something very intriguing- he was the one that named names of people that were going down. I thought that was forbidden on mass media, and the elite communicate with each other through predictive programming?

Why would “they” allow those names to appear on one of “their” broadcasts?

[A Voice from the Mountains]

He’s a fame whore. Probably the reason he followed Q. I refused to watch a single one of his Q videos.

Sounds a lot like David Seaman then. :bigsmile:




However they did include something very intriguing- he was the one that named names of people that were going down. I thought that was forbidden on mass media, and the elite communicate with each other through predictive programming?

Why would “they” allow those names to appear on one of “their” broadcasts?

You know what, this comment actually reminds me of a cryptic tweet from probably over a year ago that I believe was sent to Lynn de Rothschild's twitter account, before she announced that Twitter was too toxic for her and she was getting off of there.

I don't remember the details of the account that sent it, but the message was using a kind of Gnostic/archon terminology and told her that a shift in energy had been perceived, in a sense that nothing could be done about it.

I really wish I could find this. It caused some discussion on the pizzagate subvoat, but Voat doesn't have a search feature, not even for your own posts, and all the old pizzagate threads are mostly archived anyway, so it seems pretty hopeless.

I could be remembering details of this wrong, but the pizzagate researchers were getting the sense that someone she knew was sending her some kind of occult message or reminder. It was a pretty bizarre thing altogether.


Also, digging back through my pizzagate archives from around the time of the 2016 election... Wow. People had so much back then already, I'd already forgotten about half of it. The big bust in Norway involving school teachers, the government social worker arrested for murdering and dismembering a child, all of the evidence and maps of the tunnels under DC, the documentation on Alefantis being a Rothschild.

People were doing some feverish digging back then, when the Wikileaks were first dumped. Supposedly, that was going to be the leverage that the military was going to use to stage a coup if they had to at that time. The National Guard had been mobilized on election day and all kinds of crazy stuff. Then a month or so later was also around the time that Milo was going to be speaking on it in public and said he received a call telling him "not yet." Things have been on a relative slow-burner since then. I guess they want to make sure as many people as possible are caught up and on the same page by the time the tribunals are finally rolled out.

[David Trd1]

He’s a fame whore. Probably the reason he followed Q. I refused to watch a single one of his Q videos.

I really dont think he is. He seems to just carry the narcissism of youth and is on his journey of growth and gets lost and goes down wrong roads, the issue is , its all happening in the public eye and some people listen to him intently...

I imagine he will be very embarrassed in 10 years with alot of his output in the last 2, but such is the nature of growth and wisdom.

[ichingcarpenter]

Sather goes on Comedy Central......... the jokes and headline are writing themselves..... watched it... they made themselves seemed ridiculous which is why humour is a great equalizer. Gee and they weren't on the Science Channel but comedy Central?


Against the assault of laughter, nothing can stand.
- "The Chronicle of Young Satan," Mysterious Stranger Manuscripts
Mark Twain

[RaiseMachine]

However they did include something very intriguing- he was the one that named names of people that were going down. I thought that was forbidden on mass media, and the elite communicate with each other through predictive programming?

Why would “they” allow those names to appear on one of “their” broadcasts?

You know what, I caught the names at the time but didn't think anything of it. Now that I think about it, this is a very good point you bring up Joe it really is.

My initial thought is that the lawyers at CC looked it over, as per your point of being forbidden, and thought “you know what this lot sound like fools and so people will consider them fools and so we're OK in terms of any possible libel action.” Something like that. I don't know but sure would've liked to been a fly on *that* wall when CC were discussing the post filming edit.

[WalterBosley]

I'm just catching up with this thread. Just watched the Comedy Central vid.

:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

[WalterBosley]

And now I'm watching Sather's response to the responses vid.

:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

[Kryztian]

The intelligence community is looking for certain people who seem independent to be their unofficial spokespeople. They are trying to position Tom DeLonge as the public ambassador to UFO disclosure. They are probably trying to promote Sather as well to UFO and other conspiracy issues.

Sather and DeLonge are probably both unaware that they have handlers, that will present themselves as inside sources. The two are both both photogenic and will appeal to a segmented viewing audience, and yet are gullible enough to not realize how they are being played.

[RunningDeer]

Jordan a.k.a. "Destroying the Illusion" pinned a comment about himself under that video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFumeKZX_MA). :facepalm:


https://i.imgur.com/n86nv3J.jpg

[Innocent Warrior]

However they did include something very intriguing- he was the one that named names of people that were going down. I thought that was forbidden on mass media, and the elite communicate with each other through predictive programming?

Why would “they” allow those names to appear on one of “their” broadcasts?

Because it was a bunch of loons saying it, which utterly discredited anything legitimate about their claims. If any of them actually said anything intelligent, like refer to credible SRA survivor testimonies or compelling human trafficking cases (with survivors naming those names), that was never going to make it to the viewers.

They were nothing but a disservice to Trump by being on that show and it was never going to be any other way, regardless of what they said. Utter and complete fools for ever agreeing to the interview.

Think mainstream and it makes complete sense that they allowed that.

[Joe from the Carolinas]

However they did include something very intriguing- he was the one that named names of people that were going down. I thought that was forbidden on mass media, and the elite communicate with each other through predictive programming?

Why would “they” allow those names to appear on one of “their” broadcasts?

Because it was a bunch of loons saying it, which utterly discredited anything legitimate about their claims. If any of them actually said anything intelligent, like refer to credible SRA survivor testimonies or compelling human trafficking cases (with survivors naming those names), that was never going to make it to the viewers.

They were nothing but a disservice to Trump by being on that show and it was never going to be any other way, regardless of what they said. Utter and complete fools for ever agreeing to the interview.

Think mainstream and it makes complete sense that they allowed that.

Very good points Rachel, well said! Make fools of them, associate them with an expectation to laugh, and completely avoid legitimating the behaviors referenced by the real victims in all of this.

Heck now I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. :)

[robinr1]

Jordan sather is far from a loon. I follow his channel daily, as I follow yours also joe. IMO he does good work and is a good person.Judging someone

from a few edited clips is extremely misleading bordering on hateful.

[Innocent Warrior]

Jordan sather is far from a loon. I follow his channel daily, as I follow yours also joe. IMO he does good work and is a good person.Judging someone

from a few edited clips is extremely misleading bordering on hateful.

That’s what the mainstream does, they judge from a few edited clips, all they’ll see is a bunch of loons, the intended effect - that’s what I was saying, I thought that was made clear by the rest of my post.

Sather does good work? Really?! Well with his childish hope and willingness to compromise himself for the sake of self promotion, he, along with the other three fools, just managed to help “them” make a joke out of SRA survivors who have spoken out etc.. Brilliant, just brilliant work.

He can rationalise it by dressing it up as marketing for something helpful when he actually does something helpful - it WASN’T helpful. It was dumb.

Out of what I pointed out in that post, your response was to defend Sather? Baffling. I’m not mincing words about this because he has fans here, this is not a game, they should leave the big boys to the grownups to deal with.

[Bill Ryan]

Reading this thread with some amusement (I have to say). I'm rather with Rachel here: Jordan is bigheaded, ambitious and naive — but then, maybe at some point in our lives, we all may have been. The issue is really if he learns, and this sure sounds like quite a learning experience.

Sometimes, genuine humility, which Jordan does not possess, is the last thing that lands on someone's full plate.

[Innocent Warrior]

@Bill. Evidently my compassion is more selective than I like to think. I don’t agree that’s the issue, but point taken. :yo:

[RaiseMachine]

I'm just catching up with this thread. Just watched the Comedy Central vid.

Jordan’s comment under that video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFumeKZX_MA). :facepalm:


https://i.imgur.com/n86nv3J.jpg
I know right?

Something from that video that I could/should have put in my OP. He thought it was just going to be him talking with Jim. Talk about ego.
He also said it was a two hour conversation. That's two hours edited to six minutes, and he thought that it was a possibility they could broadcast in his words (from the video above) "a neutral stance." Really, like that was going to happen... Then admits they are probably going to go the way that they eventually did; what we all have now seen for ourselves. Naivety as a term is really not cutting it here.

The other thing I could have OP'd with is that he said Jim seems to be “well read” on these subjects (UFOs/flat earth were mentioned in the 2 hours) that he agreed that flat earth was a psy-op used to distract us from real and important issues and also that most UFOs are military prototypes/test vehicles and platforms. Jordan said that Jim agreed that this makes sense. Really Jordan? Come on don't insult the man it doesn't take anybody being well read to agree to those two points.

[RaiseMachine]

And to top it off, he thinks that this is somehow going to backfire on CC/MSM if he/they are made to look fools. No Jordan it's already backfired upon you as I've read YT comments from people that are now seeing through your ego and your seemingly fame hungry persona and also accusations of stabbing the "movement" in the back.

Wow messy.

[Jad]

I have nothing against the guy but it’s obvious that we are looking at a young David Wilcock wannabe here.. he would literally do anything to get some screen time.. if he was really doing this for service to others then he would have insisted on Jeffries coming on to his YouTube channel for an interview so he won’t risk looking like an absolute nutter on national TV with the rest of the flat earth wankers..

[TargeT]

Why would “they” allow those names to appear on one of “their” broadcasts?

No one gets TV air time with out reason... watching Jordan's video's makes me feel slimy... opportunistic manipulative deception anyone?


I can't watch any of his stuff; he just jumps on buzz topics and exploits them.


Jordan a.k.a. "Destroying the Illusion" pinned a comment about himself under that video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFumeKZX_MA). :facepalm:


https://i.imgur.com/n86nv3J.jpg


I guess I should have added mini-megalomaniac as well?

[ichingcarpenter]

Jordan Sather on Higherside Chats......

'Women only work because they can get day care now" ....... nevermind the economic oppression of why we can't have stay at home moms......... this guy has the wisdom and knowledge of a turnip

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I really like this channel but am disappointed they put this joker on

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Something from that video that I could/should have put in my OP. He thought it was just going to be him talking with Jim. Talk about ego.

They may have led him to believe that too. These major media companies are all incredibly slimy and dishonest on an everyday basis, and that's why he was stupid to agree to anything on their terms in the first place. He knew they were going to butcher everything that was said and he decided to go do it anyway.

[Praxis]

Of course he has the wisdom of a turnip, he believes in Q.

So It struck me the other day why so many people on here actually buy into the Q stuff.

Because POTUS is supposedly fighting a secret war, it gives cover to not actually change anything.

Our military budget is still getting bigger each year. We now have officially stopped the war on terrorism and are again focusing on "revisionist powers" and not as much on non state actors. https://dod.defense.gov/Portals/1/Documents/pubs/2018-National-Defense-Strategy-Summary.pdf

Did you hear anything about the change of focus and how the war on terror is over? If you read that document, they are talking about consolidating our gains in Iraq and Afghanistan. What gains? ANd that is just the start of that document, which is so poorly written and so obviously written by an MBA given the task.

Then there was the space force announcement. A huge shift in policy for that domain and the creation of an entire new branch of the national security state. The post on this forum got no attention or discussion despite christian crusader overtones and uber aggressive posture we are now taking to "dominate space." Let that sink in, DOMINATE SPACE. THey mention threats from space. WHat threats? Why is noone on this forum discussing the substance of that speech? Isnt this place about Aliens and ET and all that!??!I was expecting a whole big discussion on the implications of Pence speech. But little to nothing.

Yet the Q anon red herring has so much of this forums attention. Do you all not understand that PEnce's speech about the space force was kinda blowing out of the water the nominal notion that space was a peaceful domain for all humans and not to be militarized?

But this shows the true nature of many of the Q supporters. You are national security dude bros.
You actually want war and are ok with the American Corporate Imperium.
You dont care about Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen, etc. Or else you would be upset that Potus is continuing the same policies started by W Bush, which were continued by Obama.

You are alright with the increase in drone warfare because they are defending your ethnostate. You actually think an ethnostate is good.

We are expanding Guantanamo Bay and you are ok with this Because if you are not voicing concern, you are passively supporting it.

So there is Q. It is your nice drug. Your escape from our boring dystopia. You hide behind concern for children and pedophiles. I have seen many support ICE( which was created after 9-11, which POTUS has done nothing to expose or have a new investigation but hey he is fighting the deep state in other ways AMIRITE, literally using the Maud Flanders "wont some please think of the children." You can keep doing your research on the bread crumbs instead of asking for the entire loaf.

This should be game over because trump won, but they arent actually on your side so they needed a relief valve to stop the backlash from the right: Q is born. Q only worked when T was the underdog. But once he has power of the presidency, he can do all those magical things he promised(note the R also control both houses so dont get me Dem obstructionist nonsense.) Like some people here think this man is smart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elhyo-_fR0E

"Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you're a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us."

Just wow.

and never forget

FuTUre PrOVes PaST

[KiwiElf]

Of course he has the wisdom of a turnip, he believes in Q.

So in your opinion, everyone who "believes in Q" has the "wisdom of a turnip"? :boom:

(Hmmmmm ... seems to be a lot of "turnips" visiting Avalon's "Q" thread; almost half a million views in less than 10 months). :clapping:

All for a "Red Herring"? :ROFL:

Fascinating. :)

38854

:focus:

[RaiseMachine]

Just seen Joe's latest on this subject. Here's the video. Great breakdown and analysis. Nice job!
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[RaiseMachine]

Of course he has the wisdom of a turnip, he believes in Q.
So in your opinion, everyone who "believes in Q" has the "wisdom of a turnip"? :boom:

(Hmmmmm ... seems to be a lot of "turnips" visiting Avalon's "Q" thread; almost half a million views in less than 10 months). :clapping:

All for a "Red Herring"? :ROFL:

Fascinating. :)

38854

:focus:
The power of belief/confirmation bias/cult brainwashing at it's finest.

[Praxis]

Of course he has the wisdom of a turnip, he believes in Q.
So in your opinion, everyone who "believes in Q" has the "wisdom of a turnip"? :boom:

(Hmmmmm ... seems to be a lot of "turnips" visiting Avalon's "Q" thread; almost half a million views in less than 10 months). :clapping:

All for a "Red Herring"? :ROFL:

Fascinating. :)

38854

:focus:
The power of belief/confirmation bias/cult brainwashing at it's finest.

I dont know. I found myself instantly changed of opinion after reading our friend-from-down-under's response. He presented such a logical refutation of all my disagreements with trump. I mean, look at the numbers. You know, the thing about numbers is they dont lie. I have been shown the best numbers, and I am really good at numbers. I have been called one of the greatest understander of numbers of all time. Some people they see these numbers and let me tell you they are only pretending to understand the numbers. What we would do if these numbers fall into the wrong hands? It would be a huge disaster. Huge. These numbers are dangerous. First you have one, then you have two. Before you know it you are dealing with entire sets. Some people claim to know the biggest numbers, let me tell you we have the biggest numbers. We will be bringing the biggest numbers back to the country and keep them away from bad people.

[ichingcarpenter]

Of course he has the wisdom of a turnip, he believes in Q.
So in your opinion, everyone who "believes in Q" has the "wisdom of a turnip"? :boom:

(Hmmmmm ... seems to be a lot of "turnips" visiting Avalon's "Q" thread; almost half a million views in less than 10 months). :clapping:

All for a "Red Herring"? :ROFL:

Fascinating. :)

38854

:focus:
The power of belief/confirmation bias/cult brainwashing at it's finest.

I dont know. I found myself instantly changed of opinion after reading our friend-from-down-under's response. He presented such a logical refutation of all my disagreements with trump. I mean, look at the numbers. You know, the thing about numbers is they dont lie. I have been shown the best numbers, and I am really good at numbers. I have been called one of the greatest understander of numbers of all time. Some people they see these numbers and let me tell you they are only pretending to understand the numbers. What we would do if these numbers fall into the wrong hands? It would be a huge disaster. Huge. These numbers are dangerous. First you have one, then you have two. Before you know it you are dealing with entire sets. Some people claim to know the biggest numbers, let me tell you we have the biggest numbers. We will be bringing the biggest numbers back to the country and keep them away from bad people.

People always ask me about numbers, It's fantastic. Let me tell you about numbers. I do very well with numbers. I love numbers. No one loves numbers more than me, BELIEVE ME. numbers loves me. We're going to have so many numbers you are going to get sick of numbers. The numbers just got 10 feet higher. I have the best numbers.

[RaiseMachine]

@Praxis & ichingcarpenter : You two have just made my Sunday afternoon! Brilliant, very funny; it's like he's in the room! Well played.

[Jayke]

‘Gnosis, Praxis, Entelechis’ (‘to know, to do, to become)... or, the simpler way of saying it, “by their fruit thy shall be known”.

I’m not sure why people dislike Trump so much, you would’ve thought the American President that’s working to bring about the resolution of World War 3 might gain a little more respect. Most of the issues he gets slandered with are issues he’s inherited from his predecessors anyway. Whats Trump up to with the bigger picture right now (http://www.voltairenet.org/article202418.html) :sherlock:

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http://www.voltairenet.org/article202215.html




THE TWIGHLIGHT OF THE WAR

If we consider the war in Syria not as a singular event, but as the culmination of a world war which has persisted for a quarter of a century, we have to ask ourselves about the consequences of the imminent end of hostilities. Its completion marks the defeat of an ideology, that is to say globalisation and financial capitalism. The people who have not understood this, particularly in Western Europe, are defining their own exclusion from the rest of the world.

World wars do not only end with a winner and a loser. Their termination defines the contours of a new world.

The First World War ended with the defeat of the German, Russian, Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empires. The cessation of hostilities was marked by the elaboration of an international organisation, the League of Nations (LN), tasked with abolishing secret diplomacy and settling any conflicts between the member-states by arbitration.

The Second World War ended with the victory of the Soviet Union over the Nazi Reich and the Japanese Empire of hakkō ichiu [1], followed by a frantic chase between the Allies to occupy what was left of the vanquished Coalition. It gave birth to a new structure, the United Nations Organisation (UNO), tasked with preventing new wars by establishing international Law around a double legitimacy – the General Assembly, where each state has a voice, irrespective of its size, and a directorate composed of the five main victors, the Security Council.

The Cold War was not the Third World War. It did not end with the defeat of the Soviet Union, but by its collapse in and onto itself. It was not followed by the creation of new structures, but by the integration of the states of the USSR into pre-existing organisations.

The Third World War began in Yugoslavia, continued in Afghanistan, Iraq, Georgia, Libya and Yemen, and ended in Syria. Its battle-grounds were confined to the Balkans, the Caucasus and what we now call the « Greater Middle East ». It has cost the lives of countless Muslim and Orthodox Christian populations, without spilling over too much into the Western world. It is in the process of drawing to a close since the Putin-Trump Summit in Helsinki.

The profound changes which have transformed the world over the last 26 years transferred a part of the power of governments towards other entities, both administrative and private – and also vice versa. For example, we saw a private army, Daesh, proclaim itself a sovereign state. Or again, we watched General David Petraeus organise the most voluminous arms traffic in History when he directed the CIA, and then continue it after his resignation on behalf of a private company, the hedge fund KKR [2].

This situation may be described as a confrontation between, on the one hand, a transnational ruling class and, on the other, the governments responsible to their people.

Contrary to the imputations of propaganda, which attribute the causes of war to immediate circumstances, the true causes are to be found in rivalries and in deep-seated, ancient ambitions. States take years to challenge one another. Often, it is only with the passage of time that we are able to understand the conflicts which devour us.

For example, very few people understood what was happening during the Japanese invasion of Manchuria (1931) and waited until the invasion of Czechoslovakia by Germany(1938) to understand that it was racist ideologies which provoked the Second World War. Identically, rare are those who understood that by the war of Bosnia-Herzegovina (1992) the alliance between NATO and political Islam opened the way for the destruction of the Muslim world [3].

And today, despite the work of journalists and historians, many people have still not understood the enormity of the manipulation of which we have all been victims. They refuse to admit that NATO coordinated its Saudi and Iranian auxiliaries on the European continent. And yet this is a fact which is impossible to contest [4].

Similarly, they refuse to admit that Al-Qaïda, accused by the United States of having perpetrated the terrorist attacks of 9/11, fought under the orders of NATO in Libya and Syria. And yet this is another fact that is impossible to contradict [5].

The initial plan, which was intended to set the Muslim world against the Orthodox world, became transformed as it unfolded. There was no « war of civilisations ». Chiite Iran turned against NATO, which it had served in Yugoslavia, and allied with Orthodox Russia in order to save multi-confessional Syria.

We must open our eyes to History and prepare ourselves for the dawn of a new world system in which certain of our friends of yesterday have become our enemies of today, and vice-versa.

In Helsinki, it was not the United States which drew up an agreement with the Federation of Russia. It was the White House alone. Because the common enemy is a transnational group which exercises authority in the United States. Since this group considers itself, and not the elected President, to be the representative of the USA, it did not hesitate to immediately accuse President Trump of treason.

This transnational group has succeeded in making us believe that ideologies are dead and that History is finished. It presents globalisation, in other words Anglo-Saxon domination by way of the extension of the US language and life-style, as the consequence of the technical development of transport and communication. It assures us that a single political system is the ideal for all humanity - democracy (in other words « government of the People, by the People, for the People ») - and that it is possible to impose this ideal by force on all humanity. Finally, it presents the freedom of circulation of people and capitals as the solution to all problems of labour and investment.

However, these assertions, which we all accept in the course of our daily lives, do not stand up to a minute of thought.

Behind these lies, the transnational group has systematically worn down the Power of states and amassed fortunes.

The side which will be the victor of this long war defends, on the contrary, the idea that in order to chose their destiny, people must organise themselves into clearly-defined Nations, based either on a land or else on a common history or project. Consequently, it supports national economies rather than transnational finance.

We have just experienced the World Football Cup. If the ideology of globalisation had won the war, we should have supported not only our national team, but also the teams of other countries according to their membership of our common supra-national structures. For example, the Belgians and the French would have had to support one another mutually by waving the flag of the European Union. But this did not occur to a single supporter. This fact shows the chasm which separates the propaganda with which we are force-fed and which we repeat, and our spontaneous behaviour. Despite appearances, the superficial victory of globalism has not modified what we are.

It is obviously no coincidence if Syria, where the idea of a state was first imagined and developed several thousand years ago, is the land upon which this war will end. It is because they benefited from a true state which never stopped functioning that Syria, its people, its army and its President were able to resist against the most gigantic coalition in History, constituted by 114 member states of the United Nations

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The Q material is definitely a psy-op, but, not all operations are malicious. Some operations are necessary to heal and remove cancerous material from the body. The fruit of the Q material is that hundreds of thousands of people are beginning to wake up to the corruption of the transnationalist agenda that’s insidiously been expanding its sphere of influence to rule over them. It’s a psy-op that’s galvanising the creation of new network communities, aiding in the transfiguration of consciousness, conditioning the collective psyche for a new archetypal pattern of civilisation to emerge.

There’s many positive changes on the horizon right now, for those with the Gnosis to see through the distractions, the Praxis to act without fear, and the Entelechis to see the world in its greater potential. The Entelechis of the Q phenomenon is that it’s helping move people upwards on the scales of character development, which can only be a positive for the world overall.

You can all call me a naive idealist if you like, but, I don’t see anything wrong with those numbers, i mean, the numbers look good to me, in fact, the numbers look great, I love those numbers. And, I’d personally like to thank KiwiElf for his undaunting efforts in being part of the emergence of the creative process that’s making those numbers happen.:highfive:

[Foxie Loxie]

Excellent summation, Jayke! :highfive: I would say the general public is unaware that it is a transnational group that controls the world. Nor are they aware that there has been a shift in the relations of the world order.

I agree...someone who is trying to avoid a nuclear conflict should be applauded! :clapping:

[RaiseMachine]

Don't know if this has been posted before. Seems a good fit here. From back in May; hadn't seen it myself. Seems pretty conclusive that Q is indeed a chan born/taken over LARP.cKSUlfT_MnM

[KiwiElf]

Don't know if this has been posted before. Seems a good fit here. From back in May; hadn't seen it myself. Seems pretty conclusive that Q is indeed a chan born/taken over LARP.cKSUlfT_MnM

So you haven't actually watched it but because it says it's "proven/factual", that must make it "conclusively" true? Unirocks "theories" All debunked on the "Q" thread ages ago = clickbait ;) (He hasn't got a clue what "Q" is about... along with many others, including Alex Jones & Dark Journalist :Angel:).

38914 (posted by "Q" today)
Nothing to see here (all for a LARP????). Sure it is ... ;)

If you want "Q" facts, I'd suggest you read/study the "Q" thread - plenty of "proof" ... if you look. :idea:

(I don't know about you, but I prefer to get my info from the horse's mouth,... not the horse's ass) :)

EXAMPLE: "Q" accurately knew (a month ahead), the date & hour of McCain's death... "fascinating" :sherlock:

And if I'm not mistaken, this thread is about Sather's appearance on Comedy Central, which by all accounts, hasn't harmed his credibility with his "Q" analysis (read the comments NOW under your OP's video & his more recent updates).

"Enjoy the show" :ROFL:

[RaiseMachine]

Don't know if this has been posted before. Seems a good fit here. From back in May; hadn't seen it myself. Seems pretty conclusive that Q is indeed a chan born/taken over LARP.cKSUlfT_MnM

So you haven't actually watched it but because it says it's "proven/factual", that must make it "conclusively" true? Unirocks "theories" All debunked on the "Q" thread ages ago = clickbait ;) (He hasn't got a clue what "Q" is about... along with many others).

38914 (posted by "Q" today)
Nothing to see here (all for a LARP????). Sure it is ... ;)

If you want "Q" facts, I'd suggest you read/study the "Q" thread - plenty of "proof" ... if you look. :idea:
Don't know where you got that idea from. I only post what I've read/watched previously.

And from the email Unirock received - yeah it's a LARP.

The qorce is strong with this one.

[Chanie]

Whether it was wise for Jordan Sather to take part in the Comedy Central interview is debatable, for sure. I watched it and cringed on behalf of those who participated.

Liz Crokin said that she “encouraged him to go on it” because even though Comedy Central would try to make him look like a fool, she felt it might end up “red pilling” people.
See: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gRbwOQPHauM (at the 1:15 mark)

In the case of Jordan, I think it is important to remember his age. He is 27-28 years old compared to Richard Dolan’s 56 and Linda Moulton Howe’s 76. He doesn’t have the advantage of having been in this field for 30-50 years and being able to tap into a lifetime of research the way the latter two can.

Although I can’t provide the link, I remember listening to James Gilliland talk about meeting Jordan Sather a couple of years ago at a conference. He said he thought to himself, “This is the next generation.” He talked about how people in the alternative community are getting older and said that it is important for us to encourage and mentor young people like Jordan. Since then, he has made a point of inviting him to be a presenter at his ranch events.

I’ve watched some of Jordan’s YouTube videos and think he does a reasonable job of distilling the latest Q news into a half hour segment. I’ve never thought of him as being arrogant. I would describe him more as earnest with a healthy dose of youth’s cocky-confidence.

Young people need to see themselves reflected in this community—to be able to listen to presenters-analysts who are closer to themselves in age. As an old fart, I may relate more to Dolan and Howe, but I understand that we need to make room for younger people like Jordan too.

[KiwiElf]

Don't know if this has been posted before. Seems a good fit here. From back in May; hadn't seen it myself.

Then you might want to clarify what you typed... (above), ie, perhaps the word "posted" between "it" & "myself"... if that's what you meant? ;)
Might be a LARP; might be real, too! (Of course, you're entitled to believe whatever you want!) :) In any case, it's far from "conclusive"


10 REASONS QANON MIGHT BE REAL (2018)
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[David Trd1]

In the case of Jordan, I think it is important to remember his age. He is 27-28 years old compared to Richard Dolan’s 56 and Linda Moulton Howe’s 76. He doesn’t have the advantage of having been in this field for 30-50 years and being able to tap into a lifetime of research the way the latter two can.

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From a point of compassion, this is an important point, he doesnt seem to have had the ''reckoning" and shedding that comes with 28-31, yet at least (saturn returns if your so inclined) its a hell of a time........I still have faith he`ll grow into something substantial and will learn as he goes forward. I hope he does, because he is one of the younger figures, as you ref, in the alternative community. I cant watch too many of his videos though, at all...

[WalterBosley]

Basically that crowd is getting what they wanted: the limelight. Sather, Goode, Wilcock and company have always been about the limelight, not the truth. Of course, they're getting it a little more sour than they expected, but that's what they deserve. As long as there are any bucks to be made in the alternative research/ufology/paranormal fields etc, people like that will be present. Remember, the Spiritualists who wanted Houdini dead were interested in sheltering their livelihood. For all their BS, they are about attention and money, primarily, and I say only that, at heart.

[Ascension]

EXAMPLE: "Q" accurately knew (a month ahead), the date & hour of McCain's death... "fascinating" :sherlock:



The Q post you are referring to is the mention of suicide that was posted a month before McCain's death? There was no accurate mention of date & hour in that post unless by accurate you mean in the ballpark based on the date of that post. McCain had a agressive brain tumor which typically runs it's course in 12 months. See Gord Downy of Tragically Hip fame for another look at the glioblastoma playing out in the same time frame.

[Chanie]

Basically that crowd is getting what they wanted: the limelight. Sather, Goode, Wilcock and company have always been about the limelight, not the truth. Of course, they're getting it a little more sour than they expected, but that's what they deserve. As long as there are any bucks to be made in the alternative research/ufology/paranormal fields etc, people like that will be present. Remember, the Spiritualists who wanted Houdini dead were interested in sheltering their livelihood. For all their BS, they are about attention and money, primarily, and I say only that, at heart.

Well, the need to earn a living definitely complicates things. Also, the online world of social media lends itself more to being in the limelight than sitting in a room writing books. It’s as if we blinked and the world changed before our eyes.

One of the things that Goode and Wilcock did right was to recognize the need to get young people “on board.” As James Gilliland suggested, young people like Jordan Sather represent the upcoming generation. They need good mentors and I would stress the word “good.” It’s unfortunate that Goode and Wilcock took him under their (blue?!) wings, so to speak.

It’s interesting that Jordan has turned his attention away from Goode and Wilcock’s world and towards Q. It makes sense that he would do this because Q is a hot topic in the alternative world right now and he is trying to find his niche as a YouTube “influencer.”

This will probably make people here cringe, but that is the new reality. Jordan is in a position to influence his peers on these subjects. Yes, it is possible for him to make a living at this. I would suggest that researchers in the field should be reaching out to him and offering guidance. I think some of the Q researchers like Lionel and Liz have done this.

Anyway, I’m not prepared to write him off at this point. I remember the mistakes I made at his age and the mentors whom I met in those early years. When Jordan’s my age, I suspect he will look back in a similar fashion and realize how much he grew along the way.

[KiwiElf]

EXAMPLE: "Q" accurately knew (a month ahead), the date & hour of McCain's death... "fascinating" :sherlock:



The Q post you are referring to is the mention of suicide that was posted a month before McCain's death? There was no accurate mention of date & hour in that post unless by accurate you mean in the ballpark based on the date of that post. McCain had a agressive brain tumor which typically runs it's course in 12 months. See Gord Downy of Tragically Hip fame for another look at the glioblastoma playing out in the same time frame.

Sure... whatever you say. :clapping: (There were several damning "Q" posts about McCain and videos explaining them - including his "death"; which one are you referring to?). ;) ... sorry, but I'm not going to waste any more time debating it with those who don't do their "Q" homework. :sherlock: Nor will I participate in this unproductive, judgemental little "hate fest" with "unqualified armchair psychologists" against a young person with good intentions/integrity, learning the ropes, just like we all had to learn. :thumbsdown:

Last time I checked, it's an ongoing process and we've all made mistakes. NO-ONE on Avalon is "ALL KNOWING". Just remember where & when YOU started this journey?

To repeat a quote that at least one of you IS familiar with, (as you've used it; you know who you are):

“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”

― Harlan Ellison


Believe what you want ... it won't change the outcome, either way ... :)

"You can take the horse to water..."

(Here's ONE of those videos ... there are others: X22, Serial Brain & Praying Medic... have you watched them?

Q Anon Foretold No Name's Death 5.10.18 & Exactly 1 Month & 2 Weeks Prior, To the Date!
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... oh gosh, & even one by Jordan Sather! Watch... at your risk!) :ROFL:

[8.27] Q / No Name McCain / Jax, FL / Pope / Thank God for Russian Bots!
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As the Anons say, "Read Moar" :thumbsup:

[RunningDeer]

It’s interesting that Jordan has turned his attention away from Goode and Wilcock’s world and towards Q. It makes sense that he would do this because Q is a hot topic in the alternative world right now and he is trying to find his niche as a YouTube “influencer.”

Along with Corey Goode, David Wilcock, Emery Smith and gang, Jordan Sather was a part of “Dimensions of Disclosure (https://www.dimensionsofdisclosure.com/red-pill-entries),” on August 17th - 20th. This meet up (https://www.meetup.com/gaia-tv-community-boulder-county-and-northern-colorado/events/250965621/) was hosted by Gaia TV Community.

I can’t help but wonder if Jimmy Church is creating distance. Teresa writes: “Teresa Yanaros of Divine Frequency was honored to be Master of Ceremonies and host the three-day event.”

@ 5:35 (https://youtu.be/fHLGM1mbGLM?t=5m35s) - Corey Goode: “I did want to say hello to Jimmy Church. He had a ear infection or something that kept him from being able to come this weekend. So we wanted to mention him and put him in people's thoughts and prayers.”



Corey Goode at Dimensions of Disclosure with Teresa Yanaros
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Divine Frequency
Published on Aug 21, 2018

Teresa Yanaros interviews Corey Goode at his conference, kicking off the beginning of Dimensions of Disclosure in Loveland, Colorado. The event took place August 17th-19th, 2018, and featured 18 speakers from across the world passionate about spreading the truth to the masses. Teresa Yanaros of Divine Frequency was honored to be Master of Ceremonies and host the three-day event. Sterling Nicole Bennett of Divine Frequency managed live stream interviews throughout the weekend with speakers and attendees.

[Deux Corbeaux]

It’s interesting that Jordan has turned his attention away from Goode and Wilcock’s world and towards Q. It makes sense that he would do this because Q is a hot topic in the alternative world right now and he is trying to find his niche as a YouTube “influencer.”

Along with Corey Goode, David Wilcock, Emery Smith and gang, Jordan Sather was a part of “Dimensions of Disclosure (https://www.dimensionsofdisclosure.com/red-pill-entries),” on August 17th - 20th. This meet up (https://www.meetup.com/gaia-tv-community-boulder-county-and-northern-colorado/events/250965621/) was hosted by Gaia TV Community.

I can’t help but wonder if Jimmy Church is creating distance. Teresa writes: “Teresa Yanaros of Divine Frequency was honored to be Master of Ceremonies and host the three-day event.”

@ 5:35 (https://youtu.be/fHLGM1mbGLM?t=5m35s) - Corey Goode: “I did want to say hello to Jimmy Church. He had a ear infection or something that kept him from being able to come this weekend. So we wanted to mention him and put him in people's thoughts and prayers.”



Corey Goode at Dimensions of Disclosure with Teresa Yanaros
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Divine Frequency
Published on Aug 21, 2018

Teresa Yanaros interviews Corey Goode at his conference, kicking off the beginning of Dimensions of Disclosure in Loveland, Colorado. The event took place August 17th-19th, 2018, and featured 18 speakers from across the world passionate about spreading the truth to the masses. Teresa Yanaros of Divine Frequency was honored to be Master of Ceremonies and host the three-day event. Sterling Nicole Bennett of Divine Frequency managed live stream interviews throughout the weekend with speakers and attendees.

Did I hear the name Roger ?

That reminds me of a Dark Journalist video I saw last year.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfJD93Gxo1s

AND...


I also remember the transformation of Teresa from a plain young woman with dark hair and no makeup, into this "great teeth, posture, charismatic with sex appeal" (thank you ichingcarpenter) chick with bleached blond hair.`


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST7gC10ltQg

[Chanie]

It’s interesting that Jordan has turned his attention away from Goode and Wilcock’s world and towards Q. It makes sense that he would do this because Q is a hot topic in the alternative world right now and he is trying to find his niche as a YouTube “influencer.”

Along with Corey Goode, David Wilcock, Emery Smith and gang, Jordan Sather was a part of “Dimensions of Disclosure (https://www.dimensionsofdisclosure.com/red-pill-entries),” on August 17th - 20th. This meet up (https://www.meetup.com/gaia-tv-community-boulder-county-and-northern-colorado/events/250965621/) was hosted by Gaia TV Community.

I can’t help but wonder if Jimmy Church is creating distance. Teresa writes: “Teresa Yanaros of Divine Frequency was honored to be Master of Ceremonies and host the three-day event.”

@ 5:35 (https://youtu.be/fHLGM1mbGLM?t=5m35s) - Corey Goode: “I did want to say hello to Jimmy Church. He had a ear infection or something that kept him from being able to come this weekend. So we wanted to mention him and put him in people's thoughts and prayers.”



Corey Goode at Dimensions of Disclosure with Teresa Yanaros
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Divine Frequency
Published on Aug 21, 2018

Teresa Yanaros interviews Corey Goode at his conference, kicking off the beginning of Dimensions of Disclosure in Loveland, Colorado. The event took place August 17th-19th, 2018, and featured 18 speakers from across the world passionate about spreading the truth to the masses. Teresa Yanaros of Divine Frequency was honored to be Master of Ceremonies and host the three-day event. Sterling Nicole Bennett of Divine Frequency managed live stream interviews throughout the weekend with speakers and attendees.

I believe Jordan, Teresa and Jimmy all attended the 2018 ECETI conference. Jordan and Teresa were presenters and I seem to recall Jimmy being there as well. I think he did some kind of presentation there in August. The three of them were also at the 2017 ECETI conference. So they are still in contact, but it doesn’t sound like David, Corey, Emery or Roger had anything to do with that event and that is probably a good thing.

[RunningDeer]

Did I hear the name Roger ?

That reminds me of a Dark Journalist video I saw last year.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfJD93Gxo1s


Corey mentions Roger twice in that video (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103970-Jordan-Sather-goes-on-Comedy-Central-w-Jim-Jefferies-to-talk-QAnon&p=1244945&viewfull=1#post1244945). I’ve noticed he’s never clear which Roger he’s talking about: Roger Marsh or Roger Ramsaur a.k.a. Emma Gold. It wouldn’t surprise me Corey is deliberately vague.

Director of Communications, Roger Marsh (https://www.mufon.com/contact.html)

MUFON Journal, editor
MUFON.com, webmaster
Social Media, producer
Television, Film, Documentary and other media projects
   

Dark Journalist - A Six Part Series on The New Age Deep State (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97897-Dark-Journalist-A-Six-Part-Series-on-The-New-Age-Deep-State&p=1156176&viewfull=1#post1156176):




Dark Journalist: Goode’s business partner Roger Ramsaur has kept largely in the shadows as he built up something called Full Disclosure Network (FDN) over the last year. Now we can see the oddity that this FDN movement doesn’t even mention UFOs in their title or reference the topic much as you would expect from a disclosure oriented organization. The evidence suggests that the ‘Disclosure' they are referring to is the Disclosure that Lucifer the Light Bringer will bring the world into his domain and that they are using the narrative of the Blue Avians to introduce a new Satanistic Movement under the guise of Advanced Alien Races coming to help humanity.

[RunningDeer]

I believe Jordan, Teresa and Jimmy all attended the 2018 ECETI conference. Jordan and Teresa were presenters and I seem to recall Jimmy being there as well. I think he did some kind of presentation there in August. The three of them were also at the 2017 ECETI conference. So they are still in contact, but it doesn’t sound like David, Corey, Emery or Roger had anything to do with that event and that is probably a good thing.

Teresa Yanaros and Jordan Sather were speakers @ ECETI 2018 (https://privateinvitationeceti.com/eceti-2018-conference/2018-speakers-gallery/) - Science, Spirit & World Transformation Conference - Disclosure through Self Mastery. No mention of Jimmy Church as an invited speaker. I recall he was at the 2017 ECETI conference. It could be seen as another example of Jimmy Church creating distance from Corey and the Gang. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/noidea.gif

[Chanie]

I believe Jordan, Teresa and Jimmy all attended the 2018 ECETI conference. Jordan and Teresa were presenters and I seem to recall Jimmy being there as well. I think he did some kind of presentation there in August. The three of them were also at the 2017 ECETI conference. So they are still in contact, but it doesn’t sound like David, Corey, Emery or Roger had anything to do with that event and that is probably a good thing.

Teresa Yanaros and Jordan Sather were speakers @ ECETI 2018 (https://privateinvitationeceti.com/eceti-2018-conference/2018-speakers-gallery/) - Science, Spirit & World Transformation Conference - Disclosure through Self Mastery. No mention of Jimmy Church as an invited speaker. I recall he was at the 2017 ECETI conference. It could be seen as another example of Jimmy Church creating distance from Corey and the Gang. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/noidea.gif

I thought I heard Jimmy’s voice on some footage from the Conference—that he had attended as a guest—but I must have been mistaken. I can’t find any evidence of this.

I did stumble across this video which indicates that Corey Goode was going to be Jimmy Church’s “special guest” at his Soul Tech event at ECETI in August.
See: http://prophecyseeker.proboards.com/thread/894/fade-black-radio-jimmy-church?page=5 (at the 10:25 mark)

And then, I found this: https://soultechgathering.com/speakers/

So it looks like Jimmy is still working with him. :focus:

[Denise/Dizi]

It is so very sad that those in the field of disclosure are just going after each other, and really not even attacking facts, but just hurling accusations, and personal attacks at each other.

For those of us trying to put our own contacts into perspective, this part of the field of disclosure is just petty. If they're going to attack each other, how about we attack the information, rather than hair color, and religious beliefs?

Half the real experiencers that do speak out feel the need to OVER explain everything so no one thinks they're lying about their own information, and the other half say nothing at all, because of what is going on. Telling your story is difficult enough, much less to find this going on..

While many of these people are joker's in my opinion, they are sharing some information that rang true to my own experiences.. I just wish they could pull themselves together, and find better ways to do it. Surely there is plenty of room in the field for ALL of them. And some of them are way better communicators than I would ever be, yet they're wasting their talents bickering.

Perhaps they have reasons to, and this is a red flag in the whole scene.. More than likely deliberate. For this reason I KNOW I will never attempt to tell my story again.. But I hope it doesn't disuade others from sharing theirs...

[RunningDeer]

I thought I heard Jimmy’s voice on some footage from the Conference—that he had attended as a guest—but I must have been mistaken. I can’t find any evidence of this.

The confusion may be there are several conferences and a promo teaser. I'd add here that I was wrong about Jimmy Church distancing himself from the gang.


James Gilliland (and Jordan and Teresa) : July 4th- July 8th presenters and presenters workshops at ECETI 2018 CONFERENCE are found here (https://privateinvitationeceti.com/eceti-2018-conference/).
Jimmy Church (and Corey) @ ECETI Ranch: August 9th – August 12th  NEW MOON – SOUL TECH GATHERING with Jimmy Church of Fade2Black Radio and Modern Masters. [presenters here (https://soultechgathering.com)]

Other James Gilliland workshops (https://privateinvitationeceti.com/eceti-2018-calendar/):

August 16th – August 20th Skywatch Weekend
August 23rd – August 27th Full Moon Skywatch Weekend
August 30rd – September 4th Labor Day Weekend Ambassador Workshop with James Gilliland – including Teacher’s Training


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The Uncontrolled Narrative is due out this fall and is about the UFO cover up, and how the real disclosure comes from the people.

Featuring James Gilliland, John Vivanco, Teresa Yanaros, Jimmy Church, Jordan Sather, Mary Rodwell, Clifford Mahooty, Greg Sullivan, Peter Maxwell Slattery, Billy Carson, Steve Murillo, Cathy Whittenburg Leidall and Kenzie Kazme.



The Uncontrolled Narrative - 2nd Teaser
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Published on Aug 22, 2018

[WalterBosley]

Actually, we do address what they say. At least I do. I only refer to their persons when discussing within a context of character. I think people who peddle what they do and how they do it have a serious character flaw. They push speculations as facts, at the very least. Of course, I'm not in the 'field' of disclosure. I think the pursuit of disclosure isn't very productive and is rather emotion-driven. But that's just me. I'm not opposed to disclosure, I just think ET will determine when and if it happens, not the likes of Wilcock, Goode etc. Sather would do himself VERY good to distance himself from them and take up with real researchers, yes indeed.

By the way, I'm a guest on Dark Journalist this Friday night, lol.


It is so very sad that those in the field of disclosure are just going after each other, and really not even attacking facts, but just hurling accusations, and personal attacks at each other.

For those of us trying to put our own contacts into perspective, this part of the field of disclosure is just petty. If they're going to attack each other, how about we attack the information, rather than hair color, and religious beliefs?

Half the real experiencers that do speak out feel the need to OVER explain everything so no one thinks they're lying about their own information, and the other half say nothing at all, because of what is going on. Telling your story is difficult enough, much less to find this going on..

While many of these people are joker's in my opinion, they are sharing some information that rang true to my own experiences.. I just wish they could pull themselves together, and find better ways to do it. Surely there is plenty of room in the field for ALL of them. And some of them are way better communicators than I would ever be, yet they're wasting their talents bickering.

Perhaps they have reasons to, and this is a red flag in the whole scene.. More than likely deliberate. For this reason I KNOW I will never attempt to tell my story again.. But I hope it doesn't disuade others from sharing theirs...

[ThePythonicCow]

By the way, I'm a guest on Dark Journalist this Friday night, lol.
Cool :).

[TargeT]

Sather would do himself VERY good to distance himself from them and take up with real researchers, yes indeed.


I'm not so sure that Sather's inherent personality isn't the main issue, especially after watching the comedy central clip... the guy acted like he knew EVERYTHING and yet was easily baited into talking about shape shifting reptilians and flat earth and all kinds of complete time wasters; it's like he didn't understand the game he was playing (he HAD to know it was a set up for editorial slaughter, had he acted accordingly he could have been helpful) at all.

[muxfolder]

Sather would do himself VERY good to distance himself from them and take up with real researchers, yes indeed.


I'm not so sure that Sather's inherent personality isn't the main issue, especially after watching the comedy central clip... the guy acted like he knew EVERYTHING and yet was easily baited into talking about shape shifting reptilians and flat earth and all kinds of complete time wasters; it's like he didn't understand the game he was playing (he HAD to know it was a set up for editorial slaughter, had he acted accordingly he could have been helpful) at all.
Straight to the point.:) And this of course is exactly what those like Jim Jeffries (I used to like him) and everyone who works for the msm want. More ridicule towards alternative media it is. "Fake news" and censoring it is the point here. I've never trusted Jordan Sather anyway. I pretty much think he's planted by whoever it is as a mouth peace for the younger generation who don't do any research at all.

[David Trd1]

Sather would do himself VERY good to distance himself from them and take up with real researchers, yes indeed.


I'm not so sure that Sather's inherent personality isn't the main issue, especially after watching the comedy central clip... the guy acted like he knew EVERYTHING and yet was easily baited into talking about shape shifting reptilians and flat earth and all kinds of complete time wasters; it's like he didn't understand the game he was playing (he HAD to know it was a set up for editorial slaughter, had he acted accordingly he could have been helpful) at all.
Straight to the point.:) And this of course is exactly what those like Jim Jeffries (I used to like him) and everyone who works for the msm want. More ridicule towards alternative media it is. "Fake news" and censoring it is the point here. I've never trusted Jordan Sather anyway. I pretty much think he's planted by whoever it is as a mouth peace for the younger generation who don't do any research at all.

Interesting, does anyone know anything about his background? upbringing, what he was doing before he started his youtube and went public with his channel? Interesting connections, even family that sort of thing? Anyone apart from jordan that is.....

[RunningDeer]

Interesting, does anyone know anything about his background? upbringing, what he was doing before he started his youtube and went public with his channel? Interesting connections, even family that sort of thing? Anyone apart from jordan that is.....
From Jordan Sather’s ‘about page (https://destroyingtheillusion.com/index.php/about-jordan)’:

Who Am I?


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Hi there, I’m Jordan Sather. The goal of what I do is to act as an agent of consciousness evolution. I utilize the connective magic of the internet to share empowering information that people can use to find their own innate potential. From health, to physics, to history and more, there is a massive relearning curve that we all need to do, and I am here to assist with that.

My story beings when I was young. I was interested in the way things work. I had weather books, astronomy books, and the “how stuff works” books and would study them intensely, always curious about why things were the way they were.

Then, once I graduated high school and went to college, something wasn’t sitting right with me with what I was learning there. I had zero interest in my studies, and much more interest in playing soccer and chasing girls. During that time, I picked up a job making smoothies at a local health food store, and proceeded to drop out of college to work there.

I worked my way through the ranks into working sales and ended up managing the store. It goes to note, this wasn’t your average meat-headed-sports-nutrition and fake-supplement-sales store. They had amazing medicines, fantastic education, and my eyes were opened to deep realities about our healthcare and pharmaceutical systems that very few people at my age understood.

After working at that business and learning an amazing amount of information, circumstances saw to it that I left and continued on my path elsewhere. I then worked a couple other filler jobs, personal training and other health related endeavors, until I finally quit everything and began on the truth sharing path via the internet.

Let’s backstep this for a second to bring it full circle. During my time at the first health food store, not only was I awakening to the realities of our healthcare system, but I delved into the truth of every subject I could find. Not only health, but the corruption in our financial and political systems, the realities behind the UFO phenomenon, the lies we are told from our media and education institutions and all else. I was hungry for all the truth I could find, and I’m still hungry for it.

So upon starting my YouTube channel, I found it to be my responsibility to honorably share this information and my personal experience in how it was transforming me with the world, in order to help the world transformation itself.

We are in an evolution of consciousness on this planet. The world is changing because it HAS to. If it doesn’t, we will fail. We are in chaotic times due to these changes. I am acting as the most proficient agent I can to assist with this ascension of humanity. Help me destroy the illusion that is holding us back!



Explaining My Story & the Beginnings of DTI
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[RaiseMachine]

And now I've caught Jordan lying about the CC piece. In the 'My Thoughts' video, he made it quite clear that he thought it could go one of two ways: [@ 14:00] Timestamped:https://youtu.be/qFumeKZX_MA?t=840qFumeKZX_MAAnd then says this 4 days ago: [@ 02:50] Timestamped:https://youtu.be/6KttPC8JV3s?t=170
6KttPC8JV3sIt was only you Jordan that thought this could go any other way.

:facepalm::facepalm: (and the double-facepalm award goes to...)

[edit] Just saw this. So Jordan had at least one possibility of a thought that he knew or acutely suspected that Q is a 4chan hoax/prank/larp.RKhhg5peV-I

[RaiseMachine]

Here's the JFK Jr. guy talking about his experience.VCd5w9Swyhs

[KiwiElf]

Ever get the feeling that maybe, you're "Flogging a Dead Horse"? ;) :idea: :laugh:

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[WalterBosley]

It's a natural process for a young person to learn from their mistakes (IF they will...). I think a problem many have is that the rest of us don't want to suffer the mistakes of those young people. There is also the issue of what some 'mistakes' do to a community and that is a legitimate concern. I think everyone is aware of each other's point by now. If young Mr. Sather is distancing himself from the circus he previously embraced, which got him on the critical radar to begin with (and RIGHTLY so), then he's showing some promise. But I remind everyone that a big part of learning from one's youthful mistakes is having the older experienced and wiser folks there to proverbially and gently smack the youngster on the back of the head and point out where they're going wrong. Young people are not precious darlings who will learn the wisdom of experience in a vacuum. That's why any criticism of Sather here or anywhere else can be a valuable part of his own process. Of course, the points should be made and then he should have some opportunity and margin for adjusting, but Sather has deserved every ounce of criticism he's received here and elsewhere.

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Ever get the feeling that maybe, you're "Flogging a Dead Horse"? ;) :idea: :laugh:

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LOL Thats really hilarious!

[RaiseMachine]

To repeat a quote that at least one of you IS familiar with, (as you've used it; you know who you are):

“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”

― Harlan Ellison

Obviously didn't read the OP that well did you?


Let's put it this way, firstly I'm not a Q follower, although I have read a fair few of the 4chan posts along the way and caught some of the commentary as well by some of the "names" in the alt and social mediums that have been most prominent on this subject.

Let me state this again. I'm informed about the Q thing and have been since it started. So my opinion becomes... (drum roll) an informed one. Guess what? Just like yours is. That's right, both of us have an informed opinion on this subject; it's just that we disagree on it's very nature.


Ever get the feeling that maybe, you're "Flogging a Dead Horse"? ;) :idea: :laugh:
Oh the irony.

[KiwiElf]

To repeat a quote that at least one of you IS familiar with, (as you've used it; you know who you are):

“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”

― Harlan Ellison

Obviously didn't read the OP that well did you?


Let's put it this way, firstly I'm not a Q follower, although I have read a fair few of the 4chan posts along the way and caught some of the commentary as well by some of the "names" in the alt and social mediums that have been most prominent on this subject.

Let me state this again. I'm informed about the Q thing and have been since it started. So my opinion becomes... (drum roll) an informed one. Guess what? Just like yours is. That's right, both of us have an informed opinion on this subject; it's just that we disagree on it's very nature.


Ever get the feeling that maybe, you're "Flogging a Dead Horse"? ;) :idea: :laugh:
Oh the irony.

I read it just fine, thanks. :sun:

Define a "fair few"? All 400+ Smart Sheets? Every "Q" post & analysis to go? Daily? (I guess not well informed enough to know they moved to 8CHAN months ago). Hmmmm... seems to me there are "varying degrees of informed"?

Flying in airplanes a "fair few" times as a passenger doesn't make you a pilot.

Your requote of mine is also completely out of context. How about you quote my whole post? :idea:.

Carry on. :Angel: ;)

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[ichingcarpenter]

Jordan Sather - Selling The Illusion (The Cosmic Con - Ep 3)



In this video we meet Jordan Sather, self-described Truth Warrior, Spiritual Gangsta and Digital Soldier.
Episode one is on Corey Goode, Episode 2 is on David Wilcock. Professionally done each are worth your time


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[ExomatrixTV]

The Corey Goode Accountability Project Episode 6 - Jordan Sather:

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[TargeT]

pretty sure sather is either not an individual (just following the attention) or a sociopath... i mean... 50/50

[WeAllMustLearnToNavigate]

TargeT I think Sather started off very well -- but my feeling is he was lead astray. (it might seem like an odd thing to say but intuitively I actually trace it back to the time he did ayahuasca.) The piece by Dark Journalist suggest that there's some group (with some shadey characters) which he became associated with (possibly Corey was also involved with that group I can't remember). Anyway I think they gave Sather a feeling of having "made it" -- but he was perhaps influenced by them.

[Bill Ryan]

pretty sure Sather is either not an individual (just following the attention) or a sociopath... i mean... 50/50A reminder of some of the stuff that Jordan Sather was directly responsible for, but never once acknowledged or offered a single apology for.

What he did was hateful, spiteful, vindictive and sociopathic. (And also completely inaccurate.) He did his very best to break and ruin Joe, and he succeeded.

Joe, always a wonderful, heart-centered man, ended up losing his home, his garden, and his job.

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Talking to Matthew Mournian, who appears to know or understand little of everything that happened, Sather's pretense of not properly remembering Joe from the Carolinas was feeble. ("The Carolinas guy", he told Matthew, as if he couldn't quite recall who Joe was.)

Say his name, Sather.

Somehow, the karmic wheel will turn on Jordan. It's just a matter of time, and it's absolutely gonna happen. I'm not in any way vindictive myself, but when that happens I will do nothing to stop it.

[Did You See Them]

"Joe, always a wonderful, heart-centered man, ended up losing his home, his garden, and his job."

What !! - I knew he was Doxed ... but I must have missed this !!!

[Bill Ryan]

"Joe, always a wonderful, heart-centered man, ended up losing his home, his garden, and his job."

What !! - I knew he was Doxed ... but I must have missed this !!!I don't know exactly what happened, or how. But Corey Goode and Jordan Sather's vitriolic, vengeful, targeted campaign broke his life.

They're never going to be gifted with my forgiveness for that. That karmic burden will stay with them both (and with others, too) — until it's all balanced out.

[Did You See Them]

"Joe, always a wonderful, heart-centered man, ended up losing his home, his garden, and his job."

What !! - I knew he was Doxed ... but I must have missed this !!!I don't know exactly what happened, or how. But Corey Goode and Jordan Sather's vitriolic, vengeful, targeted campaign broke his life.

They're never going to be gifted with my forgiveness for that. That karmic burden will stay with them both (and with others, too) — until it's all balanced out.

Thanks Bill.
I'm not going to say anything.
Its Christmas Day and I'm not going to let things outside of my control bring me down.
Suffice to say I hope that Karmic wheel turns into a mill stone and grinds them all to chicken feed !
Merry Christmas everyone :Party:

[raregem]

"Joe, always a wonderful, heart-centered man, ended up losing his home, his garden, and his job."

What !! - I knew he was Doxed ... but I must have missed this !!!I don't know exactly what happened, or how. But Corey Goode and Jordan Sather's vitriolic, vengeful, targeted campaign broke his life.

They're never going to be gifted with my forgiveness for that. That karmic burden will stay with them both (and with others, too) — until it's all balanced out.

I missed this info about Joe losing his home, garden and job. Joe the teacher of nature. UNREAL.
Here I was finally going to listen to J. Sather after the last video posted on youtube by FACommittee. I am having difficulty discerning the fraud and under handedness. I really trust Joe though and recently began looking at Sather as possibly trustworthy. Since Jay Weidner had come forward, owned up to his part and seemed sincere in his redemption I thought others might be there, too. Anyway......................................

[Kryztian]

A reminder of some of the stuff that Jordan Sather was directly responsible for, but never once acknowledged or offered a single apology for.


And he was still doing just that on Christmas day.

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When they made Corey, they didn't break the mold. Jordan Sather came from that mold too.

[Kryztian]

So Sather was confronted on Facebook about his Tweet to the Thomas Crown page and Youtube video and he replied with this "explanation."


https://i.imgur.com/XwSg4O9.jpg

If Sather can not apologize, than he should just disappear from the scene forever. The more he talks, the more he reveals what a heartless, spineless entity he is.

[RunningDeer]

Jordan Sather doesn’t create. He mimics. He copies. I suspect that’s why he’s so intimated by Joe from Carolina. Joe is a creator. A healer. Unlike Sather, Joe genuinely cares for humanity.

Jordan Sather crashed and burned even before his two YouTube channels were taken down. It wouldn’t surprise me that the only reason why he’s back on the scene is to reinvent himself and push his new gig called “Conscious Strength”. One product has ‘quote’ a “magical combination”. (see below)

He has a website and YouTube channel with 572 subscribers. There’s only one two month old video with a little over 796 views.

From his website:



COPYRIGHT © 2019 CONSCIOUS STRENGTH †These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.




It All Starts With Health




Conscious Strength founder, Jordan Sather, has been involved in the holistic health field since 2011. Jordan is best known for his “woke” alternative media brand, Destroying the Illusion, having amassed over 200k followers in just a few short years. Through the success of Destroying the Illusion, Jordan was finally able to return to his health industry roots and launch his own wellness brand — Conscious Strength!

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[RunningDeer]

These are a couple of my posts from November, 2018. They demonstrate Jordan Sather's conniving personality. We left out Joe from Carolina’s name on the thread. We called him the Health Care Worker. Jordan tweeted out Joe's real name and lied about him having a criminal record. When in reality, I found the 75 year old man with the same name that had the criminal record. I blocked out the name and address on the screen shots to protect Joe and man.

Post from November 9, 2018 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105004-Dark-Journalist-and-Clif-High-Alt-Media-Folks-Doxxed&p=1258939&viewfull=1#post1258939)

Jordan Sather may have deleted his tweet, but it’s out there. He also added false information. If he took the time to read, he’d see the records are of a 75 year old man. Or did he but chose to ignore that fact those facts?


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Post from November 8, 2018 (Dark Journalist and Clif High: Alt Media Folks Doxxed - https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105004-Dark-Journalist-and-Clif-High-Alt-Media-Folks-Doxxed&p=1258798&viewfull=1#post1258798)

A couple of well known alt media folks have been doxxed over the last couple of days.
Jordan Sather has over 67,000 followers. He chose to retweet the dox info on our friend, the Health Care Worker who counsels cancer patients.
C.W. Chanter and his Dad who is in his late 80's got doxed. (photo here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105004-Dark-Journalist-and-Clif-High-Alt-Media-Folks-Doxxed&p=1258880&viewfull=1#post1258880))


From Dark Journalist twitter page (https://twitter.com/darkjournalist?lang=en).



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