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Breaking news, from the guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/may/19/swedish-prosecutors-drop-julian-assange-investigation
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"Swedish prosecutors are to drop a preliminary investigation into an allegation of rape against the WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, bringing to an end a seven-year legal standoff.
“Chief prosecutor Marianne Ny has today decided to discontinue the preliminary investigation regarding suspected rape concerning Julian Assange,” the prosecutor’s office said in a statement.
Assange, 45, has lived in the Ecuadorian embassy in London since 2012, after taking refuge there to avoid extradition to Sweden over the allegation of rape, which he denies.
He has refused to travel to Stockholm, saying he fears further extradition to the US over WikiLeaks’ release of 500,000 secret military files on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Shortly after the announcement, an image of Assange smiling was posted to his Twitter account. "
betoobig
19th May 2017, 09:39
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/may/19/swedish-prosecutors-drop-julian-assange-investigation
Swedish prosecutors drop Julian Assange rape investigation
Sweden’s director of public prosecution says she has decided to discontinue the investigation into WikiLeaks founder
(more in the link)
Much love
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sunwings
19th May 2017, 10:12
Last Week Chelsea Manning.
Now Assange looks likely to walk free.
Pause for thought indeed.
Innocent Warrior
19th May 2017, 11:08
From WikiLeaks -
UK states it will arrest Assange regardless & refuses to confirm or deny whether it has already received an extradition request from the US.
Source (https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/865506318966075393).
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Background on Julian Assange custody - Justice for Assange (https://justice4assange.com)
norman
19th May 2017, 12:29
Truth bombing Nationhood isn't popular with Trumpism, especially if it's America getting bombed. Assange had better either stay put or ask a favor of his higher-ups.
I'm sorry if my view irritates his dedicated fans, but that's just how I see it. After all these years, I get dizzy trying to see it any other way.
Kryztian
19th May 2017, 12:54
if Assange can get out of the embassy and get to a nation that is a safe haven, where he doesn't have to worry about being extradited to the U.S., that allows more attention to be focused on Edward Snowden.
I also have to wonder if Chelsea Manning will be seen in the media? While I am glad for her that she is able to pursue her gender choice, I am afraid this will be a distraction for the larger issue that she is a whistleblower, one who has shown us that the U.S. Army is willing to kill journalists, and then try to destroy someone else's life for not covering up this fact.
Seems that there is some justice in the world, after all.
Chester
19th May 2017, 14:30
if Assange can get out of the embassy and get to a nation that is a safe haven, where he doesn't have to worry about being extradited to the U.S., that allows more attention to be focused on Edward Snowden.
I also have to wonder if Chelsea Manning will be seen in the media? While I am glad for her that she is able to pursue her gender choice, I am afraid this will be a distraction for the larger issue that she is a whistleblower, one who has shown us that the U.S. Army is willing to kill journalists, and then try to destroy someone else's life for not covering up this fact.
Was Manning released freely? Or is Manning on some sort of parole? That may make a difference as to what Manning can communicate about.
ScorpION
19th May 2017, 15:33
Although I think this is great news!!! I think it was a tactic on Obama's behalf to put him in better with the people for his next move...stayed tuned..john
Clear Light
19th May 2017, 18:01
From WikiLeaks -
UK states it will arrest Assange regardless & refuses to confirm or deny whether it has already received an extradition request from the US.
Source (https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/865506318966075393).
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Background on Julian Assange custody - Justice for Assange (https://justice4assange.com)
Although there's this "straight from the horse's mouth" (so-to-speak) :
Metropolitan Police : Statement on Julian Assange (http://news.met.police.uk/news/statement-on-julian-assange-242877)
Following today's decision by the Director of Public Prosecution, Ms Marianne Ny, in relation to the Swedish authorities investigation into Julian Assange the Metropolitan Police Service's position is:
Westminster Magistrates' Court issued a warrant for the arrest of Julian Assange following him failing to surrender to the court on the 29 June 2012. The Metropolitan Police Service is obliged to execute that warrant should he leave the Embassy.
Whilst Mr Assange was wanted on a European Arrest Warrant (EAW) for an extremely serious offence, the MPS response reflected the serious nature of that crime. Now that the situation has changed and the Swedish authorities have discontinued their investigation into that matter, Mr Assange remains wanted for a much less serious offence. The MPS will provide a level of resourcing which is proportionate to that offence.
The MPS will not comment further on the operational plan.
The priority for the MPS must continue to be arresting those who are currently wanted in the Capital in connection with serious violent or sexual offences for the protection of Londoners.
Kryztian
19th May 2017, 18:09
Was Manning released freely? Or is Manning on some sort of parole? That may make a difference as to what Manning can communicate about.
Manning received a pardon from Obama, or more correctly, it is a "commuted sentence". I guess parole could be involved and assuming there was a National Security clearance, there could be issue there too. I imagine she will be able to talk, but better choose her words wisely.
Just found this quote from her which is recent, but came through the ACLU while she was still in prison:
"For the first time, I can see a future for myself as Chelsea," Manning said. "I can imagine surviving and living as the person who I am and can finally be in the outside world."
Nice to hear that she is hopeful.
Daughter of Time
19th May 2017, 18:22
While this is seemingly good news, and it is good news since he didn't rape anyone, I still fear for his life, perhaps now more than ever.
He still faces an arrest warrant in the U. K. and possible extradition to the U. S. Could this be a ploy to release him from the Embassy and make him fall into a trap?
I hope he stays put at the embassy for now. He's a very smart man and I have to trust that he'll know what to do. He also has friends in high places who will hopefully inform him if they should have any information that would be helpful.
I keep him in my prayers, and I'm not even religious. I pray to the benevolent universe and divine source for justice and resolution for all who deserve it - right now for Assange.
With love,
Daughter of Time
Conde
19th May 2017, 19:18
Ecuador government asks UK to give Assange safe passage
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ecuador-government-asks-uk-assange-144136533.html
Kryztian
19th May 2017, 19:38
Assange's words to the public today:
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TargeT
19th May 2017, 21:15
so now he can leave the embassy and commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head twice?
I still dunno how this guy is breathing.... if the DNC got to Seth R. that fast and seemingly had him killed in the hospital...
wtf is with assange? I highly doubt the DNC has more pull than CIA/FBI/NSA/ETC
Is he cosplaying steam punk inthat video??
Innocent Warrior
19th May 2017, 21:41
Seems that there is some justice in the world, after all.
There is but often it is fought for long and hard by people coming together and supporting it. It takes diligence and unity, I hope people see this and that the systems of control are not unbeatable or as powerful as they would like us to believe.
Innocent Warrior
19th May 2017, 21:49
Truth bombing Nationhood isn't popular with Trumpism, especially if it's America getting bombed. Assange had better either stay put or ask a favor of his higher-ups.
I'm sorry if my view irritates his dedicated fans, but that's just how I see it. After all these years, I get dizzy trying to see it any other way.
Norman, it's not Corey, it's Julian Assange, Assange doesn't have fans, he has supporters. How you see it doesn't irritate me but I will also state the truth as I see it and there are actually many people who share your view and I thank you for the opportunity to respond, in my own way, to that view at times. Peace.
justntime2learn
19th May 2017, 23:05
Seems that there is some justice in the world, after all.
There is but often it is fought for long and hard by people coming together and supporting it. It takes diligence and unity, I hope people see this and that the systems of control are not unbeatable or as powerful as they would like us to believe.
"I'm A Believer"
Many of us have seen threads sending protection to Julian.
Could they be working?
"From darkness will come light" ~ Black Sabbath
http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-we-must-believe-in-ourselves-or-no-one-will-believe-in-us-rosalyn-sussman-yalow-126-30-08.jpg
Daughter of Time
20th May 2017, 00:20
so now he can leave the embassy and commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head twice?
I still dunno how this guy is breathing.... if the DNC got to Seth R. that fast and seemingly had him killed in the hospital...
wtf is with assange? I highly doubt the DNC has more pull than CIA/FBI/NSA/ETC
Is he cosplaying steam punk inthat video??
Killing Seth Rich must have seemed like a really good idea at the time - one that they actually might have gotten away with since no one really knew who he was until he died and Wikileaks brought attention to it.
I have also wondered how come Julian is still alive. If they truly wanted him dead, they could have found a way by now. But... everyone knows who Julian Assange is and killing him would make him a martyr and it wouldn't stop the leaks. As a matter of fact, if Assange were to die, every single one of their dirty secrets would be published by Wikileaks and this is where his power truly resides because "they" don't know how many leaks are waiting to be published, nor about what, nor on whom. What they do know is that his death would ascertain that whatever Wikileaks has would immediately be published.
TPTB have met their nemesis and he holds the explosives over their heads, which they cannot control except by threats, which haven't worked so far.
onawah
20th May 2017, 00:46
There are others (Bob Dean, for example) who seem to have charmed lives, but I think they are getting a kind of protection that even the cabal can't get around.
Perhaps at times being martyred is more favorable to the cause and there is a soul agreement to go through with that, and other times surviving has more of an impact.
There is always more to this than meets the eye--it's not all a third dimensional issue.
Innocent Warrior
20th May 2017, 01:53
As a matter of fact, if Assange were to die, every single one of their dirty secrets would be published by Wikileaks and this is where his power truly resides because "they" don't know how many leaks are waiting to be published, nor about what, nor on whom. What they do know is that his death would ascertain that whatever Wikileaks has would immediately be published.
Hi Daughter of Time,
What they definitely do know is that it would be an enormous amount of information. This was tweeted by WikiLeaks on Aug 17, 2013 -
WikiLeaks releases encrypted versions of upcoming publication data ("insurance") from time to time to nullify attempts at prior restraint.
Tweet (https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/368833659601551360).
That is referring to their FB post on Aug 16, 2013 -
Please mirror:
WikiLeaks insurance 20130815-A: 3.6Gb http://wlstorage.net/…/wlinsurance-20130815-A.aes256.torrent
B: 49Gb http://wlstorage.net/…/wlinsurance-20130815-B.aes256.torrent
C: 349GB http://wlstorage.net/…/wlinsurance-20130815-C.aes256.torrent
FB post (https://www.facebook.com/wikileaks/posts/561645433870573).
I also downloaded an earlier "insurance file" about eight or nine years ago, I still have it but don't know where to find that online now, it was stated at the time that that particular file was in case Assange was killed.
From the MIT Technology Review article, Everything You Need to Know About Wikileaks (https://www.technologyreview.com/s/421949/everything-you-need-to-know-about-wikileaks/) (2010) -
Are the documents hosted anywhere else on the Internet? What is the “insurance” file?
In late July 2010, Wikileaks is said to have posted to its Afghan War Logs site, and to a torrent site an encrypted file with “insurance” in the name. The file, which apparently can still be found on various peer-to-peer networks, is 1.4 gigabytes and is encrypted with AES256, a very strong encryption standard which would make it virtually impossible to open without the password. What is in the insurance file is not known. It has been speculated that it contains the unredacted cables provided by the original source(s), as well as other, previously unreleased information held by Wikileaks. There is further speculation, which has been indirectly boosted by Julian Assange, that the key to the file will be distributed in the event of either the death of Assange or the destruction of Wikileaks as a functioning organization. However, none of these things is known. All that is known for sure is that it’s a really big file with heavy encryption that’s already in a number of people’s hands and floating around for others to get.
So those secrets have already been delivered, all over the world, virtually impossible to decrypt without the PW and if they kill Assange we'll all be given the keys to those secrets.
so now he can leave the embassy and commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head twice?
I still dunno how this guy is breathing.... if the DNC got to Seth R. that fast and seemingly had him killed in the hospital...
wtf is with assange? I highly doubt the DNC has more pull than CIA/FBI/NSA/ETC
Is he cosplaying steam punk inthat video??
Killing Seth Rich must have seemed like a really good idea at the time - one that they actually might have gotten away with since no one really knew who he was until he died and Wikileaks brought attention to it.
I have also wondered how come Julian is still alive. If they truly wanted him dead, they could have found a way by now. But... everyone knows who Julian Assange is and killing him would make him a martyr and it wouldn't stop the leaks. As a matter of fact, if Assange were to die, every single one of their dirty secrets would be published by Wikileaks and this is where his power truly resides because "they" don't know how many leaks are waiting to be published, nor about what, nor on whom. What they do know is that his death would ascertain that whatever Wikileaks has would immediately be published.
TPTB have met their nemesis and he holds the explosives over their heads, which they cannot control except by threats, which haven't worked so far.
they have already killed many people more popular than Julian. Nothing happened. Leaks? where? their very own media?
bobme
20th May 2017, 04:35
I am only inquisitive here. What I am not certain about is why Assange is being granted immunity in an embassy, of an ally to the U.S., or U.N. ? Thank you.
Innocent Warrior
20th May 2017, 05:46
More on the insurance file I mentioned in my previous post (news on it at the time and importance of it to intel) -
From Fox News -
WikiLeaks Has No Plans to Release 'Insurance' File... For Now (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/07/wikileaks-plans-release-insurance-file.html) (2010)
From WikiLeaks' "The Global Intelligence Files" publication (Stratfor emails, emphasis mine) -
Re: WATCH ITEM- WikiLeaks 'Insurance File'
Founder needs to be water boarded until he gives us the code.
scott stewart wrote:
>
> Remember what I said this morning about blow-back to them if they
> release names of innocent people.
>
> *From:* analysts-bounces@stratfor.com
> [mailto:analysts-bounces@stratfor.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Noonan
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 07, 2010 3:16 PM
> *To:* Analyst List
> *Cc:* watchofficer
> *Subject:* Re: WATCH ITEM- WikiLeaks 'Insurance File'
>
> Though actually now I'm seeing a lot of rhetoric that the events so
> far have not reached the level for Wikileaks to release this file. Was
> it a bluff?
>
> LONDON -- Even though its founder is under arrest, WikiLeaks says it
> has no plans, for now, to release the code that would reveal some of
> its most important documents.
>
> The code is an "insurance
> <http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/07/wikileaks-plans-release-insurance-file/>"
> file that WikiLeaks says has been given to some of its supporters in
> case of an emergency. It's a key to a heavily encrypted version of the
> documents.
>
> A spokesman says it will only be used if "grave matters" take place
> involving WikiLeaks staff. But he didn't elaborate on what those might be.
> Read more:
> http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/07/wikileaks-plans-release-insurance-file/#ixzz17SVW0dZn
>
> Assange:
> "The Cable Gate archive has been spread, along with significant
> material from the US and other countries to over 100,000 people in
> encrypted form," he said in the online forum. "If something happens to
> us, the key parts will be released automatically. Further, the Cable
> Gate archives is in the hands of multiple news organizations.”
> http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2010/1207/Will-WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange-now-arrested-take-the-nuclear-option
>
>
> On 12/7/10 1:49 PM, Sean Noonan wrote:
>
> Assange was denied bail this morning. They previously threatened to
> release the insurance file if their site was shut down or if Assange
> was arrested/"persecuted." Now both have happened.
>
> Please watch for them to release it.
>
> --
>
> Sean Noonan
>
> Tactical Analyst
>
> Office: +1 512-279-9479
>
> Mobile: +1 512-758-5967
>
> Strategic Forecasting, Inc.
>
> www.stratfor.com <http://www.stratfor.com>
>
> --
>
> Sean Noonan
>
> Tactical Analyst
>
> Office: +1 512-279-9479
>
> Mobile: +1 512-758-5967
>
> Strategic Forecasting, Inc.
>
> www.stratfor.com <http://www.stratfor.com>
>
Source (https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/emailid/1058488).
To add a little context, people were expecting the PW to be released at the time because the accompanying statement said it would also be released if Assange was arrested. It was suggested it may be a bluff in the email because the PW wasn't released when Assange was arrested.
From the L'Espresso article, "We have to torture Assange (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fespresso.repubblica.it%2Fdettaglio%2Fdobbiamo-torturare-assange-%2F2175422)" -
On the day when Assange is arrested, Stratfor's boss himself writes: "The founder [of WikiLeaks] must be subject to waterboarding until he gives us the code." The code is the password of the insurance file. Julian Assange and WikiLeaks have argued on several occasions that they have broadcasted a web of encrypted files that anyone can download and which would contain extremely hot documents. In the event of something very serious to Assange or his team, the password would be released and anyone could have access to the information. The insurance files were released for the first time when former Assange spokesman Daniel Domscheit Berg was still a member of WikiLeaks.
Domscheit-Berg, who left fierce controversy, publishing much insider information on WikiLeaks, to date, has not removed the history of insurance files. If it had been a bluff, he would probably have done it, considering his disputed polemics against Assange.
Information about an indictment against Assange from the Stratfor emails (same article) -
Stratfor in January 2011 writes: "We have an act of indictment against Assange covered by secret investigation. This information should not be published." The mail is placed in the "secure list", where the most delicate messages are being addressed and issues that are not being published in Stratfor newsletters, to which many journalists from around the world are subscribed. So are the United States ready to arrest and process Julian Assange ? The message is a Stratfor boss who has top-level sources in the intelligence and FBI world.
Is it plausible that this act of indictment, after more than a year, has not yet been made public? Yes, it is plausible, because the indictments (act of incrimination) depending on the complexity of the investigation may remain covered by secret investigation for years. The US has never made a secret to investigate Assange and to assess the possibility of incriminating him for espionage. At the same time, you do not see the way in which the United States may incriminate Assange for espionage, without even punishing all the newspapers working with him on the release of secret documents.
Innocent Warrior
20th May 2017, 06:33
I am only inquisitive here. What I am not certain about is why Assange is being granted immunity in an embassy, of an ally to the U.S., or U.N. ? Thank you.
Hi bobme, this interview with Ecuador's president, Rafael Correa, may help in answering your question.
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LEGOWehrmacht
20th May 2017, 10:57
Do we all believe Julian A is still alive and kicking..??
He doesn't show himself at the window of his Embassy room when he knows supporters are concerned. It's always a video interview.
I know it's a stretch to think he might be CGI'd in to animation but somethings off. Admittedly I am not in possession of all the facts, but it feels wrong to me, anyone agree?
Best,
TargeT
20th May 2017, 12:21
TPTB have met their nemesis and he holds the explosives over their heads, which they cannot control except by threats, which haven't worked so far.
I really see the situation as completely opposite.
Just look at the outcome of wiki leaks, what actually has happened because of them? Answering that question will tell you how dangerous he is to "TPTB".
I am only inquisitive here. What I am not certain about is why Assange is being granted immunity in an embassy, of an ally to the U.S., or U.N. ? Thank you.
Lots of very interesting questions surrounding this situation.
Bill Ryan
20th May 2017, 13:35
From a local Ecuador English language expat newsletter, yesterday (19 May):
https://cuencahighlife.com/ecuador-expects-safe-passage-julian-assange-sweden-drops-charges
Ecuador expects ‘safe passage’ for Julian Assange after Sweden drops charges
The government of Ecuador on Friday said WikiLeaks’ founder Julian Assange should be granted safe passage to the South American nation after Swedish authorities dropped their investigation of him.
https://www.cuencahighlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chl-assange-free.jpg
Julian Assange after announcement. (Getty Images)
Assange has been holed up in Ecuador’s London embassy for five years avoiding extradition to Sweden where he was wanted for questioning on allegations of sexual assault. Prosecutors eventually interviewed him at the embassy in November. Sweden dropped the investigation on Friday.
In a series of tweets, Ecuador Foreign Minister Guillaume Long questioned the delays.
“Ecuador regrets that it took Swedish Prosecutor more than four years to carry out this interview. This was a wholly unnecessary delay,” Long wrote. “The European arrest warrant no longer holds. The UK must now grant safe passage to Mr. Julian Assange.”
British police, however, say Assange is still facing arrest if he leaves the compound. The Westminster Magistrates’ Court issued a warrant for Assange’s arrest following his failure to surrender in June 2012, and London police say they are obliged to execute that warrant should he leave the embassy.
The warrant is based on the Swedish charges, however, so it is uncertain if it would remain valid if challenged in court. Ecuador says it will discuss the matter with British authorities in the coming days.
Assange took to Twitter to say that he’d been sequestered without charges “while my children grew up and my name was slandered. I do not forgive or forget.”
Assange has long feared that the Swedish allegations were a ploy to have him extradited to the United States for WikiLeaks’ role in publishing classified documents. U.S. authorities, however, have never acknowledged he might be facing charges.
While WikiLeaks’ role in the U.S. elections (the site published the emails from Hillary Clinton’s server) was worldwide news, Assange was also an issue in Ecuador’s April presidential election.
Opposition candidate Guillermo Lasso, who lost the race, had said he would evict Assange from the embassy.
Ruling party candidate Lenín Moreno, however, said he will follow the policy of President Rafael Correa and let Assange fight the charges. Moreno will be sworn in as president next week.
Assange says he looks forward to moving to Ecuador.
Something that's been bubbling away in the background of my awareness for a while, and which has properly come to me since yesterday is this: how come Assange hasn't escaped the embassy already, assuming he didn't know the investigation would be dropped?
I've come up with 3 possibilities why.
1- it might have caused the establishment to be so angry that they would have to kill him, to save face.
2- if he did get to Ecuador, then the country itself would have possibly faced a ****storm.
3- he was more effective as being seen as a suffering martyr for the cause in prison.
It surely couldn't be that hard to organise an escape (think sewers or laundry basket even, fake identity etc.).
Just some wonderings that I wanted to share.
Daughter of Time
20th May 2017, 17:43
TPTB have met their nemesis and he holds the explosives over their heads, which they cannot control except by threats, which haven't worked so far.
I really see the situation as completely opposite.
Just look at the outcome of wiki leaks, what actually has happened because of them? Answering that question will tell you how dangerous he is to "TPTB".
I am only inquisitive here. What I am not certain about is why Assange is being granted immunity in an embassy, of an ally to the U.S., or U.N. ? Thank you.
Lots of very interesting questions surrounding this situation.
Slight but big misunderstanding here.
What I meant is that TPTB have no control over Julian and Wikileaks. While they have threatened Julian's life and suggested he should be assassinated, the leaks have not stopped so their threats to Julian have not worked.
So, we are in agreement here, it seems to me.
norman
20th May 2017, 18:25
TPTB have met their nemesis and he holds the explosives over their heads, which they cannot control except by threats, which haven't worked so far.
I really see the situation as completely opposite.
Just look at the outcome of wiki leaks, what actually has happened because of them? Answering that question will tell you how dangerous he is to "TPTB".
I am only inquisitive here. What I am not certain about is why Assange is being granted immunity in an embassy, of an ally to the U.S., or U.N. ? Thank you.
Lots of very interesting questions surrounding this situation.
Slight but big misunderstanding here.
What I meant is that TPTB have no control over Julian and Wikileaks. While they have threatened Julian's life and suggested he should be assassinated, the leaks have not stopped so their threats to Julian have not worked.
So, we are in agreement here, it seems to me.
If you are referring to Hilary Clinton airing a question with her superior tacticians "Can't we just drone this guy?", she's not the Powers That Be.
Julian Assange does not leak anything that hurts the PTP or their long term goals, unless we want to have a discussion about the Podesta/DNC emails and the Trump victory, that may not actually turn out to hurt them but rather launch their new and least anticipated tactical package of computer modelled rehashes of their struggling agenda.
While there may be people within the Wikileaks operations who don't realise it, Julian Assange is actually only clobbering the very obstacles to the ushering in of a New World Order. Countries, legal and sovereign countries. Every Wikileak smashes another chunk off one or other country, usually America, which just happens to be the biggy.
TargeT
20th May 2017, 19:20
Slight but big misunderstanding here.
What I meant is that TPTB have no control over Julian and Wikileaks. While they have threatened Julian's life and suggested he should be assassinated, the leaks have not stopped so their threats to Julian have not worked.
So, we are in agreement here, it seems to me.
My supposition is that he is controlled opposition and this all is theater drama for the unwashed masses.
I could build a very strong case that he is not what he seems simply based on the outcome of his leaks, absolutely nothing happens except "us plebs" are now more and more aware of how oppressive the situation we live in is.. that's the only real outcome of wikileaks.
Is there another outcome that I am missing? His situation does NOT encourage whistle blowing ( 7 years of arrest with no conviction?) his leaks cause no arrests, no policy changes, not even a conversation in washington based on them (same with snowden leaks) if you look at it objectively (toss all that emotion and archetype thinking out) I see a vastly different picture than the commonly held one.
So threats haven't worked because they are just part of the drama.
I could be wrong, at this point I don't even hope I'm wrong, because if all a whistleblower of his supposed calibur can do is scare people, not effect any actual change; then what's the point of whistle blowing / leaking?
Seth R's leak produced a lawsuit against the DNC (https://www.rt.com/usa/388882-dnc-lawsuit-media-blackout/)... THAT is a real leak IMO.... and there's ZERO (media) COVERAGE.. that's how the deep state works, they only cover (with media) what they WANT us to know about...
far too many red flags for me here.
norman
20th May 2017, 19:46
. . . far too many red flags for me here.
TargeT, as you are in no position to know this, really, I'll inform you that the domestic BBC channel(s) practices it's "adoration of the rouge" meme on Assange. To anyone familiar with the BBC, that's almost all the red flag you'd need, even if you weren't a "conspiracy theorist" with self education mileage behind you.
bobme
20th May 2017, 23:04
I am only inquisitive here. What I am not certain about is why Assange is being granted immunity in an embassy, of an ally to the U.S., or U.N. ? Thank you.
Hi bobme, this interview with Ecuador's president, Rafael Correa, may help in answering your question.
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Thank you Rachel. I still do not understand why the controlers allow this to be published anywhere, if that is their
main sense of concern. It strikes me as being low priority concern. He is in a cage, so to say, so what can he do to get out of it? I do not think Julian is in a position of controlling much in the way of leverage, on anybody. I am not saying he is a liar at all. I see much truth in what he says. The internet is federally controlled here in the states. So if info comes in, or goes out, what is the agenda behind the allowing of the info?
Innocent Warrior
21st May 2017, 01:38
@bobme You're welcome. I could probably think of a few ideas but I don't know enough about that to offer a definitive answer.
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From The Intercept, it covers relevant recent events and Assange's current legal predicament - Sweden Withdraws Arrest Warrant for Julian Assange, but He Still Faces Serious Legal Jeopardy (https://theintercept.com/2017/05/19/sweden-withdraws-arrest-warrant-for-julian-assange-but-he-still-faces-serious-legal-jeopardy/) (May 19, 2017)
From RT -
A collection of interviews responding to the investigation being dropped - Assange case proves 'UK an American vassal state' that can't stop extraditions (https://www.rt.com/op-edge/388973-julian-assange-us-uk/) (May 19, 2017)
Interview with Ecuadorian Foreign Minister - Assange case always had disturbing political background – Ecuadorian FM to RT (https://www.rt.com/news/389070-assange-case-political-ecuador/) (May 20, 2017)
News on calling for safe passage for Assange -
Australia govt needs to help Assange: lawyer (http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2017/05/20/assange-welcomes-rape-claim-decision.html?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=59202c3e04d3012c522adcb0&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter) (May 20, 2017)
Julian Assange's mother calls on Australian Prime Minister to help secure his release (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/julian-assange-latest-mother-australian-prime-minister-malcolm-turnbull-release-ecuador-christine-a7746166.html) (May 20, 2017)
Bill Ryan
21st May 2017, 01:44
So if info comes in, or goes out, what is the agenda behind the allowing of the info?
Well, Assange isn't acting alone. He has a team out there, behind him, administering Wikileaks. And the authorities know they have unreleased material, even if they don't know what it is.
Basically, Wikileaks is holding the agencies to ransom, and so the legal case was the only bona fide reason they had for extraditing Assange. Meanwhile, Ecuador was protecting Assange, not imprisoning him. He was safe there... there was no motivation for him to 'escape'.
bobme
21st May 2017, 02:23
I do not know what just happened. I was replying to Bills post, and when I was Re-reading my reply, Everything erased from my computer sceen. Sorry. I will try again. I understand Julian has a team behind him, looking out for him. But, what team is doing the editing , or brodcasting of these interviews, or releases of info to the public?
Bill Ryan
21st May 2017, 12:57
what team is doing the editing, or broadcasting of these interviews, or releases of info to the public?
https://wikileaks.org/What-is-Wikileaks.html
"WikiLeaks has more than one hundred other staff across the Americas, Africa, Eurasia and the Asia Pacific."
Innocent Warrior
21st May 2017, 14:09
Excerpt from John Pilger's article, GETTING JULIAN ASSANGE: THE UNTOLD STORY (http://johnpilger.com/articles/getting-julian-assange-the-untold-story) (May 20, 2017)
Assange's choice was stark: extradition to a country that had refused to say whether or not it would send him on to the US, or to seek what seemed his last opportunity for refuge and safety.
Supported by most of Latin America, the government of tiny Ecuador granted him refugee status on the basis of documented evidence that he faced the prospect of cruel and unusual punishment in the US; that this threat violated his basic human rights; and that his own government in Australia had abandoned him and colluded with Washington.
The Labor government of the then prime minister, Julia Gillard, had even threatened to take away his Australian passport - until it was pointed out to her that this would be unlawful.
The renowned human rights lawyer, Gareth Peirce, who represents Assange in London, wrote to the then Australian foreign minister, Kevin Rudd: "Given the extent of the public discussion, frequently on the basis of entirely false assumptions... it is very hard to attempt to preserve for him any presumption of innocence. Mr. Assange has now hanging over him not one but two Damocles swords, of potential extradition to two different jurisdictions in turn for two different alleged crimes, neither of which are crimes in his own country, and that his personal safety has become at risk in circumstances that are highly politically charged."
It was not until she contacted the Australian High Commission in London that Peirce received a response, which answered none of the pressing points she raised. In a meeting I attended with her, the Australian Consul-General, Ken Pascoe, made the astonishing claim that he knew "only what I read in the newspapers" about the details of the case.
In 2011, in Sydney, I spent several hours with a conservative Member of Australia's Federal Parliament, Malcolm Turnbull. We discussed the threats to Assange and their wider implications for freedom of speech and justice, and why Australia was obliged to stand by him. Turnbull then had a reputation as a free speech advocate. He is now the Prime Minister of Australia.
I gave him Gareth Peirce's letter about the threat to Assange's rights and life. He said the situation was clearly appalling and promised to take it up with the Gillard government. Only his silence followed.
For almost seven years, this epic miscarriage of justice has been drowned in a vituperative campaign against the WikiLeaks founder. There are few precedents. Deeply personal, petty, vicious and inhuman attacks have been aimed at a man not charged with any crime yet subjected to treatment not even meted out to a defendant facing extradition on a charge of murdering his wife. That the US threat to Assange was a threat to all journalists, and to the principle of free speech, was lost in the sordid and the ambitious. I would call it anti-journalism.
Books were published, movie deals struck and media careers launched or kick-started on the back of WikiLeaks and an assumption that attacking Assange was fair game and he was too poor to sue. People have made money, often big money, while WikiLeaks has struggled to survive.
The previous editor of the Guardian, Alan Rusbridger, called the WikiLeaks disclosures, which his newspaper published, "one of the greatest journalistic scoops of the last 30 years". Yet no attempt was made to protect the Guardian's provider and source. Instead, the "scoop" became part of a marketing plan to raise the newspaper's cover price.
With not a penny going to Assange or to WikiLeaks, a hyped Guardian book led to a lucrative Hollywood movie. The book's authors, Luke Harding and David Leigh, gratuitously described Assange as a "damaged personality" and "callous". They also revealed the secret password he had given the paper in confidence, which was designed to protect a digital file containing the US embassy cables. With Assange now trapped in the Ecuadorean embassy, Harding, standing among the police outside, gloated on his blog that "Scotland Yard may get the last laugh".
Journalism students might well study this period to understand the most ubiquitous source of "fake news" - as from within a media self-ordained with a false respectability and as an extension of the authority and power it courts and protects.
The presumption of innocence was not a consideration in Kirsty Wark's memorable live-on-air interrogation in 2010. "Why don't you just apologise to the women?" she demanded of Assange, followed by: "Do we have your word of honour that you won't abscond?"
On the BBC's Today programme, John Humphrys bellowed: "Are you a sexual predator?" Assange replied that the suggestion was ridiculous, to which Humphrys demanded to know how many women he had slept with.
"Would even Fox News have descended to that level?" wondered the American historian William Blum. "I wish Assange had been raised in the streets of Brooklyn, as I was. He then would have known precisely how to reply to such a question: 'You mean including your mother?'"
Last week, on BBC World News, on the day Sweden announced it was dropping the case, I was interviewed by Greta Guru-Murthy, who seemed to have little knowledge of the Assange case. She persisted in referring to the "charges" against him. She accused him of putting Trump in the White House; and she drew my attention to the "fact" that "leaders around the world" had condemned him. Among these "leaders" she included Trump's CIA director. I asked her, "Are you a journalist?".
Innocent Warrior
22nd May 2017, 09:28
Published by The Wall Street Journal : Opinion (full article here from archive.is (http://archive.is/7nT1q#selection-4343.0-4445.41)) -
The U.S. Can Get Julian Assange
Avoid extradition and use secret services to airlift him to stand trial in America.
https://archive.is/7nT1q/2abdb6da25af88b25d65ba0929371fcb47abd960
By Seth Lipsky
May 21, 2017 5:45 p.m. ET
Julian Assange is all smiles after Sweden dropped its rape charge against him. He may be hoping to make it to Ecuador, which is unlikely to extradite him to America. Then again, we could always seize him and spirit him here to face justice. We wouldn’t have to resort to the extradition process. The Supreme Court might even prefer it that way.
Take it from the late Chief Justice William Rehnquist, who wrote the opinion in U.S. v. Alvarez-Machain (1992). It suggests that if America has a hand in kidnapping a culprit from foreign shores to bring him to justice here, the Supreme Court is not going to be too particular.
I’ve written about this over the years, including in 2009, when Scotland freed Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi to go home to Libya. He’d been convicted for his role in bringing down Pan Am 103 in 1988. It struck me that America ought to capture Megrahi and bring him before an American court. President Obama could have acted under the precedent in the case of Humberto Alvarez-Machain, a Mexican physician.
The doctor was indicted for his alleged role in the murder of a Drug Enforcement Administration agent, Enrique Camarena Salazar. He was accused, as Rehnquist put it, of “prolonging agent Camarena’s life so that others could further torture and interrogate him.” On April 2, 1990, the doctor was, as Rehnquist put it, “forcibly kidnapped from his medical office in Guadalajara, Mexico, to be flown by private plane to El Paso, Texas, where he was arrested by DEA officials.”
A U.S. district court concluded that the DEA was responsible, even though its agents were not personally involved. Dr. Alvarez claimed his abduction, in Rehnquist’s paraphrase, “constituted outrageous governmental conduct.” A dainty district court and the Ninth Circuit appeals bench were prepared to free Dr. Alvarez.
The Supreme Court was made of sterner stuff. It did cite a precedent, U.S. v. Rauscher , which blocked the prosecution of a defendant brought to America from England for a crime not covered in the extradition treaty between the two countries. The court took the view that once the U.S. proceeded under an extradition treaty, it was bound by its terms.
But the court also cited Ker v. Illinois (1886), which involved a thief, Frederick Ker, who’d been convicted in Illinois but fled to Peru, only to be brought back to court by a Pinkerton agent. Rehnquist wrote that Ker’s “presence before the court was procured by means of forcible abduction from Peru.” But because he wasn’t brought back via extradition, the court rejected his claims to rights under extradition law.
Which brings us to Mr. Assange. If his plan is to slink to Ecuador and if the U.S. really wants him, it might do better by avoiding extradition and turning to our secret services to airlift him to stand trial in America.
Even if America kidnaps him, that might not be the end of the story. Witness the denouement of the saga of Dr. Alvarez-Machain, who was put on trial in the same district court that shrank from trying him originally. The judge acquitted him before the case went to the jury. Dr. Alvarez-Machain then sued America and the Mexicans who’d kidnapped him in league with the DEA. That case, too, went to the Supreme Court, where in 2004 Dr. Alvarez-Machain lost unanimously.
It’s not clear the U.S. wants to put Mr. Assange on trial. If it does, though, the moral of Alvarez-Machain is that it doesn’t have to be squeamish about how it gets him here, even if he’s hiding south of the border.
Mr. Lipsky is editor of the New York Sun.
Source (https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-u-s-can-get-julian-assange-1495403122?mod=rss_opinion_main#livefyre-toggle-SB10435195018604654180904583155662797515352).
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Promo for new German-Spanish film on the legal fight surrounding Assange - Hacking Justice (english subtitles) HERE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95892-Vault-7&p=1154467&viewfull=1#post1154467).
Bill Ryan
22nd May 2017, 10:00
Greg Caton, an American expat resident in Ecuador who makes Cansema (https://www.alphaomegalabs.com/cansemar-black-topical-salve-22g.html) (also known as Amazon Black Salve, a very effective skin cancer CURE which really does work), was seized by American agents a few years ago and flown to America where he was thrown into jail.
The Ecuadorian government forbade the kidnap with a highest-level court order, but the US just ignored it and grabbed him anyway.
http://vidalspeaks.com/blog/greg-caton-how-his-cure-for-cancer-landed-him-in-prison-episode-34
http://GregCaton.com
Innocent Warrior
26th May 2017, 11:16
Ecuador's Moreno warns Assange not to interfere in politics (May 26, 2017)
Cochasqui (Ecuador) (AFP) - Ecuador's new president Lenin Moreno warned Julian Assange Thursday not to interfere in the politics of the South American country, whose embassy the WikiLeaks founder has lived in for the past five years.
The election victory of Moreno, who took office Wednesday, came as a relief for Assange after the socialist president's conservative rival had vowed to kick him out of Ecuador's London embassy.
On the night of the election in April, Assange took to Twitter to celebrate Lasso's loss.
But Moreno -- speaking at a ceremony at Cochasqui archeological site in the northern Andes Thursday -- "respectfully" asked the Australian "not to interfere in Ecuadorian politics, nor in the politics of its allies."
"His status does not allow him to talk about the politics of any country, let alone ours," he said.
It was Moreno's second warning for Assange in as many months, after he urged him following his election victory to "not meddle" in Ecuador's affairs.
The admonishment comes a week after Swedish prosecutors dropped a seven-year rape allegation against Assange and withdrew the European arrest warrant that had prompted his flight to the embassy and an appeal for asylum.
Former Ecuadorian president Rafael Correa said earlier this week that his country had "done its duty" by granting him asylum in 2012.
Moreno added on Thursday that his country "will ensure" that Britain "allows the transfer of Mr Assange to Ecuador or to the country in which he wishes to reside."
However, British police have said they still intend to arrest Assange if he leaves the London embassy after he violated the terms of his probation in Britain in 2012 when he took refuge in the diplomatic mission.
The WikiLeaks founder has always proclaimed his innocence of the charges, saying his extradition to Sweden would have led to his transfer to the United States, where he could be tried for publishing a huge store of confidential military and diplomatic documents.
Source. (https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/35648905/ecuadors-moreno-warns-assange-not-to-interfere-in-politics/#page1)
Response from Julian Assange (Twitter, May 26, 2017)
Talk that I have some kind of legally mandated gag are incorrect. Three laws apply.
The 1951 Convention on Refugees under which Ecuador granted me refugee status. There are no limitations whatsoever.
The Ecuadorian constitution which grants refugees "the full exercise of their rights".
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAvLr36WAAA_6Lq.jpg:large
The 1954 Caracas Convention which prevents "interference" (e.g plotting a coup) in the internal politics of the UK and only the UK.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAvNRxQXoAEKk5U.jpg:large
I am very sympathetic to the political and geopolitical pressures that every government faces. But the law only deals with the UK.
Ecuadorians can be confident that if WikiLeaks receives evidence of corruption in Ecuador it will be published.
In any instance where there is a genuine legal barrier to me being the publisher I will recuse myself and my replacement will publish.
Finally, I note that WikiLeaks publishes from EU, etc not Ecuador. If CIA et al have a problem with press freedoms take it up with the EU.
Source (https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/868009479346016256).
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Interview with John Pilger on Assange's detention, WBAI Radio - http://nuarchive.wbai.org/mp3/wbai_170523_170003randyCrelof.mp3
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