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norman
23rd May 2017, 03:07
19 dead, 50 injured.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-arena-explosion-evacuated-ariana-13075807

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/05/22/TELEMMGLPICT000129638046-small_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQfyf2A9a6I9YchsjMeADBa08.jpeg

Eric J (Viking)
23rd May 2017, 07:56
Don't forget this about a year ago...!


Crisis Actors Rehearse Terror Attack in Manchester, UK

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jbOnnVspx8g

Viking

Did You See Them
23rd May 2017, 08:23
I hope your not suggesting it's a fake attack with crisis actors !!
I would be well miffed off if they were NOT rehearsing for such an eventuality !

Eric J (Viking)
23rd May 2017, 10:37
Who knows...need some hot bod avalonian detectives on the case...

Found this...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tyt-MnOqNQk&sns=fb

Viking

bluestflame
23rd May 2017, 10:43
read somewhere a mention of it being a transformer blew up , injuries were caused by the stampede

Hervé
23rd May 2017, 12:42
Suicide bomber behind Manchester Arena attack that killed 22 people (https://www.rt.com/uk/389332-manchester-arena-suicide-blast/)

RT
Published time: 23 May, 2017 06:22
Edited time: 23 May, 2017 08:34
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The explosion at Manchester Arena on Monday was a suicide attack, according to the chief constable of Greater Manchester police, who noted that the perpetrator acted alone in detonating an improvised explosive device that killed 22 people, including children, and injured 59 others.

“The attacker, I can confirm, died at the arena. We believe the attacker was carrying an improvised explosive device which he detonated causing this atrocity,” Ian Hopkins, chief constable of Manchester police, told a news conference on Tuesday.

“We believe, at this stage, the attack last night was conducted by one man,” he said, adding that an investigation is underway to establish if the man was part of a network.




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Latest statement on incident at Manchester Arena @CCIanHopkins (https://twitter.com/CCIanHopkins)


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11:36 PM - 22 May 2017 Meanwhile, the death toll has risen to 22 people, including children, the police chief said. Fifty-nine others were injured in the blast.

The police are treating the explosion as a “terrorist incident,” Hopkins said.

In light of the attack, Manchester police will deploy additional officers, including armed patrols, to ensure security in the city. Security agencies dispatched more than 400 officers to deal with the emergency last night, police said.

The suicide bombing took place on Monday night at a crowded concert in Manchester, where thousands of people had gathered to listen to American singer Ariana Grande, whose music is popular with teenagers and children.

The death toll makes the Manchester bombing the deadliest attack of its kind in the UK since the blast that hit London’s transport network in 2005, killing 52 people. Notably, it took place less than three weeks before a British general election scheduled for June 8. All parties taking part in the race have suspended their campaigns until further notice.

UK Prime Minister Theresa May is expected to hold an emergency meeting of the government’s crisis body, known as the Cobra committee, after 9am on Tuesday. The investigation into the suicide attack will involve police counter-terrorism units, as well as the MI5, Britain’s domestic security service.

Gaia
23rd May 2017, 12:59
This is the most apparent false flag event in the history of Britland terror and fake news goes on : http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/fake-news-circulating-after-manchester-13078056

Authorities ‘rehearsed’ attack months before :

jbOnnVspx8g

This is a higher quality rehersal than you see in US or France even better than the actual false flag attacks. Just about one year ago, they've been ready for a while, why now?

Frankie Pancakes
23rd May 2017, 13:09
Post#4
The audio inside the venue is telling. Watch the youtube video to get a feel for the panic or lack of. How many cell phones were there? How much footage from these? How many security cameras are installed in this area? How much footage from these?

jc71
23rd May 2017, 13:22
This is the most apparent false flag event in the history of Britland terror and fake news goes on : http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/fake-news-circulating-after-manchester-13078056

Authorities ‘rehearsed’ attack months before :

jbOnnVspx8g

This is a higher quality rehersal than you see in US or France even better than the actual false flag attacks. Just about one year ago, they've been ready for a while, why now?

If you google it, there was in fact a drill in a nearby shopping mall which finished only last Wednesday... a multi-day event.

Correction: I can't find the pages now so maybe I got confused with the one in May 2016. I am sure it said there was one last week when I googled it last night, but I may have have got it wrong.

Hmm...

JC

Gaia
23rd May 2017, 14:39
This is the most apparent false flag event in the history of Britland terror and fake news goes on : http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/fake-news-circulating-after-manchester-13078056

Authorities ‘rehearsed’ attack months before :

jbOnnVspx8g

This is a higher quality rehersal than you see in US or France even better than the actual false flag attacks. Just about one year ago, they've been ready for a while, why now?

If you google it, there was in fact a drill in a nearby shopping mall which finished only last Wednesday... a multi-day event.

Correction: I can't find the pages now so maybe I got confused with the one in May 2016. I am sure it said there was one last week when I googled it last night, but I may have have got it wrong.

Hmm...

JC


I cant find it my self they only relate to May 2016 drill... It's was removed and I dont know why... ?

Interesting live video : All fake have a look : http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2017/05/23/manchester-explosion-ariana-grande-orig-llr.cnn/video/playlists/president-trumps-address-to-congress/


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On this one the kids keep it calm...Ridiculous :)

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Same old same old...

You dont get to see the daily riots in Paris this year on TV.

They dont show the German State confiscating private property.

THey dont report that the Italian banking systems is about to collapse

They dont report that the Greek government has passed a law giving themselves the right to break into its citizens safe deposit boxes.

They dont report that the Hungarian government conviscated all private pension schemes

They dont report that Seth Rich, whom was shot last year was the DNC wikileaker.

The BBC is pathetic and only suck in little old ladies

Lefty Dave
23rd May 2017, 15:03
Greetings
My question is...are the people in the crisis actor videos ...the same people coming out of the concert...any thoughts..?? Blessings

Gaia
23rd May 2017, 15:11
Greetings
My question is...are the people in the crisis actor videos ...the same people coming out of the concert...any thoughts..?? Blessings

As evidence, the website Raw Story published a collection of photos (seen below) of a woman they claim is a “crisis actor” crying in Paris who they assert is the same women seen crying following the mass shootings in Aurora, Colorado and Sandy Hook, Connecticut as well as being spotted crying following the terrorist bombing at the Boston Marathon in 2013... Food for thought!

http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/crisis-actor-4.jpg

http://thetruthfulone.com/false-flag-crisis-actors/

Did You See Them
23rd May 2017, 15:41
Well aware of false flags and crisis actors - but this was up the road from me and I know many who have friends that attended that concert - either taking their children on a night out or working there as ushers.
Real people, real deaths. real sad.

The Moss Trooper
23rd May 2017, 16:37
I just watched the BBC rolling report on BBC2, there was an interview with a woman who's daughter is missing, and there were no tears or even evidence in her face, cheeks, that there had been any tears. It got my attention so much that I called the missus over to watch, and a one point she displayed a very telling smile. I've watched Richard D Hall's interview with a man who performs statement analysis and remembered some of the things to listen out for in the words that are used.

I can't help thinking that all of these 'soft' targets, as opposed to hard targets, military, Governmental, Police etc, are being used to shape public opinion as opposed to a real terrorist war. This 'new' wave of terrorism has pretty much the same footprint as Gladio. We all know what was behind that curtain.

It's pretty shocking for the people who may have lost loved one's. I've yet to see any real, palpable, grief. Time will tell.

onawah
23rd May 2017, 16:44
I think if there were real deaths, etc. it doesn't necessarily mean that parts of it weren't staged and rehearsed.
Since some of us are onto the agenda now, they may be upping their game to make it all seem more like terrorist acts (though they may also be using (in both senses of the word) terrorists rather than planned cabal operations.

Bruno
23rd May 2017, 16:45
I don't buy that these events have crisis actors. Are these events manufactured false flags by the powers that be? more than likely, but real people get hurt and killed to sway public opinion.

Eric J (Viking)
23rd May 2017, 16:53
Well forensics must be on the ball considering the body was blown to smithereens...!

Snip

British authorities have identified the suicide bomb suspect as Salman Abedi, according to reports from US authorities.

The attack on Monday night at Manchester Arena, which killed 22 people, including children, was carried out by a suicide bomber who died at the scene. Some 59 people were also injured in the blast.

There has been no public or official confirmation of the attacker's identity from the British authorities themselves, however.

Prime Minister Theresa May said earlier on Tuesday that authorities believed they knew the identity of the bomber.

Islamic State has claimed one of its members was responsible, but those reports have not been verified.

British police asked the media to hold off on publishing the attacker’s name. Several American news organizations including CBS and NBC ignored the request, however, citing anonymous US officials who leaked the details from their conversations with British authorities.

Viking

onawah
23rd May 2017, 17:02
If you do your research, there is ample evidence that there are crisis actors aplenty at many of these scenes. It's not necessarily an either/or kind of situation, which of course, makes it harder to decipher.

I don't buy that these events have crisis actors. Are these events manufactured false flags by the powers that be? more than likely, but real people get hurt and killed to sway public opinion.

Gaia
23rd May 2017, 17:08
Some people think that no government would kill its own citizens. But governements do so all the time. There are an endless number of false flag attacks, such as Operation Gladio. Operation Gladio was a CIA/Italian intelligence operation that relentlessly bombed innocent Italians, such as those waiting in a train station, murdering hundreds, and then blaming the violence on the European communist parties in the post-WW II era in order to block the communists from electoral gains.

http://www.truthmove.org/content/operation-gladio/

conk
23rd May 2017, 17:16
I don't buy that these events have crisis actors. Are these events manufactured false flags by the powers that be? more than likely, but real people get hurt and killed to sway public opinion.This is pretty much factual information. Crisis actors are routinely profiled and identified. No mystery here at all.

Bruno
23rd May 2017, 17:43
I don't buy that these events have crisis actors. Are these events manufactured false flags by the powers that be? more than likely, but real people get hurt and killed to sway public opinion.This is pretty much factual information. Crisis actors are routinely profiled and identified. No mystery here at all.

I'm not saying it isn't possible. I just don't think there is a need for actors when they are willing to kill and traumatize every day people. I haven't seen anything that proves to me there were actors at this tragedy or elsewhere but I am open to the possibility.

Hervé
23rd May 2017, 17:47
[...]
I'm not saying it isn't possible. I just don't think there is a need for actors when they are willing to kill and traumatize every day people. I haven't seen anything that proves to me there were actors at this tragedy or elsewhere but I am open to the possibility.
The "Media" usually chose the crisis actors for "interviews" so that the narrative remains as wanted/needed and under control.

The Moss Trooper
23rd May 2017, 17:51
"Prime Minister Theresa May said earlier on Tuesday that authorities believed they knew the identity of the bomber".

And that's another point. They always seem to know the assailants, they were known to the intelligence agencies. Always. So either the Agencies are totally incompetent or these terrorists are being allowed to commit these acts. I know it's not as black or white as that, but still, I've yet to hear any outrage that these individuals are always known to intel agencies.

onawah
23rd May 2017, 17:53
Avalon members have done their research and posted a lot of info about crisis actors and false flag events.
Sandy Hook is a very good event to start with, if you want to get up to speed on the subject.




I don't buy that these events have crisis actors. Are these events manufactured false flags by the powers that be? more than likely, but real people get hurt and killed to sway public opinion.This is pretty much factual information. Crisis actors are routinely profiled and identified. No mystery here at all.

I'm not saying it isn't possible. I just don't think there is a need for actors when they are willing to kill and traumatize every day people. I haven't seen anything that proves to me there were actors at this tragedy or elsewhere but I am open to the possibility.

Gaia
23rd May 2017, 18:36
I just watched the BBC rolling report on BBC2, there was an interview with a woman who's daughter is missing, and there were no tears or even evidence in her face, cheeks, that there had been any tears. It got my attention so much that I called the missus over to watch, and a one point she displayed a very telling smile. I've watched Richard D Hall's interview with a man who performs statement analysis and remembered some of the things to listen out for in the words that are used.

I can't help thinking that all of these 'soft' targets, as opposed to hard targets, military, Governmental, Police etc, are being used to shape public opinion as opposed to a real terrorist war. This 'new' wave of terrorism has pretty much the same footprint as Gladio. We all know what was behind that curtain.

It's pretty shocking for the people who may have lost loved one's. I've yet to see any real, palpable, grief. Time will tell.


Here we go, this is the video of Olivia Campbell mother, Olivia was a top model according to her account on Twitter.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-begs-help-find-olivia-10479791?service=responsive

Atlas
23rd May 2017, 19:09
[...] I haven't seen anything that proves to me there were actors at this tragedy or elsewhere but I am open to the possibility.
Here is proof: Abdulhadi Kamil explains how he became a paid actor within the white helmets:
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http://m.wire.indywatch.org/archiver/www.philosophers-stone.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/C5qgHjdXMAEwVTF.jpg

norman
23rd May 2017, 19:14
Ariana Grande has tweeted: "broken. from the bottom of my heart, i am so so sorry. i don't have words."

What's she "so so sorry" about, I wonder.

Gaia
23rd May 2017, 19:23
Ariana Grande has tweeted: "broken. from the bottom of my heart, i am so so sorry. i don't have words."

What's she "so so sorry" about, I wonder.

Ariana Grande is a Kabbalist... https://i1.wp.com/illuminatiwatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Ariana-Grande-wishes-fans-would-die-Google.jpg?w=600

Billy
23rd May 2017, 19:56
My thoughts are, basically I do not give a damned if this another false flag with crisis actors. People are actually being murdered :facepalm:the youngest victim in this case is an 8yr old girl with dozens of seriously injured under the age of 16yrs. Makes me cry. My daughter stayed in Manchester for years. I am so glad she returned to the Highlands.

http://www.lep.co.uk/your-lancashire/preston/update-8-year-old-tarleton-schoolgirl-confirmed-dead-in-terror-attack-at-manchester-arena-1-8557605

My thoughts are only with those who are suffering such a great loss :bearhug:

norman
23rd May 2017, 20:04
Yup, that's exactly how this stuff works.

These kinds of events bring out the psychopath in me. It's the only defense I have against this particular type of programming.

Oh wait, I've just admitted I have a psychopath inside me too.

Atlas
23rd May 2017, 20:05
Is 8-year-old missing girl, Saffie Roussos, in Manchester terror attack Greek? (http://en.protothema.gr/is-8-year-old-missing-girl-saffie-in-manchester-terror-attack-greek-photo/)

Greek Embassy unable to confirm her identity to protothema.gr

The first victim of the attack has now been named as Georgina Bethany Callander:
http://en.protothema.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/manch.jpg

LEGOWehrmacht
23rd May 2017, 20:21
Evening All !! 100% Crisis actors all the way, Manchester, apparently there was a full rehearsal/ drill a few weeks ago with crisis actors in Manchester Arena itself. Was that where the footage came from?

Reference, the one and only "Russianvids" YouTube channel, I spotted it as soon as I saw the headline myself though. First time I have been 100% not fooled at all,

Nobody died - What an embarrassment to authenticity - Thank god it's not real,,, but what a terrible thing if everyone believes it to be real, for the increased laws that will be implemented etc. If anyone was killed or hurt I am deeply sorry and find it abhorrent, hopefully no-one was affected in reality.

London was totally fake a few weeks ago - What no CCTV? - At Parliament most important place in London LOL

This after Trump is in Israel "Admitting" he wants war against Iran - 20 minutes later Explosion at Manchester Arena - Is that the one owned by Saudi Arabian interests..??? idk Everything seems to be owned by them :)

See you

Gaia
23rd May 2017, 20:26
My thoughts are, basically I do not give a damned if this another false flag with crisis actors. People are actually being murdered :facepalm:the youngest victim in this case is an 8yr old girl with dozens of seriously injured under the age of 16yrs. Makes me cry. My daughter stayed in Manchester for years. I am so glad she returned to the Highlands.

http://www.lep.co.uk/your-lancashire/preston/update-8-year-old-tarleton-schoolgirl-confirmed-dead-in-terror-attack-at-manchester-arena-1-8557605

My thoughts are only with those who are suffering such a great loss :bearhug:

Mum and sister are ok full report here : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/23/8-year-old-confirmed-dead-manchester-attack-ariana-grande-concert/

"In the panic she may have been taken to the Etihad stadium please look for her. ''

Gaia
23rd May 2017, 20:41
Is 8-year-old missing girl, Saffie Roussos, in Manchester terror attack Greek? (http://en.protothema.gr/is-8-year-old-missing-girl-saffie-in-manchester-terror-attack-greek-photo/)

Greek Embassy unable to confirm her identity to protothema.gr

The first victim of the attack has now been named as Georgina Bethany Callander:
http://en.protothema.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/manch.jpg

“Relatives of the family were traveling to Britain from Cyprus. Saffie’s father Andreas Roussos has Cypriot citizenship…but not his wife and daughters. He was born in Cyprus and later moved to Liverpool.” according to http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/saffie-rose-roussos-manchester-victim-photo-ariana-grande-child-terrorist-attack/

For sure it"s a false flag event... Chris Upton, headteacher at Tarleton Community Primary School, said: “News of Saffie’s death in this appalling attack has come as a tremendous shock to all of us and I would like to send our deepest condolences to all of her family and friends.

"The thought that anyone could go out to a concert and not come home is heartbreaking.

“Saffie was simply a beautiful little girl in every aspect of the word. She was loved by everyone and her warmth and kindness will be remembered fondly. Saffie was quiet and unassuming with a creative flair. Humm http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/saffie-rose-roussos-manchester-bomb-10482449

avid
23rd May 2017, 20:56
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/
Was it real or not?
Considering the amount of cameras about, very few dire images, only 1 Press Association of bodies in foyer with bloody drag marks (like those from Bataclan in Paris aftermath). Awaiting cctv asap.
However, any collateral damage to life if it was deliberate is unforgiveable.
All this negative news benefits whose political agenda prior to a general election...? Disgusting.
Patsies now defined.

Sophocles
23rd May 2017, 22:39
UK PM: Terrorism threat level raised to critical, new attack 'imminent' (https://www.rt.com/uk/389489-uk-pm-terrorism-threat-level-critical/)


The terror attack threat level in the UK has shifted from severe to critical, Prime Minister Theresa May said following a second emergency Cobra committee meeting. She added that armed forces will be dispatched to assist the police.

"It is now concluded on the basis of today's investigations that the threat level should be increased for the time being from severe to critical," she said in a televised statement. “It is a possibility we can't ignore that there are a wider group of individuals linked to this attack.”

May said that she does not want the public to be unduly alarmed and called her move “a proportionate and appropriate response.”

She added that according to the assessment of the UK security services, another “attack remains [not only] highly likely but that a further attack may be imminent."

RT (https://www.rt.com/uk/389489-uk-pm-terrorism-threat-level-critical/)

norman
24th May 2017, 00:08
Paul Joseph Watson (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCittVh8imKanO_5KohzDbpg)


Manchester Attack: What They're NOT Telling You


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Published on 23 May 2017
Which is more important - not hurting Muslims' feelings, or our children being blown up?

DNA
24th May 2017, 00:30
Look I know next to nothing about what is going on here. My source for information is the main stream media for information here, which again means I really do not know a damn thing!
But I can use inference to try to come up with some kind of logic here.
First off most false flags done in the US have a REASON for molding public opinion.
The suicide bombing done in the UK if it were a false flag would be done to mold public opinion about something. So what would that be?
First off we have a Government that is all for refugee placement within that country, a suicide bomber killing dozens of children and injuring dozens more hardly is the message they want to send.
What we do have is a large refugee influx that pretty much hates what the west has done to their country through a constant barrage of bombings in the name of regime change. These folks actually have a valid reason for their anger with the west in my opinion.
These same refugees also have anti-west sentiments through extreme ideology.
That being said this appears to me to be the end result, the operative result of what the elite are planning for the big picture and that is the destabilization of western governements through the introduction of a faction that will tear them apart from within.
This may be the beginning of that destabilization.
I do not state this as fact, just conjecture based on my views of what has been going on.
I do not know with any certainty if what I'm conjecturing is true at all.

norman
24th May 2017, 00:41
Look I know next to nothing about what is going on here. My source for information is the main stream media for information here, which again means I really do not know a damn thing!
But I can use inference to try to come up with some kind of logic here.
First off most false flags done in the US have a REASON for molding public opinion.
The suicide bombing done in the UK if it were a false flag would be done to mold public opinion about something. So what would that be?
First off we have a Government that is all for refugee placement within that country, a suicide bomber killing dozens of children and injuring dozens more hardly is the message they want to send.
What we do have is a large refugee influx that pretty much hates what the west has done to their country through a constant barrage of bombings in the name of regime change. These folks actually have a valid reason for their anger with the west in my opinion.
These same refugees also have anti-west sentiments through extreme ideology.
That being said this appears to me to be the end result, the operative result of what the elite are planning for the big picture and that is the destabilization of western governements through the introduction of a faction that will tear them apart from within.
This may be the beginning of that destabilization.
I do not state this as fact, just conjecture based on my views of what has been going on.
I do not know with any certainty if what I'm conjecturing is true at all.

I'm inclined to see it how you do, then I saw this photo and wondered why I was seeing slit gashes in this woman's tights. Did she do it as a fashion thing or was it done in the prep room for a later addition of fake blood which obviously has not been applied, if so.

I really don't know what's going on.

There's a general election in a couple of weeks. The party in governement may possibly have some interest in bringing security to the top of the agenda at this time, I dunno.
http://e3.365dm.com/17/05/750x563/49c567b9c3aa3202188e18ee76cbb6f3c8ea25841acbbfd01623f78ce53ad14e_3960492.jpg?20170523030142

The Moss Trooper
24th May 2017, 06:29
Congratulations to Manchester ambulance service for their co-ordinated arrival from their holding area.

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Very professional.

Iloveyou
24th May 2017, 06:37
Mix an orchestrated, staged event with real victims, real people dying is the most perfidious thing they can do (can somebody replace "they" with precise names, please). Whatever arguments are brought up for or against false flag, one is always (partly) wrong, there is always proof for the other side, too.

The means to terrorize/traumatize the general public have been perfectioned since Sandy Hook, it seems. I don't doubt for a minute that there were real deaths, nor have I any doubt that the tragedy was planned meticulously. What will they fabricate next!

Sérénité
24th May 2017, 11:35
Im from Manchester, I can confirm children and adults did die in this atrocity. Real children, real parents, grandparents. Friends of friends, children of friends. This was very real.

Who orchestrated it, I've no idea. But one thing I do know is that from the depths of my soul full of despair for those poor children and parents who lost their lives, Manchester has made me proud. Everyone is United and (the majority) are refusing to let this cause divide, conquer or hatred. The need to help that so many people felt was overwhelming and shows that compassion and love really is the most important thing.

Yesterday my partner made it into work in the city centre, albeit 2 hours late...trains and transport was still diverted away from the Arena and Victoria Station. There was several false alarms and a huge armed response presence.
With heavy hearts, life carrys on all around. This weekend I'll still be in Manchester celebrating this amazing city.

It's my honest opinion that this was, in no shape or form a false flag event with crisis actors. It happened and it was real. As for the rest of the details...I've no idea.

Baby Steps
24th May 2017, 12:44
What happened in the meme-o-sphere as a result of this attack.

What was happening just before the attack - that was totally deflated and shut down?

Mark (Star Mariner)
24th May 2017, 12:52
I have no doubt at all that this atrocity was a real event and that real people died. Of course they died. I think Herve is probably correct in that the part crisis actors play - and they most likely are involved here - is to help promote the desired narrative in the aftermath, by way of posing in pictures and giving media interviews.

The real point is: was it a government sponsored op from the get go, a false flag? If so, why? What is the intended outcome?

Theoretically, to sustain public anxiety in Europe in order to justify, and gain public approval of, tighter control, greater security, and increased surveillance. Also bear in mind that there is an election coming. A massively important election. A powerful response to the attack by Theresa May will win her votes.

The overall purpose may very well come down to this: Just one day after the attack we have armed officers out in force. (Police forces in the UK are well known for not being armed).

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/6782/production/_96189462_shutterstock_editorial_8836028d_large.jpg

Police State in the UK here we come.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-40026013

norman
24th May 2017, 13:02
Yea, the one big unknown about Theresa May was how tough she is in the heat of crisis.

I guess that gap in our mental profile of her got filled in just in the nick of time, didn't it.

Mark (Star Mariner)
24th May 2017, 13:06
It worked for Thatcher didn't it. There may have been a little pressure for her leading up to that crucial election of 1983 - then boom! the Falklands crisis. She won by a landslide because of that. Not saying the Falklands affair was a false flag or anything like Manchester, but as a political device...they sure know how to spin things in their favour.

DNA
24th May 2017, 13:11
For everyone who is so sure this is a false flag Government controlled event I would like to ask the question why?
For everyone here congratulating themselves for their savvy, in-depth and penetrating take in assuring us this is a staged event, no one has tried to formulate a "why" as to answer the desired results on the traumatized British citizens, if this is indeed a false flag.
If this is a staged event then what is the motive of the perpetrator?
Just because there have been staged events in the past does not mean a lone person of sufficient hatred is incapable of blowing themselves up in a public area.
By that rationale Israel has been staging events with suicide bombers on it's streets and buses for decades.

norman
24th May 2017, 13:14
False Flag is term we shouldn't read as a single type of phenomenon.

I had some early experiences ( 4 decades ago ) of how the intelligence services mingle with groups and sectors of the population. I have zero doubt that even without crisis actors and a whole fake play production, which has obviously been used in several American events, the agencies can deliver one to order at pretty short notice.

angelfire
24th May 2017, 13:32
For everyone who is so sure this is a false flag Government controlled event I would like to ask the question why?
For everyone here congratulating themselves for their savvy, in-depth and penetrating take in assuring us this is a staged event, no one has tried to formulate a "why" as to answer the desired results on the traumatized British citizens, if this is indeed a false flag.
If this is a staged event then what is the motive of the perpetrator?
Just because there have been staged events in the past does not mean a lone person of sufficient hatred is incapable of blowing themselves up in a public area.
By that rationale Israel has been staging events with suicide bombers on it's streets and buses for decades.

This, to my way of thinking, is mostly definitely another heart wrenching and sickening false flag.
The day before this event, Theresa May's campaign was in meltdown due to the ill timed proposal for a dementia tax:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/22/theresa-may-u-turn-on-dementia-tax-cap-social-care-conservative-manifesto

Her projected image as a "safe and stable" leader was beginning to wobble but now she will be seen as the only politician capable of protecting us from such atrocities.
Job done.

Mark (Star Mariner)
24th May 2017, 13:43
Personally I never said I was sure this was a false flag. But based on historical events of similar type that I happen to believe were false flags, there are hints to me that this could be.



If this is a staged event then what is the motive of the perpetrator?


If the perpetrator was the security forces, ie government, there are several possible reasons which I suggested a few posts above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97849-MANCHESTER-ENGLAND-Explosions-at-UK-Ariana-Grande-Concert&p=1154926&viewfull=1#post1154926). If you mean the actual bomber, if he was a so called lone wolf, who blew himself up...well we don't know if anyone actually did blow themselves up for sure, for there isn't much of a body to identify. If he really did blow himself up, then he probably did it because he was a soldier simply following the orders of ISIS. But we have only the mainstream media's version of events to go on. But beyond that:

- He may be a pawn, brainwashed into doing this.
- The bomb could've been planted on him, eg in baggage, without his knowledge.
- The security forces were well aware of the plot and let it go forward (for reasons above in #44 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97849-MANCHESTER-ENGLAND-Explosions-at-UK-Ariana-Grande-Concert&p=1154926&viewfull=1#post1154926))
- The bomb was nothing to do with him, it was planted in the floor, the ceiling, in a flower pot or whatever, and he is a convenient scapegoat.
- He may've been security forces himself, taking part in an exercise, and was deliberately made the patsy (like the so-called bombers of 7/7).

All just speculation I agree, but these are potential possibilities.

ktlight
24th May 2017, 13:53
She, Mrs May, will be seen as getting the job of diverting us all from analysing the effect of our responsibility/contribution to the deaths of many, many children in their own countries who have been killed by UK, USA, Israelis , etc., which will enable us to feel what our actions are doing, such as bringing a Manchester incident to our shores. Sorry to say this, you all, and deeply sad that our children have been attacked. I am also deeply sad about the deaths of all of those others in other countries.

Hervé
24th May 2017, 14:26
Manchester attacker linked to Libyan terrorists harbored by UK govt for decades (http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2017/05/uk-government-harbored-terrorists.html)

Tony Cartalucci Land Destroyer Report (http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2017/05/uk-government-harbored-terrorists.html)
Wed, 24 May 2017 13:53 UTC


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UK Proscribed terrorist organization, Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), maintains large presence in Manchester area and is now being linked to recent blast.

As suspected and as was the case in virtually all recent terror attacks carried out in Europe - including both in France and Belgium - the suspect involved in the recent Manchester blast which killed 22 and injured scores more was previously known to British security and intelligence agencies.

The Telegraph in its article, "Salman Abedi named as the Manchester suicide bomber - what we know about him (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/23/salman-abedi-named-manchester-suicide-bomber-know/)," would report:
Salman Abedi, 22, who was reportedly known to the security services, is thought to have returned from Libya as recently as this week. While initial reports attempted to craft a narrative focused on a "lone wolf" attacker who organized and executed the blast himself, the nature of the improvised explosive device used and the details of the attack revealed what was certainly an operation carried out by someone who either acquired militant experience through direct contact with a terrorist organization, or was directed by a terrorist organization with extensive experience.

A Thriving Terrorist Community in the Midst of Manchester

The same Telegraph article would also admit (emphasis added):
A group of Gaddafi dissidents, who were members of the outlawed Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), lived within close proximity to Abedi in Whalley Range.

Among them was Abd al-Baset Azzouz, a father-of-four from Manchester, who left Britain to run a terrorist network in Libya overseen by Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's successor as leader of al-Qaeda.

Azzouz, 48, an expert bomb-maker, was accused of running an al-Qaeda network in eastern Libya. The Telegraph reported in 2014 that Azzouz had 200 to 300 militants under his control and was an expert in bomb-making.

Another member of the Libyan community in Manchester, Salah Aboaoba told Channel 4 news in 2011 that he had been fund raising for LIFG while in the city. Aboaoba had claimed he had raised funds at Didsbury mosque, the same mosque attended by Abedi. Thus, the required experience for the recent Manchester attack exists in abundance within the community's Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) members.

LIFG is in fact a proscribed terrorist group listed as such by the United Kingdom's government in 2005, and still appears upon its list of "Proscribed terrorist groups or organisations (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proscribed-terror-groups-or-organisations--2)," found on the government's own website.

The accompanying government list (PDF) (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/612076/20170503_Proscription.pdf) states explicitly regarding LIFG that:
The LIFG seeks to replace the current Libyan regime with a hard-line Islamic state. The group is also part of the wider global Islamist extremist movement, as inspired by Al Qa'ida. The group has mounted several operations inside Libya, including a 1996 attempt to assassinate Mu'ammar Qadhafi. Thus, astoundingly, according to the Telegraph, a thriving community of listed terrorists exists knowingly in the midst of the British public, without any intervention by the UK government, security, or intelligence agencies - with members regularly travelling abroad and participating in armed conflict and terrorist activities before apparently returning home - not only without being incarcerated, but apparently also without even being closely monitored.

LIFG also appears on the US State Department's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations (https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm). Astoundingly, it appears under a section titled, "Delisted Foreign Terrorist Organizations," and indicates that it was removed as recently as 2015.

Elsewhere on the US State Department's website (https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2011/195553.htm#LIFG), is a 2012 report where LIFG is described:
On November 3, 2007, [Al Qaeda (AQ)] leader Ayman al-Zawahiri announced a formal merger between AQ and LIFG. However, on July 3, 2009, LIFG members in the United Kingdom released a statement formally disavowing any association with AQ. The report also makes mention of LIFG's role in US-led NATO regime change operations in Libya in 2011 (emphasis added):
In early 2011, in the wake of the Libyan revolution and the fall of Qadhafi, LIFG members created the LIFG successor group, the Libyan Islamic Movement for Change (LIMC), and became one of many rebel groups united under the umbrella of the opposition leadership known as the Transitional National Council. Former LIFG emir and LIMC leader Abdel Hakim Bil-Hajj was appointed the Libyan Transitional Council's Tripoli military commander during the Libyan uprisings and has denied any link between his group and AQ. Indeed, a literal senior Al Qaeda-affiliate leader would head the regime put into power by US-led military operations - which included British forces.


https://www.sott.net/image/s11/233122/large/McCain_ISIS_HeadBelhaj.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s11/233122/full/McCain_ISIS_HeadBelhaj.jpg)
Abdelhakim Belhadj honored by Sen. John McCain as a hero. L to R: CT Senator Richard Bumenthal, ISIS commander Abdelhakim Belhadj, AZ Senator John Mc Cain, SC Senator Lindsey Graham © theconservativetreehouse.com


Not only this, but prominent US politicians would even travel to Libya to personally offer support to Bil-Hajj (also spelled Belhaj). In one notorious image, US Senator John McCain is seen shaking hands with and offering a gift to the terrorist leader in the wake of the Libyan government's collapse.

The US State Department's report regarding LIFG ends with information about its "area of operation," claiming (emphasis added):
Since the late 1990s, many members have fled to southwest Asia, and European countries, particularly the UK. For the residents of Manchester, the British government appears to have categorically failed to inform them of the threat living openly in their midst. While the British population is divided and distracted with a more general strategy of tension focused on Islam, Muslims, and Islamophobia, the very specific threat of US-UK sanctioned terrorists living and operating within British communities is overlooked by the public.

However - for British security and intelligence agencies - it is unlikely that such an obvious security threat was merely "overlooked." That extremists thrive within British communities without government intervention indicates complicity, not incompetence.

LIFG Terrorists Are Anglo-America's Helping Hands

The Guardian in a 2011 article titled, "The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group - from al-Qaida to the Arab spring (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/05/libyan-islamic-fighting-group-leaders)," would claim:
British intelligence and security service interest in Libya has focused for 20 years on the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), whether it was opposing Muammar Gaddafi and working with al-Qaida, later renouncing its old jihadi worldview - or taking part in the armed uprising that has now overthrown the regime. The article in reality is nothing more than an attempt to portray a listed terrorist organization as "reformed" ahead of increased public awareness regarding the true nature of Libya's US and British-backed "rebels."

LIFG members would not only assist the US and British governments in the 2011 overthrow of the Libyan government, they would also move on - with Western arms and cash - to NATO-member Turkey where they staged an invasion of northern Syria.

The Telegraph in a November 2011 article titled, "Leading Libyan Islamist met Free Syrian Army opposition group (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8919057/Leading-Libyan-Islamist-met-Free-Syrian-Army-opposition-group.html)," would report:
Abdulhakim Belhadj, head of the Tripoli Military Council and the former leader of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, "met with Free Syrian Army leaders in Istanbul and on the border with Turkey," said a military official working with Mr Belhadj. "Mustafa Abdul Jalil (the interim Libyan president) sent him there." The article would continue by reporting:
The meetings came as a sign of a growing ties between Libya's fledgling government and the Syrian opposition. The Daily Telegraph on Saturday revealed that the new Libyan authorities had offered money and weapons to the growing insurgency against Bashar al-Assad.

Mr Belhaj also discussed sending Libyan fighters to train troops, the source said. Having ousted one dictator, triumphant young men, still filled with revolutionary fervour, are keen to topple the next. The commanders of armed gangs still roaming Tripoli's streets said yesterday that "hundreds" of fighters wanted to wage war against the Assad regime. Revealed once again is a convenient intersection of terrorist and US-British interests - this time in pursuit of regime change in Syria in the wake of successful US-UK backed regime change in Libya.

Confirming that these plans to send Libyan extremists to fight in Syria were eventually executed is CNN's 2012 article, "Libya rebels move onto Syrian battlefield (http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/28/world/meast/syria-libya-fighters/)," which reported:
Under the command of one of Libya's most well known rebel commanders, Al-Mahdi al-Harati, more than 30 Libyan fighters have made their way into Syria to support the Free Syrian Army rebels in their war against President Bashar al-Assad's regime. Al Harati's army of Libyan terrorists would expand to hundreds, possibly thousands of fighters and later merge with other Syrian militant groups including Al Qaeda's Syrian franchise - Jabhat Al Nusra. In Libya, LIFG fighters have divided themselves among various warring factions, including Al Qaeda and Islamic State affiliates.

As these terrorists filter out of Syria and back home, those hailing from LIFG are mainly returning to the UK where they have been known by US and British security and intelligence agencies for years to exist. With them they will be bringing back the technical knowledge and experience needed to carry out devastating attacks like the recent blast that targeted Manchester.

It is terrorism that follows as a direct result of British foreign and domestic policy - supporting terrorists abroad and deliberately refusing to dismantle their networks at home - all as they feed fighters and resources into the US-UK proxy war still raging in Syria.

The British government is directly responsible for the recent Manchester blast. It had foreknowledge of LIFG's existence and likely its activities within British territory and not only failed to act, but appears to have actively harbored this community of extremists for its own geopolitical and domestic agenda.

The recent blast will only reinforce the unsophisticated "tolerance versus bigotry" narrative that has gripped British society, entirely sidestepping the reality of government sanctioned terrorism wielded both abroad and against its own people - not for ideological or religious purposes - but purely in pursuit of geopolitical hegemony.

That the US and UK are using terrorists to expedite their respective geopolitical objectives should come as no surprise - particularly in regards to LIFG - since the organization itself branched out of Washington's mercenary fighters used against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

What is surprising is that the Western public continues to react emotionally to each terrorist attack individually rather than rationally, seeing the much larger picture and pattern. And until the Western public sees that bigger picture and pattern, fear, injustice, murder, and mayhem will continue to dominate their lives and futures.

Hervé
24th May 2017, 14:36
Manchester attack: Blowback for UK's support of terrorism in Libya, Syria and beyond (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/05/the-manchester-attack-a-blowback-from-britains-terror-support-in-its-wars-on-libya-and-syria.html)

Moon of Alabama (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/05/the-manchester-attack-a-blowback-from-britains-terror-support-in-its-wars-on-libya-and-syria.html) Wed, 24 May 2017 13:44 UTC


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Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, brought to you by the U.S. and UK.


When I first learned of yesterday's terror incident in Manchester, UK I snarked (https://twitter.com/MoonofA/status/866903261063897088):
Moon of Alabama‏ @MoonofA

So another heroic "Syrian rebel" - which the British government avidly supports - blew himself up. But why in #Manchester?

6:26 AM - 23 May 2017 Several people attacked me over that tweet.

How would I know it was a "Syrian rebel" who blew himself up in the Manchester Arena?

Well, how would you know that any of the takfiri "Syrian rebels" the UK, the U.S. and their Gulf proxies support in Syria are from Syria? Many are definitely not (http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/chinese-uyghur-colonies-in-syria-a-challenge-for-beijing/).

Then news appeared that the attacker's name was Abedi and that he hailed from an anti-Ghaddafi tribe in eastern Libya (https://www.libyaherald.com/2017/05/23/manchester-born-bomber-of-libyan-parents-named-as-salman-abedi/).

It was eastern Libya from where in Macrh 2011 a tribal insurrection (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2011/03/libya-a-tribal-insurrection.html) to overthrow the Libyan government was initiated. Weapons were flown in from Qatar and handed out to Jihadists. British special forces were on the ground (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-12658054) to help the takfiris of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) in their attacks towards the Libyan capital in western Libya. The leader of the eastern front was (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2011/08/abdelhakim-belhadj-might-help-saif-al-islam-gaddhafi.html) Abdelhakim Belhadj, a long time al-Qaeda member, After Ghaddafi was overthrown with British help al-Qaeda's flag went up (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2011/10/foreign-policy-success-rising-al-qaidas-flag.html) over the court house of the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi.

The Manchester plot thickened.

And now we read this (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11862181):
The suicide bomber who killed 22 people and injured 59 more at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester was a university dropout who may have made secret trips to Syria to train for the attack.
...
UK police revealed, Mr Abedi was a 23-year-old British national of Libyan descent. He was born in Manchester and grew up alongside three siblings.

British intelligence agents are investigating reports the football-obsessed Abedi slipped into Syria while visiting relatives in Libya several times in recent years, The Sun reports. more (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/24/everything-know-salman-abedi-named-manchester-suicide-bomber/):
Abedi born in Manchester and grew up in tight-knit Libyan community that was known for its strong opposition to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's regime.

He had become radicalised recently - it is not entirely clear when - and had worshipped at a local mosque that has, in the past, been accused of fund-raising for jihadists.
...
A group of Gaddafi dissidents, who were members of the outlawed Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), lived within close proximity to Abedi in Whalley Range. The Islamic State, a former part of al-Qaeda, has claimed responsibility for the attack in Manchester. The LIFG was aligned with al-Qaeda.

There is no definite proof yet but it is fairly obvious that the Manchester attack is a blowback of the British wars on the independent Libya under Ghaddafi and on the independent Syria under Bashar Assad. In both cases the British government supports radical Islamist takfiris to fight against the secular governments it wants to overthrow. But such extremists can never be controlled by the "west". They hate the "west" on ideological grounds and they hate what "we" do to their home countries. Any use of such forces abroad will blow back home.

I have seen suggestions that the attack in Manchester was initiated by "deep state" Gladio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio) forces to help Theresa May win the British election. That is possible - British secret services knew the culprit - but it is unlikely in my view. May is predicted to win by a wide margin and there is no need to take the risk such a plan would inevitably entail. A blowback from supporting takfiri terrorists in foreign countries is the much more likely explanation.

But don't expect the government supporting mainstream media to explicitly point out that obvious connection.

Hervé
24th May 2017, 15:01
What's easier and cheaper to implement?


long term MKultra program types (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94483-Thousands-of-Americans-Now-Feel-Free-to-Assault-Fellow-Citizens&p=1113447&viewfull=1#post1113447) or



Radicalizing (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97853-Radical-Radicalization-of-Radicals...-a-CIA-s-Homemade-Recipe) already diehard radicals (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89230-When-Vested-Interests-Take-Education-over...&p=1050884&viewfull=1#post1050884)?

See... because one cannot really bring any (new) order into anything unless a chaos is being created and orchestrated...

Atlas
24th May 2017, 16:31
Salman Abedi, 22, who was reportedly known to the security services, is thought to have returned from Libya as recently as this week.
Salman Abedi, far right, pictured as a schoolboy on a beach in Libya with friends:
https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_small/public/thumbnails/image/2017/05/24/12/abedi-young.jpg
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/pictured-on-a-beach-with-friends-manchester-suicide-bomber-salman-abedi-a3547471.html
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Tottington High School pupil in hospital with life-changing injuries as doctors battle to save his eye (http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/15303667.Teenage_boy_in_hospital_with_life_changing_injuries_as_doctors_battle_to_save_his_eye_after _terror_attack)

Adam Lawler, 15, is in serious condition with a broken right leg, injuries to his right arm, cuts to his face and neck. He also is "covered in shrapnel." He was in surgery as doctors worked to save his right eye.

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/resources/images/6380349/?type=responsive-gallery-fullscreen

MorningFox
24th May 2017, 17:02
Her (Theresa May) projected image as a "safe and stable" leader was beginning to wobble but now she will be seen as the only politician capable of protecting us from such atrocities.
Job done.

I don't understand this logic... ?

Atlas
24th May 2017, 18:48
Abedi is pictured with pals as a teenager in the UK:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/nintchdbpict000326462368-e1495638850418.jpg

Hashem Abedi, the younger brother of the Manchester bomber, holding a firearm:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/nintchdbpict000326468824-e1495644932250.jpg
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3640723/manchester-bomber-salman-abedis-dad-claims-son-did-not-carry-out-ariana-grande-concert-attack-because-we-dont-believe-in-killing-innocents/#

Nasu
24th May 2017, 20:03
Mix an orchestrated, staged event with real victims, real people dying is the most perfidious thing they can do (can somebody replace "they" with precise names, please). Whatever arguments are brought up for or against false flag, one is always (partly) wrong, there is always proof for the other side, too.

The means to terrorize/traumatize the general public have been perfectioned since Sandy Hook, it seems. I don't doubt for a minute that there were real deaths, nor have I any doubt that the tragedy was planned meticulously. What will they fabricate next!

I think you hit the nail on the head. From my distant vantage point it seems that there were real deaths. My thoughts and prayers go to the families of these people. Like the rest of you I cannot be sure either way. What is strange to me, very strange, is that no one within a hundred yards / feet / meters was filming with their phones at the time. It seems the only images we see are from far away or at the entrance as people exited in panic. To me, in this day and age that is very odd, especially at a music concert aimed at people under 30 years old, for the most part. Surely there would be more footage, even just more panicked footage, anything...

Qui Bono?

Well given the timing, the conservative party is the greatest benefactor to this misery, obviously. Next would be any joint actions for the war machine and the contracts that fuel those conflicts. Next it benefits the security services who apparently had this terrorist on their radar, they will ask for more powers to follow targets of interest that they do not currently have the man-power to follow up on, like this case. Lastly the armed forces are now being asked to replace police at critical infrastructure points to alleviate the overstretched police, so both these groups on the back of this horror could claim to need greater funding for new recruits, resources, etc, etc...

I thought it very interesting that on the news when May upped the countries threat situation from severe to critical she mentioned that the group who issue these assessments are an independent body! Huh.. So the government can't make that call, only some supposedly independent non political group can? I call BS.

Clearly the biggest loser here is the British people, who now have to live under an enforced fear, an enforced critical fear mind you, the highest kind... Like I said, my feelings are with those who lost loved ones....x.... N

thedood73
24th May 2017, 20:11
For everyone who is so sure this is a false flag Government controlled event I would like to ask the question why?
For everyone here congratulating themselves for their savvy, in-depth and penetrating take in assuring us this is a staged event, no one has tried to formulate a "why" as to answer the desired results on the traumatized British citizens, if this is indeed a false flag.
If this is a staged event then what is the motive of the perpetrator?
Just because there have been staged events in the past does not mean a lone person of sufficient hatred is incapable of blowing themselves up in a public area.
By that rationale Israel has been staging events with suicide bombers on it's streets and buses for decades.

Firstly we've been told it was a suicide bomber but how do we know that?It could have been a backpack/bag left in the crowd. Don't just believe whatever you're told, because its all theatre to lead us by the nose into more death and destruction.
Why would it be a false flag/staged event you ask? How about
1) to mould public opinion to support military action against Syria and then Iran
2) to add hugely to the anti-muslim narratives being promoted at the moment and promote anti muslim hate
3) to improve Theresa Mays profile as a strong leader and to erode the growing mass of support for Corbyn whose ambivalence towards the military(spending), Trident etc gives his opponents a point of attack in the public eye, especially if there is a huge media-inspired sense of fear and loathing caused by 'terrorists' creating a realistic enemy-figure threat.
4) to take us one step closer to the police state that is slowly but surely being rolled out.Troops on the streets, you can guarantee this will be used to erode out rapidly disappearing Rights even further.
5)To justify further higher spending on the military with huge profits for our oligarchs at taxpayer expense, and also justify the cuts to health,education,etc that higher 'Defense' spending will entail
If you have not seen the film Ripple Effect 7/7 which is an incredible expose of what really happened on 7/7 re the London Tube/Bus bombings, then PLEASE watch it...here it is...incredible information you will NEVER get from the mainstream media.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7PQG5weeHk&t=298s
This film reveals just what lengths our ruling elite will go to using their highly trained and controlled special operatives and a controlled media to create their narratives... There is now an updated and expanded new version but its much longer.
Here it is.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGsoit8jXDU

Israeli zionists and their sympathizers within the US govt did 9/11. Israeli security services and Zionist sympathiers with UK govt and intelligence orchestrated 7/7 as shown in Ripple Effect 2. Theres a reason that ISIS never attacks Israel, only its enemies. Theres a reason wounded ISIS fighters are treated by Israeli medical units in the Golan heights. Theres evidence the sectarian violence in Iraq in the aftermath of te US occupation was largely orchestrated my Israeli intelligence and its stooges perpatrating false flag atrocities to provoke violent sectarian conflict. WHY? Heres why...
Greater Israel - The Jewish Plan for the Middle East, The Oded Yinon Plan... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYrZkFEiY1I&index=87&list=PL83BAB5B349F818BF&t=3s

Baby Steps
24th May 2017, 20:20
What happened in the meme-o-sphere as a result of this attack.

What was happening just before the attack - that was totally deflated and shut down?

For the first time in modern history, the political and corporate elite who have ruled the UK for decades are edging dangerously close to being removed by the people. A Labour government under Corbyn would completely jeopardise both their domestic and international plans which have been in full effect since the Thatcher era..... What has happened in Manchester is truly horrific and who's responsible for it will probably remain unclear for many years to come. One thing is for certain though, that this has come at an unbelievably ideal time for those in power and over the next two weeks the media will now be entirely focused on this terrorist attack and not the disastrous Conservative party campaign that was losing support daily. It will be entirely focused on using this attack as further proof of why we need a 'strong and stable' leader and not a man of peace with 'terrorist links'. It will be focused on the need to get behind the party that will take the fight to the Islamic state and not the party who want to reduce military action in the Middle East. It will be used as proof of why we need to invest in nuclear weapons instead of social care. Ultimately it will be used to further divide and conquer society and to try and stop the current progressive left uprising in its tracks. Don't let this tragic loss of innocent life be used as a campaign tool for the people who inflict so much misery on the world. We need to double up our efforts and remind people of exactly why we need a government committed to equality and peace, not warmongering and western imperialism because the lives of people both here and overseas are depending on it more than ever.

Wind
24th May 2017, 21:11
One thing is for sure... This wasn't the first nor it will be the last terror (possible false flag) attack in European nor US soil.

It is a campaign to instill fear into people's minds.

Also such big events can act as distractions from other major news stories as mentioned previously.

ktlight
24th May 2017, 22:11
Was Manchester Blowback?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzshxqhcfPk
"Streamed live 6 hours ago by RonPaulLibertyReport
The Manchester bomber greatly benefitted from the chaos and Islamist extremism that resulted from the US/UK "liberation" of Libya and destabilization of Syria using proxy Islamist forces. He travelled to both countries and reportedly even trained in Syria. Blowback?"

onawah
24th May 2017, 23:20
I saw this on Jay Pee's FB page. I don't know how to blow it up anymore, but it appears to be a Tumblr message and it says:

Controlled Explosion Carried Out
Greater Manchester Police have carried out a controlled explosion in the Cathedral Gardens area near Manchester Arena
GMPolice@ gmpolice
There will be a controlled explosion in Cathedral Gardens shortly if you hearing anything don't be concerned
8:30pm 22 May 2017 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pMaVvintIey1E3woMn1ykiMKMt-18JvrgYmHmDTUAbQZEQH2KMB9i2DFcjr5SGmp95tb=s87

Does anyone know if that can be faked?

Caliban
25th May 2017, 00:45
At the risk of offending, does anyone know if this was Real?

I know someone who says they're from Manchester said above that they know "friends of friends, children of friends" who were hurt or killed in this and I certainly respect you and your experience, but I gotta ask. 'Cause we've seen the same old pics and video of torn jeans and bandages with no blood, people running aimlessly, etc. What about that announcement in American English telling the people "everything's ok, nothing's wrong, exit slowly..." ?

Remember, Boston seemed real at first too. Of course, respect and love to anyone and their family actually harmed therein.

ktlight
25th May 2017, 08:27
Tony gosling re bilderberg 2017

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrqirylkgR8
"Streamed live 14 hours ago by Project Camelot
I talk with former BBC reporter now investigator, Tony Gosling about the upcoming Bilderberg Meeting scheduled for June 1st through the 4th in Chantilly, Virginia. We also talk about the recent so-called terrorist attack in Manchester UK...
..minor problem with sound at beginning..."

MOSTLY ABOUT MANCHESTER

Steviemad
25th May 2017, 09:27
The timing of this is very suspect, being that the Conservatives were losing ground in the election polls and they have been accusing Jeremy Corbyn of being a 'Terrorist Sympathiser', lets see how they play on that in the coming days.

Hervé
25th May 2017, 18:03
Crowds flee Ariana Grande concert in Manchester following reports of explosion; at least 22 killed and 59 injured - UPDATES (https://www.rt.com/uk/389266-manchester-arena-incident-police/)


RT (https://www.rt.com/uk/389266-manchester-arena-incident-police/)
Tue, 23 May 2017 00:07 UTC





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Updates (SOTT (https://www.sott.net/article/351748-Crowds-flee-Ariana-Grande-concert-in-Manchester-following-reports-of-explosion-at-least-22-killed-and-59-injured-UPDATES)):

The bomb killed 22 people (including an 8-year-old girl (https://www.rt.com/uk/389355-manchester-terror-victim-named/)) and injured over 50 others. In the immediate aftermath PM May suspended (https://www.rt.com/uk/389322-manchester-cobra-terrorist-attack/) her election campaigning to chair an emergency Cobra committee meeting. World leaders are sending in their condolences (https://www.rt.com/uk/389349-trump-manchester-solidarity-terrorism/). Putin reiterated that Russia is read to enhance cooperation with the UK in fighting terrorism, saying: "We resolutely condemn this cynical, inhumane crime. We expect that the masterminds who were behind it will not escape justice."

Manchester University scholar Dr. Hamed El-Said, terrorism expert, says this attack was carefully orchestrated (https://www.rt.com/uk/389353-manchester-terrorism-attack-security/):
"They knew exactly what they were doing. This didn't really happen overnight. They've been preparing for this for a while; this is a very large attack. It wouldn't have happened overnight," El-Said said. "There was definitely some planning because the scale of the attack was much larger than to be done spontaneously," he added.

The counter terrorism expert also warned that the attack might mark a move away from gun and knife attacks, such as the lone wolf attack in Westminster in March and those seen in Europe recently. "You have also to understand that this is different to the attacks that have recently been experienced in London, France, and Belgium, where individuals are carrying weapons and going into certain places and attacking and fighting until the end.

"We haven't really seen such a scale in the West in terms of suicide for a while now. I think that is one of the reasons, obviously, because they are always looking for soft targets. It was a very soft target last night, people having a nice time in the largest indoor arena in Manchester," he said.

El-Said pointed out that the attackers "chose their timing very carefully" to coincide with "when people are leaving, going to meet their parents, to pick them up and their parents were coming in. It was a perfect timing for the terrorists." RT has a timeline of the attack with videos here (https://www.rt.com/uk/389370-videos-timeline-manchester-attacks/). RT interviews a witness below:


[video at link (https://www.sott.net/article/351748-Crowds-flee-Ariana-Grande-concert-in-Manchester-following-reports-of-explosion-at-least-22-killed-and-59-injured-UPDATES)]


The suicide bomber has been named as 22-year-old Salman Abedi, but he hasn't been "formally identified" yet, according (https://www.rt.com/uk/389383-arrest-manchester-terrorism-suspect/) to Chief Constable Ian Hopkins. US media organizations ignored British police's request to keep silent on Abedi's name for the time being. Abedi was born in Manchester in 1994 to Libyan parents who reportedly fled Gaddafi. Abedi took a train from London to Manchester before the attack.

A 23-year-old man was also arrested today in connection with the attack, and poice have exercised two warrants (in Whalley Range and Fallowfield). Another man was arrested in the Arndale Centre, but isn't believed to be connected to the attack.

The Americans are working (https://www.rt.com/uk/389448-intelligence-mi5-manchester-attacks/) "very closely" with the Brits to investigate the attack. US Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats stated the following:
"ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attack in Manchester, although they claim responsibility for virtually every attack," he said in a statement. "We have not verified yet the connection. We spent a significant amount of time discussing threats to our respective homelands. It's a tragic situation that we see all too much of in countries around the world, particularly our allies. Once again, it reminds us that this threat is real, it is not going away and needs significant attention to do everything we can to protect our people from these kinds of attacks," he said. ISIS did claim responsibility (https://www.rt.com/uk/389393-isis-responsibility-manchester-terrorism/), but didn't give any details, so Coats's skepticism is justified at this point.

Some concert-goers are now complaining that security at the event was lax (https://www.rt.com/uk/389391-security-terrorism-manchester-arena/), which seems like a recurring complaint regarding this particular venue.

Predictably, anti-Muslim comments (https://www.rt.com/uk/389456-islamophobia-public-defends-muslims/) have been pouring in online, along with those coming to British Muslims' defense. President Trump's comment (https://www.rt.com/usa/389384-evil-losers-trump-manchester/) was perhaps the most memorable, and apropos. He simply called ISIS "losers":


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Ariana Grande is understandably shaken. She tweeted (https://www.rt.com/usa/389329-grande-manchester-reaction-panic/): "broken. from the bottom of my heart, i am so so sorry. i don't have words." And as if to confirm the stereotype of idiotic mainstream journalists, CBS contributor David Leavitt made a total fool of himself by mocking the victims and the attack on Twitter (https://sputniknews.com/europe/201705231053878613-cbs-freelance-columnist-mocks-manchester/). Bad form, Leavitt.

Update: Paul Joseph Watson has a video with eyewitness testimony suggesting that the bomber may not have been acting alone. One concert-goer saw a woman who appeared not to speak English fidgeting, looking anxious, and repeatedly smirking/looking in the direction from where the blast would eventually come.


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Update (May 24): Numerous media outlets are reporting Abedi had made numerous trips to Libya and is suspected of having been trained in Syria. See:

Manchester attacker linked to Libyan terrorists harbored by UK govt for decades (https://www.sott.net/article/351873-Manchester-attacker-linked-to-Libyan-terrorists-harbored-by-UK-govt-for-decades)
Manchester attack: Blowback for UK's support of terrorism in Libya, Syria and beyond (https://www.sott.net/article/351869-Manchester-attack-Blowback-for-UKs-support-of-terrorism-in-Libya-Syria-and-beyond)

The French Interior Minister even says he had "proven (https://www.rt.com/uk/389560-salman-abedi-manchester-terrorism/)" links with ISIS, and was known to both French and British security services. Abedi was allegedly associated with Manchester ISIS recruiter Raphael Hostey, killed in Syria in 2016. A school friend of Abedia says he returned to Manchester from Libya just last week (http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/05/details-emerge-about-libyan-born.html), after spending three weeks there.

Human rights campaigner and Labour peer Shami Chakrabarti (https://www.rt.com/uk/389561-labour-peer-conspiracy-theories/) appeared on BBC to call for calm and unity, and not "conspiracy theories".
"So if anyone is feeling panicked about the timing of this I would just urge them to be calm and united. I have colleagues who are great civil libertarians and human rights folk and privy councillors and I think it is possible to take this forward in a bipartisan way."

Her comments came after a Labour Party activist referred to the terrorist attack as "wonderful timing for [Prime Minister] Theresa May."

"What has happened in Manchester is awful and my thoughts are with the families. However I can't help thinking this is wonderful timing for Theresa May," the vice-chairman of Stroud's Constituency Labour Party, Debbie Hicks, wrote on Facebook.

"It is well known that politicians use events as part of their campaigns or messages."

Hicks later apologized for the crass comment but was suspended following the incident.

She wasn't the only one to speculate about the timing.

"Abhorrent what has happened in Manchester and it is revolting that Theresa May supporters are using this to attack Corbyn," tweeted a man named Sean McColgan.

"I can't help think events in Manchester will benefit May and the cranks who will vote for her, sadly," fellow user Sean Turner echoed. Indeed. And as for the conspiracy theories, they really are pesky, aren't they? Can't have anyone pointing out the decades of collusion between the UK and the very Muslim terrorists the public is so terrified of.

Footage has emerged (https://www.rt.com/uk/389549-police-explosion-manchester-attack/) of the raid on Abedi's home, shared with his older brother (the rest of his family haven't moved back to Libya).


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Home Secretary Amber Rudd slammed (https://www.rt.com/uk/389548-amber-rudd-terror-leaks/) US authorities for leaking confidential details about the attack, such as Abedi's name, the initial death tolls, and the identification of the explosion as a suicide bomb.

Three more men (https://www.rt.com/uk/389537-arrests-terrorism-manchester-bombing/) have been arrested in connection with the attack, bringing the total to four (footage and photos of the various raids here (https://www.rt.com/uk/389493-manchester-suspect-arrested-raids/)). UK authorities say he may not (https://www.rferl.org/a/british-police-search-bomber-accomplices-warn-imminent-attack-critical-alert-level-theresa-may-islamic-state/28505783.html) have been working alone.

And now for the predictable UK leadership response (https://www.rt.com/uk/389566-soldiers-deployed-terror-attack/): May warned that another attack is "expected imminently", ergo: a thousand troops are being sent to various high-profile locations, including Buckingham Palace, Downing Street, and Parliament. Called "Operation Temperer", it plans on deploying thousands of troops (up to 5,100 under police command). But the military itself was reportedly hesitant (https://www.rt.com/uk/389575-martial-law-operation-temperer/) about the whole thing, back when the measures were drawn up in 2015 after the Paris attacks, citing concerns about lack of personnel, morale, and difficulties knowing when to withdraw.

Update: Abedi's father told AP that his son had recently visited Libya, but that he believes his son is innocent (https://www.rt.com/uk/389604-father-salman-abedi-libya/), and his family didn't believe in killing. However, soon after this, former Libyan security official Abdel-Basit Haroun told AP that the father, Ramadan Abedi, was actually a well-known member of the anti-Gaddafi terrorist group LIFG during the 90s (his nom de guerre was apparently Abu Ismail). Soon after this story, both Ramadan and Salman's younger brother Hashem were arrested in Tripoli. Libyan officials said the brother knew about Salman's plans:
Hashem Abedi, an engineering student in Manchester University, "was aware of all the details" of his brother's plans to attack the arena, Libyan counter terrorism police (RADA) said in a statement. Hashem Abedi was arrested in Tripoli on Tuesday on suspicion of links to Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL).

In its statement, RADA said the 20-year-old admitted that his brother had links with IS and confessed that he himself was in Britain during the planning and preparation of the attack. RADA say Hashem left Britain on April 16 but was constantly in contact with his brother Salman Abedi prior to the terrorist attack. Back in the UK, police made their 7th arrest (https://www.rt.com/uk/389632-manchester-bombing-investigation-arrests/) in connection with the attack (6 men, 1 woman). One suspect was tackled to the ground by police with a "suspicious object", prompting a bomb squad to cordon off the area. Police are being tight-lipped regarding details. Interestingly, despite initial "lone wolf" statements, the police have advanced from considering the possibility of accomplices to more definite statements: "I think it's very clear that this is a network that we are investigating," said police chief Ian Hopkins. Usually the narrative shifts in the other direction.

On the other side of the Atlantic, the leaks are still coming. UK police have accused (https://www.rt.com/uk/389635-ny-times-bomb-pics-manchester/) the U.S. media of releasing even more information without their approval, this time photographs from the scene of the explosion showing what could be fragments of Abedi's suicide bomb. The photos (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/24/world/europe/manchester-arena-bomb-materials-photos.html) show shrapnel and what could be Abedi's backpack, detonator, and power source.
A former unnamed British intelligence chief told Newsweek (http://www.newsweek.com/british-and-eu-spies-criticize-american-blabbermouths-after-manchester-leaks-614322) that US sources were unreliable with sensitive information, claiming they "just blabbermouth it and it's really, really unhelpful." Update (May 25): One of Abedi's relatives had apparently warned (https://www.rt.com/uk/389686-mi5-surveillence-manchester-terror/) British authorities (specifically, MI5) about Salman, saying he was dangerous and thought suicide bombings were "OK". Five years ago, his friends even called Britain's anti-terrorist hotline about their concerns. Authorities didn't do anything about it (shades of Tamerlan Tsarnaev). Abedi is said to have called his family in Tripoli 15 minutes before the attack. Contrary to his father's claims from yesterday, friends of the family told the Times that Salman's father had been so worried about Salman's radicalization that he demanded his son move to Libya, and confiscated his passport (he returned the passport after Salman said he wanted to make a pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia).

Another family friend said Abedi fought with the Tripoli Brigade (https://www.wsj.com/articles/manchester-bomber-fought-in-libya-1495662073) in Libya in 2011 as a teenager. His sister says her brother was kind and loving, and speculated on why he may have carried out the attack:
"I think he saw children—Muslim children—dying everywhere, and wanted revenge. He saw the explosives America drops on children in Syria, and he wanted revenge," she said. "Whether he got that is between him and God." One of Abedi's friends was murdered in Manchester in May 2016 in what police think was a gang-related killing. However, the same family friend says Abedi say it as a hate crime:
and grew increasingly angry about what he considered ill-treatment of Muslims in Britain. "I remember Salman at his funeral vowing revenge," the Abedi family friend said.

Abedi became increasingly religious, family members said, and interested in extremist groups. A cousin, who declined to be named, said Abedi's parents worried he was headed toward violence.

"We knew he was going to cause trouble," the family friend said. "You could see that something was going to happen, sooner or later." Manchester police say the 8 arrests (https://www.rt.com/uk/389690-arrests-manchester-terror-hopkins/) they have made are "significant" to the attack, revealing items deemed "very important" to the investigation. The one woman arrested has been released.

UK police and officials are so furious (https://www.rt.com/uk/389655-uk-intelligence-sharing-us/) with their U.S. counterparts that they have stopped sharing information about the attack with them.
According to Reuters, the halt in sharing information with the US will remain in place until Britain gets assurances no further leaks will occur. "This is until such time as we have assurances that no further unauthorized disclosures will occur," a source, who spoke to Reuters on the condition of anonymity, said.

Speaking on Thursday, chief constable Ian Hopkins told media: ... "When that trust is breached it undermines these relationships, and undermines our investigations and the confidence of victims, witnesses and their families. This damage is even greater when it involves unauthorised disclosure of potential evidence in the middle of a major counter terrorism investigation."

The most senior US diplomat in Britain has also condemned the media leaks and called for the US government to take action to identify those responsible. "These leaks were reprehensible, deeply distressing. We unequivocally condemn them," Lewis Lukens, US charge d'affaires in London and acting ambassador to Britain, told the BBC. "The United States government is launching an investigation into these leaks and will take appropriate action once we identify the source of the leaks," he said. "We are determined to identify these leaks and to stop them."
...
Hours before the latest leaks were published in the New York Times, UK Home Secretary Amber Rudd said she had "been very clear with our friends that should not happen again," after the first set of leaks to the US press, which included details about the death toll and the bomber's name, which the police had not been planning to release at that stage.

A government source told the BBC the leaks were "on another level" and had caused "disbelief and astonishment" within the government.

The UK's National Police Chiefs' Council slammed the "unauthorised disclosure" and said it was a breach of trust that undermines a "major counter-terrorism investigation." Trump agrees (https://www.rt.com/usa/389709-trump-uk-leaks-investigation/):
President Donald Trump condemned the US intelligence agencies leaking information about the Manchester terrorist attack to the media and vowed to prosecute the culprits.

"The alleged leaks coming out of government agencies are deeply troubling," Trump said in a statement, released by the White House on Thursday.

"I am asking the Department of Justice and other relevant agencies to launch a complete review of this matter, and if appropriate, the culprit should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."

"There is no relationship we cherish more than the Special Relationship" between the US and the UK, he added.

avid
25th May 2017, 18:23
My initial response - a set-up, to put the 'globalists' back on track, to divert the unpopularity from May, but this may still backfire, as the Tories (globalists/banksters) are still so unpopular they could lose to the promises of tuition-free lives, so much so that loads more young people have now registered to vote.
The 'leaks'? A how-to guide for future bombers, this is a travesty of trust, we have duplicity in our midst, the police et al agencies lie constantly, they all have 'other agendas', so forgive me for squirting BS repellant over all mainstream tear-jerking vile pathetic fake-sympathies for these innocent victims of sheer greed.

Why have we been reduced to such simpletons, when with a bit of research, we can fend for ourselves?

angelfire
25th May 2017, 18:28
Her (Theresa May) projected image as a "safe and stable" leader was beginning to wobble but now she will be seen as the only politician capable of protecting us from such atrocities.
Job done.

I don't understand this logic... ?

I think, Morning Fox, that she will use this horrific attack to her own advantage by claiming that the Tories want to limit immigration and that a Corbyn led government would be too weak to prevent further attacks. This event was timed to deflect all that negative publicity she was receiving over the dementia attack, imho.

norman
25th May 2017, 18:38
There's always the possibility that Theresa May has been tricked by her higher-ups who feed the agenda to her.

They may actually want a Corbyn government for the next stage. I've never forgotten how heavily they promoted him for the Labour leadership in the first place. They even wheeled out Blair to attack him. That was a dead cert' for full coverage and his election.

Caliban
25th May 2017, 22:21
It's good to bear in mind that they can tell any, any, any story they want and it'll be believed by most people. The more intricate and involved, the better. His family warned of his tendencies... Was in touch with foreign agents of plotting cells... Authorities on high alert for more possible attacks... and on and on.

That's not very comforting and not a great road map but at the least it'll prevent us from making any huge and unnecessary detours. The best we can do is continue to try and wake up our brothers and sisters by posting "billboards" telling them -- DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN THING THEY SAY

onawah
28th May 2017, 21:31
Hospital official tells the Queen that they had a "practice" a month ago, and so it all went really well.
And the Queen asks the victims questions like "Were you able to enjoy the concert at least ?" as she meets the victims.
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avid
28th May 2017, 22:10
Pre-organised? The sycophancy is totally nauseous, I stand back from a lifetime of diminution, and see the light.
This was 'allowed', they knew its imminence, and politically could 'benefit' some party with connivance via bought-and-paid -for media. The corporate elite will stoop lower than the low to further their cause.
This election in UK could change this...?

Caliban
30th May 2017, 16:09
Here's some food for thought from HowIsee The World, a very good video guy who's done great work on Orlando and Sandy Hook:

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Cidersomerset
5th December 2017, 15:52
http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.21.31/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

Manchester Arena attack 'could have been stopped'

The Manchester Arena bomber had been a "subject of interest" and opportunities
to stop him were missed, a report says.

Its author, David Anderson QC, said it was conceivable the attack by
Salman Abedi in May could have been avoided had "cards fallen differently".

After the bombing, which left 22 people dead, and three terror attacks in London
this year, counter-terror police and MI5 conducted internal reviews.

The Met Police said better resources and infrastructures were needed.

The major internal reviews, which remain largely secret, are summarised in
Mr Anderson's report, and show:

read more.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42241344

Akasha
5th January 2021, 12:12
.....Human rights campaigner and Labour peer Shami Chakrabarti (https://www.rt.com/uk/389561-labour-peer-conspiracy-theories/) appeared on BBC to call for calm and unity, and not "conspiracy theories".[INDENT] "So if anyone is feeling panicked about the timing of this I would just urge them to be calm and united. I have colleagues who are great civil libertarians and human rights folk and privy councillors and I think it is possible to take this forward in a bipartisan way."

Her comments came after a Labour Party activist referred to the terrorist attack as "wonderful timing for [Prime Minister] Theresa May."

"What has happened in Manchester is awful and my thoughts are with the families. However I can't help thinking this is wonderful timing for Theresa May," the vice-chairman of Stroud's Constituency Labour Party, Debbie Hicks, wrote on Facebook.

"It is well known that politicians use events as part of their campaigns or messages."

Hicks later apologized for the crass comment but was suspended following the incident.

She wasn't the only one to speculate about the timing......

Debbie Hicks was arrested at her home (https://www.bitchute.com/video/cNwwQQmc80Cp/) for creating and sharing video content illustrating the empty nature of a nearby hospital (https://www.bitchute.com/video/CuJjllSQ2PmS/).

Click this Bitchute link (https://www.bitchute.com/video/VSuV6feSUbFk/) to watch her giving testimony of her ordeal.