The New World Religion - Is "Disclosure" becoming it ?

[norman]

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norman

[Red Skywalker]

I think the disclosure of the alien science should be the new world 'religion' because understanding it will also give understanding to spirituality.
In other words, the alien science is the physical science of spiritualty. You can build 'wonder machines' with it and you can understand what, why and who you truly are.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I think the disclosure of the alien science should be the new world 'religion' because understanding it will also give understanding to spirituality.
In other words, the alien science is the physical science of spiritualty. You can build 'wonder machines' with it and you can understand what, why and who you truly are.

Disclosure will be a distortion of facts, designed to manipulate the masses. Rumors say this happened before in human history when controlling ETs masqueraded as gods. Our challenge is to be self-empowered and not give our power away.

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[section9]

I think the disclosure of the alien science should be the new world 'religion' because understanding it will also give understanding to spirituality.
In other words, the alien science is the physical science of spiritualty. You can build 'wonder machines' with it and you can understand what, why and who you truly are.

Disclosure will be a distortion of facts, designed to manipulate the masses. Rumors say this happened before in human history when controlling ETs masqueraded as gods. Our challenge is to be self-empowered and not give our power away.

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Well said. The Corey Goode imbroglio is but one of the sure signs that TPTB have hijacked "Disclosure" as an alternative form of mind control. Excellent post.

When major "religions" have failed the Ruling Class? Let's grab ET and roll his little grey self out.

[norman]

Some blurb from the Lucis Trust DOT org about the New World Religion:


The New World Religion

The definition of religion which will in the future prove of greater accuracy than any yet formulated by the theologians might be expressed as follows:

Religion is the name given to the invocative appeal of humanity and the evocative response of the greater Life to that cry.


It is, in fact, the recognition by the part of its relationship to the Whole, plus a constantly growing demand for increased awareness of that relation; it draws forth the recognition of the Whole that the demand has been made. It is the impact of the vibration of humanity--oriented specifically to the Great Life of which it feels itself a part--upon that Life and the responsive impact of that "All-surrounding Love" upon the lesser vibration. Religion, the science of invocation and evocation as far as humanity is concerned, is the approach (in the coming New Age) of a mentally polarised humanity. In the past, religion has had an entirely emotional appeal. It concerned the relation of the individual to the world of reality, of the seeking aspirant to the sought-for divinity. Its technique was the process of fitting oneself for the revelation of that divinity, of achieving a perfection which would warrant that revelation, and of developing a sensitivity and a loving response to the ideal Man, summarised, for present day humanity, in the Christ. Christ came to end the cycle of this emotional approach which had existed since Atlantean days. He demonstrated in Himself the visioned perfection and then presented to humanity an example--in full manifestation--of every possibility latent in man up to that time. The achieving of the perfection of the Christ-consciousness became the emphasised goal of humanity.


Today, slowly, the concept of a world religion and the need for its emergence are widely desired and worked for. The fusion of faiths is now a field of discussion. Workers in the field of religion will formulate the universal platform of the new world religion. It is a work of loving synthesis and will emphasise the unity and the fellowship of the spirit. This group is, in a pronounced sense, a channel for the activities of the Christ, the world Teacher. The platform of the new world religion will be built by many groups, working under the inspiration of the Christ.


Churchmen need to remember that the human spirit is greater than all the churches and greater than their teaching. In the long run, that human spirit will defeat them and proceed triumphantly into the Kingdom of God, leaving them far behind unless they enter as a humble part of the mass of men. Nothing under heaven can arrest the progress of the human soul on its long pilgrimage from darkness to light, from the unreal to the real, from death to immortality and from ignorance to wisdom. If the great organised religious groups of churches in every land, comprising all faiths, do not offer spiritual guidance and help, humanity will find another way. Nothing can keep the spirit of man from God.


God works in many ways, through many faiths and religious agencies; this is one reason for the elimination of non-essential doctrines. By the emphasising of the essential doctrines and in their union will the fullness of truth be revealed. This, the new world religion will do and its implementation will proceed apace, after the reappearance of the Christ.




https://www.lucistrust.org/world_goodwill/key_concepts/the_new_world_religion1

[norman]

A snippet from Laura Eisenhower from last weekend.

I think I know how she meant it, but I can flip it right over and see the opposite just as easily:

MP3
https://app.box.com/s/xh1gvpmh43kz6qd1hme0f229u4na88e6

[Red Skywalker]

I think the disclosure of the alien science should be the new world 'religion' because understanding it will also give understanding to spirituality.
In other words, the alien science is the physical science of spiritualty. You can build 'wonder machines' with it and you can understand what, why and who you truly are.

Disclosure will be a distortion of facts, designed to manipulate the masses. Rumors say this happened before in human history when controlling ETs masqueraded as gods. Our challenge is to be self-empowered and not give our power away.



That kind of disclosure is indeed as you say. We never will be told how the Universe really works because when that is understood (and I am convinced that at least its mechanics can be understood, but not the crippled way as at this moment), you have no need for gods or other 'higher' masters and you see immediately the deceptions. So not the disclosure or believe in other world beings is the issue, it's the understanding of the Universe that should be disclosed, not as religion but as science and replacement for religion/belief to practical knowing.

I am afraid that understanding the workings of the Universe is still a long way into the future. Not that the information is not there, but is just kept into the dark.

So indeed: "Our challenge is to be self-empowered and not give our power away."

[Foxie Loxie]

Excellent point, Norman! :idea: Excellent discussion, guys! :highfive:

[Mandala]

If it becomes a new religion, prepare for war between factions. In the past many bad things have been done due to religious beliefs.

If you think people are asleep now, this will knock them out of their bed angry, fired up and ready to kill.

[Debra]

Awesome thread Norman! Great question. Glad to see you have taken it to start a deeper discussion and the responses so far are delivering just that!

Yes ... disclosure is being co-opted into a religion to keep the sheeple sheeple. Which keeps them down eating the grass that's being fed to them ... and not questioning.

Which begs the answer who is really running disclosure and how far will they go on their current course? What will that look like?

I am thinking we have already seen it in movies like the Hunger Games.

Furthermore, you have got to wonder whether we find out that the big 5 religions are behind the scenes of all this and still running these dog and pony shows?

[Foxie Loxie]

You can be sure the narrominded Christian fundamentalists aren't behind it...they simply state that anyone who has seen a flying saucer is being deceived by the Devil & to stay away from "those" kind of people! :sun: If there is something we are unable to understand, blame it on the Devil & go on with religion as usual! I know it's hard to believe it, but there are still a great many people who think this way. :facepalm: I speak from the experience I came out of! Now you all know why I LOVE Avalon & am so thankful for it! :Party:

[AutumnW]

This is what I follow on forums. I am interested in the potential for disclosure to kickstart a new fundamentalism. You can certainly see those roots firmly planted already, with Greer in the angel camp and David Icke in the devil camp.

The truth will evade us.

[norman]

The scariest part of contemplating the New World Religion dilema, for me personally, is that I don't know how much I can handle being acused of negativity by sun tanned bubbly people with 30 dollar T shirts on. One of them might yet turn out to be my own daughter, but she's not there yet, thankfully.

[PurpleLama]

The New World Religion was handed to the masses long ago under the heading of materialist science, in my assessment.

[Justplain]

So it appears the world has been warned to beware of an anti-christ presented as a saviour. The world has also been warned of a false flag alien invasion. The world has also been warned of being micro-chipped and having a cashless society.

In the same way, I think everyone is being warned about any new world religion. Certainly we know that the roman catholic church wants to be the church of the new world order. They have issued several statements about alien life, trying to wedge them into the catholic shoebox of original sin and the saviour.

As pointed out in an earlier post, materialism is the current 'world view'. If 'religion' is the 'world view', then newtonian materialism is the current paridigm. An alien presence in our world would stretch that view, especially if its admitted that interstellar aliens are here, implying that the known laws of physics arent correct, thus falsifying the current 'world view'.

Our spiritual 'world view' has to accomodate the fact that certain human individuals (ie. Babaji, eastern and western ascended masters, the real Jesus Christ, etc.), have achieved cosmic consciousness. That being the case, humans have the capacity to connect with the universe and need no religion to act as an intermediary. In that way, disclosure (false or perverted or honest) can not deter us from our direct connection with the Source.

[Flash]

If it becomes a new religion, prepare for war between factions. In the past many bad things have been done due to religious beliefs.

If you think people are asleep now, this will knock them out of their bed angry, fired up and ready to kill.

We already are in a religions war - Muslim vs Jews vs Christians, we are only lacking the Buddhists and Hindouists as main religions to be involved.

This actually is a religions war.

[Flash]

what they do not mention below is that the reappearance of Christ is not an individual. It is all of us. It is the energy that will infuse all of us. Christ is a consciousness, that may have been first infused in one individual, but not anymore. Now the reappearance of Christ is us, in the crowd, living the universal love ways.


Some blurb from the Lucis Trust DOT org about the New World Religion:


The New World Religion

The definition of religion which will in the future prove of greater accuracy than any yet formulated by the theologians might be expressed as follows:

Religion is the name given to the invocative appeal of humanity and the evocative response of the greater Life to that cry.


It is, in fact, the recognition by the part of its relationship to the Whole, plus a constantly growing demand for increased awareness of that relation; it draws forth the recognition of the Whole that the demand has been made. It is the impact of the vibration of humanity--oriented specifically to the Great Life of which it feels itself a part--upon that Life and the responsive impact of that "All-surrounding Love" upon the lesser vibration. Religion, the science of invocation and evocation as far as humanity is concerned, is the approach (in the coming New Age) of a mentally polarised humanity. In the past, religion has had an entirely emotional appeal. It concerned the relation of the individual to the world of reality, of the seeking aspirant to the sought-for divinity. Its technique was the process of fitting oneself for the revelation of that divinity, of achieving a perfection which would warrant that revelation, and of developing a sensitivity and a loving response to the ideal Man, summarised, for present day humanity, in the Christ. Christ came to end the cycle of this emotional approach which had existed since Atlantean days. He demonstrated in Himself the visioned perfection and then presented to humanity an example--in full manifestation--of every possibility latent in man up to that time. The achieving of the perfection of the Christ-consciousness became the emphasised goal of humanity.


Today, slowly, the concept of a world religion and the need for its emergence are widely desired and worked for. The fusion of faiths is now a field of discussion. Workers in the field of religion will formulate the universal platform of the new world religion. It is a work of loving synthesis and will emphasise the unity and the fellowship of the spirit. This group is, in a pronounced sense, a channel for the activities of the Christ, the world Teacher. The platform of the new world religion will be built by many groups, working under the inspiration of the Christ.


Churchmen need to remember that the human spirit is greater than all the churches and greater than their teaching. In the long run, that human spirit will defeat them and proceed triumphantly into the Kingdom of God, leaving them far behind unless they enter as a humble part of the mass of men. Nothing under heaven can arrest the progress of the human soul on its long pilgrimage from darkness to light, from the unreal to the real, from death to immortality and from ignorance to wisdom. If the great organised religious groups of churches in every land, comprising all faiths, do not offer spiritual guidance and help, humanity will find another way. Nothing can keep the spirit of man from God.


God works in many ways, through many faiths and religious agencies; this is one reason for the elimination of non-essential doctrines. By the emphasising of the essential doctrines and in their union will the fullness of truth be revealed. This, the new world religion will do and its implementation will proceed apace, after the reappearance of the Christ.




https://www.lucistrust.org/world_goodwill/key_concepts/the_new_world_religion1

[Foxie Loxie]

It's like the Dutch banker stated...it doesn't matter WHAT we're talking about...FOLLOW THE MONEY! :ROFL: Control & money seem to be The Game! He also stated that those "at the top" simply laugh at us little people because we don't even know what is going on! His story is amazing & sobering.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The New Religion is likely to be ushered into our experience with Project Bluebeam. When the control freaks start projecting holograms in the sky of famous religious leaders, along with instructions to follow a certain path, I wonder if many will see through the manipulation and go the other way.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

If it becomes a new religion, prepare for war between factions. In the past many bad things have been done due to religious beliefs.

If you think people are asleep now, this will knock them out of their bed angry, fired up and ready to kill.

We already are in a religions war - Muslim vs Jews vs Christians, we are only lacking the Buddhists and Hindouists as main religions to be involved.

This actually is a religions war.

Fighting over which religion is the most peaceful.

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[norman]

Destroying The Illusion (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVTRzCXvIbdK0Y1ZxD-BlA)

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Published on 24 May 2017
Here is an interview I did in Joshua Tree, California during the Contact in the Desert conference with Justin Deschamps of the Stillness in the Storm blog, one of the best information and current news sharing websites around.

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Oh waw, get these guys.

Social Justice Warriors are morphing into Spiritual Justice Warriors.

[Satori]

As I recall The Report From Iron Mountain, which was a so-called US think tank study from the early 1960s on ways to sustain world economic and social viability other than by means of war, concluded that one way to do this would be to create an extraterrestrial alien issue or threat. Recall the famous video of the speech by Pres. Reagan to the UN where he posits that an alien threat would unite us all. To call this global threat a "world religion" makes sense. I believe that as part of the agenda, rather than having numerous religions, so called, one religion could be fashioned based upon the esoteric, yet universally interesting, subject of aliens and UFOs. This approach would work well for the dumbed-down masses. They don't need to continue to divide and conquer us with religion as a tool, they will do it with little green men and women.

[norman]

Contact in the Desert 2017 - more young people - The Facebook push worked good.

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[norman]

Divine Frequency (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_jDPph3Bra-CXxPMrXfUYA)

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Jordan Sather Interview - Zeroing in on Disclosure

Published on 25 May 2017
Jordan (Destroying the Illusion) and Teresa (Divine Frequency) discuss Jordan's experience at Contact in the Desert. Learn about his philosophies on honing in on the currents that propel us towards full disclosure.

Get on the same wavelength


NOT SO FAST - Says Modwiz125 in his response to the above video
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[norman]

I've quoted myself from another thread here:

I'm kind of getting bored with just watching Goode. It's like watching a President when we should be focused on who's pulling his strings and orchestrating a whole slew of stuff instead.

My mind is scanning the scenario and seeing all sorts of aspects of something that includes the hybrids, the collapse of the liberal agenda in the US, the collapse of the MSM credibility, the strange unification of several big names in the field of UFO/ET 'talk' (I won't call it research), and on and on, more coming to light every few hours.

It's so crafty I have to assume that some kind of AI has done the initial planning [and insertion protocol].

Didn't I read here somewhere that there's a plan for a new world religion to be up and running by late 2017 ? if so, it looks like they are pretty much on target.

Owners & Founders of Contact In the Desert (CITD) Interview 2017

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Published on 21 May 2017
TURN UP VOLUME!!! Owners & Founders of Contact In the Desert CITD interview 2017

[norman]

Modwiz125 (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiZbWgd0yWivg9Mohpf4l-g)


Mystic Brew - Unity In The Community? Let's Talk

[ a response to the 1st video in the Dark Journalist series - The New Age Deep State ]


listen up for an exploration of the word kitsch and Wholistic v Holistic and a particulary gentle nudge forJordan Sather.........


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Published on 25 May 2017
A new series by Dark Journalist following the bigger story that lays behind his recent interviews with Bill Ryan of Project Avalon. The light is beginning to shine into some dark places and intial revelations may not be so pretty.

[norman]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V7Iti0mVYs8/hqdefault.jpg

“We have brought the world together as far as we can politically. To bring about a true world government, the world must be brought together spiritually. What we need is a United Nations of Religions.”

Robert Muller – Former Assistant Secretary General at the UN

[Bill Ryan]

... with Greer in the angel camp and David Icke in the devil camp.



Also: Corey Goode in the angel camp, and Tom DeLonge in the devil camp.

[AutumnW]

It's like the Dutch banker stated...it doesn't matter WHAT we're talking about...FOLLOW THE MONEY! :ROFL: Control & money seem to be The Game! He also stated that those "at the top" simply laugh at us little people because we don't even know what is going on! His story is amazing & sobering.

I just watched that video for the first time last night. It didn't surprise me. I figure the inverted value system he described was what Kubrick's movie, "Eyes Wide Shut," was about.

We, the "little people," get angry with each other rather than reflecting on who benefits from the aggressive or fearful impulse. Have you seen 'Gangs of New York?' Scorcese makes similar observations about the working class's angst being funnelled away from those who were taking advantage of them and towards newcomers.

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... with Greer in the angel camp and David Icke in the devil camp.



Also: Corey Goode in the angel camp, and Tom DeLonge in the devil camp.

Absolutely. They are following the ages old paradigm. They take human emotion and convert it directly to cash.

[Red Skywalker]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V7Iti0mVYs8/hqdefault.jpg

“We have brought the world together as far as we can politically. To bring about a true world government, the world must be brought together spiritually. What we need is a United Nations of Religions.”

Robert Muller – Former Assistant Secretary General at the UN

NO, we don't need a religion! That's the whole point.
We need TRUE understanding of the spiritual physics.

It was once teached as the needed science, but is abused and disformed to what we now call religions. Religions, thus the fake sciences, are still used for control/enslavement, etc.

Sacred geometry for example is a left over from the ancient science. There are only a few who now begin to understand why and how sacred geometry is the energyfield from which anything comes to existence. It is science, not belief, which gives way to practical work with the true forces of nature and the Universe.

I will never ever give my force to something I cannot grasp/calculate/build/use and understand. No beliefs for me, just the quest of true understanding.

For the good order:
You may belief in a god, but once you reach the final enlightenment, you probably just meet yourself. God is the sacred geometry field consciousness in action and IS you in exploration of yourself.

This is my personal opinion, and I live by that. Nobody can bring me from this without good and thorough explanation. But if, I always listen to pick up what I can use.

[norman]

http://images.christianpost.com/ipost/full/2283/false-bishop-swing.jpg?w=276&h=183
Bishop Swing

"An occult orientation and an anti-population stance, are, of course, standard requirements for any would-be citizen of the new world civilization."

[Foxie Loxie]

Bishop Swing is "swinging"! :ROFL: Hey, Red...I love your thought process! Too many of us have given away our power to too many "causes" in this lifetime! :thumbsdown:

[norman]

If you are interested in getting a good feel for what the 2017 Contact In The Desert event was really like, this follow up podcast by this mildly eccentric couple who had a trade stall there for the whole weekend is quite illuminating. Turns out it was pretty shabby in several ways including a considerable amount of theft crime and apparent drug taking. You may want to get straight to the nitty gritty later in the podcast or start from the beginning and meander through their retelling journey with them. After listening to it, I have a reasonably vivid impression of having been there, without the extreme exhaustion of 3 sleepless nights to worry about.

The Human Frequency (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9b3AwoGmiWk89OTfcCrswQ)


Contact In The Desert 2017 - The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

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Published on 24 May 2017
We have returned from this year's Contact In The Desert, and in the spirit of our 2016 review, we break down the adventure from start to finish. Being reporters as well as vendors at this event gave us a unique opportunity to observe both how our orgonite affected the event as well as what was said onstage. We deconstruct the narrative of the speakers, examine the results of our presence, and explain why spending four and a half days in the desert was worth it.

[Tam]

Hi. I have actually been beginning to wonder this. Not to sound like an obnoxious hipster, but like all good things, once it becomes mainstream, it is bound to suffer for it. I cannot help but wonder if the recent push for the 'normalization' of Disclosure is an effort to steer attention away from the root of our slavery. If the ants begin to stray from their line, make them form a new one by placing food somewhere else. I don't really have any solid theories yet as to who/what is behind this effort, and for what reasons, but I'm starting to become less and less hopeful of what Disclosure is becoming. That being said, I've noticed a (relatively) sharp increase in matrix scientific articles entertaining what would usually be considered esoteric subjects. Intelligent life on planets, the huge increase in the amount of star systems we very recently used to think exist, the possibility of FTL interstellar travel. Two more notable cases I recently found, are these. My apologies if the formatting is incorrect, this is my first time linking something, and I'm new to these forums.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/30/tech/earth-force-field-star-trek/


https://www.newscientist.com/article/2131889-weird-energy-beam-seems-to-travel-five-times-the-speed-of-light/


Now, you may ask yourselves why this subtle but distinct change in direction is important for those who may have noticed it, and to that, I throw this food for thought: what if this is all some kind of mise-en-place for Disclosure? Conditioning, in other words? Since it would be unwise to throw the collective awareness of humanity directly into the pool, perhaps these articles are symptomatic of what is basically the slow process of 'dipping us in', feet first? And if this is true, then here's another question to ask: is the source of this Disclosure also insidious?

Only time will tell. A few people are saying 2017 is The Year, but we've been saying that literally every year since 2012 at the very latest. It's certainly interesting, if nothing else.

[Tam]

Wouldn't be the first time governments across the world use false flag operations as tools of control. And given that we've been bred to be highly violent and fearful, I've a feeling this fabricated/twisted 'threat' would be all too effective.

[norman]

Here we go, pedal to the metal................


Divine Frequency (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_jDPph3Bra-CXxPMrXfUYA)

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Published on 27 May 2017
Data-Gathering and Discernment is paramount in the quest for Truth. Listen to Teresa's experience with following the testimony and journey of Corey Goode, which leads into last weekend at Contact in the Desert, where she got to hang with the crew. Also, learn about the exclusive interview she has next week with Stacy Goode!
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Here's how it all works folks
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[norman]

This video is EXACTLY how the New world Order/Religion is being pushed into place

Lady Gaga talks about evil and segregation



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I am incensed by the way she flips the whole thing right over, and even more incensed that the people swallow it hook line and sinker.

[ZShawn]

let's see if i got what people are laying down.....
we are an infinitely expanded, immortal being which, through some process we are still in dispute about,
became separated into these contracted individual awareness points who do not recall much about our ontology
and so we seem prone to fall for all manner of mythconception
which enmesh us into some form of further contracted status with accompanying obligations,
thus duties which seem to be the norm of the human experience in one guise or another...
however there are many versions of these disclosures which reel people in like so many fish
and people become genuinely convinced of whatever hook they have swallowed...
which leads in turn to many further disputes and contentions as individuals and groups vie for domination of the popularity wagon.
....
seems like it wouldn't make much difference what conceptualization dominated
people are bound in a realm of appearance regardless....so it may just boil down to which version is the most entertaining for all involved....
perhaps.....

[norman]

let's see if i got what people are laying down.....
we are an infinitely expanded, immortal being which, through some process we are still in dispute about,
became separated into these contracted individual awareness points who do not recall much about our ontology
and so we seem prone to fall for all manner of mythconception
which enmesh us into some form of further contracted status with accompanying obligations,
thus duties which seem to be the norm of the human experience in one guise or another...
however there are many versions of these disclosures which reel people in like so many fish
and people become genuinely convinced of whatever hook they have swallowed...
which leads in turn to many further disputes and contentions as individuals and groups vie for domination of the popularity wagon.
....
seems like it wouldn't make much difference what conceptualization dominated
people are bound in a realm of appearance regardless....so it may just boil down to which version is the most entertaining for all involved....
perhaps.....

Is it just me, or could that post be parsed out into a more structured form. If, and I'm guessing, you are eventually saying it's ultimately up to different people to choose different truths according to what best entertains them or nourishes their imagination or something along those lines, I disagree. I'm the type that believes the truth is the truth, it's factual, and it's there somewhere to be discovered if you work hard enough to discern it from the noise.

[ZShawn]

i agree to the idea of some form of absolute truth underlying the multiverse of infinite possibility, but how to discern, as we can clearly see, there are so may convinced beings each of which has this notion that they have seen the truth and they have a firm grasp on it, yet get any dozen such together and there is variance.....
curious, isn't it.....

[norman]

i agree to the idea of some form of absolute truth underlying the multiverse of infinite possibility, but how to discern, as we can clearly see, there are so may convinced beings each of which has this notion that they have seen the truth and they have a firm grasp on it, yet get any dozen such together and there is variance.....
curious, isn't it.....

I find the best way to deal with that is only worry about the progress towards truth that I'm making myself and let the other views fall into place where they may. I don't care how convincingly someone explains their "truth", if it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit.

Explaining my own "truth" is a little less ambitious because I only update on the progress I'm making.

[Foxie Loxie]

To me the sad part is that a child knows ONLY what he or she has been raised in... which accounts for much of the confusion we see in the world, to say nothing of what The Controllers are doing! :facepalm:

[ZShawn]

There is far more to this world than taught in our schools, shown in the media, or proclaimed by the church and state. Most of mankind lives in a hypnotic trance, taking to be reality what is instead a twisted simulacrum of reality, a collective dream in which values are inverted, lies are taken as truth, and tyranny is accepted as security. People seem to enjoy their ignorance and cling tightly to the misery that gives them identity.

Fortunately, some are born with spiritual immune systems that sooner or later give rejection to the illusory worldview grafted upon them from birth through social conditioning. They begin sensing that something is amiss, and start looking for answers. Inner knowledge and anomalous outer experiences show them a side of reality others are oblivious to, and so begins their journey of awakening. Each step of the journey is made by following the heart instead of following the crowd and by choosing knowledge over ignorance.

Knowledge is the key to unlocking our potential. It gives us the self-determination, responsibility, and power necessary to cast off the chains of covert oppression. Knowledge is therefore the greatest protector, for it also gives us foresight to impeccably handle the challenges of life and, most importantly, to sidestep the traps on the path to awakening. The more you know of higher truths and apply what you know, the more you begin operating under higher laws that transcend the limitations of the lower.

[AutumnW]

Two quick thoughts and hope I am not being repetitive. I have such a lousy memory, it might be the tenth time I've made this point.

You can pretty much tell how close people are to 'the truth,' by how often they use the word. The more they use it, the less they have.

Same with 'discernment'. The people who use this word the most, live in a self imposed, data free environment, where they commune with fellow nitwits in an idiot's echo chamber. All 'discernment, all the time,' means they are wishful thinkers engaged in cringe inducing self flattery.

PS--not referring to people on this forum. I am referring to gurus and wannabe gurus who constantly reference the 'truth' like Greer.

[avid]

Autumn, you are eloquent, manipulative, amusing and now -er- forgetful...... of your own 'bafflegab'
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1155715&viewfull=1#post1155715

[norman]

Two quick thoughts and hope I am not being repetitive. I have such a lousy memory, it might be the tenth time I've made this point.

You can pretty much tell how close people are to 'the truth,' by how often they use the word. The more they use it, the less they have.

Same with 'discernment'. The people who use this word the most, live in a self imposed, data free environment, where they commune with fellow nitwits in an idiot's echo chamber. All 'discernment, all the time,' means they are wishful thinkers engaged in cringe inducing self flattery.

If that sounds harsh, I am sorry.

Well, I'll argue that it takes all sorts as a team to get anywhere with this stuff. "Idiots echo chamber" is only what it says on the piece of paper left in the photocopier after the Christmas party.

It's actually a data free zone for a very good reason.

The same reason you don't find metal milling machines in the exective offices at Rolls Royce.

[norman]

This is what I follow on forums. I am interested in the potential for disclosure to kickstart a new fundamentalism. You can certainly see those roots firmly planted already, with Greer in the angel camp and David Icke in the devil camp.

The truth will evade us.



O ye of little faith, cmon. Let's get organised and get on with it. A good prioritisation shakedown would be very useful right now. Some things can wait longer than others. Some things are getting away from us in live time and they need urgent attention.

I think there are higher profile voices that need more info from deeper recesses than they are used to digging into in this kind of field. Daniel Listz was too dismissive of the stranger things he was referencing, for my liking. It weakens his case and his authority overall. Some well condensed info for him would help a lot.

Labouring over illogical counter arguments against fake whistlblower's stories is quite damaging. Like, e.g. Saying no one has ever reported an encounter with a space alien that the 'whistle blower' is only claiming has just turned up and does not abduct people. The kids on Youtube who hear that will just click on something else in a flash, and be gone and watching another sphere being alliance video in no time.

We have to be constantly aware that these keen youngsters really are well deep into believing the stories and have had little access to information that trashes the stories. They are at a party of dreams and they like the way it makes them feel. It even gives them a buzz to know there is an opposition they a whipping real hard in the ass.

[Justplain]

Indigris, you make a very good point about the increase in msm coverage of non-newtonian science. Topics include black holes, hyperspace, cloaking, quantum entanglement, teleportation, etc. Regarding life on other planets, i recall bill clinton being being quoted on a scripted late night show saying that (my summary) 'nasa has now found thousands of habitable planets in our galaxy'. This was followed by a similarly scripted quote by obama, again on a talk show, to a question from a young girl, that (my summary) 'we have not had 'DIRECT' contact with aliens'. So what was left implied by obama was the they HAVE had some kind of contact with aliens. All this adds up to a buildup to some sort of 'admission' that alien life exists.

Regarding a world religion, as pointed out by analysts of Sandy Hook, Ba'hai was attempted to be trotted out as the religion of reconciliation for that false flag event.

As Norman points above, and Dark Journalist aptly uncovers in his recent expose on ssp being used to promote disney type commercial exploitation, we can all expect that further 'disclosure' will likely be rigged to maximize commercial spinoffs, possibly be used as a fear mongering way to further deprive us of our rights, as a way to usher in greater corporate/fascist/militaristic control of the outer space domain, and as a way of ushering in a new world religion. The more we are aware of these ploys the better prepared we'll be to derail their insidious intentions.

[AutumnW]

There is far more to this world than taught in our schools, shown in the media, or proclaimed by the church and state. Most of mankind lives in a hypnotic trance, taking to be reality what is instead a twisted simulacrum of reality, a collective dream in which values are inverted, lies are taken as truth, and tyranny is accepted as security. People seem to enjoy their ignorance and cling tightly to the misery that gives them identity.

Fortunately, some are born with spiritual immune systems that sooner or later give rejection to the illusory worldview grafted upon them from birth through social conditioning. They begin sensing that something is amiss, and start looking for answers. Inner knowledge and anomalous outer experiences show them a side of reality others are oblivious to, and so begins their journey of awakening. Each step of the journey is made by following the heart instead of following the crowd and by choosing knowledge over ignorance.

Knowledge is the key to unlocking our potential. It gives us the self-determination, responsibility, and power necessary to cast off the chains of covert oppression. Knowledge is therefore the greatest protector, for it also gives us foresight to impeccably handle the challenges of life and, most importantly, to sidestep the traps on the path to awakening. The more you know of higher truths and apply what you know, the more you begin operating under higher laws that transcend the limitations of the lower.

Do you see Disclosure as part of this awakening or a trap, or just how could it manifest, in terms of a new religion?

[AutumnW]

This is what I follow on forums. I am interested in the potential for disclosure to kickstart a new fundamentalism. You can certainly see those roots firmly planted already, with Greer in the angel camp and David Icke in the devil camp.

The truth will evade us.



O ye of little faith, cmon. Let's get organised and get on with it. A good prioritisation shakedown would be very useful right now. Some things can wait longer than others. Some things are getting away from us in live time and they need urgent attention.

I think there are higher profile voices that need more info from deeper recesses than they are used to digging into in this kind of field. Daniel Listz was too dismissive of the stranger things he was referencing, for my liking. It weakens his case and his authority overall. Some well condensed info for him would help a lot.

Labouring over illogical counter arguments against fake whistlblower's stories is quite damaging. Like, e.g. Saying no one has ever reported an encounter with a space alien that the 'whistle blower' is only claiming has just turned up and does not abduct people. The kids on Youtube who hear that will just click on something else in a flash, and be gone and watching another sphere being alliance video in no time.

We have to be constantly aware that these keen youngsters really are well deep into believing the stories and have had little access to information that trashes the stories. They are at a party of dreams and they like the way it makes them feel. It even gives them a buzz to know there is an opposition they a whipping real hard in the ass.


The true purpose and intent of et, alien, inter-dimensional being's interaction with humanity will always either be obscure or suspected of being obscured. We won't ever know quite for sure what is going on. That is the central confusion of all the Abrahamic religions, too. The Great Deceiver, the Trickster, Satan, can appear as an angel of light, so the story goes.

It was necessary for Christ,(it seems) to try to set things straight by emphasizing the concept of love of our fellow man over all else. He took the emphasis off 'the devil' and confusions surrounding God and imitators.

I'm a bit of a Christian because I think Christianity can be a deep, mystical beautiful thing. It's far from perfect and has been abused and used to abuse, particularly during Medieval times. But the emphasis on love is a self correcting mechanism seeded into the New Testament.

I am worried that Disclosure will bring about something like a new Inquisition, where people could be held up to scorn or worse, for coming under the supposed spell (mind control) of alien species.

Disclosure could usher in a new Renaissance or open a Pandora's box of species memory and religious archetypes that could compel us to act in strange, hostile ways, to our friends, neighbours and countrymen.

We may not need any mind controlling aliens to propel us along a potentially disasterous path. Human nature will suffice!

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Autumn, you are eloquent, manipulative, amusing and now -er- forgetful...... of your own 'bafflegab'
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1155715&viewfull=1#post1155715


Thanks, I think??👹

[ZShawn]

Do you see Disclosure as part of this awakening or a trap, or just how could it manifest, in terms of a new religion?

life is a vast awareness test...and people are all afflicted with damnesia....
maybe it is like Alan Watts would say, we wanted to see how far we could lose ourselves in this dream state....it may be a lot of things.
disclosure is just a new trend.... used to have validity, until it became commercial thing, but like all valid experiences, when they go commercial they become a whole different creature...
that guy Paul in the new testament said the law was a tutor...... thinking on that line, knowing the whole book is a vast nested allegory, one can see that any system of "law", which is what religions are, are just a means to an end...which is just the beginning....
headhunters are endemic in this realm and death cults dominate, so could it be a trap....LOL what else could it possibly be... of course it is...what isn't a trap here, in one way or another.... how one navigates through it defines the experience and shapes the character....
and this all provides the background for the never ending story we are all entangled in...if we vanquished all the villains and overcame all the challenges...we would have to invent new ones or this place would have no point
maybe.... who can say definitively, all we have at best are speculations which we can share.....

[Justplain]

This universe is vast. The multi-verse is almost limitless. Our consciousnesses have a huge adventure ahead of us on the journey back to the Source. There does not need to be bad guys in order for us to learn or experience. The complexity of our existence is enough to keep us occupied until times' end.

Disclosure, true and honorable disclosure, is a natural next step in our eventual integration into the galactic amd cosmic community. We should embrace it with enthusiasm as it marks a definitive step on our way back home.

[ZShawn]

Disclosure, true and honorable disclosure, is a natural next step in our eventual integration into the galactic amd cosmic community. We should embrace it with enthusiasm as it marks a definitive step on our way back home.

I think that the reason for there to be a need for a thing like disclosure would be the damnesia we all suffer.... once we determine a cure for that we will no longer need to have disclosure by anyone on any matter....
then again
the most dangerous thing to the world powers are functional telepaths
no more secrets ...eh :wizard:

[Satori]

In post #22 on this thread I made a reference to The Report From Iron Mountain. What I neglected to add in that post was another important point that was stressed in that work. (Yes, some claim that this document is a fraud or a hoax, not unlike The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. I disagree. There is truth and pearls in it even if it is not what it purports to be.)

The point I refer to has to do with psychology and the functioning of perception and belief. The point is this: whatever the event is that we choose to put, or are being directed towards putting, our thoughts, time and energy into, does not have to be an actual event that occurred, is occurring or will occur in space-time. In other words, it does not have to be a "real" event that actually happened, is happening, or that will happen. The event, in its broadest sense, need only be perceived to be real. Once that occurs, the mind believes it to be true. Studies show that the mind will believe a lie as readily as it will the truth and it cannot distinguish between the two. We can and do fool ourselves. We are often fooled by others. The mind will accept as real, that is, believe, an event that it perceives to be real, even if it has not, is not, and will not come into being. It will also believe as false something that is true. This is where discernment, critical thinking and the like come in. These are tools to help us distinguish between truth and falsity, among other things. But these tools exist in our mind and are a function of how we use it, or not--individually and collectively.

The finer point is that an event need not actually be physically carried out in space-time. What only need be carried out, is convincing people to perceive and believe an event is real (or not real when it is). This can be done, and in my view is very frequently done, via modern technological means, primarily by means of computers, TV, movies, "News" and all form of media, and is happening in the digital world of virtual reality. Virtual reality is becoming, nay has become, the new reality. You do not have to build prison walls if people build their own walls and imprison themselves with their minds.

Consequently, in the virtual reality world, the logistical problems and costs that heretofore faced governments and corporations, such as moving machines and equipment, mustering man and woman power, and going to the expense, the time and energy of actually doing something can be avoided. Events, such as alien disclosure (pick your favorite topic or subject of interest to you), can be carried out in virtual reality, yet be believed by many to be true, even if it is not.

What power this gives those in apparent control over the masses. We must build a firewall for our minds.

[Foxie Loxie]

Well put, Satori! :highfive: It's like we have been living in a virtual reality ever since WWII; or possibly since after WWI. We have swallowed hook, line & sinker what has been handed to us. The majority of people are so busy with their everyday lives they have no time to really THINK, & see no reason to do so. It has been easy for the Handlers to control us, but I do think that is coming to a screeching halt. The Karen Hudes video I watched yesterday here gives one hope that there are those in "high places" who are also working toward putting a stop to this runaway train! :sun:

[Hym]

I read some of the posts here and see that people believe their own words of despair, as if they have no responsibility for their own hearing, even when they are fashioned by someone else who is manipulating them. I feel for you.

You know what that means, that phrase.,"I feel for you", but it is not an empathetic expression. I mean that you should feel for yourself, something that no one can do for you, as your words have wrapped themselves around your understanding of the physical entirety of your life, and they have almost removed the senses you have to feel for yourself, life itself.

Your words are not you, even when they come close to recording a truth about you, and as such when they, these words, pronounce you to be at a loss of your humanity and your reality, you give away way too much of your power. If for that reason alone I see only that you have bought into the despair that is being marketed to you as true.

Do not be affected by the illusion that is so transparent to some of us and easy to dismiss. The cloud of deceit, so prevalent in some of our discussions, deciphered all out of honest and needed intent, should always be a reminder to simply live those things that you love, those things that are not mechanical and that are sentient beyond thought and the simple complexities of the mind.



With nothing defined from the modern mind....
I spent my day in the quiet,
as that is the place where everything lives.


This essay would best be titled "Disclose This......Bi*ch"

The spell of the mythical abductors, the ones without heart who have never learned,
those who whisper into the souls of fools who would listen,
at once, they too will be gone.

As white men debate the origin of the darkness,
our native souls have known of them, those you call alien, and their transformations
from scale and skin-walkers to the dimensions and illusions of technology,
knowing full well that they all are still
the ugliest m****r f***ers ever created.

They know the truth that only homosapiens-sapiens blind themselves to,
as it is only a beautiful, heart-centered human who can hypnotize itself into seeing
the soul of someone so freaking ugly that they have to hide,
especially from themselves.

Creators, my ass!!!!
Even when the truth is revealed,
about the many endless years of genetic manipulations of humans,
we who can see, do truly see that
it surely wasn't those butthole-ugly f**ks who
made humans look the way they do today.
The truth that the hidden ones know is that the only thing left for them
is to try to make humans as ugly as they are, but only from the inside out.....
and this is the legacy they have left humanity to follow,
somethings not in the nature of humans
and their collective origins....
They leave despair, endless deceit, war and disease as the price
for their transfer of technologies,
when all along you could have looked for
and found those things from your own people.

Is there some hidden beauty you want that
they have hidden from you? Of course not.
Is there something better than the love you know,
or the amazing depths of the natural world
you have right outside of your door, in your city, on your land?

No, there isn't and outsiders share the same lack of soul that many of your worldly princes do, the film makers, the t.v.show producers with "cia whore" tatooted on their asses, the unimaginative ad men who try to sell you something you already have. They make films with blue beings as heroes, human-like in their expressions, guided by those with crippled minds thru artificial intelligence, creatures of the hidden agencies of the same darkness, reading your words looking for an algorithm to define the undefinable soul that is you, alive but not very well in the stink tanks of the corporate polit-bureau of a beast calling itself democracy.

......Do you even understand that they put it out to you that it is artificial and you accept that it is an intelligence, when it is completely void of the intelligence and wisdom that only the heart can have? The world they sell to you is not real. That is why they call it virtual, almost, not quite, reality and in your words you say it is real, when by their own words they tell you it isn't. Do you listen to yourself talk or have they taken your ears away in the process of their deceit?


Ever...
since we were seeded here
by their fathers, not ours, we have fought them,
fore our fathers are of pure spirit, made not of the lies and magical mists
we have learned to scorn for our sanity and survival.
They too will leave
and the ships faster than time shall come to us,
once liberated by our own doing....

Keep the simple things close to your heart,
as these are the true treasures,
revealed to us only in our living.

[norman]

Randy Maugans talks about the Crisis in the UFO/Disclosure community with Vinny Eastwood on the 14th of June 2017

Randy's view is interesting and even inspiring to listen to. The skype quality isn't perfect but it's very listenable.


My appearance on The Vinny Eastwood Show -06-14-17

Randy Maugans www.offplanetradio.com (http://www.offplanetradio.com) is consumed by a media war with assholes in the UFO community. The alternative media is shredding itself over the "Full disclosure now" UFO cult,

They're attempting a "fakeover", George Noory is stumbling off to stage left, David Wilcock needs a new act, Roger Ramsaur (reported by the Dark Journalist to be a satanist) is doing comic books and puppet shows,

There's a changing of the guard in the disclosure community!

It was Randy's viral post on Facebook that was leaked to the Corey Goode camp and discombobulated the entire universe. It also made Bill Ryan drag himself out of obscurity (after 4 years) to write an expose' on the blue Avian alien cult and Corey Goode.

"Corey's kids" is a marketing gimmick designed to bring young people into the UFO disclosure movement, using pop culture media like comics, CGI and other tools such as "Disclosure backpacks" full of goodness knows what goodies.

Even Jimmy Church is having a roundtable discussion tonight on this topic, asking the question: "Is the UFO community infiltrated?!"MP3
https://app.box.com/s/mxvg93fe2d9izlio1t98lmlr2t3yu2df

[norman]

"Basically a Cheesy Knockoff"

Corey Goode vs Dark Journalist my take


To Kommons (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe6kEBjsdVpue2AjPh0EhSg)
LQohQcy3yeU
Published on 8 Jun 2017

My take on the whole Corey Goode vs Dark Journalist controversy.

When I was saying C.W Sather I meant C.W Chanter

[onawah]

Well said! :bump::thumbsup:
I read some of the posts here and see that people believe their own words of despair, as if they have no responsibility for their own hearing, even when they are fashioned by someone else who is manipulating them. I feel for you.

You know what that means, that phrase.,"I feel for you", but it is not an empathetic expression. I mean that you should feel for yourself, something that no one can do for you, as your words have wrapped themselves around your understanding of the physical entirety of your life, and they have almost removed the senses you have to feel for yourself, life itself.

Your words are not you, even when they come close to recording a truth about you, and as such when they, these words, pronounce you to be at a loss of your humanity and your reality, you give away way too much of your power. If for that reason alone I see only that you have bought into the despair that is being marketed to you as true.

Do not be affected by the illusion that is so transparent to some of us and easy to dismiss. The cloud of deceit, so prevalent in some of our discussions, deciphered all out of honest and needed intent, should always be a reminder to simply live those things that you love, those things that are not mechanical and that are sentient beyond thought and the simple complexities of the mind.



With nothing defined from the modern mind....
I spent my day in the quiet,
as that is the place where everything lives.


This essay would best be titled "Disclose This......Bi*ch"

The spell of the mythical abductors, the ones without heart who have never learned,
those who whisper into the souls of fools who would listen,
at once, they too will be gone.

As white men debate the origin of the darkness,
our native souls have known of them, those you call alien, and their transformations
from scale and skin-walkers to the dimensions and illusions of technology,
knowing full well that they all are still
the ugliest m****r f***ers ever created.

They know the truth that only homosapiens-sapiens blind themselves to,
as it is only a beautiful, heart-centered human who can hypnotize itself into seeing
the soul of someone so freaking ugly that they have to hide,
especially from themselves.

Creators, my ass!!!!
Even when the truth is revealed,
about the many endless years of genetic manipulations of humans,
we who can see, do truly see that
it surely wasn't those butthole-ugly f**ks who
made humans look the way they do today.
The truth that the hidden ones know is that the only thing left for them
is to try to make humans as ugly as they are, but only from the inside out.....
and this is the legacy they have left humanity to follow,
somethings not in the nature of humans
and their collective origins....
They leave despair, endless deceit, war and disease as the price
for their transfer of technologies,
when all along you could have looked for
and found those things from your own people.

Is there some hidden beauty you want that
they have hidden from you? Of course not.
Is there something better than the love you know,
or the amazing depths of the natural world
you have right outside of your door, in your city, on your land?

No, there isn't and outsiders share the same lack of soul that many of your worldly princes do, the film makers, the t.v.show producers with "cia whore" tatooted on their asses, the unimaginative ad men who try to sell you something you already have. They make films with blue beings as heroes, human-like in their expressions, guided by those with crippled minds thru artificial intelligence, creatures of the hidden agencies of the same darkness, reading your words looking for an algorithm to define the undefinable soul that is you, alive but not very well in the stink tanks of the corporate polit-bureau of a beast calling itself democracy.

......Do you even understand that they put it out to you that it is artificial and you accept that it is an intelligence, when it is completely void of the intelligence and wisdom that only the heart can have? The world they sell to you is not real. That is why they call it virtual, almost, not quite, reality and in your words you say it is real, when by their own words they tell you it isn't. Do you listen to yourself talk or have they taken your ears away in the process of their deceit?


Ever...
since we were seeded here
by their fathers, not ours, we have fought them,
fore our fathers are of pure spirit, made not of the lies and magical mists
we have learned to scorn for our sanity and survival.
They too will leave
and the ships faster than time shall come to us,
once liberated by our own doing....

Keep the simple things close to your heart,
as these are the true treasures,
revealed to us only in our living.

[norman]

Andrew Basiago-Operation: Truth Movement

PART 1:
Randy Maugans (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZZY5qcEmnjon4KcNobVPgA)
Ins1TwPodmk
Published on 11 Jun 2017

OffPlanet Radio Special Report - Randy Maugans & Emily Moyer with Andrew Basiago , childhood subject of jump room and Tesla Quantum Access technology; Project Talent, and the Mars ARK projects, joins us for an extensive examination of the so-called "alternative media".
Website: http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/

In this, part 1, of a two-part, three-hour interview we break out the critical aspects of Truth Movement infiltration and subversion---and name the agents:
~The truth movement is threatened by subversion from within and without.
~. The truth is actively attacked by opinion makers in the mainstream media.
~Academic gatekeepers within the Truth Movement regularly attack truth tellers, misrepresent their testimony, suppress their testimony, and foment public disdain for truth tellers.
~Synthetic activists working for the US intelligence community steer the Truth Movement toward ineffectual outcomes.
~Synthetic scholars contrive false claims and inconsequential research priorities.
~Synthetic experiencers dilute the force of and confuse the public about real experiencers.

We discuss the standards by which all information should be presented, assessed, and critiqued; how COINTELPROL Ops have been in effect since the advent of independent internet media; and how gatekeepers are installed to prevent genuine research and investigation.
PART: 2

IdMUg6RCTYE
Published on 16 Jun 2017

OffPlanet Radio Special Report - Randy Maugans & Emily Moyer with Andrew Basiago , childhood subject of jump room and Tesla Quantum Access technology; Project Talent, and the Mars ARK projects, joins us for an extensive examination of the so-called "alternative media".
Website: http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/

In this, part 2, of a two-part, three-hour interview, we go into the mechanics of alternative media subtrefuge. How key figures, positioned in the media outlets, deploy tactics to obscure, discredit, undermine, and destroy legitimate inquiry into extraordinary narratives of disclosers---while inserting their own false personae and highly crafted stories to generate confusion and disbelief.

~Discuss the motives and tactics of Major Ed Dames, Linda Moulton Howe, Richard C. Hoagland, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy/Project Camelot; David Wilcock, Michael Bara, Richard Dolan, Alexandra Bruce...
~Fake Supersoldiers, character assassins; Michael Hemmingsom/Former White Hat Operative and the Idylwild Group: The Idylwild Group:
Bill Ryan
Kerry Cassidy
Michael Hemmingson
Richard C. Hoagland
David Wilcock
Sean David Morton
James Casbolt
James Rink

The Colbert Report ambush; Tory Smith and Alexandra Meadors, incredible slander and vicious accusations.
~Fake persona operatives and fake deaths: Michael Hemmison,
Max Spiers, Tory Smith
~Hidden pasts, fake names, and false claims; wordsmithing and semiotic manipulations

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, Norman! The truth IS weirder than fiction!! :faint2:

[norman]

"Michael [Salla] and I are now allies and we are going to work together" - Andrew Basiago


"He's focused on that school of historiography that everything has to be written down to be believed" - Andrew Basiago (on Jim Marrs)

[AutumnW]

Do you see Disclosure as part of this awakening or a trap, or just how could it manifest, in terms of a new religion?

life is a vast awareness test...and people are all afflicted with damnesia....
maybe it is like Alan Watts would say, we wanted to see how far we could lose ourselves in this dream state....it may be a lot of things.
disclosure is just a new trend.... used to have validity, until it became commercial thing, but like all valid experiences, when they go commercial they become a whole different creature...
that guy Paul in the new testament said the law was a tutor...... thinking on that line, knowing the whole book is a vast nested allegory, one can see that any system of "law", which is what religions are, are just a means to an end...which is just the beginning....
headhunters are endemic in this realm and death cults dominate, so could it be a trap....LOL what else could it possibly be... of course it is...what isn't a trap here, in one way or another.... how one navigates through it defines the experience and shapes the character....
and this all provides the background for the never ending story we are all entangled in...if we vanquished all the villains and overcame all the challenges...we would have to invent new ones or this place would have no point
maybe.... who can say definitively, all we have at best are speculations which we can share.....

That is a great response. Thanks so much for taking the time. I am inclined to agree with you! It could be that the closer we get to a small piece of the truth about et contact, it's real nature and spiritual implications, the more it begins to morph along different lines. That, plus our own inadvertent capacity to cloak reality with commercialism and or drama or wishful thinking, might play a role.

The other thing to consider (and this might just be a loose kind of 'universal law' we are being slowly introduced to) -- we may only be able to have close contact with beings who mirror our own collective morality and integrity. The rough part here would be suffering the consequences of contact with beings who are more intellectually advanced but otherwise just like us! What a horror that could be.

[norman]

Thanks, Norman! The truth IS weirder than fiction!! :faint2:

I'm not sure how much of that really was the truth.

Foxie, I'm wondering if we should reconsider that old saying. Now they can do things with computers, fiction can get as weird as they want it to be.

[Gemma13]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdMUg6RCTYE


@ 41:00 Kerry [Cassidy] was badgering me so severely that I actually screwed up in what I was saying and I said “well that’s not true you just said, made me say something that’s not true”. And I stopped the filming and asked them to recap that question. I know what badgering is because I’m a trial lawyer, it’s my profession okay, I know what evidential objections are as well, her interview style was not fair . . .


You don’t think its fair, to interview like a polygraph when interviewing someone is all you’ve got, when they claim they’ve been to mars and back!

And this guy wants to run for president . . . seriously . . .

[Foxie Loxie]

@ Norman....How can anyone EVER know who is telling the truth & who is not?! :confused: I think of Bob Dean & the interviews Bill & Kerry did with him. He explained how he was taken somewhere for a period of a couple weeks(I think), but when he got home found he had only been gone for minutes! How I treasure the pioneering work Bill & Kerry did which opened many eyes to many things! We all grow & progress over a lifetime; we learn new lessons. I can totally understand how Bill would have tried to make the best of his first interview with CG. It wasn't that he was setting him up to cut him down later; it was a logical procession of learning, as we all do, hopefully! :sun:

However...because of the events of his own life, AB sees things in the light of his own experiences ONLY. He was very much on the defensive trying to prove that he was a decent human being & did not deserve to be treated with disrespect by the UFO community. I take his point there & I think we Avalonians also agree that each of us deserves to be treated with respect. I assume part of the reason Bill & Kerry split up was because of a difference in manner of operation. We each grow & develop along different paths & sometimes those paths diverge. That in itself is not "bad"; we each need to be mature enough to recognize another person's worth, even though their mode of operation might be different from ours. I'm sure none of us want to descend to the level of simply, namecalling. Bill has done a great service in uniting with DJ to help steer this leaky vessel on its path; it IS an ongoing journey! In my opinion, AB's outburst is simply the next step in this ongoing situation. I am SO thankful for all I have learned here on Avalon & in no way could ever repay my debt to Bill for starting this forum. In this world today it is such a relief to be able to have exchanges here where one CAN expect to be treated with respect. In Avalon we have a HUGE treasure! Thanks, Bill! :bearhug:

[Bill Ryan]

Re Andy Basiago, he's the nicest person. But in my very strong informed opinion, he's definitely had his mind messed with.

I was the first person he ever told his story to, in Feb 2007, in an unrecorded 4 hour phone call. He told me at length about Project Pegasus: the child teleportation stuff. He was unable to offer proof of anything, but listed a whole bunch of detailed names and places. That was all he talked about. (And, I have to say, very interesting it was, too.)

In 4 hours, he never once mentioned Mars.

I’m as sure as I can be that he never had anything like that in his mind then.

The significance of this is that his Mars story all came later. He’s been interfered with, to


discredit any real Mars whistleblowers (and I think there have been one or two real ones, e.g. Arthur Neumann/ ‘Henry Deacon’ and RDW (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85998-A-new-Mars-witness-never-published--and-a-real-one-this-time-), an early contact of Bill Hamilton; and,



discredit his own Pegasus story.

Andy almost certainly hijacked the term ‘Jumproom’, which he always uses, from my video conversation with David Wilcock called Jumproom to Mars (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMwJmIRF7ZE).

I actually invented the term ‘Jumproom’ myself.

Before that, the word was unknown. According to ‘Henry’, the device, which has one ‘terminus’ at and is operated by the NRO at RAF Menwith Hill, in North Yorkshire, is really called ‘The Corridor’.

On our 2010 TV show, an unpublished scene was Andy’s arranged on-camera meeting with LA body language specialist Dr Lillian Glass (https://www.drlillianglass.com). She’d never heard of the Secret Space program, or anything like it, but was totally game, and a really high quality person.

Andy recounted his Mars ‘Jumproom’ story, thanked her sincerely for listening, and then left the room. Lillian was flabbergasted. It was hilarious. :)

She told us and the camera: (my paraphrase from memory, but I have the audio transcribed in archive)



“Well, I don’t know what happened to him, but he absolutely believes he’s telling the truth.”
And I do think he believes everything he thinks he remembers. But some of those 'memories' are NEW, post Feb 2007.

In that day of filming, I sat with him at lunchtime for 45 minutes and explained very carefully, kindly, and politely, why I thought he had been messed with. He listened with great courtesy. He had the greatest difficulty understanding what I was trying to say.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, Bill! It is good to know what your early experiences with him were! It is very sad to think that we cannot even trust our own memories! :facepalm: As I understand it, some of these "20 & Back" individuals report that even though their minds have been wiped, at times the memories bleed through or they might have nightmares bringing back what has happened to them. The same with abductees. Not many of us have the time & experience put into this subject as have you. Up close & personal is a great advantage in being able to understand this entire phenomenon. I'm wondering about the experiences of Dan Burish? I think of the term "Breakaway Civilization" that Richard Dolan started. Your "Jumproom" term was also picked up in the same manner & used to explain a phenomenon none of us could even begin to understand! Those of us on Avalon are most fortunate to have access to all sides of many issues which allows us to pick through the evidence & draw our own conclusions. Mil Gracias, Bill!!! :bearhug:

[Mike]

I listened to that Basiago interview yesterday, the latest with Randy Maugans..and it was so silly that I found myself getting embarrassed for everyone involved.

Poor Andy. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way. I really feel bad for him. He is staggeringly naive.

He's in full on victim mode here. He is very, very windy..but actually rarely says anything of any real value. He just spends a ton of time attempting to justify his position while offering nothing, NOTHING in the way of evidence or verification.

Oh my...at one point he's threatening litigation against someone (Hoagland maybe, can't recall. He does this a few times during this rant..for defamation) and says that (I'm paraphrasing) the lawsuit would be an easy one because all he'd have to do is give his Mars jumproom presentation in court and that would win him the case:facepalm:

To me he comes off as a pathetic character, someone who needs a hug and some caring guidance. At one point, during his woe is me rant, he describes how he was genuinely surprised and hurt that his appearance on "The Colbert Report" was arranged as a spoof piece.....even though it's a comedy/parody show that quite literally has never done a serious piece on *ANYTHING*. Colbert, for those that don't know, played a *fictional* talk show host on that show LOL...a profoundly and obviously silly one at that! Andy admitted that he knew this, but was *STILL* surprised that he was presented like this:facepalm: And instead of pointing out the obvious, Randy chimed in with some asanine comments to do with Colbert being a groomed disinformer or something goofy like that. It was just embarrassing.

Oh, and Bill and Kerry are government operatives, says Andy. Are you aware that you're an operative Bill???:ROFL:

[Bill Ryan]

he describes how he was genuinely surprised and hurt that his appearance on "The Colbert Report" was arranged as a spoof piece.....even though it's a comedy/parody show that quite literally has never done a serious piece on *ANYTHING*. Colbert, for those that don't know, played a *fictional* talk show host on that show LOL...a profoundly and obviously silly one at that! Andy admitted that he knew this, but was *STILL* surprised that he was presented like this :facepalm:

Here: (OMG)


http://cc.com/video-clips/s190yi/the-colbert-report-this-changes-everything---obama-s-martian-gayness

:focus:

[Satori]

I had a lengthy telephone conversation with A. Basiago a week or so after the 2004 pResendential [s]election. I spoke to him by phone once again 2-3 years later. The first call was about 3 hours. The second about ten minutes.

He called me on both occasions. He had been referred to me by a client of mine, Ernest Garcia, who was himself a victim of secrect, non consensual LSD and other mind control and super soldier stuff immediately following WWII while he was in the USArmy. Basiago was convinced that Ernest was one of the guards assigned to watch him at times when Basiago was going through the alleged teleportation and other off-book activities as a child in the 70s as I recall. (Ernest later told me that he was not the guard and that he did not want to talk to AB.)

The reason for AB's call to me was to see if I would lead a challenge in New Mexico to Bush's win in 2004. Long story short I declined, but he raised some valid points. Also, his command of legal principles and his presentation of his case was that of a reasonably competent lawyer. It was not long, however, before he changed the subject to Ernest being his guard, which in turn led to AB talking for about 2 hours about his childhood, his father's connection to black ops, teleportation, Lamy (New Mexico), Rumsfeld having shown him video of the Twin Towers collapsing by bringing the video from the future back to the mid-70s and showing he and his father.....

I have a post on this forum from several years ago providing a bit more detail and my impression of him. (If I knew how I'd copy it here.) In short, at that time he seemed to have convinced himself of the truth of what he says and he had a story with a great bit of detail. He was either spinning a yarn on the fly with great confidence and conviction, or it is his reality...or he thinks it is.

[Bill Ryan]

I have a post on this forum from several years ago providing a bit more detail and my impression of him. (If I knew how I'd copy it here.)

Here it is:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2365-New-Andrew-D.-Basiago-Radio-Interview&p=77482&viewfull=1#post77482

~~~

I have had two telephone conversations with Andrew Basiago. The first was just after Bush "won" the 2004 pResdential [s]election and the second a few years later when he came to New Mexico to try to determine whether his memories of being teleported (or whatever the term is) to Santa Fe, NM, as a child are real or false memories. I spoke to him for about two hours the first time. Only a few minutes the second time.

Bill, if you remember and deem it worthy of your time, ask Andrew if he recalls calling a lawyer in Albuquerque, NM, USA, who was referred to him by Ernest Garcia. Then ask him about Ernest Garcia. (I am that lawyer.) The story of Ernest Garcia is fascinating.

Although when Andrew called me the first time in late 2004 about the possibility of my launching a challenge in New Mexico to Bush's election results, we soon got to talking about Ernest, which then led to Andrew sharing with me at great length his experiences as a child. As I recall his father worked in some black op for the Fed and in that program Andrew would be teleported from back East to Santa Fe NM, usually to the front of the capitol building in Santa Fe, or to the PERA building near by. He also talked about Lamy, NM, which is near Santa Fe. He shared with me that on one occasion when he was teleported to Santa Fe, he buried a toy in the ground near Lamy so that when he was older he could return to that location and dig the toy up to prove that his memory was not false, but real. As I understand it, when Andrew was in New Mexico a few years ago (when he called me the second time) he was here to return to places like Lamy to dig up old toys and such seeking, and I think hoping, to verify his memories.

I recall that when I asked him about the technology involved to make teleportation possible, I expected him to rattle of a name like Einstein. But he did not. He said Tesla, Nikola Tesla. I had never heard of Tesla until my conversation with Andrew that day. Since then I have made it a point to look into Tesla.

He also spoke of Donald Rumsfeld being present when he, Andrew, was teleported to Santa Fe in the 1970s. He mentioned that Rumsfeld would have lunch with Andrew and his father and he emphasized a particular waitress that served them. He also spoke of Rumsfeld time/space traveling too and that Rumsfeld, in the 70s, had film or video of the WTC center collapsing on 9/11. Rumsfeld brought this footage from 2001 or so back to the 70s. I recall Andrew mentioning being with Rumsfeld and with other kids about Andrew's age in the basement of a building in Golden, New Mexico. Golden is along the Tourgoise Trial in NM, near Santa Fe.

The clear implication from what Andrew was telling me vis-a-vis Rumsfeld is that the PTB know the "future" because they have been there and back and travel to and fro. The PTB often seem so self-assured because they are. Their hubris comes from knowing (or thinking they know) what lies ahead; according to what I gathered from Andrew.

I was so intrigued by what Andrew was telling me that I found myself taking notes; which is my habit anyway. I kept these notes for awhile, but tossed them a year or so ago. I do not recall that he said anything about going to Mars when we spoke, but that does not mean anything one way or the other. There was a lot he did not share with me.

I found Andrew's story to be incredible; not in the sense of not credible, but in the sense of very hard to believe. However, everything he said had an internal cohesiveness and consistency. To me, what he was telling me was (is) either the truth as he sincerely understands it, or he was (is) a con man with a very good memory and a well-rehearsed script.

But, to quote Jerry Spence (I think): "I'd rather have a mind open to wonder, than one closed by belief." My mind is still open to Andrew Basiago.

[Spellbound]

Religion was developed as a means to control the masses.

Dave - Toronto

[Satori]

Thank you Bill. You're tops.






Mod how-to tip from Bill: I found the post by entering your username + the (probably rare!) search term 'Basiago'. That generated two results: your post of yesterday, and the one from Dec 2010.

I then copied the post to this thread (which mods can do), changing the timestamp. If you'd found it, you could simply have copied the text and pasted it as a new post, checking that all links were preserved.

[norman]

Get your questions ready for Corey Goode !

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[Bill Ryan]

Get your questions ready for Corey Goode !



Well, a couple of dozen (at least!) can be generated from this. This is the first time I've made this public.


http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan's_replies_to_Corey_Goode's_response.pdf

This is a 16 page, 5300 word document (though a lot of the words are Corey's) in which I reply in fully referenced detail to his responses to my original The Truth About Corey Goode (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1148567&viewfull=1#post1148567) piece. One friend who read it described it as 'damning'. (And, it is.)

I sent it last week to Justin Deschamps, from Stillness in the Storm (http://stillnessinthestorm.com). He had earlier asked me for my rejoinder.

I had to send it to him twice. He acknowledged it the second time. However, as best I know, he's so far opted NOT to publish it. (But, maybe I'll be wrong: he may simply be busy, and I genuinely hope that's the reason. It wouldn't look all that good for his partiality if my detailed response were to be withheld, after he'd actually asked for it.)

***

A separate matter: not included in this document is a Skype reference I found yesterday from Corey, to me, in Oct 2014, where he'd copied a friend's message to me — in which his friend ('Kevin') had quoted back what Corey had told him his IT capability actually was.

His friend (who for various good reasons, too long to include in this post, appears with a high degree of probability to be convicted 'ethical hacker' Kevin Mitnick (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Mitnick)) wrote to Corey, copied and shared by Corey with me:



"I know you said your knowledge is limited to IIS Application Hosting, Hardware and Software Network Virtualization."
Those long words sound impressive to non-geeks, but that's actually pretty low level. Certainly no 'expert'. He'd be stretched to earn a high five-figure income from that, let alone a high six-figure one, as he's publicly claimed. That then generates one or two more questions, too.

[waskosky]

A separate matter: not included in this document is a Skype reference I found yesterday from Corey, to me, in Oct 2014, where he'd copied a friend's message to me — in which his friend ('Kevin') had quoted back what Corey had told him his IT capability actually was.

His friend (who for various good reasons, too long to include in this post, appears with a high degree of probability to be convicted 'ethical hacker' Kevin Mitnick (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Mitnick)) wrote to Corey, copied and shared by Corey with me:



"I know you said your knowledge is limited to IIS Application Hosting, Hardware and Software Network Virtualization."
Those long words sound impressive to non-geeks, but that's actually pretty low level. Certainly no 'expert'. He'd be stretched to earn a high five-figure income from that, let alone a high six-figure one, as he's publicly claimed. That then generates one or two more questions, too.

It simply isn't hard to reach 6 figures in the right locations with the right IT specialties. And it seems relatively established that "virtualization has been hot for a while" (TechRepublic)


http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-hot-areas-of-expertise-for-it-specialists/
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/virtualization-engineer-salary-SRCH_KO0,23.htm


Most of the people I've met in IT / Software areas who I knew made 6 figures were just doing something specialized for a company that was itself making a lot of money, with higher management not directly knowledgeable in the specialized areas, and so the people they hire didn't need to be unusually impressive people in any way except for demonstrating some specialized knowledge.

Some of these response-response points feel like grasping at straws still, but many of them seem clearly legitimate, it is the underwhelming total weight of this evidence against Corey that still troubles me. I don't think calling anyone a "liar" so assuredly is ever the right move in this field. As you mention, memory errors are still a possibility and can indeed explain various mistakes, but needing to fall back on calling even memory issues a form of "lying" is not very tactful in bringing people together, especially when those people are newcomers to ufology research and having trouble finding a proper footing, often through seeking out enlightened (sounding) voices.

I personally had such a fuzzy memory of the Dane Tops interview where you stated you were experienced with an "offshoot of the original Church of Scientology" that in my mind I had associated you with Scientology quite strongly, not remembering the details of the relationship or how closely their beliefs would have matched with yours. I personally would not have ever brought it up without looking more closely for the facts, but not everyone can be expected to adhere to the same standards of research, and sadly mistakes seem inevitable for that reason.

[norman]

David Wilcock - Contact In The Desert 2017



IWHyrvFODb8
Published on 17 Jun 2017

[3(C)+me]

I listened to that Basiago interview yesterday, the latest with Randy Maugans..and it was so silly that I found myself getting embarrassed for everyone involved.

Poor Andy. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way. I really feel bad for him. He is staggeringly naive.

He's in full on victim mode here. He is very, very windy..but actually rarely says anything of any real value. He just spends a ton of time attempting to justify his position while offering nothing, NOTHING in the way of evidence or verification.

Oh my...at one point he's threatening litigation against someone (Hoagland maybe, can't recall. He does this a few times during this rant..for defamation) and says that (I'm paraphrasing) the lawsuit would be an easy one because all he'd have to do is give his Mars jumproom presentation in court and that would win him the case:facepalm:

To me he comes off as a pathetic character, someone who needs a hug and some caring guidance. At one point, during his woe is me rant, he describes how he was genuinely surprised and hurt that his appearance on "The Colbert Report" was arranged as a spoof piece.....even though it's a comedy/parody show that quite literally has never done a serious piece on *ANYTHING*. Colbert, for those that don't know, played a *fictional* talk show host on that show LOL...a profoundly and obviously silly one at that! Andy admitted that he knew this, but was *STILL* surprised that he was presented like this:facepalm: And instead of pointing out the obvious, Randy chimed in with some asanine comments to do with Colbert being a groomed disinformer or something goofy like that. It was just embarrassing.

Oh, and Bill and Kerry are government operatives, says Andy. Are you aware that you're an operative Bill???:ROFL:

Oh Mike.. Mike.. Mike.. you are soooo funny!
I would say thank you for saving me a few hours that I could use in a more productive way but
I don't think I would have listened anyway.
I think I am so over whistleblowers and no more reports from Mars.

[Foxie Loxie]

What is sad for me is that with all that is happening in the current situation, the genuine "whistleblowers" are like the babies being thrown out with the bathwater. Are we to assume Bob Dean was lying in his testimony? What I would look at is this; how much money is a person making off a story they are telling. :cash::cash:

It appears that the disinfo crowd is winning the game of trying to keep us from realizing what is REALLY going on. Would we assume C.A. Fitts' analogy of a man having two families which do not know about each other an incorrect assumption as well? If David Adair had an actual hands on interaction with a symbiotic engine back in 1972, what could be going on here in 2017 that we would be hard pressed to believe? What has been gained by all the work put in by so many honest human beings trying to figure out what is going on? I, for one, am just trying to sift through everything I have leaned here on Avalon. I do understand that each of us may come to very different conclusions, but we can still be polite & respectful. :yo:

[Mike]

I listened to that Basiago interview yesterday, the latest with Randy Maugans..and it was so silly that I found myself getting embarrassed for everyone involved.

Poor Andy. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way. I really feel bad for him. He is staggeringly naive.

He's in full on victim mode here. He is very, very windy..but actually rarely says anything of any real value. He just spends a ton of time attempting to justify his position while offering nothing, NOTHING in the way of evidence or verification.

Oh my...at one point he's threatening litigation against someone (Hoagland maybe, can't recall. He does this a few times during this rant..for defamation) and says that (I'm paraphrasing) the lawsuit would be an easy one because all he'd have to do is give his Mars jumproom presentation in court and that would win him the case:facepalm:

To me he comes off as a pathetic character, someone who needs a hug and some caring guidance. At one point, during his woe is me rant, he describes how he was genuinely surprised and hurt that his appearance on "The Colbert Report" was arranged as a spoof piece.....even though it's a comedy/parody show that quite literally has never done a serious piece on *ANYTHING*. Colbert, for those that don't know, played a *fictional* talk show host on that show LOL...a profoundly and obviously silly one at that! Andy admitted that he knew this, but was *STILL* surprised that he was presented like this:facepalm: And instead of pointing out the obvious, Randy chimed in with some asanine comments to do with Colbert being a groomed disinformer or something goofy like that. It was just embarrassing.

Oh, and Bill and Kerry are government operatives, says Andy. Are you aware that you're an operative Bill???:ROFL:

Oh Mike.. Mike.. Mike.. you are soooo funny!
I would say thank you for saving me a few hours that I could use in a more productive way but
I don't think I would have listened anyway.
I think I am so over whistleblowers and no more reports from Mars.



I wasn't trying to be funny in the least! That's the way the interview really went. It truly speaks for itself!:)

In my defense, I likely wouldn't have listened either had I not been at work and bored out of my mind.

I would encourage you not to disregard *all* whistleblowers. I know how tempting that is. Sometimes I wanna do that too. It would be so easy. This stuff is very frustrating. But that's what the disinformers want you to do. Let's not give them the satisfaction.

[Gemma13]

IWHyrvFODb8
Published on 17 Jun 2017


@ 0:45 “So I got quite the awesome talk for you guys today… this subject of contact, this subject of UFO’s … what I try to bring to the table for you is not the same presentation that you’re going to hear year after year with subtle tweaks and modifications. I try to always push the envelope forward. And I see this whole thing as more than entertainment. I see this as a political initiative. Because what we are doing here is not fake news. …”

I get the “noble part” of the motivation behind Wilcock et al. But bringing spirituality to the table of trying to expose secret military and government programs which suppress vital information that should be made available for public weigh in . . . IS NOT GOING TO WORK!

@ David et al:

When we don’t have Unity within religion/spirituality in our global culture, why would you even consider that bringing in Gods, Angels, etc as valid UFO Disclosure Information is going to be accepted by the general public; apart from the demographic that align with your definitions of spiritual and religious history, just because you believe “your own experiential knowingness” and you choose to call it not fake news?


@4:39 … probably a high percentage think there way is the only way … and yet there are certain spiritual traditions in which you get experiential knowingness of what’s really going on and you get direct knowledge and that direct knowledge is not something you can ignore …

The “Ancient Religion/Spirituality” groups that are bulldozing their narratives and belief systems into the UFO topic, secret space programs, and disappearance of trillions of taxpayers’ dollars field, are hindering this process where researchers are primarily focused on bringing evidence to the table to force the hand of governments to address the topic.

And anyone who attempts to reason with the spiritualist groups are called DISINFO AGENTS or HATERS.
It really has become QUITE ABSURD.

By all means, research your spiritual interests and share these with the public, its fascinating material and people are interested in it, but show some intelligence, not arrogance, about the arenas you like to crash to promote your spiritual ideas and hypotheses.

What Wilcock et al are doing is the equivalent of:

Charging into a public conference on unidentified flying craft, military cover-ups, and tax exploitation, then running passionately up to the podium to start preaching, whilst their believers/followers trail behind, that the craft, ascended Christ’s blue stargate portal, and aliens and angels and flying blue birds are our friends and they have come to help us get up off our knees and be more loving and service to others, because this whole topic of Disclosure is all about a spiritual battle, make no mistake about it, that’s been going on for thousands of years and phew, let me catch my breath here, and . . . .

The minute you mention gods and spirituality in a public conference, that is not about gods and spirituality, you have JUST STARTED A SPIRITUAL BATTLE and whatever the topic being discussed …. well … it’s just no longer being discussed! And if it is, it’s barely being heard because it has taken on a whole new flavour, where spiritualists are all clamouring to stake and claim ownership of the ships in the sky!
If it wasn’t so disturbing to a profound global topic, it really is quite funny to watch – remember the gold rush days – no different!

Wilcock et al ceaselessly claim that anyone who disagrees with their truth hypotheses is out to get them and are disinformation agents trying to bring them down. They then convince their fan base that what they are saying must be right because there are people that disagree; when the argument isn’t actually about agreeing or disagreeing with their spiritual material. How long do you think an evangelist preacher would last running into congress with his flock to tell them all he has the “experiential knowingness” of truth?

Has it ever occurred to this spiritualist group that they might be being steered out of their arenas for a reason – and, let’s face it, they really are sooo easy to purchase. Don’t take my word for it though . . . ask many researchers who have been approached to “join the spirituality crusade that’s crashing the Disclosure Circuit” who have refused big bucks because they won’t sell out!

Has it ever occurred to this spiritualist group that they have been cleverly co-opted to march, make noise, and fly their banners at events where religion and spirituality are the last things that need to be focussed on . . . for a reason!

At a UFO Conference, that is designed to raise public awareness to help lobby governments to investigate and release military documents, DAVID WILCOCK calls the problem a SPIRITUAL BATTLE.


@6:45 … what we’re seeing ultimately is a spiritual battle taking place here on earth … one that most people do not understand … and if you fail to grasp that fundamental truth then the seeds that are being planted in your mind and heart at this event will probably never grow into anything substantial. The spiritual battle, for me, is the key of this whole thing.

"The spiritual battle is the key of this whole thing!"

Now you’re a smart guy David. So, take a breath, a holiday even, and then take a look at what is IMMEDIATELY AND FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG WITH THAT ONE STATEMENT!

Then please, just consider, that maybe, just maybe . . . you’re in the wrong building!!!

[Bill Ryan]

Get your questions ready for Corey Goode !

Well, a couple of dozen (at least!) can be generated from this. This is the first time I've made this public.


http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan's_replies_to_Corey_Goode's_response.pdf (http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan%27s_replies_to_Corey_Goode%27s_response.pdf)

This is a 16 page, 5300 word document (though a lot of the words are Corey's) in which I reply in fully referenced detail to his responses to my original The Truth About Corey Goode (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1148567&viewfull=1#post1148567) piece. One friend who read it described it as 'damning'. (And, it is.)

I sent it last week to Justin Deschamps, from Stillness in the Storm (http://stillnessinthestorm.com). He had earlier asked me for my rejoinder.

I had to send it to him twice. He acknowledged it the second time. However, as best I know, he's so far opted NOT to publish it. (But, maybe I'll be wrong: he may simply be busy, and I genuinely hope that's the reason. It wouldn't look all that good for his partiality if my detailed response were to be withheld, after he'd actually asked for it.)



An update on this. Justin wrote to me, yesterday:




Thanks Bill. I have decided to publish it, I just haven't gotten around to it yet. I understand if this might seem like procrastination or underhandedness on my part. I was contemplating how to best handle the situation for all involved, hence my delay. Apologies if you felt maligned.

I will add your comments to the post the you used to formulate your responses. As soon as that is done, (should be later today) I'll send you a link.

Justin

and then





Here you are Bill http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html

My apologies for not tending to this more expeditiously.

Hopefully we can move forward as a people on the issues we all face and not let our disagreements about Goode or anything else needlessly divide us.

[norman]

@ Norman....How can anyone EVER know who is telling the truth & who is not?! :confused:



Foxie, I'm not avoiding you :)

You don't half ask tough questions.

My mum told me Santa was 'coming tonight'. I was so excited it never occured to me to wonder if she was lying, and besides, I loved her.

[onawah]

David Wilcock has become such a sad case of a basically well meaning soul who has lost his way. imho.
Whether or not DW actually was Cayce in his past life ( I happen to think he was), like many channelers and other "sensitives", he appears to have been subverted and deluded by other dimensional entities.
The greatest spiritual teachers have always warned against the dangers of becoming enamored of and using such abilities for less than higher purposes.
The karmic price is steep.

[onawah]

We need a performance artist like the one here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45758-Theories-of-the-Deep-Understanding-of-Things&p=1161999&viewfull=1#post1161999
...to highlight the ridiculousness of what DW and company are presenting as truth.

[Foxie Loxie]

Think Tele-evangelists!! :lalala:

[norman]

Contact In The Desert 2017 Summary

Reconsider (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCM1P8db6DjpMVVsQPH6h5Jw)
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Published on 30 May 2017
http://reconsider.news

A brief personal comment on the Contact In The Desert 2017. I brave flies and heat, to bring you 6 minutes of musings concerning the premiere 2017 contact event. More videos to follow discussing in further detail some of the talks I witnessed.

http://contactinthedesert.com
http://divinecosmos.com
http://exopolitics.org
https://spherebeingalliance.com
http://sedonanewagestore.com/psychics... (http://sedonanewagestore.com/psychics/melinda)
https://ubuntuplanet.org
http://www.michaeltellinger.com




My Experience at Contact in the Desert 2017

Chai with the Cosmos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaabJodjVZGFRSUfG86OyGA)
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Published on 31 May 2017
Sharing about my journey to Contact in the Desert, the people I met there including the speakers.


Laura Eisenhower - Ascension and the 13th Gate - Contact in the Desert 2017

Lords of Consciousness (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseCPCfaucvoxpxrqFoRtPw)
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Published on 2 Jun 2017
Laura Eisenhower had quite the busy weekend at Contact in the Desert 2017, as she spoke on numerous panels, had a free lecture, a paid workshop and also a paid intensive. Lords of Consciousness had the pleasure of sitting in on most of those, and Richie Jones had quite the conversation with Laura regarding her time at CITD. Some of the topics covered with the Avatar consciousness and how to reclaim our power, the fall of humanity back in to a 3rd Dimensional world, and the chakras that connect us to true source and our higher self. Laura also discusses the importance of our connection to Planet Earth and how true love will win the battle we're engaged in, the war on consciousness.

[norman]

From THIS [9 Mar 2017]


Enough With New Age Hippie Bulls***!

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Published on 9 Mar 2017

There seems to be this "Don't focus on the bad! Just think that negativity doesn't exist!" mindset among some "spiritual" movements.....and this is exactly how the Dark Forces want you thinking.

Grab the Kybalion here - https://goo.gl/Gb8i4r - GREAT book! - To THIS ! [24 May 2017]

JLPKO3AKA14
Published on 24 May 2017

Here is an interview I did in Joshua Tree, California during the Contact in the Desert conference with Justin Deschamps of the Stillness in the Storm blog, one of the best information and current news sharing websites around.
Check it out - http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/In Nine Weeks !

But even that is only superficial. . . . going with a flow

Where's this flow coming from ?

[norman]

Contact InThe Desert Day 3: Event Recaps

Sabrina and Sterling (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClVpsddCuamI5_pZYQ-6nCg)
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Published on 30 May 2017

THANK YOU for your patience and loving comments. More vlogs coming asap. The notes at the end are from David Wilcock's Lecture B and Corey Goode's lecture from CITD 2017 on 5.20.

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[Foxie Loxie]

We all have to learn & grow, don't we?! ;)

[norman]

Corey Goode - Interview and Community Update

Divine Frequency (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_jDPph3Bra-CXxPMrXfUYA)
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Published on 26 Jun 2017
Divine Frequency Update: Corey Goode and Teresa Yanaros are postponing their interview until approx. July 8-9th due to an unexpected death in the Goode's family. Also, Teresa provides some feedback on a very prominent topic among the community, "I've gone through an awakening! Now what? How do I get involved?"

Please continue to submit questions via email at thedivinefrequency@gmail.com.

[6Denno]

To assume that all religions are bad is the equivalent of throwing the baby out with the bath water. Its important to note that only faith based religions are horrible. Religions based on logic, and only illuminism fits this description, will always lead to truth. While belief systems are only good for mass control.

[norman]

To assume that all religions are bad is the equivalent of throwing the baby out with the bath water. Its important to note that only faith based religions are horrible. Religions based on logic, and only illuminism fits this description, will always lead to truth. While belief systems are only good for mass control.

The religion this thread is about is the New World religion. The opium they need to get us all inside the New World Order Pen. The older religions are a whole other bunch of subjects that are well discussed in many other threads on the forum.

For me personally, religions are mind control that unlimately have nothing at all to do with any 'spiritual' matters, other than to divert and co-opt natural aspirations.

What religion based on logic do you have in mind ?

[Shadowself]

Well here you go folks!

Corey with the help of Michael Salla are creating a New World Religion:


https://i2.wp.com/exopolitics.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/nordicandpope-700.jpg?w=700

Excerpt:

Q3. What were you told about the contents of an extraterrestrial disclosure announcement in terms of why it would become the basis for a new world religion?

After these beings are introduced, they expect the public will have a lot of questions about the ET’s. The ET’s beliefs and knowledge of the Universe and God would be among the top questions. At this point these beings are expected to share a newly crafted belief system that is based on the ET’s true belief system. These beings will be doing this to help Humanity from the ET perspective.

Q4. You say 90% of people will adopt the new religion quickly. Were you told why it would happen so quickly?

It is expected that most will question their belief systems in the first few years of an introduction to ET’s. Humanity will understand how little we know and will be reaching out to these new “friends” for assistance and answers. This sets up a situation for the majority of people on the planet to adopt a similar belief system that gets them away from the current division.

http://exopolitics.org/corey-goode-on-nordic-extraterrestrials-working-with-religious-leaders-for-disclosure/

Noting:

The role of Nordic extraterrestrials in helping humanity better understand the galactic community and the greater cosmic reality is also to be welcomed. In providing such information they should be regarded as our galactic cousins, rather than angels intent on establishing a new global religion.

While the idea of a new global religion embraced by up to 90% of humanity might concern some, I’m optimistic that the information provided by Nordics will open the door to many hidden truths being revealed, and help humanity rapidly evolve as full partners in the galactic community.

~

And this New World Religion is based on Disclosure:

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~

While coincidentally or not so coincidentally the day before this is posted in SITS

Monday, June 26, 2017

UFO Religions -- Dead Belief vs Living Faith: Is Religion From Outer Space?

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IDZj7WYR1VQ/WVAtvRRSsdI/AAAAAAAAjU0/rmVFfnoMV4I5_dRCqxKtir8sxonVE9XhgCLcBGAs/s640/MOSES.jpg

http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/06/ufo-religions-dead-belief-vs-living-faith-is-religion-from-outer-space.html

Prepare yourselves folks...the Cult of Corey Good and Co. are bringing in a New World Religion and Corey is the Pope!


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What a load of crap!

I'll just leave this comment here from Cory's posting of this last article by SITS:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja0Hs7Ryth0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB4IkChXJzs

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[Bill Ryan]

Wow. The naivete displayed here by supposedly smart people is something astonishing.

There's so much evidence that this is a NWO psy-op, it beggars belief that it's still so invisible to so many.

[UfonautRadio]

Corey Goode - Interview and Community Update

Divine Frequency (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_jDPph3Bra-CXxPMrXfUYA)
aXSZjqeXSns
Published on 26 Jun 2017
Divine Frequency Update: Corey Goode and Teresa Yanaros are postponing their interview until approx. July 8-9th due to an unexpected death in the Goode's family. Also, Teresa provides some feedback on a very prominent topic among the community, "I've gone through an awakening! Now what? How do I get involved?"

Please continue to submit questions via email at thedivinefrequency@gmail.com.

Honesty, this is the scariest video of the lot so far. This reeks of scientology

[Shadowself]

It most definitely reeks of a Cult and second coming.

[Paprika]

Well here you go folks!

Corey with the help of Michael Salla are creating a New World Religion:

Prepare yourselves folks...the Cult of Corey Good and Co. are bringing in a New World Religion and Corey is the Pope!




https://www.mcssl.com/content/211747/Sales_Images/blue-avians.jpg

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HYmckVkkJz0/SO1H_Lg87xI/AAAAAAAABDk/2wSBV-2DYww/s400/Pius+XII+-+procession+en+silla.JPG

[Clear Light]

Corey Goode - Interview and Community Update

Divine Frequency (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_jDPph3Bra-CXxPMrXfUYA)
aXSZjqeXSns
Published on 26 Jun 2017
Divine Frequency Update: Corey Goode and Teresa Yanaros are postponing their interview until approx. July 8-9th due to an unexpected death in the Goode's family. Also, Teresa provides some feedback on a very prominent topic among the community, "I've gone through an awakening! Now what? How do I get involved?"

Please continue to submit questions via email at thedivinefrequency@gmail.com.

Well, if as it seems, people are experiencing some sort of non-typical-state-of-mind (or change in consciousness), thank goodness for places like Project Avalon where such matters can be investigated from many different viewpoints eh ? :happythumbsup:

But honestly, promises of positive ETs who reveal themselves to us Earthlings, simply for us to take on their belief system (never mind interstellar travel, free energy, the complete collapse of existing society and likely ALL OUT FEAR) is just another ploy to lure in "newbie seekers" to get behind the "Corey story" as if anything of his SSP *claims* has yielded any kind of tangible proof whatsoever !!!

Yet here he is with even greater fantastical testimony from his supposed interaction with his ET Contacts ... and people are buying into this ? :facepalm:

Ah, but not for long I expect when all his predictions come to naught and he's left to deal with the backlash of Anger / Betrayal / Fury from all those who've been sucked into it ...

[Kristin]

Well, everyone has choices. This is not unexpected, however, it is unfortunate. I haven't heard the word "sovereignty" spoken for a long time. May be time to dig up the "Horus Ra Threads"... I go back to my research.

[norman]

Wow. The naivete displayed here by supposedly smart people is something astonishing.

There's so much evidence that this is a NWO psy-op, it beggars belief that it's still so invisible to so many.

Either invisible, or involving more people in a wider and slower build up in plain sight, that seems to have caught us all napping.

[norman]

Well here you go folks!

Corey with the help of Michael Salla are creating a New World Religion:

Written by Dr Michael Salla (http://exopolitics.org/author/dr-michael-salla/) on June 27, 2017.
http://exopolitics.org/corey-goode-on-nordic-extraterrestrials-working-with-religious-leaders-for-disclosure/


When water hole predators give up the stealth the long grass gives them, they do so either because the prey is in the perfect spot, or because they have been noticed, and no further advantage can be gained from it.

My guess is that, in this case, the prey was not quite in the perfect spot yet.

[Flash]

quite interesting talk with Clif HIgh and Randy Maugans on the religious cult built up using language of the Corey Goode cult and alike.

Starting at the 1h00 point it the interesting. They also describe how Corey started at Avalon, seems genuine at first, than turn out to be the cult builder.

I do not think this was posted, but if it were, i am sorry.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBAYjJUtigY

Hour 2:
~The yogi and the Bluebirds: the quest for something bigger...enter the Orb Beings...Corey Goode, David Wilcock; Google search on Corey Goode, Blue Avians...etc. contains NO negative information; Clif reveals the gaming the Google search engine (SEO) using templates, key word searches, byte codes...a deep "official" operation of skewing web searches.
~Hard researchers vs. soft disclosure"...how legitimate researchers with evidence are marginalized, i.e. Sean Gautreaux, WHO/WHAT IS IN OUR SKIES...
~Corey Goode/Blue Avians as a social engineering project.
~Who is Constantine? The creation of a monolithic narrative/quasi-religious structure: Blue Avians.
~The contamination of the emotional language in the webbot by Goode/Wilcock/Weidner utilizing the reports' Antarctica material. Promulgating emotional reactions; cult-like usage of semiotics, imagery, and language.
~Issues with David Wilcock
~Incarnational issues with sociopathy/psychopathy.
~Jimmy Church and the "infltration" of UFOlogy; the language behind of Contact In The Desert as a tent meeting; the language co-opted; how a cult points fingers outside itself to own the narrative.
~Clif's detection of stolen narratives in the model space of the webbot; the contamination of the data was being redeployed by the Corey Goode camp. How Clif trapped the Gaia(m) effect in the data.
~The importance of Antarctica
~Spirituality in UFOlogy
~The myths and mind control of "ascension".
~Bill Ryan as Puppetmaster, Jimmy Church as the Enforcer of "order" in the Space Goat Farts sectors.
~Colonel Marrs: The War Through Time, hunters and collectors of past life artifacts; how we have an image/visage through incarnational cycles. Augmenting life cycles with time manipulation via CERN.

~Corey Goode could wind up the "sacrificial lamb"?; the death culture behind "super-soldier" media figures. The Baphomet image, Ramsaur (the Goat God). Strange fire inside the Corey goode camp.

[Flash]

I Wonder something:

The Birds believers are a whole one or two generations who listened to Sesame Street where a big yellow chicken was one of the caracter all along. Tjey were already mellowed down to use birds and believe in what birds says.

Once there, you just have to change the color of the bird, but the thinking and attention grabing listening system remains the same.

If I were mind manipulating, just like for example the Military can do, or the CIA, I would definitely try using birdies.

[norman]

Corey Goode - Interview and Community Update

Divine Frequency (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_jDPph3Bra-CXxPMrXfUYA)
aXSZjqeXSns
Published on 26 Jun 2017
Divine Frequency Update: Corey Goode and Teresa Yanaros are postponing their interview until approx. July 8-9th due to an unexpected death in the Goode's family. Also, Teresa provides some feedback on a very prominent topic among the community, "I've gone through an awakening! Now what? How do I get involved?"

Please continue to submit questions via email at thedivinefrequency@gmail.com.

Honesty, this is the scariest video of the lot so far. This reeks of scientology

I know next to nothing about Scientology so I'm intrigued by your comment. Please expand on what you are seeing here in this video.

I so far see a guidance to move towards physical gatherings that can be more completely managed without interference from concerned 'awake' and adult human community members.

[kelv]

Going along with the subject of the thread our external savior David Wilcock was on Coast To Coast with Jimmy "The Barker" Church on June 23rd. Like Jimmy "The Barker" Church's earlier interview with Corey Goode on Fade To Black they tip toe around the elephant in the room but never address it. In fact, Jimmy Church pretty much says I don't want you to address the unnamed issue in this radio interview and later in the interview describes "Coast To Coast" as a "vague radio show."

This new Nazca, Peru mummy stored in Cusco, Peru that GAIA TV has issued a press release on, seemingly to divert away from the Corey Goode debacle, turns out to have three fingers on each hand. On the Coast To Coast show Jay Wiedner talks about it first and then David Wilcock talks about it before they took what I'm sure were "screened calls" from the audience. So, we are going from Sesame Street blue chicken to Princess Bride with the six finger man (well, sort of...).

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[RunningDeer]

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_t3uDVPiRc"] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_t3uDVPiRc)
FYI: kelv for videos, use the YouTube icon rather than the link icon.

Most important line @ 1:10 (https://youtu.be/s_t3uDVPiRc?t=1m10s).


"Princess Bride" star Patinkin reveals his favorite line in the film
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[Ron Mauer Sr]

I Wonder something:

The Birds believers are a whole one or two generations who listened to Sesame Street where a big yellow chicken was one of the caracter all along. Tjey were already mellowed down to use birds and believe in what birds says.

Once there, you just have to change the color of the bird, but the thinking and attention grabing listening system remains the same.

If I were mind manipulating, just like for example the Military can do, or the CIA, I would definitely try using birdies.

The topic of birds brings back memories from the 90's and Ken Carey's Return of the Bird Tribes. (https://www.amazon.com/Return-Bird-Tribes-Ken-Carey/dp/0062501887)
Ken Carey's info felt pretty good at the time. I remember the feeling but not the details. Makes me wonder.

[AutumnW]

Blue and bird like or at least a strong flight motif comes through strongly in Avatar. If you marry the nobility of Avatar with with the goofiness of Big Bird and a desire to transcend being trapped in 3 dimensions, subject to the laws of gravity, it's perfect.

[onawah]

Another twist on the NWO Religion
From: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch-And-Beyond&p=1162952&viewfull=1#post1162952
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ECETI Stargate

Anonymous #AnonAccSec NWO ETI AGENDA

Published 27th June 2017

Hat's off to Anonymous for exposing the truth about the disinformation program and Dr. Greer's affiliations with Hillary Clinton, John "Pedogate" Podesta and the Archon Rockefeller family. Learn DISCERNMENT, PROTECTION and how to make BENEVOLENT CONTACT at ECETI.

[norman]

Modwiz comes out of the gate with a bang on the head of the nail, with this Mystic Brew Video.


Mystic Brew: More Truth Or More Wisdom?

Modwiz125 (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiZbWgd0yWivg9Mohpf4l-g)
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Published on 1 Jul 2017
Where to start? Let's try this for a discussion. I left plenty of holes.

[norman]

The Stargate Conspiracy - Lynn Picknett, Clive Prince

According to Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince, their discoveries tie into a dangerous conspiracy nearly fifty years in the making.



Red Ice Radio July 13th, 2008
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At the center of this conspiracy is a group of respected, powerful individuals who believe that the ancient Egyptian gods are real extraterrestrials who will soon return to earth. The conspirators have intimate and exclusive knowledge of this momentous second coming, but they insist on keeping it to themselves.

In this riveting, well-researched book, Picknett and Price reveal what this conspiracy means for the rest of mankind-and expose the insidious motivations of the individuals and organizations behind it...



The Council of Nine
Puharich was associated with George Williamson Hunt, among the mid-1950s contactees known as the “four guys named George.” Hunt had worked with William Dudley Pelley, founder of the neo-Nazi Silver Shirts, who popularized the idea of near-death experiences, and who published a major work on extraterrestrials called Star Guests. Pelley, like Hunt, was also associated with popular contactee George Adamsky, with whom he was involved in the Theosophical “UFO Religion,” the “I AM” cult. Adamski had an interest in Theosophy that dated back to the mid 1930s, when he founded what was called the Royal Order of Tibet. In 1952 and 1953, Williamson and his associates supposedly established radiotelegraphic contact with extraterrestrials, in which they received Morse code messages from “the Planet Hatonn in Andromeda,” the alleged site of the universal “Temple of Records.”[12]

In 1952, Puharich had brought into his laboratory an Indian mystic named Dr. D. G. Vinod, who began to channel The Nine or “the Nine Principles,” who would also often recommend the books of Blavatsky and Alice Bailey. Further séances in 1953 were attended by other members of Puharich’s Round Table Foundation, including Henry and Georgia Jackson, Alice Bouverie, Marcella Du Pont, Carl Betz, Vonnie Beck, Arthur M. Young and his wife Ruth.

Arthur M. Young, the designer of Bell Helicopter's first helicopter, was also an influential occult-influenced philosopher. Young married artist Ruth Forbes of the Boston Forbes family, a great-granddaughter of Ralph Waldo Emerson. Ruth was also a close personal friend of Mary Bancroft, devoted student of Carl Jung, and mistress to Allen Dulles and later to Henry Luce.

Ruth Forbes Paine's first husband, George Lyman Paine Jr. was an associate of Trotskyite James Burnham, a friend of E. Howard Hunt, one of the Watergate “plumbers,” and was also suspected of involvement in the JFK assassination. Ruth and Paine were also the parents of Michael Paine, who married Ruth Hyde, and who together became notable after the assassination of JFK because of his acquaintance with Lee Harvey Oswald. Michael and Ruth Paine met Oswald and his wife Marina at a party on February 22 1963 where they had been invited by George de Mohrenschildt. It was Ruth Paine who helped Lee get his job at the Texas School Book Depository while his wife Marina and child continued to live with her in Irving, Texas. When the assassination occurred it was the Paines who led the police to where Oswald hid his rifle, and provided much evidence such as some of the famous photos of Oswald posing with his rifle, and so forth.

Continued here:
http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/project-stargate-ancient-aliens-and-cia
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41RYFTZA8GL._SX287_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

[norman]

The strangest thing is that Laura was just used by Richard Ramsaur and Corey Goode to lower herself into the pit of insanity for what again? To support Corey Good and his dear wife for the sake of what again? Disclosure? Then a few hours later and I kid you not...like nothing is wrong and life is good she writes:

"Moving at the speed of fun... anything less than fun, bye bye!"

So this has been fun for her...participating in illegal acts and stalking? What is wrong with this picture? What is wrong with these people?



Unbelievable, well actually it is kind of. It's Laura Eisenhower, after all.

[Foxie Loxie]

It took me a LIFETIME to figure out that The Old World Religion was a Belief System....people are not taught to think for themselves in the education systems we have; they are taught to conform to the established system. :frusty: So.....maybe the Snowflakes will be fooled for awhile??? :flypig:

[norman]

It took me a LIFETIME to figure out that The Old World Religion was a Belief System....people are not taught to think for themselves in the education systems we have; they are taught to conform to the established system. :frusty: So.....maybe the Snowflakes will be fooled for awhile??? :flypig:

I think we are at a crossover point where even the establishment are abandoning the belief system they used to force us into. They are trying to come up with a new one. All this New Age hoakey is probably their way of building a new forced religion that is ET friendly and 'Civilisation type 1' friendly.

[bogdan9310]

The thing is, we need religion to spread ideas over long periods of time. How else would we spread an idea, without having people take the original word, and replicate it in the exact same way?

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Religion feels like a control system to me, a mixture of truth and lies.


Religion is following a messenger. Spirituality is following the message.


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[Omni]

planetary introduction to galactic society is the antithesis of religion. what you see now is a charade psyop mockery of the events.

[norman]

POPE FRANCIS, CHANGING DOGMA & THE NEW RELIGION – JAY / SNEK (https://podbay.fm/p/jays-analysis/e/1604100140)

This discussion doesn't touch the hot topic that was raging when I started this thread but this discussion does deal with the structural adjustments towards a New World Religion, whatever trendy dressing they put on it if or when the end move is hammered into place.