Is there any evidence for an ET AI threat?

[Builder]

People like Kerry Cassidy, Miles Johnston and Simon Parkes can't stop talking about the threat of an extraterrestrial AI trying to subvert humanity.

This thread shall serve as a collection point for any evidence supporting this theory.

It is not about AI technology that's used as tool by ETs or humans, but about this nebulous AI "race" (or whatever you want to call it, Archons?) which is an independent player besides other ET races and beings.

My gut feeling is that all this AI talk started with the current wave of human AI advances with commentators jumping on the hype train for more intriguing content.

So where is the evidence?

[AutumnW]

Agreed. There is no hard evidence. The worry stems from the techno-Zeitgiest. I feel it's a legitimate concern but it is just a feeling.

[Baby Steps]

Found this (http://http://www.computerweekly.com/blog/Public-Sector-IT/Mysterious-deaths-freedom-of-information-Marconi-and-the-Ministry-of-Defence), the comments are interesting too

http://www.computerweekly.com/blog/Public-Sector-IT/Mysterious-deaths-freedom-of-information-Marconi-and-the-Ministry-of-Defence

[amor]

Murder Incorporated.

[CurEus]

Should aliens have technologies 1000's of years more advanced than our own then it stands to reason that they would be able to hijack ours...considering we purportedly reverse engineered their technology. Amusing if it was a Trojan Horse of sorts.
If they can do so can we stop them? Unlikely
Does it matter much? .......I don't know.

There is some blathering about "black goo" being some kind of nearly sentient Alien AI....bent on taking over "everything"I really can't say much about it.

We are entering a very unstable era. We will soon be able to do almost unthinkable things to our own and other life's DNA. Our computer's are rapidly advancing beyond our ability to understand the implications and cyborg/transhumanism is being widely purported as being massively attractive.
Interesting times.......

[amor]

Re: Let's Revisit this Interview with Bill
Dear Bill and Avalonians: On the question of whether the Crystal Entities can be trusted by us, my answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT. Ed Dames, remote viewer, wanted to remote view SATAN and succeeded in finding it, trying not to be observed for he would certainly be attacked if that happened. It was a shock to Ed. The thing was extremely powerful and EVIL I believe he said.

The second story involving Crystal Entities tells of a spaceship piloted by it bringing the Green Dinosaurs who were said to eat only vegetable matter provided on the ship. It later is reported that these things EAT FLESH, including humans if nothing else is available. The Queen, among them, says she rules many worlds. Well, how did she find herself without transport and why did she not ask to be taken to one of her many worlds? She is saying they came from Earth originally. A likely story.

The Crystal Entities which brought the Raptors here. They LIED because they intended to seed Earth with MANEATERS.

Connecting all of the above dots, it is my conclusion that they are extremely intelligent and totally EVIL and not to be trusted one inch no matter what pretense they make to the contrary. They are bringing MANEATERS to Earth as part of their take-over plan. Only biological entities are capable of emotion and therefore feelings of love. Rocks do not feel. Is Ed Dames SATAN what the NWO plans to have rule Earth?

[DeDukshyn]

Re: Let's Revisit this Interview with Bill
Dear Bill and Avalonians: On the question of whether the Crystal Entities can be trusted by us, my answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT. Ed Dames, remote viewer, wanted to remote view SATAN and succeeded in finding it, trying not to be observed for he would certainly be attacked if that happened. It was a shock to Ed. The thing was extremely powerful and EVIL I believe he said.

The second story involving Crystal Entities tells of a spaceship piloted by it bringing the Green Dinosaurs who were said to eat only vegetable matter provided on the ship. It later is reported that these things EAT FLESH, including humans if nothing else is available. The Queen, among them, says she rules many worlds. Well, how did she find herself without transport and why did she not ask to be taken to one of her many worlds? She is saying they came from Earth originally. A likely story.

The Crystal Entities which brought the Raptors here. They LIED because they intended to seed Earth with MANEATERS.

Connecting all of the above dots, it is my conclusion that they are extremely intelligent and totally EVIL and not to be trusted one inch no matter what pretense they make to the contrary. They are bringing MANEATERS to Earth as part of their take-over plan. Only biological entities are capable of emotion and therefore feelings of love. Rocks do not feel. Is Ed Dames SATAN what the NWO plans to have rule Earth?

:focus: ??? How does this relate to the OP?

[Fellow Aspirant]

Well, there are plenty of warnings about Ai from people who are in far better positions than I wrt knowledge of the danger:

http://www.techworld.com/picture-gallery/personal-tech/8-times-tech-leaders-warned-us-that-robots-will-kill-us-all-3611611/

So, if an ET presence wanted to control us, and the infrastructure was in place, it would be an easy thing to do. Analogous to leaving a loaded gun on the front step of your home.

B.

[ghostrider]

Here is one , we humans were brought here, placed on the OUTER rim of a REMOTE galaxy ... We have had one specific group of ETs helping us for 13,500 years for a splinter group of their forefathers wants us dead ...They said we were stupid sending out probes telling our location and details about our makeup ...

[Justplain]

Here is one , we humans were brought here, placed on the OUTER rim of a REMOTE galaxy ... We have had one specific group of ETs helping us for 13,500 years for a splinter group of their forefathers wants us dead ...They said we were stupid sending out probes telling our location and details about our makeup ...

There are artifacts and underground communities that suggest human-like beings have existed on Earth for millions of years. So being placed here 14k years ago doesnt hold water.

Regarding the issue of the OP, if inter-stellar AI were actually present in Earth's vicinity, then it hasnt manifested mechanically until at most in the last hundred years. AI, assuming it needs machinery and circuits to exist, would presumedly have made machines to do whatever was needed. Since we dont apparently see artifacts for ancient machines, i doubt that AI has been here much, if at all. Biologically based ETs seem to have been here, from evidence of ufo's etc., however.

So although Alien AI sounds potentially dangerous, the evidence doesnt seem to point to a long presence here, which would therefore imply that it doesnt have a galactic presence, and is therefore not likely a present danger.

[ghostrider]

22 million years ago, the old Lyrians came here and found evidence that other races had been here long before them ... I refer to 13,500 years ago to one particular race that are the distant descendants of the old Lyrians, whose race split into two groups, one went the way of the Pleadies, the other went to the Orion region... The Orion region descendants produced King Arus, his sons, Jehovah, and Jehav, Karamangol, and his two sons who all posed as gods, enslaving earth humanity with religion starting 13,500 years ago... They have technology that still lingers to this day...They were driven off by the plejaren but, not before swearing to return one day, as we were supposed to be exterminated after we were no longer needed to defend the creator overlords... These overlords evolved too quickly and lost the ability to defend themselves, thus were created as genetically modified humans with short lifespans to fight for them ... When the overlords corrected the genetic defect in themselves, the group was divided as what to do with us, one group wanted us killed, one group wanted us to follow the natural course of evolution... so in secret the ancestors of the plejaren smuggled us off world, placing us on the outer rim of a remote galaxy... they have been coming here, to help us evolve and prepare for the day when encounter the creator overlords... They send impules for invention, technology, ideas for medical, scientific and the needed array of knowledge according to our spiritual capacity... hence the reason for spirit teachings over eons, the same core message, always corrupted by evil men... its why every religion shares the same theme, it comes from the same teacher who incarnates over and over in different bodies, spreading to every culture... they have said there are evil races off world who enslave entire planets, and why are members of a federation of galaxies 128 billion strong... united they protect the peace... just my opinion of course, I dont want trouble, or any division, earth needs no more division...

[Builder]

There is the question of the substrate this AI would run on. Our current silicon chips and the internet are not sufficient for a strong AI, even if it had much better algorithms than we know today. This may change within the next two decades, but currently it would have to use another substrate. This could be onboard a space ship like other ET races use, but how is this then a different threat than those other races are?

If it runs on a substrate that permeates space, like another dimension, hyperspace or whatever, then it could be here and have been here for ever. But this also means that it could have interacted with humanity forever, so it's not exactly a new threat.

The only combination that makes sense from a threat perspective is, that it has been here forever, but was not able to interact with biological life. But if it could interact with electronic circuits, then it could be a new threat in our electronic age. But what's so special about electronics and semiconductors? We also use electricity and light as means of communication all biological cells.

It could be that an AI has a special affinity for digital computers and thus could infect them very easily. But coming back to the substrate, what if it is not digital, but quantum based? Why would it then have an affinity to our current digital technology? It would be far further down in development and maybe based on something completely different at all. Also any other advanced race would see our current digital computers as primitive tools that they could manipulate as easily as a pure AI.

[Justplain]

Ghostrider, that sounds like a rendition of Sitchins sumerian legends, except i never heard we were shipped out to the rim of a distant galaxy. I dont believe homo sapiens sapiens have been here for millions of years, but oop artifacts, such as vases encased in hundred million year old coal, attests to sophisticated beings existing on Earth a long, long time ago. The underground cities, and even above ground sites like Petra, were built for differing sized type beings, from giants to dwarfs.

I certainly think that there is enough evidence, though, that homo sapien sapiens have been here longer than 14k, at least 120k i believe.

Anyway, regarding the OP, i dont think that there's much, if any, evidence that independent alien AI was present before current times, so i think it isnt a real threat now.

[Baby Steps]

There is the question of the substrate this AI would run on. Our current silicon chips and the internet are not sufficient for a strong AI, even if it had much better algorithms than we know today. This may change within the next two decades, but currently it would have to use another substrate. This could be onboard a space ship like other ET races use, but how is this then a different threat than those other races are?

If it runs on a substrate that permeates space, like another dimension, hyperspace or whatever, then it could be here and have been here for ever. But this also means that it could have interacted with humanity forever, so it's not exactly a new threat.

The only combination that makes sense from a threat perspective is, that it has been here forever, but was not able to interact with biological life. But if it could interact with electronic circuits, then it could be a new threat in our electronic age. But what's so special about electronics and semiconductors? We also use electricity and light as means of communication all biological cells.

It could be that an AI has a special affinity for digital computers and thus could infect them very easily. But coming back to the substrate, what if it is not digital, but quantum based? Why would it then have an affinity to our current digital technology? It would be far further down in development and maybe based on something completely different at all. Also any other advanced race would see our current digital computers as primitive tools that they could manipulate as easily as a pure AI.


if you were technological masters that wished to control a group of beings endowed with God given soul sovereignty that did not use technology, you would have to resort to false gods, myths, and displays of magic.

if you are trying to control the same people once they have developed mass digital communication, it is much easier, as the transmissions and circuits are not protected by any kind of sovereignty.

[Builder]

An interesting interview with Richard Dolan about AI.

But also no evidence regarding the original question of this thread:

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