The Corey Goode Factor as part of a Larger Reality

[aoibhghaire]

Bill suggested I start a new thread from the thread ‘Truth about Corey Goode’. This is not about an analysis of the truth about a person, it is dealing with a larger reality where Corey Goode being one microcosm of many microcosms in this larger reality.

Summary:

Bringing in a new level of awareness on to the planet comes in different forms. The two elements of Truth and Evidence is key to this end. We have two audiences here, for example the awakened ones about the truth about UFOs and the Extra terrestrial presence. The second audience are the Sleepers whom are ignorant to the real Truth about this reality and see the other audience as delusional. The key to this dichotomy is to avoid this resistance by going within mainstream which is the majority of the population, i.e. working within that system and creating a tipping point with that evidence. I’m optimistic that with creating the right tools that effort of creating the tipping point may come about. This type of scenario may disrupt the Goode fantasia and many others that support the many delusions in this arena.

This is a follow through from the ‘Truth about Corey Goode’

I’m seeing the Goode situation as a small piece in the microcosm on Earth. The points raised by Bill and others is part of the balance required. When we see this on a macroscopic scale we have a dichotomy of dark and light here on Earth on numerous occasions. This means no other place in this 'galaxy' can provide the simultaneous experience of pure love and exquisite beauty coupled with violence, hatred and destruction. This truly is a unique set-up. There are teams, multiple beings, human and those not from this world, whose sole purpose is to work together to provide this dichotomy to the souls who come to Earth.

These are the opportunities we create; however, free will dictates whether a soul chooses to use these gifts or not. Goode scenario is a gift for all of us.
The Goode interference is the appearance by design. Awakened individuals find it extremely disconcerting that beings would ‘interfere’ with the free flow of life. Quite the contrary; there have been ever so many times that this ‘interference’ is allowed by the whole purpose of its design.

The roles of these teams of beings whose mission is to create the illusion of bi-polar division; the light being no more important than the darkness. Servants of humanity who would as frequently antagonize or stir the pot, as create the miraculous moments, are all over the planet, guaranteeing that an incarnate soul can have the opportunity to live what they have come here for.

It is human nature to wish for world peace, to pray for unity, to hope for the world to live as One. That’s not the purpose of this planet and what it has to offer. It is also the reason that religions come and go, ‘Saviors’ are created, Holy texts are enshrined and humans are always looking forward to a time when there might be Peace on Earth. What they fail to realize is that there has never been total Peace nor will there ever be. Just as the species has never managed to annihilate itself, because’Others’ won’t allow it, this schoolhouse for hearty souls promises the experience of duality. Duality or separation from the Source of All That Is, is the mythology that spirits come here to engage in. The opportunities for expansion and the rush of temporarily believing that it’s even possible to detach from perfection, that’s what it’s all about.

The dichotomy for example, of the UFO Disclosure movement versus SETI’s possible scenario of ‘First ET Contact’ is a small case in mind, where we have an example of resistance taking place within the duality; i.e. mainstream (the majority of the population) in denial versus the life experience of thousands that know the absolute UFO/ET truth. However, the good news may have an unexpected positive result. In other words, that official contact through SETI may trigger a trending towards ET Disclosure. This could come about after SETI mainstream’s ‘First Contact’ via the UN, that may push a review of all the UFO material to the realization that ET is also in our backyard. Unfortunately, the Goode fantasy factor (non evidence) like many other individuals in history (e.g. ‘Heaven’s Gate’ 1996 illusion) will collapse, leaving the Sleepers disillusioned. This Goode fantasy is just a quick fix for a short time, an entrapment due to lack of discernment of Sleepers. More awakened people are on the increase; this realization is morphological within the Noosphere (thinking layer of Earth) is bringing this ever increasing level of awareness on to this planet. I’m optimistic this may gradually supersede the present state on this planet of its Sleeping audience, as this process works within the sleepers subconscious mind and gradually filters through to the conscious mind, this is a real process that works and is part of our evolution of humanity.

[norman]

I've got mixed feelings about all that but it's a topic opener for sure.

My first question is where does the idea come from that the purpose of life on earth is to experience duality?

I realise that there is a lot of possible evidence for that but if we progress through a discussion on this general topic with that as a given fact, I think we are setting off from the wrong foot.

This is a serious topic and I'd prefer to see it start off from a tighter realm of what we actually know for sure and what we don't.

[Mercedes]

I've got mixed feelings about all that but it's a topic opener for sure.

My first question is where does the idea come from that the purpose of life on earth is to experience duality?

I realise that there is a lot of possible evidence for that but if we progress through a discussion on this general topic with that as a given fact, I think we are setting off from the wrong foot.

This is a serious topic and I'd prefer to see it start off from a tighter realm of what we actually know for sure and what we don't.



I agree, why do we have to accept the notion that duality is the rule? Because it’s been said so many times? It does not feel right. And good and evil balance? So that gives us neutrality? Neutral does not cut it for me. I might be wrong on this , and the lesson could be in the suffering, but it’s just too hard to manage in my heart. Too painful . It‘s just is. And some would say that having only good would teach nothing and it would also be so boring. Well bore me to death . I’m not claiming to be full of goodness, mind you, I know I’m not, but just being here as it is is very very difficult not to react in some bad way to what surrounds us. This game has been rigged for too long.

[wnlight]

This is conjecture on my part and is based upon my limited experience in seeing a recent, subtle shift in personal perception. Many people (still a small minority) are realizing that there is something more than the dichotomy of duality. Perhaps the most difficult lesson to learn is that a person who does great evil is unwittingly following a divine plan - a plan that allows others the opportunity to accept duality as reality. The yin/yang symbol was created to illustrate how the two sides of duality fit together as one whole. An increasing number are beginning to realize this. My conclusion is that our planet Earth is providing souls the opportunity to choose duality or not as an environment to incarnate into. My knowledge base is too small to discern if there really is a shift in the world population. If it should turn out that the Earth is slowly shedding duality, then it would seem that another world would have to accept this burden so as to provide the schoolhouse environment of duality.

There are many on this forum that are more well read than I. Please do comment on my conjecture.

[aoibhghaire]

From the thread ‘Truth about Corey Goode.’ Here are some follow up questions below that may answer some of the questions mentioned above.

This is thanks Dylansdad for some good questions.

“Tell me, how can you authoritatively say that Earth is the only planet in all the galaxy where the duality of positive and negative is being played out, as you describe so poetically? Is this your personal view or the words of an authority you take seriously?”

No, this is not my personal view, this is an amalgamation of many sources in metaphysics as a summation. This was back in the twentieth century for teachings in those days. For example, Steiner and ‘The Tibetan’ back 100 years ago had discussed this process of duality for the soul when incarnating on the Earth. Steiner discusses the pre incarnation period, selecting the Earth as unique for an accelerated soul growth. The vedic teachings of thousands of years ago taught at Indian universities similar material. Also Phyllis V. Schlemmer whom worked with Dr Andrija Puharich and Sir John Whitmore (see references) that the Earth was a special focus for the Council of Nine. The development of esoteric teachings has grown a lot since those days.


The Only Planet of Choice by Phyllis V. Schlemmer
The Nine: Briefing from Deep Space by Stuart Holroyd
The Master Djwhal Khul (also known as the Tibetan)
Other sources like H.P. Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Rudolf Steiner, George Gurdjieff


“Frankly, with the almost limitless planets projected to have an Earth-like atmosphere, and the potential for life to evolve in totally different climes that would boost the statistics through the roof, how could you consider Earth unique in all the galaxy? If this was true, it seems like a hell of a lot of wasted space!"

"I am asking a serious question."

"I guess this brings up my often repeated maxim "Don't believe something just because someone said so" and a close cousin "Don't believe something just because it happens to tickle the fancy of your psychological profile."

The sources back in those days as mentioned above that the Earth is unique from a metaphysical point of view. Similarly, scientifically the Earth was also treated as unique until we could find evidence to show that it’s not. For example, the pre Copernican period comes to mind of a unique Earth at the center of the Universe. Until then, Copernicus showed theoretically that we were not. Then Kepler and Galileo proved by observation that the Earth was not unique. Its an evolving history coming down the line that changes when scientific observation evidence supports a theory.

However, I agree with you that the present situation in astronomy and cosmology has changed dramatically in recent years for the existence of possible exoplanet Earth like atmosphere. As we don’t have the evidence for this yet we may still have to refer to the Earth as unique. I disagree with you that there are

“ limitless planets projected to have an Earth-like atmosphere”.

This has not been proven yet until we have the spectroscopic resolution to determine a similar atmosphere to the Earth’s. However, I do agree with you that there is a wider band of atmospheric compositions that could create life.

This poses the question following from the Drake equation, how many ET civilizations are possibly there?.

Recent biological theories like convergent evolution theory [1] [2] and discoveries of significant number of habitable zone exoplanets within our galaxy, supports the possibility of extra terrestrial civilizations.[3] [4] [5] [6]. The possible existence of advanced extra terrestrial civilisations would support recent sociological theories trending towards cooperation and stability.[7]

[1] C.L.F. Martinez, SETI in the light of cosmic convergent evolution, Acta Astronautica, November 2014, DOI: 10.1016/j.actaastro.2014.08.013.

[2] S.C. Morris, Three explanations for Extraterrestrials: Sensible, Unlikely, Mad.,International Journal of Astrobiology. Oct 2016: 1-7, https://doi.org/10.1017/S1473550416000379.

[3] A.Frank and W.T.Sullivan III, A New Empirical Constraint on the Prevalence of Technological Species in the Universe, Astrobiology, May 2016, Vol. 16, No. 5: 359-362 .

[4] M.G. Gowanlock, A Model of Habitability Within the Milky Way Galaxy, Earth and Planetary Astrophysics arXiv:1107.1286, (2015)

[5] I.S.Morrison and M.G.Gowanlock, Extending Galactic Habitable Zone Modeling to Include the Emergence of Intelligent Life, Astrobiology. August 2015, Vol. 15, No. 8: 683-696

[6] R.G.Strom, We are not alone: Extraterrestrial Technological Life in our Galaxy, Astrobiol Outreach 2015, 3:5, (2015) http://dx.doi.org/10.4172/2332-2519.1000144.

[7] S. Pinker, The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined. New York: Viking. ISBN 9780670022953. (2011).

Your last comment

“I guess this brings up my often repeated maxim "Don't believe something just because someone said so" and a close cousin "Don't believe something just because it

happens to tickle the fancy of your psychological profile.”

I take your point. I don’t believe until I have evidence. I require evidence both in metaphysics from applying teachings to experiential confirmation which may not be scientifically proven. Similarly I require scientific evidence from theory and observation that then can be agreed upon by the many. Metaphysics is more challenging. This would require the student to explore inner space for evidence as compared to astronomy which is dealing with outer space for agreed results. Both fields require rigour in their application.

[mojo]

Corey Goode being one microcosm of many microcosms in this larger reality
This recent video of Goode shows how he is misdirecting the attack to say it's the haters causing the uproar, but in fact most people want evidence to be produced not a testimony.

3RflUhCtI2c

The balloon summoners out of LA share this commonality... For the most part the leaders of the group will not accept any point of view that is different than their own belief and in a sense they've become cult-like. I shared with the person whom wrote the comment and mentioned that many people in the ufo community believe in the so-called "skyfish" phenomenon but the person writing the comment wants to say the ufo community is close minded. This imo illustrates what Corey is doing. Only the primary narrative allowed...


In response to your last rant… No matter what we put out, the UFO community elites won’t like it. No matter what we put out, you’ll find yourself being blacklisted. What we’re doing definitely breaks the rules. I did a video on it. It’s called the Gadarene Swine Fallacy.
The Gadarene Swine Fallacy shows that the “norm” is sometimes horribly wrong. The only problem is with this, we are being attacked from the inside, within the “open-minded” UFO community.

[MythKitty]

This is a serious topic and I'd prefer to see it start off from a tighter realm of what we actually know for sure and what we don't.

Being new to all of this, I would LOVE to start with that as it's all a bit of a tangled, confusing mess.

[wnlight]

In reference to aoibhghaire's proof of the Earth as a unique place of duality.

Sorry, the Earth is unique only because you and I walk upon it. Astronomers have found many planets that might also support life, but beyond that is conjecture. Do these other planets support life? Are there people on them? Do they have free choice. Do they live in duality? Come on! None of those great philosophers listed above can convince me so. Nor can the scientists. My dowsing would be just as convincing to me.

Perhaps an interview with an ET could shed some light on these questions.

[Bill Ryan]

...a larger reality where Corey Goode being one microcosm of many microcosms in this larger reality.



Yes, of course.

But the macrocosm of which Corey is a small part is that those who are tasked and committed to protect some of their biggest secrets (the real ones!) are determined to infiltrate the UFO research community and spread confusion and division — which they're past masters at.

The real questions are:


What group is behind this?
What methods are they using, and which groups and individuals have been targeted?
Why are they doing this? And why now?

[Star Tsar]

The real questions are:
2) What methods are they using, and which groups and individuals have been targeted?



I think Larry Warren may be one such individual, He seems to be even more embattled & isolated than before with his friend of thirty years & Co-author Peter Robbins allegedly "turning on him" in a recent interview & Promoting Colonel Holt's new book, Colonel Holt resurfacing a little before that with fresh salvos & With a little Nick Pope thrown into the mix!


ZxrAlienWarrior

The Larry Warren Rebuttals

Published 28th May 2017

Larry Warren rebutts recent claims made recently by both Peter Robbins & Nick Pope (I could not find the radio show mentioned entitled Paranoraml Now with Peter Robbins if you do please post it)

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[Bayareamom]

Bill,

I think no. 3 is the most important of the three questions you've proffered. Doesn't really matter WHO is behind it - just that someone is. Deception is not so easily discerned. Sadly, I have learned in my own life's experiences that those of whom I had once always admired and respected have deceived me in ways of which I could never have imagined.

Taught me a valuable lesson, though - the art of discernment. I'm heartened to see the issues of 'discernment' and 'integrity' become more of a focus within this community. While it's painful seeing some of these events unravel, at the same time these events are revealing truths behind deceivers/deception which are sorely needed.

[Bill Ryan]

This is a serious topic and I'd prefer to see it start off from a tighter realm of what we actually know for sure and what we don't.

Being new to all of this, I would LOVE to start with that as it's all a bit of a tangled, confusing mess.

Yes, I really understand! :bigsmile:

Here's the super-condensed version of the saga. I believe this to be accurate.


Corey Goode was an Avalon member for a long time.



After he was interviewed in Sept-Oct 2014, he left the forum, became critically hostile to Avalon, and then very grossly embellished his previous story, seeking out David Wilcock to assist. Researcher and author Michael Salla has also promoted Corey's story. Many details of the story are generally held to be ridiculous and fantastical, and other parts plagiarized.



Wilcock and Gaia TV have now turned this (and Corey) into a money-making golden goose that they cannot afford to kill, unless the goose ceases to be an asset.



Genuine whistleblowers and careful researchers are now being in danger of being marginalized in the context of a marketing wave of populist comic-book promotion.



There is growing evidence that nefarious forces are at play, not just one person's [what some people see as] sociopathy.

[HiddenWaters]

This is my first post, i have followed this forum for a while, and i've gained an incredible amount of info here-the members are extremely well read!
1. I believe all life is "biologic"
2. I believe "biologic" life has visited this planet.
3. There is no point in speculating on "other dimensionsinal beings"- it leads us NO-WHERE"-show me proof?
4. Why do "Aliens" communicate with us and not cattle, or what ever else they may "mutilate"? I mean their all advanced and everything, right?
5. They ( The aliens?) are not Supernatural, beyond our universe, from another realm, they are biological and are defeatable?
6. Tom Delonge has been silenced, he is no different from you or I, listen to him, His first statement is alaways " i knew my MATERIAL", after 45 years of reading this "stuff", i know my material, too!
There has to be other space faring(?) civilasations out there, we are! in less than a hundred years of our current ascent, we have sent a probe beyond our solar system-not long before we travel light years away-we have to, eventually we will not be able to live here.
THERE IS NO PROOF OF ANYTHING ELSE, we would like to believe in an earth saving, GOD, but really?
Finally, any biologic species is competitive, it has to be to LIVE, it has to do better than every other individual to pro-create, there is no in between; any species that has advanced as far(or way further) is competitive, period-so we best be careful what we wish for, Corey Goode, Tom Delonge, any of them, have no clue! They are not here for our good, we will enter "THEIR" realm, they are afraid of us.

[bbow73]

I'd love to reply to this but it seems like it should have it's own thread.





From Bill: now moved here. Go ahead! :)

[WhiteLove]

But the macrocosm of which Corey is a small part is that those who are tasked and committed to protect some of their biggest secrets (the real ones!) are determined to infiltrate the UFO research community and spread confusion and division — which they're past masters at.

The real questions are:


What group is behind this?
What methods are they using, and which groups and individuals have been targeted?
Why are they doing this? And why now?


Spot on, those are the real questions.

Overall I have seen a campaign lately with mass flooding of UFO related information online appearing to be profile and business driven, most of this information is delivered as video content spreading on various online channels, where this information basically floods, disturbs and distorts the natural social online information flow so that the real and important stuff is becoming harder and harder to find.

Whatever content that is then left that has passed various copyright validations and similar tends to be this new type of UFO information that is delivered as a package with a "valid" commercial stamp on it. In other words, what appears to take place is a process where transparency and true democracy is being more and more undermind by corporate and government interest groups acting out power and control by gradually taking on bigger and bigger roles as being catalysts of information online. Really high quality information becomes more and more rare, because all of that information is sucked up, bought up, classified and made unavailable for public use on social media through various manipulative control methods playing out behind the scene and/or various algorithms and popular social definitions/trends.

But this same stuff is also totally obvious when you look at the information that actually gets released by FOIA requests, it is so blacked out that whatever that is left adds to a mystery rather than provides a clear view of the bigger picture because of the level of transparency and truth needed to communicate the truth that clearly.

So, therefore I conclude the issue is likely rooted in that same thing and mind set - the intelligence apparatus and the military industrial complex that might be using governments and businesses as tools for operation, whoever that controls that (which is probably rather complex rather than black and white) and that might well extend to forces/intelligences beyond earth.

We should avoid getting too drawn into various conspiracies easily forming from this new content that is packaged and delivered with the commercial stamp and instead keep being focused on the truth both when it's delivered commercially and non-commercially. Important to remain focused on the truth whatever it is, however it comes and whoever it passes through and contribute to that.

Density is a shared burden on earth, by focusing on love peace and truth we can not only dissolve the false but find more true versions of our truths. I believe we exist in an infinite miracle, all of the confusions on earth have very limited power in creation and on us in the greater scheme of things. We are together here to help each other overcome the false and grow spiritually to the next level, to the next level of truth and then take part in the miracle of that. Our subjective human version of peace and unconditional love is the key relative to where we are now, the key I believe is Christ consciousness of unconditional love, compassion and forgiveness. This love is what must come first in our process through the false, to re-discover that core of truth inside. The time has come for peace love and truth on earth. It is a small first step, but it changes everything in a way that grounds joy as a constant. At that point we will understand why that joy was always our to have forever and why creation is an infinite miracle. This is stuff too great and too important not to focus on. Beyond our density shield waits beautiful realities that surpass our wildest dreams and imaginations. To go beyond our limitations and hence gain access - just love unconditionally.

One way of understanding Corey is like this, he might have said a bunch of things he think is true but are not, but then on season X episode Y he mentioned the importance and truth of unconditional love, so it made the average truth level spike beyond those that are very true strictly speaking but still less true in the absolute sense because of what they are true about. Another way of understanding it is this - he could have lied on purpose many times maybe even without a damaging intention and in between all of it he was extremely much himself a number of times as his true being aligned to God's plan in those moments and this harmonized others in a way that brought out higher levels of absolute truth in those who watched, even with the lies in there. So density is there and relates to truth in the absolute sense as measured by God. This is because absolute truth scales along infinitely higher levels of unconditional love, therefore as we grow spiritually we are always forced to penetrate whatever subjective truths we have established, because they were previously established from a more limited perspective.

[MythKitty]

Being new to all of this, I would LOVE to start with that as it's all a bit of a tangled, confusing mess.

Yes, I really understand! :bigsmile:


Thank you. :clapping:

What about David Wilcock's work prior to teeming up with Cory? I don't know much about him but I've heard so many people speak highly of him.

[uzn]

Maybe they want to discredit the whole disclosure/Ufo movment by first building up someone fake and then ripping him apart publicly. To show everyone how stupid and crazy it is to believe in wild Fantasy. Just a thought.

[HiddenWaters]

Why would the "complex" wish to further this AGENDA? They may have "found a life form", but it seems to me using Tom Delonge, or Corey Goode, is a lame way to go about DISCLOSURE, most people in my world dont give a (rat's ass),sorry about the wording, about disclosure. Most people live their lives never giving it a second thought-are we being played? It is said in literature, and "psychological" studies, that the people that see UFO's are those that read about it, i've read all the literature for some 45 years (when my dad turned me on to Von Daaniken) in the late '60's or earle '70's, i dont remember, BUT, I'VE NEVER SEEN A UFO, although, ive touted their possible existence through the years. I think "THEY" have encountered someting, and have NO CLUE what it is, and, to keep some semblance of PEACE, they let out people like DELONGE, GOODE, to make us believe they "HAVE OUR BACK" so to speak, when in reality, they haven't a clue!ii

[samildamach]

Why would the "complex" wish to further this AGENDA? They may have "found a life form", but it seems to me using Tom Delonge, or Corey Goode, is a lame way to go about DISCLOSURE, most people in my world dont give a (rat's ass),sorry about the wording, about disclosure. Most people live their lives never giving it a second thought-are we being played? It is said in literature, and "psychological" studies, that the people that see UFO's are those that read about it

The numbers of people going down the rabbit hole and beginning to awaken is increasing.
At that point your belief systems are shattered, questioned,and your left questioning everything .
What you want more than anything at that point is an anchor,a rebuilding of reality.
Jump in the blue avains some great graphics and a story,jump in with many such psyops and you keep the new awakened in another layer that you control no closer to the truth and very much still in your control .

[Bill Ryan]

Being new to all of this, I would LOVE to start with that as it's all a bit of a tangled, confusing mess.

Yes, I really understand! :bigsmile:


Thank you. :clapping:

What about David Wilcock's work prior to teeming up with Cory? I don't know much about him but I've heard so many people speak highly of him.

Bulletpoint summary of David Wilcock: (bearing in mind that some of this is my personal opinion, but I do know quite a lot about him)



He's done a lot of good work. He has a very high intellect, is very articulate, and a huge ability to retain and recall data. He is also a good author.



Kerry Cassidy and I did quite a lot (in Project Camelot) to bring him to prominence back in 2007-8. Although he was already a known figure, he was at that time talented, modest, and a little unsure of himself in some ways. He was also very supportive of Camelot in that period, and we appreciated that.



Many people on the net (and many here on the forum) will say that his ego and desire for fame has grown since then to the degree that he is respected and liked quite a lot less.



Money has always been important to him. As long ago as 2009, he would not speak at a conference for less than $5,000.



There's one thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61721-An-Open-Letter-to-Mr.-David-Wilcock) (started by Weezer (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?16757-Weezer)) where she documents how she was defrauded by him out of $10,000.



There are many other Avalon threads about him (search (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?search_type=1) for 'Wilcock' in thread titles). Many point out that he has stated and predicted many things that are not true, or have not come about, all of which he appears to brush off.

[OMG]

Here's the super-condensed version of the saga. I believe this to be accurate.


Corey Goode was an Avalon member for a long time.



After he was interviewed in Sept-Oct 2014, he left the forum, became critically hostile to Avalon, and then very grossly embellished his previous story, seeking out David Wilcock to assist. Researcher and author Michael Salla has also promoted Corey's story. Many details of the story are generally held to be ridiculous and fantastical, and other parts plagiarized.



Wilcock and Gaia TV have now turned this (and Corey) into a money-making golden goose that they cannot afford to kill, unless the goose ceases to be an asset.



Genuine whistleblowers and careful researchers are now being in danger of being marginalized in the context of a marketing wave of populist comic-book promotion.



There is growing evidence that nefarious forces are at play, not just one person's [what some people see as] sociopathy.


Been waiting for something like this. Since I've written how I've been waiting for a condensed list of factual claims against Corey and all of the hype and conspiracy agenda behind him.



Yes Corey was an Avalon member.


Yes, Corey left Avalon. Bill has his version and Corey has his saying, said "There was quite a lot of extreme drama on that Forum that lead [sic] up to me closing my account." http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html?m=1



Corey's story expanded as his memories came back, etc. Bill makes it seem as if Corey is making it all up and yet has no "proof" that this is true. Not sure about the "plagiarism" charge. But for Corey to reach out to both Wilcock and Salla isn't a problem at all. It's natural to try to gain an audience and besides both of these individuals found sufficient grounds to support Corey. There's no wrong doing here at all. And what amazing UFO story isn't at some point rediculous sounding or fantastical. What type of 20th century human logic could even recognize with its current reasoning civilizations thousands of years in advance, higher dimensional beings, etc.



For Gaia, finding ways to make profit, market ideas and spread the message is what networks do. How is that a problem? And how does spreading Corey's information and UFO related subjects a bad thing? The ones getting the bad rap are clearly the Secret Gov and bad aliens. I see nothing wrong here.


To my knowledge, Corey never claimed he could prove anything, so anything provable can't be hurt. All his story does is help the over all awareness of people about such topics. And for those interested in "proof" from "credible" people there will be those as well as those who don't look and just follow...same story always.



We'll all be waiting for the evidence/proof of these "nefarious forces". Cause right now all I'm seeing is danger and fear rattling with little substance.


My two cents...cheers.

:)

[HiddenWaters]

There is NO blue aliens, WE want a savior, we get more HOPE, perhaps that is good enough for some, but not for me. I have a good life, a good "income" a great son and a great wife. But i (S-O-R-E-L-Y) want some answers. I truly believe in the idea that we have been visited, by BIOLOGIC entities from another part of the UNIVERSE, but quit feeding me BS to make "the powers that be" look good

[WhiteLove]

Being new to all of this, I would LOVE to start with that as it's all a bit of a tangled, confusing mess.

Yes, I really understand! :bigsmile:


Thank you. :clapping:

What about David Wilcock's work prior to teeming up with Cory? I don't know much about him but I've heard so many people speak highly of him.

Bulletpoint summary of David Wilcock: (bearing in mind that some of this is my personal opinion, but I do know quite a lot about him)



He's done a lot of good work. He has a very high intellect, is very articulate, and a huge ability to retain and recall data. He is also a good author.



Kerry Cassidy and I did quite a lot (in Project Camelot) to bring him to prominence back in 2007-8. Although he was already a known figure, he was at that time talented, modest, and a little unsure of himself in some ways. He was also very supportive of Camelot in that period, and we appreciated that.



Many people on the net (and many here on the forum) will say that his ego and desire for fame has grown since then to the degree that he is respected and liked quite a lot less.



Money has always been important to him. As long ago as 2009, he would not speak at a conference for less than $5,000.



There's one thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61721-An-Open-Letter-to-Mr.-David-Wilcock) (started by Weezer (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?16757-Weezer)) where she documents how she was defrauded by him out of $10,000.



There are many other Avalon threads about him (search (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?search_type=1) for 'Wilcock' in thread titles). Many point out that he has stated and predicted many things that are not true, or have not come about, ALL of which he appears to brush off.


Crisp, the only thing I wanted to highlight was that on the last George Noorey show Beyond Belief on Gaia he did not entirely brush off the prediction of mass banker arrests, he balanced it off against something else a little but he pointed out that this stuff had turned out differently from what he had been writing and pointed out a lot.

[norman]

...a larger reality where Corey Goode being one microcosm of many microcosms in this larger reality.



Yes, of course.

But the macrocosm of which Corey is a small part is that those who are tasked and committed to protect some of their biggest secrets (the real ones!) are determined to infiltrate the UFO research community and spread confusion and division — which they're past masters at.

The real questions are:



What group is behind this?
What methods are they using, and which groups and individuals have been targeted?
Why are they doing this? And why now?



4. How much are our reactions being fed back into the hive algorythm ( human or A.I. )

[Jad]

I am not sure if this was posted before here, just watch as much as you can stomach Wilcock's huge ego and you'll clearly see how they are acting exactly like some 2 life insurance reps who are crushing it in sales and bragging about how everyone wants to be in their shoes... This whole truth spreading is simply their commodity to sell. David is so money focused that he is even trying to speculate how much money people are making from online hits from "copying" his material as if it was all lost revenue for him... If his true intentions were seriously about spreading the truth then he shouldn't be concerned about losing $60 bucks from lost video hits...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiqH4bdnLvQ

[Shannon]

I am not sure if this was posted before here, just watch as much as you can stomach Wilcock's huge ego and you'll clearly see how they are acting exactly like some 2 life insurance reps who are crushing it in sales and bragging about how everyone wants to be in their shoes... This whole truth spreading is simply their commodity to sell. David is so money focused that he is even trying to speculate how much money people are making from online hits from "copying" his material as if it was all lost revenue for him... If his true intentions were seriously about spreading the truth then he should't be concerned about loosing $60 bucks from lost video hits...



Right off the bat. "Another day, another dollar"...

[Flash]

I am not sure if this was posted before here, just watch as much as you can stomach Wilcock's huge ego and you'll clearly see how they are acting exactly like some 2 life insurance reps who are crushing it in sales and bragging about how everyone wants to be in their shoes... This whole truth spreading is simply their commodity to sell. David is so money focused that he is even trying to speculate how much money people are making from online hits from "copying" his material as if it was all lost revenue for him... If his true intentions were seriously about spreading the truth then he should't be concerned about loosing $60 bucks from lost video hits...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiqH4bdnLvQ

the non verbal language is incredible to look at, quite interesting
hey
However, I do understand clearly that they are using irony all along - the millions dollars house were not million dollars ones ) the perks of corporate world to live in those houses is no perk at all, this is middle class, etc etc. Irony all along.

Not as much bloated ego as I would have thought from the thread comments, but not nice either.
4 Bedroom which is about the David's house in the video, 3 to 4 bedrooms
$850,000 3 months ago
-8.6%
$845,000 now
$930,000 one year ago
$548,750 5 years ago

3 bedroomsà
3 Bedroom
$648,500 few months ago
-6.0%
$652,125 now
$690,000 one year ago
$442,000 5 years ago
Boulder Colorado housing market price:

[Jad]

So you watched the whole video and concluded that Wilcock is a modest man who is not obsessed with money? I mean the guy was literally justifying to himself not giving money for homeless people while he is looking for handouts to help him spread "the truth"?

[Flash]

So you watched the whole video and concluded that Wilcock is a modest man who is not obsessed with money? I mean the guy was literally justifying to himself not giving money for homeless people while he is looking for handouts to help him spread "the truth"?

you are concluding for me quite truly - i never mentioned any conclusion

i just said they are ironising all along - we have to be quite dumb or emotional not to see this

however, their non verbal language talks mountains, very interesting

also the overly tired face of David, either he flew across the continent the previous night or has been partying lolll

and, from a comment from Bill saying that David was not going to any conference below 5,000$ in payments and this, in 2009, says a lot too, but it is not in that video

funny that David talks of micro movements being overly perceived on a big screen in conferences and is not aware of his micro movements when talking in the car....

[Bluegreen]

I am not sure if this was posted before here, just watch as much as you can stomach Wilcock's huge ego and you'll clearly see how they are acting exactly like some 2 life insurance reps who are crushing it in sales and bragging about how everyone wants to be in their shoes... This whole truth spreading is simply their commodity to sell. David is so money focused that he is even trying to speculate how much money people are making from online hits from "copying" his material as if it was all lost revenue for him...

:clapping: Now that's my idea of entertainment
I get the same feeling watching this as I got from Jim & Tammy Faye, the Crouches, and David Miscavige :wof:
I love to gasp and laugh at the same time ... moar pleez

[MythKitty]

Bulletpoint summary of David Wilcock: (bearing in mind that some of this is my personal opinion, but I do know quite a lot about him)


He's done a lot of good work. He has a very high intellect, is very articulate, and a huge ability to retain and recall data. He is also a good author.



Kerry Cassidy and I did quite a lot (in Project Camelot) to bring him to prominence back in 2007-8. Although he was already a known figure, he was at that time talented, modest, and a little unsure of himself in some ways. He was also very supportive of Camelot in that period, and we appreciated that.



Many people on the net (and many here on the forum) will say that his ego and desire for fame has grown since then to the degree that he is respected and liked quite a lot less.



Money has always been important to him. As long ago as 2009, he would not speak at a conference for less than $5,000.



There's one thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61721-An-Open-Letter-to-Mr.-David-Wilcock) (started by Weezer (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?16757-Weezer)) where she documents how she was defrauded by him out of $10,000.



There are many other Avalon threads about him (search (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?search_type=1) for 'Wilcock' in thread titles). Many point out that he has stated and predicted many things that are not true, or have not come about, all of which he appears to brush off.


I'm guessing the number of people you can trust in this field just keeps getting smaller, right? I can't say it's a surprise, it tends to happen to a good number of people in the spotlight. It makes it increasingly difficult for people like myself, new to all of this, to find reliable information.:(

[bluestflame]

am reminded of 60 minutes story on the "channeler" carlos , had james randis envolvement , long story short they built it up , sucked in a lot of genuinely motivated people then ridiculed them in the subsequent expose

http://www.abc.net.au/science/correx/archives/randi4.htm

[MythKitty]

...just watch as much as you can stomach

3:45... that's as far as I got.

I just want to know where one applies for a job as a paid troll? :evil::typing::cash::bigsmile:

[WhiteLove]

In Viewer Questions part 7(https://www.gaia.com/video/viewer-questions-part-7?fullplayer=feature) at 03:00 onwards Corey mentions something that to me stands out, stuff that makes me think there could be a kernel of truth in some of his insights.

What he mentions is that the process of raising your vibration is a process of looking less outside of yourself and more inside, to face and deal with stuff on the inside.

Although this is not a totally new idea in this field and the science of psychology, it is worth noting that he actually suggests this, he could have gone in a much more exciting more selling direction with this, the fact that he did not indicates that maybe he is in contact with some source of higher intelligence, because this correlates with my experience as well, this is how density works.

If you hurt someone and you feel you had that impact on that person, then if you do not ask that person for forgiveness, that information that remains unresolved is going to remain locked up in your density shield and carry weight.

This is what carrying weight is all about. Density increases when you hurt and when you are hurt. Density increases when you receive false deceptive information that you buy into - for instance lies in daily news headlines... By releasing density the vibration increases since what is left is now more true. So I agree with Corey that raising your vibration is about clearing/resolving the false that builds up that density. Even at 4th density of human subjective peace vibration you have a lot of density left because the subjective is bound to a certain level of limitation, but it is much less than in 3rd density. Although we are not aware of it now, if we would be in 4th density and quickly shift down to 3rd density it is like taking on layers upon layers of a heavy jacket that puts pressure at/on the chest. I know this because I have experienced it, not only this but densities below 3rd density too as well as densities above 4th. At 4th density you experience your subjective imagination of what it is like to exist in a place of true peace. From that state of peace although you do not think it is possible (you think the glass is full) there are infinitely higher levels of peace. To break free from what is already at your subjective imagination max - is beyond words to describe what it is like, it is a flood of love beyond anything you can currently imagine.

[Bill Ryan]

It makes it increasingly difficult for people like myself, new to all of this, to find reliable information.:(

Yes, it's a real problem. Kudos to you for asking good questions... exactly the place to start. :thumbsup:

This may be a very useful thread:


Who is your favorite source of reliable information in Ufology? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95719-Who-is-your-favorite-source-of-reliable-information-in-Ufology)

I chipped in with my opinions in post #3, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95719-Who-is-your-favorite-source-of-reliable-information-in-Ufology&p=1130868&viewfull=1#post1130868).

[araucaria]

I am not sure if this was posted before here, just watch as much as you can stomach Wilcock's huge ego and you'll clearly see how they are acting exactly like some 2 life insurance reps who are crushing it in sales and bragging about how everyone wants to be in their shoes... This whole truth spreading is simply their commodity to sell. David is so money focused that he is even trying to speculate how much money people are making from online hits from "copying" his material as if it was all lost revenue for him... If his true intentions were seriously about spreading the truth then he should't be concerned about loosing $60 bucks from lost video hits...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiqH4bdnLvQ

(...)
Not as much bloated ego as I would have thought from the thread comments, but not nice either.
4 Bedroom which is about the David's house in the video, 3 to 4 bedrooms
$850,000 3 months ago
-8.6%
$845,000 now
$930,000 one year ago
$548,750 5 years ago
(...)

One way of knowing where one stands in matters like this is when dissenting voices get defined collectively as paid trolls, as in this video. That means that anyone on Avalon who has posted on this subject is an alleged paid troll, something they simply know is not true. While this is personal subjective knowledge, its being shared by a community tarred with a single brush makes it somewhat objective. If you kind of suspected that Daniel Liszt, Bill Ryan and others were not paid trolls, then this personal knowledge that you yourself are not makes that suspicion something of a certainty.

The trouble is that this same rationale also operates in other cases: real trolls, paid or unpaid, conscious or unconscious, will stick together for exactly the same reason. So which side are we on? Rather than two sides, I suspect it is more of a continuum leading up to a watershed where anything can happen. There is no other guide than total honesty in knowing who you are and who you want to be, which direction you want to take. We appear to be at the parting of the ways, arriving on a single railway platform with trains leaving in either direction and a bustle to get everyone on the right train.

There are people on both sides who know who they are and who they want to be, and the two things coincide. But in the middle, there are others for whom, for whatever reason, the two do not coincide. Whoever they want to be, they are either being deceived and/or deceiving themselves, and they need to work out who they really are. One’s task is to help such people, to help us all. How? By bringing whatever vision and lucidity we can to this process of the blind leading the blind.

Here is a tiny concrete instance of (self-)deception I noted years ago in the David Wilcock material. I had been reading about his making a big deal of a little number synchronicity thing whereby he would be seeing the same digit (any digit) aligned in threes in his view count. Since this was a five-figure number, we are talking about a 33/1 chance. This could be significant depending on how often you check. But if you take this seriously, as he does, then you will likely be checking more often and thereby both increasing your chances and decreasing the significance; hence the process becomes weakly self-fulfilling. But that is not my point here. The idea was that whatever one had just been thinking when such a synchronicity popped up was important; so I decided to give it a try.

So I came to a piece about how David’s mother came into a valuable piece of land to build a house on, as a gift from a friend (this is my segue with Flash’s post). This suggested how aligned she was with the universe (and her son by association?): she had this accommodation problem, and a beautiful solution just came along at the right moment. I thought, well maybe so; but it could be a case of plain... corruption. I then came across a ‘you-know-it-makes-sense’ donation request, and I thought, No I don’t think so! And I promptly had one of those little synchronicities telling me to attach importance to what I had just been thinking!

You see, it doesn’t matter what one thinks of this stuff: it is self-debunking: by its own criteria it simply does not work. There is self-deception at work here since Wilcock’s own protocol can be used to invalidate his own data. Note: in the above, I have not demonstrated in any way that his mother did not just happen to have a generous friend who gave her some land: maybe she did. I simply had the thought that it might be otherwise, and was instructed to see that thought as significant. It WAS significant, not as evidence of corruption, only as proof of David’s self-delusion on this one point. It would of course be self-delusional to read more into it than that.

This is what serious research is about. Tiny details lead to limited conclusions. Something may be a one-off (mistake) or part of a series of one-offs. It can be extremely hard going for the researcher unwilling to draw overarching conclusions – and for his readers, if they are looking for yes-or-no answers. But if similar cases come to light, a pattern is formed, and researchers begin to learn what to look for and where to look for it. They start making predictions and it begins to get scientific: progress becomes a little easier.

The same painstaking approach is required in researching synchronicity itself, otherwise it floats off into woo-woo insignificance. It is not some kind of magic recipe, it is something firmly grounded in reality; in other words, it has an identifiable material aspect. This is where the danger lies and the wool gets pulled over your eyes. Spiritualism without the tiny, unambitious steps of materialism is the best excuse for all kinds of deceptions and shortcuts, as GK Chesterton’s priest-detective Father Brown knew perfectly well. Here is a quote I made from Chesterton 18 months ago in the Shane thread:


there are signs that the irrational Jones still dreams at night of this old
idea of having an ordinary home. He asked for so little, and he has been offered so
much. He has been offered bribes of worlds and systems; he has been offered Eden
and Utopia and the New Jerusalem, and he only wanted a house; and that has been
refused him. (…)
The idea of private property universal but private, the idea of families free but still
families, of domesticity democratic but still domestic, of one man one house--this
remains the real vision and magnet of mankind.

[amor]

I would like to restate a thought in keeping with this subject for those reading this series of posts as it may be what is actually going on. We know there are people whose heads and minds will be turned by money, especially after a long drought of same. What Good has claimed sounds much like what those who claimed to be in the outer space program have claimed relative to being used off-world and then being returned in time to their previous lives, without missing time, such as those who served time on Mars as the Military there. If none of this happened to him, he is just parroting what others have claimed. Also, it is possible that the Military Industrial Complex is paying to muddy the waters of THEIR SPACE PROGRAM in order to keep their trillions of stolen dollars flowing out of the pockets of the ignorant public. Get whistle blowers to lie and then expose them as such tells the gullible there is no such program going on. Follow the money!

[Flash]

I do not know if my lack of understanding is due to getting senile or what, but I did not understood the link with my post and yours. Convoluted writing or too smart for me?

Pitié! Peut-être aussi me suis-je mal exprimée dans mon post et conséquemment je ne vois pas les liens, ayant été perçue différemment de l'impact escompté, que sais-je? Araucaria, peux-tu allumer mon cerveau déficient?




I am not sure if this was posted before here, just watch as much as you can stomach Wilcock's huge ego and you'll clearly see how they are acting exactly like some 2 life insurance reps who are crushing it in sales and bragging about how everyone wants to be in their shoes... This whole truth spreading is simply their commodity to sell. David is so money focused that he is even trying to speculate how much money people are making from online hits from "copying" his material as if it was all lost revenue for him... If his true intentions were seriously about spreading the truth then he should't be concerned about loosing $60 bucks from lost video hits...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiqH4bdnLvQ

(...)
Not as much bloated ego as I would have thought from the thread comments, but not nice either.
4 Bedroom which is about the David's house in the video, 3 to 4 bedrooms
$850,000 3 months ago
-8.6%
$845,000 now
$930,000 one year ago
$548,750 5 years ago
(...)

One way of knowing where one stands in matters like this is when dissenting voices get defined collectively as paid trolls, as in this video. That means that anyone on Avalon who has posted on this subject is an alleged paid troll, something they simply know is not true. While this is personal subjective knowledge, its being shared by a community tarred with a single brush makes it somewhat objective. If you kind of suspected that Daniel Liszt, Bill Ryan and others were not paid trolls, then this personal knowledge that you yourself are not makes that suspicion something of a certainty.

The trouble is that this same rationale also operates in other cases: real trolls, paid or unpaid, conscious or unconscious, will stick together for exactly the same reason. So which side are we on? Rather than two sides, I suspect it is more of a continuum leading up to a watershed where anything can happen. There is no other guide than total honesty in knowing who you are and who you want to be, which direction you want to take. We appear to be at the parting of the ways, arriving on a single railway platform with trains leaving in either direction and a bustle to get everyone on the right train.

There are people on both sides who know who they are and who they want to be, and the two things coincide. But in the middle, there are others for whom, for whatever reason, the two do not coincide. Whoever they want to be, they are either being deceived and/or deceiving themselves, and they need to work out who they really are. One’s task is to help such people, to help us all. How? By bringing whatever vision and lucidity we can to this process of the blind leading the blind.

Here is a tiny concrete instance of (self-)deception I noted years ago in the David Wilcock material. I had been reading about his making a big deal of a little number synchronicity thing whereby he would be seeing the same digit (any digit) aligned in threes in his view count. Since this was a five-figure number, we are talking about a 33/1 chance. This could be significant depending on how often you check. But if you take this seriously, as he does, then you will likely be checking more often and thereby both increasing your chances and decreasing the significance; hence the process becomes weakly self-fulfilling. But that is not my point here. The idea was that whatever one had just been thinking when such a synchronicity popped up was important; so I decided to give it a try.

So I came to a piece about how David’s mother came into a valuable piece of land to build a house on, as a gift from a friend (this is my segue with Flash’s post). This suggested how aligned she was with the universe (and her son by association?): she had this accommodation problem, and a beautiful solution just came along at the right moment. I thought, well maybe so; but it could be a case of plain... corruption. I then came across a ‘you-know-it-makes-sense’ donation request, and I thought, No I don’t think so! And I promptly had one of those little synchronicities telling me to attach importance to what I had just been thinking!

You see, it doesn’t matter what one thinks of this stuff: it is self-debunking: by its own criteria it simply does not work. There is self-deception at work here since Wilcock’s own protocol can be used to invalidate his own data. Note: in the above, I have not demonstrated in any way that his mother did not just happen to have a generous friend who gave her some land: maybe she did. I simply had the thought that it might be otherwise, and was instructed to see that thought as significant. It WAS significant, not as evidence of corruption, only as proof of David’s self-delusion on this one point. It would of course be self-delusional to read more into it than that.

This is what serious research is about. Tiny details lead to limited conclusions. Something may be a one-off (mistake) or part of a series of one-offs. It can be extremely hard going for the researcher unwilling to draw overarching conclusions – and for his readers, if they are looking for yes-or-no answers. But if similar cases come to light, a pattern is formed, and researchers begin to learn what to look for and where to look for it. They start making predictions and it begins to get scientific: progress becomes a little easier.

The same painstaking approach is required in researching synchronicity itself, otherwise it floats off into woo-woo insignificance. It is not some kind of magic recipe, it is something firmly grounded in reality; in other words, it has an identifiable material aspect. This is where the danger lies and the wool gets pulled over your eyes. Spiritualism without the tiny, unambitious steps of materialism is the best excuse for all kinds of deceptions and shortcuts, as GK Chesterton’s priest-detective Father Brown knew perfectly well. Here is a quote I made from Chesterton 18 months ago in the Shane thread:


there are signs that the irrational Jones still dreams at night of this old
idea of having an ordinary home. He asked for so little, and he has been offered so
much. He has been offered bribes of worlds and systems; he has been offered Eden
and Utopia and the New Jerusalem, and he only wanted a house; and that has been
refused him. (…)
The idea of private property universal but private, the idea of families free but still
families, of domesticity democratic but still domestic, of one man one house--this
remains the real vision and magnet of mankind.

[norman]

. . . . So which side are we on? Rather than two sides, I suspect it is more of a continuum leading up to a watershed where anything can happen. There is no other guide than total honesty in knowing who you are and who you want to be, which direction you want to take. We appear to be at the parting of the ways, arriving on a single railway platform with trains leaving in either direction and a bustle to get everyone on the right train.

There are people on both sides who know who they are and who they want to be, and the two things coincide. But in the middle, there are others for whom, for whatever reason, the two do not coincide. Whoever they want to be, they are either being deceived and/or deceiving themselves, and they need to work out who they really are. One’s task is to help such people, to help us all. How? By bringing whatever vision and lucidity we can to this process of the blind leading the blind.

. . . . . . . .


From reading this part of this post, the idea popped into my head that there may be a situation going on where the phenomenal realisation that we have lived our whole lives under a fiction (a big fat lie), and lived seemingly successfully up to this point, has made the possibility of going forward into the future from here under another self chosen fiction (another big fat lie) seem like a perfectly plausible thing to do.

[Foxie Loxie]

Good point, Norman! :ROFL:

[araucaria]

[QUOTE=Flash;1157240]I do not know if my lack of understanding is due to getting senile or what, but I did not understood the link with my post and yours. Convoluted writing or too smart for me?
/QUOTE]
Hi Flash
I doubt if you’re going senile, although I might be! Anyway, the misunderstanding is my fault. I didn’t actually say there was a link, but a segue. To segue is to contrive a link where none may exist, simply going from one thing to the next. The Monty Python line ‘And now for something completely different’ is a total non sequitur of a link, which starts the show and so only segues with whatever serious programme was on before: the connection is no connection.

So I wouldn’t worry about a possible link or otherwise between our posts. The only real connection was the business about houses. Let me try and explore that. The actual value of the house in Boulder CA is perhaps secondary to the fact that it was accommodation laid on apparently free of rent by David Wilcock’s employer. Or was that irony too? The irony per se bothers me. The story for me created a pattern with the one about his mother and suggested that free gifts are maybe not entirely free; they create a debt towards someone. While in many cases, a house comes with the job as a perfectly acceptable perk with no strings attached, it might not be a good idea for people in certain positions, i.e. promoting free thinking, even to be seen as possibly less than totally independent.

So, while there was irony in the valuing of the house, as you pointed out, that seems to me to be beside the point. It is comfortable enough; the question is, is the occupant bought and paid for? There is a parallel with the David Icke video, where he presented his tiny apartment following allegations that he was making good money selling his wares. The allegations were unfounded and that was the only criticism being made of his writings. Wilcock’s baseline seems so much higher; money and creature comforts clearly matter to him, perhaps more than sits well with his position. It should, but probably does not, shock his followers who are probably much harder up and are the ones financing this whole business. These are people who in the Chesterton quote are only asking for a place to live and are not getting that. Chesterton was referring to traditional religion promising eternal life and not ministering to people’s immediate material needs. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

Actually, I am not saying very much at all: just confirming what we all know, that this is a commercial and religious enterprise. Which is to say that it is very much part of the problem, and cannot be even a part of the solution.

[araucaria]

From reading this part of this post, the idea popped into my head that there may be a situation going on where the phenomenal realisation that we have lived our whole lives under a fiction (a big fat lie), and lived seemingly successfully up to this point, has made the possibility of going forward into the future from here under another self chosen fiction (another big fat lie) seem like a perfectly plausible thing to do.
Yes, this is probably very true, with the proviso that the notion of a lie is perhaps an unnecessarily morally negative way of describing what is going on. Fiction is one neutral alternative: the idea that we are characters in a novel or actors in a play. Someone has to play the villain. Let’s put on a new play, we’re tired of this one. Or it is a game. Some people are taking this game too seriously, they are bending the rules and cheating, and they have to win every time. Let’s find another game to play where they can’t do that. Maybe the cheats won’t be interested in playing any more. Or maybe the game is getting too violent: people are getting hurt. Do we ban the game altogether, or can we introduce safety rules to make it safer? There are various ways to take a more positive approach to this. People are taking things too seriously and people are getting hurt; it is a game no longer (hasn’t been for a long time maybe). Lightening up is both what we need to do and how we need to do it. Which is somewhat paradoxical, because it is also the way the take this serious problem with the utmost seriousness.

This is more important than the lie as deception. The game itself is all about make-believe. It cannot be any other way. If we come from a place of eternal perfection, then any wandering away from the possible boredom of that state is a form of imperfection, whether it be just for the hell of it or because perfection cannot be perfect without imperfection (it cannot be boring). So the deception per se is not a problem, since imperfection unavoidably involves something less than perfection, taking something away from perfection, hiding something (secrecy etc.). It cannot be more, as over-serious satanism claims.

[Foxie Loxie]

So....we have another cult! :idea: Let's hope they don't all follow someone & commit suicide as happened in Calif....don't remember....was it in the 80's or 90's?

[ExomatrixTV]

3pQe9Q_W1p0

[Spiral]

I'm just going to jump right in here, It was hard to pick a CG thread for this but the title of this one is the best for what I have to say.

If you have read about previous ufo cults & the connection between "aliens" and the paranormal (Jacques Vallee's "Invisible Collage" being the best place to start) you will know that this type of thing goes back as far as the "UFO" phenomena being a cultural entity in it's own right, there is little new in CG's offerings, other than it is a child of it's time (marketing, apps & so on).

Another aspect of the UFO phenomena as anyone who has done the research will tell you, is that it seems that whatever intelligence is behind this phenomena is the main agent in obfuscating the facts, this is hard to ignore, as is they one thing this "intelligence" is keen on,...... and that is being perceived as "aliens" or "extra terrestrial"....

Remember Uri Geller ? Another ufo cult founder, also did things in a laboratory that couldn't be explained.

There is a whole history of UFO cults that also espouse "white supremacy" mixed in with all the other nonsense.

In fact once you see the UFO aspect as just a meme of our time (yes I know they exist I've seen them etc) you can see a pattern that goes back through cults to the occult revival of the 1800's and on back to at least John Dee.

Deception is a major part of these things, along with enough "high strangeness" & novelty to keep people interested ....but they always end up washed up & dissapointed.

What am I saying ?

They aren't aliens, blue avians don't exist, CG has plagerised the entire UFO community, the genuine researchers & charlatans alike, creating a heady mix that serves to mix the credible with made up madness & intoxicate the unaware whilst sleep walking them into "opening up" to gawd knows what entities.

CG isn't alone in doing this either, he is just the front man du jour, Steven Greer is not a million miles off with his "orb shows" , in fact it's huge as a movement.

Whilst all this is making a lot of noise there are other aspects of this "movement" outside of CG & co, not least FREE & their desire to control the whole perception of what contactees & abducteees experience http://www.experiencer.org/

Look at this they are selling, note the similarities ?? http://noetic.org/ looks even worse & even better financed !!!!

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Through a bunch of inter-forum drama I got to experience first hand the fact that Goode is a pathological liar and makes up bizarre stories to always play a victim and excuse his own behavior. Either he is a pathological liar or else he has a clinical disorder, and I mean that in a serious way, the way some people have believed for some time it could be some form of abuse, maybe military abduction or something. Who knows, but the guy gets criticized and immediately turns on his fantastical story machine.

[Spiral]

Through a bunch of inter-forum drama I got to experience first hand the fact that Goode is a pathological liar and makes up bizarre stories to always play a victim and excuse his own behavior. Either he is a pathological liar or else he has a clinical disorder, and I mean that in a serious way, the way some people have believed for some time it could be some form of abuse, maybe military abduction or something. Who knows, but the guy gets criticized and immediately turns on his fantastical story machine.

I witnessed that first hand too, if he has been messed with in anyway it's to push the disinfo & now decidedly dodgy "spiritual" material he does.

Real abductees & MILABs do not have crystal clear memories that form neat narratives, it just doesn't happen, in fact the exact opposite is true, they have confusing fractions of memories, all mixed up with overwhelming emotions & trauma.

All secret military projects are very compartmentalised too, barely anyone knows much of anything, and and of those who do there is NO way they will come forward, not even if they could !

[aoibhghaire]

Just expanding on Spiral's delivery within the context of a larger reality.

imho the force behind the UFO phenomenon and its range of wide spectrum of manifestations has emerged in history many times going way back to written recordings in the Roman Empire. Operating as a control mechanism unfolding many manifestations to altering human affairs. An example comes to mind is this year is the 100th anniversary of Fatima. Carl Jung expected this collective thought form as mandela’s in the sky. The more solid looking the mandala correlating to an unbalanced society. John Mack’s abduction research showed that the phenomena was to do with interventions to balance nature. However, Helmut Lammar’s research shows the human initiated application of MILABS of abusing citizen’s is doing the opposite by creating fear not balance, one of many tools for control of populations in this modern era.

Vallee’s ‘Magonia’ was a tipping point to our understanding the phenomenon. The awareness of this thinking is a resistence within our materialistic/reductionist society. Its an important phenomenon that has influenced society down the ages.. Its even more important now, been on a global scale with the awareness of it through the internet. By making an effort to explore this for what it is dispels of any fantasia that recurs in mainstream. This larger reality of this within the Goode fantasia is a case in point. This doesn’t rule out extraterrestrial visitations to our planet in the past and may be happening at present.

The longer we remain ignorant of it, the more we guarantee that it will retain power over us. Again, its our ignorance of not knowing this UFO phenomena that will raise its head again in the many UFO cults where this is a lack of discernment by sleepers.

[uzn]

So....we have another cult! :idea: Let's hope they don't all follow someone & commit suicide as happened in Calif....don't remember....was it in the 80's or 90's?

The Cult was called "Heaven´s Gate". Corey´s Crew could use that as Inspiration. How about "Goode Heavens" or Goode`s Gate" ;)

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Following a cult is never a good idea.
That´s how it ended:
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The Comet did not take them, this Van did.

[Flash]

Thanks for the explanation Araucaria.

Since following your own words, you were not saying much ;), we will call it "coq à l'âne" which seems to be quite similar to "segue", if I understand well this time around.

As for Wilcock and Corey, it is obvious to me that they do like comfort and free bees - and maybe partying for Wilcock.. Which could make them easier to buy while forgetting to live within their heart and consciousness.

Anyhow, doing public presentation and having an admiring crowd can be quite addictive as well, with the money coming from it.

I just wish Kerry and Bill would have the same kind of revenues with their honest approach. Honesty does not pay (I mean materially, it pays for your inside values and being).


[QUOTE=Flash;1157240]I do not know if my lack of understanding is due to getting senile or what, but I did not understood the link with my post and yours. Convoluted writing or too smart for me?
/QUOTE]
Hi Flash
I doubt if you’re going senile, although I might be! Anyway, the misunderstanding is my fault. I didn’t actually say there was a link, but a segue. To segue is to contrive a link where none may exist, simply going from one thing to the next. The Monty Python line ‘And now for something completely different’ is a total non sequitur of a link, which starts the show and so only segues with whatever serious programme was on before: the connection is no connection.

So I wouldn’t worry about a possible link or otherwise between our posts. The only real connection was the business about houses. Let me try and explore that. The actual value of the house in Boulder CA is perhaps secondary to the fact that it was accommodation laid on apparently free of rent by David Wilcock’s employer. Or was that irony too? The irony per se bothers me. The story for me created a pattern with the one about his mother and suggested that free gifts are maybe not entirely free; they create a debt towards someone. While in many cases, a house comes with the job as a perfectly acceptable perk with no strings attached, it might not be a good idea for people in certain positions, i.e. promoting free thinking, even to be seen as possibly less than totally independent.

So, while there was irony in the valuing of the house, as you pointed out, that seems to me to be beside the point. It is comfortable enough; the question is, is the occupant bought and paid for? There is a parallel with the David Icke video, where he presented his tiny apartment following allegations that he was making good money selling his wares. The allegations were unfounded and that was the only criticism being made of his writings. Wilcock’s baseline seems so much higher; money and creature comforts clearly matter to him, perhaps more than sits well with his position. It should, but probably does not, shock his followers who are probably much harder up and are the ones financing this whole business. These are people who in the Chesterton quote are only asking for a place to live and are not getting that. Chesterton was referring to traditional religion promising eternal life and not ministering to people’s immediate material needs. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

Actually, I am not saying very much at all: just confirming what we all know, that this is a commercial and religious enterprise. Which is to say that it is very much part of the problem, and cannot be even a part of the solution.

[Dylansdad]

I'm just going to jump right in here, It was hard to pick a CG thread for this but the title of this one is the best for what I have to say.

If you have read about previous ufo cults & the connection between "aliens" and the paranormal (Jacques Vallee's "Invisible Collage" being the best place to start) you will know that this type of thing goes back as far as the "UFO" phenomena being a cultural entity in it's own right, there is little new in CG's offerings, other than it is a child of it's time (marketing, apps & so on).

Another aspect of the UFO phenomena as anyone who has done the research will tell you, is that it seems that whatever intelligence is behind this phenomena is the main agent in obfuscating the facts, this is hard to ignore, as is they one thing this "intelligence" is keen on,...... and that is being perceived as "aliens" or "extra terrestrial"....

Remember Uri Geller ? Another ufo cult founder, also did things in a laboratory that couldn't be explained.

There is a whole history of UFO cults that also espouse "white supremacy" mixed in with all the other nonsense.

In fact once you see the UFO aspect as just a meme of our time (yes I know they exist I've seen them etc) you can see a pattern that goes back through cults to the occult revival of the 1800's and on back to at least John Dee.

Deception is a major part of these things, along with enough "high strangeness" & novelty to keep people interested ....but they always end up washed up & dissapointed.

What am I saying ?

They aren't aliens, blue avians don't exist, CG has plagerised the entire UFO community, the genuine researchers & charlatans alike, creating a heady mix that serves to mix the credible with made up madness & intoxicate the unaware whilst sleep walking them into "opening up" to gawd knows what entities.

CG isn't alone in doing this either, he is just the front man du jour, Steven Greer is not a million miles off with his "orb shows" , in fact it's huge as a movement.

Whilst all this is making a lot of noise there are other aspects of this "movement" outside of CG & co, not least FREE & their desire to control the whole perception of what contactees & abducteees experience http://www.experiencer.org/

Look at this they are selling, note the similarities ?? http://noetic.org/ looks even worse & even better financed !!!!

I appreciate your comments, especially about FREE. So many people seem to go gaa gaa over FREE. Well, I went through all the stages of knowledge collection from my experiences and only stopped short of the last stage, a live interview.

What bothered me is the proclamation (before all input has been tabulated) that a very high percent of the contactees/abduction crowd who went through their questionnaire process claim that the so-called aliens are our FRIENDS. They are lovely space brothers who have only our best intentions in mind. These experiencers LOVE their contacts and consider their "alien" contacts to be more a fulfillment of the spiritual quest.

THIS was pointed out to me by the FREE staff, as if I was somehow FAILING THEM by not sticking with the program of benevolent space brothers.

Since when have aliens become our salvation, saviors filled with cosmic love and wisdom? Did everyone forget Budd Hopkins, John Mack, David Jacobs, Karla Turner, and others who documented the REALITY of alien abduction back in the 90's? Suddenly, none of this was real and instead alien contacts are just peachy keeno (with the covert implication that if you do not realize this, then perhaps your consciousness is just too low). I became fed up and ended communication.

Happily, FREE did not suggest that I fabricate stories of Blue Avians and giant spheres floating around the solar system. But the implication to me was there that I should "get with the program".

I have no idea why FREE wants to push the loving space brother meme. I do not know if actual contacts have suddenly changed? No more terrifying abductions in the night but instead lovely golden haired muscular Nordic men and shapely Nordic women who (like angels) escort you about a pleasure craft for charming chats over herbal tea about the coming Ascension?

After 40+ years investigating all this because of personal experiences, I now trust no one. Providing explanations for this phenomenon is now a business. The void created by not knowing the truth of this phenomena has been filled with carnival show hucksters and New Age Bliss Ninnies.

[Spiral]

Whilst all this is making a lot of noise there are other aspects of this "movement" outside of CG & co, not least FREE & their desire to control the whole perception of what contactees & abducteees experience http://www.experiencer.org/

Look at this they are selling, note the similarities ?? http://noetic.org/ looks even worse & even better financed !!!!

I appreciate your comments, especially about FREE. So many people seem to go gaa gaa over FREE. Well, I went through all the stages of knowledge collection from my experiences and only stopped short of the last stage, a live interview.

What bothered me is the proclamation (before all input has been tabulated) that a very high percent of the contactees/abduction crowd who went through their questionnaire process claim that the so-called aliens are our FRIENDS. They are lovely space brothers who have only our best intentions in mind. These experiencers LOVE their contacts and consider their "alien" contacts to be more a fulfillment of the spiritual quest.

THIS was pointed out to me by the FREE staff, as if I was somehow FAILING THEM by not sticking with the program of benevolent space brothers.

Since when have aliens become our salvation, saviors filled with cosmic love and wisdom? Did everyone forget Budd Hopkins, John Mack, David Jacobs, Karla Turner, and others who documented the REALITY of alien abduction back in the 90's? Suddenly, none of this was real and instead alien contacts are just peachy keeno (with the covert implication that if you do not realize this, then perhaps your consciousness is just too low). I became fed up and ended communication.

Happily, FREE did not suggest that I fabricate stories of Blue Avians and giant spheres floating around the solar system. But the implication to me was there that I should "get with the program".

I have no idea why FREE wants to push the loving space brother meme. I do not know if actual contacts have suddenly changed? No more terrifying abductions in the night but instead lovely golden haired muscular Nordic men and shapely Nordic women who (like angels) escort you about a pleasure craft for charming chats over herbal tea about the coming Ascension?

After 40+ years investigating all this because of personal experiences, I now trust no one. Providing explanations for this phenomenon is now a business. The void created by not knowing the truth of this phenomena has been filled with carnival show hucksters and New Age Bliss Ninnies.


Well, I'm blown away....I did hope someone would pick up on this, but you have gone so much further & with so well put too !


FREE contacted me out of the blue, I have no idea how they got my email address, and like you I went nearly to the end, but started to have problems from the out set as it was clear that the questions were set up in such a way as to produce a particular set of answers....answers not in keeping with my experiences.

I have had a lot of experiences and while a few have seemed neutral (possible due to missing memories) most of the actual abductions have been utterly horrific, both in what I've physically gone through & what I've seen.

Fortunately I've worked through a lot of the PTSD, but at the time if one of the "New Age Bliss Ninnies" (I love that ) had told me to my face that what I went through was because my vibration wasn't high enough I would have punched them so hard they would have seen "blue avians" for a month.

Space brothers they aren't, and they certainly aren't benevolent either.


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[norman]

I'm so glad you're back Spiral, and Dylansdad, you rock !

[Foxie Loxie]

Right on, Dylansdad!! Thanks for posting! :highfive:

[Omni]

(with the covert implication that if you do not realize this, then perhaps your consciousness is just too low)

Yes I've experienced that same absurd accusation. I have ran into it when I come across new agers who say they cannot be mind controlled by technology (In reality that would mean your brain doesn't function). They espouse all sorts of condescending nonsense about how everyone who technology mind controls against their free will is low vibration or low consciousness. Neuroscience discoveries will eventually debunk many of the nonsensical new age ideas about consciousness... And then perhaps they will find new absurdities to mislead people with.