UK Election.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Folks just thought I'd start a thread on this as there are many stories floating around...

In your opinion who will win Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May...?

And who's the better choice?

Interesting snippets here...

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/06/01/media-freaks-corbyn-tories-just-crashed-entire-economy/

Viking

[happyuk]

Ironically, we seem to have a Prime Minister in Theresa May who is a closet Remainer pretending to be a Brexiteer taking on a Labour leader who is pretending to be a Remainer but who has wanted Britain out of the EU since the 1970s...

May is not a strong leader. She completely sidestepped the Referendum, and the only people she ever stood up to were the police, whose side you'd expect the Tories to be on. My suspicion is that May won't give the UK the clean break with the EU that Britain voted for.

On the other hand the Labour party's "death tax" proposal means families would pay 40 per cent tax on the value of a deceased relative's home if it's worth more than £425,000. A further one million households would be forced to pay the tax by 2022 because of rising house prices. That would take the total to 4.9 million properties, just under one in every five English households. On the face of it, these are worrying developments.

It's all up in the air as far as I'm concerned.

[norman]

May went to the polls dead sure it was a safe and good idea and now it's looking more like a disaster for her. I won't be surprised, at this rate, to wake up on the 9th to a Labour government.

I wouldn't have said that a month ago.

[section9]

If the Liberals were stronger, I'd say it might be a good bet for a repeat of the Lib Lab Pact of the Dennis Healy years, but I'm not sure that Corbyn can pull that off. Not sure if Corbyn could pull off the kind of inside straight that would be needed for him to form a Government, unless the SNP might be wiling to deal (I assume they are strongly represented in Westminster?).

Nevertheless, the creeping fascism of the Tory Wets has got to be turning off young voters right and left.

[Ashy67]

The polls have definitely narrowed and Corbyn does seem to have some momentum. May looked weak and afraid when she refused to debate with the other leaders on TV but on the issue of Brexit May in my opinion looks stronger. She has put up a strong front and stated that she is prepared to walk away with no deal (which wouldn't be good for anyone) but all the other leaders want a watered down version which would mean we would basically stay as we are (paying in and accepting free movement of people) without having a say in anything. I voted to leave the EU to wrestle back control of our own country as I did not want to be in a federal United States of Europe where unelected people control everything with large corporations and banks pulling the strings. I'm not a natural conservative but for this reason alone I will probably vote for May.

[norman]

Unlike the referendum. your vote may not count for much. If you live in a safe seat area. Where I live is a safe Labour seat. I can vote for whoever I like but it will have zero impact on the outcome of this.

It's all down to a few swing seats and the Scotts. How nuts is that.

[Ashy67]

Unlike the referendum. your vote may not count for much. If you live in a safe seat area. Where I live is a safe Labour seat. I can vote for whoever I like but it will have zero impact on the outcome of this.

It's all down to a few swing seats and the Scotts. How nuts is that.

Yeah your right, I also live in a labour seat. I can't help but feel that there is a lot of fun and games going on behind the scenes and an effort to keep us in the EU and put us back into line. One thing is for sure we'll get screwed over one way or another :(

[Nick Matkin]

I think this is probably the first British general election where social media will have a significant impact. There's a push to get young people to vote which is a good thing, but young people (those under say 35) don't have any significant contact with the MSM which are being dishonest (again) and inaccurate by omission - to put it politely.

Unfortunately it's still only the better educated youngsters will probably bother to vote, leaving a large swathe not bothering. Those youngsters that do therefore vote will be be better informed about the various shenanigans politicians from all sides get up to behind the scenes! I'm no youngster, but my facebook feed is full of uncomfortable political information I have not seen in the MSM, although there's always the possibility some of it is fabricated...

Nevertheless, the very large mature population that still generally goes along with with the MSM agenda will probably outnumber those who have been exposed to a much wider social media agenda. No doubt there will be much analysing of voting patters after 8 June.

[happyuk]

My suspicion is that Theresa may still try to water down Brexit, if elected.

She should be saying no pay off to the EU, we don't owe them a penny

Another reason not to trust May is that the Tories look likely to drop their pledge to withdraw the UK from the European Court of Human Rights in their election manifesto. This will keep us handcuffed to European human rights law until 2022 – the end of the next parliament. Why do I feel strongly about this? It exposes British citizens to extradition to countries that do not use juries (established in Magna Carta 1215) for criminal trials.

Jury trials for the time being still exist in the UK. It remains an ongoing right for those accused of crimes to be able to defend themselves in front of a panel of their peers. However, because of the European Arrest Warrant, this does not extend to everyone who has been accused of crimes in other nations within the European Union. As a result, our freedoms are under threat and the only solution, since the UK Government had opted back into the European Arrest Warrant, was to leave the EU.

[Spiral]

I want to throw this hand grenade into the mix.....>Fracking


The Tories & UKIP are right into it, but its little short of genocide when you understand what it it is !

This film is doing the rounds from http://www.thebentleyeffect.com/

Please go see it & spread the word, most anti-frack groups are on face book

The rest of the issues are small fry if the water table is polluted & the air is open to toxic evaporates !

[Baby Steps]

In the following video, Nicholas Wilson challenges Amber Rudd, the home secretary, at a local hustings and in very quickly shut down as he is speaking uncomfortable truths.


At a hustings in Rye on 3 June, where I am standing as an independent anti-corruption parliamentary candidate, a question was asked about law & order. Home Secretary Amber Rudd, in answering it referred to the Manchester terrorist attack. I took up the theme and referred to UK arms sales to Saudi Arabia & HSBC business there. She spoke to and handed a note to the chairman who removed the mic from me.

I have tried to transcribe what he says, there are some gems there that merit further research. How disgusting and corrupt our establishment has become. There is something strange about Rudd. Two recent deaths in her family. Is she being groomed as heir apparent? Has she been messed with?


One of the first things that happened was that her husband’s company – Global Capital - did a deal with HSBC in Hong Kong and then she was in Saudi Arabia last year, selling arms for BAE Systems after doing another deal for HSBC – Saudi Arabia are doing a share sale of their national oil reserves – HSBC have got the job and that is why Teresa May went there [ he is referring to ARAMCO placing shares possibly in London in the biggest float in history].
Saudi Arabia are the country responsible for I.S. and they support I.S. . We supply arms to Saudi Arabia.

Soft on crime , soft on the causes of crime... they want to abolish the Serious Fraud Office, which is independent, so that Amber Rudd can then be in charge of prosecutions through the National Crime Agency.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEcMW6RmC_w

[Spiral]

HUMANITY vs INSANITY #89 : UK Election Special No.1

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[Baby Steps]

early indications of hung Parliament, pound is plummeting

[Spiral]

I watched Frankie Boyle's new show & I couldn't believe it when our local Tory, Greg Knight came up as a figure of fun !

Unfortunately he will probably get back in due to range rover driving spud farmers with spuds fer brains, what can you do !

All I can hope for is a hung parliament ....utter irony if it's Corbyn & the Irish republicans as Frankie joked about :cool:

[norman]

I haven't yet switched on a radio Spiral, how's it looking so far?

[Spiral]

I haven't yet switched on a radio Spiral, how's it looking so far?

Radio ! How british is that lol :;)

Lab 4 Con 1.....long night to go !


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Exit polls show cons on 314, lab 266..that's cons short or a majority !

[norman]

I haven't yet switched on a radio Spiral, how's it looking so far?

Radio ! How british is that lol :;)

Lab 4 Con 1.....long night to go !


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Exit polls show cons on 314, lab 266..that's cons short or a majority !

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[Spiral]

Norman that cracked me up mate !

Lab 6 con 3 btw


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[norman]

Away man
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[Cidersomerset]

I kept away from this election mainly because I was still recovering from the
Trump election fatigue , but I started watching the BBC coverage last night
and I am still following it now as I have not got work today and its been
entertaining. The result has backfired for PM May and it will be interesting
to see if she gets a visit from the Tory Mandarins later today. She may be
saved by the DUP as they are doing well with 10 seats and might give her
a working majority which is being predicted by the pundits. Last week she
was 20% ahead of Jeremy who I voted for Labour leader as a trade unionist
and am now a Labour member , and also voted for him last week by postal ballet.
This is the first time I voted Labour as Sedgemoor is a safe Tory seat and I
have always voted Lib/dem as I believe everyone should use their vote even
if you do not agree with the system.....

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Its officially a 'Hung' parliament .....

Election results 2017: Can Theresa May stay as PM?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40209585

Forecast: Conservatives largest party

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news


UK Election 2017

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone


General Election 2017 results seat by seat as they happen across the UK

By Scunthorpe Telegraph | Posted: June 08, 2017

http://www.scunthorpetelegraph.co.uk/general-election-2017-results-seat-by-seat-as-they-happen-across-the-uk/story-30379203-detail/story.html

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I was watching Comey testimony about Russian interference and it was a bit
of a farce as usual. There were claims that they were interfering in the French
election, so I suppose Mrs May and the Tory press will blame Putin sooner or
later...LOL

French election: Are Russian hackers to blame for Emmanuel Macron's leaked
emails - and could they target UK election?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/06/russian-hackers-blame-emmanuel-macrons-leaked-emails-could/


Top Ten Facts From Comey's Testimony

Published on 8 Jun 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z27xHXlBkcA

James Comey gave testimony today in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
These are our top ten revelations that the mainstream media won't tell you about.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thanks Cider

Looks like she might have to hang the gloves up after this...we'll see...

Jeremy Corbyn said the face of British politics has changed and called on Theresa May to resign after her snap general election left Britain with a hung parliament 11 days before Brexit talks begin.

Speaking as he was returned as MP for Islington North, the Labour leader declared: “Politics has changed. Politics isn’t going back into the box where it was before. What’s happened is people have said they’ve had quite enough of austerity politics.”

Corbyn said May had called the election to assert her authority. “She wanted a mandate. Well, the mandate she’s got is lost Conservative seats, lost votes, lost support and lost confidence. I would have thought that is enough for her to go.”

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/08/exit-poll-points-to-hung-parliament-in-2017-general-election

Viking

[Eric J (Viking)]

What could happen...


What is a hung parliament?

A hung parliament means no party has won enough seats in a general election to have a majority in the House of Commons.

Could Prime Minister Theresa May be on course to lose next week's General Election?

If no one gets a majority at the election, who will be PM?


Theresa May. In a hung parliament, the incumbent PM stays in office - and lives in Downing Street - until it is decided who will attempt to form a new government.

How is that decided?

According to the Cabinet Manual, the closet thing Britain has to a rule-book here, the incumbent PM is entitled to attempt to form a government then stay in office until Parliament meets, when they can ask MPs to approve his Queen’s Speech. Parliament is expected to meet for the first time after the election on Tuesday, June 13.

So Mrs May would be PM until Parliament meets again?

Not quite. The Cabinet Manual also says that an incumbent government “is expected to resign if it becomes clear that it is unlikely to be able to command that confidence and there is a clear alternative.”

That could allow Labour to argue that Mrs May should quit before a certain date if there is clearly an “anti-Tory” majority in the Commons that would inevitably reject her Queen’s Speech and support Mr Corbyn as PM.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is clawing back support in the polls. 

What would happen if Mrs May resigned?

Mr Corbyn would then be first in line to have the chance to form a government which would put its Queen’s Speech to the Commons to see if he could win the support of a majority of MPs.

Does a hung parliament mean another coalition government?

Not necessarily. A majority coalition is a formal agreement between two or more parties who between them have more than 323 MPs.

All the parties then get to provide ministers in the government. The Conservative-Lib Dem coalition of 2010 - 2015 is an example.

The Conservative-Lib Dem coalition of 2010 - 2015 was led by Prime Minister and Tory party leader David Cameron and Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg.
The Conservative-Lib Dem coalition of 2010 - 2015 was led by Prime Minister and Tory party leader
But there are other options. A new PM could decide not to seek a coalition with any other party and instead rely on a 'confidence-and-supply' deal with smaller allies.

That means the smaller parties would support the government on financial matters like the Budget, and in confidence votes which would otherwise bring the government down. The smaller parties wouldn't get ministerial jobs, but they would expect concessions on their chosen policies.

There's also the option of a minority coalition, where the governing party makes a formal agreement with a smaller party but together they still don't have a majority, meaning they have to seek support in the Commons for every vote.

Some Labour figures think their party might seek such a deal with the Lib Dems this time but Jeremy Corbyn has been very insistent that there will be no deals with other parties. And Nicola Sturgeon suggested during the campaign that the SNP might be willing to prop up a Labour minority government.

Finally, a party that lacks a majority could simply try to go it alone and govern as a minority government, vulnerable to being voted down at any time and trying to win the support of other parties on an ad hoc basis for every vote. Minority governments rarely last long.



How long would it take to sort it all out?

In 2010, the Conservatives and Lib Dems agreed their coalition in five days, largely because they were worried that financial markets would panic if Britain did not form a new government quickly.

But everyone involved now agrees that it was done too quickly, meaning some important decisions were botched. Any such talks this year could take much longer.

Could Mr Corbyn be PM even if Labour isn't the biggest party?

Technically, yes. A PM simply has to command the confidence of the Commons: the size of his own party is constitutionally (if not politically) irrelevant.

The first Labour prime minister, Ramsay MacDonald, took office in 1924 even though Labour had fewer seats than the Conservatives and relying on the tacit support of the Liberals.

First Labour prime minister Ramsay MacDonald, pictured leaving 10 Downing Street, took office in 1924 even though he had fewer seats than the Conservatives.
First Labour prime minister Ramsay MacDonald, pictured leaving 10 Downing Street, took office in 1924 even though he had fewer seats than the Conservatives.
Would that be sustainable?

Quite possibly not. Prime Minister Corbyn would be vulnerable to being brought down by a combination of Conservative and SNP votes. MacDonald’s government lasted only ten months before collapsing. Baldwin’s Conservatives won the October 1924 election handsomely.

Could we have a second election soon then?

It’s much less likely than it was in Baldwin’s day. The Fixed Term Parliaments Act, passed in 2011, means that if a government loses a confidence vote, alternative prime ministers get a 14-day period in which to form their own government.

Only if a second confidence vote is lost is an early election held. Otherwise, the next election will come in May 2020.

Viking

[Matthew]

News update


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40219030


Theresa May to seek to form UK government

Theresa May will visit Buckingham Palace at 12:30 BST to seek permission to form a UK government, despite losing her Commons majority.
The prime minister is attempting to stay in office on the understanding that the Democratic Unionist Party will support her minority administration.
With one seat left to declare, the Tories are eight seats short of the 326 figure needed to command a majority.
Jeremy Corbyn has urged her to quit, saying Labour is "ready to serve".

[araucaria]

Given the crazy times we live in, there is a non-zero chance the Queen will tell May, Go home, you're fired! :)

[norman]

UKIP Nigel Farage Says He'll Be Back Full Time & Theresa May Needs To QUIT


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[Cidersomerset]

I just woke up from a morning kip and it was not a dream...

Who would have thought Rod would have predicted the two
Tory Sirens to be our first female pm's....LOL

Maggie and May...
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Rod Stewart Maggie May 1971
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Hung Parliament: Q&A guide to what happens when no-one wins the election

54 minutes ago

From the section Election 2017

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40209087

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Anna Soubry: 'It was a dreadful campaign' - BBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diiQImdCFsY
Published on 8 Jun 2017
The Conservative MP for Broxtowe, Anna Soubry, has given a frank assessment of
her party's campaign.

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EXIT POLL - The UK General Election 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSQaD4liUvA
Published on 8 Jun 2017





Theresa May 'Strong relationship' between DUP and Conservatives - BBC News

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Published on 9 Jun 2017

Theresa May says her government will "provide certainty" and work to keep the
country "safe and secure". Theresa May says the Conservative party and the DUP
will work together, having "enjoyed a strong relationship over many years". Brexit
negotiations will continue, on the same timetable as before, says Mrs May.

[Cidersomerset]

David Icke talks to Richie Allen about election on Friday June 9th 2017

This was recorded 8am Friday 9th of June 2017 ( Today) and as David says his
comments maybe overtaken by events....

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Published on 9 Jun 2017