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Dylansdad
10th June 2017, 00:08
I created a document in 2016 to serve as an informal codicil to my Last Will and Testament, since I knew I would turn the magical age of 65 in early 2017. My family and friends know NOTHING about my paranormal experiences (I include UFO/alien experiences under the overall title of "Paranormal").

Today I took out all personal names (to protect people who often did their best to help me and do not deserve to be contacted and harassed) and to protect myself. I corrected some typos and grammar errors also.

Since there are folks here on Avalon who are interested in REAL LIFE experiences, I am now sharing mine with you.

https://www.docdroid.net/15NuI0x/anonymous-woo-woo-files.pdf.html

I had included a 2nd document, but this I removed since it seemed controversial and my life is not open to debate.

AutumnW
10th June 2017, 03:38
Read the first document. Wonderful..thanks. I encourage everybody on Avalon to read it.

Tintin
10th June 2017, 12:35
How extraordinarily interesting and thank you so much for being bold enough to share this; this community is of course absolutely supportive, however, thank you.

I have been extremely interested in all of the phenomena which you have shared; they are real experiences and testify to a greater 'reality' than the one we have been led to accept as is. My introduction to ET (or as Peter Paget may more appropriately describe, UT - ultra terrestrial) was through reading the work of Colin Wilson when I was about 15 years old and it has held a great fascination for me for over 30 years now. His books 'Afterlife' and 'Alien Dawn' are two of my favourites and opened the door for me into the scientific study and appreciation of the fact that something is clearly going on.
The best conclusion I can draw from having read a slew of material and similar stories to yours are that there is not one overall definitive answer to what it is. Some will be physical, some what we call metaphysical.

In the same way that there are an abundance, for example, of plant varieties on our planet that there clearly do seem to be different ways that these phenomena interact with any one individual. My own view is that it is somewhat a waste of ones time to assume that there is a 'solution'. They are very real experiences and some comfort could be taken from the fact that a great many others will be experiencing similar yet unique episodes as you have described. Local to me is a young man who is interacting with another dimensional plane on a daily basis and has shared his experience with me in conversation. A friend of mine, Jess, from way back now it seems was living in a very similar way with a partner on the 'other side'. A remarkable young woman with great psychic lucidity.

I agree that everyone on Avalon ought to read your very fascinating and perspicacious account.

Spiral
10th June 2017, 13:35
Thanks for posting that Dylansdad, interesting, moving & disturbing, and very well written, I can relate to almost everything you have been through one way of another, but most of all the kind of detached objectivity that kept you upright & free from being swallowed by narrative.

The big stand out event for me is the ear incident, I think this may have been to effect the hemispheres of your brain.....because of the way they effect how we see the world & react to it...the ears function in relation to this was investigated by a very interesting fellow by the name of Tomatis.

Tomatis wrote some books on the subject of sound & brain function, there is now an international organisation using his research to do all kinds of sound related training & therapy ;
http://www.tomatis.com/

I say this about sound & brain function because you come across as being an experiment of "them", this not something I say lightly but it's because that is what I was told I was when I was a very small boy by "beings in the sky".

The psychic stuff, ghosts (inc dreams of & talking to dead people), paranormal, "co-incidences" & healings all seem to be part & parcel of being an abductee.

Foxie Loxie
10th June 2017, 13:38
Thanks, SO MUCH, for sharing, Dylansdad! Wish I could reach out & give you a big hug! :hug: You are a totally amazing person to have lived through all that & still have the ability to communicate with us the details! You have given us much to mull over & juggle the pieces that we might already have in trying to piece together what the Grand Scheme of Things entails! What you have lived through is invaluable to the rest of us; you have been most kind in sharing! :bearhug:

AND....HARVEY is one of my favorite movies! :Angel:

kirolak
10th June 2017, 15:01
Thank you so much, that was brilliant, disturbing, amusing & thought provoking! Loved it!:bearhug:

Dylansdad
10th June 2017, 16:22
How extraordinarily interesting and thank you so much for being bold enough to share this; this community is of course absolutely supportive, however, thank you.

I have been extremely interested in all of the phenomena which you have shared; they are real experiences and testify to a greater 'reality' than the one we have been led to accept as is. My introduction to ET (or as Peter Paget may more appropriately describe, UT - ultra terrestrial) was through reading the work of Colin Wilson when I was about 15 years old and it has held a great fascination for me for over 30 years now. His books 'Afterlife' and 'Alien Dawn' are two of my favourites and opened the door for me into the scientific study and appreciation of the fact that something is clearly going on.
The best conclusion I can draw from having read a slew of material and similar stories to yours are that there is not one overall definitive answer to what it is. Some will be physical, some what we call metaphysical.

In the same way that there are an abundance, for example, of plant varieties on our planet that there clearly do seem to be different ways that these phenomena interact with any one individual. My own view is that it is somewhat a waste of ones time to assume that there is a 'solution'. They are very real experiences and some comfort could be taken from the fact that a great many others will be experiencing similar yet unique episodes as you have described. Local to me is a young man who is interacting with another dimensional plane on a daily basis and has shared his experience with me in conversation. A friend of mine, Jess, from way back now it seems was living in a very similar way with a partner on the 'other side'. A remarkable young woman with great psychic lucidity.

I agree that everyone on Avalon ought to read your very fascinating and perspicacious account.

Thank you for your comments. Yes, I have long since given up on the quest for "The Truth" about all of this. I am content to live with the mystery and enigma of the experiences. Perhaps this reflects either a growing humility that comes with age or perhaps it is a jaded cynicism. I, of course, prefer the former explanation for my nonchalance about the phenomenon. Here on Avalon I have had encounters with individuals who are earnestly seeking a solution to the situation. I assume that perhaps these people are either new to the phenomenon (like Corey's Kids) or rather young (when life is supposed to cough up answers to perennial questions). Such people have even criticized me for my laissez faire attitude. One even proclaimed that I must be a disinformation agent because I was not dedicated to finding out the truth about all this. Certainly, I would love to have the answers. However, I simply do not believe anyone ultimately has those answers. I feel that perhaps we are not capable at this time of even fathoming the answers due to our cultural assumptions of what is possible. Yes, there could be multiple causes for this. I tend to loosely hold the view that there is a singular source that manifests in many different ways, as with your plant analogy.

Once a person realizes that time is catching up with him/her (at some point, many of us have this revelation as we get older). then you tend to lighten up regarding this entire phenomenon. In my case, I suppose this is easier to do because the experiences are all in the rear view mirror. I am still extremely attracted to the topic, and enjoy visiting the various neighborhoods of ufology. Much like going to someone else's church, I do my best (sometimes I fail miserably) to honor the tenets of that "church", kneeling and singing and listening as if I was a member. But I never align with any one church in ufology. That at times has infuriated people. So be it. (Shrug).

By the way, I have also read Colin Wilson's many books. One of my first books on the paranormal was a Colin Wilson book back in the 70's.

I originally included this document with my first post. I removed it because I thought it might taint the original document of experiences. Rather than experiences, the second document contains my musings on what happened to me. There is nothing particularly deep about it, but my views on traditional religion are certainly controversial, the sort of views that invoke at times a hysterical response in the "faithful". I am going to share it here in case you wish to see it.

https://www.docdroid.net/ufzTgwE/jesus-christ-as-end-to-abductions.pdf.html

AutumnW
10th June 2017, 16:30
How extraordinarily interesting and thank you so much for being bold enough to share this; this community is of course absolutely supportive, however, thank you.

I have been extremely interested in all of the phenomena which you have shared; they are real experiences and testify to a greater 'reality' than the one we have been led to accept as is. My introduction to ET (or as Peter Paget may more appropriately describe, UT - ultra terrestrial) was through reading the work of Colin Wilson when I was about 15 years old and it has held a great fascination for me for over 30 years now. His books 'Afterlife' and 'Alien Dawn' are two of my favourites and opened the door for me into the scientific study and appreciation of the fact that something is clearly going on.
The best conclusion I can draw from having read a slew of material and similar stories to yours are that there is not one overall definitive answer to what it is. Some will be physical, some what we call metaphysical.

In the same way that there are an abundance, for example, of plant varieties on our planet that there clearly do seem to be different ways that these phenomena interact with any one individual. My own view is that it is somewhat a waste of ones time to assume that there is a 'solution'. They are very real experiences and some comfort could be taken from the fact that a great many others will be experiencing similar yet unique episodes as you have described. Local to me is a young man who is interacting with another dimensional plane on a daily basis and has shared his experience with me in conversation. A friend of mine, Jess, from way back now it seems was living in a very similar way with a partner on the 'other side'. A remarkable young woman with great psychic lucidity.

I agree that everyone on Avalon ought to read your very fascinating and perspicacious account.

Some great thoughts here. Thank YOU...and welcome! People DO waste a lot of time wedding themselves to a particular belief system about the supernatural undefinable. It's one thing to entertain different explanations. That's necessary and helpful. It gets kind of silly when we become so deeply ingrained that further discussion becomes despicable.

I know what I experienced but can't easily slot it into a particular category. It seemed like an abduction scenario -- intercepted, at one point. But I can't tell who or what was responsible. There WERE elements of mind control, "relax, don't worry. Everything will be fine!" Does that mean it was Milabs? I don't know. My sense is, no. Why would the military be interested in me?

I did have a couple of very interesting, extremely clear dreams around this time. One seemed to be downloaded rather than naturally dreamt. The 'explanation' it offered through a retrieved memory (while in dream state) was that I had been abducted or affected by something that came down in a space ship, over the course of many years.

The other dream, more naturally dreamt, was explaining to me that what I was experiencing would morph to meet my expectations, conform to my beliefs. I was to avoid beliefs about whatever it was as my beliefs would provide a sort of playground for the intelligence.

The one animal motif that came up for me was owls, as well.

Spiral
10th June 2017, 18:03
The one animal motif that came up for me was owls, as well.


I had a whole family (5) of large owls surround (in trees, on the roof etc) my isolated house before my "recent" abductions (started about 5 years ago) it was very nearly completely dark & my wife ran straight back inside after going outside with me she felt so uneasy & intimidated.


I hadn't heard of the owl thing at the time, or I'd have run back in too !

AutumnW
10th June 2017, 18:28
Spiral, As I wandered through the bewilderness of my deteriorating health, just prior to having all of the weird experiences, I met a few people in a small support group, for my condition.

Two of the ten had experienced abduction like experiences that featured owl like beings or owls.

This may not be a screen memory or even particularly symbolic. It might be the closest the mind, in a semi lucid state, can come to approximating the face of the typical 'grey'.

Where real owls fit in is curious. Because they do seem to predominate.

I didn't see much of anything, just heard some crazy crazy sound, right outside my bedroom window, that seemed to emanate from a Lovecraftian type realm.

I felt very definite projections of some other intelligence into my own mind, etc... in the early and mid nineties and the coincidences and synchronicities were not just once a week -- but hourly.

When that concluded, things became quiet. After that, all I experienced was a guy in riding gear and Edwardian dress, as clear as day, sitting at the foot of my bed, during the day.

I lay very still and counted the number of tiny filaments coming off the threads, in the fabric of his tweed jacket. It was hard not to become startled, but I knew if I did he would vanish.

These visions are generally classed as hypnagogic or hypnopompic imagery. This kind of imagery is medically defined as a rough transition from REM sleep into waking state, causing 'hallucinations.'

But I feel that dream state and REM aren't understood clearly enough to make any definitive statement dismissing hallucinations as being purely subjective projections.

I agree with Terence McKenna's observation that other intelligences access us more easily when we are in altered states. And, when we are dreaming or lucid, we are very open and altered.

When I was very young, I experienced something touching my shoulder and trying to move me around in my bed. Don't know if this is related to other events.

Spiral
10th June 2017, 22:53
Well AutumnW, I hardly know where to start !

My own health collapsed after an abduction in 91, prior to that I had been living in a large Edwardian house with a "ghost" butler that came up the stairs with a tray, I saw him night & day (oh gawd that rhymes lol)

Anyway, we had originally taken the top floor, but after moving down a floor, this phantom (a guy in his 40s with white curly hair) came into our bedroom every morning & placed the tray on a piece of furniture no longer there (like some kind of recording), it wasn't just that he came in every day the same time, but my girlfriend saw him too.....same description,no fancy words can cover that up lol.

Later I saw her grandmother & described her dress (shape & colour) her hair & very ditincive glasses ....all exactly as in real life, my GF was shocked.


I have been looking into dream states too, for obvious reasons, there is far more to it than you will find in any book, to cut a very long story short I think that certain things in the dream "world" can mold & effect this "waking" (lol) world very much, whether they consciously know it or not !

Tintin
11th June 2017, 12:24
DylansDad: there is what I call the zeal of youth, often, and this is a good thing. It is the honest pursuit of ideal that can tend to wane as we get older. As we get older we appreciate the value of that and welcome its expression at the same time as realising that a greater understanding of such phenomena either through experience, as you have, or understanding of, does indeed make us more comfortable and accepting of it. As you say, the lightening up which is of course, etymologically, illumination. It is I think a lovely place to be. This in essence is the awakening of the karast (from where we get 'Christ') and as the late Laurence Gardner described as the 'genius loci': the light within. I shall read, and thank you for sharing, your other document. You seem to be doing what we are supposed to do in this spiritual experience as a human being: evolving to your own higher consciousness, with a smile. That is in itself amazing.

Tintin
11th June 2017, 12:36
Dear AutumnW: thank you for your warm welcome: I have sent you a message also. I feel I have been a member for very much longer though as I have, for quite some time now, been making what seem like daily visits to Avalon! It is home I think. You have shared some interesting things here. I find myself often being a sort of 'Scully', if that resonates, but at the same time dancing with 'Fox'! I have yet to directly have experienced that which you and DylansDad have, necessarily, yet remain very open to your sharing: thank you. There have of course been 'moments' that have held hands with the sculptors of the stained glass window of reality and I will share in due course. You seem, clearly, to be sensitive also.

Tintin
11th June 2017, 13:36
DylansDad: apologies, I haven't quite got my head around how to include original thread comments on my responses but will endeavour to do so! "...family of Donald Duck" - priceless and so charmingly hilarious. So important I think to imbue humour in all we do and as often as we can: thank you!

I do not want to get too weighed down with Christianity (sic) but will make a point about it here and as succinctly as possible. It, and all 'religion' is a psychological tool designed to create division, and control from the designers of it. Words such as 'truth' and 'belief' I have largely extricated from my vocabulary as they serve only to distract. The name Jesus Christ (11 letters: those who are familiar with numerology will see the resonance in that) absolutely is symbolical language for 'you'. Etymologically Jesus is 'Yes' and the 'Christ' derives from the karast, the anointing of oneself. This is actual, real. I am concerned only with actualness, and actual reality with its many different levels/strata.

So, in short, as I have mentioned in reply not so long ago, your 'higher' you that is closer to source was accessed by you to help you heal. You can take comfort from the actualness that you found you to evolve to a higher vibration and extricate the little people. That is the hidden message in what is called Christianity. It really should be called 'Me-ity'

I am minded to agree with Jordan Maxwell here when he described this religion as a tool to legitimise the horrors that have been perpetrated for way too long now by those bent on total control by any means necessary, it would seem. There is more likelihood that Mr Tickle from Roger Hargreaves' Mister men series of books is more 'real' than a fictionalised character in the Bible deliberately created to psychologically control through coded language: admittedly some of the language beautiful, but codified.

A study in Astro-theology, a critical cipher, for anyone interested in this discipline will throw an enormous amount of light on what this book or belief system is really conveying: the absolute 'Yes You' (codified name = Jesus Christ) and the responsibility you have to discover it, awaken it. It really is that simple.

You, dear man, appear to have done this.

The Moss Trooper
11th June 2017, 13:46
Didn't some of the early reports that came outta Nome, Alaska, contain references to 'Owl-Like' creatures?

And then there's Moloch.

AutumnW
11th June 2017, 15:15
Thanks for posting that Dylansdad, interesting, moving & disturbing, and very well written, I can relate to almost everything you have been through one way of another, but most of all the kind of detached objectivity that kept you upright & free from being swallowed by narrative.

The big stand out event for me is the ear incident, I think this may have been to effect the hemispheres of your brain.....because of the way they effect how we see the world & react to it...the ears function in relation to this was investigated by a very interesting fellow by the name of Tomatis.

Tomatis wrote some books on the subject of sound & brain function, there is now an international organisation using his research to do all kinds of sound related training & therapy ;
http://www.tomatis.com/

I say this about sound & brain function because you come across as being an experiment of "them", this not something I say lightly but it's because that is what I was told I was when I was a very small boy by "beings in the sky".

The psychic stuff, ghosts (inc dreams of & talking to dead people), paranormal, "co-incidences" & healings all seem to be part & parcel of being an abductee.

Thanks for the link. Look forward to reading it!

Spiral
11th June 2017, 15:25
Been mulling all this material presented by DD & one of the things that fitted what I have noticed as a pattern before (with other cases) is the sexual element.

This nearly always seems to be a part of American abdutee's experiences, esp those with a "christian" upbringing, for whom it is the hardest to deal with due to culture & beliefs....for this reason I have to put the question; Is this sexual aspect to the phenomena really what it seems or is it actually for conditioning / ontological / psychological purposes ?

Putting people at odds with things, esp them selves is either done on purpose or is an incredibly clumsy side effect.

Maybe by putting people at odds with themselves they hope to break a spiritual attachment to something higher as well ?

It's not uncommon to hear of adbuctees "ending it" by calling on the name of Jesus Christ & really meaning it, I've done it myself, .....so are these things really super intelligent ETs or something far stranger indeed ?


PS a question for DD, you have had a few dogs & I would be interested to know if they have exhibited reactions to certain things that are a bit odd.

For instance my dog (a mutt about the size of a Labrador) is great around kids unless they are about 3'6" and wearing a cycle helmet, in which case he is terrified of them .... he also freaks out if he hears "whirring noises" but noises that freak other dogs out like violent thunder & gun shots don't bother him.

( He is also an abductee, as we shared missing time of about an hour & a half one night)

:dog:

AutumnW
11th June 2017, 15:34
Well AutumnW, I hardly know where to start !

My own health collapsed after an abduction in 91, prior to that I had been living in a large Edwardian house with a "ghost" butler that came up the stairs with a tray, I saw him night & day (oh gawd that rhymes lol)

Anyway, we had originally taken the top floor, but after moving down a floor, this phantom (a guy in his 40s with white curly hair) came into our bedroom every morning & placed the tray on a piece of furniture no longer there (like some kind of recording), it wasn't just that he came in every day the same time, but my girlfriend saw him too.....same description,no fancy words can cover that up lol.

Later I saw her grandmother & described her dress (shape & colour) her hair & very ditincive glasses ....all exactly as in real life, my GF was shocked.


I have been looking into dream states too, for obvious reasons, there is far more to it than you will find in any book, to cut a very long story short I think that certain things in the dream "world" can mold & effect this "waking" (lol) world very much, whether they consciously know it or not !

Very interesting, Spiral! Thanks for sharing that...and how incredibly weird.

When it comes to dreaming versus material reality I use a visual that helps me appreciate how the two interact. Part of the problem people have with the issue of the imaginal realm, is it lacks a simple visual metaphor.

We think in terms of the subjective or imaginary, (that encompasses dreaming, imaginal realm) as coming from the 'inside.' The objective realm is that which is 'outside.'

if I regard reality as taking place on the surface of a doughnut, I visualize dream taking place ON THE SURFACE of the interior of the doughnut, in its hole area. I see what we experience as objective reality, taking place on the outer surface of the doughnut.

What happens in the interior, or 'subjective' realms does not have to break a membrane, cross any kind of a divide, to manifest in what we call objective reality.

The dream or features of the dream or imaginal realm, easily move from the interior surface to the exterior surface of the doughnut. They mesh.

I don't know if this is literally true, in any way, but it helps me!

Satori
11th June 2017, 17:08
"Last night I saw upon the stair, a little man who was not there. He was not there again today. Oh, how I wish he'd go away."

I read this somewhere. I'm not sure who to attribute it to. It stuck in my mind.

Spiral
11th June 2017, 17:13
"Last night I saw upon the stair, a little man who was not there. He was not there again today. Oh, how I wish he'd go away."

I read this somewhere. I'm not sure who to attribute it to. It stuck in my mind.

Antigonish [I met a man who wasn’t there]

Hughes Mearns

Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn’t there
He wasn’t there again today
I wish, I wish he’d go away...

When I came home last night at three
The man was waiting there for me
But when I looked around the hall
I couldn’t see him there at all!
Go away, go away, don’t you come back any more!
Go away, go away, and please don’t slam the door... (slam!)

Last night I saw upon the stair
A little man who wasn’t there
He wasn’t there again today
Oh, how I wish he’d go away...

TrumanCash
11th June 2017, 18:19
Since the subject of humorous vs serious approaches to ET contact/abductions has been brought up on this thread, I've written my perspective and posted it here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions&p=1159374&viewfull=1#post1159374) so as not to change the topic of the thread.

Dylansdad
11th June 2017, 19:02
DylansDad: there is what I call the zeal of youth, often, and this is a good thing. It is the honest pursuit of ideal that can tend to wane as we get older. As we get older we appreciate the value of that and welcome its expression at the same time as realising that a greater understanding of such phenomena either through experience, as you have, or understanding of, does indeed make us more comfortable and accepting of it. As you say, the lightening up which is of course, etymologically, illumination. It is I think a lovely place to be. This in essence is the awakening of the karast (from where we get 'Christ') and as the late Laurence Gardner described as the 'genius loci': the light within. I shall read, and thank you for sharing, your other document. You seem to be doing what we are supposed to do in this spiritual experience as a human being: evolving to your own higher consciousness, with a smile. That is in itself amazing.

I think that humor is a coping mechanism, and works much more successfully than coping mechanisms that dull the mind like alcohol or drugs. Many of the famous classical comedians developed their humor from very harsh starts in life. Humor became a functional (versus dysfunctional) coping strategy.

To this day, I am quite wary of individuals who are constantly dead serious. I fear that there is much emotional baggage there that is repressed beneath an ironclad veneer of sober judgment. I notice that young adults who take on an interest in a topic are often tediously serious. I understand this, but find it quite annoying to be chastised by "kids" half my age (or more so) because I do not share their semi-religious fervor for a topic. In all likelihood, at a past phase of my life, I may have shared that fervor.

But such earnest "seekers" need to understand that humor is a very important coping mechanism for some of us. If they wish to take that away from us, do they plan to take on our psychological care, our well being, our PTSD?

Bluegreen
11th June 2017, 20:20
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Dylansdad
11th June 2017, 20:36
Thank you for sharing Dylansdad (Mr Zimmerman?). I'm interested in viewpoints that may be new to me, and appreciated those presented in the 'Musings'. It did occur to me that here is a guy who must've read Mad magazine at least once in his life.

:spy:

LOL. Yes, I did read MAD Magazine as a kid. I also watched the TV show BEWITCHED, so I was implicated in Satanic activities at a young age (This is in response to right wing fundie Christians who proclaim that if you have been abducted, it is because you have engaged in occult activity).

Seriously, I do not know who Mr. Zimmerman is, so I missed the reference.

Bluegreen
11th June 2017, 20:41
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Dylansdad
11th June 2017, 20:45
Dylan's dad

:)

Yeah? Whatdaya want, buddy?

Words of Joy
12th June 2017, 13:02
I was interested in reading the docs, but they are removed. Was that intentionally Dylansdad?

amor
12th June 2017, 20:29
Today is June 13, 2017. I tried to find the document which is the subject of this post, but it HAS BEEN REMOVED. Can anyone say why or summarize the subject of the experience DD had?

amor
12th June 2017, 20:41
If the subject was of Alien Abduction, I believe I have the reason for them and why they are repeated within generations. The GREYS are gradually morphing their GENES with ours over several generations within given families, gradually building US into THEM, because THEY ARE TRYING TO CREATE A HUMAN HIVE MIND RACE ON INSTRUCTIONS OF THE ANUNNAKI WHO WISH TO KEEP US ENSLAVED AND NOT A THREAT TO THEM. BINGO FOLKS, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THEY HAVE BASES THROUGHOUT THE CARIBBEAN AND HEADQUARTERS ON THE MOON. THE US MILITARY IS SOMEHOW IN AGREEMENT. THE ELITE ARE CONTROLLED BY THE ANUNNAKI. YOU MAY TAKE THAT TO THE BANK.