Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

[Bill Ryan]

Radio host Jimmy Church announced last night in the intro to his show that Wednesday (tomorrow) he'll be hosting a major round table to look at 'whether ufology has been infiltrated'.

He says it might be the most important show he's ever done — and promised we'll all 'be surprised'. He says it's 'not what we think'.

He's not saying yet who his guests will be, though he may reveal more tonight. He states he refuses to partake in any 'negativity'.

He drops a lot of hints, but nothing was specific. I am wary.

The 12 minute segment (with all unconnected material edited out) is here... do listen.


http://projectavalon.net/Jimmy_Church_intro_12_June_2017.mp3 (6 Mb)

[norman]

If Churche's track record is anything to go by, this doesn't smell good.

[UfonautRadio]

JC is part of the alliance marketing campaign in my opinion. He promotes CG and DW with wild abandon each show. Nothing wrong with that, but then don't turn around and tell your listeners you are neutral.

[sijohn]

I am intrigued, it will surely be an interesting listen, but I will have my bullsh*t detector turned up to maximum.

Sijohn

[UfonautRadio]

He speaks about researchers as "infiltrators." This is a ploy in my opinion to try and sequester good researcher and fact checking. This has always been and will be the way Ufology rolls. These newbies will learn as they continue on their journey.

[Jantje]

It sounds like he thinks he has got a monopoly on the truth.
I'll decide for myself if I will be blown away and suprised and all that. Bring it on

[Praxis]

In the most recent Richard dolan radio show (http://kgraradioarchives.com/shows/richard-dolan-show/?loc=2017#archive), he talked about a conversation he had with JC. The talk about JC and CG and Tompkins is in the second part at around 35 minutes. Also, I highly recommend the show for the first section of the show where he has a very insightful take on what is going on politically.

[section9]

Look, if he's willing to have people like Dolan and Howe on, I get it. The notion that this community is somehow suddenly being suborned all of a sudden is rather silly. That's like saying that Richard Doty just showed up.

Assuming I get back from my wage slave job in time to listen, I'll give it an ear.

[Bill Ryan]

...if he's willing to have people like Dolan and Howe on...

Richard Dolan, I don't yet know. Linda Howe has not been invited.

Daniel Liszt (the 'Dark Journalist') has posted this on his Facebook page:


https://facebook.com/DarkJournalist/photos/a.601852173195087.1073741827.503087759738196/1431639623549667/?type=1&theater

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Sources tell us Jimmy Church is planning on a 'Rescue Mission' for Corey Goode & Co. on his Wednesday Night Radio show under the guise of an objective roundtable discussion. Church hosts events and is close friends with Corey Goode and Goode's Business Partner Roger Ramsaur and should disclose any financial dealings with their companies, past or present, so the listeners have full transparency.

https://scontent.fgye1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19105831_1431639623549667_3062028749482598221_n.jpg?oh=4b42c92062a02a810945fd0f9ad5f78a&oe=59D957AD

[Cidersomerset]

He drops a lot of hints, but nothing was specific. I am wary.

I have been waiting for Jimmy's response and have wondered how
he would go about it ? He spent 10 mins saying nothing , it depends
who he has on and what they discuss. I'l be surprised if they go after
Corey and David as Jimmy is due to be at their upcoming conference
if I remember right , I'l check .

It will not mean much without you Bill , Daniel or someone like Rich Dolan,
Joseph Farrell or similar ilk....


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I'm not sure if its this one ? there is a mixed speaker list including Gary McKinnon
who must be via Skype or he will risk being arrested. Jimmy was talking about
a upcoming event with Corey after contact in the Desert , but not sure which one.
Just saying they are pretty pally and it will be hard for Jimmy to be neutral I
think.....

This is an interesting line up from the fantastical to the academic.....


2017 MUFON Symposium

"The Case for a Secret Space Program"....Speakers:

Cheryll Jones..Former CNN Anchor...Master of Ceremonies

John Brandenburg, Ph. D...Plasma Physicist
"The U.S. Space Program and its Agendas, both Manifest and Hidden"

James Woodward, Ph. D ..Experimental Physicist and CSUF Professor Emeritus
"Secret Space Programs at the Dawn of the Interstellar Age"

Michael Salla, Ph. D...UFO researcher/author
"The US Navy’s Secret Space Program & Extraterrestrial Alliance"

Mark McCandlish
Aerospace Illustrator and UFO Researcher
"The Fluxliner, or Alien Reproduction Vehicle, Theory of Operation"

Robert M. Wood, Ph.D
McDonnell Douglas Physicist Retired"..."How do they keep it secret?"

Bill Tompkins..Secret Space Program Insider
"What I Learned in the Navy -- and how it's still secret today"

Gary McKinnon..U K IT Specialist who hacked NASA.."Stealing the Truth"

Debbie Ziegelmeyer..MUFON State Director and Board Member
"A Case for Underwater Alien Bases: What Deep Water Secrets,are the Oceans Hiding?"

Corey Goode ..Witness to the SSP.."The history of the secret space program"

Michael Schratt Aerospace Historian and Illustrator
"That's Classified: Exposing the 'silver bullet' technology"

Andrew Basiago, J.D...Lawyer and Witness to the Secret Space Program
"Destination Mars: The hidden history of the CIA's Mars Jump Room program"

Richard Dolan..Author and UFO Researcher
"The Secret Space Program: Where is it headed"

*** NO Refunds After July 1, 2017***

http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?llr=vmbnovdab&oeidk=a07edritaja246b8bf7

[Daozen]

Prolly a whitewash.

- UFOlogy has been infiltrated, either by accident or design. From here, the aims seem to be;

- Creation of a 'celeb contactee culture' - A strict 2 level hierarchy of experiencers and audience.
- Downplay etheric contact. i.e. marginalize and ridicule anyone capable of receiving genuinely useful information from the infinite universe.
- Push the 'disclosure soon' psyop. Do we really need governments to tell us aliens exist? And if they do, are they working with the good guys? And what does :silent:"soon":cake: mean, anyway?
- Distract people from the mystery of the mountains by any means necessary. Get us looking up up up when we have ancient civilizations under our feet.
- Create a lot of pointless noise to stop people making any long term plans.
- Hype "Free energy" when solar and wind will do just fine.

Bills warning at at the start of the Corey Goode thread was spot on. UFO conferences can be very dangerous places. They are honeypots to trap and tag any potential disruptors:


Bill: The energies at Joshua Tree are dark and potent. Most of the people appearing there are, at best, just merchants of woo-woo---some are paid intelligence operatives, and some others are predators of a high and decidedly non-human order.

I suggest people walk away from this macabre dog and pony show, and follow their own path...

[Cristian]

Jimmy checked in his objectivity and integrity some time ago. To the point that it makes some of his shows impossible to listen to.

He never asks hard questions, not interested in what is real or not.

He's a showman . It's a business for him.

It's all a bit sad and disgusting.

[Cidersomerset]

They have been discussing Bills interview and Corey a bit on the......

Fade To Blog...

https://jimmychurchradio.com/fade-to-blog/


I cannot find what I'm looking for , but Jimmy is speaking at....

ECETI...2017

http://privateinvitationeceti.com/

[RunningDeer]

Teresa says she’s an open book and gives bio of self, family background in the military, Dad worked at the Pentagon, and religious preferences.
@ 9:03 (https://youtu.be/ST7gC10ltQg?t=9m03s) is where she defines her relationship with Jordan, provides photos and commentary of the conference, her take on Derrick Faust’s integrity and drug use, etc.

@ 20:20 - hanging out with Jimmy Church and family
@ 22:18 - get invited to Corey's place
@ 25:35 - Teresa's take on deep conversations at Corey's place + photos & live video
@ 30:48 - explanation for what Derrick and friend heard that Jordan said 'we were in kind of a ritual last night'
@ 31:35 - No ill will towards Derrick, but is confused as to why the Dark Journalist portrayed Derrick the way he did. He's a guy that smoked a sh!t load of weed all the time.
@ 32:11 - He didn't even buy a ticket. Derrick gets kicked out and asked for her wristband. Not a person of integrity.
@ 33:35 - Back to what Derrick heard Jordan say about the ritual. Teresa says that the mind can do weird things when you are stoned all the time. It's hypocritical for him to call out others.


"Dark Journalist" Daniel Liszt AKA Daniel M. Robillard Exposed - FAKE NEWS! (First of Series)
ST7gC10ltQg

Published on Jun 11, 2017

We are currently in the throes of a smear campaign to take down Corey Goode, and anyone associated with him (particularly Roger Richards, Justin Deschamps, Jordan Sather, and Teresa Yanaros-myself).

Does this coordinated attack have something to do with the book project making a case for the Secret Space Program? Could it be that the "powers that be/were" are trying to crush the momentum of this project? If this is true, then it seems to me that the FDP is headed in the right direction. Let's keep uncovering the truth, and remain vigilant.

An allegation has been made in the last 48 hours that I was involved in a satanic cult ritual at Contact in the Desert. This is a complete fabrication. It's not true.

[3(C)+me]

JC is part of the alliance marketing campaign in my opinion. He promotes CG and DW with wild abandon each show. Nothing wrong with that, but then don't turn around and tell your listeners you are neutral.

Well, thing is we have all been taken in and deceived in one way or another in this rather fake believe us this is the way it is world and here is the new guy on the block he is a good guy he will tell you what to think about this and that.

But how is he going to back his way out of this....the denial sets in, the need to be right...how is this going to affect my career.....

This field have been infiltrated from the beginning.


I am not sure if I am up to listening to this but if it gets interesting please let me know.

[Kryztian]

The little I've heard Church talking about Corey Goode, he is quite soft on him. Yes, Church does seem to be giving him a free pass, providing a media outlet where Goode can make his claims without having to address the hard questions leveled against him.

However, one statement Church makes is absolutely true: THE MATTER DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DIVIDE THE UFO AND CONSPIRACY COMMUNITY. And division happens on two sides, and many researchers on Avalon are on one of those sides. We don't have control of what the Corey Good supporter side has to side. We do, however, have the ability to shape our side of the message. That being said, here are a few guidelines I would suggest:

1) Take a deep breath of air. Remain calm and lucid. Know that the Corey Goode will story will be debunked and eventually, it will be universally accepted as a fraud. We don’t have control of the timeline of how the events unfold, we don’t know what disinformation tricks they have up their sleeves, but in the end, the truth always prevails. We will get there in good time, but until then, enjoy the scenic detours that will be created.

2) This isn’t bloody warfare, so conduct yourself with civility. Don’t attack people who disagree, listen more and shout less. When someone gives you their argument, listen carefully and try and find one or two weak points. Then offer them the least amount of verifiable and factual information it takes to counter those points. They certainly aren’t going to change their conclusions while you are shouting at them, and probably not even while you are talking politely at them. But if you leave them with a few good tidbits, this may lead them to start thinking on their own, on their own time, and coming to different conclusions.

Also, keep the language civil. Jordan Saither and Teresa Y are both married adults, and Jordan has children. Referring to them as “Corey’s Kids” is just plain foul. And while Roger Ramsaur does have strange tattoos, as many in the heavy metal community do, and may have participated in “a ritual”, this does not necessarily make him a “Satanist” and calling him one until this is definitely proven is also foul.

3) We need to try and come up with a simple, concise argument that fits within the short attention spans most early 21st century homo sapiens possess (especially for those not so sapient) that boils down to just a few bullet points. What are the smoking guns, and what are the simple facts (as opposed to the complex ones). Many 9/11 truthers decided that the most compelling piece of proof that have is the collapse of building 7. Is there a building 7 in the Corey Goode story?
In the end, the truth will prevail. The trick is getting it to do so without the violence and blood shed, because there will be more battles to fight after this one.

[TrumanCash]

Seems like an odd caption for a "show" because "ufology" was infiltrated from the get go and I think most serious veteran researchers and onlookers already know that.

I have no doubt that "ufology" was infiltrated--by ETs!

For example, in 1967 police officer Schirmer was abducted by members of the flying serpent ET group and was told: "This is an observation ship with a crew of four men . . .They send information little by little to prepare us . .. and also to disconcert and intrigue us . .. lately they have let us see too much . . .all should believe a little in them, but not too much. . . ." (See p. 37 of pdf of the EYE OF RA for details, link below--and thanks to the late Wendell Stevens for allowing me to reproduce the pictures from his book).

In my view as one who has had many experiences with the winged serpent ETs and their ET co-conspirators, they are the actual source of the infiltration and manipulation. I have no doubt that the Annunaki and their ilk are still alive and well and are the puppeteers at Langley, Pentagon, WDC, DUMBs, etc. These insidious ETs are still the instigators of endless wars on this planet.

The "ufology" circus that we are now witnessing is just a manifestation of ET dialectic machinations.

Also, anyone can start a YouTube channel and invite people who are eager for attention and put on a "show".

BTW, who was it that first coined the word "ufology", a contraction of ufo and ology (and would be spelled ufoology and could be pronounced you fool oh gee)?

From my own experiences I found that etology--the study of ETs--yields more significant information than studying their space craft.

[RunningDeer]

2) This isn’t bloody warfare, so conduct yourself with civility. Don’t attack people who disagree, listen more and shout less. ..."

Also, keep the language civil. Jordan Saither and Teresa Y are both married adults, and Jordan has children.

Thanks for the reminders, Kryztian. :thumb:

I agree, they aren't kids. Jordan Sather is 26 and Teresa Yanaros is 29. Both are single. Jordan posted "...being a single father (https://youtu.be/Mc5wHbV6irw?t=2m24s)..." & Teresa is newly divorced as of October, 2016 (https://youtu.be/ST7gC10ltQg?t=9m28s).

[UfonautRadio]

The round table is a way of trying to save a sinking story that had so many holes that it needed to sink ages ago. The people on this forum, BR and alike knew this and couldn't stand by any longer. NOW, DJ has injected this really dumb satanic angle that make him look really silly. I was hoping he would represent my opinion, but he lost me with that angle. Stick to the facts that are quite obvious now.

The round table is about trying to make this go away and get on with the ticket sales.

[Atlas]

who was it that first coined the word "ufology", a contraction of ufo and ology (and would be spelled ufoology and could be pronounced you fool oh gee)?
The logic behind unidentified aircraft (bogey (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bogey)).


(military slang) An unidentified aircraft, especially as observed as a spot on a radar screen and suspected to be hostile.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Corey Goode on Facebook: (my red emphasis added)


https://facebook.com/BlueAvians/posts/1762217810742674






We will identify one potential operative (Of a few we are aware of) and show their ties to a small Forum group and its leader (Another potential operative) who is up to their eyeballs in this operation. We will also show clear and direct Cabal influence and ties. The information will be explosive and controversial but will be a disclosure this community deserves and needs. We are delivering it in an as ethical of a journalistic form as possible. So far the contact attempts of a few researchers to these parties have gone unanswered.

If Avalon or myself are publicly defamed, Corey Goode and Jimmy Church will both be faced with a major lawsuit.

With all the evidence that there is, and the number of high profile people who would support it on record, they'd both be taken to the cleaners. Corey and Stacy would never recover.

[UfonautRadio]

The arrogance to use Ufology being infiltrated as a way of shifting the blame away from a silly tale that has finally reached fizzle point is really rude. Yes I think they will go after you Bill. Yes I think they will have on supporters of the CG campaign. Again, this is an easy story to debunk because it's originator admits there is no proof whatsoever to his claims.

Dolan, Dolan, Dolan. All we need is Rich. As he stated recently, you gotta have more than a good campfire story. We should all know this already after being burned a thousand times. In the past at least they created fake videos and docs. Now they just skip right to the comics!

[muxfolder]

Wow. That escalated very quickly! I think we're on right track if they're going to sue Daniel and Bill and whoever else is on their list. It's most probably the research and thinking part that's so menacing to them.:bigsmile:

[norman]

What is this crisis in UFO/phenomenology ?

Enquiry has been shunted off the road by a popularity contest that's expanded from a healthy proportion of the whole thing to being the main act, in a grotesque carnival. It's subversion, in any language you speak.

We are being forced to fight for a natural organic expansion of our comprehension of whatever the hell is really going on, against what looks quacks and feels like a social engineering version of 'disclosure' that quite probably emanates from some dusty old United Nations paper given blue sky funding decades ago and now running out of money and morphing into a self financing extension of itself via whichever disingenuous adherents it still has a hold in the hearts or minds of.

I'm already sick of this. It stinks.

The narrative itself more than hints that something fishy is up. It's not even about asking and answering questions now, On one hand, it's a story telling circle passing the hat around, and on the other hand it's a corporate entertainment branding program with formulaic feelgood-time dominating everything else.

What the hell happened ?

I didn't get that memo.

[Bill Ryan]

What is this crisis in UFO/phenomenology ?




Upheavals and controversy at MUFON.
A major public battle between Peter Robbins and Larry Warren, who were co-authors of an important book, Left at East Gate (https://www.amazon.com/Left-East-Gate-First-Hand-Investigation/dp/1569247595) (about the Dec 1980 Bentwaters case).
Sean David Morton to be sentenced, on Monday 19 June, to a probable term of 8 years or more.
Major conflict (basically about wildly differing standards of research and due diligence) re the Corey Goode/ David Wilcock/ Gaia TV saga.
There may very well be more, which either I don't know about, or which has slipped my mind. :)

[UfonautRadio]

Don't forget the Stan Romanek trial next month!

[Bill Ryan]

Don't forget the Stan Romanek trial next month!

Yes, Wow. And, OMG. Thanks. That could ensnare quite a lot of people. (As you pointed out in your 1st June radio show (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1157604&viewfull=1#post1157604), quite a few of Stan Romanek's colleagues may be running scared.)

Also add to all that, maybe, whatever it is that Tom DeLonge is doing, or thinks he's doing. :)

[muxfolder]

Also add to all that, maybe, whatever it is that Tom DeLonge is doing, or thinks he's doing. :)

Who needs rock stars to do whatever he is doing, which is actually nothing else but to play his part? Which is of course to bring in the younger audience who are not necessary doing their home work. Not to mention of course that Jimmy is also a fine showman.

[ThePythonicCow]

The little I've heard Church talking about Corey Goode, he is quite soft on him. Yes, Church does seem to be giving him a free pass, providing a media outlet where Goode can make his claims without having to address the hard questions leveled against him.

However, one statement Church makes is absolutely true: THE MATTER DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DIVIDE THE UFO AND CONSPIRACY COMMUNITY. And division happens on two sides, and many researchers on Avalon are on one of those sides.
I have far fewer clues than TrumanCash (as posted above) has regarding who's behind all this.

But I agree with your description, Kryztian, of this method of dividing us, one against the other.

That's how "they" (whoever they are) work, by creating divisions that split families, groups, communities, and such, enabling greater control of large populations by breaking down not just the individual (with toxic food, water, air, medicine, education, entertainment, ...) but also any bonding or grouping of people that would impede their global control.

JC Collins has a new article up on his Philosophy of Metrics website describing this process: Tavistock Created Donald Trump (https://philosophyofmetrics.com/tavistock-created-donald-trump/). He's using Trump as an example of this process of "dividing and conquering" humanity, but I'm sure he could have used UFO and SSP disclosure just as well. JC Collins tracks the currently used methods back to the formation of the Tavistock Clinic (later to become the Tavistock Institute) in London after World War II.

In hind sight, we should have expected nothing less of what would become "disclosure". It was a pipe dream to think that an honest President or Prime Minister would stand before their nation, honestly describing important aspects of either the secret space program or of alien involvement with humanity, past and present. Rather this topic is becoming just one more "wonderful" opportunity for the mass psychology manipulators to get us all agitated, breaking bonds between people and between groups over yet another controversy.

I liked your advice Kryztian ... disagree when necessary on important points, but disagree as one would with a friend that one would like to remain friends with. Do what we can not to use this controversy as yet another excuse to needlessly rip assunder the common bonds of humanity that connect us, both individually and as groups.

[Kristin]

Well, from my perspective we do not know what is happening, what is going to happen, and why. Let's all cool our jets until we have a little perspective. I have been looking into the Corey Goode case and from my point of view I don't know if the 20 and back is real or not, my jury is still out and there are other witnesses whom are more reliable. I do not know if he is a real MILAB, but if he is he is currently being abducted. That to me is very important. We HAVE to question and it is our right to do so.

I know that Corey Goode is quick to the blame game and stirs up trouble where ever he goes, it's just the way it is. He's reactionary. Many people I do not like speak truth and there are many fine individuals that I do like who lie. It's an odd conundrum. But that being said, I've seen too much to trust CG's testimony outright, he is capable of lying often. He's been pushing for attention ever since I've known him. This does not fit the profile that I have on people in his situation, and I fear for the many others he has possibly cajoled. I also fear for him and his family. This is not a game.

What is Jimmy Church doing? I have no idea. But he feels confident and that is interesting. No matter where this leads I'm a proud Avalonian. We share the gamble we all take in subjecting ourselves to revealing truth and it is worth every step we take. It's a hard road, it's arduous, and it takes YEARS to get to any point of view. That point of view is tangible as more information comes in. That is the nature of the game. We want to know and there are others who want to tell us what to believe. Yet we remain sovereign.

No matter how things pan out with this next chapter (and we have had many), I will still be here with the most incredible individuals I've ever had the opportunity of meeting. People who volunteer hours of their personal time to try to understand the mysteries of this world and beyond. We are indeed blessed to have the intuition and the brass to have such company.

To balance the ideals of truth with open mindedness and to even listen to such stories is based in COURAGE. We all know this. We have all had the over-table conversations with those people we love who do not even process the idea of UFO's, let alone that there is a deeper state of affairs in this world that needs to be revealed. The people with closed minds are often our fathers, our mothers, our sisters and brothers, our spouses. This has not been easy on ANY OF US. We are all warriors by being here. I respect all of you deeply.

In conclusion, we shall continue as we always have because we know no other way of being, we must question to reveal. It is duty, it is honorable, and it respects the foundation of our humanity. We try to do our best, to put our best faces forward, we learn, and we unlearn. Before we make any judgments, let us all consider what we do not know.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Star Tsar]

He speaks about researchers as "infiltrators." This is a ploy in my opinion to try and sequester good researcher and fact checking. This has always been and will be the way Ufology rolls. These newbies will learn as they continue on their journey.

Are you taking into account the latest news with Lloyd Pye's Star Child Skull? & The in-fighting between RAF Bentwaters witnesses & surroundees? In this opinion?

[onawah]

If you haven't made the connection yet between why millennials seem unable to reason or think logically and our national vaccine policies, this should help:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91081-The-poisoning-of-America-Glyphosate-Statins-and-Vaccines&p=1160072&viewfull=1#post1160072
Is it really any wonder they can't distinguish reality from fiction?

[Bill Ryan]

We are all warriors by being here. I respect all of you deeply.


:bump:

Yes. Amen to that. :flower:

[Tyy1907]

If someone is trule an awake free thinker they won't give a rats ass what Corey Goode thinks of Bill Ryan and Avalon. It's more engineered drama as far as Im concerned. Not interested. Won't change why I surf Avalon in the first place.

[Gemma13]

@ 2:20 http://projectavalon.net/Jimmy_Church_intro_12_June_2017.mp3

A few highlights on some of the clues Church gives re the “BIGGER PICTURE” when stating that Corey Goode and Roger Ramsaur are only a small piece of a big pie.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ufo-expert-accuses-co-author-10527844
UFO expert accuses co-author of 'deceiving' him with account of sighting during infamous Rendlesham Forest incident

Peter Robbins has sparked a war of words after revealing he now believes that former US airman Larry Warren's account of the incident near RAF Bentwaters, Suffolk, in 1980, was "not true".

A UFO expert has become embroiled in a bitter feud with his co-author and one-time friend after accusing him of 'deceiving' him with his 'false' account of the infamous Rendlesham Forest incident.
Peter Robbins and Larry Warren co-authored 'Left at East Gate: A First-Hand Account of the Bentwater-Woodbridge UFO Incident, its Cover-Up, and Investigation' 30 years ago, but are now at loggerheads.
US researcher Robbins sparked the row when he accused Warren, a former member of the US Air Force Security Police who now lives in Liverpool, of 'deceiving' him during a radio interview.
Warren, in turn, blasted Nick Pope, former head of the British government's 'UFO desk', for siding with Robbins. He hit back Pope on Facebook for branding him a liar in an online rant.

American Warren claims he witnessed a UFO land near RAF Bentwaters, Suffolk, while stationed there with the US Air Force in December 1980. He blew the whistle on the so-called Rendlesham Forest incident in 1983 in a News of the World interview and went on to co-write the best-selling book with Robbins, which was published in 1997.

However, Robbins has now cast serious doubts over the validity of Warren's account.
Speaking on the Inception Radio Network, Robbins said: "Over the past year, even a bit more, highly specific information has been brought to my attention that has disturbed me tremendously.
"The encompassed picture is the subjective account of my co-author's story of the events that he was involved in, the events surrounding him, things that don't directly relate to the story but to his life, were not only not accurate but that they were not true.

"Having worked with him for decades, for having spent several intense years at the beginning we're talking 30 years ago next month when we shook hands, that I would assist him in writing this book. I have a long history with Larry Warren and I felt that after doing the research that he was absolutely good on his word."

He added: "I felt I had proved enough to myself of Larry's account and details surrounding it that he was telling the truth. And I feel now that in part that was not the case and there was an intent to deceive. To say this has tore me up over the last year is an understatement."

The Rendlesham incident took place in December 1980 over a series of three nights.
On December 26, 1980, military personnel at the twin bases of RAF Bentwaters and RAF Woodbridge saw a strange light in Rendlesham Forest, which lies between the two bases.
Three airmen were sent out to investigate where two of them encountered a small, triangular shaped craft.

One of them, Jim Penniston, got close enough to touch the side of the object. He and another of the airmen present, John Burroughs, made sketches of the craft for witness statements.
Two nights later, Deputy Base Commander Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt and his team then encountered the UFO.
He said later: "Here I am, a senior official who routinely denies this sort of thing and diligently works to debunk them, and I'm involved in the middle of something I can't explain."
Despite an MOD investigation the Rendlesham Forest incident remains unexplained, despite theories it was a lighthouse, a meteor shower or a satellite re-entering the Earth's atmosphere and burning up.
Warren's account differs as he maintains the UFO landed in a farmer's field and was seen by dozens of military personnel including the Base Commander General Gordon Williams.

He also claims small entities could be seen floating underneath the strange craft, which shone beams of light into the nuclear bunkers at the NATO base at the height of the Cold War.
Nick Pope, who ran the Ministry of Defence's Secretariat (Airstaff) 2a - dubbed the 'UFO desk', which investigated military sightings but was closed in 2009 due to budget cuts - has backed Robbins' claims.
In a post to his 4,980 friends and 13, 852 followers on Facebook, he praised Robbins for "having the courage and integrity to make what was clearly a difficult and painful admission that he'd been taken in by Warren's lies."

He ended his post by saying: "The verdict from the wider UFO community is clear: the Larry Warren story is officially dead."

But Warren slammed the ex-MOD man, who now lives in Tucson, Arizona, for "whoring himself out" in a 20-minute Facebook rant.
He fumed: "I'm aware of your posts on your page, your slander, defamation, whatever you want to call it. You've been out of the UK a long time, you're not really respected here brother. You don't speak for Ufology brother, I can tell you that, you just whore yourself out for just about whatever you can do, that's fine. Works for you." He added: "I wrote all my parts in my book and I remain proud of them. I stand by them."

Warren also accuses Pope of "abject jealousy" and offers to hand over a UFO courage award he received from UFO Truth Magazine, edited by former police detective Gary Heseltine, at a conference in Holmfirth,Yorkshire, last September.
He tells Pope: "Your books tanked after months, my book's been in print 20 years and will be print another 100 probably. I've been around longer than you in this and I've seen it all for years."
Warren challenges Pope to take it off him, saying: "You can have it if you can take it from me. I'll even bring the gift box. You seem to want it because I don't deserve it.

"You stuck your nose into Rendlesham years ago to the point some morons out there think you were working the MOD desk when they happened - I think you were being beat up on the school yard at that time. So that's impossible but you don't stop that myth."

He ends his video by saying: "The book is my story, 100 per cent. I've done stuff that you could never do and seen things you'll never see and I'll still be standing tall when you go cock a doodle do ... You were never in the military, you wore a tie somewhere."


https://theyflyblog.com/2017/03/31/lying-ufo-experts-exposed/

EXTRACT: In this new interview, Michael Horn names and politely eviscerates the gaggle of phony “UFO experts” who, he says, do more harm to the truth than the government, as they deliberately suppress knowledge of Billy Meier’s singularly authentic contacts with the Plejaren extraterrestrial human race. With their craving for attention and profit at all costs, they spread lies and disinformation to distract from the continuing fulfillment of the Henoch Prophecies.

GAIA Censors George Noory Interview of Michael Horn

In August 2016, GAIA brought Michael Horn to Boulder, Colorado, for an interview with George Noory, on his Beyond Belief show. Horn has already been a guest on Coast to Coast AM 17 times.
Among their panoply of “mind-body-spirit” content, GAIA feature programs with disinformation specialists Corey Goode and David Wilcock, with their delusional, unsubstantiated, fabricated stories about imaginary “aliens”, “Draco/Reptilians”, Atlantis and other idiocy.

Interviews for Beyond Belief are usually released in a timely manner. But it appears that Noory’s outspoken enthusiasm for Meier’s stunningly clear UFO photos, and abundance of specific, prophetically accurate information would be too stark a contrast to the escapist gibberish from Goode and Wilcock. Hence, so far the Noory-Horn interview hasn’t seen the light of day.

[Mike]

Jimmy keeps declaring that he won't be "negative"...as if this is some grand gesture of heroism.

Exposing nonsense isn't "negative". Accepting nonsense isn't "unity".

The implication is that he's not "lowering himself" into the drama and so forth. I'm not buyin it. Jimmy is naturally an amiable guy, and despite his pro Corey leanings doesnt want to offend anybody...and here he is in an uncomfortable predicament where to back Corey unconditionally will alienate a certain group (the sane group) but to declare his story untrue will be to offend his bud Corey and his supporters over at Gaia tv. So, he's basically offering us this phony moralism to conceal his lack of courage to take a definitive stance.

That's how I see it anyway.

And uh....oh god what's her name?....Jordan's girlfriend there? She's working for Corey and Roger whatever the f#ck he's calling himself now, and getting paid...buuuuut doesn't feel any pressure to push the "blue avian" narrative? Sure. That's called "getting bought out" darling. Google it.

The so called "Corey's Kids" are inherently harmless. Jordan is about as dark as Mickey Mouse. With all due respect to Daniel, I don't think for a second that there was any kind of satanic ritual at Contact. I think Jordan and his girlfriend and Justin are basically good people doing what I'm sure they believe is totally harmless. It's possible that their innocence and connection to the youth is being exploited here...and it's their responsibility ultimately to discover that and remove themselves from the situation. Meanwhile, the degree to which I personally am willing to hold them responsible for all this mess is minimal. I reserve the right to change my mind as this circus progresses...


(All capital letters to begin sentences, Wind. You happy?:) And punctuation. No, I never claimed to be a writer...just an ordinary schmuck who wanted to write a book:wink:

[UfonautRadio]

Well said Mike.

[Mike]

Well said Mike.



Thanks brother. Enjoying your shows.

[Atlas]

Is Ufology one of the Most Dangerous Professions in the World
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[Wind]

(All capital letters to begin sentences, Wind. You happy?:) And punctuation. No, I never claimed to be a writer...just an ordinary schmuck who wanted to write a book:wink:

Haha, yes very happy! Nice to see you here again, brother. :thumbsup:

[Tintin]

The little I've heard Church talking about Corey Goode, he is quite soft on him. Yes, Church does seem to be giving him a free pass, providing a media outlet where Goode can make his claims without having to address the hard questions leveled against him.

However, one statement Church makes is absolutely true: THE MATTER DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DIVIDE THE UFO AND CONSPIRACY COMMUNITY. And division happens on two sides, and many researchers on Avalon are on one of those sides. We don't have control of what the Corey Good supporter side has to side. We do, however, have the ability to shape our side of the message. That being said, here are a few guidelines I would suggest:

1) Take a deep breath of air. Remain calm and lucid. Know that the Corey Goode will story will be debunked and eventually, it will be universally accepted as a fraud. We don’t have control of the timeline of how the events unfold, we don’t know what disinformation tricks they have up their sleeves, but in the end, the truth always prevails. We will get there in good time, but until then, enjoy the scenic detours that will be created.

2) This isn’t bloody warfare, so conduct yourself with civility. Don’t attack people who disagree, listen more and shout less. When someone gives you their argument, listen carefully and try and find one or two weak points. Then offer them the least amount of verifiable and factual information it takes to counter those points. They certainly aren’t going to change their conclusions while you are shouting at them, and probably not even while you are talking politely at them. But if you leave them with a few good tidbits, this may lead them to start thinking on their own, on their own time, and coming to different conclusions.

Also, keep the language civil. Jordan Saither and Teresa Y are both married adults, and Jordan has children. Referring to them as “Corey’s Kids” is just plain foul. And while Roger Ramsaur does have strange tattoos, as many in the heavy metal community do, and may have participated in “a ritual”, this does not necessarily make him a “Satanist” and calling him one until this is definitely proven is also foul.

3) We need to try and come up with a simple, concise argument that fits within the short attention spans most early 21st century homo sapiens possess (especially for those not so sapient) that boils down to just a few bullet points. What are the smoking guns, and what are the simple facts (as opposed to the complex ones). Many 9/11 truthers decided that the most compelling piece of proof that have is the collapse of building 7. Is there a building 7 in the Corey Goode story?
In the end, the truth will prevail. The trick is getting it to do so without the violence and blood shed, because there will be more battles to fight after this one.


Some of the most sensible and erudite commentary that anyone has so far made about this subject matter: excellently put and I couldn't agree more. :clapping:

[Tintin]

Wow. That escalated very quickly! I think we're on right track if they're going to sue Daniel and Bill and whoever else is on their list. It's most probably the research and thinking part that's so menacing to them.:bigsmile:

:-) Spot on. And, I like your name as well

[Atlas]

Some of the most sensible and erudite commentary that anyone has so far made about this subject matter: excellently put and I couldn't agree more.
Yes I agree. A must read!

[Bubu]

Is this how stupid people are in his view? Is there anything that's not infiltrated? well maybe yes because everything is actually owned including ufology.

[Tintin]

Seems like an odd caption for a "show" because "ufology" was infiltrated from the get go and I think most serious veteran researchers and onlookers already know that.

I have no doubt that "ufology" was infiltrated--by ETs!

For example, in 1967 police officer Schirmer was abducted by members of the flying serpent ET group and was told: "This is an observation ship with a crew of four men . . .They send information little by little to prepare us . .. and also to disconcert and intrigue us . .. lately they have let us see too much . . .all should believe a little in them, but not too much. . . ." (See p. 37 of pdf of the EYE OF RA for details, link below--and thanks to the late Wendell Stevens for allowing me to reproduce the pictures from his book).

In my view as one who has had many experiences with the winged serpent ETs and their ET co-conspirators, they are the actual source of the infiltration and manipulation. I have no doubt that the Annunaki and their ilk are still alive and well and are the puppeteers at Langley, Pentagon, WDC, DUMBs, etc. These insidious ETs are still the instigators of endless wars on this planet.

The "ufology" circus that we are now witnessing is just a manifestation of ET dialectic machinations.

Also, anyone can start a YouTube channel and invite people who are eager for attention and put on a "show".

BTW, who was it that first coined the word "ufology", a contraction of ufo and ology (and would be spelled ufoology and could be pronounced you fool oh gee)?

From my own experiences I found that etology--the study of ETs--yields more significant information than studying their space craft.


ET machination is a certain possibility or, an in all probability, based on my explorations. By the way I enjoyed the Ufoology pun. Funnily enough Miles Johnston at last year's Awake and Aware conference used the very same play on words (without the 'Oh gee' bit) :highfive:

Also, if anybody can come up with another anagram of 'Corey Goode' apart from this one I will offer, please do share:

Code: Grey 00

[sunwings]

Corey is excited about the Jimmy Church appearance tonight. Found this on his facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/BlueAvians/posts/1762594290705026

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[Shadowself]

Looks like this is not about Corey Goode and his blue avains? But he said....:facepalm:

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[Kristin]

Looks like this is not about Corey Goode and his blue avains? But he said....:facepalm:

35468

I'm glad Corey continues to say such exaggerations, the more the merrier.

[Cardillac]

@Bill Ryan

"Sean David Morton to be sentenced, on Monday 19 June, to a probable term of 8 years or more"- for/under which pretenses?- please inform-

Larry



From Bill: all here.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88821-Sean-David-Morton

[Satori]

Wow. That escalated very quickly! I think we're on right track if they're going to sue Daniel and Bill and whoever else is on their list. It's most probably the research and thinking part that's so menacing to them.:bigsmile:

You know you're over the target when you start getting flak.

[RunningDeer]

UFO Community Roundtable. (https://jimmychurchradio.com) The show has begun.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/countdown_zpsczpfwh3r.gif



Radio host Jimmy Church announced last night in the intro to his show that Wednesday (tomorrow) he'll be hosting a major round table to look at 'whether ufology has been infiltrated'.

He says it might be the most important show he's ever done — and promised we'll all 'be surprised'. He says it's 'not what we think'.

He's not saying yet who his guests will be, though he may reveal more tonight. He states he refuses to partake in any 'negativity'.

He drops a lot of hints, but nothing was specific. I am wary.

The 12 minute segment (with all unconnected material edited out) is here... do listen.


http://projectavalon.net/Jimmy_Church_intro_12_June_2017.mp3 (6 Mb)

[norman]

The first hour missed by miles, to get anywhere near the problem.

This is like listening to the driver of the hype train getting his mates to shooo the chickens off the track.

The second section was nearly as bad as the first, but the KGRA guy had a slight moment of having a go at the hype end of things. For the most part, they are framing it up all wrong by implying that those who they call negative are complete disbelievers in anything at all in the ufology/paranormal field. This show is so far shaping up to be a complete crock.

This thread needs a title change badly. You know the sort, like when Bill adds [HOAX] to the beginning or end of a thread title. In this case it should be [CROCK]


Please excuse me if I get too bored or fall asleep and fail to complete my notes on this show.I was really going to cover the whole thing but I'm losing the will to live right now.

[Mike]

The first hour missed by miles, to get anywhere near the problem.



Agreed. This is boring as sh!t.

[RunningDeer]

The first hour missed by miles, to get anywhere near the problem.

Agreed. This is boring as sh!t.
Bunch of words
but not much said. (yet)
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/Calthinkingbubble2_zpsfwnfabgg.GIF

[Atlas]

I understand they just said something like: "bulls#hit is not worthy of attention". I'd rather agree with that.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-uwfeuvoETA/hqdefault.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JCV8VNNFsL0/WEhbFzJu3cI/AAAAAAAAguU/u0L5c_ETPr8A4VF-A4MQmbjzw947WTnJQCLcB/s1600/MJ-12%2BBogus.png

[Mike]

The first hour missed by miles, to get anywhere near the problem.

Agreed. This is boring as sh!t.
Bunch of words
but not much said. (yet)
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/Calthinkingbubble2_zpsfwnfabgg.GIF


Thanks for posting the link Paula!:hug:

Still holding out hope. Maybe we'll get something good here coming up.

[UfonautRadio]

Are we still in kindergarten? JC is saying we shouldn't question claims because it's just not nice and negative. We should keep it to ourselves.

Now someone is talking about people who disagree are losers...

Most of the guests have no idea about the elephant in the room because Jimmy won't let them say it or speak to it. It's CG, DW, and Gaia. It's too negative lol. The choice of guests were hand picked for their easy going nature, and non combative history.

Why didn't he just have CG and DJ or BR on? Not rocket science to figure out why...

[Shadowself]

Help me here....Who is on this show? I just signed on and started listening but do not know who is talking.

Thanks in advance!

Never mind. I just got the name of the guy talking.

[RunningDeer]

Help me here....Who is on this show? I just signed on and started listening but do not know who is talking.

Thanks in advance!

Never mind. I just got the name of the guy talking.

Hi Shadowself, I just caught your post. If I don’t refresh the browser page the new posts don’t show up.

The format is two guests per half hour for a three hour show. I couldn’t say who spoke because I don’t recognize any of the names. Jimmy Church will upload this show onto his YouTube channel tomorrow. Here’s the link - Fade to Black (https://www.youtube.com/user/KJCRFadeToBlack/videos)

[norman]

JC is part of the alliance marketing campaign in my opinion. He promotes CG and DW with wild abandon each show. Nothing wrong with that, but then don't turn around and tell your listeners you are neutral.

Hey Ufonaught, this Jimmy Church crock has been worse than useless. How about we all rally round and put together something actually related to the problem and do it on your show?

[RunningDeer]

Please excuse me if I get too bored or fall asleep and fail to complete my notes on this show. I was really going to cover the whole thing but I'm losing the will to live right now.

Bwahaha!!! Funny, funny. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/belly-laugh.gif

I see you've updated the post. While you were taking notes, I paid some bills and balanced my check book. Hang in there Norman, only one minute left. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/s-good-night.gif

[UfonautRadio]

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http://www.psn-radio.com/mondays/ufonautradio/

[Shadowself]

Well I missed most everything. Except the last two guests. The bar bell incident sounded interesting.

What No sightings of blue birds and spheres? Darn!!!

[we-R-one]

uh...you didn't miss much Shadowself....

[Mike]

They are trying to subtly blur the lines between healthy skeptics and trolls...by putting them all under the same umbrella labeled "haters".

And why aren't we naming names? That's just absurd man.

This was a soft, pathetic attempt at anesthetizing feelgoodedness. I don't think it fooled too many, but there are still surely a few out there mindlessly repeating "unity in the community" in a creepy, meditative monotone...wearing nondescript white uniforms and matching nikes, waiting for the space brothers to descend from a bright starry sky to save them.
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(back when he was sorta funny).

It's hard to explain how I'm feeling towards Church at the moment. I don't exactly feel violent, but I want to lift him up by his underwear and hang him by a meat hook or something...and then pelt him with jelly beans until he confesses to being a huge f#cking chancer (my brit friend just introduced me to that word. I've been waiting to deploy it. I hope I've used it properly).

Sigh, what a letdown. I didn't expect anything in the way of authenticity, but I would have preferred to have been annoyed in a more entertaining manner.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's the show:


http://projectavalon.net/Jimmy_Church_14_June_2017_Has_the_UFO_Community_been_Infiltrated.mp3 (http://projectavalon.net/Jimmy_Church_14_June_2017_Has_the_UFO_Community_been_Infiltrated.mp3)

The 'panel' of 10 — in 5 segments:


Lee Spiegel (HuffPost) + Micah Hanks (The Gralien Report)
John Burroughs (works with Linda Howe) + Race Hobbs (KGRA Radio manager)
Mike Bara (author) + John DeSouza (ex-FBI)
Steve Murillo (UPARS) + Tom Danheiser (C2C producer)
Jan Harzan (MUFON) + Peter Davenport (National UFO Reporting Center)

[Valley]

I missed it all but the last 2 guests...but i've always enjoyed listening to Peter Davenport's UFO reports...going back to his regular late-night Art Bell radio show appearances. He seems to be a tireless worker and fairly 'innocent party', amidst all the 'mudslinging'. :caked:
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[Gemma13]

Yep, disappointing! Not a total disappointment – but certainly majorly biased – and it was very obvious.

First four speakers were good, some of their points:

. too much sensationalism (in the middle group) of researchers [Top level, middle and fringe]

. most people doing the real hard work aren’t in the public sphere

. lots of the "entertainment" people on stage have done Nothing! No work at all.

. entertainment factor too big

. real whistleblowerrs won’t come forward as they will fear being ridiculed because of all the charlatans out there

. too many ego postings/shows

But it goes down a slippery biased slope from there. And yes they did allude greatly to bashing Dark Journalist. As well as Kerry Cassidy, etc because they’re old news and not invited to the conferences “so they’re jealous and people shouldn’t let them bad apples bother ‘em”. Mike Barra and John Desouza were very vocal on that whilst saying they took Wilcock and Goode on their word because they are people of good intent.

Depends what is the greatest priority within their good intentions though doesn't it, for the :cash: has such a clever way of clouding one's integrity.

They liked to throw the Hater word around as much as they could too!

Jimmy’s Analysis:

We need to listen to EVERYONE otherwise people will stop talking!

Agreed! So talk to them, interview them, but don’t elevate them into celebrity promotional tour status when their claims are so “sensationalist” because people who subscribe to Gaia will by default believe whoever is promoted by Gaia.

Why can’t these intelligences understand that dichotomy?? Never mind, the stakeholder interest is glaringly obvious, so it has to be a rhetorical question.

It was interesting to discover in The Saga of Corey Goode Vid, that ufo was the 2nd, I think, most googled term which is why these corporations are all over it for investment.

[norman]

Jimmy announced he was going to have a special show with a gathering of guests to discuss what he calls "has ufology been infiltrated". For about 5 seconds I actually imagined he meant it and it was going to be something important.

Even before it aired I'd realised that it was going to be like CNN or MSNBC announcing a program to discuss Fake News.

It matters not, now. He hit his target audience with his fake meme and went home to bed satisfied with himself, I'm sure.

He'd have surprised us all if he'd done the right thing and called it "Has the infiltration of ufology been rumbled".

[Cidersomerset]

Another link to the round table show starts approx 33mins in...
https://jimmychurchradio.com/

A few notes as I am listening to the show.....

47 mins in Lee tells Jimmy that there is to much teasing without facts in ufology.....

That sums it up pretty concisely , though we all know its much more complex
with genuine research , Dis info and imagination all mixed together and seen
as entertainment rather than a science or reality by many in the mainstream....

I like what Lee said about Nick Pope being a plant which I have thought for years...

Nick Pope is a gatekeeper for the MOD as far as I can tell....
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80469-Nick-Pope-MOD-Spokesman-and-UFO-Skeptic-on-Jimmy-Church-Fade-To-Black-4-March-2015

I'm into the second set of guests and this is generally vague so far ,
Jimmy keeps quoting detractors which is nothing new , still early
lets see if it goes anywhere.

Race sums it up pretty well aprox 118 mins in when he says any Tom,
Dick or Harriete can get five mins of fame on the many radio shows and
conferences these days (para phrasing) ....

I'm into the third group of guests and I still do not know who Jimmy is
referring to ? If its the critics and disinfo agents that have been there
since the beginning of ufology this is a very general discussion.

If he is trying to get at Corey bashers and the likes by asking if people are
being activated by mind control etc is vague, its amusing listening to Jimmy
trying to go somewhere with this , without getting anywhere so far...

Ah aprox 1.58 mins in Mike Bara does name David , Corey and Whitley as
Mike was at contact in the desert with Jimmy and knows the undertones of
this particular show...

Basically this was an anti climax in the sense that ufology has always and
still is infiltrated by intel and dis info agents. Though there were some
interesting comments by all the guests. I like Jimmy as a enthusiastic
interviewer who knows as much as most of us in this field and plays a part
in the community as a whole imo...

[UfonautRadio]

So strange, why would JC do the show? His listeners and detractors were both disappointed because he purposely booked guests that had limited knowledge about the issues.

If he was interested in squashing the beef, he would have had CG and BR or DJ, or RM. Isn't rocket science to see why he didn't do this...

The smart ones like DW and GN are staying very far from this one. This way if CG goes down, these guys are already way down the road.

[RunningDeer]

I apologize but my show is cancelled tonight as I have lost my voice.

Tonight cancelled: 10 pm EST/7 pm PST
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http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/Jesse-Randolph.jpg



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[abmqa]

So strange, why would JC do the show? His listeners and detractors were both disappointed because he purposely booked guests that had limited knowledge about the issues.

If he was interested in squashing the beef, he would have had CG and BR or DJ, or RM. Isn't rocket science to see why he didn't do this...

The smart ones like DW and GN are staying very far from this one. This way if CG goes down, these guys are already way down the road.


After the way JC hyped the show I expected more than what was delivered. After listening to the entire show, I came away feeling like I had been fooled into "click bait" like so many video's populating YouTube nowadays.

Also, his claims of "jealousy" as being one reason for the current level of discord in the UFO community rather than the pursuit of truth, speaks to me of a false narrative that others (un-named) may have desired to be broadcasted to the UFO community.

He should feel shame for such a cheap attempt at diverting attention from the real issue of truth seeking.

[norman]

So strange, why would JC do the show? His listeners and detractors were both disappointed because he purposely booked guests that had limited knowledge about the issues.

If he was interested in squashing the beef, he would have had CG and BR or DJ, or RM. Isn't rocket science to see why he didn't do this...

The smart ones like DW and GN are staying very far from this one. This way if CG goes down, these guys are already way down the road.


At some point in the show I can't even remember, he said he'd have no guests and no show if he asked them hard questions. That's EXACTLY why this smooth TruthJocking game he's a part of is SO destructive. A bloke like Jimmy Church doesn't even have to be 'on the payroll' to completely destroy ufology within a decade.

[Spiral]

So strange, why would JC do the show? His listeners and detractors were both disappointed because he purposely booked guests that had limited knowledge about the issues.

If he was interested in squashing the beef, he would have had CG and BR or DJ, or RM. Isn't rocket science to see why he didn't do this...

The smart ones like DW and GN are staying very far from this one. This way if CG goes down, these guys are already way down the road.


At some point in the show I can't even remember, he said he'd have no guests and no show if he asked them hard questions. That's EXACTLY why this smooth TruthJocking game he's a part of is SO destructive. A bloke like Jimmy Church doesn't even have to be 'on the payroll' to completely destroy ufology within a decade.

I wouldn't worry about it mate, there will always be enough new input & enough angles to keep it going, remember the main input of confusion & disinfo is from the "ETs" themselves, "they" are calling the shots, not the likes of CG, DW ,Church or even the intel agencies...they are ALL playing catchup.

This round will die down & another will start, it always does .....

[norman]

So strange, why would JC do the show? His listeners and detractors were both disappointed because he purposely booked guests that had limited knowledge about the issues.

If he was interested in squashing the beef, he would have had CG and BR or DJ, or RM. Isn't rocket science to see why he didn't do this...

The smart ones like DW and GN are staying very far from this one. This way if CG goes down, these guys are already way down the road.


At some point in the show I can't even remember, he said he'd have no guests and no show if he asked them hard questions. That's EXACTLY why this smooth TruthJocking game he's a part of is SO destructive. A bloke like Jimmy Church doesn't even have to be 'on the payroll' to completely destroy ufology within a decade.

I wouldn't worry about it mate, there will always be enough new input & enough angles to keep it going, remember the main input of confusion & disinfo is from the "ETs" themselves, "they" are calling the shots, not the likes of CG, DW ,Church or even the intel agencies...they are ALL playing catchup.

This round will die down & another will start, it always does .....

Dang, Spiral, I'm going to have to stand up for something here, I think.

I'm not OK about standing back and accepting whatever it is that's happening. Even if it really is ETs calling the shots, they are having to put effort into whatever they are doing because it won't do itself.

Oh they wish, alright, but as yet, there's still a resistance. People like smooth radio channel interviewers who only ever facilitate and facilitate whatever nefarious nonsense is going around, are dropping into place for the 'agenda' all over the board, but we can do something to resist that if we choose to.

[Spiral]

So strange, why would JC do the show? His listeners and detractors were both disappointed because he purposely booked guests that had limited knowledge about the issues.

If he was interested in squashing the beef, he would have had CG and BR or DJ, or RM. Isn't rocket science to see why he didn't do this...

The smart ones like DW and GN are staying very far from this one. This way if CG goes down, these guys are already way down the road.


At some point in the show I can't even remember, he said he'd have no guests and no show if he asked them hard questions. That's EXACTLY why this smooth TruthJocking game he's a part of is SO destructive. A bloke like Jimmy Church doesn't even have to be 'on the payroll' to completely destroy ufology within a decade.

I wouldn't worry about it mate, there will always be enough new input & enough angles to keep it going, remember the main input of confusion & disinfo is from the "ETs" themselves, "they" are calling the shots, not the likes of CG, DW ,Church or even the intel agencies...they are ALL playing catchup.

This round will die down & another will start, it always does .....

Dang, Spiral, I'm going to have to stand up for something here, I think.

I'm not OK about standing back and accepting whatever it is that's happening. Even if it really is ETs calling the shots, they are having to put effort into whatever they are doing because it won't do itself.

Oh they wish, alright, but as yet, there's still a resistance. People like smooth radio channel interviewers who only ever facilitate and facilitate whatever nefarious nonsense is going around, are dropping into place for the 'agenda' all over the board, but we can do something to resist that if we choose to.

The best form of resistance is self educated awareness, and part of that is realising just how deep the programming goes that makes us "open" to "accept" whatever....look at Obama, nothing more than a voice people had been programmed to accept via Hollywood !

Well it's the same with anyone that sets up as a "media" figure using memes we've all been made accustomed to

Back to "ET"....once they drop Corey (oh sorry to those who don't follow the long game ) they will reappear somewhere else to some one else, that has a new edge or catchiness, & it will be all off again, be it chanelling, cultish stuff or pics of flying discs...

[Bill Ryan]

We need to listen to EVERYONE otherwise people will stop talking!


I profoundly disagree. To give air time to false, embellished, or hoaxed stories just encourages and rewards the hoaxers more.

The main media portals (Gaia, C2C, F2B, Jeff Rense, and a bunch of other shows, not to mention the conferences) are also gatekeepers. NOT entertainers.

But Jimmy is an entertainer. At a fundamental level, he's more interested in the conversation (especially his own voice) than the truth. He's said just that, in so many other words.

Of course, claims need to be fairly aired, at least initially. But this is NOT a 'we report, you decide' situation. The media portals also have a responsibility for education, including how to think and examine information.

This is exactly Avalon's position, and I stand by that absolutely.

[norman]

The best form of resistance is self educated awareness, and part of that is realising just how deep the programming goes that makes us "open" to "accept" whatever....look at Obama, nothing more than a voice people had been programmed to accept via Hollywood !

Well it's the same with anyone that sets up as a "media" figure using memes we've all been made accustomed to

Back to "ET"....once they drop Corey (oh sorry to those who don't follow the long game ) they will reappear somewhere else to some one else, that has a new edge or catchiness, & it will be all off again, be it chanelling, cultish stuff or pics of flying discs...


I see your point, in the long view, but I see things very dynamically. I see myself as being responsible for doing what I can right now in the moment in holding off the foe while other parts of my human 'clan' get more muscular and join in the resistance.

It's very much a time based tactical battle, the way I look at most of these things. You know the stuff "no good closing the stable door after the horse has bolted" and all that.

[Spiral]

We need to listen to EVERYONE otherwise people will stop talking!


I profoundly disagree. To give air time to false, embellished, or hoaxed stories just encourages and rewards the hoaxers more.

The main media portals (Gaia, C2C, F2B, Jeff Rense, and a bunch of other shows, not to mention the conferences) are also gatekeepers. NOT entertainers.

But Jimmy is an entertainer. At a fundamental level, he's more interested in the conversation (especially his own voice) than the truth. He's said just that, in so many other words.

Of course, claims need to be fairly aired, at least initially. But this is NOT a 'we report, you decide' situation. The media portals also have a responsibility for education, including how to think and examine information.

This is exactly Avalon's position, and I stand by that absolutely.

I have to second that even if makes me a sicofant in some peoples eyes lol

[Spiral]

The best form of resistance is self educated awareness, and part of that is realising just how deep the programming goes that makes us "open" to "accept" whatever....look at Obama, nothing more than a voice people had been programmed to accept via Hollywood !

Well it's the same with anyone that sets up as a "media" figure using memes we've all been made accustomed to

Back to "ET"....once they drop Corey (oh sorry to those who don't follow the long game ) they will reappear somewhere else to some one else, that has a new edge or catchiness, & it will be all off again, be it chanelling, cultish stuff or pics of flying discs...


I see your point, in the long view, but I see things very dynamically. I see myself as being responsible for doing what I can right now in the moment in holding off the foe while other parts of my human 'clan' get more muscular and join in the resistance.

It's very much a time based tactical battle, the way I look at most of these things. You know the stuff "no good closing the stable door after the horse has bolted" and all that.

Time, yes, thats a biggy for most people, but if you stay fluid in your beliefs through your "time" then you can counteract most of that, the main thing is that they are trying to get people to spiritually tie themselves in with them ...

Belief is a big part of it & the reasons why are is the key to what we are !

[UfonautRadio]

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[UfonautRadio]

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[RunningDeer]

I apologize but my show is cancelled tonight as I have lost my voice.

Take care, JR. :wave:

Tonight cancelled

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http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/Jesse-Randolph.jpg

[CurEus]

This is turning into a bunch of high school level drama...well a bit more like Colonial Masterplanned level drama injected among indigenous tribal factions.

One would think this whole "divide and conquer" routine would be very obvious and very tired by now. Apparently it still works and is effective.
A few years back Bill and Kerry were forced to part ways after they became divided ( by design I expect) about their mission and how to approach their service to truth. This pattern is now repeating itself community wide. This time the question is not how to approach truth, but the very veracity and integrity of statements. This scenario today is also about how to silence honest conscientious scrutiny and any dissent that interferes with ego , credibility and ultimately the profitability of an enterprise in the making in being viciously defended.

For the love of sanity!
If you are the prophet, ambassador and ONLY anointed voice of Purple Monkey's, Blue Bird's, Bubble Federation, Sphere Collective would you PLEASE inform your aliens/gods/masters/handlers that on THIS ****ty density planet a few essentials MUST be satisfied.

1. This world works on money. Having the voice of YOUR ENTIRE galaxy/dimension/empire/race/people impoverished speaks volumes about your stupidity. Scan the planet, show him a gold mine...a sunken ship, give him some bitcoins, a fist full of diamonds...give him some useful tech to patent. Stock suggestions even....ANYTHING BUT having him beg for change. It makes him and you look incredulous.

2. Humans respect health. With your marvelous technology that will "save" this planet....fix his back/leg/arthritis/cancer or whatever. Negative ET's will "cure" their human breeding stock, why can't you at least do that for your Most IMPORTANT Ambassador to this planet? I mean you are "light years ahead" ffs. Maybe fix his "Swiss cheese" memory while you're at it. Makes him look shady and you aliens end up looking like morons.

3. Stop being coy. Educate your idiot Ambassador/Prophet. If you are an Intergalactic Species managing "first contact" you MUST have done SOME research. Then you'll know that your "Ambassador" better have an airtight and rock solid AND accurate accounting of you, your society and culture...we're suspicious by nature and YOU should know that. Sort that out BEFORE you make anyone your mouth piece. HEY why not teach him Earth's true history...just where is the Hall of Records, surely YOU guys must know. DO something "useful".

4. No excuses. We have short attention spans. We only live "about" 90 years...if you're not showing up in 2-5 years don't bother showing up. The planet would have imploded/exploded by then OR we will have "ascended/raptured/died of boredom waiting and we'll probably be talking to the squid faced Arcturians as the "latest" craze in ET contact.

end rant

[Mike]

We need to listen to EVERYONE otherwise people will stop talking!


I profoundly disagree. To give air time to false, embellished, or hoaxed stories just encourages and rewards the hoaxers more.

The main media portals (Gaia, C2C, F2B, Jeff Rense, and a bunch of other shows, not to mention the conferences) are also gatekeepers. NOT entertainers.

But Jimmy is an entertainer. At a fundamental level, he's more interested in the conversation (especially his own voice) than the truth. He's said just that, in so many other words.

Of course, claims need to be fairly aired, at least initially. But this is NOT a 'we report, you decide' situation. The media portals also have a responsibility for education, including how to think and examine information.

This is exactly Avalon's position, and I stand by that absolutely.

I have to second that even if makes me a sicofant in some peoples eyes lol



I'll 3rd it.

Spiral, there is a small group out there of emotionally stunted subnormals that will regard anything (ANYTHING) positive you say about Bill, Avalon, the mods, you name it..as sycophantic. Paul, Bill and Ilie could, all by themselves, save the galaxy from evil invading aliens, implement free energy on the earth, eradicate the illuminatti, and present each of these morons with a dozen beautiful bikini clad maids ..and they'd still, *STILL* find some reason to complain...

.....these are the same people who, all these years later..are STILL whining about how they were banned from the forum..and really and truly don't seem to understand why. If you folks are reading this, allow me to help you. it's very simple - you were banned because you were acting like huge *****, that's why.

Moving on...
Is Church really that naive?...or is he deliberately attempting to subtly steer this narrative by implementing memes of "jealousy" and "negativity" in place of healthy skepticism and sanity? I'm not trying to introduce any new conspiracies to this mess, but one can't help but wonder. I'm guessing it's the former. He kind of has that same goofy, aw-shucksy, nice guy thick-headedness that George Noory possesses. But who knows? Maybe all those things are being exploited externally. It would seem that way...

..strategically placing naive people as gatekeepers is the way to go if the idea is to dilute the already fragile credibility of the community. As usual, we have to look beyond the faces we see and into the world of string pullers. I'm not suggesting Church was put there by a group of 500 yr old men smoking Cuban cigars in a dark room with St Germain...but someone did, and someone is exploiting all his weaknesses. Getting influenced or bought out usually doesn't involve one man saying to another "you are going to say what I am going to tell you to say, when I tell you to." It's more subtle than that...

..It happens slowly and insidiously at first - first you have a Goode on your show...then maybe you're having a beer with him at a ufo convention...or you're writing an intro to his book...maybe he invites you over to his house, or up on stage for a q and a....and the next thing you know you're part of the blue bird clique, a chartered member.....and if someone were to ever ask you when or how it happened exactly, you couldn't quite answer them. It's analogous to David Icke's "totalitarian tiptoe" description.

[UfonautRadio]

I couldn't agree more with mike. This has truly become insulting to the "actual" ufology folks that JC and company seem to think they are leaders of. At this point they have made things much worse by trying to sell us some sanitized GN type fluff. If we don't take a stand against this type of junk, the next guy will be Johnathan Reed part 2.

If JC doesn't click on links or look at what the audience is saying, then he should..

[Hervé]

Has Ufology been Infiltrated? Grumble... grumble... entertainers... damn right Bill!

Look at the title: can a "discipline" ever be infiltrated? Insufficiently analyzed, yes; infiltrated? No!

Now, let's assume, Jimmy meant the "field" of UFOlogy... well, what infiltrated what?

Seriously: was a psy-op infiltrated by truthers? Or vice versa?

... because, "Ufology" was controlled to the hilt from the get go....

I'll refer you to this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98331-When-did-disclosure-morph-into-an-expand-my-consciousness-movement&p=1160249&viewfull=1#post1160249) (<---) and Stan Deyo's introduction to his presentation in which he mentions something to the effect of: "You have no idea of the extent to which they would go in order to make something real."


CsagEYfxPgs

For those who (re)watch that Stan Deyo's presentation... here is the big question: Was Roswell a "False Flag" designed in order to get scientists cranking on with their slide rules (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_rule)? Or was it real? From there, the main divides in "Ufology."

[TrumanCash]

From my viewpoint and experiences what we are seeing is a reflection of the "new age" movements. I use the term "new age" because they themselves identify themselves as "new age". (BTW, I never heard of Gaia TV until I read about it on this forum and was surprised to see that it was just another YouTube channel--and anyone can put up a YouTube channel.)

I ran headlong into this new age phenomenon in the early half of the nineties when I began getting flashbacks of abductions, getting implanted and having all kinds of wild experiences with Grays. I talked openly about it and so I began to meet new agers and a few who had woke up to the channeling deception. I was right in the middle of Ramtha and channeled Pleiadian country. Consequently--to make a long story short--I was able to expose channeling with past life and abduction research and concurrent abductions.

Phil Schneider use to say "put your skepticals on". Beliefs can be very powerful things. Within the new age movements there are various belief systems that sometimes serve to block the questioning of authority and real truth seeking. Consequently, they don't put their skepticals on. However, I have met ex-new agers who have awakened from the mind control of the NWO and the machinations of the ET Conspirators (e.g., Annunaki, Mantids, Grays, Reptilians, aka ETCs) who are the ones doing the channeling and the micro-macro-managing of the planet as I know from firsthand experience.

Perhaps more in a general sense, what we are witnessing is the difference between people who choose the blue pill instead of the red. Unfortunately, the blue pill belief systems implanted by the ETCs themselves are tempting bait to those who do not question. I saw firsthand in Ramtha country how these religious belief systems created divisions even between new agers. And I see it now again.

I wish I had a big box of glasses to hand out to people like in the movie "They Live".

[UfonautRadio]

It's not another YT channel. Gaia has a cable network channel as well that is HUGE.

[WhiteFeather]

Church is starting to creep me out as much to the likes of Corey Goode if I may.....

[Builder]

Upheavals and controversy at MUFON.
A major public battle between Peter Robbins and Larry Warren, who were co-authors of an important book, Left at East Gate (https://www.amazon.com/Left-East-Gate-First-Hand-Investigation/dp/1569247595) (about the Dec 1980 Bentwaters case).
Sean David Morton to be sentenced, on Monday 19 June, to a probable term of 8 years or more.
Major conflict (basically about wildly differing standards of research and due diligence) re the Corey Goode/ David Wilcock/ Gaia TV saga.


There may even be something cooking up between Corey Goode and David Wilcock. From what I have heard they were not seen together at Contact in the Desert. David was also missing on the Corey team meeting photos that Dark Journalist published.

[RunningDeer]

Upheavals and controversy at MUFON.
A major public battle between Peter Robbins and Larry Warren, who were co-authors of an important book, Left at East Gate (https://www.amazon.com/Left-East-Gate-First-Hand-Investigation/dp/1569247595) (about the Dec 1980 Bentwaters case).
Sean David Morton to be sentenced, on Monday 19 June, to a probable term of 8 years or more.
Major conflict (basically about wildly differing standards of research and due diligence) re the Corey Goode/ David Wilcock/ Gaia TV saga.


There may even be something cooking up between Corey Goode and David Wilcock. From what I have heard they were not seen together at Contact in the Desert. David was also missing on the Corey team meeting photos[/B] that Dark Journalist published.

It may be in part because of their speaking schedules. They were on two panels @ Contact in the Desert (http://contactinthedesert.com/panels-2017/). (added below) Though it doesn't account for the evening down time.

As far as I can tell, David Wilcock isn't part of the 2017 MUFON Symposium (http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?llr=vmbnovdab&oeidk=a07edritaja246b8bf7) - "The Case for a Secret Space Program" nor the book by the same name, so he wouldn't be at the meeting or in the photo shown by the Dark Journalist.





Book (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWsgGeTrb0): "The Case for a Secret Space Program" is a collaborative new book to be released in July featuring veteran researchers Dr. Robert Wood and Dr. Michael Salla, and secret space program whistleblowers William Tompkins and Corey Goode.

This first book in a series will tie in the testimonies of Goode and Tompkins with the research of Dr. Wood and Dr. Salla to explain precisely how advanced science were obtained by corporations on our planet, and how technology gained from these sciences were kept secret and built out.

Book releasing at the MUFON Symposium in Las Vegas in Mid July, eBook will be available.


****
Contact in the Desert Schedule:

David Wilcock (http://contactinthedesert.com/david-wilcock/)

Friday Lecture A - 10:30AM-12:30P
Friday Panel 1 - 4:00PM-6:00PM
Friday Workshop - 7:00PM-9:00PM
Saturday Lecture B - 10:30AM-12:O0PM
Sunday Panel 2 - 2:00PM-4:O0PM
Monday Intensive - 4:45PM-7:45PM


Corey Goode (http://contactinthedesert.com/coreygoode/)

Saturday Lecture - 4:15PM-6:15P
Sunday Workshop - 11:00AM-1:00PM
Monday Intensive - 1:15PM-4:15PM


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[TrumanCash]

It's not another YT channel. Gaia has a cable network channel as well that is HUGE.

Thanks for correcting my misunderstanding. I was not aware that it was a cable network channel as I don't watch TV. I understand the situation more now and in a broader context.

[Shannon]

So strange, why would JC do the show? His listeners and detractors were both disappointed because he purposely booked guests that had limited knowledge about the issues.

If he was interested in squashing the beef, he would have had CG and BR or DJ, or RM. Isn't rocket science to see why he didn't do this...

The smart ones like DW and GN are staying very far from this one. This way if CG goes down, these guys are already way down the road.


At some point in the show I can't even remember, he said he'd have no guests and no show if he asked them hard questions. That's EXACTLY why this smooth TruthJocking game he's a part of is SO destructive. A bloke like Jimmy Church doesn't even have to be 'on the payroll' to completely destroy ufology within a decade.

This! So much this! ^^^

[Gemma13]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-ff_Rnv47k
@ 4:33 Jimmy’s Intro “Are you guys all believers” Yeah!

Clearly evident when listening to Jimmy's introduction that he is “NOT NEUTRAL” when it comes to Corey.
Copycatting Evangelist Preachers much :facepalm:

[Star Tsar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-ff_Rnv47k
@ 4:33 Jimmy’s Intro “Are you guys all believers” Yeah!

Clearly evident when listening to Jimmy's introduction that he is “NOT NEUTRAL” when it comes to Corey.
Copycatting Evangelist Preachers much :facepalm:

Published April Fool's Day!!!
:doh: :laugh: :pound:

[Justplain]

'"The Case for a Secret Space Program", a collaborative new book to be released in July', is an obvious piece of disinfo (deliberate or otherwise). We know that the secret space program exists, as per credible whistleblowers like Bill Uhouse, who worked in Area 51 on antigravity flight simulator in the 1950’s and met aliens:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VxA-Y4enohQ

Or Gary McKinnon's testimony.

Then, the disinfo is added, peddled by a perhaps well intentioned naive researcher with 'credible' credentials, like Dr. Salas. This guy takes the truth and mixes it with fairy tales from guys like corey goode and captain kaye. Then they have fun at conferences spinning campfire stories as if its truth. Its like santa claus actually has a house at the north pole.

At least for good fiction there is a moral to the story. I dont see jimmy church/corey goode/salas/wilcock having any moral redemption. They are just peddling disinfo as entertainment. Its the traditional mainstream media or religion approach of 'you in the audience stay where you are as sheeple, and these actors will save the day. And you will owe them a debt of gratitude and submission.'

They can take a hike.

[Shadowself]

Here is the thing and why I'm so passionate about getting the truth rather than fairy tales. There are laws being broken and peoples lives as stake and this is no joking matter. I know I tend to often be cynical about the material put out, especially lately.

But playtime is over folks. I've been personally searching for answers as to how long are they going to get away with this. Then along come the profiteers who degrade what should be responsible reporting and make a mockery of what some people have actually sacrificed their lives and family's lives for.

So it's a matter of belief rather than the truth? If this person Corey Goode keeps telling fairy tales, it's a matter diverting attention away from and excusing the very subject as some kind of UFO religion which it is not! Nor does it deserve a cult following!

If this guy Jimmy Church wishes to support this morally bankrupt crew for what it really is which is a UFO religion than that is on him and nobody else.

But keep in mind the people who have died over this very subject while the likes of Jimmy Church mull over comic books! It actually makes me sick to my stomach knowing what I know and searching for some damned truth.

When I see Corey's great new friends exclaim "I had the best sex ever with a reptilian alien", or "I just love Rendlesham Forest!" I want to, in my best valley girl accent say gag me with a spoon! For God sake get real! If you want to live in a new age religion fine...go find a prism and spin on it. But leave the real UFO research and facts to the adults to figure out because you will probably end up having that crystal surgically removed someday.

[Praxis]

Dont you think it is strange when people say things like "I heard the blue avian message".

Also dont you think it is strange that you had to hear this message through a conduit and not directly? If they truly were what they claim to be, why not start meeting people who are open to the message directly?
Wait, Am i being left out? Have you people met a Blue avian and are holding out on us? Am I not cool enough to be in the club?

What is this message btw? I am not sure I know what it is even though I have read and watched many things from CG/DW.

[LadyKitt]

The first hour missed by miles, to get anywhere near the problem.

Agreed. This is boring as sh!t.
Bunch of words
but not much said. (yet)
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/Calthinkingbubble2_zpsfwnfabgg.GIF

Yeah, but all those kissy-face obsequious ego-schmoozing words were so full of hot air that roundtable group was prolly ready to float.

Hey, if we strapped them to the table and lit all that hot gas, we'd have our first manned mission to Mars!

Ah, well, day late perhaps. Still, I thoroughly enjoyed the thread. Thanks, all! :sun:

Kitt

[Gemma13]

What is this message btw? I am not sure I know what it is even though I have read and watched many things from CG/DW.

BE MORE LOVING AND SERVICE TO OTHERS! There’s the biggest CLUE!

To the caring person being more loving and service to others sounds like a really “nice” thing.

To those wanting (and holding) power over others, it is a MUST!
You can’t have power over another if they are not in service to you.

This whole Service to Self/Service to Others Meme in the alternative is one big PSYOP! Creating Division and Separation!

If our collective global behaviours reflected compassion and kindness we would be acting sovereign and equal. No SERVICE involved. Humanitarianism, charity, altruism would become needless.

[raregem]

What is this message btw? I am not sure I know what it is even though I have read and watched many things from CG/DW.

BE MORE LOVING AND SERVICE TO OTHERS! There’s the biggest CLUE!

To the caring person being more loving and service to others sounds like a really “nice” thing.

To those wanting (and holding) power over others, it is a MUST!
You can’t have power over another if they are not in service to you.

This whole Service to Self/Service to Others Meme in the alternative is one big PSYOP! Creating Division and Separation!

If our collective global behaviours reflected compassion and kindness we would be acting sovereign and equal. No SERVICE involved. Humanitarianism, charity, altruism would become needless.

I appreciate your candor and reflection on this subject. Would you mind adding more to the STO/STS meme. This one also seems scrambled in it's concept for me. I do believe it has been one of "turning the other cheek" (bible) only to be harmed in the end. Oh, unless one is only the observer and not taking the hits personally. The message I have at this time is to shut down FEELINGS of the empathic kind and just observe. But, then what??????

n

[Gemma13]

Would you mind adding more to the STO/STS meme

Wish I had time for that but at the moment I’m swamped. Ever since I discovered the alternative though it has always intrigued me as it is bandied around everywhere . . . and personally I think it’s a ridiculous polarity.

But I think your request is a good one as I too would love to see a full investigation and expose into its origins and how it has become such an embedded “phrase”.

[UfonautRadio]

I think Dolan is the only "A" lister that has been outspoken about CG and co being nothing more than "camp fire" stories. Shame on MUFON for not doing anything but assisting these snake oil folks the opportunity to grow their base with MUFON credibility attached.

I will have an open forum show live this Thursday to discuss for anyone that needs to offer a way to distance this "disclosure" group from the subject of Ufology. Unity in the community is a pleasant thought, but I would much rather have honesty in the community.

[norman]

I think Dolan is the only "A" lister that has been outspoken about CG and co being nothing more than "camp fire" stories. Shame on MUFON for not doing anything but assisting these snake oil folks the opportunity to grow their base with MUFON credibility attached.

I will have an open forum show live this Thursday to discuss for anyone that needs to offer a way to distance this "disclosure" group from the subject of Ufology. Unity in the community is a pleasant thought, but I would much rather have honesty in the community.

Carrying a large shovel usually helps when you find a united community of flies on a pile of cow doo.

[turiya]

I think Dolan is the only "A" lister that has been outspoken about CG and co being nothing more than "camp fire" stories. Shame on MUFON for not doing anything but assisting these snake oil folks the opportunity to grow their base with MUFON credibility attached.

I will have an open forum show live this Thursday to discuss for anyone that needs to offer a way to distance this "disclosure" group from the subject of Ufology. Unity in the community is a pleasant thought, but I would much rather have honesty in the community.

Carrying a large shovel usually helps when you find a united community of flies on a pile of cow doo.

And, a rather LARGE shovel if you really want to clean out the barn... It goes far beyond CG.

[UfonautRadio]

All are invited tonight. http://www.psn-radio.com/thursdays/ufonautradio/

[Bill Ryan]

I will have an open forum show live this Thursday to discuss for anyone that needs to offer a way to distance this "disclosure" group from the subject of Ufology. Unity in the community is a pleasant thought, but I would much rather have honesty in the community.

Jesse's show (for newer members and guests, UfonautRadio is Jesse Randolph) can he heard here: (click the green button to listen live)

http://psn-radio.com/thursdays/ufonautradio — tonight (Thursday), 8 pm PST / 11 pm EST.

[norman]

All are invited tonight. http://www.psn-radio.com/thursdays/ufonautradio/

20:00 Thursday, Pacific Time (PT) is 04:00 Friday, British Summer Time (BST):sleep:

But I'll be delighted to find out tomorrow that a whole bunch in the same time zone joined in and had a good session.

[UfonautRadio]

Yes Bill a typo which Angel is fixing now...

8PM PST, 11PM EST

-JR

[UfonautRadio]

https://soundcloud.com/psnradio/ufonaut-radio-rotten-apples-strike-back-06-29-2017?in=psnradio/sets/ufonaut-radio

[Pigtail Gurl]

What is this message btw? I am not sure I know what it is even though I have read and watched many things from CG/DW.

BE MORE LOVING AND SERVICE TO OTHERS! There’s the biggest CLUE!

To the caring person being more loving and service to others sounds like a really “nice” thing.

To those wanting (and holding) power over others, it is a MUST!
You can’t have power over another if they are not in service to you.

This whole Service to Self/Service to Others Meme in the alternative is one big PSYOP! Creating Division and Separation!

If our collective global behaviours reflected compassion and kindness we would be acting sovereign and equal. No SERVICE involved. Humanitarianism, charity, altruism would become needless.

Gemma, I really think you've hit the nail upon it's proverbial head. Well said :highfive::clapping:

[Pigtail Gurl]

A true round table discussion would be full of real opposition. Not just a load of back slapping and feet kissing. Mainstream and Jimmy Church.... Hardly any difference these days.

[Callista]

Great to hear from you PG - :heart: your work!!

[norman]

What is this message btw? I am not sure I know what it is even though I have read and watched many things from CG/DW.

BE MORE LOVING AND SERVICE TO OTHERS! There’s the biggest CLUE!

To the caring person being more loving and service to others sounds like a really “nice” thing.

To those wanting (and holding) power over others, it is a MUST!
You can’t have power over another if they are not in service to you.

This whole Service to Self/Service to Others Meme in the alternative is one big PSYOP! Creating Division and Separation!

If our collective global behaviours reflected compassion and kindness we would be acting sovereign and equal. No SERVICE involved. Humanitarianism, charity, altruism would become needless.

Gemma, I really think you've hit the nail upon it's proverbial head. Well said :highfive::clapping:


No kidding, and I'm not either. Stuff gets woven right into our lives like the fact that before they had the NSA they had the confessional booth network.

[Innocent Warrior]

Suggested reading for those who promote misinformation and seek to diminish the value of discernment.

Excerpt from study, "Correcting false information in memory: Manipulating the strength of misinformation encoding and its retraction" (2011) -


Information that is presumed to be true at encoding but later on turns out to be false (i.e., misinformation) often continues to influence memory and reasoning. In the present study, we investigated how the strength of encoding and the strength of a later retraction of the misinformation affect this continued influence effect. Participants read an event report containing misinformation and a subsequent correction. Encoding strength of the misinformation and correction were orthogonally manipulated either via repetition (Experiment 1) or by imposing a cognitive load during reading (Experiment 2). Results suggest that stronger retractions are effective in reducing the continued influence effects associated with strong misinformation encoding, but that even strong retractions fail to eliminate continued influence effects associated with relatively weak encoding. We present a simple computational model based on random sampling that captures this effect pattern, and conclude that the continued influence effect seems to defy most attempts to eliminate it.

Full study HERE (https://link.springer.com/article/10.3758%2Fs13423-011-0065-1#enumeration).

The likes of Church and Deschamps can spin it however they want but no amount of fluffy will change the fact that misinformation hinders the search for truth.

[Bill Ryan]

A true round table discussion would be full of real opposition. Not just a load of back slapping and feet kissing. Mainstream and Jimmy Church.... Hardly any difference these days.

Yes, for sure. :thumbsup:

And a very warm welcome also from me, to Pigtail Gurl. :star: She was actually a member here back in 2015, under a different name, and had posted a couple of times before she lost her password.

RunningDeer (Paula) tracked her down, after this video had been posted on The Truth about Corey Goode (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1162170&viewfull=1#post1162170) thread, and so we're delighted to have her back here again. Do watch... recommended.

(Jesse Randolph/UfonautRadio played a nice clip from her video on his radio show (https://soundcloud.com/psnradio/ufonaut-radio-rotten-apples-strike-back-06-29-2017?in=psnradio/sets/ufonaut-radio) last night, at about the 1 hr 16 min mark.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WafZv4iXQpA

[Hervé]

Suggested reading for those who promote misinformation and seek to diminish the value of discernment.

Excerpt from study, "Correcting false information in memory: Manipulating the strength of misinformation encoding and its retraction" (2011) -


Information that is presumed to be true at encoding but later on turns out to be false (i.e., misinformation) often continues to influence memory and reasoning. In the present study, we investigated how the strength of encoding and the strength of a later retraction of the misinformation affect this continued influence effect. Participants read an event report containing misinformation and a subsequent correction. Encoding strength of the misinformation and correction were orthogonally manipulated either via repetition (Experiment 1) or by imposing a cognitive load during reading (Experiment 2). Results suggest that stronger retractions are effective in reducing the continued influence effects associated with strong misinformation encoding, but that even strong retractions fail to eliminate continued influence effects associated with relatively weak encoding. We present a simple computational model based on random sampling that captures this effect pattern, and conclude that the continued influence effect seems to defy most attempts to eliminate it.Full study HERE (https://link.springer.com/article/10.3758%2Fs13423-011-0065-1#enumeration).

The likes of Church and Deschamps can spin it however they want but no amount of fluffy will change the fact that misinformation hinders the search for truth.
:bump:

Extremely important (re)discovery because that's what the MSM has been using with the flood of "Fake News" whether it be Trump, Assad, Saddam, Qaddafi, Putin, Syria, Russia, Iran, on-and-on-and-on...

... that's the importance of "First strike" in a propaganda war, you know, like "Putin's Missile."

[Cidersomerset]

Extremely important (re)discovery because that's what the MSM has been
using with the flood of "Fake News" whether it be Trump, Assad, Saddam, Qaddafi,
, Syria, Russia, Iran, on-and-on-and-on...

I was just thinking that as I watched Cross Talk on RT and they are discussing
CNN's latest 'Fake News' outing by project Veritas https://www.youtube.com/user/veritasvisuals/videos
and how this agenda has been pushed along with Russian Hacking which is
a 'Nothing Burger' and the Washington mil ind com. conveyor belt, which could
lead to a project blue beam type event. I see everything is connected to various
degrees and there is a massive media war going on at present .....
Cross Talk : Counterfeit News Network....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wylGHKJLuMY

or ......David Icke Videocast - Mass Murder Inc - Any Lie Will Do ...30/7/17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdwQOE26aGw

[RunningDeer]

FYI: if you missed the show because of time constraints, here’s last evening recording. (Thursday, June 29th) - Ufonaut Radio "Rotten Apples Strike Back!” (https://soundcloud.com/psnradio/ufonaut-radio-rotten-apples-strike-back-06-29-2017?in=psnradio/sets/ufonaut-radio).

Jimmy Church roundtable begins [clip] @ 39:00
Pigtail Gurl, Avalon member (a.k.a. The Pursuit of Happiness (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseL7_vlsN-AphLiWrdRzyQ?spfreload=10 opinion is heard)) [clip] @ 1:16:37
Corey Goode @ 1:22:06
David Wilcock [topic] @ 1:35:30 (ish)
Open phone lines @ 1:37:20
Richard Dolan [clip] @ 1:50:30 (1:52:00)
Randy Maugans @ 1:57:00
Wrap-up @ 2:02:00




[I]"...tonight's episode will feature audio clips from our number 1 nemesis "Little Ray of Sunshine" and also we will play audio clips of people who don't buy the b.s coming from Corey Goode, and Gaia..."


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/Jesse-Randolph.jpg

[Cidersomerset]

This is a bit of a heavy listen but is part of the overall picture....

DISCLOSURE INC. THE ART OF THE STEAL! NEW AGE DEEP STATE PART 5 - DARK JOURNALIST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keRXEzgjZ1E
Published on 1 Jul 2017


Visit http://www.DarkJournalist.com

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW!
New Age Deep State Part 5: Whistleblower Annette O'Toole
In this breakthrough Part 5 episode of New Age Deep State, Dark Journalist
welcomes Whistleblower Annette O’Toole from the Ascending Starseed website
who worked closely as a former insider with the 3 Year Disclosure Marketing
Cult of self-proclaimed ‘Time Traveling Astronaut’ Corey Goode and his Business
Partner Roger Ramsaur. The Marketing Cult includes questionable aspects in their
program such as a therapy network to help followers cope with disclosure, ‘Corey’s
Kids’ space gear promotions and a Comic Book based on Goode’s adventures in
Secret Space with Blue Avian aliens.

Full Disclosure Corporation Harvesting Operation
O’Toole, who has successfully run the Ascending Starseed website for many years,
recounts her experience working with Corey and Company to set up a Solstice
Conference for the Summer and how she spent months formulating the event as
the corporation encouraged her to build it up. She soon became wary of dealing
with Goode when the 3 Year Disclosure Marketing Cult started to control the terms
of her association and she saw her colleagues used as proxies, treated poorly, and
then thrown aside.

She decided the group was not so much interested in 'love and light' and a Space
Being philosophy of oneness as it was in optimizing their bottom line at the expense
of their members. Eventually, through a series of slick corporate business moves,
O’Toole found herself cut completely out of the loop of her own conference.

Five Major Figures Come Forward
O’Toole’s powerful account fits with a wider pattern of using assets and ideas without
permission and general disregard for intellectual property that the marketing group
seems to embrace. Five major figures in Alternative Research have come forward with
accounts of these kind of incidents, including popular Web Bots developer Clif High, Dr.
Joseph Farrell, Linda Moulton Howe, The Object Report’s Agent K and UFO Filmmaker Jim Nichols.

O’Toole’s message is not one of bitterness, but of awareness in dealing with what she
views as 'unethical and shady’ business practices of he 3 Year Disclosure Marketing Cult.
Her personal experience with Corey and Company has set her on a path of helping others
to question the claims of any group that purports to be in touch with ‘Higher Beings.'

[RunningDeer]

DISCLOSURE INC. THE ART OF THE STEAL! NEW AGE DEEP STATE PART 5 - DARK JOURNALIST

Thanks, Steve. :wave:

Part 5 is also posted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97897-Dark-Journalist-A-Six-Part-Series-on-The-New-Age-Deep-State&p=1163817&viewfull=1#post1163817) along with Parts 1-4.

[Cidersomerset]

This is from the 22/6/17 as shown below and its a conversation with Randy Maugans
giving his thoughts on the current state of ufology including Corey Goode....

This is a pretty good general discussion for the first 20 mins then Randy gets into
the Corey cult and more including MUFON , Steven Greer and others. He covers
a lot of ground and you may not agree with all of it , especially his comment on
the cult and mind control aspect of Project Avalon . Which is BS imo though
there may well of been members who have suffered from that state of mind before
joining as in all aspects of life and there would of been trolls and operatives lurking
as active members over the years on such a far ranging forum. But he is entitled
to his opinion and may explain it better on reflection ?

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Blue Avian Cult Dividing UFO Community, Randy Maugans

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Published on 22 Jun 2017


Blue Avian Cult Dividing UFO Community, Randy Maugans
http://www.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com/s...

Randy Maugans www.offplanetradio.com is consumed by a media war with assholes in the UFO community.
The alternative media is shredding itself over the “Full disclosure now” UFO cult,
They’re attempting a “fakeover”,
George Noory is stumbling off to stage left,
David Wilcock needs a new act,
Roger Ramsaur (reported by the Dark Journalist to be a satanist) is doing comic books and puppet shows,
There’s a changing of the guard in the disclosure community!
It was Randy’s viral post on Facebook that
was leaked to the Corey Goode camp and discombobulated the entire universe.
It also made Bill Ryan drag himself out of obscurity (after 4 years) to write an expose’ on the blue Avian
alien cult & Corey Goode.“Corey’s kids” is a marketing gimmick designed to bring young people into the
UFO disclosure movement, using pop culture media like comics, CGI & other tools such as “Disclosure
backpacks” full of goodness knows what goodies.
Even Jimmy Church is having a round table discussion on this topic,
asking the question: “Is the UFO community infiltrated?!”

[Joe from the Carolinas]

wiOeKyzpUUE

[norman]

If what Church has built from 'nothing' is good enough, it isn't threatend by an opinion or even a factual truth.

Why would he do that ?

What is he avoiding ?

The last time I bothered to read anything he wrote on FB, he was adamant, in the extreme, that he will not and does not listen to anything at all that doesn't sound sweet to his ears.

I can't help getting the image in my head that if I ever see a photograph of him and a lovable little kitty, together, it won't be him stroking the kitty, it will be the kitty stroking him.