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Eric J (Viking)

14th June 2017, 06:04

This is all over the news in UK...

On the brink of COLLAPSE: Trapped residents scream for help and hurl themselves from windows as huge inferno engulfs 27-storey West London with at least one feared dead

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4601902/Huge-inferno-West-London-tower-block.html

Viking

Cidersomerset

14th June 2017, 06:25

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.21.17/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40269625

LIVE: People trapped in huge west London tower block inferno – reports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPT-zk50_G4

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Ashy67

14th June 2017, 06:42

Apparently people were jumping out of windows and eye witnesses say they saw children at windows trapped. The building had just had a refurbishment and a gas main fitted. I hope not too many people are hurt :heart: alot of people are still unaccounted for.

Star Tsar

14th June 2017, 06:48

Human beings should not be living in conditions like that in the 21st century!!
:facepalm:

Atlas

14th June 2017, 06:57

LIVE: People trapped in huge west London tower block inferno – reports http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cThz75ASNZ4

@0:34: "At least 40 fire trucks are on the scene there"

40, really? now, that's quite something..

Star Tsar

14th June 2017, 08:15

The building had just had a refurbishment and a gas main fitted.

I am hearing of a growing number of London housing estates that are losing their cheaper communal gas powered central heating for way more expensive individual heating systems resulting in more profits for the gas companies & more tax for the government.

I cannot wait for the British people to realise that we are being sold down the river day by day!!!
I know it's just a reflection of the stagnation of our species but today incident is a glaring example for those whom have eyes to see

Another thing that is not sitting well with me this morning is that if one re-arranges and does a little subtraction to todays date you'll get a six, six, six.

Baby Steps

14th June 2017, 09:20

A quick summary from LBC (http://www.lbc.co.uk/news/london/west/kensington-chelsea/residents-warned-grenfell-tower-was-a-fire-risk/):

Residents Warned Last Year Grenfell Tower Was A Fire Risk
14 June 2017, 04:58
Residents at the 24-storey tower block which went up in flames warned last year that their building was a fire risk.
The Grenfell Action Group wrote of their concern about the health and safety problems with their block of flats during improvement works last year.
In January 2016, they wrote: "It has been very clear for some time to the residents of Grenfell Tower that those responsible for ensuring the smooth running of Lancaster West Estate are failing in their duty of care and wilfully allowing our residential amenity to decline in unacceptable ways.
"Nowhere is this better demonstrated than in our landlords failure to deal with a serious health and safety issue that recently developed at the entrance/exit to Grenfell Tower.
"This matter is of particular concern as there is only one entry and exit to Grenfell Tower during the Improvement Works and the potential for a fire to break out in the communal area on the walkway does not bear thinking about as residents would be trapped in the building with no way out!"

That particular issue was sorted out 18 months ago, but the action group warned: "Not for the first time we must ask how safe is Lancaster West, can staff be trusted to ensure it is safe, and what hidden fire risks might be lurking in Grenfell Tower or elsewhere on the estate?"
In November 2016, they wrote: "It is a truly terrifying thought but the Grenfell Action Group firmly believe that only a catastrophic event will expose the ineptitude and incompetence of our landlord, the KCTMO (Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation), and bring an end to the dangerous living conditions and neglect of health and safety legislation that they inflict upon their tenants and leaseholders.
"The Grenfell Action Group believe that the KCTMO narrowly averted a major fire disaster at Grenfell Tower in 2013 when residents experienced a period of terrifying power surges that were subsequently found to have been caused by faulty wiring."
The entire building caught fire in the early hours of this morning. 200 firefighters are dealing with the blaze.
Whether anyone is stuck inside at the moment is unclear, although eyewitnesses told LBC they saw people waving and shouting from the top of the building.

Now check out the 'Grenfell Action Group (https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/)'

THEY WERE WARNED THAT THE NEW CLADDING TO THE TOWER WAS A FIRE RISK

KCTMO – Playing with fire!
Posted on November 20, 2016 by grenfellactiongroup

It is a truly terrifying thought but the Grenfell Action Group firmly believe that only a catastrophic event will expose the ineptitude and incompetence of our landlord, the KCTMO, and bring an end to the dangerous living conditions and neglect of health and safety legislation that they inflict upon their tenants and leaseholders. We believe that the KCTMO are an evil, unprincipled, mini-mafia who have no business to be charged with the responsibility of looking after the every day management of large scale social housing estates and that their sordid collusion with the RBKC Council is a recipe for a future major disaster.
Unfortunately, the Grenfell Action Group have reached the conclusion that only an incident that results in serious loss of life of KCTMO residents will allow the external scrutiny to occur that will shine a light on the practices that characterise the malign governance of this non-functioning organisation. We believe that the KCTMO have ensured their ongoing survival by the use of proxy votes at their Annual General Meeting that see them returned with a mandate of 98% in favour of the continuation of their inept and highly dangerous management of our homes. It is no coincidence that the 98% is the same figure that is returned by the infamous Kim Jong-un of North Korea who claims mass popularity while reputedly enslaving the general population and starving the majority of his people to death.

It is our conviction that a serious fire in a tower block or similar high density residential property is the most likely reason that those who wield power at the KCTMO will be found out and brought to justice! The Grenfell Action Group believe that the KCTMO narrowly averted a major fire disaster at Grenfell Tower in 2013 when residents experienced a period of terrifying power surges that were subsequently found to have been caused by faulty wiring. We believe that our attempts to highlight the seriousness of this event were covered up by the KCTMO with the help of the RBKC Scrutiny Committee who refused to investigate the legitimate concerns of tenants and leaseholders.
We have blogged many times on the subject of fire safety at Grenfell Tower and we believe that these investigations will become part of damning evidence of the poor safety record of the KCTMO should a fire affect any other of their properties and cause the loss of life that we are predicting:

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/01/28/fire-safety-scandal-at-lancaster-west/

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/01/30/more-on-fire-safety/

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/02/21/another-fire-safety-scandal/

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2016/01/24/grenfell-tower-still-a-fire-risk/

In October 2015 a fire ripped through another KCTMO property, the 14 storey Adair Tower in North Kensington, causing mass panic and resulting in a number of residents taken to hospital suffering from smoke inhalation. It is reported that had it not been for the swift actions of the London Fire Brigade the consequences of this fire and potential loss of life could have been much worse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11967592/50-rescued-from-burning-flats-in-Kensington.html

In the aftermath of the Adair Tower fire the London Fire Brigade found that the KCTMO had not been looking after the safety of residents properly and issued an Enforcement Order compelling them to improve the fire safety in the escape staircases and to provide self closing devices to all the tower block’s front doors. A further audit by the London Fire Brigade of the neighbouring Hazelwood Tower (located alongside Adair Tower) found similar breaches of health and safety legislation and an Enforcement Order was also issued for this property forcing the TMO to address the serious concerns of the Fire Brigade’s inspectors. What is shocking is that a decade ago a fatality occurred due to a fire at Hazelwood Tower and the Fire Investigation Team ordered that the grills on the fire escape staircase be covered over. This never happened and it is believed that the uncovered grills at Adair House (Hazelwood Tower’s twin block) acted like a chimney and were responsible for the accelerated spread of the fire and smoke damage.

In the last twenty years and despite the terrifying power surge incident in 2013 and recent fire at Adair Tower, the residents of Grenfell Tower have received no proper fire safety instructions from the KCTMO. Residents were informed by a temporary notice stuck in the lift and one announcement in a recent regeneration newsletter that they should remain in their flats in the event of fire. There are not and never have been any instructions posted in the Grenfell Tower noticeboard or on individual floor as to how residents should act in event of a fire. Anyone who witnessed the recent tower block fire at Shepherds Court, in nearby Shepherd’s Bush, will know that the advice to remain in our properties would have led to certain fatalities and we are calling on our landlord to re-consider the advice that they have so badly circulated.

The Grenfell Action Group predict that it won’t be long before the words of this blog come back to haunt the KCTMO management and we will do everything in our power to ensure that those in authority know how long and how appallingly our landlord has ignored their responsibility to ensure the heath and safety of their tenants and leaseholders. They can’t say that they haven’t been warned!

Spiral

14th June 2017, 10:50

The fire spread really fast due to highly flammable plastic cladding newly fitted to the exterior....

One of the residents claims it started in a neighbours flat when his fridge "exploded" .... could that be due to an electrical surge as mention in the blog quote above ???

There have clearly been serious oversights & shortcuts with this tower block, there are some big questions to be answered !

Lifebringer

14th June 2017, 11:36

So its a corporate mini-mob hit? Is this the future to shake down city contracts, by putting instable materials or workers in charge of safety. These backyard mechanics in mob are usually family given and no skill, just game. AI hope all those souls lost haunt them to the end of their days. I looked at the building this morning from a news copter, and it looked like someone's arms were banging on the glass and they burned in place leaving a charred set of arms still there. Absolutely horrible and if it's an arsonist, may God deal with him or her accordingly.

Lifebringer

14th June 2017, 11:43

They used plastic on a high rise with only two exits and what happened to outside sprinklers if the plastic catches fire. That stuff drips hot like molten melting metal only liquified and sticks to the skin taking a long time to cool. I've worked with hot plastic in crafting at home. Not good. My daughter still has the scars at 39 trying to do something behind my back in my arts and craft room. 3rd degree, she pulled the plastic after running cold water over it, and it pulled a chunk of flesh out behind it. Oh my God. The realtors need to be held accountable. Let the relatives of those in the building GET ANSWERS ABOUT "just 2 exits and multiple warnings over the years.

indigopete

14th June 2017, 13:50

Not hit by a plane ?

Expect freefall collapse into its own footprint in 3...2...1...

conk

14th June 2017, 14:12

Human beings should not be living in conditions like that in the 21st century!!
:facepalm:
But, that is the goal of the controllers. Coral us into confined areas, total control. No growing our own food. Limited movement, trying to eliminate personal conveyance. They want limited ownership of land and property. Can't collect rain water, meters on private wells. It goes on and on. You know, you get it. Total control and surveillance.

Rhah

14th June 2017, 15:33

My god.. This is just horrible. Makes me cringe to even think about being trapped inside of that.

Any local news on the current status of this disaster?

Our national news outlets have reported that there are at least 6 casualties, but this was 4-5 hours ago so this number might have increased by now. They also said that the residents have complained about possible fire hazards in the past and even formed an action committee that accused KCTMO of criminal negligence last March. Some residents even said that they were advised to stay inside their apartments in case of a fire.

Eric J (Viking)

14th June 2017, 16:43

Cidersomerset

14th June 2017, 20:34

Its been speculated that an exploding fridge may have been the
cause but there are other questions to be answered....

Twelve dead after huge tower block fire

Summary

Met Police confirms 12 people have died at Grenfell Tower

The death toll 'will sadly increase', commander says

A total of 68 people taken to six hospitals, 18 in critical care

Theresa May promises 'proper investigation'

Forty fire engines, and around 200 firefighters tackle blaze; cause unknown

read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-40239008

A local has his idea of what happened...

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Published on 14 Jun 2017

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Lionel mulls over high rise fires...

Why Didn’t the Grenfell Towers Collapse After Burning for Over 12 Hours?

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Published on 14 Jun 2017

Setras

14th June 2017, 21:44

thoughts and prayers with all and a special thank you to people on the ground providing support and relief to residents who lost everything... Although not on here a big Special thankyou to Selina K (longtime friend who lives in Latimer Road) for organising clothing and food, and personally collecting and delivering to St Peters Church...

editd to remove full name

Spiral

14th June 2017, 22:56

When it's all over I bet the building is not replaced with social housing.....just saying

Odd how non of the relevant ministers or the PM could say anything to camera....jeez, even Tony Bliar would have said something appropriate...is that how bad it's got ?

Morbid

15th June 2017, 05:55

a fire alarm system compliant to L2 or even L3 spec could've prevented most injuries & deaths. staircase is wide enough to accomodate for all residents evacuating at once. being fire alarm systems engineer i constantly see fire alarms either in fire mode but with disabled sounders of full of faults and undermaintained. most see them as nuisance apart from when its needed the most.

Lancet

15th June 2017, 06:42

Brings to mind the economist cover page

Burning tower
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Atlas

15th June 2017, 08:08

Burning tower
How do you think you'll ever keep human beings in cages? just how (in what way or manner; by what means)?

Baby taking up too much room?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/24/article-2178140-1430FDD0000005DC-972_634x768.jpg
Try this solution from the 1930s... a window CAGE hanging in the air for your infant to crawl in (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2178140/Baby-taking-room-Try-solution-1930s--window-CAGE-hanging-air-infant-crawl-in.html)

Baby Steps

15th June 2017, 08:59

The nature of the scandal is, IMO, as follows:

Note Royal Borough of Kensington & Chelsea is one of, if not the, richest Borough in the country. Both the local authority & their income AND the residents.

A bit of back-ground.

British policy has since the war been to build these blocks in diverse locales rather than zoning , and thereby creating ghettos, as they do in France. The advantages being hopefully better social and educational opportunities for the occupants, plus the monied classes have access to cleaners and shop keepers. These blocks are well -built, mostly, and dotted all over the place.
The local pressure group flagged all kinds of safety issues , especially fire. There was a chronic lack of investment and good practice regarding this. But, strangely the local authority found £8.6 million for the cladding. Yes, cladding a building where there were well documented concerns about internal fire safety, including exits, alarms & sprinklers (or lack of).
So what was this huge investment about? There has been the suggestion that the cladding, described as insulation, is, in fact, primarily an aesthetic issue. I agree with this analysis. In the posh areas, one of the top subjects around the dinner table is house prices. These towers are seen as an eye sore. There is a programme nationally to improve the way they look, with cladding, painting and other updates. After the investment, they do look much nicer, and could possibly pass off as a swanky new office block!

Director of company which refurbished Grenfell Tower ‘hangs up’ on Piers Morgan

Jen Mills for Metro (http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/14/director-of-company-which-refurbished-grenfell-hangs-up-on-piers-morgan-6709287/).co.uk
Wednesday 14 Jun 2017 6:44 pm

A director of the company which refurbished Grenfell Tower appeared to hang up during an interview with Piers Morgan.
Andrew Goldman, responsible for technology and marketing at Rydon, appeared on Good Morning Britain where he was asked about insulation cladding which may have led to the deadly fire spreading so quickly.
At least 12 people have been confirmed dead with the toll expected to rise.
‘We know your company did the refurbishment only last year and added all this exterior cladding,’ Piers Morgan said.
‘Almost all witnesses said they saw the cladding basically firing up – bits of it were igniting before their very eyes.

‘There will be many other people living in buildings with this type of cladding who want to know what the hell has gone on.’
‘Can you tell us what the cladding was made of?’
Responding, Mr Goldman said he did not know exactly what the cladding was made of and said he didn’t want to speculate before investigations could determine the cause of the fire.
In a fraught exchange, Mr Morgan told him: ‘These aren’t very satisfactory answers.’
Susanna Reid then asked him: ‘Do you know if this cladding is used in other of your projects? There has been some speculation it was used on the school near the block.’
But at this point the interview cut off.
People watching jumped to the possibility he hung up, which was acknowledged by Piers Morgan when he said he had given him a ‘hard time’.
Earlier in the interview, Mr Goldman had said: ‘We don’t know that there’s any direct link between the fire and the cladding at this stage. We have to wait for the outcome of the inquiries.’
He said he didn’t want to speculate on anything and clarified ‘the main purpose of the cladding is for insulation and protection from the external elements’.
He said: ‘We are shocked by what’s happened, our thoughts go out to those affected.
‘We are working with everybody we need to work with to find out what went wrong.’
Earlier today, policing and fire Minister Nick Hurd responded to people’s concerns about the insulation which some claim could act as a ‘chimney’ for the flames to run up the exterior.
He said authorities will ‘seek to identify towers that might have a similar process of refurbishment, run a system of checks so that we can, as quickly as possible, give reassurance to people.’

A bit of gossip: huge amounts of drug dealer cash was there. Also there is 20kg of Gold on the 21st floor, I hope the owners advise the fire service!

indigopete

15th June 2017, 10:50

Apparently the press have been instructed to avoid comparisons with any other skyscraper fires an any account, so it's left to the people of the internet to do so.

https://s1.postimg.org/id1as976n/before_After.png

Spiral

15th June 2017, 16:21

What about this ?

Brexit, general election, Theresa May's position .....

http://www.darktarot.com/images/cards/801px/the_tower.pngThe Tower of the Tarot represents the punishment of arrogance.

It is an unfavorable card that announces failure due to one’s own presumption and arrogance.

We will face harsh punishment due to our lack of humility.

We have stirred up envy and animosity, due to our ostentatious success or our ambition, and someone will see to it that it works against us.

The card of The Tower can also be merely a warning: be careful not to boast about your success; do not be presumptuous or arrogant with others, otherwise you may be punished harshly.

Reversed Card

Extreme arrogance, ostentation, or ambition.

Extreme animosity from someone who will stop at nothing to put obstacles in your path.

Losses.

http://www.darktarot.com/tarot_cards/the_tower.php

avid

15th June 2017, 16:35

Is anyone going to come with weird dates, sacrificial timescales, et al, or any other nasty business in this negligent corporate atrocity?

happyuk

15th June 2017, 17:14

I can absolutely believe conversations about cladding around these tower blocks taking place around many smug superior dinner tables in that part of London. It all fits in with class obsession and obsession with house prices these people have. An unpleasant and hypocritical attitude that persists with the British to this day. To hell with what any stuck up Little Englander thinks.

amor

16th June 2017, 02:20

Eric J (Viking)

16th June 2017, 06:09

Somewhere above there was a mention of unskilled contractor workers and the installation of a GAS main. Could the gas leak have started the fire? People should not be housed on top of each other. This is GREED gone mad. Then, the cheaper the construction, the more unsafe, the more greedy business people are involved. What do lives matter to them? They are creaming money. Imagine the horror of being roasted to death or watching your children suffering the same. Were there landing platforms placed around the building for people to jump???? Were the windows unable to be opened? Does anyone know?

Yes on a deeper level capitalism has a lot to answer for. Time and time again we see corners cut for more profit and greed takes over.

Ultimately this will lead to exploitation of the poorer and less fortunate people. With the Capitalist mindset whichever route you take whether it's someone working 15 hours a day making toys for the masses or as we've seen here, it's all wrong....there are times when I hate this reality...

...oh joy for the play to end...

Viking

Cidersomerset

16th June 2017, 08:42

The PM has announced a public inquiry that will last for months if not years.
The raw emotion would have died down a bit apart from those involved or
connected. Hopefully it will not be swept under the carpet , and we have
seen from Hillsborough and other disasters that cover ups can be exposed.

In a upside down world where the current 'war on terror' meme has been
playing out for control and profit for the mil ind complex's , Banksters etc
since the fall of the Soviet union , and the mainstream has been their
mouth piece . Its a reminder that millions of people die every day from
old age , disease , accidents and tragedies and this highlights how
manipulated we are by the odd terrorist attack real or fake to control the
mass's. This has always gone on in one form or another.Mrs May is leading
the fight against the web and has been chipping away at it since she was
home secretary. An article suggest the Chinese have found a way to 'secure'
the web and put us all back into the control box it seems....This probably
should have its own thread.China's quantum satellite in big leap

It is all part of a push towards a new kind of internet that would be far more secure than the one we use now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-40294795

London fire: Tower victims 'may never be identified'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40298473

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Spiral

16th June 2017, 10:18

HUMANITY vs INSANITY # 94 : Grenfell Tower & Corporate Manslaughter

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Published on 16 Jun 2017

When former KCTMO Board Member (2008-2012) Emma Dent Coad was unexpectedly elected as the Labour MP for Kensington & Chelsea on 8th June 2017, she could never have forseen the tragic events which were about to befall her constituents or the focus of complicity now focussing upon her former colleagues on the KCTMO Board ... now she must take centre stage in ensuring that those responsible are brought to justice!

Sunny-side-up

16th June 2017, 11:07

A very sad disaster indeed, Love and healing energy to all concerned.

As soon as it was classed to be a 'Public inquiry' it became an attempted cover-up in my book. Public means it will be controlled by the Government, and therefore the public will have no real say in the proceedings and will be hushed out of it.

It should be 'Inquiries'. These are faster and the public can get deeply involved plus they would be faster than the Public Inquiry and so not forgotten over long time.

On a paranoid side note:
One thing I would like to know is, was there any body living in those flats that were/are on the 'possible terrorist watch list'?
If so are they now missing?

Verdilac

16th June 2017, 18:04

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Mrs May is leading
the fight against the web and has been chipping away at it since she was
home secretary. An article suggest the Chinese have found a way to 'secure'
the web and put us all back into the control box it seems....This probably
should have its own thread.China's quantum satellite in big leap

It is all part of a push towards a new kind of internet that would be far more secure than the one we use now.

You don't have to take an article's suggestion regarding a controlled internet in China.
Its true, I've been there and tasted it 1st hand.

The list of websites that aren't available is unbelievable, and then what really gets your attention is when you log into your email accounts and they are already in there surveying your sent messages etc, its truly shocking how blatant they seem to be about this kind of thing.

If this is what May has planned with her controlled web approach, I'm afraid most people would probably only use the internet in a very limited manner, many just to order or buy things.

I've no doubt we would still be discussing things like this shocking incident on a limited internet but our reference points and availability to data that is outside the official narrative maybe greatly reduced.

Back to topic.

Below is an interview with a young man that lives in the area,(I must warn you that he does swear) What he says from 0.40/0.44 onwards is very interesting, there were excluded sections that residents weren't allowed into !

I would like to hear more interviews with local residents that aren't cut midstream by the media, as the true picture seems to different to what is being pushed here. It can be argued that there are different points of view, but things seem to be moving past that point quite quickly, and now with the media's covering up of the gas main that was allegedly fitted along with the possible flammable insulation behind the plastic tiles.
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Cidersomerset

16th June 2017, 18:42

You don't have to take an article's suggestion regarding a controlled internet in China.
Its true, I've been there and tasted it 1st hand.

I know 'The Great Fire Wall of China' , I was highlighting the fact Mrs May has
been trying to do the same here for some time and other countries will probably
follow suit. Starting with terror , cyber and other crimes to justify 'big Bro/Sis'
protecting you and getting control back which has been contradicting mainstream
news on many topics for the past two decades.

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A couple of Ritchie Allen vids about the social conditions and other local aspects of
the area in the wake of the fire....One of the local issues is lack of housing and the
suspicions that with land at a premium in the capital social housing is a target
for speculators to sell off for more lucrative housing developments.

Musician Peaky Saku, On What The Media Won't Tell You About The Grenfell Tower Fire.

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Published on 15 Jun 2017

Grenfell Tower, The Clinical Extermination Of The Poor, Gentrification & The Depopulation Agenda.

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Published on 16 Jun 2017
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Cidersomerset

16th June 2017, 21:37

There have been many vids on U'tube asking the same question again after
a high rise fire has gutted a building without it collapsing. At this stage
it looks like a 'accident waiting to happen', but this is one of the more
simpler vids asking the question. No doubt there will be technical reasons
why it did not collapse , not hot enough? better materials ? no thermite ?
but it always coincidental that these events happen in the mainstream.

Grenfell Tower And Building 7's Collapse on 911

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Published on 15 Jun 2017

The tragic Grenfell Tower incident is another example showing that fires do not
bring down steel frame buildings

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Why Didn't The Grenfell Tower Collapse?

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Published on 14 Jun 2017

Spiral

16th June 2017, 22:00

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Why Didn't The Grenfell Tower Collapse?

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Published on 14 Jun 2017

I would like to point out that the three towers that collapsed on the 11th of Sept 2001 were not anything to do wit "thermite", granted WT7 was rigged to blow but the twin towers were something else, have you not read "Where did the towers go" by material scientist Dr Judy wood ??

http://drjudywood.com/

http://wheredidthetowersgo.com/buy/

The science proves they were not demolished in anything like an explainable manner, the seismic readings & the tiny amount of debris is are ridiculous...and then there are the strange cold fires that burnt out vehicles

Spindoctor

17th June 2017, 00:03

We had a spectacular hi rise fire in Melbourne last year where this cladding was used and authorities immediately demanded the removal of all cladding supplied by the manufacturer on other buildings.. one would have thought warnings on the flammable material used would have gone worldwide to government building inspection bodies, architects, building companies etc etc.

Cidersomerset

17th June 2017, 04:29

I would like to point out that the three towers that collapsed on the 11th of
Sept 2001 were not anything to do wit "thermite", granted WT7 was rigged to blow
but the twin towers were something else, have you not read "Where did the towers
go" by material scientist Dr Judy wood ??

Two of the main alternate theories are by Richard Gage and Architects for 9/11 truth
and Dr.Judy Wood , there are others like mini nuke , but the official one is still
difficult to believe from start to finish.

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1 DAY BEFORE 911 WTC Attacks, An Amazing Thing Happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_p92dECEpQ

Without going to far on this subject I and others have posted many threads on 9/11
anomalies and the post above is just to highlight again how the web is leading
these sort of questions , and how the authorities who ignored it are now trying to
silence free thought by calling it fake and dangerous.

"Where Did The Towers Go?" - Dr Judy Wood in the UK....Sky 200 TV with Theo Chalmers.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41614-Where-Did-The-Towers-Go-Dr-Judy-Wood-in-the-UK....Sky-200-TV-with-Theo-Chalmers.&highlight=Judy+Wood

9/11 Suspects:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93118-9-11-Suspects-Rudy-Giuliani&highlight=judy+wood+towers

Star Tsar

17th June 2017, 05:23

What do you make of this?

Check this out! From The Fire In London On the 14th

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Cidersomerset

17th June 2017, 16:42

Lily Allen: 'Hope will turn to anger' following London Tower fire

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Published on 16 Jun 2017
Lily Allen, musician and local resident, gives her view on the aftermath of the
West London Grenfell Tower fire, saying “Once these people’s hope turns to
anger, they’ve got a real problem on their hands.”The council has said they’re
“helping those affected”.

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London fire: 58 missing, presumed dead - police

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40315194

Spiral

17th June 2017, 16:59

The council has said they’re “helping those affected”.

Not according to the BBC, they said that there is no signs of any such activity, all help is coming from the community it's self....& there are still people sleeping on floors !

Baby Steps

17th June 2017, 22:54

The following from Musa Qurishi, a Doctor. It appears that this event is going to have a very big impact:

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TELL CORBYN THAT THE REVOLUTION IS GOING TO START IN KENSINGTON

We in the NHS struggled valiantly in the #GrenfellTowerFire but we feel like we R continuously fighting a battle to save patients from a Government and a system which doesn't care about their lives. Recent tragic events require us to make a change.

Everybody needs to visit Ground Zero at #GrenfellTower, and pay their respects. Please go this weekend if you can, look at the evening candles burning outside churches with photographs of the missing children, talk to locals, stand in horror before the Tower itself, and take a moment to think about what happened in that building just a few days ago. Take more than a moment.

Today I went to volunteer in St Clement’s Church but instead found myself joining in a spontaneous hugely energetic small demo which marched from the site of the tragedy towards Kensington & Chelsea Town Hall. By the time we reached the Town Hall, it was quite a large demo. Many powerful speakers spoke of their personal loss.

I learned a few things today.

1. I learned that areas of Kensington are very deprived. Walking around Latimer Road tube station, I realised that the council flats there did not fit my conception of Kensington. The juxtaposition of poverty with some of the wealthiest people in the world was striking. I realised within 5 minutes that this was a focus of social friction which could easily flare up.

2. I was told by local residents that there were gas pipes running up the staircase, this caught fire, and the majority of people fleeing down the only staircase perished. I was told that there are not 10 dead, not 17 dead, not 30 dead, but hundreds dead, and their bodies had been seen by the police and firemen. However, the media are not permitted to report the true numbers.

3. I was told that the residents of #GrenfellTower had expressed their concerns re safety on a website but had been threatened with legal action for this. They were mostly refugees and working class, therefore unable to pay a lawyer, and had to back down because of the legal threat.

4. I learned that the local residents are very angry, but I did not see a single act of violence or even injustice. This was not a mob. This was a very wounded pained community of decent working class people who have experienced massive trauma and death, and want answers. They include all ethnicities and all religions, united by their common loss.

5. I learned that this community is fully aware of the scale of the tragedy, and is absolutely determined to call to account those responsible, whether in central or local government or whether in the corporation which managed #GrenfellTower, or whoever that may be. They are highly intelligent, motivated and united in grief and determination. They are aware of Hillsborough and know what is likely coming their way. But their children have died in large numbers and they will not be defeated.

I believe that the terrible tragedy of #GrenfellTower has the potential to reach the national consciousness and remove the Conservatives from power within a month from now. I hope and pray that they will achieve this. We activists from all fields (nurses, doctors, Stop the War, teachers, everyone) need to work with them to call those responsible to account. Our government has been quietly killing NHS patients with austerity for years now (see Oxford University study which showed excess 30,000 deaths due to austerity in 2015), but this act of horror needs to be a wake-up call for all of us. Corporate greed cannot be allowed to burn our children and babies to death.

Cidersomerset

18th June 2017, 07:42

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TELL CORBYN THAT THE REVOLUTION IS GOING TO START IN KENSINGTON

He may have a clue already as Kennington a conservative stronghold
was edged by Labour , maybe all these empty rich buildings are catching
up with them....

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Labour wins Kensington by just 20 votes in historic moment - meaning Kate and
Wills now live in 'Red Ken'

The third recount was delayed until this evening as the tellers were "too tired" in
this early hours of this morning

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-wins-kensington-last-seat-10595338

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‘May must go’: Protest in London over Grenfell Tower response & DUP deal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K7ziKPtWQQ

Published on 17 Jun 2017
Thousands of demonstrators gathered outside Downing Street in central London on
Saturday to rally against the alliance of Theresa May’s government with Northern
Ireland’s hardline DUP.

Snoweagle

18th June 2017, 17:52

Cidersomerset

19th June 2017, 11:27

Death toll still rising.....

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Grenfell Tower fire: Seventy-nine people feared dead

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Police have released images of the inside of flats where the occupants have been accounted for

Seventy-nine people are either dead or missing presumed dead after the fire
at Grenfell Tower, police have said.

Met Police Commander Stuart Cundy confirmed the figure in a statement on
Monday, adding it may still change.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40327357

avid

19th June 2017, 12:07

Hundreds dead, 'off the record' reports from firemen and police says three tents full of body bags, and bodies piled everywhere in block. Of course, identification could take months. If one jumped to avoid fire, it's not classed as a death by fire, but by one's own hand. Therefore 'death by fire' figures would be less than reality... The whole business reeks of 'cover-up'.
Relocations being offered up to hundreds of miles away, if refused, these folk are classed as 'deliberately homeless'.
Prime real estate is becoming more important than lives.

Flash

19th June 2017, 12:14

My thoughts and prayers to all those effected by this tragedy.

Some call it murder. It is hard to argue that claim.

Most revealing and of continued concern is the instructions by the Fire Brigade to the Grenfell Residents to "return to your homes". DURING A BUILDING FIRE!

To all my Avalon friends and otherwise, you ALWAYS EVACUATE FROM A BUILDING IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE! there are NO EXCEPTIONS. EVER.

Yes, you are right

One woman I met was in one of the twin towers in NY when hell broke loose. She told me the security personnel on her floor were trying to direct trafic towards the stairs and have people wait their turn. She was so afraid that she pushed her luck and got into the elevator when the door opened, despite the security people, and she finally reached the street floor, it was the last elevator to make it and nobody got out of the stairways from her floor.

When in a fire, get out without tramping others.

I personally always check the exits locations when in hotels or airplanes, and count the number of steps to get there (in case I would be blinded by smoke - or if there were terrorism).

My thought to those who died and their families

Cidersomerset

19th June 2017, 13:10

London Fire: 79 people presumed dead in Grenfell Tower fire- BBC News

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Published on 19 Jun 2017

79 people presumed dead in Grenfell Tower fire, police confirm; five have been formally identified

Spiral

19th June 2017, 13:42

Cidersomerset

19th June 2017, 13:50

How the hell are they supposed to find remains in that ?
Most victims must be little more than dust ?

That's what the locals are saying the death toll could be much higher....

Eric J (Viking)

19th June 2017, 13:55

How the hell are they supposed to find remains in that ?
Most victims must be little more than dust ?

That's what the locals are saying the death toll could be much higher....

Much higher according to this lady... 500.... !

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=77587

Viking

Spiral

19th June 2017, 14:11

Baby Steps

19th June 2017, 15:35

How the hell are they supposed to find remains in that ?
Most victims must be little more than dust ?

That's what the locals are saying the death toll could be much higher....

Interesting how they are playing it down whilst at the same time exaggerating about the nutter who ran over some Muslims on Sat night, it's like anything can be what ever they want it to be these days....

The community should mobilise to compile a list of their own - of the missing and confirmed dead. Why not use social media, it may help find some that are still alive but out of touch/in hospital etc.

Someone local should set up an email & facebook page etc.

NUMBERS OF DEAD is, sadly , now becoming politicised.(Mainstream media still playing this down)

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Cidersomerset

19th June 2017, 18:24

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‘Fears of a Grenfell Tower cover-up has led to calls for raids to take place on
businesses and authorities at the centre of the investigation into the deadly inferno.

The Prime Minister and the Metropolitan Police have been urged to seize any
potentially-incriminating evidence before it can be destroyed.

Council chiefs and building firms could face manslaughter charges over the disaster,
in which at least 58 have been killed.

Labour MP David Lammy demanded urgent action, claiming contractors were expunging
details of their work on the tower from their websites.’

Read more: Fears of a Grenfell Tower cover-up as Labour MP who lost artist friend urges
police to carry out raids to stop firms and councils from destroying evidence

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4616482/Fears-Grenfell-Tower-cover-calls-raids.html

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INDEPENDENT......

Two women feared dead in Grenfell Tower were 'threatened with legal action' after
questioning fire safety

‘They bullied them and persecuted those like Nadia and Mariem who were brave
enough to speak out, branding them troublemakers’
Samuel Osborne |
@SamuelOsborne93 |
2 hours ago|

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MIRROR ON LINE.....

"Nobody on top three floors survived": Fears for 'possibly hundreds missing' in
Grenfell fire as police confirm at least 12 dead

The fire, which broke out at around 1am, engulfed almost every floor from the 2nd
to the 24th of the high-rise tower block in north Kensington, west London

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King Arthur

19th June 2017, 18:48

Colour me paranoid but in view of that cover-up over the numbers killed, I'm rather suspicious that this fire may have been another Satanic ritual sacrifice.

norman

19th June 2017, 19:15

The maths should be pretty simple really. How many people were in the building, how many got out alive.

Cidersomerset

19th June 2017, 19:27

Video from inside devastating tower inferno released

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Published on 19 Jun 2017

Authorities continue to investigate deadly fire in London

Ruby L.

20th June 2017, 08:38

The maths should be pretty simple really. How many people were in the building, how many got out alive.

Unfortunately, not as simple, Norman. There seems to have been quite a number of unregistered people living in the towers, as well; some residents of the Grenfell rented rooms out to illegal immigrants. The number of those perished is believed to be nearer 150.

Cidersomerset

20th June 2017, 15:31

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London fire: Grenfell patients face 'months' of recovery

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Some patients being treated after the Grenfell Tower fire
have weeks and possibly months of recovery ahead of
them, a doctor treating them has said.

Fourteen people are in hospital - eight receiving critical care
and some in induced comas - NHS England has said.

King's College Hospital Clinical Director Duncan Bew said
hundreds of patients had been expected but did not arrive,
adding: "It was very sad."

The west London tower fire left 79 people dead, or missing
presumed dead.Around £200,000 of a £5m emergency fund
has so far been given to families affected by last Tuesday's
fire, it has emerged.Some 180 families directly affected by
the blaze had received money, the Grenfell Response Team
said on Monday.

reead more...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40343897

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Grenfell Tower: Hero firefighters cry during minute's silence

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Cidersomerset

20th June 2017, 18:04

Tower block fire: The firefighter's story

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Published on 16 Jun 2017

The firefighters and emergency teams who risked their own lives to try and
save those trapped inside the burning Grenfell Tower block were nothing
short of heroic and courageous.

One of them was Damian Magee from Whitechapel Fire Station's Red Watch.
They got the call to attend the Grenfell blaze in the early hours of Wednesday.

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Tower block fire: Search for the victims

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London fire brigade has warned that it could be weeks before the search of west
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London tower block fire: What went wrong at Grenfell Tower?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-Er5eVMvQc

Published on 14 Jun 2017
Investigators are trying to establish how a fire in a London tower block was able to
spread so aggressively and so fast.A renovation of the building was completed in
2016. Cosmetic cladding was added to the outside, with some experts suggesting it
could have acted as an accelerant.

Cidersomerset

22nd June 2017, 21:07

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Grenfell Tower: Eleven high rises 'fail fire-risk tests'

16 minutes ago
From the section UK

Eleven residential high-rise buildings in eight local authority areas have been
found to be covered in combustible cladding following safety tests.

It comes as tests are being carried out on about 600 high rises across England.

Meanwhile, the BBC has learned that Premier Inn is "extremely concerned"
about cladding on three of its hotels.

read more...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40366646

Cidersomerset

23rd June 2017, 09:49

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Grenfell Tower blaze began with fridge fire

2 minutes ago
From the section UK

Grenfell Tower blaze in London started with fridge fire and outside cladding
failed safety test, police say

This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published
shortly. Please refresh the page for the fullest version

read more..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40380584

Cidersomerset

23rd June 2017, 12:51

Grenfell Tower: Hotpoint fridge freezer started fire- BBC News

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Published on 23 Jun 2017

The Grenfell Tower fire in London started in a fridge freezer, and outside cladding failed safety tests, police say.
Insulation on the building also failed tests and the Metropolitan Police will consider manslaughter charges.
Seventy-nine people are missing or presumed dead after the blaze destroyed 150 homes in the Kensington tower block.
Police confirmed the fire had not been started deliberately.

Det Sup Fiona McCormack said she wanted to hear about anyone who was in the tower, whether or not they were
meant to be in the building.She said: "I do not want there to be any victims of this tragedy that we do not know about.

Cidersomerset

24th June 2017, 09:01

Frankie is an acquired taste but has a grounded view of the world and is a sort
of Scottish George Carling with more attitude.....I watched his BBC 2 last week and
he openly led a item about Saudi as the guys who brought us 9/11, which was a
brazen statement for the audience to digest....

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Owen Jones meets Frankie Boyle | 'Grenfell Tower residents were treated as less than human'

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Published on 23 Jun 2017
Frankie Boyle tells me he believes there’s ‘a connection between a Conservative government that
wants to get rid of human rights legislation’ and the residents of Grenfell Tower ‘being treated as
less than human’. He thinks a series of decisions show that the pursuit of profit was more important
than fire safety, which he describes as 'deeply immoral'.

We also talked about Theresa May's woeful performance in the 2017 general election but why simply
replacing her with a new 'broken sociopath' is not an adequate solution, why trust in the media is so
low and the modern tendencies for faux outrage and judgmental moralising.

Cidersomerset

24th June 2017, 16:41

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Cladding fire tests failed by 27 high-rise blocks

26 minutes ago
From the section UK

Cladding on 27 tower blocks in 15 council areas in England has failed fire safety tests,
the government says.This comes after Camden Council became the first authority to
evacuate residents over fire safety concerns, asking people living in four high-rise
buildings to leave late on Friday.The council said it had no option but to move residents
of 650 flats on the Chalcots estate while work takes place.

Theresa May said "necessary" steps will be taken to find people accommodation.

read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40391395

Eric J (Viking)

24th June 2017, 19:25

Pure Co-incidence?
"The Grenfell Tower insurance was changed 3 months before the fire. Now paying out the biggest payout of 1 BILLION pounds. Sounds a bit like to 9/11?"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AulVLH3sZ5s

Viking

sunwings

25th June 2017, 16:17

Grenfell Tower disaster parallels in House of Cards, 1993.

The points are made in general, but I found the arguments around social injustice, and the nature of the cause of the tragedy - a gas explosion in a run-down tower block - particularly chilling. Especially uncanny are the details of the degraded state of public housing, and even the specific points that a small fire on the fourth floor began the blaze.

https://vimeo.com/222034879

Cidersomerset

25th June 2017, 17:52

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More high-rises fail fire safety tests

33 minutes ago
From the section UK

Cladding on 60 high-rise buildings across 25 local authority areas in
England has failed fire safety tests, the government has said.
Tests are taking place on the fire resistance of cladding on up to 600
buildings following the Grenfell Tower fire in North Kensington on 14 June.
The Department for Communities and Local Government said all buildings
so far had failed the test.Councils were told to prioritise buildings they
had most concern over.Not all the buildings affected have so far been
named but a list from the DCLG identifies 14 of the areas:

read more...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40397790

Cidersomerset

26th June 2017, 22:48

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Grenfell Tower: Cladding firm ends global sales for tower blocks

The US firm that supplied cladding used on London's Grenfell Tower says
it has ended global sales of the product for use in high-rise blocks.

Arconic said it was discontinuing sales of Reynobond PE for tower blocks due
to "issues" identified by the fire, which is feared to have killed at least 79.

The government said 75 buildings in 26 council areas had now failed fire safety
tests - every one tested so far.

Theresa May said councils need to speed up tower block safety tests in England.

Communities and Local Government Secretary Sajid Javid said all hospitals and
schools had also been asked to carry out "immediate checks".

read more...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40409981

Spiral

26th June 2017, 22:53

The US firm that supplied cladding used on London's Grenfell Tower says
it has ended global sales of the product for use in high-rise blocks.

Archontic said it was discontinuing sales of Reynobond PE for tower blocks

US firm ? Why am I not surprised ?

Yes I tweeked the name of the firm, might make peeps think eh ?

Cidersomerset

26th June 2017, 23:05

US firm ? Why am I not surprised ?

Yeah made in the US is a little worrying these days
according to the official story....

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Grenfell Tower fire: Theresa May calls for cladding investigation

2 hours ago

There should be a "major national investigation" into the use of cladding on high-
rise towers, Theresa May says.

It comes as it was revealed cladding from 95 towers in 32 local authority areas in
England had failed fire safety tests - all of the samples submitted so far since the
Grenfell Tower fire.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40415075

ceetee9

28th June 2017, 14:12

Yet despite being totally engulfed in flames and burning for more than 24 hours, the tower still stands. Must be those three pesky WTC towers were just very unlucky.

Cidersomerset

28th June 2017, 16:27

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No final Grenfell Tower death toll 'this year'

1 hour ago

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The final Grenfell Tower fire toll will not be known until at least the
end of the year, with 80 people currently presumed dead, police say.

The vast majority of those who died were said to be in 23 of the North
Kensington building's 129 flats.The 14 June fire destroyed 151 homes,
most in the tower block, but also a number of surrounding properties.

Read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40434741

Carmody

28th June 2017, 16:57

Yet despite being totally engulfed in flames and burning for more than 24 hours, the tower still stands. Must be those three pesky WTC towers were just very unlucky.

the one thing that really sticks out is the entire building complex was filled with Asbestos insulation, it was everywhere.

the cost of the removal of the asbestos was worth more than the buildings or the property could and would ever be.

By all environmental and safely law, and regulations, combined with costs of all kinds that might occur....the property was worth negative $2-3billion. With resale of the given new buildings that would be on it. Best case scenario.

No-one would touch those buildings. No one.

A total black hole that would kill the fortunes of any given billionaire who wold dare to to take on the building complex, even if for free.

This is the part that really needs to be made clear to people, as a starting point in any investigations.

The removal of the asbestos was legally mandated and had to go forward. Inch by inch, room by room, for the entire wtc complex.

Who was going to foot the multi-billion dollar bill cost for it?

Somehow, out of the blue...Silverstein buys the complex... and insures it for billions, right away.

Then, it almost immediately goes down and he gets a payout, and no one has to deal with the incredible amounts of ultra fine asbestos dust ..asbestos dust...that completely engulfs that part of Manhattan. And will eventually be the cause of death for thousands.

win win win. This is how you know it is the hidden hand. They get what they want from a single act/event, and they get it from multiple directions which are all passing through the given single event.

ceetee9

28th June 2017, 17:51

...
Then, it almost immediately goes down and he gets a payout, and no one has to deal with the incredible amounts of ultra fine asbestos dust ..asbestos dust...that completely engulfs that part of Manhattan. And will eventually be the cause of death for thousands.

win win win. This is how you know it is the hidden hand. They get what they want from a single act/event, and they get it from multiple directions which are all passing through the given single event.Absolutely! And they got to tighten the screws on American rights and freedoms ushering in a Fascist police state with the "Patriot Act" (which amazingly they wrote and passed into law within weeks of 9/11--nothing suspicious there), Homeland Security Act, Stellar Wind (surveillance of all US citizens), TSA (groping grandmas and children and all the rest of us potential terrorists), toppling the Iraqi government (that wasn't involved at all), and killing millions of Muslims and thousands of our soldiers while sucking more than $3.5 trillion dollars from the taxpayers to grow the ever expanding military industrial complex to support all these wars and conflicts since 9/11.

Snoweagle

29th June 2017, 06:51

And whilst the population focuses on this disaster and the likelihood of repeats around the country, the BRITISH Government is advertising it's willingness to go to war with Russia.

And the people are not paying attention.

Israel, the US and UK are warning about further uses of Sarin gas or other biological agent discharges in Syria to accuse Assad of genocide of his own people. And they are the culprits themselves.

The US medical system has been destroyed.
The UK medical system has been destroyed.

Israel is safe. Because it's the Rothschilds jewel.

And its playing out before our very eyes.

Cidersomerset

29th June 2017, 18:44

And whilst the population focuses on this disaster and the likelihood of
repeats around the country, the BRITISH Government is advertising it's willingness
to go to war with Russia

War is one of the best distractions for governments with internal difficulties...

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Grenfell Tower fire: Judge 'doubt' over inquiry scope

3 minutes ago

The retired judge heading the inquiry into the Grenfell Tower fire says he
is "doubtful" the process will be as wide-ranging as some residents hope.

Sir Martin Moore-Bick said the probe could be limited to the cause, how it
spread, and preventing a future blaze.He was speaking after travelling to
the site of the fire in North Kensington and meeting some of the survivors.

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London fire: Why don't we know how many died in Grenfell Tower?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40445069

Cidersomerset

30th June 2017, 06:13

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Grenfell Tower: Cladding 'changed to cheaper version'

By Tom Symonds and Daniel De Simone
BBC News

Cladding fitted to Grenfell Tower during its refurbishment was changed
to a cheaper version, documents obtained by the BBC suggest.

Documents show the aluminium cladding was less fire-resistant than zinc,
thereby saving nearly £300,000.

The cladding - fitted as part of the refurbishment of the west London
tower - is thought to have contributed to the fire that killed at least 80 people.

There is no suggestion a deliberate decision was made to cut fire safety.

read more
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40453054

Morbid

30th June 2017, 06:22

i wonder what would happen to the building itself?

Cidersomerset

3rd July 2017, 19:15

i wonder what would happen to the building itself?

I expect it will be demolished , whether the land will be used for
more housing or a memorial or both we will have to wait and see.

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Grenfell fire: Chairman prepared to hold 'very broad' inquiry

The Grenfell Tower public inquiry chairman is prepared to be "very broad"
when looking at the causes of the fire, a senior source has told the BBC.

Sir Martin Moore-Bick's inquiry will "go right back to the construction of the
tower" in the 1970s to examine warnings that may have been missed.

read more...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40486532

onawah

3rd July 2017, 20:18

According to Simon Parkes' sources, it's the same kind of scenario--the buildings were re-insured just before the fire.
11 minutes in here:
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https://www.simonparkes.org/single-post/2017/06/29/Grenfell-Tower-Victims

Grenfell Tower Victims
Thursday, June 29, 2017
The head of the British metropolitan police force in London has said that no total figures for the dead will be known from the Grenfell Tower fire until the end of the year or possibly after Christmas.
This is nonsense - The government knows broadly how many families were living there.
I have been told in private that the true death toll is in between 300 and 500 !!!
The government fearing a civil revolution has suppressed the true death toll to save its own skin - Shameful and shocking !

Yet despite being totally engulfed in flames and burning for more than 24 hours, the tower still stands. Must be those three pesky WTC towers were just very unlucky.

the one thing that really sticks out is the entire building complex was filled with Asbestos insulation, it was everywhere.

the cost of the removal of the asbestos was worth more than the buildings or the property could and would ever be.

By all environmental and safely law, and regulations, combined with costs of all kinds that might occur....the property was worth negative $2-3billion. With resale of the given new buildings that would be on it. Best case scenario.

No-one would touch those buildings. No one.

A total black hole that would kill the fortunes of any given billionaire who wold dare to to take on the building complex, even if for free.

This is the part that really needs to be made clear to people, as a starting point in any investigations.

The removal of the asbestos was legally mandated and had to go forward. Inch by inch, room by room, for the entire wtc complex.

Who was going to foot the multi-billion dollar bill cost for it?

Somehow, out of the blue...Silverstein buys the complex... and insures it for billions, right away.

Then, it almost immediately goes down and he gets a payout, and no one has to deal with the incredible amounts of ultra fine asbestos dust ..asbestos dust...that completely engulfs that part of Manhattan. And will eventually be the cause of death for thousands.

win win win. This is how you know it is the hidden hand. They get what they want from a single act/event, and they get it from multiple directions which are all passing through the given single event.

Cidersomerset

7th July 2017, 22:00

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Grenfell firefighters 'hampered by equipment'

By John Sweeney and James Clayton
BBC Newsnight

A series of failings that hampered the efforts of firefighters to tackle the
Grenfell Tower fire and rescue the building's residents have been identified
by a BBC investigation.

read more..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40535417

Cidersomerset

8th July 2017, 18:39

Grenfell Tower: The failings no firefighter could overcome - Full BBC Newsnight report

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Published on 7 Jul 2017

John Sweeney pieces together a picture of the battle to fight the Grenfell Tower fire,
using anonymous first-hand accounts and newly-obtained documents. His report
contains strong language throughout.

Cidersomerset

27th July 2017, 18:32

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Grenfell Tower: Corporate manslaughter considered by police

Police investigating the Grenfell Tower fire say they have "reasonable grounds"
to suspect that corporate manslaughter offences may have been committed.

The council and tenant management organisation which ran the London tower
block have both been told there are grounds to suspect they may have committed
the offence.

It emerged in a letter from the Met Police to residents of the block.

At least 80 people died in the fire in North Kensington on 14 June.

read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40747241