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AutumnW
15th June 2017, 16:54
This thread is devoted to discussion about the private prison industry and its abuses. Please feel free to post articles and comments about the implications for race relations.

Also discuss the implications for someone with a criminal record, employment wise after they have served time.

For those who are not confronted with these issues on a daily basis, it might be an eye opener.

Nasu
15th June 2017, 17:06
Whats your opinion, thoughts on the subject?...x... N

Baby Steps
15th June 2017, 17:17
The following brief discussion describes the US system from a British perspective.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUyZkwSDar0

It looks like a racket according to the following Forbes article (https://www.forbes.com/sites/walterpavlo/2011/08/12/pennsylvania-judge-gets-life-sentence-for-prison-kickback-scheme/#34f6cc944aef):


Pennsylvania Judge Gets 'Life Sentence' For Prison Kickback
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Former Luzerne County (Pennsylvania) Judge Mark Ciavarella has been spending his time doing odd jobs for a car towing service while awaiting sentencing since being found guilty on felony corruption charges. His car towing days are over, and the 61-year-old judge is heading to federal prison for 28 years -- this could amount to a life sentence.
His sentence brings to closure a dark time in the history of the city of Wilkes-Barre, PA, which is in Luzerne County. He was found guilty in February of racketeering for taking a $1 million kickback from the builder of for-profit prisons for juveniles. Ciavarella who left the bench over two years ago after he and another judge, Michael Conahan, were accused of sentencing youngsters to prisons they had a hand in building. Prosecutors alleged that Conahan, who pleaded guilty last year and is awaiting sentencing, and Ciavarella received kick-backs from the private company that built and maintained the new youth detention facility that replaced the older county-run center.
Ciavarella, who presided over juvenile court, sent kids to juvenile detention for crimes such as possession of drug paraphernalia, stealing a jar of nutmeg and posting web page spoofs about an assistant principal (3 months of hard time). Some of those sentenced were as young as 10 years old. A mother of one of those sentenced by judge Caivarella lashed out at him after the guilty verdict. Sandy Fonzo's son, Edward, was a promising young athlete in high school when at the age of 17 he found himself in front of judge Caivarella for possession of drug paraphernalia. With no prior convictions, the judge sentenced Edward to months in private prisons and a wilderness camp...he missed his entire senior year in high school. Edward never recovered from the experience according to his mother and in June 2010 he took his own life at the age of 23.
Ciavarella acknowledged in a recent interview with a Wilkes-Barre investigative reporter (Joe Holden of WBRE) that he made mistakes relating to not filing accurate tax returns but that he never sentenced a child to prison when it was not warranted. Ciavarella, who testified in his own defense at trial, said as much to the jury....and the jury did not buy it.

It appears that there are growing numbers imprisoned for minor felonies:

http://i.imgur.com/68wULmF.jpg

It appears that many of the drug felonies are very trivial:

http://i.imgur.com/MhAvcbK.gif

The liberalisation of Marijuana laws is proceeding as the science supports (https://www.econ.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/yablon_daniel.pdf) it.

I am sure Jeff Sessions (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/science-calls-out-jeff-sessions-on-medical-marijuana-and-the-historic-drug-epidemic/) is doing good work in some areas, but on this topic, he is in the bonkers category. Of course, it is not because he is bonkers. Just crony money making him do bonkers things. Maybe he had to do a deal. One cannot judge political processes when looking in from the outside...

Hervé
15th June 2017, 17:19
Previously expressed thoughts on the subject:

The Secret Music Industry Meeting That Changed Rap Music (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45105-The-Secret-Music-Industry-Meeting-That-Changed-Rap-Music)

Incarceration as a form of vengeance (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46424-Incarceration-as-a-form-of-vengeance)

No country incarcerates a higher percentage of its population than the United States. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67097-No-country-incarcerates-a-higher-percentage-of-its-population-than-the-United-States.)

Cardillac
15th June 2017, 17:27
because the prison system has been privatized (the more people incarcerated the more investors earn) is the reason why rap/pop music condones/encourages violent behavior; rap/pop music is the aural opium of the young; influence their minds to condone/accept violent behavior and there we have it; if they follow the melody/script and act upon it they will land in jail; exactly as intended-

the music industry is an extremely successful propaganda machine; has always worked like a charm-

if one has any questions about this subject please go to www.vigilantcitizen for many details about many things-

be well all-

Larry

AutumnW
15th June 2017, 18:08
Thanks SO much for helping to deflect energy away from the divisive PC stupidity and onto some real world problems. It was Bill Clinton who passed the three strikes law and who did nothing to decriminalize marijuana.

Ultimately, nearly all of the current abuses happening on a very large scale, are not problems of left versus right, or black versus white. It is a display of extreme contempt for the poor that happened after Detroit and the manufacturing base was gutted.

I anticipate that unless the private prison industry is curtailed, the poor (useless eaters, according to the elite) will continue to be funnelled into a system where they churn out cheap products. And the real, 'bringing jobs home,' meme will hopefully be seen for what it is.

Nasu
15th June 2017, 21:03
Clearly as businesses they have a vested interest in attracting and keeping as many offenders as possible for their services, so called. One of the most insidious aspects is that in the fine print of the agreements made between the prison "companies" and the states that outsource their services, are occupancy clauses.

In some cases these clauses require 70-80% occupancy or by the letter of the agreement they can charge the state for the lost revenue. So therefore both the prisons and the courts have a vested interest in keeping them full up, drug use is often the most convenient and expedient of crimes. Very, very sad state of affairs.

However, as bad as it is in the states, it's diabolical business model goes back to it's parent England, the CPS or Crown Prosecution Service, the UK's sentencing body. The CPS is a privately held company, in fact it's not one but rather many different privately held companies who are given territories under which they have the license to prosecute and convict. As companies they have a fiduciary responsibility to produce a profit for their shareholders.

The greatest trick the UK has pulled is convincing their populous that these institutions are merely a necessary component of the government or Crown, but in truth they are neither. Don't believe me, check them out, do a search on the Duns and Bradstreet website, they have a duns number as do nearly all first world businesses / corporations.

From the Duns and Bradstreet website:

The D&B D-U-N-S® Number is a unique nine-digit identifier for businesses. It is used to establish a business credit file, which is often referenced by lenders and potential business partners to help predict the reliability and/or financial stability of the company in question. D-U-N-S, which stands for data universal number system, is used to and maintain accurate and timely information on +265 M global businesses.

https://www.dnb.co.uk/duns-number.html

So my question in relation to the American and UK system is who is more the fool? The fool, or the fool that follows the fool??..... N

wnlight
15th June 2017, 22:09
Private prison systems are immoral and wrong-headed and should be disbanded.

Satori
16th June 2017, 00:56
A related fact that meshes with the proliferation of private prisons, is the mandatory sentencing guidelines and "three strikes and your out" laws. Some members of Congress and some members of state legislatures are as guilty as this judge. When your business is prisons, your stock in trade and inventory is prisoners. So the so-called laws were changed to criminalize more and more behavior and impose mandatory, and in some cases, excessively long sentences.

They also put prisoners to work as slave laborers making all manner of products for all manner of industries. We are not talking license plates and street signs.

Bluegreen
16th June 2017, 01:09
Related
www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/07/19/2016-17040/annual-determination-of-average-cost-of-incarceration

CurEus
16th June 2017, 03:17
Trump and Sessions: Great for the Private Prison Industry, Terrible for Civil Rights


https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/styles/blog_author_54x46/public/biography-images/carl_takei_for_web.jpg?itok=iqvO_Qyh

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/styles/blog_author_54x46/public/default_images/lady-liberty-default-image.jpg?itok=gOxjtb-6

Carl Takei (https://www.aclu.org/bio/carl-takei), Staff Attorney, ACLU National Prison Project
& Katie Egan (https://www.aclu.org/bio/katie-egan), Washington Legislative Office


Donald Trump’s victory has been nothing but good news for the private prison industry.

The day after the election, shares of the two biggest private prison corporations — Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) and GEO Group — jumped 43 and 21 percent (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/10/the-private-prison-industry-was-crashing-until-donald-trumps-victory/?utm_term=.1cb445538aef), respectively.
And share prices continue to soar. Since Election Day, CCA and GEO’s stock value has increased by 75 and 54 percent.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/trump-and-sessions-great-private-prison-industry-terrible-civil-rights

amor
16th June 2017, 04:51
The above goes to prove that the very idea of private corporate prisons designed for slave labor, instead of rehabilitation, points out the fact that the entire system of governance needs to be changed so that people at the bottom are the government and have power to mitigate against dark ages injustice.

The former Attorney for the World Bank was fired for pointing out its gross corruption. She said that all the income taxes paid by Americans goes the the Queen, Federal Reserve which actually is the Rothschilds and the Pope, and the US Government is actually being supported by DOPE TRAFFICKING. They then have the nerve to throw addicts into their corporate prisons as slave labor.

There is a report put out by the White Hats concerning the vast amounts of money held in off-ledger accounts owned by Wall Street and the Queen. I can't remember the exact amount but hers is something like 2,245 followed by 51 zeros and the same for Wall Street which uses computers and collusion to rob investors of their money:

Wednesday, April 25, 2012
Global banking crisis? What global banking crisis?
Thousands of quadrillions of hidden monies revealed to be held in multiple off-ledger black screen accounts

http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/2012/01/global-banking-crisis-what-global.html
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All this taking place with the VATICAN at the head of the game while people are starved and murdered all over the planet as a result of their evil plotting.

Lifebringer
16th June 2017, 09:22
Amen. Ever since that Constitutional law that "prisoners have no rights." This is criminal and might as well be Gory Island. This is how they round us up put us in prison for free labor competition for NAFTA. They use the prisoners as labor and buy and sell goods to produce by prisoner. They get 10 cent an hour, the prison continues to make a profit. They had maggots in their food and black mold.
WHY? Aren't they still human and if you're not helping them by allowing that trade to continue in their lives, they become criminals shut out of employment and then the desparation for them to stay out, pay fines, and find a job, is HELL forever.

Lifebringer
16th June 2017, 09:26
churech parasites supposed to help the poor instead they have orphans without organs being kidnapped for the 1%'s pleasure/extended life. Stealing our babies organs and not even giving them pain meds. Just left on the side of the roads to die. EVIL. I'll not ask God for mercy on their greedy amoral soul.

Helene West
17th June 2017, 00:46
Hang with me as I have a possible solution towards the end.

So what do a colonized people do about an entrenched issue like this? Here in the U.S. we became recolonized in 1913. We became ruled by private international banking families. These families have married other families who own most of the shares of the largest corporations in the world. They've been doing so for decades and in some industries for centuries. This 'class' of folk are our rulers.

And they want the world organized and run a certain way.
They want privatization of the penal system along with privatizing other departments of life. This is in sync with their destruction of the sovereignty of nations (e.g. the EU, with appointed not elected leaders) and it will continue even if a faux socialist like The Bern got elected. Whether it's reforming the prison system, the health care system or trying to find 10 congressman that aren't prey to pay-offs, threat or blackmail, how do you withstand the will of people who have more money than God and whom most citizens don't know their names, faces or domiciles?

Is there hope in the short term for transforming the sorrowful penal system?

Nope. Plain and simple. As long as people deny they're really colonists, not free citizens and do not feel compelled to bond together to find (lol) let alone confront our rulers who fashion our laws and culture to their will, we are doomed to dealing with bandaids. As we continue to make believe we're such 'free' people we are locked into the "throw the bums out" pendulum syndrome that swings every 4 or 8 years, and then we play disappointed, over and over. The pendulum will probably swing leftist again next time and their bandaid will be something like periodically releasing scores of prisoners into the community. It will be for 'compassion' and of course 'anti-racist'. And since very little is done intelligently a good many freed will be people who should remain locked up.

Is there hope in the long term for transformation of this issue?

Possibly, but in an indirect way. Large scores of people will never rally around the issue of prisons. It will largely remain a short sighted race issue which always takes attention off the ruling class. People are also afraid of prisoners more than they are compassionate so many are happy to sweep it under the rug.
But there is something looming on the horizon which could finally unite us all. Possibly. And that is the water wars - the privatization of water. There's nothing we all need without exception and constantly. The mechanisms have already been put in place. We have been unwittingly helping the privatization of water by our addiction for bottled water. We are becoming dependent on Nestle and Pepsico et al, owners of many of the more familiar brands (and that while we pollute the land and water with these plastic bottles). We have also by our penchant for plastic water lessened the authority of our public infrastructure which has been giving us affordable and convenient water for over a century. Our local governments who should be controlling our water sources are broke and Wall Street is stepping in and funding water corporations....

I don't want to hijack the thread so my point is that going against the will of the ruling class, who intend privatization, and who have had judges over the last 100 years slowly pass laws giving human rights to corporations, will take tremendous unity. We are extremely divided and will not unite around an issue like the privatization of prisons.

We are so divided unity has to be forced upon us. I think Water may be the ticket that can do just that. We're so far gone with division it has to get worse to get better and that is a very tricky situation indeed....

Pam
17th June 2017, 14:55
By paving the way to make a profit off of the penal system we are just begging for wide spread corruption. The state of California is currently spending about 75,000.00 USD for each prisoner for a year, which is absolutely ridiculous. That is a mighty incentive for a corporation capitalizing off of prisoners to keep the prisons full. That is really terrifying to me. Considering that corporations have control over our government, I'm sure they will do whatever is necessary to keep them full. We are pawns being shuffled around as a means of funneling money to the top.

This entire system desperately needs to come down.

AutumnW
17th June 2017, 20:15
Thanks everybody for all of your input!

It's like a scary movie. When I began reading about private prisons, many years ago, I couldn't believe it. I also couldn't get my head around the fact it wasn't being covered in mainstream media.

Wow...how do you turn around a system that is SO rotten? The main industry is warfare and armaments and another big employer is the private prison industry? How like the Gnostic hell of myth? But it's true.

amor
18th June 2017, 00:36
Read Jim Mars' latest book on the ILLUMINATI, focus your mind on them and on bringing them down. They won't stand a chance.