The COLLINS ELITE: Nick Redfern, Ray Boeche, and interdimensional, demonic 'aliens' - that the deep insiders may know all about

[Bill Ryan]

This complicated and extraordinary story takes us all down a different track, suggesting that


The 'ET' phenomenon, or much of it, might truly be demonic and highly deceptive.
At least one group of deep gov't insiders has known all about this since the 1950s.
The nature of the problem may be spiritual, and not physical at all.

Here's an Oct 2010 Coast to Coast interview with George Knapp. It's an excellent introduction:


http://projectavalon.net/Coast_to_Coast_Nick_Redfern_Collins_Elite_17_October_2010.mp3






UFO researcher Nick Redfern joined George Knapp to talk about a secret group within the U.S. government known as the Collins Elite, who believe our purported alien visitors are actually deceptive demonic entities.

Redfern first learned of the group’s existence through Ray Boeche, an Anglican priest, and former director of Nebraska’s MUFON. Boeche said back in 1991 he met with two men from the Defense Dept. who told him about a secret project to contact NHE’s (non-human entities).

They showed him photographs of people who allegedly died during experiments while contacting the NHEs, and contended that the beings they communicated with were simply masquerading as ETs.

Eventually, Redfern interviewed a man in his 80s named Richard Duke, who claimed to be a member of the Collins Elite up until 1960, and recalled many specific details about the group. The group took its inspiration from occultist Aleister Crowley’s ritual in which he reportedly made contact with an interdimensional entity named Lam.

Later, in the 1940s, rocket scientist Jack Parsons engaged in similar experiments trying to invoke a being, and subsequent UFO sightings may have been enabled through his opening of a portal, the group believed.

According to Duke, the Collins Elite also suspected that various contactees in the 1950s, such as George Hunt Williamson, who used a Oujia board for ET communications, were experiencing demonic deceptions.

In the 1960s, the Collins Elite examined a number of NDE reports, such as one in which deceased humans moved through a hellish landscape as a UFO-type craft hovered overhead, extracting their souls with a ball of light, Redfern detailed. “They eventually came to the conclusion…that the human soul possesses some sort of energy, which these entities can use as sustenance…In other words, they’re harvesting human souls,” he said, adding that the group believed that a strong religious viewpoint, such as Christian fundamentalism could keep the demonic entities at bay.

Linda Howe (with John Burroughs) talked with Nick Redfern and Ray Boeche about the Collins Elite just a couple of weeks ago, on 12 June 2017. This would be the follow-up interview to listen to:


http://kgraradioarchives.com/Shows/phenomenon-radio/2017/PRS060817KGRA%20-%20PHENOMENON%20-%20%20Ray%20Boeche%20&%20Nick%20Redfern.mp3

And there's a great deal more, but I'll leave it at that right now. (Search for 'Collins Elite', and you'll find a lot.)

Recommended, and all my Spidey Senses tells me that there's something very important to this story.

[Chester]

Forgive me that I must make this post this way but.... I have an interesting story directly related to "this." (The Collins Elite and Nick Redfern). I must get back to Dallas to do so and hope that I am able to share my post sometime this coming weekend.

[Justplain]

The point that many researchers make is that many of ufo's are not inter-stellar, but are inter-dimensional, which would tie in to the 'demonic' nature associated with many of them. I know that my own ufo sighting was initiated by a blood curdling series of screams in the woods, very creepy. It wouldnt surprise me if those aliens were demonic. Always a good thing to remember when dealing with the ufo, or paranormal, phenomena, that it can be very negative in nature.

That being said, i personally believe that there are positive aliens, both inter-stellar and inter-dimensional, its just being very cautious when confirming their true nature.

[Kano]

the group believed that a strong religious viewpoint, such as Christian fundamentalism could keep the demonic entities at bay.

I believe this is an accurate statement and wanted to call attention to it specifically. I am by no means thumping a Bible by bringing light to this although I do identify as a Christian.

Through my research into the topic of demons masquerading as aliens or ET, I do believe there is a large faction of these demons, or as the Nag Hamadi calls them, Archons, in league with humans in power positions. These same humans are none the wiser. But what I found very interesting, and a common thread in my research, was that in fact using the name of Jesus Christ, wielding a crucifix, and blessing oneself with holy water (to name a few), would in fact keep these demonic entities at bay and most every time they would go away. Anyway, I thought it was interesting and recognize there are many ways one can protect himself/herself spiritually.

[Hervé]

I recall reading a while back about a young'un meeting with "red diablos" in his dreams who were telling him they were about to invade earth, etc., and asking an old shaman about it... and the shaman's answer: "Oh, they always say that..."

Here is a variation on that theme from here (http://www.biroz.net/words/looking-with-lizard-eyes.htm) (<---):


I first read about Reptilian Intelligence in ‘The Way of The Shaman’ by Michael Harner way back in the early 90s. In the opening chapter, he recounts an ayahuasca experience in which he travels to the edge of the Universe and meets some winged reptilian creatures who offer him power and control of the whole world. On recounting this to his shaman teacher, the old man chuckles and replies ‘Oh, they always say that. Take no notice of them.’This, of course, ties in with the conclusion many a researcher came to envisage:



When did disclosure morph into an 'expand my consciousness' movement?I am not sure as to the "when," but it may be because many a researcher, like Jacques Vallée, came to the conclusion that many of the reported UFO phenomena were indistinguishable from psychic phenomena?

Or is it because these two fields have been amalgamated to confuse everyone?

Because, if a "Third Man in a Room" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68916-Don-t-go-into-the-light-Discussion-thread&p=806378&viewfull=1#post806378) can be made to "disappear," or a stage hypnotist subject can gain weight on a diet of "imaginary" food... or when half of a group of people can see a UFO where the other half cannot see nothing... the battle is of the mind and its control and the two fields become confused.

As in: a real nuts and bolts aircraft can be made to be "not seen" - or barely there - by influencing the witnesses minds, so can "imaginary" fleets of crafts be made "Oh, so real" by influencing the non-witnesses' minds... the former for cover ups, the latter for misdirections and muddying the researches...

See?

Is one to conclude "They have said that..." for 1000s and 1000s of years?

[Bob]

I had a discussion in person (physically face to face) in the early 1980's with a researcher who was highly respected, noteworthy and quite sincere, having had first hand contact with J. Allen Hynek. Dr. Josef Allen Hynek was an American astronomer, professor, and ufologist. He is perhaps best remembered for his UFO research.

This researcher was told by Hynek about the "dark side", or the demonic side, contrary to Greer's 'love and light candy' approach to ET's. Hynek relayed that the "phenomenon" was 3 fold - spiritual (demonic or angelic-like), physical ET's, and "unexplained". The 4th category was human development of captured crafts, or earth-developed. Hynek didn't clarify if inner-earth or moon-based or other planet solar system based was the case.

There was a brief discussion about "soul harvesting" in the spheroid craft.. Consider a human with a body is a formidable opponent. A soul captured and stored in ROM (read only memory), is a valuable tradeable commodity. Consider some of the "demonic" ET's to be soul harvesters 'profiting' for trade of "souls with unique experiences"..

I found the discussion interesting. It certainly won't stop me from heading back to the Roswell area (see my other posts about that in Disclosure), specifically around Dexter to see what I can 'dig' up :). Thanks for the thread Bill.

[7alon]

There is something important about this subject. I think it is closely related to the topic of some ETs worshipping these negative entities. There are different types of these beings.. such as skinwalkers, who project images of themselves in human form as well as other things. They can make you see bad stuff.

[CurEus]

I tend to view things along the lines with everyone who has posted so far in this thread. There are a variety of entities and forms of contact from many types of places. It seems disheartening that we really have very little control over ourselves or any of these creatures. I expert there are some lovely, friendly and inspiring types....but it seems the negative far outweigh the positive encounters.

LA MArxulli believes ALL aliens are demons. Greer thinks they are all Mary Poppins........*sighs*

The olde religions and new are quite clear about the dangers of some entities. We seem to be hardwired to terror when some specific types appear. Especially reptilians for some reason.
ANYTHING that requires blood sacrifice, pledging your soul, hurting others or other rather "obvious" warning signs seems intuitively negative to me. These creatures must have loved the Aztec empire....total bloodbath of ritual sacrifice daily. Which is akin to our ongoing "Wars"

Negative Aliens/demons probably know it will be a bloody bloody day if we ever manage to develop enough to defend ourselves. We are also hardwired for extreme aggression and retribution...the "good" creatures probably hope we can tell the good from the bad before we go on an intergalactic fear based pogrom of total annihilation.

We'd do it too! We'd d obliterate everything that scared us. Doesn't take much t whip us up into a frenzy.

[Noelle]

While listening to the Knapp interview, the "astral wind" popped into my mind. Maybe some Avalonians have experienced it while dreaming/lucid dreaming or while having an out of body or near death experience. The best way to describe it is it's like a tornado or, better yet, a powerful vacuum cleaner that sucks the energy body from behind, pulling it out from whatever it was experiencing and into who knows where. It does sound something like a gust of wind.

I have experienced it three or four times while lucid dreaming or out of body. It's frequently talked about in astral travel circles, including possible "beneficial" reasons for it. Robert Bruce talks about it in his "Astral Dynamics." Many who have experienced it do not perceive it as something terrible, but some do. Every time that I have experienced it, I felt dread and always thought, "Here I go again." There was no stopping it.

Could it be that the astral wind is related to soul harvesting? Could it be feeding off our souls while we are still alive or embodied?

[Chuck]

Coming face to face with a potential reality of us being 'farmed creatures' is disconcerting at the best of times ... ahem. Nevertheless, thanks for the reminder to consider/contemplate it as a potential so as to formulate plans/hope for escape, if true.

Indeed what would you say to a steer (who by his own nature is already diminished :blushing:) about the beef industry? Would you rather him live the rest of his life in ignorant bliss? or inform him? Tough call. There is a saying "the truth will set you free". Maybe so but it can also turn one into a brooding recluse...

However, I am somewhat heartened to know that there are those in the DoD who have also considered us as 'farmed creatures' as a reality... Sobering however that they, with all their vast resources, haven't figured out escape either. No wonder that they're not known for their parties.

Perhaps that's just it. There is no escape. Rather we are here in this matrix, light bubble, simulation as it were, as a training ground for our soul. And Satan, the Lord of Light is our prison warden.

Makes one wonder about the nature of light... and the nature of matter and antimatter ... of forward time and backward time... of sleep and awake ... and of souls caught in the charades.

[6Denno]

I agree, there's something very important about this story. It kind of resonates with how the internet was made, the military is always investing trillions in experiments and projects, just as long as they think it will be effective as a weapon. They may be onto something greater than they think. I'm thinking, if its possible to make contact with demonic entities, then it must also be possible to be in contact with angelic entities, or phosters.

[Bill Ryan]

This researcher was told by Hynek about the "dark side", or the demonic side, contrary to Greer's 'love and light candy' approach to ET's. Hynek relayed that the "phenomenon" was 3 fold - spiritual (demonic or angelic-like), physical ET's, and "unexplained". The 4th category was human development of captured crafts, or earth-developed.

Yes, that's a good brief summary. I'd personally agree with that. ETs are not all 'demonic', I'd be sure. But there may well be an unsavory and spiritually dangerous aspect to the whole phenomenon, yes.

[Bruno]

While I personally agree with the spiritual/inter-dimensional/demonic aspect of the ET phenomenon discussed in this thread, I disagree with the idea that invoking Jesus has any power in such situations. In my personal experience praying or calling on Jesus has had mixed results and is likely as helpful as calling on the spirit of "Thor" or "Wonder Woman". I feel they find our religious ideas amusing at best.

[Callista]

I cant understand why a theologian has not heard of the Archons. The Nag Hammadi texts explain the Archons quite specifically, together with their effect on humanity.

[LadyKitt]

I cant understand why a theologian has not heard of the Archons. The Nag Hammadi texts explain the Archons quite specifically, together with their effect on humanity.

Hi Callista,

Michael S. Heiser (http://drmsh.com/gnostic-archons-aliens/), a renowned biblical scholar, has addressed many topics in the paranormal/ufo/metaphysical realms. I've not read any of his books, but I have listened to several of his lectures, which offer an interesting 'crossover' view, if I may characterize it so for lack of a better term.

Kitt

[Callista]

Thank you Kitt (great to have you on Avalon!) - I will take a look at his work :flower:

[Noelle]

While I personally agree with the spiritual/inter-dimensional/demonic aspect of the ET phenomenon discussed in this thread, I disagree with the idea that invoking Jesus has any power in such situations. In my personal experience praying or calling on Jesus has had mixed results and is likely as helpful as calling on the spirit of "Thor" or "Wonder Woman". I feel they find our religious ideas amusing at best.

As I remember, at the end of the audio, he says it may have nothing to do with Jesus coming to the rescue; rather, it's our own mind/conscious exerting power while invoking the word "Jesus."

[Bill Ryan]

There's a huge repository of very interesting linked information, here:


https://reddit.com/r/worldpolitics/comments/5bpc5x/an_update_for_my_readers_by_peter_levenda/ddc4c3a



(a) Don Ecker interviews author Nick Redfern about "FINAL EVENTS and the Secret Government Group on Demonic UFOs and the Afterlife" on Dark Matters Radio, 20 September 2010: https://web.archive.org/web/20120502020301/www.dqrm.com/shows/DMR/2010/wk30/dmr-38-m.mp3
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20110822144558/www.dqrm.com/showlist/dmr2.htm (2010, Monday, Week 38)
"FINAL EVENTS: UFOs, Demons and the Government": http://eventsfinal.blogspot.com
(b) "Demons and the Defense Department" by Nick Redfern, published on 4 June 2015: http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/06/demons-and-the-defense-department/
(c) "Demons, Djinn and UFOs" by Nick Redfern, published on 11 April 2014: http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/04/demons-djinn-and-ufos (http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/04/demons-djinn-and-ufos/)
On the 3 October 2010 episode of The Paracast show Gene Steinberg (host) and Christopher O'Brien (co-host) interview author Nick Redfern about "FINAL EVENTS and the Secret Government Group on Demonic UFOs and the Afterlife": http://www.theparacast.com/podcast/now-playing-october-3-2010-—-co-host-christopher-obrien-with-nicholas-redfern/ (http://www.theparacast.com/podcast/now-playing-october-3-2010-%E2%80%94-co-host-christopher-obrien-with-nicholas-redfern/)
MP3: http://www.theparacast.com/podcasts/paracast_101003.mp3
On the 1 December 2016 episode ("Peter Levenda: Sekret Machines") of UFO modPod Jason McClellan interviews Peter Levenda: http://rogueplanet.tv/peter-levenda-sekret-machines/33493 or http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/rogue-planet/ufo-modpod/e/peter-levenda-sekret-machines-48409433
Audio file: http://traffic.libsyn.com/ufomodpod/UmP_15.mp3
UFO modPod: http://rogueplanet.tv/ufomodpod-a-ufo-podcast or http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/rogue-planet/ufo-modpod
(a) Doctor Future (Dr. Future), host of the Future Quake radio program, interviews Raymond W. Boeche -- "A Prominent Investigator And Pastor's Evidence of Direct Government Involvement in the Occult" -- on 31 May 2010, 1 June 2010, 2 June 2010, and 4 June 2010: http://www.futurequake.com/Audio/FQShow211.mp3
Source: "31 May - 4 June 10" at http://www.futurequake.com/FQ_PastShows.htm
Show description: http://www.futurequake.com/PressReleases/PRESSRELEASE-RayBoecheInterview-FUTUREQUAKERADIOSHOW31MAY-4JUNE10.docx
"UFOs Caught in a Web of Deception" by Raymond W. Boeche, "This paper was originally presented at the Gulf Breeze UFO Conference, Gulf Breeze Florida, February 12, 1994" in the United States of America (USA): https://www.academia.edu/11583866/UFOs_Caught_in_a_Web_of_Deception or https://web.archive.org/web/20120626021421/www.futurequake.com/MIB.pdf
Raymond W. Boeche: http://independent.academia.edu/RayBoeche
(b) Doctor Future (Dr. Future), host of the Future Quake radio program, interviews Linda Moulton Howe -- "The Message and Motives Behind Entities Observed To Be In Contact With This World" -- on 15 June 2009, 16 June 2009, 17 June 2009, 18 June 2009, and 19 June 2009: http://www.futurequake.com/Audio/FQShow161.mp3
Source: "15 - 19 June 09" at http://www.futurequake.com/FQ_PastShows.htm
Show description: http://www.futurequake.com/PressReleases/PRESSRELEASE-LindaMoultonHoweInterview-FUTUREQUAKERADIOSHOW15-19JUNE09.doc
(c) Phenomenon Radio hosted by John Burroughs and Linda Moulton Howe, 8 June 2017, an interview with Raymond W. Boeche and Nick Redfern: http://kgraradioarchives.com/Shows/phenomenon-radio/2017/PRS060817KGRA%20-%20PHENOMENON%20-%20%20Ray%20Boeche%20&%20Nick%20Redfern.mp3
Source: http://kgraradioarchives.com/shows/phenomenon-radio/?loc=2017 via http://kgraradioarchives.com/shows/phenomenon-radio
See also: http://www.phenomenonradio.com/earthfiles via http://www.phenomenonradio.com
"The Death Of Physical Mediumship As We Know It?" by Sue Farrow, published in Psychic News - January 2015, Issue No. 4123: http://www.psychicnews.org.uk/articles/The-death-of-physical-mediumship-as-we-know-it
The abduction of a "25-year-old farmer named Adelino Roque" on 20 April 1969 in Itauçu, Goiás, Brasil
"Another Teleportation And Its Sequel" by Gordon Creighton, published in the September/October 1971 (Volume 17, Number 5) issue of Flying Saucer Review (FSR): https://web.archive.org/web/20120627201054/www.ignaciodarnaude.com/ufologia/FSR 1971 V 17 N 5.pdf (https://web.archive.org/web/20120627201054/www.ignaciodarnaude.com/ufologia/FSR%201971%20V%2017%20N%205.pdf)
The abudction of 24-year-old José Antônio da Silva on 4 May 1969 in Bebedouro, Minas Gerais, Brasil
(a) "Abduction At Bebedouro" by Húlvio Brant Aleixo, published in the November/December 1973 (Volume 19, Number 6) issue of Flying Saucer Review (FSR): https://web.archive.org/web/20120626182006/www.ignaciodarnaude.com/ufologia/FSR 1973 V 19 N 6.pdf (https://web.archive.org/web/20120626182006/www.ignaciodarnaude.com/ufologia/FSR%201973%20V%2019%20N%206.pdf)
"Bebedouro II: The Little Men Return For The Soldier" by Húlvio Brant Aleixo, published in the November 1975 (Volume 21, Number 3 and Number 4) issue of Flying Saucer Review (FSR): https://web.archive.org/web/20120625230137/www.ignaciodarnaude.com/ufologia/FSR 1975 V 21 N 3-4.pdf (https://web.archive.org/web/20120625230137/www.ignaciodarnaude.com/ufologia/FSR%201975%20V%2021%20N%203-4.pdf)
(b) "O Caso de Bebedouro (MG)" by Sociedade Brasileira de Estudos de Discos Voadores (SBEDV), published on 15 June 2016: http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/casuistica/1960/bebedouro
English translation via Google Translate: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&u=http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/casuistica/1960/bebedouro
- http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/downloads/SBEDV/B94_98.pdf and http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/downloads/SBEDV/B_SBEDV_ESP_1975.pdf
Source: http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/downloads/sbedv
The abduction of Onilson Pátero on 22 May 1973 and 26 April 1974 in the State of São Paulo, Brasil
(a) "Caso Onilson Pátero: Um dos mais importantes casos de abdução da Ufologia Brasileira envolveu o comerciante Onilson Pátero, que em duas ocasiões foi abduzido. Na segunda vez, ele foi deixado a 300 quilômetros do local do sequestro." by Sociedade Brasileira de Estudos de Discos Voadores (SBEDV), published on 15 June 2016: http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/casuistica/1970/patero
English translation via Google Translate: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&u=http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/casuistica/1970/patero
- Boletim da Sociedade Brasileira de Estudos de Discos Voadores: http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/downloads/sbedv
(b) "The Car That Turned Transparent" by Gordon Creighton, published in the November 1975 (Volume 21, Number 3 and Number 4) issue of Flying Saucer Review (FSR): https://web.archive.org/web/20120625230137/www.ignaciodarnaude.com/ufologia/FSR 1975 V 21 N 3-4.pdf (https://web.archive.org/web/20120625230137/www.ignaciodarnaude.com/ufologia/FSR%201975%20V%2021%20N%203-4.pdf)
(c) "Close Encounter In Brazil" by Aerial Phenomena Research Organization (APRO), published in the May/June 1973 (Volume 12, Number 6) issue of The A.P.R.O. Bulletin: http://www.afu.se/Downloads/Magazines/United%20States/APRO%20Bulletin/1973%20-%20complete%206%20issues%20-%20v%2021%20n%204-6%20&%20v%2022%20n%201-3/AFU_19730500_APRO_Bulletin_May-June.pdf
"Follow-up" by Aerial Phenomena Research Organization (APRO), published in the July/August 1973 (Volume 22, Number 1) issue of The A.P.R.O. Bulletin: http://www.afu.se/Downloads/Magazines/United%20States/APRO%20Bulletin/1973%20-%20complete%206%20issues%20-%20v%2021%20n%204-6%20&%20v%2022%20n%201-3/AFU_19730700_APRO_Bulletin_July-August.pdf
The abduction of Antônio Alves Ferreira on 4 January 1975 in São Luís, Maranhão, Brasil
"Caso Antônio Alves Ferreira" by Jackson Luiz Camargo, Portal Fenomenum and Centro de Investigação e Pesquisa Exobiológica (CIPEX), published on 15 June 2016: http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/casuistica/1970/aaf
English translation via Google Translate: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&u=http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/casuistica/1970/aaf
(a) "The Men-In-Black Syndrome...1" by Dr. Berthold Eric Schwarz, published in the January 1978 (Volume 23, Number 4, 1977) issue of Flying Saucer Review (FSR): https://web.archive.org/web/20150322105708/www.ignaciodarnaude.com/ufologia/FSR%201977%20V%2023%20N%204.pdf
"The Men-In-Black Syndrome...2" by Dr. Berthold Eric Schwarz, published in the February 1978 (Volume 23, Number 5) issue of Flying Saucer Review: https://web.archive.org/web/20150322115610/www.ignaciodarnaude.com/ufologia/FSR%201978%20V%2023%20N%205.pdf
"The Men-In-Black Syndrome...3" by Dr. Berthold Eric Schwarz, published in the April 1978, (Volume 23, Number 6) issue of Flying Saucer Review: https://web.archive.org/web/20150322072255/www.ignaciodarnaude.com/ufologia/FSR%201978%20V%2023%20N%206.pdf
(b) "The Car That Disappeared" by Derek James and Jenny Randles, published in the October 1977 (Volume 23, Number 3) issue of Flying Saucer Review (FSR): https://web.archive.org/web/20150322073106/www.ignaciodarnaude.com/ufologia/FSR%201977%20V%2023%20N%203.pdf
More details in "A Mundane Case" in the chapter (13) titled "Evidence Of Aliens" in the book "The Truth Behind Men In Black: Government Agents--Or Visitors From Beyond" by Jenny Randles: https://books.google.com/books?id=JdHrAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT209&lpg=PT209&ots=4Kz4VnE-b_
(c) Men In Black / Men-In-Black / MIB: #5a and #5b at https://www.reddit.com/r/worldpolitics/comments/5bpc5x/an_update_for_my_readers_by_peter_levenda/dbs41gv
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldpolitics/comments/5bpc5x/an_update_for_my_readers_by_peter_levenda/d9q9006
Via: #26 at https://www.reddit.com/r/Missing411/comments/41oph0/supernatural_abductions_in_japanese_folklore_by/cz3we2z

[Spiral]

While I personally agree with the spiritual/inter-dimensional/demonic aspect of the ET phenomenon discussed in this thread, I disagree with the idea that invoking Jesus has any power in such situations. In my personal experience praying or calling on Jesus has had mixed results and is likely as helpful as calling on the spirit of "Thor" or "Wonder Woman". I feel they find our religious ideas amusing at best.

As I remember, at the end of the audio, he says it may have nothing to do with Jesus coming to the rescue; rather, it's our own mind/conscious exerting power while invoking the word "Jesus."

This is the theory that people who have no direct experience like to push, however those who have found it to work are not of that opinion, its not the word or the mind, & in reality its highly unlikely that any opertunity to do so during an abduction would arise anyway.

Just to be clear, calling out "Jesus" will do nothing if the person has not renounced other connections & oaths, and made a clear & powerful connection to Christ in their own heart....in otherwords, if the person "belongs" to Christ, the "aliens" have no "right" to take that person.

There will be some pact, oath or contract made by the adbuctee that allows it to happen, they can of course be tricked into this as the "aliens" love deciet, and you can also be "sold" into a contract by those who claim to rule you.

[Foxie Loxie]

@Callista....The mainline denominations & especially the fundamentalist religions do not recognize the Nag Hammadi texts as authoritative as they consider the Bible.
It kind of explains why the NH texts had to be hidden back then! The controlling faction did not want the "truth" available to all! :Angel: Having come out of that type of background I can verify that thousands still believe the only true authority is The Bible! Thanks to what I found here on Avalon & the mature ones who helped me along here I was able to ferret out a more complete picture of what has been going on over the centuries My thanks to all who contributed to my growth! :highfive:

[Callista]

Thanks Foxie! Yes my father was a minister in the Church of England, like Ray Boeche, and I thought they are normally quite liberal in their research, which is why I was surprised that he made no reference to the Archons. But that world is so far behind me that I dont really know where they sit with the Nag Hammadi.

I am so glad you are finding the company at Avalon so helpful - it is never too late to learn!

[Ernie Nemeth]

Just to keep things even, I've heard the opposite of "true believers". That if you believe in one of the organized religions it is far easier to divert your soul's journey and trap it. You are already predisposed to the idea of an afterlife and are expecting an encounter. When the encounter happens those that believe are eager to follow instructions. If those instructions are from an evil entity then you're pooched.

Religion is pre-conditioning to recycle the soul to another round in this hell-hole.

It is best to question any encounter on the soul journey back to Source. No guidance is required to reach the final, only and proper destination.

Returning to Source is natural. Being interrupted on the way is not. Why? Because we never left the Source so the journey is short. It is the detour back to another round on Earth that takes time.

[Basho]

Great points Ernie, I enjoyed what you expressed.

The Zen people say that if you run across Buddha along the way(to your true nature/source/etc), kill him immediately. My understanding of this is to not let any internal middle men (or any one or thing else) distract you from your so called return to source.

They also say that source is not even a hairs breath away. It is always there just awaiting recognition or rediscovery. No need to become just be.

[CurEus]

I cannot say I am "surprised" that governments or elements of governments would try just about anything to gain advantage. UFO's, aliens, demons, fallen angels....... It strikes me as not entirely coincidental that the USA aggressively pursues ancient writings recalling they make a beeline for Museums when they invade "liberate" middle Eastern Countries. Something of value and interest must be there.

Apparently some drugs open one up to "possession" ( alcohol etc) and some others Like Ayuaska are good to see/enter the world beyond our own. I wondered if some "mental illnesses" are just actually being able to see/hear the world beyond. Would be maddening if one could not turn it off.

Considerable "research" was done with drugs...for good or ill. We don't always have ready access to wise guides or Shaman anymore. The churches saw them as threats I expect.
Has anyone linked this with CERN purportedly punching holes in the fabric of our reality? I recall some odd video of a ritual sacrifice there....not that I believe it, but I'd not be surprised.

[Did You See Them]

Religion is pre-conditioning to recycle the soul to another round in this hell-hole.



I wouldn't really consider this a "hell hole" - I see tremendous beauty and opportunity, even in the ashes of despair and destruction. We would not know Love without hate, up without down, right without left etc etc.
Existence in my mind was created by higher thought.
The very concept of "nothing" could only exist with the concept of "something".
Free will is both a blessing and a curse.
We are in school and we don't always understand the lessons, the teacher, or why we are given the cane sometimes !

[Ernie Nemeth]

Good way of putting it, thanks.

When I speak of the "hellhole" I am referring to this society, not reality in general. Yes, life is good, but soured by this modern society that seeks to control us by the exact thing you believe we are here for: school.

School conditions the populace, and not in a good way, either. We are taught to respect authority unquestioningly no matter how insane their decrees might be. We are taught to work - and work, and work some more. Lack of sleep is the most common cause of all disease and of aging. And what they teach is taught as facts, even though most are merely conjecture that have yet to be falsified.

Also, "school" here trains the average person to hate learning, which is also good for the establishment. I know of very few people who research anything in detail and know almost nothing about anything in this world, let alone further afield.

These are our educated masses. They go to school for twelve years at least and come out knowing nothing beyond basics. They will never have a single original thought or even once consider learning a new skill just for the fun of it.

If this place is a school, as you claim, we must be the slowest learners in all the universe. I reject that idea.

[Bayareamom]

How about a 'school' in which to learn even more about forgiveness, compassion, understanding and LOVE? I know how this sounds, but perhaps this is what it's this journey of the soul is all about?

[Did You See Them]

How about a 'school' in which to learn even more about forgiveness, compassion, understanding and LOVE? I know how this sounds, but perhaps this is what it's this journey of the soul is all about?

That is the schooling I am really referring to.
We need hate to understand love and visa versa etc - and we are given free will in this existence to exercise our own choices.
Love Life.

[Michi]

How about a 'school' in which to learn even more about forgiveness, compassion, understanding and LOVE? I know how this sounds, but perhaps this is what it's this journey of the soul is all about?

That is the schooling I am really referring to.
We need hate to understand love and visa versa etc - and we are given free will in this existence to exercise our own choices.
Love Life.

I don't buy into this "we are here to learn and grow" - bla-bla-bla.
A spirit actually in essence really knows and knows anything deep down.
Perhaps he says he doesn't sometimes - but this is because he decides it to be so.
And on top of that there is that constructed amnesia which additionally keeps man enslaved.

Beings didn't reincarnate here on earth to learn - no, quite the opposite!
If you really decide to know and return to native full potential - you don't come to earth to do that!

[Mike]

The line that struck me was the one that suggested our belief was necessary for them (demons, aliens so forth) to manifest in our reality.

John Keel's research suggested same.

Looked upon from this angle, the government's policy of denial might be the most responsible approach they could take.

[Builder]

In other words, they’re harvesting human souls,” he said, adding that the group believed that a strong religious viewpoint, such as Christian fundamentalism could keep the demonic entities at bay.

I'd be careful, very careful, when religious fundamentalism is said to be the solution to anything.

[WhiteLove]

This discussion leads me to thoughts on attachments having vibrational influence. So the idea would be that a spirit has a certain vibration and is exposed to vibrations that can attach and hence cause a vibrational downgrade or upgrade. In the idea of us witnessing UFOs that are actually demons, the destructive part would be that this demon exposes itself for the purpose of attaching and can when our soul has a certain vibrational complex actually succeed in attaching, hence causing a downgrade in the target soul's vibration as long as it remains attached. But you can then as a soul do things to defend against this kind of stuff being possible, for instance use your free will to accept baptism and hence your vibrational complex is now through the Christ influence in this act such that certain demons are unable to attach. (an idea on how this works technically, it could work differently also, I am just sharing some thoughts on what might be going on energetically speaking)

In this case some UFOs such as those where there is a negative abduction experience involved could actually be an attack on a spirit's spiritual complex. Maybe these UFOs are physical but the beings inside them are such type of spirits we understand as demons that are basically trying to deceive very specific spirits towards vibrational downgrades, maybe in order to try to downgrade the vibration of the collective spirit of Earth as a whole in the process of gaining increased abilities of penetrating into our reality or have us move towards their... These are just some ideas I share...

But considering that many abductions are said to be done on people in power you wonder whether these are steps taken to cause high precision spiritual vibrational downgrade to control the spiritual vibrations of the masses. This scenario seems to also align to the idea of blocking access to truthful content with certain vibrational footprints. There is for instance quite a lot of Christian music you cannot easily find in high quality on any online music service. It also fits well with this idea of globally spreading a lot of negative content across mainstream news media.

One thing counters all of this though - the truth. We need to find out what is going on...

[Hervé]

From the "Orion Model" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1420-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=593862&viewfull=1#post593862) as explained to Alex Collier:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png[...]
25:30
“Most people in government don’t really understand the real element of control here and that it’s extraterrestrial. They are aware of the human element. Those that have awareness of it, made a choice to succumb to this evil. I am sure that they were probably threatened and that their families were threatened, etc. Because we have inherited this problem. Those alive today inherited this problem. But this is the Orion Model.

“This is what the Orions, both the human aspect of what’s the Anunaki are a part of and the Reptilian lineages used to do, hundreds and hundreds of millions of years ago when the colonization of galaxies was in its beginning and its infancy. I don’t even know how many years ago that was.

“But this is the Orion Model: they would come in with different gods, they would separate the humanity of that planet. They would change their language. They would teach them a faith or a religion to separate them even more. Then they would use them to fight one another to build animosity and distrust.

“That alone changes the entire harmonic of not only the race but the planet. They think holographically, they know this stuff. They know what it does, OK, because they have all this knowledge.

“So, when you have planetary race and a planet vibrating at a low frequency, it is like a nesting zone for these guys. And when that’s done, what they then do is they corrupt, they create a priesthood to be the intermediaries between humanity and them because the more hidden they are, especially if they are regressive, the more stealth they are, the easier it is for them to manipulate.

“So, they use their human priesthoods, or their priesthoods – I am assuming all the races are human; they are not -- to basically implement the strategy and the plan.

“Once they have absolute control of a planet and the humanity on it and all the resources, just before they expose themselves, come forward and introduce themselves as gods, what they do is they eliminate all the people that helped them. All the priesthoods, all the intermediaries, all the middle management, they eliminate all of them so there is no one left to tell the story. And they erase history. Then the humanity on that particular planet is floundering around wondering “Who the hell are we?” “what’s true, what isn’t true? “How do you explain this?” “That religion says that.” It creates all this confusion and no one is on the same page and that’s exactly how they managed to control these planets.

““Ordo ab chao”

“You cannot enslave a planet that is well educated and you have a humanity that knows who it is on high spiritual principles. You cannot enslave a race like that.”

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png
Now, in terms of "vibrations" and "frequency," "anger" is higher on the emotional scale than fear... and, so, for a collective, a revolution with its torches and pitchforks is on the path to higher "frequencies" from fear and slavery.

[WhiteLove]

Interesting post Herve'. Through unconditional love we can heal and walk into the light.

[thunder24]

From the "Orion Model" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1420-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=593862&viewfull=1#post593862) as explained to Alex Collier:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png[...]
25:30
“Most people in government don’t really understand the real element of control here and that it’s extraterrestrial. They are aware of the human element. Those that have awareness of it, made a choice to succumb to this evil. I am sure that they were probably threatened and that their families were threatened, etc. Because we have inherited this problem. Those alive today inherited this problem. But this is the Orion Model.

“This is what the Orions, both the human aspect of what’s the Anunaki are a part of and the Reptilian lineages used to do, hundreds and hundreds of millions of years ago when the colonization of galaxies was in its beginning and its infancy. I don’t even know how many years ago that was.

“But this is the Orion Model: they would come in with different gods, they would separate the humanity of that planet. They would change their language. They would teach them a faith or a religion to separate them even more. Then they would use them to fight one another to build animosity and distrust.

“That alone changes the entire harmonic of not only the race but the planet. They think holographically, they know this stuff. They know what it does, OK, because they have all this knowledge.

“So, when you have planetary race and a planet vibrating at a low frequency, it is like a nesting zone for these guys. And when that’s done, what they then do is they corrupt, they create a priesthood to be the intermediaries between humanity and them because the more hidden they are, especially if they are regressive, the more stealth they are, the easier it is for them to manipulate.

“So, they use their human priesthoods, or their priesthoods – I am assuming all the races are human; they are not -- to basically implement the strategy and the plan.

“Once they have absolute control of a planet and the humanity on it and all the resources, just before they expose themselves, come forward and introduce themselves as gods, what they do is they eliminate all the people that helped them. All the priesthoods, all the intermediaries, all the middle management, they eliminate all of them so there is no one left to tell the story. And they erase history. Then the humanity on that particular planet is floundering around wondering “Who the hell are we?” “what’s true, what isn’t true? “How do you explain this?” “That religion says that.” It creates all this confusion and no one is on the same page and that’s exactly how they managed to control these planets.

““Ordo ab chao”

“You cannot enslave a planet that is well educated and you have a humanity that knows who it is on high spiritual principles. You cannot enslave a race like that.”

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png
Now, in terms of "vibrations" and "frequency," "anger" is higher on the emotional scale than fear... and, so, for a collective, a revolution with its torches and pitchforks is on the path to higher "frequencies" from fear and slavery.

Fark me dude....thanks for this. Answers much. Funny what you miss when you are at the buffet.

[Kano]

What I keep finding in different avenues of research that I find quite disturbing is this idea of "soul harvesting" and the fact that all of our waking lives we hear about "the light" and that we should go to it when transitioning from this life to the next. Is this a cunning ruse keep our souls locked in this time space? Is there any credibility to this claim? Is this the way it has always been or is this a recent development? I have many questions and no answers...

[Noelle]

What I keep finding in different avenues of research that I find quite disturbing is this idea of "soul harvesting" and the fact that all of our waking lives we hear about "the light" and that we should go to it when transitioning from this life to the next. Is this a cunning ruse keep our souls locked in this time space? Is there any credibility to this claim? Is this the way it has always been or is this a recent development? I have many questions and no answers...

There are a couple threads about the "trick" light tunnel. I found some good info on TrickedByTheLight.com (http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/index.html) too.

[Chester]

Forgive me that I must make this post this way but.... I have an interesting story directly related to "this." (The Collins Elite and Nick Redfern). I must get back to Dallas to do so and hope that I am able to share my post sometime this coming weekend.

I promised a post related to this writer, Nick Redfern, and the Collins Elite.

This will need to be a two part post and I ask that no one post between part one and the 5 minutes I must wait to do part 2.


Part 1 -

It all started on July 4, 2013 when in the early morning and just before I had to go to work, I came upon this post –
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=697235&viewfull=1#post697235

The video is now “gone” but the short teaser about the Collins Elite woke up my synchronicity mechanism… well, at least I was soon to find out. And so let me mention that at this time of my life I was only 15 months “out of” the worst “dark night of the soul” event one might ever imagine. Yet, though I emerged from the pure despair of that state, what remained was this uncanny connection I experienced with anything related to “demonics.” And so see this video posted by Houman in the Horus-Ra thread… a thread that veterans here know is all about demonic/interdimensional “alien” information and experiences, my curiosity was on overdrive.

So the theme here is demonics - especially when those demonics intersect with the relationship between an individual who is focused on that subject and their soon to experience synchronicities.

So the table is set for what happened –

I was working as a “medical courier” at the time and even though I wanted to listen to the full interview (which I had located in an internet search) I got my first job sent over…

...to a hospital just south of Highway 80 on Texas State Highway 352 called Baylor Scott and White Medical Center in Sunnyvale, Texas.

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Later that evening when I came home I listened to the full interview and was fascinated about the Collins Elite. The fascination was based mostly on the suggestion that folks in high political positions actually believed there was an ongoing demonic intervention into humanity’s affairs, an unavoidable crescendo of events involving soul harvesting and that esoteric Christian methodologies could be employed to combat this invasion.

Three days later (July 7) and on an unusual impulse, I decided to visit my sister in East Texas. This took me down the same Highway 80 as she lived near Canton. On my way home I found myself coming back through Sunnyvale again and noticed the sign for the highway I took three days before and it was at this moment I saw the obvious (that I had apparently missed three days before but also had missed earlier this day on the way to my sister’s home). The name of the street that is Highway 352 is called Collins Road.

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So when I got home I listened to more discussions with Nick Redfern and felt really good about the guy and so two days later on July 9, I ordered Final Events.

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Part 2 in the next post

[Chester]

Note a brief delay in posting Part 2 and here's why...

I was editing the first post and just at the very moment I typed -

"...an unavoidable crescendo of events involving soul harvesting..." a storm that had rapidly developed let out a load thunderclap and BAM, we experienced a power outage and fortunately I have a UPS and did not lose my work (which I had yet to save). Also, fortunately the lights came right back on but the internet had reset and so I was worried I may have lost some of my data yet unsaved... but it looks like all is good.

But still and in light of the subject matter (and perhaps 'implications') of my post, this type of event at that very moment might raise a few eyebrows further.

Anyways, Part 2 upcoming...

[Chester]

Part 2 -

Over the next two months I read this book and was very drawn to the premise and very captivated by the suggestion that folks in the Bush 43 administration were also “believers” in the conclusions of the Collins Elite. But what I also discovered in reading the back of the book was that Nick Redfern had been living in Arlington, Texas – about a ½ hour or so from north Dallas where I lived.

Because I had had so many uncanny experiences which had led me to making odds very high that much of what folks believe is “alien” activity is actually “demonic” activity. And because I had focused my studies along the lines of “the unexplained” I had long before taken notice of the phenomena of synchronicity and by this point had become quite a student of this phenomena. And lastly, because of my own strange experiences related to the JFK assassination and that I had discovered Nick’s earliest interests involved that event, I felt compelled to contact him in hopes he would allow me to meet with him, perhaps over lunch.

I e-mailed Nick and he promptly replied and suggested that one day when he would be in Dallas (a monthly occurrence for him at that time for a few days each month) and we could meet for lunch. Because I always do my best to state facts, I had developed the habit of documenting so much and retaining all my e-mails. Why I mention this is because I just noticed that the very first e-mail I sent to Nick was on 9/11 of 2013. This is another interesting synchronicity because of the massive 9/11 sync I have shared (in part) in the past on this forum BUT… I must stay focused on this specific stream of the Collins Elite.

As it turned out, Nick and I were able to meet but the plan had shifted (by my suggestion) to meet at a restaurant closer to his home city, Arlington. Nick said he would think of a place, but I was the one to suggest it because I have a habit that when I wish to experience a quiet lunch… where private conversation is easy… I always try and find a ‘non-chained’ Italian restaurant and so I google searched for such a place in Arlington.

The first place that popped up was a place named Piccolo Mondo Italian Restaurant - http://piccolomondo.com/

When I search on their “Contact Us” page for their location, I laughed when I saw the following… http://piccolomondo.com/?page_id=94

“Located in the Whole Foods shopping center, it is just one block north of Highway 30 on the northwest corner of Lamar Blvd. and Collins St. (Hwy 157).”

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We met for lunch in the early afternoon of Wednesday, December 11, 2013. Just to stay on track with the theme of this post, I won’t state anything about that lunch in this post other than to say it was an excellent experience and I am very grateful that Nick met with me.

So the key elements of that meeting that relate to this post was our discussion of the unexplained in general and his grounded approach to things of this nature that he has explored, investigated and written about. And early on I brought up the phenomena of synchronicity and shared some of my own experiences related to it, some that had led me to meet with him. It was during this part of the discussion that he shared with me that synchronicity played an important role in his investigative process.

Now at some point in the conversation, I happened to receive a phone call (that is rare to begin with) but a call I had to take noting that usually this caller (a friend and business associate of mine) almost always would text… never call. Anyways, because the matter was important, I briefly handled the call. Why I mention this is because at the end of our two hours together, Nick mentioned he gets over to Dallas from time to time and perhaps we would meet for a beer (he didn’t know I can’t drink)…

...but he then mentioned the restaurant he likes to go to over in Dallas which happens to be on a street named Greenville Avenue – a street famous for its restaurants, easily a few hundred or more can be found on or just off of this famous street. And then he spontaneously named the restaurant he loved to go to “every time I am in Dallas” which is named Dodie’s - and they have two locations, both on Greenville Avenue. The owner of these restaurants at that time… (and where the original Dodie’s is still in the hands of) is the very guy (and his father) who called me on the phone earlier and which was the only I call I had received.

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So that synchronicity was essentially the primary subject we weaved in and out of and this extremely improbable synchronicity occurring, we both had a really good laugh.

But the story doesn’t end there –

The morning after my lunch with Nick I was on Skype speaking with someone on about the phenomena of synchronicity. Suddenly I got a call on my cell phone from a number I did not recognize but answered anyway. It turned out that it was an old associate/friend who I had worked with about 7 or so years before who just happened to have spoken with a mutual friend who had given him my number.

He then asked me for something I thought was odd in our day and age… my address. So as to make sure he got it correctly, I asked him for an e-mail address so that I could e-mail it to him which I did. I also asked that he let me know he received the mail and not only did I get a reply but also, and for no reason at all, he gave me his own address which was, of course, on a street named – Collins Avenue.

Here’s the screenshot with personal info deleted…

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So what is my point of the story. Guess what? I cannot say it now as I am involved in a research project where I wish not to influence where the project is headed.

But just by writing this post, I suddenly feel the enthusiasm (once again) to begin the final phases of that project… wish us luck (yes, there’s an ‘us’ involved). - Sam

[LadyKitt]

Sam Hunter closed out his two-part posts by saying:

"So what is my point of the story. Guess what? I cannot say it now as I am involved in a research project where I wish not to influence where the project is headed.

But just by writing this post, I suddenly feel the enthusiasm (once again) to begin the final phases of that project… wish us luck (yes, there’s an ‘us’ involved). - Sam"

My reply:

Ohmygoodness, the synchronicity is sublime! Good luck, Sam!

LadyKitt

[Bluegreen]

What do you think, Sam? I'd say there are enough coincidences and synchronicities in your last three posts alone to collect a million dollars from the Amazing CIA-Employed Randi. And thank you Bill Ryan for the OP, much interesting information. I'm still trying to sort through the stuff in Post #18 ...

:dizzy:

In re: Soul Harvesting
Our friend Wes Penre is also of the opinion that the 'ET' phenomenon might truly be demonic and deceptive. He has some information and suggestions:

The Mechanics Around Entrapment of Souls in the Third Dimension (2012)
www.wespenre.com/2/mechanics-around-entrapment-of-souls-in-third-dimension.htm

The Death Trap and How to Avoid It (2016)
www.wespenre.com/Articles/Article_2_Death_Trap_and_How_to_Avoid_It.htm

[Chester]

What do you think, Sam? I'd say there are enough coincidences and synchronicities in your last three posts alone to collect a million dollars from the Amazing CIA-Employed Randi. And thank you Bill Ryan for the OP, much interesting information. I'm still trying to sort through the stuff in Post #18 ...

:dizzy:

In re: Soul Harvesting
Our friend Wes Penre is also of the opinion that the 'ET' phenomenon might truly be demonic and deceptive. He has some information and suggestions:

The Mechanics Around Entrapment of Souls in the Third Dimension (2012)
www.wespenre.com/2/mechanics-around-entrapment-of-souls-in-third-dimension.htm

The Death Trap and How to Avoid It (2016)
www.wespenre.com/Articles/Article_2_Death_Trap_and_How_to_Avoid_It.htm

I call this series of experiences a "synchronicity string."

I have studied the phenomena ever since I noticed the first "meaningful coincidence" back in the late 1980s. I have studied the phenomena in great detail for the last seven years.

My favorite synchronicities to study have been mathematical based synchronicities where events occur such that a synchronicity string has begun to develop where the string is pointed out to others so that third party testimony is available. And to add to that is when the string has begun, has been documented, has been observed and acknowledged by third parties and then additional synchronicities continue to occur which are observed by these same others.

I have a particularly profound one where the odds of the events that occurred after the foundational events have occurred, been observed and documented and then BAM, the wild synchronicities flared up... where the odds of the final event was a single, one chance in 133,225 possibilities.

I am hoping to be able to share this story one day.

[amor]

As I have reported here in the past, I have had two Demonic confrontations. One at the age of 24 and one around the age of 42/43. On both occasions, the indescribable horror of being confronted by abject, malignant EVIL completely outside of the realm of description or correspondence to any human experience produces INSTANT SHOCK, and in my case, my mind, involuntarily made the sign of the cross and cried out to the Lord whose response was instantaneous and successful. This was no concoction of my mind.

[DNA]

I had a discussion in person (physically face to face) in the early 1980's with a researcher who was highly respected, noteworthy and quite sincere, having had first hand contact with J. Allen Hynek. Dr. Josef Allen Hynek was an American astronomer, professor, and ufologist. He is perhaps best remembered for his UFO research.

This researcher was told by Hynek about the "dark side", or the demonic side, contrary to Greer's 'love and light candy' approach to ET's. Hynek relayed that the "phenomenon" was 3 fold - spiritual (demonic or angelic-like), physical ET's, and "unexplained". The 4th category was human development of captured crafts, or earth-developed. Hynek didn't clarify if inner-earth or moon-based or other planet solar system based was the case.

There was a brief discussion about "soul harvesting" in the spheroid craft.. Consider a human with a body is a formidable opponent. A soul captured and stored in ROM (read only memory), is a valuable tradeable commodity. Consider some of the "demonic" ET's to be soul harvesters 'profiting' for trade of "souls with unique experiences"..

I found the discussion interesting. It certainly won't stop me from heading back to the Roswell area (see my other posts about that in Disclosure), specifically around Dexter to see what I can 'dig' up :). Thanks for the thread Bill.


I've not seen too much discussion in connection to Bob Lazar's mention of "Project Yellowbook" a piece of literature he was exposed supposedly to while working at area 51/S4. This project yellowbook stated that there was a "soul harvester" on the moon. This from what I understand is where John Lear first was exposed to the idea of a soul harvester. Do you have any other information on this? My only source is John Lear talking about it in passing while in an interview.

[Bob]

I've had a discussion with Truman Cash on the 'soul harvesters'.. While in NY some years ago, I tried an experiment to see if they could be evoked. A meditation on an image of the Grim Reaper skeleton with the scythe called them in. A triangle craft that night appeared over the house. This image is close:


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/20/98/81/2098812750953ab949bb1e190104e712.jpg

The rv'ing was done with that (above-like-image) and focusing on an ancient cemetery in Brooklyn/Queens.. look at the density


https://static8.depositphotos.com/1512990/989/i/950/depositphotos_9893597-stock-photo-calvary-cemetery.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1388391340l/9393006.jpg

https://oceanofpdf.com/authors/nick-redfern/pdf-epub-final-events-and-the-secret-government-group-on-demonic-ufos-and-the-afterlife-download/

[onawah]

There is a correlation from a "Mystery School" perspective--Gurdjieff warned his students about becoming "food for the Moon".
Also parallels in the Gnostics' and Castenada's work.
Although those particular dots were connected on the forum before in other threads awhile ago.
It's good to have some new dots to connect.
See: https://thecasswiki.net/index.php?title=Food_for_the_Moon

"Food for the Moon" is one of the more troubling and less explained concepts of the Fourth Way.

In the Fourth Way cosmology, creation proceeds outward and downward from a central point, called Sun Absolute. Creation passes through multiple levels, known as cosmoi or worlds and finally reaches the level corresponding to Earth. Due to special cosmic circumstance , organic life on Earth is necessary for receiving this energy of creation and transforming this into a form that is passed further along, to "feed" the "Moon", which is said to be growing. All this is seen as a natural process where organic Earth life, including man, performs a function in a cosmic organism, a little like bacteria perform a function in the human digestive system. The fact of mankind collectively being required to produce certain 'vibrations' or 'energies' for serving various cosmic purposes is stressed throughout George Gurdjieff's Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson. So called planetary influences cause mankind to fight wars and endure cataclysms so that a certain quota of energy release be fulfilled and the "Moon fed".

Exactly what the Moon represents is not described in much detail. The food in question is described as vibrations generated by intense human experience, for example the experience of violent death. While being food is inescapable, man may still modulate the quality of his contribution to the cosmic demand of vibrations. With man being less and less conscious, nature found it necessary to substitute quantity for quality of vibrations, thus leading to population explosion and increased incidence of natural catastrophe and war.

"And so, my dear Hassein, when it appeared that the instinctive need for conscious labor and intentional suffering in order to be able to take in and transmute in themselves the sacred substances Abrustdonis and Helkdonis and thereby to liberate the sacred Askokin for the maintenance of the Moon and Anulios had finally disappeared from the psyche of your favorites, then Great Nature Herself was constrained to adapt Herself to extract this sacred substance by other means, one of which is precisely that periodic terrifying process there of reciprocal destruction."

– George Gurdjieff, Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson
Gurdjieff is not alone in proposing that man feeds something else. In the following we will make a quick tour of various other sources' take on the matter:

In archaic Christianity, in the the Gospel of Thomas we have:

(60) They saw a Samaritan carrying a lamb, who was going to Judaea. He said to his disciples: (What will) this man (do) with the lamb? They said to him: Kill it and eat it. He said to them: While it is alive he will not eat it, but (only) when he kills it (and) it becomes a corpse. They said to him: Otherwise he cannot do it. He said to them: You also, seek a place for yourselves in rest, that you may not become a corpse and be eaten.

This is at some variance with the theme of the good shepherd. This is understandable though, since the Nag Hammadi texts had not gone through the centuries of selective editing undergone by the rest of the Bible. Even so, this may be interpreted in countless allegoric ways. The core of the matter is that man is food only insofar he is "dead," which we may interpret as mechanical, without consciousness.

Carlos Castaneda, in his last book, The Active Side of Infinity, speaks of a cosmic predator that uses man as food: Man has a glowing coat of awareness which the predator eats, leaving just the bare minimum of "consciousness stuff" for man to remain physically alive. The predator "milks" man through arranging for constant trouble and crisis and senseless preoccupation, so as to generate flashes of awareness that it then proceeds to eat. "Seek a place for yourselves in rest" in Thomas above means, do not waste "soul stuff" for feeding the predator. In other words, do not react mechanically to whatever the world throws at you, or, yet in other words, "remember yourself."

Boris Mouravieff, drawing on Gurdjieff and possibly Eastern Orthodox monastic tradition, states the following:

"This task is crushing. Under normal conditions of peace, insufficient quantities of energy are transmitted to the Moon as a result of the work of human society and its surrounding fauna and flora. This necessitates interventions on the part of the Deuterocosmos, which provoke convulsions in the Tritocosmos. The aim of the latter is to increase the energy expended at this level, so as to ensure the nourishment and growth of that cosmic foetus that is the Tessaracosmos. This is, for example, the cosmic origin of wars and revolutions, of epidemics, and of all the other large-scale catastrophes that plague humanity. ... considerable conscious efforts must be made by exterior man on the esoteric plane before man can efficiently contribute as he must – by his own evolution – to the harmonious evolution of the System of Cosmoses."

The Gnostics, who also may have figured among Mouravieff's influences, maintained that the Earth and material creation in general were the product of an evil demiurge, chief of the "archons of darkness" or "princes of the air." Mouravieff calls this being or principle Absolute III and also indirectly identifies it as the Yahweh of the Old Testament, just as the Gnostics did. This Absolute III through various spirits plays humanity against itself as in a game of chess, with the effect of generating vibrations for "feeding the Moon."

Various modern channeled sources speak of man being a source of psychic food for various beings. They speak of this as they would of eating bread, as a most obvious state of matters. We'll take Barbara Marciniak's Bringers of the Dawn as an example:

"Consciousness vibrates, or can be led to vibrate, at certain electromagnetic frequencies. Electromagnetic energies of consciousness can be influenced to vibrate in a certain way to create a source of food. Just as apples can he prepared and eaten in a variety of ways, consciousness can be prepared and ingested in a variety of ways. Some entities, in the process of their own evolution, began to discover that as they created life and put consciousness into things through modulating the frequencies of forms of consciousness, they could feed themselves; they could keep themselves in charge. They began to Figure out that this is how Prime Creator nourished itself. Prime Creator sends out others to create an electromagnetic frequency of consciousness as a food source for itself. The new owners of this planet had a different appetite and different preferences than the former owners. They nourished themselves with chaos and fear. These things fed them, stimulated them, and kept them in power. These new owners who came here 300,000 years ago are the magnificent beings spoken of in your Bible, in the Babylonian and Sumerian tablets, and in texts all over the world. They came to Earth and rearranged the native human species. They rearranged your DNA in order to have you broadcast within a certain limited frequency band whose frequency could feed them and keep them in power."

The idea is in no wise new, but Marciniak is rather more blunt in talking about matters where Jesus, the Gnostics, Gurdjieff, Mouravieff and even Castaneda found it necessary to tread somewhat carefully.

Also at the modern end, we have the UFO phenomenon. To make sense of the abduction phenomenon we cannot very well claim that this were scientific research. This sounds rather more like a systematic exploitation or breeding program. The phenomenon appears to be partly physical, yet not entirely so. Jacques Vallee states:

"The UFO Phenomenon exists. It has been with us throughout history. It is physical in nature and it remains unexplained in terms of contemporary science. It represents a level of consciousness that we have not yet recognized, and which is able to manipulate dimensions beyond time and space as we understand them."

As concerns the idea of man being psychic and sometimes physical food, the reader may read up on the abduction phenomenon. This is, however, extremely confused and we may only say that this is not so by chance.

The practice of sacrifice to various gods goes throughout all ages. The sacrifice phenomenon goes from having a religiously flavored way to eat meat to complicated and ritually strict forms of human sacrifice. In the latter category, the practices of the Aztecs are informative. In Aztec Warfare, Western Warfare Richard Koenigsberg documents how it was a declared purpose of warfare to procure sacrificial victims for feeding the Sun god. The Western powers of WWI engaged in the precisely same activity, however more hypocritically: The author argues that the nations competed in which would sacrifice more young men, so that their blood would nourish the greatness of the nation. The name of the would-be god is changed but the idea remains. The trench battles of WWI were militarily extremely inefficient and costly in casualties. The Moon always makes a profit while the nations bleed. The Aztec's peculiarity was that this was openly recognized and they were willing participants in feeding a bloodthirsty god.

Even the most cursory review of diverse cultures and ages points to the theme of man being food. Indeed, this is hard to miss, once one looks. Still, this is the strictest taboo and object of denial, where materialistic man relegates this state of matters either into ignorant past or the fringe realm of cookery.

In modern popular culture, we have new renditions of the theme, maybe best exemplified by the The Matrix movies. This has a dual effect: On one hand, it creates an automatic association of the theme with the realm of science fiction, a time honored technique of dealing with anything troubling. On the other hand, it provides a modernized version of the ancient theme with at least a partly valid outline of the profile of the question. Thus, as with legend in general, these works speak at different levels to different audiences. Ignorance and denial cannot be overcome by force, thus for man to benefit from any such information there must exist a certain questing spirit. The impulse is generally beneficial but again can get diverted by too much identification with specifics of one story or hero.

The FOTCM understands that Gurdjieff in his day needed to have recourse to allegory and could not right out say that so-called aliens or fourth density service to self beings used humanity as a sort of natural resource, to be farmed and harvested and kept forever ignorant of their fate. The 'evil magician' parable in Ouspensky's In Search of the Miraculous comes very close to saying this explicitly, though. In present day popular culture, the The Matrix movies are another well known allegory for the same.

What to do about it? Gurdjieff devotes a whole chapter of Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson to the impossibility of any political solution to the scourge of war. History and present bear witness to the grim correctness of his views. Man should wake up and change. In Castaneda's words, man should no longer honor the contract binding him to the predator. But the predator is internal, as is Gurdjieff's mythical "organ kundabuffer." (See kundalini.) Such a revolution is in the first place internal, yet it does not necessarily take the form of political pacifism or any other -ism. The Gnostics' denouncing of the human condition cost them dearly. Gurdjieff may have taken the lesson of history to heart and refrained from including evil demiurges or bloodthirsty intrusive aliens into his cosmogony, because this would on one hand have invited even greater enmity against him, and secondly would have diverted attention from the central aspect of the problem: The evolution of man. The situation is not seen as a moralistic punishment for a fall of man. It is seen as a natural consequence of a state of being, just as it is a natural consequence of being a rabbit to sometimes get eaten by a fox. Freedom exists only on a vertical axis, where man may evolve "being" and thus escape certain otherwise inevitable laws. We might speak of outgrowing a spiritual-ecological niche or of not being "dead," as in the parable of the Gospel of Thomas.

Humanity as a whole cannot escape but groups of individuals can become aware of this situation and find an escape. This is exceedingly rare and the FOTCM understands such an escape to mean 'graduation to fourth density' or accomplishing the 'great work' of the alchemists.

Man's tendency to subjectivity and egocentrism serves to maintain this status quo.

Gurdjieff, as well as the Cassiopaeans, maintain that mankind was in its earliest history intentionally modified by other forces to become impervious to reality, in order to become useful as a tool. The specifics of the stories differ but the common thread is man's subjectivity and wishful thinking being an outside imposition, first genetically, then culturally enforced.

See also
Evil magician
Predator's mind
Alien abduction
Fall of man
Gnosticism

[pigsy2400]

What a fantastic repository of information regarding the Collins Elite here, thanks very much Bill.

I think this is very relevant now if you look at the interview with Ray Boeche back in 2007, who stated that there was a secret military program researching the phenomenon. It all links in with SWR, comments Bigelow has mentioned and the reason the AATIP/AAWSAP programs allegedly had their funding cut.

Alot of this comes full circle.. I will post in more detail later, but thank you for all the links....you have filled in some of the blanks that I was looking for..

[pigsy2400]

Hmmm...

it appears as though the fight for control of the "narrative" is truly underway......

is the new narrative "demonic" in nature......quite literally.

That seems to be the new Meme in Ufology at the moment, even those that are the biggest critics of places like TTSA et al do seem to be agreeing and contemplating this new (new to this generation at least) theory as an explanation for all things UAP.

SWR was just the first chapter.... I have a feeling that those other two events within Ufology will come to the fore again.

I also do not like at all, the effect and influence that Theosophy and Scientology have had on Ufology.... I would even stretch to the opinion that large parts of Modern Ufology is nothing but a product of these two schools of thought. The biggest proponents of these thought schools / religions (delete as appropriate) have managed to swerve the narrative in their favor and in their interests.

I predict, that we will have new videos in the new year....and that they will ramp up the interest in the very pillars of modern ufology to cement them for their cause..

The next few months will be very interesting indeed....

[Bill Ryan]

What a fantastic repository of information regarding the Collins Elite here, thanks very much Bill.

I think this is very relevant now if you look at the interview with Ray Boeche back in 2007, who stated that there was a secret military program researching the phenomenon. It all links in with SWR, comments Bigelow has mentioned and the reason the AATIP/AAWSAP programs allegedly had their funding cut.

A lot of this comes full circle.. I will post in more detail later, but thank you for all the links....you have filled in some of the blanks that I was looking for..

Yes, this is still relevant. There's an update interview here, of Ray Boeche and Nick Redfern by Linda Howe and John Burroughs, just a couple days ago. I've not yet listened to it (the video backlog problem!).

But they'll be talking about the recent revelation that even now, there's a faction within the DIA that's cautioning against (or maybe working proactively against) research into the Skinwalker Ranch phenomena, maintaining that it's a demonic infiltration into our reality that's being investigated, and therein would lie great danger.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGuwb95mgtI

[DNA]

https://oceanofpdf.com/authors/nick-redfern/pdf-epub-final-events-and-the-secret-government-group-on-demonic-ufos-and-the-afterlife-download/

https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1388391340l/9393006.jpg




That has got to be one of the most unnerving and diabolically scary book covers I have ever seen.

I will "choose" to believe that alien involvement has nothing to do with Satan or dark forces because, well, I'll just sleep better. :bearhug:

[Spellbound]

I quite agree that alien involvement has nothing to do with Satan (they are quite separate from each other, imo). That being said, I do think Satanism is a rampant worldwide issue, which in itself is rather disturbing.

Dave - Toronto

[Hazelfern]

What a fantastic repository of information regarding the Collins Elite here, thanks very much Bill.

I think this is very relevant now if you look at the interview with Ray Boeche back in 2007, who stated that there was a secret military program researching the phenomenon. It all links in with SWR, comments Bigelow has mentioned and the reason the AATIP/AAWSAP programs allegedly had their funding cut.

A lot of this comes full circle.. I will post in more detail later, but thank you for all the links....you have filled in some of the blanks that I was looking for..

Yes, this is still relevant. There's an update interview here, of Ray Boeche and Nick Redfern by Linda Howe and John Burroughs, just a couple days ago. I've not yet listened to it (the video backlog problem!).

But they'll be talking about the recent revelation that even now, there's a faction within the DIA that's cautioning against (or maybe working proactively against) research into the Skinwalker Ranch phenomena, maintaining that it's a demonic infiltration into our reality that's being investigated, and therein would lie great danger.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGuwb95mgtI

As I was listening to this podcast I wondered if religions, at least some, were formed to give humans with a soul a fighting chance when it is their time to cross over. Surely there must be some good guys in the human mix somewhere? That is a question about religions. Like people, some with good intensions, some empty vessels.
Linda, Nick Redfern, Pete Levenda, Dan Brown should collaborate and direct the new series.
Title?

[Spellbound]

Religion is a concept developed as a means to control the masses (and for profit and war).

Dave - Toronto

[Hazelfern]

Maybe, but outside of religion, who do we explain these NHE?

[Hazelfern]

https://oceanofpdf.com/authors/nick-redfern/pdf-epub-final-events-and-the-secret-government-group-on-demonic-ufos-and-the-afterlife-download/

https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1388391340l/9393006.jpg




That has got to be one of the most unnerving and diabolically scary book covers I have ever seen.

I will "choose" to believe that alien involvement has nothing to do with Satan or dark forces because, well, I'll just sleep better. :bearhug:

DNA - you are not one to back away from dark forces. Well, that's the way I 'see' you. Like a samurai, an expert in the righteous slaying of bad dudes.

[pigsy2400]

Explaining something that is unknown is difficult, as humans we only have our own experiences and things that we are taught or learn to make a comparison. If you were say, brought up a devout christian, you would look at these things as demonic / angelic. If you have been around Ufology for long enough, you would see flying discs, saucers, green men, MIB, greys etc.

We only have our own points of references and most importantly, Influences... to draw from.

What I find very useful, is to try and approach such matters from a liminal perspective. Don't expect anything, take other peoples theories on board and try and build your own framework of what feels right, what feels wrong and what can be proven and what cannot. But also remember there are things that cannot be proven or proved in most instances within this field.

I think looking at the origin of things is very insightful... you say the word "Alien" and what pops into your mind instantly?
Take that image and examine it and its origins... is it because you watched the original Alien film at the cinema at general release or is it the "Grey" that has infiltrated pop culture so hard over the last 30 years.

The greys.....as a concept, when was that first reported... what are the greys origins and I don't mean star system, when did they enter the mainstream school of thought? Was it Crowley's Lam? Was it Betty and Barney? Where is the origin of the grey story and by whom and what purpose? Was it genuine or not?

So many people ( i am not counting you in this) are so heavily influenced by things, that its difficult to parse the origins of things and memes. The book "The Grey's Have Been Framed" is an excellent book and I highly recommend it, that being said... that again is just an opinion as I have stated above.

Oh.....you were asking a question lol.... what is the NHEs?
No idea... lol

Apologies if I have been rambling...
:)

[Bill Ryan]

An interview with Ray Boeche by Erica Lukes, dated 29 Nov 2018:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSP4pP9LQV0

[Chester]

This is why there isn't disclosure. How do you tell the masses of humanity that humanity on Earth is under demonic attack and that some "apparent" "fellow humans" are under demonic control or are wittingly assisting.

The hybridization program suggests the goal is to modify the human vehicle to their liking and for eventual full possession. Lovely, eh?

[Chester]

This is an article I just discovered by Nick Redfern which features the Collins Elite in the book he wrote (which he points to in this article) Final Events

Read Here (https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2016/11/ufos-eschatology-demons-and-e-t/)

This ties to what I was suggesting in the post I made here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89951-Tom-DeLonge-TTSA-and-Sekret-Machines-Is-Disclosure-Going-Mainstream&p=1322034&viewfull=1#post1322034), which is (IMO) what Grant Cameron was touching on in the video I posted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89951-Tom-DeLonge-TTSA-and-Sekret-Machines-Is-Disclosure-Going-Mainstream&p=1322029&viewfull=1#post1322029).

[Bill Ryan]

:bump: :bump: :bump:

[ExomatrixTV]

I wrote this today:

🌐 tinyurl.com/UFO-Disclosure-Fears (http://tinyurl.com/UFO-Disclosure-Fears)

[amor]

I have difficulty starting a post on Avalon and must wait until the subject is being discussed to add my own contributions. (1) In the Bible, Revelations, it tells of a large CUBE 1500 miles cubed which will hover over Israel (?) and collect the Godly people. The light within will be the light of God. The entry on each side will be like a Pearl (an airlock design). There will be layers of rooms all around but one side will be open to the central light of God who dwells in the center. There will be layers of precious stones forming the foundation. This craft will leave Earth with the Blessed inside. Revelations also speaks about a Great Deception.

The following has occurred to me. The vast number of humans this craft would accommodate consists of a kidnap of humanity. If this is the great deception, it means that the end of those folks is going to be BAD. What occurred to me is the following. Why would all the compartments for people have one wall missing through which the light of "God" will shine 24 hrs. per day or always? Could this craft be transporting a being or energy source that sucks the souls of those on board right out of their bodies to keep this ALIEN ALIVE and/or power the craft??? How many times have civilizations vanished without trace from our and probably many other planets? Space Vampires can exist.

On the subject of aliens being Demonic, I have had two deadly frightening confrontations. In each one, I felt terror beyond description and the bastards were definitely Demons. I instantly called on the Lord who Instantly got me out of the experience. I believe the level of horror and terror and the sign of the cross is what brings the help of the Lord.

[Vicus]

Here ist the Nag Hamadi version of your thought:

The (First) Apocalypse of James
 
One translation can be found at http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/...
and also this Different Translation:
The Master said:
James, behold,
I shall reveal to you the path of your redemption. Whenever you are seized and
you undergo death-pangs (mortal fear), a multitude of Archons may turn on you,
thinking they can capture you. And in particular, three of them will seize you,
those who pose as toll collectors.
Not only do they demand toll, but they take away souls by theft.
Now, when you come under their power, one of them who is the overseer will say to you:"Who are you, and where are you from?"
You are then to say to him, "I am a child of humanity and I am from the Source."
He will then say to you, "What sort of child are you, and to what Source do you belong?"
You are to say to him, "I am from the pre-existent Source, and I am the offspring of the Source."
Then he will say to you, "Why were you sent out from the Source?"
Then you are to say to him, "I came from the Pre-existent One so that I might behold those of my kind and those who are alien."
And he will say to you, "What are these alien beings?"
You are to say to him: "They are not entirely alien, for they are from the Fallen Sophia (Achamoth), the female divinity who produced them when she brought the human race down from the Source, the realm
of the Pre-Existent One. So they are not entirely alien, but they are our kin. They are indeed so because she who is their matrix, Sophia Achamoth, is from the Source. At the same time they are alien because Sophia did not combine with
her like in the Source (her divine male counterpart), when she produced them."
When he also says to you, "Where will you go now?"
You are to say to him, "To the place when I came, the Source, there shall I return." And if you respond in this manner, you will escape their attacks. (NHC V, 3. 33 -34: 1- 25. Translation from NHLE 1990, pp. 265-6 and Kurt Rudolf, Gnosis, p.

[Parsi-X]

There is an excellent documentary by the Faull brothers on this topic.

[Sirus]

There is an excellent documentary by the Faull brothers on this topic.

Do you happen to have a link please?

[Parsi-X]

Here you go ;)

https://concen.org/content/higher-entities-lost-tapes-2019



There is an excellent documentary by the Faull brothers on this topic.

Do you happen to have a link please?

[Bill Ryan]

Here's a fascinating, detailed archive document which as best I can see contains all of Ray Boeche's correspondence with the Collins Elite, and maybe much more. It was uploaded in September 2020.


https://academia.edu/44080434/September_10_2020_Revision_Complete_Record_of_DOD_contacts

The PDF is 40 Mb, 131 pages of densely-packed information. I've not yet read it all, but it's very, very interesting. Some of it may be quite important. Just skimming the pages will give you an idea of the content.

It's a free download from academia.edu, but one has to register. It's also in the Avalon Library, here. :thumbsup:


https://avalonlibrary.net/Dr_Raymond_W_Boeche_Record_of_DoD_contacts_%28Sept_2020%29/September_10_2020_Revision_Complete_Record_of_DoD_contacts.pdf

https://avalonlibrary.net/Dr_Raymond_W_Boeche_Record_of_DoD_contacts_%28Sept_2020%29/September_10_2020_Revision_Complete_Record_of_DoD_contacts.pdf

[Chester]

:bump: :bump: :bump:

Yep... bumpity bump.

[Pam]

This is why there isn't disclosure. How do you tell the masses of humanity that humanity on Earth is under demonic attack and that some "apparent" "fellow humans" are under demonic control or are wittingly assisting.

The hybridization program suggests the goal is to modify the human vehicle to their liking and for eventual full possession. Lovely, eh?

That's about it, in a nutshell Chester. With the help of a little graphene and some 5g we might be off to the races...

[Chester]

This is why there isn't disclosure. How do you tell the masses of humanity that humanity on Earth is under demonic attack and that some "apparent" "fellow humans" are under demonic control or are wittingly assisting.

The hybridization program suggests the goal is to modify the human vehicle to their liking and for eventual full possession. Lovely, eh?

That's about it, in a nutshell Chester. With the help of a little graphene and some 5g we might be off to the races...

The working hypothesis that dominates my thoughts these days is something I am finding "hard to share." My hesitancy is related to this strange experience I have where, when I concretize something, even if I simply characterize it as nothing but "imagination," "it" seems to come to life. I say this specifically in relation to the purported "operational primary considerations for conclusion" of the Collins Elite."

Let me try to make this more clear.

It is not that I "imagine something" and it manifests. It is more like, I imagine "something" along the lines of a scene in a theatrical performance that pulls forth from popular "archetypal dramatic dynamics" and then what seems to happen is that something soon emerges which a.) resembles the same overall dramatic scenario or has such a synchronistic and metaphorical connection to key elements of the dramatic scenario but b.) takes it more and more steps further and c.) provides all sorts of evidence that it has somehow 'come to life'and d.) seems to demonstrate degrees of intensity which I am able to raise or lower by way of how much attention I put on "it" and how excited I get in the experience of "it."

In fact, the last Stephen King novel I ever read was, in fact, "It." It seems that's all I needed to read to understand the deeper nature of what is being presented here on this lovely, dare I say, haunted planet.

Yep - that's exactly how I view it here now on Earth... the whole entire cosmic hurling mass of materiality is a home for not just the life that springs forth and experiential to one or more of the five senses, but a wealth of life beyond that tiny bandwidth where some of that 'life beyond' seems quite focused on stirring up the emotions of at least plenty of us humans as if that emotional energetic output can be experienced as well by others anchored in regions of that extended reality.

And the larger paradigm (a very key "word" - "paradigm") is filled with all sorts of types and groups of beings - conscious agents just like us, just like other forms of life with which we share this planet and who may (as I like to assume "a human" does) is experience "themselves" on multiple planes of being, simultaneously... some call this "multi-dimensionality." I prefer to use the terms "zones" or "regions" within greater reality as dimensionality is too easily deconstructed by those who of a physicalist bent.

[Journeyman]

This is why there isn't disclosure. How do you tell the masses of humanity that humanity on Earth is under demonic attack and that some "apparent" "fellow humans" are under demonic control or are wittingly assisting.

The hybridization program suggests the goal is to modify the human vehicle to their liking and for eventual full possession. Lovely, eh?

That's about it, in a nutshell Chester. With the help of a little graphene and some 5g we might be off to the races...

The working hypothesis that dominates my thoughts these days is something I am finding "hard to share." My hesitancy is related to this strange experience I have where, when I concretize something, even if I simply characterize it as nothing but "imagination," "it" seems to come to life. I say this specifically in relation to the purported "operational primary considerations for conclusion" of the Collins Elite."

Let me try to make this more clear.

It is not that I "imagine something" and it manifests. It is more like, I imagine "something" along the lines of a scene in a theatrical performance that pulls forth from popular "archetypal dramatic dynamics" and then what seems to happen is that something soon emerges which a.) resembles the same overall dramatic scenario or has such a synchronistic and metaphorical connection to key elements of the dramatic scenario but b.) takes it more and more steps further and c.) provides all sorts of evidence that it has somehow 'come to life'and d.) seems to demonstrate degrees of intensity which I am able to raise or lower by way of how much attention I put on "it" and how excited I get in the experience of "it."

In fact, the last Stephen King novel I ever read was, in fact, "It." It seems that's all I needed to read to understand the deeper nature of what is being presented here on this lovely, dare I say, haunted planet.

Yep - that's exactly how I view it here now on Earth... the whole entire cosmic hurling mass of materiality is a home for not just the life that springs forth and experiential to one or more of the five senses, but a wealth of life beyond that tiny bandwidth where some of that 'life beyond' seems quite focused on stirring up the emotions of at least plenty of us humans as if that emotional energetic output can be experienced as well by others anchored in regions of that extended reality.

And the larger paradigm (a very key "word" - "paradigm") is filled with all sorts of types and groups of beings - conscious agents just like us, just like other forms of life with which we share this planet and who may (as I like to assume "a human" does) is experience "themselves" on multiple planes of being, simultaneously... some call this "multi-dimensionality." I prefer to use the terms "zones" or "regions" within greater reality as dimensionality is too easily deconstructed by those who of a physicalist bent.

That is very close to my experience, albeit I read plenty of King novels after 'It'... I found myself wondering if the entire vaccines debate is itself the objective, not the physical getting the shots into people, but the metaphysical duality play that it represents. If you think about how cartoon villain they've been at times with the disappearing nurse or the injections for politicians clearly not making contact with the skin, to say nothing of 'Luciferase' or the 666 references on patents. All straight from a B movie horror script, it's as if they want to stir up fear and apprehension within a certain section of the populace, just as they want to stir up resentment and fear of 'antivaxxers' amongst the rest.

[Chester]

I want to add the following as it is important to me that considerations of others in relation to "how I might view all this" doesn't become errant speculation.

I am fascinated by "it." I have very little clue as to "its" deeper nature. I suspect that "it" is in a sort of "symbiotic relationship" with "sentient conscious beings" and that perhaps "it" focuses more of "its" attention towards more complex sentient individuated expressions of being as the relationship would produce more interesting dynamics.

There are some philosophical world views that may accompany my most current speculations. And though they are not exactly the same, these two are quite similar to each other -

Dual Aspect Monism

Neutral Monism

I have this quote from Jeffrey Kripal extracted from an AMA I attended which helped my understanding of Dual Aspect Monism -

Jeffrey Kriplal: "Dual-aspect monism is essentially the position that reality is neither mental nor material. Deep down, it’s both.

When, however, it manifests “up here” on the level of human experience with a brain, a body, a socialized ego, and all of the things we are, this one world splits into two dimensions. Now there’s a mental world that we seem to inhabit as an ego or a psyche, and there’s a material world of objects and all of the things around us. But, in fact, or in dual aspect monism, these two dimensions are really the same world.

They’ve just been split off of this deeper structure or level of reality. We call it dual aspect monism because it’s epistemologically dual and ontologically monistic.”

And so... in consideration of the world view, dual aspect monism, "it" is ourselves (meaning our deepest selves and perhaps "self") whereby the form "it" manifests is entirely co-dependent upon this aspect of ourselves we might call "the experiential self."

In many of the "mind technology" thought systems (deep metaphysics), "the individual" is treated as separate from the rest of greater reality while simultaneously (and paradoxically) not separate at all. Once one gets past the paradox, one can embrace 'their separate self' and take personal responsibility for that 'self' while simultaneously embracing 'oneness.' I find this to be quite a healthy foundational operational world view from which my most primary operational protocols arise.

I have never enjoyed life more this lifetime.

[Pam]

This is why there isn't disclosure. How do you tell the masses of humanity that humanity on Earth is under demonic attack and that some "apparent" "fellow humans" are under demonic control or are wittingly assisting.

The hybridization program suggests the goal is to modify the human vehicle to their liking and for eventual full possession. Lovely, eh?

That's about it, in a nutshell Chester. With the help of a little graphene and some 5g we might be off to the races...

The working hypothesis that dominates my thoughts these days is something I am finding "hard to share." My hesitancy is related to this strange experience I have where, when I concretize something, even if I simply characterize it as nothing but "imagination," "it" seems to come to life. I say this specifically in relation to the purported "operational primary considerations for conclusion" of the Collins Elite."

Let me try to make this more clear.

It is not that I "imagine something" and it manifests. It is more like, I imagine "something" along the lines of a scene in a theatrical performance that pulls forth from popular "archetypal dramatic dynamics" and then what seems to happen is that something soon emerges which a.) resembles the same overall dramatic scenario or has such a synchronistic and metaphorical connection to key elements of the dramatic scenario but b.) takes it more and more steps further and c.) provides all sorts of evidence that it has somehow 'come to life'and d.) seems to demonstrate degrees of intensity which I am able to raise or lower by way of how much attention I put on "it" and how excited I get in the experience of "it."

In fact, the last Stephen King novel I ever read was, in fact, "It." It seems that's all I needed to read to understand the deeper nature of what is being presented here on this lovely, dare I say, haunted planet.

Yep - that's exactly how I view it here now on Earth... the whole entire cosmic hurling mass of materiality is a home for not just the life that springs forth and experiential to one or more of the five senses, but a wealth of life beyond that tiny bandwidth where some of that 'life beyond' seems quite focused on stirring up the emotions of at least plenty of us humans as if that emotional energetic output can be experienced as well by others anchored in regions of that extended reality.

And the larger paradigm (a very key "word" - "paradigm") is filled with all sorts of types and groups of beings - conscious agents just like us, just like other forms of life with which we share this planet and who may (as I like to assume "a human" does) is experience "themselves" on multiple planes of being, simultaneously... some call this "multi-dimensionality." I prefer to use the terms "zones" or "regions" within greater reality as dimensionality is too easily deconstructed by those who of a physicalist bent.

Chester, I have mentioned a couple times on this forum that I have been having very strange experiences. In fact, I have even stated on this forum that I reserve the right to be batshiiit crazy. That is because the events have made me question my sanity because they are so surreal.

The absolute strangeness is that I too, am experiencing exactly you have so beautifully described...I can't tell you what a relief, what an absolute relief it is to hear someone describe it. I am creating reality with my mind. There, I said it. Not drunk, not high, not in some weird emotional state. I am noticing the experience in the material world is manifesting quicker and quicker.

I feel like I became acutely aware of it after the Covid debacle, where I was leading the life of essentially a hermit. Not entirely without human companionship, but it was drastically reduced and it wasn't that much in the first place. The distractions were removed and thus my ability to avoid cause and effect. I have not managed , or really even attempted to manifest this occurance in a controlled fashion, but I am working towards that. The events occur only with though, emotion and a strong visualization or some sensory response to that thought. Thank you for your post, you have given me great relief.

I am going to go back a really take a look at this thread. The frequency or resonance or whatever it is ....it's progressing and certain elements know this and they really, really do not want us to do that.

I am having experiences as well with some sort of interdimensional beings, and I don't think they are very fond of me. At least I think that's what it is. Just yesterday the dogs and I were quietly sitting in another room. Suddenly there is a huge sound. A picture that was firmly on the wall seems to have been thrown about 6 feet from it's original location on the wall. I was sure we must have had a significant earthquake, but their was not one. Their was no vibration going on at that time. NO movement in the house. Another picture was dramatically tilted. There may be a logical interpretation for it, but I can't find it and I looked. Go figure.

I am not prone to woo woo stuff, but I am also able to try to look at things squarely. Things just aren't the way they seem, it's chilling but also very interesting.

[Chester]

@Pam I hope you read this before you investigate my posts in this thread (from years ago). In addition, I have to further clarify my views as there could be quite a difference in where I am at with it all right now and where you are at in your own journey (right now as well).

My most latest post describes operational provisional conclusions that are quite different (and far more optimistic) than those which could be interpreted by a reader as "dark" in my earlier posts on this thread as well as elsewhere in this forum and other online venues.

My most latest view focuses most importantly on "the importance of operating under the recognition of one's own personal responsibility in relation to the greater reality experienced by all others" which I currently hold to be "the key to everything."

That "outer reality" as it unfolds in real-time seems to be so uncannily reflective of my "inner world" has led me to explore even more deeply the nature of this type of experience. And one of the key "things" I have extracted from this exploration is that it is probably very important that I do not allow this experience to lead me into a conclusion "I am creating the grand reality" per se, but instead, consider that I am influencing the grand (shared) reality as it arise to express itself as if "it" and "myself" are in a symbiotic relationship where "it" communicates this to me and I "feed" it by my experience of "wow."

So, from this perspective, I am indeed in a co-creative relationship with "the reality as it arises" yet, this "reality as it arises" is an extremely personal form of manifestation of that greater reality. My point here is that though I might take this "talent" and strive to perform "practical magical operations" (and, of course, this can include "magickal" for those who need to read a Crowleyian reference") I have chosen not to pursue that particular activity because, frankly, I do not wish to tease the ever present "ego-monster" I currently hold rather well at bay.

I hope this post is helpful, Pam.

[Chester]

This is why there isn't disclosure. How do you tell the masses of humanity that humanity on Earth is under demonic attack and that some "apparent" "fellow humans" are under demonic control or are wittingly assisting.

The hybridization program suggests the goal is to modify the human vehicle to their liking and for eventual full possession. Lovely, eh?

That's about it, in a nutshell Chester. With the help of a little graphene and some 5g we might be off to the races...

The working hypothesis that dominates my thoughts these days is something I am finding "hard to share." My hesitancy is related to this strange experience I have where, when I concretize something, even if I simply characterize it as nothing but "imagination," "it" seems to come to life. I say this specifically in relation to the purported "operational primary considerations for conclusion" of the Collins Elite."

Let me try to make this more clear.

It is not that I "imagine something" and it manifests. It is more like, I imagine "something" along the lines of a scene in a theatrical performance that pulls forth from popular "archetypal dramatic dynamics" and then what seems to happen is that something soon emerges which a.) resembles the same overall dramatic scenario or has such a synchronistic and metaphorical connection to key elements of the dramatic scenario but b.) takes it more and more steps further and c.) provides all sorts of evidence that it has somehow 'come to life'and d.) seems to demonstrate degrees of intensity which I am able to raise or lower by way of how much attention I put on "it" and how excited I get in the experience of "it."

In fact, the last Stephen King novel I ever read was, in fact, "It." It seems that's all I needed to read to understand the deeper nature of what is being presented here on this lovely, dare I say, haunted planet.

Yep - that's exactly how I view it here now on Earth... the whole entire cosmic hurling mass of materiality is a home for not just the life that springs forth and experiential to one or more of the five senses, but a wealth of life beyond that tiny bandwidth where some of that 'life beyond' seems quite focused on stirring up the emotions of at least plenty of us humans as if that emotional energetic output can be experienced as well by others anchored in regions of that extended reality.

And the larger paradigm (a very key "word" - "paradigm") is filled with all sorts of types and groups of beings - conscious agents just like us, just like other forms of life with which we share this planet and who may (as I like to assume "a human" does) is experience "themselves" on multiple planes of being, simultaneously... some call this "multi-dimensionality." I prefer to use the terms "zones" or "regions" within greater reality as dimensionality is too easily deconstructed by those who of a physicalist bent.

That is very close to my experience, albeit I read plenty of King novels after 'It'... I found myself wondering if the entire vaccines debate is itself the objective, not the physical getting the shots into people, but the metaphysical duality play that it represents. If you think about how cartoon villain they've been at times with the disappearing nurse or the injections for politicians clearly not making contact with the skin, to say nothing of 'Luciferase' or the 666 references on patents. All straight from a B movie horror script, it's as if they want to stir up fear and apprehension within a certain section of the populace, just as they want to stir up resentment and fear of 'antivaxxers' amongst the rest.

I feel your post here is brilliant in its observations and provisional assertions. Good work, Journeyman.

[wegge]

Into this stoking the flames of fear also plays this subtly infused narrative that the vaxxed may shed something, and then the unvaxxed also turn into the vaxxed, straight out of a zombie narrative!

[Pam]

This is why there isn't disclosure. How do you tell the masses of humanity that humanity on Earth is under demonic attack and that some "apparent" "fellow humans" are under demonic control or are wittingly assisting.

The hybridization program suggests the goal is to modify the human vehicle to their liking and for eventual full possession. Lovely, eh?

That's about it, in a nutshell Chester. With the help of a little graphene and some 5g we might be off to the races...

The working hypothesis that dominates my thoughts these days is something I am finding "hard to share." My hesitancy is related to this strange experience I have where, when I concretize something, even if I simply characterize it as nothing but "imagination," "it" seems to come to life. I say this specifically in relation to the purported "operational primary considerations for conclusion" of the Collins Elite."

Let me try to make this more clear.

It is not that I "imagine something" and it manifests. It is more like, I imagine "something" along the lines of a scene in a theatrical performance that pulls forth from popular "archetypal dramatic dynamics" and then what seems to happen is that something soon emerges which a.) resembles the same overall dramatic scenario or has such a synchronistic and metaphorical connection to key elements of the dramatic scenario but b.) takes it more and more steps further and c.) provides all sorts of evidence that it has somehow 'come to life'and d.) seems to demonstrate degrees of intensity which I am able to raise or lower by way of how much attention I put on "it" and how excited I get in the experience of "it."

In fact, the last Stephen King novel I ever read was, in fact, "It." It seems that's all I needed to read to understand the deeper nature of what is being presented here on this lovely, dare I say, haunted planet.

Yep - that's exactly how I view it here now on Earth... the whole entire cosmic hurling mass of materiality is a home for not just the life that springs forth and experiential to one or more of the five senses, but a wealth of life beyond that tiny bandwidth where some of that 'life beyond' seems quite focused on stirring up the emotions of at least plenty of us humans as if that emotional energetic output can be experienced as well by others anchored in regions of that extended reality.

And the larger paradigm (a very key "word" - "paradigm") is filled with all sorts of types and groups of beings - conscious agents just like us, just like other forms of life with which we share this planet and who may (as I like to assume "a human" does) is experience "themselves" on multiple planes of being, simultaneously... some call this "multi-dimensionality." I prefer to use the terms "zones" or "regions" within greater reality as dimensionality is too easily deconstructed by those who of a physicalist bent.

That is very close to my experience, albeit I read plenty of King novels after 'It'... I found myself wondering if the entire vaccines debate is itself the objective, not the physical getting the shots into people, but the metaphysical duality play that it represents. If you think about how cartoon villain they've been at times with the disappearing nurse or the injections for politicians clearly not making contact with the skin, to say nothing of 'Luciferase' or the 666 references on patents. All straight from a B movie horror script, it's as if they want to stir up fear and apprehension within a certain section of the populace, just as they want to stir up resentment and fear of 'antivaxxers' amongst the rest.

Journeyman, do you feel that the great amount of cognitive dissonance is a factor in the metaphysical duality play we are experiencing. It seems that the tendency of humanity to hold on to all sorts of denial is counteracted with more and more absurdity making it almost comical to watch those that stubbornly hold on to this as a solid, viable reality?. In the past I looked at it as a mockery and ridicule of the overlords, but maybe it is more the natural evolution of things? Just thinking out loud.

I agree, so much of this whole vaccine scenario has a cheap production quality to it that seems intentional? Actually I started to notice the whole prequel to to it in the US, the Trump saga and the response to Trump reminded me of one of the original Batman or Superman movies-I am referring to the government "officials" in particular. Yet, at the same time, those that dare to look, especially those that had believed in this whole reality, hook line and sinker and see something is so wrong, those people shine. I think of Dr. McCullough as an example. Maybe the point is the exaggeration?

I hope this is not too off topic.

[Pam]

@Pam I hope you read this before you investigate my posts in this thread (from years ago). In addition, I have to further clarify my views as there could be quite a difference in where I am at with it all right now and where you are at in your own journey (right now as well).

My most latest post describes operational provisional conclusions that are quite different (and far more optimistic) than those which could be interpreted by a reader as "dark" in my earlier posts on this thread as well as elsewhere in this forum and other online venues.

My most latest view focuses most importantly on "the importance of operating under the recognition of one's own personal responsibility in relation to the greater reality experienced by all others" which I currently hold to be "the key to everything."

That "outer reality" as it unfolds in real-time seems to be so uncannily reflective of my "inner world" has led me to explore even more deeply the nature of this type of experience. And one of the key "things" I have extracted from this exploration is that it is probably very important that I do not allow this experience to lead me into a conclusion "I am creating the grand reality" per se, but instead, consider that I am influencing the grand (shared) reality as it arise to express itself as if "it" and "myself" are in a symbiotic relationship where "it" communicates this to me and I "feed" it by my experience of "wow."

So, from this perspective, I am indeed in a co-creative relationship with "the reality as it arises" yet, this "reality as it arises" is an extremely personal form of manifestation of that greater reality. My point here is that though I might take this "talent" and strive to perform "practical magical operations" (and, of course, this can include "magickal" for those who need to read a Crowleyian reference") I have chosen not to pursue that particular activity because, frankly, I do not wish to tease the ever present "ego-monster" I currently hold rather well at bay.

I hope this post is helpful, Pam.

I see what is happening in my experience as simply adding to the algorithm of the composite experience. I am not wild about that description but I don't have a lot of experience talking about this stuff so I articulate as best I can.

When I was looking desperately for an explanation of what was happening to me I came upon the book "Reality Transurfing Steps 1-4" Although quite lengthy, I feel there is so much truth. I always used to scoff a bit at the new age saying that man is multidimensional. Now I am really starting to get it. At least at some level.

I would also like to add that my experience only became open to me after a huge purge of cognitive dissonance that I had been holding as it was quite painful to bring to the conscious level. The purge came after a traumatic event. I have had this happen before, but this was a large purge.

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Into this stoking the flames of fear also plays this subtly infused narrative that the vaxxed may shed something, and then the unvaxxed also turn into the vaxxed, straight out of a zombie narrative!

I so strongly see a zombie narrative in our future. In our history, it seems we always have to have an enemy. Whether, racial, ethnic or in this case unvaxxed there always has to be an enemy. Why do you think that is?

[Pam]

This is why there isn't disclosure. How do you tell the masses of humanity that humanity on Earth is under demonic attack and that some "apparent" "fellow humans" are under demonic control or are wittingly assisting.

The hybridization program suggests the goal is to modify the human vehicle to their liking and for eventual full possession. Lovely, eh?

That's about it, in a nutshell Chester. With the help of a little graphene and some 5g we might be off to the races...

The working hypothesis that dominates my thoughts these days is something I am finding "hard to share." My hesitancy is related to this strange experience I have where, when I concretize something, even if I simply characterize it as nothing but "imagination," "it" seems to come to life. I say this specifically in relation to the purported "operational primary considerations for conclusion" of the Collins Elite."

Let me try to make this more clear.

It is not that I "imagine something" and it manifests. It is more like, I imagine "something" along the lines of a scene in a theatrical performance that pulls forth from popular "archetypal dramatic dynamics" and then what seems to happen is that something soon emerges which a.) resembles the same overall dramatic scenario or has such a synchronistic and metaphorical connection to key elements of the dramatic scenario but b.) takes it more and more steps further and c.) provides all sorts of evidence that it has somehow 'come to life'and d.) seems to demonstrate degrees of intensity which I am able to raise or lower by way of how much attention I put on "it" and how excited I get in the experience of "it."

In fact, the last Stephen King novel I ever read was, in fact, "It." It seems that's all I needed to read to understand the deeper nature of what is being presented here on this lovely, dare I say, haunted planet.

Yep - that's exactly how I view it here now on Earth... the whole entire cosmic hurling mass of materiality is a home for not just the life that springs forth and experiential to one or more of the five senses, but a wealth of life beyond that tiny bandwidth where some of that 'life beyond' seems quite focused on stirring up the emotions of at least plenty of us humans as if that emotional energetic output can be experienced as well by others anchored in regions of that extended reality.

And the larger paradigm (a very key "word" - "paradigm") is filled with all sorts of types and groups of beings - conscious agents just like us, just like other forms of life with which we share this planet and who may (as I like to assume "a human" does) is experience "themselves" on multiple planes of being, simultaneously... some call this "multi-dimensionality." I prefer to use the terms "zones" or "regions" within greater reality as dimensionality is too easily deconstructed by those who of a physicalist bent.

Chester, I have mentioned a couple times on this forum that I have been having very strange experiences. In fact, I have even stated on this forum that I reserve the right to be batshiiit crazy. That is because the events have made me question my sanity because they are so surreal.

The absolute strangeness is that I too, am experiencing exactly you have so beautifully described...I can't tell you what a relief, what an absolute relief it is to hear someone describe it. I am creating reality with my mind. There, I said it. Not drunk, not high, not in some weird emotional state. I am noticing the experience in the material world is manifesting quicker and quicker.

I feel like I became acutely aware of it after the Covid debacle, where I was leading the life of essentially a hermit. Not entirely without human companionship, but it was drastically reduced and it wasn't that much in the first place. The distractions were removed and thus my ability to avoid cause and effect. I have not managed , or really even attempted to manifest this occurance in a controlled fashion, but I am working towards that. The events occur only with though, emotion and a strong visualization or some sensory response to that thought. Thank you for your post, you have given me great relief.

I am going to go back a really take a look at this thread. The frequency or resonance or whatever it is ....it's progressing and certain elements know this and they really, really do not want us to do that.

I am having experiences as well with some sort of interdimensional beings, and I don't think they are very fond of me. At least I think that's what it is. Just yesterday the dogs and I were quietly sitting in another room. Suddenly there is a huge sound. A picture that was firmly on the wall seems to have been thrown about 6 feet from it's original location on the wall. I was sure we must have had a significant earthquake, but their was not one. Their was no vibration going on at that time. NO movement in the house. Another picture was dramatically tilted. There may be a logical interpretation for it, but I can't find it and I looked. Go figure.

I am not prone to woo woo stuff, but I am also able to try to look at things squarely. Things just aren't the way they seem, it's chilling but also very interesting.



When I wrote the above post, I was going to share my lasted experiences with reality molding through thought, but I thought it too much for this thread. After walking down stairs I have decided to post it.

Here are the experiences of the most recent events I have observed. I have always had an extreme discomfort with the predator -prey aspect of this planet. I have a huge aversion to the suffering of others ,particularly children and animals or any living thing. I have a hard time living on my small farm because I don't like accidentally killing anything, including worms, snails and other tiny critters. I call it pathological empathy because I realize it is mentally unbalanced, yet my intentions are for respect of all life forms but it causes me a huge amount of psychic pain.

I went to a large, busy store early in the very early morning several days ago. I walked across the roadway at the front parking lot that would be very busy shortly. There was a baby bird that had fallen out of the nest, yet it's mother was there with it. It was a fledgling and was almost ready to fly. I didn't know what to do. I was concerned it would get run over. I called my sister who is a veterinarian and she said it would be able to fly within a couple of days. I decided to take it home out of the danger of traffic and I would keep it in a safe environment and feed it till it could fly. I could not get the baby to eat or take fluids. I ended up calling a wildlife counselor who instructed me to take it back to where I found it and see if the mother was still there. She was still there looking for her baby after 5 hours. The fledgling had not eaten all that time. I built a nest and found a small treed area, making sure the mother was aware and left the baby there. I was disgusted with myself afterward for intervening and obsessively thought about it and the harshness of life in nature. I created a mental state of angst, depression and despair.

The next time I go outside to work I am confronted by the very ugly site of a slug eating a living snail. Immediately, I hear very low squaking over head and an eagle is carrying a heavy burden or prey directly over my head, so heavy that it couldn't fly at it's usual altitude. All of this seemed so ugly to me at the time that I decided to go inside. I go inside and look outside to see a cat tearing apart it's prey right by the window.

Now for the oddest thing of all. I just went downstairs. There was huge banging.
I looked around and there was a bird at the window fluttering against the glass of a huge window in the dining room area. My immediate thought was that it hit the window and couldn't fly. Then I realized it was in the house. It was flying against the window to get out of the house. There is absolutely no way that I could find that the bird could get in my house. No open windows, no open fireplace, no doors open. The dogs were asleep and neither brought a bird in. I captured the bird with a towel and released it and it easily flew away, it was not injured in any way.

[Chester]

When I wrote the above post, I was going to share my lasted experiences with reality molding through thought, but I thought it too much for this thread. After walking down stairs I have decided to post it.


YES! I am so glad you did - wow!

I share some of the same ponderings which I regard as dilemmas. I have, recently, struggled with "mother nature" herself. Nature seems so cruel. In fact, the whole universe seems to be nothing but the consumer and the consumed where ultimately a black hole seems to swallow everything up, even light.

But though I am in this world, IMO, I am not of it. And I operate under the assumption that what is true for me may be true for others and that is my hope for all others. This world does not "consume" us lest we wish, at every level of our being, to be wholly devoured, right? Well, that's my hope... at least for now.

Thanks for your share... I love the honesty and how you reflected upon the potential "dark" aspects of trying to "save" the baby bird and yet observing animals consuming other animals... And then, the strange bird trying to escape "your home" where you have no clue how the bird even got in there!

[Journeyman]

This is why there isn't disclosure. How do you tell the masses of humanity that humanity on Earth is under demonic attack and that some "apparent" "fellow humans" are under demonic control or are wittingly assisting.

The hybridization program suggests the goal is to modify the human vehicle to their liking and for eventual full possession. Lovely, eh?

That's about it, in a nutshell Chester. With the help of a little graphene and some 5g we might be off to the races...

The working hypothesis that dominates my thoughts these days is something I am finding "hard to share." My hesitancy is related to this strange experience I have where, when I concretize something, even if I simply characterize it as nothing but "imagination," "it" seems to come to life. I say this specifically in relation to the purported "operational primary considerations for conclusion" of the Collins Elite."

Let me try to make this more clear.

It is not that I "imagine something" and it manifests. It is more like, I imagine "something" along the lines of a scene in a theatrical performance that pulls forth from popular "archetypal dramatic dynamics" and then what seems to happen is that something soon emerges which a.) resembles the same overall dramatic scenario or has such a synchronistic and metaphorical connection to key elements of the dramatic scenario but b.) takes it more and more steps further and c.) provides all sorts of evidence that it has somehow 'come to life'and d.) seems to demonstrate degrees of intensity which I am able to raise or lower by way of how much attention I put on "it" and how excited I get in the experience of "it."

In fact, the last Stephen King novel I ever read was, in fact, "It." It seems that's all I needed to read to understand the deeper nature of what is being presented here on this lovely, dare I say, haunted planet.

Yep - that's exactly how I view it here now on Earth... the whole entire cosmic hurling mass of materiality is a home for not just the life that springs forth and experiential to one or more of the five senses, but a wealth of life beyond that tiny bandwidth where some of that 'life beyond' seems quite focused on stirring up the emotions of at least plenty of us humans as if that emotional energetic output can be experienced as well by others anchored in regions of that extended reality.

And the larger paradigm (a very key "word" - "paradigm") is filled with all sorts of types and groups of beings - conscious agents just like us, just like other forms of life with which we share this planet and who may (as I like to assume "a human" does) is experience "themselves" on multiple planes of being, simultaneously... some call this "multi-dimensionality." I prefer to use the terms "zones" or "regions" within greater reality as dimensionality is too easily deconstructed by those who of a physicalist bent.

That is very close to my experience, albeit I read plenty of King novels after 'It'... I found myself wondering if the entire vaccines debate is itself the objective, not the physical getting the shots into people, but the metaphysical duality play that it represents. If you think about how cartoon villain they've been at times with the disappearing nurse or the injections for politicians clearly not making contact with the skin, to say nothing of 'Luciferase' or the 666 references on patents. All straight from a B movie horror script, it's as if they want to stir up fear and apprehension within a certain section of the populace, just as they want to stir up resentment and fear of 'antivaxxers' amongst the rest.

Journeyman, do you feel that the great amount of cognitive dissonance is a factor in the metaphysical duality play we are experiencing. It seems that the tendency of humanity to hold on to all sorts of denial is counteracted with more and more absurdity making it almost comical to watch those that stubbornly hold on to this as a solid, viable reality?. In the past I looked at it as a mockery and ridicule of the overlords, but maybe it is more the natural evolution of things? Just thinking out loud.

I agree, so much of this whole vaccine scenario has a cheap production quality to it that seems intentional? Actually I started to notice the whole prequel to to it in the US, the Trump saga and the response to Trump reminded me of one of the original Batman or Superman movies-I am referring to the government "officials" in particular. Yet, at the same time, those that dare to look, especially those that had believed in this whole reality, hook line and sinker and see something is so wrong, those people shine. I think of Dr. McCullough as an example. Maybe the point is the exaggeration?

I hope this is not too off topic.

Sorry for the late reply to your post Pam. It got me thinking. In fact I've continued to think about it, so much so that I tried posting this reply a couple of times and put it off as I was thinking some more! Not that I want to build this answer into something it won't be, but suffice to say I think it's an important question.

There's an article here on the pandemic and cognitive dissonance which has a lot of truth in it:

https://liberopensare.com/so-everyone-does/

Lot's of amazing Steiner quotes within:

“Those who desire to work in this way are always concerned, not to stimulate just one stream but to make sure that one stream is always crossed by another, so that they influence each other in some way. Not much is achieved by simply running straight ahead with a single stream. It is necessary sometimes to throw a sidelight on this stream so that certain things become confused, so that certain tracks are covered up, and other things are lost in an impenetrable thicket.

This is very important. Thus it comes about that certain secret streams which have set themselves some task or other also set about achieving the exact opposite. These opposing tasks have the effect of
obliterating all tracks“.
Rudolf Steiner, Dornach, 9th December 1916 (GA173)

and this statement which seems apt:

'But the most precious ally of the totalitarianism that we see taking hold more and more each day is the people, by now the victims of generalized cognitive dissonance.'

May be worth a separate thread? Let me know if you think so, it's not really the Collins Elite, but it was very powerful as was this by the same author:

https://www.academia.edu/50510992/The_Meaning_of_the_Present_Time

By a roundabout way to take this back to the Collins Elite and the dilemma of the nature of UFO's,
https://ufoculture.blogspot.com/2012/01/ufo-phenomenon-as-demonic-activity.html as well as cognitive dissonance:


I believe that the powers that be are playing a game of both debunking the reality of UFOs and covertly planting evidence of their reality as a method of mass mind-control, using a technique I call "subliminal contradiction."

Taken from his article, 'Ufo phenomenon as demonic activity' (https://ufoculture.blogspot.com/2012/01/ufo-phenomenon-as-demonic-activity.html)- well worth a look.

[Pam]

Wow! Thank your Journeyman for taking the time to create this beautiful post. I have just finished reading each source you have offered.

In reference to the Steiner quotes, it seems to me that we are up against the challenge of those that understand the underpinnings of our reality and know how make things happen. It makes for high strangeness, psychopaths creating much of our reality. Creating multiple streams makes most people exhausted. In addition to the comic, absurd nature of the show they are putting on there really is a huge dose to creating chaos. Wear a mask, no need to wear one. Get a vaccine, ooops that won't be enough, you will need more even though you were told it would be. It really is crazy making stuff. I am so blown away with people like Steiner have been able to give us amazing insight that would manifest so clearly in the future. I wonder what that says about the nature of time and space? I have been considering that time and space in a linear reality is created by language , particularly time. Imagine if we were totally to communicate totally by telepathy with no words? How would manipulation take place?

I spoke briefly in another thread where I went to my vaccinated families house for dinner. Among other things my 20 something nephew is having serious chest pain and I noticed a decline in health of my sister -in-law. The big thing I felt there was a sort of solemn greyness to the people there. Someone else on the forum used that description and It seemed so appropriate. I actually did feel like I was at a different frequency. There was no laughter, no humor from them like there used to be. I do understand these are bleak times, but I distinctly felt a difference. I was able to find laughter and joy there because of their dogs and cats. It's not because I am special, or because of my injection status, it is my choice to stay connected to higher consciousness and not to blindly rely on manmade systems to the best of my ability. It seems like that is what we can do at this time. I make a point of smiling at people in the store. So many look absolutely worn down.

I really do think cognitive dissonance is the biggest struggle of the day.I would love to see a thread on it and have considered doing one myself. What would be really cool is if we could look at what it is and come up with examples within ourselves. I have started researching it and have really been working on becoming aware of my own. I don't think we can afford the luxury of believing we are not under the spell of it to some degree. It is very uncomfortable to do but it is a key tool in purging energy blockages, at least in my case. I don't envy someone that is waking up at this time. It has always been a difficult thing but now is the hardest and the easiest time to do it. The insanity, the deception, the lies are right in our face on one hand and in the other is the bleak ugliness of the human condition.

I apologize for going off topic, but I couldn't resist your most interesting post.

[Patient]

This is why there isn't disclosure. How do you tell the masses of humanity that humanity on Earth is under demonic attack and that some "apparent" "fellow humans" are under demonic control or are wittingly assisting.

The hybridization program suggests the goal is to modify the human vehicle to their liking and for eventual full possession. Lovely, eh?

That's about it, in a nutshell Chester. With the help of a little graphene and some 5g we might be off to the races...

The working hypothesis that dominates my thoughts these days is something I am finding "hard to share." My hesitancy is related to this strange experience I have where, when I concretize something, even if I simply characterize it as nothing but "imagination," "it" seems to come to life. I say this specifically in relation to the purported "operational primary considerations for conclusion" of the Collins Elite."

Let me try to make this more clear.

It is not that I "imagine something" and it manifests. It is more like, I imagine "something" along the lines of a scene in a theatrical performance that pulls forth from popular "archetypal dramatic dynamics" and then what seems to happen is that something soon emerges which a.) resembles the same overall dramatic scenario or has such a synchronistic and metaphorical connection to key elements of the dramatic scenario but b.) takes it more and more steps further and c.) provides all sorts of evidence that it has somehow 'come to life'and d.) seems to demonstrate degrees of intensity which I am able to raise or lower by way of how much attention I put on "it" and how excited I get in the experience of "it."

In fact, the last Stephen King novel I ever read was, in fact, "It." It seems that's all I needed to read to understand the deeper nature of what is being presented here on this lovely, dare I say, haunted planet.

Yep - that's exactly how I view it here now on Earth... the whole entire cosmic hurling mass of materiality is a home for not just the life that springs forth and experiential to one or more of the five senses, but a wealth of life beyond that tiny bandwidth where some of that 'life beyond' seems quite focused on stirring up the emotions of at least plenty of us humans as if that emotional energetic output can be experienced as well by others anchored in regions of that extended reality.

And the larger paradigm (a very key "word" - "paradigm") is filled with all sorts of types and groups of beings - conscious agents just like us, just like other forms of life with which we share this planet and who may (as I like to assume "a human" does) is experience "themselves" on multiple planes of being, simultaneously... some call this "multi-dimensionality." I prefer to use the terms "zones" or "regions" within greater reality as dimensionality is too easily deconstructed by those who of a physicalist bent.

Chester, I have mentioned a couple times on this forum that I have been having very strange experiences. In fact, I have even stated on this forum that I reserve the right to be batshiiit crazy. That is because the events have made me question my sanity because they are so surreal.

The absolute strangeness is that I too, am experiencing exactly you have so beautifully described...I can't tell you what a relief, what an absolute relief it is to hear someone describe it. I am creating reality with my mind. There, I said it. Not drunk, not high, not in some weird emotional state. I am noticing the experience in the material world is manifesting quicker and quicker.

I feel like I became acutely aware of it after the Covid debacle, where I was leading the life of essentially a hermit. Not entirely without human companionship, but it was drastically reduced and it wasn't that much in the first place. The distractions were removed and thus my ability to avoid cause and effect. I have not managed , or really even attempted to manifest this occurance in a controlled fashion, but I am working towards that. The events occur only with though, emotion and a strong visualization or some sensory response to that thought. Thank you for your post, you have given me great relief.

I am going to go back a really take a look at this thread. The frequency or resonance or whatever it is ....it's progressing and certain elements know this and they really, really do not want us to do that.

I am having experiences as well with some sort of interdimensional beings, and I don't think they are very fond of me. At least I think that's what it is. Just yesterday the dogs and I were quietly sitting in another room. Suddenly there is a huge sound. A picture that was firmly on the wall seems to have been thrown about 6 feet from it's original location on the wall. I was sure we must have had a significant earthquake, but their was not one. Their was no vibration going on at that time. NO movement in the house. Another picture was dramatically tilted. There may be a logical interpretation for it, but I can't find it and I looked. Go figure.

I am not prone to woo woo stuff, but I am also able to try to look at things squarely. Things just aren't the way they seem, it's chilling but also very interesting.



When I wrote the above post, I was going to share my lasted experiences with reality molding through thought, but I thought it too much for this thread. After walking down stairs I have decided to post it.

Here are the experiences of the most recent events I have observed. I have always had an extreme discomfort with the predator -prey aspect of this planet. I have a huge aversion to the suffering of others ,particularly children and animals or any living thing. I have a hard time living on my small farm because I don't like accidentally killing anything, including worms, snails and other tiny critters. I call it pathological empathy because I realize it is mentally unbalanced, yet my intentions are for respect of all life forms but it causes me a huge amount of psychic pain.

I went to a large, busy store early in the very early morning several days ago. I walked across the roadway at the front parking lot that would be very busy shortly. There was a baby bird that had fallen out of the nest, yet it's mother was there with it. It was a fledgling and was almost ready to fly. I didn't know what to do. I was concerned it would get run over. I called my sister who is a veterinarian and she said it would be able to fly within a couple of days. I decided to take it home out of the danger of traffic and I would keep it in a safe environment and feed it till it could fly. I could not get the baby to eat or take fluids. I ended up calling a wildlife counselor who instructed me to take it back to where I found it and see if the mother was still there. She was still there looking for her baby after 5 hours. The fledgling had not eaten all that time. I built a nest and found a small treed area, making sure the mother was aware and left the baby there. I was disgusted with myself afterward for intervening and obsessively thought about it and the harshness of life in nature. I created a mental state of angst, depression and despair.

The next time I go outside to work I am confronted by the very ugly site of a slug eating a living snail. Immediately, I hear very low squaking over head and an eagle is carrying a heavy burden or prey directly over my head, so heavy that it couldn't fly at it's usual altitude. All of this seemed so ugly to me at the time that I decided to go inside. I go inside and look outside to see a cat tearing apart it's prey right by the window.

Now for the oddest thing of all. I just went downstairs. There was huge banging.
I looked around and there was a bird at the window fluttering against the glass of a huge window in the dining room area. My immediate thought was that it hit the window and couldn't fly. Then I realized it was in the house. It was flying against the window to get out of the house. There is absolutely no way that I could find that the bird could get in my house. No open windows, no open fireplace, no doors open. The dogs were asleep and neither brought a bird in. I captured the bird with a towel and released it and it easily flew away, it was not injured in any way.

Amazing...my family is similar. So many stories.

It is so difficult sometimes because nature will do what it does. You can do your part, and hope that it was a good thing. :)

[SoulValor]

Chester, I have mentioned a couple times on this forum that I have been having very strange experiences. In fact, I have even stated on this forum that I reserve the right to be batshiiit crazy. That is because the events have made me question my sanity because they are so surreal.

The absolute strangeness is that I too, am experiencing exactly you have so beautifully described...I can't tell you what a relief, what an absolute relief it is to hear someone describe it. I am creating reality with my mind. There, I said it. Not drunk, not high, not in some weird emotional state. I am noticing the experience in the material world is manifesting quicker and quicker.

I feel like I became acutely aware of it after the Covid debacle, where I was leading the life of essentially a hermit. Not entirely without human companionship, but it was drastically reduced and it wasn't that much in the first place. The distractions were removed and thus my ability to avoid cause and effect. I have not managed , or really even attempted to manifest this occurance in a controlled fashion, but I am working towards that. The events occur only with though, emotion and a strong visualization or some sensory response to that thought. Thank you for your post, you have given me great relief.

I am going to go back a really take a look at this thread. The frequency or resonance or whatever it is ....it's progressing and certain elements know this and they really, really do not want us to do that.

I am having experiences as well with some sort of interdimensional beings, and I don't think they are very fond of me. At least I think that's what it is. Just yesterday the dogs and I were quietly sitting in another room. Suddenly there is a huge sound. A picture that was firmly on the wall seems to have been thrown about 6 feet from it's original location on the wall. I was sure we must have had a significant earthquake, but their was not one. Their was no vibration going on at that time. NO movement in the house. Another picture was dramatically tilted. There may be a logical interpretation for it, but I can't find it and I looked. Go figure.

I am not prone to woo woo stuff, but I am also able to try to look at things squarely. Things just aren't the way they seem, it's chilling but also very interesting.



When I wrote the above post, I was going to share my lasted experiences with reality molding through thought, but I thought it too much for this thread. After walking down stairs I have decided to post it.

Here are the experiences of the most recent events I have observed. I have always had an extreme discomfort with the predator -prey aspect of this planet. I have a huge aversion to the suffering of others ,particularly children and animals or any living thing. I have a hard time living on my small farm because I don't like accidentally killing anything, including worms, snails and other tiny critters. I call it pathological empathy because I realize it is mentally unbalanced, yet my intentions are for respect of all life forms but it causes me a huge amount of psychic pain.

I went to a large, busy store early in the very early morning several days ago. I walked across the roadway at the front parking lot that would be very busy shortly. There was a baby bird that had fallen out of the nest, yet it's mother was there with it. It was a fledgling and was almost ready to fly. I didn't know what to do. I was concerned it would get run over. I called my sister who is a veterinarian and she said it would be able to fly within a couple of days. I decided to take it home out of the danger of traffic and I would keep it in a safe environment and feed it till it could fly. I could not get the baby to eat or take fluids. I ended up calling a wildlife counselor who instructed me to take it back to where I found it and see if the mother was still there. She was still there looking for her baby after 5 hours. The fledgling had not eaten all that time. I built a nest and found a small treed area, making sure the mother was aware and left the baby there. I was disgusted with myself afterward for intervening and obsessively thought about it and the harshness of life in nature. I created a mental state of angst, depression and despair.

The next time I go outside to work I am confronted by the very ugly site of a slug eating a living snail. Immediately, I hear very low squaking over head and an eagle is carrying a heavy burden or prey directly over my head, so heavy that it couldn't fly at it's usual altitude. All of this seemed so ugly to me at the time that I decided to go inside. I go inside and look outside to see a cat tearing apart it's prey right by the window.

Now for the oddest thing of all. I just went downstairs. There was huge banging.
I looked around and there was a bird at the window fluttering against the glass of a huge window in the dining room area. My immediate thought was that it hit the window and couldn't fly. Then I realized it was in the house. It was flying against the window to get out of the house. There is absolutely no way that I could find that the bird could get in my house. No open windows, no open fireplace, no doors open. The dogs were asleep and neither brought a bird in. I captured the bird with a towel and released it and it easily flew away, it was not injured in any way.

Hi Pam, some of your posts have really struck a cord with me so let me offer my reactions/insights, yes?

I too have a problem with the predator aspect of this world. And with kind of an off-spring of this, energy-vampirism. It's like what's the point of it all? And why exactly has this been going on for so long??

I had a similar slug experience out in nature not too long ago. It was after many days of rain (which was kind of unusual in its intensity) at the end of summer here and I was walking on a path right by some woods/fields. I was astounded too see hundreds of snails/slugs covering the pavement - but also the grass, leaves, bushes on the sides etc. Of course I made the connection with the wetness, we all know snails love that. And while I had seen stuff like this before, it was never this huge in amount. (In a relatively small space)

Now, seeing that this was a pathway that was not only used by hikers/pedestrians but also bikes (and even the occasional car I think though that wouldn't really be permitted) you could alse see quite a few squished/dead slugs on the ground. At one point I noticed how there was an alive snail staying with a squished slug and slighly nudging at it. At first I thought the other snail wasn't actually dead and was just oozing off "love stuff" and the two were about to copulate - I have observed this with snails before and it was one of the most magical things ever for me to be witness to. :)

Well, no, it became clear the other one was dead....so then - as I kept watching - I thought the alive snail was kind of mourning the loss of his/her comrade. Something not unheard of in the world of animals, right? And the way it kept nudging at it with its head had something tender and caring about it...also in the sense of "hey, are you really dead?". So now I was kind of in an "awww" mood. :blushing:

Well, that turned once the slug started to pull - and I mean really pull the dead snail to itself. It turned to sucking and devouring! I was like waaah? :blink: Well, that was unexpected! Consider my dismay and disillusionment a I decided to walk away from the scene....

Along the path, I came across the same phenomena a couple more times. So I tried to rethink my reaction to it and tried to understand what was going on here - afterall our human perceptions/undertanding of things is often limited....and - well - human. So I came to the thought that what the slugs were doing to their comrades was actually highly spiritual. In a way, they were processing their deaths and in a way bringing them back home too. Maybe they were really doing the spirits of their comrades a big favor. Transmuting the trauma that they had experienced. Which might even be a collective one given the hive mind of most animals. And also, I came to the conlusion that it was just hightly practical what the slugs were doing there. I mean not only did this clean up the street but it also made for food and nourished them...

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Consider another story. This one's close to your baby bird experience and taught me a lesson too. In terms of the understanding/mentality we humans have vs the nature of nature. :bigsmile:

I was again walking on a path right along some woods. This was actually a road that lead to some houses and settlement and was therefore frequented by cars. Well, at the time I was walking all was really quite. (way before noon)

I stopped in my tracks when I saw a big caterpillar crawling from one side of the road to the other side. Though, actually it seemed to kind of pause - it was really slow. But from the looks of it it was trying to get to the other side. So I dediced, well, let's help this little fella - especially before a car may squish him. So I took a small leave from one of the bushes on the side of the road and "offered" it to the caterpillar. You know, kind of holding it a bit under it and then when the caterpilalr wouldn't "do" I nudged it a little bit with it. Well, still no dice. I kept at it for a while and talked to it in a soft/encouraging way but nope - and I remember this image of me holding the leave up a bit and the caterpillar raising up and extending its feelers. Still, it would have none of it and wouldn't get onto the leaf!

So I kind of lost patience and it was clear to me that I should respect his decision and just let him be. Apparently he/she didn't want any help and get across on its own. (If that's what it was actually trying to do, still not sure about this to this day!?) So I continued my walking. Then after a minute or so a car passed me by from behind. And shorty after that I got this feeling of "uh oh......what if this car has just run over the caterpillar?". I tried to calm myself, naaah.....
then "what if that was even my fault that it got killed? Because surely, it would have been at a different spot if it hadn't been for my intervention??". Well, I deciced to keep on walking because I was kind of afraid of the prospect that I was right. So after another minute or so I finally decided to make a turn, take a look and face reality. After all, I didn't want to be a wuss! :bigsmile: And who knows, maybe the caterpillar was alive and well - I should find out, right?? (Knowing that there might a lesson in it for me)

Well, guess what.....yeah, once I reached the spot the caterpillar was indeed unfortunately squashed. :( And so came the realization. "Dude, you shouldn't have interfered and just let nature be. It is arrogant of us humans to think that we are more intelligent and ethical and that we know "what's better" or "best". Animals do know what their doing!! (For the most part??) It is not necessary for us to understand exactly what it is that their doing...it could nonetheless fulfill a purpose even if its just the gaining of a lesson for them (not to do this or that). And if that means they die or get killed, then maybe that's preciesly the lesson or experience they are to have!"

Of course one could argue that the caterpillar might have died by that car anway, just maybe at a different spot (let's say the right tires instead of the left). But nobody knows. But I do know that it got halted by me and the spot were it got squished (which must have been by the left tires of the car) was not far away from the spot I tried to rescue it. And of course one has to wonder how the story would have enfolded if the caterpillar actually would have taken up my offer of getting a safe ride to the other side? Maybe it wouldn't have been safe, maybe it would have fallen off....or get eaten by bird on the other side. So many ifs or buts!


*****

Last but not least - as far as that bird in your house is concerned. I have experienced and concluded that animals, espcially insects, actually travel or get transported via portals sometimes. Or just shift between dimensions. Either purely by accident (because there happened to be a portal where they were flying or at) or on purpose. Consider that most animals even small insects may be much more multidimensional as we are (or rather, as most are in the current programmed/imprisonded state implemented by the system - in nature and origin, we actually are VERY multidimensional).

Also consider that animals - including insects - get used in magical operations/practices, especially of the black arts. That is to say they may get send to a target (a human or place) in order to spy or even to cause harm (wasps, parasites, poisonous animals etc). In magic, these are called "familiars".
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Familiar

Among witches cats, ravens and spiders are common familiars being employed.

Of course this kind of stuff can also be done and IS done purely on an astral level, it does not need to be a physical manifestation. Personally I have witnessed spy insects plenty of times in my home and I even witnessed them coming right out of the mirror or flying back though there. Mirrors make for great portals/entry-points and are frequently used in magic for all kinds of purposes. They are truly gateways to the other side. Windows are similar btw, so I find it striking that the bird in your house was banging against one. Maybe the portal had closed up? Anything else weird about that window? Of course things could be much more mundane, but I'm offering alternative explanations.

Anyhoo - this mirror-entering I have watched with fruit flies as well as regular flies. The fruits flies however were always black - not the regular type you would usually encounter. The brownish ones...those I love!! They're fun to watch and to them its paradise here in my home (I eat/store lots of organic raw fruits :D). The black ones are really rare in my home and usually I can sense that they have a black magic origin. Sounds crazy, right? Well, tiny inscets definitely make for better spies than a big bird. The less it is detectable or noticeable the better (for the magicians/witches/whatever). And the more eyes it has (think spiders :spider:) the better as well.

Also, there's the government/black military version of such spies too (either astral/astrally invoked or actually artificial/physically sent).

LOL, I'm not telling you this to get you or anyone else paranoid. :ROFL: But it is impiortant information to consider as possibilities whenever having strange encounters with animals, especially in the home. It took me a while to wrap my mind around it myself - when I started delving into magic and being confronted with not so friendly practioners of the arts I eventually had no other choice. I'm really glad that I learned about these things though because it's all about the expansion of consciousness and making/keeping your space sovereign. The more you know (of what is all possible, of what some of them are capable of doing and are indeed doing) the more you can protect and defend yourself and suceed in making yourself truly healthy (on all levels). And maybe even use their own techniques against them! :D :wizard:

Of course, there's always the possibilty of another form of animal manifestation - which is simply the message being conveyed to you by our own interconnectedness with nature and spirituality. Animals are great messengers as they always strike us in our psyches and often have an archetypal meaning (but also a very personal/individual one too). It can also be that the animal "in action" is one of your spirit guides or offers itself to be taken as one.

Do you remember what type of bird it was? Have you encountered animals in strange ways at home(s) before?

That stuff you wrote earlier about the pictures on the wall reminds me a bit more of Poltergeist activity. But all in all, it may be possible that you have been the target of black magic or something of that nature and spirits/entities employed thereof. Do you have any connection with magic or people that practice it/are into the occult?

[Chester]

Strangely it seems that adversity fosters creativity. And that creativity seems (to me) to be the essential nutrient of the Life Force.

[norman]

This complicated and extraordinary story takes us all down a different track, suggesting that


The 'ET' phenomenon, or much of it, might truly be demonic and highly deceptive.
At least one group of deep gov't insiders has known all about this since the 1950s.
The nature of the problem may be spiritual, and not physical at all.

Here's an Oct 2010 Coast to Coast interview with George Knapp. It's an excellent introduction:


http://projectavalon.net/Coast_to_Coast_Nick_Redfern_Collins_Elite_17_October_2010.mp3






UFO researcher Nick Redfern joined George Knapp to talk about a secret group within the U.S. government known as the Collins Elite, who believe our purported alien visitors are actually deceptive demonic entities.

Redfern first learned of the group’s existence through Ray Boeche, an Anglican priest, and former director of Nebraska’s MUFON. Boeche said back in 1991 he met with two men from the Defense Dept. who told him about a secret project to contact NHE’s (non-human entities).

They showed him photographs of people who allegedly died during experiments while contacting the NHEs, and contended that the beings they communicated with were simply masquerading as ETs.

Eventually, Redfern interviewed a man in his 80s named Richard Duke, who claimed to be a member of the Collins Elite up until 1960, and recalled many specific details about the group. The group took its inspiration from occultist Aleister Crowley’s ritual in which he reportedly made contact with an interdimensional entity named Lam.

Later, in the 1940s, rocket scientist Jack Parsons engaged in similar experiments trying to invoke a being, and subsequent UFO sightings may have been enabled through his opening of a portal, the group believed.

According to Duke, the Collins Elite also suspected that various contactees in the 1950s, such as George Hunt Williamson, who used a Oujia board for ET communications, were experiencing demonic deceptions.

In the 1960s, the Collins Elite examined a number of NDE reports, such as one in which deceased humans moved through a hellish landscape as a UFO-type craft hovered overhead, extracting their souls with a ball of light, Redfern detailed. “They eventually came to the conclusion…that the human soul possesses some sort of energy, which these entities can use as sustenance…In other words, they’re harvesting human souls,” he said, adding that the group believed that a strong religious viewpoint, such as Christian fundamentalism could keep the demonic entities at bay.

Linda Howe (with John Burroughs) talked with Nick Redfern and Ray Boeche about the Collins Elite just a couple of weeks ago, on 12 June 2017. This would be the follow-up interview to listen to:


http://kgraradioarchives.com/Shows/phenomenon-radio/2017/PRS060817KGRA%20-%20PHENOMENON%20-%20%20Ray%20Boeche%20&%20Nick%20Redfern.mp3

And there's a great deal more, but I'll leave it at that right now. (Search for 'Collins Elite', and you'll find a lot.)

Recommended, and all my Spidey Senses tells me that there's something very important to this story.

That kgra archive link is dead now, but I think this is the same thing on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGuwb95mgtI



I'm currently looking into what the name "Collins" (Elite) has to do with it. I have now got a lot of stuff downloaded, to listen to, and I shouldn't say much before I check it all out, but one thing I know is that one of the so called 'thirteen bloodlines' is currently known as 'Collins'. They all change their name over the generations to muddy the waters, but Collins would have been the same in the 40s as it is now.

Whistle blower Jessie Czebotar has the blood/DNA of 10 of the 13 'bloodlines' (she was carefully bred, as they all are) but the family she's most directly of is the 'Collins'. Elsewhere I've heard of the Collins family being the American witchcraft family. The fact that this group was called the Collins Elite and that family being the witchcraft line of the bloodlines, is quite a coincidence.

There's a family line in England called 'Weld' who I think are roughly in the same category. The Welds have an American branch too, but ascribing national identities to those kind of people is quite pointless in the end because they are all over the place all of the time, they are the true 'Jet Set'.

[Tintin]

Here you go ;)

https://concen.org/content/higher-entities-lost-tapes-2019



There is an excellent documentary by the Faull brothers on this topic.

Do you happen to have a link please?

The Higher Entities - The Lost Tapes documentary has been in the Avalon Library since March of 2021 and can be viewed (and downloaded) here:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Higher%20Entities%20-%20The%20Lost%20Tapes.mp4

[Tintin]

From Raymond Boeche - a truly interesting presentation from 1994:

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This paper was originally presented at the Gulf Breeze UFO Conference,
Gulf Breeze Florida, February 12, 1994

© R. W. Boeche, 1994, Revised 2021, 2022.



This work was first presented as an address to a conference, and so is not exhaustively footnoted. Those endnotes which appear were inserted after many requests were received for a printed copy version of this presentation. The original text is unchanged except for minor corrections of typos and necessary updating of the mention of certain events, such as the Heaven’s Gate mass suicide which occurred after the original presentation

Source PDF: Raymond Boeche - UFOs-Caught in a Web of Deception (https://avalonlibrary.net/Dr_Raymond_W_Boeche_Record_of_DoD_contacts_%28Sept_2020%29/Raymond%20Boeche%20-%20UFOs-Caught%20in%20a%20Web%20of%20Deception.pdf) (Avalon Library)

In this paper I will address the phenomenon of UFOs generally, by addressing an often ridiculed, little explored, subset of the UFO phenomenon. This area, known as the Men-in-Black or MIB phenomenon.

[Extract]:



Upon close examination, it becomes apparent that literally all aspects of the UFO phenomenon have manifested throughout human history, albeit in somewhat different and varying guises. The same can be said of, if you will, the very “dark side” of Ufology, the menacing activities of the MIB. The UFO phenomena certainly seem to be culturally reflective.


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[norman]

Here you go ;)

https://concen.org/content/higher-entities-lost-tapes-2019



There is an excellent documentary by the Faull brothers on this topic.

Do you happen to have a link please?

The Higher Entities - The Lost Tapes documentary has been in the Avalon Library since March of 2021 and can be viewed (and downloaded) here:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Higher%20Entities%20-%20The%20Lost%20Tapes.mp4



Thank you Tintin. I missed these two posts of yours until now ( juggling too many balls at the mo ).

I've been hearing about this documentary a lot recently and couldn't find a free to view version. I stupidly assumed it wouldn't be in the PA library so didn't bother to look.

After a few days on other subject areas, I returned to this today and searched the name Ray Boeche here, bingo, up came your recent posts here.


I've been listening to this podcast today;

Reclaiming the Faith - Higher Entities (https://podbay.fm/p/reclaiming-the-faith/e/1574740821)
1 hour 58 minutes Posted Nov 26, 2019

SHOW NOTES
In Episode 63, I had the privilege to interview some of the men behind the documentary Higher Entities. My co-host, BDK, and I led a round table discussion about the subject of aliens with our guests, Justen Faull, Wes Faull, Darrin Geisinger and Chad Riley. Please listen to this amazing conversation to find out why, now more than ever, it is so important for Christians to possess a strong biblical framework concerning this topic.


It gave me several things to take away and chew on. The biggy at the outset, and it just sprung up from the top of my head without even being stated by anyone in the interview, is a ponderable 'question'.

The issue about 'are they coming from somewhere else in this 3D universe or are they coming from another ( or multiple other ) dimension could boil down to one single truth that satisfies both possibilites.

'Scientific' thinking generally concludes that for long distance travel through the cosmos they must be using interdimensional methods and so having to enter other dimensions, right ?

So, what deals or commitments must they have to agree to or agendas they have to include with their own, do they have to involve themselves in to gain permission or a 'spiritual' right, to use the other dimensions ?

I'm thinking demonic, malevolent counter-creator adversarial stuff here.

Seems logical and makes sense to me.

[Tintin]

Here you go ;)

https://concen.org/content/higher-entities-lost-tapes-2019



There is an excellent documentary by the Faull brothers on this topic.

Do you happen to have a link please?

The Higher Entities - The Lost Tapes documentary has been in the Avalon Library since March of 2021 and can be viewed (and downloaded) here:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Higher%20Entities%20-%20The%20Lost%20Tapes.mp4



Thank you Tintin. I missed these two posts of yours until now ( juggling too many balls at the mo ).

I've been hearing about this documentary a lot recently and couldn't find a free to view version. I stupidly assumed it wouldn't be in the PA library so didn't bother to look.

After a few days on other subject areas, I returned to this today and searched the name Ray Boeche here, bingo, up came your recent posts here.


I've been listening to this podcast today;

Reclaiming the Faith - Higher Entities (https://podbay.fm/p/reclaiming-the-faith/e/1574740821)
1 hour 58 minutes Posted Nov 26, 2019

SHOW NOTES
In Episode 63, I had the privilege to interview some of the men behind the documentary Higher Entities. My co-host, BDK, and I led a round table discussion about the subject of aliens with our guests, Justen Faull, Wes Faull, Darrin Geisinger and Chad Riley. Please listen to this amazing conversation to find out why, now more than ever, it is so important for Christians to possess a strong biblical framework concerning this topic.


It gave me several things to take away and chew on. The biggy at the outset, and it just sprung up from the top of my head without even being stated by anyone in the interview, is a ponderable 'question'.

The issue about 'are they coming from somewhere else in this 3D universe or are they coming from another ( or multiple other ) dimension could boil down to one single truth that satisfies both possibilites.

'Scientific' thinking generally concludes that for long distance travel through the cosmos they must be using interdimensional methods and so having to enter other dimensions, right ?

So, what deals or commitments must they have to agree to or agendas they have to include with their own, do they have to involve themselves in to gain permission or a 'spiritual' right, to use the other dimensions ?

I'm thinking demonic, malevolent counter-creator adversarial stuff here.

Seems logical and makes sense to me.

No problem :highfive:

Actually, I'll try and make time to listen to this as well, probably over the weekend. As you say, 'juggling', the same here :)

Now embedded as well, here:

https://s171.podbean.com/pb/326b8aa1aa526ea2d013cfc3431c26ce/63d3b07a/data1/fs184/1919738/uploads/Episode_63_Higher_Entities.mp3?pbss=d8db74bb-7ed3-5759-b472-0c8c159a851b

It'll probably end up in the library too at some point :muscle:

[Bill Ryan]

Bumping this interesting thread (which may be important! :) ) with a long interview with UFO documentary film-maker Ron James. He references the Pentagon and the Defense Department having MANY people who are adamant that the entire UFO issue is a demonic one. It's just a short section, from about 2:55:03, lasting 5 minutes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGBWaHLK9cY

[Vicus]

Aliens= Demons

Supporting Bill Ryan last post...

"I corresponded with Dorica Manu, colleague of Dr. Corrado Malanga regarding the Horus-Ra entity. She said, “In Italy we used this notation because the Ra entity operates in a transdimensional body that looks like a very tall birdlike body, similar to the Egyptian god Horus. This bird-like body is not a cyborg, but it seems to be the body of a decayed humanoid race from Orion. So, the transdimensional form is Horus, the dark entity within is Ra. It is in actuality nothing more than a black shadow or dot.” According to Dr. Malanga, Ra is a dark entity coming from another Universe, a universe archetypally situated behind our universe. There is dark out there, no physical bodies, no light, no love, no souls. This Ra entity places implants on the tailbone, below the sacrum, from where he hangs on to the abductee’s body, parasiting the persona and performing a perverse type of mind control. Ra may come and go to his liking."

This is a part from first page an old and actual Thread:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

Its under Forum "Priority Threads" obviously for one reason, to bring gnosis(knowledge) to who dares...
Surpassing all the hype on alien races, motives pro/contra, technology gizmos, new age(cage) naiveté(real or fake).

[pabranno]

I gather those who oppose engaging on the grounds they are demonic would be considered “white hats”…..that’s a comforting thought.

[norman]

THC - Nathaniel Gillis - Alien Demons, Hijacking The Mortal Portal, & The Collins Elite (https://podbay.fm/p/the-higherside-chats/e/1692461115)
1 hour 24 minutes - Posted Aug 19, 2023

About Today’s Guest:

Nathaniel Gillis is a religious demonologist and author. After living in a haunted house, Nathaniel spent 20 years researching what it was he encountered. He has sought to redefine the nature of haunting phenomena, ghosts, and high strangeness. He’s often quoted for his concept of the demonic. “The reason they are playing by different rules is because they are playing a different game.”

[norman]

I found this on my travels. If any of it is true, it's news to me.

I was only aware that the Collins family is one of the core 'bloodlines' and known in some circles as the American witchcraft family.


The Collins family runs America

https://rumble.com/v4w2g7k-the-collins-family-runs-america.html
v4tlglz/?pub=1yatds

[norman]

THE COLLINS BLOODLINE

https://bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/collins.htm


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Accuracy is your call. In my experience, the truth is black, but approximations are allowed, the more the better, for confusion's sake.