Creativity is a remix: a TED talk by Kirby Ferguson

[bbow73]

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With enough time, I can point to the influences that went into making any song or picture or story. A cynic would say that everything is derivative, but I appreciate the individual style of mixing and remixing that makes art. But, this did get me thinking about how the subconscious works in much the same way.

E.T.remix
Given how ubiquitous Star Wars & Star Trek is in the western culture (and to lesser degree other sci-fi staples), the SSP narrative sounds like an unconscious mish-mash dream of Star Trek and Star Wars... or the not very creative programming of a G-man.

E.T.download
In William Tompkins book Selected by Extra-Terrestrials he talks about various members of 'The Think Tank' periodically receiving data downloads (or visions). I don't remember who first suggested it but I'm familiar with the concept of similar downloads being distributed to fiction writers over the course of modern history as a way to slowly acclimate our race to extra-terrestrial concepts. An gentler introduction than landing on the White House lawn.
I can see the download delivery system being a flawed process if the information gets corrupted by the recipients own interpretations and imagination. Thus the inclusion of Star Trek/Star Wars elements.

I don't know, this stuff could be anything. so frustrating
Then again, there are some things that Tony Rodrigues says that seem very specific and unique. The details, both frightening and wondrous, make me believe his story.

[Bill Ryan]

I changed the thread title to make this a little clearer, because I had absolutely no clue what this was about. :)

The YouTube description is useful:



Nothing is original, says Kirby Ferguson, creator of Everything is a Remix. From Bob Dylan to Steve Jobs, he says our most celebrated creators both borrow, steal and transform.

[turiya]

Bob Dylan - Duquesne Whistle
(Published on Aug 30, 2012)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mns9VeRguys?list=RDH2xx01lXnNI

[turiya]

VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd-dqUuvLk4

With enough time, I can point to the influences that went into making any song or picture or story. A cynic would say that everything is derivative, but I appreciate the individual style of mixing and remixing that makes art. But, this did get me thinking about how the subconscious works in much the same way.

E.T.remix
Given how ubiquitous Star Wars & Star Trek is in the western culture (and to lesser degree other sci-fi staples), the SSP narrative sounds like an unconscious mish-mash dream of Star Trek and Star Wars... or the not very creative programming of a G-man.

E.T.download
In William Tompkins book Selected by Extra-Terrestrials he talks about various members of 'The Think Tank' periodically receiving data downloads (or visions). I don't remember who first suggested it but I'm familiar with the concept of similar downloads being distributed to fiction writers over the course of modern history as a way to slowly acclimate our race to extra-terrestrial concepts. An gentler introduction than landing on the White House lawn.
I can see the download delivery system being a flawed process if the information gets corrupted by the recipients own interpretations and imagination. Thus the inclusion of Star Trek/Star Wars elements.

I don't know, this stuff could be anything. so frustrating
Then again, there are some things that Tony Rodrigues says that seem very specific and unique. The details, both frightening and wondrous, make me believe his story.


Thanks for posting, bbow73.
This brings to mind a good example of this... And that would be the theory of a Hollow Earth, and from where this idea had arisen, and then picked up & expanded upon in the writings of various authors.... and then, eventually finding its way into the area of Ufology and onto the television & motion picture screen venues. Even as late as 2016, U.S. government officials (Obama & John Kerry) have taken trips to Anarctica.

To me, in order for a malevolent Alien presence to take advantage of a gullible human population, is to use the creativity of various human individuals, especially the science fiction genre and to use it to their advantage & to take advantage of the human race in a ruse as coming for humanity's benefit.
Hidden in Antartica a Naval Officer
tells us Exactly What He Saw
(Published on Mar 2, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMybJ-HGUOo_______________________

Hollow Earth Hypothesis

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As science and science fiction merge, we unravel the ancient mysteries of the human experience. If indeed entities exist beneath the surface of the planet, they would not live in molten rock but in space ships. And as the tectonic plates are breaking - it is either by their doing, a knowing that the consciousness (http://www.crystalinks.com/consciousness.html) hologram that creates this reality, is ending so they no longer have to monitor from below, or they emerge as the plates naturally break apart.

Hollow Earth Theories always propose a central sun, aliens, and mythical subterranean cities and civilizations that some believe could link science and pseudoscience if physically discovered. Glaciers at both the Arctic and Antarctic regions are melting down at an accelerated rate, which will reveal the truth behind this mystery and its metaphoric connections to other creation myths in the story of humanity's journey on plant Earth.


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According to the Hollow Earth Hypothesis, planet Earth is either wholly hollow or otherwise contains a substantial interior space. The hypothesis has long been contradicted by overwhelming observational evidence, as well as by the modern understanding of planet formation; the scientific community has dismissed the notion since at least the late 18th century.

The concept of a hollow Earth still recurs in folklore and as the premise for a sub-genre of adventure fiction. It also features in some present-day pseudoscientific and conspiracy theories.

Underground civilizations link with the 'Hollow Earth Theory'. There are supposedly races that exist in subterranean cities beneath planet Earth. Very often, these dwellers of the world beneath are more technologically advanced than we on the surface. Some believe that UFOs are not from other planets, but are manufactured by strange beings in the interior of the Earth.


Conventional Hollow Earth Theories

Early History

In ancient times, the idea of subterranean realms seemed arguable, and became intertwined with the concept of "places" such as the Greek Hades, the Nordic svartalfheim, the Christian Hell, and the Jewish Sheol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol) (with details describing inner Earth in Kabalistic literature, such as the Zohar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zohar) and Hesed L'Avraham).


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Edmond Halley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_Halley) in 1692 put forth the idea of Earth consisting of a hollow shell about 800 km (500 miles) thick, two inner concentric shells and an innermost core, about the diameters of the planets Venus, Mars, and Mercury. Atmospheres separate these shells, and each shell has its own magnetic poles. The spheres rotate at different speeds. Halley proposed this scheme in order to explain anomalous compass readings. He envisaged the atmosphere inside as luminous (and possibly inhabited) and speculated that escaping gas caused the Aurora Borealis.


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De Camp and Ley have claimed (in their Lands Beyond) that Leonhard Euler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonhard_) also proposed a hollow-Earth idea, getting rid of multiple shells and postulating an interior sun 1000 km (600 miles) across to provide light to advanced inner-Earth civilization (but they provide no references). However in his Letters to a German princess Euler describes a thought experiment involving a patently solid Earth.

De Camp and Ley also claim that Sir John Leslie expanded on Euler's idea, suggesting two central suns named Pluto and Proserpine (this was unrelated to the dwarf planet Pluto, which was discovered and named some time later). Leslie did propose a hollow Earth in his 1829 Elements of Natural Philosophy (pp. 449Ð453), but does not mention interior suns.


19th century

In 1818, John Cleves Symmes, Jr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cleves_Symmes,_Jr.) suggested that the Earth consisted of a hollow shell about 1300 km (800 miles) thick, with openings about 2300 km (1400 miles) across at both poles with 4 inner shells each open at the poles. Symmes became the most famous of the early Hollow Earth proponents. He proposed making an expedition to the North Pole hole, thanks to efforts of one of his followers, James McBride, but the new President of the United States, Andrew Jackson, halted the attempt.

Jeremiah Reynolds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_N._Reynolds) also delivered lectures on the "Hollow Earth" and argued for an expedition. Reynolds went on an expedition to Antarctica himself but missed joining the Great U.S. Exploring Expedition of 1838-1842, even though that venture was a result of his agitation.

Though Symmes himself never wrote a book about his ideas, several authors published works discussing his ideas. McBride wrote Symmes' Theory of Concentric Spheres in 1826. It appears that Reynolds has an article that appeared as a separate booklet in 1827: Remarks of Symmes' Theory Which Appeared in the American Quarterly Review.

In 1868, a professor W.F. Lyons published The Hollow Globe which put forth a Symmes-like Hollow Earth hypothesis, but didn't mention Symmes. Symmes's son Americus then published The Symmes' Theory of Concentric Spheres to set the record straight.



Recent Theories

The Thule Society (http://www.crystalinks.com/thule.html), which was well known by Adolf Hitler, (http://www.crystalinks.com/hitler.html)reported much about Tibetan myths of openings into the Earth. There is even a theory that Hitler ordered a research journey for such an opening in Antarctica, based on a speech of Admiral Donitz in front of a German submarine in 1944, when he claimed "The German submarine fleet is proud of having built an invisible fortification for the Fuhrer, anywhere in the world." During the Nuremberg Trials, Donitz spoke of "an invisible fortification, in midst of the eternal ice."

As the story goes ... Hitler and his followers wanted to create a race of super soldiers an Ayran race (like the Atlanteans) to rule the world. They came to this conclusion through the acceptance of many occult beliefs and practices, including the Hollow Earth Theory. There is a legend which says that Hitler and his chief advisers escaped the last days of the Third Reich by going through the opening at the South Pole (Antarctica) where they discovered an entrance to the Earth's interior. According to the Hollow Earth Research Society in Ontario, Canada, they are still there. After the war, the organization claims, the Allies discovered that more than 2,000 scientists from Germany and Italy had vanished, along with almost a million people, to the land beyond the South Pole. This story gets more complicated with Nazi-designed UFOs, Nazi collaboration with the people who live in the center of the Earth, and the possible explanation for "Aryan-looking" UFO pilots.

In 2005, Steven Currey Expeditions planned an expedition to the North Pole region to explore for a possible opening into the inner Earth. Brooks A. Agnew took over as leader on Currey's death in 2006, with the plan of taking 100 scientists and film makers to the supposed Arctic "opening" in 2009.

An early twentieth-century proponent of hollow Earth, William Reed, wrote Phantom of the Poles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_of_the_Poles) in 1906. He supported the idea of a hollow Earth, but without interior shells or inner sun.


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Marshall Gardner wrote A Journey to the Earth's Interior in 1913 and an expanded edition in 1920. He placed an interior sun in the hollow Earth. He even built a working model of the hollow Earth and patented it. Gardner made no mention of Reed, but did take Symmes to task for his ideas. In the same time Vladimir Obruchev wrote a fiction novel Plutonia, where the hollow Earth's interior possessed one inner (central) sun and was inhabited by prehistoric species. The interior was connected with the surface by a hole in the Arctic.

Other writers have proposed that ascended masters (http://www.crystalinks.com/ascendedmasters.html) of esoteric wisdom inhabit subterranean caverns or a hollow Earth. Antarctica, the North Pole, Tibet, Peru, and Mount Shasta in California, USA, have all had their advocates as the locations of entrances to a subterranean realm referred to as Agartha, with some even advancing the hypothesis that UFOs have their homeland in these places.


Raymond W. Bernard

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In 1964, Raymond W. Bernard, an esotericist and leader of the Rosicrucians published The Hollow Earth - The Greatest Geographical Discovery in History Made by Admiral Richard E. Byrd in the Mysterious Land Beyond the Poles - The True Origin of the Flying Saucers. Bernard tells stories about people who have entered the inner earth and what has happened to them. It mentions a photograph published in 1960 in the Globe and Mail in Toronto, Canada which shows a beautiful valley with lush hills. An aviator claimed that he had taken the picture while flying into the North Pole.

In his Letters from Nowhere, Bernard claims to have been in contact with great mystics in secret ashrams and with Grand Lamas in Tibet. He was, in short, another Gurdjieff. Dr. Bernard "died of pneumonia on September 10, 1965, while searching the tunnel openings to the interior of the Earth, in South America."

Bernard seems to have accepted every legend ever associated with the hollow Earth idea, including the notions that the Eskimos originated within the Earth and an advanced civilization dwells within even now, revving up their UFOs for occasional forays into thin air. Bernard even accepts without question Shaver's claim that he learned the secret of relativity before Einstein from the Hollow Earth people.


The Adventures of Admiral Byrd

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Admiral Richard E. Byrd of the United States Navy flew to the North Pole in 1926 and over the South Pole in 1929. He referred to Antarctica as "The Land of Everlasting Mystery". In reference to the North Pole he wrote: "I'd like to see that land beyond the North Pole, it is the Center of the Great Unknown."

In his diary, Byrd allegedly tells of entering the hollow interior of the earth, along with others and traveling 17 miles over mountains, lakes, rivers, green vegetation, and animal life. He tells of seeing tremendous animals resembling the mammoths of antiquity moving through the brush. He eventually found cities and a thriving civilization. The external temperature was 74 degrees F. His airplane was greeted by flying machines of a type he had never seen before. They escorted him to a safe landing area where he was graciously greeted by emissaries from Agartha. After resting, he and his crew, were taken to meet the king and queen of Agartha. They told him that he had been allowed to enter Agartha because of his high moral and ethical character. They went on to say that they worried about the safety of planet due to he bombs and other testing done above the surface by governments. After the visit Byrd and his crew were guided back to the surface of the planet.

Byrd stated that the North and South Poles are only two of many openings into the center of the Earth. He also wrote about seeing a sun below the Earth.

Did Admiral Byrd Fly Over the North Pole or Not? (http://www.livescience.com/28727-byrd-didn-t-fly-over-north-pole.html) Live Science - April 16, 2013


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On May 9, 1926, famed American explorer Richard Byrd took off from the Norwegian Arctic island of Spitsbergen along with his pilot, Floyd Bennett, in an attempt to be the first to fly to the North Pole. About 16 hours later, the pair returned to the island in their Fokker tri-motor airplane, the Josephine Ford, saying they had indeed accomplished the feat. Byrd submitted his navigational records to the U.S. Navy and a committee of the National Geographic Society, one of his sponsors, who confirmed the accomplishment, according to the Ohio State University Libraries. Byrd was hailed as a hero, given the Medal of Honor, and went on to fly over the South Pole, as well as achieving many other polar exploration milestones. But from 1926 onward, not everyone thought that Byrd and Bennett actually made it to the North Pole. The controversy largely rested on whether the plane could have covered the distance in just 15 hours and 44 minutes, as the team recorded, when the flight was expected to take about 18 hours, given the ground speed of the aircraft.

Source (http://www.crystalinks.com/hollowearth.html)

[turiya]

Continued from the above post.... from the same Source (http://www.crystalinks.com/hollowearth.html)...


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[bbow73]

dang, going to take me a while to take all this in.

[Bill Ryan]

I'm still not 100% sure what this thread is really about :bigsmile: — but I watched this last night, and was transfixed:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJPERZDfyWc
I was so struck (and sometimes quite astonished) by some of what I was seeing, that I downloaded the video in high resolution to I could watch it again slowly, easily pausing and going back if needed. SO much information is presented in rapid-fire sequence. Highly recommended.

If the true nature of the global creative process isn't the purpose of this thread, it definitely needs its own. :)

[bbow73]

I'm still not 100% sure what this thread is really about :bigsmile: — but I watched this last night, and was transfixed:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJPERZDfyWc
I was so struck (and sometimes quite astonished) by some of what I was seeing, that I downloaded the video in high resolution to I could watch it again slowly, easily pausing and going back if needed. SO much information is presented in rapid-fire sequence. Highly recommended.

If the true nature of the global creative process isn't the purpose of this thread, it definitely needs its own. :)

lol, my speech and writing can skip when communicating my stream of consciousness.
I saw the remix video and wondered if some of the SSP narratives were just remixes of sci-fi pop culture that were either intentionally fabricated or unintentionally expressed through a sort of collective unconsciousness. Or, maybe it's the other way around (the SSP narrative is not a remix) and the real narrative was incepted into various writers and artists. Or, story is exactly as it is told (milabs processed for a 20&back have their erased memories recovered by MRIs and concussions etc).

[Foxie Loxie]

Too funny AND amazing! :clapping: Who was it that said, "There is nothing new under the sun"? :sun: