Canadians - keeping private citizens info green lighted

[Flash]

A law project is studied in parliament actually to allow our spies agencies to collect and keep information on private citizens, without cause.

This is the end of freedom - Soviet Union style within 10 years if we allow this.

The article I took it from was written on the overwhelming incompetencies of CSIS (our CIA) to keep information collected on Citizen with cause from prying eyes. Indiscrétions, divulgation of sensitive information, etc. They compared the security of our agency to the Pink Panther or Austin Power instead of James Bond like.

But within the text, came this law project used by the opposition to justify a better security to keep citizens private information.

I jumped: what!!! the opposition parties do not oppose this law???? Are they sold as well?

I cannot find anything in English newspapers, but I found this, where it is clearly stated that Canada has a humongous database for information on all its Citizen and it is legal for the RCMP and CSIS to request and obtain the information on anyone.

Therefore, the new law would be simply to put into law what is actually happening.

Orwelian...

Trudeau and his government are entirely sold, my conclusion

In French: http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/06/27/des-services-secrets-dignes-dune-comedie-selon-lopposition

[AutumnW]

Data bases on citizens are kept in Canada to try to manage social programs, etc...it's not necessarily malevolent.

[Flash]

Data bases on citizens are kept in Canada to try to manage social programs, etc...it's not necessarily malevolent.

The new law is not for social programs, but to collect on everyone and give open access to CSIS, nothing to do with social programs

RCMP and CSIS actually have access on anyone's file.

We had this discussion before AutumnW, you seem to always think that our government is genuinely working for the people while collecting info, while I do not.

When this is into law, we have no recourse if there is abuse. And abuse there will be given time.

When it is tolerate of for social programs, abuse can always lead to lawsuit, therefore the agencies are more careful.

[AutumnW]

Yes, I tend to think our current government is relatively benign. There is an issue with terrorists using the immigration system as a Trojan horse though, so I guess they feel they have to keep tabs on citizens.

There are so many real threats out there that I choose my battles, I guess. I will PM you.

[CurEus]

We are also likely to have open borders with the UK, New Zealand and Australia shortly. It is expected that the databases be quite robust. This is not "new" per se. Canada has always had a dossier on everyone. Just didn't keep it all in the same place...usually. Communists, unions, protesters, environmentalists, anarchists, academics...

To be blunt, Google "knows" far more about us than the Federal Government who still after 6 months cannot even figure out their own payroll system. I think we'll be okay. incompetence will save us!!

[AutumnW]

I know people who share a LOT of info on Facebook but avoid the govt census.

[AutumnW]

We are also likely to have open borders with the UK, New Zealand and Australia shortly. It is expected that the databases be quite robust. This is not "new" per se. Canada has always had a dossier on everyone. Just didn't keep it all in the same place...usually. Communists, unions, protesters, environmentalists, anarchists, academics...

To be blunt, Google "knows" far more about us than the Federal Government who still after 6 months cannot even figure out their own payroll system. I think we'll be okay. incompetence will save us!!

Yes. And most Canadians are too busy cross training, doing yoga and 'being tolerant' to have time to be evil. Stephen Harper was the exception. He turned the different evils into a political and moral decathlon.

[DeDukshyn]

We are also likely to have open borders with the UK, New Zealand and Australia shortly. It is expected that the databases be quite robust. This is not "new" per se. Canada has always had a dossier on everyone. Just didn't keep it all in the same place...usually. Communists, unions, protesters, environmentalists, anarchists, academics...

To be blunt, Google "knows" far more about us than the Federal Government who still after 6 months cannot even figure out their own payroll system. I think we'll be okay. incompetence will save us!!

Yes. And most Canadians are too busy cross training, doing yoga and 'being tolerant' to have time to be evil. Stephen Harper was the exception. He turned the different evils into a political and moral decathlon.

Trudeau isn't great by any means, but when I think back to Harper, I feel better about Trudeau ... :)

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
There is NO POINT to get excited about this law since governments have been keeping databases on each of us for decades. It used to be that the Canadian government couldn't spy on it's citizens so the USA did it for us and vise versa. Now it's just the Canadians spying on Canadians and the USA spying on the USA citizens.
When you cross the border the US border patrol can get any information on you they need. They can access Canadian databases for the information.
That's why I disagree with when the Canadian government gives free access to Canadian databases.
We already don't have any rights!
In Alberta we have the town and city police. The RCMP throughout the rural towns etc. The Sheriffs which were suppose to be only about 100 in the province which is now from what I can find is about 10,000 - 12,000 sheriff/police. We are a police state for people who are mostly law abiding citizens.
Welcome to the new age.
chancy

[Ernie Nemeth]

Trudeau is establishment through and through. If you want the agenda of the globalists then he's your man. Connections all the way to the queen and beyond. He is no friend of the people.

Harper is not conservative he is a western separatist, with a very specific agenda counter to the globalists.

Canada itself is the heartland of elitists. It is a place of foreign ownership, where most of the assets are owned by foreign nationals. Always has been, always will. Heck, more and more, our government sells public assets to foreigners. Our highways, our Workers Compensation board, our pipelines, our oil, our minerals - all owned by foreigners.

Back in the eighties the scare was that we had better find a way to own our own resources and assets because at the time some 60% of Canada was under foreign control. That conversation all but died out and now we have "free trade" so that foreigners can by our homes, condos and, apartments and leave us paying many times the true value for housing.

Canada is bought and sold by foreigners with no intrinsic tie to this Country.

Such anti-social laws that breech our privacy is the action of globalists, who have no concern for our rights or concerns.

[CurEus]

Overall Trudeau is a kinder gentler, prettier globalist.
Canadians will take selfies with him as we are sold down the river.
We tend to be amenable to most of his propaganda.......Harper was cruel, harsh and MUCH too deeply in the pockets of corporatism and quite the total dick. He was probably upsetting some agendas ( immigration) while advancing others. Perhaps his job was just to prepare us for Trudeau?

I guess "we're on the globalist radar" but often we're ignored when the big boys are playing.
After our soft merger with the UK, NZ, and Aus....we'll probably align policies faster than we would have with the EU or the USA/Mexico.
Although TBH....I'm not very happy with Australian or UK policies over the last 5 years or so.

[sandy]

forget Globalist.......lets use words that say it like it is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>how about "Corporate Fascism" globally!

[CurEus]

Well......we'll all get wherever we're going when we get there. Be it through Corporate Fascism, Communism, Cultural Marxism, Revolution or enlightenment, ascension or our molecules blown apart by solar flares. :) I prefer the nice ways and good outcomes.

[Daughter of Time]

I know a number of people who have been terrorized by the RCMP.

One - a young male was accosted by an RCMP officer who told him every single personal detail he knew about this young man. These were highly personal things he'd never told anyone. Then he was told to stay away from a certain person (a friend/lover) or else all his little secrets would become public. He complied! He stopped seeing the lover and the secrets remained secret. This was around 20 years ago.

A woman - a young homeopath two years out of college had set up a little homeopathic office. One day two men went to visit her. They showed their RCMP badges and demanded the file for one of her clients. She said files are confidential. They told her that if she didn't comply, within 48 hours they'd produce (false) evidence to close her practice. Terrified, she gave them the file. I don't know if they can do this to an MD but to a young, female homeopath, it was easy enough to scare. They wanted a young man's medical history and they got it. She almost closed her office because the experience had been so terrifying and she broke her oath to maintain confidentiality. Quite a crisis for her but she's still practicing. This was around 10 years ago.

This probably happens every day. Many would never imagine this in Canada because we live in such a good country, compared to the rest of the world, that is. Freedom in a 3D world is an illusion.

[CurEus]

I do not doubt we tend to think we are freer and better than elsewhere....we're not of course!