Feelin' "the Bern?"

[Chester]

I had always wondered why Bernie Sanders somehow "got over" getting screwed (cheated) by the DNC out of his nomination.

But now... I think I may have figured it out. Well, at least my imagination has -

Just imagine "a deep state agency official" whispering in his ear..."Bernie, we got your wife on a slam dunk fraud charge and you may also have some complicity issues. But hey, all that can be swept under the table by our 'friends in high places.' All you gotta do is support Hillary. Come out publicly that you accept the voters choice and then back her publicly.

...and the rest, they say, is history.

[Jad]

So you really think that if Bernie was president then it would have made any real difference in terms of the living conditions of the American people, and the US foreign policy? I even remember watching a video of him plainly stating that the president can't do any real change cause all the power lies with the big corporations.

[Chester]

So you really think that if Bernie was president then it would have made any real difference in terms of the living conditions of the American people, and the US foreign policy? I even remember watching a video of him plainly stating that the president can't do any real change cause all the power lies with the big corporations.

Forgive me but nowhere in my post is there any implication of what you are suggesting I might be thinking.

My entire post was only speculation as to why Bernie seemed to uncharacteristically choose to support Hillary while simultaneously choosing to avoid any public complaint that he was cheated.

Thankfully, Trump won... and speaking for myself and my family, already our living conditions have improved and I am grateful.


Ohhh and for the record, when I think of Bernie Sanders, I think of Venezuela and the bullet the US has dodged if he had somehow won.

[turiya]

So you really think that if Bernie was president then it would have made any real difference in terms of the living conditions of the American people, and the US foreign policy? I even remember watching a video of him plainly stating that the president can't do any real change cause all the power lies with the big corporations.

That says it all, just about...

Bernie is a globalist to his bone marrow... He certainly would have signed onto the Paris Accord - even 'pseudo' science cannot be disputed - Global Warming is directly causing terrorism... Yes, you read that correctly...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cUi1s9lpys

[AutumnW]

Nobody rises to a high position of power in the U.S. unless they can be controlled somehow. Elliot Spitzer, case in point. A day or two before he was about to blow the whistle on the big banks and the sub prime fiasco, he was outed for frequenting prostitutes. Big deal. Who cares. Whenever anyone is dragged through the mud, for basically nothing, I redirect focus away from the target of the attack and towards what they have been trying to accomplish.

I don't care about Samder's wife and her 'fraud.' I want to k ow who is going after her and why.

[Wind]

To me it was really disappointing to see Bernie "support" that witch, but I feel he was threatened, there's no doubt about in my mind. Hillary C is an extremely dangerous woman so I wouldn't be surprised if she was behind it. Sadly it would take a long time to see a "socialist" (that's a curse word for many Americans I hear) leading a country such as USA. It's just unfathomable that everyone should have equal rights and that the country shouldn't be run by oligarchs at the expense of the poor & common people. The whole country is being run like a big business, the end goal is just to make profit. Businesses have never been about the people and never will be, until that is realized nothing will ever change for the better.

[bbow73]

I was devastated by the DNC primary. I was horrified at the evidence for reprograming voting machines (Clint Curtis), manipulation of directing Sanders supporters to voting locations where the machines were rigged (Seth Rich), the string of dead bodies to cover the trail (Shawn Lucas among others), the media blackout, and the Veritas video confessions.... and then worst of all, the complete apathy from all my liberal friends (and lets not forget the sadistic John Podesta). I voted for Jill Stein.

I don't know how much would have changed but he would have been a great voice to set the tone for a new vision.

I will never support Sanders again, but I do suspect that his grandkids were threatened. I don't think he knew how dirty the game was at the level he attempted to play.

I do think its possible for a Tyrion Lanister type dark horse to take a presidency and knock the schmit out of some deep state mofos. But that is some metagame play that you rarely see in an altruist.

[onawah]

I think globalism is inevitable if Earth is to become an active member of the galactic community, which seems to be happening whether we like it or not.
The question is, what kind of globalism will it be and who will design the blueprint?
I found George Green's
( See: http://www.projectcamelot.org/george_green.html )
...approach to the question to be reasonable in his series of books Handbook for the New Paradigm which you can still read free online:
See:
http://nohoax.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=24&catid=1
I don't think Sanders was really up to the task of being POTUS, but it's a moot point, since the presidency is nothing but a front for the puppet masters anyway, and it will take a lot more than one person to change that.
Trump as POTUS might actually be a good thing in a horrid sort of way because I think it will inevitably make everyone take a longer, harder look at the brink the world has come to.
Far from draining the swamp, he has rounded up the worst dinosaurs he could find to run things, and if that doesn't shock people awake, I don't know what will.
Hopefully, enough will be awake in time to insist on a plan that will actually work.
I think we don't have much longer before the whole planet is trashed to the point where disaster upon disaster is the only other way to clean the mess up.

[Fellow Aspirant]

I find it far more plausible that Sanders decided that further riling up of the party would not serve him, the Dems, or the country. It was pretty obvious that the party's leaders had made their decision as to who they would support. Instead, he took the wise path of backing off, and letting the Dems see the result of their actions. He supported the party, and his country, even when the Dems would not support him. Simple as that.

B.

[Ben]

Sam, I totally agree.

When he switched his allegiance to Hilary, I immediately thought, he's been got at.

It would take a unbelievbly strong mind to carry on what he'd being doing, whil'st knowing your entire family could be in the firing line.

Hats off to him, he needs love and support.

[Chester]

I find it far more plausible that Sanders decided that further riling up of the party would not serve him, the Dems, or the country. It was pretty obvious that the party's leaders had made their decision as to who they would support. Instead, he took the wise path of backing off, and letting the Dems see the result of their actions. He supported the party, and his country, even when the Dems would not support him. Simple as that.

B.

well... except that Bernie Sanders is an independent (and the longest independent in US Senate history).

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/29/bernie-sanders-sticks-independent-label-leaves-doo/

Anyways... my money is on "he was gotten to" and one of the ways they do that is to show you they got you and/or your loved ones on a slam dunk embarrassing legal case. His behavior just seemed toooo impossible for a normal human being who was cheated out of becoming one of the two choices for US President.

And so if my theory has merit, the case was made by "the Justice Department" long before the nomination was finalized and yet didn't go forward but that not every department official was totally in the bag for the dems and so, leaked the investigation findings to some of the new folks who now see it wise to harm Sander's image in case he's still thinking of running again in 2020. And that, my friends, is politics everywhere in the world.

As for love and support, he knows the game he's involved with as well as the league he plays in (The Real Big Leagues) and so though I feel sorry for anyone no matter who they are if they are targeted for political purposes, I don't feel sorry for his wife, his family and Bernie if their is actual serious merit to the case.

I also do not support any form of socialism, especially extreme socialism. Why? It kills human dignity. Unacceptable in every way.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Theories & speculation such as this are the breeding grounds for fake news, you realize, of course. As for Bernie being an independent, it's not applicable as he was, after all, running for the Democratic candidacy, not as an Independent. Although, in hind sight, perhaps he should have.

Bernie backed off because he was, and is, a good man.

B.

[Chester]

Theories & speculation such as this are the breeding grounds for fake news, you realize, of course. As for Bernie being an independent, it's not applicable as he was, after all, running for the Democratic candidacy, not as an Independent. Although, in hind sight, perhaps he should have.

Bernie backed off because he was, and is, a good man.

B.

Your statement that Bernie is a good man is your theory and speculation. I happen to agree with you that he is a good man in that I believe he believes in his political ideology and convictions.

Note though that this is a forum where folks quite often share all and only their opinions. But just because I am aware that sometimes folks may get the feeling the opinion I share is meant to be perceived as fact, I also have the following clarification in my signature which accompanies each and every post I make.


All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

I was very clear how I characterized everything in this thread and if something like this becomes someone else's "fake news" then a.) the ones who believed such fake news should take personal responsibility for allowing another to convert an opinion into fact and b.) those who so make such fake news out of opinions should get a conscience.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Well, this is exactly how fake news works, isn't it? Someone posts speculative opinion, which you clearly identified as such, but the next iteration is when someone does a cut 'n' paste of the speculation (Hello Alex! How ya do'in', RT?) and states it as a rumour - the first time around, only to verify it as a fact a couple of days later, and "Away we go!!!

Yes, my statements are my opinion, as are yours. Everybody's got 'em.The grist for the forum. :cool:

And given that you are indulging in speculation, I feel obliged to ask whether your idea is based on any sort of reality-based trigger, or is it perhaps simply a gut feeling that has a basis in a wish fulfillment of some sort?

B.

[Chester]

And given that you are indulging in speculation, I feel obliged to ask whether your idea is based on any sort of reality-based trigger, or is it perhaps simply a gut feeling that has a basis in a wish fulfillment of some sort?
B.

Neither. I happen to be an odds maker by trade and so I look at all sorts of possibilities and make odds on them. Because, also, I have been around the block for almost 60 years, I found my theory pluasible. See... the wrong people won and Bernie never imagined that. If the right people had won and he continued to be supportive of Hillary for 2020, then the Justice Department would probably still be sitting on the charge until the statute of limitations run out. The theory is "deep state 101" and certainly not too hard to figure out as plausible.

Ohhh and as for wish fulfillment, if I had my wish, folks wouldn't do these sorts of things to others (blackmail) but right now, that ideal appears to be a fantasy. But if my theory is right, Bernie bet on the wrong team, huh?

[Helene West]

When I saw sanders Not Fight for his position when he had a more than a shot at being a serious democratic rival to Clinton, I also noted he didn't have much of a reaction at all. He largely continued campaigning without acknowledging much of anything going on around him strategically. He seemed quite calm to me.

I started to feel he was part of the scam. The clinton machinery picked a good actor with him. Old, with the veneer of caring via the socialism blather, and though he was white he wasn't one of the bad gentile white guys. He was jewish... he had an 'oppression' card so the brainwashed millennials didn't have to go into conflict with their hate (gentile) white men programming...perfect....

Additionally, if him and his wife's current problems are any clue, the clinton machinery also picked him cause he was blackmailable. You don't get to his age and just suddenly start putting your mitts into the cookie jar...

He helped lasso together one of the biggest groups of voters that clinton could never have persuaded on her own. His job was to deliver millennials to her, and he did, not that all of them voted for her but more than probably would have had he not endorsed her...

Hopefully clinton will come to his and his wife's rescue in light of their past service but he could still be on the gig, providing diversion in the news from clinton so she can continue to slither around without any further questioning or investigation. Nice Grandpa may still be on the payola...

[Praxis]

I really like what onawah said. We need a global society. It is just a matter of which version we get.

Hearing people rail against globalism really turns me off. We need to come together as a species and start to solve planetary levels problems and get over this nationalism nonsense.



About Sanders, It was very clear when you watched the DNC coronation. Go back and rewatch it. Sanders was physically roughed up to get him to concede and probably threatened. Take that body language stuff many talk about and apply it to his reaction to her speech during that event. His face shows marks like he was hit at least once, and he doesnt smile or react to her BS but does nod to a point she makes about platform.

[turiya]

I would agree that in order to move into the stars, this world will have to be united. But not under the rule of a Rothschild / Rockefeller / Central /IMF banking control system dictated by Royal family elites, Vatican & Black Pope... You're counting your chickens before they're hatched, imo. First things first... Dream all you want about how things should be... but the reality of the situation should still hit you smack dab in your face!

Nation State Sovereignty should come first. Not the socialist / communist manifesto that these criminals want to take it to.

[Praxis]

Im counting nothing. I agree. I dont want the world order they are trying to create.

No, human sovereignty comes first, and I think this is why we dont see eye to eye. I believe in humans rights as primary not secondary to nation states rights. Nation states are merely a tool that will be discarded once we stop being children and realize that we are all humans and need to work together. Humans rights come first. And if you have the right to life, then you also have the right to food, water, and shelter or the right is functionally meaningless. The nation that recognizes this first will then over take all other nations, violating their national sovereignty(you see now why what you said it silly?), either by force or willingly. ( this by the way is why the octopus hates America and is trying to destroy it because we are that nation that should be bringing human sovereignty front and center). Or all nations will collectively agree to dissolve all nations and form a human nation state of earth, again coming from the foundation of human rights as primary as the would have no other reason to dissolve themselves (but this is as far fetched as the communist route working out).

Turiya, here is a challenge to you: make your points without using memes(socialist, communist, progressive, liberal, cuck, lib tards). Those words to me are like someone saying conspiracy theorist, it says more about you than anything else.

For example, you are a liberal by this definition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism), at least one would hope. If not, we dont really have anything left to discuss politically because I actually believe in freedom and equality and if you dont then we will never see eye to eye.

[turiya]

Im counting nothing. I agree. I dont want the world order they are trying to create.

No, human sovereignty comes first, and I think this is why we dont see eye to eye. I believe in humans rights as primary not secondary to nation states rights. Nation states are merely a tool that will be discarded once we stop being children and realize that we are all humans and need to work together. Humans rights come first. And if you have the right to life, then you also have the right to food, water, and shelter or the right is functionally meaningless. The nation that recognizes this first will then over take all other nations, violating their national sovereignty(you see now why what you said it silly?), either by force or willingly. ( this by the way is why the octopus hates America and is trying to destroy it because we are that nation that should be bringing human sovereignty front and center). Or all nations will collectively agree to dissolve all nations and form a human nation state of earth, again coming from the foundation of human rights as primary as the would have no other reason to dissolve themselves (but this is as far fetched as the communist route working out).

Turiya, here is a challenge to you: make your points without using memes (socialist, communist, progressive, liberal, cuck, lib tards). Those words to me are like someone saying conspiracy theorist, it says more about you than anything else.

For example, you are a liberal by this definition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism), at least one would hope. If not, we dont really have anything left to discuss politically because I actually believe in freedom and equality and if you dont then we will never see eye to eye.

Well, 9'O'Clubs, it appears we have nothing to talk about. Because you ask me to Not refer to a political ideology to discuss 'liberalism'... yet this is, in itself, a political ideology. This is contradictory. Take a good look at what you just wrote. You are using the definition of a political ideology to define what it is to be a 'liberal'. That would be considered to be "talking out of both sides of your," im my book.

So, you are saying that you can use the language of a political ideology in this discussion, but I can't. Certainly, that makes all the sense to you, but makes absolutely no sense to me....

From the same wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism):

"Liberalism is a political philosophy..."

"According to the Encyclopædia Britannica:
"In the United States, liberalism is associated with the welfare-state policies of the New Deal programme of the Democratic administration of Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt, whereas in Europe it is more commonly associated with a commitment to limited government and laissez-faire economic policies."[25] Consequently, in the U.S., the ideas of individualism and laissez-faire economics previously associated with classical liberalism became the basis for the emerging school of libertarian thought,[26] and are key components of American conservatism.

In North America, unlike Europe and Latin America, the word liberalism almost exclusively refers to social liberalism. The dominant Canadian party is the Liberal Party and in the United States, the Democratic Party, is usually considered liberal."

Like those liberal rioters at Berkley, supposedly 'home of the Freedom of Speech movement,' who have violently rioted to prevent an individual from making public a 'free speech' presentation... no, I will leave chasing one's own tail to the barking dogs... (Oh, did I just make myself out to be a Conspiracy Theorist? Well, I'll be dog-gone... Oops, there I did it again...)

:)

I leave you with the following... (The title could be easily changed to Liberal-ISM.)


"ISM" ... "Make Mine Freedom" (1948) cartoon ...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NxsNU7ZZAlU/hqdefault.jpg
VIDEO (https://youtu.be/Oz9fX_HfsXA)

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Well, 9'O'Clubs, it appears we have nothing to talk about.

And this will continue to be true so long as people remain imprisoned by belief systems.

You cannot have a discussion with a belief system.

Turiya, 9ofClubs is trying to say something of value. You post an awful lot on subjects near and dear to your heart. This is a great place for that. As you post, I invite you to ask yourself what your goal is. I've watched as you've consistently used divisive language and painted a world of "your team" and "others". The result of that is likely to be that people who already agree with you will cheer for you and anyone else will simply close their ears to your message. If it's just for the joy of expressing your deeply held beliefs, then I say this is just intellectual masturbation.

In a debate, people attack different views and defend their own in an attempt to "win". Viewpoints do not change as that would mean someone has to "lose". No growth is possible.

In a discussion, people share ideas and consider new points of view. We may not adopt a new viewpoint, but we certainly gain an understanding of the viewpoints of others. Growth is possible.

9ofclubs is simply suggesting that we, as a community, work together instead of alienating each other. And why not? There's nothing to fear there. Or we can just keep masturbating over our own glorious viewpoints which make us superior to the bad people who think otherwise.

Please seriously consider what I am saying. We can build walls or we can build bridges. Let's build bridges.

In order to learn anything knew, we must first let go of what we think we know to be true. Otherwise, we are nothing but slaves to reaction.

[onawah]

Wish I'd said that, Whiskey Mystic. Thanks so much.:happythumbsup:

[Helene West]

Turiya

9 of Clbs 'challenged' you to respond to him 'without using memes' giving you examples of what you couldn't/shouldn't say...

Aside from your excellent reply to him I just want to add that on a thread of my own he responded to me identifying himself as a 'Cis-gendered male'. Now if that ain't a big fat meme, nothing is!

[AutumnW]

Hats off to Whiskey Mystic. He is trying his best to calm the waters not 'score points.'

[bbow73]

Theories & speculation such as this are the breeding grounds for fake news, you realize, of course. As for Bernie being an independent, it's not applicable as he was, after all, running for the Democratic candidacy, not as an Independent. Although, in hind sight, perhaps he should have.

Bernie backed off because he was, and is, a good man.

B.

I wish people would stop using the expression 'fake news' it is an Orwellian term made up by the media to dumb down the conversation.
There are tabloids, conspiracy sites, politically skewed sites, satirical sites, and click bait sites.... and corporate media monopolies that generate propaganda.

[AutumnW]

So you really think that if Bernie was president then it would have made any real difference in terms of the living conditions of the American people, and the US foreign policy? I even remember watching a video of him plainly stating that the president can't do any real change cause all the power lies with the big corporations.

Forgive me but nowhere in my post is there any implication of what you are suggesting I might be thinking.

My entire post was only speculation as to why Bernie seemed to uncharacteristically choose to support Hillary while simultaneously choosing to avoid any public complaint that he was cheated.

Thankfully, Trump won... and speaking for myself and my family, already our living conditions have improved and I am grateful.


Ohhh and for the record, when I think of Bernie Sanders, I think of Venezuela and the bullet the US has dodged if he had somehow won.

When I think of a Bernie Sander's win, I picture a diverse economy presided over by a president who would have to cow tow to the military industrial complex, but who might usher in some European style rule by consensus, rather than oligopoly.

Venezuela torpedoed for a number of reasons--the main one being over reliance on oil revenues, that crashed.

[AutumnW]

Theories & speculation such as this are the breeding grounds for fake news, you realize, of course. As for Bernie being an independent, it's not applicable as he was, after all, running for the Democratic candidacy, not as an Independent. Although, in hind sight, perhaps he should have.

Bernie backed off because he was, and is, a good man.

B.

I wish people would stop using the expression 'fake news' it is an Orwellian term made up by the media to dumb down the conversation.
There are tabloids, conspiracy sites, politically skewed sites, satirical sites, and click bait sites.... and corporate media monopolies that generate propaganda.

It's all fake. I think that's what Fellow Aspirant means here. If you think alt right sites like Breitbart are any more reliable than the New York Crimes, you are sadly mistaken.

Very few people are actually doing boots on the ground investigative work. They are relying on Mainstream media stories, which aren't reliable. The spin off opinion mill blogosphere, is referred back to, by some, as 'research'. Wow. Hardly.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Okay, I like your answer. Basing beliefs on "gut responses" IS a thing around here. So fair enough.

It's just that my gut tells me that Bernie got shafted and he decided to take one for the team, at least the team that most closely allied with his personal beliefs.

As for his choice of team, I don't think it was a matter of simply betting on who would win (here you are revealing your world view as an odds maker ; )) but on whose side he could, in good conscience, play for. Supporting Trump would never be in the cards for him.

I still take the Occam Razor route, one without the labyrinthine backroom twists of politics, and say that, in my opinion, it's within the personal makeup of Bernie Sanders to be the bigger (and better) man.

After all, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Cheers,

Brian

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Hear! Hear! :happythumbsup:





Well, 9'O'Clubs, it appears we have nothing to talk about.

And this will continue to be true so long as people remain imprisoned by belief systems.

You cannot have a discussion with a belief system.

Turiya, 9ofClubs is trying to say something of value. You post an awful lot on subjects near and dear to your heart. This is a great place for that. As you post, I invite you to ask yourself what your goal is. I've watched as you've consistently used divisive language and painted a world of "your team" and "others". The result of that is likely to be that people who already agree with you will cheer for you and anyone else will simply close their ears to your message. If it's just for the joy of expressing your deeply held beliefs, then I say this is just intellectual masturbation.

In a debate, people attack different views and defend their own in an attempt to "win". Viewpoints do not change as that would mean someone has to "lose". No growth is possible.

In a discussion, people share ideas and consider new points of view. We may not adopt a new viewpoint, but we certainly gain an understanding of the viewpoints of others. Growth is possible.

9ofclubs is simply suggesting that we, as a community, work together instead of alienating each other. And why not? There's nothing to fear there. Or we can just keep masturbating over our own glorious viewpoints which make us superior to the bad people who think otherwise.

Please seriously consider what I am saying. We can build walls or we can build bridges. Let's build bridges.

In order to learn anything knew, we must first let go of what we think we know to be true. Otherwise, we are nothing but slaves to reaction.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Fake news is when someone intentionally promulgates information as "news" that they know is a lie, in order to achieve a nefarious end.

Yup. Propaganda.

B.

[Chester]

"Just the facts mam"

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