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Saudis, Taiwan, Qatar and more! Lockheed and Raytheon must love President Trump. All these billion dollar weapon deals, what could possibly go wrong? Does anyone think that these countries are just going to stock pile these weapons for a rainy day?
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/us-clears-massive-arms-deal-for-taiwan
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-saudi-idUSKBN18832N
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-qatar-weapons-deal-12-billion-day-accuse-terrorism-saudi-arabiaqatar-signs-loa-for-the-a7790956.html
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wnlight
3rd July 2017, 19:57
This is why I am an expat living in Ecuador. I have had fleeting thoughts about revoking my USA citizenship. But HEY, I served for my country four years during the Vietnam "war". (drafted) As an ex-patriot, I am a patriot of the country once called the USA that I was born in and grew up in during the 1950s and 1960s. Now that ex-country no longer exists.
I don't know the country that is now called the USA - the continuous war-faring nation that is also the biggest terrorist organization in the world. And don't bother tell me to vote out the bastards. They rule both sides of the aisle.
This is why I am an expat living in Ecuador. I have had fleeting thoughts about revoking my USA citizenship. But HEY, I served for my country four years during the Vietnam "war". (drafted) As an ex-patriot, I am a patriot of the country once called the USA that I was born in and grew up in during the 1950s and 1960s. Now that ex-country no longer exists.
I don't know the country that is now called the USA - the continuous war-faring nation that is also the biggest terrorist organization in the world. And don't bother tell me to vote out the bastards. They rule both sides of the aisle.
The United States has been continuously conducting combat operations since the 1st of January 1981 (start day for award of the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal for El Salvador), making President Obama the fourth President to have troops committed to combat service over the entirety of his two terms.
El Salvador: 1 Jan 81 to 1 February 92
Operations under the Iraq AUMF 1991
Desert Shield/Desert Storm 2 AUG 90-30 NOV 95
Operations Southern Watch 27 Aug 93-19 March 03
Operation Northern Watch 1 JAN 97-17 MAR 03
Note: Presidents Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, Obama have kept the Combat Zone established under the authority of the 1991 AUMF to remain open continuously during the period. And this has bankrupted the USA both morally and economically.
https://www.thenation.com/article/the-obama-administration-has-sold-more-weapons-than-any-other-administration-since-world-war-ii/
My father was trained as a pilot in UK fleet air arm in USA, but was so disillusioned after the war "why didn't they ever stop"?
As these rampaging asset-stripping globalists, who will only deal in the dollar and will trash everything in their path continue violating our precious planet, still pursue their overt agenda, they may forget the truthful undertow, which is stronger by the day, and underestimate our strength against negativity, austerity, cruelty, and their greed.
WhiteLove
3rd July 2017, 20:59
It is just not what we should be doing right now, let's put it that way.
Cidersomerset
3rd July 2017, 22:25
Genesis of the US Mil Ind Complex...
The US was already stepping up war production before they entered the conflict
arming the UK , France and other nations. HOW IT WORKS: WW2 Tank Factories
before Pearl Harbour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIvDNOAtVzw
After Pearl Harbour
HD Historic Archival Stock Footage WWII - U.S. Plants Speed War Production 1942
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World War II Military Newsreel 1942
U.S. Plants Speed War Production
An automobile assembly line is converted to war production.
Shows other war goods being made
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After the war the Allies and USSR slipped into the cold war after the Berlin airlift,
China , Korea ( still technically at war) As Eisenhower left office he warned of
the mil id complex which he oversaw as President and could see it getting out
of control......
Eisenhower's "Military-Industrial Complex" Speech Origins and Significance
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Just speech segment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
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After came Kennedy and the Cuba crisis , the ramping up of the cold war , Vietnam
and other minor conflicts leading up to the end of the cold war in 1989/90 and
what should have been a peace bonus and the reduction in mil spending.
But then came the neo -cons and later neo - dems and the 'project for the new
American century' CIA funding of terror groups in proxy wars , 9/11 and the
planned invasion of Afghanistan , Iraq and other targets to keep the blood
money coming in.General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries
In Five Years...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
Now although we escaped Hillary who would have taken us to war with Russia.
The the mil ind complex is alive and well and Trump will sell a tank/plane like
the best of them as seen with his sales trip to Saudi and Israel....
There are hundreds of vids/articles I could post on this but I hope this helps
any looking in.
PROXY WAR, US vs Russia: Who’s Winning & Who Are the Players
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Published on 9 Aug 2016
Even mainstream media now admits Obama has started a war with
Russia using proxies. Who’s on Team USA? Are we winning yet?
neutronstar
3rd July 2017, 22:34
Does anyone think that these countries are just going to stock pile these weapons for a rainy day?
Yes, I do. It is all about corporations making money. Look at the cold war. We made enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world a 1000 times over. They never used them, but they made a lot of money making them.
turiya
4th July 2017, 05:14
I can offer a different perspective...
Please pay attention...
"The Deep-State no longer controls our fate... I mean they're still going to try, they've been working on this for a very long time. But we are starting to get the upperhand. Trump is out there continually, everyday, telling everyone about 'Fake News.' He's not doing it just to do it.
Remember, the corporate media (MSM) has been spewing this garbage for a very long time. They've been taking stories from the Deep-State and just telling people, "This is the way it is." Somebody needs to wake up the American public. We've been propagandized for so long, people don't know what's up or down. They need to be shown, they need to be shown the truth.
Just like when you were woken up, you needed to be shown the truth. At first you didn't believe, you were angry, "I didn't want to hear it! Don't tell me this!" And then, you moved into the next phase, where you were angry... saying, "Can this be true? Have I been lied to all this time?" And then, acceptance. You started looking into this research, and you started telling other people, and other people thought you were crazy. Actually, they probably still think you're crazy. But, people need to be woken up right now. And the reason they needed to be woken up - not because the economic collapse that is coming - but because the truth is the most powerful weapon.
If he can get the majority of the country right now - to see the truth - the Deep State is completely finished... They are done!
Video below starts @ 8:33 of the following X22Report video...
The Fate Of The World Does Not
Lie In The Hands Of The Elite (https://youtu.be/u4DQzseRyzY?t=8m33s)
(Published on Jul 3, 2017)
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VIDEO (https://youtu.be/u4DQzseRyzY?t=8m33s)
Point #1: Now what's very interesting, the USS Stethem, a guided missile destroyer, sailed within 12 nautical miles of Triton Island, part of the Paracel Islands in the South China Sea. And it looks like the Deep State - they are pushing their agenda - sailing their ships very close to these islands, trying to provoke China, still.
Now, we need to remember something very important: Trump does not have full control of every aspect of the government. There are rogue elements still inside the government that are controlling certain areas. And, we can see this out in the Middle East, we can see it out in the South China Sea, and we can see that the Deep-State they're still pushing buttons.
Point 2: Trump & Putin, they're going to be meeting at the G20 Summit later this week. And, they're not going to be talking about Russian meddling, they're not going to be talking about Russian hacking. They're going to be talking about anything they want. There's no specific agenda.
Now, what could be happening is that they don't want to tell the corporate media what the agenda is, because then, they are going to go crazy over it. They probably already have an agenda set. They'll probably be talking about Syria, things that are going to happen around the world & they'll coordinating to, basically, end all of this.
Now, this seems ridiculous on the surface, but what you see happening now - out in the Middle East, especially with Qatar (& will get into that in a momemt)... especially with what's happening in Syria (get to that in a moment, too)... and, what's happening in the rest of the world, we can see that things are absolutely changing right now.
Point 3: Now Germany is warning that this G20 meeting - they're very worried about cyber attacks. And they will have their cyber experts standing by to respond to any attack that occurs. They also have 20,000 police with dogs, horses & helicopters. They are going to be deployed outside the G20 meeting in Hamburg to protect the area.
Now, we know 'they' want to interrupt this meeting. They really don't want Putin & Trump to get together in person. And they'll probably do whatever they possibly can to interrupt this. We'll have to watch & see how this turns out. But we can see right now that Trump & Putin - they had been talking with each other. And I think they're working with each other on Syria right now. I think they're working in other areas to calm the situation down everywhere.
Point 4: Now with Qatar, the deadline came up on Sunday at midnight. Now, that time is past. Now, Saudi Arabia said, "Listen, we'll give you an extra 48 hours with your answers."
Trump was out there & he is saying that the situation needs to be calmed down. But, he also reiterated the importance of stopping terrorist financing, and discrediting extremist ideology. The president also underscored that unity in the region is critical to accomplishing the Saudi Arabia Summit's goal of defeating terrorism & promoting regional stability.
The big picture is that they are calling out where the terrorism is coming from - this Middle Eastern, the gulf nations. Of course, they're pointing the fingers to Qatar. And I believe within Qatar, this is where the Deep-State camps are. This is where alot of the training was held. Yes, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan - they all contributed to this - they gave alot of money, they supplied alot of the equipment... But the actual Deep-State camps, perhaps lie within Qatar. I don't think its against the government itself. I think this is a message: "Listen, get out of this country, or else." That is the warning, there.
Now, the Qatari Foreign Minister has arrived in Kuwait to respond to the demands of Saudi Arabia. And Qatar has called the conditions impossible. And, 'urged' for their revision. And we'll have to see what they come up with.
Points 5 (Iraq & Syria): And now, what is happening in Iraq?
Well, according to the Iraqi generals, the Islamic State is pretty much obliterated in Iraq.
In Syria, we have the Islamic State - al Qaeda, al Sham & the rest - they are losing ground like crazy. So, the support of terrorism righ now, really makes no sense for gulf nations. And, as everything completely fall apart, they don't want to be left standing there going... "Okay, we were the ones who created all of this."
So, what they're trying to do is basically mop-up this situation. And, we can see w/ this mop-up operation going on right now, a Syrian legislator came out and said, "Listen, the United States is helping the Islamic State to escape Raqqa. We've seen U.S. planes coming in. They're transferring the Islamic State terrorists from the Raqqa province to some place else." And, we can see just with this, they've done this before - where they've moved the Islamic State around. It looks like they're removing the Islamic State. Because they realize at this point they are beaten. And they can't let them be captured. They can't allow the records to be out there... So, what they do is have this gigantic mop-up operation.
The walls are closing in on the Deep-State. And time is ticking down, here. I mean, look at this out in Syria... For the first time ever, Syria has introduced a bank note with Assad's picture on it - the 2000 Syrian lire - this went into circulation on Sunday. This is the first time Assad's face has been featured on country's currency since he came into power 17 years ago. Who was on there before? It was his father. But, this tells you that things are rapidly changing.
https://dianadarke.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/assad-on-bank-note.jpg
Point 6: Now, the U.S. is setting up a new military base for the Free Syrian Army in the Northeastern part of Syria, saying that this is where they'll equip these fighters, this is where they will house these fighters. And I don't think it's going to last too long. Because, we can see that Russia / Syria, they are sweeping through Syria - they are heading into the East / the Northeastern part of Syria, and it doesn't matter how many bases the Deep-State sets up, I don't think this is going to last much longer.
Because what we're seeing right now is Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, he's told the U.N. Secretary General that the 'fate of the Syrian leader, Bashar al Assad, now lies in the hands of Russia.'
Tillerson: Russia Should Decide Assad's Fate (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-03/tillerson-russia-should-decide-assads-fate)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user5/imageroot/gettyimages-667736382.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-03/tillerson-russia-should-decide-assads-fate)
Rex Tillerson told the U.N. Secretary General Antonio Guterres during a private State Department meeting last week that the fate of Syrian leader Bashar Al-Assad now lies in the hands of Russia, according to Foreign Policy.
Jul 3, 2017 11:55 AM
Now, Trump Administration's #1 mission is removing the paid mercenary army. And, we can see that what they're saying is Assad is going to have a government in Syria. And, we're getting rid of the terrorist groups, at the same time. We're making things right. And this is the mission.
It looks like Trump knows who is controlling the terrorist groups at this point. It looks like Putin & Trump, they've already had the discussion. And we can see that out in Iraq, out in Syria, and eventually out in Afghanistan, the Deep-State's paid mercenary armies - they are just going to disappear.
They're going to be transported some place else or destroyed. But they're not giving up just yet. The Syrian rebels they have come out & accused the Syrian Army of using chemical weapons - Chlorine gas. Why in the world would Assad do this right now? Why would he even use Chlorine gas? He has the rebels, he has the Islamic State, he has al Qaeda, al Nusra, they're on the run. There is no reason to use Chlorine gas to make people cough. It makes no sense. And we can see at this point, they are just using whatever they possibly can... to convince everyone that he's using chemical weapons. And Iran's Defense Minister saying, "Yeah, this is all propaganda." Assad is not using chemical weapons, Russia is not using chemical weapons. This is just fake, phony & false.
Seymour Hersh came out with this article (http://www.alternet.org/world/trumps-missile-attack-syria-justified-fabricated-intelligence)... there was an MIT professor, Theodore Postol, that looked at the entire situation - it is completely fake. And this announcement that Trump made... that Syrian government was going to use chemical weapons - that was a message to Puting to let him know that the Deep-State was planning something else.
Now, alot of people think that this was another false-flag that was being set up. Well, you don't announce false-flags. That's not how they work. Secondly, alot of people think that Seymour Hersh came out with his article - and this was a distraction.
The corporate media (MSM) was never going to publish this article. Yes, it might have been on the alternative media, and it was on the alternative media, it was all over the place & everyone mentioned it. But the corporate media they would have never admitted to the article that Seymour Hersh wrote, they would have never said, "Yes, the chemical attacks didn't happened." Think about how they've lied over time.
When you have a lie, you need a lie to sit on top of that lie. You can't turn around and tell the truth.
More in this X22 Report...
Cidersomerset
4th July 2017, 06:10
Good post and article Turiya most of this is talked about on the WW111 thread,
its getting past the corporate mainstream media, Russia gate is collapsing
and the chemical false flag attacks are being questioned . Trumps bombing
of the Syrian air base was a knee jerk reaction and got his neo -con/dem
critics off his back for a while. It depends if Trump is playing the Deep State ?
or is being played by them ? Or just making it up as he is going along. He has
placed a lot confidence in ' his generals' as he put it and the G 20 meeting will
be interesting.
With the likes of Steve Bannon, Roger Stone , Alex jones and others he is
fully aware of the alternate media and has been by passing the corporate
media from the get go , hence his on going fued/spats with them on twitter
and elsewhere. This is a fluid situation and impossible to predict as the
' corporate Deep state empire and its allies will strike back'.
You can go in many different directions with this that will take you to
secret societies , possible ET connection and the secret space programme.
this is when you go down the rabbit hole and find out virtually everything
is connected at the top of the pyramid as per Leonardo De Vinci and
my avatar...LOL
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Empire News.....
By senile Waters and company......invoke the 25th amen'...
Democrats want commission to deem if Trump is fit to serve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy2zurLsfVA
Published on 3 Jul 2017
Over 20 liberal lawmakers back plan to create oversight commission in bid to
impeach president; Dr. Marc Siegel and Gregg Jarrett give their take on 'Hannity'
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Rachel 'Mad_ow' will not let it go ....( obsessive behaviour syndrome ) anyone ?
The Donald Trump Russia Political Crisis: A Timeline In Breaking News | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUVpPvlWxMQ
Published on 3 Jul 2017
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Harvard study bolsters Trump's CNN complaints
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOy-tkmiB14
Published on 3 Jul 2017
93 percent of network's coverage was negative; Gina Loudon and Dinesh D'Souza react on 'Hannity'
turiya
4th July 2017, 13:15
Now, Gaia, you ask about Saudi Arabia arms deal...
Saudis, Taiwan, Qatar and more! Lockheed and Raytheon must love President Trump. All these billion dollar weapon deals, what could possibly go wrong? Does anyone think that these countries are just going to stock pile these weapons for a rainy day?
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/...eal-for-taiwan (http://www.defensenews.com/articles/us-clears-massive-arms-deal-for-taiwan)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN18832N (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-saudi-idUSKBN18832N)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7790956.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-qatar-weapons-deal-12-billion-day-accuse-terrorism-saudi-arabiaqatar-signs-loa-for-the-a7790956.html)In the Defense One May 22, 2017 article, you can see that this deal was set up by the Obama Administration. Trump has used this. He has used this as cover for what he is actually implementing. He's used this so-called agreement and using it for running a cover. Reminder: Trump is dealing with the Deep-State. In order to keep these people guessing, he has to be a bit deceptive.
And unfortunately, in dealing with these dark forces, 'we the people' are also left out of the loop. We can't trust what the MSM Deep-State propaganda machine is telling us. So we are left, more or less, to figure things out for ourselves... finding other sources than the corporate media, getting better at reading between the lines... doing more research, in order to get a better idea of what is really going on behind the scenes.
Side Note: The 2017 Bilderberg Meeting took place from 1 - 4 June in Chantilly VA, USA.
See what this article says...
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There’s Less than Meets the Eye
in Trump’s Saudi Arms Deal (http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2017/05/theres-less-meets-eye-trumps-saudi-arms-deal/138055/)
May 22, 2017
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It takes a lot of existing offers and future promises to add up to $110 billion.
Donald J. Trump may be unpredictable, but there is one common theme that runs throughout his presidency: a penchant for exaggerating his achievements. From his insistence (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-pressured-park-service-to-back-up-his-claims-about-inauguration-crowd/2017/01/26/12a38cb8-e3fc-11e6-ba11-63c4b4fb5a63_story.html?utm_term=.a31d23657456) that the crowd at his inauguration numbered over one million people to his claim (https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/853604334944354305) to have rebuilt the military before his first budget was even announced, the president is perfectly comfortable claiming credit for things that have not, in fact, occurred.
So it may be with the new arms deal with Saudi Arabia, pegged by the Trump administration as worth up to $110 billion (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/us-saudi-arabia-reach-tentative-pacts-potentially-worth-110-billion/2017/05/20/2a919826-3d91-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.b716a04ee1da). Many of the items mentioned as part of the package had already been offered to Riyadh during the Obama administration, including a Patriot missile defense system (http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/kingdom-saudi-arabia-ksa-patriot-advanced-capability-3-pac-3-missiles-and-support), Multi-mission Surface Combatants (http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/kingdom-saudi-arabia-multi-mission-surface-combatant-mmsc-ships), attack (http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/saudi-arabia-ah-64d-apache-uh-60m-blackhawk-ah-6i-light-attack-and-md-530f-light) and transport helicopters (http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/kingdom-saudi-arabia-ch-47f-chinook-cargo-helicopters), and artillery systems (http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/kingdom-saudi-arabia-howitzers-radars-ammunition-and-related-support). The value of these offers runs into the tens of billions of dollars.
One item in the Trump package that is clearly new is the offer of a Lockheed Martin Theater High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) anti-missile system, a deal that could run into the billions depending on how many missiles are included and what kind of support systems are involved. But that leaves the administration a far distance from its $110 billion in claimed sales.
The State Department fact sheet on the deal (https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2017/05/270999.htm) listed weapons and gear that might be offered to Saudi Arabia, from aircraft to armored vehicles to border defense systems. No such deals have been formally announced to Congress as yet. And they will purportedly be rolled out over a decade — beyond the four years of Trump’s first term, or even a second one.
So what we have is a deal that is mostly a mix of offers already made and promises yet to be kept. And when and if some of the new offers are formally notified to Congress – a process that will at least reveal what systems are to be provided at what cost – there is no guarantee that they will produce signed contracts and actual deliveries of weaponry.
For example, during the Obama years, Congress was formally notified of offers of weapons, training, and military support services to Saudi Arabia worth $115 billion (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-security-idUSKCN11D2JQ). So far only about half of those offers have resulted in formal agreements, and less than $20 billion in goods and services have actually been delivered. And deliveries of major systems can take years. For example, an offer of F-15 combat aircraft to the Saudi Air Force that was announced to Congress in October 2010 didn’t result in the first planes being delivered until December 2016.
More at the Source (http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2017/05/theres-less-meets-eye-trumps-saudi-arms-deal/138055/)
thunder24
4th July 2017, 14:04
Does anyone think that these countries are just going to stock pile these weapons for a rainy day?
Yes, I do. It is all about corporations making money. Look at the cold war. We made enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world a 1000 times over. They never used them, but they made a lot of money making them.
Its been presented to me that these 'nukes' and weapons of such power's ultimate purpose is not killing humans but something else...
Honesty
4th July 2017, 15:18
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The Second World War allowed the United States to break down its enemies, Germany and Japan, but just as much to dominate their allies. None of the imperialist powers can today break its alliance and its relations with the United States, whatever its motives for doing so. The United States, when they took over the inheritance, and then the former colonial powers, when forced to do so, extended their domination over the oppressed peoples in a more subtle way, granting, if not to the revolted peoples, Privileged classes, a flag, a hymn, a place at the UN, but repressing with as much, if not often more ferocity, any threat against the world imperialist order. An armed, violent peace. It is in fact a permanent war against the peoples to make them accept the exploitation, the inequality, the dictatorship.
Let us never forget that if countries spend billions in arms it is not to showcase, but let us remember who pays on the ground! Seventy-two years of imperialist peace, 21 million dead. The United States is shooting itself in the foot.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-economic-motive-for-americas-current-wars/5597226
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