Vatican gay orgy broken up by police

[Justplain]

Looks like the Vatican's real stripes show through again:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3953226/vatican-police-broke-up-gay-orgy-in-leading-cardinals-apartment-owned-by-the-churchs-sexual-abuse-taskforce/

THE Vatican police reportedly broke up a gay orgy in an apartment belonging to the department charged with tackling sexual abuse within the church.

The occupant of the flat – in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith – is said to be a secretary of Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio – a key adviser to the Pope.

The cardinal is reported to have recommended his aide at one stage for promotion to the rank of bishop.

However, those career plans are likely to be disrupted by news of the orgy and by a period spent recovering from a drug overdose in a Rome hospital and another in an Italian monastery.

The shocking allegations – in Il Fatto Quotidiano – come just a week after Australian Cardinal George Pell was charged with a string of historic sexual offences in his homeland piling pressure on the Pope.

He was appointed to clean up the Holy See’s finances as the Pope moves to make a number of reforms that have angered conservatives.

The Pope’s reluctance to help in the case of terminally ill Charlie Gard has also angered conservatives, despite his expression of hope that Charlie’s parents can “accompany and treat their child until the end”.

[section9]

This seems a convenient story to break out just at this time, in light of Joseph P. Farrell's recent story about the Cardinal Pell affair masking an attempted Rothschild/BIS takeover of the Vatican Bank.

[Bill Ryan]

Interesting... it's not just in the UK 'Sun' (which is quite a cheap and sensational 'tabloid'), but in many other newspapers worldwide.

They all cite this source, a report in the Italian paper Il Fatto Quotidiano:


http://ilfattoquotidiano.it/2017/06/28/vaticano-fermato-un-monsignore-festini-gay-e-droga-nel-palazzo-del-santuffizio/3691426

Maybe someone who knows Italian can look at the paper's website (ttp://ilfattoquotidiano.it), and see how reliable it appears to be.

[AutumnW]

What offences? Partying with young gay guys? As long as minors aren't being abused, it sounds like a good time is being had by all. Probably the worst offences within the Catholic Church were the result of sexual repression and arrested sexual development, manifesting as creepy creepy pedo behaviour.

I say...let them play.

[Flash]

What I caught in my broken (in fact very bad) italian, is that it was a gay party with drugs within the former Vatican Palace Saint Office, where Rhatzinger had his office for years in the past. The actual Pope is furious it seems. The arrest was made by the Vatican gendarmerie, I am very surprised it got out.

What I also understood is that peace will be back in the palace (some must have complaint quite heavily, my opinion) and the Monsignor (Cardinal) for which the partier was working was supposed to name him Bishop and now he has lost that opportunity, since it seems he did not see what his employee was doing, despite often working late with him....

I think they went too far and a few got enough and decided to kill the potential political nomination.

Google translation is quite good - for once:


A drug-based gay celebration. It is what the men of the Vatican Gendarmerie have discovered in a blitz in an apartment in the former Palazzo dell'Offizio. Precisely where for a quarter of a century the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger has served as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith before being elected Pope. The tenant of the apartment, according to what they say in the Vatican, is a Monsignor who carries out the duties of secretary of an important cardinal at the head of a dicastery of the Roman Curia. The man, immediately stopped by the Gendarmerie, was first hospitalized for a short time in the Roman Pio XI clinic to detoxify the drugs, and is currently in spiritual retreat in a convent in Italy.

.......Just as he had aroused several moods that the presbytery in question had a luxurious car with the plaque of the Holy See. This is also a privilege reserved for high prelates. Evidently, as has emerged from some reconstructions made in the Vatican, it was precisely this vehicle that allowed its owner to carry the drug without ever being stopped by the Italian police.



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Interesting... it's not just in the UK 'Sun' (which is quite a cheap and sensational 'tabloid'), but in many other newspapers worldwide.

They all cite this source, a report in the Italian paper Il Fatto Quotidiano:


http://ilfattoquotidiano.it/2017/06/28/vaticano-fermato-un-monsignore-festini-gay-e-droga-nel-palazzo-del-santuffizio/3691426

Maybe someone who knows Italian can look at the paper's website (ttp://ilfattoquotidiano.it), and see how reliable it appears to be.

[syrwong]

Are these events leading to the fullfillment of the third prophecy of Fatima? (I think it is apostasy or/and WW3)

[Chuck]

This seems a convenient story to break out just at this time, in light of Joseph P. Farrell's recent story about the Cardinal Pell affair masking an attempted Rothschild/BIS takeover of the Vatican Bank.


I haven't read or heard of Farrell's comments yet but many conflicts within the Vatican are being aired out at the moment. I do not know if Cardinal Pell is guilty of sexual abuse (maybe not). He is however likely targeted by powerful entrenched neocons within the Vatican as a retaliation of Pell's "draining the swamp"... uncovering many hundreds of millions of dollars unaccounted for on the books. There have been "bureaucrats" in charge of financing for centuries. He (Pell) is turning a public light on them.

This episode with Cardinal Francesco sounds like the dirty play is being ratcheted up. Stay tuned for more hell's fury from the Vatican.

[Spiral]

This could actually be a positive thing believe or not.

The end of the "gay mafia" in the Vatican would be a very good thing, & this could be the start of that !

[Baby Steps]

The Church of Rome is losing credibility fast.

I remember a wee anecdote- a British/Irish lady who attends Catholic Church here in the UK committed a terrible sin, for which she was permanently denied access to communion. She went & got married in Hawaii without telling the Padre.

Her Irish friends told her that if this had happened in Ireland, the Church would not bat an eye-lid. They would just be pitifully grateful for her continuing attendance at Church at all!

Attendance is dropping (https://www.irishcentral.com/news/numbers-in-irelands-catholic-church-continue-to-drop-stigma-attached-to-attending-mass-200315991-237575781) as the revelations continue..

[ramus]

AutumnW

Default Re: Vatican gay orgy broken up by police

What offences? Partying with young gay guys? As long as minors aren't being abused, it sounds like a good time is being had by all. Probably the worst offences within the Catholic Church were the result of sexual repression and arrested sexual development, manifesting as creepy creepy pedo behaviour.

I say...let them play.
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I HOPE YOUR KIDDING OR DRINKING ... THE POOR SUPPRESSED PRIEST ... REPRESENTATIVES OF GOD .. JUST HAVING A GAY ORGY ...NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

[AutumnW]

Ramus, I am not particularly orgy bent myself, but think this is a healthy development. As Spiral says, anything that reduces the hold of the Gay mafia, strengthened by layers of mutual blackmail, including gay partying--is a positive development.

Priests are usually gay men and their gayness should be acknowledged. The extremes of their behavior is likely a result of the same kind of rebellion teens go through when their basic natures and desire for independence are stifled by their parents. (not saying that parental control is necessarily negative)

Oh, and yes, sometimes I drink--for clarity!:bearhug:

[Justplain]

Despite the idea that these guys should be allowed to party, to overthrow their 'repression', I think we should clarify a number of glaring contradictions to publicly held Catholic beliefs in this incident:

1) Catholics believe in monogamous sexual relationships between two MARRIED, in love, heterosexual partners. A gay orgy is driven by lust, not love. A gay orgy is not amongst consenting, married couples. A gay orgy is not heterosexual.

2) Look at the context of this incident: gay orgy in an apartment belonging to the department charged with tackling sexual abuse within the church. This incident took place in an apartment assigned to a department in the church to eliminate sexual abuse. What kind of message does this send that the investigators for sexual abuse conduct un-catholic gay orgies?

3). The presence of drugs, another un-Catholic activity, and criminal in most jurisdictions, has to raise serious questions as to the characters of these participants, particularly from a Catholic viewpoint.

I know the roman church is very insular, but this event, and its publicity, make this a perfect time for them to clean up this nonsense. It doesnt matter if the public release of this info is for ulterior motives, this info should be used to further bring to light corruption and unethical practices in this church, imho.

[norman]

I don't see any other comments on this so I'll mention it myself.

The report says it was the Vatican Police that nabbed them.

Doesn't that strike you as being the most interesting thing about this story ?

[Spiral]

Just a general point about chastity / celibacy, yes it's something that some people can't do, but it's hardly impossible as some would make out, nor is it a guarantee of the manifestation of perversions.


Ramus, I am not particularly orgy bent myself, but think this is a healthy development. As Spiral says, anything that reduces the hold of the Gay mafia, strengthened by layers of mutual blackmail, including gay partying--is a positive development.

Priests are usually gay men and their gayness should be acknowledged. The extremes of their behavior is likely a result of the same kind of rebellion teens go through when their basic natures and desire for independence are stifled by their parents. (not saying that parental control is necessarily negative)

Oh, and yes, sometimes I drink--for clarity!:bearhug:

I don't think they are usually gay, or even end up gay (as in prisoners who go "gay for the stay"), I've never met a gay priest (out of the 20-30 I've met over the years ), I've met a few who clearly joined up because they found sexuality difficult though.




I don't see any other comments on this so I'll mention it myself.

The report says it was the Vatican Police that nabbed them.

Doesn't that strike you as being the most interesting thing about this story ?


It has to be the Vatican Police, it's a City State, and yes it means big things are happening under the surface, maybe the long awaited clear up is going to start !

[AutumnW]

Spiral, Where I come from, gay priests are (or were) the norm.

Do I think repression alone causes pedophilia? No, but I know that sexual immaturity is part of the profile of pedophiles and that can be enhanced by a repressive atmosphere.

So the Catholic Church may not cause it, but the atmosphere that allowed them access to children in an atmosphere where so many had so much to hide, would attract them. A more relaxed general atmosphere about normal gay and straight sex would rob them of cover.

[Cidersomerset]

Infowars Forced Gay Vatican Orgy Into The Mainstream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTAh7t3b2P4

Published on 6 Jul 2017
On Monday, Leo Zagami joined Infowars live to provide intelligence straight from
Italy on the gay, cocaine-fueled orgy at the Vatican, and now the MSM has been
forced to cover the story as well.

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Full interview from a couple days ago....

Vatican Insider Leo Zagami: Police Interrupted Gay Orgy In Vatican, Prominent
Cardinal Was Arrested

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2017
Pope Francis: The Last Pope
Published on 4 Jul ?: Money, Masons and Occultism in the Decline of the
Catholic Church http://amzn.to/2tH3pdv

[Cardillac]

I just think this was the tip of the iceberg; just go to the Vatican City and see how many statues/paintings there are of naked men/boys!!!-

Larry

[Cidersomerset]

I just think this was the tip of the iceberg; just go to the Vatican City

As you know Larry,David and others have been exposing this
for decades and this went over Bill Mahers head as he tries to
ridicule him and is how the elites have gotten away with this
by owning the media and not doing any serious research in
this subject.

David Icke with Bill Maher in the Vatican Rome ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHBDPfFh2qs

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David Icke in Rome - the London-Rome Beltane Ritual 2011 (Full Film)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15sHCjO5lSw

A 90-minute documentary shot in Rome by Neil Hague and produced by Jay4louise.
David highlights the importance of Rome and London to the global conspiracy and
their Satanic ritual connection when he visited Rome on the recent Beltane weekend
in which the Royal Wedding in London on April 29th was followed two days later by a
major ritual in St Peter's Square related to Pope John Paul II on the key Beltane date
of May 1st.
A coincidence? Not a chance.
http://www.davidicke.com/

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A couple of tabloids have picked it up ....

MAIL ON LINE....

Vatican police 'break up drug-fuelled gay orgy at home of secretary of one of Pope
Francis's key advisers'
Raid at flat belonging to the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
Occupant of flat was allegedly secretary to Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio
Coccopalmerio heads Pontifical Council for Legislative texts and is a key adviser to
the Pope

By Julian Robinson for MailOnline

Published: 10:38, 5 July 2017 | Updated: 23:36, 5 July 2017


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4667098/Vatican-police-break-gay-orgy-apartment.html#ixzz4m5VLcnyU
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

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The Australian....

Read more....
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-times/police-raid-gay-orgy-at-cardinals-vatican-apartment/news-story/54f2b2825bf1f12b523b246b23bed5e4

[Omni]

Being anti-Vatican myself, I can't help but like the exposure of this story...

[happyuk]

What offences? Partying with young gay guys? As long as minors aren't being abused, it sounds like a good time is being had by all. Probably the worst offences within the Catholic Church were the result of sexual repression and arrested sexual development, manifesting as creepy creepy pedo behaviour.

I say...let them play.

Let them play but close down the hypocrisy also.

[Chuck]

I don't see any other comments on this so I'll mention it myself.

The report says it was the Vatican Police that nabbed them.

Doesn't that strike you as being the most interesting thing about this story ?

Exactly norman.

I think that when an exclusive, dominating, all powerful, private club (i.e. Catholic Church) begins to show their internal conflicts publicly, it's OVER (for them).
It's just a matter of time till it all unravels... blackmailing, finger pointing, blaming, retaliations, etc etc. Either the head of the beast is no longer, to keep all this in check or the various factions have lost any respect/fear.

The sad part is that there are millions of good folk whose faith and belief systems (in the Church) are about to be turned upside down. Many will say that this is a good thing... dunno... perhaps. The dark night of the soul is never pretty.

[Spiral]

What offences? Partying with young gay guys? As long as minors aren't being abused, it sounds like a good time is being had by all. Probably the worst offences within the Catholic Church were the result of sexual repression and arrested sexual development, manifesting as creepy creepy pedo behaviour.

I say...let them play.

Let them play but close down the hypocrisy also.

????, It's not The church of satan, it's the Church of Christ !

Do you really think they are fit to hold Mass, oh wait, you aren't a Catholic & don't really have any idea what it's about at all do you ? This is a gross affront to millions, but heh, they are the only people on the planet you can take a swipe at & no one will complain eh ?

[Baby Steps]

I don't see any other comments on this so I'll mention it myself.

The report says it was the Vatican Police that nabbed them.

Doesn't that strike you as being the most interesting thing about this story ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf_Y4MbUCLY

[ramus]

Holy s..t how can one read the story and think that priest in a drug fueled orgy is a step in the right direction, except for the dis closer of the corruptness of the church. Let the boys play .. Another political correct statement. What cool-aid have you been drinking ... I guess the next statement is, it's all good .... This is a church not a brothel . Want to be gay ,do drugs, and have orgies, get out of the church, it's gods house. I'm astounded at the pervasiveness that this corruption as created. It's not a frat house,it's the house of god, nobody made them become a priest, they chose to . It's like a veterinarian have sex with his patience ,let the boys play ... Holy sh.t .... How far we haven't come. Everything is ok. Don't want to hurt someones feelings. There is no right or wrong.

WAKE UP, YOUR CONDONING CORRUPTION IN A INSTITUTION THAT IS SUPPOSE TO BE SETTING THE BENCH MARK.

[ramus]

Re: Vatican gay orgy broken up by police

Interesting... it's not just in the UK 'Sun' (which is quite a cheap and sensational 'tabloid'), but in many other newspapers worldwide.

They all cite this source, a report in the Italian paper Il Fatto Quotidiano:

http://ilfattoquotidiano.it/2017/06/...ffizio/3691426

Maybe someone who knows Italian can look at the paper's website, and see how reliable it appears to be.
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Vatican, stopped a monsignor: gay celebrities and drugs at the Palazzo dell'ex
Sant'Uffizio

The secretary of an important Cardinal caught in flagrant by the Holy See's

Gendarmerie and dispatched to detoxify himself in the utmost reserger. The

luxurious car with a plate of Oltretevere would protect him from the Italian

police checks. The religious was preaching to become a bishop, but the

appointment was stopped. Pope Francis furious A drug-based gay celebration. It

is what the men of the Vatican Gendarmerie have discovered in a blitz in an

apartment in the former Palazzo dell'Offizio. Precisely where for a quarter of a

century the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger has served as Prefect of the

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith before being elected Pope. The tenant

of the apartment, according to what they say in the Vatican, is a Monsignor who

carries out the duties of secretary of an important cardinal at the head of a

dicastery of the Roman Curia. The man, immediately stopped by the Gendarmerie,

was first hospitalized for a short time in the Roman Pio XI clinic to detoxify

the drugs, and is currently in spiritual retreat in a convent in Italy.In the

Vatican, mouths sewn or almost on the delicate operation carried out by men

commanded by Domenico Giani. Someone lets themselves run away to complain

repeatedly for a steady way out of the entrance door in the evening, of people

who were usual frequent monsignor stopers. Within the sacred palaces they

explain that the apartment where the red light-bulbous feasts were consumed

should not be assigned to the secretary of a chief of staff. In fact, this is a

home reserved for superiors: prefects, presidents, or secretaries of the Roman

Curia, and not just monsignors. Just as he had aroused several moods that the

presbytery in question had a luxurious car with the plaque of the Holy See. This

is also a privilege reserved for high prelates. Evidently, as has emerged from

some reconstructions made in the Vatican, it was precisely this vehicle that

allowed its owner to carry the drug without ever being stopped by the Italian

police.A Pope tells us to say little angry when, after the blow came and the

operation of the Gendarmerie had been decided, he knew that the Monsignor had

been caught in the matter. The condominiums of the former Palazzo dell'Offizio

are embarrassed, but also the reassurance that, at least for the moment, will

come back to reign a bit of tranquility in the building. Its main entrance, in

fact, gives it directly to the square of the Holy Office which is already

Italian territory and is out of control of the Swiss Guards and the Gendarmerie.

Anyone, day and night, can freely enter the Vatican from this access without

being subject to any control and without obviously being filed. A perfect

location to enjoy the privileges of extraterritoriality without having to

undergo neither the checks of the Italian State nor those of the Vatican

City.Resolved, to use the euphemism of the Monsignor's vicissitudes, remains to

clarify the position of the cardinal whom he was secretary. "Could you ever have

noticed anything? Yet they said they worked together late, "a high prelate still

leaves. It is rumored that, in view of the age of the cardinal who has largely

exceeded 75 years, or the canonical age of the resignation, Francesco has

decided to accelerate retirement also due to the recent events. "He had proposed

his secretary to the bishopric. Fortune that they have not appointed him bishop.

Now what would happen? "Is the consideration of a friar shared by other

confreres. But someone stopped this appointment before it was too late.

[ramus]

http://ejc.net/magazine/article/seven-reasons-the-italian-newspaper-il-fatto-quotidiano-has-been-succes#.WV-tYoqQxE4

THE NEWSPAPER THE VATICAN STORY CAME FROM .

Seven reasons Il Fatto Quotidiano has been successful

The fierce Italian daily takes no public money, few ads

Four years ago in September, Italian readers found a new newspaper at their local kiosks. Its name: Il Fatto Quotidiano - The Daily Fact. Its the success was immediate and not so unexpected. After just seven months in May 2010 there were 45,000 subscribers by post; the sales in the kiosks counted for 65,000 more copies. Today Il Fatto Quotidiano is distributed in 25,000 of the 38,000 kiosks present in Italy. After just a few months since its foundation the number of daily printed copies was around 150,000. Furthermore, there are almost 10,000 online subscribers who download the daily PDF dedition. Why such a great success in such a short period of time?
Small editorial team and excellent quality

New newspapers in Italy typically start with a large number of employees. Revenues usually come from four sources: subscribers, kiosk sales, advertising and public money. But the entire organization of Il Fatto Quotidiano is comprised of fewer than two dozen people. It’s a tiny editorial team compared to other Italian and European newspapers.

The editorial staff consists of some of the best Italian investigative journalists: Marco Travaglio, Peter Gomez, Marco Lillo and Antonio Padellaro, the executive editor of the paper. At the beginning of 2009 the social capital of Il Fatto Quotidiano started with 600,000 euro, some of it put up by the journalists and some from the publishing house, Chiare Lettere. No major industrial group has invested in this newspaper. Furthermore, Il Fatto Quatidiano decided not to receive any public funds, unlike all other major Italian newspapers.
The Italian Constitution is its only source of inspiration

Il Fatto Quotidiano serves a growing niche of readers and in so doing has attracted a dedicated readership. It makes all possible efforts to provide information free of prejudices and political influences. The decision of Antonio Padellaro, the executive editor of this newspaper, to be inspired just by the Italian constitution has been perceived by the audience as a totally new element in the media landscape. In Rome, this EJC correspondent asked Mr. Padellaro about the independence of his newspaper:


“We do not have owners. Well, the newspaper is owned by its journalists. This fact gives to us a substantial independence. The journalists of Il Fatto Quotidiano are the shareholders and we guarantee with their professionalism the freedom of the newspaper. We are not an ideological newspaper. We made an agreement with our readership. We produce a newspaper that has of course its limits but it is genuine. We will respect this quality because it has been rewarded by the readers.”

Mr. Padellaro continued: “Our independence let us gain in Italy a role of real opposition. Not a preconceived or political opposition but a vision that is against the dominant vision in the media. Our editorial line is based on the Italian Constitution. It may seem rhetoric […] but we put on the suit about the freedom of the press that is made by the article 21 of the Italian Constitution”.

As a refresher, Article 21 states that “All persons have the right to express freely their ideas by word, in writing and by all other means of communication. The press may not be subjected to authorisation or censorship.”


Advertisers have no influence on the editorial line. No public fund is received.

Pressures on Italian journalists to please the political class in general have increased in recent years, making for poor service to the public in terms of information of the relevant facts about the Italian political life. Further, newspapers can be influenced by advertisers: by car manufacturers, banks or telecommunication companies. Their influence is typically visible in a lack of investigation on the behavior of these companies and a weak role of a newspaper as a watchdog.

Il Fatto Quotidiano has less dependence on advertisers as compared to, say, Il Corriere della Sera and La Repubblica or La Stampa, the three major Italian newspapers. In each of these titles, advertising occupies around 40 percent of the pages. Il Fatto Quotidiano gives 10 percent of its space to advertising. So how can Il Fatto Quotidiano be profitable?

“Let put it frankly: we accept advertising by major industrial groups but our editorial line does not depend on it. If we have the advertising, good, otherwise we move on in any case. We started with a small editorial team and our economic independence is possible thanks to our readers, the sales in the kiosks and the subscribers for the paper and on line edition,” said the vice executive editor, Marco Travaglio during a conference at Università Bocconi in Milan in 2010.
Watch-dog attitude

An investigative approach is prominent in the editorial line of Il Fatto Quotidiano. The staff regularly produces journalism based on common sense, smart questions and a watch-dog attitude toward the behavior of politicians and corporations. There is a sense of the right to report, critique and reply. The paper tries to serve as a watchdog in the interest of the readers, taking not just a scandalistic approach but an attempt to protect of the dignity of the citizenship against the abuses of any kind of power and misuse of public funds. The newspaper is written for the readers, which is not an obvious quality. No kind of reverence is extended to the political class.
The online demand for objective information

Marco Travaglio has a video section called “Passaparola” (Word of Mouth) on Beppe Grillo’s blog www.beppegrillo.it which has 175,000 unique daily users. Grillo, the comedian who founded Il Movimento 5 Stelle (The Five Stars Movement), runs one of the most visited news websites in Italy. Travaglio noticed the demand for Italian-language information free from the influence of the country’s political parties. There is interest in news stories based on facts and not on the desire of applauding the political class. Giving visibility to facts often buried on back pages provoked more than 500,000 contacts to many videos of Marco Travaglio. He summarized the processes of Mr. Berlusconi and talked about other current scandals that were missing on the major national media. Il Fatto Quotidiano has its own website with an average of 700,000 unique users each day, or 9 million UUPM (unique users per month – source: Nielsen Sitecensus).
An alternative to television and other newspapers

Only Il Fatto Quotidiano, Libero and Il Giornale open with a front page whose content diverges from that of other national newspapers. Il Fatto Quotidiano is a case study especially peculiar to contemporary Italy. The key element of success has been not to repeat the rundown of last night’s television news when so many dailies do so. Il Fatto Quotidiano rather uses its front to present news not covered on TV in a different order of priority and with more depth.
Filling a void in the Italian media landscape

The state of the press in Italy is not brilliant: journalists in general are under the influence of advertisers and of the owners of the newspapers, most of which are not disinterested publishers. They are usually investors with interests in many other fields. A majority of the media prefer not to put under scrutiny topics that may concern their ownership. When the owner is a major political leader, then the priority of the news is obviously biased and the quality of journalism is compromised on a vast scale, even though the freedom of the Italian press is guaranteed by law.

Il Fatto Quotidiano was founded during a moment of Italian history in which its Parliament produced laws to protect the prime minister from its criminal proceedings and protected his economic interests. So it seems natural for a newspaper whose only source of inspiration is the democratic constitution to find an eager readership.

Today, after three years of its launch, Il Fatto Quotidiano has grown to include an economic section and a cultural insert called Saturno and the number of journalists has increased. In any case, after the initial boom the number of daily sold copies decreased from 75,000 in 2011 to reach the constant readership of 57,000 in 2013. The printed copies are stable at 110,000.

Let’s hope that this success will continue.

Tags: watchdog, sales, politics, newsstands, newspapers, kiosks, italy, italian, investigative, government,

[ramus]

ANOTHER ARTICLE FROM ...IL FATTO QUOTIDIANO ..WHICH MEANS : DAILY FACT : ..... ON THE ORGY AT THE VATICAN ...

Vatican, gay celebration with drugs for the secretary of Cardinal Coccopalmerio.New grain for Pope Francis
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> Salernitano, 50, Luigi Capozzi is second Secretary of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts. After the scandal that has been overwhelmed, he was first admitted to the Roman Pio XI clinic, then spent a retreat at a monastery and is currently at the Gemini Policlinico in Rome. Coccopalmerio aims to stay at least 80 years.There is no peace for Pope Francis. Filed, at least for the time being, pedophile scandals with the "freezing" of Cardinal George Pell as prefect of the secretary for the economy and dismissal of Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller from the leadership of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. On the desk of Bergoglio, however, remains to be resolved the case of the drug-based gay celebration held in the Vatican's residence by Monsignor Luigi Capozzi, secretary of Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio, president of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts.
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> When the Vatican Gendarmerie entered the house of Monsignor Capozzi, inside the Palazzo dell'ex Uffizi, he found a scandalous scenario that confirmed the voices and protests of the neighbors, almost all the cardinals, who lived in quell 'building. For a long time, it had been noted and reported an unusual way of going to people, in the evening, from the main entrance of the Palazzo dell'Offido which gives directly to Italian territory and in front of which there is no place Blockade of the Vatican Gendarmerie or of the Swiss Guards, as it happens in all the other entrances of the Leone City. Monsignor Capozzi, 50, was born in Salerno on July 23, 1967 and was ordained a priest in Amalfi on December 19, 1992. Incarined in the Diocese of Palestrina, in Lazio, he is second secretary of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts Where he held secretarial duties of Cardinal Coccopalmerio. On May 7, 2007, he was appointed Chaplain of His Holiness and this is his title of Monsignor. After the scandal that has been overwhelmed, he was first admitted to the Roman Pio XI clinic, then spent a retreat at a monastery and is currently at the Gemini Policlinico in Rome. Anonymous quotation with a social network is remarkable: "Life is too strange: it takes sadness to know what happiness, noise to appreciate silence and absence to assess presence."
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> On the story that Monsignor Capozzi overtook, who had also been proposed as a bishop, the Pope wants to be made clearer. Many in the Vatican now expect Francis to finally retire the direct superior of the prelate protagonist of the festive scandal, namely Cardinal Coccopalmerio. The cardinal has largely exceeded the age of 79, four more than the Canonian Age of Resignation, and just over a decade has led the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts. Native of San Giuliano Milanese, a commune of 38,000 inhabitants of the metropolitan city of Milan, the childhood of the future cardinal takes place in Sernio in Valtellina, the mother country of the teacher's mother where the family sparked during the Second World War. After graduating from high school in Busto Arsizio, in 1957, he entered the Ambrosian Archbishop's Seminary at Venegono Inferiore. On June 28, 1962, he was ordained priest in the Basilica of Sant'Ambrogio in Milan by then Cardinal Archbishop Giovanni Battista Montini, who the following year will be elected to the pontificate and will assume the name of Paul VI. The ecclesiastical career of Coccopalmerio proceeds quite well as well as his canonical law teaching that he sees it among the professors of the Gregorian Pontifical University. In 1985, then Cardinal Archbishop Carlo Maria Martini appointed him as general pro-vicar of the Ambrosian Archdiocese and in 1988 he was president of the Diocesan Commission for Ecumenism and Dialogue. It is Martini, in 1993, to consecrate him auxiliary bishop of Milan after the appointment of Saint John Paul II. In this role, Coccopalmerio is next to the biblical cardinals for almost a decade until the delivery of the card, in 2002, with the new archbishop of Milan, Cardinal Dionigi Tettamanzi. Coccopalmerio remains next to him for five years as auxiliary bishop until, in 2007, Benedict XVI nominates him as president of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts, thus succeeding Cardinal Julian Herranz Casado, who grew up with the founder of Opus Dei St. Josemaria Escrivá.
>
> In the Consistory of February 18, 2012, Coccopalmerio receives the red beret from the hands of Joseph Ratzinger and thus joins the Cardinal College. The Vatican tells of some moments of tension with the then German Pope's Secretary of State, Salesian Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone. As well as a certain reticence of Coccopalmerio leaving his post as head of the Roman Curia dicastery and retiring although he has largely exceeded the age of his resignation. Recently, in fact, the cardinal has printed a volume, edited by Libreria Editrice Vaticana, in which he explains the eighth chapter, the one containing the opening to the divorced divorced, the apostolic exhortation of Francesco, Amoris laetitia. Coccopalmerio is totally in favor of the Pope against the four cardinals, led by Raymond Leo Burke, who openly contest the Bergoglio document. An attempt, according to what they say in the sacred palaces, is to remain at least 80 years old, when, as the Canonian Code of Law provides, for the cardinals cease all duties in the Roman Curia along with the right to elect the Pope In conclave.

[AutumnW]

What offences? Partying with young gay guys? As long as minors aren't being abused, it sounds like a good time is being had by all. Probably the worst offences within the Catholic Church were the result of sexual repression and arrested sexual development, manifesting as creepy creepy pedo behaviour.

I say...let them play.

Let them play but close down the hypocrisy also.

????, It's not The church of satan, it's the Church of Christ !

Do you really think they are fit to hold Mass, oh wait, you aren't a Catholic & don't really have any idea what it's about at all do you ? This is a gross affront to millions, but heh, they are the only people on the planet you can take a swipe at & no one will complain eh ?

Spiral,

I assume this is directed at me. Do I think people who are lewd and party are "fit to hold mass?" Well mass involves donning a costume and performing rituals, pretending to drink the blood of Christ and eat his flesh -- so I'll throw it back in your court. What is stranger?

And a caveat here. I AM a Christian. I don't go to church but believe in the goodness, mercy and love that is the most redeeming feature of the New Testament. Plus, have deep respect for Christ and Mary seemed like a very lovely person.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, Cider, for all your input!! :highfive:

[ramus]

More on the Vatican :

Sex And Drug Ring Raided At Apartment Of High-Ranking Vatican Cardinal

05 Jul 2017 Posted by Matt Agorist

http://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/conspiracy/sex-drug-ring-raided-apartment
-high-ranking-vatican-cardinal/

Only days after the third highest-ranking member of the Vatican was charged with
raping children, another scandal has been uncovered in Rome


In 2014, Pope Francis admitted that “about two percent” or 1 in 50 Roman
Catholic priests are pedophiles. He then promised solutions to the history of
the church essentially condoning the horrid practice. However, in light of
recent events, it appears the Pope is either unconcerned with or actually
facilitating the abuse and hypocrisy of those within his holy ranks.

Within the last few weeks, scandal has plagued the Vatican as the third
highest-ranking cardinal, George Pell, was charged with sex abuse against
children in Australia. Now, on top of pedophilia, the Vatican can add drug
running to its ever-expanding list of corruption.

The newspaper, Il Fatto Quotidiano — translated from Italian to The Face Daily —
reported last week that Vatican police raided the apartment belonging to the
Con­gregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Ironically, that department is
charged with, among other things, tackling clerical sexual abuse.

The occupant of the apartment is alleged by the paper to be the secretary of
Cardinal Francesco Coccopa­l­merio, head of the Pontifical Council for
Legislative texts and a key adviser to the Pope.

Coccopalmerio had reportedly just recommended the secretary, who was charged
with running drugs, be promoted to bishop. That promotion is apparently on hold
at this time.

During the raid, police allegedly walked in on a massive ‘drug-fueled gay orgy’
taking place, according to the report.

It is anyone’s right to do as they please with other consenting adults so long
as all parties act voluntarily. If someone wants to host a ‘drug-fueled gay
orgy,’ by all means, host it, as both the drug use and sex are voluntary. What
consenting adults do behind closed doors is nobody’s business but their own.


That being said, however, the hypocrisy of the church in this instance is rife
and certainly warrants scrutiny. Moreover, the ages of those involved in the
raid have yet to be disclosed and — given the sordid history of the Catholic
church — to say there may have been children present is not an excessive
assumption.

Also, as Il Fatto Quotidiano reported, the corrupt clergymen were able to use
their church jurisdiction to transport drugs freely without worrying about the
Italian police. The luxury cars driven by the traffickers all had license plates
and official Holy See plaques that allowed them to move about freely without
being worried about getting caught.

The alleged sex ring has been the subject of recent protests in the area by
residents who say they heard and saw many unusual comings and goings of people
at all hours of the night.

As the Pope preaches reform and claims the church is ridding itself of problem
members, it appears, according to all the recent revelations, that the exact
opposite is happening. And, it appears, that it may even be deliberate.

According to a recent report out of the AP, Pope Francis has quietly reduced
sanctions against a handful of pedophile priests, applying his vision of a
merciful church even to its worst offenders in ways that survivors of abuse and
the pope’s own advisers question.

It is no secret that the Vatican has been sweeping the issue of pedophilia under
the rug for many years. In 2014, the UN issued a scathing report, blasting the
Vatican for protecting pedophiles.

The U.N. committee’s main human rights investigator, Sara Oviedo, led the most
intense grilling the Holy See has received on the issue, according to a report
by The Associated Press.

Given the “zero tolerance” policy of the Vatican, she asked, why were there
“efforts to cover up and obscure these types of cases?”

After observing the sheer number of recent alleged crimes committed by members
of the church, the answer to that question could be quite simple; corruption
within the church is so rampant that cover-ups have become the norm.

[norman]

I don't see any other comments on this so I'll mention it myself.

The report says it was the Vatican Police that nabbed them.

Doesn't that strike you as being the most interesting thing about this story ?

Exactly norman.

I think that when an exclusive, dominating, all powerful, private club (i.e. Catholic Church) begins to show their internal conflicts publicly, it's OVER (for them).
It's just a matter of time till it all unravels... blackmailing, finger pointing, blaming, retaliations, etc etc. Either the head of the beast is no longer, to keep all this in check or the various factions have lost any respect/fear.

The sad part is that there are millions of good folk whose faith and belief systems (in the Church) are about to be turned upside down. Many will say that this is a good thing... dunno... perhaps. The dark night of the soul is never pretty.

All those suddenly disillusioned catholic believers will need somewhere else to turn to, won't they ?

Now, I wonder what that could turn out to be ?

[AutumnW]

If the priests were enticing young men to their parties with drugs like meth mixed with ecstasy, cocaine etc...they should throw the book at them.

And these pedophiles within the church...is the Pope handing them over to the authorities? I thought Francis was all for treating these incidences as felonies that demand police involvement?

I watched a documentary about this subject and felt sorry for the Pope, as I get the feeling he is really trying but may not have total control over the greater system.

[Ernie Nemeth]

How can the papacy be taken seriously anymore with one rogue pope in hideout? Is there two infallible representatives on earth now? Did god make a mistake? What gives?

Of course they are evil to the core, if only for being cowards and not stepping up as Jesus taught them to with the money-changers. But now the Vatican is in bed with those same money-changers, has been for many years. Is it any wonder they have taken on the habits of their bed-fellows?

[norman]

How can the papacy be taken seriously anymore with one rogue pope in hideout? Is there two infallible representatives on earth now? Did god make a mistake? What gives?

Of course they are evil to the core, if only for being cowards and not stepping up as Jesus taught them to with the money-changers. But now the Vatican is in bed with those same money-changers, has been for many years. Is it any wonder they have taken on the habits of their bed-fellows?

You kindly trust that the Vatican was ever 'good'. My own inclination is to assume it was always a crooked set up with a false front to a predatory power structure.

[Foxie Loxie]

In my opinion....the real Jesus Movement was hijacked by Rome & developed into a system of control & manipulation over the mass populations which has worked for centuries! The Protestant denominations never really "broke" with Rome because they still accept what was put in motion in 325 A.D. as being "of God"! Puuulease!
Religions are definitely a "control system"; since that is what I came out of I can speak with a certainty. :yo:

[Justplain]

From what i meagerly understand of the roman church's history, as soon as it became the state religion of the roman empire it adopted the basic roman approach of absolutism and strong armed authoritarianism. Dissenting views of christianity that did not coincide with the view established at the inaugural Nicene convention, like gnosticisn (which in my opinion probably comes much closer to Jesus's true message), were stamped out, ruthlessly. The church, or its offshoots, have produced some of the greatest oppressions in history, like the inquisition and the suppression of native beliefs wherever the church arrived. So, to expect an authoritarian, ruthless, reclusive organisation to clean itself up is stretching the limits.

For some reason, the church continues to survive on the strength of Jesus's orginal message of love and forgiveness, which by some miracle was never written out of the scripture (there is plenty of evidence that lots of the new testament was re-written, and how much of the original text has been omitted goodness only knows).

Really, i cant see this organization redeeming itself. It would have to change so much, become transparent, accountable and responsive, that it couldnt remain the same organization. How could it survive the revelations of the apparent evil within, such as the reported satanism beyond the pedophelia, money laundering, hidden secret libraries, etc.?

[norman]

I think that's the plan, exactly. To collapse the Catholic church in perfect coordination with the birth of a New World Religion. Whether the Roman C remains in name or completely vanishes, doesn't matter much, as long as they get what they want.

[3(C)+me]

LAST WRITHES

The Vatican’s Swiss Guards Break Up a Drug-Fueled Gay Orgy in Pope Francis’ Backyard

Nosy neighbors are never a good thing. Especially if you are a monsignor hosting orgies and your neighbors are cardinals.


Barbie Latza Nadeau


ROME—It all started with the usual complaints from disgruntled neighbors: funny smells, slamming doors, loud music, the sound of squeaky beds and laughter late into the night. In almost any other situation anywhere in the world, the angry neighbors would have confronted the noisy tenant, maybe left a mean note on the door or complained to the landlord and the matter would be settled.

But this particular dispute occurred in one of the most prestigious addresses in Rome, the so-called Ex Sant’Uffizio Palace, in the very apartment owned by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith where Joseph Ratzinger lived for decades before becoming Pope Benedict XVI. The palatial ochre-colored building is home to dozens of high-ranking cardinals who live within walking distance of their jobs at the Roman Curia in Vatican City next door.

The fed-up neighbors were simply sick of what they described as a “steady stream of young men” who frequented Ratzinger’s former apartment, which had been given to Monsignor Luigi Capozzi, the secretary for Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio, who heads the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts, which busies itself with deciphering and clarifying various points of canon law. So they called the cops, in this case the Vatican’s elite Swiss Guard gendarmerie unit, when the noise and movida nightlife just got to be too much.

The Vatican police showed up to find an orgy in progress, with an untold number of naked men allegedly writhing around the floor with Capozzi and his cohorts, who were apparently under the influence of hard drugs according to the Italian newspaper Il Fatto Quotidiano which broke the story that a host of Italian and international media have since picked up.

Calls to the Swiss Guard turned up neither confirmations nor denials, but Capozzi is no longer at his job, according to the switchboard operator at his boss’ office.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-vaticans-swiss-guards-break-up-a-drug-fueled-gay-orgy-in-pope-francis-backyard

According to the unconfirmed, yet wildly salacious reports, the gendarmerie kicked everyone out and took Capozzi straight to a detox center in the hills outside of Rome. He is now supposed to be at a convent outside of Rome where wayward priests go to repent. He will face misdemeanor drug charges, say the local papers, but orgies aren’t illegal and there were no underage boys on the premises when the bust took place so he will not face sex-related charges.


Capozzi could be defrocked for his indiscretion, but that seems unlikely even though he would have clearly broken the vow of celibacy. His boss Cardinal Coccopalmerio has already replaced him and will not face any disciplinary measures for hiring such a promiscuous clerk. The cardinal is in no way implicated in the scandal, but he is expected to resign from his position next year when he turns 80, as is the custom. His office did not return calls for this story.

This latest salacious headline, which has become all-too-common when it comes to priests behaving badly, is said to have angered Pope Francis, who considers Coccopalmerio a close aid.

It comes on the heels of last week’s news that the pope’s finance czar, Cardinal George Pell, is facing criminal sex abuse charges for alleged crimes during his time as a priest in Australia.

[Spiral]

Ramus, I am not particularly orgy bent myself, but think this is a healthy development. As Spiral says, anything that reduces the hold of the Gay mafia, strengthened by layers of mutual blackmail, including gay partying--is a positive development.

Priests are usually gay men and their gayness should be acknowledged. The extremes of their behavior is likely a result of the same kind of rebellion teens go through when their basic natures and desire for independence are stifled by their parents. (not saying that parental control is necessarily negative)

Oh, and yes, sometimes I drink--for clarity!:bearhug:





What offences? Partying with young gay guys? As long as minors aren't being abused, it sounds like a good time is being had by all. Probably the worst offences within the Catholic Church were the result of sexual repression and arrested sexual development, manifesting as creepy creepy pedo behaviour.

I say...let them play.

Let them play but close down the hypocrisy also.

????, It's not The church of satan, it's the Church of Christ !

Do you really think they are fit to hold Mass, oh wait, you aren't a Catholic & don't really have any idea what it's about at all do you ? This is a gross affront to millions, but heh, they are the only people on the planet you can take a swipe at & no one will complain eh ?

Spiral,

I assume this is directed at me. Do I think people who are lewd and party are "fit to hold mass?" Well mass involves donning a costume and performing rituals, pretending to drink the blood of Christ and eat his flesh -- so I'll throw it back in your court. What is stranger?

And a caveat here. I AM a Christian. I don't go to church but believe in the goodness, mercy and love that is the most redeeming feature of the New Testament. Plus, have deep respect for Christ and Mary seemed like a very lovely person.

No it wasn't aimed at you, and for the record,I am a Christian and I am am a practicing Catholic, I entered this as an adult & fully understand the ramifications, the mass is clearly a high magical rite and is for me a way out of so much demonic BS

[Foxie Loxie]

Spiral, you mention that you see the mass as a "high magical rite". That is very intriguing to me given what you yourself have lived through! How does that help you out of "demonic BS"? What actual significance do you attribute to the rite? I respect your opinions & have enjoyed all your posts, so I would like to understand your logical reasons for accepting this rite as having some significance for you. :confused:

[Justplain]

One of the aspects of religious and other societies activities is what is known as 'ritual magic'. By doing the same practices and invocations over and over, this causes a kind of magic. As we all know, there are good and bad magic. Prayer could be interpreted as having magical qualities. Most interpret magic from prayers as some sort of minor miracle. Most experiencing good magic can be touched personally as a spiritual experience.

One society that practices a lot of this are the masons. In my low level, now exited, experience in masonry, the rituals, and language used, are extensive and persistent. As in church orthodoxy, rituals cannot be questioned. Also, as in church dogma, the authority is top down, very militaristic in structure. The ritual magic gives the group more power than it would ordinarily have. One of my disappointments with masonry was its lack of emphasis on promoting love and forgiveness. Also, for all of masonries lip service to equality and liberty, its a very rigid organization which requires unquestioning obedience from its participants. I saw no chance of change there, let alone improvement. By promoting an abrahamic slave type religious approach, and not emphasing love, i saw how easy at higher levels it could be infiltrated and manipulated by evil.

One of the great myths of the current materialistic world view is that magic is a myth. Just like science will answer all questions. So, having the world generally believe that magic is nonsense, means those that practice it have that much more influence.

Ritual magic in a positive church service can be very charming and re-assuring. As an 'unorthodox christian', i find the references to 'drinking christ's blood and eating his flesh' as a bit distasteful. However, i see that for those who attend this is not taken seriously and simply is understood as symbolic. I do think that this is a continuation of pagan practices, as jordon maxwell insightfully points out.

So, the truth of the matter is there are a very large volume of good Catholics in this world, despite the corruption and authoritarian nature of this organization. Corruption in the roman church has been a long standing fact, over millenium. Although i dont see this institution surviving an all out housecleaning, that does not trouble me. The world has matured. Personally, i would welcome a cleaning out of this rats nest.

[happyuk]

What offences? Partying with young gay guys? As long as minors aren't being abused, it sounds like a good time is being had by all. Probably the worst offences within the Catholic Church were the result of sexual repression and arrested sexual development, manifesting as creepy creepy pedo behaviour.

I say...let them play.

Let them play but close down the hypocrisy also.

????, It's not The church of satan, it's the Church of Christ !

Do you really think they are fit to hold Mass, oh wait, you aren't a Catholic & don't really have any idea what it's about at all do you ? This is a gross affront to millions, but heh, they are the only people on the planet you can take a swipe at & no one will complain eh ?

Dear god do you always get so upset when others express an opinion? You're speaking for yourself not the supposedly affronted millions who in reality couldn't care less what I think. My PhD supervisor was a practising Catholic. That didn't stop him from being a pompous ass.

Many who consider them selves holy what with their ostentation and outward displays of religiosity are still doing all kinds of sinful things and possess no inner realization.

These people get irked when others do not appreciate them for the grand highly evolved beings they imagine themselves to be. Jesus Christ with his dry wit referred to these types as "whitewashed tombs". One day their hypocrisy will come crashing down as per universal law.

[amor]

Before coming to Avalon tonight, I stumbled on to a site telling about homosexual orgies of the vilest sort to which entertainers which we see in Hollywood must allow themselves to be subjected in order to continue working and getting any parts. The industry, according to this video, is totally controlled by a group of rabid homosexuals who rape the male and female actors through every hole they possess, and at every level of increased wealth, it gets worse. These are the people who decide who wins an oscar, according to this video. I accidentally wondered into this from my journey through "Antarctica" videos to "planet X" videos. The channel was something to the effect of "Unbelievablenews," not the actual wording.

I wish to point out that this homosexual behavior is not isolated but leads from one bad thing to the next. Those celebrities using the three finger sign are apparently deep into its orgies in order to keep their jobs. After being physically and mentally debased, they move on to Satanism and Sacrificial acts. Children are molested and sacrificed in Satanism.

The Vatican and Catholic Church, if it ever was Christian, it no longer is. The Pope has declared Jesus Christ a Failure and shows the cross upside down. Nostradamus said they "Put out the child in favor of the mother." This means the worship of Mary instead of the Christ. Jesus explicitly forbids homosexuality, because the unbridled use of sex, especially under drugs, brings the people and eventually the whole society down to the gutter where the society of homosexuals eventually rule everything and everyone. The end is Sodom and Gomorrah. It grows like wild fire and does not remain isolated by its very nature.

[Cidersomerset]

David explains paedophile rings ,Satanism and connects the dots how they get
away with it.....David is one of the worlds foremost experts on this subject. This is
essential listening to those interested in this topic imo. Child abuse is worldwide....
David Icke Videocast - Another Day - Another House of Horror

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Published on 7 Jul 2017
David's Dot Connector Videocast ......

Tory Whip Would Help Cover up Potential Paedophile Scandal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjJeQSfFhj8
1995. The late Tory Whip during the Heath years, Tim Fortescue, explains how
party whips would help cover up a potential paedophile scandal for "brownie points".
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Many of these cases have been reported for decades , but never really followed up
and it continues to happen because it gets covered up or quietly killed off in
paperwork and reports as the establishment has been infiltrated and compromised
for a long time.


BBC : Jersey's care homes decades of abuse examined in report
3 July 2017
read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-40325373

Jersey child sex abuse: Children 'still at risk' in care system as damning report calls
for demolition of home
jersey-haut-de-la-garenne-care-home-demolished-children-sex-abuse-report-a7821756
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jersey-haut-de-la-garenne-care-home-demolished-children-sex-abuse-report-a7821756.html

[Snoweagle]

I am a non practising Roman Catholic. "Gods little soldier" as advised by Mother Superior Sister Austin at the Roman Catholic School I attended. She and Sister Veronica actively protected me from the priestly group active in the Church. I was an altar boy at the church and a roguish rebel, for my even then, non conformity, by my constant questioning that which I was being taught. I recognise now I was a typical target for indoctrination by their abuse. Others suffered by the Church.

However, I was gang raped by four altar boys, whom I knew. At the age of thirteen or fourteen, I do not recall the exact age. The event occurred when I met two of my "friends", fellow altar boys at the beach and pleaded with my parents to spend the Sunday with them and their elder cousins, one of which had a car and they would run me home. My very strict father, relented. I figure he thought I would be safe with them. My parents and younger brothers then went home.

The last thing I remember was taking a drink offered before we left the beach on our way home.

The next memory I had was watching me disembark for the car outside our home. I watched my friends bundle me from the car and leave me dishevelled at the feet of my waiting and fretful mother.

Simultaneously, I have a coincident memory of the "bundling" out of the vehicle, from my place sat in the middle of the back seat through a gap afforded by the front passenger pulling his seat forward rather than stepping out of the car and being pushed and pulled frantically by my "friends". Once out of the car they sped away.

Freaky? But true.

My mother took me inside. I was incoherent. Burbling. My mother was shocked. She took me indoors and up to my bedroom and stripped me tersely and violently. I realise now she suspected and knew in her heart her worst fears. When she pulled down my jocks, I recall my subdued indignation at being exposed naked even to my mother. She was determined and spun me around and checked my backside. I protested meekly. She turned me around and showed me my jocks, my underpants were saturated in thick red blood across the whole of the backside of the garment.

It was around eight o'clock in the evening as she then tucked me into bed and she made me promise not to tell my father. My father had gone to the pub as he was accustomed to doing on Sunday evenings. She was driven in making me make that promise. Even in my stupor her conviction at her tone to this day was palpable.

It was three days before I regained my normal self and I was able to engage with my friends for the remainder of the school holidays, a mere seven days before we returned to our classrooms.

I have no memory of the "rape" at all. Even to this day as a sixty something, no memory of the abuse at all.

However, when in my forties, when I was very popular with the ladies, my new partner brought her dildo to bed and we or I embarked on putting the thing to the test. It was a challenge of man versus the machine. I am one hundred percent heterosexual. The adventure revolved around the needs of my partner. In the early hours I collapsed face down on the bed in need of a recharge. Damn those Duracells!

My girlfriend then began massaging my back and you guessed it contrary to my warning she tried to surprise me. I recall screaming, then I blacked out.

When I regained my senses I was flying through the air of my large bedroom in a blood rage to crush the head of my girlfriend who was laying akimbo at the partially collapsed wardrobe where she sprawled screaming at the top of her lungs. In a flash realising what I was doing I twisted crashing into the same wardrobe almost demolishing it onto her and then stormed around the room in a blind fury and rage I have never to this day experienced in my lifetime.

There were flashes of the abuse, of the rage, within me that I had never knew existed.

Our memories are not held within our heads. That is BOLLOCKS.

My body remembered. My body fought my girlfriend as though she were four men. She nearly died that day by my hand.

This is my story, my experience, it now exists here on Avalon as a record, forever on the internet.
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So you want my my opinion on Homosexuality, Paedophilia and Religion, you are are going to love it if you are an honest heterosexual and believes in the consummation between man and woman.

How can any man justify calling "love" by taking a penis up another mans anus? The anus is an extremely sensitive organ that is the most sensitive pump known to man, that is the only known pump to science, that can differentiate between gas, liquids and solids and performs the stooling process for the bodies waste. And you call that "LOVE".

How can any man justify buggery, sodomy or adult abuse of the young and developing children before they have matured innocently prior to engaging in sexual engagements in their mid to late teens of their own choice?

How can religious scripts of Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Freemasonry justify and be allowed to practice these abuses with impunity? It is a control mechanism for those that embark into these activities to be controlled. They are controlled because these practices are shameful.

Thankfully, as I peruse the news worldwide there is a growing number, a major majority of peoples now awakening to these practices and they are no longer waiting for lawful restitution, which is controversial but necessary. No judicial prosecution for street butchery of paedophiles should be a United Nation Law Statute as far as I am concerned.

I believe homosexuality is a practice of humanities rancid wretches. Send them to Africa, Russia, far East and see how they would be tolerated there:-)

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks for your explicit frankness Snoweagle in sharing your experience and thoughts.

I am not judging your views in anyway and if I had experienced rape I do not know
how it would effect me ? I personally have no problem with peoples sexuality so long
as its between consenting adults , after that like everything it gets into grey areas
but one human exploiting another is wrong period , but it happens all the time everywhere
in most aspects of life. There are also many who do try to "Do unto others as you would
have them do unto you" , as the quote goes.

Regarding the homosexual antics of the clergy , its the hypocrisy of centuries of double
standards and abuse by them in the name of someone with dubious motives god or ET
in origin that is part of the overall control meme .

[Spiral]

What offences? Partying with young gay guys? As long as minors aren't being abused, it sounds like a good time is being had by all. Probably the worst offences within the Catholic Church were the result of sexual repression and arrested sexual development, manifesting as creepy creepy pedo behaviour.

I say...let them play.

Let them play but close down the hypocrisy also.

????, It's not The church of satan, it's the Church of Christ !

Do you really think they are fit to hold Mass, oh wait, you aren't a Catholic & don't really have any idea what it's about at all do you ? This is a gross affront to millions, but heh, they are the only people on the planet you can take a swipe at & no one will complain eh ?

Dear god do you always get so upset when others express an opinion? You're speaking for yourself not the supposedly affronted millions who in reality couldn't care less what I think. My PhD supervisor was a practising Catholic. That didn't stop him from being a pompous ass.

Many who consider them selves holy what with their ostentation and outward displays of religiosity are still doing all kinds of sinful things and possess no inner realization.

These people get irked when others do not appreciate them for the grand highly evolved beings they imagine themselves to be. Jesus Christ with his dry wit referred to these types as "whitewashed tombs". One day their hypocrisy will come crashing down as per universal law.


pompous ass ?

hypocrisy ??

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[Snoweagle]

Thanks for your explicit frankness Snoweagle in sharing your experience and thoughts.

I am not judging your views in anyway and if I had experienced rape I do not know
how it would effect me ? I personally have no problem with peoples sexuality so long
as its between consenting adults , after that like everything it gets into grey areas
but one human exploiting another is wrong period , but it happens all the time everywhere
in most aspects of life. There are also many who do try to "Do unto others as you would
have them do unto you" , as the quote goes.

Regarding the homosexual antics of the clergy , its the hypocrisy of centuries of double
standards and abuse by them in the name of someone with dubious motives god or ET
in origin that is part of the overall control meme .

Absolutely. I agree with your cautionary comment fully.

My encounter with rape is my "Nothing Burger". I have absolutely no memory of the event. I suspect the last drink on the beach was laced with, what we are now familiar with, Scolpolamine, a favourite of the Clergy and other ne’er do wells. So no problem here. Just don't squeeze my butt:-)

I have no problem with homosexuality when the practice is kept private and not in the public domain. Sadly, the media is promoting it across all platforms trying to "normalise" the practice within the community, which is something I do not endorse, condone or support in any way. One of the many reasons I no longer have a television.

I have friends and family who are homosexuals. No problem. They keep their private lives private and engage with like minded others quietly and privately. Many of my work mates and associates were also gay, again no problem whatsoever.

The only times it has ever been a problem was when drunken or drugged gay men became pushy and insistent that their behaviour was normal and should be supported and encouraged. Bad move. Wrong person. There was trouble. But these were isolated instances and they were dealt with as adults.

What I do not condone in any shape or form is homosexual men raising children, as I believe this is definitely a "gateway" to normalising this non normal activity in the minds of those young, impressionable and developing children. I find this concept hideous. I just am unable to find any rational normal thought other than it being a doorway to abuse. Children should not ever be exposed to any sort of sexual behaviour until they are mature enough in their mid teens. Let them discover then when both male and females are ready for consummation of their desire.

Leave the kids alone.

As for the Clergy. In particular Roman Catholicism. I strongly believe all members of this faith should be married. I would be very happy if they took multiple lady partners. No problem. Promote family ideals and set the example for their parishioners and the community at large. As per happen chance, read this article:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/living/religion/article160165564.html

Being gay is not a crime. Normalising gayness as socially acceptable through any form of doctrine in my opinion is a crime. We should each keep our private lives private and bring no harm to others. Then it becomes easier to work together across all spheres of our lives.

My earlier strong insult against the gay community was targeted at those promiscuous individuals who are hell bent on the normalising issue. Those that stand on soap boxes trying to justify and expecting special treatment. It is those that I consider the wretches in our culture, forcing themselves and their belief system onto others being no different to another modern day Inquisition.

[AutumnW]

Before coming to Avalon tonight, I stumbled on to a site telling about homosexual orgies of the vilest sort to which entertainers which we see in Hollywood must allow themselves to be subjected in order to continue working and getting any parts. The industry, according to this video, is totally controlled by a group of rabid homosexuals who rape the male and female actors through every hole they possess, and at every level of increased wealth, it gets worse. These are the people who decide who wins an oscar, according to this video. I accidentally wondered into this from my journey through "Antarctica" videos to "planet X" videos. The channel was something to the effect of "Unbelievablenews," not the actual wording.

I wish to point out that this homosexual behavior is not isolated but leads from one bad thing to the next. Those celebrities using the three finger sign are apparently deep into its orgies in order to keep their jobs. After being physically and mentally debased, they move on to Satanism and Sacrificial acts. Children are molested and sacrificed in Satanism.

The Vatican and Catholic Church, if it ever was Christian, it no longer is. The Pope has declared Jesus Christ a Failure and shows the cross upside down. Nostradamus said they "Put out the child in favor of the mother." This means the worship of Mary instead of the Christ. Jesus explicitly forbids homosexuality, because the unbridled use of sex, especially under drugs, brings the people and eventually the whole society down to the gutter where the society of homosexuals eventually rule everything and everyone. The end is Sodom and Gomorrah. It grows like wild fire and does not remain isolated by its very nature.

What has a 'homo-sex-shull' ever done to you, Amor? How have they affected you personally, made your own life worse?

[amor]

I, unknowingly, married one. When I became pregnant, he took me to his doctor who told me that he was paranoid schizophrenic and it would be passed on to his children. I then discovered he was also really homosexual and then, much worse. Divorce was the only option. I hate to even remember him. He married to use me as cover for his abnormalities and worked me to death promoting his professional desirability. There is much more. He was jewish; even his mother hated him. I only recently learned that male jews in Israel are encouraged to participate in homosexual activity, presumably even while married. I worked for a while in New York City at a furniture showroom and left there with the certainty that MEN, real men, no longer existed in that town. Of course, the decorating industry is wall to wall homosexual. There is much more horror to this tale. The moral is to have your future mate INVESTIGATED, mentally, physically and definitely morally or you will pay for the rest of your life and so will your children. Pay attention Autumn and do as I say. I googled his name and could not believe the disgraceful things I pulled up.

[Molly4US]

Well, this is quite repugnant news, indeed. There is so much perverted chaos and violence going on throughout the world right now; though of course it has been this bad before and we pulled through with flying colors IMO. Due to various uses of mind-control that I have been made painfully aware of in various ways. . . And the fact that I believe this violence and mind-control are being done by enemies of the United States and Westernized countries for the purpose of framing the United States for the use of such mind-control, frequency control, hypnotic control, mechanized-energy theatre templates,. . . these are against the Geneva Frequency Treaty of 1975. To frame the United States as using these outlawed weapons is a War Crime falling under one of the definitions of Perfidy. The Cardinals could have been operated by any of these means totally against their will, thus not only a War Crime in both of the ways I have mentioned above, but also for the purpose of humiliating the Catholic church and all Christians. . . to break people's spirit. . . . afterall, that is one of terrorisms chief goals: to cause us to lose heart in everything we hold dear. . our sense of decency, our government, our religion, our motivation, our financial system, our military. ISIS and their buddies are working overtime trying to make us turn against one another, religiously, racially, politically, so that their job is made easier. We need to take heart and pray for our leaders. I dispise pedaphilia and anything immoral in the church more than anyone I know, but these times call for Police working hard and detection devices being used to see if indeed, these Catholic guys were actually abused by WMD frequency templates which can force actions. The energy can enter your arm, take hold and make your arm do what they want. If you keep fighting the energy (some sort of electro-magnetic current), your bones will even break. I have seen it first hand at least a few times. It was hideous. Thanks for listening. I hope someone will read this and reply about your experiences. I have seen this used in a capacity to save a life once, but the other times it was used to frame innocent people by anti-American criminals.

[Molly4US]

Oh. I am so sorry Amor. This happened to me and my children too. And then there were other guys my ex-husband knew (which I didn't know at the time he knew them) who I then dated who were also engaging in these activities. Oh, icky, horror, so much pain. I too began feeling that there just may be no read men left in my town either. But, for a positive not, church helps me so much, and now Donald Trump is far exceeding my expectations. Please be blessed. There is a group called Celebrate Recovery with special church meetings for Hurts, Habits, and Hang-ups which includes a 8 Princlple/12 STEP group. Helped me tremendously when I felt like a walking ragdoll. There is so much more, much, much more. Please know that we will get through this and have peace again.

[AutumnW]

Oh. I am so sorry Amor. This happened to me and my children too. And then there were other guys my ex-husband knew (which I didn't know at the time he knew them) who I then dated who were also engaging in these activities. Oh, icky, horror, so much pain. I too began feeling that there just may be no read men left in my town either. But, for a positive not, church helps me so much, and now Donald Trump is far exceeding my expectations. Please be blessed. There is a group called Celebrate Recovery with special church meetings for Hurts, Habits, and Hang-ups which includes a 8 Princlple/12 STEP group. Helped me tremendously when I felt like a walking ragdoll. There is so much more, much, much more. Please know that we will get through this and have peace again.

Really sorry for what you have been through. However your posts are so laden with the worst kind of stereotyping and bigotry, it's hard to take anything you are saying seriously.

[Justplain]

Unfortunately, Molly4US, from the research revealed here on Avalon, and other places, in the west, and especially America, governments have been doing mind control psyops on their own populations for decades now, likely much longer. 9/11 is the largest example. ISIS is believed to be a CIA/saudi invention. This is not to say that enemies of the west arent conducting similar psyops, they most likely are. However, a lot of the mind control tech is being used by western governments on their own citizens. The obvious, even admitted, 'straight forward' psyops include the 'weapons of mass destruction' of the last iraq war and the 'gulf of tonkin incident' that escalated the viet nam war.

Also, real men may be hard to come by, but my family has a few. You know, the good ones get grabbed and married off quickly.

Here's some info on america self-inflicted psyops:

CIA admits to Church Commission (1975) that it pays members of the media, including the press and hollywood, to influence the american public:

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The goal of US foreign policy is perpetual war to support its fascist military-industrial complex, as per an insider:

http://www.naturalnews.com/052805_military-industrial_complex_US_foreign_policy_endless_war.html

CIA whistleblower Kevin Shipp supports truth movement on vaccinations and chemtrails:
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Major General retired Albert Stubblebine questions the terrorist narrative on 9/11:

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Regarding the roman catholic church, the mind control looks primarily conducted internally from some place like the black pope's office, or somewhere similar.

Pope Benedict says paedophilia was not considered bad as recently as the 1970’s:

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/pope-benedict-declares-pedophilia-was-n

[AutumnW]

I, unknowingly, married one. When I became pregnant, he took me to his doctor who told me that he was paranoid schizophrenic and it would be passed on to his children. I then discovered he was also really homosexual and then, much worse. Divorce was the only option. I hate to even remember him. He married to use me as cover for his abnormalities and worked me to death promoting his professional desirability. There is much more. He was jewish; even his mother hated him. I only recently learned that male jews in Israel are encouraged to participate in homosexual activity, presumably even while married. I worked for a while in New York City at a furniture showroom and left there with the certainty that MEN, real men, no longer existed in that town. Of course, the decorating industry is wall to wall homosexual. There is much more horror to this tale. The moral is to have your future mate INVESTIGATED, mentally, physically and definitely morally or you will pay for the rest of your life and so will your children. Pay attention Autumn and do as I say. I googled his name and could not believe the disgraceful things I pulled up.

You recently learned that male Jews in Israel are encouraged to take part in homosexual activities? Huh?

[Cidersomerset]

Live From Rome! Journalist Who Exposed Vatican Gay Orgies/Pedophilia Breaks New Information

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Published on 10 Jul 2017
Alex Jones guest reveals Big breaking Vatican news. Investigative Vatican reporter
Leo Zagami exposes vatican gay orgies/pedophilia story msm won't dare talk about.
Help us spread the word about the liberty movement, we're reaching millions help
us reach millions more. Share the free live video feed link with your
friends & family: http://www.infowars.com/show

[7alon]

What is the deal with Leo Zagami anyway? Didn't Bill and Kerrie have an odd experience related to him?

[Flash]

pedophilia has nothing to do with framing the USA. it may have to do with framing high levels individuals and therefore controlling a country that way. Pedophilia has always existed. If you read history book on the Roman Empire, you will find it there. The Turkish armies invading Turkey (which was, 600 years ago, Roman and Greek or anatolian) had young boys following the army to serve as sex slaves - why boys? because it released the soldiers so they would fight less amongst themselves and boys do not get pregnant, so the army did not have to carry around pregnant girls.

You see...

In Catholic church pedophilia has always existed as well. I know horror stories dating a century back (my parents and grand parents) of priests on boys.

As for the forces into one's arm, i barely believe it. My daughter was telling me "it is not me, it is my arm or my hand" when she was doing misdeeds. Even her she would end up laughing at her own comment, at 5 years old.

Sorry for you and your children, truly.


Well, this is quite repugnant news, indeed. There is so much perverted chaos and violence going on throughout the world right now; though of course it has been this bad before and we pulled through with flying colors IMO. Due to various uses of mind-control that I have been made painfully aware of in various ways. . . And the fact that I believe this violence and mind-control are being done by enemies of the United States and Westernized countries for the purpose of framing the United States for the use of such mind-control, frequency control, hypnotic control, mechanized-energy theatre templates,. . . these are against the Geneva Frequency Treaty of 1975. To frame the United States as using these outlawed weapons is a War Crime falling under one of the definitions of Perfidy. The Cardinals could have been operated by any of these means totally against their will, thus not only a War Crime in both of the ways I have mentioned above, but also for the purpose of humiliating the Catholic church and all Christians. . . to break people's spirit. . . . afterall, that is one of terrorisms chief goals: to cause us to lose heart in everything we hold dear. . our sense of decency, our government, our religion, our motivation, our financial system, our military. ISIS and their buddies are working overtime trying to make us turn against one another, religiously, racially, politically, so that their job is made easier. We need to take heart and pray for our leaders. I dispise pedaphilia and anything immoral in the church more than anyone I know, but these times call for Police working hard and detection devices being used to see if indeed, these Catholic guys were actually abused by WMD frequency templates which can force actions. The energy can enter your arm, take hold and make your arm do what they want. If you keep fighting the energy (some sort of electro-magnetic current), your bones will even break. I have seen it first hand at least a few times. It was hideous. Thanks for listening. I hope someone will read this and reply about your experiences. I have seen this used in a capacity to save a life once, but the other times it was used to frame innocent people by anti-American criminals.

[NeedleThreader]

I myself am quite shocked to see so much homophobia on this thread.

I'm looking at you amor: "I wish to point out that this homosexual behavior is not isolated but leads from one bad thing to the next."

and you Snoweagle: "I believe homosexuality is a practice of humanities rancid wretches. Send them to Africa, Russia, far East and see how they would be tolerated there:-)"

and you molly4us :"also engaging in these activities. Oh, icky, horror, so much pain."

I am seriously at a loss for words really, I'm looking out my window at this beautiful day and my brain is literally trying to be able to say what I want to say next as if I were about to address a small child who does not yet understand love or compassion.

Homosexuality does and cannot ever be correlated to leading from one bad thing to the next. Are you joking? Get real.

Rancid Wretches eh? Guess what bro, I was feeling really sorry for you and your story until that last sentence you threw in there. Don't try to candy coat this statement with: I have friends and family that are. Just the fact that you have to have a laundry list of all the gays you do know, as long as there is never a situation where you have to think about the 'rancid' activities they do in acts of love for each other. You suck. You should be sent to the coldest place on earth, jackass.

And Molly4us, ah, your too easy.

Where are the mods on this?

[Cidersomerset]

What is the deal with Leo Zagami anyway? Didn't Bill and Kerrie have an odd experience related to him?

I think there was some interaction with intel agents towards the end
of the original Project Camelot when Bill and Kerry's had threats.
One incident was the hired car they were using brakes failed.
There was a problem with Leo concerning threats to him if
I remember but you would need to look it up or ask Bill , if
I think of it or come across something I will post it.....

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Vatican Cleric To Stand Trial For Sexual Assault

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE_LJTyjXeo


Published on 10 Jul 2017
Associated press....
The most senior Vatican cleric to ever be charged in the Roman Catholic Church
sex abuse scandal returned to Australia on Monday to stand trial in his home state
on charges alleging he sexually assaulted multiple people years ago. (July 10)

[norman]

I myself am quite shocked to see so much homophobia on this thread.

I'm looking at you amor: "I wish to point out that this homosexual behavior is not isolated but leads from one bad thing to the next."

and you Snoweagle: "I believe homosexuality is a practice of humanities rancid wretches. Send them to Africa, Russia, far East and see how they would be tolerated there:-)"

and you molly4us :"also engaging in these activities. Oh, icky, horror, so much pain."

I am seriously at a loss for words really, I'm looking out my window at this beautiful day and my brain is literally trying to be able to say what I want to say next as if I were about to address a small child who does not yet understand love or compassion.

Homosexuality does and cannot ever be correlated to leading from one bad thing to the next. Are you joking? Get real.

Rancid Wretches eh? Guess what bro, I was feeling really sorry for you and your story until that last sentence you threw in there. Don't try to candy coat this statement with: I have friends and family that are. Just the fact that you have to have a laundry list of all the gays you do know, as long as there is never a situation where you have to think about the 'rancid' activities they do in acts of love for each other. You suck. You should be sent to the coldest place on earth, jackass.

And Molly4us, ah, your too easy.

Where are the mods on this?

I think you might find that there is a huge arguement/fight in this subject of the homosexual phenomenon.

I think it's best to just let people speak to it as they feel best about it, as you have done yourself.

[Justplain]

Unfortunately, a thread about hypocritical, criminal priests in the largest religious organization in the world will bring out all sorts of angry responses, often fueled by our deepest fears and frustrations. It is just so infuriating that an organization that professes to be God's servants and messengers here on Earth, is so riddled with perverts, criminals and liars. And, then to add insult to injury, the organization shuffles its criminals off to 'repent' in a monastery/convent (until the issue blows over). Instead, all these crooks should be thrown in jail like ordinary people. And, the church should have its ass sued off in class actions.

[Cidersomerset]

Federal Officer Talks About Trump's War On Pedophiles/The Pope Is Purging Anti-Pedophiles

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Published on 11 Jul 2017

Alex Jones talks with former Navy SEAL Craig Sawyer and Leo Zagami about
how Donald Trump is taking on and destroying the global pedophile network.

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This was posted on Davids U'tube today and is from one of his presentations...

Child Abuse & Paedophilia By The Elite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hzwHv2zr4Y

Published on 10 Jul 2017

[Molly4US]

My Internet is down and I cannot play the videos you attached yet because I can only access Internet in the library for a week or so 'til my modem is fixed. I am so looking forward to watching the videos. Although spying is a necessary part of ensuring safety, it should not be detectable to citizens which has not been the experience of "targeted individuals". Also, I believe there have been numerous times when enemy nations and their spy/operatives have infiltrated U.S. military/government/CIA and performed illegal and damaging acts upon the American populace to frame the U.S.; in order for the U.S. to not scare the public they have probably claimed responsibility for at least some of these acts once the atrocities are brought to light. That is my belief of which I have kind of come up with on my own. My belief came about after being a "targeted individual" for many years (now doing year 13). The war crime of Perfidy. How advantageous it is for an enemy nation to harm U.S. citizens, making U.S. citizens turn against each other and against our own government and military. It makes it so much less work for the enemy nation(s) which I believe fully to be Islamic. We are in deep trouble. I am not sure how this one will play out.

[Valerie Villars]

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This video (very short) kind of says it all. This priest reverted to his true self while baptizing a baby. I hate to think what he did behind closed doors to kids.

[hermit]

AutumnW said:

Priests are usually gay men and their gayness should be acknowledged. The extremes of their behavior is likely a result of the same kind of rebellion teens go through when their basic natures and desire for independence are stifled by their parents. (not saying that parental control is necessarily negative)


Four years ago when I was coming to terms that I had a vocational direction towards the priesthood, I went to the great book of wisdom (google) and searched. I didn't think I was going to find much--as an openly queer man, I was familiar with the teaching of the catechism, which basically says that people with same sex attraction are limited to celibate lives with disinterested friendships.

Now, I know most people here aren't Catholic, or see Catholicism as a greater movement as potentially valuable, but I ask you: do many of you have or keep disinterested friends?

What I did end up finding was Independent/Old Catholicism. This is something that the Vatican did a great job hiding, and rather than jump into detail here, I'll invite you to google if you're interested. The person I contact, the man who became my spiritual director, began life as a Jesuit. What he told me about the foundations of the politics of the church at it's highest level, is that anyone expecting radical reforms will be disappointed. This is a house of cards built over thousands of years to protect and to promote agendas. If one card moves, or is shifted radically, the entire house of cards will tumble.

If I was going to practice as a Roman Catholic religious of any kind, I would have to lie about who I am. Personally? I can't take those kinds of vows with that cavalier of an attitude. So I feel really luck that I found what I did because it gives me hope: this doesn't have to be the way it is, it shouldn't be the way it is, and the message that needs to be face first gets buried because it's presented though a filter of personal lies and deceit.

Windswept House. Good read. Recommend it.


AutumnW also said: Oh, and yes, sometimes I drink--for clarity!

Just drink, period. It's good for you, and that's Biblical. :D :P

Pax et bonum

[hermit]

????, It's not The church of satan, it's the Church of Christ !

Do you really think they are fit to hold Mass, oh wait, you aren't a Catholic & don't really have any idea what it's about at all do you ? This is a gross affront to millions, but heh, they are the only people on the planet you can take a swipe at & no one will complain eh ?

If you have to lie when you take a vow, a solemn vow, and then enter into a state of celibacy that can cycle into shame and challenge you're not equipped to deal with, and then enter into a liturgy (don't get me started..pm me if you want to go there)....

I suspect that the real connections to the Divine are still happening, but that people don't generally talk about them too publicly. I think that there is probably sincerity that is Catholic and devoted, but not Roman.

[hermit]

If the priests were enticing young men to their parties with drugs like meth mixed with ecstasy, cocaine etc...they should throw the book at them.

And these pedophiles within the church...is the Pope handing them over to the authorities? I thought Francis was all for treating these incidences as felonies that demand police involvement?

I watched a documentary about this subject and felt sorry for the Pope, as I get the feeling he is really trying but may not have total control over the greater system.


Exactly. It's a matter of one person having to try and create cliques of people to effect change in a system that is fundamentally against change. So, picture a leader, dragging St. Peter's Basilica behind him on a chain every step he takes.

[hermit]

So you want my my opinion on Homosexuality, Paedophilia and Religion, you are are going to love it if you are an honest heterosexual and believes in the consummation between man and woman.

*going to qualify first by telling you I'm openly gay, in a monogamous relationship, and a seminarian and Franciscan with an Independent Catholic denomination.

How can any man justify calling "love" by taking a penis up another mans anus? The anus is an extremely sensitive organ that is the most sensitive pump known to man, that is the only known pump to science, that can differentiate between gas, liquids and solids and performs the stooling process for the bodies waste. And you call that "LOVE".

I spent the first 20 years of my life asking myself that exact question. I felt like I was the only person who felt attracted to people of the same sex, and I felt like I was something dirty, something to be cast into a ditch, something that was less than everything and everyone around me. Heterosexual people were normal, they had opportunities that I could never have: they could be happy. All I could be was alone, because in my mind, I wasn't good enough to be anything but alone.

I won't go into great detail here--you can pm me if you want particulars of my story--but I ended up anxious, depressed, suicidal. It went in waves, ups and downs. There were other modifiers here that had nothing to do with how I identified sexually, family dynamics, social dynamics. What I will tell you was there was only one consolation, and only one hope, and that was the potential that there was some manifestation of a divine presence that would love me where no one in my perception could.

I'm 47 years old now. I'm a different person from when I was at 37, 27, 17, 7. But one thing I can tell you is love is not a physical sexual act. I know a lot of people, gay and straight, grow up confusing the idea that sex or a sexual act is somehow a result of love. I have loved people and been in relationship with people where love never manifested in anything physical aside from a hug, a kind word, a desire to serve in the best and most noblest of ways.

I'm in a relationship with a lovely person, a man, and we both have to work really hard at communicating, being open about how we feel, the same things that other couples have to do. We have couple problems, what to eat for supper, and we have dreams like couples, like where we're going to go on honeymoon.

I also happen to be a religious. And, that's also a long story I'd be willing to share with anyone interested.

I can't begin to understand the anguish of your experience, and I won't pretend that I can say or do anything that can change your perception. If there is anything I can do? Is that I might, just might, be able to understand a small portion of your own anguish because I've anguished in different ways myself.

How can any man justify buggery, sodomy or adult abuse of the young and developing children before they have matured innocently prior to engaging in sexual engagements in their mid to late teens of their own choice?

How can religious scripts of Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Freemasonry justify and be allowed to practice these abuses with impunity? It is a control mechanism for those that embark into these activities to be controlled. They are controlled because these practices are shameful.

I agree with this: and I have to tell you, there are those of us who preach the Gospel still, at every opportunity, only using words when necessary.

Thankfully, as I peruse the news worldwide there is a growing number, a major majority of peoples now awakening to these practices and they are no longer waiting for lawful restitution, which is controversial but necessary. No judicial prosecution for street butchery of paedophiles should be a United Nation Law Statute as far as I am concerned

I believe homosexuality is a practice of humanities rancid wretches. Send them to Africa, Russia, far East and see how they would be tolerated there:-)


I believe your opinion is based less on reason and more on anger, on rage. And I don't blame you for having an opinion like this, and I think that if I were in your shoes, I'd probably have the same opinion myself.

What's interesting is that there are other people, queer people, who feel the exact same way about extremists outside of the LGBTQ spectrum.

So I have to say this--if you take the words out and just leave the stream of energy, it looks all the same to me.

If the energy is all the same, and the energy is sustained by people trying to segregate based on difference, what good really does that energy serve except to divide and conquer?

Pax et bonum

[hermit]

I myself am quite shocked to see so much homophobia on this thread.

I'm looking at you amor: "I wish to point out that this homosexual behavior is not isolated but leads from one bad thing to the next."

and you Snoweagle: "I believe homosexuality is a practice of humanities rancid wretches. Send them to Africa, Russia, far East and see how they would be tolerated there:-)"

and you molly4us :"also engaging in these activities. Oh, icky, horror, so much pain."

I am seriously at a loss for words really, I'm looking out my window at this beautiful day and my brain is literally trying to be able to say what I want to say next as if I were about to address a small child who does not yet understand love or compassion.

Homosexuality does and cannot ever be correlated to leading from one bad thing to the next. Are you joking? Get real.

Rancid Wretches eh? Guess what bro, I was feeling really sorry for you and your story until that last sentence you threw in there. Don't try to candy coat this statement with: I have friends and family that are. Just the fact that you have to have a laundry list of all the gays you do know, as long as there is never a situation where you have to think about the 'rancid' activities they do in acts of love for each other. You suck. You should be sent to the coldest place on earth, jackass.

And Molly4us, ah, your too easy.

Where are the mods on this?

In 2002 I was walking home from work at 1:00 in the morning. It wasn't anything I'd ever not done before, it was just another night. Except a truck load of young men, and I mean a half ton truck full of young men, circled around the block a few times before I was attacked.

2018...and it's still happening. My boyfriend an I still get shouted at, usually by 20 something white men.

I'm really excited, happy, and proud that you posted this. I'm also going to ask that if the mods are watching to leave everything right where it is.

Because people need to see that this stuff still exists. In 2018.

And it exists here in ways that make me laugh. And cry.

Because the values that these views exhibit stem from bigger views that actually stem from...wait for it... very old Roman Catholic values.

*in best drag queen voice* EYE-RON-EEEEEEE ;D

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I don't approve of physical violence or harassment, and if someone were assaulting you just for being gay, I would stand up for your right to be in peace and tell them to go on somewhere.

Having said that, you should also understand that reading a bunch of homosexual stuff personally makes my stomach churn. I don't feel anger, I feel disgust. And most men who are actually straight have a similar experience, though we may usually be too polite to talk about it. It's not particularly pleasant.


SCIENCE: Straight Guys Really Don’t Like Dudes Kissing Dudes

For straight guys, seeing images of two men kissing creates the same physiological stress as pictures of rotting flesh and maggots, according to research published recently.

Scientists found that straight men felt disgust when shown slideshows of gay men kissing. Researchers said this reaction was similar to the disgust straight men experienced when shown images rotting flesh or maggots. That was even true for straight men who reported no prejudice against homosexuals.

The American Institute of Bisexuality, a non-profit charity that “focuses on outreach within the bisexual community,” funded the study. Researchers said their goal was to make science “more inclusive of LGBTQ identities and experiences.”

“We originally were interested in understanding the health effects of same-sex vs. mixed-sex public displays of affection for the couples in the relationship,” Dr. Karen L. Blair, a psychologist at St. Francis Xavier University who authored the research, told PsyPost.

Researchers measured levels of a digestive enzyme associated with stress and disgust. Enzyme levels in straight men who viewed pictures of gay men kissing were comparable to levels displayed when faced with images of rotting flesh and maggots.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/05/science-straight-guys-really-dont-like-dudes-kissing-dudes/

And this was a study carried out by a pro-LGBT group. So they can hardly be accused of being homophobic themselves. They're simply reporting the facts as they find them in this case.

And when you consider that most religious people are pretty conservative, and Catholic teachings (as well as the Bible itself) are pretty negative toward homosexual behavior, I don't think it's unreasonable for church-goers to ask that their priests/preachers at least follow their own traditions/scriptures. They are absolutely entitled to both their own opinions and their own ways of religious worship, without having something like that imposed upon them from within their own institutions.

There are so many churches in the US today, some of them (like the Lutherans) are already very openly gay-friendly and appoint gay priests, so people should know in advance what they're getting into with that. But the Catholic church is an international organization that is supposed to follow their own doctrine. Of course we all know that they do not, and have not for many decades, if ever.

As things stand though, Catholic doctrine has become so politicized and radicalized that I wouldn't be surprised if the church doesn't even survive the next decade or so. I am absolutely convinced it is fully rotten from the top down with very extremely abusive behavior towards children, all used to the practical end of political blackmail. The Vatican simply has no other way to exert leverage over people except through blackmail. It's a very old scheme.