Amelia Earhart Mystery : Does photo show she died a Japanese prisoner ?

[Cidersomerset]

The fate of Amelia has been speculated for 80 years , a new photo suggests that
she and her co pilot may have been rescued and detained ? Local legend says
this was the case but no official acknowledgement from the US or Japanese has
confirmed this and the presumption was/is officially they probably ditched/crashed
into the sea and died .

Yoichi Shimatsu tells Jeff Rense in # 2 that it was common knowledge that she
was covertly spying sensitive airfields and was tried and eventually executed and
this was covered up.

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These Are the Final Moments of Amelia Earhart on the Ground

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7unHEeJkKww

Published on 30 Jun 2017
In 1937, Amelia Earhart was about to embark on a record-setting flight around the
world. In her final moments, she took her last photograph and set off from a Burbank,
California airstrip, captured in recently recovered home movie footage.

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Amelia Earhart: Does photo show she died a Japanese prisoner?

A newly-discovered photo suggests legendary US pilot Amelia Earhart might have died
in Japanese custody - and not in a plane crash in the Pacific. If true, it would solve one
of aviation history's biggest mysteries. Earhart vanished during a 1937 flight over the
Pacific - and her disappearance has been a breeding ground for speculation ever since.
A photograph from the 1930s shows a figure that could be her, taken on the then-
Japanese Marshall Islands.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/54E4/production/_96823712_152ef491-2ec9-4996-8add-c9b010a32dba.jpg
The fate of Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan has long fascinated historians

read more...
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These magnified details of the new picture are alleged to show (from left), navigator
Fred Noonan, Earhart herself, and their plane

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40515754

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New clue may reveal answer to Amelia Earhart disappearance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjDhPBLKoHQ

Published on 5 Jul 2017

It was 80 years ago this week that Amelia Earhart disappeared in the south Pacific and
made headlines around the world. Chip Reid reports that there's a new clue in the
greatest mysteries in aviation history.

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Did Amelia Earhart Survive? Newly Released Photo Has The World Buzzing | NBC Nightly News

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Published on 5 Jul 2017
A newly discovered photograph suggests that Amelia Earhart, who vanished 80 years
ago on a round-the-world flight, may have survived a crash-landing near the Marshall
Islands.

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All the theories of Amelia Earhart's mystery disappearance

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/06/us/amelia-earhart-mystery-theories/index.html

[Cidersomerset]

Jeff & Dick Allgire, Yoichi Shimatsu - What Really Happened To Amelia Earhart!

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http://people.com/human-interest/does-this-photo-prove-amelia-earhart-survived-her-final-flight/

[Cidersomerset]

Rival Author thinks its absurd....

Expert Believes New Amelia Earhart Photo Is Not Her

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Published on 6 Jul 2017


A controversial photo said to show the legendary aviator Amelia Earhart is making
headlines around the world, but a leading expert now says that is not the missing
pilot. The photo is featured in a forthcoming History Channel documentary, 'Amelia
Earhart: The Lost Evidence', which airs Sunday. "This photo is absurd. The claims
being made about this photo are irresponsible," Mike Campbell, who is author of
'Amelia Earhart: The Truth At Last', told Inside Edition.

[Cardillac]

I just finished listening to the Rense interview; yes, I believe she was a dispensible pawn in a game of much larger scope that she and Noonan were completely unaware of;

but if she and Noonan had really been executed, why did the US Gov't not publicize this to incite more hatred against the Japanese to get more public opinion about warring with Japan?- this is what I don't understand;

other sources state Earhardt/Noonan were released, freighted back to the US and given new identities;

I don't know what to believe; but I think the Earhardt issue was just so HUGE (whatever it was) that the lid of censorship must still, after all these years, cover the pot;

use discretion with the History Channel; not everything they present is the truth-

be well all-

Larry

[Cidersomerset]

use discretion with the History Channel; not everything they present is the truth-

I have not looked into this before in any detail and like many of these mysteries
they get bigger in the telling, but there is often truth to them and the locals
often have knowledge that is ignored as hearsay.....


This is from a few years ago and is quite compelling from a vet who served
in Saipan. If the Japanese found her camera and developed it and there
were pictures of then secret military airfields at a time conflict may be
brewing between Japan and the west. They may well of been considered
spies and executed......

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War Vet Claims That Amelia Earhart was Executed in Saipan

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Published on 31 Jul 2013
WWII Veteran Art Crino claims that Amelia Earhart was captured and
executed in Saipan, which was under control by the Japanese since
WWI until it was recaptured by the United States in 1944.

One of the reasons that Crino believes in Earhart's demise derives
from his personal experience in Saipan during his time serving
during WWII. He also believes that Earhart may have been serving
as a spy for the United States, having a spy camera equipped on her plane.

[Cidersomerset]

Mixed accounts but a general theme that she was on Saipan , Its dated
2013 at the end of the vid...But the clips are mainly from the 1980's.

Eyewitnesses on Saipan Amelia Earhart

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Published 2013

This is an edited clip of the footage that Mike Harris and I shot while on Saipan.
Included are new eyewitnesses who claim they or their relatives saw Amelia
Earhart after she disappeared in 1937. There's more info and details on Earhart
On Saipan com, but this clip dovetails with the recent reports of finding pieces
of her plane on Mili Atoll. People may not like what these folks are saying - that
Amelia was arrested and incarcerated in prison, that she was buried on Saipan,
her body recovered, her plane and briefcase found, her plane was destroyed and
buried by US forces - but important to remember these are eyewitness accounts.
From US Marines, US war veterans, and people on Saipan who are amused by
people who show up without any knowledge of the island. Saipan was claimed
by Germany, sold to Spain, then became Japanese, and was part of Japan
territory until 1944. (It was then run by the CIA until 1963, and is now US
territory, so when you land at the airport it says "Welcome to the US." No
different than Puerto Rico. So when her plane was picked up from Mili Atoll by
the Japanese in 1937, according to these reports, it was taken to Japanese
territory, where their Naval Headquarters was located. (Much the way Pearl
Harbor was considered US territory, even though it was yet to be a state in 1941.)
She was incarcerated on Japanese territory, in a Japanese cell by the Japanese
authorities. Her briefcase was found by US Marine Robert Wallack, her plane was
found on Aslito airfield by US Marines in June of 44, and US Marine E. Julious
Nabers under command of Lewis Wallace, decoded the messages that it had
been found and was ordered to guard it. He says he guarded the plane on Aslito
for 24 hours then decoded messages the military was going to fly it, and eventually
destroy it. Other veterans (in this footage) saw it, and eventually watched as it was
destroyed under orders from the Navy Dept. The plane was buried on the runway,
which is now an international airfield. However, we have information as to where
that location is, and have gotten the permits to survey the airfield. We plan on
returning to do just that.

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This is the talk to go with the witness vid above......


Amelia Earhart on Saipan talk - "Beyond a Shadow of a Doubt"

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Published on 30 Mar 2013

Mike Harris, Rich Martini & Paul Cooper discuss their findings while on Saipan examining
the eyewitness accounts that Amelia Earhart had been incarcerated there after she
disappeared in 1937. Armed with 17 new eyewitness reports from locals that have never
been before recorded, and 6 US Marines who claim they saw her airplane, the Electra on
Saipan, a former President of the Chamber of Commerce of Saipan announces that he
believes "beyond a shadow of a doubt" she was there on Saipan and that her plane was
there as well. For more information please visit EarhartOnSaipan com

[Cidersomerset]

The Battle for Saipan was a violent bloody affair where the fanatical Japanese Garrison
fought nearly to the last man , and many civilians also got caught in the crossfire and
bombardments. The Island was an important part of the imperial defence and with its
loss the US were able to use its airfield to bomb the Japanese mainland. So in the
frantic panic before the invasion the killing of a few prisoners would be easy to
envisage especially as the mind set of the secret military police was fanatical and
they probably died in the oncoming slaughter of the overwhelming US fire power.

This documentary was made at the time and although has propaganda elements
in it is a good representation of the horrors of the campaign.

WWII in the PACIFIC | Fight for Saipan, Mariana Islands | 1944 | Documentary Film

Edit: ( This may not be the original vid posted as it timed out )
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Saipan

[Cidersomerset]

Conflicting theories from a decade ago....

Where's Amelia Earhart? | National Geographic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUR8r06EtVE

About National Geographic:
National Geographic is the world's premium destination for science, exploration, and adventure.
Through their world-class scientists, photographers, journalists, and filmmakers, Nat Geo gets
you closer to the stories that matter and past the edge of what's possible.

[BMJ]

Amelia Earhart Plane Found' 76 Year Old Mystery Solved

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Finding Amelia with Hard Facts and Sound Science

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Published on 11 Aug 2016

Powerpoint presentation given by TIGHAR Executive Director Ric Gillespie at The Collider in Asheville, NC on August 5, 2016

[Bill Ryan]

Here's the much-vaunted History Channel documentary, from last night:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgtEYPZYvks

[Foxie Loxie]

This video was blocked on copyright grounds...I'm sure it will be aired many times on the History Channel! :highfive:

[Bill Ryan]

This video was blocked on copyright grounds...I'm sure it will be aired many times on the History Channel! :highfive:
Now here:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Amelia_Earhart_2017.mp4

:thumbsup:

[Clear Light]

The Guardian (11 July) : Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/blogger-discredits-claim-amelia-earhart-was-taken-prisoner-by-japan)



Documentary claimed photo showed aviator on Japanese-held Marshall Islands in 1937, but image was found in book published two years earlier
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[The woman said to resemble pilot Amelia Earhart is seen sitting on the dock in the centre of the picture. Photograph: Reuters]


Claims made in a US documentary that the pioneering aviator Amelia Earhart crash-landed on the Marshall Islands in the Pacific Ocean and was taken prisoner by the Japanese appear to have been proved false by a photograph (http://dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/1223403/99) unearthed in a travel book.

The History Channel documentary, Amelia Earhart: The Lost Evidence, which aired in the US on Sunday, made the claim that the American and her navigator, Fred Noonan, ended up in Japanese custody based on a photograph discovered in the US national archives that purported to show them standing at a harbour on one of the islands.

The film said the image “may hold the key to solving one of history’s all-time greatest mysteries” and suggested it disproved the widely accepted theory that Earhart and Noonan disappeared over the western Pacific on 2 July 1937 near the end of their attempt at a history-making flight around the world.

But serious doubts now surround the film’s premise after a Tokyo-based blogger unearthed the same photograph in the archives of the National Diet Library, Japan’s national library.

The image was part of a Japanese-language travelogue about the South Seas (http://dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/1223403) that was published almost two years before Earhart disappeared. Page 113 states the book was published in Japanese-held Palau on 10 October 1935 (http://dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/1223403/113).

The caption beneath the image makes no mention of the identities of the people in the photograph. It describes maritime activity at the harbour on Jabor in the Jaluit atoll – the headquarters for Japan’s administration of the Marshall Islands between the first world war and its defeat in the second world war.

The caption notes that monthly races between schooners belonging to local tribal leaders and other vessels turned the port into a “bustling spectacle”.

Kota Yamano, a military history blogger (http://yamanekobunko.blog52.fc2.com/blog-entry-337.html) who unearthed the Japanese photograph, said it took him just 30 minutes to effectively debunk the documentary’s central claim.


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“I have never believed the theory that Earhart was captured by the Japanese military, so I decided to find out for myself,” Yamano told the Guardian. “I was sure that the same photo must be on record in Japan.”

Yamano ran an online search using the keyword “Jaluit atoll” and a decade-long timeframe starting in 1930.

“The photo was the 10th item that came up,” he said. “I was really happy when I saw it. I find it strange that the documentary makers didn’t confirm the date of the photograph or the publication in which it originally appeared. That’s the first thing they should have done.”

Yamano’s Twitter post (https://twitter.com/baron_yamaneko/status/884451686957301760) fuelled social media discussion of the possible cause of Earhart’s disappearance and criticism (https://twitter.com/BrianDunning/status/884454533300076544) of the History Channel documentary.

The photograph shows a woman with her back to the camera, whom the film suggests is Earhart, alongside a man – purportedly Noonan – whose face is visible, with other people standing on a dock on Jaluit atoll in the Marshall Islands.

Earhart and Noonan were last seen taking off in her twin-engine Lockheed Electra on 2 July 1937, from Papua New Guinea en route to Howland Island, about 2,500 miles away.

[The article continues ...]

[Bill Ryan]

The Guardian (11 July) : Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/blogger-discredits-claim-amelia-earhart-was-taken-prisoner-by-japan)



1) That's pretty interesting... but it has to be explained how come that ship in the background, towing the barge (which sure looks like it has a 38 ft long airplane on it) has definitively been identified as the Koshu.

2) Separately, I listened to the fascinating Jeff Rense interview here...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho1dSfia-b4

... and then watched the documentary, here.


http://avalonlibrary.net/Amelia_Earhart_2017.mp4

If anyone else has followed the same sequence, then go back and listen to the Rense interview again. It's very well worth it, I promise. :thumbsup:

The link between these two parts of my post is that it doesn't really matter at all if the photo shows Earhart and Noonan or not... it appears to be extremely compelling that the History Channel has the story correct, in my strong opinion, based on what I feel I know and understand.

[Clear Light]

The Guardian (11 July) : Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/blogger-discredits-claim-amelia-earhart-was-taken-prisoner-by-japan)



1) That's pretty interesting... but it has to be explained how come that ship in the background, towing the barge (which sure looks like it has a 38 ft long airplane on it) has definitively been identified as the Koshu.



Oh, not that I have any great interest in this case, nor am I attempting to presume to know the "truth of the matter", as it was only because I came across this Story yesterday in a newspaper (not the Guardian) and remembered seeing it mentioned here on the Avalon Forums that I posted what I did earlier today !

Now, just to add to the mix of "available information" (or evidence), in reading the English version of Kota Yamano's blog (The Lost Evidence Photo published 2 years before Amelia Earhart's disappearance (http://yamanekobunko.blog52.fc2.com/blog-entry-338.html)), it would seem that there is more than one Ship named "Koshu" eh ? ;)

Quote from the Blog :


So the photograph was taken at least two years before Amelia Earhart disappeared in 1937 and a person on the photo was not her

[Cidersomerset]

Amelia Earhart disappearance '99 percent' solved
Fox News

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Published on 7 Mar 2018
The 81-year-old mystery surrounding American aviator Amelia Earhart’s
disappearance has baffled sleuths for decades, but a U.S. forensic expert
has published new evidence in ‘Forensic Anthropology’ that bones discovered
on Nikumaroro Island may be hers.

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Amelia Earhart's remains may have been found decades ago
CBS News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfyERjbUIyA
Published on 8 Mar 2018
Amelia Earhart disappeared during an attempt to fly around the world in 1937. Her
whereabouts have remained a mystery, but new research from the University of
Tennessee reveals where the famous adventurer may have wound up. Reena Ninan has more.

https://www.seeker.com/earharts-final-resting-place-believed-found-1766067187.html

[Bill Ryan]

Amelia Earhart disappearance '99 percent' solved
Fox News

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That's the very well known TIGHAR story. For a broader perspective, including detailed testimony from the Marshall Islanders, this documentary is highly recommended:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Amelia_Earhart_2017.mp4

[Cidersomerset]

This is an update on post 16, Aviation curator Dorothy Cochrane disagrees
with both theories...

Amelia Earhart found?
Fox News

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Published on 12 Mar 2018
For more than 80-years the disappearance of Amelia Earhart has sparked
countless theories. Aviation curator Dorothy Cochrane joins 'The Story' to
share her revelations on one of our nation's greatest mysteries.

[Valerie Villars]

As soon as I saw the curator was from the Smithsonian, I had a hard time believing any thing she said.

[KiwiElf]

Have to say that to me, the photograph is unconvincing; for a start, the aircraft behind the boat isn't the one Amelia was flying - see post #6 (it was twin-engined, & clearly the one in the photo isn't. Also notice the tailplane; Amelia's airplane has two small vertical fins). The people circled really could be anyone? ;)

[Valerie Villars]

That was a really good documentary from the History Channel. I sure miss that part of t.v. Thanks Bill.

I'd like to add that after having watched that documentary, taking into account the experts and the eyewitness testimony, I believe that photo was of Amelia and her navigator and whoever debunked it was either lying about the date deliberately or believed it out of manipulated ignorance.

I believe she did die on that island.

[BMJ]

And to add more controversy or a definitive answer to the discussion about the photo claiming to show Earhart and Noonan on the dock at Jaluit Atoll in the Marshall Islands, see the article and links below.


Amelia Earhart mystery: Photo appears taken 2 years before pilot vanished

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"Kota Yamano, a Japanese military history blogger, was skeptical about the photo as well. Shortly after learning about it, he searched the term "Jaluit" in the National Diet Library and quickly found the photo in a 1935 book. The whole thing took about 30 minutes..."

"The book is shown in a digital photo in Japan's National Diet Library, the country's largest collection of books. The site says it is from Showa 10, the 10th year of the Showa emperor, also known as 1935." See the "Date of Publication" at the link below.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170712172536-amelia-earhart-photo-japan-exlarge-169.jpg

Link to the image in the Japan's National Diet Library: http://dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/1223403/99?itemId=info%3Andljp%2Fpid%2F1223403&contentNo=99

Link to the article: https://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/12/asia/amelia-earhart-photo-japan/index.html

[Bill Ryan]

Bumping this mystery-that-won't-go-away with an interesting new update.


https://explorersweb.com/sonar-image-could-be-amelia-earharts-missing-plane

Sonar Image could be Amelia Earhart’s Missing Plane

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A company specializing in underwater exploration believes they may have found Amelia Earhart’s missing plane.

Earhart, a pioneering aviator, went missing in 1937 while attempting to become the first woman to circumnavigate the Earth by plane. Earhart and navigator Fred Noonan disappeared over the central Pacific. The pair had aimed to land on tiny Howland Island where they needed to refuel. But they never arrived.

A three-month search

Between September and December last year, a company called Deep Sea Vision searched 5,000 square kilometers of the Pacific for Earhart’s Lockheed Model 10-E Electra plane. Using an autonomous underwater submersible equipped with sonar sensors, the company captured an image that company founder Tony Romeo seems sure is Earhart’s plane.

“You’d be hard-pressed to convince me it’s not the plane,” Romeo told The Washington Post.
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/01/30/amelia-earhart-plane-missing/)
The image (at the top of the page) shows something resting about three miles underwater somewhere within a 100-mile radius of Howland Island. The company has not released a precise location.

Squint and the object certainly appears plane-shaped, but confirming the find will require Deep Sea Vision to return and investigate the object, perhaps using a remotely operated vehicle (ROV).

https://s3.amazonaws.com/www.explorersweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/01034702/shutterstock_249572008.jpgAmelia Earhart in a Department of Commerce plane.

“They need to go back”

Romeo, a pilot and former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer, was in South Carolina real estate before he sold up to fund his search for Earhart’s plane. His fixation on finding this particular wreck could cloud his judgment. Experts certainly don’t sound as convinced.

“While it is possible that this could be a plane and maybe even Amelia’s plane, it is too premature to say that definitively. It could also be noise in the sonar data, something geologic, or some other plane,” underwater archaeologist Andrew Pietruszka explained to CNN.
(https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/30/travel/amelia-earhart-missing-plane-pacific-ocean-scn/index.html)
“It’s hard to say what it is,” Dorothy Cochrane, a curator at the National Air and Space Museum told The Washington Post. “They need to go back.”

Romeo hopes the company will return to the site within the next year. If he could find the “NR16020” certification printed on the underside of the missing Lockheed’s wing, he’d open a new chapter in the 85-year mystery.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

“You’d be hard-pressed to convince me it’s not the plane,”

That's a bold statement based on a single poor, low-resolution image -- unless they have others, and more data.

The seafloor is a veritable junk yard of planes and shipwrecks. This could be anything. And if you look closely at the profile of the supposed plane, it appears to have swept back wings. Earhart flew a Lockheed Electra 10-E (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Model_10_Electra), which did not, when she went missing in 1937. The Nazi's experimented with the swept back wing design, but they didn't really start to appear until the jet age.

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[ExomatrixTV]

Amelia Earhart | Long Lost Plane Found? | Aviator's Plane Missing Since 1937 | N18V:

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One of aviation's greatest mysteries could finally be solved. A deep-sea exploration company has announced the discovery of what could be the remains of Amelia Earhart's aircraft. American aviator Amelia Earhart and her navigator Fred Noonan disappeared over the Pacific Ocean in 1937 during their ambitious attempt to circumnavigate the globe.



Unveiling the Mystery | Amelia Earhart Lost Plane Found?

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