Does karma really exist?

[Pleiades]

Hello everyone :)

i have been thinking alot about this, since i have been through some bad things done by other people and one question goes to my mind, does karma really exists, does it happen to all people? The people that harmed us in some way good or bad, do they have an aftermath, do they suffer the consequences? Because i keep seeing people doing the same mistakes over and over and not caring about the damage that they do to other people, they simple don't care (unfortunately there are bad people in this world) and i don't see and end to it. Will they have the consequences in another lifetime? Thank you.

[neutronstar]

Yes, is the short answer. All karma must be balanced, good and bad. You can't have an abundance of either, although it is easier to acquire bad karma because it is about service to self instead of service to others. Much of the bad things that happen to people is about them paying back bad karma, because that is what we tend to build up when we begin our incarnating.

[Maunagarjana]

Yes, it exists. To me, karma is just cause and effect and inertia. Some who have a lot of negative karma appear to get away with their harmful actions for most of their life, because they can avoid negative repercussions of their actions if they are careful and clever, and those who are the worst ones are usually the most careful and most clever. In some cases, they hide behind secrecy, they hide beyond bodyguards and enforcers, they hide behind lawyers, they hide behind friends in high places. Whatever they can control, they will do that, because they are control freaks. But they can only do that for so long. They can't really escape karma in the long run. If you could see their other incarnations you wouldn't think that they got away with it.

[Andre]

In Eastern spiritual practice, karma yoga was the practice of avoiding new karma by ascribing God to every action, good or bad. In other words, if you cease performing actions from ego, you can avoid creating any new karma. I held a very limited view of the Law of Karma for decades; that every action requires an equal and opposite reaction and that the expression of karma (the reaction) returns us to a state of balance.

But times change and so has our understanding of the universe around and within us.

I now see karma as emotional energy that we deny and fail to express. Emotional energy is magnetic and if the emotion is not expressed and goes into a state of denial, it attracts that which resonates at the same frequency. It attracts its reflection or its mirror from out there in reality. Personal development in the West has adopted this perspective without really understanding the energetic dynamics behind it.

Our denials accumulate. Judgements play a big part in denying our real feelings. And so does guilt. Denials form when we brush aside our real feelings. And society today operates with very limited tolerance for emotional expression which further contributes to the staggering rate of denial that is prevalent in society today. Statements like, "get a grip", "you're losing control", "stop being a cry baby", "let it go", "don't be so emotional", "cool down" and so on all contribute to a culture of denial that dominates society and our consciousness. Pollution is a reflection of our collective denial and all the emotions residing in a state of denial in the collective sub-conscious. Terrorism is a reflection of our unwillingness to ever experience our own fears and terror. Crimes of passion occur when previously denied emotion is triggered to move in a state of denial. The elite's need for power and control is their unwillingness to feel anything at all. All this can be viewed as karma playing itself out, but there is a need to discern the energetics behind the mental definition of what we have come to call karma.

[enigma3]

It exists until one is fully awakened and one's burden of karma falls away or is burned off. All karma is the result of identifying with a personal self (a sticky attachment to a personal I). When a person's awareness identifies with all of space instead of a localized view, that person lives in the now and there is no longer a need to carry a personal story around. As the Tibetans would say, live fully but don't get attached.

[ghostrider]

I believe its the law of cause and effect, you reap what you sow, every one of us will live through the effects of our actions both positive and negative... That's my two cents...

[Hym]

The Path of Living conscientiously in the betterment of all is called Dharma. It is called the Path, the Way. Unconscious living, ignorant and selfish activity, harming yourself or others is called karma.
Karam...activity...Kaar...Creation....Creating.... Kaa...Creator....I understand the misuse of the word in it's manipulated context, but True Dharma, YOUR Dharma, your conscious activity, is Beneficial for all....There is no karma or recipricol, balancing, attached to it.

Karma, or Sin as religion would call it, is one of the great values, the great equalizers in the lives of almost all humans. It is not a belief, but it is built within the nature of almost all humans. As an example, even the most heartless of psycopaths will judge themselves as deserving recipients of any "karmic imprisonment" during the time of self-judgement at death,, the instantaneous seconds and the days long time of bardo. They will serve themselves the harsh "karmic" balance due in the next lifetime.

(Psycopathy is deeply dependent upon an understanding of cruelty and the intensity of suffering, a vivid series of memories revealed to themselves upon death. To forget that would to be a release of the debt of karma and psycopaths all own their deep and dirty deeds. They needn't be judged after dying, as no one can judge them as instensely as they do themselves with the memories they carry. That is the worst that Karma is measured to be.)

Westerners and easterners influenced by western, colonial, linguistic genocide always seem to complicate the meanings. If it has taken 40 or 50 years for the manipulators of language to convince westerners to lose the contextual truth of the word, then so be it. I understand the manipulation of it's original meaning.

To all of the adepts I know, karma is anything that attaches us to the constant manipulations of the reincarnation cycle of lives, deaths and endless rebirths, valuable life lessons forgotten, intentionally removed between incarnations. We never call a conscious action or a result of good deeds "Good Karma". I laughed when I first heard someone use the phrase "Good Karma" decades ago.

For westerners I would ask them "Are you driving your Car(Kaar) to the destination or is someone else?" "Are you Car-ving, Creating, out the life that you want, or is some imaginary being the sculptor of your life?"

However in the life here, overthinking about good and bad means you haven't looked at your life honestly, that you have not habitually given yourself time to look at your actions and the life influencing it. Thinking is shallow and meditating is unburdened, active perception. It also is a marker that those around you, no matter their personal or professional position, have not given you, or worked with you to have the time to do so. Slow down the activity, the driver, the car,,, and see, as only you can, whether you are living karmically or dharmically.

Remember that judgement at the time of death is rarely a singular activity, even as you judge yourself in your life review. It is entirely fictitious to think that the process of leaving the body is done alone. Only a few have been taught the depth of intervention by those beings and the machinery influencing the soul's consciousness after leaving the body behind. Karma and Dharma are different realities in the life beyond the body.

And don't worry about anyone judging you when you go, because you have been trained to judge yourself and accept whatever is offered....instead of the truth of it all and your inherent right to choose for yourself. After all it is your life, isn't it? Or is it? Just because it is most often a relief to leave the toils of life behind doesn't mean you have lost your consciousness and your inherent rights to move about with your own choices. Take that deep breath while you are living and do it often, whenever you think about it (talking to myself here, also) .

It is truly up to you to understand this while you are alive and to remove the guilt, the sin, the "karma" which severely limits your access to living, both when dead and alive.

[Clear Light]

Hello everyone :)

i have been thinking alot about this, since i have been through some bad things done by other people and one question goes to my mind, does karma really exists, does it happen to all people? The people that harmed us in some way good or bad, do they have an aftermath, do they suffer the consequences? Because i keep seeing people doing the same mistakes over and over and not caring about the damage that they do to other people, they simple don't care (unfortunately there are bad people in this world) and i don't see and end to it. Will they have the consequences in another lifetime? Thank you.

In answer to your question, I would say "Karma" only really makes sense within a Dharmic context (like Buddhism) and it is related (in a way) to the other Dharmic principles such as "no self", impermanence, emptiness and the "two truths" (Relative / Absolute) ... but generally speaking, it all revolves around the unquestioned assumption that apparently "I am a separate person" !!!

Now this may sound like a heavy burden to come to terms with, but the "good news" (so-to-say) is that your "true nature", the "Nature of Mind" [1] remains untouched, unaffected at all times, it can never be "damaged" / "improved" / "worsened" and all it takes, I suggest, is for the "slight turning around" of the direction of your "mind" to "look within" (at itself) instead of always "looking outwardly" at the apparent phenomenal world / universe ...

I'm probably not doing the topic the justice it deserves but unless "you" truly "take it to heart" the concept of "Karma" will remain just that, as an intellectual "idea", or yet one more "concept" to "think over" ... enough said eh ? ;)

[1] Your "already enlightened awareness" :sun:

[Lifebringer]

From what I understand, this is the last go around here for some. God simply doesn't want so many that are not "changed from within their hearts and minds. I think there's a limited amount of time for man to exist here, then the earth goes into a cleansing and is redone over good as new, if they don't blow it up first.:coffee::thumbsup: The Mayan spoke of Baktuns and a limited time in the school of earth to learn tolerance, love, peace and co=existance with nature and the life forms on the planet. This disciplined living of the LAWS keeps planet, life and air healthy, and restores the oils back in the planet by all the decaying bodies done in by cataclysm. At least that's what I heard. Karma is hitting people for deeds done to others is coming a lot faster to make people "learn from their harm or experience." Some are going through it and placing the blame on others because they don't know it's karma.some people just won't admit they are wrong in "anything." Ahhh, the know it all, karma's best buddy. LOL

[Spiral]

In Eastern spiritual practice, karma yoga was the practice of avoiding new karma by ascribing God to every action, good or bad. In other words, if you cease performing actions from ego, you can avoid creating any new karma. I held a very limited view of the Law of Karma for decades; that every action requires an equal and opposite reaction and that the expression of karma (the reaction) returns us to a state of balance.

But times change and so has our understanding of the universe around and within us.

I now see karma as emotional energy that we deny and fail to express. Emotional energy is magnetic and if the emotion is not expressed and goes into a state of denial, it attracts that which resonates at the same frequency. It attracts its reflection or its mirror from out there in reality. Personal development in the West has adopted this perspective without really understanding the energetic dynamics behind it.

Our denials accumulate. Judgements play a big part in denying our real feelings. And so does guilt. Denials form when we brush aside our real feelings. And society today operates with very limited tolerance for emotional expression which further contributes to the staggering rate of denial that is prevalent in society today. Statements like, "get a grip", "you're losing control", "stop being a cry baby", "let it go", "don't be so emotional", "cool down" and so on all contribute to a culture of denial that dominates society and our consciousness. Pollution is a reflection of our collective denial and all the emotions residing in a state of denial in the collective sub-conscious. Terrorism is a reflection of our unwillingness to ever experience our own fears and terror. Crimes of passion occur when previously denied emotion is triggered to move in a state of denial. The elite's need for power and control is their unwillingness to feel anything at all. All this can be viewed as karma playing itself out, but there is a need to discern the energetics behind the mental definition of what we have come to call karma.

I agree with the first half of this post, it explains why the criminal elite seem to side step "karma", as they are sociopaths they have no emotional response or feelings of guilt for the crimes they commit, and therefore no "payback".

Emotional energy is key to a lot of the stranger aspects of being human, and for some reason it goes largely untalked about, and unstudied...

[Wind]

Of course it does, otherwise the game of life would have no point. It is up to each individual to aknowledge the responsibility of their actions. Then again, there are many aspects to life which remain mysterious and somewhat unknown to us. It is comforting for me to know that in the end each and everyone of us will get exactly what they deserve although at times the world seems unjust and good people to seem to suffer more. Some seem to have more "easy" lives and meanwhile others can have horrible lives filled with suffering. Often all of that relates to to the choices of the soul, it's evolution and a divine plan which can be very hard to understand from the human viewpoint...

Once you have evolved enough in your path and have truly self-realized what you are and what you're not, reincarnation will become obsolete. Meanwhile, we all just keep on playing the game. Treat others with kindness, respect and love instead of acting out from the ego. The key to freedom can be found from within the heart.

[Sierra]

From what I understand, this is the last go around here for some. God simply doesn't want so many that are not "changed from within their hearts and minds. I think there's a limited amount of time for man to exist here, then the earth goes into a cleansing and is redone over good as new, if they don't blow it up first.:coffee::thumbsup: The Mayan spoke of Baktuns and a limited time in the school of earth to learn tolerance, love, peace and co=existance with nature and the life forms on the planet. This disciplined living of the LAWS keeps planet, life and air healthy, and restores the oils back in the planet by all the decaying bodies done in by cataclysm. At least that's what I heard. Karma is hitting people for deeds done to others is coming a lot faster to make people "learn from their harm or experience." Some are going through it and placing the blame on others because they don't know it's karma.some people just won't admit they are wrong in "anything." Ahhh, the know it all, karma's best buddy. LOL

The Hopis say the same thing. We are the last generation before humans are split to continue their incarnations with their like. Those who seek to do no harm move as a group, and the service-to-selves, haters, controllers etc. get to live with each other. Now that sounds like karma to me.

[white wizard]

Yes but you can resolve it in this lifetime if you know what you are doing and not all beings of the universe are bound by karma it's way to experience that you sign up for. There are beings on this planet who do not accumulate it, because they have different soul contracts but it's very rare for someone on this planet to not be involed in a karma cycle. Usually the beings not accumulating it have special missions here.

[AutumnW]

Yes, I think it exists but you have to be careful of the conclusions you draw from it. For example, Pleides, because you are being hurt by nasty people who simply don't care does NOT mean, necessarily, that your receiving payback for doing similar things in a former or other life. It might, but there is no certainty there.

This is where people get tripped up. There is no one to one causal relationship, between what we suffer here and what we did to 'deserve,' it in another life.

People who feel this way, have a punitive frame of mind, where they can end up withholding help from others because they don't want to 'interfere in their karma.' Thought there is something to be said for backing away from those who seem hell bent on self destruction, lest you become part of their collateral damage!

Compassion is the greatest part of the Karmic exercise. Withholding help, is withholding compassion, most often. Those who we help are partaking in the karma of 'feeling love' and possibly for the first time. That can FREE them. And giving it freely, can FREE us. And that is what it might be all about. I like to meld what I feel is the best of what Christ taught to the teachings of compassion, contained in Buddhist doctrine.

[CurEus]

I didn't put much stock into Karma until a few things forced me to reassess my position.

1 Eating babies and raping children by the elite is part of their reality.
2. They will do EVERYTHING in their power to prolong their mortal lives to AVOID the eternal karmic damnation they will eventually face

So....essentially I expect karma exists in this lifetime and others. It is an inescapable part of our reality.

[happyuk]

Karma is the cumulative effects of past actions, from this or previous lifetimes, both good and bad.

Karma is from the Sanskrit kri, to do. I think that a good understanding of the law of karma goes a long way to freeing individuals from a lot of resentment against God and man and blaming others in general.

Even though God made us in His image, no two people are alike; each has used his own free will to make something different of himself. This is why some people suffer for the slightest reason. Others become angry at the least provocation. Others eat and drink endlessly with no self-control. Did God make them that way? No. God must watch in amazement this mass of human beings, blaming Him because they have a headache or are in some kind of trouble. Too many people misinterpret the meaning of karma, adopting a fatalistic attitude, and do nothing to self-improve.

[Chester]

I bet this lady will soon be able to tell you -

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[Pleiades]

Yes but you can resolve it in this lifetime if you know what you are doing and not all beings of the universe are bound by karma it's way to experience that you sign up for. There are beings on this planet who do not accumulate it, because they have different soul contracts but it's very rare for someone on this planet to not be involed in a karma cycle. Usually the beings not accumulating it have special missions here.

Thank you for answering :) What do you mean by not all beings are bounded by karma? What do you mean by these beings having special missions? How do we get rid of karma?

[Michi]

Yes but you can resolve it in this lifetime if you know what you are doing and not all beings of the universe are bound by karma it's way to experience that you sign up for. There are beings on this planet who do not accumulate it, because they have different soul contracts but it's very rare for someone on this planet to not be involed in a karma cycle. Usually the beings not accumulating it have special missions here.

Thank you for answering :) What do you mean by not all beings are bounded by karma? What do you mean by these beings having special missions? How do we get rid of karma?

@ Pleiades
While I am not White Wizard, I dare to answer your question with referring to an article by Cameron Day at: http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2013/08/23/why-i-am-no-longer-a-light-worker/

Cheers, Michael

[Catsquotl]

It depends. Karma basically is the dynamics between a cause and an effect.
I'd like to think of it only in the very small. I stub my toe, pain comes into being.
As for Karma spanning lifetimes.. It may, but I don't believe it does.

I thing what the Buddha referred to in his teachings is when at the end of your life there is a longing left. That longing will become manifest in a life which results from that longing. That doesn't mean it is a future you, just that the intent that came with the longing originated with you.

If I were to kill someone, I would have a hard time living with that for a very long time. Hence I suffer from my karma.
If I weren't such an emotional sob and wouldn't think twice about killing someone. Then that particular karma would have no adverse effects what so ever. Well maybe jail time if I got caught.

Try to think of karma and reincarnation as separate concepts. they don't necessarily have anything to do with each other.

With Love
Eelco

[Michael Moewes]

Karma is equally simple and complex.
The easy part is that it exists and you're influencing it every microsecond.
The good thing about this is that you can put it to your favour in acting, thinking and speaking only positiv and with a good heart.
Now we come to the difficult part, where you're really screwed up.
Karma is nothing else than the balance of action and reaction.
Everything you do, either thought, act or speech has a direct influence on your life.
Sometimes when you get sick, have some pain, someone treats you bad. - this is old karma from a former life. If you use this experience in order to accept this karma with out fighting it,
It'll be purified and you're free of this one.
The longer it takes for your negative karma to rise, the harder it will be to get rid of it.
Some Karma is so strong, that you will loose your life right away or get a very serios illness.
The Buddha said. If you like to know which karma you have from your past lifes look at your actual live and sitiuation.
If you want to kow your future karma look at your acts.



Hello everyone :)

i have been thinking alot about this, since i have been through some bad things done by other people and one question goes to my mind, does karma really exists, does it happen to all people? The people that harmed us in some way good or bad, do they have an aftermath, do they suffer the consequences? Because i keep seeing people doing the same mistakes over and over and not caring about the damage that they do to other people, they simple don't care (unfortunately there are bad people in this world) and i don't see and end to it. Will they have the consequences in another lifetime? Thank you.


P.S.
Bad behaving people will look as nothing can happen to them, but due to their ignorance it will backfire very badly and strong. Just ignore them, forgive them and pray for them. Gives you a good future karma :inlove:

[Eram]

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Does Karma exist?



If you put your hand into a burning flame, your skin will start to blister.

If you water and nourish your plan every day with the right amount of skills, the plant will flourish.

If you train to be an athlete all day long, ... every day, you can excel in the discipline that you train for.

If you feel completely happy and feel like shouting it from the rooftops, the smile you that you have on your face will extend to all the faces that see your smile.

If you hate life and have done everything in your power to pull back from it, your friends will stop calling you.


Karma is simple the result of cause and effect, played out in a reality, with laws and settings that we have little knowledge about yet.


Many people associate karma with some sort of "pay back" to evil deeds, but it works both ways in reality.
The "pay back" is in fact the way that we learn by.
Suffering is our master teacher.
A lesson in a book is not enough.
We have to experience it for ourselves and suffer the consequences in order to really understand the lesson.

We can sow good reaping though.
An act of true kindness for instance.
Or an act of self sacrifice in order to for good (All parent get to know this principle all too well).

Some Karma is experienced rapidly.
Much Karma is experienced over the course of hundreds of lifetimes.

Karma is the law of cause and effect in action, in order for the soul to learn and grow.

[Michi]

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Suffering is our master teacher.
A lesson in a book is not enough.
We have to experience it for ourselves and suffer the consequences in order to really understand the lesson.

[/B]

BS - I second this!

Suffering and pain is a construct created to enslave beings!

Plus it has been implanted to man that this is a needed mechanism to learn and grow.

I really can't hear this anymore. Please study what is the real history of man.
One very good place to start at are the ebooks of PA member TrumanCash

So, please ...

[East Sun]

What if karma does not exist and was a fabrication of the 'religion' manipulators?
I've come to realize we need to seriously examine all religions as I no longer trust any thing they say.

Think about it and do not answer immediately. I'd be interested in anything you have to say.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Lots of opinions on the nature of karma.

For me, the biggest misconception is that karma rewards and punishes. Karma does not judge. It simply flows to rebalance. It is a natural balancing mechanism of the universe. Think of it like the ocean. If you take water away from the ocean, it flows to fill the space. If you add to the ocean, it moves to accomodate. It is that natural and also that indifferent.

Not the best metaphor, but I hope it makes sense. The good and bad judgement with punishment and reward reminds me of monotheism, which is perhaps why many westerners automatically think of it that way.

[Flash]

I can't agree more

One learns love through being loved, not through being battered.

Hardship, if through love, brings resilience and strenghtens the person. Too much of hardship, without love, hardens the person and makes her stiff (a common result of PTSD). Like a wrestler who trains constantly to strenghten the body, hardship can strenghten the spirit. Harship here means sweating for one's objectives, not necessarily being thrown into hell.

I have noticed that people who had no harship at all are often quite weak mentally and spiritually. However, people with no love shared are usually hardened. Love is essential in all endeaviours to remain balanced.





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Suffering is our master teacher.
A lesson in a book is not enough.
We have to experience it for ourselves and suffer the consequences in order to really understand the lesson.

[/B]

BS - I second this!

Suffering and pain is a construct created to enslave beings!

Plus it has been implanted to man that this is a needed mechanism to learn and grow.

I really can't hear this anymore. Please study what is the real history of man.
One very good place to start at are the ebooks of PA member TrumanCash

So, please ...

[PurpleLama]

I have come to think, not of karma and reincarnation, rather I think of things in terms of the endless being of Universe expressing itself in manifold ways. The reality one experiences is the other half of the one who experiences, and every moment that which is being experienced is attempting to communicate with that which is experiencing. If one accounts for the communication, one need not worry for good or bad karma, every action facilitates growth. Accounting for the evil elite taking advantage of the uninitiated, one can appreciate that what communication of which they may not be cognizant could be offering every moment an opportunity to flip their concepts of what is correct to something which may be more in alignment with the manner of Universe. Therefore, it would be the least developed, the most handicapped, which would choose a path of easy materiality.

Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven.

[syrwong]

My interpretation is this (from my understanding of Bashar),

In the beginning there is only you. In the end there is only you. That is why you are god. There is no difference before and after the creation. The others you see and experience are actually reflections of you, like through myriads of mirrors. Therefore, when you do good or bad things to others, the energy of your action has nowhere to go, but to come back or reflected upon yourself.

Karma gives a direct experience of the effects of an output of your conscious mind, in the form of emotional consequences. This creates a very effective way of learning through which the soul can advance.

[Michael Moewes]

It's funny how people try to escape their Karma by ignoring it. This has nothing to do with doctrine but with a healthy and logic mind.
And @devplan. you look psychopathic to me. writing in big dark red letters and the sound of your words bring me to this closure.

[Spiral]

I'm worried that if I say "No", I'll get karma for it :crazy_pilot:

[Iloveyou]

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Suffering is our master teacher.
A lesson in a book is not enough.
We have to experience it for ourselves and suffer the consequences in order to really understand the lesson.


It depends if you're talking about suffering as a consequence of bad decisions - which can be changed any moment in life, in the course of becoming wiser, more experienced, 'enlightened' - and can't be avoided at the current moment apparently, also seems to be quite helpful.

Or if you're talking about suffering as a fundamental principle or tool for personal growth. I guess you've meant the former?

[conk]

Karma is the future pulling you forward. All energies, intentions, thoughts, ideas of today send out a message to God, to the Universe on how to unfold tomorrow, and how we'll perceive it. Surrender now! You can't fight the Universe. ;)

[lunaflare]

Thanks for all the posts. It is a mighty topic.


Karma is the future pulling you forward. All energies, intentions, thoughts, ideas of today send out a message to God, to the Universe on how to unfold tomorrow, and how we'll perceive it. Surrender now! You can't fight the Universe. ;)

Then...can this also be seen as Fate?
As I see it, we are steered consciously, and more often unconsciously, in our lives.
Perhaps the objective is to develop an awareness that allows us to become conscious players in our life script.

I am reminded of the Wheel of Fortune card in a tarot deck; we are contained in a wheel which has its own momentum/trajectory. There are seasons, cycles and constant changes. Within this wheel, however, we create choice and experience.

[conk]

Thanks for all the posts. It is a mighty topic.


Karma is the future pulling you forward. All energies, intentions, thoughts, ideas of today send out a message to God, to the Universe on how to unfold tomorrow, and how we'll perceive it. Surrender now! You can't fight the Universe. ;)

Then...can this also be seen as Fate?
As I see it, we are steered consciously, and more often unconsciously, in our lives.
Perhaps the objective is to develop an awareness that allows us to become conscious players in our life script.

I am reminded of the Wheel of Fortune card in a tarot deck; we are contained in a wheel which has its own momentum/trajectory. There are seasons, cycles and constant changes. Within this wheel, however, we create choice and experience.

Indeed this is fate, God's plan. Anything up to this very moment is set in stone, fate. The future is malleable and can be influenced by intense focus and intention. Our intentions are not the only energy at work, however, so sometimes the other influences overcome our desire. We should always focus on what we want, actually be that as if it were already manifest. If no other energy conflicts with our desire, then we get what we pray for. Sometimes our desire is not in concert with the higher good. The way we act, the way we think, even the way we pretend or fantasize is our living prayer. (see my signature)

[Jay Freeman]

Yes, I think it exists but you have to be careful of the conclusions you draw from it. For example, Pleides, because you are being hurt by nasty people who simply don't care does NOT mean, necessarily, that your receiving payback for doing similar things in a former or other life. It might, but there is no certainty there.

This is where people get tripped up. There is no one to one causal relationship, between what we suffer here and what we did to 'deserve,' it in another life.

People who feel this way, have a punitive frame of mind, where they can end up withholding help from others because they don't want to 'interfere in their karma.' Thought there is something to be said for backing away from those who seem hell bent on self destruction, lest you become part of their collateral damage!

Compassion is the greatest part of the Karmic exercise. Withholding help, is withholding compassion, most often. Those who we help are partaking in the karma of 'feeling love' and possibly for the first time. That can FREE them. And giving it freely, can FREE us. And that is what it might be all about. I like to meld what I feel is the best of what Christ taught to the teachings of compassion, contained in Buddhist doctrine.

Although there were other good responses here, this one really nailed it as far as I am concerned. I am so tired of people insinuating that I brought on certain things that have happened in my life. That's like saying a girl asked to be raped or an innocent baby deserved to be born with autism. Nothing could be further from the truth. Also, what would be the point of cosmic payback from some former life that no one even remembers? That just does not make sense to me.

It has also occurred to me that if karma is indeed a reality, then unless I'm missing something, there is never any escaping it because as far as I know, there are no perfect people. So everyone works to pay off his karmic debt, but at the same time is collecting more that he has to come back again to work off again? That's like one step forward and two steps back, and it seems to me that would be a never-ending cycle with no escape. So the way I look at it is to simply do my best and not worry about what happens or doesn't happen after that. We are so easily distracted from simply living life!

[findingneo]

Hi Pleides, I have literally just joined Avalon. I have no doubt the answer is yes. I make that assessment from personal experience and having regressed others to past lives. I facilitate past life regressions, have been regressed myself and I have had spontaneous past life memories surface, relevant to this life. The regressions focus on what lessons are brought through to this life. The answers all revolve around Karma.When I moved overseas, a nearby location to the house I bought triggered a past life memory there.

Yes, it happens to all people. You may think you have gotten the sharp end of the stick this time around, but chances are, you will have been on the other end or that stick in one past life or more. You may have done that to that person who is doing it to you, and your lesson might be to see how your actions in another life feel from the receiving end. The main thing is, if you do get a past life regression, and remembered, you realize it is a cycle you did not create in this lifetime, but a result of a bunch of stuff you chose to learn in this life. Seems unfair but folk tend to breath a sigh of relief when they realize that. It is rather like being dropped into a Hunger Games scenario. They may seem polar opposites, but both demand you follow the program. There is a certain amount that is going to be programmed into that life, and then the interesting part is about how you deal with it. Just like The Hunger Games, that is what is unpredictable. Like you say, it is rather difficult to exit no matter what you do. I have no idea if that is possible, really.

You wonder what you did to deserve it, but quite frankly, it is all part of the program as far as I can see, and it makes it easier to swallow if you play by the rules, no matter how unfair they may seem. Also, if you imagine it this way. Today, your life begins when you wake up, and ends when you fall asleep. Each day previous is another life. Each day, each life, you do not remember the last. So imagine if you woke up this morning and you did not know there were any yesterdays, and someone mistreats you today. You wonder how you came to be in a situation for that to occur. You wonder what you did to deserve that. When you have a past life regression, you get to remember relevant "clips" of yesterdays that relate to today. Suddenly, you no longer feel victimized. You remember how you got to this point. You understand the role of the players in this life that were also present in those other lives. The stories continue on from one lifetime to another, like chapters in a book. You reverse roles, you change sexes, time periods, sometimes cultures, you work through the same issues, and you move onto another when the lesson, whatever that is for that life is learned, to the next lesson.

It is not so much about what happens to you, as to how you respond. If you can take the best lessons from an experience, and move on in the best, positive way you can, then you can move on to the next lesson. That does not mean you should be a doormat. Part of it might mean that you remove yourself from that situation and do what is best for you without harming another. It might mean standing up for your rights. Make sure you are not tempted to repeat the same experience if at all possible, although you may not get a choice in the matter, and try not to harbor negative feelings towards that person. Know they will get what they deserve in the future, some time. Focus on your future, not them, or you will be spending more time with them in the future than you need to. It is not meant to be a punishment as such (apparently), but a way of experiencing all there is to experience.

Although it is a little tough to follow, Cloud Atlas, the movie, is all about reincarnation. Note the same key players in each lifetimes playing different roles, and they progress as time passes. I can't say I am overly fond of the rules of engagement, and I do think about who might be at the control panel, but it is what it is. This is not the generic version of the reason we have karma. Most regression facilitators I think, would say it is the divine plan to help us grow and return to source. I simply think there is more to it than that, but my thoughts diverge a bit from the norm. Each person looks at the same thing from their own perspective. From their own angle. Mine is just my perspective. It does not mean it is what really is. Not sure anyone knows what really is, we can just speculate.

Hope that helps Pleides.

[lunaflare]

Welcome findingneo.

I found your entire post insightful and wise.
Especially resonated with this...

It is not so much about what happens to you, as to how you respond. If you can take the best lessons from an experience, and move on in the best, positive way you can, then you can move on to the next lesson. That does not mean you should be a doormat. Part of it might mean that you remove yourself from that situation and do what is best for you without harming another.

In future can you please arrange your thoughts into paragraphs so your post is easier to read?

Many thanks...

[findingneo]

Thanks lunaflare. Point noted. Will do. (Paragraphs now inserted. :)

[Lifebringer]

Yep. Just went to sleep on that with my daughter. She's in from TX, anyway the 1st born tell you what to do stuff" is rampant in her even at my age. Regardless, she's doubting my hubby of 17 years fedelity and gender, which is p0issing me off, because i as a domestic violence survivor DON'T WANT A THUG mentality in my life to keep the peace. My husband was the last in the home born, and 3 women and one brother raised him. Now, here's the "karma:. She just got married and found out her hubby who's caucasian, dabbles in that way. I who have had to hear this since 2004, said maybe it's karma for thinking as you do about my husband. She blew a cog, but she's okay. I've been trying to wake her up for a minute now. She popped up without calling know how she feels about our relationship, and after a few drinks, brought it up again, and I just said: "
well, time to go to bed to my husband and left her outside to talk to no. 2 child/Son. She's always been jealous of him and called him a Momma's boy. she's always been a bully and I told her. She pushes until someone stops her or just vacates altogether. I love my grandchildren (4) but this gets on my nerves and should be a small wonder to her, as to why i DON'T visit her in TX. Last time they had me at their house, a mother daughter help me decorate get to know each other again after 10 years. Ha! I felt like a hostage for 2 weeks unable to leave when she started her drama sessions. This time, I just said my goodnite, and went to bed.
PS "we are in end of days, karma will hit them within a week.:bigsmile:

[Ivysunday]

Thanks for asking, giving me chance to think about it again.
I believe Karma exists. There are so many examples about this, peoples see the aftermath this life or next life. The bad people you see now, maybe a good person last life and get revenge to those who hurted him last life. All good or bad changes depends on our conscience.
To know more about this, I think we need to know who we are, why we are here, what is our purpose of life. What is Life ? What kind of lives should we live?

[Mister ET]

Everyone’s karma is self-imposed. But the idea of karma does not carry the idea of judgement with it. Karma is simply the continuing and the balancing of energies that you have experienced, and you wish a polarity energy experience to balance it with, so that you can create a blending of understanding of, quote/unquote, both sides of an issue, so the speak. Karma is not a judgmental thing, it is the recognition of a desire to form a polarity blending. Experience one thing, experience the opposite.

For example: let us say, an individual in one life chooses to be a murderer, now in the so-misnamed "next life", if they wish to experience the polarity balancing of that idea, that does not necessarily mean they have to be murdered. It can mean that they may be able to assist someone who may have had someone that they know who is murdered, so they will be able... or have someone they know murdered, so they will be able to experience the idea of the feelings that they also created when they murdered someone, and the individuals that were related to that event. It does not necessarily mean that it exactly has to be the polar opposite experience to simple
gain from the understanding of the polarity energy.

[findingneo]

I have regressed quite a few folk to their past lives, and I have been regressed a dozen or so times, and it is a form of judgement. The "next life" does not have to be in sequence, it can just be a "next life" that relates to the last one visited for a particular reason. Although karma is "self imposed" I see it more these days like "The Hunger Games", "May the odds be ever in your favor", but just like in the movie, they ain't. It is just like being dropped in the deep end, and at a disadvantage.

Still, if you play the game as it is meant to be played, it can be very beneficial to working out current day problems and questions.

I started out with the generic understanding of it too. After a while of doing it, if you really observe, you may start to see a different perspective from the one we have been taught.

But, like I said, it is still beneficial having a regression, to work through a specific part of your karma.

[Rich]

I think Karma is the affects of our believes, we have to experience them
as long as we believe in them, here ACIM explains it quite eloquently:

Ideas leave not their source, and their effects but seem to be apart from them.
Ideas are of the mind. What is projected out, and seems to be external to the mind, is not outside at all,
but an effect of what is in, and has not left its source.