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Callista
23rd July 2017, 04:49
Just found this interesting article from James Clarkson http://jamesclarksonufo.com/articles-and-commentary/science-has-left-the-building-the-historic-mufon-2017-symposium-and-how-the-show-must-go-on

SCIENCE HAS LEFT THE BUILDING – THE HISTORIC MUFON 2017 SYMPOSIUM AND HOW THE SHOW MUST GO ON
Posted on: July 22nd, 2017
by James Clarkson



Science has left the building – The Historic MUFON 2017 Symposium and How the Show Must Go On

This morning I opened my computer and immediately took a powerful two punch combination on the jaw. Someone I respect highly in the field of UFO Investigation was praising the victorious opening of the 2017 MUFON Symposium where Corey Goode and his secret career in the Space Army is the major attraction. Ticket sales and attendance are stellar; stories that are wildly sensational with no supporting evidence are the flavor of the day. Hearing this researcher praise the “historic” 2017 MUFON Symposium, I wondered what kind of Jim Jones Kool-Aid they were serving in Las Vegas. How this praise of the Corey Goode 2017 MUFON Honorarium is reconciled with the now cliché mission statement of MUFON is the subject of this article: MUFON – The scientific investigation of UFOs for the benefit of humanity. Requiescat in pace.

The punch that knocked me out of my chair and on to the floor was when I opened my e-mail. I received an announcement from Robert Powell, MUFON Director of Scientific Research – He resigned and is leaving MUFON right before this year’s MUFON Symposium began. Here is a quote from the MUFON website about some of the major work he has accomplished for MUFON and the field of Ufology:

Robert Powell joined MUFON in 2006 and has been the Director of Research at MUFON since 2007. He helped establish and develop MUFON’s Science Review Board and is its current leader. He is a Texas state section director and an active Field Investigator in the state of Texas having completed over 120 investigations and is a MUFON STAR Team member.

His background also includes 28 years of engineering management work in the semi-conductor industry and managing a state-of-the-art chemistry laboratory and managing a Research and Development group that worked on nanotechnology using atomic force microscopes, near-field optical microscopy, and other techniques. His departure signals that the last dissenting voice has left MUFON management. He has been a voice of reason and his integrity as a scientist was holding back MUFON leadership from its push to make MUFON into a million dollar enterprise.

His resignation is a statement of protest about the speaker selection of the current Symposium. After communicating with him today and in the light of the departure of Rich Hoffman who was a member of MUFON since its beginning in 1969, it is very clear that these are “historical” times for MUFON and Ufology. Powell found himself alone trying to persuade Jan Harzan and the Board not to choose the Secret Space Program as the theme of the 2017 Symposium. Rich Hoffman before he quit felt himself alone and losing the battle to help State Directors and Field Investigators.

If you believe as I do, that for many years MUFON had a proud place in the field of UFO Investigation, then the Corey Goode MUFON 2017 Symposium is historical in the same sense that history was made when the Titanic hit the iceberg on that fateful night on April 15, 1912. There will be survivors in the water and some may be rescued, but the mighty ship will sail no more. It may take a while to sink, but as a serious investigative organization, I don’t see how they will convince anyone but themselves that MUFON is reputable. As a UFO entertainment company – it may do very well thanks to unprovable claims like those of Corey Goode, Jaime Maussan, and others.

But let’s don’t confuse the issues. The 2017 MUFON Symposium was held in a beautiful venue outside of Las Vegas. There are many very dedicated people in MUFON and I know they work diligently on reported UFOs, and once a year they get to meet, completely at their own expense with no discounts for anybody. It is very difficult to attend such an event for much less than about $2,000 if you live any distance away. For many dedicated people in MUFON that cost is out of their reach. But the flow of money, energy, and resources to MUFON Headquarters is a one-way street. The monetary, business side of MUFON is the dark side.

In fairness, the economic argument is that a large national organization cannot continue unless it has an experienced corporate manager like Jan Harzan. And just like so many corporations across the world that pay high salaries and dividends to those at the top, their compensation becomes the primary driving issue behind all decision-making. Infrastructure improvement in the form of a faster, modern server for the MUFON Case Management System, some investment in the cost of major investigations, perhaps a discount incentive for State Directors who donate hundreds of hours continually – these are issues that are paid lip service, but they are never realized. Like so many corporations the original vision of their founders is lost in the necessities of the marketplace and the supreme commandment that revenue must be increased at all costs. The public is fickle and shallow. They must be continually titillated or they lose interest. This is a sad reality.

Perhaps it is not possible for a large-scale UFO investigative organization to exist any longer if it maintains rigorous research standards and investigative integrity. Pointing out how implausible Corey Goode’s Time Travel Resume is, simply isn’t any fun. The public wants whatever is sensational, not what is objectively true. Robert Powell’s departure from MUFON is very much like the departure of the last real scientist from Trump’s cabinet. Once rid of all that pesky “science stuff,” then the Hollow Earth and the Secret Space Armada will help sell tickets for many years to come. At least this way what is important will continue – the revenue stream to MUFON headquarters.

Not long after Jan Harzan became the MUFON CEO in 2013 he hired a business consulting firm. All the State Directors completed a lengthy written questionnaire about their MUFON state organizations. Six directors were interviewed at length by telephone and I was one of them. The questions were not about problems recruiting investigators, coping with the costs of renting venues for meetings, an antiquated computer system or burdensome reporting forms. Instead the questions always came back to one theme: How much revenue do you get from your MUFON organization and how much can you donate to headquarters?

Two things come to mind when I think about the Corey Goode phenomena: the first is a delightful book I read to my children by Dr. Suess titled The Big Brag. To succeed in telling a whopper you just must outdo all the other liars. The second is an anecdote from my police career. We were called to a disorder in a local nightclub at closing. We were told that a dangerously out of control Vietnam Vet was behind the bar and he was threatening to kill anyone who went back there. The employees were fearful. We asked if anyone knew his name and the name Bob Richards was given, a well-known local belligerent drunk.

We called out his name. He answered loudly from behind the bar and then began threatening to kill any of us who approached him because he claimed to be ex-Special Forces from Vietnam. One of the officers yelled out, “If you’re Bob Richards from southside, wouldn’t you have been about 12 years old when the Vietnam War happened?” There was a long silence and moments later we were leading Bob Richards away in handcuffs without resistance. The point: To be important, he needed people to believe his story. It worked as long as no one could prove that it was untrue. The story is so much more effective if you can’t prove it one way or the other. And Corey Goode has created a Big Brag that no one can challenge, more especially now that he has been honored by MUFON. The details he provides are delightfully derivative from numerous Contactee testimonies over many years. PT Barnum would love Mr. Goode.

Goode claims to have had a 20-year career with the Secret Space program and because of time travel, in our timeline he was only gone for a moment. No one can ever prove or disprove anything he claims. His only fear is the competition like Jaime Maussan and the Peruvian Plaster of Paris Alien Mummy. If you believe Goode’s claims without question, I can make you a great deal on the Space Needle in Seattle, which is a camouflaged galactic star cruiser parked on its tower for emergency deployment. Presenters like Goode will help sell Symposium tickets for years to come; their credibility will never be damaged by something annoying, like evidence.

My own experience with the MUFON Special Assignments Team (SAT) taught me the same lesson repeatedly: if your investigation does not endorse the spectacular claims of any witness whose story is of commercial interest to Jan Harzan, then your conclusions will be ignored by management. The only criteria for being given the stage in MUFON is whether or the story has enough “sizzle to sell.”

The Special Assignments Team (SAT) was asked in 2015 to investigate “part” of a very dubious UFO Crash case submitted by Paola Harris. Who ever heard of partially investigating a UFO report, especially when the key piece of evidence is a cast aluminum windmill pump part that is being presented as an artifact stolen from the interior of a crashed UFO in 1945? The SAT found critical investigative failures. She claimed the site was deliberately planted with noxious weeds that were genetically modified by the Government to deter UFO researchers from exploring the alleged crash site, and then on Harris’ own YouTube videos, we see the same group walking through the weeds wearing shorts. Apparently, they no longer needed to wear the full body isolation suits that look so “scientific” on camera. Frank Kimbler, who is a scientific researcher from Roswell, pointed out that the claims of Harris’ elderly witness were not supported by the evidence. The SAT agreed. But such a finding doesn’t sell Symposium tickets. And the result? We got to watch Harris be given special status and an award for investigative excellence at the 2016 Symposium. This is one example of many.

Scientific research and investigative integrity are still attempted by many state directors and field investigators, but those qualities are irrelevant to management decision-making. They are the loyal crew who haven’t yet realized their ship is no longer seaworthy. The departure of Robert Powell signals the end of an era when MUFON aspired to seriously investigate the UFO Mystery. Now it is all for show. Keep the lights low and the circus noisy, and the show will continue.

With Rich Hoffman and Robert Powell gone, Science, Reason and Investigative Integrity have left the building for the good of increased revenue. JZ Knight aka Ramtha with all her wealth and power is now guiding the MUFON Inner Circle; nothing stands in the way of MUFON becoming the greatest UFO Show on Earth.

uzn
23rd July 2017, 05:49
Thats what a timetravelling and ageregressed seal has to say about Coreys Claims:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Z7Ds_yv8o

7alon
23rd July 2017, 06:07
Man I can't even read these articles, I thank you anyway. I can only read so far before I start feeling too annoyed to go any further. :frusty:

The whole Corey Goode thing is frustrating, because it needs to be addressed by the community (not just Avalon); but at the same time, it draws people's attention away from a lot of other topics, as time is used to battle the disinfo!

EFO
23rd July 2017, 08:39
The N(ew)MUFON also should invite below character for a nice and wonderful duet with Corey Goode for the same conference.
Ka-ching!

https://i2.wp.com/earthmysterynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Tom-DeLonge-from-Blink-182-to-the-worlds-leading-UFO-hunter-.jpg?resize=690%2C450

Perdido
23rd July 2017, 08:49
“Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.”
 
~  Eric Hoffer

Milo
23rd July 2017, 09:19
MUFON has lost all credibility.

Not a single serious UFO researcher would take them seriously anymore.

Seems like the intelligence services had their wish come true.

Harley
23rd July 2017, 10:23
Hi All,

James Clarkson has now published a second letter on his Blog in which he has announced his complete resignation from Mufon.

WITH REGRET – WHY I MUST LEAVE MUFON COMPLETELY (http://jamesclarksonufo.com/ufo-news/with-regret-why-i-must-leave-mufon-completely)

In this article he says:



To fully understand my position, I would ask that the reader should study two web articles and then return to this letter:

1. http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2017/06/mufon-racism-and-dodging-questions.html

2. http://www.alternet.org/belief/ramtha-new-age-cult-leader-unleashes-drunken-racist-homophobic-rants-large-following

I have just read all of the articles. They are quite lengthy, but I promise you that it is well worth it.

MUFON has "become an income-generating entertainment company".

Harley

p.s. I have known [of] JZ Knight for many years. Her "school" is not far from me but I've always kept myself far away. She is a very 'powerful' person (if you know what I mean).

Harley
23rd July 2017, 10:32
MUFON has lost all credibility.

Not a single serious UFO researcher would take them seriously anymore.

Seems like the intelligence services had their wish come true.

MUFON has an "INNER CIRCLE" that apparently most of it's members don't even know about.

I doubt they'll have much credibility left at all once this gets out.

Read my previous post for full information.

Kryztian
23rd July 2017, 10:42
Also on the guest list for this year's MUFON is ufologist Richard Dolan, one of the most respected figures in the field, who has already been criticizing Corey and others, and whose criticism is quite comprehensive. I am sure he will make an airtight argument of why Corey's claims are riddled with contradictions and illogical fantasy. Dolan spoke yesterday (Saturday) and today he is on a special panel with Corey and some of the other "whistle-blowers" who are reveling in the cash and fame from their newfound celebrity status, unlike the real whistle blowers they compare themselves to (Assange, Manning, Snowden, Binney, etc.) who find themselves in prison or in exile. Dolan has not been hesitant to shame MUFON for its bad behavior in the past, I assume he won't be afraid to do it now. Looking forward to hearing reports of his performance at this event.

Harley
23rd July 2017, 10:42
Hi Bill,

Would you mind contacting Richard Dolan to make sure he has received this info?

We'd love to hear his thought on this, and also his thoughts on the Symposium.

Thanks!

Harley

Spiral
23rd July 2017, 10:45
If that is UFOs kicked into the tall grass, where does that leave us ?

What have we moved onto ontologically speaking ?

Is it that some kind of current that has held the populace spellbound & produced all kind of wonders has ended ?

Harley
23rd July 2017, 11:00
Personally Spiral, I believe that this is all engineered as part of the bigger plan moving forward towards 2030.

Before not too long from now ufology just may not matter anymore, if you get what I'm alluding to.

We'll see.

The Moss Trooper
23rd July 2017, 11:12
Spiral



If that is UFOs kicked into the tall grass, where does that leave us ?

What have we moved onto ontologically speaking ?

Is it that some kind of current that has held the populace spellbound & produced all kind of wonders has ended ?

It changes nothing, nada. In fact it makes the path a bit more illuminated, MUFON has just erected a big warning sign, viewable to all who wish to see, that says: 'there is nothing to see here..... move along'. Their integrity is shredded, just side-step and proceed accordingly.

And I am minded to not forget that Project Blue-Beam may still have its part to play.

Bill Ryan
23rd July 2017, 12:22
Hi Bill,

Would you mind contacting Richard Dolan to make sure he has received this info?

We'd love to hear his thought on this, and also his thoughts on the Symposium.

Thanks!

Harley

I'll be in touch with Richard after the conference, for sure... and a follow-up on-record conversation with him will be a lot of fun. :Party: Yes, he's been sent the two articles, but there'd be little doubt that he already knows all about this... MUFON will be buzzing.

Richard is on Coast to Coast AM tonight with George Knapp (the first two hours) — can anyone record the show??

Rawhide68
23rd July 2017, 14:00
Thanks for the tip Bill.

For coast to coast I usually go to
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHzWqM_Xm-EgRfwt2cbBAHQ/videos

Shadowself
23rd July 2017, 14:30
Well...MUFON is down the tubes....what next? Purple people eaters?

Shadowself
23rd July 2017, 15:05
money money money!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXE_n2q08Yw

For an $85.00 fee you to can hear the secrets of the universe and SSP! After MUFON conference with the one and only Michael Salla!

http://events.eventzilla.net/e/antarcticas-hidden-history-and-the-evolution-of-secret-space-programs-2138885602

http://i63.tinypic.com/2eft7ut.jpg

Justplain
23rd July 2017, 15:45
I thought Mufon had been taken over by Bigelow Aerospace:

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/bigelows_aerospace_and_saucer_emporium

At one time, the military was refering all ufo sightings to mufon. What i suspect is that mufon has been abandoned by both bigelow (who claimed he knows aliens are visiting Earth on a recent sixty minutes edition) and the military have abandoned mufon. I stopped following mufon when bigelow got involved, figuring corporate involvement would suppress/hide any legitimate investigations.

If there is an inner circle benefiting from the cash flow of fairy tale symposiums, then its best they go get a disney contract and leave serious ufo investigations for adults.

wnlight
23rd July 2017, 16:54
I wrote MUFON a complaint about their upcoming symposium July 6th.
Today I unsubscribed MUFON telling them that "The content is no longer relevant to me"

Ernie Nemeth
23rd July 2017, 18:03
I have watched this dynamic play out countless times in my life. From social groups to business liaisons, from family interactions to government ideology. It happens every time. I have yet to see it not happen. Even here at Avalon.

An idea is embraced by a group. The idea attracts more people. The idea is modified by the larger group, whether willfully or otherwise. The original idea is diluted. The group polarises. The opposing factions splinter the group. The group disbands and adapt various modified versions of the original idea. The original idea is abandoned entirely.

This 'idea' can be anything held in common by an association of individuals. Facebook is an idea, modified many times. Microsoft is an idea, that had to be divested of its huge monopoly. The idea of family is also continually re-invented to uphold certain beliefs of key members to the detriment of other members. Even ideologically divergent political parties can find common ground to defeat a mutually agreed threat to both (conservative parties in Canada love this trick).

Whether a yoga class or a work project, the central idea often morphs into the agenda of a few at the expense of the many.

It seems to be the way with those who wish to achieve their agendas, whether petty or grand or grandiose.

It is the idea that must be sufficiently expansive to include the true motive of the group in relation to the central core of the idea. If it is about family then family is its core issue not the preferred inclinations of select members. If it is about attaining a goal in business then it is the goal that is important not the whims of any individual involved. And so on.

If it is a group dedicated to the proof that UFOs exist, then it is the proof that is the core idea, not theatrics, not wishful thinking, not unsubstantiated claims of contact, not clever stories with plausible back-end dis-claimers.

I have yet to see a group that has not been attacked by the selfish, ego-driven obsessions of a few members who must be heard and must be seen and must continually be the center of every topic and discussion.

These same individuals are often the ones who never back down, never change their minds, and consider themselves always right.

It is also these same few select individuals who do so well in this society.

They do so well because mankind is a social animal. The vast majority merely follow the loudest, most insistent voice. The masses fall in love with those that stand out, stand up, do something crazy. Any head that pops up above the level of mediocrity, in any fashion, has the potential for mass followings.

The masses do not discriminate either. They can love a despot as easily as a saint.

So we see another organization reduced to its lowest common denominator, catering to sensationalism, a mass favorite, and dispensing with provable facts, of secondary importance to the masses anyway.

section9
23rd July 2017, 18:32
“Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.”
 
~  Eric Hoffer

This.

The Richard Doty Crowd over at the Deep State have won yet another victory.

Chester
23rd July 2017, 18:38
Why wouldn't the folks who have integrity just leave MUFON en masse and start a legitimate research community?

I think the honest answer may say quite a bit about why the 'bad guys' sometimes win... even if the victories are temporary... just like the occasional victories of 'the good guys.'

Almost all of us, to varying degrees, wish to support our families and ourselves and do so a bit more comfortably than not. In addition, (and in speaking strictly for myself), I have found that it is wise to have a needs list that is as lean as possible and to place all desires, wants, creature comforts that are not needs in another basket where I am willing to sacrifice all of those things if I find myself having to draw a line on what I do to acquire these non-essentials. Note I am 60 years old and can honestly say I finally grew into this operational protocol in the last five or so years.

Still... if MUFON loses good people in a drip drip drip fashion, I doubt that will make any difference to the survival of the organization albeit transformed into entertaining fakery. In addition, if one by one, the folks who have left MUFON finally get together and attempt to create something new, to my thinking it will be harder and harder to succeed.

Maybe I should keep these thoughts to myself.

Kristin
23rd July 2017, 18:54
Hi Bill,

Would you mind contacting Richard Dolan to make sure he has received this info?

We'd love to hear his thought on this, and also his thoughts on the Symposium.

Thanks!

Harley

...and so we shall. Richard will be doing a follow up interview with Bill as soon as he is able.

Caliban
23rd July 2017, 23:41
I have watched this dynamic play out countless times in my life. From social groups to business liaisons, from family interactions to government ideology. It happens every time. I have yet to see it not happen. Even here at Avalon.

An idea is embraced by a group. The idea attracts more people. The idea is modified by the larger group, whether willfully or otherwise. The original idea is diluted. The group polarises. The opposing factions splinter the group. The group disbands and adapt various modified versions of the original idea. The original idea is abandoned entirely.

This 'idea' can be anything held in common by an association of individuals. Facebook is an idea, modified many times. Microsoft is an idea, that had to be divested of its huge monopoly. The idea of family is also continually re-invented to uphold certain beliefs of key members to the detriment of other members. Even ideologically divergent political parties can find common ground to defeat a mutually agreed threat to both (conservative parties in Canada love this trick).

Whether a yoga class or a work project, the central idea often morphs into the agenda of a few at the expense of the many.

It seems to be the way with those who wish to achieve their agendas, whether petty or grand or grandiose.

It is the idea that must be sufficiently expansive to include the true motive of the group in relation to the central core of the idea. If it is about family then family is its core issue not the preferred inclinations of select members. If it is about attaining a goal in business then it is the goal that is important not the whims of any individual involved. And so on.

If it is a group dedicated to the proof that UFOs exist, then it is the proof that is the core idea, not theatrics, not wishful thinking, not unsubstantiated claims of contact, not clever stories with plausible back-end dis-claimers.

I have yet to see a group that has not been attacked by the selfish, ego-driven obsessions of a few members who must be heard and must be seen and must continually be the center of every topic and discussion.

These same individuals are often the ones who never back down, never change their minds, and consider themselves always right.

It is also these same few select individuals who do so well in this society.

They do so well because mankind is a social animal. The vast majority merely follow the loudest, most insistent voice. The masses fall in love with those that stand out, stand up, do something crazy. Any head that pops up above the level of mediocrity, in any fashion, has the potential for mass followings.

The masses do not discriminate either. They can love a despot as easily as a saint.

So we see another organization reduced to its lowest common denominator, catering to sensationalism, a mass favorite, and dispensing with provable facts, of secondary importance to the masses anyway.

That's a brilliant analysis. You pretty much covered all the bases. This is why it's best to keep groups small and don't just let in any dog who barks loud enough; Avalon itself has a little screening process. But even small groups, like rock bands for example, splinter apart when someone loud enough, powerful enough and often "charismatic" enough, pulls the energy towards his/her desires.

One thing in there I'd disagree with: Any head that pops up above the level of mediocrity, in any fashion, has the potential for mass followings.
In fact, I think it's just that level of Mediocrity that is "popping up." Someone not too complex, not very nuanced, who knows how to get seen and heard and has a simple, clear, often banal but effective message. (Lady Gaga, B. Obama, D. Trump)

Otherwise, I applaud

Bubu
24th July 2017, 01:13
but at the same time, it draws people's attention away from a lot of other topics, as time is used to battle the disinfo!

There is a lot more crap topic than most people think. It draws attention from the things with real values. That's the basic of trolling.

Shadowself
24th July 2017, 02:23
Has anybody gotten any news on the conference? Any video or anything at all?

Lifebringer
24th July 2017, 10:41
So now all that information from abductees and sightings is falling into someone's hands "I" can't trust. Thank God I forgot my old e-mail password and they've screwed it up so badly at yahoo, trying to protect and connect themselves to you, that I just opened another. Mostly political begging mail anyway for the parties. I'm Independent, and they are "lying to get my support and grassroots lists. Like I said, good thing I forgot that password, or I'd have to look at that 1100 or so emails daily. I've freed myself of parties, and their lies, NOT turning back. They never did a thing for me. Always paid cash and on time. God works in mysterious ways.
Just hope it's not disgruntled employee ego, firing off to stop the good work they do.
Come to think of it. Mufon has mostly been posting from military sightings and interviews. Not too many sightings updates but then, i don't have the e-mail anymore.:silent:

WTHTLight
24th July 2017, 12:56
It has become exceedingly obvious to me that there is a concerted effort to create so much division and confusion in the younger NEWBIES... to create disinterest in the subject. After the sycophantic worship of some of the messiahs are exposed there will be a lot of younger and new interest people turning away forever. This is the modern day ridicule style of the 50-60"s re-invented. You have to give the deep state and the USAP's a lot of credit for playing a long game. It feels like real scientific discernment no longer has a seat at the table. It is very disheartening. Oh well we endured before & we will push through this phase of disinformation as well. I hope our grand children in science will still want to carry the torch of collaborative discernment in investigation. My heart says that they will. Disappointed in MUFON for this left turn towards infotainment.
Doc

Andrew_K
24th July 2017, 16:09
The first video of the conference has emerged. Here is Gary McKinnon's presentation.
LTemN5XTdec

Kristin
24th July 2017, 16:33
I would start a thread on this Andrew! Good to see Gary and I'm glad good things came out of MUFON (albeit last gasps) after all.

Cidersomerset
24th July 2017, 20:43
The first video of the conference has emerged. Here is Gary McKinnon's presentation.



Well this has answered two of my questions on another thread that contrary to
the publicity poster it was unlikely Gary would attend the conference as he would
of been arrested and he would probably be speaking over Skype.
Richard Dolan talks to Bill Ryan in depth: Corey Goode, Andy Basiago, Bill Tompkins, MUFON, and more
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98734-Richard-Dolan-talks-to-Bill-Ryan-in-depth-Corey-Goode-Andy-Basiago-Bill-Tompkins-MUFON-and-more&p=1165866&viewfull=1#post1165866

Secondly unless he actually remembered any new info ie the names of the
US craft etc , he would not have enough to fill an hour. The presentation
is interesting but most of it he has said before , but if anyone had not
seen them then he is an important piece in the UFO disclosure field not
only for his claims of what he saw but the extreme response by the US
to extricate him and the threat is still there if he leaves the country as
far as I'm aware. Still nice to see he is well and still interested.....


Gary McKinnon Interview 2015 - Why he thinks, his case was a Psy-Op (full) - Richplanet TV (2015)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsfrmTXuw1Q

Bill Ryan
25th July 2017, 00:06
Richard Dolan on Coast to Coast AM last night talking to George Knapp about the MUFON Symposium:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIUepYMZKTM

Edit to add:

The video was removed from YouTube public access, but here's Richard Dolan's part of the show:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_Richard_Dolan_George_Knapp_23_July_ 2017.mp3 (1 hr 49 min, 45 Mb)

bogeyman
25th July 2017, 10:47
MUFON is more o a social and ego club, research is a joke, the UFO community has it stands is full of inaccuracies, and know doubt intelligence officers mudding the waters

Cidersomerset
25th July 2017, 12:29
Richard Dolan on Coast to Coast AM last night talking to George Knapp about the MUFON Symposium:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_Richard_Dolan_George_Knapp_23_July_2017.mp3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIUepYMZKTM)[quote]

A brief description of interview...

[QUOTE]Richard Dolan - UFO Disclosure/Secret Space Program | John Hanson - UFO CasesRichard starts talking about the panel he was on with Corey , Andrew Basiago ,
Bill Tompkins and Michael Salla approx 13 mins in ......First comment from George
says he had a text from Jan Harzan that it was the best attended conference in 20
years and there were some lively debates. 'Marketing wise' it was a success but
scientifically it was probably a set back, Richard explains it better and goes into
the SSP and other related topics for which there are plenty of witness statements...

In the phone in after the hour mark a pilot rings in with a personal witness
testimony which sounds interesting....Interview approx 1 hour long.

boja
25th July 2017, 14:04
In summary,
Unfortunately MUFON is broken, as stated in the Original Post.

UFO reports can be sent to NUFORC (National UFO Reporting Centre), Peter Davenport's excellent website where they are logged etc.

Richard Dolan gives an excellent view of these "whistleblowers" on his website here (https://www.richarddolanpress.com/single-post/2017/07/16/On-Corey-Andrew-and-the-Whistleblowers)

Unfortunately, All of this chatter about "secret space program whistleblowers" is exactly what the government wants - IT'S A DISTRACTION

The big question is not even "ARE THEY HERE ?" - we all know they're here.

The big question is "WHAT DO THEY WANT ?"

Abductions, Hybridisation, Clandestine Takeover etc.

Notice how society is being dramatically changed

Is it possible that we are being infiltrated by ET ?

Foxie Loxie
25th July 2017, 14:18
The video was marked "private", so couldn't get it. :confused: Infiltrated??? If we ARE the "experiment" then I guess you could say we've been infiltrated!! :sherlock:

bogeyman
25th July 2017, 14:59
Who ever said science is the best method to investigate the so named UFO? Science has very serious flaws it self, let alone the scientist who study it along with social issues which effect the way they think.

Bill Ryan
25th July 2017, 15:51
The video was marked "private", so couldn't get it. :confused:

The video was removed from YouTube public access, but here's Richard Dolan's part of the show:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_Richard_Dolan_George_Knapp_23_July_2017.mp3 (1 hr 49 min, 45 Mb)


Who ever said science is the best method to investigate the so named UFO? Science has very serious flaws it self, let alone the scientists who study it along with social issues which effect the way they think.

Not 'science' per se, but the scientific method.

That means considering evidence as senior to unprovable hearsay, understanding the importance of the falsifiability of claims, looking for corroboration and consistency, establishing probable hypotheses, etc. (This is what MUFON is meant to be doing....)

Foxie Loxie
25th July 2017, 19:00
Thanks, Bill! :highfive: Clifford Stone.....Bob Dean come to mind. Clifford was in on UFO "clean ups". Bob tells of being gone from Earth time two weeks(I believe), but was back in his bedroom within 15 min. What "proof" can he offer? It appears that such stories have been "mined" & that is what is going on with the newer generation. Makes me wonder if the first conversation you had with Andrew B. WAS his "truth" & that the Mars thing was injected(by whom?) later. Take Duncan O.; these people have had to live with the results of things that were done to them without their personal consent & then have had to figure out HOW to live with what has been their reality. I'm sure this has not been easy by any stretch of the imagination for any of them.

Taking back our personal sovereignty seems to be the only "out". That seems to be the "secret" that WAS kept from us, with good reason, by those who wished to control us. Many different schemes over many centuries seem to have kept us dumbed down.... so I, for one, would like to thank you for ALL you have done to bring to light another side of "reality"! :clapping: Thanks, Bill & all the Mods who keep us going here!! :heart:

Rawhide68
25th July 2017, 20:54
Thanks for your input to this discussion.

Probably MUFON has been infiltrated by dif (insider)US groups, over years. Could it be that they have ben bought? I dont think so but anything is possible.

This Mr Harzan as I understand is the head for MUFON and seems like a trustworthy guy started to pop up in series like "Hangar 1" on Syfy channel a couple of years ago. If I don´t misremember Richard Dolan was in that show as well, (correct me if Im wrong)

No miscredit to Mr Dolan from my side , I love the chap!

Hangar one, with a fake fotage of an empty staged hangar where MUFON were suposingly hiding their secret files in cardboard boxes picket down by a catwalk lady who wrote codewords with her red lipstick on a glassplate in location so secret that bla bla bla ...

In my opinion it was the fall of credibility for MUFON, and along comes Corey Goode to the conference.
Ticket rates ridiculaously 360 usd ? what?

Watching the whole from of a long term of well known and well functioning organisations stanpoint it easy to fall in to a decay like this without awareness (trying to save Harzan here dunno why) ,its a common trap they/we all fall into eventuely.

Comments plz

Praxis
26th July 2017, 08:20
I am super happy that Gary Spoke but I am super disappointed in the introduction which did something very subtle if you go back and rewatch.

She introduces him as a criminal and said that he BROKE THE LAW. Then Gary repeats that same idea from his own mouth. Then, he goes on the tell his story which ends with , THERE WAS NO TRIAL. Therefore, he did not break the law or has not been proven to have done such. Yet, this lady gets him to say it even though after his whole ordeal, he was never found guilty.

Who is this Jan? Is that the Jan director of MUFON Jan?

If so, shame on her.

Bubu
26th July 2017, 14:08
MUFON has lost all credibility.

Not a single serious UFO researcher would take them seriously anymore.

Seems like the intelligence services had their wish come true.

They always have their wish come true and always will as long as people follow the money. Money makes the world go round at least this matrix world. I've started my garden no matter how small. I am shifting to another job catering to gardeners. so while I am supporting my family I am helping with the cause. For people to be truly free we must be free from money first.

sorry off topic. but I'd rather keep my focus than be carried away by the topic.

Bill Ryan
26th July 2017, 15:10
I am super happy that Gary Spoke but I am super disappointed in the introduction which did something very subtle if you go back and rewatch.

She introduces him as a criminal and said that he BROKE THE LAW. Then Gary repeats that same idea from his own mouth. Then, he goes on the tell his story which ends with , THERE WAS NO TRIAL. Therefore, he did not break the law or has not been proven to have done such. Yet, this lady gets him to say it even though after his whole ordeal, he was never found guilty.

Who is this Jan? Is that the Jan director of MUFON Jan?

If so, shame on her.

Well, if I speed down the highway at 90 mph, I'm breaking the law even if no-one sees it or gives me a ticket. :)

Jan Harzan is a man... an unusual name. The woman who introduced Gary was Cheryl Jones, a quite different person.

Paprika
26th July 2017, 16:07
Found this on Dark Journalist's FB page.

A good/ concise listen.

Breakaway w/ WALTER BOSLEY, 25 July 17


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIkE5VavOPk&feature=youtu.be

Praxis
27th July 2017, 00:48
I am super happy that Gary Spoke but I am super disappointed in the introduction which did something very subtle if you go back and rewatch.

She introduces him as a criminal and said that he BROKE THE LAW. Then Gary repeats that same idea from his own mouth. Then, he goes on the tell his story which ends with , THERE WAS NO TRIAL. Therefore, he did not break the law or has not been proven to have done such. Yet, this lady gets him to say it even though after his whole ordeal, he was never found guilty.

Who is this Jan? Is that the Jan director of MUFON Jan?

If so, shame on her.

Well, if I speed down the highway at 90 mph, I'm breaking the law even if no-one sees it or gives me a ticket. :)

Jan Harzan is a man... an unusual name. The woman who introduced Gary was Cheryl Jones, a quite different person.

Thanks for the correction Bill. I thought Jan was a man, said like YAN, so that Is why I was confused during the intro.

A few things my brother pointed out;

Any picture would be useless and not show anything in 2 bit color at the resolution specified.
Fridge is not an over unity device.

It almost seems like there are subtle things that are strange about Gary and his story, not that I dont believe him, but like he is telling us only what he can or what he has to if that makes any sense.

Harley
28th July 2017, 00:05
Well, maybe there is something to The Corey Story after all.

Even the chickens are starting to convert! :facepalm:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Red39zOOBjY

Gemma13
28th July 2017, 01:31
AND SO IT BEGINS – WITH JZ KNIGHT-RAMTHA TAKING THE HELM IN YELM

http://www.jzknight.com/
THE OLYMPIAN ON YELM’S FIRST UFO FEST – MENTIONS SYMPOSIUM SPEAKER KNIGHT
- Published in The Olympian, July 26, 2017:

“Weekend plans have you feeling spaced out? Beam over to Yelm’s first UFO Fest”
“The first Yelm UFO Fest is set to launch this weekend, and organizers are preparing to welcome visitors from beyond. Or at least beyond Yelm.”

“JZ Knight, president of Ramtha’s School of Enlightenment in Yelm and known for her claims that she channels a 35,000-year-old warrior spirit named Ramtha, also will speak as part of the festival. Knight’s speech will be held at Ramtha’s School of Enlightenment, and admission is $50.”

“The festival was organized through a partnership between The Triad Arts Theater, Nisqually Valley News, and Puget Sound Entertainment. Michael Wagar, publisher at Nisqually Valley News, and his friend Steve Craig hatched the idea during a casual conversation. Then offers to help began pouring in.”

“Jayne offered to host — a UFO fest was right up her alley and the Triad could use a fundraiser. Cory Kolilis at Puget Sound Entertainment offered his festival set-up expertise. The City of Yelm was supportive. It was perfect ‘synchronicity,’ as several organizers described it.”

“Jayne hopes that the UFO Fest will provide an opportunity for people of “all walks of life” to come together, dress up in their best alien garb, and celebrate being ‘a little out there.’

‘Yelm is coming out of the closet, baby,’ Jayne said,” by Zoe Sayler, The Olympian.
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Chester
28th July 2017, 03:41
JZ Knight involvement, especially at the level it appears she is, is death to any legitimacy of MUFON.

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2017/06/mufon-racism-and-dodging-questions.html


...the MUFON Inner Circle...The thirteen members, in no particular order are: Jan Harzan, Ed L’Heureux, Jennifer Stein, David MacDonald, John Schuessler, Debbie Ziegelmeyer, Clifford Clift, John Ventre, JZ Knight, Holly Baker, John Grace, Cindy DuPont and Michael Limotta.

also here -

http://www.mufon.com/the-inner-circle.html

Forgive me, but I will not buy any books (or fund anything else) of any researcher that remains involved with MUFON. I am sure my lack of funds won't make a difference, but MUFON is no longer a legitimate organization.

Its an entertainment facilitator.

Shadowself
27th August 2017, 14:33
Erica Lukes Talks to Former Mufon State Director James Clarkson Who Courageously Quit his Post to Protest The Secret Space Program Circus Presentation and more.

http://kcorradio.com/KCOR/Podcasts/UFO-Classified/2017/August/James-Clarkson-Ufology-Moving-Forward-UFO-Classified-Hosted-By-Erica-Lukes-KCOR-Digital-Radio-Netowrk.mp3

TrumanCash
28th August 2017, 15:26
Here's a link to James Clarkson's statement about leaving MUFON:

With Regret – Why I Must Leave MUFON Completely (http://jamesclarksonufo.com/ufo-news/with-regret-why-i-must-leave-mufon-completely)

Bluegreen
30th August 2017, 01:14
Here's what he's talking about ...

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