Arrival of Alien Ships in 2012 Mentioned by Various Project Camelot Sources

[timerty]

I would like to group together various sources of information that points to the arrival of aliens ships in 2012.

Here is a link to a Project Camelot interview of Mr X who has since died, who claimed to have once worked with handling confidential documents regarding alien contact. He tells of the mass landing of aliens in the later part of 2012.

Project Camelot interviews "Mr X", a former UFO archivist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js1QMYWg54s

http://www.jerrypippin.com/UFO_Files_mr_x.htm

There are recent news on the internet that speaks of giant spaceships reaching Earth in 2012. Some of the information such as names may not be true(for a good reason), but I believe the main message of impending mass alien contact is true.

http://www.macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/17159/56/
http://www.examiner.com/ufo-in-canada/3-very-large-objects-space-flying-to-earth
http://www.wikileaksufo.com/2010/12/3-very-large-objects-in-space-flying-to-earth/

You can hear David Wilcock talking about a similar event in this video back in 2009--
Pt 3/8. David wilcock ~ Project Camelot Interview Sept 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07V750letwc&feature=related

The information of approaching space ships wasn't from David Wilcock himself, he got to know about it from a source.

I have my trust on the information based on my trust in Dolores Cannon's mention of space ships appearing in 2012, only to accommodate those with specific vibrations to board the ships while planet-wide cataclysms occur. Dolores Cannon was a well-known UFO investigator. In one of her interviews about ancient civilizations, she talked about ETs accommodating ancient groups of people in their ships while they compress time to speed up into the people's post-cataclysmic future.


If you have any more good reliable information regarding the arrival of aliens in 2012, please add to this thread. No unnecessary jokes please, many of us are serious about realizing what could be in store for our future.

[fifi]

How can we discern who are good ET, and who are bad ET? Should we board ET ships at all? I prefer to stay on Earth.

[Harley]

Hi timerty. Welcome!

I just wanted to mention, for everyone who may not know, that wikileaksufo.com is NOT an official Wikileaks website!


This site i s no way associated to Wikileaks or Julian Assange. The purpose of this site is only to put together UFO information that coming out in the medias around the world.
Material source are always linked.
They state right there that they're going to print UFO information from the internet, so one must be careful for that. I just hate to see people mislead!

Thank You!
And
Happy Holidays!
:)

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear Friend:

Yes, 'Mr X' did say that he had seen in official pre-mid-1980s documents that there might be landings sometime in the 2010-2012 period.

And this might be true. He was certainly not lying about what he tried his best to remember that he saw.

Regarding the three large objects 'beyond Pluto', it's not possible to calculate the time of their 'arrival here'.

If they are indeed spaceships, they could be heading for Titan, Mars, Venus, our Moon, or just orbiting the sun to take a good look at all of us in their own good time. Or maybe just checking out Saturn's rings. The idea that they are 'headed towards Earth' is unknowable and nonsense extrapolation by uninformed, over-enthusiastic bloggers.

All that can be said - if this is true - is that they are inbound towards the sun from a VERY long way out.. And they might be natural objects, too, of course, simply following the laws of orbital mechanics.

Please be intelligent about what you read on the internet. Because you saw it in someone's blog, it doesn't mean it's reliable or true.

Most bloggers add their uninformed personal spin to things - and this is the 'Chinese Whispers' way that things get distorted beyond recognition after 5 or 6 iterations of the personal additions people make.

Especially when you read phrases like "scientists have calculated..." or "researchers have revealed...", you can be sure that someone made it up, or cannot properly remember the details worth a damn of something they saw (or misinterpreted) on a YouTube video created by a kid in his bedroom.

Sorry if that sounds acerbic, but this is not information, It's opinion. And it doesn't stand up to a moment's intelligent thought.

PLEASE BE SMARTER THAN THIS - we need to be smart now more than ever before.

To blindly believe something just because you want to simply makes you confirm to all the definitions of religion.

There may be large objects beyond the object of Pluto (in fact, I'd bet a lot of money on it). What they are, where they're headed, when they may 'arrive' nearer the sun, are all impossible to know at this stage.

[atut]

This is one of things what make me interested in 2012 topic. UFO mass landing in 2012; many have told about this. Tibetan Buddhist monks also see UFO mass landing in 2012. (http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/12-26-04.asp)
I think it will be something spectacular major event in 2012.

But I have just got confused this few days by Bill's statement. His new source was telling him that 2012 is BS and nonsense.

I have followed Bill's work so far and I think his statement quite credible. I always agree what he tells.

[Snowbird]

How can we discern who are good ET, and who are bad ET? Should we board ET ships at all? I prefer to stay on Earth.

Me too, fifi. :nod:

[Snowbird]

This is one of things what make me interested in 2012 topic. UFO mass landing in 2012; many have told about this. Tibetan Buddhist monks also see UFO mass landing in 2012. (http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/12-26-04.asp)
I think it will be something spectacular major event in 2012.

But I have just got confused this few days by Bill's statement. His new source was telling him that 2012 is BS and nonsense.

I have followed Bill's work so far and I think his statement quite credible. I always agree what he tells.

I am hoping that you agree with Bill because you genuinely believe what he states. I think that Bill Ryan himself, would strongly suggest to you and to everyone, to question and discern everything that you hear and read.....including what Bill states. And this goes for whatever is written or stated by us all.

Bill Ryan is extremely knowledgeable about many subjects, but his interpretation of any one subject matter may not necessarily be what resonates within you for your best spiritual growth potential. :yo:

[Bill Ryan]

But I have just got confused this few days by Bill's statement. His new source was telling him that 2012 is BS and nonsense.

I have followed Bill's work so far and I think his statement quite credible. I always agree what he tells.

Dear friend - note that I have never said that "2012 is BS and nonsense".

2012 is clearly very real - it'll last for 12 months, and we'll all experience it!

Part of the problem is that '2012' means very different things to different people.

If you ask 20 different New Age commentators what '2012' means to them, you'll get 20 different answers (maybe more). My own views are specific:


There will be no global cataclysm such as a pole shift or nuclear war.
There will be no 'mass ascension'.
The Earth will not divide in two or 'ascend to the fifth dimension' (or anywhere else).
No-one is coming to rescue us or airlift anyone out.
There will be nothing special about 21 December 2012 apart from that the entire New Age community will go temporarily insane, to recover very quickly the next day... after nothing has happened. :)

Besides that - all kinds of important events might occur, and probably will.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill Ryan is extremely knowledgeable about many subjects, but his interpretation of any one subject matter may not necessarily be what resonates within you for your best spiritual growth potential. :yo:

:yo: to you too!

Note that "what resonates within you for your best spiritual growth potential" is likely to be the truth.

Illusion makes us feel good for a short while - but that's got nothing to to with growth.

The thing that bursts the bubble is the day after the forecast event has failed to occur. You'd think we'd have all got the hang of that by now!

[greybeard]

I love the saying
"Assume makes an ass out of u & me"
Events may be hoped for believed in but till they happen the are at best, probability, good guess, possibly good fiction, enjoyable to read about but thats it.
Discernment is needed.
Just because a lot of people talk about it don't make it so.
Everyone believed the world was flat, that the sun and planets went round us.
They had "evidence" that the belief was so.
My belief is that if you believe anything strongly enough you will find something to confirm you are right.
Of course contra indications will be ignored as irrelevant.
Thats human nature.
if nothing exceptional happens Dec 2012. some people will go into shock, change the date and look for the next proof that they are right.
At lease we dont have to long to wait.
Books like "The Power of Now" are invaluable in that they state there is only ever the eternal present moment, if you are looking to the future for anything you are missing what is available NOW.
As a qualified Hypnotherapist I have read many books on how the mind works.
One very acute observation was that "Its not a question of getting a person into a hypnotic trance, its a question of getting them out of their own personal one".
Our personal beliefs are entrancing.
We run programed by our beliefs, we can change them.
I dont have any problem with alien ship arriving or not arriving.
I think its best to be open minded but I realize my future well being is really down to me. I dont assume some outside force will descend and rescue me.
If it happens it happens. Till then I will live in the present moment to the best of my ability. I dont want to miss out on something happening now by being in the trnace state of day dreaming. Day dreaming is ok and has its place but its not a reality.
Regards Chris

[Snowbird]

:yo: to you too!

Note that "what resonates within you for your best spiritual growth potential" is likely to be the truth.

Illusion makes us feel good for a short while - but that's got nothing to to with growth.

The thing that bursts the bubble is the day after the forecast event has failed to occur. You'd think we'd have all got the hang of that by now!

This however, is a really difficult concept in this day and age in which we live. We are being forced to confront change and new and different types of information on a constant basis. We are going to be wrong now and then and that is okay. :nod:


I love the saying
"Assume makes an ass out of u & me"
Events may be hoped for believed in but till they happen the are at best, probability, good guess, possibly good fiction, enjoyable to read about but thats it.
Discernment is needed.

We run programed by our beliefs, we can change them.
I dont have any problem with alien ship arriving or not arriving.
I think its best to be open minded but I realize my future well being is really down to me. I dont assume some outside force will descend and rescue me.
If it happens it happens. Till then I will live in the present moment to the best of my ability. I dont want to miss out on something happening now by being in the trnace state of day dreaming. Day dreaming is ok and has its place but its not a reality.
Regards Chris

Ah, but much inventive genius stems from day-dreaming. :yes4:

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At the beginning of this week, the weather forecasters told us that we should expect between 1 to 4 inches of snow on Wednesday of this same week. We believed and began to prepare for this addition to the existing 12 inches on the ground. I always get excited when it snows but many others in this part of the world, grumble at the mere mention.

This didn't happen on Wednesday. When I awoke this morning, we had a beautiful blanket of what appears to be 4 to 6 inches of new snow.

:smow::smow:

An illusion defined as, belief or opinion not in accord with the facts. Who or what holds credence to facts as we live and learn in what many believe to be a holographic environment? Sadly, we are learning that the facts of the scientific community can no longer be depended upon to great extent. Nor, can religious beliefs be used to justify our environment. We are living and breathing an entirely new existence and future.

This reminds me of the concept of true prophecy where our collective consciousness plays a huge part in whether or not these prophecies, positive or negative, actually occur.

With prophecy in mind, how do we factor in the concepts of timelines and dimensions to our existing reality...defined as fact?

Living in this reality requires nothing short of fluidity and change. What new concept we hear about and learn about one day, may be replaced the next day with a newer and more different concept that may open our minds and hearts to possibilities not imagined. I don't at all mind being wrong, because I believe that to be a determination for my own soul-condition. But I do believe that I should be the one to come to that conclusion for my own self. But that's just me. :juggle:

[Ross]

Here are some facts, that shows clearly, there are objects/bodies beyond Pluto, and some of these are in the 200-300km size range.

In 1992 the first "Kuiper Belt" object was found--or rather, the first one outside Pluto, which today is considered part of the belt too. That was when David Jewitt and Jane Luu discovered "1992 QB1" with diameter of 200 or 250 kilometers. The size of that dwarf planet was fairly typical for the belt, though many are bigger and at least one seems bigger then Pluto, too. Most orbit near the ecliptic, showing they came from the solar nebula--though an appreciable scatter of inclinations exist.

By 1996, over 30 such objects were observed, and as of November 2007, over 1000. Many are locked in a 2:3 resonance the way Pluto is (those have been dubbed "Plutinos") and others display different resonances, all factors helping stability.

Also, NASA launched in January 2006 a "New Horizons" spacecraft to fly by Pluto in July 2015 and to pass at least one Kuiper belt object at a later date.

So, we now know that there are objects of significants beyond that of Pluto, and many of them. Spaceships? how are they distinguishable from these other objects? and, parked out there waiting, ready to arrive in 2012, seems they arrived early? repairs and maintenance perhaps? or just having some downtime?;)

Something Interesting here...

Mercury – 0
Venus – 0
Earth – 1
Mars – 2
Jupiter – 63
Saturn – 60
Uranus – 27
Neptune – 13

That totals 166 moons in the Solar System.

Now Pluto, a part of a special family of dwarf planets, has 3 moons of its own, so that would bring the total to 169 and, who knows what NASA’s New Horizons spacecraft will find when it gets to Pluto.

So many moons in the solar system! This suggests the universe is frothing with spherical bodies we can’t even began to imagine.

[str8thinker]

Thanks Bill for keeping this thread on course with injections of common sense. It becomes more difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff when we are already biased by what we want to believe.

[onawah]

I don't think he said that it was going to be in 2012, but I believe Mayan elder Don Alejandro said that he thinks our ancestors from the stars (or something like that) will be returning soon.

I would love to hear more from Bob Dean. I listened to the last net radio interview he did with Kerry and though he didn't reveal much in the way of details, he did keep insisting that there are advanced benevolent beings who are interested in our welfare and "will not allow" certain things to happen like thermonuclear war. He offered to give Kerry much more time for a long interview to tell us more of what he knows.
The talk he gave at one of the big conferences when he showed photos of the huge ships out near Saturn was absolutely riveting. If Kerry and Bill could find out more about what he says he knows (at more length), I think it would probably be quite fascinating. He does tend to wander a bit when being interviewed, but if the questions were to the point (not just fielded from callers, etc.) and the intention was really to get as much information as possible and stay on target, it's possible there is still a lot of good info that could be gleaned.
He is 82 now, and I think it would be a shame to miss such a good opportunity, when he has offered it freely.

[kcw_one]

I've come across data in too many places to mention suggesting that offworlders will be arriving at some point in the future, many pointing to the very near future as the probable time period. This is a major underpinning of much of the new-age / alt-media soup we've all been sampling. Some say they're coming to wipe us out and steal our planet, some figure they want to come and give us all anal probes and make some kind of hybrid franken-race, and yet others make 'them' out to be the good guys that will swoop in to rescue us all from our own folly, either by fixing our mistakes for us or whisking us away on their ships off to destinations unknown but decidedly spacey. Who's to say what will really happen. Me, I've never (knowingly) met anyone not born here on momma Earth, so I'm not even certain there are such topsoils out there, tentacles or otherwise.

I do have some strong gut-feelings about what's going on, though that is of almost no consequence to anyone other than me. I'll share anyway, cuz you never know who might find my perspective of some small value . . .

Earth's elite has been in contact with at least one group (probably many more than one, an probably more that one elite earth faction has made contact) of beings from offworld. These groups are from different places, and most probably have different agendas. Some may see themselves as wanting to help us out like an older sibling, or may feel some sense of ownership of earth or humanity, having taken part in contributing to the genetic makeup of our particular version of people. Who knows. Rest assured that any group now in contact with humans, whether through face-to-face contact or otherwise (channelling etc.), has a reason for being around these parts at this particular time.

I get the feeling that the offworlders will indeed be revealed to us all at some point, and I think then is the time to pay close attention. Offers to rescue or help us evacuate for some reason may come. I for one will be staying here with momma earth. I have a strong tickle in the spidey sense that any of these groups promoting scenarios resulting in a percieved need to leave the planet are not for me. That's not to say that those opportunities wouldn't be totally appropriate for the ones who are drawn to them.

Someone asked in an earlier post how to tell the good guys from the bad guys. My response to that is that you will just know. I feel that by the time these guys show up on the scene, anyone dedicated to raising their vibe will feel for themselves which path is right for them. How does one know if one has taken the right path? By seeing that one's feet are upon it.

[timerty]

If you ask 20 different New Age commentators what '2012' means to them, you'll get 20 different answers (maybe more). My own views are specific:


There will be no global cataclysm such as a pole shift or nuclear war.
There will be no 'mass ascension'.
The Earth will not divide in two or 'ascend to the fifth dimension' (or anywhere else).
No-one is coming to rescue us or airlift anyone out.
There will be nothing special about 21 December 2012 apart from that the entire New Age community will go temporarily insane, to recover very quickly the next day... after nothing has happened. :)

Besides that - all kinds of important events might occur, and probably will.

Hi Bill, let me add to the list:
*There will be a climatic increase in the number of UFO sightings(the increase over the years is mind-boggling)

*Missile silos will continue to be disabled by unidentified forces
(there have been witness accounts of this, and can be interpreted as aliens 'saving' humanity from a nuclear threat)

The UFOs and their occupants are definitely up to something. They seem to be working towards a climax towards something big that humanity is unaware of. This gives great suspicion of an impending event in the very near future that could be related.

If aliens have already been 'saving' us from ourselves by disabling missile silos, it means the threats of nuclear war have been constant, and we have no reason to think that they will not have the intentions to "rescue us or airlift anyone out" in the near future.

[timerty]

How can we discern who are good ET, and who are bad ET? Should we board ET ships at all? I prefer to stay on Earth.

I don't think anyone will need to make these decisions. If I am an advanced alien with advanced technology related to manipulating energy vibrations and time and space, and with a ship with limited space, I will simply 'teleport' the chosen ones with a specific vibration onto my ship. This is the smartest and most efficient use of technology.

If advanced aliens have already been helping us behind our backs, we really don't not need to make any conscious decisions to allow them to help us.

[timerty]

I don't think he said that it was going to be in 2012, but I believe Mayan elder Don Alejandro said that he thinks our ancestors from the stars (or something like that) will be returning soon.

William Henry with his study of ancient Egyptian culture has said that "light beings" will return to Earth through portals during 2012.

[Ross]

If aliens have already been 'saving' us from ourselves by disabling missile silos, it means the threats of nuclear war have been constant, and we have no reason to think that they will not have the intentions to "rescue us or airlift anyone out" in the near future.

There will be no rescue, no airlift and no spacecraft turning up to save us...

And if Aliens have been 'saving' us from ourselves by disabling missile silos, why dont they care about the 22,000 children that die every day around the world, or, The Great Chinese Famine between 1959-1962 estimated 20,000,000-43,000,000 deaths from starvation? or the genocide of around 11,000,000 inflicted by Nazi Germany? I could flll this page with statistics which would shock most here at the amount of needless deaths in the last 50 years let alone the last 100. Perhaps the 'Saviour' ET's were not around at these times?.

Why do they only care about Atomic WMD's? They were a bit late with the 70,000–80,000 people, or some 30% of the population of Hiroshima and the 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki deaths, of which 98% were innocent...There was plenty of testing done before 'fat boy' was dropped....or were they not listening/watching or aware of such?... Does not make sense to me.

"we will save you from nuclear war"... but not any other type of war?...of which there are at least 40 wars on this planet presently, civil and invaded.

Or is it the argument that we are ready for saviour now?

7 billion people, of which only a minority live with food, water, power, social services and education on a daily basis...or does the meek only get saved?... Oh, I just about forgot... perhaps only the conscious awakened higher vibrating few will be saved...if thats the case they wont need too many ships, perhaps only one? 250km in size should do it?

Yes, you can tell I'm somewhat desensitized to the whole saviour trip and I apologise for my 'in your face post'. Nothing personal intended towards anyone here...we are all trying our best to discern whats going on, I have said before that the 'Truth' has lost all meaning...if it ever had any meaning at all...

We all will continue into 2011 and onwards learning to better discern...but, ET's wont be turning up to intervene/save us.

Ross

[Mauree]

I am reading (The Power of Now) at the moment. Excellent!

[timerty]

perhaps only the conscious awakened higher vibrating few will be saved...if thats the case they wont need too many ships, perhaps only one?

I agree with this part. And not just ships but also the possibility of portals. I think those that are no longer affected by the polarized duality would have completed their learning on Earth and would no longer have any business being here.

[timerty]

I am reading (The Power of Now) at the moment. Excellent!

The book is good for introducing beginners to spirituality. From my level, I perceive it to be very elementary.

[Ross]

I agree with this part. And not just ships but also the possibility of portals. I think those that are no longer affected by the polarized duality would have completed their learning on Earth and would no longer have any business being here.

Hi timerty,

Yes, portals...thats a very different scenario, I was referencing in my post the 'spaceships, waiting till 2012' idea. Portals I have great interest and belief in...personl experience.

I am more of the view that the "no longer affected by the polarized duality" effect, will happen at that persons death, as in "'I'm ready" not by means of 2012, in the 'ascension' sense, "this is the time"

Also I see a great advantage for the persons, if they have acheived that state of being before death, and while still here and alive, be in a positon to help mankind 'get there' one by one if it takes...seems more of a 'service to others' than it be, unused wisdom "i'm off outa here" see ya's...I tend to think this, if your already 'there' at that state, whats the hurry?

Ross.

[ascendingstarseed]

There will be no rescue, no airlift and no spacecraft turning up to save us...

And if Aliens have been 'saving' us from ourselves by disabling missile silos, why dont they care about the 22,000 children that die every day around the world, or, The Great Chinese Famine between 1959-1962 estimated 20,000,000-43,000,000 deaths from starvation? or the genocide of around 11,000,000 inflicted by Nazi Germany? I could flll this page with statistics which would shock most here at the amount of needless deaths in the last 50 years let alone the last 100. Perhaps the 'Saviour' ET's were not around at these times?.

Why do they only care about Atomic WMD's?

Ross

I don't think one bit of their concern is to save humanity from nuclear war, what they are concerned about is the planets resources that they also make use of for their own technologies. In addition the Earth is on the edge of the galaxy and certain areas like Pine Gap Australia apparently have R&R facilities that many different alien races use when passing through this region...

This is a beautiful planet with many resources for numerous races who are mining our oceans and there are other races who live beneath the surface as well the hollow Earth, in addition nuclear detonations affect other worlds, dimensions and who knows what else they damage. I recently heard something in respects to tears in the space time fabric caused by too much nuclear testing....they are protecting much more than the human race. If it was just us, surely they would let us blow ourselves to Kingdom Come.

[Bill Ryan]

perhaps only the conscious awakened higher vibrating few will be saved...if thats the case they wont need too many ships, perhaps only one?

I agree with this part. And not just ships but also the possibility of portals. I think those that are no longer affected by the polarized duality would have completed their learning on Earth and would no longer have any business being here.

You may have missed Ross's subtle Aussie irony! :)


The book is good for introducing beginners to spirituality. From my level, I perceive it to be very elementary.

From your level, you perceive The Power of Now to be elementary?

There may be an oxymoron in there somewhere.

Trust me: you do not understand spirituality if you're hoping that as soon as you've "completed your learning on Earth" you'd be outta here on the nearest friendly lightship, leaving all the other unfortunates to their grisly fate.

[BMW]

The story of chicken little comes to mind.
I have read so far,bill is right , if they whip it up enough and nothing happens,then what.
Or maybe all the info regarding 2012 is prefabricated for use at a MUCH later date,what a great ruse it would be for the magician to lay the foundation to trick for his grandson to exploit long after his death.
How hard would everyone bite on to that!

[Bill Ryan]

The story of chicken little comes to mind.
I have read so far,bill is right , if they whip it up enough and nothing happens,then what.
Or maybe all the info regarding 2012 is prefabricated for use at a MUCH later date,what a great ruse it would be for the magician to lay the foundation to trick for his grandson to exploit long after his death.
How hard would everyone bite on to that!

Well, friend, good morning to you! Is it a white Christmas where you are?

It is here... but I always look at Christmas like the rest of the 'western' world has gone temporarily mad. I opted out of Christmas when I was a teenager, and never looked back.

But not having a family has made that easier than for some other people. Without children, one can step back and look at all the conditioning and programming in quite some amazement. It's rampant.

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:focus: Fellow Avalon members, listen to this man. He's a little cryptic sometimes, but may know of what he speaks! :)

[BMW]

Xmas,couldn't agree more Bill.
I'm fine,bored but fine waiting as usual.
I hope I find you in rude health,and yes it is actually me this time,lol

The subject in hand.
Trying to guess what an alien life form is here for, really....is that what's happening.
No
Clasping for answers,trying to scratch an itch that can't be reached on ones own,I hazard a guess that's what's really happening.

Don't think about it.
Try and keep any thoughts of this subject from your mind,try it, just for arguments sake,and realise what happens.
Cold turkey is a wonderful thing.
If you do manage this amazing feet of mind,then listen to how you feel about it.don't look for your own voice in your head as you will naturally do.don't listen feel in your centre .......are you happy and contented when you do this........or are you filled with dread and uncertainty.........do you feel energetic and proactive...........or are you scared and apathetic.

I hope I have explained this process accurately,but I was shown over a long period of time, not told the formula.

Bill,he is very good at this I have sat in front of him and seen him do it realtime , that is very very unusual.
He is now blushing I assure you,:o

bill do you remember your reference to the Childs game of hot n cold,you know ,your getting warmer warmer,as yo get near the hidden object.
Do you remember my comment about "not being able to do this"
Well that is a subject of hot debate ,with the axe.
Some are saying ,and I know you know who,that the act of the searcher walking in any direction is there free will,the informer is just stating facts as they moved towards,this is not leading the bull buy the nose,it's more like walking along with the bull and giving a report to the bull of his actions as they happen.
If this is approved , well you see how that will move things on a little to say the least.

And it also means you get your interview.

This is third hand from Aubrey .
Who seems to want to cooperate again.
Things are very loose there,arrogantly I like to think I have had some part in that !
Lol

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Oh and yes ,it is very White where I am as I will be travelling through the mountains today buy car on the only road to Carlisle , very winding ,should be great fun now don't you think!
Lol
Come on boys let's have ya,for old times sake ,couldn't get more peaceful a road on a day like this!

[greybeard]

And then what?
Thats a good question for any situation that the mind looks forward to.
So we are transported, rescued by UFO' Then what.
For me bottom line is that eventually we die we realize that we are not the body we were so concerned about saving, respect it look after its but its not you.
For me its a question of how loving and kindly I have been to others, thats my intention though my actions do not allways meet my intention.
"The Power of Now" is a very practical book and could be the only spiritual book you need.
Dr David Hawkins book "I" is much more in depth.
Both Hawkins and Eckhart Tolle say that from a higher perspective "Enlightenment" is kindergarten so most of us, this self include, are not even in pre school.
spiritually speaking.
The Saviour inside each and every one of us is to my mind very much more important that a possible brief rescue of the body by so called ETs.
If we spent as much time looking for the God within as we do looking at the external, hoping for any outside force to rescue us, then we would have an entirety different world Now and wouldn't think we need rescued.
Human existence is but part of a passing phase of consciousness at play, enjoy the moment.
If we get rescue thats part of the experience but eventually we meet our Maker, What then?
Chris

[Anchor]

The book is good for introducing beginners to spirituality. From my level, I perceive it to be very elementary.

Ekhart just phoned, I explained that someone on Project Avalon thinks his book is a bit, well basic - he immediately agreed to write a super-advanced one just for them - he asked for some title suggestions.

[greybeard]

Ekhart just phoned, I explained that someone on Project Avalon thinks his book is a bit, well basic - he immediately agreed to write a super-advanced one just for them - he asked for some title suggestions.

"You can not be serious" John. Smiling sweetly.
"A New Earth" might suit the thread. But its been done by, who was it again?
I think I have read "The Power of Now" eight times. Always finding it fresh and new.
The words are just the carrier wave for the energy of enlightenment.
Have a nice Christmas John.
Regards Chris

[KosmicKat]

Re: the comments on "the Power of Now"; keep in mind that a good teacher can learn from the student.

[greybeard]

Re: the comments on "the Power of Now"; keep in mind that a good teacher can learn from the student.

Under normal circumstances that would be so.
However Eckhart Tolle author of "The Power of Now" is in the state of enlightenment.
In this case the Self of the student is the same as the Self of the student.
When the spiritual student is ready the appropriate teacher arrives.
The self of the student will in time realize it is the same Self as the teacher.
Literalily there is only one Self only consciouses experiencing through the many forms it becomes/inhabits.
John sometimes says "There is only one of us here" that is true.
One electricity powers the toaster the fridge the TV.
The seeming you and I are actually the one "electricity".
Hard to believe but it is so.
Have a nice day
Chris

[Bill Ryan]

Xmas,couldn't agree more Bill.
I'm fine,bored but fine waiting as usual.
I hope I find you in rude health,and yes it is actually me this time,lol

The subject in hand.
Trying to guess what an alien life form is here for, really....is that what's happening.
No
Clasping for answers,trying to scratch an itch that can't be reached on ones own,I hazard a guess that's what's really happening.

Don't think about it.
Try and keep any thoughts of this subject from your mind,try it, just for arguments sake,and realise what happens.
Cold turkey is a wonderful thing.
If you do manage this amazing feet of mind,then listen to how you feel about it.don't look for your own voice in your head as you will naturally do.don't listen feel in your centre .......are you happy and contented when you do this........or are you filled with dread and uncertainty.........do you feel energetic and proactive...........or are you scared and apathetic.

I hope I have explained this process accurately,but I was shown over a long period of time, not told the formula.

Bill,he is very good at this I have sat in front of him and seen him do it realtime , that is very very unusual.
He is now blushing I assure you,:o

bill do you remember your reference to the Childs game of hot n cold,you know ,your getting warmer warmer,as yo get near the hidden object.
Do you remember my comment about "not being able to do this"
Well that is a subject of hot debate ,with the axe.
Some are saying ,and I know you know who,that the act of the searcher walking in any direction is there free will,the informer is just stating facts as they moved towards,this is not leading the bull buy the nose,it's more like walking along with the bull and giving a report to the bull of his actions as they happen.
If this is approved , well you see how that will move things on a little to say the least.

And it also means you get your interview.

This is third hand from Aubrey .
Who seems to want to cooperate again.
Things are very loose there,arrogantly I like to think I have had some part in that !
Lol

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Oh and yes ,it is very White where I am as I will be travelling through the mountains today buy car on the only road to Carlisle , very winding ,should be great fun now don't you think!
Lol
Come on boys let's have ya,for old times sake ,couldn't get more peaceful a road on a day like this!

Thank you for the Christmas Present! :)

(to everyone else: don't worry, you weren't meant to understand it!)

[timerty]

I am more of the view that the "no longer affected by the polarized duality" effect, will happen at that persons death, as in "'I'm ready" not by means of 2012, in the 'ascension' sense, "this is the time"

Also I see a great advantage for the persons, if they have acheived that state of being before death, and while still here and alive, be in positon to help mankind 'get there' one by one if it takes...seems more of a 'service to others' than it be, unused wisdom "i'm off outa here" see ya's...I tend to think this, your already 'there' at that state, so whats the hurry?

Ross.

Actually if you would look closely at the fundamental level, you would realize that death and the so-called major happenings of 2012 that are not death-related are both of the same thing. Both could allow the transporting of souls to where they should be, which is why both are possible to happen at the same time. Souls will always receive the help they require wherever they are in whatever forms are necessary and most efficient.

[Bill Ryan]

Eckhart just phoned, I explained that someone on Project Avalon thinks his book is a bit, well basic - he immediately agreed to write a super-advanced one just for them - he asked for some title suggestions.

"You can not be serious" John. Smiling sweetly.

More Aussie humor! :)

He apparently asked for title suggestions. Maybe this:

http://projectavalon.net/The_Power_of_2012.jpg

[Dragonfly]

:first: I'm dying laughing - thank you so much!

[Wood]

Stop the world, I want to get off!
¡Parad el mundo, me quiero bajar!
Haltet die Welt an, ich möchte aussteigen!
Arrêtez le monde, je veux descendre!
Pare o mundo, que eu quero descer!
Fermate il mondo, voglio scendere!
Orbem consistite ut escendam!
止めろ！俺は降りたいんだ！
讓世界停下來,我要下車! [让世界停下来,我要下车!]

[Bill Ryan]

:first: I'm dying laughing - thank you so much!

I should have been an Aussie. (Many people have told me that!)

Guess I'll get left behind. But then so will everyone else in Australia! :)

[fifi]

Hi Greybeard,
I always enjoy your wise blog. Thank you very much for sharing your wisdom with us.

[fifi]

THE POWER OF 2012
When the ETs will come and rescue everyone
who thinks my first book was elementary

Hi Bill, you really have a very good sense of humor. Makes me cracking up on Christmas day :)

[Fredkc]

Guess I'll get left behind. But then so will everyone else in Australia! :)
Aussies would be insulted if they weren't.

[Carmody]

More Aussie humor! :)

He apparently asked for title suggestions. Maybe this:

http://projectavalon.net/The_Power_of_2012.jpg

2.012 Million copies sold.

Or was that exactly 144,000 copies?

[Anchor]

I should have been an Aussie. (Many people have told me that!)

Guess I'll get left behind. But then so will everyone else in Australia! :)

String a few corks in that hat, buy a really big knife and you'll be right ;)

[Ross]

in addition nuclear detonations affect other worlds, dimensions and who knows what else they damage. I recently heard something in respects to tears in the space time fabric caused by too much nuclear testing....they are protecting much more than the human race.

There may be some truth in this...

I have been interested in this fellows work, Bruce Cathie: http://www.whale.to/m/cathie.html


One of the most startling facts that I discovered by application of grid mathematics was that an atomic bomb is a device based on the geometrics of space and time. To be successfully detonated, the bomb MUST be geometrically constructed, placed on, under, or over a geometric position in relation to the Earth’s surface, and activated at a SPECIFIC TIME in relation to the geometrics of the solar system. I found that it was possible to precalculate the time of various bomb tests, and the locations where it was possible to explode a bomb.


According to the mathematical complexities of unlocking the geometric structure of the unstable material constituting a bomb in order to create a sudden release of energy, I realised that an all-out atomic war was an impossibility. Both sides could precalculate well in advance the time and positions of atomic attack. Plus the fact that only certain geometric locations could be devastated anyhow. A logical war cannot be considered under these circumstances. This could be the explanation for the proliferation of conventional weapons in modern warfare.

Interesting fellow...

Ross

[Carmody]

the issue has to do with the calculated yield from the observed explosion being predicted by the astrological (positioning of planets/moon/sun relative to earth) situation and where on the earth grid the explosion takes place.

Read my bits in the 'spaceplane goes missing' thread, and the 'pyramid building solved' thread.

This directly suggests a gravity/spacetime as an electrical potential/polarization/frequency issue. An underlying order or aether type issue. The situation is that the given bomb will work anywhere but the yield varies tremendously according to time and location of the atomic interaction.

This directly states, via simple logical analysis and reduction, that:

space time is fully manipulable by just about anyone, using geometric shaping of the fluid fields and polarization of said fields, and then frequency and amplitude modulation.

The end. that's it. Nothing more. time, space, gravity and dimensions at your fingertips. Done, finito. That easy.

[Harley]

..........

[jiix]

Lol, bill, your my hero! :P

[timerty]

in addition nuclear detonations affect other worlds, dimensions and who knows what else they damage. I recently heard something in respects to tears in the space time fabric caused by too much nuclear testing....they are protecting much more than the human race. If it was just us, surely they would let us blow ourselves to Kingdom Come.

Nuclear explosions can cause tears in the space time field and send exotic particles into other dimensions. And the space that these exotic particles disrupt in other dimensions could create 'void space' similar to the Bermuda Triangle where anomalies and weird unpredictable physics can occur. It makes us wonder if the origin of UFOs actually came from the affected dimensions to prevent further damages? It certainly looks like Earth is going to be 'shut down' because countries do not wish to disarm their nuclear arsenal, which causes the increase of nuclear threats. I wonder if the end-world scenario of '2012' is indirectly caused by this. Humans are going to be kick-out of the Earth school because they have been too uncontrollable and disruptive.

The human race has ET origins and is not an 'original' race. If UFOs can show concern for whatever, it means there could also be beings that administer the on-goings on Earth.

[Wood]

Humans are going to be kick-out of the Earth school because they have been too uncontrollable and disruptive.
Pupils are the responsibility of the teachers. Maybe they have been procrastinating a bit? If this is an school, and I do not think so, it has been poorly run.

[jeannacav]

@BMW


Don't think about it.
Try and keep any thoughts of this subject from your mind,try it, just for arguments sake,and realise what happens.
Cold turkey is a wonderful thing.
If you do manage this amazing feet of mind,then listen to how you feel about it.don't look for your own voice in your head as you will naturally do.don't listen feel in your centre .......are you happy and contented when you do this........or are you filled with dread and uncertainty.........do you feel energetic and proactive...........or are you scared and apathetic.

I hope I have explained this process accurately,but I was shown over a long period of time, not told the formula.

Good job!
This IS a very important question and very hard to describe.
Cold turkey, but when it is your own thoughts, and they are driven by your own body how do you stop the thoughts?
cold turkey? hmmm very difficult.

Thanks for bringing this up.

jeanna

[kcw_one]

It's interesting how convinced we all seem, yet there are so many areas where we disagree . . .

Who in the heck knows what will happen? We all have our opinions based on what we've read and what resonates with us, and we all seem pretty sure that WE have it right. Have we stopped to consider that there may be more than one option available to us at the end of this particular cycle? Rest assured, there is something significant going on here. I can feel it building, can you?

Depending on whose slant on things you subscribe to, any number of possibilities may exist. Stargates offworld, ships waiting to "harvest" willing souls, or maybe even sticking around to experience some kind of vibe shift. Who knows. What I've noticed lately is that my own personal obsession with wanting to know what to expect has drawn me towards to many of these new-agey or alt-media blogger types and their version based on their sources. What I've been neglecting has been my own inner guidance and knowing of what is right for ME. Could be that all of these things are going to happen. When we are talikng about6 billion souls, |I blanch at the idea that there is a ready made solution fit for ALL of those people. How many of us remember how we got here? Or why we came? To me these seem like the most pressing questions to be moving towards. Having an indication of why we came and what we'd planned to get ourselves into might help to ease the monkey mind and its obsession to know everything.

WHAT DOES YOUR HEART TELL YOU?

[ponda]

My heart tells me that i would rather not know what is going to happen, to let it be a surprise and to not worry about it.

You might be right.It'll probably be different for everyone so there might be no use in trying to guess what's going to happen anyway.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

All the recent doom n gloomers regarding 2012 need a swift kick up the backside for causing stress and anxiety to many. There will be nothing of major global problems in 2012, nor in 2011, nor in 2013. Too many jump on the bandwagon and perpetuate the nonsense one or two idiots started over the internet regarding 2012. It snowballed and has ended up with the ridiculous 2012 movement we see everywhere. And as far as ET saving this planets civilisations, maybe, just maybe ET is watching but expects mankind to put its house in order first. Yes there is injustice globally, thousands dying needlessly due to poverty, hunger, desease, ET should not step in as saviors and will not step in, ET sees mankind more than able to rectify global problems if greed, inconsideration and selfishness by those with powers to alleviate global problems, stopped their anti social lifestyles. Mankind must help themselves from within or mankind will never proceed along the evolution path

[KosmicKat]

Under normal circumstances that would be so.
...
One electricity powers the toaster the fridge the TV.
The seeming you and I are actually the one "electricity".
Hard to believe but it is so.

Thank you for the reminder. One of my sources tells me this is an oversimplification, but it will do for me, for now.

[jcocks]

All the recent doom n gloomers regarding 2012 need a swift kick up the backside for causing stress and anxiety to many. There will be nothing of major global problems in 2012, nor in 2011, nor in 2013. Too many jump on the bandwagon and perpetuate the nonsense one or two idiots started over the internet regarding 2012. It snowballed and has ended up with the ridiculous 2012 movement we see everywhere. And as far as ET saving this planets civilisations, maybe, just maybe ET is watching but expects mankind to put its house in order first. Yes there is injustice globally, thousands dying needlessly due to poverty, hunger, desease, ET should not step in as saviors and will not step in, ET sees mankind more than able to rectify global problems if greed, inconsideration and selfishness by those with powers to alleviate global problems, stopped their anti social lifestyles. Mankind must help themselves from within or mankind will never proceed along the evolution path

I totally agree 1000%. I'd add, however, that it is my belief that 98% of the human race are decent, loving, caring people who would feed anyone who was hungry without a second look. It's the other 2% that we have to worry about. The coming few years is all about us, the 98%, retaking control of our planet from the other 2% that hoard the power and more.... And then, a lot of the problems will be taken care of - porvided we can learn how best to handle the power we inherit.

[Teakai]

Dear friend - note that I have never said that "2012 is BS and nonsense".

2012 is clearly very real - it'll last for 12 months, and we'll all experience it!

Part of the problem is that '2012' means very different things to different people.

If you ask 20 different New Age commentators what '2012' means to them, you'll get 20 different answers (maybe more). My own views are specific:


There will be no global cataclysm such as a pole shift or nuclear war. There will be no 'mass ascension'.
The Earth will not divide in two or 'ascend to the fifth dimension' (or anywhere else).
No-one is coming to rescue us or airlift anyone out.
There will be nothing special about 21 December 2012 apart from that the entire New Age community will go temporarily insane, to recover very quickly the next day... after nothing has happened. :)

Besides that - all kinds of important events might occur, and probably will.

Hi Bill - and anyone else who has the same opinion as Bill in regard to 2012 not bringing a cataclysm or nuclear war.
I'm just wondering about your opinion/s as to why you think the huge underground buildings, bunkers - or maybe even cities are being built.

[Teakai]

Trust me: you do not understand spirituality if you're hoping that as soon as you've "completed your learning on Earth" you'd be outta here on the nearest friendly lightship, leaving all the other unfortunates to their grisly fate.

So there's to be a grisly fate, then?????
:jaw:

:laugh: - possibly hysterical.

:wink:

[ponda]

Hi Bill - and anyone else who has the same opinion as Bill in regard to 2012 not bringing a cataclysm or nuclear war.
I'm just wondering about your opinion/s as to why you think the huge underground buildings, bunkers - or maybe even cities are being built.


The underground bases/cities are likely being built under the influence of higher dimensional negative entities who are probably wishing for a worse case scenario.Doesn't mean it's gonna happen.Depending on what might happen the last place you might want to be is stuck in an underground base

[Teakai]

The underground bases/cities are likely being built under the influence of higher dimensional negative entities who are probably wishing for a worse case scenario.Doesn't mean it's gonna happen.Depending on what might happen the last place you might want to be is stuck in an underground base

Thanks for your answer, Ponda , but that seems to be an awful lot of work and expense based on something as flimsy as wishful thinking.

If these are the same beings who have been clever enough to lead the human race into an advanced state of subjugation, without the majority of humans even being aware of it, it would seem reasonable to think that they would have something more substantial to justify their efforts than wishful thinking. IMO.

Also, it sounds by your saying that "the last place you might want to be is stuck in an underground base" is that you think there might be some kind of cataclysm - is that right?

[ponda]

Also, it sounds by your saying that "the last place you might want to be is stuck in an underground base" is that you think there might be some kind of cataclysm - is that right?


Say for example that an upgrade is coming our way via the sun or an energy wave from the galaxy center.If you are way under the ground somewhere then you might miss out.

[Teakai]

Say for example that an upgrade is coming our way via the sun or an energy wave from the galaxy center.If you are way under the ground somewhere then you might miss out.

So Ponda, you're thinking there won't be a cataclysm, but there might be an upgrade - and that the one's making the underground dwellings are unaware of the upgrade and are hoping for a catclysm?

I'm wondering how you view it that 'they' who have managed us all very nicely, wouldn't be aware of a possible upgrade to humans?

And, if 'they' were, why would 'they' go bury themsleves in bunkers and allow it to happen?

Wouldn't 'they' be planning to come out sooner or later?

[ponda]

So Ponda, you're thinking there won't be a cataclysm, but there might be an upgrade - and that the one's making the underground dwellings are unaware of the upgrade and are hoping for a catclysm?


As far as cataclysms go i don't think about it that much.I imagine the negs push that scenario onto us to keep us down and fearful.I'll take my chances on the surface.I wouldn't go down into an underground base if i had the choice.


I'm wondering how you view it that 'they' who have managed us all very nicely, wouldn't be aware of a possible upgrade to humans?


The controllers probably have some idea of what might be coming because they have been here before when something came.I doubt that they know exactly what might be coming(if anything) but they will try to take advantage of any perceived(by them) scenario that they can.Hence underground bases and cataclysm scare propaganda etc.I suspect that a lot of the control measures that are being put into place ie GMO foods,fluoride in water,msm propaganda,education controls,false history records etc are all an attempt to keep us down and make it harder for folks to wake up and prepare for a possible upgrade that 'might' be coming.


And, if 'they' were, why would 'they' go bury themsleves in bunkers and allow it to happen?


If by 'they' you mean the 3d ptw then they probably think that the best way to survive will be underground if they perceive that something dangerous might be coming.Most of them are probably totally unaware that 2012/2013 could be more than just a calendar date and so just carry on as usual.


Wouldn't 'they' be planning to come out sooner or later?


The ptw will look on it with an 'asleep in the matrix' type of outlook.They will come to decisions based on their current reality view point.

[kcw_one]

It's impossible for any of us to really know who is behind these underground base schemes, or what their true purpose is. Could be to just occupy the attention of a bunch of powerful (earthly speaking) folks who would otherwise be running amok. Could be to pave the way for the return of the easter bunny. Hard to say really.

It is possible that the earth really will become uninhabitable in these lower domains (physical 3D/4D reality) as the earth transitions through some kind of upgrade, if you believe in such things. Could be that there are those who have foreseen this and hope to weather the storm in their bunkers, breathing their own farts for lord-knows-how-many years. Again, I dunno. I have heard that there have been these looking glass technologies being used by the shadow folk to look through the timelines, and that they have certain probabilities gamed out, but cannot predict or see beyond a certain date. Hearsay at best, but who's to say.

I for one won't be going into any underground compound, though I doubt I'd get an invite. Same goes with trips off world. Though I've always wanted to take an X-Wing fighter for a rip. Keep in mind that THIS PLANET (momma Earth) is a living sentient being in her own right. Maybe we'd do well to consider what plans she has for herself, since we're mere hitch-hikers on her skin after all. What sort of spiritual path would a being like her be travelling on, and what would its next step look like? Bear in mind that the brains we are thinking with inside these bodies we feed and bathe and entertain are existing in only ONE specific vibrational frequency of reality. What happens on this layer of the game may not be where the big show is happening. There are many other layers of existence that we are unable to perceive with the senses we have access to at the current time. I'm thinking that some little green men showing up in their interplanetary VW beetles are maybe just a sideshow.

We sit here with time left on the clock, wondering and postulating what may or may not happen. I sure hope that there are some significant changes on the way, since I've had quite enough of the controlling BS and general poopyness that is so widely available for experience here on Earth. What form it will take to my mind is not yet clear. I have my suspicions, and the little voice that I listen to when the world goes quiet has given me some insight, but when the time comes we'll all just have to act according to what we feel is the right thing to do at the time in our own given situations. If you're experiencing a rough time of it, be it through conflict or really bad weather or an ex-wife that you just can't shake, then that open door to the hold of a starship may seem pretty inviting. We'll all be drawn towards what is appropriate for us as individuals.

Many comments have been made here on Avalon which pass judgement on the path of others who we perceive as "unawakened." It may be useful to consider that if one is a human being on Earth in 2010 then they are not yet awake, despite what they may have learned. None of us here on the planet really know the full score, and it is foolish to judge the path or choices of others that may not be similar to our own. Some may be deceived and be taken off world through a star gate or spaceship only to wind up in a worse situation. Some of those ships may go to a completely beautiful place of sunshine and lollipops. Some may go underground and get into whatever is going on down there. Or we may all have a good laugh at ourselves in 2013 when nothing of consequence has happened, and it was all just a silly show. No matter what, on a higher level, what we are experiencing now and what we will choose to experience in the future - near and far - is exactly perfect for us AS INDIVIDUALS.

I'm rooting for TEAM VIBE SHIFT 2012! Bring on the 5D shiznit!

[Teakai]

As far as cataclysms go i don't think about it that much.I imagine the negs push that scenario onto us to keep us down and fearful.I'll take my chances on the surface.I wouldn't go down into an underground base if i had the choice.



The controllers probably have some idea of what might be coming because they have been here before when something came.I doubt that they know exactly what might be coming(if anything) but they will try to take advantage of any perceived(by them) scenario that they can.Hence underground bases and cataclysm scare propaganda etc.I suspect that a lot of the control measures that are being put into place ie GMO foods,fluoride in water,msm propaganda,education controls,false history records etc are all an attempt to keep us down and make it harder for folks to wake up and prepare for a possible upgrade that 'might' be coming.



If by 'they' you mean the 3d ptw then they probably think that the best way to survive will be underground if they perceive that something dangerous might be coming.Most of them are probably totally unaware that 2012/2013 could be more than just a calendar date and so just carry on as usual.



The ptw will look on it with an 'asleep in the matrix' type of outlook.They will come to decisions based on their current reality view point.

I'm a bit confused by this comment, Ponda- are you saying that the extensive, multi trillion dollar underground bases are only for propoganda or just in case purposes?

Only - the only people who are aware of them are those who investigate alternate media sources. Most people in general haven't a clue.
And those people are likely to dismiss those who mention their existence as being conspiracy theorists.

I haven't heard the official government or media address anything re:2012.
There was the hollywood movie, but that generally has the effect of fantasising it rather than making people think it's a reality.

Do you have any personal view in regard to what might be coming - if anything?

[ponda]

I'm a bit confused by this comment, Ponda- are you saying that the extensive, multi trillion dollar underground bases are only for propoganda or just in case purposes?

Only - the only people who are aware of them are those who investigate alternate media sources. Most people in general haven't a clue.
And those people are likely to dismiss those who mention their existence as being conspiracy theorists.

I haven't heard the official government or media address anything re:2012.
There was the hollywood movie, but that generally has the effect of fantasising it rather than making people think it's a reality.

Do you have any personal view in regard to what might be coming - if anything?

I suspect that the underground facilities have been built on the influence of higher dimensional negative entities in case of some future unknown event taking place.These bases can also be used for OTHER secret purposes as well.

I doubt that you will hear anything in the msm that is positive or enlightening re: 2012/13 because all of the msm is controlled by the negs.The movie 2012 was a typical worse case scenario msm piece.

What's coming ?

I don't know but i look at it in a positive way.I don't believe that this great awakening that is happening at the moment is just a coincidence.A lot of the stuff that has been prophesied seems to be sort of coming to fruition.There is a lot happening and things seem to be speeding up. I think that we are very fortunate to be around at this time.I think that everyone is going to be in the right place at the right time.

[Bill Ryan]

Trust me: you do not understand spirituality if you're hoping that as soon as you've "completed your learning on Earth" you'd be outta here on the nearest friendly lightship, leaving all the other unfortunates to their grisly fate.

So there's to be a grisly fate, then?????

Made me laugh. But it's an important question.

No, that's not what I meant. I meant that as a caricature that everything in red above, as a packaged bundle, was what was being 'hoped'.

And 'grisly fate' referred to being stuck on Planet Earth for a few thousand more lifetimes. :)

I don't think there will be a grisly fate. This is the point. Therefore there's nothing to be rescued from apart from the hassle of doing what we came here to do, but may have forgotten, or wish we'd never signed up for because the job seems too large.

I call anyone wanting to get airlifted out directly here: YOU ARE ONLY THINKING OF YOURSELVES.

This is what I meant also.... if one has this view above, this is not spirituality. It's get-me-outta-here lack of spirit.

I guess this poor little guy will not get to be airlifted out - because he's not spiritual or evolved enough, right? But some people just want to escape.

We first have to face what we have all done. What we've ALL done. We're ALL responsible for the state of things here.

The strength of my words - and my 'Aussie' humor - comes from how strongly I feel this. Timerty, this is not personal - and I apologize if you feel I've been a bit of a troll on your thread, about which you clearly feel passionately and sincerely - but first go traveling in India or Africa and then come back here to share your spiritual view with us.

http://projectavalon.net/starving_child_stalked_by_vulture.jpg

[Beren]

Bill, I agree here with you. We will have to face the thing that we all did.
No pinkish eyeglasses...

And that is Love! For our own eternal good! Otherwise we will never evolve before Creator.

[jcocks]

We first have to face what we have all done. What we've ALL done. We're ALL responsible for the state of things here.

NO WE ARE NOT ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STATE OF THINGS HERE!!!

We are only responsible in so far as, at some point back in antiquity, we allowed, were tricked into, or were forced to give our power - the power which is our divine birthrigh - away to those who would do things such as in that photo. The idea that we are all responsible for the state of things here is a favorite too of TPTB. :

Me : We're going to ascend!
TPTB : No you're not - look at all the wars, the famine, the violence! Nothing like ascention can happen until we've got rid of all of that....

But take a look at WHO causes these wars, famine, etc? Is it you or me? *NO*! It is those who hoarde the power - those who stole it from us, and who spend so much time and money trying to convince us that we're not worthy of having the power because look at the state of the world....

But it's all a load of *BS* - fed to us to keep them in power. These next few years will be marked by the regaining of our power from those who have misused and kept it from us it for so long.... The re-establishment of a soveriegn human race of powerful human beings.

As we "ascend" beyond the level at which TPTB operate, they will lose their power over us. "Ascention" is a gradual, natural process. Think of it as more akin to evolution. No-one has the right to deny it from us, and No-one - not even the ethiopian in the photo - will be untouched. They may not make it all the way, but even those who leave before the end of the process will have been touched by it...

And no, I don't believe in ufos coming to take us away... It's -NEVER- worked like that in all of history, and it never will... This is a gradual process that we won't really notice fully until it's completed....

It'll be most obvious, IMHO, in just generally better conditions on this planet, and people being nicer, etc...

And It's happening now, but you don't even notice it for the most part...

Just my 2c worth, which I thought I'd like to add....

Joel :)

[Wood]

While I think most people on this forum would agree the world needs a change, I am sure there would be many different views on what needs to be done. Some people even thrive in the current chaos. Some of us would want to see new tech like free, clean energy and better medicine to extend our lives. Some of us would like to go back to a more primitive, tribal world like that of the movie Avatar. Some of us consider this reality so rotten that the world should be destroyed to break the prision walls and rewrite the rules of life (e.g. removing the need to feed on other living beings, this world is a huge slaughterhouse).

In case we all are here to perform a task, all six billion people and trillions of other beings, we'll have some hard time trying to reconcile opposite views. Maybe the current reality is just a consensus reality where everybody is unhappy? Why do we need to fight to impose our views on others? If this world is just a multicultural experiment at soul level to see how well very different spirits get along, I think it is not working at all. And if it is true we are here incarnated to do some task why, oh why, don't we know it clearly? Who charged us with that task? Why did we agree with it if it goes against our beliefs? And if the task is encoded in our deepest beliefs, then we have the problem of the opposite views on what needs to be done.

Having all that in mind I think the harvest idea makes more sense: souls finding their true identity, getting rid of all the external ideas we like to impose on each other, and thus getting ready to go somewhere else more suitable for them. I think the exchange of ideas is a good way to learn but then, at some point, paths diverge. There is no one-size-fits-all solution.

[timerty]

The strength of my words - and my 'Aussie' humor - comes from how strongly I feel this. Timerty, this is not personal - and I apologize if you feel I've been a bit of a troll on your thread, about which you clearly feel passionately and sincerely - but first go traveling in India or Africa and then come back here to share your spiritual view with us.

Oh no, this thread is not about me, my ascension or my level of spirituality. It is not even about the definition of spirituality. I have talked more than enough about Spirituality in my own spiritual Facebook group. This thread was simply created for the discussion of aliens ships that could arrive in 2012. The last time I recall, there have been many points of information regarding the increasing appearances of UFOs and disabled missile silos that have not been sufficiently addressed.

[Bill Ryan]

NO WE ARE NOT ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STATE OF THINGS HERE!!!

We are only responsible in so far as, at some point back in antiquity, we allowed, were tricked into, or were forced to give our power - the power which is our divine birthrigh - away to those who would do things such as in that photo. The idea that we are all responsible for the state of things here is a favorite too of TPTB. :



No, no no - responsibility is not the same as blame.

We're not to blame for what has happened here. But we're responsible to clean it up - or else we'd not be here.

Who else is going to do it? This is what I'm trying to say.

For us to say "It's nothing to do with me - beam me up, please" is a cop-out. Why did we come here, then?

Forgive the direct challenge - my words are not meant to be sharp. It's something I feel very strongly. We all had thousands of planets to choose from. Why did we choose this one? We didn't come here for a holiday... there may be more to it than that, here, and at this time.

[Anchor]

NO WE ARE NOT ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STATE OF THINGS HERE!!!

I read your post. It is really good and speaks to one part of the problem - the part WE ALL know about. Thanks for your post, it has prompted me to gather together some ideas I am working with.

IMHO...

We, know within the limits of our waking conciousness together with our memory of what we have and have not done, and that this is unfair. We know we didn't spill oil in the gulf or start wars etc. In fact we may well have led extremely virtuous lives and are as free as we can be from any taint of that which we feel we ought not do. Why should we pick up the karma tab for that ? Why are we responsible?

We are all connected, but we feel like we are not a lot of the time. We mostly feel individual and our ego/mind intellectually supports the notion that we are made of stuff, are our physical bodies/minds; and most of our baser emotions and drives are very much our own, hunger, sleepiness etc. Yet however, for most people here, our emergent conciousness is somewhat convinced that there is more to it than that. This means there is more than one part to the story. We all know that "feeling" when we are in harmony with friends, that special sharing with lovers. Our individuality becomes blurred at the edges - its not physical though, it is spiritual.

When you look in a mirror, you see an reflection. Intellectually you know it isn't you. You know it isn't capable of doing anything except be a reflection, but what if it were actually concious but you just didn't know it?

Spiritual reality is a bit like this. The mental twist is that we are the reflections of our spiritual selves, but the nature of the game is that our waking conciousness is that of the reflection. We are the reflection of our spiritual selves projected (incarnated) into this illusory consensus reality. In this reality we experience that which we set out to experience. We chose the parameters of this from a spiritual perspective and our pre-incarnative programming was cleverly set so as to enable us to engage the necessary catalyst to stimulate progress in an environment of limited conciousness - behind a veil of forgetful-ness that includes obscuring our true natures from our reflection by the "mirror" between the realms.

I am trying to express the idea that we are more than we normally think we are - and that our greater being, the real sum of who we are, but who most of us are only aware as a faint glimmer is responsible for everything. The more you can think and feel from this perspective the more you see the game, the illusion for what it is, but at the same time, you may well find that your sense of love and compassion is so amplified you are still motivated to conduct yourself in the illusion accordingly - until the proper exit.


All the world is a stage,
and the men and women on it merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts...

Ego defends our lower waking mind from this truth very hard indeed. The notion that we could be responsible for something we didn't think we did is a tough one. You are not supposed to go off on some huge guilt trip either - merely process the catalyst with the available love and light: working through compassion, forgiveness and service to others.

It is all perfect, it is the mind of the one infinite creator after-all! And we are creator fragments of that one, with the freewill to make choices, do practically anything and figure stuff out; and we can make mistakes, we can endure and suffer. All the time we learn, we teach and we learn again.

So we are responsible... but from a higher perspective than we currently see - yet we are all intuitively grasping in varying measures. The more you grasp it, the more responsible you know you will be.

There are no judges in this except ourselves. Freedom comes when you both know this and you stop fear.

The process of ascension as you term it, (and how I have assumed you meant it) has as a symptom, the awakening of the conciousness to the idea that we are all connected and that our egos have been over-fed by opportunists with an interesting agenda. This though was also hatched in the co-created illusion of which we are all a part. It is also about finding out how freaking powerful we are and what we can do with our creative power. This is an ongoing process - with a large congruence among the progress of many of our fellow incarnated other-selves at this time. Congruent also with the Earth's own evolutionary master cycle which is ending soon.

I hope this made a bit of sense. I had fun writing it.

John..

[timerty]

Now I get why responsibility has become a huge issue, because people can't even be responsible and keep to the main topic of this thread. Now it is all so messy with sub-topics and small talk all over the place.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Yes back on track............in short there will be NO off planet visitations by way of airshows over major cities in 2012......from the inside, take it or leave it, but what do I know LOL

[timerty]

Yes back on track............in short there will be NO off planet visitations by way of airshows over major cities in 2012......from the inside, take it or leave it, but what do I know LOL

So, you have nothing to back up your claims?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Some might not wish to believe me even if I explained, its human nature not to, from my liaisons with certain people and from my own people then I will repeat, there will be no mass sightings in the way described by others, there simply is no need for such actions by off planet intelligences, but by saying that it might be possible for a rogue element to be brought in by what you all describe as the powers that be. If you know who I am and what my past has been you might accept my words, if you have no idea as to my identity then please by all means push aside all I say.

[Bill Ryan]

Some might not wish to believe me even if I explained, its human nature not to, from my liaisons with certain people and from my own people then I will repeat, there will be no mass sightings in the way described by others, there simply is no need for such actions by off planet intelligences, but by saying that it might be possible for a rogue element to be brought in by what you all describe as the powers that be. If you know who I am and what my past has been you might accept my words, if you have no idea as to my identity then please by all means push aside all I say.

Yes: if we start to see 'V' or 'Independence Day' scenes, then we might need to flip quickly to this thread:

The False Flag Alien Threat To Frame The ETs As Enemies (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9653-False-Flag-Alien-Threat-To-Frame-The-ETs-As-Enemies)

[greybeard]

Now I get why responsibility has become a huge issue, because people can't even be responsible and keep to the main topic of this thread. Now it is all so messy with sub-topics and small talk all over the place.

I have some sympathy timerty.
Some of the comments would have been better placed on the ego thread.
Trouble is its not easy to have a serious rational discussion on the hypothetical.
Its a may be so!!!!, there is not much concrete evidence to say that any future event will happen.
At the moment its an interesting topic and I wish you well with it.
Wishing you an Exciting Safe and Happy 2011 and 2012
Chris

[Rocky_Shorz]

once again is the thought of how would we really know they are here?

http://spaceweather.com/aurora/images2010/25dec10/Chad-Blakley1_strip.jpg

Northern lights dancing around an object?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

I have some sympathy timerty.
Some of the comments would have been better placed on the ego thread.
Trouble is its not easy to have a serious rational discussion on the hypothetical.
Its a may be so!!!!, there is not much concrete evidence to say that any future event will happen.
At the moment its an interesting topic and I wish you well with it.
Wishing you an Exciting Safe and Happy 2011 and 2012
Chris

Hi Chris, hope that ego remark was not fired off in my direction? I still have to equip myself with that substance called ego as have had no need of it in 40+ years.

[greybeard]

Hi Chris, hope that ego remark was not fired off in my direction? I still have to equip myself with that substance called ego as have had no need of it in 40+ years.

Oh no Spirit Wolf.
It was a generality to include my coments.
Regards Chris

[Carmody]

Well, if it was a simple thing, we would not be here scratching ourselves so hard to find out what is underneath.

[Banshee]

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[Banshee]

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[Ross]

Now I get why responsibility has become a huge issue, because people can't even be responsible and keep to the main topic of this thread. Now it is all so messy with sub-topics and small talk all over the place.

Hi timerty,

The nature of this topic (Arrival of Alien Ships in 2012 Mentioned by Various Project Camelot Sources) offers up plenty of discussion, which is what you wanted. You asked me via PM, why I closed the “SETI Claims Three Giant Spaceships Headed Towards Earth” As I explained to you, it was old news that had done the rounds here on Avalon before and many other forums. I explained to you that that particular thread was a hoax, no substantiated evidence, and full of clues showing it as such.

Part of your explanation in our communication, as to why you thought the thread should not have been closed was this: “by closing the thread, you are only limiting people's freedom of thought and speech based on your own demarcations of the world's view, which is unfair to others”.

I understood your view, and I replied this: “As a suggestion, you could start a thread discussing ET presence and the discussion thereof, so you do not feel we are limiting peoples freedom of thought and speech.”
I also explained to you that an earlier thread (SETI finds Spaceships) posted by Viking, was also closed, at the OP’s request, due to the off topic course it took.

Now, here we are, with this current thread. I personally posted my views on this topic as with all the posters who have contributed. A thread such as this offers up many possibilities as a point of discussion and thus leads us in all directions…it cannot be helped when dealing with this type of topic. It’s not as simple for many readers as say ‘how to make Ice Cream’. There are some very good posts here and some very important issues raised, you can see by how many views it has had, 3,321, at last look.

In retrospect, with this thread starting, (I didn’t think it was a good idea at first due to the 'title' and my opinion of its bogus content) I can see now, that it offers to all readers, points of view, to help people better discern this material. Which has to be a good thing. The level of contribution, on a whole, has been good.

I wish to add this: In less than 2 years we will witness the arrival of 2012, and then the passing of 2012, assuming that the net is still operating, we will have some very important things to discuss over that year and into 2013.
For example, what information, pre 2012, has been correct/partly correct, and what has been complete bogus. That will be very interesting indeed.

Ross

[MiguelQ]

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[Anchor]

Now I get why responsibility has become a huge issue, because people can't even be responsible and keep to the main topic of this thread. Now it is all so messy with sub-topics and small talk all over the place.

timerty,

You didn't exactly stay on topic either I mean what was post #22 all about that was on topic?

I do apologise to you for my contribution toward taking the thread off-topic and will leave it alone from now on.

John..

[kcw_one]

NO WE ARE NOT ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STATE OF THINGS HERE!!!

We are only responsible in so far as, at some point back in antiquity, we allowed, were tricked into, or were forced to give our power - the power which is our divine birthrigh - away to those who would do things such as in that photo. The idea that we are all responsible for the state of things here is a favorite too of TPTB. :

Me : We're going to ascend!
TPTB : No you're not - look at all the wars, the famine, the violence! Nothing like ascention can happen until we've got rid of all of that....

But take a look at WHO causes these wars, famine, etc? Is it you or me? *NO*! It is those who hoarde the power - those who stole it from us, and who spend so much time and money trying to convince us that we're not worthy of having the power because look at the state of the world....

But it's all a load of *BS* - fed to us to keep them in power. These next few years will be marked by the regaining of our power from those who have misused and kept it from us it for so long.... The re-establishment of a soveriegn human race of powerful human beings.

Joel :)

If this is your perspective, then you are looking at only one layer. If you remember that the real you is not what you look at in the mirror as you shave in the morning, then you'll also remember that that part of you is so incredibly powerful that there is no way that it could EVER be decieved into doing something that it was not fully agreeing to be a part of. The part of you that is Joel can, by design, cannot fully grasp all layers of reality in this particular game going on in this one little corner of the cosmos.

The physical human part of us is aghast at the idea that we'd knowingly and willingly get involved in such a yucky place and time like this one. It may be useful to remember that we've not always been the good guys ourselves. If there is anything to the idea of the cycles of reincarnation, it is a probable certainty that we've all experienced lifetimes where we were the aggressor, the black-hatted baby-killer in whatever fragment of life drama that we got ourselves into in any given lifetime. WE'VE DONE IT ALL. I know that this is an uncomfortable thing to accept. In this particular installment of the cosmic soap opera, we happen to have put ourselves on the "good" side of the fence, this being a drama about opposites. We joined in on this ride because we all knew how wonderfully full of pain and joy it would be. What else have supreme beings like us to do besides play these crazy intense games that we've created together?

We all bear responsibility, but not in a "you broke it so now fix it" kind of way. It is ours, all of ours. WE OWN IT, all of us, both the seen and unseen agents of the game. We are responsible for what has happened, and we all get a say in what happens next -- just keep in mind that there could be a lot of different paths leading away from what's happened so far. With 6 billion souls being humans right now, plus the kajillions that are experiencing life in other forms, there are a lot of beings that will be involved in deciding for themselves what they are looking to experience after this installment of the intergalactic space opera is complete.

We've been playing this power game, with some actors being the powerful and some others being the powerless, as yet another type of illusory experience of duality. Opposites. Without actors, there would be no show. Rest assured that we've all taken our turn as the galactic overlords. The story we've swallowed about being deceived and trapped here as the poor defenseless humans is where the BS is. Lower domain yammerings. Sure, it looks awful to see people starving and dying, and it sounds real callous and dismissive to postulate that somehow they would choose that path, because what person would ever choose that? The answer is that no person did the choosing -- it was the greater being who sees things from a much higher perspective who sets these experiences before themselves, for whatever gain they perceive that we cannot.

These ramblings touch on things that are beyond the physical dimensions that are pressing down on us like a mountainous weight, and I freely admit that I may be totally and completely wrong about EVERYTHING. I just write what comes up, based on what I feel as well as what I've pieced together over the years. Follow your won heart,and make up your own damn mind :)

[Banshee]

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[jcocks]

Well, there's already been mass sightings, and no doubt these will increase in scope and number.... But in terms of an orchestrated worldwide event? I guess it is as Bill and SpiritWolf say, only TPTW would have any need to pull that off....

[timerty]

Some might not wish to believe me even if I explained, its human nature not to, from my liaisons with certain people and from my own people then I will repeat, there will be no mass sightings in the way described by others, there simply is no need for such actions by off planet intelligences, but by saying that it might be possible for a rogue element to be brought in by what you all describe as the powers that be.

If Earth is facing a physical planetary threat such as the sun decaying and going supernova or going to blow, then UFOs are certainly in the position to offer assistance in one way or another. Even the Titanic's survivors were assisted by another friendly ship. But of course any form of assistance is up to them, its not like we can predict such a possibility.

UFO sightings have been on the rise and more prominent. We do know that the technology of UFOs/aliens surpasses the level of any military's. Nuclear missile silos have even been disabled by UFOs, and planes out-run. The aliens are certainly intelligent, possess in-the-dot level of responsiveness and are not uninformed. If a rogue element is brought in, it is also possible for rogue elements that are detrimental to the world to be disabled by UFOs since the aliens are so into our business on Earth. So I don't understand the need to focus worries on the rogue element that possess a level of technology far lower than off-world intelligence. We are at the mercy of the UFOs rather than at the mercy of the rogue elements.

[timerty]

timerty,

You didn't exactly stay on topic either I mean what was post #22 all about that was on topic?


I thought that giving my point of view on the Power of Now book would later raise relevant information pertaining to the topic of alien ships. As it turned out, I was wrong. People just like dump their arbitrary stuff and jet off, leaving me to open the package and discover it was a gift that I have no use for and would rather to take it back. This is why it is very important to give people gifts that they want.

Maybe the bringing up of Power of Now book was the message to focus on the present moment, but as we all know that is something only little kids in their little playing houses can afford to do in this moment of humanity's existence on Earth. This is why I called the book "very elementary". Of course I don't spend all my time daydreaming about the future hypothetical events, I spend lots of time focusing on the present need-to-dos in my reality. I don't even have so much time to spend in this forum, my number of posts is so little.

[atut]

I spend lots of time focusing on the present need-to-dos in my reality.

IMHO...

Our life here on earth is not reality, it is just a dream from collective consciousness to learn lesson in 3D world experience.
"God created man to his own image".

Everything is temporary in this life, nothing is permanent. We are nothing.
Therefore do not be attached to something that we love. Sooner or later we will leave someday.

[Bill Ryan]

If Earth is facing a physical planetary threat such as the sun decaying and going supernova or going to blow


The Sun doesn't have enough mass to become a supernova. Its mass is less than the Chandrasekhar mass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrasekhar_limit) (approximately 1.4 Suns) - and it has no way to gain mass.

When the Sun comes to the end of its life (In about 5 billion years) it'll slowly grow into a red giant.

This is the kind of channeled nonsense that discredits the alternative media. Please check your facts before spreading it further.

[timerty]

The Sun doesn't have enough mass to become a supernova. Its mass is less than the Chandrasekhar mass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrasekhar_limit) (approximately 1.4 Suns) - and it has no way to gain mass.

When the Sun comes to the end of its life (In about 5 billion years) it'll slowly grow into a red giant.

This is the kind of channeled nonsense that discredits the alternative media. Please check your facts before spreading it further.



I was constructing a dramatic example, and dramatic examples are usually exaggerated and not based on facts.

[Tuza]

Dear friend - note that I have never said that "2012 is BS and nonsense".

2012 is clearly very real - it'll last for 12 months, and we'll all experience it!

Part of the problem is that '2012' means very different things to different people.

If you ask 20 different New Age commentators what '2012' means to them, you'll get 20 different answers (maybe more). My own views are specific:


There will be no global cataclysm such as a pole shift or nuclear war.
There will be no 'mass ascension'.
The Earth will not divide in two or 'ascend to the fifth dimension' (or anywhere else).
No-one is coming to rescue us or airlift anyone out.
There will be nothing special about 21 December 2012 apart from that the entire New Age community will go temporarily insane, to recover very quickly the next day... after nothing has happened. :)

Besides that - all kinds of important events might occur, and probably will.

Oh Gee, what have we here.

Now correct me if I am wrong folks but I don't think we have adepts on this forum, no clairvoyant master who can say for certainty what is going to appear or disappear in 2012. Yes we all know Blossom's prediction did not come to fruition but no one can say with any certainty exactly what disaster might occur two years down the track.

I myself do hope they turn up in droves up there timerty, I do not like what I see everyday and I would be totally joyous if we could get some major help in getting rid of corrupt governments and living a peaceful, loving life.

As for the motherships out wherever timerty, where they be huge ships or something else, the fact imho is interstellar craft from other galaxies, time or whatever don't have to get here by travelling for years, they get appear above us within an instant. Buy hey that's just mho.

[greybeard]

Oh Gee, what have we here.

Now correct me if I am wrong folks but I don't think we have adepts on this forum, no clairvoyant master who can say for certainty what is going to appear or disappear in 2012. Yes we all know Blossom's prediction did not come to fruition but no one can say with any certainty exactly what disaster might occur two years down the track.

I myself do hope they turn up in droves up there timerty, I do not like what I see everyday and I would be totally joyous if we could get some major help in getting rid of corrupt governments and living a peaceful, loving life.

As for the motherships out wherever timerty, where they be huge ships or something else, the fact imho is interstellar craft from other galaxies, time or whatever don't have to get here by travelling for years, they get appear above us within an instant. Buy hey that's just mho.

Im with you Tuza Ive just watched a video of Nassim Haramein which I placed on the ego thread, so wont repeat here.

In essence he is saying that we pulse in an out of existence every mili second, we go from form to formless and back again
Now he claims that makes it possible for us to move from one place to another in an instant, distance is of no relevance
So more advanced beings may well have mastered that so with but a thought can appear or disappear in UFOs
"Beam me up Scottie" could well be a fact in the very near future.
In the video near the end he also shows pictures of skulls that have been found, they are not human as such, same shape as the crystal skulls in the Indiana Jones film.
I am sure there is enough evidence to positively say that we have been visited by advanced beings who helped in the building of the pyramids etc
There is every chance that we will be visited in the future.
So I suggest that anyone interested in this topic views the video, its long well presented, some not relevant but many gems in there .
for those interested in space travel and spirituality, he brings science and Creator together beautifully.
Chris

[Bill Ryan]

Im with you Tuza Ive just watched a video of Nassim Haramein which I placed on the ego thread, so wont repeat here.

In essence he is saying that we pulse in an out of existence every mili second, we go from form to formless and back again
Now he claims that makes it possible for us to move from one place to another in an instant, distance is of no relevance
So more advanced beings may well have mastered that so with but a thought can appear or disappear in UFOs
"Beam me up Scottie" could well be a fact in the very near future.
In the video near the end he also shows pictures of skulls that have been found, they are not human as such, same shape as the crystal skulls in the Indiana Jones film.
I am sure there is enough evidence to positively say that we have been visited by advanced beings who helped in the building of the pyramids etc
There is every chance that we will be visited in the future.
So I suggest that anyone interested in this topic views the video, its long well presented, some not relevant but many gems in there .
for those interested in space travel and spirituality, he brings science and Creator together beautifully.
Chris

Hi there, Chris -

Of course we've been visited in the past, and will be visited in the future.

Sighting, contact and communication are happening somewhere almost every day round the world - literally.

And I'm as sure as I can be that teleportation is already an operational reality.

None of this is connected with the claimed 2012 mass landings - the subject of the thread - which are belief systems based almost entirely on channeled messages.

To believe that we will be saved by benevolent beings is a New Age Religion.

There's some thin evidence to support that this might happen. But timelines have changed so much since (for instance, the 1980s - when 'Mr' X read the classified documents he reported), that now all bets are off. There's been no nuclear war either - which has also been predicted by insiders, channelers, and contactees alike.

In my view there is currently no basis for rationally expecting mass landings - unless they're a false-flag deception. This is a very important issue indeed.

I think we're in open water here, in which anything can happen at all. That's a good thing. But there are still real threats - the problem with the New Age belief systems is that they disempower us (as all religion does) because we are giving our power away to a hoped-for-benevolent savior.

This is the point... anyone hoping for a savior is likely to be disappointed. We have the job of fixing this ourselves. To wish for anything else is hopeful escapism.

Hoping for the ETs to rescue us, and hoping for the Christian Second Coming, are very similar phenomena.

[greybeard]

Hi Bill
I should have been more specific.
Im with Tuza as far as UFO,s appearing in an instant.
However like you I dont see the human race being rescued en mass or ascending as per New age or second coming belief systems.
However I think its possible that the human race may evolve very rapidly now both spiritually and in our capabilities to get things done in new ways that will be beneficial to the planet and life in general. We may get help with that we may not.
Energy from the sun may bring about change as David Wilcock suggests.
Im open minded.
Basically im agreeing with your take on things Bill.
Thanks for bringing the forum into being it has given me much pleasure over the two years I have been a member of PA 1 and 2.
Chris

[Elandiel BernElve]

Why do people tend to think that when massive et ships would arrive they'd be here to pick us up or "save" the planet.
Duality reigns over this subject. People think there will be no mass landings or giant sightings or if they do take place they will inevitably take some part of the population with them or save this planet.

Maybe the mere presence of some giant objects around our planet is enough of a cataclysm to give us the power to radically change ourselves and our (un)civilizations.
What if in 2012 the concerning objects (or others) will be arriving here and remain visible for all to see.
No further interference is required for us humans to make some giant leaps forward once such events would take place.
They wouldn't need to land, they wouldn't need to move, they wouldn't need to save anything.

And don't get me started about the prime directive. China's first emperor came down in a shiny dragon of fire and walked out of the belly of that dragon. When the Empire had been founded and his mission was complete, the "divine" emperor went back in the belly of the dragon and with fire flew back to the heavens to leave its legacy to its successor.
(source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread459147/pg1)
For example read the Gods of Eden for more occurances.
Prime directive you say? This is ancient aliens in your face i guess... they never really cared.

I find it hard to form a doubtless opinion on this subject, imo there are too many possibilities and too much speculation and subjective opinions thrive on this subject to be sure about what will happen. Any in depth addition to this discussion or thought out point of view that would make sense is deeply appreciated.
But in the end we'll all have to wait and see until the actual moment is there. Considering time is non-linear it could be practically anything.

Maybe as a youngster on this forum I should remind the old folks not to get tangled up in who's the most wrong or right in things yet to unfold.
We should remain focused on the here and now, feel responsible for the more urgent matters of our lives.
Maybe while scrutinizing this forum you missed an opportunity to make someone elses life better in real-time by having a conversation with words, sounds and mimic.
Feeling the warmth and appreciation of company. Wandering around with your kid in the woods, to find out after all truth comes from within and this earth actually is quite beautiful.

The more we spend time here discussing events we simply won't fully grasp until a researcher or someone from the upper echelons of control releases some valuable info the more time we'll loose changing our home planet right now.

Be on your way with love & peace :)

[jcocks]

Yes it's amazing how fast these sorts of discussions degenerate into bunfights bewtween those who believe we'll have mass sightings, and those who don't. Personally I think it will take something like mass sightings to wake much of humanity up. Too many people are of a "If I can't see it, then it doesn't exist" mentality. All they will need to do is be seen, and it's our job to assimilate that whichever way we will....

I'd love to be proven wrong, that we can broaden our mindset by ourselves, but I don't see it happening. People are waking up, but not in the numbers required to make a real difference. Not yet.

Joel

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Thats true, no adepts, BUT what we do have here are people with enough common sense and logic, plus some of us have been close to the insides for a very long time, occasionally working alongside the black hats in order to see whats planned, discussed, to know. Years and years of experience within many areas. So we have an educated guess and say all the doom n gloomers and the channeled nonsense comes to nothing. Its scaremongering and when it comes to ET in ships coming to save us from some fate or other it will not be in the romantic way many of you think. Get a grip people please. Mankind will not be wiped out by rogue hostile ETs, will not be culled by the controllers no matter how much they wish for that, with a twinkle in my eye which you cannot see I KNOW THIS. But feel free to carry on chasing your tails, keeps you occupied I guess.

[jcocks]

But feel free to carry on chasing your tails, keeps you occupied I guess.


Hehehe... Yeah, but that's the problem, you see..... Too many of us spend so much time navel-gazing and chasing our own tails that we don't take the time to actually look around us and actually see the changes occurring before our very own eyes!..... ANd that's mostly by design - Ever noticed how all those promises of how in the future we'd all be working from home and having more time to spend with the family due to the technological advances amounted to nothing?

And to all those who don't believe in ascention : If we were to ascend to the "4th dimension" tomorrow, how would we know we were there?

[Banshee]

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[Bill Ryan]

And to all those who don't believe in ascention : If we were to ascend to the "4th dimension" tomorrow, how would we know we were there?

To all those who think this is a meaningful statement - it is not! :)

It's like saying hey, we were all transported to a different universe a moment ago - but it's just the same as this one, and there's no way to know.

Here's another version: you were created a moment ago with all your memories. That's meaningless, too. It's untestable and unverifable. So is solipsism. The list goes on.

These sentences seem like they mean something, because they're grammatically correct linguistic constructions. But the meaning is an illusion. Do you see?

[Celine]

Illusion is fading.

it seems we are developing new skills to discern truth

[Snowbird]

This is one of things what make me interested in 2012 topic. UFO mass landing in 2012; many have told about this. Tibetan Buddhist monks also see UFO mass landing in 2012. (http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/12-26-04.asp)
I think it will be something spectacular major event in 2012.

But I have just got confused this few days by Bill's statement. His new source was telling him that 2012 is BS and nonsense.

I have followed Bill's work so far and I think his statement quite credible. I always agree what he tells.

atut, I just now read this article from your post #5. This is excellent! Thanks for posting this.

And by the way, Welcome! :biggrin1:

[timerty]

I am really curious to the unanimous agreement of a handful of people who are very certain that even though they believe in UFOs, but they are certain that the UFOs will never accommodate humans on board their vessels. I would like to hear from every individual their sources for their information or their reason for believing so.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

I base my conclusions of the fact that OPI will not arrive en masse to save mankind in the way stated herein, on many years being a researcher/investigator since 1966, being on the inside and privy to certain info, UK and US agencies, plus occasional input from colleagues in Russia, plus my origins and those I am aligned with. Thats what I base my conclusions on. Plus a little bit of logic, common sense and foresight. Now, as for everyone else...........

One thing, I never said that OPI will never accomodate mankind on their ships, under certain conditions this might well be an option but one not envisioned to be initiated any time soon

[Snowbird]

I've come across data in too many places to mention suggesting that offworlders will be arriving at some point in the future, many pointing to the very near future as the probable time period. This is a major underpinning of much of the new-age / alt-media soup we've all been sampling. Some say they're coming to wipe us out and steal our planet, some figure they want to come and give us all anal probes and make some kind of hybrid franken-race, and yet others make 'them' out to be the good guys that will swoop in to rescue us all from our own folly, either by fixing our mistakes for us or whisking us away on their ships off to destinations unknown but decidedly spacey. Who's to say what will really happen. Me, I've never (knowingly) met anyone not born here on momma Earth, so I'm not even certain there are such topsoils out there, tentacles or otherwise.

Some of the major and benevolent groups are already here and have been here for some time. Pleiadians, Andromedans, Arcturians and Sirians and also the Hathors and many others are here and have been here to help and to guide those who are open and willing. We just can't see them until they make themselves known to us for reasons sometimes unknown to us.


I do have some strong gut-feelings about what's going on, though that is of almost no consequence to anyone other than me. I'll share anyway, cuz you never know who might find my perspective of some small value . . .

I am one of those. :high5:


Earth's elite has been in contact with at least one group (probably many more than one, an probably more that one elite earth faction has made contact) of beings from offworld. These groups are from different places, and most probably have different agendas. Some may see themselves as wanting to help us out like an older sibling, or may feel some sense of ownership of earth or humanity, having taken part in contributing to the genetic makeup of our particular version of people. Who knows. Rest assured that any group now in contact with humans, whether through face-to-face contact or otherwise (channelling etc.), has a reason for being around these parts at this particular time.

I think that the main reason for their presence is to help us and help Earth to go through the massive changes now in progress. This, by the way, includes our acceptance and participation into the universal family.


I get the feeling that the offworlders will indeed be revealed to us all at some point, and I think then is the time to pay close attention. Offers to rescue or help us evacuate for some reason may come. I for one will be staying here with momma earth. I have a strong tickle in the spidey sense that any of these groups promoting scenarios resulting in a percieved need to leave the planet are not for me. That's not to say that those opportunities wouldn't be totally appropriate for the ones who are drawn to them.

I agree.


Someone asked in an earlier post how to tell the good guys from the bad guys. My response to that is that you will just know. I feel that by the time these guys show up on the scene, anyone dedicated to raising their vibe will feel for themselves which path is right for them. How does one know if one has taken the right path? By seeing that one's feet are upon it.

Well said. :wave:

[timerty]

I base my conclusions of the fact that OPI will not arrive en masse to save mankind in the way stated herein, on many years being a researcher/investigator since 1966, being on the inside and privy to certain info, UK and US agencies, plus occasional input from colleagues in Russia, plus my origins and those I am aligned with. Thats what I base my conclusions on. Plus a little bit of logic, common sense and foresight. Now, as for everyone else...........

One thing, I never said that OPI will never accomodate mankind on their ships, under certain conditions this might well be an option but one not envisioned to be initiated any time soon

I see, do you also have any conclusions as to the purpose of UFOs appearing in Earth's atmosphere?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Do you mean the OPI ones or the military craft sent globally on various missions?

[timerty]

Do you mean the OPI ones or the military craft sent globally on various missions?

I mean the OPI ones?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Differing races with differing agendas but some are simply watching over this planet, watching mankinds progress or non progress. Some might well be overseeing 'the experiment' they created, different races have had a hand in mankinds evolution over time and different agendas play out above the planet and thru dimensions.

[Dale]

A very interesting conversation developing.

I've been interested in the "UFO phenomena" since I was a child; my grandfather gave me to hold for a few moments several large, black and white prints of silvery, disk-shaped craft. Since then, it's been an ongoing quest for me. To get to the bottom of this phenomenon.

What I've come to notice is a general theme of non-interference; much like that of which occurs between fellow researchers in a laboratory setting regarding each others' experiments. It seems the vast majority of ET beings are simply observing this zoo of a planet, and her many inhabitants. That's not to say all beings are of the highest intentions, but to say instead that a mutual feeling of "respect" is given toward this planet, as not to harm her, nor her inhabitants.

At least by the majority of the visitors.

I seem to think a "mass landing" in 2012, or such a similar situation, would be against this pattern the visitors seem to hold.

[Snowbird]

I'm a bit confused by this comment, Ponda- are you saying that the extensive, multi trillion dollar underground bases are only for propoganda or just in case purposes?

Only - the only people who are aware of them are those who investigate alternate media sources. Most people in general haven't a clue.
And those people are likely to dismiss those who mention their existence as being conspiracy theorists.

I haven't heard the official government or media address anything re:2012.
There was the hollywood movie, but that generally has the effect of fantasising it rather than making people think it's a reality.

Do you have any personal view in regard to what might be coming - if anything?

Cataclysm can be defined in several ways. For instance, during one of the many hundreds of videos that I have viewed, it was stated that one of the reasons that the alleged underground facility in Denver in the location of the weird Denver airport was built, was to be used by the English royals in case of mini-ice age. Please don't ask me to find this info...I wouldn't know where to begin. However, I also saw/read/heard that the queen's representatives were buying up some properties around the Denver area. Is this true? I don't know.

Volcanoes erupting would also be defined as cataclysm, as those closest who are members of the groups of controllers would use the underground facilities to escape.

However, for those controllers who believe that they will escape underground from the massive changing energies happening now and into the future, they're dreaming....this could turn out to be their worst nightmare ever.

[lightblue]

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I seem to think a "mass landing" in 2012, or such a similar situation, would be against this pattern the visitors seem to hold.

what is the difference between "seeming to think" and thinking?




What I've come to notice is a general theme of non-interference; much like that of which occurs between fellow researchers in a laboratory setting regarding each others' experiments


i would like to know how did you notice it?

thanks lb

[Bill Ryan]

[COLOR="#00bfff"]Cataclysm can be defined in several ways. For instance, during one of the many hundreds of videos that I have viewed, it was stated that one of the reasons that the alleged underground facility in Denver in the location of the weird Denver airport was built, was to be used by the English royals in case of mini-ice age. Please don't ask me to find this info...I wouldn't know where to begin. However, I also saw/read/heard that the queen's representatives were buying up some properties around the Denver area. Is this true? I don't know.

Kerry and I were told personally by an insider based in Colorado that the Queen had indeed invested in a specially designed underground facility - which [B]I believe (and I can't find the reference right now!) he said was in the Estes Park area. This is about 70 NW of Denver airport.

Estes Park is a mountain resort - image below.

http://www.hauntedcolorado.net/sitebuilder/images/Estes_Park-600x390.png

[Celine]

does this help?

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/reply.php?messageid=964652&page=7&quote=15574848

[Dale]

what is the difference between "seeming to think" and thinking?

Likely only the grammar. I didn't mean for there to be a difference, and apologize for any confusion.




What I've come to notice is a general theme of non-interference; much like that of which occurs between fellow researchers in a laboratory setting regarding each others' experiments


i would like to know how did you notice it?

Through many, many hours of deep conversation with highly knowledgeable individuals; most of whom I consider trustworthy, close, educated friends and colleagues. I tend to feel disenchanted toward the "alternative thought circuit," so the vast majority of my opinions and attitudes stem not from what Mr. Wilcock, or Mr. Icke state, but instead from what experiences I've somehow stumbled into.

[timerty]

Differing races with differing agendas but some are simply watching over this planet, watching mankinds progress or non progress. Some might well be overseeing 'the experiment' they created, different races have had a hand in mankinds evolution over time and different agendas play out above the planet and thru dimensions.

I see, so you are talking about the law of non-interference, which is what Dale has mentioned. I am very familiar with this factor, which I have already taken into account when I started this thread. This law does not necessarily last forever.

[Snowbird]

Kerry and I were told personally by an insider based in Colorado that the Queen had indeed invested in a specially designed underground facility - which I believe (and I can't find the reference right now!) he said was in the Estes Park area. This is about 70 NW of Denver airport.

Estes Park is a mountain resort - image below.

http://www.hauntedcolorado.net/sitebuilder/images/Estes_Park-600x390.png

Whoa, that is a beautiful area Bill!

Have you heard that the Denver area is also to soon become the replaced Washington D.C.? I have heard (the source eludes me) that the CIA headquarters has already moved into the Denver area.

TIA :wave:

[Banshee]

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[wynderer]

A very interesting conversation developing.

I've been interested in the "UFO phenomena" since I was a child; my grandfather gave me to hold for a few moments several large, black and white prints of silvery, disk-shaped craft. Since then, it's been an ongoing quest for me. To get to the bottom of this phenomenon.

What I've come to notice is a general theme of non-interference; much like that of which occurs between fellow researchers in a laboratory setting regarding each others' experiments. It seems the vast majority of ET beings are simply observing this zoo of a planet, and her many inhabitants. That's not to say all beings are of the highest intentions, but to say instead that a mutual feeling of "respect" is given toward this planet, as not to harm her, nor her inhabitants.

At least by the majority of the visitors.

I seem to think a "mass landing" in 2012, or such a similar situation, would be against this pattern the visitors seem to hold.

re the non-interference -- i think it was in the Project Camelot interview w/John Lear where he says that most ETs /UFOs are here to watch the humans destroy ourselves w/our primitive weapons

[wynderer]

There will be no rescue, no airlift and no spacecraft turning up to save us...

And if Aliens have been 'saving' us from ourselves by disabling missile silos, why dont they care about the 22,000 children that die every day around the world, or, The Great Chinese Famine between 1959-1962 estimated 20,000,000-43,000,000 deaths from starvation? or the genocide of around 11,000,000 inflicted by Nazi Germany? I could flll this page with statistics which would shock most here at the amount of needless deaths in the last 50 years let alone the last 100. Perhaps the 'Saviour' ET's were not around at these times?.

Why do they only care about Atomic WMD's? They were a bit late with the 70,000–80,000 people, or some 30% of the population of Hiroshima and the 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki deaths, of which 98% were innocent...There was plenty of testing done before 'fat boy' was dropped....or were they not listening/watching or aware of such?... Does not make sense to me.

"we will save you from nuclear war"... but not any other type of war?...of which there are at least 40 wars on this planet presently, civil and invaded.

Or is it the argument that we are ready for saviour now?

7 billion people, of which only a minority live with food, water, power, social services and education on a daily basis...or does the meek only get saved?... Oh, I just about forgot... perhaps only the conscious awakened higher vibrating few will be saved...if thats the case they wont need too many ships, perhaps only one? 250km in size should do it?

Yes, you can tell I'm somewhat desensitized to the whole saviour trip and I apologise for my 'in your face post'. Nothing personal intended towards anyone here...we are all trying our best to discern whats going on, I have said before that the 'Truth' has lost all meaning...if it ever had any meaning at all...

We all will continue into 2011 and onwards learning to better discern...but, ET's wont be turning up to intervene/save us.

Ross

also -- what about all the tests of bombs -- hundreds, maybe thousands -- that have already nuked the planet to some extent? & the DU being used in various little wars going on now? like that song by Kate Bush, where she sings that we all have twinkling bits of plutonium in our lungs

it could be that some ETs may not allow all-out nuclear [or scalar] war, only because such a war may affect more than just Earth -- our solar system, or maybe further into the galaxy

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Precisely, a certain OPI element will not allow mankind as a race to be destroyed, nor the living planet housing life, but its not going to interfere with the children playing with fire and watch them burn their fingers hoping they will learn lessons, I'm sure you catch my drift?

[timerty]

What I've come to notice is a general theme of non-interference; much like that of which occurs between fellow researchers in a laboratory setting regarding each others' experiments. It seems the vast majority of ET beings are simply observing this zoo of a planet, and her many inhabitants. That's not to say all beings are of the highest intentions, but to say instead that a mutual feeling of "respect" is given toward this planet, as not to harm her, nor her inhabitants.

At least by the majority of the visitors.

I seem to think a "mass landing" in 2012, or such a similar situation, would be against this pattern the visitors seem to hold.

Actually from my point of view, non-interference does not mean that aliens would have to leave humans to their physical fate on the planet. Non-interference means the non-interfering with the people's level of mental/spiritual evolution.

What we need to evolve ourselves is given to us without interference(the planet for example), but how we evolve our mental/spiritual selves is up to us.

Your definition of non-interference is incomplete because you derived it from the factors observed from the early stages of the "experiment". This form of non-interference(hidden aliens) would not be applicable in the ending stage because this would mean that the aliens would have to hide away from the evolved humans and not interact with them for the whole of eternity.

Therefore I believe those who can handle the alien experience are those who are sufficiently evolved mentally/spiritually. And this is why I do not discount the possibility of alien ships landing on Earth.

[Beth]

I am really curious to the unanimous agreement of a handful of people who are very certain that even though they believe in UFOs, but they are certain that the UFOs will never accommodate humans on board their vessels. I would like to hear from every individual their sources for their information or their reason for believing so.

You might lend your next door neighbor a cup of sugar or a can of soup, but you're not going to completely drop everything in your life to fix everything going on in the neighbor's home.

There! That's my reasoning! :)

[Harley]

You might lend your next door neighbor a cup of sugar or a can of soup, but you're not going to completely drop everything in your life to fix everything going on in the neighbor's home.

There! That's my reasoning! :)

I'm outa beer. I'll come vacuum your living room!

There, see? WE MUST LEARN TO HELP EACH OTHER!!!!!

(Besides, it's way more rewarding!)

:)

[Beth]

I'm outa beer. I'll come vacuum your living room!

There, see? WE MUST LEARN TO HELP EACH OTHER!!!!!

(Besides, it's way more rewarding!)

:)

*Note to self: buy beer so ETs help me*

:P

[Tuza]

Until we are living in the year 2012 anything that is said about it is just conjecture. We can discuss it for the next two years with one side saying what they feel they know for sure through sources or other means; and others putting their thoughts across, but when it comes down to it it is just all speculation.

What I can say is I hope during that year a lot of change happens, the corrupt cabal disappears into the ether, the benovolents appear to those that can see them through their awakened selves, etc, etc, I hope there is total change for the better.

Thanks goes to you timerty for your very interesting thread on this topic.

[atut]

I also saw/read/heard that the queen's representatives were buying up some properties around the Denver area.

Kerry and I were told personally by an insider based in Colorado that the Queen had indeed invested in a specially designed underground facility

Why did the queen invested/bought it?

[Tuza]

Why did the queen invested/bought it?

Well before I try to answer that question to the best of my ability, the royal family of Britain are one of the richest families in the world so therefore if they do want to purchase property anywhere it is not much of a task for them to do so.

As far as buying property there, well as members have said probably state of the art underground town, city, whatever down there.

I don't know why they just didn't bother morphing and tunnelling somewhere themselves, might have been a tad cheaper.

[timerty]

You might lend your next door neighbor a cup of sugar or a can of soup, but you're not going to completely drop everything in your life to fix everything going on in the neighbor's home.

There! That's my reasoning! :)

Thank you. I'm gathering as much possible responses as I can to prepare for the future. The 2 years ahead could be very unpredictable.

[Bill Ryan]

Actually from my point of view, non-interference does not mean that aliens would have to leave humans to their physical fate on the planet. Non-interference means the non-interfering with the people's level of mental/spiritual evolution.

That depends on the nature of the experiment. The ETs' point of view might not be the same as yours or mine.

[Micjer]

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John Micheal Jenkins on this subject on Coast to Coast Dec 21 2010

[Banshee]

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[jcocks]

Until we are living in the year 2012 anything that is said about it is just conjecture. We can discuss it for the next two years with one side saying what they feel they know for sure through sources or other means; and others putting their thoughts across, but when it comes down to it it is just all speculation.

What I can say is I hope during that year a lot of change happens, the corrupt cabal disappears into the ether, the benovolents appear to those that can see them through their awakened selves, etc, etc, I hope there is total change for the better.

Thanks goes to you timerty for your very interesting thread on this topic.

I personally think we should watch what happens next year (2011) moreso than 2012. By the end of 2011 it will become very obvious what to look out for in 2012, and it is my belief that a *LOT* will happen next year, so much so that by the end of it, we may not even really care anymore what happens in 2012....

[Victoria Tintagel]

ET GO HOME......... to planet Earth. For a change.

[Carmody]

well, if we are all incarnating individuals..here..to learn things..and the limits or the controls are the physical expression of DNA as an organized vehicle....then the player in the vehicle is not critical to the 'staging of the play' but the 'DNA vehicle' is central to the continued evolution of the vehicle. This, so the player in the mask can evolve within a slowly more..evolved and evolving vehicle.

This takes one to the doorstep of the Micheal Newton books, and the works of Dolores Cannon. It also satisfies the whole DNA/abduction semi-non interference scenarios that we see being bandied about. It also satisfies the works of the Buddhists and similar orientations/religions, authors who speak on ghosts and soul handling (exorcisms, releasing souls, wayward spirits, nearby astral realms, etc, etc).

It is not a leap to say with with the right kind of glasses and the right fitting of the material/information..... that a consensus can be reached in that way which satisfies all known (or suspected) parameters. Except for one. Reptilians.(suspected).

A key point is that in all of this the whole system of or idea of a soul or 'occupant of the vehicle' gaining useful evolution or insight...depends quite heavily on the condition of an amnesiac existence while being an occupant of said meaty vehicle. This follows through in the aspects of lessons of the psyche or ego.(as above, so below) For one to gain insight the situations must be real, otherwise, nothing comes of it.

IF..any of the above is true then the point may be to shift the game at the higher levels of the 'span of awareness levels' (ignorant to illuminated) while keeping those ignorant of the situation..ignorant for as long as possible ...so as to not ruin their chances of gaining illumination from playing out organized games among themselves in the form of learning truly felt and 'really real' games.

In that way, those who have been overtaken by their body response (a desired part of the game, the set up for lessons) in their incarnation..those incarnating and 'fallen' characters COULD be working with an interfering aspect of the game, ie reptilians. An outside crew of an interfering nature that is here to feed off of this 'incarnating game' of extra dimensional schooling.

This could also be seen as an expansion of the incarnating game, at the same time. An almost fiendishly complex scenario that keeps the game covered, which if true -is to be expected. My point about the more aware being involved with an interfering group, ie reptilians, and 'the game' being one of amnesiac lives lived for the vast number of players in this giant school, then..one could say that.... the illuminated or the group of more evolved souls..THEY play out their expanding evolution in the same game... but at a separate level. A level that the other may not be aware of ....and it is, in the context of the game, desirable that they (the less evolved) never understand it. Until their evolution calls for it. If that be true, it might be seen that some clashing and integration of the two be unavoidable.

So a message for those who are involved around the more complex or elevated level of the game might be that, hey, this thing is going off course, and this will not be tolerated and will not be allowed. In fact, one might see then, that if this involves what one could call 'beings that have full understandings of time and all its possible variants and paths', then... it IS possible to inject controls into the system, for the purposes of repair and maintaining potentials within paths. No answers, just questions. For that is the point.

This can then evolve into seeing planetary cycles as discrete 'pumps' or cycles of the incarnating game.

Open storyboards have a way of accepting just about any data.... and this does indeed help ignorance to evolve (as an of expression of human evolution and subsequent capacity for complexity) .... which to the game, would actually be desirable. (Ignorance and confusion, even in the ramparts!) For it leaves choice squarely on the table for all participants. For...if all of the above is true in context and spirit (pun intended) ....for "the game", all would be necessary --as a key point. An unknown door at all levels would need be present in order to maintain ignorance and thus a drive (through the vehicle, the body's impetus), a need for individual 'choice'.

In the context of all of that, One could then say that this current situation may be a correction or fix within the group of more evolved souls or incarnating that are 'having it out' in their various ways. But that..as much as possible within the context of allowing free will in a controlled gaming environment...that the lower levels of evolution will not be allowed to be interfered with -with respect to their evolution. In that a fix may occur, but only at the higher levels of the evolved who are incarnating and playing about. A fix, a correction that allows the game to continue.

So, in effect ....no giant ships, no ascension, no big change, just a correction......and continuance. The way it's seemingly always been, in this particular cycle.

It seems we are on the edge of something akin to that.

As I said, only one way of seeing it. There are many and that may be part of it. Life as a Mobius strip of a karmic wheel, entirely intentional.

[Victoria Tintagel]

Hi Avaloneans, imagine what horrors will appear when we manifest our fears without time delay, during a 3 day poleshift or a long term steadily implosion of the electro-magnetic field, of this planet Earth and our brain. The EM field determines the delay of time, between thought and the manifestation of that thought. During the present energetic shifting of Earth's North-South axis, the time delay is decreasing, causing a kind of "instant-karma" effect. This is the cause of our feelings of time speeding up, or intensifying of our lives. If I remember well, it takes 7 seconds to manifest.................... :p just read Shadowstalker's great fun thread, ha ha.......

Let's join our intentions to synchronise these 2 events:
One is the arrival at a state of LOVE for ALL LIFE , including ourselves :) on this beautiful planet: the 5th dimension and higher.The other is joining with family out there, who are waiting for humans on Earth to release their fears, cause they cannot sustain themselves ,within these lower vibrations. Dimensions aren't "things" we jump into our out of, like a bus. Dimensions are states of consciousness and the steadily change from levels within each dimension, is what's giving us the impression, for example, that nothing happens or that it's passing by almost unnoticed, even fluctuating: a back and forth movement is part of the difficulty to define dimensions. Neither is it of real importance to label our existence as such, cause the real deal is our capacity to surrender ourselves to unconditional love, in the way that suits our nature, heart and temperament, individually. There is no one-size-fits-all recipee to live in Paradise. Thank God :)
Blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

[Snowbird]

Originally Posted by Snowbird
I also saw/read/heard that the queen's representatives were buying up some properties around the Denver area.


Originally Posted by Bill Ryan
Kerry and I were told personally by an insider based in Colorado that the Queen had indeed invested in a specially designed underground facility.


Originally Posted by Atut
Why did the queen invested/bought it?

From what I understand, the royals are concerned about a mini ice age developing. The weather conditions in the UK presently may or may not be indicating the start of this.

I also recall having seen a video that showed the underground facility under the Denver, CO airport, where the royals would be housed. Was this thing built specifically for them and their entourage? I don't know. I do know that if the royals ever had to utilize this underground area, it will be a far, far cry from what they are accustom to.

[shiva777]

Jerry Wills, Council of World's extraterrestrial from Tau Ceti, speaks his truth on 2012: Part 2
September 9th, 2010 5:21 am PT.Jerry Wills is an accomplished healer, explorer, and musician with the band UFAUX who recently participated in a world webcast in which Mr. Wills discussed his identity as an extraterrestrial from the Tau Ceti star system (12 light years from Earth) left here as an infant as part of a project of the Council of Worlds for the betterment of Earth. Mr. Wills has consented to an in-depth exopolitical interview with ExopoliticsTV and Alfred Lambremont Webre.

In this 4-part video interview, Mr. Wills, who is 6 feet 8 inches tall, talks about how he was adopted by a human family, how he dealt with his unusual abilities growing up, how he was visited regularly by an extraterrestrial delegation that briefed him on his extraterrestrial identity and his mission, how during these visits he was told to watch for specific signs during the 18-year period preceding 2012 as to whether the earth and the human population would veer toward peace or war, and how these visits stopped on the day of September 11, 2001, Mr. Wills’ birthday and the date a regularly scheduled visit was of the extraterrestrial delegation to occur.

In conversation with Alfred Lambremont Webre, Mr. Wills speaks about the 2012-13 catastrophic timeline and the 2012-13 positive timeline and what this means to all of us.
4 part video...part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI8a4oSJ6do&feature=related

[Dale]

From what I understand, the royals are concerned about a mini ice age developing. The weather conditions in the UK presently may or may not be indicating the start of this.

I also recall having seen a video that showed the underground facility under the Denver, CO airport, where the royals would be housed.

I have often wondered about the underground facilities, and their possible role in housing royal, or elite, families in the future. I believe that certain underground structures were, in fact, designed to house individuals in the event of a cataclysm; but are more-so the equivalent to a basement, than a necessity.

We have basements, or cellars, installed here in the Midwest for the odd chance a tornado may sweep through town, leveling our homes in the process. Though it's highly unlikely this would ever occur, many in the area will still have a cellar dug in case of such an event, as a precaution.

And if nothing ever occurs, it's still a wonderful place to keep all of your paperwork and business out of sight ;)

[Carmody]

One must admit, though... that the vision of All of them tightly packed like in a can of sardines, in a hole in the ground.....does have a certain amount of appeal.

I'll get the shovel and the bucket of lime. Always ready to do my bit and help out.

edit: My exceedingly dry humour seems to have stopped the thread cold. Ah well.

[NoTingles]

Carmody,
That was pretty funny, the way you put it. I too think it odd, and my "commoner" sense tells me, they have just dug their own graves.

What does it mean, when we talk about "Ascension". If I come to you and tell you, "You should listen to me because I am ascended! I have intact memories of all my previous lives! I tell you that you too must become ascended by following me, so that you will be prepared for when our ancestors from of old, who are also ascended, will arrive to take us home," what would one think of me?
I won't tell anyone what to think. That would be reprehensible. But if it were me, I would think: If any man, or woman tells you they have ascended into perfection, they are lying to you, or they are deluded, but in any case, not trust worthy.

How do we know that outworlder spacecraft are going to come to take us off, just in the nick of time? We have not one shred of hard intelligence on this. I don't see any need to jump on the band wagon either. The problem with doing that is there is always another band wagon coming along. Are we going to jump on that next one too? OK...we see the footage of innumerable objects in the space immediately adjacent to the MIR station. I see them, and you see them. Now, what are they? Until you hold one in your hand, and can read the nomenclature from the ID tag, you do not KNOW what they are. If you want to speculate, speculate till the cows come home, but I don't think anyone can say, those ARE the spacecraft of other races of the galaxy. In spite of what we see in those NASA videos, we still don't know. You might say, what else could they be? And that's a good point, but consider the quality of what passes for evidence: They are blurry, the resolution isn't that good, like bootleg copies of screen captures and without telemetry, you don't really know much about them, only they are objects. It's not enough to go on.

I think we can rest assured on some things like, if there was ever a time in the history of mankind to become consciously aware of what it is to be human, and to strive for being as excellent a human as possible, now is that time. Now is always the best time. It wasn't yesterday, as if resting on laurels makes you better today, and it isn't put off until tomorrow, because then it will never get done. Now is always the best time, and I think we've seen enough results of our errors, that none can argue; there's no good reason for holding off any longer. I'm reminded here of that wisdom, paraphrased from Tolkien's Gandalf: You have been given the precious gift of time; it's up to you to decide how to best make use of it.

I've given a lot of thought of late to the question about bases on Mars and the Moon. These seem to be inextricably linked in to the UFO discussion. I have believed they exist. I have written about them. I have to admit that I really don't know if they do or not. It occurs to me, that our becoming beautiful human beings doesn't depend on them being there, or not, and that process is so much more and vitally important that Mars bases pale in comparison.

[timerty]

So a message for those who are involved around the more complex or elevated level of the game might be that, hey, this thing is going off course, and this will not be tolerated and will not be allowed. In fact, one might see then, that if this involves what one could call 'beings that have full understandings of time and all its possible variants and paths', then... it IS possible to inject controls into the system, for the purposes of repair and maintaining potentials within paths. No answers, just questions. For that is the point.

I think the game is not to be corrected but is ending. Both correction and ending are actually similar in the way that a correction is just like a restart that is also like a form of ending of a phase.

Either scenario of correction or ending is dependent on which side the game is being viewed from, how one can perceive the overall progress of the game's true objective.

From the perspective of the lower functioning players in a game of capturing the flag, they are the supporting soldiers who have to be at the outer perimeter of the target doing "supporting work" and they do not have the necessary means to realize how far the game has already progressed. They would not know whether the flag is within close range of being captured by the advance scouting party or is it still far from reach.

From the perspective of the scouting party, they are equipped with the required knowledge and highest-level perspective of the entire terrain to fulfill the objective of locating and seizing the flag. From their highest perspective, they have been receiving status reports from the most number of sources so they can be aware of the game's status. The advance party is closest to finding the hidden flag and seizing it. As soon as they advance to the flag's proximity, they can know that the game is about to end.

While the flag is about to be seized, plans have to be made to ensure that the defense perimeter of the terrain is secure and not to be compromised or destroyed, which can threaten the entire mission. The supporting party at the outer perimeter has to be made aware of the increase need to provide stability and reduce any threats. Any auxiliary security parties(the hidden big guns) are also called in to ensure this.

If the game really needs a correction, it would have been done quickly and discreetly by the game masters with pinpoint accuracy and not so openly. However, if the game is about to end, then there will be the need for increased troop-wide security so that the perimeter would not be compromised or accidentally self-sabotaged.

So why has nuclear missile silos been disabled and UFOs and other external/alien factors appearing with increased openness and occurrences without discreet all over the world for decades? If there was meant to be a fix, it would have occurred decades ago in a short time. A fix that can last for decades is less probable than an endgame preparation that will need to last that long.

[ponda]

If the game really needs a correction, it would have been done quickly and discreetly by the game masters with pinpoint accuracy and not so openly. However, if the game is about to end, then there will be the need for increased troop-wide security so that the perimeter would not be compromised or accidentally self-sabotaged.

So why has nuclear missile silos been disabled and UFOs and other external/alien factors appearing with increased openness and occurrences without discreet all over the world for decades? If there was meant to be a fix, it would have occurred decades ago in a short time. A fix that can last for decades is less probable than an endgame preparation that will need to last that long.

Perhaps the recent missile disablings were just practice runs or fine tuning.

If the neg controllers are being squeezed out then they might get desperate and spiteful.They might try to get nasty on the way out and so the good guys are making sure that they play fair.Remember the recent missile trail off the California coast.No one knows who fired it or what it was.It might of been a bit of prevention at work there.

[timerty]

Perhaps the recent missile disablings were just practice runs or fine tuning.

If the neg controllers are being squeezed out then they might get desperate and spiteful.They might try to get nasty on the way out and so the good guys are making sure that they play fair.Remember the recent missile trail off the California coast.No one knows who fired it or what it was.It might of been a bit of prevention at work there.

I believe the greatest threat that the game masters are worried about are the aggressive countries who could resort to using nuclear weapons and self-sabotage the entire game from its completion. Nuclear missile silos owned by humans have been constantly disabled by aliens decades. If there really are negative ETs, they would have destroyed the game or made their move long ago when humans were more vulnerable.

We have always heard that humans are the ones who are posing the greatest threat to humanity. The "neg ETs" are probably just fake and made up by people. There has never been any case of ETs attacking any earth-based installations, rather, it is humans who are always attacking them. So if you are saying that aliens are more evil than the humans on Earth, I can't believe you. Rather it is the humans on Earth who can be more evil than the aliens.

[Gone002]

nothing will happen

[ponda]

I believe the greatest threat that the game masters are worried about are the aggressive countries who could resort to using nuclear weapons and self-sabotage the entire game from its completion. Nuclear missile silos owned by humans have been constantly disabled by aliens decades. If there really are negative ETs, they would have destroyed the game or made their move long ago when humans were more vulnerable.

We have always heard that humans are the ones who are posing the greatest threat to humanity. The "neg ETs" are probably just fake and made up by people. There has never been any case of ETs attacking any earth-based installations, rather, it is humans who are always attacking them. So if you are saying that aliens are more evil than the humans on Earth, I can't believe you. Rather it is the humans on Earth who can be more evil than the aliens.

The bad guy humans are controlled for the most part by higher dimensional negative et's.This has been going on for a very long time.In fact they might of even had a hand in creating or modifying us a long time ago.The neg et's stay hidden for specific reasons.If they were to show themselves honestly to the masses then the game would change in a big way.I don't hold any 3d bad guy humans responsible for most of their actions or decisions because of the conscious influence that they have to contend with.There are good guy et's etc watching over this stage of the game very closely as well in my opinion.

[timerty]

The bad guy humans are controlled for the most part by higher dimensional negative et's.This has been going on for a very long time.In fact they might of even had a hand in creating or modifying us a long time ago.The neg et's stay hidden for specific reasons.If they were to show themselves honestly to the masses then the game would change in a big way.I don't hold any 3d bad guy humans responsible for most of their actions or decisions because of the conscious influence that they have to contend with.There are good guy et's etc watching over this stage of the game very closely as well in my opinion.

Yes, I do believe in the possibility of neg ETs, just that we have no evidence but rumors(aka witness testimony) for their existence and presence on Earth.

There is also the possibility of the military cloning aliens and re-constructing their ships from material taken from the Roswell crash. You can find this mention from the Project Camelot interview with Dr Steven Greer.

[ponda]

Yes, I do believe in the possibility of neg ETs, just that we have no evidence but rumors(aka witness testimony) for their existence and presence on Earth.

Yes timerty that's quite right,they don't parade around for all to see.

One way of identifying their influence is by looking at the control structures of our reality....religions,finance,msm,education,history,wealth distribution,laws etc.It's all been carefully planned and can all be controlled by very few people.This is important in my opinion and i suspect is a direct mirror image of the neg et's own societal structure.They most likely have a caste system with a small ruling elite.But it probably goes a bit deeper than just higher dimensional negative et's.

Our reality appears to have just been a random evolution of mankind but it has all been carefully organized by unseen forces.Almost everything about our reality is false and almost the direct opposite of the way it should be.From controlling blinkered religions to the unequal wealth distribution that is the financial system to the msm propganda machine to the multi headed one party beast which is democracy and on to the unsustainable economic systems which are worshipped by the rulers.The proof of the unseen et controllers is all around us.Just my opinion

[Humble Janitor]

I really don't care if some alien ship or ships show up in 2012. I will wave at them and go about my business as usual. I would love to see them try and land just for ****s and giggles. I personally believe in both malevolent and benevolent extraterrestrial entities. Have I seen them? Not really but believers in god haven't seen he/she/it either and that's not stopping them.

Something/someone cannot hurt nor help you if you do not give it consent. If this topic bothers you that much, then perhaps you have given consent for it to do so.

I would not go as far as to make bold proclamations. I don't care who you are. You likely do not know what you think you know. We will find out when that date passes and life shall go on as usual.

The only way to remove the power elites is to ask for some assistance. That brings us back to consent. No matter who we vote for (or don't vote for), we will continue to get a giant, stinking **** sandwich. People would really have to take to the streets and make their points known to defeat the elites. A little help may just be necessary in this case.

[timerty]

The bad guy humans are controlled for the most part by higher dimensional negative et's.This has been going on for a very long time.In fact they might of even had a hand in creating or modifying us a long time ago.

Actually, humans were said to be cross-bred from various species of apes and aliens, which I believe to be true. So if there are humans who are in cahoots with any possible neg ETs, they could have been contacted because they have related alien genes. (Therefore humans with alien reptilian DNA may really exist) They do a double team up to help each other to do whatever they need to do on Earth. It is also possible for any positive ETs to contact and assist their human 'relatives' on Earth. The positive examples are James Gilliland with the felines and Miriam Delicado with the tall blonds. So if ships were to land and assist humans for whatever reasons, the different races of ETs might naturally discriminate and assist their own kinds.

Both Positivity and Negativity are necessary for the duality experience and spiritual growth on Earth. So even if humanity would to be faced with negative experiences, it would still be part of their spiritual awakening process, which is part of the higher spiritual order that governs existence.

[KosmicKat]

Something/someone cannot hurt nor help you if you do not give it consent.

I would be a little more cautious about making sweeping statements like that. At school I was bullied, and if I tried to prevent, much less call attention to what was happening, I was accused by my teachers of being disruptive. It wasn't until my Dad saw the physical marks left by my experiences that he intervened (having previously insisted, very similarly to your own statement, that "your life is what you make it").

[MiguelQ]

the connection is done all the time if they want without you noticing..
but because you dont experience hypnose, you think, you had no contact with them..
Your mission wil arise when the time comes , as a familiar feeling to do something..

[timerty]

the connection is done all the time if they want without you noticing..
but because you dont experience hypnose, you think, you had no contact with them..
Your mission wil arise when the time comes , as a familiar feeling to do something..

For me, I have 'memories' of experiencing conscious contact with a grey(in 2003) and a tall fair alien(in 2010), (as well as white robe beings, 2001) only for a few seconds during my sleep. The grey was standing next to me and showing me something on a console on its ship(N.America in fires). The tall fair alien was working on my body energetically.

My experience with the grey during my sleep(I don't take hallucinogens) was strikingly similar to what Peter Sterling has encountered when he took DMT. He talked about how the greys warned him that galactic pulsations will arrive within the next few years to cause massive damage on Earth, and that humans have to activate the light body to escape through portals that will open and also get to seek help on alien ships. The galactic pulsations are said to be a form of deadly solar radiation, which is what I think is part of the reasons for the construction of deep underground bases. Anyone has reasons to think Peter's information is not trustworthy? I would like to hear them. Anyway if you would like to know, Peter Sterling lives in Hollywood, is already quite famous and is rich, so he seems like a person who just wants to get his truth out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XQbf4vOx_g

[timerty]

the connection is done all the time if they want without you noticing..
but because you dont experience hypnose, you think, you had no contact with them..
Your mission wil arise when the time comes , as a familiar feeling to do something..

For me, I have 'memories' of experiencing conscious contact with a grey(in 2003) and a tall fair alien(in 2010), (as well as white robe beings, 2001) only for a few seconds during my sleep. The grey was standing next to me and showing me something on a console on its ship(N.America in fires). The tall fair alien was working on my body energetically.

My experience with the grey during my sleep(I don't take hallucinogens) was strikingly similar to what Peter Sterling has encountered when he took DMT. He talked about how the greys warned him that galactic pulsations will arrive within the next few years to cause massive damage on Earth, and that humans have to activate the light body to escape through portals that will open and also get to seek help on alien ships. The galactic pulsations are said to be a form of deadly solar radiation, which is what I think is part of the reasons for the construction of deep underground bases. Anyone has reasons to think Peter's information is not trustworthy? I would like to hear them. Anyway if you would like to know, Peter Sterling lives in Hollywood, is already quite famous and is rich, so he seems like a person who just wants to get his truth out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XQbf4vOx_g

[Humble Janitor]

I would be a little more cautious about making sweeping statements like that. At school I was bullied, and if I tried to prevent, much less call attention to what was happening, I was accused by my teachers of being disruptive. It wasn't until my Dad saw the physical marks left by my experiences that he intervened (having previously insisted, very similarly to your own statement, that "your life is what you make it").

I speak from personal experience. I do not spend every day worrying about 2012, etc and that is because I do not allow it to bother me. I do not allow certain people to bother me as well.

[timerty]

I think there have been some confusion about what aliens can or cannot do. And the confusion between interference and intervention.

I believe that humanity is on Earth to experience and overcome negative human emotions and its limitations. Aliens cannot interfere with this mass learning process of humanity. If there are dangers that threatens to stop this mass learning process, the aliens can intervene. Saving humanity from a planetary disaster by keep them from harm on their ships and then putting them onto a safe place is an intervention but not an interference to their learning. They might even experience 'lost time' from erased or altered memory.

The humans that have learn enough on Earth will eventually get to exit the school or game. Helping the exiting humans to get out can also be a 'fix' to the game, so that they will not interfere with the other learning humans. Those who have not learn enough may continue on Earth or elsewhere or stop or whatever. The ways the humans can exit Earth is multiple, as long as they don't get to interfere with the remaining humans who still need to learn emotions, who cares how they exit Earth? The possibilities exist for the exiting humans to join aliens on their ships or ascend to other dimensions or planets.

[Gone001]

ross- I'm not saying either way but I can see why they would intervene nuclear weapons and not starving kids in Africa. Starving kids in Africa don't have a devastating effect on the environment. Nuclear weapons have the potential to destroy the planet making it infertile with a boat load of other issues which I assume would be of more concern to any E.T. surveyors. As for what and when these things are going to happen who knows. No one knows for sure. Times are rapidly changing though and it does feel like something is going to happen. I worry sometimes that were in a period much like the 60's where you have people talking about a great visitation of energy and being close to something.. then it all goes to hell. Who knows, either way, should be fun to watch what happens over the next ten years and i personally believe some interesting things will happen within the next 2 years. Hopefully it's exciting.

[The Truth Is In There]

they don't intervene where kids are starving because those souls have chosen their "starving kid" experience. everything anyone experiences has been chosen by the respective soul to experience growth or resolve negativity. after all, the soul could easily get out of that experience by dying. the soul has the ability to exit if it gets too hard and some do that and others come in (walk-ins) but usually it isn't done because the human existence on earth is invaluable for soul growth.

the et's intervene with nuclear weapons because humanity is not permitted to destroy mother earth, or rather, her body. if you see the human experiment as school and we have learned the equivalent of 10 or 12 years then it's now 5 minutes before the final bell rings. to destroy the schoolhouse now would annoy many many beings, to say the least.

i'm not entirely convinced that the prophesied "3 days of darkness" are going to happen in all their glory but i do hope so and also that they're going to happen within the next two years. but if any ships are going to land here i'm pretty sure they won't be manned by et's. at any rate, it's wonderful to be living in these times and once out of the victim mentality and unaffected by fear you can calmly watch all that's happening, unaffected by anything, and from time to time pray for some more action.

[MiguelQ]

now you touched something very interesting..
the fact is.. i dont believe all UFO transport "Life" inside...

Example: Humans cant travel speed of light (they say) so the solution is to build a spacecraft that is remote controlled, by the way , the more evolution on technology more remote controlled devices there will be... So for "Alien" its the same, dont think they send their body actually here, but just a Perfect Cyborg? that can do the job and return, controlled at distance from the Alien Base..
Its safer, and dont need to eat, or maintain a biology integrity with speeds or radiation .. etc.. But I think little grey's are just that.. little slaves , cyborg lab-made beings.. ( i also read that from some insiders..) so its perfectly normal that, their technology is so much ahead of us. Something like a surrogate(movie) can also be a hypothesis..

Alot of UFo outhere must be probes scanning etc.. like we do with the moon, and other planets...
It would be a waste send an actual being there or here..


NOw the most important thing for me that people are not aware::yuck:

Earth is important of course.. If you saw a group of ants... constructing something, imagine.. a bomb mega bomb, somehow by mixing different powders... and humans noticed that behavior (that ants weren't aware of the imminent danger..) and could destroy earth.. you would kill the ants right?? or if you have respect for other species you would avoid that.. with tecnology.. and save the earth.. which is more valued

NOW Dont you see?? So its the same.. they Aliens , some may look at us like ants, primitive being , walkiing around.. with no aim, going here and there without strong technology and awareness of the real world... Though you look at ants and recognize some intelligence right? they have groups, they communicate somehow.. they do jobs, and etc.. its something.. but nothing compared.. and come on, why would aliens look at us like we are anything good? interest in what? Our souls might have power, yes as a universal entity, but the body (which is just a capsule..) has none.. we humans do give alot of importance to that temporary capsule (the material issue again) .. As a human entity we may be so primitive, the bombs, we use weapons to kill ourself beings!?, money issues, freedom issues, health, technology, we have no logical in our growth as humanity.. we are a little treat kind under control.. the only thing they could use us , is for experiences in the lab, like we use rats or something... Oh and they do that right? thats what you actually observe.. abductions.. sometimes.. but it would be no surprise that there is something huge, like they stop the time, and they act, and then return time normal, and you dont even noticed anything.. they can twist your time and everyone else, seamlessly.

FINAL question: would you go talk to monkeys? can they actually understand you? your message your way of thinking...?

Why dont you go right now to the jungle and talk to monkeys and teach them to read and what is a planet and the stars, whormholes..space travel, paralel universe, a soul, a higher dimension.. and science (your technology perhaps..) well it would be a frustrating task, plus, you dont have any interest to go to the wild and talk to them, do you? ..because, right you have more important things to do, just like "aliens" do.

There is no rescue, only you

[Mutchie]

So this announcement from Seti which states that 3 massive ufos have been sighted the other side of Pluto is it for REAL ?

I mean they or whoever has supplied coordinates for skymap.org and sure enough there are 3 massive ufo ..... which makes me wander how often is the skymap page updated ?

You would think a story this big if it were for REAL would be on every news channel on the planet but it isnt its only on the net i have seen it so im thinking it might be dis info -

as for 2012 i watched richard c hoaglands video on it and it would seem that certain goverments have been planning for it for a long time for instance the north pole is melting at a dramatic rate and it has been proven that the north pole has moved a fair bit so is it possible we could be heading for a POLESHIFT ? also we know 2012 they are expecting severe solar storms could this cause a shift like Patrick Geryl says ? I wish i knew whether to prepare or whether its all dis info it seems that the certain goverments know what is coming there is NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE !!!

[MiguelQ]

about my text , above, i forgot this detail..
UFo can come here to save yes, but not REAL aliens, but GOV UFo to enslave you? thats more likely to happen...

[Victoria Tintagel]

Thank you, NoTingles :) for reminding me of Gandalf's words on the value of "time on our side" and the whole of your excellent post here. Just Tint.

[timerty]

So this announcement from Seti which states that 3 massive ufos have been sighted the other side of Pluto is it for REAL ?

There is no known proof whether anything found there are asteroids or alien-made.

[Anunnaki8]

If ET's do come in 2012 I expect that it will be to look at the Sun or Saturn's rings as Bill stated. Humans are very curious, who's to say that the ET's wont be either.
Cheers
Ellis

[galacticctzn]

you know, in my younger days i read a book by the great douglas addams,"the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy", and at the beggining were instructions on leaving planet earth:

"Phone NASA. Their phone number is (731) 483-3111. Explain that it is very important that you get away as soon as possible.
If they do not cooperate, phone any friend you may have in the White House - (202) 456-1414 - to have a word on your behalf with the guys at NASA.
If you don't have any friends at the White House, phone the Kremlin (ask the oversees operator for 0107-095-295-9051). They don't have any friends there either (at least no one to speak of), but they do seem to have a little influence, so you may as well try.
If that also fails, phone the Pope for guidance. His telephone number is 011-39-6-6982, and I gather his switchboard is infallible.
If all these attempts fail, flag down a passing flying saucer and explain that its vitally important that you get away before your phone bill arrives."
well, nasa, the white house kremlin and the pope have proven to be useless, and this planet is really not a nice place to live, so, if a spaceship offers me a lift outta here, im gone, thats for sure. i think thats how tired most people are of whats happening on this planet, my message is to the ETs, come quick, we really need your help.!!!! my love to all people out there, especially you guys on the front lines. love and peace.

[Carmody]

Im with you Tuza Ive just watched a video of Nassim Haramein which I placed on the ego thread, so wont repeat here.

In essence he is saying that we pulse in an out of existence every mili second, we go from form to formless and back again
Now he claims that makes it possible for us to move from one place to another in an instant, distance is of no relevance
So more advanced beings may well have mastered that so with but a thought can appear or disappear in UFOs
"Beam me up Scottie" could well be a fact in the very near future.
In the video near the end he also shows pictures of skulls that have been found, they are not human as such, same shape as the crystal skulls in the Indiana Jones film.
I am sure there is enough evidence to positively say that we have been visited by advanced beings who helped in the building of the pyramids etc
There is every chance that we will be visited in the future.
So I suggest that anyone interested in this topic views the video, its long well presented, some not relevant but many gems in there .
for those interested in space travel and spirituality, he brings science and Creator together beautifully.
Chris

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24759/

There is a growing sense that the properties of the universe are best described not by the laws that govern matter but by the laws that govern information.

[eric charles]

:yo: to you too!

Note that "what resonates within you for your best spiritual growth potential" is likely to be the truth.

Illusion makes us feel good for a short while - but that's got nothing to to with growth.

The thing that bursts the bubble is the day after the forecast event has failed to occur. You'd think we'd have all got the hang of that by now!


Indeed , very truely indeed , a few names very close to us has lost a good portion of his credibilty with me , his name starts with a D .
Anywase he has played a part in Ancient Aliens , I basically watched a whole good part of its episodes .
In certain areas #1 Ill totally agree , especially with investigating the science part of things , very intelligent indeed .
But in predictions WOW , and speaks so imperitive and with such BELIEF of himself that he is right all the time . I am very sorry but No ONE knows EVERYTHING , until the whole lid is blown and the whole National Securtiy STATE CONTROL APPARATUS,ELITE you name it comes down crashing on its head (witch is very soon IMHO) ,im affraid ladis and gentlman WE DONt KNOW S**T of anything realy , there is SOOOOOOOOOO much DISINFO , just scrambling our minds all the time .

Ive been doing this type of research for 10 years . It started out checking how banks store their money and whatnot ,.......................... and boy the rabbit hole went deep after that , ive learnt to read my GUT feeling alot and learn to stretch my imagination ...................

Holy crap here i was answering something simple and wow lol sorry for that rant guys oooopppppp LMAO hahahahahahahaa

:o

[Bright Garlick]

;) I suspect the arrival of ships/vessels/craft is happening on a regular basis and 2012 is nothing special. It's worth noting Clifford Stone's comments regarding asteroid BG 1991 (likely VG1991). See here :
http://otherworldyencounters.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/nasa-astrobiology-global-reaction-to-alien-contact/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tlHE0BxLHk&feature=player_embedded

Thanks Timerty for your posting.

[the_flyingboy]

atut you maybe be right about 2012 being bs as 'charles' said but he did say that they built underground bases for just incase.So who spend millions of dollars for just in case? we know something will happen but we dont know what will happen thats for sure and as like you i have been following Bill for a while as well maybe not as a member but i have seen 95% of all the interviews he has done.

[Tangri]

Yes back on track............in short there will be NO off planet visitations by way of airshows over major cities in 2012......from the inside, take it or leave it, but what do I know LOL

May I ask you how you did obtain that information?