Are there ways of verifying the authenticity of some channeled messages?

[Whiskey_Mystic]

The main problem with any type of channeling is that there is no way to confirm who or what the "entities" are.

Actually, there are very specific and reliable ways in which this is done. These methods have been handed down through established shamanic lineages for hundreds, probably thousands of years. It's just that most don't have this training because few these days are willing to submit themselves to the rigors and commitment (in time and integrity) of formal apprenticeship.

[TrumanCash]

You've got my curiousity up, Whiskey. What are these "very specific and reliable ways" that shaman have used to verify the identity of channeled entities? I have not heard this before. What is the source of this information?

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Again, these teachings are given to initiates. Even if I were authorized to share doctrine, I would not do so on the internet. I know that's frustrating, but there are good reasons why it has to be this way.

But what I can say is that I have encountered similarities in these methods that seem to be universal. Some years ago I spent a year working on a project with a chanupa holder who traveled with Pansy Two Feathers. She introduced me to the hollow bone ceremony and we compared notes on our methods. I had been first trained in a Cherokee way and Pansy had received much of her training and transmission from Frank Fools Crow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Fools_Crow). Pansy and Frank are both Oglala Lakota. We found that, although some of the words for things were different, the structure of the rites and rituals were nearly identical. I later found the same basic structure in Hopi traditions, though the order of them was changed a bit. Outside of North American cultures, the same structures seem to apply as well. Wangdor Rimpoche taught a very similar method and I encountered more similarities when I began coming in contact with Taoist masters. Some of these teachings also show up in the White Lodge orders as well.

So there seems to be a universal agreement on how to go about this. Whether they stem from a central source that disseminated or if they were simply discovered independently because they are core truths I do not know. But like many things in practical spirituality, common agreement seems to be reached even if by accident.

[onawah]

That's very interesting, Whiskey_Mystic. Do you know of any channelers who have passed the tests?

Again, these teachings are given to initiates. Even if I were authorized to share doctrine, I would not do so on the internet. I know that's frustrating, but there are good reasons why it has to be this way.

But what I can say is that I have encountered similarities in these methods that seem to be universal. Some years ago I spent a year working on a project with a chanupa holder who traveled with Pansy Two Feathers. She introduced me to the hollow bone ceremony and we compared notes on our methods. I had been first trained in a Cherokee way and Pansy had received much of her training and transmission from Frank Fools Crow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Fools_Crow). Pansy and Frank are both Oglala Lakota. We found that, although some of the words for things were different, the structure of the rites and rituals were nearly identical. I later found the same basic structure in Hopi traditions, though the order of them was changed a bit. Outside of North American cultures, the same structures seem to apply as well. Wangdor Rimpoche taught a very similar method and I encountered more similarities when I began coming in contact with Taoist masters. Some of these teachings also show up in the White Lodge orders as well.

So there seems to be a universal agreement on how to go about this. Whether they stem from a central source that disseminated or if they were simply discovered independently because they are core truths I do not know. But like many things in practical spirituality, common agreement seems to be reached even if by accident.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Hi, onawah. :bearhug:

Not sure what you mean by "tests".

The answer would also depend on what you mean when you say "channelers".

It's been my experience that words like Channeler, Shaman, psychic... they don't really mean anything specific. They are a kind of description, but ultimately it all blends together into a place where the labels don't mean anything. That being said, I am assuming that you mean a person who focuses their attention on receiving messages from others. Communication with consciousness of all sorts is a fairly normal thing in certain circles, but I've not spent time with anyone who focuses just on receiving downloads that way. I'm thinking of people like Carla Rueckert here, is that what you mean? I apologize for not understanding the question better.

[onawah]

Back atcha, Whistkey_Mystic :hug:
I think you got my drift, actually.
People who believe they are in touch with more advanced ETs or higher dimensional beings, though they don't necessarily have to be from elsewhere, as I believe there are many wise beings connected to this planet who are not otherwise visible to or in communication with most of us.
Rueckert is a good example, though I tend to put more trust in indigenous people, those who are still in close connection with the Earth and Nature, who are not so compromised by the materialistic values of more "civilized" people, and I think their contact with the "Star People" has probably been ongoing for a long time, and tends to be more authentic.
It seems like the channelers who have received the most attention have been compromised.
And many people who think they are being contacted directly may actually be experiencing some kind of mimicking interference.



Hi, onawah. :bearhug:

Not sure what you mean by "tests".

The answer would also depend on what you mean when you say "channelers".

It's been my experience that words like Channeler, Shaman, psychic... they don't really mean anything specific. They are a kind of description, but ultimately it all blends together into a place where the labels don't mean anything. That being said, I am assuming that you mean a person who focuses their attention on receiving messages from others. Communication with consciousness of all sorts is a fairly normal thing in certain circles, but I've not spent time with anyone who focuses just on receiving downloads that way. I'm thinking of people like Carla Rueckert here, is that what you mean? I apologize for not understanding the question better.

[we-R-one]

The main problem with any type of channeling is that there is no way to confirm who or what the "entities" are.

Actually, there are very specific and reliable ways in which this is done. These methods have been handed down through established shamanic lineages for hundreds, probably thousands of years. It's just that most don't have this training because few these days are willing to submit themselves to the rigors and commitment (in time and integrity) of formal apprenticeship.

Yes I agree. You cannot label all channeling as unreliable. I've had excellent results with Kevin Ryerson. He is extremely well known in the field and many tout his abilities. I've been to him 3 times now and am so grateful to have had his assistance in helping identify and confirm several of my past lives. IF you have major core identities, where you are well known, it may give you insight into the bigger picture as to why you're here. This is what happened to me.

I guess one needs to experience it to understand the validity. When someone you don't even know gives you identifications that are matching your memories in which you've never told them about you realize quickly the person knows what they're doing and that they're reading your personal Akashic Records. When you experience the flow of conversation and the manner in which the information is given, it's not too hard to tell this guy is the real deal. So when you're given a proper identity, you then go research the person and that is when you will begin to see the matches which are known as 'objectives'.

As far as I know, Kevin is the best Akashic Record reader out there. He will give you names and dates for your identities. Don't mess around with unknown names in the field, you will be disappointed. And while Kevin isn't cheap, he's worth every last penny. He has served on the A.R.E. Edgar Cayce board and is known for his work with Shirley MacLaine. You can read more about him here:

http://www.kevinryerson.com/biography.htm

If you book a session with him I highly recommend you ask him these 3 questions:
1. Do I have any famous or well documented past lives? (this is so you have something to research, it's not about being famous)
2. What soul group to I come from?
3. What E.T. race did I originate from?

[TrumanCash]

Again, these teachings are given to initiates. Even if I were authorized to share doctrine, I would not do so on the internet. I know that's frustrating, but there are good reasons why it has to be this way.

But what I can say is that I have encountered similarities in these methods that seem to be universal. Some years ago I spent a year working on a project with a chanupa holder who traveled with Pansy Two Feathers. She introduced me to the hollow bone ceremony and we compared notes on our methods. I had been first trained in a Cherokee way and Pansy had received much of her training and transmission from Frank Fools Crow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Fools_Crow). Pansy and Frank are both Oglala Lakota. We found that, although some of the words for things were different, the structure of the rites and rituals were nearly identical. I later found the same basic structure in Hopi traditions, though the order of them was changed a bit. Outside of North American cultures, the same structures seem to apply as well. Wangdor Rimpoche taught a very similar method and I encountered more similarities when I began coming in contact with Taoist masters. Some of these teachings also show up in the White Lodge orders as well.

So there seems to be a universal agreement on how to go about this. Whether they stem from a central source that disseminated or if they were simply discovered independently because they are core truths I do not know. But like many things in practical spirituality, common agreement seems to be reached even if by accident.

Thanks for some clarification on the source of the information, Whiskey. However, my curiosity is not satisfied unless I can have a deeper understanding and more clear understanding of any phenomenon.

My question was: "What are these "very specific and reliable ways" that shaman have used to verify the identity of channeled entities? I have not heard this before. What is the source of this information?"

I think this is a very important question because I, too, have experience with this phenomenon. How does one differentiate and identify who an entity really is?

An entity can believe they are Jesus or whoever and an entity can trick others into believing they are some person or group of entities. An "entity" can be an ET in a spaceship or, as I suspect in some or perhaps many cases, could also be ET AI.

The natives of Turtle Island (and I am and have been one of them) were tricked and programmed by the Annunaki just as nearly every culture on this planet has been inculcated with their bogus belief systems. So from my own perspective just citing a native "American" source does not answer the question I have. And the mention of "rites and rituals" of natives points to the Annunaki which I called "Serpent Staff Pleiadians" in my books because they are known by their symbols.

Symbols such as the swastika, point in a circle, winged rattlesnakes, crosses, etc, which are associated with the mound builders, Navajo, et all, are all Annunaki symbols. The masonic style of the Midewiwin religion and rituals appears also to reflect Annunaki "secret society" machinations.

We are all "entities" simply because we are spiritual beings and we can all be programmed with disinformation whether we are in a body or not. So a well-intentioned entity could have a completely false idea about who they are because they have been programmed to think that.

Could you be more specific? How does one know with total certainty that any entity with which one is communicating is who they say they are?

I have seriously been asking this question for years and even though I have experience in communicating telepathically with real ETs as well as discarnate beings I still have not nailed this one down.

Thanks,
TLC

[Michi]

I must admit that I am inclined to question "channelled" messages.
Many times in the past man has given his full trust to "claimed saviours" just to learn otherwise lateron.

Man has to start to listen within and don't run after others. This goes alongside with taking responsibility and spiritual awakening.

I dare to quote here an article from Cameron Day: http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2013/10/02/how-do-i-discern-the-real-from-false/


How Do I Discern the Real from False? (http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2013/10/02/how-do-i-discern-the-real-from-false/)


By Cameron Day, on October 2nd, 2013
The question was asked, “How do you personally discern what is benevolent when there is so much disinformation out there?”
My response: All beings who are channeling claim to be loving beings of light. The controlling factions within the Corrupt Demiurge have set up a “light and dark (http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2013/08/23/why-i-am-no-longer-a-light-worker/)” duality paradigm, and there are controller beings who are of a (false) light energy. It is light, but in compared to Infinite Source or the Universal Prime Creator, it is like a CFL light bulb compared to the light of the sun. No contest.
But since we’ve been suffocated by darkness for so long, we’re desperate for any light. That’s how they want it, so that we will accept their controlled light and not seek out the true light of Infinite Source. This is the ultimate, multi-dimensional scam.
For these reasons, I don’t work with “angels” or “ascended masters.” I stick with the Earth, Sun, Galactic Core, Universal Prime Creator and Infinite Source as my main connection points.
I do get assistance beings that I call the True Forces of Universal Divine Light, who are directly connected to Infinite Source and Universal Prime Creator. I don’t channel them, or set them above me. Beings that are aligned with the divine light of Infinite Source have no need for hierarchy or being worshiped. They know that you and they are the SAME, just choosing different expressions.

As for how to discern, it has taken me years of meditation, focus, and questioning everything. For a while I was fooled by the “controlled light” and was doing “missions” for them in my dream state. Because I have excellent dream recall, and could tell the difference between missions and regular dreams, I eventually wised up to the fact that they weren’t really trying to liberate humanity, and when I probed the reasons why, I learned that they are just the right hand of the same “beast” that pretends to oppose the dark, and I went beyond their paradigm.
Here’s the real trick about ascension: We are already “there” but we need to stop identifying with all of the limitations, blockages, implants, illusions and spells that have been cast upon us. When we do that, we find that Infinite Source was *right there* all along. Of course, the “dispelling” takes a lot of work. http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/simple-smile.png
Much Love,
Cameron Day
www.AscensionHelp.com (http://www.AscensionHelp.com)

[Mitm]

Anastasia says there are multitudes of thought-forms there in the etheric realms, to know which ones are true, they have to resonate in your soul, you just feel it as a 'knowing' its all about feelings... For instance when Anastasia mentions Gods prayer in one of the books, it always makes me cry, as I know that is our Father that is speaking to us, and the words he would use...

[Mitm]

Gods prayer to Mankind..

My Son, my own dar son
HOw long have i been waiting, i am still waiting
A minute holds a hundred years, a moment lasts millenia
I am waiting
I have given you all, the earth is all yours
you are free in everything you shall choose your own parth
All that i ask, my son, my own dear son
is that you be happy
you do not see me
you do not hear me
in your mind are doubts and sorrows
you are turning away, where to?
you are yearning for something what for?
and you are bowing to someone
i stretch our my hands to you
my son, my own dear son
be happy, i ask of you
Again you are going away, but your road leads nowhere
on this road the earth will explode
you are free in everything and the world is exploding
and tearing your destiny apart
you are free in everything but i shall stand my ground
I shall restore you to life with the last blade of grass
and once more the world will shine around
Only be happy i ask
On the faces of saints a deep sorrow swells
you are frightened by judgement and hell
they telll you that I shall send judges
but only pray for that time as before
when you and i are together once more
i believe you will return
I know you will come
I shall embrace you once more
NOt as a stepfather, not as a stepfather, I am yours
I am your Abba, your Father, the only One
and you are my very own son, my own dear son
we shall be happy together as one!

[Kristin]

Thanks for this thread Whiskey, Law of One material is very interesting. I was just looking into Carla Rueckert as per your suggestion.

"Carla: I had met Don Elkins, a college professor and a researcher into the paranormal and UFOs, when I was an undergraduate English Literature major in college. In 1962, I began attending his experimental meditation group. Don’s experiment had to do with creating UFO contactee messages. It was quite successful. However, I was not particularly interested in becoming a channel at that time. I obtained a master’s degree in Library Science, and worked for six years as a librarian. In 1970, Don hired me as a research assistant and my path began to stray from the orthodox. We investigated everything from ghosts to UFO close encounters of the third kind. By 1974, all of the channels that the group had developed had moved away from Louisville or become disinterested in continuing the channeling experiment. Don asked me to attempt channeling in order to continue the experiment, and I agreed. I have been channeling ever since."

https://www.northatlanticbooks.com/blog/wisdom-how-carla-rueckert-found-channeling-and-found-the-truth/

She goes on to say:


You’ll notice that, like Barbara, I assign great importance to tuning myself for channeling and also to the process of challenging spirits. This is because, in my understanding, we dwell in a world of strongly contrasting positive and negative polarity here in third-density Earth today. Barbara uses our positive and negative intention to describe polarity. The Confederation entities’ definition of polarity is wholly compatible, but they offer a slightly different perspective. They define polarity in terms of service. They explain that this is the density of choice. There are two ways of serving the Creator and we are here to make that choice. Positive polarity consists of living, thinking, and acting in service to others, whereas negative polarity is involved with thinking of and seeing the world as that which may be of service to self. To positive-polarity thinkers, all of the creation is one thing and that one thing is love. For negative-polarity thinkers, the world is neatly divided into the self and all others. “Right” for the negatively oriented seeker consists in using all those about him as they help him. So some channeled material is very positive in orientation. Some channeled material is very negative in orientation. And a lot of channeled material is of mixed polarity.

As a channel, I have come to feel that my work preparatory to channeling has to do with tuning my own vibrational level to my highest and best. I think all of us are instruments, able to receive and transmit vibrations or frequencies, much like radios or televisions. We pick up information from the creation that is compatible in vibratory level with our tuning. In order to be a better channel for positive information, then, I tune myself with prayer, singing, chanting, and whatever else aids me in achieving my highest stable personal tuning before I open my instrument to receive a source. I then challenge whatever spirit responds to me in the name of that which I hold so dear that I would die for it if necessary. As a mystical Christian, that means that I challenge spirits in the name of Jesus the Christ.

When reading channeled material, I encourage you to look for the marks of positive channeling—fearlessness, serenity, compassion, and inclusivity. There are many channels who have begun by being very positive in their vibration and who have descended into mixed polarity in their messages. Perhaps the best advice I can give anyone who wishes to identify positive channeling is to follow your own feelings. If instead of serenity, joy, and love, a channeled source begins to invoke in you feelings of fear and doom, then you have probably encountered mixed or negatively polarized material. Please trust your discrimination as you explore channeled material. You will know what is right for you because it will resonate within you as though it were something that you already knew but had just forgotten temporarily.

Always a good idea to go to the source of widely discussed and interesting material (however co-opted the truth always rings forth).
From the Heart,
Kris

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Thanks for this thread Whiskey,

I did not actually create this thread. Our illustrious mod team cut this tangental branch from another thread and replanted it. And good on them. :-)


I was just looking into Carla Rueckert as per your suggestion.

Sometimes I drop clues like on Scooby Doo. If people really want to know a thing, a thing can be found and known.


Always a good idea to go to the source of widely discussed and interesting material (however co-opted the truth always rings forth).
From the Heart,
Kris

So a question then arises, "How do I know if I am deceiving myself"?

Human beings are prone to self-deception. Interpretation. We filter information through our own complexes and reality models. How do we separate ourselves from pure information, whether it is channeling, intuition, communication, what have you.

The way to do this is to tune into the body. The body will tell you. Do you feel tension? Where? Are you feeling reactive? Do you want something or are you repulsed by something? Is there a charge? These are just a few examples of how you begin to filter yourself out of the equation. It takes training and practice. Sometimes years of work because the more you can heal your own wounds, whether emotional harm from early childhood, physical trauma, past life issues, or samsāra, the clearer the signal will be. We're talking again about signal to noise ratio here.

The problem is the static. Static is created by your stuff. As you heal your stuff, the signal gets clearer. You have an easier time separating what's yours and what's not. You do this by tuning into your body.

Again, I am not talking about preventing deception by others. Just self-deception here. There are some things that by their very nature cannot be learned casually.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

The main problem with any type of channeling is that there is no way to confirm who or what the "entities" are.

Actually, there are very specific and reliable ways in which this is done. These methods have been handed down through established shamanic lineages for hundreds, probably thousands of years. It's just that most don't have this training because few these days are willing to submit themselves to the rigors and commitment (in time and integrity) of formal apprenticeship.

I was going to say, the scientific method.

If you can't reduce something to the scientific method (isolating variables and testing them independently of one another) then I don't believe you can really "verify the authenticity" of anything.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I was going to say, the scientific method.

If you can't reduce something to the scientific method (isolating variables and testing them independently of one another) then I don't believe you can really "verify the authenticity" of anything.

Scientific method is a wonderful tool for exploring our reality, but should not be mistaken for reality itself. For example, I love my parents. I cannot prove this using scientific method, and yet I am sure that it is true. So, I can conclude that there are limits to the usefulness of science. And maybe someday science will allow me to prove this, but until it can, I choose to incorporate more than just science to establish the parameters of my reality. But I still like and respect science.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I was going to say, the scientific method.

If you can't reduce something to the scientific method (isolating variables and testing them independently of one another) then I don't believe you can really "verify the authenticity" of anything.

Scientific method is a wonderful tool for exploring our reality, but should not be mistaken for reality itself.

I agree completely that it has hard limits, but I don't think there is any better method than the scientific method when it comes to quelling perpetual doubts I have about everything. I tend to be very skeptical, to the point of ultimately reverting back to the idea that I don't "really" know anything for certain about anything, except that I am conscious of something ("reality").

Isolating out variables and trying every we can think of on them to narrow down what is "really" going on, is the only thing that leaves me feeling truly satisfied about whether or not something is true.

BUT, how often is it the case that even after something is scientifically "proven" another discovery is later made that invalidates the previous conclusion?

So I still say science is the best method available, with a healthy amount of argument thrown into it to keep the bull**** to a minimum, but of course it still has limitations. Another important thing is that you have to have IMAGINATION and be CLEVER to figure out the right experimental setups sometimes!



For example, I love my parents. I cannot prove this using scientific method, and yet I am sure that it is true.

Well if we could think of a way to measure it in more or less relative terms then we could probably come up with an experiment. It just takes some imagination.

For example let's define "not love" as the feelings you would have towards random strangers on the street. We could define "love" as any show of affection above and beyond what you would provide a stranger in a given circumstance, or what you would be comfortable with, etc.

So we could set the standard at providing care when they're old. We could create scenarios where random old strangers come up to you and engage in conversation and bring up the fact that they need help as elderly people but can't find anyone to help them financially, or whatever. We could test this over the course of some days with you being ignorant of the experiment and test your reaction, then have your parents call in need of financial aid and see if you provide it to them. That's a very materialistic way to approach the problem but I'm just making this up as I go along. We could sit and hash it out and come up with much better ways to test these kinds of things.

Actually police investigators think of these kinds of things all the time to test theories of social relations in order to investigate crimes.

People think science and spirituality are in opposition, but I think with enough imagination the two would revolutionize the world together.

[turiya]

The main problem with any type of channeling is that there is no way to confirm who or what the "entities" are.

Actually, there are very specific and reliable ways in which this is done. These methods have been handed down through established shamanic lineages for hundreds, probably thousands of years. It's just that most don't have this training because few these days are willing to submit themselves to the rigors and commitment (in time and integrity) of formal apprenticeship.

I was going to say, the scientific method.

If you can't reduce something to the scientific method (isolating variables and testing them independently of one another) then I don't believe you can really "verify the authenticity" of anything.

If you know how to dowse with a pendulum. Then, this works quite well in getting the 'yes or no' answers that you need.
With this form of dowsing, you can connect with your Higher Self.
What moves the pendulum? - Your body. And its through your physical body which is the best way to connect to your Higher Self. The HS moves the body, which moves the pendulum. Simple.

I use it all the time for all kinds of questions... to get all kinds of answers. I use it when I need answers related to my business. I use it to know whether information is bogus or not. You can be as psychic as a rock, and still are able to connect with your Higher Self to get the answers you want or need to have.

Whether its knowing whether something is coming from a negative entity of postive. Try it. Its easier than you think. In fact, aside from asking the question, no thinking is required - just look at your answer in how the pendulum (HS) responds.

[onawah]

I used to belong to the American Society of Dowsers and so I got to know a lot of dowsers, attended events, conferences, etc.
I discovered that many times even the most proficient dowsers got wrong answers when they dowsed.
It's not a fool proof method of arriving at truth, unfortunately.

[Michi]

I used to belong to the American Society of Dowsers and so I got to know a lot of dowsers, attended events, conferences, etc.
I discovered that many times even the most proficient dowsers got wrong answers when they dowsed.
It's not a fool proof method of arriving at truth, unfortunately.

Similar thing with remote viewing. I am most of the time correct - but not 100%.
It must be because one uses a tool to find out.
But even intuition can occasionally be faulty.
Is there a 100% (scientific) way to know?
Is it a quantum mechanic thing which depends from the viewer?

"If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change."
Wayne Dyer (https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/w/wayne_dyer.html)

[findingneo]

The main problem with any type of channeling is that there is no way to confirm who or what the "entities" are. (Truman Cash).

I am thrilled Truman that you wrote that question. I joined in the last 24 hours and I was hoping to stumble across exactly this question you ask, with you commenting on it. Seems too good to be true. What a meaningful coincidence, to me anyway. I am also seeking the same answer and have been for the past year. I am not fond at all of channeled information, because of it's shady reputation, but I found I have been unable to avoid it. I also do past life regressions. I have not been able to find the answer, but it has led to an interesting trail of breadcrumbs that I would love to discuss. Will be back later. Some friends are about to go live on a radio station to talk about ufo subjects. Am going to go listen. Looking forward to everyone's input on the subject of Truman's question as well.

[findingneo]

Ok, so that was cancelled. So I have that question also, how to tell the real identity of an entity. There is one that likes to talk to me through a friend, and we can be in a coffee shop and it happens, he starts channeling just while we are chatting. I get the feeling this entity is not very bad, but not, very good. He has established he is said friends "guide" and is ET. We don't encourage it. It wants us to change what we talk about though. We talk about the same sort of subjects like folk talk about here. I have noticed it wants to control the direction of the narrative. Perhaps my friend has a personality disorder, I don't know.

[findingneo]

Hi! I have just had a wee browse back over the comments to look for perhaps a posted comment that might shed some more light on the subject from folks own experiences.
I think there is a bit of crossed lines going on, but that is interesting in itself, sifting through what might be what. I am suggesting a rudimentary sifting. Not sure we all have the same base line as to what "channeling" actually is. Psychics may be able to channel, but might not. What they might be doing is accessing their inner "Google" for want of a better word. Actually, maybe the Akashic Records might be a better word, but "Inner Google" covers all the options I have not even thought of yet. So when some folk are very good at seeing or sensing what others past lives were, or sensitive material that is totally spot on, I sort of consider that to be their own inner abilities, and sometimes you might be lucky enough to meet someone that is awesome at it. They might have a connection with their Subconscious or Higher Self that is usually not easily accessible.

Then there are those that have the understanding that they are getting guidance from their "Guide", whatever that may be, and whether it be correctly identified or not. They might be spot on as to who this inner guide is, or they might not. I have no idea (but would like to know). That inner guide might be a higher dimensional being (I am guessing for want of a defintive answer), or it might be an entity, positive or negative that has assumed the role of "Guide". And may have taken up residence or be communicating from afar. Or, it could be that part of yourself that rarely, if ever communicates with you, your subconscious. Perhaps you have made contact with that. That part of you that has access to that universal google.

Then there are those who a being speaks through.

I am not talking about having psychic abilities. We all have them to a certain extent. Some are all but shut off and others that are awesome at knowing accurately your past lives, knowing they are accurate when they correspond with your own past life memories, have their own awesome abilities, but that is not what I am thinking when I say channeling. I am not thinking "Inner/Universal Cosmic Google", but instead a voice in your head you don't recognize as your own thoughts, but as it has come from somewhere else, and is maybe short and sweet and rarely occurs. Something like an inner unexpected voice like "Don't get on that plane".

Or another type which feels more telepathic. A kind of knowing I think it might be, that you might be sort of given. Something you didn't know, then you do know, without knowing how, but you knew it was put there (or something like that). Some folk feel this is a true form of telepathic communication from ET's, which is not actually channeling at all. The right way to pass on a message without intruding. Maybe that is simply telepathic communication but it all gets tangled quite easily like fishing line when trying to sort it out.

The sort that interests me most, because untangling fishing line is not a favourite job of mine, is the type that happens in a hypnotic regression.

Not sure we are all on the same page.

So the thing is, there is no way that I know of, to tell who that voice is, that is seemingly not yours.

Which is a bit frustrating.
Not referring to a persons "Inner Google" when I am talking channeling.
I am going just by the fragments I think I know.
All this is getting me thinking more anyway.
Thanks.

[Anchor]

> Are there ways of verifying the authenticity of some channeled messages?

No.

I think this is the right answer for the majority of those asking. It is certainly the safest answer.

It is of course too general to be 100% accurate, but I would think it is mostly accurate.

Even reading posts on this forum is a bit like channeling - it is all communication - and it all contains a potential mix of error even if not intentional, though it is the intentional deception you need to be on the lookout for and the signature is different to the errors made in good faith or innocence.

Why would you even think what I say is authentic? What are your clues?

Your only going to get into that rare category of being good at discerning (for yourself) the authenticity or otherwise of a channeled message after some substantial and sustained efforts at refinement.

[findingneo]

This is all very interesting. I think I am just about over it though. Time to look at something else.

[turiya]

I used to belong to the American Society of Dowsers and so I got to know a lot of dowsers, attended events, conferences, etc.
I discovered that many times even the most proficient dowsers got wrong answers when they dowsed.
It's not a fool proof method of arriving at truth, unfortunately.

Similar thing with remote viewing. I am most of the time correct - but not 100%.
It must be because one uses a tool to find out.
But even intuition can rarely be wrong.
Is there a 100% (scientific) way to know?
Is it a quantum mechanic thing which depends from the viewer?

"If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change."
Wayne Dyer (https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/w/wayne_dyer.html)


Dowsing with a pendulum is comparable to a practice used by alternative medical practictioners that use Applied Kineseology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_kinesiology) to find answers for their clients. In Applied Kineseology, practioners have found that in some instances some of their clients are known to be what is called being "Switched".




From:
The Un-Switching Protocol (http://www.singing-woods.org/article_unswitch.pdf)
by Deena Zalkind Spear

The body uses electrical impulses through the nervous system as a way to communicate with itself.

When emotional, chemical, physical, or nutritional stresses cause an overload in the body, these electrical impulses can become
switched, acting like short circuits and transmitting misinformation. Switching also shows itself as some forms of distorted “chi”
in the acupuncture meridian system.

Symptoms of being switched can include brain fog, difficulty following directions, fear, anxiety, feeling scattered, and mood changes.
This protocol offers a fast and effective way to get the circuits of your nervous system back in order — un-switched.

If one has any of these symptoms then one should try to eliminate pent-up emotional garbage from the body-mind mechanism. After taking the time to work on oneself to clear out the so-called "noise" within one's mechansim, then accessing one's Higher Self has better results.

Chris Thomas has a method for doing this. He calls it The Giveaway Method (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas&p=670207&viewfull=1#post670207)

Once enough self-cleansing has be done, then there is signifantly less problems with getting 'false' answers. The symptoms of emotional, chemical, physical or nutrional stresses will be a lot less. The chi energy flows better within one's body-mind mechanism. One's intuitive sense increases. As a result, greater trust in oneself can be realized.

It can be also called 'taking on a greater responsibility for oneself.'

[smat]

Has anyone ever read any of Laura Knyte-Jadczyk's books? I have read around 15 of them, she shares some really interesting material channelled through a spirit board. The Cassiopaean's have been communicating with her for around 23 years and the information is fascinating. Some of my tips or discerning information from channelled sources is to check out some of her books where she explains every aspect of how she got into this, how she learned to trust the information that she received, by asking lots of questions, doing a lot of research and sharing the information. The entities that come through claim to be 6th density S.T.O. They will not volunteer information, they will simply answer questions and aid Laura in her truth seeking journey. I highly recommend you check her out. She has many books on Amazon and also a forum.... https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/board,51.0.html?PHPSESSID=0tg12lotiop5kfb0reham5qgi0

[WhiteLove]

Ok, so that was cancelled. So I have that question also, how to tell the real identity of an entity. There is one that likes to talk to me through a friend, and we can be in a coffee shop and it happens, he starts channeling just while we are chatting. I get the feeling this entity is not very bad, but not, very good. He has established he is said friends "guide" and is ET. We don't encourage it. It wants us to change what we talk about though. We talk about the same sort of subjects like folk talk about here. I have noticed it wants to control the direction of the narrative. And he has only ever channeled this one and only entity since the first day we met, and only when I am about which is once every 6 months or so for a coffee, in a public place. So I want to know exactly why, and who is pulling the strings. Seeing as the "How to tell who the entity is" is still a mystery, I changed it to "Why does the entity that says it is a physical ET, have to communicate this way?" It seems more like an entity swaying on the side of deception, kind of method of communication. What else communicated this way and why this way? It seems intent on convincing us both of certain things, but I don't believe it. Friend is convinced it is benevolent ET. My internal alarm bells say otherwise. It sounds more like a used car salesman. That led me on a wee explore, some of it to your past posts and books Truman. Then I realized I had a few experiences that correlate with a few of your experiences. Such as the wanderer type memories.

There are theories about it and I have one. ;)

If you have read some of my latest posts, I am looking closer into one of my ideas that I basically got from an OBE type experience I had, that there might be something like a truth ladder (metaphorically speaking) present in nature, where truths are converging into absolute love. My idea is that when absolute truth increases, the limitations by the subjectivity of the awareness decreases and the increase in awareness and love provides additional contextual details of positive polarity that creates new more positive versions of any piece of information that has been assigned/defined from a much more subjective/limited/false perspective. Also because now you are able to see more and more of God's infinitely intelligent orchestration in creation, which at its core I believe is infinitely perfect/miraculous as it is a product of total absolute infinite love.

So the answer from this perspective is that the authenticity (or the intelligent reason to listen to the channeled message, let's put it that way) of channeled messages increases the more positive and the less limiting the essence of that information is. More and more limitation and negativity also means a drop in intelligence, because intelligence cannot become infinitely deep/high from a set of false information, but a set of absolutely true information can make intelligence become infinitely deep/high. So therefore, yes there can be polarity locally speaking in which something negative at that level did happen and that's the truth and can be a channeled entity's response to make the recipient understand it from his/her subjective point of view, but there must be a convergence taking place higher up on the truth ladder states the theory... So the difference between let's say a false channel and say a channel of a highly intelligent being, is that the highly intelligent being will also add important positive information to the negative event discussed, which balances it out in absolute love to make the recipient understand more of the totality of it, to the degree that is appropriate. The false channel won't do that to the same degree (because he/she can't) and with the same level of total positivity as a result, potentially because the content comes from the channeler's own physical mind rather than from some highly intelligent entity he/she channels.

I also think that a good indicator is whether predictions are made in the channeled session and how accurate those turn out to be, because absolute love overcomes even the limitation of time, hence it can read the future with absolute accuracy (or forward the request to higher intelligence levels that can do it), there is no point in sharing a prediction through a terminal if there is uncertainty in it which would potentially cause confusion (violation to the law of confusion), it only reveals the degree of limitation/awareness present at the source.

Keep in mind these are some of my ideas at this point and that I am too learning, growing and acting from the degree of limitation being the product of my subjectivity. Therefore I hope I can balance your view/understanding towards truth and clearity by sharing my perspective of it, not knowing precisely its degree of absolute truth relative to your current ideas/understanding.

[regnak]

the only channeling i want is
winning lotto numbers:cash::cash::cash::cash::cash:

[SunSea]

Has anyone ever read any of Laura Knyte-Jadczyk's books? I have read around 15 of them, she shares some really interesting material channelled through a spirit board. The Cassiopaean's have been communicating with her for around 23 years and the information is fascinating. Some of my tips or discerning information from channelled sources is to check out some of her books where she explains every aspect of how she got into this, how she learned to trust the information that she received, by asking lots of questions, doing a lot of research and sharing the information. The entities that come through claim to be 6th density S.T.O. They will not volunteer information, they will simply answer questions and aid Laura in her truth seeking journey. I highly recommend you check her out. She has many books on Amazon and also a forum.... https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/board,51.0.html?PHPSESSID=0tg12lotiop5kfb0reham5qgi0

Hi smat, I've also read many of these books and recommend them also FWIW! The Wave series is excellent for digging down under the surface of our reality. Laura's view is that her communication is an experiment. Information is given, questioned, then research is done. No blind faith, woo woo stuff here. She is a phenomenal researcher and the clues given by the C's more then not, lead to extensive research into many areas such as Earths history, politics, science and health. The end result is more often then not, practical, usable information and truths about our world. Warning: functioning brain cells are required!

One thing thats spoken here often is, if a person is exposing truths that are zealously hidden by the ptb, they're going to be attacked and LKJ certainly passes the test on that account. She is often quite blunt which offends some people as there is a lack of finesse in saying someone is full of bs.

I think that the information she is bringing out with the Cassiopean sessions is being "borrowed" by others and rearranged for various purposes. I see the clues for this in other areas and a means of obscuring and canceling out any benefit from that material.

Richard Dolan wrote the introduction for her book "High Strangeness".

[findingneo]

Thanks Whitelove. Sounds very interesting, I think reading your post made me clarify what it was that I was asking. And you sort of answered that question. I was concerned that ALL channeling might be from a negative source, and that entertaining by listening to even what I would feel is a high being is also dangerous. But is seems to be very much like any human, and I should just not have a knee jerk reaction and dismiss them all. I have come across just 2. One was like someone quite frankly I would not want to spend time with, and was obviously not high vibrational and deceptive although with a friendly manner. The other, simply wanted to bring forward dormant knowledge already in the woman, and encourage her. This being talked of being in Atlantis with her and about how she used to be there and about crystal technology. That being did seem very high vibrational. Ok, I think I can relax a little. I do not want to feed negative beings but i don't want to assume all are negative and cut my nose off to spite my face. Can you tell me about any OBE's? Anyway, thanks Whitelove for sharing what you are researching in your OBE's. :)

[onawah]

Unfortunately, there are also highly intelligent negatively oriented beings!
[QUOTE=WhiteLove;1170096]
So the answer from this perspective is that the authenticity (or the intelligent reason to listen to the channeled message, let's put it that way) of channeled messages increases the more positive and the less limiting the essence of that information is. More and more limitation and negativity also means a drop in intelligence, because intelligence cannot become infinitely deep/high from a set of false information, but a set of absolutely true information can make intelligence become infinitely deep/high. So therefore, yes there can be polarity locally speaking in which something negative at that level did happen and that's the truth and can be a channeled entity's response to make the recipient understand it from his/her subjective point of view, but there must be a convergence taking place higher up on the truth ladder states the theory... So the difference between let's say a false channel and say a channel of a highly intelligent being, is that the highly intelligent being will also add important positive information to the negative event discussed, which balances it out in absolute love to make the recipient understand more of the totality of it, to the degree that is appropriate. The false channel won't do that to the same degree (because he/she can't) and with the same level of total positivity as a result, potentially because the content comes from the channeler's own physical mind rather than from some highly intelligent entity he/she channels.[QUOTE]

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Hmmm, how to put this.

No entity can hide its true nature on the information level. Think of it like a computer program. The program can tell you lies, but you can still look at the underlying code and see what is really going on. And for those who cannot readily perceive on that level, there are methods for forcing this underlying truth to the surface. These methods tend to involve ritual repetition. The false will deviate from the pattern under repetition.

[onawah]

Do you mean that if you keep repeating the same questions, the source will eventually contradict itself?

These methods tend to involve ritual repetition. The false will deviate from the pattern under repetition.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Do you mean that if you keep repeating the same questions, the source will eventually contradict itself?

These methods tend to involve ritual repetition. The false will deviate from the pattern under repetition.

No, I'm simply referring to the overall concept of how it is done. I won't be getting into the details. But that's the overall idea.

[onawah]

Can you give any general idea of how it's done, without going into details?
Why does this information have to be so guarded, and why is something that could be helpful not being shared?
"The false will deviate from the pattern under repetition" really doesn't explain much at all.
Thanks.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Some things should only be learned under the guidance of a Master in a formal and disciplined commitment, not self-taught by someone who reads about it on the internet. There are multiple reasons for this and some of them are for the long term benefit of the practitioner/seeker.

Knowledge without growth is dangerous. If you have power without the spiritual development required to wield it safely, you can become a Milarepa or, in modern terms, Darth Vader. The Taoists refer to a place called the village of the Fallen Masters. Sometimes "Valley" of the Fallen Masters. This is a metaphorical place or state of vibration where those with great potential end up when they lose their way due to seductions of power and ego. I'm sure you can identify more than one that fits that bill in the UFO community.

It is a well-known saying in the Taoist arts that the surest way to sabotage a student is to give them the right information at the wrong time. Students who attain knowledge that they are not ready for find their long term growth stunted and it is rumored that this is done on purpose when a master identifies a future problem child.

When people seek special capabilities or siddhis in order to gain power over others or the illusion of control over their lives, this is very dangerous. And some do it to inflate the ego. Spiritual materialism. There are famous examples of this, such as Crowley and Lavey. These abilities, however, are a natural side effect of raising ones consciousness, developing the capacity for compassion, and the sincere quest for enlightenment. Then, they come naturally and easily and in a more pure form. No need to perform the elaborate rituals of the magician.

Furthermore, those factions who rule over this planet (and others) do not know everything. Or even everyone. There are places, societies, and institutions only whispered of in dreams. Everyone has already heard of a few that have leaked into the public consciousness. They are just myths and stories. Let's keep it that way.

I know I may sound arrogant to some, and that's ok because, let's be honest, I actually am arrogant. ;-) But it's not about me. I give you what I can in the way I hope it is most likely to reach the target. I'm here on purpose and it's not about me.

Anyway, I hope that helps.

[onawah]

Understood. I have a lot of respect for the old teachings.
However, I'm not sure they always fit in unprecedented situations such as we are dealing with more and more today.
Perhaps some innovation is in order, or maybe we are just going to start going back to old ways again.
We seem to have gotten way ahead of ourselves in so many ways, and so slowing down might not be a bad thing.
Nature will no doubt compensate for us, if we don't get back in balance ourselves.

[findingneo]

Ok, so both you Onawah and Whiskey-Magic provide two very different angles that give me more confidence in my gut feelings and considered thoughts, from a balance of perspectives. This helps give me a more balanced perspective, and to where that balance point maybe is. I was concerned I was perhaps being too much swayed on one side or the other by my own thoughts.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Ok, so what do you suggest the next time I go for coffee? Just point blank say, coffee is fine but tell "bleep" I do not want to talk to him? How to tell that friend that their constant companion is not your cup of tea. I know he will get offended. What an absurd conversation. Lol.

Yes. Declare your sovereignty out loud and tell the unwanted that it is not welcome. But you have to mean it. Visualize a golden field around yourself that allows only what is in the highest good to come to you. Declare your space and your right to your sovereignty. And tell your friend that you want their help in this.

[findingneo]

Ok, thanks, I will do Whiskey-Mystic, and I will try not to get thrown out of the coffee shop while I am at it. I will hold my ground. Friend has done the "throwing the puppy out in the rain, betrayed look ", when I have tried that before. I will hold firm this time.

Did you see my add on question regarding a game called "Gray Jedi"? Sorry if this is a totally silly question. If too off topic, could you just send me your thoughts via PM. Thank you.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Ok, thanks, I will do Whiskey-Mystic, and I will try not to get thrown out of the coffee shop while I am at it. Did you see my add on question regarding a game called "Gray Jedi"? Sorry if this is a totally silly question. If too off topic, could you just send me your thoughts via PM. Thank you.

The important thing here is to get your friend to support your choice. Even if he thinks you're silly or wrong. Just ask him to do it for you anyway.

The gray jedi thing is over my head. Sorry. And whatever you do, let the wookie win.

[findingneo]

Ok, I will do, thanks Whiskey-Mystic, even if I have to get him to cover his puppy dog eyes with sunnies while I convince him. barring that, I just won't meet with him.
Doubt the other thing is over your head, it is probably just not true. Ha, ha, you are funny Mr Whisky.

Thank you.
FindingNeo.:boxing::boxing::boxing:

[findingneo]

Sorry, i am just being silly.

[Mister ET]

The main problem with any type of channeling is that there is no way to confirm who or what the "entities" are.

Actually, there are very specific and reliable ways in which this is done. These methods have been handed down through established shamanic lineages for hundreds, probably thousands of years. It's just that most don't have this training because few these days are willing to submit themselves to the rigors and commitment (in time and integrity) of formal apprenticeship.
Yes, that is a way.

Channeling has to be examined on a case-by-case basis. They are entities being channeled that prove who they are the same way a discarnate identifies with an earth-life. They give information which cannot be known by the medium, is known by the individual who is in communication (e.g. physical mediumship seance or a Q/A with channel and channeled entity) or, better yet, is unknown by the individual who is in communication later to be found to be accurate.

Many of the channeled entities could care less if you believe, or not, that they are extraterrestrial in origin, they could care less if you take their communications in part, whole or none at all. These entities want the focus to be on the messages not the messengers.

They there are entities who are coming through to give a voice to your own Higher Mind, the conversations are passed through their presence to the HM, let;s say as a convenience. Imagine, we live in a physical reality that is more comfortable talking to an entity than to one's own Higher Mind. lol :eek:

[Jayke]

The Egyptian book of the dead actually has some pretty solid wisdom on testing the veracity of channelled information (this is how they communicated with their neter gods after all)...similar protocols are found in taoist, zen, shamanic traditions.

I find the taoist protocols to be particularly humorous--they just tell you its all bull**** (illusion) and to just keep on meditating--answers will arise spontaneously from within your own, inner 'clear light of bliss' without you having to depend on external manifestations of form twisting your ego or projecting your own delusions onto the data.

But the Egyptian protocols are as follows...

Step 1: does the information you receive have any accurate signatures (signature means 'signs of nature') i.e. can you find analogies within the data, metaphors that hold up against natural processes within the natural world.

Step 2: if you implement the knowledge you've gained with the intention of getting a specific result, do you get the result you desire? ('effectiveness is the measure of truth' as the Huna axiom states)

And thats as complicated as the protocols get...

if your channelled information doesn't have any practical, applicable, real world value...then what use is the information? you may as well just be telling yourself bedside stories, egoic entertainment.

extended quote from the Egyptian book of the dead


Wisdom from the temples:

The best and shortest road towards knowledge of truth [is]
Nature.
For every joy there is a price to be paid.
If his heart rules him, his conscience will soon take the place
of the rod.
What you are doing does not matter so much as what you
are learning from doing it. · It is better not to know and to
know that one does not know ,than presumptuously to
attribute some random meaning to symbols.
If you search for the laws of harmony, you will find
knowledge.
If you are searching for a Neter, observe Nature!
Exuberance is a good stimulus towards action, but the inner
light grows in silence and concentration.
Not the greatest Master can go even one step for his
disciple; in himself he must experience each stage of
developing consciousness. Therefore he will know nothing
for which he is not ripe.
The body is the house of God. That is why it is said, "Man
know thyself."
True teaching is not an accumulation of knowledge; it is an
awakening of consciousness which goes through successive
stages.
The man who knows how to lead one of his brothers
towards what he has known may one day be saved by that
very brother.
People bring about their own undoing through their tongues.
If one tries to navigate unknown waters one runs the risk of
shipwreck.
Leave him in error who loves his error.
Every man is rich in excuses to safeguard his prejudices, his
instincts, and his opinions.
To know means to record in one's memory; but to
understand means to blend with the thing and to assimilate it
oneself.
There are two kinds of error: blind credulity and piecemeal
criticism. Never believe a word without putting its truth to
the test; discernment does not grow in laziness; and this
faculty of discernment is indispensable to the Seeker. Sound
skepticism is the necessary condition for good discernment;
but piecemeal criticism is an error.
Love is one thing, knowledge is another.
True sages are those who give what they have, without
meanness and without secret!
An answer brings no illumination unless the question has
matured to a point where it gives rise to this answer which
thus becomes its fruit. Therefore learn how to put a
question.
What reveals itself to me ceases to be mysterious-for me
alone: if I unveil it to anyone else, he hears mere words
which betray the living sense: Profanation, but never
revelation.
The first concerning the 'secrets': all cognition comes from
inside; we are therefore initiated only by ourselves, but the
Master gives the keys.
The second concerning the 'way': the seeker has need of a
Master to guide him and lift him up when he falls, to lead him
back to the right way when he strays.
Understanding develops by degrees.
As to deserving, know that the gift of Heaven is free; this gift
of Knowledge is so great that no effort whatever could hope
to 'deserve' it.
If the Master teaches what is error, the disciple's submission
is slavery; if he teaches truth, this submission is ennoblement.
There grows no wheat where there is no grain.
The only thing that is humiliating is helplessness.

An answer if profitable in proportion to the intensity of the
quest.
Listen to your conviction, even if they seem absurd to your
reason.
Know the world in yourself. Never look for yourself in the
world, for this would be to project your illusion
To teach one must know the nature of those whom one is
teaching.
In every vital activity it is the path that matters.
The way of knowledge is narrow.
Each truth you learn will be, for you, as new as if it had
never been written.
The only active force that arises out of possession is fear of
losing the object of possession.
If you defy an enemy by doubting his courage you double it.
The nut doesn't reveal the tree it contains.
For knowledge ... you should know that peace is an
indispensable condition of getting it.
The first thing necessary in teaching is a master; the second
is a pupil capable of carrying on the tradition.
Peace is the fruit of activity, not of sleep.
Envious greed must govern to possess and ambition must
possess to govern.
When the governing class isn't chosen for quality it is chosen
for material wealth: this always means decadence, the lowest
stage a society can reach.
Two tendencies govern human choice and effort, the search
after quantity and the search after quality. They classify
mankind. Some follow Maat, others seek the way of animal
instinct.
Qualities of a moral order are measured by deeds.
One foot isn't enough to walk with.
Our senses serve to affirm, not to know.
We mustn't confuse mastery with mimicry, knowledge with
superstitious ignorance.
Physical consciousness is indispensable for the achievement
of knowledge.
A man can't be judge of his neighbor' intelligence. His own
vital experience is never his neighbor's.
No discussion can throw light if it wanders from the real
point.
Your body is the temple of knowledge.
Experience will show you, a Master can only point the way.
A house has the character of the man who lives in it.
All organs work together in the functioning of the whole.
A man's heart is his own Neter.
A pupil may show you by his own efforts how much he
deserves to learn from you.
Routine and prejudice distort vision. Each man thinks his
own horizon is the limit of the world.
You will free yourself when you learn to be neutral and
follow the instructions of your heart without letting things
perturb you. This is the way of Maat.
Judge by cause, not by effect.
Growth in consciousness doesn't depend on the will of the
intellect or its possibilities but on the intensity of the inner
urge.
Every man must act in the rhythm of his time ... such is
wisdom.
Men need images. Lacking them they invent idols. Better
then to found the images on realities that lead the true seeker
to the source.
Maat, who links universal to terrestrial, the divine with the
human is incomprehensible to the cerebral intelligence.
Have the wisdom to abandon the values of a time that has
passed and pick out the constituents of the future. An
environment must be suited to the age and men to their
environment.
Everyone finds himself in the world where he belongs. The
essential thing is to have a fixed point from which to check
its reality now and then.
Always watch and follow nature.
A phenomenon always arises from the interaction of
complementaries. If you want something look for the
complement that will elicit it. Set causes Horus. Horus
redeems Set.
All seed answer light, but the color is different.
The plant reveals what is in the seed.
Popular beliefs on essential matters must be examined in
order to discover the original thought.
It is the passive resistance from the helm that steers the boat.
The key to all problems is the problem of consciousness.
Man must learn to increase his sense of responsibility and of
the fact that everything he does will have its consequences.
If you would build something solid, don't work with wind:
always look for a fixed point, something you know that is
stable ... yourself.
If you would know yourself, take yourself as starting point
and go back to its source; your beginning will disclose your
end.
Images are nearer reality than cold definitions.
Seek peacefully, you will find.
Organization is impossible unless those who know the laws
of harmony lay the foundation.
It is no use whatever preaching Wisdom to men: you must
inject it into their blood.
Knowledge is consciousness of reality. Reality is the sum of
the laws that govern nature and of the causes from which
they flow.
Social good is what brings peace to family and society.
Knowledge is not necessarily wisdom.
By knowing one reaches belief. By doing one gains

[findingneo]

Some folk here are still confusing their own intuition with channeling. If you are doing remote viewing, you are tuning into that part of yourself that is connected to the cosmic google. Same I imagine with dowsing. Channeling on the other hand is like a different person to yourself altogether. Dowsing, remote viewing, past life regression, is like getting the answer from yourself, the other, channeling, is literally from another source, supposedly another soul or entity or being, usually that does not have it's own body. When someone said no, you can't trust any channeling, of course, that made perfect sense, you can't.