The Mantis Alien (Insectalin) Hybridization Agenda

[Spellbound]

Interesting clip here....runs almost 20 mins. While I agree that the Mantis (Mantids) are rather high up the chain of command, I disagree that all other species are merely hybrids doing the Mantid's bidding. I also disagree with Greer's stance that all ET's are friendly (but that's another discussion).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I57kahZ2mY

Dave - Toronto

[bbow73]

Greer's fear of a extra-terrestrial false flag has him in denial

[SpookyMulder]

Very interesting. Thank you for sharing Spellbound!

I can recall a radio show with Linda Moulton Howe stating that based on her sources and contacts there are 4 or 5 subgroups of alien races that have been created by the Mantis alien one. I also totally disagree withGreer statements, imagine saying that every single human being on this planet is goodness personified. Methinks not.

[bbow73]

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[Omni]

I think Mantids are part of a reptilian Federation. I heard they are a genetic project of the reptilians.

[findingneo]

Thank you.

[findingneo]

I think so too. I wanted to ask you if you have an article I can read on the tech used by black ops to mimic channeling? The AI side of it. I have spoken to a being that a friend just starts to channel in my presence, and am looking at all the possibilities. I get the feeling it is a deceptive entity or maybe AI.

[Omni]

I think so too Omnisense. I wanted to ask you if you have an article I can read on the tech used by black ops to mimic channeling? The AI side of it. I have spoken to a being that a friend just starts to channel in my presence, and am looking at all the possibilities. I get the feeling it is a deceptive entity or maybe AI. It says it is ET. Thanks. Also, do you know anything about AI that is not your usual garden variety in the Banking System? Thanks again.
I'm happy to answer questions, however I don't want to go off topic in this thread. How about we transplant this conversation to this thread: The Electronic Control Grid (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92198-The-Electronic-Control-Grid). I will reply to your questions there shortly.

[7alon]

I think Mantids are part of a reptilian Federation. I heard they are a genetic project of the reptilians.

You heard from who or where? Would just like to check it out also if possible. :sherlock:

[Omni]

I think Mantids are part of a reptilian Federation. I heard they are a genetic project of the reptilians.

You heard from who or where? Would just like to check it out also if possible. :sherlock:
Telepathic contact (Ai based telepathy). Not the most credible source, i know. I have arguably seen a mantid at one point in my life. Note: the memories of this event have been extremely tampered with(although i have gained some clarity in recent times)... One night I was actually given the option to witness a grey or mantid extraterrestrial. I got to choose. I chose mantid. It turned out the eyes of this being lit up about 4 feet in front of me while I was walking alone in the dark woods. It is possible it was some sort of neuroscience trickery (synthetic optics) or a hologram in front of me, but also possible it was a real mantid. I have also had mantid themed electronic telepathy experiences. As I understand them, they are malevolent along with most reptilians involved with our planet. Which made me suspicious about Simon Parkes...

[Foxie Loxie]

Good to hear someone else is suspicious of SP. :sherlock:

[findingneo]

Going for a walk at night, alone Omnisense? You are asking for Mantids, EEK!

I really do like the above video Spellbound that you put up.I have heard in various places about the Mantid's too Omnisense. I take in the info, but don't always remember the source, exactly. I am sure I have heard Kerry Cassidy and co. talking about it, as well as Linda Moulton Howe. From what I recall, gather and extrapolate form all the snippets that overlap, is that not only the Mantid's, but the grey's that do the abductions and another one are too are also in that category of being manufactured. It might just be that the Mantid's make the Grey's. There are manufactured Nordics as well. Apparently they have manufactured Nordics, pretending they are real ones. It all helps when abducting. You don't know what's what when taken. Again, extrapolating from common themes, but they all appear to be part machine, part biological. They seem robotic because they are. But they have a biological part as well. The ones that are the workforce that is. Things get hazy after that. If you disagree, feel free to say why, as I am trying to narrow things down. They do not need to eat, drink, or use the little girl/boys room. Because they are robotic.

Dr David Jacobs stuff is very much on the ball. All folk being abducted are done so to use genetic material to make hybrids which are already integrating into society. He has plenty of documentation on hypnotic regressions, uncovering false memories and the data which support the stages at which the abduction phenomena is changing gears. He has clear evidence, as much as you can get, that there is a take over, happening right now. They have been experimenting, until they get sufficient hybrids born looking human, or passable at least. The forced donors of the genetic material bond with the babies on the crafts. They become attached to their offspring, and many end up assisting the hybrids to integrate into society, teaching them everything about life in our societies. Unlike the fluffy version that they are helping us to evolve to higher beings, that is not the case. And since when is ok to commit horrendous crimes and be called higher evolved than us.

BTW, as I have said elsewhere, I have no problem with the ET that say hello when I do CE5's in my yard at night, alone. They have never done me harm and respond with love. I use the Steven Greer method, but just use his app. I don't actually need it now, they know when I am thinking of them and want to see them and they show up as lights in the sky. I have always wondered why he says there only good ET's when that is obviously not the entire story. But I feel these friendlies are more likely interdimensional and maybe these are not craft but sort of holographics, or maybe a life form that can pop in and then out for a few moments, just to say a playful "Hello". They are aware of my thoughts when others (people around me) are not, but they never intrude. There are different types, and if I don't do a CE5 for a while, another form of response sticks around for a while, until I don't do it for a bit. What are your thoughts on that? I get the feeling they are more Interstellar type communications as well.

[onawah]

Do you not agree that it's possible there can be positively oriented Mantids as well as Reptilians, Omnisense?
(I have never encountered a Mantid, but I have met positively oriented Reptilians.)
There are a lot of people who belong to Simon Parkes' Connecting Consciousness group who believe they have had Mantid lifetimes, and they seem to concur with Simon's opinion that some Mantids are positively oriented.
Other whistleblowers ( I believe Bob Dean is one) have said that there can be both positive and negatively oriented ETs of any given race that they are aware of.



I think Mantids are part of a reptilian Federation. I heard they are a genetic project of the reptilians.

You heard from who or where? Would just like to check it out also if possible. :sherlock:
Telepathic contact (Ai based telepathy). Not the most credible source, i know. I have arguably seen a mantid at one point in my life. Note: the memories of this event have been extremely tampered with(although i have gained some clarity in recent times)... One night I was actually given the option to witness a grey or mantid extraterrestrial. I got to choose. I chose mantid. It turned out the eyes of this being lit up about 4 feet in front of me while I was walking alone in the dark woods. It is possible it was some sort of neuroscience trickery (synthetic optics) or a hologram in front of me, but also possible it was a real mantid. I have also had mantid themed electronic telepathy experiences. As I understand them, they are malevolent along with most reptilians involved with our planet. Which made me suspicious about Simon Parkes...

[7alon]

I think Mantids are part of a reptilian Federation. I heard they are a genetic project of the reptilians.

You heard from who or where? Would just like to check it out also if possible. :sherlock:
Telepathic contact (Ai based telepathy). Not the most credible source, i know. I have arguably seen a mantid at one point in my life. Note: the memories of this event have been extremely tampered with(although i have gained some clarity in recent times)... One night I was actually given the option to witness a grey or mantid extraterrestrial. I got to choose. I chose mantid. It turned out the eyes of this being lit up about 4 feet in front of me while I was walking alone in the dark woods. It is possible it was some sort of neuroscience trickery (synthetic optics) or a hologram in front of me, but also possible it was a real mantid. I have also had mantid themed electronic telepathy experiences. As I understand them, they are malevolent along with most reptilians involved with our planet. Which made me suspicious about Simon Parkes...

Yes, I have trouble with my own memories, especially from my childhood. I have slowly started to gain some back, and I do remember being on a table surrounded by 3 tall beings that look like greys, but some of my memories are still too hazy to remember enough visual detail to determine if they were these mantis type beings.. hmm I suspect they weren't, but can't be sure. I don't recall what their hands look like, but their feet look like they have no toes.. possibly under a membrane that is part of their foot/feet. They were also a bit taller than me.. maybe 5'11" or 6ft.

This is a rough picture I drew a few weeks back. I decided it might be good for my memory if I put it on paper. This is the type of faces I see in my memory. Are they a mantid hybrid of an original mantid species? Species could also trade DNA and do who knows what with it.. Not saying they do, but how do we know they don't either? So much to speculate on.

http://i.imgur.com/h9ouZgN.jpg

[7alon]

Good to hear someone else is suspicious of SP. :sherlock:

For you Foxie :inlove:



Simon Parkes has been opening up on new subjects in Connecting Consciousness (and has recently begun tweeting) FOR THIS REASON. Please listen to his shows carefully as he has been dropping hints since the beginning, but was unable to give certain information until THIS was discovered.

Be careful: Simon Parkes is unethical and untrustworthy personally (especially with women: this is known and established), and, while theoretically unconnected, this does also call into question at least some of his information.

Look up "Simon Parkes" in thread titles in Advanced Search (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?search_type=1), and you'll find a lot of documentation.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97901-Connecting-Consciousness-For-ALL-users-on-this-site-whatever-your-curiosities-or-beliefs&p=1155395&highlight=simon+parkes#post1155395



Do you not agree that it's possible there can be positively oriented Mantids as well as Reptilians, Omnisense?
(I have never encountered a Mantid, but I have met positively oriented Reptilians.)
There are a lot of people who belong to Simon Parkes' Connecting Consciousness group who believe they have had Mantid lifetimes, and they seem to concur with Simon's opinion that some of them are positively oriented.
Other whistleblowers ( I believe Bob Dean is one) have said that there can be both positive and negatively oriented ETs of any given race that they are aware of.

I agree with you here Onawah. This is something I remember very clearly, but I can't explain how? I have a lot of very partial memories surface from time to time. It is basically a fractal thing. I don't know if that is the best word to use, but I can't think of another right now.

When I say (with my poorly articulated thoughts) it is a 'fractal thing', think of our own society; imagine a bigger one that spans the galaxy - or larger! Our society is filled with good, bad and inbetween. Same rules apply microscopically. Is all bacteria bad? No, It is diverse. The species of prokaryotic microorganisms are very diverse indeed. Some forms are good for us, some not so much :)

[findingneo]

Could you please tell us about your experience/s with positive Reptillians Onawah? I would love to hear it. Thank you. :)

[findingneo]

Hi 7alon, do you ever wake up in the morning and have spots of blood on the sheets or pillow, or any marks, bruises or pin pricks on your body? Do certain areas of your body feel a bit odd? And can I ask if it is ok, why you chose an owl as your avatar? Just tell me straight if I am being too intrusive. Sorry if so. Thanks for sharing the above. Very interesting just how many people experience stuff. P.S. Love your choices of emojis.

[Omni]

Do you not agree that it's possible there can be positively oriented Mantids as well as Reptilians, Omnisense?
(I have never encountered a Mantid, but I have met positively oriented Reptilians.)
There are a lot of people who belong to Simon Parkes' Connecting Consciousness group who believe they have had Mantid lifetimes, and they seem to concur with Simon's opinion that some Mantids are positively oriented.
Other whistleblowers ( I believe Bob Dean is one) have said that there can be both positive and negatively oriented ETs of any given race that they are aware of.
Personally I think the flock of reptilian and mantid starseeds Simon is incubating is a mind control program. And I am pretty sure of that.

If the mantids are a genetic creation of evil reptilians, I believe there are literally no good ones. But this doesn't discount the premise that other mantid races could exist. It is quite possible that benevolent mantid races do exist, I just don't think the Alpha reptilians of this galaxy would allow benevolence in their space program after knowing them. And I am well aware that random comments about past lives and ETs are neck deep in mkultra most of the time. Even if someone turns out to be a real contactee, there is always counterintelligence. Real extraterrestrials are a major threat to the shadow government, and I have personally witnessed the psychological warfare that occurs after real contact. They do not just allow you to speak about it ... for example I am battling mind influence and resistance to speaking while typing this, with threats of torture if i say something good.. Those allowed to speak about it without major resistance are almost always psychological operations mind control assets IMO.

This is one reason why I don't like speaking about extraterrestrial information. There is too much disinformation. Simon Parkes is not a trustworthy source of information in my eyes and I don't feel like being his personal psyop deprogrammer.

[mojo]

Always wish the Mantis that revealed himself inside the craft communicated with me. The observations prior to that allowed for knowing there was always caution taken on their part in approaching. In fact it wasn't until across the creek and turned back and flashed a light as if in saying goodnight did anything really big happen. This apparently caused a reaction and the craft came closer fast on the other shoreline and the occupant illuminated some lights inside that allowed viewing him. Only from the waist up though and he was behind a lower illuminated panel. Recall the tall stature, triangle head and large round eyes that even raised above the eye sockets and shape of the triangle face. The other two points no emotion on the part of the Mantis and as was quickly unpacking to film but off went lights, and now just a personal encounter that will always be remembered. Honestly believe some observations never got to film in the many seasons of skywatching and believe it wasnt by accident... In closing for whatever reason that sighting gave me the impression just witnessed the leader behind the contact because other greys were part but did not act so brazenly to turn a light on.

[onawah]

I've made mention of a friend of mine, Sunshine (she just died last year) in a few old posts, here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=654386&viewfull=1#post654386
here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60250-The-Trickster&p=690780&viewfull=1#post690780
and here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93650-Secret-Space-Program-Credibility&p=1102791&viewfull=1#post1102791

I met her about 16 years ago. She was a 4th generation Apache Medicine Woman, very wise and with a good sense of humor.
She had memories of being in Atlantis and of past lives as a Reptilian, though she identified "home" as a planet of feline ETs in the Sirius system.
Her memories of past lives on a planet of Reptilian humanoids were troubled; they were a positively oriented race, but had long been at war with a negatively oriented Reptilian species from a different planet who were very fierce and warlike.
She said her race were allied with other humanoid races who were also at war with the negative Reptilians, so it really sounded like part of the original Lyran narrative, which I learned about later.
Like many things that she told me about the past (though she had never read anything about ET conspiracy theory that I was aware of) which were confirmed by things I read later from various sources.

It was funny the way we first got to know each other.
I was living and working on the staff of a spiritual retreat center in Missouri, and Sunshine was there for a few weeks, visiting a friend of hers who also lived there and was on the staff.
It was during the off season and there were no retreat guests, so she would come and hang out at the house where I lived sometimes, which also housed the Office, and was where I worked.
I was there in the office reading something about the Annunaki online one day when she came in and sat down and started up a conversation.
She asked me what I was studying, and I told her that I had recently been reading about a fierce predatory race of Reptilian ETs who had been secretly ruling Earth from behind the scenes for centuries, thinking that that would probably end the conversation then and there, and allow me to get back to my reading.
To my complete astonishment, she responded very casually, "Oh, I'm from a Reptilian planet!"
I turned and gaped at her asking, "What did you say?"
She burst into merry laughter saying, "You should see the expression on your face!" ( She still laughed about that years later.)
After she had regained control of herself, she recounted her memories of being a Reptilian to me.
I must confess that I was a bit terrified at first, because she was a very large and imposing woman, and I knew she was Apache, so when she said she was Reptilian, I wondered if I was having a bad Contact experience. :croc:
Since I wasn't aware at the time that there were positive Reptilians, and I had only recently become aware of the negative ones and what formidable enemies they are, I wondered if this was some kind of setup.
It just seemed like too much of a coincidence that a Reptilian would suddenly show up in my space right when I was online reading about them, and then declare that she was a Reptilian!
But I think she realized she had frightened me, so she was very reassuring and quick to let me know that she wasn't an enemy.

It was the beginning of a long and very unusual friendship; I will miss her a lot, but I hope she has been able to return to the feline planet she considers her home, which she missed so much.
She was born on an Apache reservation in New Mexico and had two sons who she put through college by driving semi-trucks for about 20 years.
She was tall and imposing, with big bones and broad shoulders and a face kind of like a bulldog, but she had curly blonde hair like a 40s film star (there ARE blonde Apaches--they think they got some genes from the Vikings somewhere in the past), and a very soft, Marilyn Monroe sort of voice, and she giggled like a little girl when she laughed.
She had had a near death experience when she was in her 50s.
She was on the road in her truck with a rookie truck driver she was instructing, and was on a break, taking a nap in the back section of the cab while the rookie drove.
They were on a steep incline, and he lost control of the truck, which rolled back down the road and off the side of a cliff.
She survived with a broken back and multiple other injuries and after a long hospital stay, she retired.
She got some insurance money which allowed her to take classes in alternative healing modalities, so she became a Reiki master and herbalist, in keeping with her family's tradition of Medicine Women.

Although she said she identified more with the Feline species, she thought she had also spent many lives as a Reptilian.
And she thought that was why she had difficulty with human emotions, which she didn't understand very well.
But she had a strong code of ethics, and the way in which she valued the importance of work reminded me of the next Reptilian I met, who I will call Terry, who was my boss some years later.

At first I thought Terry was a typical workaholic, but the more I got to know her, and the more I was around her and felt her energy, the more I was reminded of Sunshine and of the characteristics of Reptilians that I was reading about.
(Kind of like Worf on Star Trek- very serious and dedicated to work, status and to matters of honor. )
She had no patience with slackers, and rarely expressed any emotion or affection (though she was friendly) but she was always gung-ho when it came to work, and she worked every day for long hours until she literally dropped.
I had a really hard time dealing with her energy and her way of relating to people until one day I had a huge AHA :idea: moment and realized that she was a Reptilian.
It all got much easier after that, and I think on some level she realized that I had had some kind of insight into her character, because her attitude towards me changed a lot, and there was a lot more mutual respect after that.

The third person I am sure is quite Reptilian (though also very positively oriented) I have never actually met, but he is a member of Avalon, and his name is Ron Mauer Jr.
He will tell you himself that he identifies himself as having been positively oriented Reptilian, and I hope he doesn't mind that I have "outed" him here! :flower::nod:
I have been reading his posts since he joined and I don't think anyone would argue about him being a very nice guy. :star:


Could you please tell us about your experience/s with positive Reptillians Onawah? I would love to hear it. Thank you. :)



Good to hear someone else is suspicious of SP. :sherlock:

For you Foxie :inlove:



Simon Parkes has been opening up on new subjects in Connecting Consciousness (and has recently begun tweeting) FOR THIS REASON. Please listen to his shows carefully as he has been dropping hints since the beginning, but was unable to give certain information until THIS was discovered.

Be careful: Simon Parkes is unethical and untrustworthy personally (especially with women: this is known and established), and, while theoretically unconnected, this does also call into question at least some of his information.

Look up "Simon Parkes" in thread titles in Advanced Search (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?search_type=1), and you'll find a lot of documentation.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97901-Connecting-Consciousness-For-ALL-users-on-this-site-whatever-your-curiosities-or-beliefs&p=1155395&highlight=simon+parkes#post1155395



Do you not agree that it's possible there can be positively oriented Mantids as well as Reptilians, Omnisense?
(I have never encountered a Mantid, but I have met positively oriented Reptilians.)
There are a lot of people who belong to Simon Parkes' Connecting Consciousness group who believe they have had Mantid lifetimes, and they seem to concur with Simon's opinion that some of them are positively oriented.
Other whistleblowers ( I believe Bob Dean is one) have said that there can be both positive and negatively oriented ETs of any given race that they are aware of.

I agree with you here Onawah. This is something I remember very clearly, but I can't explain how? I have a lot of very partial memories surface from time to time. It is basically a fractal thing. I don't know if that is the best word to use, but I can't think of another right now.

When I say (with my poorly articulated thoughts) it is a 'fractal thing', think of our own society; imagine a bigger one that spans the galaxy - or larger! Our society is filled with good, bad and inbetween. Same rules apply microscopically. Is all bacteria bad? No, It is diverse. The species of prokaryotic microorganisms are very diverse indeed. Some forms are good for us, some not so much :)

[Spiral]

I have had direct experience of mantids & reptilians were always present, I think they have different roles or areas of expertise (that may overlap in the medical area), I don't think for one minute that they are at the "top" or are in charge, the big Dracos with wings are way above them.

I think the mantids area of expertise is that of the "mind", or rather our ontological terrain, they like to play with it & inject things, Simon Parkes as mentioned previously could have been used by them to sow all kinds of things into peoples minds....which will in some way effect our reality one way or another, what with it being plastic & dependent on our beliefs.

[Bubu]

the big Dracos with wings are way above them.



This ones maybe
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/Ciencia/ciencia_adn12.htm

[turiya]

Good to hear someone else is suspicious of SP. :sherlock:


Chris Thomas: Insect ET Alien Beings?
"They Do Not Exist"
(Published on July 29, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1vUhER5qBg

MILABs would no doubt dispute this.

[findingneo]

Thank you Onawah for your reply. I have no idea if there are positive Reptillians out there or not, but I want to talk about it because being prevented is odd. I especially like talking about things that folks have blocks on. Like when someone is questioned on a vital point, or the crux of the matter and the person being questioned answers but not by answering the question, they dance around it and are distracted, without at all realizing they are point blank avoiding the question. Unless the person answering the questions are tenacious (like Kerry Cassidy), the crux of the matter is avoided and the subject goes off on tangents. In other cases, by other people interviewing other interviewees, the host is the one that sabotages the answer. Something mind blowing is starting to come from an interviewee, and the interviewer completely white washes over it to some other more drab and insignificant point.

When an abductee is regressed, there are cover stories there. Dr David Jacob's writes, but common sense says he is going by research, not a desire to have a saviour come and upgrade us for our own good, and the pretty horrendous events that are remembered are not by an awfully nice bunch who actually are doing us a favour. I ask these questions because they are hard. I ask them because I feel like my mind is molasses and my thoughts are lost before I can hold them for long, so I write before I forget. I know something is amiss, and we are not meant to work it our or remember. To remember gives us so many more clues, and we just might work it out if that were to happen. What amazes me and I find it hard to keep hold of that thought, is that there are blatantly obvious things like this, that should be plastered everywhere here, and yet things of far less importance takes up our lives, even here, like a soap opera. Many,many people remember their past lives, or snippets, and yet it is relegated to that spot at the back of the cupboard where the old photographs are kept, and never looked at. Because when you do, you notice something you never did before, but it was always there. When doing a normal garden variety past life regression, not an abduction one where there are things to hide, it is easy to visit a past life and what went on. I have several I have been able to look up and verify details. One where my memory from Dejavu in a part of Scotland, I recall walking back to my base after a top secret mission, in the early hours, to this big, grand house. I felt as if I had just gotten out of a submarine, on the wrong side of Britain to Germany. I thought it silly but was impressed with my own imagination. That was pre internet, or at least before I had even clapped my eyes on the first rudimentary P.C. (Ok, so I am ancient). Move on 15 years, and I sporadically search online, not really expecting to find much. Don't find much, a year or two passes. I don't know the names of these places or I don't get an exact match from my searches. But then one day I do a wider search and I find that in that sea loch and valley is a grand house on the shores (Mind you there only a handful of houses in that valley), and one of them was made into a top secret base to train X Craft pilots and crew. But it was a house just down the road in this out of the way loch form the house I recognized as the place I lived in. As it happened, the training went on further down the dead end road maybe a couple of miles away and the mission was top secret, and this grand house was used as digs for those on that top secret mission. There is a wee bay (and currently subs docked in a larger stretch just a half mile from there) at the location where I felt we (me and two, maybe 3 others)were dropped off. The house being likely a 10(ish) minute walk from sub to house

Anyway, brain fog taking over. Will return later. I get you and I value your clarity, but we are all being messed with I think. Will continue when i can remember. Anyway, it is something about the importance of hearing what peoples memories are in past lives as other species. This will give us a significant clue about souls. Also it will give more clarity/detail about the inter dimensional side of reality. I can't focus. feel like my words are jumbling. I do recall an attack last year where there was an attempt to control me but I got away. All in my sleep. Sounds silly. Maybe I just need a coffee. Maybe that is how we are all controlled. We get foggy and feel silly. The narrative should have been covered way before I got here? Those at the center of this discussion? The neg "R" word? Who is listening and how? Because they are inter dimensional?

[findingneo]

Hey Turiya,

Insect ET Alien Beings?
"They Do Not Exist.........................................................not in terms of the consciousness of a human being. The guy on the video does not say they do not exist, but that "not in terms of the consciousness (consciousness) of a human being.

[Callista]

When posing the question as to whether one ET race or another is benevolent or not, we need to ask ourselves:

"Is Humanity benevolent or malevolent?"

The answer cannot be a generalisation of "yes" or "no", because we will get different answers depending on whether we are considering the example of the life of Hitler or the life of Ghandi...

You will never produce an answer that satisfies everyone, because the conditions and experiences are subjective.

So my advice (for what its worth) is to go with your own experiences and your own gut instinct in every situation, because each situation is different. In the end you have to take responsibility for your own choice in any given matter.

[7alon]

Hi 7alon, do you ever wake up in the morning and have spots of blood on the sheets or pillow, or any marks, bruises or pin pricks on your body? Do certain areas of your body feel a bit odd? And can I ask if it is ok, why you chose an owl as your avatar? Just tell me straight if I am being too intrusive. Sorry if so. Thanks for sharing the above. Very interesting just how many people experience stuff. P.S. Love your choices of emojis.

I'm more than happy to discuss it via PM. I don't want to stray off topic, that's all :)

[findingneo]

No problem 7alon, Thank you. If you send me a PM I will keep an eye out for it.:bigsmile:

[Omni]

"It is difficult to understand the universe if you only study one planet." ~Samurai Warrior Miyamoto Musashi

[Star Tsar]

My brain has problems getting around this concept!
Humans & Insects are just so different from a biological perspective, breathing through skin, no brain.
I just can't see how the two would be compatible & we must remember they may not even be "alien", Insects where on this planet before us after all!

[Spiral]

My brain has problems getting around this concept!
Humans & Insects are just so different from a biological perspective, breathing through skin, no brain.
I just can't see how the two would be compatible & we must remeber they may not even be "alien" insect where on this planet before us after all!


They probably aren't insects at all, they just look like gigantic praying mantis's to those who have seen them.

[Foxie Loxie]

findingneo....just wondering if you have ever checked out the work of George Kavassilas or Robert Stanley? Most interesting!

[turiya]

The more complete statement is:





"Well, if you think of every thing as energy... A soul is a lump of energy, basically, which is humanoid in form. So, the basic form of a soul is human. And that applies to pretty much every race throughout the Universe.

As much as there's interest in to think of, perhaps, there's insect higher life out there - they don't exist. Not in terms of the consciousness potential of, let's say, a human being."

In other words, certainly insect life exists. But to think that insects have the potential of achieving the consciousness level of a human being - that is not going to happen. You are not going to have an insect reach the the same level of awareness of that of a human being. Sorry, you can disagree with that if you like, but that is not what CT is saying.

Certainly, the deep-state black-ops SSP guys may attempt to construct a "programmable biological life-form" that can appear as a Mantid, a Reptilian, or a six-foot tall Ant - sure! And then, have it enter into the bedroom of a human being & play a part in a military abduction scenario, or program / brainwash an abducted individual into believing that a Mantid being is their 'real' mother. Sure, that is entirely possible. People are capable of believing in anything that is fed into their brains. But to have an insect attain the consciousness level of a human being - this is just not going to happen. Period.

That's why I've included in that post #23 that MILABs would probably disagree with what CT has stated. Milabs are part of diabolical experiments that are being done to them by some very sick-minded people.

You have every right to believe in whatever you would like. Be my guest.



Hey Turiya,

Insect ET Alien Beings?
"They Do Not Exist.........................................................not in terms of the consciousness of a human being. The guy on the video does not say they do not exist, but that "not in terms of the consciousness (consciousness) of a human being.

I have been reading john DeSouzas book, The Extradimensionals. He talks about the created species by powerful advanced alien species. Because they are not created by the Creator Source , but by advanced ET created by the Creator Source, with huge abilities, they do not have a soul as we know it. It has some features of a soul, but will cease to exist when that creature dies, unlike the human soul which will eventually make it's way back to source like salmon up a river. These beings may have very long life spans, but want the immortality that we have. We have short lives but immortal souls. So what he means by, "They do not exist, not in terms of the consciousness of a human being", that is what he will mean. This is apparently why we are inferior and superior. Our physical body is short lived with lots of faults and frailties, but our soul lives on. Their non source made bodies live a long time are strong with magnificent abilities, but cease to exist when the body eventually dies. (As a side note, they want want we have, eternal souls and that is a big reason why we are being messed with).

[Spiral]

The more complete statement is:





"Well, if you think of every thing as energy... A soul is a lump of energy, basically, which is humanoid in form. So, the basic form of a soul is human. And that applies to pretty much every race throughout the Universe.

As much as there's interest in to think of, perhaps, there's insect higher life out there - they don't exist. Not in terms of the consciousness potential of, let's say, a human being."

In other words, certainly insect life exists. But to think that insects have the potential of achieving the consciousness level of a human being - that is not going to happen. You are not going to have an insect reach the the same level of awareness of that of a human being. Sorry, you can disagree with that if you like, but that is not what CT is saying.

Certainly, the deep-state black-ops SSP guys may attempt to construct a "programmable biological life-form" that can appear as a Mantid, a Reptilian, or a six-foot tall Ant - sure! And then, have it enter into the bedroom of a human being & play a part in a military abduction scenario, or program / brainwash an abducted individual into believing that a Mantid being is their 'real' mother. Sure, that is entirely possible. People are capable of believing in anything that is fed into their brains. But to have an insect attain the consciousness level of a human being - this is just not going to happen. Period.

That's why I've included in that post #23 that MILABs would probably disagree with what CT has stated. Milabs are part of diabolical experiments that are being done to them by some very sick-minded people.

You have every right to believe in whatever you would like. Be my guest.

I really don't get why you constantly muddy the ufo / abductee field with channeled "material" & making statements of fact about subjects that are 90%+ BS like the SSP, and what the possibility of other lifeforms are, on which NO ONE has much info at all, least of all some youtuber.

"Milabs" is another subject you seem to love posting the most spurious of "material" on as well, milabs in relation to abductees are when people who are abducted by non humans are then abducted by some secret (earth) human group who then try to get any & all information they can, primarily on beings like Reptilians & Mantids, which they would hardly be doing if such being were in fact "bio robots" made by the self same humans (lol) .

The only real claim of bio robots was made by Barry King, and that was a type of grey only, of such claims not much proof or believable corroborating evidence or witnesses have come to light.

As for milabs being the product of sick minded people, I think you are confusing mind control programs with abductees, it's another subject altogether & a totally different bunch of people, the abductee milab people have some degree of compassion for abductees*, after all they have some things in common & have the clearest picture of what is really going on.

* They at least made certain that they took enough precautions to minimise PTSD & cogitative dissonance for me, which I greatly appreciate.

Belief has nothing to do with it for those of us with skin in the game, it's all too real FYI.

[Foxie Loxie]

Spiral....did your experiences start when you were a child? Those of us who have never had any cannot really speak to this issue! :bowing:

[turiya]

I really don't get why you constantly muddy the ufo / abductee field with channeled "material" & making statements of fact about subjects that are 90%+ BS like the SSP, and what the possibility of other lifeforms are, on which NO ONE has much info at all, least of all some youtuber.

"Milabs" is another subject you seem to love posting the most spurious of "material" on as well, milabs in relation to abductees are when people who are abducted by non humans are then abducted by some secret (earth) human group who then try to get any & all information they can, primarily on beings like Reptilians & Mantids, which they would hardly be doing if such being were in fact "bio robots" made by the self same humans (lol) .

The only real claim of bio robots was made by Barry King, and that was a type of grey only, of such claims not much proof or believable corroborating evidence or witnesses have come to light.

As for milabs being the product of sick minded people, I think you are confusing mind control programs with abductees, it's another subject altogether & a totally different bunch of people, the abductee milab people have some degree of compassion for abductees*, after all they have some things in common & have the clearest picture of what is really going on.

* They at least made certain that they took enough precautions to minimise PTSD & cogitative dissonance for me, which I greatly appreciate.

Belief has nothing to do with it for those of us with skin in the game, it's all too real FYI.

Sorry Spiral - didn't mean to get you so upset.
By 'muddy', you mean having a differing view & opinion than your own?

By stating "90% + BS" - its awfully hard to prove a negative.

Yes, "Milabs" is a subject of concern. Not just for me but for anyone that gets abducted & "played with" by the military - by people that are supposed to protect the citizenry. This would include cattle mutilations that had plagued a number of cattle ranchers throughout the Western U.S. in the recent past.

I would not say that Milabs are a 'product' of sick-minded people, but 'victims' of sick-minded people. The same kind of mind that loves to go to war to fill their pockets with the wealth they derive out of such nefarious mass-murdering agendas. The same kind of mind that had gathered together on Jekyll Island to plan their grand deception & scheme to extract vast amounts of wealth from innocent people. The same kind of mind that harvest organs from innocent men, women & children, to sell on the market place. The same mind that invades other countries with the agenda to extract resources, to guard poppy fields, and harvest 'black gold' from their countryside.

I don't think there is a difference.

Regarding Reptilians & Mantid alien beings, I have not seen any evidence that such creatures actually exist.
I have my doubts as to whether anybody can provide such evidence.

Sorry if you took offense to my skepticism. I am not alone in expressing such doubt.
I have my own way of separating fact from fiction.
I will try not to disturb you again.

Peace- out.

[turiya]

____________Late Add to the Above Post____________

Programmed Biological Life Forms


...The only real claim of bio robots was made by Barry King, and that was a type of grey only, of such claims not much proof or believable corroborating evidence or witnesses have come to light.

To finish up on this particular point regarding programmed biological enities... It is not only Barry King that has talked about this kind of possibility existing, there is also Linda Moulton Howe who discusses this very thing with Whitley Strieber in the following video... And, you can't get any more further out of "Muddy" than with these two UFOlogy researchers... Note: Published on Nov 16, 2013

Oh, and btw, Barry King had also mentioned a progammable biological life form that he said was Reptilian in appearance. And also, do you think these military black-ops, deep state sick-minded people are going to limit themselves manufacturing only gray beings? That may be a bit of a short-sighted way of thinking, if you would ask me... just saying...


Dreamland: After A 30 Year Silence, A Sheriff Tells
The Truth About Cattle Mutilations 9-27-2013 (https://youtu.be/DoxXufJpNWQ?t=41m31s)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DoxXufJpNWQ/hqdefault.jpg
VIDEO (https://youtu.be/DoxXufJpNWQ?t=41m31s) TRANSCRIPTION Starts @41:30:



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Linda1981EmmyStrangeHarvest300dpi.jpg/220px-Linda1981EmmyStrangeHarvest300dpi.jpg
__Linda Moulton Howe:__

"Between 2002-2013, in Argentina alone - its been going on in many parts of the world - but, in Argentina alone, the count [animal mutilations] now is estimated to be somewhere around 4,500 animals. In that decade, in Argentina - which matches what happenened in Canada & the United States in the 70's."

Whitley Strieber: How interesting. So, its moving around. Its like they work one area, then they move on and work another...

Let's talk a little bit about what this is... Because, what we can see of it is... material is being taken that is full of stem cells & sexual material. Another thing is that cattle are very close to human beings in their DNA make-up - surprising so...

Linda Moulton Howe: Only 4% difference.

Whitley Strieber: Now, if you were skilled, and had a little DNA & a lot from these animals, you might be able to build yourself a body that would work in our environment. And look pretty convincingly human - at least, if no one checked out its DNA.

Linda Moulton Howe: Or would look like the Gray androids....

I have talked with people in the human abduction syndrome long ago - 20 some years ago, who told me that the little grays with the big black eyes were constructed biological genetically engineered - 'android' - is correct, because they're biological, but they are doing robotic work => programmed <= like a computer for another intelligence. And that makes a great deal of sense to me, if you look back over the last 40-50 years, and you add to it this extremely important data point.

I did an interview about 5 years ago with a son of a man, his father, who had worked Wright-Patterson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright-Patterson_Air_Force_Base) in 1947 in their medical unit. And that father was ordered by a general - at 2 o'clock in the morning, he was called at home, ordered to come in as soon as possible, and met two other surgeons. And, they were to an autopsy. The general did not say 'this is an extraterrestrial'. The general told the father,

"I want you to use this clip board." And handed it to him, with paper. And, "I want you to make a running stream of everything that you observe while the other two surgeons are doing this autopsy. This is extremely important."The father stood on the wall opposite the two surgeons who first started arguing about whether they would first to a 'T' or a 'Y' cut to begin the autopsy - on clearly a non human - on their surgical table.

And, the first note that was made by the father was that 'when they finally decided & they brought the scalpel to the body of this extraterrestrial, and they began dragging the knife to make this cut, the knife wouldn't cut through anything... And, the knife actually hung up. The surgeon said, and the father noted down... "This is not tissue we are dealing with, here. This is some kind of fabric.

And the father told the son, who I did this amazing interview with - before the father died - the father had told the near the end of his life, that he was convinced, and so were his superiors, that this wasn't a leotard... because they ended up getting into the body... that the surface of this particular type [of being] was some sort of inorganic fabric on an organic being that they classified as an 'Android.'

That is, to me, one of the most important lens through which to look at this menagerie of what people call "the Grays."

[onawah]

Dr. Pete Peterson, at about 25 minutes into this interview, speaks of Insectoid ETs:
https://www.gaia.com/give/video?token=cj5tzn6jw003301mb8zoft97n
From this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4417-The-Saga-of-Dr.-Pete-Peterson&p=1170578&viewfull=1#post1170578
(Possibly there will be a transcript as well).
update: He also expresses deep appreciation for the positively oriented Reptilians he has encountered.

[findingneo]

Hi Foxie Loxie,

Nice to meet you. I have not heard of George Kavassilas, I will check him out, but I talk to Robert Stanley on a fairly regular basis via email. Lovely chap. Thank You.:dancing:

Just went and had a peek at George's site, yeh...nup. I am not fond of folk that only want money to share anything that they know. I did not find out a thing by looking at his page and he wants to be paid to give something I might just already have. But I can't find out, because he hoards it.Not my cup of tea. :lock1:

Robert on the other hand, is a gem. Very willing to educate anyone. That is someone who genuinely wants to help humanity and not just look out for number one first like George is doing. Thanks Foxie Loxie for the thought though.:sun:

[Foxie Loxie]

Hello to you, findingneo! Sorry you couldn't check out the G. K. stuff. I don't follow him, personally, but really enjoyed the interviews of his that are available here on Avalon! I've only been gathering info for a little over two years, so am trying to sift through & figure out what the heck is REALLY going on! Guess we'll never know, but it's interesting to hear everyone's opinions & experiences! It seems to help in figuring out what has happened in one's own life! :sherlock:

What was YOUR Lightbulb Moment that got you to thinking "outside the box"?!! :idea:

[turiya]

Programmed Biological Life Forms


...The only real claim of bio robots was made by Barry King, and that was a type of grey only, of such claims not much proof or believable corroborating evidence or witnesses have come to light.

To finish up on this particular point regarding programmed biological enities... It is not only Barry King that has talked about this kind of possibility existing, there is also Linda Moulton Howe who discusses this very thing with Whitley Strieber in the following video... And, you can't get any more further out of "Muddy" than with these two UFOlogy researchers... Note: Published on Nov 16, 2013

Oh, and btw, Barry King had also mentioned a progammable biological life form that he said was Reptilian in appearance. And also, do you think these military black-ops, deep state sickos are going to limit themselves to manufacturing only little gray beings? That may be a bit of a short-sighted way of looking at this... just saying...




Barry King CSETI Disclosure
Peasemore Reptilian
(Published on May 1, 2009)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQoEonRuFDw

[onawah]

Bumping this :bump: inasmuch as both Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan have cited Dr. Pete Peterson as being among the handful of whistleblowers who they consider to have the highest credibility, right up there with Arthur Neumann, Linda Howe and Richard Dolan, I think we must pay attention to his assertion that there are humanoid beings who are also Insectoid in nature. He didn't say that they are genetically engineered hybrids or clones or anything of that nature. but seems to categorize them as actually having evolved that way naturally, inasmuch as any species has done so...
It seems like there has been a whole lot of crossbreeding going on since time out of mind, so I wonder if anyone can trace the true origins of any race with any real surety.

Dr. Pete Peterson, at about 25 minutes into this interview, speaks of Insectoid ETs:
https://www.gaia.com/give/video?token=cj5tzn6jw003301mb8zoft97n
From this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4417-The-Saga-of-Dr.-Pete-Peterson&p=1170578&viewfull=1#post1170578
(Possibly there will be a transcript as well).
update: He also expresses deep appreciation for the positively oriented Reptilians he has encountered.

[bogeyman]

You wanna know what they are up to and why they are here? Perhaps the Earth's life support system that produces the gases that sustain life is failing. The spiritual component of mankind hasnt been evolving for thousands of years and needs to in order for mankind to move past its present course of actions and behaviour, and increase the natural abilities which come from the spirit. Perhaps there are dark and evil forces present on the spiritual planes of existence which need to be contained and cast out from the Earth in order to put things right. Don't judge by our yardstick of what is out there in space, our yardstick is more twisted than a cork screw.

[turiya]

Regarding this GaiaTV / Wilcock interview
with Pete Peterson:

Apologies go out to all those Zecharin Sitchin fans that would be more than willing to jump on board the 'Reptilian & Mantis are Real' bandwagon, as it has been promoted in this GaiaTV / David Wilcock interview with Pete Peterson.

I have to say, a red flag immediately went up for me when David Wilcock steered the direction of the interview into what I have previously called the "Zecharia Sitchin / Annunaki / Creator-gods / Gold Mining / Nibiru koolaid punch Bowl." And as revealed by Pete Peterson - in his own words - has obviously shown that he consumed a fair amount of. This, in itself, is enough to "throw the towel in the ring", and discredit whatever else comes out of Pete's mouth.

I must admit that I have a personal respect for the man - Pete Peterson - for his statement of patriotism, his support for this American Constitutional Republic, his list of supposed accomplishments & genius for what he has supposedly done for humanity, and his warnings of a coming collapse of the world economy.... All of which makes absolute sense...

However, Pete Peterson's mention of the Annunaki having come to this planet for their supposed lust for gold (to prolong their already extensively long lives), as being the creator gods of humanity for the purposes of mining for that gold... this but wreaks & smells badly of Zecharia Sitchin folklore fantasy. It is quite disappointing to see that Pete Peterson, being a man of his caliber, has bought into such fantasy fiction nonsense as being anything close to a true reality.

David Wilcock plays his part to a 'T' in his attempts to mislead the audience in the way he phrases his lead-up to the question that he queries. The specific question is tainted with bias when he poses the following to Pete:

"So, when we go back to the Cuneiform Tablets of Sumerian texts, MOST of the conventional scholarship on that now is in agreement that these Annunaki were some type of extraterrestrials, and they specifically were coming to Earth to steal our gold.

Do you have any comments on that?" (Emphasis mine.)
This is a misleading statement, as we have a prominent scholar, Michael Heiser, drawing his own investigative conclusions into Zecharia Sitchin's credentials relating to his qualifications for correctly translating the Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets...
Be sure to also have a look on Michael Heiser 's website > Sitchin is Wrong (http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/sitchinerrors.htm): Zecharia Sitchin's Errors: An Overview


Zechariah Sitchin has NO Credintials
Michael Heiser
(Published on Feb 1, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZkkNHR1p6k

There are a number of interviews that Michael Heiser has made that can be found on the internet, all debunking Zecharia Sitchin proposed theories regarding the outlandish things he has said in his several published books.

It must also be brought out that Zecharia Stitchin was a member of the Illuminati, as revealed in the following video clip...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj2ybmocVfo

This is typically the style of David Wilcock... adding embellishment(s) in making statement(s), as if were indeed the truth. The use of the word 'Most of conventional scholarship' - better & more correct to replace it with 'Some of conventional scholarship'.

The interview does make it a bit confusing as its title and subject matter relates to 'Three Fingered Technology'. In the interview, Pete states that most all aliens have three fingers. And that these type of aliens with three fingers are most prevalent. And describes them as being artificial life forms, robotic in nature, in the service of other entities. Then later in this same video he moves into describing the 15 different types of aliens that were on board this second craft that was found beneath the icy surface back in the early 1940s. And that many were shot & killed by Germans. Peterson then moves on to describe these different races by his mention of an insect variety.

Now, it must be mentioned that it is quite unclear as to whether Pete Peterson is still talking about a robotic biological life forms when he starts talking about the 15 different kinds of aliens that had apparently shared this particular spacecraft?



Regarding this GaiaTV Wilcock interview with Pete Peterson (Excerpt taken from Post #188 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4417-The-Saga-of-Dr.-Pete-Peterson&p=1170963&viewfull=1#post1170963) from another thread & posted below in part):



David: So when we go back to the cuneiform tablets, the Sumerian texts, most of the conventional scholarship on that now is in agreement that these Anunnaki were some type of extraterrestrials and that they specifically were coming to Earth to steal our gold.

Do you have any comments on that?

Pete: We, as a race, exist only because we were designed to be gold miners. That's why we exist.

We were a genetically-manipulated cross-breed of the Anunnaki and . . . I'll give you an example, which is easy to tell.

I think we have about 92% of the same DNA as the chimpanzee.

David: Chimpanzee DNA is 98.8% similar to human DNA.

Pete: Yep. And very early people were not fair of look and bred by the Anunnaki. Ha, ha. They bred a lot more into us.

And that's why a lot of the aliens . . . I mean, you know, we're bipedal. We have hands, We have fingers. We have two ears, two eyes, two nostrils, one mouth.

And we look at a good part of the aliens and they're exactly the same.

David:Right. So, just to be clear, are you saying that the Anunnaki bred us out of something like a chimpanzee and then mixed their own DNA with it?

Pete: We were somehow bred into what had the DNA . . . similar, obviously very similar, to chimpanzee. It gave us the ability to squat down, get in small . . . Gold usually appears in very small cracks.

You follow the crack up through the Earth. It came up with water and then set up.

And remember that a lot of gold is found in quartz. Most gold is found in a quartz deposit.

David: Hm.

Pete: Quartz is piezoelectric. If you squeeze it, it produces electricity.

David: Right.

Pete: The electricity would do the conversion process. The movement of the Earth would make the electricity that did the conversion process. That's why we find yellow gold there.

David: Do you think there is a relationship between the Anunnaki that we're talking about just now and the crashes that you personally saw in Antarctica?

Pete: Well, I think there is because the Anunnaki were the ones who . . . Imagine a mining claim. Well, the Anunnaki were the first people to find that there was a lot of gold on Earth.

David: Hm.

Pete: So they had a certain claim and were given a certain task by their task masters, who are, very probably, Draconian.

David: Are these three-fingered people still on Earth with us today?

Pete: When I was reverse engineering the controls, I had three-fingered people helping me.

David:Really? What would they look like in terms of their head and face?

Pete: Well, there's a difference in the eye structure because of the inner eye fold between Orientals and Anglos. So you have that kind of difference. It's different.

Lesser nose and different nostrils.

Their mouths are round, kind of like an octopus sucker. I mean, they're more round than ours.

Their food is produced by them eating food and excreting an excretion that comes off their skin. And they scrape it off and eat it.

David: Hm. Is there anything about the head that we should know about?

Pete: Well, it's different, but it's very much the same.

David: What's the color of the skin of these beings that you personally interacted with?

Pete: Well, they are differing colors. I've seen them look almost like aluminum. And I'm not sure but what they might not be, you know, might be aluminum. They might be clones, because they tend to clone these people.

And they are clones, by the way. This is why their whole feeding system works differently than ours does.

David: Hm.

Pete: They're actually like robots, but they're more biological than non-biological.

David: Hm.

Pete: I have kind of clandestinely measured the electric fields to kind of get some information, and I can't find any different . . . much different than the human electric field.

David: Are there any known places on Earth where these people or creatures might have been?

Pete: Yep. Arctica, Antarctica, Alaska, Canada. Most people don't know, but the Yukon and the Northwest Territory are not part of Canada. They're owned by the . . . whoever the sovereign of England is. They're directly . . . They're privately owned.

But that's where most of the gold is found. Surprise, surprise.

David: Ha, ha.

Pete: Ha, ha.


No. Really, the laugh is on you guys!
:)

[onawah]

I doubt Wilcock has much credibility left here on Avalon, and Dr. Peterson's is no doubt going to be shaky now that he is associated with DW and Gaia, but I have not yet seen any better explanation than Sitchin's for Michael Tellinger's discoveries of ancient camps and gold mines in Africa right about where Sitchin said they would have been.
https://ancientexplorers.com/blogs/news/100-000-year-old-ruins-of-south-africa
I4biMw9HK5Y

[turiya]

Tellinger also has consumed much of the Sitchen Koolaid... one may be amazed to see just how many have dipped into that koolaid punch bowl...


:)

More on Sitchen from Michael Heiser


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJNbJVHlMYA

[Lookingforrealtruth]

@Omnisence , as well as anyone that might not know.

Just because a someone is using a "reptilian" body (or what ever body) - does not mean evil , it's what matters on the inside, a someone could be negative with any body ("human","reptilian","mantis"/"mantid",etc).

Cannot say certain for all individuals of any looks, if so, then there is prejudice.

[onawah]

Koolaid doesn't explain the very real archeological discoveries in Africa, of mines and settlements hundreds of thousands of years old.

Tellinger also has consumed much of the Sitchen Koolaid... one may be amazed to see just how many have dipped into that koolaid punch bowl...


:)

More on Sitchen from Michael Heiser


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJNbJVHlMYA

[turiya]

No. But drinking Koolaid (tainted with LSD), as was done in the 60's, explains why people hallucinate many such delusions that they want to make out of something that has an entirely different explanation...

Today, people hallucinate by simply "believing" in what they want to be real. Such people have a hard time separating fact from fiction. This, of course, would mean seeing Reptilians or Mantid beings that aren't really there.

A coil of rope has known to have been mistaken for a snake in various parables. People get addicted to the rush of adrenalin. It is a drug, btw... Hallucinations will come from ingestion of drugs. Drugs, too, come in many forms. A desiring mind is an intoxicated one.

[Bob]

That's quite a generalization - would you have a list of names? The above post suggest such is literal instead of metaphorical.. there fore..


Tellinger also has consumed much of the Sitchen Koolaid..

Are you saying Tellinger and Sitchen partake in LSD? or other hallucinogens?

Just asking to keep the focus on what Onawah was reporting on mines being found. I have an opportunity to do surveys on such sites sometime this year. I am interested in what's there and certainly won't off the wall poo poo because of personal bias for an observer finding some anomaly that needs explanation. Sitchen no doubt has a strong belief system where things came from, but I am interested in finding things and documenting that they are there - who put them there is not in my personal search.. I am interested in the objectivity of anomaly being present.

from the edited post:


No. But drinking Koolaid (tainted with LSD), as was done in the 60's, explains why people hallucinate many such delusions that they want to make out of something that has an entirely different explanation...

Today, people hallucinate by simply "believing" in what they want to be real. Such people have a hard time separating fact from fiction. This, of course, would mean seeing Reptilians or Mantid beings that aren't really there.

A coil of rope has known to have been mistaken for a snake in various parables. People get addicted to the rush of adrenalin. It is a drug, btw... Hallucinations will come from ingestion of drugs. Drugs, too, come in many forms. A desiring mind is an intoxicated one.

[turiya]

It is a metaphor... buying into a 'belief' system, is drinking 'the Koolaid'. It is not an uncommon phrase that has been used. I remember MSM, and some politicians, have used it as a substitute phrase for what they have referred to as "Conspiracy Theorists".


would you have a list of names?

Not available. Besides, I don't want to be sent on a holiday...


:)

[onawah]

Tellinger's discoveries are well documented and hardly hallucinations.
Here is his bio from Graham Hancock's website, where he was featured as author of the month:

Biography
Michael Tellinger is a scientist, researcher, and regular guest on more than 200 radio shows in the United States, United Kingdom, and Europe, such as Coast to Coast AM with George Noory and the Shirley Maclaine Show. In March 2011 he hosted the Megalithomania Conference in Johannesburg, South Africa, featuring Graham Hancock, Andrew Collins, and Robert Temple. He lives in South Africa.
www.michaeltellinger.com
Here is the Introduction and the article that Hancock featured about Tellinger:
September 2013 AOM: Decoding the Hidden Ruins of Southern Africa – Discovering the True Cradle of Humankind
Michael Tellinger
Published 31st August 2013

Please welcome for September 2013 Author of the Month Michael Tellinger, whose new book African Temples of the Anunnaki -The Lost Technologies of the Gold Mines of Enki, provides Archaeological proof of the advanced civilization on the southern tip of Africa that preceded Sumer and Egypt by 200,000 years. The evidence also shows how these 200,000-year-old sites perfectly match Sumerian descriptions of the gold mining operations of the Anunnaki and the city of Enki.
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The history of southern Africa is one of the great untold stories of the world. It has remained a guarded mystery by traditional knowledge keepers and African shaman for thousands of years. But in 2003 everything changed with the accidental and serendipitous discovery of an ancient stone calendar that caused a chain reaction of events, which led us to decoding one of the greatest missing pieces regarding our human origins and the activity of the Anunnaki on planet Earth.

Many history books and scholars have told us that the first civilisation on Earth emerged in a land called Sumer, some 6000 years ago. This Sumerian civilisation left behind a detailed account of human activity in millions of clay tablets that continue to reveal critical human behaviour and outlines the relationship between the Anunna gods and the people of Sumer.

But our archaeological discoveries that began in 2003 suggest that the Sumerians may have inherited much of their knowledge from a civilisation that emerged many thousands of years earlier in southern Africa, already thought to be the cradle of humankind. These discoveries also suggest that the same deities, who have become known as the Anunnaki through the works of Zecharia Sitchin and many others, were also very active in the lives of the people of southern Africa, more than 200,000 years ago.

In 2003, a strange arrangement of large stones that were neatly planted at the edge of a cliff near the town of Kaapschehoop, South Africa, was spotted by Johan Heine from his aeroplane. After returning to the spot the next day to see the site on the ground, he instantly realised that this was no ordinary, nor natural arrangement of monoliths, and so began a process of measurements and calculations that lasted several years. His meticulous analysis clearly shows that this was an ancient calendar that is aligned with the movements of the sun, solstices and equinoxes, and that we can still mark every day of the year by the movement of the shadows cast on the flat surface of the calendar stone at the centre of the site.

But as it is with many ancient sites, including Stonehenge, the calendar aspect is not the main purpose of this structure, but merely a crucial feature built into the site. We have discovered deeper and more mysterious functions that only became apparent after many electronic and scientific measurements several years later.

Through its alignment with the stars and the movement of the sun, this African Stonehenge that I named ‘Adam’s Calendar’ has for the first time created a link to the countless other stone ruins in southern Africa, and suggests that these ruins are much older than we initially thought and forces us to start rethinking the activity by early humans in the so-called “Cradle of Humankind”.

The discovery of this calendar site was nothing new to Johan Heine, who had already spent at least 15 years photographing mysterious circular stone structures scattered throughout the mountains and valleys of southern Africa. These circular stone ruins have become affectionately known as the “stone circles” and they lie scattered in large clusters throughout the entire sub-continent that includes South Africa, Zimbabwe, Botswana and parts of Mozambique. The complex that links Nelspruit, Waterval Boven, Machadodorp, Carolina, Badplaas, Dullstroom and Lydenburg, and has a radius of approximately 60 kilometres, covering an area larger then modern-day Los Angeles, has emerged as the largest and most mysterious ancient city on Earth.

The discovery of a bird statue that resembles Horus carved out of dolerite, a small sphinx about 1,5 metres long carved out of the same dolerite rock, a petroglyph of a winged disk, many carvings of Sumerian crosses in circles and an ankh in a radiating circle suggest that the prototype Sumerian and Egyptian civilisations had their origins in southern Africa thousands of years before they emerged in the north.

After meeting Johan Heine in early 2007, he invited me, along with a large group of the most senior scholars in the field of archaeology, history and geology from several South African universities, to experience the spectacular vista of the ruins from a helicopter, an event that spanned an entire weekend. Though this was an incredible opportunity of a birds-eye-view of the stone circles, on the day of the event, I was the only one to arrive. And so, I alone gained new perspective and became the one that carried the torch of future research and investigation.

Six years of research by a group of independent scientists and explorers has delivered what may be the crucial missing elements in our understanding of the lives and development of early modern humans. Our discoveries have been noted in two books – Adam’s Calendar and African Temples of The Anunnaki and will be updated in the soon to be released The Lost City of ENKI. But the research has also shown that these stone settlements represent the most mysterious and misunderstood structures found to date. It points to a civilisation that lived at the southern tip of Africa, mining gold for more than 200,000 years, and then completely and suddenly vanished from the radar. We may be looking at the activities of the oldest civilisation on Earth.

Little did I know that when I named the newly discovered stone calendar “Adam’s Calendar” how close to the truth I would be. This was only revealed to me by the preeminent Zulu Shaman Credo Mutwa some 2 years later, when he told me that he was initiated at the site in 1937 as a young shaman, and that this site is known to African knowledge keepers as Inzalo Ye Langa, or “Birthplace of The Sun”, where “heaven mated with mother earth” and where humanity was created by the gods.

But Credo went even further in his detailed explanation of the deep significance of the site when he explained that it was not just any god of the ancient times that created humanity, but specifically a deity that is know in Zulu as “Enkai”, the same deity know as ENKI in the Sumerian texts. This throws a whole new spin on our understanding of the Anunnaki on Earth and the “fingerprints” they left not only on ancient stone ruins but also the genetic manipulation and creation of the human race. These fingerprints have now been very clearly exposed in our genetic makeup by the brilliant work of William Brown, a molecular biologist and geneticist of the highest order who is part of the research team of Nassim Haramein’s Resonance Project Research Foundation, on the island of Kauai.

Out of Synch Alignments

After surveying Adam’s Calendar, it turned out that the north, south, east, west alignment is out by 3 degrees – 17 minutes – 43 sec in an anti-clockwise direction. This may be a critical discovery regarding turbulent times in antiquity because it irrefutably proves that the earth’s north-south alignment today, is not where it was when the calendar was constructed. It irrefutably proves that our planet has undergone a crustal displacement, or something along those lines, taking the north-south pole alignment with it. The theory of Crustal Shift or Crustal Displacement was proposed by scientist Charles Hapgood and strongly supported by Albert Einstein. Adam’s Calendar gives us the geophysical proof that such events did actually occur. What we do not know however at this stage, is when this shift happened.

Mysterious ancient ruins of southern Africa.

Until I started my research in 2007, it was generally accepted by scholars that there are about 20,000 ancient stone ruins scattered throughout the mountains of southern Africa. Modern historians have been speculating about the origins of these ruins, often calling them “cattle kraal of little historic importance”. The truth of the matter is that closer scientific inspection paints a completely different and astonishing new picture about the ancient history of these stone ruins. The scientific reality is that we actually know very little about these spectacular ancient ruins and it is a great tragedy that thousands have already been destroyed, and continue to be destroyed through sheer ignorance by power lines, forestry, municipalities, farmers and new housing developments.

After my personal explorations on foot and by air over the ruins, I confidently estimated the number of ancient stone ruins to be well over 100,000. This figure was confirmed by Prof. Revil Mason in January 2009. But after doing an extensive count on Google Earth and other aerial photographs I concluded that there are at least a staggering 10 million of these circular ruins. The mystery deepened when I found out that they have no doors or entrances in their original form and therefore could not have been dwellings. They were all originally connected by what we now call channels – (which our history books call roads that tribes drove their cattle on) – and are also surrounded and connected to an ongoing grid of agricultural terraces that cover more than 450,000 square kilometres. This clearly points to a vast vanished civilisation who grew crops on a gigantic scale.

Population Problem

This immediately poses a huge problem for archaeologists, anthropologists and historians because the accepted history of this part of the planet does not at any time in our past place anywhere nearly enough people here to have built this number of structures. It gets even more complex when you realise that these were not just isolated structures left behind by migrating hunter-gatherers, but a giant complex of circular structures all connected by the strange channels and suspended in a never-ending web of agricultural terraces. If we were to assume that these were dwellings, it would suggest a population of at least 10 million people – which is unimaginable to most of us today.

Ancient Gold Fields

It is important to note that the mysterious ruins of southern Africa, which include Great Zimbabwe and millions of similar ruins in that country, also extend into neighbouring areas like Botswana, Namibia, Zambia, Kenya and Mozambique. But why were these ancient people here in the first place? What were they doing?

The past 200 years has seen a number of explorers write in great detail about these ruins, but their findings have been largely forgotten and their books are out of print. Most of these early explorers write about thousands of ancient mine shafts found in close proximity to these ruins. In fact, most of these mines have been described as gold mines, copper, tin and iron mines. In my personal experience and research I have found at least 25 ancient mine shafts in gold-rich areas and been told about dozens more by farmers all over South Africa. Ancient mines covered by 30 metres of soil have been reported by at least 2 miners in the ‘30’s in the province of Limpopo and more than 75,000 mines have been reported by geological companies in Mpumalanga. It seems that gold mining has been going on here for a lot longer than most of us ever imagined.

Ann Kritzinger, a geologist from University of Zimbabwe has shown in several papers that many of the ruins in Zimbabwe were most likely for the purpose of extracting and purifying gold – and were not slave pits, animal pits or grain pits as is often suggested by ignorant scholars.

The presence of Dravidian gold miners is shown in great detail by Dr Cyril Hromnik in his astonishing book “Indo Africa” 1981 – showing in great detail the exploits of the MaKomati people – Hindu Dravidians – who were here in southern Africa mining gold as far back as 2000 years ago and probably even further back in time.

Sumeria and Abantu

The links to the Sumerian civilisation in southern Africa simply cannot be ignored or erased. They can even be traced with etymology in the names and origins of indigenous people. The most obvious evidence are the mysterious origins of the word “Abantu”, the name commonly used to describe black South Africans. According to Credo Mutwa, the name is derived from the Sumerian goddess Antu. “Abantu” simply means the children or people of Antu.

Energy Generation – Ancient knowledge

Extensive electronic measurements in 2011 have shown that the circular stone ruins are in fact energy generating devices, using the natural sound that emanates from the surface of the Earth, creating electromagnetic fields as a result of the sound amplification. The shape of the circular ruins are all very specific and unique because each circle represents the cymatic pattern of the sound energy as it appears on the surface of the earth at that point. This energy was amplified by a simple understanding of harmonics and utilised in the same way that we generate LASER and SASER beam technology today. Giant magnetron-shaped structures suggest that this was well understood by the ancients. I have measured these spectacular energies and electromagnetic waves and therefore do not hesitate to make these claims. Some of the sound frequencies go into the extremely high Giga hertz levels (over 380 Giga hertz) which are unheard of on Earth today in any normal application.

The fact that these circles are all connected by the stone channels makes it very clear to any scientist who works with electricity or energy that the stone circle complex is a giant energy generating grid that was most likely used in the mining and processing of gold on a scale unimaginable to us today.

Dating of The Ruins And Artefacts

This is a critical aspect of my research and there are several methods that I have had to resort to because we cannot use carbon dating to establish the age of stone. Neither can we assume that pottery or other artefacts found in the ruins were left behind by the architects. The many tools and artefacts that I have collected for my small museum in Waterval Boven are very unique and very mysterious – all made out of stone. They all seem to display strong acoustic properties and I call them “stones that ring like bells”. This was the realisation that led me to discover that sound played a critical role in the building of the ruins and the use of the energies that they create. One of the most obvious techniques I use in determining the possible age of the tools, is the patina growth that forms on the rock. The kind of patina or skin that grows on these artefacts, grows at a very slow rate that is estimated to be about one thousand years per microscopic layer. In other words, by the time that the patina is visible to the naked eye, it is already a few thousand years old. Most of the artefacts in my collection are completely covered in patina several millimetres thick, suggesting that these ancient tools must be well over 100,000 years old or even substantially older.

In conclusion, we are standing at the threshold of a brand new discovery that will expose great surprises and unveil a great hidden part of human history. My new book UBUNTU Contributionism – A Blueprint For Human Prosperity should be released by the end of September 2013 and I am completing the follow up to African Temples of The Anunnaki that will contain all the latest discoveries and conclusions I have reached regarding the vanished civilisations of southern Africa to date.
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An example of what you will see on google-earth.This is what you will see on google-earth at 25 37’40.90″S / 30 17’57.41E [A]. We are viewing the scene from an altitude of 357 meters.This is not a “special” location — just one we picked at random, within the previously described area. It shows artifacts that are everywhere and we encourage you to search the area with this great internet technology.The circular stone structures are obvious from this view, even though they may not be visible from ground level. Notice that there are many very long roads [B] that connect groups of the circular structures. If you zoom out and follow these “roads” they travel for many miles.The fact that we can see these structures is mainly because natural erosion has blown away the dirt and debris that has covered them for thousands of years. Once exposed to the wind, the rocks are scoured clean and may appear deceptively new.If you look closely at what first appears to be empty land [C], you will notice many faint circles, indicating that even more dwellings lurk below the surface. In reality, the entire area is packed full of these structures and connecting roads.Why has no one notices these before?How the Site was dated

Once the ruins were examined, the researchers were anxious to place the lost civilization in a historical perspective. The rocks were covered with a patina that looked very old but there were no items sufficient for carbon-14 dating. It was then that a chance discovery revealed the age of the site, and sent a chill down the spine of archaeologists and historians!
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Dating the site:
Finding the remains of a large community, with as many as 200,000 people living and working together, was a major discovery in itself. But dating the site was a problem. The heavy patina on the rock walls suggested the structures were extremely old, but the science of dating patina is just being developed and is still controversial. Carbon-14 dating of such things as burnt wood introduces the possibility that the specimens could be from recent grass fires which are common in the area.The breakthrough came quite unexpectedly. As Tellinger describes it:
"“Johan Heine discovered Adam’s Calendar in 2003, quite by accident. He was on route to find one of his pilots who crashed his plane on the edge of the cliff. Next to the crash site Johan noticed a very strange arrangement of large stones sticking out of the ground. While rescuing the injured pilot from about 20 metres down the side of the cliff, Johan walked over to the monoliths and immediately realised that they were aligned to the cardinal points of Earth — north, south, east and west. There were at least 3 monoliths aligned towards the sunrise, but on the west side of the aligned monoliths there was a mysterious hole in the ground — something was missing.After weeks and months of measuring and observations, Johan concluded that it was perfectly aligned with the rise and fall of the Sun. He determined the solstices and the equinoxes. But the mysterious hole in the ground remained a big puzzle. One day, while contemplating the reason for the hole, the local horse trail expert, Christo, came riding by. He quickly explained to Johan that there was a strange shaped stone which had been removed from the spot some time ago. Apparently it stood somewhere near the entrance to the nature reserve.

After an extensive search, Johan found the anthropomorphic (humanoid shape) stone. It was intact and proudly placed with a plaque stuck to it. It had been used by the Blue Swallow foundation to commemorate the opening of the Blue Swallow reserve in 1994. The irony is that it was removed from the most important ancient site found to date and mysteriously returned to the reserve — for slightly different reasons."
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The exact location of the calendar is listed on www.makomati.com. The first calculations of the age of the calendar were made based on the rise of Orion, a constellation known for its three bright stars forming the “belt” of the mythical hunter.The Earth wobbles on its axis and so the stars and constellations change their angle of presentation in the night sky on a cyclical basis. This rotation, called the precession completes a cycle about every 26,000 years. By determining when the three stars of Orion’s belt were positioned flat (horizontal) against the horizon, we can estimate the time when the three stones in the calendar were in alignment with these conspicuous stars.
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The first rough calculation was at least 25,000 years ago. But new and more precise measurements kept increasing the age. The next calculation was presented by a master archaeoastronomer who wishes to remain anonymous for fear of ridicule by the academic fraternity. His calculation was also based on the rise of Orion and suggested an age of at least 75,000 years. The most recent and most acurate calculation, done in June 2009, suggests an age of at least 160,000 years, based on the rise of Orion — flat on the horizon — but also on the erosion of dolerite stones found at the site.

Some pieces of the marker stones had been broken off and sat on the ground, exposed to natural erosion. When the pieces were put back together about 3 cm of stone had already been worn away. These calculation helped assess the age of the site by calculating the erosion rate of the dolerite.
Who made the metropolis? Why?
It would seem that humans have always valued gold. It is even mentioned in the Bible, describing the Garden of Eden’s rivers:Genesis 2:11 — The name of the first [river] is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. South Africa is known as the largest gold producing country of the world. The largest gold producing area of the world is Witwatersrand, the same region where the ancient metropolis is found. In fact nearby Johannesburg, one of the best known cities of South Africa, is also named “Egoli” which means the city of gold.

GOLD MINING — HOW LONG AGO? Is there evidence that mining took place, in southern Africa, during the Old Stone Age? Archaeological studies indicate that it indeed was so.Realizing that sites of abandoned ancient mines may indicate where gold could be found, South Africa’s leading mining corporation, the Anglo-American Corporation, in the 1970s engaged archaeologists to look for such ancient mines. Published reports (Optima) detail the discovery in Swaziland and other sites in South Africa of extensive mining areas with shafts to depths of fifty feet. Stone objects and charcoal remains established dates of 35,000, 46,000, and 60,000 B.C. for these sites. The archaeologists and anthropologists who joined in dating the finds believed that mining technology was used in south- ern Africa “during much of the period subsequent to 100,000 B.C.”In September 1988, a team of international physicists came to South Africa to verify the age of human habitats in Swaziland and Zululand. The most modern techniques indicated an age of 80,000 to 115,000 years.Regarding the most ancient gold mines of Monotapa in southern Zimbabwe, Zulu legends hold that they were worked by “artificially produced flesh and blood slaves created by the First People.” These slaves, the Zulu legends recount, “went into battle with the Ape-Man” when “the great war star appeared in the sky” (see Indaba My Children, by the Zulu medicine man Credo Vusamazulu Mutwa). [Genesis Revisited]
It seems highly probable that the ancient metropolis was established because of its proximity to the largest supply of gold on the planet. But why would ancient people work so hard to mine gold? You can’t eat it. It’s too soft to use for tool making. It isn’t really useful for anything except ornaments and its physical beauty is on a par with other metals like copper or silver. Exactly why was gold so important to early homo sapiens?

To explore the answer we need to look at the period of history in question — 160,000 to 200,000 years BCE — and learn what was happening on planet Earth.

What were humans like 160,000 years ago? Modern humans, homo sapiens, can trace our ancestry back through time to a point where our species evolved from other, more primitive, hominids. Scientists do not understand why this new type of human suddenly appeared, or how the change happened, but we can trace our genes back to a single female that is known as “Mitochondrial Eve”.Mitochondrial Eve (mt-mrca) [Right: An artist’s rendition] is the name given by researchers to the woman who is defined as the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) for all currently living humans. Passed down from mother to offspring, all mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) in every living person is derived from this one female individual. Mitochondrial Eve is the female counterpart of Y-chromosomal Adam, the patrilineal most recent common ancestor, although they lived at different times.Mitochondrial Eve is believed to have lived between 150,000 to 250,000 years BP, probably in East Africa, in the region of Tanzania and areas to the immediate south and west. Scientists speculate that she lived in a population of between perhaps 4000 to 5000 females capable of producing offspring at any given time. If other females had offspring with the evolutionary changes to their DNA we have no record of their survival. It appears that we are all descendants of this one human female.Mitochondrial Eve would have been roughly contemporary with humans whose fossils have been found in Ethiopia near the Omo River and at Hertho. Mitochondrial Eve lived significantly earlier than the out of Africa migration which might have occurred some 60,000 to 95,000 years ago.[right] The region in Africa where one can find the greatest level of mitochondrial diversity (green) and the region anthropologists postulated the most ancient division in the human population began to occur (light brown). The ancient metropolis in located in this latter (brown) region which also corresponds to the estimated age when the genetic changes suddenly happened.Could this be a coincidence?
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Ancient Sumerian history describes the ancient metropolis and its inhabitants! I’ll be honest with you. This next part of the story is difficult to write. It’s so shocking that the average person will not want to believe it. If you are like me, you’ll want to do the research yourself, then allow some time for the facts to settle in your mind.We are often made to believe that the Egyptians — the Pharoahs and pyramids — are where our known history begins. The oldest dynasties go back some 3200 years BP. That’s a long time ago. But the Sumerian civilization, in what is now Iraq, is much older. What’s more, we have translated many of their history tablets, written in cuneiform and earlier scripts so we know a lot about their history and legends.
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he seal image [above] depicts the legend of the “Great Flood” which consumed mankind. Many Sumerian legends are strikingly similar to Genesis. Like Genesis, the Sumerian legend,Atrahasis, tells the story of the creation of modern humans — not by a loving God — but by beings from another planet who needed “slave workers” to help them mine gold on their extra-planetary expedition!

I warned that this is difficult to believe, but please keep reading.Who made the metropolis? Why?
This story, the Atrahasis, comes from an early Babylonian version of about 1 BC, but it certainly dates back to Sumerian times. It combines familiar Sumerian motifs of the creation of mankind and the subsequent flood — just like Genesis.The story starts out with the “gods” — beings from a planet called Nibiru — digging ditches and mining for gold as part of an expeditionary team. Modern humans (homo sapiens) did not exist yet; only primitive hominids lived on Earth. There were two groups of “gods”, the worker class and the ruling class (i.e. officers). The worker gods had built the infrastructure as well as toiled in the gold mines and, after thousands of years, the work was apparently too much for them. The gods had to dig out the canals
Had to clear channels,
the lifelines of the land,
The gods dug out the Tigris river bed
And then they dug out the Euphrates. –(Dalley 9, Atrahasis) After 3,600 years of this work, the gods finally begin to complain. They decide to go on strike, burning their tools and surrounding the chief god Enlil’s “dwelling” (his temple). Enlil’s vizier, Nusku, gets Enlil out of bed and alerts him to the angry mob outside. Enlil is scared. (His face is described as being “sallow as a tamarisk.”) The vizier Nusku advises Enlil to summon the other great gods, especially Anu (sky-god) and Enki (the clever god of the fresh waters). Anu advises Enlil to ascertain who is the ringleader of the rebellion. They send Nusku out to ask the mob of gods who is their leader. The mob answers, “Every single one of us gods has declared war!” (Dalley 12, Atrahasis).Since the upper-class gods now see that the work of the lower-class gods “was too hard,” they decide to sacrifice one of the rebels for the good of all. They will take one god, kill him, and make mankind by mixing the god’s flesh and blood with clay:
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Belit-ili the womb-goddess is present,
Let the womb-goddess create offspring,
And let man bear the load of the gods! (Dalley 14-15, Atrahasis)

After Enki instructs them on purification rituals for the first, seventh and fifteenth of every month, the gods slaughter Geshtu-e, “a god who had intelligence” (his name means “ear” or “wisdom”) and form mankind from his blood and some clay. After the birth goddess mixes the clay, all the gods troop by and spit on it. Then Enki and the womb-goddess take the clay into “the room of fate,” where the womb-goddesses were assembled.

He [Enki] trod the clay in her presence;
She kept reciting an incantation,
For Enki, staying in her presence, made her recite it.
When she had finished her incantation,
She pinched off fourteen pieces of clay,
And set seven pieces on the right,
Seven on the left.
Between them she put down a mud brick. (Dalley 16, Atrahasis)

The creation of man seems to be described as a type of cloning and what we would today consider in vitro fertilization.The result was a hybrid or “evolved human” with enhanced intellect who could perform the physical duties of the worker gods and also take care of the needs of all the gods.

We are told, in other texts, that the expedition came for gold and that great quantities were mined and shipped off the planet. The community in South Africa was called “Abzu” and was the prime location of the mining operation.

Since these events appear to coincide with the dates of “Mitochondrial Eve” (i.e. 150,000 to 250,000 BP) and appear to be located in the richest gold mining region on the planet (Abzu), some researchers are thinking that the Sumerian legends may, in fact, be based on historical events.

According to the same texts, once the mining expedition ended it was decided that the human population should be allowed to perish in a flood which was predicted by the atronomer of the “gods.” Apparently, the cyclical passage of the home planet of the gods, Nibiru, was going to bring it close enough to the orbit of Earth that its gravity would cause the oceans to rise and flood the land, putting an end to the hybrid species — homo sapiens.

According to the story, one of the “gods” had sympathy for a particular human, Zuisudra, and warned him to construct a boat to ride out the flood. This eventually became the basis for the story of Noah in the book of Genesis.

Did this really happen? The only other explanation is to imagine that the Sumerian legends, acknowledging life on other planets and human cloning, were extraordinary science-fiction. This in itself would be amazing. But we now have evidence that the mining city, Abzu, is real and that it existed in the same era as the sudden evolution of hominids to homo sapiens.


His work is highly visible and available online at many different excellent websites. See:
https://internationalresearchsociety.wordpress.com/2012/10/06/michael-tellinger-and-the-ancient-stone-structures-of-africa/
http://www.viewzone.com/adamscalendar.html
https://www.ancientaliensmap.com/locations/ancient-african-gold-mines

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In Regard to Michael Tellinger...


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Michael Tellinger and the Counterfactual
Romance of Ancient Astronauts (http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/michael-tellinger-and-the-counterfactual-romance-of-ancient-astronauts)

5/26/2013

Yesterday I mentioned how former Blondie bassist Gary Lachman is on a quest to rehabilitate the occult as a viable alternative to “materialism.” In reading this month’s Fortean Times, I discovered that he is not the only musician questing after an alternative to science. An advertisement informs me that South African musician and actor Michael Tellinger has adopted Zecharia Sitchin’s ideas as truth and has a new book called African Temples of the Anunnaki, a follow-up to 2005’s Slave Species of God, which he advertised as the culmination of twenty-five years of study of… wait for it… Zecharia Sitchin.

Tellinger’s ideas are unsupportable even by the loose standards of ancient astronaut idiocy. On the home page (http://www.slavespecies.com/) for Slave Species, Tellinger asks “Why do all mythologies have the same group of GODS?” I imagine this will come as a bit of shock to the Aztec that their gods are identical to those of China and Greece. Even within the Indo-European family of religions, we are hard pressed to find identical gods; Odin, Frigg, Freya, and Thor do not precisely match the Greek gods; Freya, for example, has aspects the Greeks divided among Aphrodite, Athena, and Persephone. Even two myth systems we today think of as virtually identical—Greece and Rome—have challenging difficulties, not least the startling difference between the bloodthirsty berserker Ares and the beneficent farming warrior Mars.

Again, Tellinger asks: “Why is the FLYING SERPENT the creator god in all mythologies?” Do I even need to say that it is not? Without getting into the question of whether Tellinger means the creator of the universe or just of humanity, it should be easy to think of instances where this is not true: the three Abrahamic monotheistic faiths (God as creator); Babylonian religion (chaos to Tiamat to Marduk); Greek mythology (chaos, with Prometheus making humans); etc. etc. Even among the Aztec, the feathered serpent was not the creator god; that honor went to Ometecuhtli/Omecihuatl, the self-created dual god, progenitor of Quetzalcoatl.

Ungrammatically, he asks “Why has humankind been so obsessed with GOLD since the earliest of time? Why has GOD been so obsessed with GOLD since Genesis?” Tellinger believes that the aliens created humans to mine gold around 250,000 BCE, so I imagine this must be the “earliest of time.” However, archaeology has uncovered no evidence of the use of gold before roughly the third millennium BCE. (You’ll often read on gold buying websites that in 3100 BCE the Egyptian pharaoh Menes recorded the value of gold, the oldest ever effort to quantify its value, but this dubious fact is derived from much later Greek accounts; no 3100 BCE artifact exists making this claim.) Further, many cultures historically had no interest in gold, including most of prehistoric North America and Australia. Nor is there much evidence for God being obsessed with gold “since Genesis.” In Genesis, the first mention of gold comes at Gen. 2:11-12, where it is listed as one of the fine products of the land around the river Pison, sometimes identified with the Phasis, the river that ran through the land of the Golden Fleece in Greek myth. Otherwise, there is very little about gold in Genesis except for standard listings alongside other forms of wealth like sheep, and nothing about it from God himself.

His new book claims that rough stone circles in South Africa were built to house “Tesla-like technology” designed to carve tunnels to the gold deposits at deep in the earth’s core. (Earth’s natural gold deposits are near the core due to the density of gold; the gold we mine near the surface traveled here by meteor.)

But The Fortean Times also had an honest-to-goodness gem of a thought from Steve Moore in his article “The Real Arthur?” He was speaking of books that attempt to historicize the mythic British king, but in so doing he makes a much broader point that comes very close to my own work establishing how closely “alternative” history is to speculative fiction:
I’d suggest that, rather than writing these books off as nonsense, it might be more useful to regard them as ‘modern romances’. [U]They purport to be factual while having virtually no factual basis; but once again, it’s the narrative that is important, providing as it does a key to ancient mysteries and a discovery of something wonderful. I’d go further and suggest the modern romance label could be applicable across a broad range of fortean topics, from the ‘Holy Blood’ literature to ancient astronauts, crashed saucer retrievals, alien abductions… and so on, once more, ad infinitum. Perhaps it’s not really important whether these notions are ‘true’ or not. Instead, these are narratives that we want to be true, and so they tell us something about ourselves, our desire to escape from mundane reality, and our wish for the wondrous. They are, quite simply, romantic … and that, no doubt, is the greatest part of their appeal.

That is as good a reason as any why Giorgio Tsoukalos, David Hatcher Childress, Scott Wolter, and others describe themselves as the “Real Life Indiana Jones” and continue to embrace ideas long after every objective measure has demonstrated their untruth.

Jason Colavito (http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/michael-tellinger-and-the-counterfactual-romance-of-ancient-astronauts)


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Anunnaki, Ancient Aliens Debunked - Michael Heiser
(Published on Feb 1, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fumLgwlHME4?list=PLoWycYex5yfz4YNEMoeVjZ--YMVfxwIMj

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, turiya, for introducing me to Michael S. Heiser....had never heard of him! :highfive:

[onawah]

Colavito is basically a professional skeptic. That doesn't really recommend him to me at all.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jason_Colavito
Jason Colavito is a freelance writer who enjoys writing (about) horror fiction as much as dissecting the claims of various ancient astronauts proponents. If you've watched the original 2009 Ancient Aliens on the History Channel, you may have caught a glimpse of his article Charioteer of the Gods around the 8:40 mark, which was presented as an example of the reactions to von Däniken and his buddies. (The article itself traces the origin of the "ancient contact with aliens" idea back to H.P. Lovecraft. It was published in the Skeptic magazine in 2004 (volume 10, number 4) and its full text is available online at Skeptic.com and Jason Colavito.com)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Colavito

Colavito attended Auburn High School, in Auburn, New York and graduated summa cum laude from Ithaca College in Ithaca, New York where he received a bachelor of arts degree in anthropology and journalism in 2003.[2][6] In the spring of 2002, Colavito and two of his classmates from a television journalism class at Ithaca College interviewed ancient astronaut theorist Giorgio A. Tsoukalos in the living room of Tsoukalos's Ithaca home.[7]

Colavito's work has largely focused on debunking "alternative archaeology"[1] through his website Lost Civilizations Uncovered, his newsletter The Skeptical Xenoarchaeologist, books and the media. His work has been cited in The Huffington Post[8][9] and on the History Channel.[2][10]

In 2005, Colavito authored The Cult of Alien Gods: H. P. Lovecraft and Extraterrestrial Pop Culture, published by Prometheus Books. In the book, Colavito explores the influences of H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos on the popular works of Erich von Däniken (Chariots of the Gods?) and Graham Hancock, as well as its overall influence on "extraterrestrial pop culture".[11] Through his website, Colavito also offers out-of-print works about alternative history, the occult, and speculative fiction.[12]

[turiya]

Colavito is basically a professional skeptic.

If he's a professional skeptic, then that means he makes a business - makes an income - out of it. If he is making a living out of being a skeptic, then he is obviously good at it. Nothing wrong in it.... Got to be good at something...

:)


Thanks, turiya, for introducing me to Michael S. Heiser....had never heard of him! :highfive:

Here's another one, Foxie Loxie... Chris White - gets into Sitchin @29:40...


Debunking Ancient Aliens with Chris White
(Published on Oct 16, 2012)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnXouN9ZKEw

[onawah]

People make a living from all kinds of activities including crime.
Being good at something doesn't necessarily mean that what is being done is good.

[SunSea]

Very interesting and informative conversation going on here. I'd like to make a comment on the Sumarian picture depicting the flood. They are wearing pointed Hats! I was reading an article recently about head binding being a world wide practice more common in past times. This, of course, was done to infants to elongate the skull and was a sign of high stature common to the ruling class. Its theorized that this was to copy advanced beings that ruled over the people that naturally had this shape of skull, you know the story. From this custom and reverence for the pointed head, people began wearing pointed hats to show their high status. Don't know where the dunce hat comes in with that. The pointed hat worn by a person celebrating their birthday was given as one example. Maybe another hint for those alien rulers given by the Sumarians.

[turiya]

People make a living from all kinds of activities including crime.
Being good at something doesn't necessarily mean that what is being done is good.

It appears you want to make a good skeptic into being a criminal.

The best criminals, you will never know about. Because really good criminals don't get caught. And no one knows whether they are a criminal.

If I had a child that wanted to be a criminal, I would tell him that if that is what he wanted to do, then do it the best you can, which means - don't get caught! Then, I would never hear about him doing any crime. He would then understand, that he would not get any help from me, if he did get caught.

Be the best you can be. We live in a dichotomy.
Everyone should be good at something.
If you are a beggar, then be the best beggar that you can be.

[onawah]

The best thing that can happen to a criminal might be to get caught.
He would no longer be able to do as much harm to others, thus reducing his own load of negative karma, and might begin to reform by recognizing there could be a better way.
He might also be exposed to some wiser and more positive mentoring...

[Bob]

Kinda why I like getting to areas and doing objective surveys for myself, seeing for myself and using equipment which doesn't have human bias, or opinion to color data. I have no clue how to determine for instance if Sitchen's ancient tablets are from some ancient race associated with ET's. I could be very eager to survey the areas around where such were found, and see what has been missed by surface exploration. I don't think it does any good going back and forth poking fingers in each other's eyes, eh?

[Rawhide68]

If we are talking about Mantids here, I have never come across an abductee with a bad encounter with one of these, which is a bit strange.
Please send me any find´s of mantid beeings scaring an abductee ?

The small gray´s are scary, probably just biorobots. with no soul/feeling and they can scare **** out of people.
If? the mantids use the little gray´s as santa´s little helper´s for their own purposes , they are to blame as well.

Both Jacob´s (they are all bad) and Greer (they are all good) are wrong in my opinion in the aspect of juding they do.
It´s just plain silly to reason like that. (Everything is BLACK or WHITE)

There is a mixed bag of ET´s out there visiting us for different reasons.

What reasons?
I´ll just throw out some examples here for fun:

1. help us evolve spiritually
2. prevent us from evolve spiritually
3. use our resources like DNA or other sources from this planet.
5. eat us, because we taste so good.
6. watch over their/our antfarm experiment.
7.suck out our life force to reload their own batterys.
8.fuel our life force to boost our own energy.
9.Maybe they see us as part of them and want us to prosper, in order for them to prosper.

10.Or hey, maybe they watch us because we are funny to them. Late Dolores Cannon once said, the funniest things ET´s find about us humans is "eating" "having sex" and "dying". (Obvioulsy thoose things don´t exist for "them) :)

[Foxie Loxie]

Trying to put together all the pieces I have gathered here on Avalon about Z. Sitchen! :facepalm: I remember watching a video of a woman who used to help in the blood rituals with the royal family in Eng. She mentioned she had seen ZS present, kind of in the background. At the time that surprised me & I wondered why he would be there. :confused:

Just listening to the explanation of the Sumerian tablet & the center orb being Saturn & NOT our sun, begins to make a little sense because of another video, David Talbot(?) who explained that the planets of our solar system all used to be in a line & Saturn, at that time, was actually our sun. Huh?! This has been most interesting! Neat to see Adam's Calendar as it was supposed to have been 160,000 years ago! Apparently, our "controllers" really do want to keep our true history from us! :idea:

[Rawhide68]

Thanks "Foxie":thumbsup: for spelling he´s name almost correct "sitchin", last 10 radioshow´s every one says "sTichin".
Funny how silly details like that can make their credibility sink like stones.

I have read the book "the 12th planet" ages ago, so I can not comment, due to lack of memmory in this matter.

(I spell as good as I can with having english not as my native language.)

The name is spelled "Zecharia Sitchin"
Z Sitchin

And please comment to my updated post above this one :)

[turiya]

Kinda why I like getting to areas and doing objective surveys for myself, seeing for myself and using equipment which doesn't have human bias, or opinion to color data. I have no clue how to determine for instance if Sitchen's ancient tablets are from some ancient race associated with ET's. I could be very eager to survey the areas around where such were found, and see what has been missed by surface exploration. I don't think it does any good going back and forth poking fingers in each other's eyes, eh?


Well Bob, please don't take this as an eye poke.... but you may not need to travel all that way to old Sumer.

Because, according to a close friend of Sitchin's, he didn't exactly 'translate' the Sumerian tablets. He actually was channeled the information that is found in his books, supposedly, from an Annunaki entity. So, you see Michael Heiser is corect, more or less, about Sitchin's qualifications regarding his ability to correctly translate the Cuneiform Tablets.

Yes, you've read that correctly... "channeled" material through the method of automatic writing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_writing).

Bill Ryan had dropped this onto Post #3 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55543-The-Anunnaki-their-history-on-earth-where-are-they-today&p=632871&viewfull=1#post632871)back in 09-February, 2013. As posted below... (note the quotes that he placed around the term 'translated'... On top of that, it was told that Zecharia actually was being paid a retainer by the NSA at the time. (Note: the highlighted text is my emphasis)


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See this thread:

The Anunnaki (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20331-The-Anunnaki)






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Dear All,

I recently wrote up some notes about the Anunnaki for someone who knew little about them. The concise report I created seemed to have some value (you will not find this information all in one place anywhere else) - and so here it is: :)

Anunnaki is Sumerian for "those who came from Heaven to Earth". They were regarded by the Sumerians as "gods", but were actually ETs.

They are 8-9 feet tall [2.4 - 2.7m], and like dressing up in ceremonial costumes (including headdresses), which are colorful, flamboyant, ornate, and ceremonial. Their culture goes back to 100,000 years or more, and they attach a great importance to tradition, ritual, ceremony and symbols.

They have large heads with a pronounced jaw and are physically very strong. They also have enhanced mental abilities and can certainly operate effectively in the astral realms. But their technology (spacecraft, and ability to manipulate space and time) is also very advanced.

They certainly do not ride around on an icy, rocky planetoid ("Nibiru") waiting patiently for it to return near Earth every 3,600 years. They have their own spacecraft. Henry Deacon said they looked a little like this (the 'wings' retract and are ornamental):

http://projectavalon.net/Winged_craft_similar_to_Anunnaki.jpg

They were here in Sumerian times, about 6,000 years ago, when they arrived on Earth to 'jump-start' the Sumerian civilization which had always puzzled archeologists inasmuch as it seemed to arise out of a much more primitive culture, almost literally overnight.

Suddenly, the Sumerians had law, government, education, finance, literature, music, and everything that we would assume as a necessary part of a healthy civilized society.

The Anunnaki attach a great deal of importance to administration, laws, finance, agreements, and very complex administrative structures. Much of what has become imported into human societies as royal ceremony, pyramidal hierarchies, levels of initiation within secret societies, and all the attached complex symbolism, much of which has high traditional significance but which can also be deliberately obscure to the casual observer, can all be traced back to Anunnaki influence.

In present time, they are active on Mars, and this has been reported by Project Camelot whistleblower Henry Deacon (http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_3.html#Mars) (pseudonym), who saw them at first hand. Henry said that since Sumerian times, the Anunnaki race has split into two factions - one friendly to humans and the other less so.

He hinted strongly that the less friendly race has acquired a taste for human flesh. He described how when he was working for black projects as an electronics engineer, he was invited to a briefing in which this topic was presented. He walked out in disgust, and was amazed that (a) no-one stopped him from leaving, and (b) he was the only person who walked out.

According to Zecharia Sitchin (recently passed) - who 'translated' many ancient Sumerian texts - and whose work has been dismissed by conventional archeologists but widely accepted among the alternative community - one reason the Anunnaki came to Planet Earth was to mine gold, which they had a strong desire for and attributed a great deal of value and importance to. It's possible that our own love and value and fascination for gold in the present day is a throwback to the attitude introduced by the Anunnaki.

One veteran researcher, who Kerry Cassidy and I also know personally, knew Zecharia Sitchin very well. This person told us that Zecharia had told him that his books were NOT translated from the Sumerian - but were actually channeled products of automatic writing.

We were also told that Zecharia Sitchin was paid on a retainer basis by the NSA, who always wanted to be kept up to date by Sitchin about what the Anunnaki were up to - because it seemed that Sitchin had a direct telepathic line to the Anunnaki in real time. (Note: there is quite a lot in Sitchin's books that is certainly disinformation - possibly deliberately inserted by the Anunnaki themselves). But quite a lot of the basic story is probably quite true.



Bill Ryan
Project Avalon
April 2011

[Rawhide68]

Did Henry Deacon (Neuman true name) "Jumpdrive" to mars together with Andrew Basagio?
Was "Henry Decon" experiment a CIA test how people wold react to cruel reallity?

Beep beep Turiya?

why is your quote pasting is from 2011?

[onawah]

Sitchin apparently was walking on both the light and dark sides, but he was also a scholar and a recognized linguist.
It's very doubtful that his work would have passed muster as much as it has among other scholars and linguistic experts as it did if he was simply making it all up or channeling it all from another source.
If you read his books, there are plenty of references to other works, and proof that he understood the subject matter.
He may have been channeling some of it, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was all false info.
As Bill Ryan stated:
But quite a lot of the basic story is probably quite true.

[Bob]

hmm.. my quote..

Kinda why I like getting to areas and doing objective surveys for myself, seeing for myself and using equipment which doesn't have human bias, or opinion to color data.
Been to most every place the greys and or abduction phenomena are purported to be in the US Mainland and Hawaii (assorted mysterious goings on with roads and places) and Canada.. Been to assorted places in Egypt, UK, Germany, Africa, (and to the Bermuda triangle area off Bimini), interesting spots in the Mideast (except for Israel); so where again are the legit places to investigate first hand where there is no hearsay ? Who again is doing the "coloring" ?

[Rawhide68]

I still wait for an answer turiya?
Choosing to post and never reply, wow there are all kind of ppl in this forum.
Facisnating.

Bob you know as well as I, that the best place to dig for the truth is withinyourself.

[turiya]

Beep beep Turiya?
why is your quote pasting is from 2011?


I still wait for an answer turiya?
Choosing to post and never reply, wow there are all kind of ppl in this forum.
Facisnating.

Bob you know as well as I, that the best place to dig for the truth is withinyourself.

Thank you, Rawhide68, but clicking on links is not such a difficult thing to do... But still, I thank you for your persistence. In a way, it provokes me to add a bit more that needs to come out about this...



The 2011 date was the 1st time Bill Ryan had first dropped this bombshell on the PA forum. And then, when you look at the numerous inteviews that were done by Project Camelot prior to this date, one can find that the individual that was a close friend of Sitichin was none other than Jordan Maxwell. Project Camelot did their interview with Jordan Maxwell in September of 2008.




Jordan Maxwell: The Takeover of Planet Earth
Los Angeles, California, September 2008 (http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/jordan_maxwell_interview_en.html)

Putting the puzzle pieces together... And, one will then understand how the following Chris White video fits into place.... as Jordan has links to the occult of Freemasonry which came out of Helena Blavatsky & Alice Baily's Theosophy teachings...


Jordan Maxwell Debunked by Chris White
(Published on Apr 21, 2011)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRQgV-N2DSE

With that said, one can then see that Chris Thomas, who I view as having an excellent capability to Remote View (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing)... And through his research, has provided us with the information that the Annunaki were also channeling information to Madame Blavatsky (and later to Alice Baily), through the enitity that Blavatsky & Baily referred to as Djwhal Khul (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djwal_Khul)...


Illuminati Controlled by the Anunnaki
/ Velon & Influence of New Age
(Published on Jan 9, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdNVGqhvMJQ

I know there will be those that will be quite upset with this kind of information... I have no intention of doing so...

But it is time for this type of information to be brought out of the woodwork & up to the surface. We have to come out of the misinformation & disinformation that has deluded many of us for quite some time...

Best regards...

[SunSea]

Being that there is an infinite amount of all kinds of beings, I agree there may be benevolent and hostile mantis. It's also possible these beings could be pretending to be benevolent when they're not. We humans are so dang easy to fool. In fact, I think this is the favored mo of the negatives. For me, it's best not to be involved with any of them for safety sake cause we just don't know. Why take the chance?

Sitchen is likely a mixture of both true and false information. The fact he was a high ranking Mason is a big red flag for me. I assume most here know of the planning that went into the New Age movement behind the scenes and these days the Sitchen material is touted as gospel by disinformation agents (knowingly or not).

Also, the idea some of his material may have been channeled is no big surprise. He hung out with the elites and was part of the club. They started using mediums as early as the turn of the century (I beleive) and this appears to be a major source of information for them. Who or what do you suppose they're getting info from? The most well known group being channeled was called The Nine and it's interesting to look into. So, maybe Sitchen had contact with this group and I wouldn't be surprized at all. It's possible this is where the channeled information came from. Of course, he wouldn't have said so.

Edit to add speculation. I wonder if The Nine laid the groundwork for the major storylines being popularized with aliens and such. This could have been used as a script for the tech control, using the telepathic communication and the voice of God stuff.

[Foxie Loxie]

Rawhide68....I think in your post above you, like I, have been trying to figure out the purpose of the ET's that seem to be visiting this planet. The reasons you give could be correct, as it would seem there are "good" & "bad" ET's, just like there are "good" & "bad" human beings. For many, their journey seems to have been guided without their knowledge of such guidance; it all just kind of "happened"! I only began to question things a few years ago, so you may be farther along in your research than I! :idea: I'm still trying to figure things out & know I was "led" to Avalon through a series of events. There is so much information available here & some more mature members helped me along as I began my own search at this late point in my life!! What you posted above....ARE those your conclusions, or have you come to any yet? :confused:

[onawah]

We have to use discernment when examining all whistleblower information, and that goes for debunkers as well.
We all have our blind spots, filters and personal agendas.
The challenge is learning how to sort through all that and still come out with a reasonable idea of what is real.

Compassion must extend to the perpetrators as well as the victims, or it wouldn't be compassion.
Putting such limits on healing only results in more wounding.
Humility is required to own that
We are all connected, and we have all been perpetrators as well as victims.
Separation only causes further fragmentation.
When we understand that, we will have inner peace.

[Bob]

[..] They started using mediums as early as the turn of the century (I beleive) and this appears to be a major source of information for them. Who or what do you suppose they're getting info from? The most well known group being channeled was called The Nine and it's interesting to look into. So, maybe Sitchen had contact with this group and I wouldn't be surprized at all. It's possible this is where the channeled information came from. Of course, he wouldn't have said so.

Edit to add speculation. I wonder if The Nine laid the groundwork for the major storylines being popularized with aliens and such. This could have been used as a script for the tech control, using the telepathic communication and the voice of God stuff.

Suggest all download : http://www.bahaistudies.net/asma/The_Council_of_Nine.pdf re, Council of Nine which gets into Gene Roddenberry being one of the chosen ones to create scenarios for the public to 'accept', data on Puharich, how 'channelings' were setting up the underlying rhetoric we hear today from the "personalities in alternative media".. the council of 9 were the proclaimers that they being individuals functioned as ONE, starting it seems the 'we are one' movement..

excerpt from the PDF follows


Never known for their modesty, The Nine proclaimed themselves to be God, stating "God is nobody else than we together, the Nine Principles of God."
(The "we" in this case is that they purport to be GOD..)

Below is an extract from later in the PDF - another interesting read, from behind the scenes...



Richard Hoagland spoke and has pumped that fact in his tapes incessantly since then), Dr. Puharich had warned
of “weather modification” weapons and other planetary influencers, which he had suggested were part of
collaborative efforts by powerful elites on our own “plane” and planet, but aided in no small part by insights and
technologies received from what he had suggested were “exceptional sources.” And Puharich was scared. Was
he simply paranoid? Who’ll say?

Another devotee of “The Council of Nine” was the self-styled “planetary enzyme” and change-agent, Ira
Einhorn, that Unicorn of recent news reports about his re-arresting and being freed in France. Einhorn was very
much in touch with Puharich and in no small way, The Nine, which maintains a working network of physicists and
psychics, intelligence operatives and powerful billionaires, who are less concerned about their “source” and its
weirdness than they are about having EVERY advantage and new data edge in what THEY believe is a battle for
Earth itself.

As Dave Hunt and others discuss, and as in “The Only Planet Of Choice” is well defined by The Nine themselves
through words of The Nine’s spokesman, a discarnate entity named “Tom” who in turn is communicating through
Phyllis Schlemmer, it may indeed have been the same “Nine” we are discussing here who also were elements of
an “interdimensional governance structure” of ancient Athens, in which a council of nine divinely inspired
“Archons” ruled. Each Athenian “Nine” supposedly had his own aetherial counterpart drawing from the “universal
knowledge.”

And in the popular science fiction television program, Babylon 5, the council on which DeLenn served (they are
Nine) operates precisely as “The Council of Nine” are described as operating, both in their own “writings” and in
what is written about them.

[Omni]

@Omnisence , as well as anyone that might not know.

Just because a someone is using a "reptilian" body (or what ever body) - does not mean evil , it's what matters on the inside, a someone could be negative with any body ("human","reptilian","mantis"/"mantid",etc).

Cannot say certain for all individuals of any looks, if so, then there is prejudice.

I didn't say all reptilians are evil. But there are completely evil reptilian races in my view.

[turiya]

Being that there is an infinite amount of all kinds of beings, I agree there may be benevolent and hostile mantis. It's also possible these beings could be pretending to be benevolent when they're not. We humans are so dang easy to fool. In fact, I think this is the favored mo of the negatives. For me, it's best not to be involved with any of them for safety sake cause we just don't know. Why take the chance?

Sitchen is likely a mixture of both true and false information. The fact he was a high ranking Mason is a big red flag for me. I assume most here know of the planning that went into the New Age movement behind the scenes and these days the Sitchen material is touted as gospel by disinformation agents (knowingly or not).

Also, the idea some of his material may have been channeled is no big surprise. He hung out with the elites and was part of the club. They started using mediums as early as the turn of the century (I beleive) and this appears to be a major source of information for them. Who or what do you suppose they're getting info from? The most well known group being channeled was called The Nine and it's interesting to look into. So, maybe Sitchen had contact with this group and I wouldn't be surprized at all. It's possible this is where the channeled information came from. Of course, he wouldn't have said so.

Edit to add speculation. I wonder if The Nine laid the groundwork for the major storylines being popularized with aliens and such. This could have been used as a script for the tech control, using the telepathic communication and the voice of God stuff.

Thank you SunSea for bringing this to the fore in what you have stated.

For the topic of "The Nine", I have done a bit of research on Puharich's work on another thread, starting with Post #551 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas&p=972773&viewfull=1#post972773).

From my short period of research, I found that channeling sessions put together by Andrija Puharich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrija_Puharich) closely resembled what Dolores Cannon (https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=Dolores+Cannon&oq=Dolores+Cannon&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i131k1j0l3.1411.1411.0.3135.2.1.0.0.0.0.108.108.0j1.1.0....0...1..64.psy-ab..1.1.107.0.gLwpWI8RcAQ) was doing with her clients. And, this was to put her clients in an hypnotic state in order to have the individual be a receiver / conduit for channeled information that would come from ET extraterrestrial entities in order so she could publish her next book. It had been noted that the same ET entity would come through a number of several different clients that would be located at distinct & distant locations.

One thing that I've realized, and this comes through a bit of rigorous study of the Chris Thomas material, is that this planet Earth, in a sense, has a defense mechanism that is at work. As, the planet Earth is not just a dead rock floating out in space, but to the contrary, is a living being in its / Her own right. In this regard, the consciousness of planet Earth was created to provide a physical environment for 'us' (as non-physical beings) to take on a physical body in order to experience a life on this physical plane of Existence. Earth provides us with the physical materials for a physical body to be created so it can act as a vehicle for a soul to occupy as it is maneuvered through this phsysical life.

In other words, all physical life here on the planet is created & supported by the living consciousness of Earth. And She has done a tremendous job in providing for such an abundance of Life. As, its quite obvious to see this. I mean, its quite incredible how much this planet is teaming with life is truly quite a miraculous event that is taking place here. And, we as souls looking to experience a physical life, are fully accepted by Earth who acts as a very gracious host for us to do this. In a sense, the term 'Mother Earth' is literally quite true. And Earth, acting as a protective mother over her children, will defend her children with a proper defense mechanism that She's put into place. In other words, uninvited guests, as in unwelcomed alien vistors, are prevented from coming here.

However, this Universe has a particular Universal Law that it is built on & operates under. And that Law is the 'Freedom of Choice', which basically is that 'one has the freedom of choice to live in a any way one chooses to live, as long as that choice does not interfere with anyone elses freedom to choose how they wish to live'. Mother Earth will abide by this Universal Law.

What I am getting at is this:
It appears that certain malevolent extraterrestrials who see what a jewel this planet is, with all of the teaming life that is found here. And, it is obvious that they have the notion of making this planet their very own. They have also understood how to skirt the Earth's defense mechanism. And in order to do this, to avoid being ejected as an univited guest, is to gain the trust of a certain percentage of the race of human beings that are living here. If human beings want these extraterrestrials to be here on this planet, then Mother Earth will have to abide with their collective freedom of choice to have these entities to be here. So, in knowing this, these malevolent extraterrestrials have made it a part of their agenda - to play both sides of the malevolent / benevolent spectrum. They are play both sides! They are of the same race! The good Dracos & the bad Dracos are working together!

Arthur Neumann told Bill Ryan that the Annunaki have split into two groups - the Good Annunaki & the Bad Annunaki... nothing could be further from the truth. They are ALL Annunaki working together to possess this planet for themselves. They have been behind much of the mischief that has plagued this planet for vast number of years. They are out to eliminate most of the human population on the planet. And whoever is left are to be their slaves. I mean, simply look around and one can see that they have been manipulating human beings through the banking system, the Deep-State black-ops, into killing each other through countless wars, poisoning each other w/ GMO foods, population reduction, Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, HAARP, chemtrails, transhumanism... and on & on.

Hence, they have humanity in the palm of their hands. The Good Reptilitans are at war with the Bad Reptilians - this the game that they are playing with us! They got the SSP military involved. They are only appearing to be at war with each other. The only war there is to decide who will be claiming this planet Earth for themselves, and who will be making what is left of humanity their slaves. Understand this!

The only way for these entities to be removed from this planet by the Earth & her guardians is only if humanity wakes up to this fact - that we are being 'played'! Humanity is being befooled. So, please see what is taking place, here.

So, in order to straighten out this planet, is to get rid of these manipulative extraterrestrials. They do not have our best interests in mind. It is really up to us to wake up to this fact. Understanding this, that it is up to us to figure this out, and we don't need these extraterrestrials to be hanging around that appear to be wanting to help us. Its a false notion... its like Fake News, its a fasle idea that's been planted.

So, it's really up to us.

[Bob]

Funny that it still appears as all "just channeling" and repeating stories, and hearsay with no objective evidencial data from "on-site" solid documentation being posted; just more twists on channeling, akashic records being "read out" laced with personal bias, and adequate drama to keep the reader's attention.. on and on.. I don't buy it.

When I met with Puharich PERSONALLY (no 3rd party hearsay here), we talked about documentation, objective monitorable phenomena. I demonstrated to him objective technology, and we had a great dialog about what needed to be monitored for "proof". None of the so called channeling was any more than interesting (at times) wastes of time.

NP eh?. That's fine for folks who want it all in their head at least that is how it seems to me.


https://i2.wp.com/themodernvedic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/patrick-star-meditation-gif-9299-9670-hd-wallpapers.gif?resize=500%2C333

I just don't buy the channeling, third party hearsay being repeated, nor the 'akashic' readout. To some that be "truth", to me it's a great fairy tale wanting proof.

No steps forward, just believe the hearsay and channeling.. hmmm.. No problem with opinions, tho, stating such as fact tho (or wrapping it up as "fact" with cutely designed misdirection...) without the qualifier.... "up to us"..?? Up to us to objectively document, else we are writing poetry IMHO.

[turiya]

Channeling takes many forms... Look at CNN that is repeating 24/7 channeling information to the public.

Some say that they are a propaganda arm for the Deep-State. Where can you find proof of this?

What's the "Official Story"?


"Bashar used chemicals on his own people!" Its true because MSM says so...
"A Lone Gunman Killed Kennedy." --Warren Commission



"Oh, you're just a Conspiracy Theorist."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g3yobPqpd0

And, that all it takes to put an end to it?

Yeah it does, if one enjoys their enslavement, I suppose.

[Bob]

Channeling, eyup.. more specifically tho..

http://www.curezone.org/upload/_C_Forums/Conspiracy/cartoon_train_wt1.jpg

Not where reality meets the road.. go fir it show us why we should just blindly believe.. :)


hmm.. my quote..
Kinda why I like getting to areas and doing objective surveys for myself, seeing for myself and using equipment which doesn't have human bias, or opinion to color data.

Been to most every place the greys and or abduction phenomena are purported to be in the US Mainland and Hawaii (assorted mysterious goings on with roads and places) and Canada.. Been to assorted places in Egypt, UK, Germany, Africa, (and to the Bermuda triangle area off Bimini), interesting spots in the Mideast (except for Israel); so where again are the legit places to investigate first hand where there is no hearsay ? Who again is doing the "coloring" ?

No CNN in my travels.. staying focused where are the mantids, the greys, the reptoids? in the head or real physical somewhere? Showing me graphics artifacts in vid's or pareidolia isn't going to offer adequate proof, artifacts are artifacts, pareidolia is interesting understanding the psyche of the viewer.. if they are mind artifacts, hallucinations, "beliefs" what does that say?

Can't objectify? Alice in wonderland phenomenon comes to mind.. if the phenomena is "in the head" and it is creating drama in one's life, that obviously means something. I'm not looking for 'in the head' phenomena (http://indianethos.com/turiya-what-is-turiya-as-per-vedic-scriptures/), from the state between sleep and dreaming hallucination (hindu - shall we go into that sometime? that state? ) although, exploring hallucination is not what interests me.

[onawah]

So Turiya, if you believe all that you have stated in this post, why is it that in the past you have so consistently tried to downplay the damage that the Annunaki and the Reptilians have been doing here for thousands of years, and the resources they have with which to push their agenda?



What I am getting at is this:
It appears that certain malevolent extraterrestrials who see what a jewel this planet is, with all of the teaming life that is found here. And, it is obvious that they have the notion of making this planet their very own. They have also understood how to skirt the Earth's defense mechanism. And in order to do this, to avoid being ejected as an univited guest, is to gain the trust of a certain percentage of the race of human beings that are living here. If human beings want these extraterrestrials to be here on this planet, then Mother Earth will have to abide with their collective freedom of choice to have these entities to be here. So, in knowing this, these malevolent extraterrestrials have made it a part of their agenda - to play both sides of the malevolent / benevolent spectrum. They are play both sides! They are of the same race! The good Dracos & the bad Dracos are working together!

Arthur Neumann told Bill Ryan that the Annunaki have split into two groups - the Good Annunaki & the Bad Annunaki... nothing could be further from the truth. They are ALL Annunaki working together to possess this planet for themselves. They have been behind much of the mischief that has plagued this planet for vast number of years. They are out to eliminate most of the human population on the planet. And whoever is left are to be their slaves. I mean, simply look around and one can see that they have been manipulating human beings through the banking system, the Deep-State black-ops, into killing each other through countless wars, poisoning each other w/ GMO foods, population reduction, Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, HAARP, chemtrails, transhumanism... and on & on.

Hence, they have humanity in the palm of their hands. The Good Reptilitans are at war with the Bad Reptilians - this the game that they are playing with us! They got the SSP military involved. They are only appearing to be at war with each other. The only war there is to decide who will be claiming this planet Earth for themselves, and who will be making what is left of humanity their slaves. Understand this!

The only way for these entities to be removed from this planet by the Earth & her guardians is only if humanity wakes up to this fact - that we are being 'played'! Humanity is being befooled. So, please see what is taking place, here.

So, in order to straighten out this planet, is to get rid of these manipulative extraterrestrials. They do not have our best interests in mind. It is really up to us to wake up to this fact. Understanding this, that it is up to us to figure this out, and we don't need these extraterrestrials to be hanging around that appear to be wanting to help us. Its a false notion... its like Fake News, its a fasle idea that's been planted.

So, it's really up to us.

[onawah]

Granted, there are lots of lies and fake news out there, but on Avalon we are working toward getting at the truth, asking questions and developing discernment.
I haven't seen anyone here lately saying that they think ETs are going to save us, have you?

Channeling takes many forms... Look at CNN that is repeating 24/7 channeling information to the public.

Some say that they are a propaganda arm for the Deep-State. Where can you find proof of this?

What's the "Official Story"?


"Bashar used chemicals on his own people!" Its true because MSM says so...
"A Lone Gunman Killed Kennedy." --Warren Commission



"Oh, you're just a Conspiracy Theorist."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g3yobPqpd0

And, that all it takes to put an end to it?

Yeah it does, if one enjoys their enslavement, I suppose.

[turiya]

Granted, there are lots of lies and fake news out there, but on Avalon we are working toward getting at the truth, asking questions and developing discernment.

So then, what's the beef?

That term 'discernment', it certainly was used an awful lot by Corey Goode.... wasn't it?

Just asking...

[onawah]

I was responding to the post of yours quoted below, Turiya.
No beef, just agreeing that there is all kinds of false information out there, including channeled information.
But rather than picking the ones we like and assuming that everything that one says is correct, the goal on Avalon is to operate from the more or less proven axiom that some of the information is correct and some of it isn't, including that of any given source (however much we may prefer it), thereby developing the abilities to discern, discuss rationally, reason logically, investigate, correlate, compare, etc. in order, hopefully, to separate the true from the false.
Always keeping in mind that none of us are incapable of misjudging or being deceived, and willing to admit it if it turns out we are wrong.

I have no idea what terminology Corey Goode used or didn't use, as I've never pursued his information, either here on Avalon or elsewhere.
He never seemed like a good source to me, so I let others do that, and consequently, have seldom offered any opinion about him.
However, lots of people use lots of words, and if a person with a bad reputation uses a perfectly good word like "discern", it doesn't necessarily follow that that word is bad.


Channeling takes many forms... Look at CNN that is repeating 24/7 channeling information to the public.

Some say that they are a propaganda arm for the Deep-State. Where can you find proof of this?

What's the "Official Story"?


"Bashar used chemicals on his own people!" Its true because MSM says so...
"A Lone Gunman Killed Kennedy." --Warren Commission



"Oh, you're just a Conspiracy Theorist."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g3yobPqpd0

And, that all it takes to put an end to it?

Yeah it does, if one enjoys their enslavement, I suppose.

[onawah]

Not upsetting at all, Turiya, but Jordan Maxwell admitted to having been involved with the elite early on, then changed his ways and spent years providing some good ( not all good, but that's true for most whistleblowers) whistleblower information,
and is now nearly bankrupt, probably as a consequence. (I'm no expert on Maxwell, as I never liked his vibe, but he does seem to have improved somewhat over the years.)
Not sure I understand this statement of yours:"Putting the puzzle pieces together... And, one will then understand how the following Chris White video fits into place.... as Jordan has links to the occult of Freemasonry which came out of Helena Blavatsky & Alice Baily's Theosophy teachings..."
... since Freemasonry was going strong way before Blavatsky or Bailey's times.
Will you be providing an answer to my query here?:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99009-The-Mantis-Alien--Insectalin--Hybridization-Agenda&p=1171668&viewfull=1#post1171668
Has anyone vetted Chris White? He seems very young to have become such an expert on these issues that have been ongoing controversy for many years now.
And how do we know that "the Annunaki were also channeling information to Madame Blavatsky (and later to Alice Baily), through the enitity that Blavatsky & Baily referred to as Djwhal Khul... "
That the source was the Annunaki would seem to be very difficult to prove, by any standard.





Putting the puzzle pieces together... And, one will then understand how the following Chris White video fits into place.... as Jordan has links to the occult of Freemasonry which came out of Helena Blavatsky & Alice Baily's Theosophy teachings...


Jordan Maxwell Debunked by Chris White
(Published on Apr 21, 2011)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRQgV-N2DSE

With that said, one can then see that Chris Thomas, who I view as having an excellent capability to Remote View (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing)... And through his research, has provided us with the information that the Annunaki were also channeling information to Madame Blavatsky (and later to Alice Baily), through the enitity that Blavatsky & Baily referred to as Djwhal Khul (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djwal_Khul)...


Illuminati Controlled by the Anunnaki
/ Velon & Influence of New Age
(Published on Jan 9, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdNVGqhvMJQ

[Mister ET]

Bumping this :bump: inasmuch as both Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan have cited Dr. Pete Peterson as being among the handful of whistleblowers who they consider to have the highest credibility, right up there with Arthur Neumann, Linda Howe and Richard Dolan, I think we must pay attention to his assertion that there are humanoid beings who are also Insectoid in nature. He didn't say that they are genetically engineered hybrids or clones or anything of that nature. but seems to categorize them as actually having evolved that way naturally, inasmuch as any species has done so... It seems like there has been a whole lot of crossbreeding going on since time out of mind, so I wonder if anyone can trace the true origins of any race with any real surety.
We are all universal 'mutts'. :bigsmile: Humans have Anu genes, the Anu have who-knows-what genetic composition, and those who have influenced the Anu gene, wait for it, have an unknown lineage from an infinite "past".

[turiya]

We are all universal 'mutts'. :bigsmile: Humans have Anu genes, the Anu have who-knows-what genetic composition, and those who have influenced the Anu gene, wait for it, have an unknown lineage from an infinite "past".

Is that a "proven maxim"? ...My skepticism is again tweaked.

I would say that it certainly has worked its way into the human collective way thinking, to at least to a certain degree... 'Fake News' / propaganda has a tendency to do that... over time, especially when it is repeated time & time & time again.

I personally would not be so accepting of 'channeled' information that came out of the hands of Sitchin's automatic writing sesssions... leaving supposed factually true information that cannot be viewed as 'proven to be true' by any standard...

I must say that it is mind boggling that seemingly so many of the scientifically-minded can have their logical way of thinking morph into a kind of religious-like believing... I guess its difficult to keep one's feet firmly planted on the ground, when the mind soars into the heights of the clouded skies of fictional dreaming...

Somehow approaching quite closely to the fuzzy borderlines between scientific fact & religious-like cultish belief, overlapping somewhat into the realm of what can be considered a double-standard!

[Mister ET]

We are all universal 'mutts'. :bigsmile: Humans have Anu genes, the Anu have who-knows-what genetic composition, and those who have influenced the Anu gene, wait for it, have an unknown lineage from an infinite "past".

Is that a "proven maxim"? ...My skepticism is again tweaked.

I would say that it certainly has worked its way into the human collective way thinking, to at least to a certain degree... 'Fake News' / propaganda has a tendency to do that... over time, especially when it is repeated time & time & time again.

I personally would not be so accepting of 'channeled' information that came of out hands of Sitchin's automatic writing sesssions... leaving supposed factually true information that cannot be viewed as 'proven to be true' by any standard...
Sitchin quantifies and supports the information that was given to us via many, many sources well prior to Sitchin's writings.


I must say that it is mind boggling that seemingly so many of the scientifically-minded can have their logical way of thinking morph into a kind of religious-like believing... I guess its difficult to keep one's feet firmly planted on the ground, when the mind soars into the heights of the clouded sky of fictional dreams...

Somehow approaching the borderline of perhaps a double-standard?
Perhaps...
I wouldn't know, this has nothing to do with me.

[turiya]

Sitchin quantifies and supports the information that was given to us via many, many sources well prior to Sitchin's writings.

Not to be such a pest... but, like what sources?

[Mister ET]

Sitchin quantifies and supports the information that was given to us via many, many sources well prior to Sitchin's writings.

Not to be such a pest... but, like what sources?
Imagination and inquisition is not pesty. See my sig. I can only say that the spirit world, through physical and mental mediumship, and the ET communicating community, through a number of methodologies, have reliably provided information, in modern times, since the middle 1800s. It is my passion to follow this trail of information and report it within the rules of which I agreed.

[turiya]

Imagination and inquisition is not pesty. See my sig. I can only say that the spirit world, through physical and mental mediumship, and the ET communicating community, through a number of methodologies, have reliably provided information, in modern times, since the middle 1800s. It is my passion to follow this trail of information and report it within the rules of which I agreed.

Thanks for your honest reply...


Jordan Maxwell admitted to having been involved with the elite early on, then changed his ways and spent years providing some good ( not all good, but that's true for most whistleblowers) whistleblower information, and is now nearly bankrupt, probably as a consequence. (I'm no expert on Maxwell, as I never liked his vibe, but he does seem to have improved somewhat over the years.)

Not sure I understand this statement of yours: "Putting the puzzle pieces together... And, one will then understand how the following Chris White video fits into place.... as Jordan has links to the occult of Freemasonry which came out of Helena Blavatsky & Alice Baily's Theosophy teachings..."

... since Freemasonry was going strong way before Blavatsky or Bailey's times.

[snip]

Has anyone vetted Chris White? He seems very young to have become such an expert on these issues that have been ongoing controversy for many years now.

And how do we know that "the Annunaki were also channeling information to Madame Blavatsky (and later to Alice Baily), through the enitity that Blavatsky & Baily referred to as Djwhal Khul... "
That the source was the Annunaki would seem to be very difficult to prove, by any standard.


Putting the puzzle pieces together... And, one will then understand how the following Chris White video fits into place.... as Jordan has links to the occult of Freemasonry which came out of Helena Blavatsky & Alice Baily's Theosophy teachings...


Jordan Maxwell Debunked by Chris White
(Published on Apr 21, 2011)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRQgV-N2DSE

With that said, one can then see that Chris Thomas, who I view as having an excellent capability to Remote View (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing)... And through his research, has provided us with the information that the Annunaki were also channeling information to Madame Blavatsky (and later to Alice Baily), through the enitity that Blavatsky & Baily referred to as Djwhal Khul (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djwal_Khul)...


Illuminati Controlled by the Anunnaki
/ Velon & Influence of New Age
(Published on Jan 9, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdNVGqhvMJQ
The 'vibe' that you picked up from Jordan Maxwell should give you a good reference to use as to what 'vibe' you can pick up from the writings of Madame Blavatsky, Alice Bailey & Albert Pike - all acquiring their information from their so-called "spirit guides" - i.e. "Channeled Information"

Sorry, if its a bit lengthy post, but so it goes... edit: Oh yeah, by the time you get to the end of this post, you may understand better why Chris White went after Jordan Maxwell with his Debunk Jordan Maxell video - that's because the man is very much a Christian... get it?


Freemasonry was going strong way before Blavatsky or Bailey's times.

Certainly, the origin of Freemasonry goes back quite a ways. However. the original Freemasonry would no doubt have a very different context than what was brought in when it merged with the Bavarian Illuminati (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati). It certainly picked up greater strength through Albert Pike (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike) (1809-1891), who was the Grand Master of the North American Freemasons at the time. He was also a high-ranking member of the Klu Klux Klan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan). He wrote the "Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Rite of Freemasonry". He was also responsible for writing a new Freemasonry Rite called the Palladian Rite whose intentions were revealed in a letter written to him from Giuseppe Mazzini (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Mazzini) (appointed to the leadership of the Illuminati in 1934):

"We must allow all the federations to continue just as they are, with their systems, their central authorities and diverse modes of correspondence between high grades of the same rite, organized as they are at present, but we must create a super rite, which will remain unknown, to which we will call those Masons of high degree whom we shall select. With regard to our brothers in Masonry, these men must be pledged to the strictest secrecy. Through this supreme rite, we will govern all Freemasonry which will become the one International Center, the more powerful because its direction will be unknown."

In 1859 Pike was also appointed to coordinate all activities undertaken by the Illuminati in the USA. Pike had a particular interest in a one-world government and worked with his occult "spirit guide" to formulate plans which could bring this single government about. Along with others, Pike worked out plans to bring about three world wars...

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the 'agentur' (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions.

The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm.

The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the 'agentur' of the 'Illuminati' between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion.

We shall unleash the Nihilists and the Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute Atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
See Link: http://endrtimes.blogspot.com/2007/06/albert-pikes-letter-to-guisseppe.html

More on Albert Pike @ the Link (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1483)

Anton LaVey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_LaVey), the High Priest of the Church of Satan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan) states:

"...Masonic orders have contained the most influential men in many governments, and virtually every occult order has many Masonic roots.

And, David Carrico, author of "20th Century Occult Revival" writes the following:

"Freemasonry is not just an occult secret society. Freemasonry has served for over two hundred years as a fertile recruiting ground for other occult orders. Men who have come together to practice Masonry have many times down through the years formed other organizations to plunge even deeper into the occult."

According to David Carrico, the first group that used the Masonic lodge for their somewhat nefarious designs was the Bavarian Illuminati, which was founded by Adam Weishaupt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt), a professor of Canon Law at Ingolstadt University, on May 1, 1776. As the notoriety & the agenda of the Illuminati began to become known, some people took a stand against its reason for assembly.

"John Robinson, a professor of Natural Philosophy at Edinburgh University, and General Secretary of the Royal Society of Edinburgh. In his book, Proofs of a Conspiracy, which was originally published in 1798, Robinson documented how Masonry served as the nursery school for the Illuminati. It was then discovered that this group and several associated Lodges were the preparation-school for another Order of Masons, who called themselves THE ILLUMINATED, and that the express aim of this Order was to abolish Christianity and overturn all civil government.

The leaders of the New Age Movement have also found a friend in the friendly confines of the Masonic lodges. In the last two centuries Freemasonry and the New Age Movement have been intricately entwined."

This is when Helena Petrovna Blavatsky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Blavatsky) comes onto the scene.

In 1875, Russian occultist Helena Petrovna Blavatsky founds the Theosophical Society (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy). Blavatsky claims that Tibetan holy men in the Himalyas, whom she refers to as Masters of Wisdom, communicated with her in London by telepathy. She insists that the Chrisitans have it all backwards - that Satan is good and God is evil. She writes:

"The Christians and scientists must be made to respect their Indian betters. The Wisdom of India, her philosophy and achievement, must be made known in Europe and America."

In 1891 Blavatsky dies.

Moving onto Alice A. Bailey...
"Alice A. Bailey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey) was the reigning 'queen' of The New Age movement until her death in the 1970's. She wrote over twenty books with the help of her spirit guide, the Tibetan master Djwahl Khul (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djwal_Khul). Mrs. Bailey spoke plainly and truthfully about the fact that the Masonic lodge was the training school for the leaders of the occult world. Alice A. Bailey said of Freemasonry:

"In 1934, "The Externalization of the Hierarchy (https://www.lucistrust.org/online_books/the_externalisation_the_hierarchy_obook)" was written & published by Alice Bailey. Bailey is an occultist, taking over from Annie Besant as head of the Theosophical society. Bailey's works are channeled from the Tibetan Master 'spirit guide' Djwahl Kuhl through automatic writing. She writes:

"The hour for the ancient mysteries has arrived. These Ancient Mysteries were hidden in numbers, in ritual, in words, and in symbology; these veil the secret. There is no question therefore that the work to be done in familiarizing the general public with the nature of the Mysteries is of paramount importance at this time. These Mysteries will be restored to outer expression through the medium of the Church and the Masonic Fraternity."

She further writes:

"Out of the spoliation of all existing culture and civilization, the new world order must be built."

So, from these writings, one can get a sense of the 'vibe' that radiates from these characters. It can also be seen that those who are connected with the Illuminati believe that they have access to secret and hidden knowledge which they are attempting to force onto the rest of an unsuspecting population.
[Seems like they've done a pretty good job thus far... however, not for very much longer...]

Reference: Source 1 (https://www.ericbarger.com/articles/fmoccult.htm)

[turiya]

Continuing from the above post...

It was from Albert Pike & Alice Bailey who had gotten from their so-called "spirit guides" the notion that "the 'New World Order' must be built."

One can see just how far these notions that these people have written about have infiltrated the mindset of the human political collective scene...

"The term New World Order (NWO) has been used by numerous politicians through the ages, and is a generic term used to refer to a worldwide conspiracy being orchestrated by an extremely powerful and influential group of genetically-related individuals (at least at the highest echelons) which include many of the world's wealthiest people, top political leaders, and corporate elite, as well as members of the so-called Black Nobility of Europe (dominated by the British Crown)whose goal is to create a One World (fascist) Government, stripped of nationalistic and regional boundaries, that is obedient to their agenda."


See what the Zionist* banker, Paul Warburg has openly acknowledged:



"We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." -- (February 17, 1950, as he testified before the US Senate).

The acquisition and consolidation of ever greater wealth, natural resources, total political power, and control over others are the motivating forces which drive the decisions of the NWO leaders. The toll in human suffering and the loss of innocent lives are non issues for these individuals.

Perhaps the best way to relate a brief history of the New World Order, would be to use the words of those who have been striving to make it real throughout the ages. You will be amazed at how far back this grand plan has extended, and how many similarities there are in early Century 21 compared to the 1990's, with two Presidents from the Bush family in power.

From Albert Pike (1809-1891) to Helena Blavatsky (1831-1891 to Alice Bailey (1880-1949) and onward to 1932, when F.S. Marvin published The New World Order describing the League of Nations as the first attempt at a New World Order. Marvin says,



"nationality must rank below the claims of mankind as a whole."

The list of dates in which prominent individuals in government have promoted a NWO is quite extensive. I finish this post with whom most everyone will be quite familiar with - In 1991, George H. W. Bush praises the New World Order in a State of Union Message:



"What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea -- a new world order... to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind... based on shared principles and the rule of law.... The illumination of a thousand points of light.... The winds of change are with us now."

So, its easy to see this NWO agenda has been planned for over the course of more than 200 years. Beginning with extensively channeled messages from so-called "spirit guides" from the mid 1800's with Albert Pike through the banking system to those in positions of power in government. It would not be that much of a stretch to consider the possibility that these so-called "spirit guides" were perhaps no more than a group or race of extraterrestrial entities bent on a plan to take control over this planet & perhaps possess it for themselves. First, take control over those that are in positions of political power, the economic / banking system & then the Deep State / military branches. It then would be a matter of time to have policies put into place that would eventually lead to the slow extermination of the rest of the human population on a worldwide basis, (Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, Smart Meter implementation, vaccinations, a GMO food supply, chemtrails, etc. etc.).

Source: https://sites.google.com/site/nocancerfoundation/albert-pike

[turiya]

Back to the Mantis.... or Mantid Insectalin beings...


Touched - Encounters with Alien Life Forms
Part 1/5
(Published on Feb 6, 2011)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3eRj6iMo9Q__________________

Touched - Encounters with Alien Life Forms
Part 2/5
(Published on Feb 6, 2011)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG35NH8OK4I__________________

Touched - Encounters with Alien Life Forms
Part 3/5
(Published on Feb 6, 2011)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ity-CDqlmA4__________________

Touched - Encounters with Alien Life Forms
Part 4/5
(Published on Feb 6, 2011)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4nLRk56slU__________________

Touched - Encounters with Alien Life Forms
Part 5/5
(Published on Feb 6, 2011)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YoLpn21GSA

[turiya]

Abduction cases...



Bedroom Encounter With 10ft Tall
Insectoid Mantis Extraterrestrial (https://youtu.be/wVXZlcjgS3c)
(Published on Apr 30, 2015)
http://ytimg.googleusercontent.com/vi/wVXZlcjgS3c/0.jpg
VIDEO (https://youtu.be/wVXZlcjgS3c)

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Alien Abductee Kellie McLean
Mantis Encounter (https://youtu.be/Dj2zWNLFNjQ)
(Published on Jan 6, 2016)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Dj2zWNLFNjQ/hqdefault.jpg
VIDEO (https://youtu.be/Dj2zWNLFNjQ)

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Alien Abductee Rose Hargrove
Mantis Encounter (https://youtu.be/RCbf0JtRvlE)
(Published on Jan 7, 2016)
https://img.youtube.com/vi/RCbf0JtRvlE/hqdefault.jpg
VIDEO (https://youtu.be/RCbf0JtRvlE)

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Alien Abductee Sandy Nichols
Mantis Encounter
(Published on Sep 8, 2015)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/EiUQ7ikYYU0/hqdefault.jpg
VIDEO

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Alien Abductee Withley Strieber
Mantis Encounter (https://youtu.be/PcUaYpvLyNk)
(Published on Nov 14, 2015)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PcUaYpvLyNk/hqdefault.jpg
VIDEO (https://youtu.be/PcUaYpvLyNk)

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Alien Abductee Sunny Williams
Mantis Encounter. (https://youtu.be/VrFfvtl5D4M)
(Published on Apr 20, 2015)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VrFfvtl5D4M/hqdefault.jpg
VIDEO (https://youtu.be/VrFfvtl5D4M)

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Alien Abductee Denise Stoner
Mantis Encounter (https://youtu.be/VTp_OOUl2Is)
(Published on Apr 21, 2015)
http://paramoral.5mp.eu/honlapkepek/paramoral/6V7AEX2NVr/nagy/pet1.jpg
VIDEO (https://youtu.be/VTp_OOUl2Is)

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Insectoid Praying Mantis ETs And Out Of
Body Abductions (a.K.a Astral Abduction). (https://youtu.be/x7FJPYGEYpo)
(Published on Sep 21, 2015)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x7FJPYGEYpo/0.jpg
VIDEO (https://youtu.be/x7FJPYGEYpo)

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Alien Abductee Linda Porter
Mantis Encounter
(Published on Mar 20, 2015)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FCHiaY6VEM

[TrumanCash]

If we are talking about Mantids here, I have never come across an abductee with a bad encounter with one of these, which is a bit strange.
Please send me any find´s of mantid beeings scaring an abductee ?

Allrighty then. I have had many "bad encounters" with Mantids, some of which I have documented in THE EYE OF RA. Mantids are real control freaks. It's not a matter of whether an abductee is afraid of them but what they do. Actions speak louder than words.

If you want to know what Mantids are doing, please take the time to read THE EYE OF RA and connect the dots.

TLC

[findingneo]

Vesica pisces comes to mind TC re Mantids, and being forced to reincarnate with a cover story. I have not read all your stuff, but what I have read sounds VERY valuable information. You are one of the few folk I listen to on these things.

[TrumanCash]

Regarding my experiences with the ETs who are often called "Mantids", "Mantis beings" or perhaps also "Insectoids", at the time I was recovering these memories I didn't know what a "Mantid" was. If memory serves, I think I might have mentioned that an ET in one incident looked like a "preying mantis" in THE EYE OF RA, so I did not use the "Mantid" label regarding my experiences with them when I wrote my books.

At the time I was doing my independent research about the same time as Karla Turner and Barbara Bartholic were doing theirs. And this was apparently long before the term "Mantid" or "Mantis being" came into common usage. Of course I went deeper down the rabbit hole than other researchers at that time so people like Linda Moulton Howe who read my books then were obviously very skeptical of this new information that included not only the past lives phenomenon but the between-lives machinations of Mantids as well. (I've noticed from her more recent interviews/videos that she finally gets it--that it's about us as spiritual beings.)

Most of the information on Mantids is included in the chapter "In-Between Lives Implants & Out of Body Abductions". In one incident I was captured (as a free being) by Mantis Beings and they forced me into a Mantis body and taught me how to operate the implanting mothership. So I actually became one of them. Also, there are two incidents in "The Nazi Connection" chapter involving Mantis Beings.

I remember Simon Parkes saying that "Mantid" was a British term whereas "Mantis" or "Mantis Being" was an American term. Of course, he said this two decades after I exposed them in the mid-90s before either term came into common usage.

[findingneo]

Thanks TC. I have read the part about you being a free being, and being forced into a Mantid body. I had not heard of a "free being" before that.
I had a regression where I could not go through a door into a past life, but was hanging upside down from the top of the door opening hanging on and trying to pull myself down and through the door. Thought I was failing, but I was eventually told to let go, went up, feet first and then I was in a nebula.

Assumed I was just between bodies, but then I went past a worm hole in the blackness of space. It had a grid like structure, like if you drew grid lines to show the curving top of a tuba. The lines were visible and where each line crossed, there was a light, like on a runway. I saw a 5 or 6 sided pyramid on a dark planet or star, and it was lit up too. (I saw this before I had ever heard of pyramids's off of earth, and I had assumed I was between bodies. I did not realize that is what that is called, a free being). I continued on, actually, I was then just at earth. It was just like I was in one place and then the next. I don't remember how I got there. I remember zooming, no body over the surface of the flat sea on earth. It was fun beautiful and exhilarating. I got to the shore, saw a crab and went into it to feel what it was like for a moment. I could see out of it from close to the sand. I was then picked up by a human hand, got a little start and zoomed out of the crab again. I zoomed through a rainforest half way up the canopy and was jolted out of it from the painfully intense love I felt from the plant life. It actually hurt, whatever I was, as it was so concentrated and intense. Unimaginable, love.

Is that what a wanderer is? I recall lives going back here a 1000 or so years.

I need to go and read your stuff all the way through. Yes, you have a lot of stuff that is unique to you. And that is why I think is so valuable. Some of the best stuff is out of the limelight.

Thank you TC.

[findingneo]

Foxie Loxie, I have had lots of aha moments. It may be just a taste of something, but it gives me a heap of clues relating to other stuff. I don't really want to lay it out.

I have been looking at all this for only about 2.5 years too. So much still to learn. What about you Foxie Loxie? What have been your "Aha" moments?

[Spiral]

If we are talking about Mantids here, I have never come across an abductee with a bad encounter with one of these, which is a bit strange.
Please send me any find´s of mantid beeings scaring an abductee ?

Allrighty then. I have had many "bad encounters" with Mantids, some of which I have documented in THE EYE OF RA. Mantids are real control freaks. It's not a matter of whether an abductee is afraid of them but what they do. Actions speak louder than words.

If you want to know what Mantids are doing, please take the time to read THE EYE OF RA and connect the dots.

TLC

I have encountered these beings too, (and I don't mean in the "astral"), it always seemed to involve implants of one form or another, either physical or non physical.

They seem very much involved in managing our experiential reality & successive lives.

[Foxie Loxie]

findingneo....I would say my biggest Aha moment would be when I realized that each of us is an Eternal, Sovereign Being & having to recognize that the entire human race has been "dumbed down" for centuries!! :facepalm: What's yours?

[findingneo]

Foxie Loxie.....
hard to pinpoint one thing, there has been heaps.