Our DNA seems mystical

[bbow73]

this is long but super compelling. also, the scientist is adorable
4Rx35q-zJRk

[bbow73]

from top down our dna looks like divine geometry, from a side view it looks like a sound wave... a frequency/vibration... wtf.... this was not covered in my Bio101 class.

[7alon]

Hmmm the grail cup he says? So could it be the Holy Grail is actually information relative to creation?

[Bubu]

Here is another grail version;

https://avxhm.se/ebooks/1842931296.html

[Ultima Thule]

Caveat:
The concept is interesting and also this is nothing personal:

I do hope that omg and others like it will not become a regular part of thread titles - oftentimes already they are too vague and videos get a hit-and-run -treatment where not even a short explanatory text is provided. The next stop would be "7 things you don´t know about being awake".

I do actually hope that this thread title could be modified by the op into something more descriptive and less, well.... :confused: less.

I emphasize, nothing personal here!


UT

[OopsWrongPlanet?]

Perhaps better check this out before getting too excited about Dan Winter's theories. It's what comes up when you go to his own website, the one he refers to in the talk:-

http://www.danwinter.com

Quote from the site:- " The most important issue is that the materials presented by Mr. Winter are not only taken from the works of others, but that he is deliberately misrepresenting those works. In other words, social, political, personal, and legal issues aside, the materials presented by Mr. Winter are bogus. Mr. Winter actually bragged -- when he was first confronted about his lying -- that he knew that what he was presenting (particularly with regard to the golden mean and the golden spiral) was untrue, but that his audiences -- in his words -- were "too stupid to know the difference."

[bbow73]

Perhaps better check this out before getting too excited about Dan Winter's theories. It's what comes up when you go to his own website, the one he refers to in the talk:-

http://www.danwinter.com

Quote from the site:- " The most important issue is that the materials presented by Mr. Winter are not only taken from the works of others, but that he is deliberately misrepresenting those works. In other words, social, political, personal, and legal issues aside, the materials presented by Mr. Winter are bogus. Mr. Winter actually bragged -- when he was first confronted about his lying -- that he knew that what he was presenting (particularly with regard to the golden mean and the golden spiral) was untrue, but that his audiences -- in his words -- were "too stupid to know the difference."

I don't understand the legal dispute. Don't really care who Dan Winter is or who has a beef with him. I like DNA.
He said you don't have to used the Fibonacci spiral to draw the 'flame letter' but it still means that you can... which to me is interesting bit.

[bbow73]

Caveat:
The concept is interesting and also this is nothing personal:

I do hope that omg and others like it will not become a regular part of thread titles - oftentimes already they are too vague and videos get a hit-and-run -treatment where not even a short explanatory text is provided. The next stop would be "7 things you don´t know about being awake".

I do actually hope that this thread title could be modified by the op into something more descriptive and less, well.... :confused: less.

I emphasize, nothing personal here!


UT

this is one of the things I don't like about this forum. I was excited when I saw the video, the title was a reflection of that. It was organic. People and communities are organic. But now it has been sanitized... I assume because Bill and the moderators are worried about being perceived as a sophisticated forum. But the trade off is authenticity. This is one of the reasons why I left the church... they were a bunch of controlling phonies. In any community you can have unity or uniformity, you cannot have both... because we are individuals not robots. I feel insulted every time one of my posts are edited, its censorship. In a genuine community people are accepted flaws and all. The decent thing to do would be for someone to contact me privately and ask if I would be willing to change the wording of something and then accept the answer if I say no.

[starlight]

Bbow, don't take things personal here on Avalon! Think of this community as a special club. We certainly do not have to be "unified" but we should try to be presentable in our contributions! This online forum is a collective group of smart individuals who saw through the "veil" and therefore want to help others as well! Mentors should always have their head on straight :ROFL:

[Ernie Nemeth]

So I watched the video and found it to be very good. Then I look at the comments. What?

Have any here watched the vid? The comments do not reflect that. There should be discussion around the salient points, which are logical and beautiful. I am not going there, although I wish I could. Stop raining on the parade. It is not the person who is important but the information.

edit: deleted this emotional paragraph, I was upset

This is a very forceful explanation of the intrinsic informational losses our present theories of DNA fail to address. Meaning cannot be conveyed by the sequence of codons, the four building blocks of DNA code. Stacking of waveforms with widely divergent wavelength and frequency creates a standing wave we call DNA. This is a revolutionary concept. The fact that this standing wave is not only re-enforced, but also informed, by the heart is amazing insight.

[Bubu]

The fact that this standing wave is not only re-enforced, but also informed, by the heart is amazing insight.

While all of us agree that media is toxic, almost everything that is put out there becomes a fact almost instantly.

[Innocent Warrior]

Perhaps better check this out before getting too excited about Dan Winter's theories. It's what comes up when you go to his own website, the one he refers to in the talk:-

http://www.danwinter.com

Quote from the site:- " The most important issue is that the materials presented by Mr. Winter are not only taken from the works of others, but that he is deliberately misrepresenting those works. In other words, social, political, personal, and legal issues aside, the materials presented by Mr. Winter are bogus. Mr. Winter actually bragged -- when he was first confronted about his lying -- that he knew that what he was presenting (particularly with regard to the golden mean and the golden spiral) was untrue, but that his audiences -- in his words -- were "too stupid to know the difference."

Ohhh! ...that's disappointing, I watched for a few minutes, liked what I saw, and was looking forward to getting into it.

I'm really interested in a scientific approach to the energetic effects on our DNA, anyone know of legit material on this topic?

[Bob]

Hia Rachel - I wouldn't give one 1/10 of an iota to Dan Winter's theories.. (He'll hate me for saying that, but WTF...)... I will say this for the group, consider DNA is a frequency pattern, which adjusts energy space to have matter fall into the electrical geometry which is expressed in the DNA.. Consider it a pattern for matter to congeal into - Winter has no clue with his fractal madness.. :) I will neither train him nor enlighten him because he charges for his "workshops" and videos etc..
IMHO of course if one is to enlighten it should be gratis, for free, not his "learn it all here" stuff (just pay this...) .. I speak from experience since the late 1980's when I told Dan, it is holographic. He jumped instead into his diatribe, to get folks interested in his workshops... Whatever eh?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Oh, now I get it.
Why didn't you guys say so. Good old Drunvalo, aka Bernard Perona was mentioned and is a petitioner of the suit. Now it makes sense.

A character assassination. Gotcha. Okay, no more talk of DNA as packed waves of varying length and frequency. Got it.

Thanks

[Bob]

Ernie - Bernie told me that he was told by his friend from Ojai that he needs to run the scam to get people treating him like a guru.. The whole "spin" comes from that maneuver.. charge via workshop and get paid for deluding the public into a "plausible" new age "osho-like" experience. These folks jumped on the new age workshop bandwagon to create the spin literally..

Let's stay on-topic about DNA and how it can do 'it's magic' ..

[Innocent Warrior]

Hia Rachel - I wouldn't give one 1/10 of an iota to Dan Winter's theories.. (He'll hate me for saying that, but WTF...)... I will say this for the group, consider DNA is a frequency pattern, which adjusts energy space to have matter fall into the electrical geometry which is expressed in the DNA.. Consider it a pattern for matter to congeal into - Winter has no clue with his fractal madness.. :) I will neither train him nor enlighten him because he charges for his "workshops" and videos etc..
IMHO of course if one is to enlighten it should be gratis, for free, not his "learn it all here" stuff (just pay this...) .. I speak from experience since the late 1980's when I told Dan, it is holographic. He jumped instead into his diatribe, to get folks interested in his workshops... Whatever eh?

Very interesting, this is exactly what I want to explore actually. Have you written any more on this anywhere, if so can you give me links please? In regards to relevant scientific research, I'm thinking the effects of our magnetic field on matter is a good place to start (e.g. Heart Math Inst.), your thoughts?

[Bob]

Hia Rachel - I wouldn't give one 1/10 of an iota to Dan Winter's theories.. (He'll hate me for saying that, but WTF...)... I will say this for the group, consider DNA is a frequency pattern, which adjusts energy space to have matter fall into the electrical geometry which is expressed in the DNA.. Consider it a pattern for matter to congeal into - Winter has no clue with his fractal madness.. :) I will neither train him nor enlighten him because he charges for his "workshops" and videos etc..
IMHO of course if one is to enlighten it should be gratis, for free, not his "learn it all here" stuff (just pay this...) .. I speak from experience since the late 1980's when I told Dan, it is holographic. He jumped instead into his diatribe, to get folks interested in his workshops... Whatever eh?

Very interesting, this is exactly what I want to explore actually. Have you written any more on this anywhere, if so can you give me links please? In regards to relevant scientific research, I'm thinking the effects of our magnetic field on matter is a good place to start (e.g. Heart Math Inst.), your thoughts?

Hia Rachel, there are some issues with HeartMath.. when I used the program, from Dan Winter and heartmath, I found it stops the heart.. It doesn't create enlightenment.. It stops the "switch" toggle I found which resembles a square wave (that is unstable), which normally the heart will switch to the next state. Both Winter's meditation and heartmath's stops the heart is what I found - disappointed is an understatement and eye opening to me really. You die in other words, while experiencing their still point is what I found - should I be surprised? I wonder about that at times, really. From experience using such stuff I am not impressed. As to DNA I can relate my own research from the 1980's onwards. I am not interested tho in letting folks know how to create a better genetic weapons system, which is what disagreement I had with Elizabeth Raucher, (and Dan) at times as well as the folks at heartmath..

ref- do a google on HeartMath PseudoScience for references. I found it not at all what I wanted to spend any time with. Subsearch McCraty pseudoscience keywords

[Innocent Warrior]

Hia Rachel, there are some issues with HeartMath.. when I used the program, from Dan Winter and heartmath, it stops the heart.. It doesn't create enlightenment.. It stops the "switch" toggle which resembles a square wave (that is unstable), which normally the heart will switch to the next state. Both Winter's meditation and heartmath's stops the heart. You die in other words, while experiencing their still point. From experience using such stuff. As to DNA I can relate my own research from the 1980's onwards. I am not interested tho in letting folks know how to create a better genetic weapons system, which is what disagreement I had with Elizabeth Raucher, (and Dan) at times as well as the folks at heartmath..

Hi Bob, very wise, I'm searching from the perspective of an experiencer and looking for bits and pieces that will help me understand the biological processes of certain experiences, so I certainly understand enough to appreciate your stance. I'm not interested in any programs, just findings, if you ever want to send me a PM about any information on this I'd be most interested, my lips would remain firmly sealed.

[Ultima Thule]

Caveat:
The concept is interesting and also this is nothing personal:

I do hope that omg and others like it will not become a regular part of thread titles - oftentimes already they are too vague and videos get a hit-and-run -treatment where not even a short explanatory text is provided. The next stop would be "7 things you don´t know about being awake".

I do actually hope that this thread title could be modified by the op into something more descriptive and less, well.... :confused: less.

I emphasize, nothing personal here!


UT

this is one of the things I don't like about this forum. I was excited when I saw the video, the title was a reflection of that. It was organic. People and communities are organic. But now it has been sanitized... I assume because Bill and the moderators are worried about being perceived as a sophisticated forum. But the trade off is authenticity. This is one of the reasons why I left the church... they were a bunch of controlling phonies. In any community you can have unity or uniformity, you cannot have both... because we are individuals not robots. I feel insulted every time one of my posts are edited, its censorship. In a genuine community people are accepted flaws and all. The decent thing to do would be for someone to contact me privately and ask if I would be willing to change the wording of something and then accept the answer if I say no.


Bill & the mods have nor had anything to do with my previous post. It was not and is not meant to be personal.

When mentioning authenticity, I'll just give you my take on it: omg et al are in my opinion a prime example of authenticity being absent. And further, they are an example of (to me anyway) persuading the reader to conform to what information is provided soon after. In my opinion the information has to stand on it's own feet and in this Forum one can trust that it can.

At large in internet news and posts are nowadays framed in such a way that they seem really BIG in advance and let you down when you read them. In Avanlon, I propose it should perhaps be the other way around.

Edit: let me put it on another way: you experienced wonder when viewing this video and hope to share that experience. We are of different ages, cultures and personalities in here. What seems to you the perfect way to relate your experience, might be not so to someone else (me in this case). The most important point is to share the experience with as many as possible, this will need to include others that are unlike yourself. Therein lies the case for a "boring" thread-title, it opens up the concept as interesting to a larger group of people than it perhaps could with a "omg"-title. There are so many new threads in here, one needs to present the thread in a neutral but informative way and include more people of variety as possible audience instead of including only people quite like oneself - the video IS interesting and holds it own.

:topic:
UT

[Bob]

Biological processes - consider nervous system, plus genetic resonance. One has access to the "group" genetic resonance (thru the DNA), and race memory, memory couple through experience thru 'others', one's family and group. In that the "allness" memory, (aka Akashic) is available. And folks can mistakenly believe they are "others" (some are Jesus, Maitreya, the Saints, etc..) all from race memory due to the neural resonances via the DNA.. Drunvalo liked to be Thoth.. Learning what is race memory VS one's own beingness as the "I" in the moment is what folks I firmly believe, in general haven't quit 'grocked' (I smile and don't feel like judging, (they will 'get it' eventually I think).. Folks in the ego vibe tend to think of themselves as the "special personality".. Dunno why, maybe it helps their ego with a deficiency if they have such... I like keeping in perspective HUMBLE.. It works for grounding..

DNA allows for historical resonances, which are in the race memories of others.. One can navigate though those memories if one has a good handle on what one's personal identity is and can determine when one is outside of one's personal identity..

That's a general guidepost for public. I've PM'd you :)

On PA for instance, we all have a family "dna race memory" shared with each other because we care for each other. That is a strong resonance.. Sharing of course.. kindness, fraternity.. support.. All through the DNA pattern, and the neural resonances.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Bob.

I knew as soon as I started watching that this person was false. It was his topic that kept me interested, not his character, or lack thereof.

When I was into the Flower of Life stuff I had the same sense about Bernard. It did not stop me from gathering pertinent bits of data. I continued on until my spider senses tingled and insisted I stop, which I did - throwing his books in the garbage (I never do such a thing, I take read books to the laundry room for others to enjoy).

You intimated that DNA is holographic, which is akin to Sheldrake's, Morphic Field resonance theory. This takes that idea further, suggesting a mechanism that perpetuates the integrity of the form - a bio-feedback loop for the organism itself. I thought about that and realized that every gestalt could be explained in this manner - even the entire universe has a stabilizing influence, where every entity is required to maintain the integrity of the whole. I thought it was valid and I liked it could be scaled.

[Bob]

Ernie - I believe we are on the same page. Bernard used a lot of Alice Bailey as his source material, and Emerald Tablets.. The gig of charging for spiritual matters bothers me, as well as doctors charging for medical practices.. If weapons tho are the end result, that is when I clam up and refuse to 'educate'.. Drunvalo and a few others made it clear, teaching all of them was what it was about, and it wasn''t a matter of judging ethics, that the end result was tell 'em all.. I guess that is where I draw the line.

Holographic works, adding in quantum Holographic probably defines the mind concept.. The DNA tho is the multi-spectral key, sorta like a 4 dimensional combinational lock, that if we are in the same "channel" we have "quantum communications" possible with minimal "noise" (noise being out-of-the-flow irrelevant datastreams). So "opening a channel" could be opening a quantum holographic resonance using whatever bio-resonances we can have in similar. I've looked at cross species bridging for instance, adding a "translator" to bridge DNA resonances (it works)..

Charge for this stuff, nah.. point out the significance of quantum information coherence (being on the same support vibe for keeping the group going positively) that seems to me a good thing. We talked earlier about removing incoherence, getting to the DNA channels that appears really solid to me, to get that stable, and not collapsing..

[Ernie Nemeth]

Once when I was investigating some ESP stuff I made contact with some entity that started egging me on, sort of became my groupie (I am very wary of such influence but I was getting good data...). This entity claimed that the entire spinal column acts as an antennae and that the emotions fine tune the receiver. This would then be the continuation of that, bringing it down to the level of the DNA and its central core being like a tuning fork that resonates with the signal and further attenuates it.

[Jayke]

I don't see the issue with charging money to learn spiritual information, there's always a price to pay-whether its the blood, sweat and toil of your own trials and tribulations in life, or the sacrifices you have to make in order to glean some life changing wisdom-we do live in a fundamentally value exchange based system of reality.

The important idea, IMO, of Dan Winters work is the notion of phase conjugation, not everyone will agree with Winters presenting style (I do find him overly verbose in his technical descriptions) but that doesn't mean everything he says is invalid.

Phase conjugation is a particularly important concept because it forms the foundation of Tom Beardens research into Gravitobiology: A new biophysics (ftp://103.81.117.86/07%20Bio-%20Tech%20Department/E-Book%20Collection/Bearden%20-%20Gravitobiology%20-%20A%20new%20biophysics%20(1991,%20www.cheniere.or g).pdf)

And yes this new physics can be used as a weapon, but then people have been using these things as weapons since antiquity, and even more dangerously developed by the soviet union in the form of a new style of weaponry called 'energetics' that Bearden outlines in the above book.

Why is this an important topic to learn about?

Because their are a lot of people practicing all kinds of black magic in the world, and once you realise that what Bearden discusses is the science that enables sorcery to work, you can develop practices of your own to neutralise any malevolent energies while evoking more inspirational energetics into your full body consciousness. Does Dan Winter have all the answers for doing that? Probably not, but there's nothing wrong with using his information as a philosophical platform for developing your own insights into how this stuff all works.

Personally I prefer the time tested methods of magic circles, celestial alignments and correspondences to harness the phase conjugate potentials of the cosmos...I'd recommend Stephen Skinners work as a simpler version of learning the practical aspects of what Dan Winter gets overly technical about...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA3yE_UH1XE

[turiya]

Oh, now I get it.
Why didn't you guys say so. Good old Drunvalo, aka Bernard Perona was mentioned and is a petitioner of the suit. Now it makes sense.

A character assassination. Gotcha. Okay, no more talk of DNA as packed waves of varying length and frequency. Got it.

Thanks

I think one can decifer what the real issue is with this letter from Drunvalo Melchizedek's letter to Dan Winter. Because of Stan Tenen's lawsuit (copyright issue), Drunvalo (aka Bernard Perona) wants to create as a great a distance as possible between himself & Dan Winter. Its, of course, all about $$$$$.

Read Drunvalo's letter to Dan Winter:


http://www.danwinter.com/DM042192.gif

[Bob]

Couldn't read the letter Turia tho..

phase conjugation, a fancy way of saying align up two waves to phase cancel (phase means "time"). Jayke, I believe it is a measure of magnitudes and the amount of wave cancelling one is doing. Making NOTHING of is another way of explaining "phase cancelling", taking vibration and make it stop. Take LIFE and make it STOP.. Phase CANCELLING or stopping.. Stop the flow when a locomotive is pushing head-on at full speed against another locomotive on the same track, puts a lot of pent up energy against each other. That concept is monstrous. But that is the mechanics of "phase conjugation" - phase cancelling while keeping the flow going.

That method is about making a formidable weapon. Hidden in plain sight. Cute and deceptive.

Kiddies playing with black majik have as was noted, have been trying to find out how to make a bigger bang. Phase cancelling with a LOT of drive behind it is that "bigger weapon", bigger bang. Bearden is no different with his version of playing "phase conjugate" majik. He never knew how to do it "right". Love his mechanical analogues though, sells books doesn't it? Started a whole undercurrent misdirection "culture" of "starwars weapons systems" beliefs..

Charging for teaching weapons tech just gnaws at my core ethics. These types believe that teaching better tooth and claw is perfectly fine, and the prize is the "antelope" one managed to catch in one's tooth and claw.. along that line, some of the hidden predators, paint a very pretty image around their "power teachings", calling it "love", or "sacred", and who gee.. wants to know.. to know that they can simply pass that "math class" in school they never had any clue to what the teacher was talking about, by just labeling it "sacred geometry"... nice marketing package for a 5 and dime salesman who found using sex and drugs was the good inroad, a "reward", called sensory pleasure.. Couple that with fancy language, a nice "stagename" some Aleister Crowley, Blavatsky and Alice Bailey dialog, and play with a "spirograph toy" and one has a "new cult" to exploit people with. That quest by those 'majik folk' is not about healing the world, it is about personal power over others, and everything. As pointed out, it's always been that, just they been wanting others adept in "physics and metaphysics" to teach them how to do it better.. (at which point they'd take "credit" for it (and of course charge for that theft).. Quite humorous in my opinion how they call it, their goings on, the "great white brotherhood of light". I suppose when the pent up energy is released, it certainly IS a bright white flash of intense energy.. Great for destruction or conquering one's enemies, or innocents.. They all talk about how much energy comes out of a "pure innocent" (deluded into becoming their ultimate "battery").. naw.. it's cruel, it's not noble nor beneficent in my opinion.

Package it as "defending one's country" and innocent kids get lead into believing they are doing a good deed learning how to pack more latent energy into a system just so that it can be triggered on "command" - ultimate majik, especially if one can get someone to be a dupe to put such latent energy into themselves so that 'they can be' used when needed to supply the "phase conjugated lifeforce" when the 'head spinner' (read spider), needs to suck on some "juice".

Put it into an "explosive" and one has a formidable weapon. The boyz over at the high energy research departments love to know what is the most bang for the buck, and the most bang comes from creating a "phase conjugated" molecular structure, just waiting to release stored charge. The crude explosives use an unstable oxidizer with an organic, lots of carbon (or nitrogen and/or ammonia which is a nitrogen hydrogen matrix).. BUT the atomic "phase conjugators" hold substance in "stasis".. just waiting to be triggered.

There is no "implosion", there is only a massive release of pent up energy. Not for creation, just destruction. I don't care how "flowery" it is packaged. It is what it is. Anybody in the "explosion wake" certainly if they survive is going to get a nice endorphin rush.. Quite an addictive hook.

ref: Mystics and Messiahs, Cults and new 'Religions' in American History - Philip Jenkins

Put the phase conjugate into DNA manipulation, and absolutely "majik" comes out of it, deathly hallows, horcruxes? Maybe the Rowling messages aren't so innocent?

[turiya]

Couldn't read the letter Turia tho..

phase conjugation, a fancy way of saying align up two waves to phase cancel (phase means "time").

[...]

There is no "implosion", there is only a massive release of pent up energy. Not for creation, just destruction. I don't care how "flowery" it is packaged. It is what it is. Anybody in the "explosion wake" certainly if they survive is going to get a nice endorphin rush.. Quite an addictive hook.

ref: Mystics and Messiahs, Cults and new 'Religions' in American History - Philip Jenkins

Put the phase conjugate into DNA manipulation, and absolutely "majik" comes out of it, deathly hallows, horcruxes? Maybe the Rowling messages aren't so innocent?

Interesting, Bob. Thanks.

The notion that one will have more women, or the woman of their dreams / desires, by performing / placing some sort of hex on another, or oneself... its kind of defeating the whole purpose of why one would have taken on a physical life on this particular planet, in the first place.

One has to understand their reason for WHY one would have been so willing to prevent the natural flow of life energy in the first place - having the result of it being 'pent-up' within oneself. Using methods of conjuring what you desire to have would only lead to a much greater frustration at its endpoint. After all, denying another persons 'freedom to choose' would only come back around to bite the conjurer in his own ass, at some time or another. - Oh yeah, that is a good enough reason for being here...

It is my understanding that humanity was on its further way down (after the fall) - regarding Egypt - that is where most of the Atlanteans ended up after the sinking of their continent. And of course, our humanity of today, has reached the bottom of the barrel, in comparison. But its not to say that we are not on the verge of a great rise in consciousness that may roll over us with an overwhelming velocity.

This, I continue to observe, and look for further signs of, with my trusted bag of popcorn that keeps me company.


:)

[Jayke]

phase conjugation, a fancy way of saying align up two waves to phase cancel (phase means "time").

[...]

There is no "implosion", there is only a massive release of pent up energy. Not for creation, just destruction. I don't care how "flowery" it is packaged. It is what it is. Anybody in the "explosion wake" certainly if they survive is going to get a nice endorphin rush.. Quite an addictive hook.

ref: Mystics and Messiahs, Cults and new 'Religions' in American History - Philip Jenkins

Put the phase conjugate into DNA manipulation, and absolutely "majik" comes out of it, deathly hallows, horcruxes? Maybe the Rowling messages aren't so innocent?

Well that's a tremendously naive interpretation of what phase conjugation is capable of (or even how it actually works), naive to the point of being inane IMO...

Especially since I've already posted a link to Tom Beardens book on Gravitobiolgy (you know with the subtitle a new physics of biology), which explains the technicalities of phase conjugation and how it is the preferred method of communication and energy transfer within biological systems. If all phase conjugation can do is cause destruction, why is it the preferred method of communication within biological systems? your arguments make no logical sense and only serve to highlight your bias against Dan Winter.

Tom Bearden outlines the physics and its only a short book (70 pages plus notes) you can read it in a couple hours, it will radically update your understanding of whats possible...beyond the purely destructive qualities at least...

PS slandering someone by saying 'he didn't know how to do it right' is not an argument, its just meaningless slander...so by all means if you have anything substantial to share, please share it...because so far Beardens descriptions explain far more phenomena you see occurring in reality than any of the analogues you've mentioned

[Ernie Nemeth]

I see how this topic is charged for you Bob. From what you say, this method has been used on me a few times, only the explosion was psychic and it leaves me devastated sometimes for weeks. Easily done since all one has to do is apply sympathetic resonance to infiltrate the target, who is already vulnerable due to opening up to unknown fields and experience. That is another reason to explore this topic, to find ways to counter the interference.

Fullerenes, nanotubes of carbon, act very much like DNA, in its electrical and magnetic properties. There could be many applications of a technology based on this information and employing nanotubes as conduits. Besides weapons, which are boring and counter-productive, this tech could be used in energy production, if coupled with Earth's magnetic field, for instance. It could be used for cipher and encryption that could be far more secure. It could also be used to fine tune electronic circuits in a number of interesting ways. And that's just for starters.

This topic meshes seamlessly with new theories in the Electric Universe model., and could be used to experiment in that direction as well.

It may be a dangerous technology but we already have dangerous technologies - and in the hands of megalomaniacs, sociopaths, and psychopaths those weapons are already extremely dangerous, as they use them with impunity. Although this is such a dangerous tech it also has the potential to protect against those same uses.

[Bob]

To me the first step comes from enlightenment, understanding what it is one has experienced, how it affects one, and how it may have been induced. I call that the "ID step" or identification. After which, solutions.. I have a thread in the general forum which is a pretty good method to remove such assault. Ernie you pointed out early on that you found a source being relayed off a power transformer. After pulling the attack vector, the power transformer actually exploded. Very consistent with those types of assaults.

The assault remover technology is virtually cost-free to make. Possibly it could be created virtually if one's nervous system can recreate the appropriate configuration..

Thread is listed here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62967-Beamed-Easy-way-to-get-some-relief-COUNTER-MEASURES&p=724758&viewfull=1#post724758 "Beamed, Easy way to get some relief - CounterMeasures"

That method should also work with satellite beaming of the fields as well.

As to Jayke's discussion - I keep it simple Jayke, so people aren't woo'd by the gobblygook that Dan Winter and Tom Bearden spew. Ways people can understand. Anybody going to Winter's website can see what I mean, it's nonsensical. As to Bearden, his ludicrous techniques have no merit in being able to successfully use such tech. In other words disinformation to get the uninformed woo'd. I've met the dude personally in the late 1970's - totally obvious the military spin to create a literal planetwide "free energy cult".. ludicrous and nonsensical. If you want to derail the thread Jayke, move your topic there. Dna in this thread is the topic and how magic happens.. Defining what magic is could be useful it seems.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Forgot about that transformer...

[Jayke]

As to Jayke's discussion - I keep it simple Jayke, so people aren't woo'd by the gobblygook that Dan Winter and Tom Bearden spew. Ways people can understand. Anybody going to Winter's website can see what I mean, it's nonsensical. As to Bearden, his ludicrous techniques have no merit in being able to successfully use such tech. In other words disinformation to get the uninformed woo'd. I've met the dude personally in the late 1970's - totally obvious the military spin to create a literal planetwide "free energy cult".. ludicrous and nonsensical. If you want to derail the thread Jayke, move your topic there. Dna in this thread is the topic and how magic happens.. Defining what magic is could be useful it seems.

For what purpose would "a free energy cult" serve a social order that's dependant on fossil fuels for its control mechanism? That logic seems completely anathema to the globalists agenda...

I actually find the topics here incredibly pertinent to the theme of this thread on DNA and its mystical properties; we're talking biology and how cells communicate via longitudinal scalar waves (spooky action at a distance) DNA and its ability to structure information within the etheric fields and communicate that information instantaneously across time and space, the DNA's ability to harness harmonics and magnify those harmonics to draw energy out of the ether, to boost the electrical charge of the cells...we're talking the science that supports 3000 years of tradition in Nei Kung (inner alchemy) or Vajryana (Tibetan) Buddhism...(vajra means both thunderbolt and diamond--its the cultivation science of spirituality that enables a person to make their cells more coherent and structured so they can store more energy in their body--energy that can then be used to esoteric affect). How are any of these topics in any way derailing the thread?

You keep things simple, but you also seem to keep things vague (and name dropping people you've met 20-50 years ago doesn't in anyway boost your authority on a subject unless you can provide some substantial evidence to support your opinions)...so far I haven't seen any evidence from your side of the discussion to support your conjectures...but I am a logical person so if you point me in the right direction (some books to read or videos to study) i'll happily investigate new avenues of thought...

[Ernie Nemeth]

After years of contemplation I changed the word magic in my theories to luck. Magic is a word with too many connotations, few of which are pertinent. Magic is a catch-all phrase, where the unexplained is tossed so that no underlying mechanism need be understood. Magic is nothing less than science without the facts or theories. The 'proof' of magic is almost always anecdotal - otherwise it is deception.

Magic is power. Magic is focussed will. Magic is conviction in the unseen and unknown.

How's that?

I sort of agree with Jayke, though. This is a very important topic and I believe it outweighs the theoretical potential for harm.

But when you say, or anybody says, 'Don't look there,' I hear, 'keep digging'.

[Bob]

I suppose Ernie, the point is you don't teach kids how to make liquid explosives. You don't teach kids to play with vibes that can damage all life. Babies learn of course, stewardship says use some common sense. Folks aren't taught to ethically learn to use POWER in a 3 day workshop if they haven't even conceived what ethics are, about living safely in civilization. About creating a sustainable life for not just oneself but families, the village, the society. Those that teach weapons tech are into abuse of life. They are contemptuous of life. I won't support that which is about destroying life for personal power. Ethics and not giving babies 50 calibre guns to play with. That's just me.

[Jayke]

You know Bob, the buddhists dwelt on that exact same issue, in the book Skydancer (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sky-Dancer-Dowman/dp/1559390654) by Keith Dowman for instance (an english translation of a historical tibetan text) they discuss the idea of black vs white magic, they say the vajra path is too intense for any one person to hold, keeping it to themselves for their own personal power causes the whole town to darken as light is stolen from the community and the black magician ends up burning himself up. The lightning is supposed to be shared and spread out throughout the community, so all the candles can be lit and all people can live by the light...similar notions are found in grail alchemy in the western traditions...'the purpose of the grail is to give it away' as they say.

The problem of course is a question of character development and what people choose to do with that power once you give it to them, in the age of the kali yuga that problem was an issue...are we still in the kali yuga now though or are we moving into something more noble? We seem to be living in an age where many wisdom traditions are coming forward and sharing their knowledge with the world...the babies seem to be maturing...and going off the yuga cycles it'll probably be another several thousand years before the gods of the future world self destruct in another atlantean style war of destruction...pandoras box has already been opened, no use sticking your head in the sand to see what breezes by, let the babies shake their rattle, its time for a change in the guard, let some fresh eyes be the steward, put an end to the cynicism.

[Bob]

Now you got my attention Jayke - I don't disagree one bit with your above post. Nor the Buddhist quagmire walking the path. I have met the leaders in the field personally, and asked some of those questions. Character development. And motivation comes to mind. Steward yes. A steward in my mind has 'been there done that'.. call it an elder, one whom the 'tribe' recognizes as having had and willing to share the wisdom with the tribe. (been there done that).. The discussion to find elder status is interesting. No question on that. No sticking head in sand, just pointing out don't let the kids have the 50 cal and say 'have fun, tell me what you learned' after nuking reality..

[Jayke]

I guess I'm still unclear as to which part of our mystical DNA and how to use it you consider to be the 50cal weapon...

Your definition of phase conjugation didn't seem to take into account the ability to structure the infolded EM Whittaker waves, the longitudinal scalar waves that can affect coupled harmonic responses and resonances throughout the body--or even throughout the world. no ones doubting that if you mess around with technology to structure that information field in negative ways their can be dangerous repercussions. But this thread is about how to use the organic technology of DNA as the tool for structuring subquantum layers of energy, for use in such positive things as instant healing, alchemy, character development, metamorphosis, enlightenment etc

I've been practicing Various kinds of internal alchemy, zen/Tibetan Buddhism for 20 years, I've become adept at sensing and harnessing bioenergy, but with that experience I also know how difficult it is to harness those energy fields in a disciplined manner. the majority of people give up harnessing that internal energy before they ever make any real progress with the meditation techniques...and as such the chances they'll reach a point where they become a weapon--ready to spontaneously combust and wipe out the world with all their pent up energy--is infinitesimally slim.

The way I personally identify the wise elders to follow is by their rhetoric. Rhetoric as Plato described it was the ability to explain the true nature of things. A definition identical to that of the Buddha as he taught the dharma.

Rhetoric gets its power from being able to explain things clearly and openly, without bias and overcharged emotions tainting the message, it's about ethics of communication as well as ethics of character.

As one of my mentors and personal elders explains "things are revealed when the thought behind them is clear and true. Those who promise 'revelations' always seem to be holding something back; usually it is ignorance". it's the holding back while alluding to greater wisdom (that never gets shared) that creates a cult mentality. At least with Dan Winter you can find most of his talks online for free, thus one can exercise discernment while watching his videos and slice the true from the false, to find gems of insight that stimulate further research, study and verification for oneself.