The 'Alice in Wonderland' syndrome

[6pounder]

hello everyone!
long time passed since my last post or comment.
i miss you all and wish i could find more time to visit here.

this post is about the alice in wonderland syndrom.
here is a link to what is it from a scientific point of view
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_syndrome

so a friend of mine desided to share with me that he have this neural condition that science calls alice in wonderland syndrom. and so he says that sometimes he is being draged to 3 different worlds. one is a "shadow world" where his interaction with the inviorment is like anything he touch dissintegrats. and the surrounding does not have any awareness of his existance. also in this world the sun is black and does some weird stuff as he describs it. the second world is not too much special only that its not normal and some things that he cant find the words to explain happen. and the third world is a "glitch world" where he starts always in the same point working towords the same goal unknowingly untill it all fails and then he gets all the memories from all the past times he did it before and then when everything collaps, it resets with all his memories wiped out.

now in all the times he is being draged to those worlds he gets stuck there sometimes for years to the point where he is absolutly sure that these worlds are his reality. and when he wakes up he sometimes thinks that this (our) reality is a dream.

also its important to mention that while he is there everything that happens seems right and not out of the ordinary just as he persives this (our) reality.
what do you guys think? does sciense right about it or is it something spiritual as if he is able to pass to other dimensions or realities and come back?
im curious to know the communities thoughts :D
maybe ill find the answers to open his mind to knew things as he is a very hard to convince type.

[Limor Wolf]

Hi 6pounder, this is not easy to answer. Yes, there are multidimensional worlds one can tap into, but the process may not be pure when integrated with. This is delicate with compassion to us all while we navigate our understanding on how this old world was built, and opt to make our way out of it, the Alice in wonderland was used as well as a labyrinth of the mind, some more can be found with Fritz Springmeier relations to it.

Blessings and all the best ~

Limor

[Baby Steps]

hi,
hope it's ok to give a gut reaction,I am not a psychologist or expert!

Say we are endowed with a little bit of 'God stuff' - the same stuff that generates, runs or percieves the universes. That little piece is holographic, meaning that it is not a component , like a kidney or appendix, rather it is a full version of the whole, but in miniature.

That spark is playing with creating functioning realities. The creation process is a drive we all have. Say your friend has a different functionality or without judgement, an imbalance ,compared to most. He has a greater experience of his childish attempts to create a universe, like a kid making zoo animals from clay, its a rough approximation or early version of this creative process.

but your friend has an over developed ability to remember or experience those realities. they remind me of those repeating dreams that one has, and one generally cannot remember.

we probably all do this, imagine or create, but in those dreams we do not have a recorder running. He does. so rather than lament the lack of perfection in the realities created, as we all do when a dream does not progress as desired, or memory lapses, your friend should be commended for a highly developed ability to record the journey.

[Foxie Loxie]

Hey, 6pounder! Sooo nice to see your beautiful smile once again!! :bigsmile: What weird stuff your friend is experiencing...I have NO clue, but hopefully someone who has had experiences will answer! :flower:

[Noelle]

If you were to take the opinion of William Buhlman or Tom Campbell, both consciousness explorers (via OBEs), the astral world is home to countless realities, most with different sets of rule (i.e., physics), and these realities vibrate at a different frequencies. Campbell calls them virtual realities, streams of digital information. I'm not saying to take their word for it. I'm not sure anyone in our reality knows without a shadow of a doubt what is beyond our physical reality. I could be wrong about that. If I am, please, point me to the person or people who has/have the answers.

You write: "now in all the times he is being draged to those worlds he gets stuck there sometimes for years to the point where he is absolutly sure that these worlds are his reality. and when he wakes up he sometimes thinks that this (our) reality is a dream." I have been pulled or went willingly into these other realities too and have returned to the physical with the same conclusion -- that our physical reality is a dream. I feel like my level of consciousness here is foggy compared to the ultra-lucidity that I have experienced in those other realities.

[mojo]

Hi 6pounder, it's really nice to see you again...

[Kindred]

According to 'Seth' (The Seth Material, Seth Speaks, The Nature of Personal Reality, The Unknown Reality, parts 1 & 2, all by Jane Roberts - ALL Excellent Reads, BTW), there is No Time... and ALL of your 'lives' are happening At The Same Time. What you call your 'life' now, is merely one specific Focus of your Soul/Higher Self, using the body that you know as yours. These other lives are Other Focuses of the Soul/Higher Self, in Other Realities. Alternate Realities are the Basis of "The All That Is".

How interesting that this person is able to 'tune in' on these other aspects of themselves... much like the dream state. It doesn't surprise me that they feel like THIS Life is a 'dream' when their focus is on this Reality... There's an old, little tune that says Exactly That:

Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily merrily, Life is but a Dream.

The Trick is to Know that THIS IS THE DREAM... and that our Consciousness Goes On... FOREVER - with little Adventures along the way.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[6pounder]

thank you loxie and mojo nice to see you too!

what i assume is that my friend is going out of tune or frequency (from him its usually starts with the migraines) and slips with his consciousness to a lower, higher or parallel reality or dimension. then as he describes, he starts to see hallucinations of reality being torn apart. and then he starts to slip. he usually gets so fatigued that he cant hold himself from just loosing consciousness (more as if falling asleep with out control) till he gets back. the worst part is that after he gets back he is usually suffers from a lack of memory from our reality so he needs to play along with whats going on (usually about his name and situation he is in) till he gets it all back together and remembers.

[Foxie Loxie]

What a bizarre set of circumstances your friend has to deal with! Let us know if he finds any answers. :bearhug:

[Spiral]

Let me get this clear, this is whilst he is awake, it's not a sleep / astral thing ?

It sounds like the sorts of things that happen under powerful psychedelic drugs, which makes me wonder if he has some very unusual allergy thing going on ?

There was a young man who lived on a farm near where I once lived who went into a psychotic type state if he ate cheese & beef in the same meal or within hours of each other, it was like his personality dissolved & he didn't recognise his surroundings.

It wouldn't surprise me if your friend was the victim of some experiment either.

[Bob]

Let me get this clear, this is whilst he is awake, it's not a sleep / astral thing ?

It sounds like the sorts of things that happen under powerful psychedelic drugs, which makes me wonder if he has some very unusual allergy thing going on ?

There was a young man who lived on a farm near where I once lived who went into a psychotic type state if he ate cheese & beef in the same meal or within hours of each other, it was like his personality dissolved & he didn't recognise his surroundings.

It wouldn't surprise me if your friend was the victim of some experiment either.

I'll concur on the observations.. One could even suggest "EM attack" and go off on that tangent, where most likely allergy. A tumor comes to mind also (maybe glioblastoma, (something John McCain has), which can lead to emotional instability, or worse, symptoms of "insanity" - link (https://books.google.com/books?id=PVbzDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=insanity+and+glioblastoma&source=bl&ots=CEY3rhHTnl&sig=N_y_sqQ-DaUiWz9G7VGklpDWlLQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijzNi7nb7VAhXGNhoKHUriDWUQ6AEIPjAB#v=onepage&q=insanity%20and%20glioblastoma&f=false)

I'd say the best thing to try is a brain scan/MRI to see if there is a tumor, and/or see what the diet has been, and if there are black molds in his environment. One can have a lung infection or worse (nervous system, brainstem or brain infection) from Aspergillus mold and such symptoms could very well appear. Black mold is nothing to ignore if it's present in one's environment.

(Re-reading the OP, with the "hard to convince type", that could be due to toxic reaction to Aspergillus, or a latent Aspergillus infection internally, in the book reference I cited in the link above, such behavior is common with the glioblastoma tumor too. I'd consider the "obvious" more-so than going off into for instance "being attacked by EM from the CIA" :) or other more esoteric explanations - try for the obvious first. Allergy food or mold toxicity, tumor potential..)

My sympathies for your friend.

[6pounder]

When it starts it comes with a massive head ache (he did an MRI scan and the doctors didnt find any tumors) that also make him exhusted and he falls to sleep. This is when he is in another world (never in a wake state) but the "hullusinations" start right after the head ache. My friend dont use drugs nor smoke or drinks alchole oftenly. But ill let him read this thread again and he may find here some information that he never yhought about befor.

[Loren]

Reminds me of the Carlos Castaneda books " A Separate Reality "

[DNA]

hello everyone!
long time passed since my last post or comment.
i miss you all and wish i could find more time to visit here.

this post is about the alice in wonderland syndrom.
here is a link to what is it from a scientific point of view
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_syndrome

so a friend of mine desided to share with me that he have this neural condition that science calls alice in wonderland syndrom. and so he says that sometimes he is being draged to 3 different worlds. one is a "shadow world" where his interaction with the inviorment is like anything he touch dissintegrats. and the surrounding does not have any awareness of his existance. also in this world the sun is black and does some weird stuff as he describs it. the second world is not too much special only that its not normal and some things that he cant find the words to explain happen. and the third world is a "glitch world" where he starts always in the same point working towords the same goal unknowingly untill it all fails and then he gets all the memories from all the past times he did it before and then when everything collaps, it resets with all his memories wiped out.

now in all the times he is being draged to those worlds he gets stuck there sometimes for years to the point where he is absolutly sure that these worlds are his reality. and when he wakes up he sometimes thinks that this (our) reality is a dream.

also its important to mention that while he is there everything that happens seems right and not out of the ordinary just as he persives this (our) reality.
what do you guys think? does sciense right about it or is it something spiritual as if he is able to pass to other dimensions or realities and come back?
im curious to know the communities thoughts :D
maybe ill find the answers to open his mind to knew things as he is a very hard to convince type.


It's all about the details for myself.
It would help if your friend provided his story as written by himself and or provided a video of his retelling of the story.
I do believe that we at this current juncture of existence have no idea how reality really operates.
Pet theories and outlandish opinions based on quantum mechanical math are all nice, but an explanation should be accompanied by some degree of ability in exerting or demonstrating what is being speculated on.
As for now I regard Science in the same manner I regard Religion in so far as being able to demonstrate a truly functional grasp on reality.
Both are more limiting in their descriptions than correct in my opinion.



According to 'Seth' (The Seth Material, Seth Speaks, The Nature of Personal Reality, The Unknown Reality, parts 1 & 2, all by Jane Roberts - ALL Excellent Reads, BTW), there is No Time... and ALL of your 'lives' are happening At The Same Time. What you call your 'life' now, is merely one specific Focus of your Soul/Higher Self, using the body that you know as yours. These other lives are Other Focuses of the Soul/Higher Self, in Other Realities. Alternate Realities are the Basis of "The All That Is".


I'm with you Kindred.
Jane Roberts and her Seth material have given me the greatest hand hold on understanding reality.

[Jayke]

There is correlation with your friends experience to what's discussed in the mystery traditions, even the idea of the 3 worlds (underworld, current world and overworld) are common themes in ancient Egypt, Greece, Vedas etc

Your friend seems to be experiencing something akin to William Blakes fourfold vision:


the emphasis isn't on what Blake opposed, but what he championed & celebrated in both poetry & art. That is, a vision of life & existence in Eternity, which is everyday & lies all around us, if we could but see & experience it.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Books/Blakes-Fourfold-Vision-Harold-Clarke-Goddard/0875740863

First level of vision is very materialistic (a chair is a chair, a tree is a tree, a bench is a bench) vision at this level is cold, mechanical and devoid of deeper meaning.

Second vision level sees deeper symbolic meaning in an item...a chair is no longer just a chair, it also becomes a symbol of support and comfort, a sanctuary to take respite from the material world, a place for dreaming and recharging the batteries. Now the chair takes on an element or two of deeper meaning.

Third level - the internal symbols take on a life of their own, the symbol of comfort becomes personified as a character within the movie script of the mind. Concepts are infused with yang energy and are brought to life. A chair is no longer just a chair or a symbol of comfort, a chair is now a gift from Aphrodite, a component of her loving and nurturing energy, bestowing energy from the heavens to rejuvenate and enliven. You no longer sit on a chair, you sit on aphrodites lap as she whispers sweet lullabies into your ears. The chair--no longer an object--no longer just meaningful--it's now enfused with life, poetry and art, an expression of the gods as they play out their roles and agendas in the movement of the heavens.

Fourth level vision becomes direct experiencing of these heavenly hierarchies and other worlds. Blake described his visions as appearing more real than reality itself. At this divine level of witnessing, the inner illumination becomes the primary reality and the material world becomes maya (the illusion). You walk the halls of the gods in vivid, visceral technicolor--the world of maya becomes a grim, foreboding, lifeless and fuzzy illusion in comparison.

There's a long tradition of trying to access these other worlds; from the Egyptians trying to gain access to the Amduat, to the gnostics trying to escape the demiurge, the sufis talk of a world of supreme variety and wonder known as 'hurqalya' (the imaginal world), theres a tradition within operative freemasonry known as 'the language of the birds' (conversing with angels in these extrasensory realms), and the celts have their traditions of the fae and the world of the fairies. It's all an experience of blakes fourth fold vision.

What your friend could be experiencing might be a glitch in his own neurocognitive abilities to enter into these otherworlds, getting stuck at certain frequencies within the harmonies of the spheres. Or heaven forbid some kind of stroke similar to that as described by Jill Bolt Taylor in her Ted talk 'stroke of insight'...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU

Some resources for further study on the more spiritual aspects of the topic:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Harmonies-Heaven-Earth-Mysticism-Avant-Garde/dp/0892815000/ref=la_B001H6Q5DC_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1502015183&sr=1-5

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Golden-Thread-Ageless-Western-Traditions/dp/0835608603/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1502015258&sr=1-1&keywords=Joscelyn+godwin+the+golden+thread

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Symbols-Sacred-Science-Rene-Guenon/dp/0900588772/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1502015293&sr=1-1&keywords=rene+guenon+sacred+symbols

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Art-Resurrection-Initiation-Otherworld-ebook/dp/B00MQZCOAQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1502015356&sr=1-2&keywords=freddy+silva+lost+art+of+resurrection

[Mister ET]

this post is about the alice in wonderland syndrome.
here is a link to what is it from a scientific point of view
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_syndrome

so a friend of mine desided to share with me that he have this neural condition that science calls alice in wonderland syndrome. and so he says that sometimes he is being draged to 3 different worlds. one is a "shadow world" where his interaction with the inviorment is like anything he touch dissintegrats. and the surrounding does not have any awareness of his existance. also in this world the sun is black and does some weird stuff as he describs it.

This OBE - which is what your friend is experiencing by creating his world with the AWS condition- is the world/realm where collective thought prevails. Because he is not part of that collective agreement, he is not 'seen' or, better put, of the vibration of that realm. He's still an independent thought creator which is the basis for our/his physical existence.



...the second world is not too much special only that its not normal and some things that he cant find the words to explain happen

Yes, a closer but not exact replication of physical reality.


...and the third world is a "glitch world" where he starts always in the same point working towords the same goal unknowingly untill it all fails and then he gets all the memories from all the past times he did it before and then when everything collaps, it resets with all his memories wiped out.

Welcome to physical reality and its severe limitations ("memory" being one of them")


now in all the times he is being draged to those worlds he gets stuck there sometimes for years to the point where he is absolutly sure that these worlds are his reality. and when he wakes up he sometimes thinks that this (our) reality is a dream.

Look again at his steps of enlightenment, he has created through AWS, several differing learning experiences which has brought him to the realization that we, indeed, are living in a physical dream.

Damn creative if you ask me. :clapping: