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Helene West
5th August 2017, 02:35
When JFK was assassinated the american population didn't see anything coming. It was a mental and visceral shock. The taking down of a president was fast, shocking and left the citizenry minds and hearts numb.

The taking down of this president began the moment he won. It has been slow and painful and as opposed to the shock the population endured with JFK in this present case the citizenry has been acclimated to watching pins and needles being stuck into him daily to achieve a bizarre normalcy and acceptance of the takedown. He's not had a chance as the wolves in sheep clothing surrounded him immediately to feign enthusiasm to get nominated into the right positions.

The scenarios for both presidents are 180 degrees opposite but both cruel in their respective ways.

The article below is haunting. It is the most poignant on the Trump drama thus far.

It's echoing the fears I've had since the bs Syria chemical thing. It was so unlike his campaign that I said to myself, here it is - the gun to his head. I had wondered before the syria chem attack if trump truly had any powerful backing?, if he truly had some independence? The syrian affair told me - no. Just in case I was wrong I watched for other signs that he's been disempowered. The Russia Sanctions has verified this for me. Our financial overlords DEMAND a super enemy at the very least if not multiple skirmish wars going on simultaneously. And that's that.

Trump's long time friend Roger Stone insists the generals surrounding trump are isolating him. You decide.

If you hate trump In Toto from soup to nuts forget this post, no detail will matter to you. It's for those who honestly wonder to themselves, "WTF is going on?"


ARTICLE - "ISOLATED TRUMP FLAILS HELPLESSLY, BOWS TO IRRATIONAL POLICIES ON RUSSIA & EUROPE IMPOSED BY CONGRESS" is by James George Jatras from The Strategic Culture Foundation

"President Donald Trump has signed the sanctions bill against Russia, North Korea, and Iran. With the near-unanimous, veto-proof margin by which the so-called «Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act» was passed by both the House and the Senate, Trump was in a lose-lose position.

In the signing statement issued by the White House [5], Trump and his advisers tried to put a brave face on what can only be seen as a humiliating defeat. Despite some cosmetic changes – «– the bill remains seriously flawed – particularly because it encroaches on the executive branch’s authority to negotiate. Congress could not even negotiate a healthcare bill after seven years of talking.

By limiting the Executive’s flexibility, this bill makes it harder for the United States to strike good deals for the American people, and will drive China, Russia, and North Korea much closer together. The Framers of our Constitution put foreign affairs in the hands of the President. This bill will prove the wisdom of that choice.

«Yet despite its problems, I am signing this bill for the sake of national unity. It represents the will of the American people to see Russia take steps to improve relations with the United States. We hope there will be cooperation between our two countries on major global issues so that these sanctions will no longer be necessary». [Emphasis added]
To suggest this absurd, dangerous, and unconstitutional law can be characterized as representing a desire «to see Russia take steps to improve relations» with the US is the opposite of the truth.

The conscious purpose of this law is to make sure that no steps to improve ties can be taken for decades to come. In that, it will be a success. The US Deep State has boxed Trump in, there’s nothing he or anyone else can do about it. Cold War 2 will almost certainly be a fact of life – for many, many years.
Unless we stumble into a Hot War between the US and Russia, which could be of considerably shorter duration...

Trump’s ubiquitous critics slammed his disparagement of the bill even as he signed it [6]. «I built a truly great company worth many billions of dollars», Trump jabbed. «That is a big part of the reason I was elected. As President, I can make far better deals with foreign countries than Congress». True of course. But this is less defiance than helpless flailing at the air. Trump is alone. He knows it, and so does everyone else.
Not only is Congress almost totally united against his foreign policy campaign positions, almost everyone in his own administration is too. Personnel selections in foreign and national security policy are overwhelmingly from the neoconservative and Republican «Never Trump» camp informally led by former losing GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney [7]. Trump loyalists and people who might actually agree with his campaign positions are systematically blackballed. Those getting jobs in the administration are sometimes, to the extent humanly possible, even worse than the Obama appointees they are slowly supplanting. On Russia, anyway, it seems about the only Trumper in his administration is the president himself. Even his cutoff of CIA weapons to al-Qaeda linked jihadists cannot be secure as the «al-Assad has no role in the future governing of Syria» meme returns.

In the end, Moscow has accepted the reality that «US politics have been captured by the Russophobic forces that have been pushing Washington toward the path of confrontation [8]». While pro forma Russia continues to hold out the principle that it still «stands ready to normalize bilateral relations [8] with the United States and cooperate on major international issues... on the basis of equality, mutual respect and a balance of interests», they know the real score. The new law signed by Trump is tantamount to a «full-scale trade war», conceded Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev [9]. «The hope that our relations with the new American administration would improve is finished». Finished.

No one can take seriously the spin from Vice President Mike Pence [10] that the US continues «to believe that if Russia will change its behavior, our relationship can change for the good and improve for the interests in both of our countries and the interest of peace and stability in this region and around the world». Putting aside the air of lecturing an unruly child, «behavior» has nothing to do with it. Moscow could hand Crimea back to Ukraine, escort Kiev’s troops into the Donbass on a red carpet, and hang Bashar al-Assad from a Damascus lamp post, but the sanctions would remain and be progressively tightened. Look how long it took to get rid of Jackson-Vanik far after its ostensible purpose was long since moot.

Note that the Vice President’s comments took place on a tour of Estonia, Montenegro, and Georgia, three countries (one really can’t call Montenegro a «nation») that are totally useless for defending America against Russia or anyone else but constitute part of a «C»-shaped loop around Russia’s western perimeter. Also note that Macedonia may soon also get pulled in [11], stepping up the pressure for Serbia’s and Bosnia-and-Herzegovina’s absorption. Even the mafia-ruled, terror-rife pseudo-state of Kosovo it getting come-hither looks [12].

The more the merrier! Tighten that noose! When all’s said and done, the Russophobic impulse controlling US policy is not about what the Russians have done but who they are: Russia delenda est. Hostility toward Russia is not a means to an end – it is the end.
Meanwhile, American prestige media post literally irrational headlines like «Russia's Military Drills Near NATO Border Raise Fears of Aggression [13]». This refers to circumstances where (1) we pull in «allies» that are useless in defending us but are ideal forward offensive platforms, (2) we string our military bases around Russia, and (3) make a big show of provocative troop, air, and naval movements right on the Russians’ borders and on the edge of their territorial waters, but (4) they’re the provocative and «aggressive» ones for moving troops around on their own territory.

With this bill now signed into law, we presumably will see some Russian response, without the delay of the ill-founded delusion that restraint will be rewarded. But the fact is, when it comes to sanctions ping-pong, Russia is in an inherently weaker position. While western observers often overestimate the damage sanctions do to the Russian economy, there’s very little Russia can do to the US economy. The volume of bilateral trade is too low, the disparity in economic and financial power is just too great, the US role in the world financial system is too pervasive, as is our hold over our subservient satellites, who will likely suffer more damage than Russia.

Perhaps the Europeans will begin to see that the people making policy in Washington are not really their friends, though that would require both courage and wisdom from the likes of Merkel, Macron, and May – not a good bet. So far, it’s just noise [14]:
«European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker warned [15] of potential collateral damage to Europe’s energy market, as the sanctions could inadvertently hit European companies involved with Russia’s energy-export pipelines. One such pipeline, the Nord Stream 2 [JGJ: The EU Commission didn’t worry about their policies’ «collateral damage» to South Stream, when the beneficiaries would have been southern Europe and the Balkans], which aims to carry natural gas from Russia to Germany through the Baltic Sea, involves several European companies [16]. ‘«America First» cannot mean that Europe’s interests come last,’ Juncker said, adding that the Commission would be ready to act ‘within a matter of days’ if their concerns were not addressed».

The irony of course is that it’s not Trump’s «America First» that is responsible but exactly the opposite: the efforts of the US establishment – which the EU loves, and vice versa – to torpedo Trump! But if Trump’s unpopularity in Europe can be used as a means to rally opposition to the US sanctions, it may have some value. Hypocrisy has its uses.
As we move forward into an increasingly dangerous world perhaps Moscow will focus less on striking back against the US than on self-protection: breaking off reliance on the US dollar, refocusing their energy and other vital sectors toward Asia and Eurasian economic integration. If the Europeans are smart (big «if») they will think in that direction themselves.
If so, that would lead to another, supreme irony. An article of faith of western Russophobes is that Moscow’s top goal is to «decouple» the US from Europe. If that ends up happening, to whatever extent, Trump’s enemies may end up accomplishing it for them. Perhaps Trump isn’t the Russian plant – perhaps his domestic opponents are."

WhiteLove
5th August 2017, 07:30
Yes I do think presidents of nations are to a great degree in a very tight position. The concept of segmenting the world into countries and unions was the worst concept ever.

It is now a religion and it is sad to watch. It could be a neutral thing, but because all nations tie into a global financial system that is used as one of the tools regulating everything on a global level beyond the reach of individual nations, the rest pretty much ends up as this fake nationalistically fear driven geopolitical competition drama that has very little to do with how to invest in order to make the world thrive. It doesn't make any sense.

For the world to thrive, the number one focus by far, should be to reach world peace and on that path deconstruct the structures of limitations that are limiting the investment potentials on this planet. A civilization on a planet cannot thrive without real investments into real value. Humans need to realize that in order to effectively evolve and speed up the acceleration of that process, you need to find the collective subjective truth - unconditional love - which is a unique beautiful human type of love with great limitation relative to the greater context out there but relative to where we are now is the portal to aim for. It's about creating peace. Connecting with other civilizations out there in that state of peace is a process of bonding in love and in doing so collectively reaching higher levels of love and higher forms of freedom that are currently beyond our capacity to imagine.

Let's make it that sweet.

One of the reasons why we are so "stuck" with the current structure of limitation, is because it is so highly regarded by so many, it is regarded as something much greater than it truly is. The reason why that is possible, is because humans are being shielded from the truth, they are held unaware of the truth.

No, love is not about patriotism, it's not about nations or any other similar ideas.

Cidersomerset
5th August 2017, 12:08
Info wars were debating this yesterday with several reports throughout the show....

I know Alex gets excited and can exaggerate but the whole crew were on board
yesterday.....https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel/videos


Deep State Is Moving To Remove President Trump

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Published on 4 Aug 2017
The silent coup to have President Trump removed from office is getting louder,
as the Russian investigation impanels a grand jury, and Susan Rice's security
clearance is affirmed by H.R. McMaster.

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Breaking Intel: Trump Completely Isolated Ahead Of Coup

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Published on 4 Aug 2017

Roger Stone joins Alex Jones live via Skype to discuss how the deep state and top
generals in Trump's Administration are working to isolate the President from
intelligence before staging a coup to overthrow him from power.

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A classic time for a coup is when a President is out of town in many countries....
Erdogan in Turkey last year comes to mind....I don't think this will happen yet
if at all , but Trump has to keep his wits about him as the deep state are
gunning for him.


http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.21.24/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

Trump's 17-day holiday causes a stir

read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40829060


Trump starts vacation as Russia probe heats up
https://www.youtube.com/user/CNN/videos
Published on 4 Aug 2017
President Donald Trump departed the White House on Friday for a 17-day working
vacation at his golf club in New Jersey. CNN's Jim Acosta reports.

DNA
5th August 2017, 18:03
I don't know what folks think about reverse speech, but Jeff Rense did this show on Trump and was bothered by how much Trump's reverse speech began to change.
Where as his reverse speech used to indicate some power and control it has changed to despair and resignation, and in one instance he even says "I'm going to miss you" as if he knows on a subconscious level at least that he is going to get assassinated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq4A6AvgkzI
Eq4A6AvgkzI

wnlight
5th August 2017, 19:12
Thank you, Helene West, for posting that article. It succinctly presents what I had been recently thinking. I only disagree with the quote "US politics have been captured by the Russophobic forces ...." The people that have captured Trump are not afraid of Russia. They only put that face on in front of the press - for public consumption. Their hidden goal is the destruction of the American Nation - and perhaps, eventually, all nations. War is acceptable to them because in most wars both sides lose. The people duped by war propaganda on both sides are the losers.

Bubu
5th August 2017, 19:43
Yes,
The good thing however is that more and more people are becoming aware of who the real enemies are.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201707241055810487-eu-response-sanctions-russia/

https://www.rt.com/business/397560-germany-eu-us-sanctions-russia/
Dangerous time for the inhabitants of the earth though

Helene West
5th August 2017, 23:45
Whitelove

I hit the Thanks button for your post but when I went back to reread it I realized I didn't understand what you were trying to say. It has a slightly agenda 21ish feel to it, no nation states, no borders, (and of course what supporters like to downplay - no personal property ownership).

But maybe I'm misinterpreting and you're just very idealistic and believe like several others in a 'good globalism'?
I recently read a post by someone on the board who said he was tired of reading about globalists like they're bad! It shows a strange ignoring of the fact that those who created and manage globalism are just about permanently ensconced in the very space for which you'd place your vision of communitarian type good globalism. It's ignoring the history of the methodical stealth takeover of each western country's economy for the benefit of just them, their families and their service workers or front men (largely our politicians and Ceo's of corporations, etc.).

Did you know that a century ago hardly any western country had an income tax? Now we pay almost a third of our very hard earned salaries as homage to these one-percenters. These are the people you will have to overcome to get your vision of a borderless, garden of kumbaya eden. How would you do that? The fantasy of what could be is nice but you have to identify and deal with what is to get it.

In rereading you sound happy to hear trump may be taken out but I see it somewhat as a reflection of our own hostage situation.

RedSun88
6th August 2017, 01:09
I find it surprising that people are still buying into any narrative in which modern politicians have real autonomy or independence.

To me, the notion that Trump is an 'outsider' trying to 'drain the swamp' is a blatant ploy to subvert the tide of awakened citizenry. He is, primarily, a straw man, waiting to be shot down as we march inexorably towards a global totalitarian trans-human nightmare.


edit: split paragraph

Helene West
6th August 2017, 01:32
I find it surprising that people are still buying into any narrative in which modern politicians have real autonomy or independence.

To me, the notion that Trump is an 'outsider' trying to 'drain the swamp' is a blatant ploy to subvert the tide of awakened citizenry. He is, primarily, a straw man, waiting to be shot down as we march inexorably towards a global totalitarian trans-human nightmare.


edit: split paragraph

But why bother with a straw man? What did the ruling class need a straw man for? why not continue with an obama or romney or clinton, who not only wouldn't put up a whimper to globalist agenda, but embrace it?

I don't understand the straw man argument. Unless - and this is a really horrible thought - that after they take him down, they then use the same mechanics to invalidate, scapegoat, depersonalize, etc. the constituency that voted for him. The merciless invictive towards him perhaps was never really about him? It's about the american/constitutional values of his constituency.

lunaflare
6th August 2017, 02:15
Even as a presidential candidate, President Trump was ridiculed.
He was not respected nor given credibility from media outlets (mainstream/alternative).
Why is this so?
Why is there such blatant disrespect in a world where even a slight comment can get you fired or fined or gaoled (for being racist or anti-Semitic)
President Trump is an effigy; a scapegoat; He has come to represent all that is not "great" about America.
Perhaps John Perkins was allowed to tell his story as it, in essence, helped demonize a country that was actually founded upon spiritual principles of self-sovereignty (rather than dependence upon government).
Presidents are assassinated to cripple the psyche of a country.
The slow insidious poisoning of Donald Trump is done via the media; it programmes our minds.
The relentless negativity is not empowering
It is highly divisive
It serves to cripple a nation and wipe out cultural "diversity" that it (erroneously) claims to maintain

Justplain
6th August 2017, 23:39
I believe that if Mr. Trump wants to succeed in his first term, he should modestly return to the promises he made to get elected. He should continue to extracate the USA from bad trade deals, he should promote policies that empower the middle class (who actually are the ones who drive innovation in the economy, not the rich 1%ers), etc. It might be constructive if he actually tried to 'drain the swamp'.

Trump should try something intelligent, like trying to balance the budget. And if he cant close the Fed, atleast make it subject to an annual audit. And in an ultimate act of patriotism, perhaps he should stop appointing retired military generals and wall street cronies to his cabinet and search for those who are more representative of the people's best interests. How's about not following the foreign policies as laid out by the corporate fascist council on foreign relations, too?

If Trump at least followed through on some of his campaign promises, perhaps he wouldnt be so isolated. But for now he hasnt and therefore he is.

onawah
7th August 2017, 01:51
I think the Clinton's crimes had caught up to them and it was taking too much work to keep their cover from being completely blown.
(Thanks to Wikileaks, for the most part.)
So there was even more division in the ranks of the controllers and the side that won was the one that did not have quite as much dirty laundry.
He made lots of promises, but of course, politicians all do that.
Nothing unusual there.
Whether he actually thought he could deliver, and whether his controllers will actually let him deliver, is another matter.

DNA
7th August 2017, 02:13
For folks who think that Trump was elected by the "elite" you are wrong.
Trump was not supposed to win.
The election was rigged for Hillary and she was supposed to steal this election just like she stole the Democratic nomination from Bernie Sanders.
Trump is being fought at every corner not only by recognized political opponents but by folks who are supposed to be of the same party and political allies.
I'm no Republican, but Trump is the only president I've ever been proud of and who has inspired hope in me.
The Democratic party is a travesty and the obvious hand the elite wished to use in order to fulfill their globalist agendas.
We are heading for an Orwellian dystopia engineered by the globalists and the only one standing in their way right now is President Trump.

Helene West
7th August 2017, 02:29
Justplain - It's your choice to not have read the article in the OP which you obviously didn't, that's fine. But your post is written like you didn't even notice the title of the thread, as if you believe trump is totally in charge of everything but he's just some schm*ck going back on his word.. really? that's what's going on???

I'm questioning whether he has been just about neutralized, I'm hoping and praying not, but he is now surrounded by military men who appear to be making a lot of the decisions. No sooner does this new military guy come on the scene and trump goes on a two week vacation which I wonder if it was forced. Get him out of the way while this general takes charge of the white house. you haven't noticed that he's tried to get things passed and people appointed and is just screwed at every turn? There is so much weirdness going on and to distill it all down to 'he should just make good on his promises...' huh???

onawah
7th August 2017, 02:41
In your opinion, DNA. I don't think we will actually know for some time yet what is really going on, imho.

For folks who think that Trump was elected by the "elite" you are wrong.
Trump was not supposed to win.
The election was rigged for Hillary and she was supposed to steal this election just like she stole the Democratic nomination from Bernie Sanders.
Trump is being fought at every corner not only by recognized political opponents but by folks who are supposed to be of the same party and political allies.
I'm no Republican, but Trump is the only president I've ever been proud of and who has inspired hope in me.
The Democratic party is a travesty and the obvious hand the elite wished to use in order to fulfill their globalist agendas.
We are heading for an Orwellian dystopia engineered by the globalists and the only one standing in their way right now is President Trump.

I don't think Trump was "elected by the elite", but I don't think he would ever have been permitted to run if the elite weren't allowing it.
Sanders would probably have been elected if the DNC hadn't stolen the nomination from him, according to the polls.
Then Hillary's campaign just went rapidly down the drain, and I think that was probably allowed to happen too.
I think the Clintons were being taught a lesson for carelessness and getting above themselves.
No question the Democratic party is corrupt, but so is the Republican.
At the core, neither are serving the people.
I think Trump is trying to do some good things, but there is an awful lot of disastrous stuff happening too under his Admin that people aren't paying attention to, and some of that can be laid at his door.
But to think that any POTUS now really holds the reins of power is pretty naive, imho.
They are given some free rein, but there are limits, and those are determined by the controllers.
IMHO.

DNA
7th August 2017, 03:17
Onawah I'm sure the elite love the Clintons. In so far as they are concerned the more wrong you do the better they love you.
More Epstein, more pizzagate.
The level of depravity must be unmatched to be in Washington DC in so far as the elite are concerned.
Polls are faked and there is ample evidence to support that claim.
And in so far as being corrupt I'm of the opinion it was the Republicans who taught the Democrats how to be so corrupt, but that doesn't matter, what matters is which hand the elite want to utilize at the moment and at the moment it is the democratic hand they wish to utilize.
So for that sake I will support most Republican endeavors as we speak.
Especially since Trump is the best and pretty much only hope we have right now.


I see the end game coming, and if Hillary were elected depopulation would have gone full swing and we would probably be in a world war by now.

onawah
7th August 2017, 03:20
Yes, but not if they got caught red-handed too often...

Onawah I'm sure the elite love the Clintons. In so far as they are concerned the more wrong you do the better they love you.
More Epstein, more pizzagate.
The level of depravity must be unmatched to be in Washington DC in so far as the elite are concerned.

Wind
7th August 2017, 03:53
The last time US had a decent POTUS was when JFK was in office and look what happened to his head. The jury's still out in Trump's case, but him winning over the Clinton was absolutely a good thing. So far he hasn't made any severe mistakes when it comes to global issues, but the whole world's eyes are on him. I think it's ironic that people are already calling him the worst president in the history of US when you had people like the Bushes and Clintons running the show, they made even the likes of Nixon look like a choir boy. The only negative thing I have noticed from Trump's rise to power seems to be division amongst people and us vs. them mentality which definitely suits some agendas.

Helene West
7th August 2017, 04:22
I know from my own experience what DNA is saying above that it doesn't matter which party is worse it matters who their fair haired child is Now.

Back in the '80s and '90s I was a feminist and my big fear in life was the evangelical right getting Roe vs Wade overturned. Working class republicans would look you in the eye and tell you Bush was a good Christian! Scary... The left back then was the anti-establishment and the right was the fair haired children of the powerful. They remained in the good graces of the elites until - The Patriot Act. The right was all for it. Once the elites got that passed what did they do? They dropped the naive right like a hot potato. They got what they wanted out of them - support for the legalistic framework for tyrrany in the Patriot Act.

So almost overnight they switched gears and started in with cultural destruction, favoring the left. Almost overnight you started hearing Diversity, diversity, diversity... And here we are... The left at the present are the dupes, the useful idiots of the elites who are allowing every voice of the bizarre and hatefulness towards tradition.

When mueller hires all obama and clinton supporters for his legal staff, impanels a grand jury and keeps it in a jurisdiction with no chance of neutrality such as democratic and black DC, this is not conjecture, the past doesn't matter... the left are the current fair haired children of the elites, it's here and now real...

Justplain
7th August 2017, 20:56
Justplain - It's your choice to not have read the article in the OP which you obviously didn't, that's fine. But your post is written like you didn't even notice the title of the thread, as if you believe trump is totally in charge of everything but he's just some schm*ck going back on his word.. really? that's what's going on???

I'm questioning whether he has been just about neutralized, I'm hoping and praying not, but he is now surrounded by military men who appear to be making a lot of the decisions. No sooner does this new military guy come on the scene and trump goes on a two week vacation which I wonder if it was forced. Get him out of the way while this general takes charge of the white house. you haven't noticed that he's tried to get things passed and people appointed and is just screwed at every turn? There is so much weirdness going on and to distill it all down to 'he should just make good on his promises...' huh???

Helene, i did read some of the opening OP, as much as i could stomach. Whether or not trump is a candidate sanctioned by the deep state matters not to me. He hasnt brought any new approach to politics as usual in DC, as far as i am concerned. I see him increasing the military budget, escalating tensions with traditional american enemies, appointing goldman sachs cronies who preach tax cuts to the wealthy, running an unsustainable budget deficit, fail at replacing a health plan (and if he did it would be worse for the poor), etc.

Trump is no bastion against the deep state. He is more of the same. He divides more than anything. The republicans (bush jr brought us 9/11 and the patriot act and the lehman bros fiasco) are no better than the democrats (clinton brought on the dereg of mortgages that resulted in the lehman bros collapse and obamma brought obamacare and tpp). What americans need to watch for is a rothchild macron type 'peacemaker' pres after trump exits. I doubt politics as usual solves the problem. Possibly a massive 'occupy' type protest that requires a constitutional assembly might have some chance. Otherwise, corporate fascist interests will continue to manipulate the show, imho.

Michelle Marie
7th August 2017, 21:18
Justplain - It's your choice to not have read the article in the OP which you obviously didn't, that's fine. But your post is written like you didn't even notice the title of the thread, as if you believe trump is totally in charge of everything but he's just some schm*ck going back on his word.. really? that's what's going on???

I'm questioning whether he has been just about neutralized, I'm hoping and praying not, but he is now surrounded by military men who appear to be making a lot of the decisions. No sooner does this new military guy come on the scene and trump goes on a two week vacation which I wonder if it was forced. Get him out of the way while this general takes charge of the white house. you haven't noticed that he's tried to get things passed and people appointed and is just screwed at every turn? There is so much weirdness going on and to distill it all down to 'he should just make good on his promises...' huh???

Cloned?

Use of force?

The bullies keep trying to take charge. Each soul shows their true colors now. Let true Divine Justice take command!

Love,
MM

Michelle Marie
7th August 2017, 21:27
Even as a presidential candidate, President Trump was ridiculed.
He was not respected nor given credibility from media outlets (mainstream/alternative).
Why is this so?
Why is there such blatant disrespect in a world where even a slight comment can get you fired or fined or gaoled (for being racist or anti-Semitic)
President Trump is an effigy; a scapegoat; He has come to represent all that is not "great" about America.
Perhaps John Perkins was allowed to tell his story as it, in essence, helped demonize a country that was actually founded upon spiritual principles of self-sovereignty (rather than dependence upon government).
Presidents are assassinated to cripple the psyche of a country.
The slow insidious poisoning of Donald Trump is done via the media; it programmes our minds.
The relentless negativity is not empowering
It is highly divisive
It serves to cripple a nation and wipe out cultural "diversity" that it (erroneously) claims to maintain

Right. And the more we pay attention to their media propaganda and participate in their corrupt systems, the more we give them energy/usurped power.

The new paradigm is here! We have built something new that makes the old obsolete. I sense there will be a radical change in the near future. It can't be "business as usual" any longer.

Avoid the distractions. Listen to what Inelia Benz has to say. Rise above their frequency to a place they no longer exist.

Media will be turned over quickly now. Watch what emerges! It's like a new seed is sprouting.

This is just my inspired intuition. Feel free to comment according to your innermost feelings.

Love,
MM

Helene West
7th August 2017, 22:40
Even as a presidential candidate, President Trump was ridiculed.
He was not respected nor given credibility from media outlets (mainstream/alternative).
Why is this so?
Why is there such blatant disrespect in a world where even a slight comment can get you fired or fined or gaoled (for being racist or anti-Semitic)
President Trump is an effigy; a scapegoat; He has come to represent all that is not "great" about America.
Perhaps John Perkins was allowed to tell his story as it, in essence, helped demonize a country that was actually founded upon spiritual principles of self-sovereignty (rather than dependence upon government).
Presidents are assassinated to cripple the psyche of a country.
The slow insidious poisoning of Donald Trump is done via the media; it programmes our minds.
The relentless negativity is not empowering
It is highly divisive
It serves to cripple a nation and wipe out cultural "diversity" that it (erroneously) claims to maintain

Right. And the more we pay attention to their media propaganda and participate in their corrupt systems, the more we give them energy/usurped power.

The new paradigm is here! We have built something new that makes the old obsolete. I sense there will be a radical change in the near future. It can't be "business as usual" any longer.

Avoid the distractions. Listen to what Inelia Benz has to say. Rise above their frequency to a place they no longer exist.

Media will be turned over quickly now. Watch what emerges! It's like a new seed is sprouting.

This is just my inspired intuition. Feel free to comment according to your innermost feelings.

Love,
MM

hello
Can you give us a brief summary of this new paradigm and whoever Benz is? thanks

Michelle Marie
8th August 2017, 00:51
Even as a presidential candidate, President Trump was ridiculed.
He was not respected nor given credibility from media outlets (mainstream/alternative).
Why is this so?
Why is there such blatant disrespect in a world where even a slight comment can get you fired or fined or gaoled (for being racist or anti-Semitic)
President Trump is an effigy; a scapegoat; He has come to represent all that is not "great" about America.
Perhaps John Perkins was allowed to tell his story as it, in essence, helped demonize a country that was actually founded upon spiritual principles of self-sovereignty (rather than dependence upon government).
Presidents are assassinated to cripple the psyche of a country.
The slow insidious poisoning of Donald Trump is done via the media; it programmes our minds.
The relentless negativity is not empowering
It is highly divisive
It serves to cripple a nation and wipe out cultural "diversity" that it (erroneously) claims to maintain

Right. And the more we pay attention to their media propaganda and participate in their corrupt systems, the more we give them energy/usurped power.

The new paradigm is here! We have built something new that makes the old obsolete. I sense there will be a radical change in the near future. It can't be "business as usual" any longer.

Avoid the distractions. Listen to what Inelia Benz has to say. Rise above their frequency to a place they no longer exist.

Media will be turned over quickly now. Watch what emerges! It's like a new seed is sprouting.

This is just my inspired intuition. Feel free to comment according to your innermost feelings.

Love,
MM

hello
Can you give us a brief summary of this new paradigm and whoever Benz is? thanks

Yes. There is a new thread with a video of Inelia Benz here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99141-Inelia-Benz-update-July-1-2017-The-Event-is-now

New Paradigm, brief summary:
The new paradigm signifies a transformation of consciousness. We are shifting from victim consciousness to creator consciousness. We are centering our awareness in our hearts, practicing truth discernment, activating DNA, and becoming empowered.

My attention is being summoned. I'll write more later.

See Inelia's video. You'll understand more.

I'll be back!

Love,
MM

Helene West
8th August 2017, 01:00
Even as a presidential candidate, President Trump was ridiculed.
He was not respected nor given credibility from media outlets (mainstream/alternative).
Why is this so?
Why is there such blatant disrespect in a world where even a slight comment can get you fired or fined or gaoled (for being racist or anti-Semitic)
President Trump is an effigy; a scapegoat; He has come to represent all that is not "great" about America.
Perhaps John Perkins was allowed to tell his story as it, in essence, helped demonize a country that was actually founded upon spiritual principles of self-sovereignty (rather than dependence upon government).
Presidents are assassinated to cripple the psyche of a country.
The slow insidious poisoning of Donald Trump is done via the media; it programmes our minds.
The relentless negativity is not empowering
It is highly divisive
It serves to cripple a nation and wipe out cultural "diversity" that it (erroneously) claims to maintain

Right. And the more we pay attention to their media propaganda and participate in their corrupt systems, the more we give them energy/usurped power.

The new paradigm is here! We have built something new that makes the old obsolete. I sense there will be a radical change in the near future. It can't be "business as usual" any longer.

Avoid the distractions. Listen to what Inelia Benz has to say. Rise above their frequency to a place they no longer exist.

Media will be turned over quickly now. Watch what emerges! It's like a new seed is sprouting.

This is just my inspired intuition. Feel free to comment according to your innermost feelings.

Love,
MM

hello
Can you give us a brief summary of this new paradigm and whoever Benz is? thanks

Yes. There is a new thread with a video of Inelia Benz here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99141-Inelia-Benz-update-July-1-2017-The-Event-is-now

New Paradigm, brief summary:
The new paradigm signifies a transformation of consciousness. We are shifting from victim consciousness to creator consciousness. We are centering our awareness in our hearts, practicing truth discernment, activating DNA, and becoming empowered.

My attention is being summoned. I'll write more later.

See Inelia's video. You'll understand more.

I'll be back!

Love,
MM

Thanks for the summary, Marie. Not necessary to respond again here as I don't want the main topic going off into metaphysics. Just from the summary I have some thoughts/reactions but if I write about them it will be on the other thread. thx again

Helene West
8th August 2017, 01:25
from Michael Snyder via Zerohedge, today:

Is The Deep State Plotting To Remove President Trump From Office Within The Next 6 Months?
Authored by Michael Snyder via The American Dream blog, [4]


"Is Donald Trump even going to make it to the 2020 election? The rumors that the deep state is planning to make a big move to try to remove President Trump have become a deafening roar, and if they are ultimately successful they are going to unleash a time of chaos and civil unrest unlike anything this nation has ever seen before.
At the outset of this article I want to make it exceedingly clear that I do not know what is going to happen over the next six months. I am simply passing along what is being reported by others. Perhaps everyone is wrong and the deep state will back down in their war against Trump, but I wouldn’t count on it.

Let’s start with what David Stockman is saying. Stockman was a key member of the Reagan administration, and he is convinced that Donald Trump will be out of office “well before August 2018”. In fact, he recently told one audience that he believes “that it could happen by February” [6]…

Ultimately, the hammer of fiscal crisis and a crashing stock market will break any remaining loyalty of the GOP elders as they smell the 2018 elections turning into a replay of the rout of 1974.

And then the Donald will be gone, and well before August 2018, too. I told an audience in Vancouver last Friday that it could happen by February.

The bottom line is that the Swamp is so undrainable that it will end up making mincemeat of Donald Trump….

I don’t know if Stockman knows Pastor Rodney Howard-Browne, because he has issued a very similar warning. Not too long ago, a member of Congress told him that Trump “will be removed suddenly from office” and that there is “nothing we can do to stop it” [7]…
During a sermon he delivered on Sunday, July 23rd at The River at Tampa Bay Church, Pastor Rodney Howard-Browne said his source for the information, a Congressman who has served in the House since 1996, told him there was an active “plot on Capitol Hill to take the president out.”

“I said you mean by impeachment or by indictment – he said no, to take him out, he will be removed suddenly from office,” Pastor Howard-Browne said, ominously adding that the congressman noted: “You can read between the lines.”
Pastor Howard-Browne also claimed the Congressman said: “There’s nothing we can do to stop it.”
If that is accurate, that is a very sobering thing to hear.

Is the deep state really so immensely powerful that there is nothing that a high ranking member of Congress can do to stop them from moving against the president of the United States?

The phrase “coup” is being thrown around a lot these days to describe what is taking place. And I am not just talking about people on the fringes. Just check out the following quote from Rush Limbaugh [8]…
“What we are in the middle of, and what we have been in the middle of essentially since election night and all the days following, is a silent coup.”

“There has been an effort, silent, meaning nobody is actually expressing this desire verbally. Nobody is saying this is what’s going on. But there is a coup underway, being led by the media with accomplices in the Democrat Party and a number of international players, to reject the outcome of the election, to undermine the presidency of Donald Trump, and, if the wish list were realized, to get rid of him.

“That is what we have been living with. That has been the sole purpose of the news business since the day after the election. And in this ensuing period of time, say from early November to now – what is that, nine months? – the American people have had to endure a daily assault of innuendo, allegation, accusation, supposition with literally no evidence whatsoever to support any of the charges that have been made.”

The truth is that the establishment absolutely hates anyone that tries to fight their agenda [9], and having Donald Trump in the White House is their worst nightmare come true. They had been hoping to use the “collusion with Russia” scandal to get him booted out, but that is not moving nearly fast enough for their liking, and so many fear that the deep state may soon resort to even more desperate measures. The following comes from Newsweek [10]…
Right-wing radio personality Alex Jones [11] said Friday that the so-called Deep State is planning to assassinate President Donald Trump.

He and others on the far right have been accusing career government employees in the Deep State, particularily those who work in national security, of conspiring against Trump and his agenda. Far-right internet personality Mike Cernovich joined Jones Friday in predicting a coup against Trump in the next couple of months.
“They’re saying, ‘A month or two we’re going to kill the president, month or two we’re going to remove him,’” Jones said. “This is so sinister.”

Let us pray for President Trump and his family, because he definitely has made a lot of very powerful enemies.
But once they remove Trump, the establishment won’t stop there. In fact, Maxine Waters is already promising to go after Mike Pence [12] once Trump is gone…

While discussing her dream of impeaching the President with the ladies of The View on Friday, host Joy Behar asked Waters, “Do you think Pence will be better than Trump?”

As much as the Congresswoman clearly detests the President, she apparently has an equal level of disdain for the Vice President.
“No, and when we finish with Trump we have to go and get Putin,” Waters said. (She clarified that she meant Pence.)
We are watching a political war unfold, and the deep state fully intends to come out on top.
But what will our nation look like if they are successful?

I don’t know that the establishment has really thought this through. Perhaps they truly believe that things will go back to “normal” once Trump is gone, but others are warning that overturning the will of the American people could result in widespread chaos and violence. For instance, just consider the following words from Michael Savage [13]…
Millions of Americans will revolt if the globalists remove President Trump from office or render him powerless, radio host Michael Savage warned.

Americans could even “resort to mob violence” because they’ll have nothing to lose once they “are finally aware of the fact that they’ve been tricked by their society, and that no matter how hard they work as middle-class people” they have nothing to gain, the Savage Nation host said Friday.

“That is what’s going to happen in this country,” he pointed out. “You have not yet seen mob violence in this country. You’ve seen some mob violence instigated by George Soros’ mobs.”

This is one of the most pivotal moments in American history [9]. If the establishment is able to extinguish the political revolution that Trump has started, we will probably enter an era of tyranny unlike anything we have ever experienced before in this country. But if Trump survives and we can get him some help in D.C. in 2018, we may actually have a shot at moving this nation in a more positive direction.

I am seeing so much apathy among conservatives right now, and I wish more people understood what a critical time this really is. If we do not stand up for what we believe now, we could end up losing everything.

The fate of the United States is literally hanging in the balance, and at this moment it is not clear which way things will ultimately go."

Helene West
8th August 2017, 02:25
Anyone catch the Tweet Storms of Trump today? Below is link with the tweets from article.

Even though I cracked up reading them (especially the comments on zerohedge) it did make me wonder if this sounds like a man who is worried about a grand jury investigation?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-07/kelly-loses-control-vacationing-trump-unleashes-angriest-tweetstorm-yet

Bubu
8th August 2017, 23:54
The fate of the United States is literally hanging in the balance, and at this moment it is not clear which way things will ultimately go."

Yes Helene, But lets not forget that these people is after the world not just america. Americans are action people IMO they will act unto whatever they believe in. What better way is there than to hijack (mislead) this group and use them to barrel your way into conquering the world. More than other races Americans been manipulated and mislead. for most of your soldiers killing other races is just a video game. police abuse/ brutality is normal around the US more than any other places. They lost their heart completely. The world will benefit if your soldiers will have their heart back. I cant think of any other way than to show them the way.