Could Corey Goode and his team be "archontically compromised"?

[Chester]

For those who might be open minded to this possibility...

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/horus-ra/


The aliens as parasites that invade the mind of a human host is also described in the ancient Gnostic writings of the Nag Hammadi Library. (http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html) In this view, the alien forces are called Archons, inorganic beings who act under the power of the Demiurge, sometimes referred to as Ialtobaoth in Gnostic lore.

Many folks consider that the mythical "satan" equates to "The Demiurge" and that it is actually "archontic activity" underlying much of the energy behind "satanic" black magic


Maarit’s interaction with the Horus-Ra consciousness happened only after her confrontation with reptilians and draconians. Maarit explains,


She and her son both have had experiences with the Horus-Ra birdman form and the large snake form. Maarit saw the Horus-Ra energy as snake-like.

Horus-Ra

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see this link -

https://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/corey-goode-intel-update-part-1-aug-2016.html


The two beings I had the greatest interaction with called themselves Ra-Tear-Eir and Ra-Rain-Eir.

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So again note the same hand sign as we find in the following "baphomet" poses featured in this link (BBC NEWS) - http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33682878

example -

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And then we add the various satanic symbol tattoos found all over Corey's current primary marketing manager...

...and then we see what is emerging which parallels what we later look back and find were "warning signs" of what later became cults (and some of those led to serious ends - Jim Jones, Heaven's Gate, etc.)


And when one learns about these mind parasites, one thing that often becomes clear... quite often, the targets of "archontic attention" are unaware of what is actually going on. Again and I emphasize... these parasites exist all and only within the realm of "mind."

I am aware of cases where the targets of archontic activity actually thought they were special beings chosen by "benevolent beings" (angels, or "good" extra dimensional beings) and thus got sucked into playing the role of a "tool" for these parasites. Of course, the result is such that those who become a part of their belief systems and emerging dogma are actually supplying their life force energy to these very mind parasites.

Sadly, in cases such as this, all too often, the target "tools" either do not realize they are being used by archontic forces or think these archontic forces are benevolent.

My conclusion is that it is possible this may be what is going on with the maturing cult featuring Corey Goode.

[Spiral]

Absolutely, the gift of deception & a silver tongue come from one place alone for one purpose alone....

[DNA]

I've spent not a small amount of time in trying to understand the Archon subject and the Horus Ra entity alluded to by Maarit the Scandinavian MILAB abductee.
In short the Archons already have us. They need no rouse or trick. Mankind is tethered by the Archons to the tune of 100% profit.
The Archons putting on a Blue Avian show would be like humans deciding we need to trick cows out of their milk or chickens out of their eggs.
It is just not necessary in my opinion.

[Chester]

The Archons are mind parasites. Parasites constantly feed.

We are the "food supply." How any individual is targeted is (at least in part and perhaps to a great degree) dependent upon their openness to such. That includes lifestyle and behaviors as well. When I met Corey in April of 2015, I met someone who I would believe had high odds of being an "archontic feast." Everything I have seen since suggests to me the feast is continuous... and that it extends to anyone who "opens their mind" to Corey's yarns and energies.

I suggest anyone interested consider beefing up their research on Archons, what they are, what they are about, where they dwell and why.... do so.

[DNA]

The Archons are mind parasites.
So if you have a mind, you have a parasite?
I think that would encompass just about everyone.



Parasites constantly feed.
Indeed, and this is why mankind has been stripped of his multidimensional birthright.


We are the "food supply." How any individual is targeted is (at least in part and perhaps to a great degree) dependent upon their openness to such. That includes lifestyle and behaviors as well. When I met Corey in April of 2015, I met someone who I would believe had high odds of being an "archontic feast." Everything I have seen since suggests to me the feast is continuous... and that it extends to anyone who "opens their mind" to Corey's yarns and energies.
This is false conjecture on your part.
Openness to such is irrelevant because we are all connected.
In truth we all become connected to the Archons around the age we learn to talk.
We begin losing the ability to see angels and ghosts at this time.
It is because our third eye is no longer active due to the archon connection taking place.

[Chester]

The Archons are mind parasites.
So if you have a mind, you have a parasite?
I think that would encompass just about everyone.



Parasites constantly feed.
Indeed, and this is why mankind has been stripped of his multidimensional birthright.


We are the "food supply." How any individual is targeted is (at least in part and perhaps to a great degree) dependent upon their openness to such. That includes lifestyle and behaviors as well. When I met Corey in April of 2015, I met someone who I would believe had high odds of being an "archontic feast." Everything I have seen since suggests to me the feast is continuous... and that it extends to anyone who "opens their mind" to Corey's yarns and energies.
This is false conjecture on your part.
Openness to such is irrelevant because we are all connected.
In truth we all become connected to the Archons around the age we learn to talk.
We begin losing the ability to see angels and ghosts at this time.
It is because our third eye is no longer active due to the archon connection taking place.

Your post seems to suggest things I did not say, DNA. You have a body, does that mean your body gets every disease?

I strongly suggest you get up to speed on Archons.

The reference to "constantly feeding" is meant to counter your implication in your first post that implies the Archons have no need to target folks like Goode and team.

If you do some serious and honest research, you'll discover that Archons feed upon those who are vulnerable and that this occurs in the realm of individual's minds. In addition, research points out how Archons constantly "stir the pot" to generate more loosh and if ever there is an example of this - it is the Corey Goode show.

DNA - it is common knowledge among those who have done their homework in this regard that there are methods available to defend against psychic attacks. And I am pretty certain you know this. So your attempt to make arguments that refute my contention makes no rational sense. I happen to have personal experience with the matter by the way and thankfully was able to acquire the knowledge and skills in fending off Archontic intrusion. I acquired these skills through many of the good folks who are members of this very forum by the way.

[DNA]

Your post seems to suggest things I did not say, DNA. You have a body, does that mean your body gets every disease?

I strongly suggest you get up to speed on Archons.



Think about it: what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellow men. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” Carlos Castaneda Feeling offended is one of the ways we feed the archons. I go through this all the time myself.


And as far as getting up to speed, it could very well be that you and I are at differing perspectives on viewing this.

[Chester]

Your post seems to suggest things I did not say, DNA. You have a body, does that mean your body gets every disease?

I strongly suggest you get up to speed on Archons.



Think about it: what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellow men. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” Carlos Castaneda

Feeling offended is one of the ways we feed the archons. I go through this all the time myself.


And as far as getting up to speed, it could very well be that you and I are at a different perspectives on viewing this.

That is very possibly the case - you are certainly allowed to have (and share) your perspective. But your original post were not your sharing of your opinions, they was presented as fact.

Having said that, I also made the same mistake... so I am now recharacterizing my statements as "opinions" based on my research, the information that has been shared with me by what most of us would call "qualified sources" (Eve Lorgen being one) and my own personal experiences with Archontic attacks.

[DNA]

Your post seems to suggest things I did not say, DNA. You have a body, does that mean your body gets every disease?

I strongly suggest you get up to speed on Archons.



Think about it: what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellow men. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” Carlos Castaneda Feeling offended is one of the ways we feed the archons. I go through this all the time myself.


And as far as getting up to speed, it could very well be that you and I are at a different perspectives on viewing this.

That is very possibly the case - you are certainly allowed to have (and share) your perspective. But your original post were not your sharing of your opinions, they were presented as fact.

Having said that, I also made the same mistake... so I am now recharacterizing my statements as "opinions" based on my research, the information that has been shared with me by what most of us would call "qualified sources" (Eve Lorgen being one) and my own personal experiences with Archontic attacks.

Eve Lorgen is an excellent researcher but in my opinion we are talking about two differing manifestations which have both been wrongly put under the same umbrella as archon.
I'm of the opinion that the being Eve Lorgen is talking about is something akin to the Archon, but slightly different.
The Horus Ra entity in my opinion is a sexual parasite, and this is why it is connected to the base of one's spine.
I believe the Archon parasite attaches at the point we start talking around two.
I believe the Horus Ra entity attaches when we reach puberty.
In my opinion this video showing a portion from the Movie Pan's Labrynth illustrates how this works.
In the movie a table of delicious food is offered and one can escape the monster if only one can ignore the food on the table.
But it is so hard to ignore this food, for it represents sexual pleasure and this is what causes us to lose our connection to our child like energy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8aT9oRp95A
f8aT9oRp95A

[Chester]

This is false conjecture on your part.
Openness to such is irrelevant because we are all connected.
In truth we all become connected to the Archons around the age we learn to talk.
We begin losing the ability to see angels and ghosts at this time.
It is because our third eye is no longer active due to the archon connection taking place.

I must ask you... are you saying that a grounded, well balanced (emotionally), caring of their body, non participant in drug/alcohol behaviors and free of "belief systems which invite Archontic intrusion" and who have a grounded and balanced world view that features sovereignty as opposed to buy in to dogmas is as equally at risk as someone who is an emotional basket case that takes all sorts of drugs/drinking alcohol, and lives a high risk lifestyle (food intake, etc.) and who is willing to believe anything?

This is not the information and advice (to stay away from risky behaviors/belief systems, etc) that comes from experts on the matter - specifically Eve Lorgen but additionally many others who have experience with the Archons, have worked with dozens of individuals who have experienced severe Archontic attention and have their own personal experiences with Arcontic attention.

[ThePythonicCow]

would be like humans deciding we need to trick cows out of their milk
Not all cows are docile: Cows With Guns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI) :).

Sorry ... off topic ... back to you, Sam.

[Chester]

would be like humans deciding we need to trick cows out of their milk
Not all cows are docile: Cows With Guns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI) :).

Sorry ... off topic ... back to you, Sam.

Using this anology, is it not a fact that humans act to produce more milk and better tasting milk?

This is exactly what could be behind the emerging cult. It makes more food and... by targeting the vulnerable, has one of two excellent results - a.) makes more and more milk which is produced by the vulnerable who buy in and b.) produces "the best tasting milk" when someone in a cult wakes up and goes through all the emotions a cult victim experiences when they do wake up.

It is a "no brainer" Archons would love to produce more and more loosh and far more nourishing loosh.

And regarding Eve's work... and Dr. Malanga's work... they have explored the theory that the specific entities (such as Horus-Ra) are in fact minions (just like humans can be) of the Archons. The result is the same. Regardless of "direct attack" or "attack through a third party" the ultimate source may well be the Archons. This is what Eve has shared with me directly by the way. Again, it is a theory and as my OP also demonstrates, my assertion that the Goode cult is Archontically compromised, though there is plenty of evidence to suggest this is the case, it is also a theory.

I use the words "Could" and "may be" in my assertions though I make odds high my assertions may turn out to be seen as "true."

[Chester]

Ohhh and DNA, regarding your post #9... this actually fits into "the possibility of Archon driven cult production" (ie. the "entry point" and resultant "sexaul activation") real nicely though out of discretion, I will refrain from adding more.

PS - Forty Six and Two happens to be one of my favorite TOOL songs.

How synchronistic my OP is suggestive that Goode and cult are nothing but "a tool" - like a loosh farm.

[Spiral]

IMO the most interesting & mysterious aspect to the whole Corey blue avian thing is the "belief" aspect, everyone glosses over this because it's one of those things that the mind thinks it understands because it has a word for, but actually it doesn't, and it's a very difficult thing to get your head around.

This is far from being the first UFO cult, and it won't be the last,..... they all have one thing in common, the demand that you "believe", and I don't mean in a "buy the BS" kind of way, but in a religious way....the various people involved have even used the very term "open up" ....open up to what exactly ?

I don't see any difference between CG & Steven Greer tbh, Greer might take folks out to see "lights in the sky" for real, but it's not enough to do anything but foster "belief".

There is something very odd about human beings and this belief thing, John Mack started to get close & got run down in the street for it.

The double slit experiment is a very simple experiment that shows there really is something very odd & very profound about what we hold to be true, the Global Consciousness Project has gone further & we need to reflect on this in relation to the likes of CG & how they end up getting the promotion they do, there is something very dark moving & shaking things behind the scenes IMHO !

[Foxie Loxie]

Cute, Paul....COWS WITH GUNS!! :ROFL:

[Chester]

to DNA... I was glad to see you come back from sabbatical. I have benefited from many of your posts.

Having said this I also feel compelled to emphasize that I do not own a monopoly on the knowledge about all matters relating to anything "Archontic" and so if in any of my posts I stated anything as if "fact" that is actually just opinion... please understand I meant it as opinion. I sometimes (still) make the mistake in doing this but strive to do my best.

[DNA]

I must ask you... are you saying that a grounded, well balanced (emotionally), caring of their body, non participant in drug/alcohol behaviors and free of "belief systems which invite Archontic intrusion"
Yes, according to the Gnostics we are all connected to Archons.
According to Castaneda of which John Lash quotes quite often from, all of us are connected to Archons.
But, and here in lies a tasty morsel I have discovered along the way.
In respect to The Urantia Book and the Michael Teachings, I have learned, and this is me here, no one else, I have learned that the Archon influence comes in seven flavors.
These seven flavors are often viewed as the seven deadly sins and that sort of thing, but in truth every one has one of these archon control mechanisms.
We tend to choose which one we will get when viewing a potential incarnation.





and who have a grounded and balanced world view that features sovereignty as opposed to buy in to dogmas is as equally at risk as someone who is an emotional basket case that takes all sorts of drugs/drinking alcohol, and lives a high risk lifestyle (food intake, etc.) and who is willing to believe anything?
Everyone is infected.
The behavior folks display is often times a result of the specific flavor of their personal archon.
Everyone is flawed in some way. Everyone.
This is why Psychiatry and the like are so impotent in terms of their applied therapies.


This is not the information and advice (to stay away from risky behaviors/belief systems, etc) that comes from experts on the matter - specifically Eve Lorgen but additionally many others who have experience with the Archons, have worked with dozens of individuals who have experienced severe Archontic attention and have their own personal experiences with Arcontic attention.
Addiction is usually the result of a specific archon flavor, the addiction is the result of archon manuevering.
Everyone is infected with an Archon, only a very few people ever become self aware enough to know this.
Most everyone lives their lives oblivious to the archon who is at the wheel of their emotional needs.


Now can there be multiple parasites involved? On top of one's primary parasite? Now we are into some interesting territory.

[Chester]

Ahhh, DNA, and we are back again to what I have identified as the key difference in my world view to what I can best perceive to be your world view.

Connected is one thing... the degree of exposure to Arcontic attacks is another. And of course we are connected as is all (at least this is one of my primary operational assumptions within my world view)... but as far as infection goes, I do not have in my world view that I am helpless in dealing with Archontic influence whereas... and please correct me if I am mis-interpretting what you are suggesting... it seems you paint the picture (and have done so often throughout this forum) that we are all "fuqued" and there's nothing any individual can do about "unfuquing" themselves.

So please, correct me if I am wrong in my interpretation, but if not, this is what I believe to be the key difference in your world view and my own.

Oh and one important clue about my world view - it depends most specifically upon my answer as to "who/what I am."

[DNA]

It is a "no brainer" Archons would love to produce more and more loosh and far more nourishing loosh.


I'm not a fan of the term Loosh. I understand it was coined by Robert Monroe while he had some type of out of body experience and encountered a parasitic being of course, but I'm not personally that fond of it because it limits the flavor of energy archons are interested in.


In fact Archons come in 7 models and work to create 7 different types of energy from the hosts they are attached to.



And regarding Eve's work... and Dr. Malanga's work... they have explored the theory that the specific entities (such as Horus-Ra) are in fact minions (just like humans can be) of the Archons.
I've not ran into this information before but I agree with it.
I've stated in threads that are five years and older that the Archons participate in a pyramid scheme, where the most powerful beings are at the very top.
Everyone who participates in the Pyramid Scheme loses their personal connection with God and takes on a shadow form, a form that is notable for being the absence of light. This probably because the Demiurge and his Archons are from a Parallel Universe, one that has no light and has much in common with what we regard as black holes.
In my opinion the very top being would be the Demiurge, Yaldaboath.





The result is the same. Regardless of "direct attack" or "attack through a third party" the ultimate source may well be the Archons. This is what Eve has shared with me directly by the way. Again, it is a theory and as my OP also demonstrates, my assertion that the Goode cult is Archontically compromised, though there is plenty of evidence to suggest this is the case, it is also a theory.


Let me just state that all spiritual teachers from what I've seen, eventually become a vessel for archon parasitism. So I can agree with what you are saying in this light.
And yes I absolutely believe that Archon controlled beings will try to steal energy that is again partially taken by the archons they are under the influence of again.
It's like taxes, everytime something is bought and sold taxes are paid on it again and again.
Same deal for when anyone steals energy, there is an archon tax on it.
But in so far as Archons coming up with the whole blue bird show, personally I just think Corey is lying. Plain and simple.
Corey is a fricking liar, and now he is a guru, and now that he is a guru is he a more potent vessel for archonic parasitism? Yes. But I don't think Archons or the like came up with the blue avian story.
This is just my opinion.



I use the words "Could" and "may be" in my assertions though I make odds high my assertions may turn out to be seen as "true."
I feel the same way regardless of the caveats I use to frame my phrases. :)

[DNA]

Ahhh, DNA, and we are back again to what I have identified as the key difference in my world view to what I can best perceive to be your world view.

Connected is one thing... the degree of exposure to Arcontic attacks is another. And of course we are connected as is all (at least this is one of my primary operational assumptions within my world view)... but as far as infection goes, I do not have in my world view that I am helpless in dealing with Archontic influence whereas... and please correct me if I am mis-interpretting what you are suggesting... it seems you paint the picture (and have done so often throughout this forum) that we are all "fuqued" and there's nothing any individual can do about "unfuquing" themselves.

So please, correct me if I am wrong in my interpretation, but if not, this is what I believe to be the key difference in your world view and my own.

Oh and one important clue about my world view - it depends most specifically upon my answer as to "who/what I am."


I laughed my ass off at this post.
I don't mean to make our situation hopeless, but is it any better to falsely frame our situation so as we can make ourselves feel better?
The mystical sides of religions and such usually recommend abstinence. This is because it is usually the only way known to cut off the Horus Ra parasite as you have described that attaches when we reach puberty.
I've talked at length with this to Dawn one of my favorite Avalon posters of all time on this thread here Meditation, and any work with Chi or Prana may invite possession by Jinn (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69395-Meditation-and-any-work-with-Chi-or-Prana-may-invite-possession-by-Jinn) .


Let me phrase this so as to make no mistake in it's interpretation. I'm of the opinion that we are corded permanently though all of our life to a parasitic archon. This being is quite often the voice we hear talking inside of our heads. It is our internal dialogue. Credo Mutwa talked about how the reptillians came and gave us their mind and then we lost our ability to talk to the animals and see spirits.

[onawah]

I think nothing is permanent in this universe, even archonic cording.
Tantra is another way to deal with the problem, the premise of that being that self-denial creates more tension and polarity, while a very conscious practice of living in the body gives us greater freedom as well as energy.
Dawn was one of my favorite Avalonians too. I will have to check out that thread.
I was active on her other thread about the "gut of most disease" which was taking a different approach to similar problems, through conscious eating.
Thanks DNA!


Ahhh, DNA, and we are back again to what I have identified as the key difference in my world view to what I can best perceive to be your world view.

Connected is one thing... the degree of exposure to Arcontic attacks is another. And of course we are connected as is all (at least this is one of my primary operational assumptions within my world view)... but as far as infection goes, I do not have in my world view that I am helpless in dealing with Archontic influence whereas... and please correct me if I am mis-interpretting what you are suggesting... it seems you paint the picture (and have done so often throughout this forum) that we are all "fuqued" and there's nothing any individual can do about "unfuquing" themselves.

So please, correct me if I am wrong in my interpretation, but if not, this is what I believe to be the key difference in your world view and my own.

Oh and one important clue about my world view - it depends most specifically upon my answer as to "who/what I am."


I laughed my ass off at this post.
I don't mean to make our situation hopeless, but is it any better to falsely frame our situation so as we can make ourselves feel better?
The mystical sides of religions and such usually recommend abstinence. This is because it is usually the only way known to cut off the Horus Ra parasite as you have described that attaches when we reach puberty.
I've talked at length with this to Dawn one of my favorite Avalon posters of all time on this thread here Meditation, and any work with Chi or Prana may invite possession by Jinn (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69395-Meditation-and-any-work-with-Chi-or-Prana-may-invite-possession-by-Jinn) .


Let me phrase this so as to make no mistake in it's interpretation. I'm of the opinion that we are corded permanently though all of our life to a parasitic archon. This being is quite often the voice we hear talking inside of our heads. It is our internal dialogue. Credo Mutwa talked about how the reptillians came and gave us their mind and then we lost our ability to talk to the animals and see spirits.

[Rawhide68]

What a lovely thread. I´m going to rewatch Pan´s Labyrinth, and watch Cow´s with Guns, as soon as my brain is overheating trying to understand everything too hard for too long :)
There could be lots of reason´s to why Corey acts as he does, anything from greed to desillution or psychic illness, maybe just playing on peoples "wish to believe" like poster from X-files.

[onawah]

Relevant post here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98734-Richard-Dolan-talks-to-Bill-Ryan-in-depth-Corey-Goode-Andy-Basiago-Bill-Tompkins-MUFON-and-more&p=1171442&viewfull=1#post1171442

A more helpful ( and more compassionate) course of action might be to examine Corey more closely for evidence of mind control.
He seems to be exhibiting many symptoms that are pointing to mind control, and if we could get more scientific about it, it would glean better results, I think, rather than relying on "he said", "she said".
He is the one exhibiting the most apparent symptoms, and if accurate evidence could be obtained, it would be easier to pinpoint similar evidence in individuals like Michael Salla, David Wilcock, etc. who seem to be sliding down the same slippery slope.
Compassionate action such as Richard Dolan has been taking has been effective in helping to defuse the polarity in this situation.
It would be great if his example would be followed.
I am not well versed in the subject of mind control, but I think it's safe to say there are others available who are who might offer their expertise.
I don't think it's really Corey who is really causing all this upheaval, but the puppetmasters who are operating behind the scenes and pulling the strings.
Whether they are operatives, psyops, archons, or whatever.
Punishing the biggest victim of their machinations, which is Corey, is not going to get very good results.
It will take a lot more detachment and letting go of offended feelings to get to the real core of the Corey matter...

[Chester]

I think nothing is permanent in this universe, even archonic cording.


Thank you, glad to know I am not alone.

Even more to this thought is... what do I teach? Meaning by my words and being. Do I tell my kids that they are trapped in a hopeless matrix owned and controlled by Archontic forces... such that they have no actions or resources available to them whereby they could find a way to live where their energetic output (which is what I used the term "loosh" to point to which is understood by those who have understanding of the subject) doesn't feed the desired appetite of these parasites?

So here we found ourselves, once again, DNA where a key component of our world view differs. I make my choice to have solutions available in my world view because even if at the end of the lovely day, that turns out to be wrong, I would far prefer to teach others by my being that life is a challenge, but a challenge which one can find fulfilling instead of hopeless.

[Chester]

And now that this thread has veered way off of its original course, I, once again am striving to bring it back by pointing out that everything I am seeing surrounding the emerging Goode cult shows many symptoms of unrepelled Archontic attention to the point I have concluded Goode and team are Archnitically compromised.

Perhaps they and their followers should seek psychic cleansing.

[Chester]

Relevant post here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98734-Richard-Dolan-talks-to-Bill-Ryan-in-depth-Corey-Goode-Andy-Basiago-Bill-Tompkins-MUFON-and-more&p=1171442&viewfull=1#post1171442

A more helpful ( and more compassionate) course of action might be to examine Corey more closely for evidence of mind control.
He seems to be exhibiting many symptoms that are pointing to mind control, and if we could get more scientific about it, it would glean better results, I think, rather than relying on "he said", "she said".
He is the one exhibiting the most apparent symptoms, and if accurate evidence could be obtained, it would be easier to pinpoint similar evidence in individuals like Michael Salla, David Wilcock, etc. who seem to be sliding down the same slippery slope.
Compassionate action such as Richard Dolan has been taking has been effective in helping to defuse the polarity in this situation.
It would be great if his example would be followed.
I am not well versed in the subject of mind control, but I think it's safe to say there are others available who are who might offer their expertise.
I don't think it's really Corey who is really causing all this upheaval, but the puppetmasters who are operating behind the scenes and pulling the strings.
Whether they are operatives, psyops, archons, or whatever.
Punishing the biggest victim of their machinations, which is Corey, is not going to get very good results.
It will take a lot more detachment and letting go of offended feelings to get to the real core of the Corey matter...

There's only one thing missing here and that is that each of us have personal responsibility. No matter who attempts to puppeteer who, the only one who can prevent that or, once started, cut the chords... is the puppeted. Even when it comes to processes such as psychic cleansing, the cleanser is a facilitator and can sometimes do wonders in a short time, but the individual must do their part or the cleanse won't last. (spoken from experience).

[Chester]

Another thing I see is the "turning the tables" routine... painting Corey as some victim. The fact is Corey is the spiritual leader of the cult. He likely isn't calling the shots ever since Wilcock became his handler, but he is the symbol they all extend from. And he very well could simply come clean and walk away. And if he came clean, the whole charade would all fall apart and crumble to the ground.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Sam.

Space drive technology relies, in general terms, on creating a gradient in the field such that the vehicle continually falls forward - toward a lesser potential it never arrives at (much like falling down an endless hill).

Could these archons use a similar technique to sort of steer a person in a certain direction, without direct contact or control?

'Cording' suggests to me energetics and potentials, not necessarily possession.

[Chester]

The "how" is beyond me. All I can speak about (from experience) is what it is like to be possessed.

So, as DNA suggests... if what could "possess" someone, (using my own experience as an example) could be an "interdimensional being" that isn't "an Archon" but that perhaps "it" is in fact being controlled by "archontic forces" of some kind or another.

So what I am trying to say and perhaps should have said first is that I use words as pointers and I strive not to get bogged down in details because that is what I have found can divide us such that we never come close to the truth.

So going back to the premise of "Archons" and considering the ancient gnostic texts which present these "beings" what is known as "Archons" today is what has been popularized by folks like John Lash Lamb who, some believe, is as archontically compromised as they come!

The point being that I have become less detail oriented and more concerned with the bigger picture. To me, the biggest picture (or should I say dilemma) is, after answering the question, "who/what am I" is a very important question - "can my own will be taken over by the will of another" (cording implies a form of influence where something must be severed to remove the influence) and then finally, "can I break that "cord" or am I helpless in being able to do so?"

I have found several folks through my experience with PA and a few other forums where there is a great deal of difference of opinion about elements within the subject "Archons" and sometimes about the overall subject as a whole. If I recall, for example, observer. My discussions with observer left me concluding that his opinion was that the entire material realm was "Archon created" and thus (metaphorically), "hell."

I have a completely different view about the material realm. I see it as a challenge which allows one to choose between matters that may appear important to the "self" of this one life or what may appear more important to "the individuated self" but an individuation of being which is anchored in the concept of an eternal "spirit being."

I met one individual here at PA who is no longer a member that defines "individuated spirit" differently than "soul" where his view is that the soul is actually a prison for a "spirit being" created by the evil Archons.

There are just too many different themes involving the mythical "Archons" but one thing seems universally agreed upon and that is that Archons behave as mind parasites.

One of my theories as to how we could get rid of Archons (or force their transformation) is to only feed them the energetic outputs of love. They either starve to death because they can't stand the taste or... they "eat" love. And if the axiom, "you are what you eat" has any truth to it, Archons would transform into loving beings and all would work out lovely and Sophia would be redeemed.

Again I must emphasize... all I write is metaphor pointing to that which the usage of words may not suffice.

[Rawhide68]

To Sam



The point being that I have become less detail oriented and more concerned with the bigger picture. To me, the biggest picture (or should I say dilemma) is, after answering the question, "who/what am I" is a very important question - "can my own will be taken over by the will of another" (cording implies a form of influence where something must be severed to remove the influence) and then finally, "can I break that "cord" or am I helpless in being able to do so?"nal "spirit being."

I met one individual here at PA who is no longer a member that defines "individuated spirit" differently than "soul" where his view is that the soul is actually a prison for a "spirit being" created by the evil Archons.


I feel your frustration, your not alone!
What you say is important "less detail oriented and more concerned with the bigger picture. " thats me!
And you cannot be taken over by the archon´s just to ponder over their existance" it will feel better soon pat pat !

Love :heart:

[Innocent Warrior]

Hi Sam, you wrote -


Many folks consider that the mythical "satan" equates to "The Demiurge" and that it is actually "archontic activity" underlying much of the energy behind "satanic" black magic

Not from what I've seen. From what I've read about archons (I haven't seen any that I'm aware of) their appearance is like ETs; greys (embryonic) and reptillians. In my experience, demons can appear however they wish, they can appear as other beings and inanimate objects, they most often appear as humans, but their true form appears as a far more monstrous Satanic looking being, not at all ET alien-like.

I've also seen a being in possession of a person, that was definitely a demon. It threatened me when I saw its face instead of the person's, it very clearly communicated to me that it would use the person to harm me, that the person would have superhuman strength and if I told the person about the demon I'd be toast, right there and then. The fact that I'd seen its true form was a given in this energetic communication, there was no denying what it was for the demon and I didn't sense any other alien energy behind it, FWIW.

So, no, I don't think archons when I see Satanic imagery, I see red flags that indicate that the budding Blue Avian cult may be serving a Satanic agneda, red flags, nothing more with the little information that's available so far.

[Chester]

Try doing a Google search and you will see all sorts of comparisons between the Demiurge and Satan... again, we are not being literal here, it is metaphorical

Here's a few examples just in this one link:

The Demiurge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge)


"Samael" literally means "Blind God" or "God of the Blind" in Aramaic (Syriac sæmʻa-ʼel). This being is considered not only blind, or ignorant of its own origins, but may in addition be evil; its name is also found in Judaica as the Angel of Death and in Christian demonology. This leads to a further comparison with Satan.


Catharism apparently inherited their idea of Satan as the creator of the evil world from Gnosticism. Quispel writes,

There is a direct link between ancient Gnosticism and Catharism. The Cathars held that the creator of the world, Satanael, had usurped the name of God, but that he had subsequently been unmasked and told that he was not really God.

Here's more -

Gnosticism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism)

Demiurge


Other names or identifications are Ahriman, El, Satan, and Yahweh.

and another

Satan as the Gnostic god of this world (http://www.near-death.com/science/research/satan.html)


The Christian Gnostics believed in a very different version of the origins of humanity and divinity compared to orthodox Christianity and Judaism. The Gnostics believed the God of the Old Testament, Yahweh, was more of a Satan-like figure than a benevolent God. The following is the Gnostic view of the Old Testament God:

The Gnostics believed an evil deity created the fallen material world - a realm they considered to be one of the lowest "heavens" in the hierarchy of heavens. For this reason, Gnostics believed the flesh and the material world was evil. They believed this evil creator, called the "Demiurge," was the "god" of this world who rules and controls the material universe. The Gnostics believed this god was ignorant of the true God of heaven - the creator of the spirit realms. According to Gnostic theology, the Demiurge was the one who trapped souls into flesh at the beginning. Adam and Eve were created in a paradise by the Demiurge so they can praise and worship this god. When Adam and Eve disobeyed the Demiurge by becoming knowledgeable of good and evil, the Demiurge became infuriated and chased the first human couple out of paradise and threatened their descendants.

The Gnostics viewed the Demiurge as evil because of his bloodthirsty, jealous, wrathful and vengeance personality. The Gnostics rejected the Demiurge because of his declaration that he alone was God, "I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God"; and his demand that all humanity to worship only him. The Gnostics believed the Hebrew God was a tribal deity who demanded Jesus be killed partly because of Jesus' teachings that we are gods - the mystery of God within man. The Demiurge regretted creating humanity and, in his wrath, drowned humanity in a great flood. Later, the Demiurge attempted to enslave humanity through strict laws including human and animal sacrifices. The Demiurge declared he would reward people who worshipped him by sacrificing their material gains. The Demiurge demanded that people fear him and when they did not, he would destroy multitudes of people for it. The Gnostics believed Jesus came to free people from the slavery of the Demiurge and reveal the nature of the true God of the spiritual realm by teaching the hidden mysteries of the true God to his disciples - mysteries which included how humans can escape from the cycle of birth and rebirth.



and another from here (http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd2-1-13.htm)


Then the Demiurgos was filled with rage and envy; and fixing his jealous eye on the abyss of matter, his looks envenomed with passion were suddenly reflected as in a mirror; the reflection became animate, and there arose out of the abyss Satan, serpent, Ophiomorphos — ‘the embodiment of envy and cunning. He is the union of all that is most base in matter, with the hate, envy, and craft of a spiritual intelligence.’ ” This is the exoteric rendering of the Gnostics, and the allegory, though a sectarian version, is suggestive, and seems true to life. It is the natural deduction from the dead letter text of chapter iii. of Genesis.

[Chester]

What is an Archon? (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons02.htm)

Level One - Cosmological

In Gnostic cosmology, Archons are a species of inorganic beings that emerged in the solar system prior to the formation of the earth.

They are cyborgs inhabiting the planetary system (exclusive of the earth, sun and moon), which is described as a virtual world (stereoma) they construct by imitating the geometric forms emanated from the Pleroma, the realm of the Generators, the Cosmic Gods.

The Archons are a genuine species with their own proper habitat, and may even be considered to be god-like, but they lack intentionality (ennoia: self-directive capacity), and they have a nasty tendency to stray from their boundaries and intrude on the human realm. Archons are said to feel intense envy toward humanity because we possess the intentionality they lack.


Level Two - Noetic-Psychological

In Gnostic psychology, the noetic science of the Mystery Schools, Archons are an alien force that intrudes subliminally upon the human mind and deviates our intelligence away from its proper and sane applications. [Opinion - If ever there was an example of something like this happening, it would be the emerging cult Goode and team are proliferating.]

They are not what makes us act inhumanely, for we all have the potential to go against our innate humanity, violating the truth in our hearts, but they make us play out inhumane behavior to weird and violent extremes.

Left to our own devices, we would sometimes act inhumanely and then correct it, contain the aberration. Obviously, we do not always do so. In the exaggeration of our insane and inhumane tendencies, and in extreme, uncorrected deviance from our innate intelligence, Gnostics saw the signature of an alien species that piggy-backs on the worst human failings.

Hence, Archons are psycho-spiritual parasites.

Yet as offspring of the Aeon Sophia (see below insert), they are also our cosmic kin.


Level three - Sociological

In the Gnostic view of human society, the Archons are alien forces that act through authoritarian systems, including belief-systems, in ways that cause human beings to turn against their innate potential and violate the symbiosis of nature.

LIVE spelled backwards is EVIL, but the Archons are not evil in the sense that they possess autonomous powers of destruction, able to be applied directly upon humanity.

They are agents of error rather than evil — but human error, when it goes uncorrected and runs beyond the scale of correction, turns into evil and works against the universal plan of life. Gnostics taught that the Archons exploit our tendency to let our mistakes go uncorrected.

Because the Archons need human complicity to gain power over humankind, any one who assists them can be considered a kind of Archon, an accessory. How do humans assist the Archons?

One way (suggested in the Level Two definition) is by accepting the mental programs of the Archons — that is, adopting the alien intelligence as if it were human-based — and implementing those programs by actually enforcing them in society. Another way is by actively or passively conforming to the agendas so proposed and imposed.

[comment by Sam... in the above, it could be seen that there can be measures one can take which would reduce "archontic influence." On the other hand, there ways to increase the likelyhood archontic influence dominates an individual which, in turn, in almost all cases, results in that individual imposing archontically derived intentions upon others. Stirring the pot and generating the energetic "food" so loved by the Arcnontic embibers.]

[Chester]

Any entity can attempt to psychically overtake another. Is that not what is happening with "possession?" So if it appears to one that a "demon" is possessing another, ask what may be going on with that entity that became a demon that would, in turn, possess another.

The theory being (and this is all over the Horus-Ra thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit) by the way) - that behind all this is...

Archons.

[Innocent Warrior]

Yes, there are a lot of similarities between them but I was offering my experience to add to the information by answering the question you posed and offering some insight into how I arrived at my answer. My intention was to help explore the question, not to debate anyone else's views.

For me my experiences are most informative, but I couldn't be any more subjective here, so don't worry about, if it's not helpful then dismiss my post.

[Chester]

Yes, there are a lot of similarities between them but I was offering my experience to add to the information by answering the question you posed and offering some insight into how I arrived at my answer. My intention was to help explore the question, not to debate anyone else's views.

For me my experiences are most informative, but I couldn't be any more subjective here, so don't worry about, if it's not helpful then dismiss my post.

I agree experiences are informative... I had my own and came to incomplete conclusions. Thankfully I discovered the wealth of information in Houman's thread (mentioned above - Horus-Ra, etc.) which led to the information that suggested the likelihood of what was behind it all was... Archons.

At one point in time, I settled into the conclusion of "demonic attention" and then progressed in understanding the rabbit hole went deeper... at least in my case.

[Innocent Warrior]

OK, well I think I misunderstood the point of the thread, I thought you were asking a question and offering your answer but due to the reassertion of the theory it seems more about posing a theory, so when I answered the question it was more like opposing the theory, sorry about that, Sam. My intent was to share constructively, not to oppose.

[Chester]

OK, well I think I misunderstood the point of the thread, I thought you were asking a question and offering your answer but due to the reassertion of the theory it seems more about posing a theory, so when I answered the question it was more like opposing the theory, sorry about that, Sam.

The thing to consider is that there may be ancient roots behind what is now "all things Satanic" and that these ancient roots (as suggested by various researchers, etc.) is that these things are rooted in "Archontic activity" - just check out Houman's thread... its a fantastic resource to research about this.

In fact, it was primarily that thread which led me to so much of the underlying data and thus my theory that the root cause of the Goode cult emergence could be pinned on Archons. Just the OP alone and the articles listed in the OP demonstrate the Horus-Ra entity loves to produce the messianic complex in the mind of those "it" targets.

And that the underlying "energetic force" behind Horus-Ra is... archontic in nature and perhaps literally too. Notice Ra is core to Wilcock's Law of One. Note how Corey posted in 2013 that his take on the Law of One material is that it contained elements of "Luciferianism." Note how the two entities Corey communicates with has Ra in their name and not the behavior of the emerging cult.

Lots of dots connecting.

And even more important is that this theory cannot be disproved just like Corey's claims of benevolence in relation to the blue chickens.

[DNA]

Thank you, glad to know I am not alone.
Even more to this thought is... what do I teach? Meaning by my words and being. Do I tell my kids that they are trapped in a hopeless matrix owned and controlled by Archontic forces...
This falls under the same umbrella as abductions and such, so as for myself I would not mention this stuff to children. There is just no good reason for it.




So here we found ourselves, once again, DNA where a key component of our world view differs. I make my choice to have solutions available in my world view because even if at the end of the lovely day, that turns out to be wrong, I would far prefer to teach others by my being that life is a challenge, but a challenge which one can find fulfilling instead of hopeless.
First off I don't think what I'm saying is that hopeless atleast not my message in full.
I believe that we choose to be here and that as souls we know full well what we are getting into when we incarnate here.
Further more I do not believe in the "soul trap" upon death as some would lead us to believe.
I've spent a lot of time on this specific topic, including hands on experience, I've gone beyond subjective research.
I'm just sharing what I've learned.

[Innocent Warrior]

OK but I'm still sticking with my demons aren't archons thing until I see otherwise. :D

Well, much like you, I haven't come to conclusions on these things and I'm pretty strict about building a picture from first hand experience, rather than others' views, that's not a rejection or invalidation, I just want to see for myself, but I'll check it out, it sounds interesting, I have noticed a universal agenda with the different malevolent beings I've come accross.


And even more important is that this theory cannot be disproved just like Corey's claims of benevolence in relation to the blue chickens.

LOL, true.

[David Trd1]

David has lost his way...

He has been blinded and become a salesman for a technologically enhanced future(this is purely archonic) he almost never speaks of late of what we Humans will evolve to as the codes become switched on but how technology will make our lives better....he speaks and dangles this carrot alot of late. This is NOT the prize and NEVER was.

I feel, when his life was threatened a few years back, he was played, akin to the good cop, bad cop routine..he was ''brought in''after the initial fear played out under the guise of protection and was ''worked on'' with information in a multi layered and strategic deception which has reached its fruition with his support of Corey goode, and his (eventual) discrediting, the splitting of the disclosure community as discussed by Bill, richard dolan, and others recently. He has lost his way.

[Daozen]

Archons may be everywhere, but we can limit our interaction with them to a certain extent.

If you eat junk food, don't exercise, don't control your emotions, ingest too many heavy metals, watch junk tv... you'll end up with a weak body and mind, that will be easier to possess and occupy. You may become easy to pump for fear/loosh/energy/whatever.

If you eat good food, try and detox the body, listen to good music, etc, you can lessen their influence in your life. Can't completely remove it, but minimize it.

If 10 people go into the jungle, some will get sick, others might survive.

So there is a spectrum.

Carlos Castenda said the Flyers (a near synonym for archons) didn't like the energy of discipline:



“But how can they do this, don Juan?” I asked, somehow angered further by what he was saying. “Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are asleep?”

“No, they don’t do it that way. That’s idiotic!” don Juan said, smiling. “They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. “In order to keep us obedient, meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver- stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist; a horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind which becomes our mind. The predators’ mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, and filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now.

“I know that even though you have never suffered hunger,” he went on, “you have food anxiety which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now its maneuver is going to be uncovered, and its food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which after all is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. The predators ensure in this manner a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear.”

“It’s not that I can’t accept all this at face value, don Juan,” I said. “I could, but there’s something so odious about it that it actually repels me. It forces me to take a contradictory stand. “If it’s true that they eat us, how do they do it?”

Don Juan had a broad smile on his face. He was as pleased as punch. He explained that sorcerers see infant human beings as strange, luminous balls of energy covered from the top to the bottom with a glowing coat something like a plastic cover that is adjusted tightly over their cocoon of energy. He said that that glowing coat of awareness was what the predators consumed, and that when a human being reached adulthood, all that was left of that glowing coat of awareness was a narrow fringe that went from the ground to the top of the toes. That fringe permitted mankind to continue living, but only barely. As if I were in a dream, I heard don Juan explaining that, to his knowledge, man was the only species that had the glowing coat of awareness outside that luminous cocoon. Therefore, he became easy prey for an awareness of a different order; such as the heavy awareness of the predator.

He then made the most damaging statement he had made so far. He said that this narrow fringe of awareness was the epicenter of self-reflection where man was irremediably caught. By playing on our self-reflection, which is the only point of awareness left to us, the predators create flares of awareness that they proceed to consume in a ruthless, predatory fashion. They give us inane problems that force those flares of awareness to rise, and in this manner they keep us alive in order for them to be fed with the energetic flare of our pseudo-concerns. There must have been something in what don Juan was saying which was so devastating to me that at that point I actually got sick to my stomach.

After a moment’s pause long enough for me to recover, I asked don Juan, “But why is it that the sorcerers of ancient Mexico and all sorcerers today, although they see the predators, don’t do anything about it?”

“There’s nothing that you and I can do about it,” don Juan said in a grave, sad voice. “All we can do is discipline ourselves to the point where they will not touch us.

“How can you ask your fellow men to go through those rigors of discipline? They’ll laugh and make fun of you; and the more aggressive ones will beat the **** out of you… and not so much because they don’t believe it. Down in the depths of every human being, there is an ancestral, visceral knowledge about the predators’ existence.”

*

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From where I sit: Corey's, David's, Cobra's and all the fake white-hat info out there is focused on dangling carrots to keep people obedient:dog:, meek:dog: and weak:dog:. So, by accident or by design, it fits in with the Archontic plan to keep humans imprisoned.

Looking on the bright side, they sure spend a lot of energy trying to keep us down. Especially on the conspiracy forums.... half the alt media is a high security prison for potential disruptors.

[Chester]

The following post is for those who feel it is worth their time to understand (or further support what they already suspect) what is happening to MUFON and the wider "Alternative Community."

I happened to come across this article -

The Cream Rises to the Top, But So Does the Pond Scum (http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2012/06/20/the_cream_rises_to_the_top_but_so_does_the_pond_scum)

And as I read the article, I could see that by replacing a few words in the article - The Lancet with MUFON, as an example, one can see the underlying challenge we face.

Note that the Lancet is an journal (currently a massive online presence) - read about us (http://www.thelancet.com/about-us).

So please at least skim the article by clicking on the big blue header and then come back to this thread... (to be continued in my next post).

[Chester]

The "modified" article -

Here’s a rather testy letter to the directors of MUFON about some recent presentations being featured at the 2017 MUFON Conference.

This article’s letter is being replaced by a few words of my own which echo the spirit of the letter but which is modified to fit the current UFO research community conundrum –
The “letter” –


This letter is meant to point out that this research gathering organization, MUFON, might demonstrate a lack of discernment as to who are selected as featured presenters where it appears that this lack of discernment is intentionally discarded based on perceived benefits that directly enhance financial success.

“What are directors for?”, asks the letter. This brings up something that we all may have to contend with if the scientific vetting model continues to change and erode. The conference producers themselves make much of their status as gatekeepers, citing their coordination of the vetting process and their in-house vetting. (The counterarguments are that the vetting is being done by those driven by financial needs, and not always very effectively, and that the quality of the in-house vetting varies from “pretty good” to “surely you jest”).

These latest featured speakers are a case in point. What if they are, as the letter writers contend, largely just vehicles for marketing? That sort of thing certainly does happen. Will it happen even more under some new pseudo-scientific vetting system… where “the onus is on the researchers/public to show evidence that such whistleblowers are contriving their claims?” You’d have to think that the marketing folks are wondering the same thing (cha-ching, cha-ching!), but from the standpoint of truthful information rather than fraud.

Marketing, though, would rather have “stage presentations” to point at that are presented by a prestigious organization (such as MUFON), which is one reason that letter is being sent to MUFON. And no matter what sort of “who to feature” model comes along, I don’t think that we’re ever going to get rid of prestige as a factor, human nature being what it is. (And beyond that, having a stratum of recognizably prestigious “pseudo-researchers/organizations/interviewers” does have its uses, although its abuses can outweigh them). It is, in fact, the prestige factor that’s keeping the current system afloat, as far as I can see.

[Chester]

... there was more to the article...

Yet here is where things become tricky… and it is all about the audience.

See, when we look at this particular community we have to consider who makes up the audience. The following is strictly my own opinion and is not based on any scientifically gathered data.

It appears to me that our community features many components but exists because of those of us who have interest in the subject matter… most being nothing more than an audience.

In my examination of the makeup of this audience I see the following two general groups –

Those who simply have interest in the subject matter but have never had an anomalous experience

And those who have had one or more paranormal/anomalous experiences

Within this latter group are the following sub groups –


“answer seekers” to

“truth pseudo knowers” to

“those who have tested the waters of going public but have yet to take those next steps” to

“those who have tried to go public and achieved everything from failure to moderate success” to

“stars who are born, live and in most cases, burn out” to

“the legends whose celebrity never dies.”


When we look at the stats on the Project Avalon forum, we generally see a 10 to 1 ratio of non-members to members browsing the site at any given time.

In my experience, almost every member I have ever come to know has had one or more anomalous experiences (easily a 20 to 1 ratio). Now I cannot assume that this 20 – 1 ratio is accurate but I make odds high that the vast number of members have had one or more paranormal and/or anomalous experiences.

I wonder what the percentage might be with regards to non-members? What is driving their interest?

Now look at the attendees of these events? In almost every case we have folks that fit into the latter group and also in almost every case, these attendees are members (and often participants) of various web portals that focus upon the subject matter much like we find on the Project Avalon forum or who focus more so on one particular genre underneath the umbrella of “the Alternative Community.”

One primary characteristic of almost anyone interested in this subject matter is “open mindedness” especially for those who have had paranormal/anomalous experiences.

I don’t think I am taking a great leap to assume that there is a greater degree of vulnerability in a community which, by its very nature, possess greater open mindedness. In a vast majority of cases these folks have had (and often continue to have) experiences that are unexplained and perhaps unexplainable.

So I cannot use the rest of the article to continue with the analogy because there’s a vast difference in the makeup of the two audiences. One fully "grounded" (which is in danger of being overly skeptical and terribly closed minded) to the wide open minded vulnerables who believe Corey Goode, et al. (as I once did and thus must admit I am one of the vulnerables though I believe less so today).

The bottom line… we, as a community, are, to a greater degree than most others, much more vulnerable and thus much more susceptible to buying into horse dung.

What saddens me the most is that I believe the hosts of these parasites as well as the parasites themselves know this and thus are attracted in part by the ease of effort required to exploit our vulnerability.

[DNA]

Daozen before I continue I would like to say that I'm about to agree with just about everything you have mentioned.
If I add a caveat or two, they are mostly superficial.
For the record I'm a huge fan of Castaneda, I think he speaks the truth, and my personal opinion is that he was in possession of an ancient knowledge with it's roots in ancient Atlantis.



Archons may be everywhere, but we can limit our interaction with them to a certain extent.

If you eat junk food, don't exercise, don't control your emotions, ingest too many heavy metals, watch junk tv... you'll end up with a weak body and mind, that will be easier to possess and occupy. You may become easy to pump for fear/loosh/energy/whatever.


I think there are more than Archons out there taking human energy.
It is my opinion that ghosts feed off of human energy and are quite common in this regard.
I'm of the opinion that some of the things mentioned would help ghosts in feeding on humans more so than Archons, but again this is my personal view.


Carlos Castenda said the Flyers (a near synonym for archons) didn't like the energy of discipline:


“But how can they do this, don Juan?” I asked, somehow angered further by what he was saying. “Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are asleep?”

“No, they don’t do it that way. That’s idiotic!” don Juan said, smiling. “They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. “In order to keep us obedient, meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver- stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist; a horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind which becomes our mind. The predators’ mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, and filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now.

“I know that even though you have never suffered hunger,” he went on, “you have food anxiety which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now its maneuver is going to be uncovered, and its food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which after all is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. The predators ensure in this manner a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear.”

“It’s not that I can’t accept all this at face value, don Juan,” I said. “I could, but there’s something so odious about it that it actually repels me. It forces me to take a contradictory stand. “If it’s true that they eat us, how do they do it?”

Don Juan had a broad smile on his face. He was as pleased as punch. He explained that sorcerers see infant human beings as strange, luminous balls of energy covered from the top to the bottom with a glowing coat something like a plastic cover that is adjusted tightly over their cocoon of energy. He said that that glowing coat of awareness was what the predators consumed, and that when a human being reached adulthood, all that was left of that glowing coat of awareness was a narrow fringe that went from the ground to the top of the toes. That fringe permitted mankind to continue living, but only barely. As if I were in a dream, I heard don Juan explaining that, to his knowledge, man was the only species that had the glowing coat of awareness outside that luminous cocoon. Therefore, he became easy prey for an awareness of a different order; such as the heavy awareness of the predator.

He then made the most damaging statement he had made so far. He said that this narrow fringe of awareness was the epicenter of self-reflection where man was irremediably caught. By playing on our self-reflection, which is the only point of awareness left to us, the predators create flares of awareness that they proceed to consume in a ruthless, predatory fashion. They give us inane problems that force those flares of awareness to rise, and in this manner they keep us alive in order for them to be fed with the energetic flare of our pseudo-concerns. There must have been something in what don Juan was saying which was so devastating to me that at that point I actually got sick to my stomach.

After a moment’s pause long enough for me to recover, I asked don Juan, “But why is it that the sorcerers of ancient Mexico and all sorcerers today, although they see the predators, don’t do anything about it?”

“There’s nothing that you and I can do about it,” don Juan said in a grave, sad voice. “All we can do is discipline ourselves to the point where they will not touch us.

“How can you ask your fellow men to go through those rigors of discipline? They’ll laugh and make fun of you; and the more aggressive ones will beat the **** out of you… and not so much because they don’t believe it. Down in the depths of every human being, there is an ancestral, visceral knowledge about the predators’ existence.”I absolutely agree with this quote from Castaneda.
I'm not sure if folks know the extent of the discipline needed for success.
It would require a life long discipline, and in the absence of a like minded group to coexist with it would require extreme isolation.
We are talking hermit in a cave type isolation.
Again I absolutely agree with Castaneda, I would just like to emphasis how much discipline would be needed for the remotest chance of success.

[Chester]

I'm not sure if folks know the extent of the discipline needed for success.
It would require a life long discipline, and in the absence of a like minded group to coexist with it would require extreme isolation.
We are talking hermit in a cave type isolation.
Again I absolutely agree with Castaneda, I would just like to emphasis how much discipline would be needed for the remotest chance of success.

Hi DNA - I have to ask... are you open that there may be more to one's experience than a single lifetime? I really don't know if you have within your world view the possibility of something like "the soul." I have a response for you but cannot make my response unless I know your answer to my query. Thanks, Sam.

[DNA]

Hi DNA - I have to ask... are you open that there may be more to one's experience than a single lifetime? I really don't know if you have within your world view the possibility of something like "the soul." I have a response for you but cannot make my response unless I know your answer to my query. Thanks, Sam.

I wish you would have phrased the question a little more directly.
"Do you believe in reincarnation?"
To this I would say absolutely.
My world views are heavily influenced by Jane Robert's Seth Material, The Urantia Book, Carlos Castaneda and Edgar Cayce.
In regards to how hard I think it would be to defeat the archon hand hold in this lifetime read my Edgar Cayce quoted signature.
This dovetails quite well with what Castaneda is saying in Daozen's post.


If interested many of my thoughts and experiences on the subject can be found here.
Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21614-Parasitic-Non-Organic-Multidimensional-Beings)

[Chester]

Hi DNA - I have to ask... are you open that there may be more to one's experience than a single lifetime? I really don't know if you have within your world view the possibility of something like "the soul." I have a response for you but cannot make my response unless I know your answer to my query. Thanks, Sam.

I wish you would have phrased the question a little more directly.
"Do you believe in reincarnation?"


I asked the question the way I did because there could be several other considerations besides reincarnation... but anyways, I gather then that you are open to the possibility there be more to an individual's experience than just this one life.

And so then... this suggests your answer to "who" you are is not limited to "you, DNA, DNA's story, this one life of DNA." Good. And so with that in mind, then this suggests you might see yourself as something like maybe, the word "soul" might indicate. And that this one life is just one experience within a larger set of experiences, perhaps you might say, infinite experiences.

In my own world view, which I break down into three levels of being, what some folks call that "soul level" is where my own focus resides and not this one life. Having said that, this is the viewpoint I live by and this is the viewpoint "I teach" (meaning that by the way I live is "my teaching") and because that level of my being is filled with gratitude and optimism and a love for life... I believe the benefit I receive for that as it effects this particular one life is that I am free of from the depression others seems absorbed by which some may attribute to archontic attention.

And so…


I'm not sure if folks know the extent of the discipline needed for success.
It would require a life long discipline, and in the absence of a like minded group to coexist with it would require extreme isolation.
We are talking hermit in a cave type isolation.
Again I absolutely agree with Castaneda, I would just like to emphasis how much discipline would be needed for the remotest chance of success.

And so with regards to the end of your previous post, because I look at “life” as not just this one life and because I consider the “who” that may be faced with experiences such as archontic attention (or anything else challenging) I happen to look at life as the opportunity to face challenges and overcome them.

I don’t see any need to defeat Archons, I see a challenge and opportunity to rise above their influence. So I love life, I love this current lifetime, the challenges, the amazing experiences, sharing the lives of others facing their own challenges, the good, the not so good… the really horrific stuff too only because I have always grown from these experiences and see so many others who grow from facing their own horrors too.

Also and ultimately… in my own world view, is my certainty that I have responsibility for every single thing in my life (and in all my soul’s experiences). And this would include finding myself in the midst of experiencing archontic attention even to the degree where I am at the brink of the death of my soul (note I am speaking metaphorically) as I felt I was in the early months of 2012. And if I could pull out of a trap like I was in back then, so can Corey.

[DNA]

I asked the question the way I did because there could be several other considerations besides reincarnation... but anyways, I gather then that you are open to the possibility there be more to an individual's experience than just this one life.

And so then... this suggests your answer to "who" you are is not limited to "you, DNA, DNA's story, this one life of DNA." Good. And so with that in mind, then this suggests you might see yourself as something like maybe, the word "soul" might indicate. And that this one life is just one experience within a larger set of experiences, perhaps you might say, infinite experiences.
I believe we are a soul with a body, but I don't dwell on other "selfs" or "potentialities".
We are what we are.



In my own world view, which I break down into three levels of being, what some folks call that "soul level" is where my own focus resides and not this one life. Having said that, this is the viewpoint I live by and this is the viewpoint "I teach" (meaning that by the way I live is "my teaching") and because that level of my being is filled with gratitude and optimism and a love for life... I believe the benefit I receive for that as it effects this particular one life is that I am free of from the depression others seems absorbed by which some may attribute to archontic attention.
I don't really get this. Is this some kind of positive affirmation thing?
Have you been hanging out with Tony Robins are something? :sun:
I mean if this works for you then awesome.
I don't see where it pertains though.


And so…


I'm not sure if folks know the extent of the discipline needed for success.
It would require a life long discipline, and in the absence of a like minded group to coexist with it would require extreme isolation.
We are talking hermit in a cave type isolation.
Again I absolutely agree with Castaneda, I would just like to emphasis how much discipline would be needed for the remotest chance of success.

And so with regards to the end of your previous post, because I look at “life” as not just this one life and because I consider the “who” that may be faced with experiences such as archontic attention (or anything else challenging) I happen to look at life as the opportunity to face challenges and overcome them.


Let me simplify something.
An Archon attachment is a single lifetime thing.
In regards to a specific Archon and that Archon flavor it is flavoring your present incarnation.
When you die, you leave that Archon behind, and when you reincarnate, you wear a new but different Archon.
Each Archon comes in a different flavor so to speak giving each of your lifetimes specific hurdles and or difficulties to overcome and or learn to deal with.
Archon attachments are ways of creating more diversified and varied incarnations.
Contrary to what some folks may want to believe, we did not come here to sit in a lotus position and become one with our higher self.
This is the norm when we die.
As such we come here to incarnate and learn through varied cicrumstances.
Archon attachment isn't the curse some folks make it out to be in my opinion, it is something that carries a valuable lesson with it.



I don’t see any need to defeat Archons, I see a challenge and opportunity to rise above their influence. So I love life, I love this current lifetime, the challenges, the amazing experiences, sharing the lives of others facing their own challenges, the good, the not so good… the really horrific stuff too only because I have always grown from these experiences and see so many others who grow from facing their own horrors too.


I agree in so far as not needing to defeat the Archons.
But I think I will try to forego the horrors if at all possible.



Also and ultimately… in my own world view, is my certainty that I have responsibility for every single thing in my life (and in all my soul’s experiences). And this would include finding myself in the midst of experiencing archontic attention even to the degree where I am at the brink of the death of my soul (note I am speaking metaphorically) as I felt I was in the early months of 2012. And if I could pull out of a trap like I was in back then, so can Corey.

I do not think our souls are in any danger.
And I do not think Corey's soul is in any danger either.
Plenty of guru's have come before Corey and plenty will come after Corey.
We all incarnate as Sh!t heads from time to time.
There is no getting around it.

[Chester]

I see it now... I wrote the OP for the purpose of being challenged as to my assertion Corey is archontically compromised. Instead the thread was immediately derailed into a discussion which I then completely dove into (one of the joys of life... healthy debate).

The part that you "didn't get" is perhaps because I did not explain it well enough. But to try and explain it requires the reader to understand better my own world view. I have shared this world view before and perhaps more than once on this very forum... it is somewhere in the digisphere. If it is meant to be read then perhaps it will be stumbled upon.

I strive to avoid imposing that which I cannot prove and certainly cosmological, metaphysical philosophies are difficult, perhaps impossible to prove. Even more to that thought, perhaps what is "true" for each of us (when considering world views) is a matter of choice. The realms of form are well all the fun is anyways... I chose to enjoy it.

[Chester]

Message to Corey...

Come clean... end the charade and go back to your roots... those that are rooted in faith as I know you have them. If/when you do, remember that there are those of us who, in a heart beat, would be there to support you, help you "get clean" from any lifestyle choices which increase your susceptibility to Archontic intrusion. This is what the 12th step is all about and in speaking for myself, I am ready, willing and able to help.

I have, long ago, placed you in Those Hands...

[regnak]

Sam okay Corey makes a lot of his money from donations and from a book he is writing at the moment.
Corey might even make money from David wilcock site

If your income or support for your family depends on you selling the secret space program how are you ever going
To convince him to come clean. The department of defence is hardly going to say he is a fraud but the secret space program is real lol

[Chester]

If your income or support for your family depends on you selling the secret space program how are you ever going
To convince him to come clean.

I assume you mean... selling lies that revolve around the "probably real" secret space program?

I am not trying to convince him to come clean. I am recommending he come clean for the sake of truth, his family and his conscience. I guess sometimes making money trumps these three... but I also believe there's a good person inside Corey that knows truth, family and yes, his ability to look his creator in the eye (at the end of the day) is more important.

The point though is that there are folks who would be very willing to help him through all that because he will be going through a lot when he finally comes clean.

[regnak]

I have never studied or listened to Corey I do not know much about him . There are better people here who have a more informed opinion.;)

[Chester]

Sam you have a good heart but would these people support him with money for next dozen years if he stopped talking about secret space program . If your income depends on a lie than no matter what you do or say how will you ever convince him to stop.

Bill Ryan is doing Corey the biggest favour ever because by bashing him you bring attention to him indeed Corey has got huge boost in income since Bill Ryan began discussing him.:thumbsup:

Corey has gone from a largely unknown secret space program to the go to guy because he took on the great Bill Ryan over the secret space program.:cash::cash::cash::cash:

Hi, you are making statements which are opinions and frankly, I do not share your same opinions.

Corey can easily find ways to support his family without having to defraud vulnerables.

Bill Ryan? Or do you mean, an entire community that is rising up in revulsion of these frauds? Corey just being one.


and regarding this last one...

"Corey has gone from a largely unknown secret space program to the go to guy because he took on the great Bill Ryan over the secret space program."

Are you kidding me?

[regnak]

It's good that you are passionate Sam it makes me like you even more reminds me of you at the One truth :star::star::star::star::star:

Top class Sam

[Chester]

Corey information never made sense but you are highlighting him in neon lights . I was never a fan but the attention you are giving him and his information is beyond doubt.

Sam people only work in there self interest let Corey fade away into oblivion.

By your own logic, you are doing the same thing, no?

some people have greater priorities than...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98984-Are-there-ways-of-verifying-the-authenticity-of-some-channeled-messages&p=1170101&viewfull=1#post1170101

[regnak]

Indeed Sam there are greater priorities depends where you are our what your goals are.

Goal .....( with the wealthy)

Using non Gmo seeds and seeds chambers for better seeds
Using seeds balls of Masanobu Fukuoka and negative energy for seeds
Using Victor Schauberger for water and Soil health
Using Bruce Cathie for harmonic grib for strengthening the plants grow bigger and faster
Using Magnetic field for better faster growing crops
...................................
Using copper and zinc and wood with the soil no iron allowed
Using terra pretta if I can make it ,seawater,clay,leaves,e.t.c


Legendary crops growing in a fraction of the time for better health

[Ernie Nemeth]

When that thread by houman first came about I asked for clarification, this what I received:
Can you give me any insight into a thing called archons?

We see you have some false impressions in this regard. We will endeavor to edify. The thing you call archons are a life force of a lesser level. They are incorporate beings without souls but not unconnected to Spirit. Nothing in existence can be without its Source. As such they are just another type of creation, with their own purpose and goals. Everything in this universe is in service, with or without their knowledge. In this case, archons are without individuality but as a collective they are quite aware of their function.

Archons are not really in your sphere of functionality but they can be invited into your realm. There are those who find it useful to evolve by the use of external stimuli and there are those who wish to hinder the evolution of other entities. These are the only two instances that can allow archons to interfere in your lives and they must be used in tandem. That is, the entity under such influence must wish to be interfered with and must also “summon” that interference. It does not matter whether this is done in awareness or not.

Archonic perturbations can only affect those who by their own ignorance choose in error. Choice is not an issue for integrated beings, for they have evolved to the point where they understand that choice is already made before incarnation into the physical realm has begun. Once incarnated the only criteria is proper alignment with the local magnetic grid and this results in the perfection of function and form.

On your planet at this time there is what you would call an infestation of archonic energy and influence. You need not concern yourself with this dynamic. Your vibration negates their effect; you are sour to them. However, if you dwell on their reality you do open a portal through the astral realm that does allow them entrance into your auric field. This is why we advise you to ignore their presence unless it is to aid another in increasing their own vibration in order to rid themselves of this influence. That is part of your function and aides you in your own growth.

Consider these archons as a test. Can you walk along your path without serious altercations with and undue influence from these entities? If you can emphatically answer yes then you pass the test. Further elaboration on this topic is not recommended and we advise circumspection.

[Chester]

Thanks, Ernie Nemeth. Your post is reflective of my own view. It has been my concern for Corey, et al that they have embarked upon lifestyles which invite these influences into their realm.

In turn, their archontically influenced actions senselessly, unnecessarily and negatively impact the vulnerable.

[turiya]

Thanks, Ernie Nemeth. Your post is reflective of my own view. It has been my concern for Corey, et al that they have embarked upon lifestyles which invite these influences into their realm.

In turn, their archontically influenced actions senselessly, unnecessarily and negatively impact the vulnerable.

That is my understanding. In other words, the so-called "Archons" don't exist. Period!

It only has gathered some notoriety because people, in general, want to blame everything they don't understand, or mis-comprehend, on something other than taking on their own responsibility for themselves.

cheers

[Ernie Nemeth]

In other words, the so-called "Archons" don't exist.

Funny, that's what I took away from it too.

[Foxie Loxie]

One needs to look into Robert Stanley's story of how he got started on his "journey". According to him, it was because of these very beings who are talked about in the Gnostic Gospels. I have no clue, but listen to others' experiences to try to glean knowledge. :confused:

[Chester]

If we are not responsible for ourselves then what does it all matter anyways?

If we, who are far more capable of caring for ourselves, turn our backs on those who are obviously vulnerable, then what are we other than selfish, self centered, self serving?

And so where's that lovely fine line drawn? Who can describe that place? Is there that place which all of us would agree?

I don't see it happening. I don't see the responsible coming together and agreeing on where that magic line is to be drawn between those of us who should be expected to be responsible and those who could use some help.

Using the "archon" metaphor failed in this thread save for a few. In addition, I didn't get any "bait biters" who I thought would ask me to prove Corey's "archontic infestation."

I had my answer all prepared... it was going to be a quote by Michael Salla... me being the whistleblower of Corey and teams archontic infestation...


The onus is on the researchers/public to show evidence that such whistleblowers are contriving their claims. Dr. Michael Salala

from his comment in the comment section of this video -

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[onawah]

The descriptions of predatory, interdimensional creatures who prey on humanity and have shaped man in their image go way back, and are a good explanation for human sacrifice.
https://prof77.wordpress.com/our-predator-by-carlos-castaneda/

Our Predator–by Carlos Castaneda
“Our Predator”?

Our parasite, our psychopathic handlers, might be better characterizations . . .

Our predator feeds on us.
In the great epic poems, including Homer and Virgil’s works, the savory smoke of “sacrifice,” its scintillating effluvia, is routinely described as food for the gods. Mmmmmmmm . . . .
The Bible (Leviticus 17:6) says pretty much the same thing: “Burn the fat for a sweet aroma to the Lord.” Mmmmmmmm . . . .
Our parasite is a organism native to the fallen universe. It infects the human mind, manipulates perception, and steals energy. If forced to stand alone, it starves. We are in a predator-prey situation. We are the prey. – Aug Tellez

Carlos Castaneda on Our Predator
Don Juan, the Mexican Yaqui Indian shaman, tells Carlos Castaneda the following:

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Don Juan told Carlos Castaneda, “I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner.”

Indeed, we are held prisoner.

Don Juan, “This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico.”

“No, no, no, no,” [Carlos replies] “This is absurd don Juan. What you’re saying is something monstrous. It simply can’t be true, for sorcerers or for average men, or for anyone.”

don Juan asked calmly. “Why not? Because it infuriates you? … You haven’t heard all the claims yet. I want to appeal to your analytical mind. Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradictions between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behaviour. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of belief, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routine, and egomaniacal.”

“‘But how can they do this, don Juan? [Carlos] asked, somehow angered further by what [don Juan] was saying. “‘Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are asleep?”

“‘No, they don’t do it that way. That’s idiotic!” don Juan said, smiling. “They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver;stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators’ mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now.” [“Let US make man in OUR own image,” Genesis 1:26.]

Don Juan
“I know that even though you have never suffered hunger… you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now its manoeuvre is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear.”

“The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were quite ill at ease with the idea of when [the predator] made its appearance on Earth. They reasoned that man must have been a complete being at one point, with stupendous insights, feats of awareness that are mythological legends nowadays. And then, everything seems to disappear, and we have now a sedated man. What I’m saying is that what we have against us is not a simple predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer magical. He’s an average piece of meat.”

Castaneda, 1998

[turiya]

The descriptions of predatory, interdimensional creatures who prey on humanity and have shaped man in their image go way back, and are a good explanation for human sacrifice.

On the contrary. The Human sacrifice is initiated by himself via an unconscious "self-sacrificing' modus operandi - this creates his own demons. And not willing to accept the notion that the 'victim' is doing it to himself, leads to the belief that these 'self-created' demons come from a place external to himself.

Hence, the ignorance will remain as long as humanity refuses to grow-up & take on responsibility for himself & his own actions...

[Chester]

The descriptions of predatory, interdimensional creatures who prey on humanity and have shaped man in their image go way back, and are a good explanation for human sacrifice.

On the contrary. The Human sacrifice is initiated by himself via an unconscious "self-sacrificing' modus operandi - this creates his own demons. And not willing to accept the notion that the 'victim' is doing it to himself, leads to the belief that these 'self-created' demons come from a place external from himself.

Hence, the ignorance will remain as long as humanity refuses to grow-up & take on responsibility of himself & his own actions...

Not only do I chose to believe this and do believe this (meaning that I have made this view a core component of my set of operational assumptions)... any other possibility with regards to each individual's situation, puts the individual in a position of powerlessness.

Few seem to understand this.

[turiya]

Few seem to understand this.

More so, few really want to understand this about themselves..


Carl Jung and the Demon Within

http://www.angelsghosts.com/uploads/the-enemy-is-us-2015a.jpg



Jung theorized that our own psyche, or at least a part of it, can produce negativity.

When this happens, we are often not aware that this part, call it the demonic, is us. And when we resist it, when we react to it, we create more fear inside of ourselves and it strengthens. It's like having another person inside, an entity, that we do not know is us.

"...we discover that the ‘other’ in us is indeed 'another,' a real man, who actually thinks, does, feels, and desires all the things that are despicable and odious.. A whole man, however, knows that his bitterest foe, or indeed a host of enemies, does not equal that one worst adversary, the 'other self' who dwells in his bosom." - Carl Jung

"...the psychic conditions which breed demons are as actively at work as ever. The demons have not really disappeared but have merely taken on another form: they have become unconscious psychic forces." - Carl Jung
When negativity, the demonic, takes control of a person, that person may come to realize that they are not the master of their house. We may come to perceive a good and a bad, opposites inside of us at war.

Jung wrote quite a bit about what he called 'the shadow.' He knew that mankind had two people within with 'the shadow' being the inward hostile, a dark side, if you will, an inner demon. The question is whether or not we can recognize the demon within:

"The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge." - Carl Jung

"...the shadow belongs to the wholeness of the personality." - Carl Jung

In Christianity, Satan (which means 'adversary') or The Devil, we are told, is at work in the world. But most do not know who, what or where the enemy is. But Jung knew:

"...the 'adversary' is none other than ‘the other in me.'" - Carl Jung
Getting Free From Demons According to Jung

Carl Jung asserted that we must embrace the inner darkness. The shadow must be faced to overcome it. It is our awareness of this inner demon's existence that brings freedom from its control.

"One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light but by making the darkness conscious." - Carl Jung
To depower or dethrone the demonic from dominating human thinking, the key is not to deny or resist it when at work. To do so only strengthens one's foe.

"...if it (the Shadow) is repressed and isolated from consciousness, it never gets corrected and is liable to burst forth suddenly in a moment of unawareness. At all events, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions." - Carl Jung

"The educated man tries to repress the inferior man in himself, not realizing that by so doing he forces the latter into revolt." - Carl Jung

http://www.angelsghosts.com/uploads/carl-jung-shining-light-on-the-devil-7-2015a.jpg

As we understand more about our mind and its traps, we become more aware of our deeper being. And our deeper being does not need to war against the shadow.

The shadow needs to be seen for what it is: something created by the mind. It is not real. It is a mental construct. Recognition of this inner darkness along with our ability to stop the thinking mind from running loose on its own is all that is needed to depower the demonic, false self.

If our inner demons are left in control, our mind will continue to disconnect us from our source, that is to say our deepest part. The condition created from this effect could be called 'a house divided.' This is the duality that Jung acknowledged as being the opposites inside of us.

Learning to silence the mind, meaning to turn off thought, brings us back to the present moment. Excessive thinking keeps us in the past or future and severs us from 'now.' That is the key to silencing the demonic: remaining present and taking back control over the mind.

Explore Your Darkness. Do Not Be Afraid.

The Addams Family Musical has a song within it entitled, Move Toward the Darkness. Here is an excert of the lyrics that are full of truth:

Move toward the darkness
Welcome the unknown
Face your blackest demons
Find your weakest bone

Lost your inhibitions
Love what once was vile
Move toward the darkness and smile

When you face your nightmares
Then you'll know what's real
Move toward the darkness
Conquering your pain
Let each foreign forest
Offer you its rain

Only at our lowest
Can we rise above
Move toward the darkness and love

SOURCE (http://www.angelsghosts.com/carl-jung-on-demons)

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[DNA]

Don Juan told Carlos Castaneda, “I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner.”

Indeed, we are held prisoner.

Don Juan, “This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico.”

“No, no, no, no,” [Carlos replies] “This is absurd don Juan. What you’re saying is something monstrous. It simply can’t be true, for sorcerers or for average men, or for anyone.”

don Juan asked calmly. “Why not? Because it infuriates you? … You haven’t heard all the claims yet. I want to appeal to your analytical mind. Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradictions between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behaviour. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of belief, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routine, and egomaniacal.”

“‘But how can they do this, don Juan? [Carlos] asked, somehow angered further by what [don Juan] was saying. “‘Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are asleep?”

“‘No, they don’t do it that way. That’s idiotic!” don Juan said, smiling. “They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver;stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators’ mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now.” [“Let US make man in OUR own image,” Genesis 1:26.]

Don Juan
“I know that even though you have never suffered hunger… you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now its manoeuvre is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear.”

“The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were quite ill at ease with the idea of when [the predator] made its appearance on Earth. They reasoned that man must have been a complete being at one point, with stupendous insights, feats of awareness that are mythological legends nowadays. And then, everything seems to disappear, and we have now a sedated man. What I’m saying is that what we have against us is not a simple predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer magical. He’s an average piece of meat.”

Castaneda, 1998


Thank you Onawah, I feel this is indeed the case.
Just as the only Gnostics of old who confronted Archons were the absolute most advanced, the individuals who were about to break free from their Archontic bondage and thus forced the Archon to show himself, Castaneda talks of how the ancient Seers of Mexico saw some of the same things.
Think about this, these were some of the most advanced humans in all of history who saw they were connected to these predatory beings.
Do you think they were "less" developed than you?
Or rather you are more developed than they?
If you break down the Taoist teachings you see they infer the same entity in my opinion.
All of these folks were amazing people who dedicated their entire lives to this pursuit.
And they caught glimpses of this being only because of the level of their advancement, not because they were more flawed or had asked this creature in.
This creature is a phenomenon that has every single one of you helplessly in it's grasp.
Regardless of how much you want to deny it.
The more you deny it's existence, the more completely and utterly this creature has you in it's control.


Just my opinion. :)

[DNA]

The descriptions of predatory, interdimensional creatures who prey on humanity and have shaped man in their image go way back, and are a good explanation for human sacrifice.

On the contrary. The Human sacrifice is initiated by himself via an unconscious "self-sacrificing' modus operandi - this creates his own demons. And not willing to accept the notion that the 'victim' is doing it to himself, leads to the belief that these 'self-created' demons come from a place external to himself.

Hence, the ignorance will remain as long as humanity refuses to grow-up & take on responsibility for himself & his own actions...


Turiya, I know you want to internalize this phenomenon and say it does not exist, but in your writings I feel you are not far off from what I'm talking about.
I'm just of the opinion that this Archon manifestation has become indistinguishable from us to the point that we consider it a part of ourself.
I'm of the opinion that for the most part it is a part of our selves, and very few people are capable of separating that aspect from their true self.

[onawah]

Overly intellectualized theories like Jung's are quite new and relatively untried, and though he was an intelligent and intuitive man, I doubt he ever had anything like the kinds of experiences that avatars, yogis, sages of the highest order, shamans, etc. have had over the ages and agree upon, though their terminologies in describing them may differ.
If the archons have given us their mind, the evil has become part of us, at least temporarily, and is now internalized, and for that we certainly must take responsibility, to return to our "natural mind"as the Zen Masters call it.
But there have been times in our history when there were no wars, no weapons, no brutality (mostly in the matriarchal societies in more recent times) and the balance between the Divine Feminine and the Divine Masculine was intact.
In the Hindu cosmology, the times of Satya Yuga are peaceful and idyllic. Opinions differ as to where we are exactly now in the cycle, but we are definitely not in a Satya Yuga, more like at the opposite end of that, and just starting to move back up into higher frequencies, where we will no longer be so vulnerable.
Though spiritual evolution is also a case by case, individual matter.
But even the simple, uneducated and unsophisticated are able to access our "natural mind", as is proven over and over again when individuals dedicate themselves to the necessary practices and discipline that lead to enlightened states.
Our real nature is nothing like our conditioned mind.




The descriptions of predatory, interdimensional creatures who prey on humanity and have shaped man in their image go way back, and are a good explanation for human sacrifice.

On the contrary. The Human sacrifice is initiated by himself via an unconscious "self-sacrificing' modus operandi - this creates his own demons. And not willing to accept the notion that the 'victim' is doing it to himself, leads to the belief that these 'self-created' demons come from a place external to himself.

Hence, the ignorance will remain as long as humanity refuses to grow-up & take on responsibility for himself & his own actions...

[DNA]

I agree Onawah, I like some of what Carl Jung had to say, but indeed he is intellectualizing something that is only comprehended through disengaging from the intellect, or rather turning off the mind.
Atrophied organs of awareness need to be utilized to see what is going on and you can only activate them through turning off the internal dialogue, the mind, the Archon.


Trying to intellectualize the situation is like traversing literal mind fields.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alkbZPXbnJk
alkbZPXbnJk


I've noticed many times in my life when the discussion of something related to the Archons comes up folks get emotional and irrationally defensive.
It's as if bringing attention on their Archon attachment scares the Archons and causes it's discomfort to be manifested in the person I'm talking to.
I feel the Archon attachment in myself reacting as well and the full on sensation is like the eye of Sauron from the Lord of the Rings is shining upon us.


http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/eye-of-sauron.gif?w=500&h=350




It's times like these that I simply give up on the conversation and switch gears to something more mundane like football or pop culture.
There is really no reason to continue when this happens.

[turiya]

The descriptions of predatory, interdimensional creatures who prey on humanity and have shaped man in their image go way back, and are a good explanation for human sacrifice.

On the contrary. The Human sacrifice is initiated by himself via an unconscious "self-sacrificing' modus operandi - this creates his own demons. And not willing to accept the notion that the 'victim' is doing it to himself, leads to the belief that these 'self-created' demons come from a place external to himself.

Hence, the ignorance will remain as long as humanity refuses to grow-up & take on responsibility for himself & his own actions...


Turiya, I know you want to internalize this phenomenon and say it does not exist, but in your writings I feel you are not far off from what I'm talking about.
I'm just of the opinion that this Archon manifestation has become indistinguishable from us to the point that we consider it a part of ourself.
I'm of the opinion that for the most part it is a part of our selves, and very few people are capable of separating that aspect from their true self.

'Wanting' is not what its about, DNA. Its what it is.

A meditator - one who simply sits with himself, watching the mind, observing the activities of one's own mind, and this individual will agree with this. Because one becomes quite familiar with what a troublemaker the mind actually is. The mind cannot be still, it will not tolerate being put aside. It will immediately become an unruly child. Because for a mind to become still means that it is kind of death for the mind - the ego will die. And if one is so much identified with their mind, their ego - then one will be afraid to meditate.

DNA, you must be one of these type of people. The saying goes,

"An empty mind is the devils workshop!" That's what people say that are unable to look at their own subconscious garbage that their own mind contains. And, we all have garbage that we've thrown into our own basements. Each one is different as to whether they have the courage to come face to face with it. Easier for some, more difficult for others.

I remember on some thread I posted a method of meditation that can reveal how the subconscious functions. The meditation method is called the 'mirror meditation' - One sits in dark room with only a single candle that is placed next to the person, as the individual stares into a mirror. Just staring, staring, staring... - without blinking the eyes - just staring, at one's reflection of their own face. And one will see how the subconscious will bring up all the negative crap that one has thrown down into their basement... cuz that's what the subconscious is - it is the basement of the mind.


https://quantumphoenix.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/mirror-magic.jpg

If you go on staring, all the crap that has been buried there starts to come up out of the basement & rises to the conscious level. One can witness what the subconscious does. One will see their own face start to take on different appearances as the crap continues to come up. So many faces start to come... and many of these faces will not be pleasing for one to look at. Many may even frighten the one who is looking at their own face.

This is the subconscious throwing up it repressed crap - its suppressed emotional garbage. It really is an amazing ordeal to see how one's own mind functions & how it creates its own monsters.

When I wrote this, I think it was, in fact, you DNA, that expressed the opinion that this was a very dangerous meditation to do. Cuz the evil spirits will come in.... Yep - "an empty mind is the devils workshop."

Yeah, I suppose... One has the right to be afraid of their own shadow if they want to... And many people are like that...
Nothing wrong or right... just something to go through, to grow through... if one wants to grow in this life... to grow in consciousness.

There's that old saying for meditators... one has to go through the darkest night before one sees light of a new day... the dark night of the soul... the dark night is created by one's own mind before the light of the soul is realized...
To each his own... no right or wrong... the time will come when it comes...

Be well...

[onawah]

Don't mind Turiya, DNA. He usually resorts to insults when anyone contradicts him.
And if he doesn't do it openly on the forum, he will do it in a PM. (That's when he really gets nasty!)
And it's not just because the conversation is about Archons, he will do it over any subject.
People who need to be right at all times are actually very insecure.
And bullies are actually cowards.
I don't mind if I am reprimanded for this post.
It's about time someone called Turiya out again.

[DNA]

DNA, you must be one of these type of people. The saying goes, An empty mind is the devils workshop! That's what people say that are unable to look at their own subconscious garbage that see their mind contains. And it is only put their by only these same people.


I seem to have hooked your Archon Turiya and I apologize for that. We traverse in difficult waters and I understand as much as anyone how difficult this is.


I remember on some thread I posted a method of meditation that can reveal how the subconscious functions. The meditation method is called the 'mirror meditation' - One sits in dark room with only a single candle that is placed next to the person, as the individual stares into a mirror. Just staring, staring, staring... - without blinking the eyes - just staring, at one's reflection of their own face. And one will see how the subconscious will bring up all the negative crap that one has thrown down into their basement... cuz that's what the subconscious is - it is the basement of the mind.
I don't think you or Jung know what the subconscious really is.
That is just my opinion.


If you go on staring, all the crap that has been buried there starts to come up out of the basement & rises to the conscious level. One can witness what the subconscious does. One will see their own face start to take on different appearances as the crap continues to come up. So many faces start to come... and many of these faces will not be pleasing for one to look at. Many may even frighten the one who is looking at their own face.


I've done open eye meditation for years, no I've done my open eye meditation for decades.
I absolutely agree it is the best way to quiet the internal dialogue, however I stop short of recommending folks use mirrors for open eye meditation.



This is the subconscious throwing up it repressed crap - its suppressed emotional garbage. It really is an amazing ordeal to see how one's own mind functions & how it creates its own monsters.
When I wrote this, I think it was, in fact, you DNA, that expressed the opinion that this was a very dangerous meditation to do. Cuz the evil spirits will come in.... Yep - "an empty mind is the devils workshop."
Yeah, I suppose... One has the right to be afraid of their own shadow if they want to... And many people are like that...

The thread you reference and the interaction occurred on one of my favorite threads here. How To See A Ghost For Yourself (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21695-How-To-See-A-Ghost-For-Yourself)
I wrote this thread because through intense mediation I became aware of a technique that made ghosts extremely easy to see, even for folks who do not meditate that often. So I wanted to share these findings to see if folks could duplicate this method and report back with their findings.
You were convinced that these things were all manifestations within my mind.
And you seemed to be convinced that all such phenomenon are manifestations of one's mind.
I felt then that you were wrong on this as I still do.





Nothing wrong or right... just something to go through, to grow through... if one wants to grow in this life... to grow in consciousness.
There's that old saying for meditators... one has to go through the darkest night before one sees light of a new day... the dark night of the soul... the dark night is created by one's own mind before the light of the soul is realized...
To each his own... no right or wrong... the time will come when it comes...

Be well...

I've been an appreciator of your work over the years Turiya.
We may differ on a few details but the importance of what we are both striving for is in the details of the work.
It is the meditation and the recognizing of self in contrast to falsehoods within us.
Have a good day. :)

[Chester]

Don't mind Turiya, DNA. He usually resorts to insults when anyone contradicts him.
And if he doesn't do it openly on the forum, he will do it in a PM.
And it's not just because the conversation is about Archons, he will do it over any subject.
People who need to be right at all times are actually very insecure.
And bullies are actually cowards.
I don't mind if I am reprimanded for this post.
It's about time someone called Turiya out again.

I believe we can all benefit from looking in the mirror you are pointing to here, onawah. Some use passive aggression, some use roundabout forms of insulting others.

I know I have sometimes acted (posted) in ways I later look back upon with regret.

So striving to get back on the current topic -


Here's a fact... not a single one of the opinions of any of the posters here in this thread can be proven.

Some of the opinions paint the picture of all but full blown hopelessness.

Others opine that third parties are to be held responsible for the problems of (some) humans.

What is clear is that turiya's opinion places the onus of responsibility for what befalls an individual squarely on the shoulders of that individual and my opinion is that this opinion is the only opinion where I (and ultimately only I) am the one who must resolve my problems.

Of all the opinions I have read in this thread, turiya's opinion is the only one that supports personal empowerment. All the rest either write off this form of reality experience (the 3D material realm), write off the human being that experiences in this particular form of experience or uses "imaginary" third parties as excuses for remaining victims.

Perhaps turiya and myself are the only members of this forum who choose to believe this (though I suspect there are others and I surely hope there are others), and though this view may be no more provable than anyone else's it is the only view to hold whereby humanity can pull its head out of its backside. (just my own opinion).

[DNA]

Don't mind Turiya, DNA. He usually resorts to insults when anyone contradicts him.
And if he doesn't do it openly on the forum, he will do it in a PM.
And it's not just because the conversation is about Archons, he will do it over any subject.
People who need to be right at all times are actually very insecure.
And bullies are actually cowards.
I don't mind if I am reprimanded for this post.
It's about time someone called Turiya out again.

I believe we can all benefit from looking in the mirror you are pointing to here, onawah. Some use passive aggression, some use roundabout forms of insulting others.

I know I have sometimes acted (posted) in ways I later look back upon with regret.

So striving to get back on the current topic -


Here's a fact... not a single one of the opinions of any of the posters here in this thread can be proven.

Some of the opinions paint the picture of all but full blown hopelessness.

Others opine that third parties are to be held responsible for the problems of (some) humans.

What is clear is that turiya's opinion places the onus of responsibility for what befalls an individual squarely on the shoulders of that individual and my opinion is that this opinion is the only opinion where I (and ultimately only I) am the one who must resolve my problems.

Of all the opinions I have read in this thread, turiya's opinion is the only one that supports personal empowerment. All the rest either write off this form of reality experience (the 3D material realm), write of the human being that experiences in this particular form of experience or uses "imaginary" third parties as excuses for remaining victims.

Perhaps turiya and myself are the only members of this forum who chose to believe this (though I suspect there are others and I surely hope there are others), and though this view may be no more provable than anyone else's it is the only view to hold whereby humanity can pull its head out of its backside. (just my own opinion).


While I think I'm being pragmatic about the situation you say I'm being hopeless.
And yet I think you are being optimistically naïve.


I don't feel we have any hope of escaping the Archons on our own, but for some reason I believe we may have some hope though technological means.
There is a scene from the movie "Primer" where the two main characters are sitting in a construction of their own making.
It is a technological construction, one that cuts what ever is inside of it off from time.
After the two main characters exit from a prolonged stay inside of the device in order to escape the forward motion of time, they discuss how they felt inside the construction.
One character states to the other "It's as if I was never more content, the feeling of being at one with something that is greater than yourself, the feeling of being at the ocean and the waves rolling in giving a state of perfect contentment". And the other character gives confirmation that this was exactly what he felt as well.


In the movie 2001 a space odyssey we are introduced to the idea that man's ability to make tools separated him from the animals.
This making of tools leads to traveling in space where we see man makes another leap, one to where he is capable of manifesting his full awareness and multidimensionality.
Man is free from the construct of time and capable of manifesting as any age he desires.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rjUfaXNII0&t=53s
1rjUfaXNII0


I believe if we are ever going to find any solution to this problem then we have to stay pragmatic and leave our feelings of optimism and self serving delusions behind us.

[onawah]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion--opinions will differ according to where an individual is in their own evolutionary path.
Those who have little faith in humankind have probably never directly experienced their own "natural mind".
Those who have naive views have probably never been able to confront the fears that keep them in denial.
(Fear is what Don Juan Matus named as the "first natural enemy".)
Those who always think themselves right have probably not yet encountered what Don Juan Matus described as the "second natural enemy", Clarity.
Those who fail to defeat the "third natural enemy" which is Power, become cruel and capricious.

Sunday, April 15th, 1962
As I was getting ready to leave, I decided to ask him once more about the enemies of a man of knowledge. I argued that I could not return for some time, and it would be a good idea to write down what he had to say and then think about it while I was away. He hesitated for a while, but then began to talk.

"When a man starts to learn, he is never clear about his objectives. His purpose is faulty; his intent is vague. He hopes for rewards that will never materialize, for he knows nothing of the hardships of learning. "He slowly begins to learn... bit by bit at first, then in big chunks. And his thoughts soon clash. What he learns is never what he pictured, or imagined, and so he begins to be afraid. Learning is never what one expects. Every step of learning is a new task, and the fear the man is experiencing begins to mount mercilessly, unyieldingly. His purpose becomes a battlefield.

"And thus he has tumbled upon the first of his natural enemies: Fear!

A terrible enemy... treacherous, and difficult to overcome. It remains concealed at every turn of the way, prowling... waiting. And if the man, terrified in its presence, runs away, his enemy will have put an end to his quest."
"What will happen to the man if he runs away in fear?"
"Nothing happens to him except that he will never learn. He will never become a man of knowledge. He will perhaps be a bully or a harmless, scared man; at any rate, he will be a defeated man. His first enemy will have put an end to his cravings."
"And what can he do to overcome fear?"
"The answer is very simple. He must not run away. He must defy his fear, and in spite of it he must take the next step in learning, and the next, and the next. He must be fully afraid, and yet he must not stop. That is the rule! And a moment will come when his first enemy retreats. The man begins to feel sure of himself. His intent becomes stronger. Learning is no longer a terrifying task. "When this joyful moment comes, the man can say without hesitation that he has defeated his first natural enemy."

"Does it happen at once, don Juan, or little by little?"
"It happens little by little, and yet the fear is vanquished suddenly and fast."
"But won’t the man be afraid again if something new happens to him?"
"No. Once a man has vanquished fear, he is free from it for the rest of his life because, instead of fear, he has acquired clarity... a clarity of mind which erases fear. By then a man knows his desires; he knows how to satisfy those desires. He can anticipate the new steps of learning, and a sharp clarity surrounds everything. The man feels that nothing is concealed.

"And thus he has encountered his second enemy: Clarity!

That clarity of mind, which is so hard to obtain, dispels fear, but also blinds. "It forces the man never to doubt himself. It gives him the assurance he can do anything he pleases, for he sees clearly into everything. And he is courageous because he is clear, and he stops at nothing because he is clear. But all that is a mistake; it is like something incomplete. If the man yields to this make-believe power, he has succumbed to his second enemy and will fumble with learning. He will rush when he should be patient, or he will be patient when he should rush. And he will fumble with learning until he winds up incapable of learning anything more."


"What becomes of a man who is defeated in that way, don Juan? Does he die as a result?"
"No, he doesn’t die. His second enemy has just stopped him cold from trying to become a man of knowledge; instead, the man may turn into a buoyant warrior, or a clown. Yet the clarity for which he has paid so dearly will never change to darkness and fear again. He will be clear as long as he lives, but he will no longer learn, or yearn for, anything."

"But what does he have to do to avoid being defeated?"
"He must do what he did with fear: he must defy his clarity and use it only to see, and wait patiently and measure carefully before taking new steps; he must think, above all, that his clarity is almost a mistake. And a moment will come when he will understand that his clarity was only a point before his eyes. And thus he will have overcome his second enemy, and will arrive at a position where nothing can harm him any more. This will not be a mistake. It will not be only a point before his eyes. It will be true power. "He will know at this point that the power he has been pursuing for so long is finally his. He can do with it whatever he pleases. His ally is at his command. His wish is the rule. He sees all that is around him.

But he has also come across his third enemy: Power!

"Power is the strongest of all enemies. And naturally the easiest thing to do is to give in; after all, the man is truly invincible. He commands; he begins by taking calculated risks, and ends in making rules, because he is a master. "A man at this stage hardly notices his third enemy closing in on him. And suddenly, without knowing, he will certainly have lost the battle. His enemy will have turned him into a cruel, capricious man."

"Will he lose his power?"
"No, he will never lose his clarity or his power."
"What then will distinguish him from a man of knowledge?"
"A man who is defeated by power dies without really knowing how to handle it. Power is only a burden upon his fate. Such a man has no command over himself, and cannot tell when or how to use his power."
"Is the defeat by any of these enemies a final defeat?"
"Of course it is final. Once one of these enemies overpowers a man there is nothing he can do."
"Is it possible, for instance, that the man who is defeated by power may see his error and mend his ways?"
"No. Once a man gives in he is through."

"But what if he is temporarily blinded by power, and then refuses it?"
"That means his battle is still on. That means he is still trying to become a man of knowledge. A man is defeated only when he no longer tries, and abandons himself."
"But then, don Juan, it is possible that a man may abandon himself to fear for years, but finally conquer it?"
"No, that is not true. If he gives in to fear he will never conquer it, because he will shy away from learning and never try again. But if he tries to learn for years in the midst of his fear, he will eventually conquer it because he will never have really abandoned himself to it."

"How can he defeat his third enemy, don Juan?"
"He has to defy it, deliberately. He has to come to realize the power he has seemingly conquered is in reality never his. He must keep himself in line at all times, handling carefully and faithfully all that he has learned. If he can see that clarity and power, without his control over himself, are worse than mistakes, he will reach a point where everything is held in check. He will know then when and how to use his power. And thus he will have defeated his third enemy.

"The man will be, by then, at the end of his journey of learning... and almost without warning he will come upon the last of his enemies: Old age!

This enemy is the cruelest of all, the one he won’t be able to defeat completely, but only fight away. "This is the time when a man has no more fears, no more impatient clarity of mind... a time when all his power is in check, but also the time when he has an unyielding desire to rest. If he gives in totally to his desire to lie down and forget, if he soothes himself in tiredness, he will have lost his last round, and his enemy will cut him down into a feeble old creature. His desire to retreat will overrule all his clarity, his power, and his knowledge.

"But if the man sloughs off his tiredness, and lives his fate through, he can then be called a man of knowledge, if only for the brief moment when he succeeds in fighting off his last, invincible enemy. That moment of clarity, power, and knowledge is enough."

http://www.tekgnostics.com/JUAN.HTM

[Chester]

I see "not taking personal responsibility for one's life" as regressive.

Just opinion.

[DNA]

I see "not taking personal responsibility for one's life" as regressive.

Just opinion.



I honestly find your opinion to mean the opposite of what you are saying.
I'm of the opinion that you wish to believe you are something you are not, therefore you are not taking responsibility for your situation.
I'm of the opinion that while I let folks know simply and surely I am no better than anyone in our shared predicament your claims are that of an individual above the problem we speak of.
I think someone who thinks they are above these problems are deluded to an extent they need not worry about Corey Goode.

But again, just an opinion. :)

[Chester]

I see "not taking personal responsibility for one's life" as regressive.

Just opinion.

I honestly find your opinion to mean the opposite of what you are saying.
I'm of the opinion that you wish to believe you are something you are not, therefore you are not taking responsibility for your situation.
I'm of the opinion that while I let folks know simply and surely I am no better than anyone in our shared predicament your claims are that of an individual above the problem we speak of.
I think someone who thinks they are above these problems are deluded to an extent they need not worry about Corey Goode.

But again, just an opinion. :)

One has the right to interpret as they wish. One can also write on this forum what their interpretation is. That does not mean they "get it."

[Chester]

In looking back now... the reason I created this thread was foolish. Not only did no one take the bait, instead we ended up experiencing paradigm wars. I should have known better and now, hopefully... I do.

Please (MODS), close this failure.

[Bill Ryan]

In looking back now... the reason I created this thread was foolish. Not only did no one take the bait, instead we ended up experiencing paradigm wars. I should have known better and now, hopefully... I do.

Please (MODS), close this failure.

Hi, All — I rode in here having not read this thread at all. (And it's now almost too long to easily do so, all my bad. :facepalm: )

What I was going to post was this: —>

~~~

Archontic influences, I strongly suspect, are (a) very real, and (b) rather like bacteria or viruses. They're endemic everywhere, but only now and then do people get AIDS or die of pneumonia.

We have immune systems that usually do a good job, but if those systems are compromised, then the influences opportunistically seize on the vulnerabilities.

Psychoactive drugs also open up those vulnerability windows, for sure. And closely associating with others who are 'infected' creates vulnerabilities, too.

So, my short answer is Yes. But it's not a black-and-white, all-or-nothing thing: it's a matter of degree. Like any physical infection, one can be affected slightly, or be knocked out of the game for a while, or even crash into a total system failure that changes everything, maybe irreversibly, at least in this lifetime with this body.

Anyone behaving immorally or unethically or antisocially irrationally is potentially a case study of this kind of 'infection'. I do firmly hold this view.

[DNA]

In looking back now... the reason I created this thread was foolish. Not only did no one take the bait, instead we ended up experiencing paradigm wars. I should have known better and now, hopefully... I do.

Please (MODS), close this failure.



Look, I wish I was wise/sagacious/detached enough not to get drawn into the need to be right.
I'm not.
All in all, tempers flared and subtle language was used in a slight derogatory fashion, but all in all we shared our views and in my opinion this is actually what you want.


The thread could have gone better with more mutual respect, allowing for one another to share views without they having to match or compliment one another.
Sometimes I'm very guilty of thinking my language is conveying a message without minimizing someone else's view and then I go back and read it, seeing how what I stated was in fact containing barbs that prick.
I am sorry for that.


With that in mind I still think the thread went well in so far as information conveyed.
We may have played antagonist to one another now and then but all in all, sometimes this is fuel for good banter and helps motivate the sharing of information.

[Chester]

I decided best not to post this - apologies.

I am going to take a break for awhile folks... Sam

[Jayke]

Archontic influences, I strongly suspect, are (a) very real, and (b) rather like bacteria or viruses. They're endemic everywhere, but only now and then do people get AIDS or die of pneumonia.

We have immune systems that usually do a good job, but if those systems are compromised, then the influences opportunistically seize on the vulnerabilities.

Psychoactive drugs also open up those vulnerability windows, for sure. And closely associating with others who are 'infected' creates vulnerabilities, too...

...Anyone behaving immorally or unethically or antisocially irrationally is potentially a case study of this kind of 'infection'. I do firmly hold this view.

I don't know if anyone has watched the new Tom Cruise movie 'The Mummy' but the whole premise was based on the idea that evil is spread like a virus, a bacterial infection.

There's actually an interesting phenomena in biology called phenotopic polymorphism, where otherwise healthy and benign cells in the body can suddenly morph into malignant viruses when PH levels fall too low. The cells respond to the acidity in the environment and through an epigenetic response take on a more malevolent form (one of the primary causes of cancer)

I see this as what's happening in the world today, the leaders have already morphed into malevolent cancers and they're doing their best to keep us all living in an acidic environment, devoid of balance or harmony. It's our job as the white blood cells to restore order and bring balance to the psychology of people, and as more people raise their PH to become more alkaline, we'll stop giving power to the malevolent leaders and suddenly the world can morph back into its more benign state of health and wellness.

Sam and DNA, I didn't see anything negative in your discussion, sometimes movies are only as good as their villain, it takes a good thesis and antithesis to create a new synthesis--as long as you can both shake hands at the end of the thread and maintain a mutual respect then giving each other a good ribbing in a banterous way can make the thread more entertaining and insightful for other readers--that's always been my approach at least...

[Rawhide68]

Thanks Jayke

This is an interesting subject. I remember Harald Wella talking about "Black Goo", check out what happened to the marconi scientists working on that.
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