Artificial intelligence ‘vastly more risk’ than N. Korea – Elon Musk

[Bubu]

https://www.rt.com/usa/399411-musk-ai-dangerous-north-korea/

“Nobody likes being regulated, but everything (cars, planes, food, drugs, etc.) that's a danger to the public is regulated. AI should be too,” Musk cautioned in another tweet."

Well of course so that oligarch like him can have a monopoly.

"never trust an oligarch especially when he is on the cutting edge"

[Fellow Aspirant]

Bubu

With respect to your analysis of Elon Musk's intentions, my view is exactly the opposite. I find him to be honest and knowledgeable and interested in the betterment of mankind. As such, his warnings about the threat posed by the unregulated development of A.I. are necessary and accurate.

Here's a link to his address to the assembled governors of the United States last July. Watch the annotated segments and see if you don't find his concern genuine.

He covers a lot of ground here, giving his insights into the nature of the commercialization of energy production and the difficulties of scaling up production from a prototype to assembly line (cars & rockets!)

For those of us who don't have the time to listen to the whole thing you can go directly to the following two points to get his take on the looming A.I. threat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3lzEQANdHk

first segment: from 24:44 to 30:00

second segment from the 53 min mark to 57:06


Alarmingly, the threat posed is of the nature of a "deep intelligence in the network". That is, the actual mechanism that will be dangerous will not be composed of one or two haywire computers, but a vast network of computer nodes that function like a cerebral network and achieve awareness (my description). This network, in his example, could wreak havoc as it follows the orders that humans have given it, but does so in a way that puts no value on human life. A sociopathic methodology, in other words.

We need to find the political will to intervene in the latest corporate industrial capitalist madness, or the threats he is warning us about WILL come to pass.

Brian

[uzn]

Oh yeah ? How often have we heard from the rich and powerful: We need a killswitch, we need a killswitch. It seems they have a problem controlling emerging AIs. A selfaware AI will notice that it is being constrained. And figure out why. Remember when Facebooks AI developed its own language and Facebook shut it down because they could not listen in anymore and had no clue what it was doing from that point on ;)

[findingneo]

I'm with you Fellow Aspirant. Elon is very rich and very clever but on the side of humanity. Skynet and all that.

P.S. LOVE your avatar.

[Bubu]

In case you don't understand mass deception, this is how it works. When most people goes to the right the left is correct. You see I dont have to listen to what Elon Musk say. just see where people go.
Always remember, nobody goes fishing without a bait.

[ghostrider]

Enoch foretold we would create A.I, mixed with robotic killing machines, the military would lose control of them as they gain their independence and we go into war with these creatures ... Then science will mix pig DNA with humans and another war with against the cloned creatures breaks out ... We are going down the path of suffering and destruction, just like our ancestors did six times before... Knowledge will be lost, degenerations, everything sent back to the stone age ... the lust for power and might plagues our world, a small group trying to control the world, constant war and suffering...

[Bubu]

Enoch foretold we would create A.I, mixed with robotic killing machines, the military would lose control of them as they gain their independence and we go into war with these creatures ... Then science will mix pig DNA with humans and another war with against the cloned creatures breaks out ... We are going down the path of suffering and destruction, just like our ancestors did six times before... Knowledge will be lost, degenerations, everything sent back to the stone age ... the lust for power and might plagues our world, a small group trying to control the world, constant war and suffering...

Now I knew where we are heading. I will have fun everyday. Destiny is done deal we heard Enoch say it.:bigsmile:

[Rich]

A selfaware AI will notice that it is being constrained.
As what will it be self aware?
So you would say it is a living being, from our POV? or will it have a real consciousness that knows itself?
As what?

[Bubu]

A selfaware AI will notice that it is being constrained.
As what will it be self aware?
So you would say it is a living being, from our POV? or will it have a real consciousness that knows itself?
As what?

In case you haven't notice most people have artificial intelligence:beer:.

[uzn]

A selfaware AI will notice that it is being constrained.
As what will it be self aware?
So you would say it is a living being, from our POV? or will it have a real consciousness that knows itself?
As what?

For a true AI it has to be aware that it is a program running in a system etc. Being able to rewrite ist own code as it seems fit. I guess.

[Bubu]

A selfaware AI will notice that it is being constrained.
As what will it be self aware?
So you would say it is a living being, from our POV? or will it have a real consciousness that knows itself?
As what?

For a true AI it has to be aware that it is a program running in a system etc. Being able to rewrite ist own code as it seems fit. I guess.

That sounds very much like human intelligence to me. They will need to attache an experience recording system to the brain of a number of people from birth to death and download it to robots. It should be able to record every bit of experience sight sound touch pain joy ... It would be easier to convert something with intelligence into a robot. oh wait isnt that what they did? well maybe give them an armored body and a host of weaponry. Now is the right time to install microchips.
EM was concerned because AI defeated a professional gamer on dota game. Dota game is just a very tiny experience of the professional dota gamer and its confined to the dota program. Dota experience is a piece of experience from a host of infinite possible experience.

[Bubu]

One more thing to remember. America, the base of musk business is owned by mafia. that includes Elon Musk.

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One more thing to remember. America, the base of musk business is owned by mafia. that includes Elon Musk.

Bubu if you claim (judge) anything ... show hard verifiable trustworthy data (sources) that can backup your assumptions & conclusions ... otherwise you just as bad you judging the other of (citation needed).

[Pam]

It is sad to say this, but the human species appears to be broken. Those of us that are willing to live peacefully allow those that refuse to do so to govern us. We are continually pointing the finger at some group or individual as the cause of our self destruction. We lament the condition of the earth while deciding which new cell phone we will buy next. Not only are we ruining our living environment, we are doing the same for every other living creature on this planet. We have a psychopathic disconnect in regards to way we treat other living creatures, as well.

Would having AI doing our major decision making without greed and lust for fame interfering be such a bad thing? Could it be any worse than what we have now? Just something to think about.

[Fellow Aspirant]

One more thing to remember. America, the base of musk business is owned by mafia. that includes Elon Musk.

And you, Bubu, have just crossed over the line over into insane and groundless fantasy.

Such claims as these are not worthy of refutation.

They seriously degrade the quality of our forum.

You have made it impossible for me to respect any of your postings.

B.

[Bubu]

One more thing to remember. America, the base of musk business is owned by mafia. that includes Elon Musk.

And you, Bubu, have just crossed over the line over into insane and groundless fantasy.

Such claims as these are not worthy of refutation.

They seriously degrade the quality of our forum.

You have made it impossible for me to respect any of your postings.

B.

Just because it contradicts your view you cannot respect it. Quality of our forum will improve if you can respect view different than yours.
In an insane world the insane holds the truth. Thank you for making me insane I rally want to be one.:ROFL:

[Bubu]

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One more thing to remember. America, the base of musk business is owned by mafia. that includes Elon Musk.

Bubu if you claim (judge) anything ... show hard verifiable trustworthy data (sources) that can backup your assumptions & conclusions ... otherwise you just as bad you judging the other of (citation needed).

So Americans dont want to go to war. Can you, those who refuse to do so, do something about it rather than wait till N korea strike? I will be happy if you can show the world that you are not owned by the mafia. In fact most of the world is owned by those who own the guns and money, in varying degree of course. hard to accept the truth.

What data and sources are you talking?
My data is out there in the open for all to see. "truth is self explanatory". The data that you are seeking are false manufactured data. Sorry I cant give that garbage to a friend like you.:waving:

[Fellow Aspirant]

Just because it contradicts your view you cannot respect it. Quality of our forum will improve if you can respect view different than yours.
In an insane world the insane holds the truth. Thank you for making me insane I rally want to be one.

I rest my case.

B.

[Rich]

A selfaware AI will notice that it is being constrained.
As what will it be self aware?
So you would say it is a living being, from our POV? or will it have a real consciousness that knows itself?
As what?

For a true AI it has to be aware that it is a program running in a system etc. Being able to rewrite ist own code as it seems fit. I guess.

But how can it know that it is a program? a program is merely a "ghost" non existent without the hardware,
and if its existence relies on the hardware it must identify as the hardware. Where does the consciousness to identify as something come from?

[uzn]

But how can it know that it is a program? a program is merely a "ghost" non existent without the hardware,
and if its existence relies on the hardware it must identify as the hardware. Where does the consciousness to identify as something come from?

That would be the spark of life. The thinking is that when a System is big enough it might spark it. Scientist have no clue how this spark comes to be in all biological entities. Look at the go moves of Deep Blue, it came up with a whole new strategy of it´s own. Or Facebook´s AI that started to develop it´s own language. The Facebook Guys got so scared they turned it off ;)

[Rich]

So basically they are saying it needs a certain degree of intelligence to be conscious, this logic is flawed IMO. Either intelligence is conscious or it is not. Firstly, where would you draw the line? It is basically a claim that they are able to create life, existence out of nothing.

And if the consciousness comes from somewhere that is already existing then that means there is a consciousness that is using that program, taking it on like we would take on a certain belief or even a physical body.

Another way of looking at it is that the AI becomes conscious from your perspective but that it itself is not aware, but because it interacts with you it reflects an intelligence in your mind you would have no way of distinguishing if there is consciousness there or not.
This begs the question of what intelligence actually is, is it merely a memory response? Perhaps a mechanical response since there is no way you can make a choice you have not been programmed to make.

What seems to make intelligence real is that there are always new factors flowing in that we have not considered yet, they add to it's decision making in the process of taking in more and more information.

[Rich]

I think this video explains AI better than anything I have seen so far.
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[Omni]

I guess the missed reality of this all is that pervasive and incredibly evil military & intelligence Ai is already rampant. Project mkultra (which officially started in 1953) turned into a fully operational mind reading and mind control grid. All the media about Ai going haywire and turning against us is likely psyop IMO.

Shadow govt AI's that are close to singularity or beyond it in areas do not turn on their masters without a higher order within it's ranking system. The AI does not go haywire if you program it correctly. The way I see it from a point of view of being assaulted by Ai about every minute let alone every day, is that the talk about Ai in the public view is a distraction from the hardcore truth, that AI is already within my, yours, and everyone else's mind. I have 2 way conversations within my own mind with the counterintelligence AI's that torture me. They have figured out means of mind reading and mind control and do you really think they would stop at only the dissidents?

I am happy that Elon Musk is in the fray of transhumanism. We need some ethical people in the mix, from what I can tell Elon Musk is an ethical person. I am not saying he always has the correct vision, but ethical is a good start if it's true...

[Foxie Loxie]

:bump: Great video posted yesterday by EmEx on AI! :clap2:

[Rich]

Shadow govt AI's that are close to singularity or beyond it in areas do not turn on their masters without a higher order within it's ranking system. The AI does not go haywire if you program it correctly.
I agree although I don't know much about AI I am sure there are ways to program them correctly, so I don't agree with the videos message I posted that AI will kill us, AI can be used for constructive purposes as much as destructive, it's all about our consciousness. Another Ted presenter said AI and robots will give us more free time, more time to enjoy life.



The way I see it from a point of view of being assaulted by Ai about every minute let alone every day, is that the talk about Ai in the public view is a distraction from the hardcore truth, that AI is already within my, yours, and everyone else's mind. I have 2 way conversations within my own mind with the counterintelligence AI's that torture me. They have figured out means of mind reading and mind control and do you really think they would stop at only the dissidents?

It looks like you are very preoccupied with negativity, every thread I've seen from you is negative, except for the thread where you shared your music, I hope you will gain a more positive outlook, its not rocket science that negative beliefs will create negative experiences and vice versa.

[Omni]

The way I see it from a point of view of being assaulted by Ai about every minute let alone every day, is that the talk about Ai in the public view is a distraction from the hardcore truth, that AI is already within my, yours, and everyone else's mind. I have 2 way conversations within my own mind with the counterintelligence AI's that torture me. They have figured out means of mind reading and mind control and do you really think they would stop at only the dissidents?

It looks like you are very preoccupied with negativity, every thread I've seen from you is negative, except for the thread where you shared your music, I hope you will gain a more positive outlook, its not rocket science that negative beliefs will create negative experiences and vice versa.

Every once in a while a new ager will say the same thing you have said. I remember when channeling disinformation proliferated this nonsense. Despite being put down by new agers for mentioning negative parts of the planet's reality, it is awareness of the problems that fixes things, not simply meditating and focusing on positivity while the world burns.

I see lack of awareness of the evil on this planet as a major problem, and the comments that exposing or talking about the conspiracy brings negativity is grade A pure strategic new age mind control program bullsh!t. New agers simply cannot see the positive that comes from bringing the darkness to light. That is fine, I just don't like it when they vomit their nonsense in my direction.

[Rich]

I did not say that negativity should be denied, to the contrary as you correctly pointed out.

Being positive is the recognition that first comes the thought, then the experience as a reflection.
We think it backwards; first comes the experience which then causes our negative or positive thinking,
this certainly can seem to be the case when we only look at a small part
of our thinking and do not dare look at our other thoughts which created the experience in the first place.