Twin Spanish terrorist attacks: Barcelona, and then Cambrils

[Eric J (Viking)]

This is never ending... when will it all stop?... Staged?

Barcelona van attack: multiple deaths reported in Las Ramblas area - latest updates

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/aug/17/barcelona-attack-van-driven-into-crowd-in-las-ramblas-district

Viking

[TargeT]

Besides the "van attack" that has apparently killed 13 so far there are also reports that two gunmen have taken hostages in a bar in the city center (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4799836/People-hurt-van-crashes-pedestrians-Barcelona.html#ixzz4q2DR8mNV)

[sunwings]

As a Barcelona Resident this is very distressing. Watching the news roll in on the local Catalan news, and they have just announced, that they have found the passports in the van used in the attack. Everyone was asking why do they always leave behind their passports? Man is a Spanish resident but actually Moroccan.

Only six months ago I told a class full of students any attack in Barcelona will be a speeding van going down La Rambla. It´s the copycat of Nice, France attack. Watch them put up bollards tomorrow, just sadly a day too late.

[Cidersomerset]

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.21.26/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

Barcelona: 13 killed as van rams crowds in Las Ramblas

BARCELONA INCIDENT: an eyewitness "everybody started screaming" - BBC News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DK9pfHbA_8

read more...

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/41E8/production/_97427861_barcelona_van_crash_map624.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40965581



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'I saw a lot of blood' - Barcelona attack eyewitness to RT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfT7UvNcXKo

Published on 17 Aug 2017
13 dead & more than 30 injured in a “massive crash” involving a van in Barcelona's
city center, local police have confirmed. Authorities have called the incident
a “terrorist attack.”

UPDATE: 13 people killed in Barcelona terrorist attack - Interior Minister (SPECIAL COVERAGE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKaBXaRysag

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Death toll rises in Barcelona: At least 13 dead, government says

ThKU8FaqEBU

Published on 17 Aug 2017

According to the Spanish government, at least 13 people have been killed and 50
more injured after a van plowed into pedestrians in Barcelona

[TargeT]

they have just announced, that they have found the passports in the van used in the attack. Everyone was asking why do they always leave behind their passports?

Why indeed...

That's probably the last thing I would take with me on a tactical maneuver, that makes me question the whole thing.

[Daozen]

Ha. Passports. Sorry for anyone in Barcelona, I know its traumatizing, I lived through many "terrorist' attacks in London, and a couple in Taiwan. But finding the passports conveniently laid out on the back of the van? It's like a bad detective movie or a Scooby Doo plot. I guess so the police can later confirm they were bearded men of Middle-eastern origin, clutching a copy of the Koran and shouting Allah Ackbar.

Why would anyone take a passport to a terrorist bombing?

[Wind]

Seems like that's how intelligence operations work. Or does anyone believe that ISIS is really this organized? And with all of the mass surveillance how cannot the governments stop these kind of terror attacks? They are happening all the time now, it's like a pattern which keeps on repeating.

[uzn]

they have just announced, that they have found the passports in the van used in the attack. Everyone was asking why do they always leave behind their passports?

Why indeed...

That's probably the last thing I would take with me on a tactical maneuver, that makes me question the whole thing.

Guess what. In the Christmas market Truck that did the attack in Berlin/Germany they found the passport of the driver (Anis Amri) ! But the best passport story by far is the passport of Mohammed Atta that flew through the airplane, the explosion and through the whole tower and landed save and unburnt some street away infront of a Police officer on the pavement.
Thinking of it, also in the Paris and Nizza attacks passports of the attackers where found.

update:
21:26
two suspects have been arrested
21:37
an hour ago a driver at a Police checkpoint drove over two officers and broke through the checkpoint (in the North / Sant Just Desvern). No Information about the health of the two officers.
23.00 (german time)
Police confirmes that the driver that drove over two officers at a checkpoint has been shot. The Police did not confirm that this event and the truck attack are related.
23.12
None of the arrested persons was the Driver of the truck. Police states.
update 2
The Minister of internal affairs speaks of more than 100 injured.

The Chief of Police said that there was an explosion in a house in catalonia yesterday in which where was one person killed. This is supposed to be linked to the attack in Barcelona today.

[Patient]

RE passports; I just wanted to bring this thought because like other people, as soon as I read that the passports were found in the van I thought the same.

However, upon thinking like a person who is in another country with their passport; when you travel into another country, where are you comfortable leaving your passport? In my experience, when I am in another country I always want to have my passport with me. Thinking from the perspective of being in another country planning to break the law, if you changed your mind and wanted to flee out of the country, you would need your passport. It is very possible that the terrorists abandon their passports at the last possible moment before they commit their atrocities.

I just think we can't let the fact that the passports are easily found to be proof of anything except that they are the possible passports. They needed them to get into the country, and they might need them for something again if they change their plans. But, if they are residents of that country, then I would be suspicious of finding the passports in that manner.

[betoobig]

RE passports; I just wanted to bring this thought because like other people, as soon as I read that the passports were found in the van I thought the same.

However, upon thinking like a person who is in another country with their passport; when you travel into another country, where are you comfortable leaving your passport? In my experience, when I am in another country I always want to have my passport with me. Thinking from the perspective of being in another country planning to break the law, if you changed your mind and wanted to flee out of the country, you would need your passport. It is very possible that the terrorists abandon their passports at the last possible moment before they commit their atrocities.

I just think we can't let the fact that the passports are easily found to be proof of anything except that they are the possible passports. They needed them to get into the country, and they might need them for something again if they change their plans. But, if they are residents of that country, then I would be suspicious of finding the passports in that manner.

come on! If you plan to do something like this you have a plan to get out, through airport or train, you can leave the passport in any security cage at those places, or , how about your own pocket?
This is one more false flag attack and we know it. Plus, part of the people from Cataluña are screaming for their independence from Madrid. To me Barcelona is being choosed as the place to attack, probably by our own goberment who surely knew about this was going to happen. Now our goberment has people asking for more security....thus cutting our freedome even farder.WE know here who Isis is and who does support it.
Of course i send love to the victims and beloved ones, but noone talks in my country about Yemen, for example.
No fear.
I whish the truth pours out big time....**** hitting the fan all over NOW!
Much love

[TargeT]

upon thinking like a person who is in another country with their passport; when you travel into another country, where are you comfortable leaving your passport?


they have found the passports in the van used in the attack. Everyone was asking why do they always leave behind their passports? Man is a Spanish resident but actually Moroccan.


Sounds like (I haven't verified, but I'm sure sunwings is more up to date on this info than I) he was a resident of spain.. so this take on the situation is sort of nullified.

[Froddo]

Sorry for nor translating the link to English.... in summary... it's other false flag operation (from my point of view not related with neither the "official" Spanish government nor the independence (and very manipulated) issue.

http://www.rafapal.com/a-las-19-horas-encuentran-el-pasaporte-del-terrorista-atropellador-en-barcelona-cuanto-tiempo-falta-para-que-le-maten/

[Eric J (Viking)]

Second terror attack in Spain at coastal resort of Cambrils...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/18/barcelona-terror-attack-cambrils-las-ramblas-latest/

Viking

[sandy]

Condolences to you and your fellow citizens sunwings. May the Family and Friends of all the victims be given support and love as they deal with their sorrow and loss.


As a Barcelona Resident this is very distressing. Watching the news roll in on the local Catalan news, and they have just announced, that they have found the passports in the van used in the attack. Everyone was asking why do they always leave behind their passports? Man is a Spanish resident but actually Moroccan.

Only six months ago I told a class full of students any attack in Barcelona will be a speeding van going down La Rambla. It´s the copycat of Nice, France attack. Watch them put up bollards tomorrow, just sadly a day too late.

[Star Tsar]

The Richie Allen Show

"The Live Reporting Of The Barcelona Attack Was Very Strange, Even Bizarre."

Published 17th August 2017

Richie points out the weirdness in the reporting of this incident....

6yJ0VfHdlRE

[Mister ET]

Strange days have found us. Strange days have tracked us down. They're going to destroy our casual joys. We shall go on playing or find a new town.

[EFO]

come on! If you plan to do something like this you have a plan to get out, through airport or train, you can leave the passport in any security cage at those places, or , how about your own pocket?
This is one more false flag attack and we know it. Plus, part of the people from Cataluña are screaming for their independence from Madrid. To me Barcelona is being choosed as the place to attack, probably by our own goberment who surely knew about this was going to happen. Now our goberment has people asking for more security....thus cutting our freedome even farder.WE know here who Isis is and who does support it.
Of course i send love to the victims and beloved ones, but noone talks in my country about Yemen, for example.
No fear.
I whish the truth pours out big time....**** hitting the fan all over NOW!
Much love

Amazingly vert well pointed!

Sorry for everyone affected in any sense.

This has started some time ago when Catalonia request its independence.
Then the "movie" started:
1-US secret services warned Spanish authorities that will be terrorist attacks in Spain;
2-Immigrants came suddenly on Spanish beach about two weeks ago;
from bbc and rt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boon6MkE7UI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY2gjcJzx1Q
3-Terrorist attacks happened;
4-Claims from ISIS (paid by US tax payers via three letters US agencies);
5-Truly hopefully the end of Spanish episode and be at least the end of entire European series.

This were the answer:
- for Catalonia for its request for independence
- for France that "they" want Macron on throne
- for British if they change the plans about Brexit
- for Germany that they must keep there the refugees as an endless punishment for "wars".
Did I missed somebody?


viking
Staged?
Always


sunwings
Only six months ago I told a class full of students any attack in Barcelona will be a speeding van going down La Rambla. It´s the copycat of Nice, France attack. Watch them put up bollards tomorrow, just sadly a day too late.
Foreseen?Surely yes.


Daozen
It's like a bad detective movie or a Scooby Doo plot. I guess so the police can later confirm they were bearded men of Middle-eastern origin, clutching a copy of the Koran and shouting Allah Ackbar.
Very funny but very sad in the same time."They" think we are stupid.


Wind
Seems like that's how intelligence operations work. Or does anyone believe that ISIS is really this organized? And with all of the mass surveillance how cannot the governments stop these kind of terror attacks? They are happening all the time now, it's like a pattern which keeps on repeating.
Answering to your second question:because both parties involved have mutual interest.

In Romania we have a saying:God forbids you when hot polenta is exploding.Its worst than s**t hitting the fan.

[Wind]

Yesterday there was a suspected terror attack too here in Finland, right after the Barcelona attack.

[EFO]

Yesterday there was a suspected terror attack too here in Finland, right after the Barcelona attack.

There will be always somewhere an aftermath,just to keep people under certain pressure for "their" sadistic pleasure.

[Caliban]

Strange days have found us. Strange days have tracked us down. They're going to destroy our casual joys. We shall go on playing or find a new town.

Thanks for that Jim Morrison quote. He knew what was coming, strange days indeed.

Stay strong Spaniards--and balanced. God speed.

[Molly4US]

As a Barcelona Resident this is very distressing. Watching the news roll in on the local Catalan news, and they have just announced, that they have found the passports in the van used in the attack. Everyone was asking why do they always leave behind their passports? Man is a Spanish resident but actually Moroccan.

Only six months ago I told a class full of students any attack in Barcelona will be a speeding van going down La Rambla. It´s the copycat of Nice, France attack. Watch them put up bollards tomorrow, just sadly a day too late.

Perhaps the terrorists psyche believes that the other terrorists who preceded himself was prescribed by their god to follow a certain pattern and procedure, so if that was how Allah wanted it the one time, then Allah would want it way again, in a copycat killing.

[Molly4US]

they have just announced, that they have found the passports in the van used in the attack. Everyone was asking why do they always leave behind their passports?

Why indeed...

That's probably the last thing I would take with me on a tactical maneuver, that makes me question the whole thing.

TargeT, the last part of your statement is very ambiguous to me. Do you mind elaborating on, "question the whole thing"?

[Molly4US]

Ha. Passports. Sorry for anyone in Barcelona, I know its traumatizing, I lived through many "terrorist' attacks in London, and a couple in Taiwan. But finding the passports conveniently laid out on the back of the van? It's like a bad detective movie or a Scooby Doo plot. I guess so the police can later confirm they were bearded men of Middle-eastern origin, clutching a copy of the Koran and shouting Allah Ackbar.

Why would anyone take a passport to a terrorist bombing?


Okay, maybe I have one of their concepts of why they do it. I have noticed that the ones who do it to me usually use puns as if it is funny, that their assaults are a mere joke. So, in keeping with the concept of puns think of what we would say if an intruder were to enter our home and leave something behind: We would say, "He left his calling card." These terrorists do believe that jihad is their calling by Allah. Also, I have found that terrorists like to exhibit, they want others like themselves to copy and follow after them; otherwise, they may surmise that they have died in vain. So, another theory is that these guys must have already been sure that there was a group of people they knew who were willing to follow. Think of how a full bottle of shampoo looks when you gently turn it upended......there is an air bubble which rises to the top. The air bubble pushes upward, pushing shampoo away on both sides. There is a leading curved edge whose inertia draws and pulls the bolus. Just something figurative to examine possible shapes, and formats for their procedures. I have noticed from terrorists around here that they use household objects and types of melons and such to illustrate their tactics so as to instill it in kenetic and visual learning in addition to the verbal and written. I believe that that makes their groomers who teach in that way appear to the followers as more spiritual, and that the objects used in the metaphoric illustrations to be even created by Allah for the purpose of teaching them these tactics. Just a thought.

[Molly4US]

The Richie Allen Show

"The Live Reporting Of The Barcelona Attack Was Very Strange, Even Bizarre."

Published 17th August 2017

Richie points out the weirdness in the reporting of this incident....

6yJ0VfHdlRE

We should never forget that Aljazeera and other networks can intercept legitimate news broadcasts to have us hear a manifesto read to us, or a hate-America script read by an American hostage at gun-point....these used to be occurrances which we could immediately recognize as interruptions into our own 5pm and 6pm ABC or CBS news broadcasts decades ago (PLO and Osama bin Laden in the past). Now they would have far more sophisticated technology which would make their intercept into our broadcasts less detectable and less realizable, thus their propaganda would be much more potent. That is what I think I am getting a lot of. Or maybe it is just my computer. But also crank calls lately too.

[Molly4US]

Strange days have found us. Strange days have tracked us down. They're going to destroy our casual joys. We shall go on playing or find a new town.


That is a pretty poem, Mister ET. I sure feel that way too, but how long can that continue to happen, moving away from violence and not addressing it? If only it were as simple as moving from a "bad neighborhood". The real picture is more like the poetry from this Bruce Springstein song: "No retreat Baby, No surrender."

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RE passports; I just wanted to bring this thought because like other people, as soon as I read that the passports were found in the van I thought the same.

However, upon thinking like a person who is in another country with their passport; when you travel into another country, where are you comfortable leaving your passport? In my experience, when I am in another country I always want to have my passport with me. Thinking from the perspective of being in another country planning to break the law, if you changed your mind and wanted to flee out of the country, you would need your passport. It is very possible that the terrorists abandon their passports at the last possible moment before they commit their atrocities.

I just think we can't let the fact that the passports are easily found to be proof of anything except that they are the possible passports. They needed them to get into the country, and they might need them for something again if they change their plans. But, if they are residents of that country, then I would be suspicious of finding the passports in that manner.

come on! If you plan to do something like this you have a plan to get out, through airport or train, you can leave the passport in any security cage at those places, or , how about your own pocket?
This is one more false flag attack and we know it. Plus, part of the people from Cataluña are screaming for their independence from Madrid. To me Barcelona is being choosed as the place to attack, probably by our own goberment who surely knew about this was going to happen. Now our goberment has people asking for more security....thus cutting our freedome even farder.WE know here who Isis is and who does support it.
Of course i send love to the victims and beloved ones, but noone talks in my country about Yemen, for example.
No fear.
I whish the truth pours out big time....**** hitting the fan all over NOW!
Much love

Hello, betoobig, I am interested in Yemen. What are the things you wish Spain would tell about Yemen on the news?

[Matisse]

Regarding the passports... One of the main ideas behind terrorist attacks is they want people to know who did it... it's sort of the whole point... so what better way than leave your passport....
I was there... i work on the ramblas... and there was nothing false about the terror i saw... as to who is responsible? It seems IS oriented... but remember the cia originally funded the IS to
destabilize Syria, so in the end they are responsable for the mess we are in...

[betoobig]

Strange days have found us. Strange days have tracked us down. They're going to destroy our casual joys. We shall go on playing or find a new town.


That is a pretty poem, Mister ET. I sure feel that way too, but how long can that continue to happen, moving away from violence and not addressing it? If only it were as simple as moving from a "bad neighborhood". The real picture is more like the poetry from this Bruce Springstein song: "No retreat Baby, No surrender."

¤=[Post Update]=¤



RE passports; I just wanted to bring this thought because like other people, as soon as I read that the passports were found in the van I thought the same.

However, upon thinking like a person who is in another country with their passport; when you travel into another country, where are you comfortable leaving your passport? In my experience, when I am in another country I always want to have my passport with me. Thinking from the perspective of being in another country planning to break the law, if you changed your mind and wanted to flee out of the country, you would need your passport. It is very possible that the terrorists abandon their passports at the last possible moment before they commit their atrocities.

I just think we can't let the fact that the passports are easily found to be proof of anything except that they are the possible passports. They needed them to get into the country, and they might need them for something again if they change their plans. But, if they are residents of that country, then I would be suspicious of finding the passports in that manner.

come on! If you plan to do something like this you have a plan to get out, through airport or train, you can leave the passport in any security cage at those places, or , how about your own pocket?
This is one more false flag attack and we know it. Plus, part of the people from Cataluña are screaming for their independence from Madrid. To me Barcelona is being choosed as the place to attack, probably by our own goberment who surely knew about this was going to happen. Now our goberment has people asking for more security....thus cutting our freedome even farder.WE know here who Isis is and who does support it.
Of course i send love to the victims and beloved ones, but noone talks in my country about Yemen, for example.
No fear.
I whish the truth pours out big time....**** hitting the fan all over NOW!
Much love

Hello, betoobig, I am interested in Yemen. What are the things you wish Spain would tell about Yemen on the news?

The US just bombed Yemen, and no one's talking about it
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/15/us-bombed-yemen-middle-east-conflict
for example.
Much love

[betoobig]

We´ll see very clear who takes rentaviliti out of this situation. Remember Agost is the month for their war games to speed up, or the month to start new wars.
We here also know the world haven´t been a safer place than now, fact checked. All is well.

[Spiral]

They say a picture can say more than a thousand words, so here are two....

http://new.euro-med.dk/wp-content/uploads/Atta.png

http://www.laplumeagratter.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Linstrumentalisation-du-fondamentalisme-islamique-une-constante-de-l%C3%A9tat-profond-am%C3%A9ricain-et-de-la-CIA.jpg

The fake bomb vests are a simple way of getting rid of anyone that might say something that shouldn't be heard eh ?

Good mix of the victims nationalities to ensure headlines around the world too.

Five in ONE car ? Oh come on :facepalm: