The Paranormal Code: Why Psychics Aren't Real, & Wilcock's Brakes?

[ParanormalCode]

Good Day Project Avalon Members

Here's the link to the show https://soundcloud.com/psnradio/the-paranormal-code-psychics-who-are-these-people-08-20-2017

My name is Rich Giordano and I am host of The Paranormal Code on www.psn-radio.com. Some of you are probably familiar with the show through UFONAUT Radio or Skywatchers Radio on the same network. For those of you who may recognize my name I used to host The AZ UFO Show and was the first show calling out every liar and hoaxer. I had a reputation for being a jerk because I told the truth. How's that even a reality? You know the answer why I would be hated so I brought the innovative show and its evil truthful ways back to www.psn-radio.com and the truth keeps pouring out of me. I despise people like Corey Goode & his little friend David Wilcock. It's as if Jaime Maussan had two illegitimate sons with an American woman and trained them how to tell a lie as if it was the truth.

I hate all hoaxers really. Tonight's show is about psychics. Why people like them and why people hate them. Some new ideas about the afterlife and the possibility to plan your own future? Find out why I don't like psychics.

There's a few sightings out there I can't explain,...yet.

Also tonight, the Eclipse is tomorrow! What does this mean for the End of Days? No one is talking EOD and that scares me. When they talk about it nothing happens so if the opposite is true then tomorrow should be more than the Eclipse.

I hope to give you the truth like you've never heard it. I am NOT your father's ufology or paranormal show. Trust me on that. I'll mess hoaxers up!

Rich Giordano
Facebook.com/paranormalcode

The Paranormal Code is on Sunday Nights 10pm est/7pm pst www.psn-radio.com and simulcast on KTLK The Fringe FM

[Blacklight43]

Thanks and welcome to PA.

[RunningDeer]

Welcome to Avalon, Rich. For future reference, it's helpful to add the direct link (http://www.psn-radio.com/sundays/paranormalcode/), rather than pan-radio.com (http://www.psn-radio.com). :thumb:

Hey say hello to Angel. :wave:

[EFO]

There's a few sightings out there I can't explain,...yet.

Like?

Warm welcome.
Subscribed on you tube.Notification on.

[Bill Ryan]

Find out why I don't like psychics.

Hi there, and a warm welcome to the forum. :thumbsup:

Maybe a gentler word to use might be why you don't trust psychics. 'Don't like' are two quite strong words. Some psychics, however silly their claimed information may be, may be very nice people who are totally sincere.

And some psychics are real. For sure. But, certainly not all. Telling the difference is the real challenge.

[Clear Light]

Ah, now, I don't want to read too much into your words "Why Psychics Aren't Real" but surely, isn't categorically denying such "abilities" (if it's what you're implying) also denying the very real Human Capacities of Empathy and Intuition too eh ?

Because aren't they all kind-of like related to each other in a sense ...


http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-the-right-to-be-heard-does-not-automatically-include-the-right-to-be-taken-seriously-hubert-humphrey-89504.jpg

[mojo]

There's a few sightings out there I can't explain,...yet.

..filmed a nice triangle recently and offer a look see... it has unusual properties..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vGIpZY5RyY
this was the follow up to highlight the unusual looks...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08vcYOhZkBI

[conk]

My ex-wife was psychic. 100% sure of that. She was scared of her abilities and prayed daily that they would diminish. She did not exploit or use her skills and few knew about her uniqueness. No one will ever convince me that psychics aren't real. As I think about it, perhaps a definition of psychic is necessary here. There are many abilities that could be lumped into the classification. So, to clarify, the ex was intuitive, could remotely view, and could travel out of body.

[Tam]

Hello,

I'm a bit confused. How can you write off psychic phenomena as a whole, yet you speak of EOD as if it's a given fact. How can you pretense to be an advocate for truth, when you think so highly of yourself? Pardon me if I come off as a bit rude, but in my frank opinion, hard lines, hatred, and ego are just as damaging to all esoteric fields as is waxing poetic without a shred of evidence. Perhaps it's because I am not familiar with your work, but it seems as if you have some cognitive dissonance at work. You advertise your show, without really going into detail about your stance on psychics, beyond merely not liking them. Why don't you like them? What convinces you that people like Corey Goode are full of it, hoaxers, yet you insinuate the eclipse is a harbinger of the apocalypse? I don't mean to be aggressive, but a more intellectual, rationally critical approach to this would be more appreciated.

[ParanormalCode]

Thank you for the reply. Maybe I could use the word trust instead of not like but I really do not like people who make money as a psychic but aren't psychic. I have personal reasons why I don't like them and that's part of my life in my podcast that I speak of and share on my show. I would use the word trust but I just don't like them and haven't met a real one who can prove their ability to me. I've tried. Although I respect what you say, I however, do not like psychics that make a living without being psychic. I just won't waver from this. Thank you, Rich

[ParanormalCode]

I respect what you wrote but I've never met a psychic that's real. To learn more about why you'd have to listen to my show. I don't have a lot of time to get into detail but I did explain why I do not like psychics. Corey Goode and friends have no proof. Never show proof. I have been in this field with over 180,000 hours of sky watching and thousands of hours ghost hunting and over 900 shows where I interviewed everyone popular in the fields of research. I am hardcore and I don't take lightly people who make great claims yet have a shred of proof to back it up. Psychics are not real. I know for a fact. Why? Because I thought I was psychic at one point in my life but what a psychic really does is play off people's emotions and are very, very good at reading people. Believe me, I've done my research. If I say I do not like psychics it's because I can back it up with verifiable evidence they are fake. You can call me names, be rude to me and even hate me because I know the truth and I would never say something about anyone unless I find it to be true. Besides, when I posted my show it's for people to find out why I hate hoaxers by listening. I'm not going into detail here and now for an ad post for my show. You'd have to listen to find out. Or not! Thank you, Rich

[Bill Ryan]

Psychics are not real. I know for a fact.

Thanks, but that's kind of a problematic statement. Others may 'know' different things. :)

Is there room for a discussion here, and an exchange of views and experiences? Why are you here on the forum? It seems you may be here simply to proselytize.

You may be in the wrong virtual conference here, if your views are rigid. (And, forgive me if I'm wrong, but also apparently quite hostile in some ways.)

Some psychics are frauds, for sure. But I and MANY others have had experiences that we would strongly attest are utterly real. Besides personal experience, there's also the very well-established military RV program (which is still extant to this day, augmented by hypnosis, electronics, and drugs. I have that in writing from a senior CIA doctor).

And if you're also throwing out past-life recall and all UFO sightings (though that's a very big basket of totally unrelated stuff!) — then we really do have a problem. If you're a hard-nosed debunker of everything that could be called paranormal, rather than someone who's simply asking smart questions, as we all should... then you may be talking to the wrong group of friends here.

[Shadowself]

I think it depends on what you describe as psychic. There is a physics to it that many can't fathom.

Precognition being a very form of that physics. Now you can do plenty of research to discover fraudulent behavior. But for some they don't need to prove what they already know to be true and evident with in fact proof...they just don't advertise themselves as such.

[Carmody]

The first post came off as fundamentally off and the second post confirmed his intellectual dishonesty.

This is a ****storm of illiteracy that comes on like a freight train and this forum should have nothing to do with this guy. His very wording in all of it illustrates that he's looking to force conformation of his view no matter what anyone else says or does.

No matter his innocence or guilt in potentially being a vehicle, the reality is in his using the Corey Goode story as a vehicle to stab at the functional aspects of the non-mainstream view of reality.

This guy should be avoided at all junctures. Just another vehicle for culling, he is.

Likened to Icke's "problem, reaction, solution" game, where the solution is brought on line to fix the created problem...and this solution...it goes right after the very thing you are trying to protect, evolve, and open to the public mind..

He's using the public emotion and lack of discernment to wipe out as much as he can, of any of the functional aspects of the psychic and multidimensional phenomena.

The entire forum and all written on it counter his projections based in illiteracy. His projections are things that seem -to those who do not discern the complexities- to follow logical premise... but fail to have functional anchor points in the real world of cutting edge works which are far better argued.

He is illustrating he has a uneducated level of lopsided information and knows nothing about entirety of the field..and that field... would invalidate his position in a heartbeat. Since the audience is the same in their lack of knowledge of the field, he looks like an expert, who tells them what their fears and desires, as projections..what those fears and desires want to be real.

He's building a case for those held captive by his seeming systems of logic, which are entrenched in simplistic forms of logic and fears as a method of entrainment.

I just had an hour long phone conversation with someone on this very subject on using lesser levels of logic as a method to emotionally entrain those who cannot or won't fully commit to discernment in difficult subjects, and how they align themselves via the illiteracy and projected fears. This surface logic technique of bending deeper realities.. has always been a potent weapon against a more complex truth.

Suffice it to say, reading the books in the bibliography of even one chapter, any chapter..of Lynn McTaggarts book, 'The Field', would completely crush is position, in a multitude of ways. But he's wiring his position and argument to not encompass enough of the field of the situation, for the true and full field...to be able to prove it's self.

This common technique is a trick of remaining in emotional connection to that audience and remaining on the surface- a surface with a purposely limited reach. This was the Amazing Randi's group and their techniques. To remain forceful and mean, to maintain entrainment in the group, to never go into the situation in the real and actual more complex detail, as that would strip their position of even a shred of validity.

In the book 'the field' in any given chapter, we can find the studies done by many hundreds of scientists and theoreticians, people with multiple degrees, extreme high IQ's .,most of them with many major studies and accolades in their given CV's.. CV's and people that can easily b researched and some of the people involved even be called up and spoken with. These scientists find themselves proving to even the most vile and illiterate skeptic, that psychic phenomena are very much valid.. in valid in ways so potent that no known form of logic can sidestep or dismiss this truth.

This dismissal, circumvention and infiltration system...is psychology 101 techniques for clandestine forces from agencies or the hands of oligarchy. Pushed form behind the curtain, or the given black budget of someone or something.

Like Cory Goode could be innocent of direct knowing involvement (but still wholly out to lunch) but used ...this guy could be innocent (but vicious, mean and forced) and simply used.

Whatever the nature of it, a stabbing is stabbing, no matter the premise or backstory.

Watch to see who and what supports him, financially or otherwise...with his 'product placement'.

This will tell you everything you need to know.

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Quantum strangeness, for example, has JUST been found to work in MACRO objects. Ok... MACRO objects are exhibiting spooky action at a distance. And, in the famous slit experiment where it could be one or two going though the slit, we had simple human eyeball observation even 'out of time context', causing the particle to reliably be split in two or be as one. Wave particle differentials as an act of human observation (no touching, no interacting outside of eye observation, etc). All potential avenues for dismissing the results are also covered, so no 'but' statements, those have all been dealt with. These are scientists, they confirm the experiments to utter perfection within the rules of science. All avenues for argument of the results, are covered, by other peer reviewed studies, ad infinum, all studies are listed. See for yourself. Science is in 100%, 110%, 150% acceptance of the fundamentals that form the grouped phenomena of 'psychic experiences'.

So where does this idiot get off? He gets off on entraning you into his projected ignorance? Wait, isn't that just what science said about the wave particle slit experiment, that remote entrainment or, in essence, anything you project, can be made to be real?

That is what the hardcore scientific experiments by the literal hundreds have shown to be real and the listing of them all can be found in the book 'the field'. Go look yourself, proof is given in all ways possible to dispute. All.

Of course, this news of the macro showing spooky action at a distance is in the mainstream physics news press, but very very few will ever look. It's people like Lynn McTaggart who put these stories together. Or like me, the kind of people who actually bother to look at the field and it's limits and can put the whole story together into a cohesive whole. (https://phys.org/news/2017-08-massive-particles-standard-quantum-theory.html)

I could easily add 100-200-300 more just like this one single story from just a few days ago.

David wilcock's books are based on the same well researched, well documented and verifiable data sets. How he managed to get caught up on the Corey goode thing, is, well a big shame ...as the first two books are coherent and accurate, for the greater part.

[Bill Ryan]

Lynne McTaggart's book, The Field

Yes, that's excellent. I read it back in 2001 when it very first came out. Sober, well-written, grounded, and very detailed.


https://amazon.com/Field-Quest-Secret-Force-Universe/dp/006143518X

There are so many scholarly books to refer to, it's hard to know where to start. Jim Marrs' very well-known Psi Spies: The True Story of America's Psychic Warfare Program is an excellent textbook (and history book!) about how seriously the US military took, and still takes, this aspect of intelligence gathering:


https://amazon.com/PSI-Spies-Americas-Psychic-Warfare/dp/1564149609

A book not referenced much nowadays, but of the very highest quality, is Supernature, by Lyall Watson. That's from back in the 1970s. I'd very, very highly recommend it. A classic.


https://amazon.com/Supernature-Lyall-Watson/dp/0340173688

I met personally with Dr Hal Puthoff for two full days back in 2006, and talked with him (among many other things!) about his pioneering CIA-funded Remote Viewing work at the Stanford Research Institute back in the 70s with Ingo Swann, Uri Geller, et al.

Project Camelot was launched a few months after that meeting, and I begged Hal to allow us to interview him: but he very politely declined. A 3-hour Camelot interview with him would have been really quite something.

I liked Hal enormously, and got on with him very well. I still have a standing invitation from him for coffee if ever I were to pass by the Institute For Advanced Studies at Austin, Texas.

The stories he told — about how he and Russell Targ pretty much wrestled with Uri Geller to keep him under control and tried to replicate all the astonishing things that spontaneously happened, but under laboratory conditions — were pure entertainment.

Enough. Anyone who insists that psychic phenomena aren't real might have quite a bunch of reading and listening to do. :)

[Rich]

Whats the big deal if someone doesn't believe in psychics? He seems to be the opposite of those believing everything they read without thinking critical, I think it would do us well to use more logic. Not sure if its the right way to come here advertising your show without engaging in discussion?
Conk, I wouldn't consider OOB or remote viewing psychic abilities, I think psychic abilities have more to do with reading someones mind or being able to use the pendelum accurately.

[Bill Ryan]

I think psychic abilities have more to do with reading someone's mind or being able to use the pendulum accurately.

Well, it's a pretty loose term. It's often also called simply 'psi'. Off the top of my head, that can encompass


Telepathy
Precognition
Remote viewing (called 'clairvoyance' 50 years ago)
Telekinesis
Spontaneous non-physical healing of others.

Other things like dowsing, 'psychic reading', communication with discarnate entities, one's own subjective past-life recall, etc, may be subsets of those. (Sort of!)

[Spiral]

IMO the thing with psychics VS debunkers is "will" wins out, very often we have seen examples of very ordinary uneducated psychics being debunked by far cleverer & far more educated "debunkers" (or so called "skeptics") or even people playing it both ways like (imo) Derren Brown, who I suspect is highly psychic but plays the genius & science card to "debunk" weaker psychics.

What I mean is it's like the double slit experiment, only the strongest will decides how things manifest in a group, so if you put a weak willed psychic in a situation with a stronger willed "skeptic", the skeptics will wins out & that "reality" is the one that manifests or is confirmed.


https://plus.maths.org/content/physics-minute-double-slit-experiment-0

[turiya]

Ingo Swann The Man Who
Started Remote Viewing part 1 of 7
(Published on Feb 12, 2010)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wm1RNZkqZI
Published on Feb 12, 2010

This is the guy who started it all. He was the real deal hired by the CIA because of this abilities.
This was his last public appearance. He is retired. Joe Capp UFO Media Matter
Post this week : "UFOs:In The Heat Of The Night" take a journey with me and some scientist while we have our minds blown. Night Vision quest. http://ufomedia.blogspot.com



http://www.wanttoknow.info/ufos/penetration.ingo_swann.pdf

[turiya]

Remote viewing has been around for thousands of years... In the Vedas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedas) of ancient India you will find references to 'seers', also called rishes, sages, etc...

https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrinknp_200_200/p/3/000/041/26a/1b5f488.jpg
Khurshed Batliwala's classroom lecture (below), as he has some interesting things to say regarding some things that the ancient rishis had discovered through the meditative process - the basis of science being spirituality. This, of course, flys in the face of the scientific method, which had denied in the past that something like consciousness exists, due to the lack of material evidence. Quantum physics is now in the process of catching up with the ancients.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG-P94UaN6s

[Ewan]

I think the majority would agree that hoaxers are very dishonest people, irresponsible and even dangerous. The fact that such people exist though cannot be extended to mean that everyone claiming psychic abilities is some kind of charlatan.
My own experiences have led to me personally meeting two people that definitely had phsychic abilities, and I know of a third with whom I have communicated though not physically met.

I read an interesting quote a month or so back that was sufficiently good for me to jot down.

"One sure mark of a fool is someone that dismisses anything outside their experience as being impossible." The key perhaps is keeping an open mind and not deciding after 'x' amount of contrary information that a case can be closed.

[Nasu]

I think the majority would agree that hoaxers are very dishonest people, irresponsible and even dangerous. The fact that such people exist though cannot be extended to mean that everyone claiming psychic abilities is some kind of charlatan.
My own experiences have led to me personally meeting two people that definitely had phsychic abilities, and I know of a third with whom I have communicated though not physically met.

I read an interesting quote a month or so back that was sufficiently good for me to jot down.

"One sure mark of a fool is someone that dismisses anything outside their experience as being impossible." The key perhaps is keeping an open mind and not deciding after 'x' amount of contrary information that a case can be closed.

I agree, one doesn't always equal another. The fact that there are fakers and forgers does not mean that everyone is a fake or a forgery.

I have no such "powers" but had an interesting personal experience that has made me think hard about what I thought I knew. When I was a boy, many many moons ago, a friend of mine claimed to have clairvoyant powers. He claimed that he had seen the future and he had two predictions, the first being that Prince Charles would never become king. At the time he had just married Lady Diana and all seemed very rosy, all in all a very unlikely prophesy. The second one had me in stitches, that Arnold Schwarzenegger would one day become president of the United States of America, again at the time I had just watched one of his action movies the week before and that seemed extremely unlikely.

All this time later and look how the path has twisted toward his prophesy coming true. Charles and Camilla are not liked very much, there is already talk of the crown skipping him to his popular son William. Arnold married into the Kennedy family and became governor of the largest state in the union, the campaign to change the constitution so that he could become president began ten years ago...

Clearly not very scientific proof of the Paranormal, but for me, it's evidence of more than I can perceive going on and being perceived by other more gifted souls.

The larger point of this post is that when we have an opinion, a very fixed opinion, we craft the evidence to fit our world view, often in-spite of valid scientific evidence. We have seen that in religion over the past few thousand years.

I hope new members don't confuse our distaste for Corey's lack of evidence or our amusement at David's ridiculously self centered drama queen behavior, to think that we discount everything out of hand.

Welcome to the forum. There are more things in heaven and earth, ParanormalCode, Than are dream't of in your philosophy....x.... N

[Mike]

i've had quite a few psychic readings. they've all been pretty bad.

still, i instinctually want to refute the O.P.'s suggestion, but i can't do that with any kind of conviction. i'd be denying my personal experience. i swore off psychic readings a long time ago, and only relented recently because of some 30 pages of positive testimonial about one particular psychic...only to be duped yet again. my fault. shoulda stuck to my intuition about such things.

i've never seen a ghost either.

or a ufo.

i'm quite sure they exist, however. i like to think that good psychics do too. the only difference is that i never paid the equivalent cost of a modest 4 door sedan to see a ghost or a ufo. so..my experience with psychics is colored with this bitterness.

my feeling is that the world was once full of psychics. maybe everyone was psychic. my feeling is that these psychics were hugely gifted and easily able to give 'readings' with near total accuracy. the so called psychics we see today are likely the severely watered down versions of their much more talented ancestors. maybe we were all 'gods' once, maybe we've all regressed in this fashion. it's likely so.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I once said to a skeptic:

"No, no, you have it wrong.
I don't believe in things that I can't see.
I believe in things that YOU can't see."

There are people who can experience reality in a different way than what we consider normal. This can take many forms and manifest in very different ways. The problem with many "psychics" is that they have no training. They can't tell the difference between what they see and their interpretation of it. They delude themselves the same as anyone else. Many fall into the delusion that they have special wisdom. I've spoken before about how to tell what is what. Many people can access information, but cannot distinguish between what is real information and what is themselves. Or even know to bother.

[Bill Ryan]

i've had quite a few psychic readings. they've all been pretty bad.

I've had some terrible ones, too. But also one or two that have completely knocked me off my feet.


I once said to a skeptic:

"No, no, you have it wrong.
I don't believe in things that I can't see.
I believe in things that YOU can't see."

That's just great. I'm going to write that down. :)

[transiten]

I have had sessions with 5 different psychics who were right on the spot. The detailes of mine and my fathers and mothers life could not be read in my silence and face since the medium asked me to just say no if it didnt ring the bell.

I don't have the energy to tell what these mediums have said but they are really trustworthy. This doesn't mean there aren't hoaxers out there, I met one many yeras ago so I can tell the difference.

[ortizrealstonegroundcorn]

I was exposed to psychic people only in the last few years in my life so far. (I am 48 years old) I sort of knew there were unusual phenomena when I was growing up, but always associated them with horror movies or something evil. There have been occasional odd coincidences in my life, sometimes even something that seemed very much like telekinetic activity when I was particularly under a great deal of stress. The first person I may have met that demonstrated psi ability might be Preston Nichols, former lead scientist of the Montauk Project. He told me he can do things such as remote viewing but never talks about it. He has indirectly demonstrated telekinetic abilities to me. Also, I've recently had an interesting private reading from psychic detective Noreen Renier, who used to work with the FBI. I also met this older couple who said they had been long-time abductees of grey aliens, who they claimed helped them develop psi abilities and reach a state of being called enlightenment.

The husband of the older couple said many of these hoaxers were once people with genuine abilities, but then they lost those abilities but were addicted to the fame power and money that comes with it, so they pretended that they still had abilities, so continue to receive these rewards. The consistent problem of proving psi is that it almost has never been a repeatable phenomenon, demonstrable-on-demand, manifesting at will; something that happens usually rarely and seemingly randomly without apparent explanation.

As to the reality of psi, I'm leaning toward believing in it, because even though I haven't seen it outright demonstrated in front of my eyes with the cameras rolling (to verify my own witness), I have personally experienced unusual things myself. Also, reading books by / articles / videos about people like Ingo Swann supports the idea that he was a real living individual with genuine abilities, and that psi is universally present in everybody to some degree.

People who are under the burden of having to prove others about the reality of psi have a more difficult task to achieve than people who merely want to convince themselves by personal experiences or witness. I've read that people who aren't ready to accept such possibility will not be convinced no matter how much evidence is presented to them.

Ingo Swann points out that when we're talking about psi abilities, we're talking about power, which is something that can cause both solutions and problems [depending on how it is used].

The older couple especially the wife, is very philosophical / religious, and said it's better not to focus on power but on enlightenment (peace / truth) instead, because power is temporary. She said you naturally will experience various [psi] abilities on your path to enlightenment (a/k/a self-realization), but not to get too focused on power because enlightenment is the only way out of suffering (i.e. pursuit of power is a trap). The way she seems to describe enlightenment is this awareness that develops, that nothing in reality is outside of, or separate from, oneself, that reality is INSIDE oneself, and that all things are made of mind / consciousness. We create our own reality and our own suffering. There is no duality / separation. That no matter how seemingly horrible the circumstances one is in, one can change one's perspective so that nothing is intolerable. Those who we label as "enemies" are just projections of ourselves. You see what you expect to see, so by changing your expectations, you change your view of reality, and thus change reality itself. Sounds rather new-agey, or Hindu/Buddhist, yes?

The above idea is what I find more unbelievable than the existence of psi. This is what I wonder whether it's real or not. But what I've read about psi and enlightenment seems to point in this direction. It's certainly contrary to the conventional idea that reality exists independently of the self, the world is dangerous, and that one needs to constantly determine whether others are friends or foes, to survive.

[Fairy Friend]

I am a believer that all people are psychic. Just like any other profession there are some more gifted than others and techniques that improve the craft. Just as there are Good mechanics, bad mechanics and shady ones too. I listened to your show and feel you have several misconceptions about psychics only reading people. Some of us save lives. Some of us cure diseases. Some of us make fortunes. Some of us read for presidents (they go to astrologers too). Or know the ones who are changing the world.
Also just FYI. Humans have as many hairs as the great apes do. We are not hairless, our hair is finer is all. Since you mention that in your conversation, which I also thought it was a bit crude at times too. Just my opinion.

[Foxie Loxie]

I have come to understand, from what I have learned here on Avalon, that each of us is a multidimensional being possessing many skills of which we are unaware due to the "dumbing down" of humans that has been occurring here on Earth for so many centuries. Apparently, our Controllers have not wanted us to know this. :noidea:

[Desire]

Seems you use " I don't like " a whole lot. You seem troubled and negative and that's my intuitive opinion .:raining: You can rain on your parade but you can't rain on my parade!

[Innocent Warrior]

Trying to believe psychics aren't real would be like trying to believe Earth is flat, however, I do have an issue with the attitude of some psychics and a lot of 'non psychics' towards psychics, Tobias Lars explains it perfectly in the following video (10:23) -

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I'd add to that that some psychics, experiencers, intuitives etc. share the same view as Lars and that it's an error to assume all psychics etc. think it's something special, exciting because it's an indication of expanding awareness for many, but it's a natural state, not anything special. Important because if we can get past that assumption then the more genuine psychics etc. could discuss it more freely without the concern that they'll be perceived as thinking they are special or more advanced (way off), but more importantly humanity can have its eyes opened to the true nature of its senses and the greater reality we dwell in.

[Rich]

Russell Targ is a physicist who spent several decades working in a US government program exploring "remote viewing" - an apparently anomalous extended characteristic of the mind. Targ is convinced the effect is real. This talk was originally slated as part of a TEDx event in Hollywood in 2013, but the organization pulled their support of the event when they learned about the subjects.
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[WalterBosley]

:(

Dang it, I was editing and hit the wrong button and deleted my previous comment. And it was funny. Sorry.

I listened to Rich's post and didn't find anything in it that 'explains' his position with any different impression than he left in his post. Obviously he's primarily talking about professional Screw Age types who are making money off readings. On THAT point, I have long agreed that there is a credibility issue with that. It's my personal position -- doesn't have to be anyone else's -- that once a person with measurable abilities starts taking money for its use, it will be affected in a negative manner. I also think these 'carnival swamis' are running a racket -- HOWEVER, Richie needs to qualify his labels. Not trying to be an ahole BUT, listening to him, I'm not sure he's the guy upon whose judgment I'm going to decide what I think/believe about anything beyond hot dog mustard.

[Rich]

The older couple especially the wife, is very philosophical / religious, and said it's better not to focus on power but on enlightenment (peace / truth) instead, because power is temporary. She said you naturally will experience various [psi] abilities on your path to enlightenment (a/k/a self-realization), but not to get too focused on power because enlightenment is the only way out of suffering (i.e. pursuit of power is a trap). The way she seems to describe enlightenment is this awareness that develops, that nothing in reality is outside of, or separate from, oneself, that reality is INSIDE oneself, and that all things are made of mind / consciousness. We create our own reality and our own suffering. There is no duality / separation. That no matter how seemingly horrible the circumstances one is in, one can change one's perspective so that nothing is intolerable. Those who we label as "enemies" are just projections of ourselves. You see what you expect to see, so by changing your expectations, you change your view of reality, and thus change reality itself. Sounds rather new-agey, or Hindu/Buddhist, yes?

The above idea is what I find more unbelievable than the existence of psi. This is what I wonder whether it's real or not. But what I've read about psi and enlightenment seems to point in this direction. It's certainly contrary to the conventional idea that reality exists independently of the self, the world is dangerous, and that one needs to constantly determine whether others are friends or foes, to survive.

Thanks for that interesting post ortiz,
here is what ACIM says about psychic abilities:

Are "Psychic" Powers Desirable?

The answer to this question is much like the preceding one. There are, of course, no "unnatural" powers, and it is obviously merely an appeal to magic to make up a power that does not exist. It is equally obvious, however, that each individual has many abilities of which he is unaware. As his awareness increases, he may well develop abilities that seem quite startling to him. Yet nothing he can do can compare even in the slightest with the glorious surprise of remembering Who he is. Let all his learning and all his efforts be directed toward this one great final surprise, and he will not be content to be delayed by the little ones that may come to him on the way.

Certainly there are many "psychic" powers that are clearly in line with this course. Communication is not limited to the small range of channels the world recognizes. If it were, there would be little point in trying to teach salvation. It would be impossible to do so. The limits the world places on communication are the chief barriers to direct experience of the Holy Spirit, Whose Presence is always there and Whose Voice is available but for the hearing. These limits are placed out of fear, for without them the walls that surround all the separate places of the world would fall at the holy sound of His Voice. Who transcends these limits in any way is merely becoming more natural. He is doing nothing special, and there is no magic in his accomplishments.

The seemingly new abilities that may be gathered on the way can be very
helpful. Given to the Holy Spirit, and used under His direction, they are valuable teaching aids. To this, the question of how they arise is irrelevant. The only important consideration is how they are used. Taking them as ends in themselves, no matter how this is done, will delay progress. Nor does their value lie in proving anything; achievements from the past, unusual attunement with the "unseen," or "special" favors from God. God gives no special favors, and no one has any powers that are not available to everyone. Only by tricks of magic are special powers "demonstrated."

Nothing that is genuine is used to deceive. The Holy Spirit is incapable of deception, and He can use only genuine abilities. What is used for magic is useless to Him. But what He uses cannot be used for magic. There is, however, a particular appeal in unusual abilities that can be curiously tempting. Here are strengths which the Holy Spirit wants and needs. Yet the ego sees in these same strengths an opportunity to glorify itself. Strengths turned to weakness are tragedy indeed. Yet what is not given to the Holy Spirit must be given to weakness, for what is withheld from love is given to fear, and will be fearful in consequence.

[HaveBlue]

Quote: I have been in this field with over 180,000 hours of sky watching and thousands of hours ghost hunting and over 900 shows

OP claims to have spent 180,000 hours skywatching. (that's rich, pun intended) An 8 hour working day gives about 2000 hours per year. Basically OP has spent 24 hours per day for 30 years.
Add the ghost hunting and the 900 radio shows and we have a very old soul here.

I could do with some advice on time management from this gentleman.

I do agree with him about taking money. Psychic-ness is spontaneous, not on tap per se. What to do when you 'aren't getting anything' but fear of the mailman putting bills/letters from the bank in your letterbox?

Consuming food or beverages, or vomiting them back up again will not change that 'gut feeling' to do with psychic matters. But don't ask how I know this!

If I am wrong it is because it happened on another timeline.

[conk]

Back in the 1970s there was a unique woman in our office. Most avoided her, saying unkind things about her; that she was some kind of kook. Well, being a contrarian, I became her friend over time. She was different for sure, but in a very likeable way. As we came to know each other better she began to share her life experiences. She kind of mothered me, me being 24 and her around 55. Stories were shared about her ability to know things in advance and to see things in her mind. Several times she asked me about events in my past, with detail, that she had no way of knowing. Ultimately she was vindicated in the eyes of the office when she helped the police find and apprehend a serial rapist in town. She "saw" where he took his latest victim and told police that they could find tire tracks. Spot on!

She always audited a Psychic Phenomenon class at the local college. I watched her take a mans ring and tell him the story of his best friend being killed in battle (WWII); that the friend asked the man to take the ring to remember him by. He died in the mans arms. The fellow in class who owned the ring cried and cried, reliving the awful situation. The lady was the real deal.

Re: the Lynn McTaggard reference above. She has a brilliant new book, The Power of Eight.

[Foxie Loxie]

From my past perspective from the "religious" slant...anyone who had extraordinary powers was to be avoided because it was all "of the Devil"! Talk about total Mind Control!! That's what "religion" does for you! :blushing: I remember a friend from the '90'swho could actually "see" certain things that were going to happen to her acquaintances, but instead of using this gift to help others, she asked "God" to take away this ability! Her prayer was answered! :clock: