Hurricanes: Harvey... Irma... José... Maria... Ophelia...

[Noelle]

I am thrilled to hear that you and your family survived -- and with limited damage to your property. Why don't you set up a Go Fund me account to help raise funds for the horses, and then post it here on Avalon and every other place that you can.

as soon as we are done moving trees, fixing fences etc.. we will do a fund raiser, definitely. Until this point I've been pretty proud of the fact that we are mostly a self funded rescue; but that's probably not going to be the case in the future if we can keep this going.

And it's perfectly ok to be proud of what you have accomplished and also to reach out and ask for help in times of need. This disaster was not your doing. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would love to help in any way they can.

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Why don't you set up a Go Fund me account to help raise funds for the horses, and then post it here on Avalon and every other place that you can.
In the meantime, here is Target’s family horse rescue page with PayPal @ bottom - CruzanCowgirls.com (http://www.cruzancowgirls.com/cruzan_cowgirls_horse_rescue/)

CruzanCowgirls YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/CruzanCowgirls/videos)


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Notices/Target-donate.jpg

♡

Thank you! I don't have much, but I will give what I can.

[TargeT]

Thank you! I don't have much, but I will give what I can.

Thanks!

It does look like paypal is experiencing some issues (I tried it myself and get an error), maybe due to Maria, it didn't hit PR as hard as it hit us, but I'm sure there was still some damage.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Thank you! I don't have much, but I will give what I can.

Thanks!

It does look like paypal is experiencing some issues (I tried it myself and get an error), maybe due to Maria, it didn't hit PR as hard as it hit us, but I'm sure there was still some damage.

Paypal did not work for me either.

[Noelle]

I don't think anyone has posted Patrick Roddie's videos on geoengineering and this summer's hurricanes. Roddie is with StopSprayingUs.com (https://stopsprayingus.com/manufacturing-hurricanes/). If you only have time to watch one, the 9-min. "Massive chemtrail spraying over Hurricane Irma, 9-11-17" is good. Roddie, using NASA satellite imagery, shows spraying in Irma.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6COdCn_LmU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HImm9OexV6g


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_pvZFZnlN0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4bQFlCIkOI

[pyrangello]

Target, keep us updated on aNY assistance you need. I will try the PayPal tmrw.20 years ago I got to ride a horse thru the lemon and lime trees in Jamaica. Then we rode down to the ocean and rode over a mile along the shore in the water.the horses loved it and it was an experience i will never forget. Keep us updated please and many prayers bud.

[norman]

There's something that looks like a massive hurricane forming to the west of Britain today.

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/850hPa/orthographic=-18.19,50.85,792

I wonder where that is going to move to before it's done. We don't normally have such things bothering us.

[Foxie Loxie]

So glad your family is o.k. TargeT....now to the rebuilding! We are all fortunate to have the Avalon Family around us! :heart:

Thanks for the videos, LadyM!

[Noelle]

Thank you! I don't have much, but I will give what I can.

Thanks!

It does look like paypal is experiencing some issues (I tried it myself and get an error), maybe due to Maria, it didn't hit PR as hard as it hit us, but I'm sure there was still some damage.

PayPal feature on your site is working again. I just donated. I hope it helps.

EDIT: After the transaction completed, instead of being routed back to your site, I saw one of those "hacker" warning pages. Please confirm that you see my donation if possible.

[Kristin]

There's something that looks like a massive hurricane forming to the west of Britain today.

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/850hPa/orthographic=-18.19,50.85,792

I wonder where that is going to move to before it's done. We don't normally have such things bothering us.

That is massive! If that eye tightens up I hate to think what could happen. It has all the markings of a huge storm. WOW.

[Chester]

A member recently pointed out to me the interesting fact that the names of two of this year's hurricanes, when considered together could raise a few eyebrows.

Those being

Lee

and

Harvey

[TargeT]

PayPal feature on your site is working again. I just donated. I hope it helps.

EDIT: After the transaction completed, instead of being routed back to your site, I saw one of those "hacker" warning pages. Please confirm that you see my donation if possible.

I'm pretty sure it worked, sent you a PM for verification.



A member recently pointed out to me the interesting fact that the names of two of this year's hurricanes, when considered together could raise a few eyebrows.

Those being

Lee

and

Harvey

Lee never made it to a hurricane, I think it hit tropical cyclone and now it's dissipating to nothing tracked, here was the last update:


Remnants Of Lee Discussion Number 17
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142017
1100 PM AST Mon Sep 18 2017

Lee has degenerated into a tight swirl of low clouds with
intermittent burst of convection, and no longer classifies as a
tropical cyclone. As forecast by global models, strong upper-level
westerly winds have become established over the disturbance, and
this pattern should not allow regeneration. Some additional bursts
of convection could still develop while the disturbance moves
northwestward until dissipation in a day or so.

This is the last advisory on Lee issued by the National Hurricane
Center.


When Maria passed my island it was far closer than I was hoping for:
http://stormcarib.com/GOES044520172634Kn33H.jpg

I live in the bottom left corner of the island the eye is touching (St Croix).

[justntime2learn]

PayPal feature on your site is working again. I just donated. I hope it helps.

EDIT: After the transaction completed, instead of being routed back to your site, I saw one of those "hacker" warning pages. Please confirm that you see my donation if possible.

I'm pretty sure it worked, sent you a PM for verification.



A member recently pointed out to me the interesting fact that the names of two of this year's hurricanes, when considered together could raise a few eyebrows.

Those being

Lee

and

Harvey

Lee never made it to a hurricane, I think it hit tropical cyclone and now it's dissipating to nothing tracked, here was the last update:


Remnants Of Lee Discussion Number 17
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142017
1100 PM AST Mon Sep 18 2017

Lee has degenerated into a tight swirl of low clouds with
intermittent burst of convection, and no longer classifies as a
tropical cyclone. As forecast by global models, strong upper-level
westerly winds have become established over the disturbance, and
this pattern should not allow regeneration. Some additional bursts
of convection could still develop while the disturbance moves
northwestward until dissipation in a day or so.

This is the last advisory on Lee issued by the National Hurricane
Center.


When Maria passed my island it was far closer than I was hoping for:
http://stormcarib.com/GOES044520172634Kn33H.jpg

I live in the bottom left corner of the island the eye is touching (St Croix).

I didn't want to say anything at the time, but I was thinking about you when I was watching what they were calling a pinhole eye skirting St.Croix. I wasn't just thinking, I was praying. I feel like we all breathed a sigh of relief when we heard from you.

[Foxie Loxie]

TOTALLY!! justintime2learn!! :happy dog:

[Satori]

There is now a report that the Guajataca Dam in north west Puerto Rico is failing and that people are being evacuated at this time. I can't provide a link to the report I just read.

[TargeT]

There is now a report that the Guajataca Dam in north west Puerto Rico is failing and that people are being evacuated at this time. I can't provide a link to the report I just read.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/national-international/Dam-Failing-Puerto-Rico-Hurricane-Maria-446870113.html
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/8b04054ecf00721527183157eb8bfd2f47aa7075/0_85_2500_1499/master/2500.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/22/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-dam

https://alerts.weather.gov/cap/wwacapget.php?x=PR125868A6C250.FlashFloodWarning.125868B3469CPR.JSJFFWSJU.c2a9914f61cb36025e22fcef4c 8eed4a

[Virma De Ris]

Hello Avalonians,

I had to take a break from the news media, just too much to handle.

Target, so glad you're okay despite what you went through. I can't imagine a Cat 5 hurricane going through such a small island.

What is damaging PR at the moment is the flooding. There was up to 37.9 inches of rain reported in the area. The info came from NOAA site but I haven't been able to find the direct link. I read the info from a local newspaper that has a Facebook page. Again, my direct family is doing okay. I spoke to my brother and he told me my dad's businesses are okay, just some damage to the structure (nothing major). He did tell me that he thinks a tornado passed through some areas in the south (where my dad has his businesses) because concrete structures were on the ground all in pieces. I do remember seeing online that tornado warning were issued to the towns that were going to be in the direct path of the eye. I haven't heard from other family members or friends yet.

Yes, the Guajataca dam failed but the flash flood warning was lifted. Don't know anything else about this. As for Madeira, his town is one of the ones that communications are cut quite cut off. It was until Thursday that images of his town started appearing online. Some roads and bridges leading to his hometown broke down. I don't know specifics, so I guess we will have to wait until Madeira is online to know exactly what went on around him.

Blessings to all.

[TargeT]

PR saw more than 30 inches of rain (https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/9/21/16345176/hurricane-maria-2017-puerto-rico-san-juan-meteorology-wind-rain-power), that will devastate after the damage of a cat 4/5 hurricane.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKR2055UMAEr-wa.jpg

He did tell me that he thinks a tornado passed through some areas in the south (where my dad has his businesses) because concrete structures were on the ground all in pieces.

We have several concrete structures that were flattened or partially flattened and the eye didn't pass over us as far as I know, just came like 2 miles away; I bet with the eye passing directly over there was a lot of violent destruction .

[Ron Mauer Sr]

PR saw more than 30 inches of rain (https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/9/21/16345176/hurricane-maria-2017-puerto-rico-san-juan-meteorology-wind-rain-power), that will devastate after the damage of a cat 4/5 hurricane.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKR2055UMAEr-wa.jpg

He did tell me that he thinks a tornado passed through some areas in the south (where my dad has his businesses) because concrete structures were on the ground all in pieces.

We have several concrete structures that were flattened or partially flattened and the eye didn't pass over us as far as I know, just came like 2 miles away; I bet with the eye passing directly over there was a lot of violent destruction .

Flattened concrete structures is amazing. Maybe there was not steel reinforcement.

[Hym]

Steel Reinforced concrete dome structures are what I think about every time I see all of the destruction hurricanes and tornadoes cause. At a minimum it would be wise to build them as community shelters in areas prone to hurricanes.
Much positive energy and healing to all involved.

[sandy]

Thanks for the update and good but not so good news TargeT.......happy to hear you and your loved ones, including all the creatures are safe. :happythumbsup:

[Noelle]

And here is GeoEngineeringWatch's analysis of Hurricane Maria. The 6.41-minute video points out frequency bursts from Puerto Rico as the hurricane approached the island. It also talks about similar bursts that kept Jose in place -- preventing it from coming inland.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFJM6hF_Xg4

[Cidersomerset]

These Hurricanes Have Been Preceded By Solar Flares - Piers Corbyn

By Andrew Cheetham on 24 September 2017 GMT

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These Hurricanes Have been preceded By Solar Flares - Piers Corbyn

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Published on 22 Sep 2017
Piers'web site is http://www.weatheraction.com

[Noelle]

These Hurricanes Have Been Preceded By Solar Flares - Piers Corbyn

By Andrew Cheetham on 24 September 2017 GMT

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These Hurricanes Have been preceded By Solar Flares - Piers Corbyn

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Published on 22 Sep 2017
Piers'web site is http://www.weatheraction.com

I don't doubt that the solar flares had an impact. Did they create Harvey, Irma and Maria? Did the flares occur before Harvey? Those like StopSprayingUs and GeoEngineeringWatch are not arguing that the hurricanes were created via geoengineering. They say the storms were guided, maybe intensified, by man. Corbyn does not seem to know if that's what happened.

[Cidersomerset]

Corbyn does not seem to know if that's what happened.


No but he does not discount anything , especially after you hear more of
his interviews. He has to be a little carefull being the older brother of
Jeremy Corbyn Labour leader in the UK parliament. But he does let
slip the odd conspiracy theory or two, and acknowledges the Lynmouth
disaster in the UK 1952 may have been enhanced by early cloud seeding
experiments..



In the interview they touch on several topics one of which is the Lynmouth 1952
disaster which I posted earlier in the thread and below.....
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74872-Undeniable-Footage-Of-Jet-Aircraft-Spraying-The-Midwest-Respiratory-Crisis----Infected-Chemtrail-Beta-Test&p=1181792&viewfull=1#post1181792


They say the storms were guided, maybe intensified, by man

Its possible weather wars have been discussed for decades and supposed to be
banned by treaties , but there are ways around everything if you are in control...


ZiMxhtEPF04

[Hym]

Stating the obvious here. From the beginning of geo-engineering the scientists involved have always looked at the entirety of the earth and the interactions of all systems for modeling. In other words, the decision to enhance or create a weather "solution" is never about affecting just one condition upon an area, a population, or a financial opportunity.

It is an interesting inquiry to see just how intricate and involved the interface of modeling and manipulation of atmospheric systems has become, hand in hand with the motivations for those same, unnatural actions. Disaster capital has been around for a very long time, (The Chicago Mercantile exchange being but one example). In the mean time all life suffers for the profit and control of a few. We live in this and controllers don't.

I saw this system in action above the skies of southern California in '86 and earlier, but had a direct confirmation of the facts that year.

Never put the science out of reach of your imagination when considering a hidden control system's ability to enhance and direct the weather. And, more importantly, always keep your imagination at hand when looking for solutions. It is a good start when learning to connect the dots and dashes, the O's and the 1's.

We'll see in the next couple of weeks just where, beyond the obvious, the pattern leads.

[Noelle]

Corbyn does not seem to know if that's what happened.


No but he does not discount anything , especially after you hear more of
his interviews. He has to be a little carefull being the older brother of
Jeremy Corbyn Labour leader in the UK parliament. But he does let
slip the odd conspiracy theory or two, and acknowledges the Lynmouth
disaster in the UK 1952 may have been enhanced by early cloud seeding
experiments..



In the interview they touch on several topics one of which is the Lynmouth 1952
disaster which I posted earlier in the thread and below.....
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74872-Undeniable-Footage-Of-Jet-Aircraft-Spraying-The-Midwest-Respiratory-Crisis----Infected-Chemtrail-Beta-Test&p=1181792&viewfull=1#post1181792


They say the storms were guided, maybe intensified, by man

Its possible weather wars have been discussed for decades and supposed to be
banned by treaties , but there are ways around everything if you are in control...


ZiMxhtEPF04

The questions asked in my last post about the solar flares were sincere. I'm not sure of the timeline of the flares. I only remember them being talk about in earnest during Irma. Another question, and I believe Hym hints at it: Is there technology, black projects or not, to predict these flares? If there is, the weather engineers could leverage them.

[KiwiElf]

We humans have an ongoing problem in that we only look for ONE all-encompassing answer or solution, (the "black-&-white", "this-or-that" mindset which is why we often get it wrong! ;)) when in reality, there may be several combined factors at play. Many of these so called "experts" on both sides seem to be incapable of imagination or 3-dimensional thinking outside their little boxes! :)

Geoengineering takes a "campfire" (natural causes, including solar flares, or the simple fact that there are more people on the planet now than 50 or 100 years ago so of course we produce more gasses, pollution etc, and yes, even minor "global warming" but not THAT much - not enough to do what we've seen these last few months), and greatly magnifies the intensity. The "camp" fire becomes a "forest inferno" (or what might be a Category 1-2 hurricane turned into a monster Category 5+ with the added ability to "steer" it to a certain degree).

Same with earthquakes; in an area which is already vulnerable and/or experiencing a swarm at the time, which is easily detectable, (ie Yellowstone atm), "geoengineers" could quite easily give it a "helping hand". We also get reasonable warning of when a solar flare will occur. Enough time to... "enhance" its affects? I believe so.

One has to ask why there was a "global ban on weather warfare" if the technology didn't exist to do so in the first place? (And we know it has since at least the 1940's)

The video below shows Massive Wave Anomalies Caught Coming From Mystery Ross Sea Base at the beginning of August - Out of sight, out of mind?

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[Foxie Loxie]

As Piers Corbyn stated...he goes back in history to refer to what has happened before & as thus is able to "connect the dots". It would appear there is some sort of manipulation going on, but we DO know the Sun plays a major part in Earth's weather. At least that's what I have been able to grasp, so far! :raining:

[Cidersomerset]

Is there technology, black projects or not, to predict these flares?
If there is, the weather engineers could leverage them.


I know your questions are sincere , I don't know the answers but there is plenty of
speculation....Piers did say in an earlier interview with Ritchie Allen more but I
cannot remember all the info that passes through my cerebral cortex...:bigsmile:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In this podcast Dane starts commenting on the headlines .......

Geoengineering Watch Global Alert News, September 23, 2017 (Dane Wigington
GeoengineeringWatch.org)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNVWSWFUXlQ
Published on 23 Sep 2017
http://GeoengineeringWatch.org
How is our societal programming affecting our sense of reason? Why don’t the facts
matter in so many cases and with so many people? Countries all over the globe are
maneuvering and preparing for the coming overturning of the reality we have
known. An increasing number of countries are finally disconnecting from the US
petrodollar, they have had enough of supporting the primary global empire of
America. How many Americans have any idea about the totality of what is unfolding
around the world? Where do the millions of tons of toxic Hurricane disaster waste
materials go? Wildfires and weather whiplash both continue to become ever more
extreme, especially in the most industrialized nations that have the largest
militaries and thus the largest geoengineering operations. What will be the next big
power structure shoe to drop? The increasingly aggressive weather warfare
operations are beginning to wake the sleeping masses, but the flames of awareness
must be fanned. Sharing credible data with the as of yet unaware, is critical.Dane Wigington

[Virma De Ris]

PR saw more than 30 inches of rain (https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/9/21/16345176/hurricane-maria-2017-puerto-rico-san-juan-meteorology-wind-rain-power), that will devastate after the damage of a cat 4/5 hurricane.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKR2055UMAEr-wa.jpg

He did tell me that he thinks a tornado passed through some areas in the south (where my dad has his businesses) because concrete structures were on the ground all in pieces.

We have several concrete structures that were flattened or partially flattened and the eye didn't pass over us as far as I know, just came like 2 miles away; I bet with the eye passing directly over there was a lot of violent destruction .

Thanks Target, that's the one.

[Virma De Ris]

And here is GeoEngineeringWatch's analysis of Hurricane Maria. The 6.41-minute video points out frequency bursts from Puerto Rico as the hurricane approached the island. It also talks about similar bursts that kept Jose in place -- preventing it from coming inland.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFJM6hF_Xg4

From all the videos in this thread, I only watched this one you posted LadyM. Maybe I'm evading reality, maybe I don't want to fully subscribe to these types of news. Don't take me wrong I know things happen but sometimes things can't be taken at face value. I will be writing more things related to this video next.

[Noelle]

And here is GeoEngineeringWatch's analysis of Hurricane Maria. The 6.41-minute video points out frequency bursts from Puerto Rico as the hurricane approached the island. It also talks about similar bursts that kept Jose in place -- preventing it from coming inland.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFJM6hF_Xg4

From all the videos in this thread, I only watched this one you posted LadyM. Maybe I'm evading reality, maybe I don't want to fully subscribe to these types of news. Don't take me wrong I know things happen but sometimes things can't be taken at face value. I will be writing more things related to this video next.

It's fine to disagree, agree or sit somewhere in the middle of this. I'm not entirely convinced of anything yet, but geoengineering does have my serious attention. I wish I took a meteorology class or two to better understand how it's possible or not possible. I've committed myself to making sense of it -- researching programs/projects like HAARP, Project Cirrus and Storm Fury, Operation Popeye and others, the radio frequency bursts (what else could cause them?), and other related topics.

[Foxie Loxie]

Don't forget the Sun! :sun: Piers Corbyn has been predicting the weather, accurately for a good many years, so I assume he knows what he's talking about!

[Virma De Ris]

Hi Avalonians. I just wanted to report. I spoke with my brother again. Things are rough in the island. He survived hurricane George in 1998 and told me Maria has been ten times worse. People are getting desperate and things are starting to become somewhat chaotic. He told me gas/diesel is something that people are desperate for (besides food and water, of course). There's been looting but nothing violent (yet). He told me 7 of my dad's employees lost their houses to Maria, they either lost the roof to their house or their house got completely destroyed.

Here's two pictures he managed to send me. They come from the town of Salinas in the south coast of the island.

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The overall picture of the island (and all other islands affected by Maria, and Irma) is gloomy.

I've seen in this thread videos and comments about weather manipulation. I did read about the solar flares affecting weather patterns somewhere but can't remember if it was in this forum or somewhere else. What puzzles me is how there has been a category 5 hurricane followed by an earthquake in two separate occasions, all relatively in the same area. I've been trying to look into this but haven't found an answer that satisfies me.

LadyM's video (the 6 minute video, sorry I forgot how to cross post) tells that PR in a way has defied the mainland. I think that's giving too much credit to the PTB. A quick anecdote about PR. There's a lot of UFO activity all around the island. I've unwillingly seen it (won't give out details because I don't want trouble coming my way). I remember in the 2000s visiting my parents and noticing a strange weather pattern that didn't use to be there in the 1980s and 1990s. So I decided to check the weather maps daily. Cloud formations used to gather around the island in strange ways, that led me to look online about this then I found out about HAARP facilities in PR. A lot of unusual activity can be found from Ponce (mentioned in the video) to Cabo Rojo in the southwest. Maybe, there is a shred of truth to the claims of weather manipulation?

My brother told me the eye of Maria did a freakish turn when it hit Yabucoa (the entry point). He said it make a horizontal (from east to west) instead of going in diagonal, as if the eye was pulled sideways. I thought it was an interesting bit of info to share. Of course these are all stories with no scientific data backing them, so take them the way you want them.

Now, I want to leave this link here www.mariafund.org (https://connect.clickandpledge.com/w/Form/cb4a3c78-5694-4324-bead-42c8ad94c1bf). It's a donations webpage for Puerto Rico. It's not linked to the Red Cross. Donations will go to families like my dad's employees who lost everything after Maria. My family is doing everything they can to help but they also suffered loses of their own. I'm helping the way I can from Florida, which at the moment is just dropping necessities to centers around my area. This donation website is only for people in Puerto Rico, unfortunately it doesn't apply to the sister islands that also got hit by Maria and Irma.

I guess I'll post island updates as I receive them.

Blessings to all!

[Virma De Ris]

It's fine to disagree, agree or sit somewhere in the middle of this. And that's the beauty of it. I'm not convinced of anything yet neither, there's many things that may never have an answer or the answer we look for, for that matter.

Take care!

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks for the update...keep them coming Virma De Ris!! I just noticed a video from Oct. 13 by Kevin Shipp which might be helpful in this discussion. Can't believe I hadn't watched it!! :bigsmile:

[Noelle]

Yes, thank you, Virma De Ris. And Foxie Loxie, do you have a link for the video mentioned? Would love to watch it.

[Foxie Loxie]

Sorry...but I don't know how to do "links", but you can find it right now on page 3 near the bottom! :blushing:

[Noelle]

Sorry...but I don't know how to do "links", but you can find it right now on page 3 near the bottom! :blushing:

I saw "October 13" in your post, so was not sure if it was this thread. If the video was posted September 13, I must have missed it (out of service because of Irma). I will watch it tonight. Thanks, Foxie Loxie.

[TargeT]

Detailed view from the air of St Croix.. these photo's were taken yesterday (it's basically the entire island photo mapped from a blackhawk)

https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/maria/index.html#17/17.70761/-64.77259

compare that to google map's imagery:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/St+Croix/@17.7124757,-64.8821771,313m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8c1aca18b9e986fb:0x222f1b9699885a5c!8m2!3d17.7245968!4d-64.8347992

it looks a LOT different from the ground, but I still have no good internet to get pictures or videos out on :(

[RunningDeer]

Sorry...but I don't know how to do "links", but you can find it right now on page 3 near the bottom! :blushing:

I saw "October 13" in your post, so was not sure if it was this thread. If the video was posted September 13, I must have missed it (out of service because of Irma). I will watch it tonight. Thanks, Foxie Loxie.

Wild guess, Foxie Loxie. Here’s a Kevin Shipp video posted on the forum October 13, 2016 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93880-Kevin-Shipp-CIA-whistleblower-on-chemtrails-vaccinations-9-11-and-the-Shadow-Government&p=1105667&viewfull=1#post1105667) (and other threads since).


New: CIA Agent Whistleblower Risks All To Expose The Shadow Government
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Dane Wigington (https://www.youtube.com/user/danewigington/videos)
Published on Aug 23, 2017

http://GeoengineeringWatch.org

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Kevin Shipp was a decorated CIA officer who refused to look the other way in regard to government criminality and cover-up. At a very important public awareness event, held by GeoengineerWatch.org in Northern California, on July 28th, 2017, Mr. Shipp presented a shocking and compelling presentation on numerous, horrific and ongoing government crimes. The total persecution of anyone who dares to tell the truth about rampant government tyranny is also fully exposed. The paradigm we have all known has been built on deception and the dark agendas of the global power structure. The courage Kevin Shipp has shown by doing his best to expose government criminality and tyranny serves as a stellar example to us all.

We desperately need other individuals in government agencies and the US military to follow Kevin's lead. All of us are essential in the battle to help wake the masses to the truth so that the whistleblowers have the support they need to come forward. If we have any chance of stopping the completely out of control criminal cabal that currently runs our country and much of the world, we must all make our voices heard, we must all join the fight for the greater good.

Dane Wigington

[Noelle]

Sorry...but I don't know how to do "links", but you can find it right now on page 3 near the bottom! :blushing:

I saw "October 13" in your post, so was not sure if it was this thread. If the video was posted September 13, I must have missed it (out of service because of Irma). I will watch it tonight. Thanks, Foxie Loxie.

Guessing on this, Foxie Loxie. Here’s a Kevin Shipp video posted on the forum October 13, 2016 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93880-Kevin-Shipp-CIA-whistleblower-on-chemtrails-vaccinations-9-11-and-the-Shadow-Government&p=1105667&viewfull=1#post1105667) (and other threads since).


New: CIA Agent Whistleblower Risks All To Expose The Shadow Government
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Dane Wigington (https://www.youtube.com/user/danewigington/videos)
Published on Aug 23, 2017

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Kevin Shipp was a decorated CIA officer who refused to look the other way in regard to government criminality and cover-up. At a very important public awareness event, held by GeoengineerWatch.org in Northern California, on July 28th, 2017, Mr. Shipp presented a shocking and compelling presentation on numerous, horrific and ongoing government crimes. The total persecution of anyone who dares to tell the truth about rampant government tyranny is also fully exposed. The paradigm we have all known has been built on deception and the dark agendas of the global power structure. The courage Kevin Shipp has shown by doing his best to expose government criminality and tyranny serves as a stellar example to us all.

We desperately need other individuals in government agencies and the US military to follow Kevin's lead. All of us are essential in the battle to help wake the masses to the truth so that the whistleblowers have the support they need to come forward. If we have any chance of stopping the completely out of control criminal cabal that currently runs our country and much of the world, we must all make our voices heard, we must all join the fight for the greater good.

Dane Wigington

Thank you! I did see this one a few weeks ago, but I'm sure others have not. He does go into the geoengineering, though not a lot. He does give a detailed breakdown of the shadow government and deep state (yes, two different things, according to Shipp).

[Noelle]

Detailed view from the air of St Croix.. these photo's were taken yesterday (it's basically the entire island photo mapped from a blackhawk)

https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/maria/index.html#17/17.70761/-64.77259

compare that to google map's imagery:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/St+Croix/@17.7124757,-64.8821771,313m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8c1aca18b9e986fb:0x222f1b9699885a5c!8m2!3d17.7245968!4d-64.8347992

it looks a LOT different from the ground, but I still have no good internet to get pictures or videos out on :(

The best view that I have seen thus far of the damage. :(

[TargeT]

Detailed view from the air of St Croix.. these photo's were taken yesterday (it's basically the entire island photo mapped from a blackhawk)

https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/maria/index.html#17/17.70761/-64.77259

compare that to google map's imagery:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/St+Croix/@17.7124757,-64.8821771,313m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8c1aca18b9e986fb:0x222f1b9699885a5c!8m2!3d17.7245968!4d-64.8347992

it looks a LOT different from the ground, but I still have no good internet to get pictures or videos out on :(

The best view that I have seen thus far of the damage. :(

from panning around that imagery it seems like only 1/8th or 1/6th the houses lost roofs.. parts of the island have power restored (a few blocks really) and even though the generator for the AT&T Cell tower was stolen yesterday, some local guys brought their own generator up and are ensuring service is provided in small areas of the island.

Really this is a dramatic difference from the previous hurricanes suffered on these islands; it makes me hope that recovery will also be dramatically faster this time around.

My favorite bar kept it's roof (though the 2nd story has some serious damage https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/maria/index.html#20/17.71181/-64.88198 )... maybe it will open soon!

[Noelle]

Detailed view from the air of St Croix.. these photo's were taken yesterday (it's basically the entire island photo mapped from a blackhawk)

https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/maria/index.html#17/17.70761/-64.77259

compare that to google map's imagery:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/St+Croix/@17.7124757,-64.8821771,313m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8c1aca18b9e986fb:0x222f1b9699885a5c!8m2!3d17.7245968!4d-64.8347992

it looks a LOT different from the ground, but I still have no good internet to get pictures or videos out on :(

The best view that I have seen thus far of the damage. :(

from panning around that imagery it seems like only 1/8th or 1/6th the houses lost roofs.. parts of the island have power restored (a few blocks really) and even though the generator for the AT&T Cell tower was stolen yesterday, some local guys brought their own generator up and are ensuring service is provided in small areas of the island.

Really this is a dramatic difference from the previous hurricanes suffered on these islands; it makes me hope that recovery will also be dramatically faster this time around.

My favorite bar kept it's roof (though the 2nd story has some serious damage https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/maria/index.html#20/17.71181/-64.88198 )... maybe it will open soon!

Is the island getting a lot of help from the outside? I hope it recovers quickly too and the tourists return in force. I zoomed out and then over to the south coast of Puerto Rico. Some sections there look real bad.

[TargeT]

Detailed view from the air of St Croix.. these photo's were taken yesterday (it's basically the entire island photo mapped from a blackhawk)

https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/maria/index.html#17/17.70761/-64.77259

compare that to google map's imagery:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/St+Croix/@17.7124757,-64.8821771,313m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8c1aca18b9e986fb:0x222f1b9699885a5c!8m2!3d17.7245968!4d-64.8347992

it looks a LOT different from the ground, but I still have no good internet to get pictures or videos out on :(

The best view that I have seen thus far of the damage. :(

Is the island getting a lot of help from the outside? I hope it recovers quickly too and the tourists return in force. I zoomed out and then over to the south coast of Puerto Rico. Some sections there look real bad.

there are a lot of outside agencies here and a lot of people, it seems like we are getting a lot of help, I'm just not seeing the "action" yet.. there are food and water distribution points set up and free wifi spots in the major city. the roads are mostly clear and power is restored to some small sections of the main city but those are very small victories compared to the over all work load that needs done.

[TargeT]

2,800 power poles and some 200 additional linemen (power workers) will have arrived between the 3 US Virgin Islands by Saturday as efforts to restore power after the 2nd CAT 5 hurricane start to get underway.

Lots of generators are being stolen by small minded people (to include the AT&T cell tower, which cut off communications for the majority of the island for a while), Luckily solar panels make no noise and are way to hard to steal so I still have functional fridges and can store food (and, since I'm working the night shift, I get to sleep with a fan! ahh it's the small things in life... haha).

One of our biggest horses fell or ran into a half empty pool and died, but that happened yesterday or the day before so I don't know if that can really be counted as a hurricane fatality (or just a horse that didn't look where it was going). but other than that we've only had a lot of inconveniences and annoying property damage. My "Canadian friends" lost the roof off both parts of their house and they are only a few blocks away from us, crazy storm.

[Noelle]

2,800 power poles and some 200 additional linemen (power workers) will have arrived between the 3 US Virgin Islands by Saturday as efforts to restore power after the 2nd CAT 5 hurricane start to get underway.

Lots of generators are being stolen by small minded people (to include the AT&T cell tower, which cut off communications for the majority of the island for a while), Luckily solar panels make no noise and are way to hard to steal so I still have functional fridges and can store food (and, since I'm working the night shift, I get to sleep with a fan! ahh it's the small things in life... haha).

One of our biggest horses fell or ran into a half empty pool and died, but that happened yesterday or the day before so I don't know if that can really be counted as a hurricane fatality (or just a horse that didn't look where it was going). but other than that we've only had a lot of inconveniences and annoying property damage. My "Canadian friends" lost the roof off both parts of their house and they are only a few blocks away from us, crazy storm.

Sorry to hear about your horse. That's heartbreaking. Glad some infrastructure will arrive over the weekend. My husband got word again from his family in Puerto Rico. The situation there is still awful. His mother said the lines in the stores that have opened are long, and they are using rain water for drinking, toilets, and cleaning. Not a good thing! They also still have to drive a good distance to make calls on their cell phones.

[TargeT]

the lines in the stores that have opened are long.....They also still have to drive a good distance to make calls on their cell phones.

Yep, that's about how it is here too, luckily they allow national guard and business owners to go into the stores after curfew (11-6pm is the only time most people can be out of our houses at the moment, not that everyone is listening... haha) after that they check to see if you have "papers" to be in the store or not; it's nice for me because I don't have to wait in the lines, but I'm sure it's frustrating for most people that the curfew lifted for such a short time.



they are using rain water for drinking, toilets, and cleaning. Not a good thing!

Hey, I've been doing that for 5 years.. haha, I always saw it as a benefit, a great thing ;)

I could describe it as horrible, I don't; I see it as highly inconvenient. I still have a roof so I'm one of the lucky ones (though most people are, really... I'd say over the entire island only a small percentage had significant structural damage due to the winds), as long as I have shelter and food the rest "is just gravy"... though I do miss having the internet at my house, and power to go with it.. I dunno, it's all in how you take it; or so it seems.

I'm just glad we had less than 10 fatalities through the storms, I think that's pretty amazing... especially since Maria was hitting 185mph. :facepalm:

[Noelle]

Do you treat the rain water? His family lives just out of San Juan -- I was thinking of pollution or contaminants.

[TargeT]

Do you treat the rain water? His family lives just out of San Juan -- I was thinking of pollution or contaminants.

well, normally we just filter it, but we've been using this: https://www.amazon.com/Sawyer-Products-SP181-Filtration-Squeezable/dp/B004TZ86M6/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_pdt_img_top?ie=UTF8 due to the stuff that got blown into my cistern.
pretty cheap for 1 million gallons purified, it uses a gravity feed system and a 5 gal bucket.. super easy to use.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Do you treat the rain water? His family lives just out of San Juan -- I was thinking of pollution or contaminants.

well, normally we just filter it, but we've been using this: https://www.amazon.com/Sawyer-Products-SP181-Filtration-Squeezable/dp/B004TZ86M6/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_pdt_img_top?ie=UTF8 due to the stuff that got blown into my cistern.
pretty cheap for 1 million gallons purified, it uses a gravity feed system and a 5 gal bucket.. super easy to use.

There is a lot of good info on the Sawyer. It is a good item for anyone to have.
The one thing to be careful of in a cold climate: Do not let the filter freeze with moisture inside. Keep the filter next to your body if outdoors. If the filaments rupture the filter is useless.

Water – Filters, Purifiers, Pasteurization, Distillation (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=178)

[TargeT]

The one thing to be careful of in a cold climate: Do not let the filter freeze with moisture inside. Keep the filter next to your body if outdoors. If the filaments rupture the filter is useless.

Water – Filters, Purifiers, Pasteurization, Distillation (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=178)

Luckily none of us maria victims will have that problem (I'm more concerned about mold and the like..).

I'm editing a video of the hurricane and I realized that as bad as it looks to me, it kind of reminds me of fall in the states ( every tree with out a single leaf etc..) strange that you forget what the cold is like so fast, it's only been 5 years of endless summer... we had flash flooding today and everyone was freezing because we were all out trying to build mini dams to stop the water.. at 78*... haha

This could be from my driveway right now:
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[Noelle]

The one thing to be careful of in a cold climate: Do not let the filter freeze with moisture inside. Keep the filter next to your body if outdoors. If the filaments rupture the filter is useless.

Water – Filters, Purifiers, Pasteurization, Distillation (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=178)

Luckily none of us maria victims will have that problem (I'm more concerned about mold and the like..).

I'm editing a video of the hurricane and I realized that as bad as it looks to me, it kind of reminds me of fall in the states ( every tree with out a single leaf etc..) strange that you forget what the cold is like so fast, it's only been 5 years of endless summer... we had flash flooding today and everyone was freezing because we were all out trying to build mini dams to stop the water.. at 78*... haha

This could be from my driveway right now:
6jjzNsDAOgQ

Oh, my gosh. That is so funny!:bigsmile:

[TargeT]

Here's what I saw before, during, and after Maria hitting St Croix:

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[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks for the amazing video, TargeT; really gives one a sense of the "happening"! Too awful!! :facepalm:

[Noelle]

Here's what I saw before, during, and after Maria hitting St Croix:

Y5vldoAAmzQ

Thanks for sharing the video. Unbelievable! You were brave to venture out there after the storm. How do you suppose the horses survive a storm like that, by huddling together?

[Hervé]

Meanwhile, a crow-flight away, from Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zy4.html):
UPDATE: MY REPORT ON PUERTO RICO BELOW NOW HAS HARD PROOF OF TOTAL ACCURACY (http://82.221.129.208/.zy4.html)

A Puerto Rican police officer called a radio station from an official police phone and said what is happening at an official level. It is exactly what I said below. There were a few extra details given.

Claudia translated the video. Here is what the police officer said:
Venezuela and Cuba sent relief but the PR government flat out denied it and refused to allow it through port. America sent a huge amount of relief that the government could not turn back. 9,700 Semi containers have been offloaded and are sitting on the ground in the port.

The PR government got a complete list of what was in the aid package, and it includes all the medications for all the hospitals, food, and other supplies, everything from laundry detergent to electrical transformers and all types of non perishable food.

The puerto Rican government wants to create a crisis for political purposes, and is cooperating with liberals/democrats/communists in the United States to make a disaster happen. They are false fronting a truckers strike. They want to blame the truckers when in fact it was the PR government that gave the orders to not distribute supplies.

At present, people are dying in the hospitals because the PR government is not allowing medications and supplies to reach the hospitals. All of the containers were clearly marked and they know exactly which containers have the supplies, yet they are not allowing them through. This is not a problem caused by having too much to sort through.


The police officer knows she destroyed her future by going on the radio to say this, and did something to her official phone to even make a call to the radio station possible.

It is not an union issue. The truckers are willing to deliver the supplies in defiance of the union, but are under direct orders of the PR government to not move anything. When the foreign cameras are on the relief workers, they pretend to be trying to work, but as soon as the cameras are gone, they have been ordered to do nothing. This is for the sole purpose of creating an enormous humanitarian crisis.

It is important to note that this police officer clearly stated that the ability to get everything to where it needs to go is complete, and that the only thing stopping it is direct orders from the PR government. The roads are open, and all the transport mechanisms on the island are 100 percent functional. This is a purely political crisis that is 100 percent manufactured on order from democrats in the United States for the sole purpose of bashing Trump. Initially the PR government was heaping praise on Trump and they were allowing the supplies through, but as soon as orders from the American shadow government were given, the PR government halted everything. (Claudia did not say the last italicized part, that was previously confirmed by me) and it is definitely what is going on.
I have uploaded the video of the call to the radio station by this police officer to this web site to prevent it from vanishing from YouTube. Here is the Youtube link (for as long as it lasts, they'll probably delete this and ban the poster) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uc1pPsKt_s) and if they do the link to my copy will be posted so people can put it right back up on YouTube. It is in Spanish, so most people in America won't understand it, but Claudia confirmed it is exactly as advertised, and says what is summarized above.

This police officer confirmed that my original post on this topic (below the comments on the video) - the real story on Puerto Rico, is rock solid accurate.

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I guess it's a too-good-of-a-crisis to let it go to waste... from the psychopaths-in-charge point of view

[Fellow Aspirant]

This Jim Stone guy has as much veracity as Ben Fulford, except that Fulford isn't trying doing Putin's work for him as a disrupter.

The last time I came across such tripe around here somebody was going on about how our solar system had become infested with planet-sized, invisible spheres full of blue cuckoos.

This guy is trolling the western world with his absurd claims, sowing lies to make the gullible doubt their own sanity.

Begone! I say. :wizard:

B.

[KiwiElf]

To be specific, the Mayor of Puerto Rico is preventing it from going through. Bought and paid for... (translate as Cabal). She seems to spend a LOT of time in front of TV Cameras blaming Trump instead of attending FEMA meetings.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/09/29/san-juan-mayors-unhinged-anti-trump-rants-help-puerto-rico-just-politicize-disaster/

http://gotnews.com/busted-anti-trump-puerto-rican-mayor-supported-terrorist-oscar-lopez-rivera/

Lock. Her. Up!

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[KiwiElf]

This Jim Stone guy has as much veracity as Ben Fulford, except that Fulford isn't trying doing Putin's work for him as a disrupter.

The last time I came across such tripe around here somebody was going on about how our solar system had become infested with planet-sized, invisible spheres full of blue cuckoos.

This guy is trolling the western world with his absurd claims, sowing lies to make the gullible doubt their own sanity.

Begone! I say. :wizard:

B.

Really? I have some seriously bad news for you. On the other hand, I wouldn't want to spoil your research ... if I can find it, anyone can ... :bigsmile:

f2FU8eee83w

gee, what are those containers behind her? People are dying... and she has time to print T-Shirts? Give me a frikkken break! :p

[Hervé]

The crates behind her reminds me of something else which I strongly suspect is happening, see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70798-A-fatal-wait-Veterans-languish-and-die-on-a-VA-hospital-s-secret-list-CNN&p=826603&viewfull=1#post826603) (<---)

[Hervé]

The crates behind her reminds me of something else which I strongly suspect is happening, see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70798-A-fatal-wait-Veterans-languish-and-die-on-a-VA-hospital-s-secret-list-CNN&p=826603&viewfull=1#post826603) (<---)
Here we go, from Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zy2.html):

Another Puerto Rico update - THE ROT IS NOW ON. (http://82.221.129.208/.zy2.html)

Well, the communists got what they wanted. After blocking the relief supplies from getting into the country, 3,000 refrigerated shipping containers ran out of fuel. People have been saying the containers have been sitting there rotting, but up until today, October 2, that was not true. Now it is.

Due to an extremely extended blockage of relief into the island, and the communists refusing to re-fuel the refrigeration units, today they ran out of fuel and the food is now rotting for real. Lots of meat rotting. Lots of other stuff rotting. Anything that can rot rotting, and it's a communist fantasy, they finally did destruction for real.

In addition to not allowing food onto the island, they are also not allowing fuel onto the island. Though power has been largely restored already, there are still quite a few hospitals on generator and they are denying any fuel deliveries to the hospitals. The gas stations have not run out of gasoline yet, but they will.

I really don't know what to say beyond this, other than that to gain pure political advantage, Democrats (who are actually communists) have successfully shut the relief effort down and are staged to kill a huge number of people.

This is not a union issue. It is being marketed as a union issue, to shift the blame away from the real culprits who are in the government. SUPER IMPORTANT: THESE SAME CULPRITS WHO ARE NOW BASHING TRUMP WERE PRAISING HIM UP UNTIL EARLY FRIDAY AND ALLOWING THE RELIEF AID TO BE DELIVERED. 300 CONTAINERS WERE ALLOWED OUT. THEN DEMOCRATS IN AMERICA (THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT) TOLD THEM TO START BASHING TRUMP AND TO CREATE AN ENORMOUS CRISIS OR ELSE AND THEY DID. This situation is 100 percent government caused. If the refrigerated containers do not start moving in 24 hours, everything in them will be lost.

In case you did not see it yet, a police officer blew the whistle and confirmed my reports here are BANG ON. She even identified the people in the government causing the problem as communists and confirmed there is no problem with distributing supplies other than what the government of PR is causing. YOUTUBE HAS NOT DELETED THIS YET, SEE THIS! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uc1pPsKt_s) And Claudia also translated this video (thus confirming the subtitles are accurate), what she said is [above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99516-Hurricanes-Harvey...-Irma...-Jos--...-Maria...&p=1182977&viewfull=1#post1182977)].

[Fellow Aspirant]

This Jim Stone guy has as much veracity as Ben Fulford, except that Fulford isn't trying doing Putin's work for him as a disrupter.

The last time I came across such tripe around here somebody was going on about how our solar system had become infested with planet-sized, invisible spheres full of blue cuckoos.

This guy is trolling the western world with his absurd claims, sowing lies to make the gullible doubt their own sanity.

Begone! I say. :wizard:

B.

Really? I have some seriously bad news for you. On the other hand, I wouldn't want to spoil your research ... if I can find it, anyone can ... :bigsmile:

f2FU8eee83w

gee, what are those containers behind her? People are dying... and she has time to print T-Shirts? Give me a frikkken break! :p


A modicum of research would have included a visit to Snopes, where one can easily find the following. For those of us who prefer the truth to such classic fake news as this Stone guy is spreading, Snopes is more reliable than most, certainly more reliable than any of the plethora of conservative, right wing, Putin paid sites that have infested the web for the last few years.

So, here's the truth ... (IMHO) ...

Did Puerto Rico's Teamsters Union Go on Strike During Hurricane Maria Relief Efforts?
Reports that truck drivers are on strike in Puerto Rico are false -- Teamsters have asked mainland truckers to distribute supplies in the U.S. territory.


CLAIM
In September 2017, truck drivers' unions in Puerto Rico went on strike and refused to take part in relief efforts after a series of hurricanes.


RATING: FALSE

ORIGIN

With Puerto Rico experiencing a humanitarian and infrastructural crisis in the aftermath of a series of hurricanes, a flurry of stories appeared at the end of September 2017 falsely claiming that a local union representing truck drivers had gone on strike, using the devastation to leverage an improvement in their pay and working conditions.

On 30 September 2017, the Conservative Treehouse blog quoted extensively (but selectively) from comments given to the Huffington Post by United States Air Force Colonel Michael Valle:

“The aid is getting to Puerto Rico. The problem is distribution. The federal government has sent us a lot of help; moving those supplies, in particular, fuel, is the issue right now,” says Col. Valle. Until power can be restored, generators are critical for hospitals and shelter facilities and more. But, and it’s a big but, they can’t get the fuel to run the generators.

They have the generators, water, food, medicine, and fuel on the ground, yet the supplies are not moving across the island as quickly as they’re needed.
“It’s a lack of drivers for the transport trucks, the 18 wheelers. Supplies we have. Trucks we have. There are ships full of supplies backed up in the ports, waiting to have a vehicle to unload into. However, only 20% of the truck drivers show up to work. These are private citizens in Puerto Rico, paid by companies that are contracted by the government,” says Col. Valle.

The Conservative Treehouse then went on to claim, again falsely, that the cause of this shortfall in truck drivers was a deliberate, coordinated strike action by the local Teamsters union. Similar claims were also made by the Gateway Pundit and entrepreneur Kambree Kawahine Koa.


The International Brotherhood of Teamsters rejected these claims entirely, telling us the reports were “fake news” and adding that the Teamsters Local 901 in Puerto Rico was “doing everything but refuse to help” in relief efforts.

In a statement, Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa called the reports “nothing but lies”:

These viral stories spreading across the internet are nothing but lies perpetrated by anti-union entities to further their destructive agenda. The fact that they are attempting to capitalize on the suffering of millions of citizens in Puerto Rico that are in dire need of our help by pushing these false stories, just exposes their true nature.

On 29 September 2017, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters issued a plea for help to members throughout the mainland United States, describing the efforts being made by local truck drivers in Puerto Rico, in the face of infrastructural devastation:

The Teamsters are doing what they can to improve the lives of our members there. That includes working with Joint Council 16 as well as Local 901 leadership in San Juan to identify ways how the union can help. The Teamsters are also joining together with labor unions from across the nation to identify skilled workers to travel to Puerto Rico next week to provide much needed support in critical areas.

There is currently a need for volunteer truck drivers who hold a Commercial Driver’s License (CDL) to transport shipping containers from the port to distribution centers throughout the island. Additionally, the Teamsters Freight, Airline, Passenger Transport, Package, Public Services and Waste Divisions are contacting Teamster employers that operate in Puerto Rico and our local unions throughout the U.S. and Canada to identify avenues of support and volunteers.

At this time, it is unclear if there are trucks available to move the containers, fuel to operate the trucks or road access to the distribution centers. However, the labor movement is working on the ground in Puerto Rico to bring volunteers to meet specific needs.

Indeed, Colonel Michael Valle — one of the sources cited by the Conservative Treehouse — went on to tell the Huffington Post:

There should be zero blame on the drivers. They can’t get to work, the infrastructure is destroyed, they can’t get fuel themselves, and they can’t call us for help because there’s no communication. The will of the people of Puerto Rico is off the charts. The truck drivers have families to take care of, many of them have no food or water. They have to take care of their family’s needs before they go off to work, and once they do go, they can’t call home. [Emphasis added].

A CNBC report cited in the Conservative Treehouse post also undermines the claim that there was a strike. As the reporter explains:

There are 3,000 cargo containers here at Crowley, one of the biggest shippers in Puerto Rico…Here’s the problem – the truck drivers can’t get to the terminal to get their containers out…You’re looking at truck drivers who can’t be reached by their businesses by cell phone, they don’t have the gas to get to work, and then even when they do get to work, their semi-trucks don’t have fuel. The problem is the supply chain.

Contrary to all this, the Conservative Treehouse claims that the local Teamsters union, which the article (again, falsely) identifies as Frente Amplio, “is refusing to move the product.” A spokesperson for the International Brotherhood of Teamsters confirmed that Frente Amplio is an independent truck drivers’ union in Puerto Rico and is not affiliated with the Teamsters in any way.

In any event, the Conservative Treehouse cites a Wapa TV interview with Victor Rodriguez, President of Frente Amplio, as evidence of a strike by truck drivers. In fact, it is evidence of no such thing. In the interview, Rodriguez criticizes Puerto Rico’s governor Ricardo Rosselló for a law he signed in April that changed how truck drivers obtain permits, but he does not declare strike action or a refusal to work on the part of Frente Amplio members. He says:
The truckers are doing what they need to do. The one not doing what he needs to do is the governor.
Rodriguez states that his organization had actually called off a planned strike before the arrival of Hurricane Irma, which caused widespread infrastructural damage to Puerto Rico in early September.

The governor of Puerto Rico was lucky — three weeks before Irma there was going to be a strike because of the law he passed.

At one point, Rodriguez does point to the power and leverage held by his members, saying:
The power is with the truckers. If the truckers don’t move, this country won’t move for two years.
However, he does not declare a strike or refusal to work and affirms “the truckers are going to work,” in this exchange with Wapa TV’s Eliezer Ramos:
Ramos: Are you telling me that truck drivers are not reporting to work because of a law?
Rodriguez: No, we’re doing what we need to do.
Ramos: But you just said that because of a law –
Rodriguez: No, excuse me, the truckers are going to work, and I expect truck drivers in the country to keep working with the people, who made it possible for us to use the roads.

Puerto Rico’s Teamsters Local 901 are not on strike or refusing to work, and they are in fact pleading with truck drivers on the United States mainland to help in the distribution of fuel and supplies there.

The Conservative Treehouse’s claims about this are based on cherry-picked quotes from a United States Air Force Colonel and a CNBC reporter, both of whose full remarks make clear that truck drivers in Puerto Rico are hampered by severe problems with infrastructure and distribution, but are not refusing to work.

Got a tip or a rumor? Contact us here.
Snopes Delivered to Your Inbox:


Source: http://www.snopes.com/puerto-rico-teamsters/

Come on, folks, get a grip. We're better than this.

B.

[Hervé]

Snopes- The Biggest Source of DISinformation. See Snopes DEBUNKED! (http://victuruslibertas.com/2016/10/snopes-the-biggest-source-of-disinformation-see-snopes-debunked/)

by Angie (http://victuruslibertas.com/author/administrator/) Posted on October 25, 2016 (http://victuruslibertas.com/2016/10/snopes-the-biggest-source-of-disinformation-see-snopes-debunked/)

http://victuruslibertas.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/snopes-debunked.jpg


I’ve known for quite a while that Snopes is nothing more than a media outlet/puppet for leftist global propaganda owned by George Soros. I laugh to myself every time I see a political post on a social media and it’s immediately followed up with “Snopes says that is not true”.

I will say, at one time, I, too would go to Snopes to verify if a story had truth or not, but definitely not in the past few years, since Obama has been in office. The first time I began to doubt Snopes and do my own research was when I had an Executive Order right in front of me and had JUST READ it, however, Snopes denied it. How can you say something is false when it’s right there on Whitehouse.gov in black and white??

Since that day, it has only gotten worse and time and time again Snopes has been “snoped” and found to be inaccurate. In fact, at one time I thought charges were being brought up against Snopes… I guess their puppetmaster must have gotten them out of that hot water, when she put them on her payroll.

All of this comes up because yesterday we found out that VL had been SNOPED!! Okay, we had a good laugh about it and frankly, we were a little flattered- Snopes is known world wide! Anyone who is informed KNOWS Snopes is a DISinformation site anyway, right?

Well, just in case… I wanted to break it down for you to show you how Snopes talks in circles, just like it’s owner, in order to make the truth look skewed.

[...]

Full article: http://victuruslibertas.com/2016/10/snopes-the-biggest-source-of-disinformation-see-snopes-debunked/


Related:
Snopes (snopes.com) debunked, debunking - All people are sheeple (http://all.people.are.sheeple.fyi/Snopes)

[Fellow Aspirant]

Leftist, shmeftist. Is what they posted correct or not?

IS WHAT THEY POSTED CORRECT OR NOT???????

The answer is YES. Snopes' analysis uses the words of those quoted by the FAKE NEWS to expose their deception.

Jim Stone et al are cherry picking and making up "facts" (also known as lying) to foment anger and chaos. And we all know whose tactics those are.

Whatever your basis of belief about Snopes, you must admit that they've done an exemplary job of refuting this story of Fake News.

B.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Wow. I see nothing in this so called "Debunking" claim that refutes the core of Snopes' claim. Apparently Snopes got two sources wrong, but the substance of what the Snopes article says is intact. This so-called debunking piece, which is in response to Snopes exposing their blog's lies (go figure - a disgruntled liar fires back) is merely a weak attempt at covering their own butts. Badly.

"Victurus Libertas" is a well known as but one of the dozens of anger driven blog sites that is a source of deeply paranoid and irrational lies and half truths. For them to have made a claim about debunking ANYTHING carries about as much weight as O.J. Simpson swearing that he never wore gloves.

Snopes is still one of my go-to sites for un-hysterical truth.

B.

[Bluegreen]

The owner of Snopes put his dominatrix-prostitute girlfriend in charge of fact checking :confused:

[TargeT]

Here's what I saw before, during, and after Maria hitting St Croix:

Y5vldoAAmzQ

Thanks for sharing the video. Unbelievable! You were brave to venture out there after the storm. How do you suppose the horses survive a storm like that, by huddling together?

Our neighbor built her house, it's wood and raised up on 6x6 posts; I thought it would do WAY worse in the storm than it did, she only lost parts of her porch, nothing too major (hard to see in the video, it was pretty dark) we waited till the winds died down and around 4 am went to go check on her, her kids are friends with our kids and we had tried to get them to stay with us during the storm.

They hid in the ruins of the hotel, it's been there since the 1940's and what is left is thick solid concrete. I didn't see any of them during the storm and got a little worried till I saw all their glowing eyes in a covered area of the ruins. (in the video they are in the ruins, you can see the sugar mill and some walls in the background).





Jim Stone et al are cherry picking and making up "facts" (also known as lying) to foment anger and chaos. And we all know whose tactics those are.


I'll have to agree with this one...

PR isn't just getting help for PR, PR is a staging point for FEMA supplies going to several different locations.

PR didn't get hit as bad as the USVI, they just have more people effected and get all the news, there's a huge response going to the three virgin islands. PR also have working ports for shipping. FEMA ships supplies to PR, they sit there for a bit while the final distribution points are set up or if they are already running they sit there until the supplies are needed at points that don't have any room for storage.


Most people have no grasp of what giant movements of equipment, personnel and supplies takes planning and logistics wise, some things may seem counter intuitive but that's just how large organizations function at times and this is multiple large organizations working together so it's even more cumbersome.



Snopes is still one of my go-to sites for un-hysterical truth.

B.

I don't know if I would go that far....

[Hervé]

US aid and relief supplies not reaching the suffering in Puerto Rico because San Juan teamster delivery drivers didn't show up for work (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/smoking-gun-san-juan-teamsters-didnt-show-work-distribute-relief-supplies-us-aid-rotting-ports/)

Jim Hoft The Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/smoking-gun-san-juan-teamsters-didnt-show-work-distribute-relief-supplies-us-aid-rotting-ports/)
Sat, 30 Sep 2017 00:00 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s21/422812/large/san_juan_mayor_soto_600x379.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s21/422812/full/san_juan_mayor_soto_600x379.jpg)


The liberal media is pounding President Trump over the suffering in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria.

The San Juan Mayor slammed President Trump for ignoring the suffering people of Puerto Rico.

She said this while standing in front of pallets of US aid from the mainland.

Now we know why the people have no aid. The Teamsters Union drivers did not show up to work. Only 20% of drivers arrived at the ports to distribute the relief supplies.

Conservative Treehouse (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/09/30/puerto-rico-teamsters-union-frente-amplio-refuse-to-deliver-supplies-use-hurricane-maria-as-contract-leverage/) reported:
Puerto Rican born and raised, Colonel Michael A. Valle ("Torch"), Commander, 101st Air and Space Operations Group, and Director of the Joint Air Component Coordination Element, 1st Air Force, responsible for Hurricane Maria relief efforts, has the following comment (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/us-military-on-puerto-rico-the-problem-is-distribution_us_59ce5906e4b0f3c468060dee):
...They have the generators, water, food, medicine, and fuel on the ground, yet the supplies are not moving across the island as quickly as they're needed.

"It's a lack of drivers for the transport trucks, the 18 wheelers. Supplies we have. Trucks we have. There are ships full of supplies, backed up in the ports, waiting to have a vehicle to unload into. However, only 20% of the truck drivers show up to work. These are private citizens in Puerto Rico, paid by companies that are contracted by the government".. (link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/us-military-on-puerto-rico-the-problem-is-distribution_us_59ce5906e4b0f3c468060dee)) More... here (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/09/30/puerto-rico-teamsters-union-frente-amplio-refuse-to-deliver-supplies-use-hurricane-maria-as-contract-leverage/).

The union is reportedly not allowing drivers to remove goods from the Port of San Juan.


https://www.sott.net/image/s21/422813/large/smoking_gun_336x600.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s21/422813/full/smoking_gun_336x600.jpg)


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https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/910644668643262464/HxvnGA5w_bigger.jpg Kambree Kawahine Koa‏Verified account @KamVTV (https://twitter.com/KamVTV)

Did mayor of San Juan mention union workers at port are on STRIKE & demanding money first before distributing supplies off boat? #amjoy (https://twitter.com/hashtag/amjoy?src=hash)

10:03 AM - 30 Sep 2017
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https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2264686404/uq1gubtgx0i78lis0msg_bigger.jpeg TheLastRefuge‏ @TheLastRefuge2 (https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2)

US MILITARY ON PUERTO RICO: "THE PROBLEM IS NOT FEDERAL, IT'S LOCAL DISTRIBUTION" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/us-military-on-puerto-rico-the-problem-is-distribution_us_59ce5906e4b0f3c468060dee?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004 … (https://t.co/SvSyYRcelx) via @HuffPostBlog (https://twitter.com/HuffPostBlog)

10:34 AM - 30 Sep 2017
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The relief bottleneck was out of the Port of San Juan.




https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/667093745611898880/8K3SC5Ad_bigger.png Cate Long‏Verified account @cate_long (https://twitter.com/cate_long)

Cate Long Retweeted La Fortaleza
Big number of semis now pulling out of Port of San Juan -- this was the relief bottleneck for Puerto Rico.

Cate Long added,
https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/914174344061784064/pu/img/hK1D_Er95wzxXkII.jpg 0:15

La Fortaleza @fortalezapr
Continúa la salida de furgones desde @PuertosPR @fema @ricardorossello @SecAsuntosPR

10:08 AM - 30 Sep 2017
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[Virma De Ris]

The liberal media is pounding President Trump over the suffering in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria.


The San Juan Mayor slammed President Trump for ignoring the suffering people of Puerto Rico.


From this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99516-Hurricanes-Harvey...-Irma...-Jos--...-Maria...&p=1183421&viewfull=1#post1183421).

So I guess Puerto Ricans deserve this?

YmOIKTzrBWM

Maybe this:


The liberal media is pounding President Trump over the suffering in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria.


The San Juan Mayor slammed President Trump for ignoring the suffering people of Puerto Rico.


Happens because of things like this:

J18rugiTxoU

I'm outta here. :rapture:

[TargeT]

The liberal media is pounding President Trump over the suffering in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria.


The San Juan Mayor slammed President Trump for ignoring the suffering people of Puerto Rico.


From this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99516-Hurricanes-Harvey...-Irma...-Jos--...-Maria...&p=1183421&viewfull=1#post1183421).

So I guess Puerto Ricans deserve this?

YmOIKTzrBWM

Maybe this:


The liberal media is pounding President Trump over the suffering in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria.


The San Juan Mayor slammed President Trump for ignoring the suffering people of Puerto Rico.


Happens because of things like this:

J18rugiTxoU

I'm outta here. :rapture:


Are we that snowflake of a nation that crap like that matters? (throwing paper towels to people who were trying to catch them when he is there to hand out supplies... do you think he should have respected the lines? what exactly is the issue with this distribution method??)


Haha, I'm a results guy, be as crass as you want while you deliver me supplies, my ego is far less important than even my comfort.. pride is a weakness, and PR residents are a very very proud people.


At least your island is getting attention, mine got hit by a full cat 5 that flattened concrete structures and there's not a much mention of the USVI.

Trump is headed here later this week however, maybe we too will benefit from his gaff's and un-P.C. behavior.

[Fellow Aspirant]

The owner of Snopes put his dominatrix-prostitute girlfriend in charge of fact checking :confused:

Wow, Bluegreen. Such a classic illogical ad hominem attack. It sullies our forum.

Why don't you stick to commenting on 4chan where such thinking is mandatory?

B.

[Bluegreen]

The owner of Snopes put his dominatrix-prostitute girlfriend in charge of fact checking :confused:

Wow, Bluegreen. Such a classic illogical ad hominem attack. It sullies our forum.

Why don't you stick to commenting on 4chan where such thinking is mandatory?

B.

OK

:)

:focus:

[ThePythonicCow]

The owner of Snopes put his dominatrix-prostitute girlfriend in charge of fact checking :confused:

Wow, Bluegreen. Such a classic illogical ad hominem attack. It sullies our forum.

Why don't you stick to commenting on 4chan where such thinking is mandatory?

B.

I don't trust Snopes ... and I don't trust those who generally trust and promote Snopes.

[Fellow Aspirant]

The owner of Snopes put his dominatrix-prostitute girlfriend in charge of fact checking :confused:

Wow, Bluegreen. Such a classic illogical ad hominem attack. It sullies our forum.

Why don't you stick to commenting on 4chan where such thinking is mandatory?

B.

OK

:)

:focus:

LOL! You kill me, Bluegreen. You have one weird sense of humour. And I know weird humour. It's one of my favourite passtimes. :bigsmile:

B.

[Fellow Aspirant]

I don't trust Snopes ... and I don't trust those who generally trust and promote Snopes.

Hi Paul

Well, of course you don't have to trust me or Snopes. I trust you, though, and likewise trust that you have done your own research and arrived at your conclusions rationally.

That said, I have been here before, justifying my use of Snopes' info to back up a claim. In my research into the site (Snopes) I find that the reaction to it falls into one of two ideologically driven camps:
one finds the site to be a useful, although not exclusively relied on place to find thorough, well researched, info pertaining to any number of issues. That's me!
I originally used it as a source for exposing Urban Legends for what they were, but have continued to check it occassionally as it morphed into the political realm. It still contains truth, IMHO.

And the political arena is where it has come under so much criticism, as the second camp is mostly composed of other sites and blogs that Snopes has exposed as being erroneous. These tend to be Alt-Right in their orientation and ideology. Their counterclaims of 'hoaxing' Snopes are, I believe, rooted in aggrieved hurt feelings. They are lashing back at writers who have made them look bad. Their claims of exposing lies and hidden agendas on the part of Snopes, like for example it being a site that is funded by George Soros, are without merit because they are not supported by any proof. Add to this the propensity of such bloggers and posters to 'cut & paste' these attacks, and one can pretty quickly fill the internet with what appears to be overwhelming condemnation of Snopes' intent and content. In actuality, the claims made by the bloggers are only lazy repetitions of half-baked theories that they have come across and wish to pile on with; discrediting the enemy is a pretty powerful impetus.

So yeah, I've done my research on any number of issues, including the integrity of Snopes. My conclusion is that they generally get it right, and in a very succinct way. That's what makes them so quotable.

As it turns out, the current work of Snopes is a continuation of what they have always done: putting the lie to Urban Myths.

I prefer my truth to be as unvarnished as possible, without the taint of ideological bias. To each his own, eh?

Namaste,

Brian

[KiwiElf]

"When you're walking on eggs,.. don't hop" :sun:

[Fellow Aspirant]

Re:
@ Fellow Aspirant - Coming from someone who admitted on another thread that your main source of info is Snopes, that's mildly amusing, even when given clear evidence that Snopes is one of the most unreliable sources of info around!.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...aria.../page16 - Posts #309 - 317

Respectfully,.. you (and we) are entitled to read and/or believe what we want without having you telling us what we should be believing according to your POV. No offense, but I don't believe you're qualified to judge our "sanity"? Nor are you the be-all and end-all authority on what IS or isn't REAL. Thanks!

You’re entirely welcome, KiwiElf.

As for [even when given clear evidence ] I think you meant to say [ especially ] here. And when was I given such clear evidence of anything regarding Snopes? Did I miss one of your comments somewhere?

Nope, just calling em’ as I see ‘em. Reality is very malleable. As is our notion of sanity. Everyone’s point of view is specific to them, as we all know, and opinions generated by such experience are also subjective. However, as to whether or not I am qualified to judge your sanity, I assert that I’m just as qualified as anyone else. When I wish to challenge an Avalon member’s sanity I have every right to do so. And I will continue to do so, within the bounds of decency (I hope). Yeah, I plead a mea culpa on the “b*tsh*t crazy” diction, and I apologize for any hurt feelings, but my strong reaction was and is fueled by what I consider to be outrageous claims posted here on our beloved forum. Outrageous, jaw-dropping claims that really have no place in our community’s dialogue, which for the most part is pretty rational.

I am pleading for everyone to reflect on their conclusions before posting their thoughts. Sometimes one’s convictions come from a dark and angry place that engenders an extremely negative reality, and once voiced, do tremendous collateral damage, derailing rational exchanges of ideas. As always, everyone should ask themselves "Do I think this this because I want to believe it and by doing so I will vent my anger, or do I believe this because it makes sense?"

As to my use of Snopes: That said, I have been here before, justifying my use of Snopes' info to back up a claim. ... [ Mod-edit: removed duplicate copy of the text used in another reply, a couple posts above. -- Paul. ] ... I prefer my truth to be as unvarnished as possible, without the taint of ideological bias. To each his own, eh?
Be well,

Brian

[ThePythonicCow]

I prefer my truth to be as unvarnished as possible, without the taint of ideological bias.
Snopes may pretend to be that, but I am confident that they are not.

[Fellow Aspirant]

I prefer my truth to be as unvarnished as possible, without the taint of ideological bias.
Snopes may pretend to be that, but I am confident that they are not.

Hmmm ... gut feeling, or can you provide some more solid proof?

B.

[ThePythonicCow]

I prefer my truth to be as unvarnished as possible, without the taint of ideological bias.
Snopes may pretend to be that, but I am confident that they are not.

Hmmm ... gut feeling, or can you provide some more solid proof?

B.

Neither. It's not worth my time to provide evidence. If you are a reader of Snopes and haven't realized their serious problems by now, there is nothing that I could say that would help.

[KiwiElf]

I prefer my truth to be as unvarnished as possible, without the taint of ideological bias.
Snopes may pretend to be that, but I am confident that they are not.

Hmmm ... gut feeling, or can you provide some more solid proof?

B.

Neither. It's not worth my time to provide evidence. If you are a reader of Snopes and haven't realized their serious problems by now, there is nothing that I could say that would help.

@ Fellow Aspirant - Re Snopes - Hervé already provided you with the proof and several sublinks on this thread - Post #315,

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99516-Hurricanes-Harvey...-Irma...-Jos--...-Maria.../page16

... and including this one:

http://all.people.are.sheeple.fyi/Snopes

Open the link, then the sublinks that follow.

[TargeT]

so... how about that hurricane?

Our curfew hours are 7pm to 9am.. I've been going to a local bar after work till 7 or so and helping him close up.. his kitchen has no roof or power but he's still selling pizza and alcohol; plus I know a lot of his customers so it's always fun to see who's around especially if I haven't seen them since before the storm.

Right now it seems like every 3rd person I talk to is leaving island but there's not much work (well, not much work if you don't want to get on a FEMA crew and clear roads... they are paying $20 an hour and hiring anyone it seems like), no power (and that's not changing any time soon) and everything is more difficult to do so I guess I understand that mentality.

I don't have that option with all the horses unfortunately.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks for another "down-to-earth" report, TargeT. That's what we like to hear...how things are REALLY going!! :highfive:

[Foxie Loxie]

So....how are things going NOW, TargeT? Anywheres near "normal"?! :sun:

[TargeT]

So....how are things going NOW, TargeT? Anywheres near "normal"?! :sun:

that won't be achieved for months yet, there still is no power anywhere and a curfew is in place from 8pm to 9am. the streets are very dark with no lights anywhere and there is a lot of debris to remove from the sides of the road (or the road).

Our airport was functional for a few days then "broke" for a good 2 days right after commercial flights had started up again, we had coordinated a chartered flight for 30 people's dogs to get off island (it's too hot to ship animals in cargo right now) but the flight was canceled due to the airport issues (Tim Duncan is down here right now for the same reason, he came to distribute supplies but his supply planes were delayed).

I got my first 3 days off this past weekend and Monday; but I mostly spent that time helping people and taking my kids to the water falls that appear after heavy rains (and avoid working on the mountain of projects at my place)... cell signal is starting to return but data is non-existent on the half of the island I live on. I only get internet access while at work or if I drive to a different town I hear it's there as well (haven't gone yet).

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks for taking the time to update us, TargeT! :grouphug:

[sandy]

Overwhelming to say the least TargeT...one small step at a time does bring semblance eventually.

:hug: Sending Love and Wishes for Daily Blessings as you travel this chaotic time.

[TargeT]

We've been working with FEMA and Dept of Agriculture (local, not federal) and today are helping to distribute 41 pallets of dog food to the various organizations that help with dogs/cats around the island.

We have also secured 15 pallets of horse feed (partly via donations from places like Project Avalon, thank you!) which is at least 3 months of feed which won't have to be worried about. On top of our daily feeding routine we've added in an every-other-day sun screen application session; there is very little shade and the horses (especially those with white markings) are getting sun-burnt (some of them look pretty funny). I never thought about that before the storm but luckily we already had the needed supplies.

We had flash flooding the past two days which completely stopped the electrical workers and debris clearing crews, our curfew has been adjusted to 7pm to 9am due to road hazards (it's pretty bad,there's large electric wires hanging everywhere, you can easily avoid them during the day but at night it's pretty hard.. there's been a few bad accidents).

Domestic abuse cases are up as people don't have many opportunities for stress relief and are stuck at houses with no power; there are radio adds telling people how to deal with stress (not sure if that helps or not).

On the bright side the "sticks" that our trees and "bush" turned into are now turning green.. it looks a bit strange but at least it doesn't look like an apocalyptic wasteland. I'll probably work on a video or something to show a bit of the past few weeks but I'm not super motivated right now.. I've only had 3 days off since the 3rd of last month... I need a vacation from this (these?) disaster... haha

[justntime2learn]

We've been working with FEMA and Dept of Agriculture (local, not federal) and today are helping to distribute 41 pallets of dog food to the various organizations that help with dogs/cats around the island.

We have also secured 15 pallets of horse feed (partly via donations from places like Project Avalon, thank you!) which is at least 3 months of feed which won't have to be worried about. On top of our daily feeding routine we've added in an every-other-day sun screen application session; there is very little shade and the horses (especially those with white markings) are getting sun-burnt (some of them look pretty funny). I never thought about that before the storm but luckily we already had the needed supplies.

We had flash flooding the past two days which completely stopped the electrical workers and debris clearing crews, our curfew has been adjusted to 7pm to 9am due to road hazards (it's pretty bad,there's large electric wires hanging everywhere, you can easily avoid them during the day but at night it's pretty hard.. there's been a few bad accidents).

Domestic abuse cases are up as people don't have many opportunities for stress relief and are stuck at houses with no power; there are radio adds telling people how to deal with stress (not sure if that helps or not).

On the bright side the "sticks" that our trees and "bush" turned into are now turning green.. it looks a bit strange but at least it doesn't look like an apocalyptic wasteland. I'll probably work on a video or something to show a bit of the past few weeks but I'm not super motivated right now.. I've only had 3 days off since the 3rd of last month... I need a vacation from this (these?) disaster... haha

They say no one needs a vacation more than the guy that just got off of one LOL.

Sounds like your spirits are up TargeT and that's great news!

Take care brother and be safe!

[Foxie Loxie]

Appreciate the update.....I'm sure you ALL could use a vacation!! :dizzy: Good to hear about the "green"!! :sun:

[Noelle]

We should probably add Ophelia to the thread's title. Patrick Riddie of Stop Spraying Us sees electromagnetic or acoustic ripples and aerosol spraying in and around this now category 3 hurricane.

Riddie uses NASA satellite imagery in his 13-minute Ophelia video, published today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1El0ieMtF1M

[sandy]

Good to hear from you TargeT and that you are plugging along.....not good to hear how slow the progress is in bringing some semblance back to life for you and others. Is there power on the other side of the Island? If so, can you take a few days and have a mini vacation on the side that didn't get the vicious whack you guys got?

They say a change is as good as a rest ....take care my Friend. :hug:

[Hervé]

On the other side of the pond:

Hurricane Ophelia threatens Ireland & UK with 90mph winds & flooding (VIDEOS) (https://www.rt.com/news/406739-hurricane-ophelia-ireland-uk/)

RT
Published time: 15 Oct, 2017 13:05
Get short URL (https://on.rt.com/8pub)


https://cdni.rt.com/files/2017.10/original/59e32c8afc7e933e638b4567.JPG
© NASA


A particularly violent hurricane season is finally coming to a close in the Atlantic, but not before yielding yet another surprise, as Ophelia is set to batter Ireland and the UK over the next two days.

Hurricane Ophelia formed in a persistent low-pressure system in the middle of the ocean, as opposed to developing in the tropics like the rest of this year's hurricanes, and will lash northwestern Europe with winds of up to 90mph (144kph). Power outages, felled trees, and flooding are expected across Ireland and the United Kingdom.


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[animation at link (https://twitter.com/severeweatherEU/status/919466957333848064)]


ECMWF model guidance for Ophelia's landfall in Ireland mid-morning tomorrow. Peak wind gusts may well reach or exceed 160 km/h. Map: Windy

12:36 AM - 15 Oct 2017 5 replies 171 retweets 122 likes
“Flying debris is likely, such as tiles blown from roofs, as well as large waves around coastal districts with beach material being thrown onto coastal roads, sea fronts and properties. This leads to the potential for injuries and danger to life,” according to the British meteorological office (https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/warnings#?date=2017-10-16).

“We’ve had a very active hurricane season, but the remains of Hurricanes Maria and José passed us by harmlessly, as is usually the case,” a spokesperson for Ireland’s official weather service, Met Eireann, said, according to the Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/hurricane-ophelia-ireland-braces-storm-sixty-years-met-eireann-a8000971.html).

“But Ophelia is unusual because hurricanes would usually come from America or the Caribbean, whereas this one is coming from the southwest, below the Azores,” they added. “It’s worth noting that Hurricane Debbie also came from this unusual direction and source region.”
The Atlantic is typically too cold for hurricanes to develop, let alone survive long enough to make landfall in western Europe. It will also be the Atlantic’s tenth consecutive hurricane in 2017, Popular Science (https://www.popsci.com/hurricane-ophelia-british-isles) reports.




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Incredible NASA images of Hurricane Ophelia Remember this is the North Atlantic not the Caribbean!

10:56 AM - 14 Oct 2017 from Collets Green, England (https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A5fb82d9112d27acf)
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BREAKING Ophelia, heading for the British Isles, is now a 115mph Category 3 hurricane. This is not normal. http://bit.ly/2g9i35a (https://t.co/1GuwgUxw1w) #Ophelia (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ophelia?src=hash)


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4:22 PM - 14 Oct 2017 79 replies 601 retweets 335 likes For context, there haven’t been this many Atlantic hurricanes since the 19th century.

While not unprecedented (Hurricane Vince was the first recorded tropical hurricane to make landfall on the Iberian Peninsula in 2005), Ophelia formed where hurricanes usually disappear; in the North Atlantic. These types of storms usually require warm water to survive, and once water temperatures drop, they dissipate.

By the time Ophelia makes landfall in western Europe, it will have lost the majority of its tropical characteristics. This can, however, create an even more expansive area of effect, with winds stretching out further than they would if the storm didn’t reach the ‘post-tropical’ phase.

"Given the lead time and the inherent uncertainties that come with the modelling of a tropical system it won’t be possible to quantify the exact timing, nor the strength or intensity of the wind and rain," Ireland’s Met Éireann wrote in a statement (https://www.met.ie/news/display.asp?ID=448). Met Éireann has issued a red weather alert, its highest level warning, across the west of Ireland.

The temperature in the upper atmosphere is bitterly cold, creating convection currents in the air stream between the upper and lower atmosphere which has allowed Ophelia to survive for so long, while also creating intense thunderstorms in the hurricane’s eye.

Ventusky: https://www.ventusky.com/?p=46.8;-10.5;3&l=wind

[avid]

We have been targetted so many times now, Desmond et al, there was a time when we literally had only 3 hours to evacuate, before the next hit arrived. Why is the infrastructure of North West Cumbria being consistently targetted.
Possibly due to corporate interests in that precious region, the ‘Energy Coast’, did we agree to this marketing fiasco? Nuclear waste being objected to, and deliberately poisoning the local folk with vile borehole waste so they will suffer terrible repercussions for many years to come.Corporate greed, let’s un-cover the reasons why local folk are ignored...
Absolute corporate greed is the answer, never mind the local folk who are disposable, this all looks like an inhumane agenda 😱

[StandingWave]

Hurricanes have dealt Ireland a few horrid blows over the years, none so awesome as what happened in 1839:


At approximately 3 o’clock in the afternoon, the rain began to fall and the wind picked up. Nobody could possibly have predicted that those first soft raindrops signified an advance assault from the most terrifying hurricane in human memory. By 6 o’clock, the winds had become strong and the raindrops were heavier, sleet-like, with occasional bursts of hail. Farmers grimaced as their hay-ricks and thatched roofs took a pounding. In the towns and villages, fires flickered and doors slammed. Church bells chimed and dogs began to whine. Fishermen turned their ears west; a distant, increasingly loud rumble could be heard upon the frothy horizon. (quoted from the article linked below describing what ensued)

Read the whole article here: The Night of the Big Wind - known in Irish as ‘Oiche na Gaoithe Moire’ (http://www.turtlebunbury.com/history/history_irish/history_irish_bigwind.htm)

[Hervé]

See animation at link: https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/919943910285348864


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Strongest winds funneled into the Irish Sea...

[avid]

It has arrived on west coast Cumbria, OMG it’s nasty. Thankfully, my brother came up to keep me company, we’re on top of a hill on the Solway Firth, hope my tiles stay on....

[RunningDeer]

It has arrived on west coast Cumbria, OMG it’s nasty. Thankfully, my brother came up to keep me company, we’re on top of a hill on the Solway Firth, hope my tiles stay on....

With you and brother, avid.http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/come-in-hug.gif

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.......http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/fire.gif
Probably a lot of us are.
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♡

[avid]

Unbelievable force, 2 heavy upside down metal wheelbarrows in ‘sheltered’ place under wall flipped and loose, a large heavy cement mixer upended, and more scarily scaffold platforms laid flat in a ‘safe’ place thrown about like paper, and they are really heavy. My builder just came over my garden wall (he lives behind), and they secured their kit as far as we can, wind changing direction now. How can wind throw a huge cement mixer over in a sheltered spot? Got torches and candles out just in case, this is the worst storm since desmond windiness. Why don’t neighbours upside their kids’ trampolines? Thanks for all your well wishes, not a patch on Target or Lady M, but totally wrong. This morning sky was dark red with no wind and very hot for hours, almost dark. Sand-strewn atmosphere?

[Hervé]

Impending doom? ‘Eerie’ red sun linked to #StormOphelia freaks out Twitter (https://www.rt.com/uk/406864-red-sun-storm-ophelia/)

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Some unusual solar activity has got social media spooked. The sun over England appeared red and slightly menacing on Monday, triggering fears of an imminent apocalypse. Many took to Twitter to share their thoughts on the “eerie” spectacle.

The unusual occurrence was seen throughout the country and is thought to have been caused by Storm Ophelia. The red sun was accompanied by ominous-looking, yellow-grey clouds.

According to the Met Office, the red sun was caused by winds pulling up Saharan dust. This dust is then reflected and refracted in longer wavelengths, giving it a red appearance in the sky.

Some areas have been forced to turn on street lights in the middle of the day as the dust partially blocked out the sun.


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Sun over Chorley, Lancashire on Monday morning © Brian Fisher / Twitter


Using the hashtags #redsun and #apocalyptic, unnerved Brits have shared their photos and videos on social media.

Twitter user Firetrapdiva wrote: “Today has a weird feel about it. The air is strange, the sky is weird and the sun is red. Someone just said it’s the sign of impending doom!”

Another user said: “Today is the day we die, the apocalypse is coming. Lock your doors and remember to remove the head or destroy the brain.”

User Louise Gray said: “Odd old sky out there today and eerily calm… It’s like something out of an apocalypse film.”





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Have you seen the red sun shining down on Wolverhampton this morning?


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3:02 AM - 16 Oct 2017 3 replies 19 retweets 40 likes AJ Reid, a resident in the north of England, claimed: “Birds [are] flying into windows, ears ringing, no phone signal. Getting spooky around here.”

Peter Stoneman tweeted “I hope this isn’t the rapture,” while another wrote “#RedSun over Oxford and Witney makes me feel like some prophecy is starting that I haven’t heard of.”


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Red sun taken at midday in Salisbury © Judy A. / Twitter


Forecasters have issued a “danger to life” warning as Storm Ophelia, one of the biggest storms in years, makes landfall in the UK and Ireland.

A woman has died in the Republic of Ireland after a tree fell on her car amid high winds, while another man was killed as he attempted to clear a tree using a chainsaw.

Hundreds of flights have also been grounded, with winds of up to 80mph predicted.
Ireland is bracing itself for the worst of the storm. Its weather service has issued a red warning saying “violent and destructive” wind is forecast nationwide.

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I , too, saw that red orange sun at mid day today... strange indeed.

There's been warm air coming from the south, entrained by Ophelia anticlockwise spin running up the Atlantic... hence the "Red Sun": Sahara's dust and sand, yes, but mostly smoke from Spain and Portugal wildfires (https://www.sott.net/article/364565-Deadly-wildfires-sweep-across-Portugal-and-northern-Spain-killing-6)... paralleling California wildfires and Disneyland orange skies and red sun (http://time.com/4975865/disneyland-anaheim-wildfires-orange-county/)...

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks for the update...our thoughts & prayers are with you! :heart:

[Noelle]

Ophelia's track was quite a distance from north Africa and the Sahara. Yes, be safe, Avid and others in the region!

[Hervé]

Ophelia's track was quite a distance from north Africa and the Sahara. Yes, be safe, Avid and others in the region!
You would have to have looked at the winds patterns around it while Ophelia was climbing up North. Like with Ventusky (https://www.ventusky.com/) or Global Winds (https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/orthographic=7.51,57.70,513).

like so, from here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/Dust haze from the Sahara -- La Calima -- is still enveloping the islands:) (<---):



Dust haze from the Sahara -- La Calima (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_local_winds#C-E) -- is still enveloping the islands:




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[Satellite photo of La Calima (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saharan_Air_Layer) over the Canary islands]


... or from here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30888-Tirelessly-updating-Avalon-on-the-El-Hierro-eruption.&p=445120&viewfull=1#post445120) (<---):



And the approaching dust storm from the Sahara which has reached El Hierro by now, hence the "fog" (Calima) on the webcams:

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[Noelle]

BBC is reporting that planes were forced to land in the UK due to the smell of smoke in the atmosphere. One passenger said it smelled like fireworks. Caused by Sahara dust drawn in by Ophelia and Portugal fires?

'Smoke smell' forces flights to land at UK airports (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-41639386)

[Hervé]

BBC is reporting that planes were forced to land in the UK due to the smell of smoke in the atmosphere. One passenger said it smelled like fireworks. Caused by Sahara dust drawn in by Ophelia and Portugal fires?

'Smoke smell' forces flights to land at UK airports (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-41639386)
I guess the following connection (which is included in that BBC article) escaped most:

[...]
... hence the "Red Sun": Sahara's dust and sand, yes, but mostly smoke from Spain and Portugal wildfires (https://www.sott.net/article/364565-Deadly-wildfires-sweep-across-Portugal-and-northern-Spain-killing-6)... paralleling California wildfires and Disneyland orange skies and red sun (http://time.com/4975865/disneyland-anaheim-wildfires-orange-county/)...

[Foxie Loxie]

Avid....how ARE you?! The damage must have been horrible! :facepalm:

[avid]

Foxie, thanks for your concerns, it eventually blew out at 2.00pm today.
Apart from rampant building equipment, seems to be okay, yet to check roof but new front door man just left.
Coast road closed due to breakers over Dub Mill Point, due to high tide, but that happens annually during storms, waves crash over the farmhouse!

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

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Red sun taken at midday in Salisbury © Judy A. / Twitter


[/I] Peter Stoneman tweeted “I hope this isn’t the rapture,” while another wrote [I]“#RedSun over Oxford and Witney makes me feel like some prophecy is starting that I haven’t heard of.”


Thanks for posting that. I can confirm the veracity of this phenomenon, but had thought it highly localized. Apparently not. It was actually one of the weirdest things I've ever seen - meteorologically speaking. My elderly mother called and said 'look at the Sun!' She couldn't believe it, and was very alarmed. It was absolutely blood-red, like a gigantic luminous Mars, and the sky was yellow, I mean really, really sickly yellow.

This is what the cast was really like (in the middle of the afternoon!).

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Very strange. Glad to see the back of that storm and to hear all are ok.

[Hervé]

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[Foxie Loxie]

Heads Up for Avid! Looks like another one is heading your way! Let's hope not!! :pray:

[justntime2learn]

I just signed up to go there and help. Just waiting for a call ...

Have they forgotten about Saint Croix?

Hurricane Irma Support

"**Everything below is subject to change as the situation in Puerto Rico develops. We thank you in advance for your patience and support**"

http://www.ctpuertoricanagenda.com/hurricaneirmasignup

Just received this by email if it helps: Charles --

Thank you for signing up to volunteer. Please share our work with anyone you know who can contribute. You can also find regular updates on our face book page here.

If you or anyone you know is in need of emergency services on the island, please find the government agency emergency numbers here.

While we will do donation drives when needed, our primary goal is to ensure our island receives all of the direct immediate disaster relief it needs. This means forcing our elected officials in Congress to treat Puerto Rico with the same urgency as other natural disasters.

Please contact your congressional representatives and demand that Puerto Rico receive full and complete FEMA support and reimbursement.

Secondly, on October 1st, the CT Puerto Rican Agenda as part of the Puerto Rico Hurricane Relief Network will be hosting a fundraiser and information session at 95 Park St in Hartford. Please join us and share our event with your friends and family in CT.

We at the CT Puerto Rican Agenda appreciate the outpouring of support we received already, and we look forward to uniting our diaspora community around helping our people weather another storm.


Jason Ortiz, CT Puerto Rican Agenda President
http://www.ctpuertoricanagenda.com/

[TargeT]

Please contact your congressional representatives and demand that Puerto Rico receive full and complete FEMA support and reimbursement.


PR seems real greedy to me in this post hurricane.... they are trying to pull a Rahm Emanuel on this "disaster". (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow)...

makes me want to wash my hands... gross behavior.





We are still around 10-15% energized (85-90% with out power) curfew is 8pm to 5am (wish it was a bit later, but we're still having people run into things at night so it's not safe enough yet).

One of the local music groups wrote (ok, adapted) a song, pretty funny IMO... haha
2-5WycubAjA


I'm taking my kids to the waterfalls (really just rain run off, they are dry most the year) once or twice a week as it's hitting low 90's still here (pretty hot) and there's not much to do... I've hosted several movie nights at my place, not many people have power or even a generator to make power. Domestic violence cases are still up as everyone is hot and sweaty and stuck inside from 8pm to 5am so having something to do after the sun is down is a great stress reliever.

I go to work and download movies then bring them back home. It's an interesting new way of life. We've successfully figured out how to manage power so we all have fans all night long (GODSEND!) and my fridges mostly work (having some electrical issues I'm troubleshooting).

It could be worse... we have a LOT of people here from the states and national guard units are rotating in and out from all over (just got some guys from alaska yesterday).

[justntime2learn]

Please contact your congressional representatives and demand that Puerto Rico receive full and complete FEMA support and reimbursement.


PR seems real greedy to me in this post hurricane.... they are trying to pull a Rahm Emanuel on this "disaster". (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow)...

makes me want to wash my hands... gross behavior.





We are still around 10-15% energized (85-90% with out power) curfew is 8pm to 5am (wish it was a bit later, but we're still having people run into things at night so it's not safe enough yet).

One of the local music groups wrote (ok, adapted) a song, pretty funny IMO... haha
2-5WycubAjA


I'm taking my kids to the waterfalls (really just rain run off, they are dry most the year) once or twice a week as it's hitting low 90's still here (pretty hot) and there's not much to do... I've hosted several movie nights at my place, not many people have power or even a generator to make power. Domestic violence cases are still up as everyone is hot and sweaty and stuck inside from 8pm to 5am so having something to do after the sun is down is a great stress reliever.

I go to work and download movies then bring them back home. It's an interesting new way of life. We've successfully figured out how to manage power so we all have fans all night long (GODSEND!) and my fridges mostly work (having some electrical issues I'm troubleshooting).

It could be worse... we have a LOT of people here from the states and national guard units are rotating in and out from all over (just got some guys from alaska yesterday).

Hi TargeT,

I just wanted to really help and that's why I volunteered to be on the ground as many choices were offered other than monetary. I was offering my time and labor free of charge to help, feeling the contribution would mean more seeing it in action. There were many options on the link versus monetary, so I chose to be there on the ground.

You're right on target TargeT, so I won't bother anyone with the email I just received which is much more of the same. Their agenda is sounding more selfish which throws up every red flag, Bell and whistle for me.

It's so difficult to fully experience the glory of giving while you have a complete understanding of all the smiley glad hands.

It feels like the worlds thought process has been reduced while requiring a phenomenal amount of discernment just to help those in real need.

Much love to all on our quest for the truth :heart:

[sandy]

Hi TargeT,

Good to hear things are happening slowly but surely which is better than not. Maybe another new adventure is on the horizon when the electrical all comes back online.......Family Weekend Theatre or Drive-in............I loved the Drive-in when I was a youngun'..

Sending continued Best Regards to YOU and FAMILY and all the ISLANDERS too including the Helpers from afar!!:grouphug:

[TargeT]

You're right on target TargeT, so I won't bother anyone with the email I just received which is much more of the same. Their agenda is sounding more selfish which throws up every red flag, Bell and whistle for me.

It's so difficult to fully experience the glory of giving while you have a complete understanding of all the smiley glad hands.


I couldn't agree more, we are moving pallets of food (animal food, dog and horse mostly) down here and trying to distribute it as fairly as possible, but people get greedy and take WAY more than is reasonable so we have to be vigilant.

It's unfortunate but I suppose it's a byproduct of capitalism.

You do have to be careful how and who you help, lots of opportunists following disasters unfortunately.




Hi TargeT,

Good to hear things are happening slowly but surely which is better than not. Maybe another new adventure is on the horizon when the electrical all comes back online.......Family Weekend Theatre or Drive-in............I loved the Drive-in when I was a youngun'..

Sending continued Best Regards to YOU and FAMILY and all the ISLANDERS too including the Helpers from afar!!:grouphug:

I've been hosting movie nights at my house for a couple weeks now, the "near zero socialization" aspect of the hurricane is causing a lot of mental stress on top of everything else... this island is full of people used to going out at night and hanging out with people ( they call it "liming" down here (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=liming)).

I've got a great back porch we fill with couches and chairs, move the TV outside and everyone hangs out; Curfew just got lifted further it's now 11pm to 5am, (because of the world series mostly.... haha) I was out in town last night just because I could be.. haha


I'd say we are about 18-25% energized as far as power goes... it's getting there!


"On St. Croix, service was restored to portions of Feeder 1A including: Seaborne, Red Brick community, Estate Richmond, Department of Property and Procurement offices, and VITEMA. On Feeder 5A, the Sunny Isle Shopping Center including Scotiabank and Viya’s headquarters have been restored. On Feeder 6A, Club St. Croix, Harborview, Golden Rock, JFK housing community, Colony Cove, Carib Villas, Sugar Beach and the LBJ lift station were all restored. On Feeder 8B, Budget Rent-A-Car on the airport road, VI National Guard headquarters, the FAA control tower, facilities of Cruzan Rum were restored, as were as some underground circuits. Crews also reconstructed primary circuits in the areas from Concordia Gas Station to the police station in Frederiksted, from Mountain Gas Station to Carlton and from the Hannah’s Rest intersection to Claude O. Markoe Elementary School. More than 300 new poles have been planted on St. Croix as part of the hurricane restoration."
http://viconsortium.com/virgin-islands-2/heres-wapas-latest-restoration-update/

[TargeT]

One of the homeless guys that occupied an area I frequented was found stabbed to death on my birthday (https://stcroixsource.com/2017/10/15/man-stabbed-to-death-in-williams-delight/), we called him "Bipolar" (he seemed a bit manic/depressive) and I'm sure his earned name lead to his murder.

Pretty sad, he used to harass me all the time about washing my truck, I'd always come back with some stupid "dad joke" about how the dirt protects my paint or something. One time I was bringing my big horse trailer into the projects to move a horse and I took a corner too short and ran over the corner of a garden he had made along the street in front of a business. He was pissed and would yell at my wife that I had to fix it so I bought him a 6 pack of beer and he said it was too much and was happy to see us ever since.

Curfew has been lifted across all the islands as of Monday; no one has power yet but at least we can goto the bars with generators and relax a bit (which is a very common activity down here). Most Restaurants have modified "hurricane" menus with more affordable food (still great though!) though the drink prices haven't dropped at all (haha).

I downloaded Season 2 of Stranger things and we had a gigantic cheese board nibbling watch session for Halloween last night; my back porch has turned into a sort of outdoor movie theater for our family and friends.

[Noelle]

One of the homeless guys that occupied an area I frequented was found stabbed to death on my birthday (https://stcroixsource.com/2017/10/15/man-stabbed-to-death-in-williams-delight/), we called him "Bipolar" (he seemed a bit manic/depressive) and I'm sure his earned name lead to his murder.

Pretty sad, he used to harass me all the time about washing my truck, I'd always come back with some stupid "dad joke" about how the dirt protects my paint or something. One time I was bringing my big horse trailer into the projects to move a horse and I took a corner too short and ran over the corner of a garden he had made along the street in front of a business. He was pissed and would yell at my wife that I had to fix it so I bought him a 6 pack of beer and he said it was too much and was happy to see us ever since.

Curfew has been lifted across all the islands as of Monday; no one has power yet but at least we can goto the bars with generators and relax a bit (which is a very common activity down here). Most Restaurants have modified "hurricane" menus with more affordable food (still great though!) though the drink prices haven't dropped at all (haha).

I downloaded Season 2 of Stranger things and we had a gigantic cheese board nibbling watch session for Halloween last night; my back porch has turned into a sort of outdoor movie theater for our family and friends.

The poor guy!

How are the bigger resorts doing? I am guessing that some may have to go out of business.

[TargeT]

The poor guy!

How are the bigger resorts doing? I am guessing that some may have to go out of business.

You can't find a room or a rental car on St Croix right now, with the influx military / fema / outside workers we are "flush"... every restaurant is packed, bars stay busy and in some parts of the island it almost looks like normal (very small parts).

It's both far better, and far worse than most people think.. a hard situation to explain, harder still because the culture down here was already so much different than the US before the hurricane.

Anyone who stayed to stick it through this hard time will come out ahead I think. I doubt any large businesses will do anything but grow at this point.

[Foxie Loxie]

So.....you're not moving back to Alaska???! ;)

[TargeT]

So.....you're not moving back to Alaska???! ;)

I don't use the word much, but I'm confident I can here.

I'll never move back to Alaska.

I may be taking a job elsewhere (if the interview goes well), but still maintaining a house and the rescue / tours here; and looking to open a horse tour there as well (gotta expand or die in capitalism... just the way the game works).

This area was never more than a transition for us anyway; though one we will leave roots in for sure!

[ThePythonicCow]

We are still around 10-15% energized (85-90% with out power)
Good news - help is on the way.

Puerto Rico has given a $300 million no bid contract to rebuild their power infrastructure to the company Whitefish Energy.

You (anyone reading this) haven't heard of Whitefish Energy ?

Let me help. Whitefish Energy is a small company operating out of a rural residence in the small Montana town of Whitefish, with a permanent staff of two employees. It has no prior experience in such large opertations.

U.S. Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke is also from the small town of Whitefish, Montana. He denies that he had anything to do with the contract ... purely a coincidence, I'm sure.

More details at: Whitefish Scandal Shows Government Takes Advantage When Needed Most (http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/whitefish-scandal-shows-government-takes-advantage-when-needed-most/).

:facepalm:

[Noelle]

We are still around 10-15% energized (85-90% with out power)
Good news - help is on the way.

Puerto Rico has given a $300 million no bid contract to rebuild their power infrastructure to the company Whitefish Energy.

You (anyone reading this) haven't heard of Whitefish Energy ?

Let me help. Whitefish Energy is a small company operating out of a rural residence in the small Montana town of Whitefish, with a permanent staff of two employees. It has no prior experience in such large opertations.

U.S. Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke is also from the small town of Whitefish, Montana. He denies that he had anything to do with the contract ... purely a coincidence, I'm sure.

More details at: Whitefish Scandal Shows Government Takes Advantage When Needed Most (http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/whitefish-scandal-shows-government-takes-advantage-when-needed-most/).

:facepalm:

It looks like the contract was cancelled amidst the scrutiny. See this article (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/29/560683583/puerto-rican-governor-calls-for-cancellation-of-controversial-whitefish-contract).

[TargeT]

We are still around 10-15% energized (85-90% with out power)
Good news - help is on the way.

Puerto Rico has given a $300 million no bid contract to rebuild their power infrastructure to the company Whitefish Energy.

You (anyone reading this) haven't heard of Whitefish Energy ?

Let me help. Whitefish Energy is a small company operating out of a rural residence in the small Montana town of Whitefish, with a permanent staff of two employees. It has no prior experience in such large opertations.

U.S. Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke is also from the small town of Whitefish, Montana. He denies that he had anything to do with the contract ... purely a coincidence, I'm sure.

More details at: Whitefish Scandal Shows Government Takes Advantage When Needed Most (http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/whitefish-scandal-shows-government-takes-advantage-when-needed-most/).

:facepalm:

It looks like the contract was cancelled amidst the scrutiny. See this article (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/29/560683583/puerto-rican-governor-calls-for-cancellation-of-controversial-whitefish-contract).

Does not surprise me at all; though they (FEMA) are "trying their best", I'm sure there will be many situations like this (though how many will be stopped as this one appears to have been?)

[Bob]

Just heard from my friend in Puerto Rico.

His on the ground report is as follows:

FEMA is blocking shipments from reaching PR.. He is aware of shipment of necessities being held in Florida, being prevented from reaching port(s) in PR.

Batteries are basically non-existent. He has a solar system with inverter, but no batteries.. He needs batteries desperately (as do the others on the Island).

He has food (basic grains, "bread") and water. Not much else.

He said the "power line rebuilding" escapade is a total scandal, doubts it will succeed..

He has no land-line, nor internet. Says the tower for his wireless internet is down, and doesn't have any time when it will be repaired.

He says what we hear on "news" services is nothing like how it is in actuality on the land.

They are still worried about the dam breaking.

[Noelle]

Just heard from my friend in Puerto Rico.

His on the ground report is as follows:

FEMA is blocking shipments from reaching PR.. He is aware of shipment of necessities being held in Florida, being prevented from reaching port(s) in PR.

Batteries are basically non-existent. He has a solar system with inverter, but no batteries.. He needs batteries desperately (as do the others on the Island).

He has food (basic grains, "bread") and water. Not much else.

He said the "power line rebuilding" escapade is a total scandal, doubts it will succeed..

He has no land-line, nor internet. Says the tower for his wireless internet is down, and doesn't have any time when it will be repaired.

He says what we hear on "news" services is nothing like how it is in actuality on the land.

They are still worried about the dam breaking.

Thanks for the update, Bob. No wonder so many have decided to leave. Has anyone seen an "official" number of people who have left Puerto Rico, whether before (evacuees) or after Hurricane Maria? I know a slew have come to Central Florida.

[Foxie Loxie]

Wish I could figure out "who" had it "in" for PR & what exactly their plan is for rebuilding....or, taking over?! :confused:

[justntime2learn]

Here's an update from one of my friends who is there.

"UPDATE: NOV. 8TH 2017 — Puerto Rico still needs ‘unprecedented’ help! The September storm damage is estimated at $45 to $95 billion. So far, Congress has only approved $5 billion in aid. Now that cameras are gone, people can’t imagine what the Puerto Ricans are going through. While conditions have somewhat improved since the Sept. 20 storm — 4 out of 5 Puerto Ricans are still without electric. The Government estimates power to return by April 2018. The longest blackout in American history is far from the island's biggest problem. Homes haven't been rebuilt, thousands remain in shelters and tens of thousands of houses do not have roofs. Many are still waiting for installation of temporary tarps which will take months. People' jobs and income are gone including basic government functions ie: police, firefighters, teachers and other public employees. The island’s power grid and other infrastructure are virtually destroyed. Communications shaky (internet + phones)"

[Bob]

Highly consistent with my friend's observation on the Island. I talked with him today once again (a plea for batteries for solar systems, as portable generator systems are creating noxious fumes)..

He mentioned Trump should be taking names.. (figurative speech.. re: getting to the bottom of corruption).. that for folks to get supplies, they have to pay bribes.. Corruption in other words. We briefly discussed if the FEMA group has been witholding shipments/necessities because of corruption, or a requirement to pay a "bribe" to get needed commodities..

This could be literally another swamp to expose.. Corruption and those bleeding the residents dry to make $$$ due to tragedy.. This is NOT something to ignore if one is "draining the swamp"..




Here's an update from one of my friends who is there.

"UPDATE: NOV. 8TH 2017 — Puerto Rico still needs ‘unprecedented’ help! The September storm damage is estimated at $45 to $95 billion. So far, Congress has only approved $5 billion in aid. Now that cameras are gone, people can’t imagine what the Puerto Ricans are going through. While conditions have somewhat improved since the Sept. 20 storm — 4 out of 5 Puerto Ricans are still without electric. The Government estimates power to return by April 2018. The longest blackout in American history is far from the island's biggest problem. Homes haven't been rebuilt, thousands remain in shelters and tens of thousands of houses do not have roofs. Many are still waiting for installation of temporary tarps which will take months. People' jobs and income are gone including basic government functions ie: police, firefighters, teachers and other public employees. The island’s power grid and other infrastructure are virtually destroyed. Communications shaky (internet + phones)"

[TargeT]

Wish I could figure out "who" had it "in" for PR & what exactly their plan is for rebuilding....or, taking over?! :confused:

PR has it in for themselves...

They had a truck driver strike that held up the delivery of FEMA goods

Tons of anti-fema propaganda being pushed for reasons that smell very political (Democrats flailing at trump? Sad but it seems like this is the case)




Here's an update from one of my friends who is there.

"UPDATE: NOV. 8TH 2017 — Puerto Rico still needs ‘unprecedented’ help! The September storm damage is estimated at $45 to $95 billion. So far, Congress has only approved $5 billion in aid. Now that cameras are gone, people can’t imagine what the Puerto Ricans are going through. While conditions have somewhat improved since the Sept. 20 storm — 4 out of 5 Puerto Ricans are still without electric. The Government estimates power to return by April 2018. The longest blackout in American history is far from the island's biggest problem. Homes haven't been rebuilt, thousands remain in shelters and tens of thousands of houses do not have roofs. Many are still waiting for installation of temporary tarps which will take months. People' jobs and income are gone including basic government functions ie: police, firefighters, teachers and other public employees. The island’s power grid and other infrastructure are virtually destroyed. Communications shaky (internet + phones)"

Oh gee, imagine that, they mention money in the first line...

"longest black out in american history" .... haha, I guess they forgot about when Hugo hit St Croix in 89 and power was out for around a year+... Or that St Thomas was hit by IRMA and still doesn't have power restored to the majority of the island (making THAT longer than "the longest black out in America")

Maybe it's a difference in culture?

We only have around 500 linemen from the states here, there's more in PR... in fact PR is getting the majority of the electrical supplies and our guys end up sitting on their hands at times waiting for more poles and cables.

I think many, if not nearly all of PR's current problems are self inflicted and indicative of the corruption that lead them to financial ruin before the storm.


Highly consistent with my friend's observation on the Island. I talked with him today once again (a plea for batteries for solar systems, as portable generator systems are creating noxious fumes)..

Hmm, I've been running a generator every night for months now... maybe he lives in an enclosed area or is running his gen inside? (85% of the island is on generator or has no power still here; ICE sells (collectively) by the TON, DAILY...)

Also, "solar batteries" (https://www.wholesalesolar.com/9925089/upg/batteries/upg-ub-8d-agm-battery) are not easy to come by, ever... nor are they something you buy more than once every 5-10 years, why would he have a system with no batteries, does he have a charge controller or just an inverter and panels; batteries won't help if that's the case.. "net metering" systems will just have panels and an inverter that feeds electricity to the grid, if the grid is down the solar system won't do anything for the house with out a re-design.

[justntime2learn]

Wish I could figure out "who" had it "in" for PR & what exactly their plan is for rebuilding....or, taking over?! :confused:

PR has it in for themselves...

They had a truck driver strike that held up the delivery of FEMA goods

Tons of anti-fema propaganda being pushed for reasons that smell very political (Democrats flailing at trump? Sad but it seems like this is the case)




Here's an update from one of my friends who is there.

"UPDATE: NOV. 8TH 2017 — Puerto Rico still needs ‘unprecedented’ help! The September storm damage is estimated at $45 to $95 billion. So far, Congress has only approved $5 billion in aid. Now that cameras are gone, people can’t imagine what the Puerto Ricans are going through. While conditions have somewhat improved since the Sept. 20 storm — 4 out of 5 Puerto Ricans are still without electric. The Government estimates power to return by April 2018. The longest blackout in American history is far from the island's biggest problem. Homes haven't been rebuilt, thousands remain in shelters and tens of thousands of houses do not have roofs. Many are still waiting for installation of temporary tarps which will take months. People' jobs and income are gone including basic government functions ie: police, firefighters, teachers and other public employees. The island’s power grid and other infrastructure are virtually destroyed. Communications shaky (internet + phones)"

Oh gee, imagine that, they mention money in the first line...

"longest black out in american history" .... haha, I guess they forgot about when Hugo hit St Croix in 89 and power was out for around a year+... Or that St Thomas was hit by IRMA and still doesn't have power restored to the majority of the island (making THAT longer than "the longest black out in America")

Maybe it's a difference in culture?

We only have around 500 linemen from the states here, there's more in PR... in fact PR is getting the majority of the electrical supplies and our guys end up sitting on their hands at times waiting for more poles and cables.

I think many, if not nearly all of PR's current problems are self inflicted and indicative of the corruption that lead them to financial ruin before the storm.


Highly consistent with my friend's observation on the Island. I talked with him today once again (a plea for batteries for solar systems, as portable generator systems are creating noxious fumes)..

Hmm, I've been running a generator every night for months now... maybe he lives in an enclosed area or is running his gen inside? (85% of the island is on generator or has no power still here; ICE sells (collectively) by the TON, DAILY...)

Also, "solar batteries" (https://www.wholesalesolar.com/9925089/upg/batteries/upg-ub-8d-agm-battery) are not easy to come by, ever... nor are they something you buy more than once every 5-10 years, why would he have a system with no batteries, does he have a charge controller or just an inverter and panels; batteries won't help if that's the case.. "net metering" systems will just have panels and an inverter that feeds electricity to the grid, if the grid is down the solar system won't do anything for the house with out a re-design.

Or maybe it's because they don't live there ? I don't know TargeT ...

My friends live in Dallas, Texas and are going back and forth helping in both areas. I know I tried to help and almost got scammed.

It's important for me to hear your updates and keep me grounded. This whole tragedy has taken me from thinking I may have lost a friend to you being hunted by FEMA (Wouldn't want to be them ;) ... and every in between.

Learning about "Whitefish Energy" was very helpful and so are you bro.

Always thinking and sending positive energy to you and family :heart:

[Bob]

He has a walled in area, stone wall surrounding his place, which is not an open area with free wind flow. Not inside tg. Not sure the age of the motor driving the alternator, or how the exhaust is vented. He'd rather be on solar, which is why the plea for batteries that are not being horded.

I suggested wind and he said, not enough wind due to the walled in area, solar is his only alternative he felt.

Interesting on the trucking strike blocking the FEMA shipments. Justintime, can you give me a reference where you saw or heard that? I will ask my friend to check that out personally, and see if he can reach someone who can point out that it isn't FEMA blocking shipping, but a "truckers strike"... Strange I always thought, FEMA could over-ride any "strikes" with their own transport, like being an emergency management agency.. power to get shipments in despite local blockages of "the flow".

My friend emphasized if one is willing to pay the "bribes" one could get whatever.. He can't, and won't as he feels that is wrong to have to do that.




Wish I could figure out "who" had it "in" for PR & what exactly their plan is for rebuilding....or, taking over?! :confused:

PR has it in for themselves...

They had a truck driver strike that held up the delivery of FEMA goods

Tons of anti-fema propaganda being pushed for reasons that smell very political (Democrats flailing at trump? Sad but it seems like this is the case)




Here's an update from one of my friends who is there.

"UPDATE: NOV. 8TH 2017 — Puerto Rico still needs ‘unprecedented’ help! The September storm damage is estimated at $45 to $95 billion. So far, Congress has only approved $5 billion in aid. Now that cameras are gone, people can’t imagine what the Puerto Ricans are going through. While conditions have somewhat improved since the Sept. 20 storm — 4 out of 5 Puerto Ricans are still without electric. The Government estimates power to return by April 2018. The longest blackout in American history is far from the island's biggest problem. Homes haven't been rebuilt, thousands remain in shelters and tens of thousands of houses do not have roofs. Many are still waiting for installation of temporary tarps which will take months. People' jobs and income are gone including basic government functions ie: police, firefighters, teachers and other public employees. The island’s power grid and other infrastructure are virtually destroyed. Communications shaky (internet + phones)"

Oh gee, imagine that, they mention money in the first line...

"longest black out in american history" .... haha, I guess they forgot about when Hugo hit St Croix in 89 and power was out for around a year+... Or that St Thomas was hit by IRMA and still doesn't have power restored to the majority of the island (making THAT longer than "the longest black out in America")

Maybe it's a difference in culture?

We only have around 500 linemen from the states here, there's more in PR... in fact PR is getting the majority of the electrical supplies and our guys end up sitting on their hands at times waiting for more poles and cables.

I think many, if not nearly all of PR's current problems are self inflicted and indicative of the corruption that lead them to financial ruin before the storm.


Highly consistent with my friend's observation on the Island. I talked with him today once again (a plea for batteries for solar systems, as portable generator systems are creating noxious fumes)..

Hmm, I've been running a generator every night for months now... maybe he lives in an enclosed area or is running his gen inside? (85% of the island is on generator or has no power still here; ICE sells (collectively) by the TON, DAILY...)

Also, "solar batteries" (https://www.wholesalesolar.com/9925089/upg/batteries/upg-ub-8d-agm-battery) are not easy to come by, ever... nor are they something you buy more than once every 5-10 years, why would he have a system with no batteries, does he have a charge controller or just an inverter and panels; batteries won't help if that's the case.. "net metering" systems will just have panels and an inverter that feeds electricity to the grid, if the grid is down the solar system won't do anything for the house with out a re-design.

re: the solar batteries - he said they are dead, won't take a charge. He's experienced enough in electronics (taught basic repair for students in a technical school for years), and says need the replacements. I asked about deep cycle, proper conditioner. He said how we going to get such shipped in with the inability to get them - he's not on any "priority" list to get any preferential treatment.

[TargeT]

He has a walled in area, stone wall surrounding his place, which is not an open area with free wind flow. Not inside tg. Not sure the age of the motor driving the alternator, or how the exhaust is vented. He'd rather be on solar, which is why the plea for batteries that are not being horded.

Well, he could just run some piping and pump the exhaust up over the wall, easiest fix IMO (I've seen some real creative pipe work on generator exhaust, nice baffle/muffler set ups too).


I suggested wind and he said, not enough wind due to the walled in area, solar is his only alternative he felt.

He'd have to erect a min of a 30ft tower, 80ft being ideal... wind is just not a very good small scale producer, at least not compared to solar.


Interesting on the trucking strike blocking the FEMA shipments. Justintime, can you give me a reference where you saw or heard that? I will ask my friend to check that out personally, and see if he can reach someone who can point out that it isn't FEMA blocking shipping, but a "truckers strike"... Strange I always thought, FEMA could over-ride any "strikes" with their own transport, like being an emergency management agency.. power to get shipments in despite local blockages of "the flow".

My friend emphasized if one is willing to pay the "bribes" one could get whatever.. He can't, and won't as he feels that is wrong to have to do that.

It's terrible, they are claiming the roads aren't clear enough for truckers to drive, so the thousands of shipping containers cannot be delivered... (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/09/30/puerto-rico-teamsters-union-frente-amplio-refuse-to-deliver-supplies-use-hurricane-maria-as-contract-leverage/)... truckers are driving all over my island and have been since the day after the storm, we were hit by a cat5 and suffered much worse damage than PR... no issue here.


The Puerto Rico Federal Affairs Administration tells NPR that the government is working with the truck driver's union to find a solution for driving with downed power lines and damaged roads, and the Department of Defense says it has sent teams to work on clearing blocked streets.

Not everyone believes roadways are the problem. Roberto Ramirez Kurtz is the mayor of Cabo Rojo in southwestern Puerto Rico, which is about as far away from San Juan as you can get on the island — a 2 ½ to 3-hour drive.He says more than 5,000 homes were completely destroyed in his town, and people are running out of water and insulin. But aid and resources, "they're staying in San Juan," he says.

Kurtz was in San Juan to ask for help, and having made the trip himself, he doesn't believe that road conditions are an obstacle. "The roads are open," he says. "I've been able to come here. So why haven't we used this to [transport goods] west?"Meanwhile Juan Carlos Garcia, the mayor of Coamo in the south of the island, says the only aid his town has received is five pallets of water. "The state never came to provide diesel to the hospital," he says. People are running low on food supplies and hysteria is growing, he says.

He, too, says the roads are clear — and that he's in San Juan to ask why no aid has reached his town.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/28/554297787/puerto-rico-relief-goods-sit-undistributed-at-ports

What I see is a dirty mofia style "squeeze" perpetrated by a certain "sect" in the PR government... they are literally sacrificing themselves in hopes of greater gain (money, quasi state-hood, etc..), it's a bit disgusting.


re: the solar batteries - he said they are dead, won't take a charge. He's experienced enough in electronics (taught basic repair for students in a technical school for years), and says need the replacements. I asked about deep cycle, proper conditioner. He said how we going to get such shipped in with the inability to get them - he's not on any "priority" list to get any preferential treatment.

Deep cycle marine batteries would work fine, I bet there's a few thousand down at Crowley right now (the major shipping company).


PR is screwing itself over... hard.

[Bob]

Those are great suggestions TargeT - I will present to him your suggestions. He could do the piping for the exhaust, I suppose provided then his next door neighbor doesn't get all bent out of shape.

Politics. Ya, he didn't say Mafia-like, but it was clear he was worried about some sort of corruption. It appears that the teamsters group (teamster.org) is asking for volunteers to travel to PR to handle the shipping, drive the trucks..

https://teamster.org/sites/teamster.org/files/puertoricoport.jpg

seems the local is denying that there is a delivery problem..

"Teamsters Denounce False Reports of Work Stoppage by Union Drivers in Puerto Rico" - https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/teamsters-denounce-false-reports-of-work-stoppage-by-union-drivers-in-puerto-rico-300529157.html


"These viral stories spreading across the internet are nothing but lies perpetrated by anti-union entities to further their destructive agenda," said Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa. "The fact that they are attempting to capitalize on the suffering of millions of citizens in Puerto Rico that are dire need of our help by pushing these false stories, just exposes their true nature."

ouch..

CNBC and numerous others, says the containers are stuck at port. https://www.cnbc.com/video/2017/09/29/containers-filled-with-supplies-stuck-at-puerto-rico-ports.html


https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/09/28/maria_pr_valentin_96-edit_custom-f57e43a75f3e86712fcb0e7ac340c13b7a11b7fa-s1100-c85.jpg
(Crowley shipping containers with running refrigeration systems are lined up at in the port of San Juan, Puerto Rico. They've been there for days, goods locked away inside.)

[TargeT]

Those are great suggestions TargeT - I will present to him your suggestions. He could do the piping for the exhaust, I suppose provided then his next door neighbor doesn't get all bent out of shape.

What I'd worry about is fuel accessibility... I buy 5 gallons of fuel a night for my generator (only run it at night). and the lines at the gas station have lessened, but are still pretty nutty.


"Teamsters Denounce False Reports of Work Stoppage by Union Drivers in Puerto Rico" - https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300529157.html


The main reason for the shortages is that local truck drivers have been displaced and are difficult to contact, due to fallen power lines. Puerto Rico is also dealing with blocked roads and diesel fuel shortages.
http://www.businessinsider.com/puerto-rico-trucker-strike-trump-referenced-fake-news-2017-10

This is a lie told to poeple who don't know whats going on... that is believable in the first week or two after the hurricane, we are now two months out... this is a bull**** excuse at this point.

I smell more political BS in this (why mention trump at all?)

the Puerto Rican Teamsters Union, Frente Amplio, is an ULTRA corrupt 1920's version of the teamsters (and we know their history...) (http://articles.mcall.com/1997-08-15/news/3159511_1_teamsters-union-labor-unions-union-bosses)

The left truly does control most the media,, this topic is a great example.



(Crowley shipping containers with running refrigeration systems are lined up at in the port of San Juan, Puerto Rico. They've been there for days, goods locked away inside.)[/RIGHT]

I wouldn't say "locked away inside" I'd say "sitting there waiting for delivery".

Your friend is suffering from this ridiculous driver strike.. what a massive self inflicted wound.

[Bob]

Quote Posted by Bob View Post
(Crowley shipping containers with running refrigeration systems are lined up at in the port of San Juan, Puerto Rico. They've been there for days, goods locked away inside.)

TargeT says: I wouldn't say "locked away inside" I'd say "sitting there waiting for delivery".

Your friend is suffering from this ridiculous driver strike.. what a massive self inflicted wound.

That quote was a caption under the picture, I didn't originate it..

Fuel shortage, absolutely.. I didn't ask him to elaborate how he is getting fuel. I do believe he is running his invertor off the car battery at the moment, and or doing smaller activities like charging up what needs charging, like his cellphone from both the car and the alternator genset.

The deep cycle marine batteries then are what he should look for.

[Michelle Marie]

This article states that Congress knew about theses hurricanes 2 years ago. Read about FEMA 's role(s) also. Goes along with other connections.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2017/10/intel-update-cabal-arrest-republic-gcrrv-more-3560652.html

"An alert was sent out to Puerto Ricans to get out of the country because FEMA will arrest them or even kill them
If FEMA believes they are aliens or useless eaters."

We will find out more truth...

Here's something related: EMP outage drill...

AGuuHtaNNug

MM

[Bob]

Looks like Puerto Rico's power lines are hitting another snag in getting repaired. Appears that WhiteFish Energy (Holdings LLC) is stopping rebuilding due to not being paid.

The local government was supposed to pay for work, however, it hasn't - currently owed is an amount greater than $83 million.


Whitefish said in the letter that the lack of payments is a breach of the $300 million contract that the administration of Gov. Ricardo Rossello cancelled last month. Even though the contract had been cancelled, both sides agreed Whitefish would complete its current projects and remain in Puerto Rico until Nov. 30.

"There is no basis for PREPA to withhold payments from Whitefish Energy," the letter said, referring to the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority. "We have met the terms of the contract — including completing difficult work on time and under challenging conditions."

The company said Techmanski was not immediately available for comment.

Whitefish also said Monday that Florida-based utility companies working in Puerto Rico were pulling out ahead of time.

AP source

http://aemstatic-ww1.azureedge.net/content/dam/Pennenergy/online-articles/2017/11/AP_Puerto_Rico_Power_Company.JPG.scale.LARGE.JPG

[TargeT]

Looks like Puerto Rico's power lines are hitting another snag in getting repaired. Appears that WhiteFish Energy (Holdings LLC) is stopping rebuilding due to not being paid.

The local government was supposed to pay for work, however, it hasn't - currently owed is an amount greater than $83 million.


There goes PR, shooting itself in the foot again...


Mean while, 80 miles away......


"With the addition of linemen who landed in the U.S. Virgin Islands in recent days, the Virgin Islands Water and Power Authority said on Monday that it would meet its projection of restoring 90 percent of the territory by Christmas 2017. Along with the linemen, WAPA also said that it’s in constant receipt of materials and supplies needed to keep the workflow constant."

At first I thought there was no way that 90% by Xmass was going to happen, now I think it just might... we have nearly 700 "off island" linemen working 7 days a week.

FEMA (via SBA) is offering loans at 1.75% interest to home owners (up to 240,000) 3.5% for businesses and 2.25% for non profit (up to 2,000,000)......That is so far below inflation it's insane not to take the loan...



My home owners insurance came out, I only insure for structural, but he said he was "putting me in for the roof" so hopefully a roof replacement will be paid for by my insurance, the rest of the losses I'll cover with an SBA loan.

We are making some huge moves with our business, in negotiations for a 99 year lease on a 3,000 acre property that we plan on building equine educational facilities, community gardens and agricultural education facility plus "eco tourism" additions.

Busy times!



"An alert was sent out to Puerto Ricans to get out of the country because FEMA will arrest them or even kill them
If FEMA believes they are aliens or useless eaters."

We will find out more truth...


The truth is a lot of sweat, and an insane amount of debris removal... the above sounds more than a bit paranoid. :facepalm:

[Bob]

Power restoration progress happening in Puerto Rico, finally.

Article: Fluor completes major transmission lines in Puerto Rico..


IRVING, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Fluor Corporation (NYSE:FLR) confirmed today that the company, working under its contract with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) in support of a Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) mission to help repair and restore the power grid in Puerto Rico, has completed work on two 115kv transmission lines between substations in Sabana Llana and Canóvanas in Puerto Rico.

Transmission lines move large amounts of electricity over long distances.

Fluor has previously completed work on multiple distribution lines, which connect to the transmission system and are part of the last stage in getting power to homes and businesses.

The completion allows the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority (PREPA) to re-energize lines in a major urban center that will carry electricity to large neighborhoods, churches, pharmacies, a retirement home and The Outlet Mall 66 in Canóvanas.

“We have a long history in Puerto Rico and the proven ability to respond to urgent needs,” said Matt Hunt, Fluor’s executive program director, Puerto Rico Power Restoration Project. “As a result, we have significant numbers of crews and equipment in place. Working at the direction of the Corps and in coordination with PREPA, we are proud to be delivering results to the people of Puerto Rico.”

Fluor has more than 1,800 people on the island dedicated to the restoration of power.

Fluor has a unique combination of government contingency operations, commercial power experience and a 54-year presence in the Commonwealth. The company provides design, engineering, procurement, construction and commissioning services to Puerto Rican clients in a broad range of high employment industries, including power, pharmaceuticals, biotechnology, aerospace, manufacturing and food and beverage. This expertise will enable ongoing efforts to help sustain economic recovery on the island.

Images:

https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2017/09/22/104726684-GettyImages-851113562-puerto-rico.1910x1000.jpg

https://dsx.weather.com/util/image/v/POWER_1_1280x720_18389061546.jpg?v=at&w=815&h=458&api=7db9fe61-7414-47b5-9871-e17d87b8b6a0

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAtLOw0.img?h=373&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

https://img.elcomercio.pe/files/article_content_ec_fotos/files/crop/uploads/2017/09/21/59c47c3c249dd.r_1506100647616.0-315-2935-2000.jpeg

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From: December 29, 2017
A US Energy Department official said December 19 that nearly 70% of the island's power generation capacity was back online. The federal government says data on the number of residents receiving power is no longer available.

The Army Corps of Engineers has projected that power will be restored for most people by March, but those in very remote areas might have to wait until May because of the difficulty in moving supplies.

Efforts to bring back power have been hampered by the remoteness of some residents and lack of materials.

The Army Corps of Engineers has said there's a shortage of supplies because of other natural disasters in the United States.

In a Friday tweet, the Army Corps said it had received 14,050 poles and 330 miles of conductor wire for Puerto Rico to date. About 6,000 poles and 1,200 miles of wire were scheduled to arrive in the next two weeks, the tweet said.

USACE has received 14,050 poles and 330 miles of conductor wire to date in #PuertoRico. Approximately 6,000 poles and 1,200 miles of conductor wire are slated to arrive in the next 14 days.

— USACE HQ (@USACEHQ) December 29, 2017
In Yabucoa, a town of about 38,000 located on the southeast corner of the island, power has been partially restored, but Mayor Rafael Surillo said he thinks it will be six months before people who live in the mountains above the town will obtain power.

He said power company workers spent a month in the area but didn't have the materials to do the work.

[TargeT]

121 days with out utility power..........


I don't think I'll make it to 6 months, but maybe?