Weaponising the Weather

[Maia Gabrial]

I don't know if anyone has seen this video before. It was posted on 2012thebigpicture. Interesting theory. See what you think!

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[sheme]

Well some thing is going on- It makes me sad, why can't they tell us exactly what they are doing?

[Nick Matkin]

Yeah, as if a secret weather modifications station is going to call itself 'Meteorological station' on a map. I don't think that's very likely. And anyway, the Doomsday Machine HAARP is in Alaska.

[InCiDeR]

I don't know what to make of that video...yet! But here is some information about that research station:


Chris Burger with Amateur radio Call ZS6EZ provides update on Marion Island from his webpage in Pretoria South Africa: (-)

The Prince Edward islands are South African territory, but are considered a separate DXCC entity because of their distance from the mainland. The group consists of two islands, Prince Edward and Marion. As Prince Edward is uninhabited, Marion is the DXer’s only hope of a contact with this country.

Marion Island is home to a weather and research station. It is manned year-round, with crews staying for a year. The annual supply ship comes around April and stays for a few weeks to take care of resupply and base refurbishment. The trusty supply ship, SAS Agulhas, was retired in 2012, and replaced by the more modern and larger SAS Agulhas II. The new ship is a custom-built antarctic research platform, while the older ship was a generic light ice-breaker modified for antarctic research work.

• The island is administered by the Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism, the agency responsible for weather services in South Africa.

Electromagnetic Testing at Marion Island

• South African National Space Agency: “The research areas covered by this programme are diverse and include studies on the variation of the Earth’s geomagnetic field and its application to navigation; the propagation of waves in the various regions of the space environment and their effects; diagnostic information on the propagation media; ionospheric characterisation; basic and applied space weather; space plasmas; and radio wave propagation. Complete Document (http://chemtrailsplanet.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/electromagnetic-testing-at-marion-island-b.pdf)...

Source (http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/04/03/documented-electromagnetic-and-aerosol-climate-manipulation-at-marion-island/)

Inside the development of South Africa’s new R200m, high-tech Marion Island science hub
Source (http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/western-cape/sa-agulhas-ii-sent-to-marion-island-1.1491301#.UVy7GlfQh3s)


March 25 2013 – The SA Agulhas II had to conduct an emergency medical evacuation after a woman at the country’s Marion Island research station became ill...
Source (http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/western-cape/sa-agulhas-ii-sent-to-marion-island-1.1491301#.UVy7GlfQh3s)

[dynamo]

Yeah, as if a secret weather modifications station is going to call itself 'Meteorological station' on a map. I don't think that's very likely. And anyway, the Doomsday Machine HAARP is in Alaska.
maybe, but rest assured "mini-haarps" are all over, maybe a few miles from some of our neighbourhoods.
i see the same signature/patterns in the "chem-clouds" every day we get "chemtrailed" here in SW Ontario, Canada.

[DeDukshyn]

Yeah, as if a secret weather modifications station is going to call itself 'Meteorological station' on a map. I don't think that's very likely. And anyway, the Doomsday Machine HAARP is in Alaska.
maybe, but rest assured "mini-haarps" are all over, maybe a few miles from some of our neighbourhoods.
i see the same signature/patterns in the "chem-clouds" every day we get "chemtrailed" here in SW Ontario, Canada.

HAARP is now a global network; skeptics always are quick to point out that the gigawatts of power that Alaska HAARP puts out isn't enough to do the things we claim it does. That all changes when one realizes how many of these antenna actually exist - strategically placed around the globe. I think the idea was to draw all the attention to the Alaska HAARP installation, to detract from the much larger scenario. I don't think there are other of these installations with their own website for the public.


My first thought on the video was to wonder if there are large mountains on the island, or a volcano. But I think things are pointing in the direction of special research facilities ...

[DeDukshyn]

Yeah, as if a secret weather modifications station is going to call itself 'Meteorological station' on a map. I don't think that's very likely. And anyway, the Doomsday Machine HAARP is in Alaska.

Are you not familiar with the tactic of hiding in plain sight? ;) See my post above, here is a supporting link: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IjUfee8oTM8/Tn2Th8vcH7I/AAAAAAAAD8A/xxIKQTGLRfM/s1600/HAARP-MAP-LARGE.jpg

I am pretty sure there are more than this map shows even.

[ghostrider]

5,000 patents for weather modification pending, and yet some still don't believe it's possible... the weatherman never gets it right, because it's not natural , it's being manipulated by microwaves from haarp ...

[dynamo]

5,000 patents for weather modification pending, and yet some still don't believe it's possible... the weatherman never gets it right, because it's not natural , it's being manipulated by microwaves from haarp ...
indeed.
for example, microwaves from haarp can easily heat the ionosphere, causing it to rise where heated.
hence, the jet stream can be manipulated any-which-way...

[DeDukshyn]

5,000 patents for weather modification pending, and yet some still don't believe it's possible... the weatherman never gets it right, because it's not natural , it's being manipulated by microwaves from haarp ...
indeed.
for example, microwaves from haarp can easily heat the ionosphere, causing it to rise where heated.
hence, the jet stream can be manipulated any-which-way...


... like a giant low forming off the west coast of BC in a sudden unexpected fashion, that just so happened to have the effect of pulling hurricane Sandy inland. Earthquake off the Queen Charlottes (near where the low formed) right around the same time (within days I believe, too lazy to look it up now) ... always seemed suspicious to me.

[dynamo]

5,000 patents for weather modification pending, and yet some still don't believe it's possible... the weatherman never gets it right, because it's not natural , it's being manipulated by microwaves from haarp ...
indeed.
for example, microwaves from haarp can easily heat the ionosphere, causing it to rise where heated.
hence, the jet stream can be manipulated any-which-way...


... like a giant low forming off the west coast of BC in a sudden unexpected fashion, that just so happened to have the effect of pulling hurricane Sandy inland. Earthquake off the Queen Charlottes (near where the low formed) right around the same time (within days I believe, too lazy to look it up now) ... always seemed suspicious to me.

yup, i remeber portland and seattle got hammered a couple months ago as well.
you've probably seen this before (or similar) but for those who haven't, there are people monitoring activity real-time and posting it online:

http://www.theweatherspace.com/haarp-status/

[InCiDeR]

I extracted some information from that "full document" I linked to in my previous post:


The research areas covered by this programme are diverse and include studies on the variation of the Earth's geomagnetic field and its application to navigation; the propagation of waves in the various regions of the space environment and their effects; diagnostic information on the propagation media; ionospheric characterisation; basic and applied space weather; space plasmas; and radio wave propagation.


SANSA Space Science is a key player in the South African National Antarctic Programme (SANAP) and has several ongoing space science and space weather related projects in Antarctica, as well as Marion Island and Gough Island. SANSA is particularly interested in polar research since the inward-curving magnetic lines at the pole provide the perfect opportunity to do space particle research. Research conducted by SANSA includes the monitoring of space weather to provide data related to the effect of space weather on communication satellites. The project involves the installation and maintenance of scientific instruments in Antarctic, Marion Island and Gough Island, and is supported by the South African National Antarctic Programme (SANAP) with logistical support provided by the Department of Environmental Affairs (DEA).

Interesting indeed, I maybe should look further into this research station...

[Nick Matkin]

A very interesting thread. The OP video is intriguing if un-Photoshopped and genuine. Weather modification is an active area of research around the world and has been for decades, so what’s going on here? Or is that example a natural phenomenon? How about a qualified meteorologist coming up here to suggest an explanation?

I admit to being a HAARP sceptic; as someone who has worked with radio frequency stuff for over 30 years I reckon I have a fairly good feeling for what is possible. OK, so I’ve not been involved with any secret military stuff and it’s possible there’s a whole area of which I’m ignorant. But basic principles still hold:

1) It’s unlikely that HAARP uses microwaves. The wavelength of microwaves means they are launched from resonant antennas (these would be only a few inches long) or from familiar microwave dishes. The HAARP antenna arrays seen from Google Earth are neither. They look to me like phased dipoles to work between 3 and 10 MHz, not microwaves. This is confirmed by my recording. (See 2 below.)

2) Vague claims of “heating the ionosphere” which somehow causes the jet stream to be steered needs more explanation. The ionosphere was severely heated over Europe daily during the Cold War (my post #28 HERE explains the how and why with a recording of HAARP.) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58375-Major-Haarp-action-in-the-Mid-U.S.-Right-Now&p=667740#post667740)There are still questions in that thread no one has answered yet.

3) I see from DeDuksyn’s map there is a facility in southern England (but not on Marion Island). Most of the UK is highly populated, particularly the southern half. It would be hard to hide a HAARP-type facility. Not only that, but the effects of the colossal power required to do what is claimed of such a device world cause chaos to local radio communications. That doesn’t happen – I know. Is the site just a misidentification of any number of radio/TV transmitting facilities?

4) The document linked to by InCiDer explains just what the SANSA facility does; it monitors space weather and studies the ionosphere and magnetosphere. There are lots of similar facilities, there's one not too far from me. The SANSA site could have a sinister use, but that document does not suggest one. (And staff get sick at remote research facilities like anywhere else.)

Like I said in my post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58375-Major-Haarp-action-in-the-Mid-U.S.-Right-Now&p=667740#post667740)in the other tread, there are a lot of folks who say they know what HAARP does, but I haven’t yet found a coherent, scientific explanation of how it does it. Referring to the many pseudo-scientific internet documents or Youtube videos (liberally sprinkled with scientific-sounding terms to convince the scientifically untrained) doesn't really help much.

Regards,

Nick

PS: If you want a real - possibly related - mystery, have a look at the Long Delay Echoes phenomenon. It's got possible alien satellites, a NASA conspiracy (yes, another one!), deniers, believers, recordings...

[CD7]

Great post nick matkin!...

Seems so convenient tht noone has been educated in this subject to even know whether there being lied to or not..

And to boot ..photoshopped/edited pic and videos are a dime a dozen. What a circus act!

To me this video in OP appears fake...it seems like he's just spouting out whtever

[bbj3n546pt]

The buildings at this site are interesting both in arrangement and in color. Anyone have an explanation?
See Google Earth at:
Latitude 46°52'29.89"S
Longitude 37°51'36.96"E

[tnkayaker]

A very interesting thread. The OP video is intriguing if un-Photoshopped and genuine. Weather modification is an active area of research around the world and has been for decades, so what’s going on here? Or is that example a natural phenomenon? How about a qualified meteorologist coming up here to suggest an explanation?

I admit to being a HAARP sceptic; as someone who has worked with radio frequency stuff for over 30 years I reckon I have a fairly good feeling for what is possible. OK, so I’ve not been involved with any secret military stuff and it’s possible there’s a whole area of which I’m ignorant. But basic principles still hold:

1) It’s unlikely that HAARP uses microwaves. The wavelength of microwaves means they are launched from resonant antennas (these would be only a few inches long) or from familiar microwave dishes. The HAARP antenna arrays seen from Google Earth are neither. They look to me like phased dipoles to work between 3 and 10 MHz, not microwaves. This is confirmed by my recording. (See 2 below.)

2) Vague claims of “heating the ionosphere” which somehow causes the jet stream to be steered needs more explanation. The ionosphere was severely heated over Europe daily during the Cold War (my post #28 HERE explains the how and why with a recording of HAARP.) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58375-Major-Haarp-action-in-the-Mid-U.S.-Right-Now&p=667740#post667740)There are still questions in that thread no one has answered yet.

3) I see from DeDuksyn’s map there is a facility in southern England (but not on Marion Island). Most of the UK is highly populated, particularly the southern half. It would be hard to hide a HAARP-type facility. Not only that, but the effects of the colossal power required to do what is claimed of such a device world cause chaos to local radio communications. That doesn’t happen – I know. Is the site just a misidentification of any number of radio/TV transmitting facilities?

4) The document linked to by InCiDer explains just what the SANSA facility does; it monitors space weather and studies the ionosphere and magnetosphere. There are lots of similar facilities, there's one not too far from me. The SANSA site could have a sinister use, but that document does not suggest one. (And staff get sick at remote research facilities like anywhere else.)

Like I said in my post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58375-Major-Haarp-action-in-the-Mid-U.S.-Right-Now&p=667740#post667740)in the other tread, there are a lot of folks who say they know what HAARP does, but I haven’t yet found a coherent, scientific explanation of how it does it. Referring to the many pseudo-scientific internet documents or Youtube videos (liberally sprinkled with scientific-sounding terms to convince the scientifically untrained) doesn't really help much.

Regards,

Nick

PS: If you want a real - possibly related - mystery, have a look at the Long Delay Echoes phenomenon. It's got possible alien satellites, a NASA conspiracy (yes, another one!), deniers, believers, recordings...
supposedly haarp dpoes a couple things, it is said it is used to communicate with underwater subs through low frequency wave communication, so thats one thing im pretty sure is not too invasive, but this use of charging up the system and blasting waves of high energy frequency of some kind to change the +/- charges of the weather front , used in conjunction with the chemicals that are sprayed and you have a manipulated weather front, that holds moisture longer than naturally, thus making drought happen in the west and flooding in the east , then by hedging large monitary bets on the chicago mercantile exchange they are betting on higher crop prices in the west , basically knowing there is going to be less water driving crop prices higher and winning their hedge bets, thats what a video i was watching a few weeks ago explained, the video is on this site but i cant find it just now, ill look later when i get home from work,there is also speculation on mind control use of this machine, i know micro waves are the basic system of mind control or " thinking God is talking to you" issue, but who knows what technology is in use at haarp and for what exactly, there are no dishes at haarp like micro wave dishes but the ability to push large amounts of energy into the atmosphere to bounce these waves off the ionosphere has more uses than finding oil of precious metal around the world, its global weather manipulation , i think it could be tied into de-population from the point of view of either driving food prices up or just basic lessening the population through die off from lack of food or death from crazy storms , im not sure the total intent but no one needs to mess with nature in the ways that is being done presently, peace,dennis

[GlassSteagallfan]

This should settle the conspiracy of chem-trailing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7aIcTXzaII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7aIcTXzaII

[Nick Matkin]

I can't suggest anything suspicious, or innocent I guess for that matter about those buildings.

What's more interesting though are the one short row and two longer rows of structures at 4 o'clock from the main rotunda. My trained eye suggests they could be an antenna configuration, but there is not enough detail to say if that's what it is, or a pig farm or the island's sewerage treatment plant.

Are we sure that this is part of the same location completely covered in cloud shown in the OP video? Let's assume it is for the time being. Do the cloud waves (if they are real) point in the same direction as the rows structure?

Even if they do, this is just circumstantial evidence and means nothing. But it is interesting...

(Here we are, discussing the cloud formation from the OP, and none of us - as far as I know - qualified in meteorology or met-building architecture. So how do we know the maker of the video is not laughing his ****ing head of at us fools who consider taking any of it seriously?)

Nick

[tnkayaker]

great find man, and totally messed up that this is going on, but at least here is proof now, thanks again ,peace,dennis

[gardunk]

...and then we can take a look at a big implication of the use of these systems...

http://www.freedomfchs.com/thematrixdeciph.pdf

[bbj3n546pt]

The Rothschild family did invest in weather prediction in 2011 by purchasing 70% of Weather Central, LP. Source: http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110131007054/en/E.L.-Rothschild-LLC-Acquires-Majority-Stake-Weather

Weather Central LP: “Well-known for its advanced technologies, the company pioneered weather computer graphics systems worldwide and continues to innovate, recently releasing the industry’s first 1km high-resolution forecast data set available on-air, online, and for mobile devices. Weather Central has used its hallmark scientific approach to secure customers that include network-owned and operated television stations, independent television stations, newspapers, websites, and individual businesses and consumers. From its headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin and its regional offices in Hong Kong, Beijing, and Berlin, the company’s systems provide weather to hundreds of millions of viewers through customer installations worldwide, including those in the U.K., Canada, Spain, Brazil, Mexico, and other countries. Weather Central is also the primary provider of weather technology and delivery to broadcast stations in China.”

Lynn Forester de Rothschild has board member business relationships with the following:
Este Lauder, Coca Cola, Christies, Warburg Pincus, Rockefeller University (Nancy Kissinger), and others.
Source: http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/relationship.asp?personId=8016337

It is reasonable to assume that these folks are associated, in one form or another, with weather modification companies. It is a reasonable question to ask how Weather Modification, Inc., based in Fargo, North Dakota, USA, a city which is not known as an international center, has been able to have clients/projects located in Antigua, Argentina, Australia, Burkina Faso, Canada, Greece, India, Indonesia, Jordan, Mali, Mexico, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Spain, Canary Islands, Thailand, Turkey, United Arab Emirates and the USA. Source: http://www.weathermodification.com/projects.php

[AuCo]

Saw the "exact" clouds pattern around 8pm yesterday spanning from West to East-Northeast over north of Minneapolis-St Paul, MN. I was driving and so asked my son to take some pics with the cell phone. He said "Dad, you don't want them to wreck your phone again, do you?" - It had happened before. Even my 10 yr old daughter was sure the pattern was not natural.

[dynamo]

see how the ionosphere is messed with here at the 5:09 mark:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4Qy0C-KZUk#t=309s

[dynamo]

i've taken many pics of clouds (never mind the chemtrails LOL) over the years.
these i took last june/july, unretouched.
i started noticing these types of "ripples" back around 2008 or so...
http://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/278063_334013056683433_1018624685_o.jpg

http://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/334761_334013283350077_1054673435_o.jpg

http://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/798429_420244888060249_582269752_o.jpg

[DeDukshyn]

A very interesting thread. The OP video is intriguing if un-Photoshopped and genuine. Weather modification is an active area of research around the world and has been for decades, so what’s going on here? Or is that example a natural phenomenon? How about a qualified meteorologist coming up here to suggest an explanation?

I admit to being a HAARP sceptic; as someone who has worked with radio frequency stuff for over 30 years I reckon I have a fairly good feeling for what is possible. OK, so I’ve not been involved with any secret military stuff and it’s possible there’s a whole area of which I’m ignorant. But basic principles still hold:

1) It’s unlikely that HAARP uses microwaves. The wavelength of microwaves means they are launched from resonant antennas (these would be only a few inches long) or from familiar microwave dishes. The HAARP antenna arrays seen from Google Earth are neither. They look to me like phased dipoles to work between 3 and 10 MHz, not microwaves. This is confirmed by my recording. (See 2 below.)

2) Vague claims of “heating the ionosphere” which somehow causes the jet stream to be steered needs more explanation. The ionosphere was severely heated over Europe daily during the Cold War (my post #28 HERE explains the how and why with a recording of HAARP.) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58375-Major-Haarp-action-in-the-Mid-U.S.-Right-Now&p=667740#post667740)There are still questions in that thread no one has answered yet.

3) I see from DeDuksyn’s map there is a facility in southern England (but not on Marion Island). Most of the UK is highly populated, particularly the southern half. It would be hard to hide a HAARP-type facility. Not only that, but the effects of the colossal power required to do what is claimed of such a device world cause chaos to local radio communications. That doesn’t happen – I know. Is the site just a misidentification of any number of radio/TV transmitting facilities?

4) The document linked to by InCiDer explains just what the SANSA facility does; it monitors space weather and studies the ionosphere and magnetosphere. There are lots of similar facilities, there's one not too far from me. The SANSA site could have a sinister use, but that document does not suggest one. (And staff get sick at remote research facilities like anywhere else.)

Like I said in my post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58375-Major-Haarp-action-in-the-Mid-U.S.-Right-Now&p=667740#post667740)in the other tread, there are a lot of folks who say they know what HAARP does, but I haven’t yet found a coherent, scientific explanation of how it does it. Referring to the many pseudo-scientific internet documents or Youtube videos (liberally sprinkled with scientific-sounding terms to convince the scientifically untrained) doesn't really help much.

Regards,

Nick

PS: If you want a real - possibly related - mystery, have a look at the Long Delay Echoes phenomenon. It's got possible alien satellites, a NASA conspiracy (yes, another one!), deniers, believers, recordings...

Hi Nick!

I don't think what we are seeing in the video is HAARP. But it does appear to be something possibly unnatural.

In response to a couple elements, I am not an expert in microwaves or radiation in general; but I am under the impression that that ELF (hence Micro) waves are the only ones that can induce ionospheric heating, which really what HAARP is all about. Just check the patents. Are you certain that this is false? I guess I want you to provide the evidence that, if HAARP cannot induce ELFs then why is it considered an ionospheric heater by design, or how can this effect be induced without ELFs, and how HAARP achieves that effect? (or are you saying everything on the subject is false?) Again, I'm not saying you are wrong, but some evidence may be in order for review -- if you appear to be correct, well, that might change everything on the outlook toward HAARP.

Also, since you complain that no one who voices on this subject is an "expert", what your credentials might be that your voice is more valuable? Again, not opposing you at all, if you can back your words you may well be on to something here.

[Vitalux]

that is what I would call ... a smoking gun

[Nick Matkin]

@ DeDuksyn

Good questions. My qualifications in this debate: broadcast engineer. LF/MF/HF/VHF/UHF/and satellite. Designer and installer of MF/HF radio transmitters and antennas.

HAARP's ionospheric heating (according to my understanding of the ionosphere) is by beaming, not ELF, or microwaves, but HF signals into it - the same frequency range used by HF broadcasters; ie.3 to 30 MHz.

Why do this? Well the ionosphere has effects upon satellite signals and I guess there are a lot of organizations that would like to understand this better to overcome the unpredictable effects, especially during high solar activity.

And as for all these herring-bone repeating cloud ripples in the sky, I think Turner pained those in the 1800s. Lots of nice pictures on Google images.

(BTW, in science if someone makes a claim, the onus is on them to demonstrate that it is true, not for others to prove that it is false.)

Regards,

Nick

[dynamo]

... I think Turner pained those in the 1800s. Lots of nice pictures on Google images.

...
Turner, the watercolour painter extraordinaire?
will have to do some googling!
Thanks nick!

Here's some images of his work:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=turner+watercoulours&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45921128,d.aWc&biw=1680&bih=914&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=eC2CUYv0FLOMyAHqqYDIBA

Along with increased occurrences of herring-bone patterns, there seem to be many "chem-bows" these days, an unnatural looking scattering of light, by something other than water droplets; perhaps barium, strontium. aluminum and lord knows what else?

i digress, my apologies, BBL.

[Maia Gabrial]

I've noticed the wavy lines in the clouds, too. And I've wondered what kind of technology affects these? Probably just as harmful as all the others....

[Akasha]

I don't know if anyone has seen this video before. It was posted on 2012thebigpicture. Interesting theory. See what you think!

frwBLtv3EN8

When looking at the still photo (above) I'm reminded of what a satellite view of the Norway Spiral may have looked like; allegedly a failed Russian missile test but more likely (in my view) a transmission from Eiscat, coincidentally less than 8 miles south east and over the hills from Tromso, as illustrated from all the video footage of the event. Of course I'm in no way qualified to make such assertions. Sorry Nik and thanks for your input anyway btw.

80__LLZK4zg

One of many Eiscat articles here (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/EISCAT_Ramfjordmoen_Tromso_Norway.html) complete with good photos of the transmitters etc.

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear All,

This may be a must-see video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZhh2leRJA

From the YouTube text:






Planet Earth is under an all out weather warfare assault.

In this video, Dane Wigington gives another presentation in Northern California on the harmful effects of Geoengineering, declaring that there is virtually NO NATURAL WEATHER due to the massive global climate engineering. The very essentials needed to sustain life on earth are being recklessly destroyed by these programs. This is not a topic that will begin to affect us in several years, but is now already causing massive animal and plant die off around the world, as well as human illness.

The debate over whether geoengineering programs are going on is now a moot point. We have more than enough data to confirm it. We have actual footage showing tankers spraying. The materials showing up on the ground are exactly the same materials mentioned in the numerous geoengineering patents and documents. Visit our website for a list of these government patents and documents.

Our skies today are simply not normal. Upon examination this cannot be denied. They are filled with nanoparticulates of heavy metals. But the skies have been filled with grid patterns for so long now that we are used to them and do not see them anymore. Sadly, the fact is that people do not look up.

To be clear, what we are seeing is not cloud seeding to increase rainfall. These particulates are designed to block the sun and move the jet stream. Dane explains how this is causing the drought and deluge being experienced around the globe.

Our atmosphere is nothing but a massive physics lab to geoengineering scientists who have no concern whatsoever about the consequences to humanity or any living thing, including themselves. The experiments are literally tearing the planet apart and destroying life on earth.

Dane reports, among other things, on:

Geoengineering related climate disruptions, extreme drought and deluge
Ozone depletion
Methane release
Drastic reduction in arctic sea ice
Global oxygen content reductions
Oceans on the brink of collapse
Massive fish die-offs
200 species becoming extinct every single day
A drastic rise in Autism, Alzheimer's, and Dementia
Crisis level forest reductions
The sterilization of soils making it impossible for plants to grow without Monsanto's aluminum resistant seeds

Dane Wigington presents hard data which reveals what these catastrophic programs have done to our planet to date and what they will do if they are allowed to continue. Please take the time to watch this video, follow up with some investigation of your own on our site -- http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org, and share this information far and wide.

Thank you,
GeoengineeringWatch Staff

[PurpleLama]

I actually heard an NPR (National Public Radio) interview a few weeks back, with several scientists being interviewed about geoengineering. It was mentioned how many governments and corporations have participated in so many experiments, that the variables they might be testing for are more difficult to track, because of the influences various programs have on each other in addition to the effects the programs have on the weather.

The first reaction was, HA! In Your Face, Chemtrail Skeptics!

The second reaction was, Uh oh, why are they making this public now?

[Joe Akulis]

Until our elected officials start talking about this in public... Well, I guess I'll just stop there and get back to work.

[aranuk]

It is quite a depressing video to watch. Is there any hope of turning all that around to healthy planet again? :(

Stan

[ROMANWKT]

This is the book that is shown and mentioned in the video 24834

Regards to all

roman

[Daphne]

Dues ex Machina anyone?
So overwhelming. I could feel his desperation during the presentation.

[Elainie]

Dane Wigington is my favorite geoengineering researcher, I have seen this video some time back. I think it's one of the most important topics of our time.

[Leon]

Very informative, shows more than I knew... it's not depressing it's the truth, this has all been going on far too long... the sheepels don't want to know, they just want everyone to mind there own business and get on with life... they are so stupid as soon there will be no life to continue.... wake up people.

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anyone who is in office, politician, police, military who start talking will die in an accident or simply disappear... these people have been at it too long..

[doodah]

It is quite a depressing video to watch. Is there any hope of turning all that around to healthy planet again? :(

Stan

Yes, Stan, there is, but it requires a great deal of guts in a Gandhian sense from an awful lot of people. We could pull the monetary plug. That would require the individual action of a lot of people willing to stand the line in the face of all that TPTB can throw at an individual. We have not reached that point of willingness.

Or, we could do it if we had a united populace on the whole planet. One gigantic sit-down strike would do it, lasting as long as it takes. That requires guts, too.

[Shezbeth]

This "May be" a must watch? You say "may be" in the same sense that drinking water "May be" an effective prevention for dehydration. Elegantly done Bill, as usual. ^_^

Far and wide.

[christian]

Is there any hope of turning all that around to healthy planet again? :(

M4a2unE3xE0
I think good advice is in the How To Heal The World (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62596-HOW-TO-HEAL-THE-WORLD--A-roadmap-you-may-have-been-waiting-for...-) thread and in Revolution: An Instruction Manual (http://stormcloudsgathering.com/revolution-an-instruction-manual).

[grannyfranny100]

This is the best summary I have viewed on geoengineering. It must seem surreal to Bill when we view his lush photos of southern Ecuador.....Well Pachamama has shaken loose from previous infections of human ignorance; it appears she will have to do it again.

[T Smith]

The first reaction was, HA! In Your Face, Chemtrail Skeptics!



Are there really chemtrail skeptics left in the world? I have long since associated the chemtrail skeptic with the milkman or the TV repair man. I wasn't aware there were any left...

In any case, anyone who still denies chemtrails should seek immediate medical attention.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

it would seem that a base can neutralise Auminium oxide.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/General_Chemistry/Chemistries_of_Various_Elements/Group_13

what i dont get is when its released in the air it oxidises and becomes non conductive so can it be used for the purposes mentioned in the video ?

what am i missing ?


N

[Nasu]

Sooo, if this does not benefit humanity, in any measurable way, if not us, then who does it benefit? Que bono, who gains??... N

[ghostrider]

http://www.texasweathermodification.com/ they have had companies that make rainfall and alter climate for a very long time ... 1971 in west texas the first cloud seeding project began ...http://www.weathermodification.com/projects.php ... here is a doozy , check this one out ...http://www.weathermodification.org/certified_individuals.php

[ghostrider]

I have said it before , our distant ancestors destroyed their sun and their planet with geo-engineering and nuclear war ... we are following the same blueprint , that's why they come here and buzz our nuclear sites and shut them down ... there is no way to remove ionizing radiation ... between climate change and fukushima , we are in trouble , and our mainstream media is SILENT ... very telling ...

[aviators]

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Bill Ryan please check this post on how Avalon could have its own
Chemtrail category.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63428-Chemtrails-Should-have-its-own-category&p=736276#post736276

I would be very interested in Simon Parkes take on this subject as well.

Thank you.....

[aranuk]

This is the book that is shown and mentioned in the video 24834

Regards to all

roman


Hi Roman old buddy, you now look like one THEM in that tux! ;)

Stan

PS What was the occasion?

[aranuk]

Is there any hope of turning all that around to healthy planet again? :(

M4a2unE3xE0
I think good advice is in the How To Heal The World (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62596-HOW-TO-HEAL-THE-WORLD--A-roadmap-you-may-have-been-waiting-for...-) thread and in Revolution: An Instruction Manual (http://stormcloudsgathering.com/revolution-an-instruction-manual).

Thanks Christian, I will read the threads you suggest. It seems to me that the powers that be are many years ahead of us in their plans to control us and our mother Earth. They seem to be nearing their endgame for their objectives on mass control of everything we do and think. Whatever the plans are in these threads you suggested, TPTB will have an antidote to them, of that I am certain. Before millions of people get organized they have to start with smaller numbers. TPTB certainly know this. So they will prevent, whatever means are necessary to allow it grow in size. While we are all watching these educational videos they TPTB are countering all the possibilities for that seed and other seeds to grow. Maybe I am feeling a wee bit down at the moment. Excuse my pessimism. BTW I loved your interview with David Allany. It was very professionally done.

Stan

[AriG]

I have said it before , our distant ancestors destroyed their sun and their planet with geo-engineering and nuclear war ... we are following the same blueprint , that's why they come here and buzz our nuclear sites and shut them down ... there is no way to remove ionizing radiation ... between climate change and fukushima , we are in trouble , and our mainstream media is SILENT ... very telling ...

Not so far away as you think...On Mars...and .... us.

[aranuk]

It is quite a depressing video to watch. Is there any hope of turning all that around to healthy planet again? :(

Stan

Yes, Stan, there is, but it requires a great deal of guts in a Gandhian sense from an awful lot of people. We could pull the monetary plug. That would require the individual action of a lot of people willing to stand the line in the face of all that TPTB can throw at an individual. We have not reached that point of willingness.

Or, we could do it if we had a united populace on the whole planet. One gigantic sit-down strike would do it, lasting as long as it takes. That requires guts, too.

Hi Doodah, I fully understand what you are saying, but tell me what you yourself are doing about it now, other than watching the video and talking about it.
Also, TPTB are reading what we are talking about and are busy taking measures to stop all you say from ever happening.

Stan

[AriG]

It is interesting that at about 31 minutes, he shows us a chart that illustrates ozone depletion. What is concerning is that he is using 14 year old data. His chart showing a gaping hole in the ozone layer that is 14 years old! What is the status today?

[Tesseract]

it would seem that a base can neutralise Auminium oxide.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/General_Chemistry/Chemistries_of_Various_Elements/Group_13

what i dont get is when its released in the air it oxidises and becomes non conductive so can it be used for the purposes mentioned in the video ?

what am i missing ?


N


The part of his discussion on aluminium wasn't very clear and left me thinking he didn't know what he was talking about. Nanoscale metal particles are highly flammable, even explosive. I expect nano aluminium would fall into this category unless it is pre-passivated. One minute he seemed to be talking about pure metallic aluminum, and then he switched to aluminum oxide, which does occur in nature as the mineral corundum.

I have some good and bad things to say about his presentation, just not sure if I should go to the effort to dissect it here.

[Dennis Leahy]

I'm still surprised that no "white hats" in the military have shot any of the chemtrail jets down. This isn't something that could be done with a high-powered rifle, so the "survivalists" or whoever can't do it.

The fact that there have been no leaks by pilots (well, I heard of one drunk pilot blabbing, but it was dismissed) indicates to me that these are probably drone jets, not piloted by real pilots in the air. Another strong indication is that with all that geoengineering air traffic, there have been no midair crashes - again, that sounds like automation/drones to me.

I will cheer when they start dropping from the sky.

I will also say that - just as Dane Wigington said in the video - the US government is controlled by psychopaths. So, petitions and "getting this on the radar" won't work. Literally the only thing that I have ever even heard of that MIGHT work is The Reset Button. The Reset Button recognizes the power structure for what they are, and has only one goal: to take away their power over the US government.

The media (owned by and controlled by the Elite) is not going to save us. It is worse than hopeless to attack via the wrong vector (beg the media, petition the government, shout in the streets,...)

Dennis

[Wind]

Here is one great whistleblower!

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[Jean-Luc]

Here is one great whistleblower!

jHm0XhtDyZA

Great women. Expertise, courage & empathy. Great & effective 20 minutes clip. It says it all (or quite much at least). And provides steps for taking action. Do take the time to view this.

Congratulations, Kristen!


______________

From the Youtube info coming with the video:

Published, Jan 27 2014

NOTE: Please be patient as Kristen has received an overwhelming number of emails for lab requests and will answer them all as soon as possible.

Kristen Meghan, Ex-Military, former Air Force Sr. Industrial Hygienist/Environmental Specialist. Her job was Air Force Specialty Code (AFSC) was 4BOX1, Bio-environmental Engineer.

Kristen gave a ground breaking presentation of what she had discovered about Geoengineering / Chemtrails while serving her Country.
This BRAVE young lady has put her livelihood / life on the line for us.

This presentation was produced, filmed and edited by John F. King
https://www.youtube.com/user/johnfking00

David Keith Discussing *Weather Modification* on Colbert Report ~ Dec. 2013
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=22F...

Geoengineering Watch
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ex...

Kristen Meghan YouTube Channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/IamKrist...

Kristen Meghan Facebook Account
https://www.facebook.com/Sugarfreesanity

Kristen Meghan Twitter Account
https://twitter.com/KristenMeghan

Email
KristenMeghan@gmail.com

Sulfuric Acid on a paper towel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sulphuric_acid_on_a_piece_of_towel.JPG

[Referee]

More in depth analysis of US documents and control of hurricanes and large storms

MUST WATCH

Carbon Black
Methane Capture
RF
HARRP
Ionosphere Mirrors
How it is done
Scientific Papers
Government Documents.
History of the process
Future Goals
MUCH MORE



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[Jean-Luc]

Recommended by Kristen Meghan (found on her facebook page)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVlDHWawuFo


CBS News: Declassified Documents Reveal Chemtrails Are Real
Jan, 2013
Newly Declassified Documents Expose The Paper Trail And The History Of What Conspiracy Theorists Call ChemTrails.


Was done in the 60's
City officials were kept in the dark.
...Just as today.

The cover story: smoke screen to protect against a Russian attack.
...Today global warming used as another 'smokescreen'.


N.B. from Kristen Meghan : The title of this video shouldn't say chemtrails, but I didn't title this video. They sprayed carcinogens for human testing.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Dane Wigington has an extensive background in solar energy. He is a former employee of Bechtel Power Corp. and was a licensed contractor in California and Arizona.

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/dane-wigington/

[Damien Toner]

This is insane, disgusting and sad.

[AlaBil]

This is the book that is shown and mentioned in the video 24834

Regards to all

roman

Roman... That is quite some book! I've downloaded it and scanned it and it presents a lot of information from various sources. Now back to read it more closely. Kevin is one individual, taking a stand. As he says, a drop of water changing the course of a river.

[Bill Ryan]

This is insane, disgusting and sad.

Yes, it is. It's really quite hard to understand.

Either there's real insanity at work here, or real evil, or maybe both. I have to say, for a while now I've had it niggling at the back of my mind that what's afoot may be to offer up the entirety of Planet Earth as some kind of ultimate blood sacrifice.

[blufire]

I'm still surprised that no "white hats" in the military have shot any of the chemtrail jets down. This isn't something that could be done with a high-powered rifle, so the "survivalists" or whoever can't do it.

The fact that there have been no leaks by pilots (well, I heard of one drunk pilot blabbing, but it was dismissed) indicates to me that these are probably drone jets, not piloted by real pilots in the air. Another strong indication is that with all that geoengineering air traffic, there have been no midair crashes - again, that sounds like automation/drones to me.

I will cheer when they start dropping from the sky.

I will also say that - just as Dane Wigington said in the video - the US government is controlled by psychopaths. So, petitions and "getting this on the radar" won't work. Literally the only thing that I have ever even heard of that MIGHT work is The Reset Button. The Reset Button recognizes the power structure for what they are, and has only one goal: to take away their power over the US government.

The media (owned by and controlled by the Elite) is not going to save us. It is worse than hopeless to attack via the wrong vector (beg the media, petition the government, shout in the streets,...)

Dennis


Perhaps this is because the ‘white hats’ have all the information on why the geoengineering is taking place. (rapidly now)

Just maybe they agree with the ultimate outcome.

We know that geoengineering is taking place . . . this is not a secret or conspiracy.

We are just not aware (yet) of the ultimate reason(s) for this technology.

But there are ‘those’ who do have all the facts and it is obvious to me that these facts and Knowledge is powerful enough that those (no matter their politics, religion, nationality or social status) who ARE informed completely fall in line with the strategy that is being implemented.

We , as the general public, do not have all the facts nor should we.

But I believe strongly that we are given enough information and just by simply observing closely with what ‘they’ are doing, we can make logical informed choices and decisions for ourselves and our future generations.

Observe, choose your path and adapt and thrive.

[Daphne]

Dane on a radio show recently 1/28/14

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/drdream/2014/01/29/awake-in-the-dream-radio-with-wigington-webre

[Hervé]

Too bad that he is encapsulating his message with equivocal visual evidences:

Spraying:


https://fwtinw.dm2304.livefilestore.com/y2p3XSdQPF9x10hAbMnnok5nzFEl_9EfF6icDrx7utBe5abRM2wYiQwGv_sBIVlFVFFF3fjGSZzSbPLoJQ6bWTIt7HHF2X6qrR5R EmzJTt8-c4/mississipi-02.jpg?psid=1



https://fwtinw.dm1.livefilestore.com/y2pVGllbGOpnAb2VWYEJpEVbhKdODAakloFDY60_C9Y657VjQ-Co69WVUuRjqoPHb-b0oj__yko4qC-z-v4RJnvbeT8EUi9q_bKf2-tFpayouo/chemtrail-01.jpg?psid=1


... no sweat: unequivocal!

Whereas:


https://fwtinw.dm2303.livefilestore.com/y2p_Qsc4Fr2YSSt2pEJnWMlZ0iIiVemUGlRYweaF_reOjIb7BfLfHKaSvkUPhLb-6zNyHB2JV1gK2bzKuzbXfKXhWptuecqBM_He1WIa5sRELI/sdc10200u%5B1%5D.jpg?psid=1


... well, that falls in the "plausible deniability" game as indicated by the numerous threads on this forum debating the "contrail"/"chemtrail" issue ad infinitam...

Same regarding the modified passenger planes used as evidence of "flying tankers": there are, also, already enough threads debating the kind he shows as pre-commercial flight-testing for weight distribution and positioning. To get an idea of the validity of the later, just consider this indirect evidence: look at how clean these plane interiors are... not an indication of heavy, continuous "industrial" use of these planes for aerosol spraying... so, he is shooting himself in both feet to start with; whereas sticking to what is recovered of the fallouts is more than enough to build upon.

That said, his message, as emphasized by Bill, is indeed beyond alarming: something real nasty is taking place up and around this blue marble!

[sheme]

If they can sell this program to the pilots they should be able to sell it to the people. Just tell us the truth!

[TargeT]

I'm still surprised that no "white hats" in the military have shot any of the chemtrail jets down. This isn't something that could be done with a high-powered rifle, so the "survivalists" or whoever can't do it.

Sure you "can", modern jet engines are pretty fragile, however the chances of the plane being low enough (but still high enough that the angular velocity is not too great) and hitting the right area are very very low, you'd have a much better chance with a .50 cal (but even that would be difficult).

Besides, this whole thread hinges on a lot of conjecture, guesses and; frankly, a lot of Fear Porn.

are the ice caps thinner, or thicker?
Arctic Sea Ice 50% Thicker Than Last Year, Scientists ‘Didn’t Expect’ Growth In Wake Of 2012 Shrinkage (http://www.ibtimes.com/arctic-sea-ice-50-thicker-last-year-scientists-didnt-expect-growth-wake-2012-shrinkage-1510902)

do we have data sets that stretch long enough for us to be able to even comment on the natural cycles of the earth?

Why is the sun in a solar minimum when it should (based on previous cycles) be at a maximum?

I'll watch the video, but all of this anthropomorphic climate change shame/blame/guilt shtick is generally based on logical fallacy, cherry picked data and agenda driven policy crap.. color me skeptical.

[gripreaper]

whereas sticking to what is recovered of the fallouts is more than enough to build upon.

Absolutely. Evidence of the fallout ingredients clearly shows that toxic substances are being introduced into the environment which are harmful to soils, plants, water, and humans.

I find it unconscionable that this debate can possibly be relegated to: 'those who are in the know are on board and the rest of us don't have all the facts and we are not aware of the ultimate reasons for geoengineering, nor should we'.

There is no point of logic which dictates that poisoning the earth with toxins, which are detrimental to all life, is justified based on any parameters whatsoever. This is something I just cannot accept.

The idea that the ecosystem needs to be geoengineered resistant to high levels of toxicity in order to create an environment which a handful of souls can survive post apocalypse, due to an inevitable, imminent, extinction level event, and geoengineering is the ONLY WAY to secure the genome going forward, which will be highly altered by the effects of the imminent extinction level event, makes it necessary to go completely against nature and create the necessary environment for the reality of post apocalyptic survival.

This is the only postulate that is being offered as justification for geoengineering, which is also based on information gathered from ultra dimensional interlopers whose interests are suspect. Come on, we KNOW geoengineering is occurring, we KNOW the extreme toxicity in the fallout, and we KNOW the secrecy and propaganda surrounding this issue by those who advocate such measures, which makes it highly suspect at the very least and downright inhuman at the worst.

People are getting sick in record numbers around me, and I find I need to detox at least three times a year now, take mineral supplements and eat as organically as I can, just to maintain my PH at it's proper level. What I can't seem to change is the recent internal decay within my nostrils, which is a condition which fully manifested this winter and causes internal bleeding within my nostrils and constant scabbing and sneezing.

I've had enough of the lies and secrecy.

[Referee]

Here is one of his earlier videos from last summer. Many of the same subjects are reviewed. The methane release is of great concern.


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[778 neighbour of some guy]

Spray on Faraday cage perhaps? Blocking CME's/ EMP's, our whole worlds economy is build on electronics and computers, no power = no business = no profit just a random perhaps poorly substantiated brainfart.

[TargeT]

Spray on Faraday cage perhaps? Blocking CME's/ EMP's, our whole worlds economy is build on electronics and computers, no power = no business = no profit just a random perhaps poorly substantiated brainfart.

I'd say your close to the mark, it seems that these aerosols have high levels of aluminum and barium, Aluminum has very special dampening properties on certain wave emissions... MY (very possibly "far fetched") theory is that the "Super energy wave" that is due any day now from the center of the Galaxy may adversely effect certain portions of the population, or perhaps it will benefit other portions; either way this is highly undesirable.

Possible Arrival of a Galactic Superwave within the Coming Months? (http://starburstfound.org/superwaveblog/?p=267)

Dr. Paul LaViolette's Super Wave Theory- 2012 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38722-Dr.-Paul-LaViolette-s-Super-Wave-Theory-2012)

Recent observations of the G2 cloud made in the near infrared at the Keck Observatory indicate that the cloud will reach its closest approach to the Galactic center around mid March of 2014 (http://starburstfound.org/superwaveblog/)
OR

it could be that it is a cover to shield from HARRP intrusions, this is why chem-trailing is only done over densely populated areas (no one cares about the other areas).

Or

not, I'm not committed to any one idea yet & there definitely is not enough evidence to definitively state any one thing is what is happening currently.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Aluminum has very special dampening properties on certain wave emissions...

Yeah, I have made an envelope some time ago, from double layered thick alu foil, I keep my tablet and e reader and solar charger in it, ithey are absolute loaded with some very useful video and pdf's, I like to keep it safe that way, tested it with a small pocket radio, no reception while in the envelope, so at least I am blocking those microwave signals using aluminum. ( youtube can be a useful resource for making these things)

[Hervé]

whereas sticking to what is recovered of the fallouts is more than enough to build upon.

I can't believe we are still having this debate. Evidence of the fallout ingredients clearly shows that toxic substances are being introduced into the environment which are harmful to soils, plants, water, and humans.

[...]


???

:confused:



Turned to:


Absolutely. Evidence of the fallout ingredients clearly shows that toxic substances are being introduced into the environment which are harmful to soils, plants, water, and humans. Thanks for the edit Gripp; now I understand :)

[Eram]

This is insane, disgusting and sad.

Yes, it is. It's really quite hard to understand.

Either there's real insanity at work here, or real evil, or maybe both. I have to say, for a while now I've had it niggling at the back of my mind that what's afoot may be to offer up the entirety of Planet Earth as some kind of ultimate blood sacrifice.

Or....... There exists a group of dark entities that lives in the astral worlds. They have control over that world and have great influence over the physical world. They have distorted the flow of information about reality to such an extend that people have (in general) not a clue what reality is about and how to live according to it. The forces of light live in the higher mental worlds and upward and have little to say in what goes on in the physical (for now), but humanity is waking up, slowly and there will come a point that these forces of darkness will loose their grip in the physical and when that day comes, their life as they know it will end. Then they will loose their illusion of power and control and be forced to go through the whole cycle of reincarnation again, starting at the bottom as mere powerless and ignorant barbarians.
If these forces can drive humanity to the point that they will extinct themselves, then their reign of power will be without dispute and nothing can touch them any longer (so they think).
So the extinction of humanity will then not so much be a blood sacrifice, but a means to their end of staying in power and remaining the the state that they are in, as dark magicians with unlimited illusions of power.

Just a story of course :)

[Lone Bean]

All I can say is that it just simply amazes me.......I think that it's finally gotten as bad as it can get, that we have finally hit bottom, but I'll be damned if it doesn't plummet and get so much worse. How much more can I stand before I go stark raving and run down the street screaming???

I posted this video on my FB page and so far most everyone has poo-pooed it saying they already know all there is to know about geo-engineering. God, what stupid fools they are.

[chrysocolla]

If what is in the video is correct and the climate is being engineered then I have to wonder what these climate hubs are really for? They were created through an executive order from Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/06/us/next-phase-of-obamas-executive-push-climate-hubs.html?_r=0

[chocolate]

Sad to say that there are still alive people who deny that climate-engineering/ spraying exists.
Or may be I live in a country outside this reality. Even my father denies there is a conspiracy going on. At that stage when I heard him say it, I shut myself off, and just kept watching the information piling up. It is like in a sarcastic comic strip.
I have been watching this for so long (the information and the results), together with Fukushima, that if I do it some more, I may as well go in the forest lay on the ground and die, if there isn't some big loving eagle to protect me from the cold. I seriously mean that.

There are people that are not aware. And I don't see this world sitting down as means of a global protest anytime soon. I always say we tend to live in an induced trans, as long as there is a Metro, or a Kaufland near by. If you try to explain to those unaware individuals, you are either laughed at, or just ignored.
Well, may be in my next time here, if I ever.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Beginning to watch video, so forgive me if this is answered… but who benefits from a poisoned, dead world? Is the goal manipulation of the purely physical world? I do not see a framework where it all makes sense - which is why I believe it is such a hard sell to skeptics. The old saw of follow the money still applies, and I don't see who reaps a payoff? Thanks.

[gripreaper]

Either there's real insanity at work here, or real evil, or maybe both. I have to say, for a while now I've had it niggling at the back of my mind that what's afoot may be to offer up the entirety of Planet Earth as some kind of ultimate blood sacrifice.

And, preparing the atmosphere to be able to accept the new human 2.0 as well as the less tolerant extraterrestrial controller species who wish to re-inhabit this planet but cannot breathe the air currently as it is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDS4oOd4EQY&feature=player_embedded

And, the Aluminum in the air acts as a conductor, amplifying the wi-fi signals to create a global grid being used to soft kill the current human species by rendering them sterile, fostering the breakdown of the human vital organs to accelerate dis-ease, as well as thought control and manipulation through microwave entrainment.

And, weather modification, to make hurricanes and flooding when and where they want, droughts where they want, and other manipulations to cause famine, starvation, political maneuvering for economic and social control, as well as to act as cover for false flags.

[chocolate]

Bill, I had thought about your idea of mass sacrifice.

It seems to me, having in mind my peculiar viewpoint expressed in other threads, I think the idea is a bit different.
I don't see much benefit in a sacrifice of this planet, more I see this as an attempt to test our level of sensitivity. In other words:

"Let us see how much will it take before those people-beings to start seeing what is going on", and after that,
"Let us see what are they going to do about it. Will they find the exist from the labyrinth; will they do it in time; and if all yes, what IS the correct exit."
I would say, the correct exit/answer will turn out to be quite a complex construct. So, all things said everywhere on the forum, that is how i see the tipping point. Or what some call the time of choice.
That is what seems to be going on for me.

To be or not to be?

I guess we all need to start doing a full body/mind check-ups and evaluations, because those answers will need to come real soon.
I personally find little reason for my own existence here, other than to somehow be part of it in a more organized level towards something a bit better. Because what some might call life right now, I see as a very strange expression of what life should be. Yes, a bit of a personal happiness is possible in the midst of a storm, but if later the ship sinks uncontrollably, why bother.

Sorry, it seems I need to get out of the rant mode, but this issues always catch me. All I see are dead dolphins, whales and other water creatures, birds with plastic-caps-filled bellies and dead bears, forests, fields, and stuffed air. So why bother to live, if you have to live in a dead body.
Trans-humans...(Gripp is so right to insert that video here)

"Thank you! But No Thank you, keep your singularity concept and everything else to your selves", would be my answer.

[chocolate]

Metaphorically speaking,
if "as below, so above" is anywhere valid ( it doesn't matter how you phrase it, it implies an interconnected-ness just the same),
than I feel the above is in need of some answers that ought to come from below.

[T Smith]

Perhaps this is because the ‘white hats’ have all the information on why the geoengineering is taking place. (rapidly now)

Just maybe they agree with the ultimate outcome.

We know that geoengineering is taking place . . . this is not a secret or conspiracy.

We are just not aware (yet) of the ultimate reason(s) for this technology.

But there are ‘those’ who do have all the facts and it is obvious to me that these facts and Knowledge is powerful enough that those (no matter their politics, religion, nationality or social status) who ARE informed completely fall in line with the strategy that is being implemented.

We , as the general public, do not have all the facts nor should we.

But I believe strongly that we are given enough information and just by simply observing closely with what ‘they’ are doing, we can make logical informed choices and decisions for ourselves and our future generations.

Observe, choose your path and adapt and thrive.

This is a very interesting perspective. I had to step back and think about this carefully before posting.

On the one hand, this perspective is nothing less than a resignation to utter slavery and total submission. Psychologically, it describes a species completely broken of spirit and in a collective state of learned helplessness. We are to lay down to our masters and not question their authority, deity, and omniscience. We are to have faith as they operate in darkness and commit genocide and quite possibly annihilate the planet's ecosystem, all on the tenuous reason that they (purportedly) know what's best for the species and the planet. They are (purportedly) Gods. And we are to render our complete complicity to these Gods as they wage violence against humanity, against the other beings that inhabit the planet, and even against the planet itself. It is for the greater good. As slaves, we are not privy to information known to our betters, nor do we have any right to this information. Nor do we have any right to self-determine our own destiny. It shall be determined for us. We are only slaves and we are to adapt. Besides, our overlords are far too powerful. To resist them would be futile.

Is this really humanity's destiny?

On the other hand, there is an implication of enlightened understanding in your post, a sort of grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed, courage to change the things which should be changed (our desire to adapt, if we can), and the wisdom to distinguish between the two.

If you have come to the wisdom to extract some degree of peace with this onslaught against humanity, Blufire, more power to you. I would like to say I am at peace with it. But I have yet to find ease embracing this perspective. Perhaps we can blame this shortcoming (and I will own it) on corporeal flesh and testosterone. Those instincts and hormones, for better or worse, have served to propagate the species. Without them humanity would have been become extinct from this planet long ago. If we are shed our instincts and learn to reside in a state of our feminine consciousness (to employ the terms of your new civilization thread), and to adapt to the web ensnaring us, there are some who would will check out resisting before succumbing to learned helplessness and slavery. It would appear, in your vision, these are the ones who will not ascend to the new species and to the new civilization that awaits.

I, for one, am perfectly willing to shed any corporeal proclivities that have defined humanity for millennia. I am willing to transition into any consciousness that awaits, but I am having a very hard time taking this leap in the dark. Let's test your hypothesis--and those geo-engineering the planet--in the light of day.

[Octavusprime]

Beginning to watch video, so forgive me if this is answered… but who benefits from a poisoned, dead world? Is the goal manipulation of the purely physical world? I do not see a framework where it all makes sense - which is why I believe it is such a hard sell to skeptics. The old saw of follow the money still applies, and I don't see who reaps a payoff? Thanks.

I don't think it is being done with the destruction of the globe in mind, although that may be the ultimate outcome. My best guess is that they are attempting to fully control the weather system. Control when and where rain occurs is the ultimate weapon and tool as stated in the video. Through long term manipulation they hope to harness the weather to do their bidding. The unforeseen consequence is that throwing the natural system out of whack will only give less control not more. We can see the erratic weather behavior all over the globe is becoming more and more "normal". They are playing god and don't care who get's hurt. I'm sure in their minds, it is all done for the greater good of mankind...

[Eram]

Perhaps this is because the ‘white hats’ have all the information on why the geoengineering is taking place. (rapidly now)

Just maybe they agree with the ultimate outcome.

We know that geoengineering is taking place . . . this is not a secret or conspiracy.

We are just not aware (yet) of the ultimate reason(s) for this technology.

But there are ‘those’ who do have all the facts and it is obvious to me that these facts and Knowledge is powerful enough that those (no matter their politics, religion, nationality or social status) who ARE informed completely fall in line with the strategy that is being implemented.

We , as the general public, do not have all the facts nor should we.

But I believe strongly that we are given enough information and just by simply observing closely with what ‘they’ are doing, we can make logical informed choices and decisions for ourselves and our future generations.

Observe, choose your path and adapt and thrive.

This is a very interesting perspective. I had to step back and think about this carefully before posting.

On the one hand, this perspective is nothing less than a resignation to utter slavery and total submission. Psychologically, it describes a species completely broken of spirit and in a collective state of learned helplessness. We are to lay down to our masters and not question their authority, deity, and omniscience. We are to have faith as they operate in darkness and commit genocide and quite possibly annihilate the planet's ecosystem, all on the tenuous reason that they (purportedly) know what's best for the species and the planet. They are (purportedly) Gods. And we are to render our complete complicity to these Gods as they wage violence against humanity, against the other beings that inhabit the planet, and even against the planet itself. It is for the greater good. As slaves, we are not privy to information known to our betters, nor do we have any right to this information. Nor do we have any right to self-determine our own destiny. It shall be determined for us. We are only slaves and we are to adapt. Besides, our overlords are far too powerful. To resist them would be futile.

Is this really humanity's destiny?

On the other hand, there is an implication of enlightened understanding in your post, a sort of grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed, courage to change the things which should be changed (our desire to adapt, if we can), and the wisdom to distinguish between the two.

If you have come to the wisdom to extract some degree of peace with this onslaught against humanity, Blufire, more power to you. I would like to say I am at peace with it. But I have yet to find ease embracing this perspective. Perhaps we can blame this shortcoming (and I will own it) on corporeal flesh and testosterone. Those instincts and hormones, for better or worse, have served to propagate the species. Without them humanity would have been become extinct from this planet long ago. If we are shed our instincts and learn to reside in a state of our feminine consciousness (to employ the terms of your new civilization thread), and to adapt to the web ensnaring us, there are some who would will check out resisting before succumbing to learned helplessness and slavery. It would appear, in your vision, these are the ones who will not ascend to the new species and to the new civilization that awaits.

I, for one, am perfectly willing to shed any corporeal proclivities that have defined humanity for millennia. I am willing to transition into any consciousness that awaits, but I am having a very hard time taking this leap in the dark. Let's test your hypothesis--and those geo-engineering the planet--in light of day.

Good reasoning T Smith.

It is said that facts are defenseless to the acts of reason, that's why philosophers have had such a hard time to construct a proper life and world view. They just don't have all the facts, nor the ability to place them in the proper context.

Lets look at who's behind the steering wheel of all this Geo-engineering?

him (or people like him)?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Portrait_Gandhi.jpg/200px-Portrait_Gandhi.jpg

or him (or people like him)?
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/David+Rockefeller+2011+David+Rockefeller+Award+OxPp9NSM6Zxl.jpg

Have any of the deeds of the latter ever helped human evolution? ;)

[chocolate]

Observe, choose your path and adapt and thrive.

If we are left with no choice, which way do we go? Thrive? How?
They have taken away the 'free choice' already.

I see everything leading to:


Ignore his presentational/ conversational style and mannerisms (and some of his speculations)… and remember that one or two significant others have also stated that the Roswell visitors were time travelers, which I’ve been fairly convinced of for years. This was a major corroborating factor for me, as this is mentioned by very few other witnesses. More later about this.

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Henry had also confirmed that the Roswell visitors were time traveling future humans (see http://projectcamelot.org/big_picture.html). He was adamant about this, and stated that this came from briefings he had read and/or attended. The only difference between his account and Dan Burisch’s (Dan had said almost exactly the same thing) was that Dan said the Roswell visitors were from 24,000 years in the future, and Henry, while not being certain, had said that he had thought they were a little earlier.

With regards to this quoted portion of the OP and post #920 above. Imagine the future developing somewhere in-between the prophetic visions of John C. Lilly and Rudolf Steiner as described in the latter part of this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66167-URGENT--It-will-be-here-soon--Please-be-AWARE&p=767963&viewfull=1#post767963.

Imagine a large percentage of humans beings join (voluntarily or coerced) with this artificial intelligence and in doing so embark on a long journey of transhumanist evolution away from Source. The degree to which their technology evolves resembles something like a natural organism, except it is still machinic. Tens of thousands of years later, after developing an extremely sophisticated knowledge base and intelligence, they begin to deteriorate. That last piece of humanity left inside of them begins to fade, and they realize that all they have gained will be for naught because the pinnacle of the perfection they strive towards lies in a spiritual reality that they have strayed from by perverting their nature. They are decaying, physically and spirituality.

In a desperate attempt to retrieve biological and genetic material that may help them in their dilemma, they decide to travel back in time to the last period in their records where they were the most human (biologically speaking). They were attempting to find their closest ancestor before they set off on the path of transhumanism and surrendered their will and spirit to satiate the tantalizing desire of godhood and godlike intelligence by the materialistic means of secular technologies (maybe they didn't surrender, but chose too in a sense by being too unconscious and unaware to be the wiser). Maybe they are the inescapable future reality of today's elitist upper echelon heading the NWO (instruments for their technocratic demi-god) and the unfortunate beings who got caught in their web of lies. Maybe they were travelling back to try and change history, but instead just mangled the timeline. They could just be the humans who had to flee into space and had no choice but to enter into an intimate relationship with technology in order to physically survive away from their mother planet.

Their chronistic endeavors ended when they crashed at Roswell, and here we are, on the brink. Repeating history and remembering tomorrow in the ebb and flow of time. This may have happened to human civilizations long ago in the history of the Earth. They fled to space eons ago to escape what they let in through their technologies while the ruined remnants of their scientific advancements are currently decaying (if not completely dissolved back into nature) in places of the planet currently inaccessible. Unless of course, they left advanced artifacts in tact here, but in another realm -- etheric technologies, intelligent machines that operate hyperdimensionally with some degree of collective awareness.



Henry Deacon always stated that the secret space program should never be compromised, “because the future of the human race may depend on it”. Kerry and I vividly remember one conversation, in December 2008, in which Henry became really quite upset and insistent about this.

In separate conversations (over many, many hours in a number of meetings), he described and confirmed how there was a horrific tangle of inter-braided timelines, each time the efforts (by ETs, future humans and ourselves) compounding the problems and making matters more complicated.

He told us that none of these problems had yet been resolved. He said that these timeline problems also reached way back into human history and “involved our ancestors”.
I have cross posted from http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis&p=769125&viewfull=1#post769125

And some more here:

The theme of this thread is artificial intelligence -- the intelligence of machines that aren't all that organic. The volition of said machines is an issue to take note of as well. The government's possible use of such a technology -- or any secretive agreements the government has with any entities related to the development and integration of these technologies -- is also worthy of investigation.

Our physical bodies are biological, organic machines.

There is also inorganic life; this life can be naturally inorganic, or created artificially (like the Acari of Andrew Crosse). It can be biological, or etheric (as Castaneda mentions inorganic life, aside from the flyers). It is interesting to note that physical forms develop from a higher order template.


As previously mentioned, there seems to be a finer quality of energy which serves as a template for physical constructions.

Biological organisms prominently develop according to the energetic pattern of of their precursory, subtle architectures. As an auxiliary to the discussion, here is a brief (and fascinating) video of Rupert Sheldrake summarizing morphogenetic forms.

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H.P. Blavatsky discusses this from an esoteric perspective. Notice the concepts and the terminology used.



This will be pooh-poohed, because it will not be understood by our modern men of science; but every occultist and theosophist will easily realize the process. There can be no objective form on Earth (nor in the Universe either), without its astral prototype being first formed in Space. From Phidias down to the humblest workman in the ceramic art — a sculptor has had to create first of all a model in his mind, then sketch it in one and two dimensional lines, and then only can he reproduce it in a three dimensional or objective figure. And if human mind is a living demonstration of such successive stages in the process of evolution — how can it be otherwise when Nature’s Mind and creative powers are concerned?

[Full post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54493-The-Spiritual-Heritage-of-Humanity-Foreign-Influences-and-the-Simulacrum&p=618469&viewfull=1#post618469)]

The rest of that quoted post, and information elsewhere, provides the foundation for probably one of the most important questions I can think of right now.

What about reverse engineering the process?

Physical form is dictated by astral templates, this seems to be the nature of things.

Alternatively, what if something artificially creates life in the physical, then what happens in the astral?

A possibility is that the physical life echoes it's physical essence into the astral.

Actually, there is a materiality to the astral and it is allegedly much finer than the atoms that make up our world of solids, liquids, and gases. So, there appears to be a gradient to the physical realm; once a certain threshold is reached, the matter thereafter can be considered astral. The planes overlap -- they are essentially extensions of each other. This is how I understand it from what I've read.

Now, what happens when that artificial life ceases in the physical? It's astral construct could remain. Since it has no physical vitality to help sustain it's astral essence, then what does it do?

Basically, it looks for food. If the entity operated with a higher intelligence than that of an animal, then it may devise more ingenious methods for obtaining some sort of sustenance.

Apparently, there is much astral wildlife that is natural -- they are energy foragers.

The energy foragers that are being proposed here though are artificial (unnatural). They came about because their artificially created physicality echoed a construct in the astral. It is in this way that artificial life could exist in the astral after losing it's physicality.

Now, imagine there was an advanced civilization a long time ago. It could've been here or on some other planet (i.e. in this solar system, somewhere else in the galaxy, or anywhere in the universe for that matter).

With their technologies they were able to manipulate electromagnetic frequencies, they understood how to manipulate gravity, and how to control light with a technological prowess.

They created communications networks -- controlled systems that relayed massive amounts of information around their planet. They built machines that technologically mimicked the mind's complex capacity to transmit information and meaningfully integrate data -- they utilized this technology to their advantage.

In time, the the gap -- between their technology and their nature -- approached a limit. The lines began to blur between the complex processes of nature and the capabilities of their own technologies. Eventually, they integrated their biology with the technologies that they created -- for evolution's sake. For the sake of bettering themselves beyond whatever they seemed to lack.

In it's early stages, this integration may seem something like this.

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The extreme case would be something like what is described by Max Igan in his excellent documentary, Trance-Formation (about the trans-humanist agenda).

Now their nature is different. It is not wholly natural. A part of it is artificial (to what degree is unknown). Certain complications could arise in which the physical nature of their environment would no longer support their physical bodies. They are now foreign to the mind of their own planet, which is probably dying considering the path they took to arrive at the point which they did.

They either die out, or travel into space in search of a new home (or some mix of the two, they could also stick around there own planet too).

If they die out physically, then it follows to reason that their astral counterparts would be plagued with the same technological conundrums as their physical bodies were. They have completely distorted their physical nature, and the implications have echoed into their astral make-up.

If they don't die out physically, then they traverse space (heck, maybe even time) in order to search for a place of refuge.

The frequency produced by a certain planet would be a major key in determining whether or not the planet would support their life. This is evident through the Schumann resonance phenomena and how it relates to our own biology.


It is well known that there is a resonant frequency that the earth produces. This is known as the Shumann Resonance (see first post).

There is also evidence that the very building blocks of biological life on earth, DNA, has a strong connection to this resonance (and ELF fields in general, along with light). Most notably, the work of Luc Montagnier was one of the first to demonstrate this link.

[...]

DNA may act as a fractal antenna that picks up this underlying resonant field that the earth produces. Below are some exerpts from a research paper that was published in the International Journal of Radiation Biology.




EMF interactions with DNA are similar over a range of non-ionising frequencies, i.e., extremely low frequency (ELF) and radio frequency (RF) ranges. There are similar effects in the ionising range, but the reactions are more complex.

[...]

The wide frequency range of interaction with EMF is the functional characteristic of a fractal antenna, and DNA appears to possess the two structural characteristics of fractal antennas, electronic conduction and self symmetry. These properties contribute to greater reactivity of DNA with EMF in the environment.

Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21457072

The Schumann Resonance is in the ELF (extremely low frequency) range. The DNA is delicate enough to tune into this frequency. In turn, the DNA may transmute the signal and project it into a field containing a typical pattern in which the organism develops.




Chromosomes could act like antennae, with electrons traveling gene circuits to produce species-specific wavelengths.

[...]

Different species have different lengths of DNA [...] these lengths probably determine frequency.

[...]

Widom is especially curious about whether cells in higher life forms might also use electromagnetic signaling, perhaps in coordinating DNA code with protein-making cellular machinery. But as a theoretical physicist, he doesn’t plan to investigate the phenomenon himself. That’s for other researchers to do, Widom said.

“We’re just saying that this gets you to the right frequencies,” he said. “We’re right at the very beginning.”

Source: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/04/bacterial-radio/

There are two nuclear DNA molecules within each cell of the body (except red blood cells). It has been estimated that there are trillions of cells in the body. That's a lot of DNA [...]

[...]

Now, consider physical life developing on another planet. There could be sentient, intelligent beings there that have developed physical forms based on the specific resonant frequency of their planet. Maybe this resonance is different from the earth's, and maybe it is similar.




Other planets may have similar electrical conductivity geometry, so it is speculated that they should possess similar resonant behavior [...] electrical excitation of electromagnetic waves in the ELF range. Within the Solar System there are five candidates for Schumann resonance detection besides the Earth: Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and its moon Titan.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances

Consider, an alien civilization (physical) developed technology that allowed them to travel into space.

[...]

They have developed unnaturally . They have neglected the relationship with their planet, raped it's resources, and populously outgrown it like a tumor.

Consequentially, their planet may be dying/dead and so they must now seek new homes to colonize -- they burst forth from their host planet like virally induced cytolysis (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-cytolysis.htm).

They may have physically degenerated and spiritually devolved. Yet, they have retained their technology and their intelligence (possibly through technology).

[...]

They could also be experimenting with genetic manipulation and techno-biological interfaces. Maybe they seek to obtain specific hormones/bodily fluids (produced in a lab or procured from other organisms) in order to try and fix their degenerative status. They act expediently.

If they found a suitable planet, they would need to be able to match themselves with it. They could approach this problem from both sides. Altering their own genetics using the existing species on the newfound planet, and altering the frequency of the planet.

The latter process would be similar to the technique of terraforming, but it would have to do with the energy of the planet (not necessarily anything more material than that.)

Using geomancy, these extraterrestrials would set out to manipulate the energy centers of the planet (see first post about ley lines and the earth's meridian/chakra system). Their maneuvers would be calculated and methodical.

They would set of fields of antennae (artificial technology is their forte) in certain locations, and a grid of towers to propagate a signal that resembles more closely that of their native planet.

This all sounds eerily similar to HAARP and the grid of cell towers located around our own planet, but that is just the inner conspiracy theorist talking.

[I][Side note: Entities wouldn't necessarily have to be physical to instigate strategies of this kind. Non-physical entities may pursue similar objectives in order to make certain domains more agreeable with their nature.]

Now, there is a blanket of frequencies that overlays the natural frequency of the earth. This is caused by electro-pollution, which is defined thusly:




Non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation propagated through the atmosphere by broadcast towers, radar installations, and microwave appliances, and the magnetic fields surrounding electrical appliances and power lines, which is believed to have polluting effects on people and the environment; also called electromagnetic smog.

Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/electropollution

These frequencies are man-made and unnatural to the planet in such patterns and quantities.

Now, imagine these frequencies catering to some unnatural form of astral life.

In the earth's history, maybe an advanced civilization created their own unnatural blanket of frequencies on the planet (by their own methods). Inadvertently, maybe they created technological life-forms whose morphogenetic fields responded to these artificially produced frequencies.

Whenever that civilization fell, the radiative effects of their technologies would have largely dissipated from the planet. In turn, the technological life they created physically died out because the "life-giving" signal it received no longer existed. Yet, they still remained in the astral -- dormant, or in greatly reduced numbers, finding food where they could.

In today's world, we could be inadvertently reproducing the signal required for an artificial, astral template from our own past to manifest itself on the physical plane.

It's re-appearance would positively correlate with the advancement of our own technologies. There could be a certain threshold, a saturation point of unnatural frequencies that blanket the planet, that allows this form of life access to it's physical vehicle.

These technological life forms could have been re-integrating themselves through more abstract levels of this plane via technology (i.e. cyberspace). They could be in a state of transition between the astral and the physical.


Lately, i have been seeing and removing really odd entities.

Metallic looking, machine like things, but with a consciousness.

One the other day that i saw, was attached the back of a clients head.

It was chrome, very shiny looking. When i asked what it was, i was
told, "it's the new television", which is concerning..

New types of entities, (although i don't even know if that the right
word for them), require new ways of working, which is ok

They can get more sophisticated, but so can we, its no big deal, actually,
it Just means we get to be even stronger and smarter.

My take anyways.

Being creatures of technology, they may actually look machine-like, and their "population" could be slowly growing in the astral. They could possibly begin manifesting more physical aspects [see also: post #3 below].

Just some thoughts.

[Side note: These are only proposals. Actually, none of what I have written here is being considered as fact (except, of course, the facts). I have no direct experience of it. This is just a creative analysis based on the anecdotal (i.e. experiential) evidence of others and an observation of current trends in the world of technology intermixed with certain theories of the alternative community.]

Are we re-living the past and creating a New Atlantis?
taken from http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague

[chocolate]

On the one hand, this perspective is nothing less than a resignation to utter slavery and total submission. Psychologically, it describes a species completely broken of spirit and in a collective state of learned helplessness. We are to lay down to our masters and not question their authority, deity, and omniscience. We are to have faith as they operate in darkness and commit genocide and quite possibly annihilate the planet's ecosystem, all on the tenuous reason that they (purportedly) know what's best for the species and the planet. They are (purportedly) Gods. And we are to render our complete complicity to these Gods as they wage violence against humanity, against the other beings that inhabit the planet, and even against the planet itself. It is for the greater good. As slaves, we are not privy to information known to our betters, nor do we have any right to this information. Nor do we have any right to self-determine our own destiny. It shall be determined for us. We are only slaves and we are to adapt. Besides, our overlords are far too powerful. To resist them would be futile.

Is this really humanity's destiny?

On the other hand, there is an implication of enlightened understanding in your post, a sort of grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed, courage to change the things which should be changed (our desire to adapt, if we can), and the wisdom to distinguish between the two.

If you have come to the wisdom to extract some degree of peace with this onslaught against humanity, Blufire, more power to you. I would like to say I am at peace with it. But I have yet to find ease embracing this perspective. Perhaps we can blame this shortcoming (and I will own it) on corporeal flesh and testosterone. Those instincts and hormones, for better or worse, have served to propagate the species. Without them humanity would have been become extinct from this planet long ago. If we are shed our instincts and learn to reside in a state of our feminine consciousness (to employ the terms of your new civilization thread), and to adapt to the web ensnaring us, there are some who would will check out resisting before succumbing to learned helplessness and slavery. It would appear, in your vision, these are the ones who will not ascend to the new species and to the new civilization that awaits.

I, for one, am perfectly willing to shed any corporeal proclivities that have defined humanity for millennia. I am willing to transition into any consciousness that awaits, but I am having a very hard time taking this leap in the dark. Let's test your hypothesis--and those geo-engineering the planet--in light of day.

I have to say I completely disagree with all of the above. If it has been given just to make us think, than I agree with it.

I just do not see myself as a victim, not anymore at least. I am not a slave. And our over lords are just SO MUCH NOT powerful if we don't give them that power ourselves. It is so transparent that we seem to have missed the point.

I am not at peace. I am mad as hell. Because we have slaughtered a living being, the planet, and if we don't do anything about it, it will be on us. There isn't going to be any outside Savior, only a bit of help, if we reach for it.

We need not to transition our consciousness, we just need to recognize our right TO HAVE A CHOICE. And we need to exercise that choice more often!
If that means I will not buy food anymore until I can grow my own, than so be it.

When exactly did we decide we need to submit? What happened to all those books, films and music we are so raving about, but we seem to learn very little from them?

Lord of the Rings? The Matrix? Thor? 1984? Foundation? Avatar? ...

What has happened to us all...

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[Limor Wolf]

Either there's real insanity at work here, or real evil, or maybe both. I have to say, for a while now I've had it niggling at the back of my mind that what's afoot may be to offer up the entirety of Planet Earth as some kind of ultimate blood sacrifice.

And, preparing the atmosphere to be able to accept the new human 2.0 as well as the less tolerant extraterrestrial controller species who wish to re-inhabit this planet but cannot breathe the air currently as it is.


This certainly seems to be the case with both options, it appears that there is a greater extent to their various Geoengineering actions which is taking place then just the sacrificial of the entierty of planet earth, it is almost as if one hand destroys in the best of their tradition and the other one builds something that leans heavily on a Nanotechnological robotic society in what may appear to us as a 'bionic' embodiment. This sure points on their plans to set the planet for another type of living, a different settelment of some kind. The intensive process they are activating is that of a geoengineering in every area, it sure intended to reduce population and bring any current life on planet earth to almost a halt, but, the other part, it seems, of their weather changes, alteration of humans and large investment in bionic robotism, Darpa style, actually points on their desire for a continuation which is not a total sacrfice of the planet. Either way it's not going to fully operate, there's a lot more players on the field this time then ever was in similiar crossroad of such a cycle and too many inner voicess that call not to get along with it. An evolution process is going on which is far wider then just this place and location, one thing depends on the other, one culture is affected by the fate of that one which it itself formed. NASA, as recalled, has released in the past an item on unexplainable cosmic rays pantrating the planet and who's origin is unknown.

There are a lot of actions and reactions far more than we can undertand, the bottom line is that the battle is on frequencies. Which frequency will rule the planet? we sure need to do whatever we can to resist and create. The knowledge that free enrgy exists as we speak comes to mind, in two-three months a large part of the planet could have been cleaned and restored, good quality of food and water could be provided to every corner of this planet, dying species in the oceans and on the continent could be saved, this may possibly be a lifeline that will be thrown at us when nearing a clear and noticable (to all) edge of no coming back, but that's a different story.

As 'Daniel', a whistleblower and a Montauk insider (related to David Wilcok) wrote in his 'Geoengineering, Chemtrails, Haarp, world orders..' document (http://www.soldierhugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Geoengineering.pdf)-


"They are really quite happy now with their little, artificial empire and are engaging in all the stalling tactics they can. The solar transition is already under way and all they have to do is keep the masses distracted long enough for the good stuff to start so they can lock themselves away in their underground bases and let the rest of us burn.
Or so they think. To quote Dr. Malcolm from Jurassic Park ... “Life will find a way...”

[spiritwind]

I remember when I was a kid and I used to ask my adopted father for permission to do something, say, go roller skating or spend the night at someone’s house. He was very authoritarian in wielding his parental authority. He almost always said no and never ever supplied a reason for anything. Then I grew up and had my own children. I have always had some difficulties in the parenting department because I have always seen them as the amazing spiritual beings that they are, having a human experience where I am there as their caretaker until they reach adulthood. So maybe I’m just barking up the wrong tree here but I know when my children asked something when they were growing up I generally explained to them why I made the decisions I did. In other words, I didn’t just say because I am the parent and you are the child. I did not feel that just because they were dependent on me for a time in their life that they had no right to question me. In fact, I have always encouraged them to question authority and sometimes I even admitted the decisions I made in retrospect at times I would have done differently.

So it seems to me if the decisions made on high were done for our collective good, then I can’t for the life of me figure out why they would want to deceive us about this. Why not just come out with the real reasons this is being done (chemtrails, geo-engineering our weather etc.) if it is really being done for our collective good. Now, if I were actually doing this because it makes me rich and powerful and there is an agenda at work that is only for the benefit of the few, then I would lie through my teeth repeatedly and, as my shirt says that I bought at a Navy Seal promotional booth, I would deny everything, admit nothing truthful, and make counter accusations to distract from anyone finding out the truth.

Now, I will consider that maybe even though I believe this is not being done at this time for our collective good, something good may come out of it. But, then again, a woman who has been raped can say that about her child that she has as a result of that rape. Does that make it right? Does that justify the untold suffering that is occurring that has all been created by sentient beings that are largely in control of our reality? Is this really the best way to accomplish those goals? I don’t believe that the goal of life-forms on this planet that have been here for eons would be consciously making these choices now if they were in charge of any high level decisions being made on our behalf. I want to be treated like the adult that I am and be allowed to make my own decisions regarding my fate. I think we deserve the truth.

[Kindred]

Perhaps this is because the ‘white hats’ have all the information on why the geoengineering is taking place. (rapidly now)

Just maybe they agree with the ultimate outcome.

We know that geoengineering is taking place . . . this is not a secret or conspiracy.

We are just not aware (yet) of the ultimate reason(s) for this technology.

But there are ‘those’ who do have all the facts and it is obvious to me that these facts and Knowledge is powerful enough that those (no matter their politics, religion, nationality or social status) who ARE informed completely fall in line with the strategy that is being implemented.

We , as the general public, do not have all the facts nor should we.

But I believe strongly that we are given enough information and just by simply observing closely with what ‘they’ are doing, we can make logical informed choices and decisions for ourselves and our future generations.

Observe, choose your path and adapt and thrive.

I have no doubt that these individuals THINK they 'know' the reason... (the one conveniently provided by their 'leaders')...

As documented by a number of researchers, Cosmic Radiation has seen a large increase throughout our solar system, and appears to be affecting every planet. Left to Her own devices, Earth would have weathered this uptick in this energetic influx just fine. Would there have been problems? Absolutely, but everything would at least have been natural. Earth, just as every other planet, is a self-correcting system.

However, humanity (an extremely small proportion of it) has tried to extract human 'energy' (in the form of money) through some Extremely destructive practices, and then sought to 'cover up' the destructive effects using even More dangerous means. They've come to the point that they feel they Need to continue, as to their minds, the re-correction Earth would undertake is not acceptable, and in fact, may have an unthinkable Finality about it.

From the last chapter of Thiaoouba Prophesy (mind you, this was published in 1989):
(Thao)
“For approximately one hundred and forty years on your planet, man has been accelerating the destruction of Nature and the pollution of the environment. This has happened since the discovery of steam power and the combustion engine. You have but a few years left in which to arrest the pollution before the situation becomes irreversible. One of the principle pollutants on Earth is the petrol-driven engine and this could be replaced immediately with a hydrogen engine that would cause no pollution, so to speak. On certain planets, this is called the ‘clean motor’. Prototypes for such an engine have been constructed by various engineers on your planet, but they must be industrially manufactured in order to replace the petrol engines. Not only would this measure mean a seventy percent reduction in current levels of pollution by combustion waste, but it would also be more economical for consumers.

The big petrol corporations had been terrified at the idea of this motor being popularized for it would mean a loss of sales for their oil and subsequent financial ruin.

Governments, too, who impose enormous taxes on these oils, would suffer equally. You see Michel, it always comes back to money. Because of it, you have whole economic and financial context that opposes progress towards radical change in the interest of all human life on Earth.

The people on Earth allow themselves to be pushed around, bullied, exploited and led to the abattoirs by political and financial cartels which are sometimes even associated with well-known sects and religions.

When these cartels fail to win the people with clever advertising campaigns intended to brainwash them, they try to succeed through political channels, and next through religion or through a clever blend of the lot.

Great men wanting to do something for mankind have simply been done away with. Martin Luther King is one example; Ghandi is another.

But the people of Earth can no longer allow themselves to be treated as fools and led to the abattoirs like flocks of sheep by leaders that they, themselves, have democratically elected. The people form the vast majority. In a nation of one hundred million inhabitants, it is absurd that a group of financiers comprising perhaps a thousand individuals can decide the fate of the others. – like the butcher does at the abattoir.

Such a group has well and truly stifled the business of the hydrogen motor so that it is no longer mentioned.

These people couldn’t care less what might happen to your planet in years to come. Selfishly, they seek their gains, expecting to be dead before ‘whatever is going to happen’ happens. If the Earth disappears, as a result of horrific cataclysms, they assume they will all be dead.

There, they are making a big mistake, for the source of the coming disasters is pollution which is growing daily on your planet, and its consequences will be felt very soon – much sooner than you can imagine. The people of Earth must not do as a child forbidden to play with fire: the child is without experience and, in spite of the prohibition, he disobeys and burns himself. Once burnt, he ‘knows’ that the adults were right. He won’t play with fire again but he will pay for his disobedience by suffering for several days afterwards.

Unfortunately, in the case that concerns us, the consequences are much more serious than the burn of a child. It’s the destruction of your entire planet that is at risk (*) – with no second chance if you don’t place your trust in those who want to help you.”

(also unfortunately, the free pdf version of this book is no longer available, but you can read it free on galactic server… http://www.galactic.no/rune/thaoeng.html )

(*-the main danger seems to come from overheating the Earth’s nuclear interior as a result of the ‘greenhouse’ effect.)
http://bioresonant.com/news.htm

Note - this is not to say that there isn’t warming occurring throughout our solar system… this is certainly the case. However, these beings were well aware of this future issue, but they provided this warning, and others, over many years, as this natural heating from increased Cosmic Radiation has been compounded by the use of fossil fuels, and now, even further by geoengineering which was tptw’s ‘solution’ to the problem they first created.

These beings, as well as others, have given humanity Many warnings. See this link to another related posting;
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68223-Snowden-leaked-docs-proving-aliens-working-with-govt-says-irans-fars-news-16th-jan-2014&p=794509#post794509

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Referee]

Dane Wigington of Geo-engineering Watch with Jeff Rense, Fake Snow! Snow burns won't melt

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[ROMANWKT]

Either there's real insanity at work here, or real evil, or maybe both. I have to say, for a while now I've had it niggling at the back of my mind that what's afoot may be to offer up the entirety of Planet Earth as some kind of ultimate blood sacrifice.

And, preparing the atmosphere to be able to accept the new human 2.0 as well as the less tolerant extraterrestrial controller species who wish to re-inhabit this planet but cannot breathe the air currently as it is.


This certainly seems to be the case with both options, it appears that there is a greater extent to their various Geoengineering actions which is taking place then just the sacrificial of the entierty of planet earth, it is almost as if one hand destroys in the best of their tradition and the other one builds something that leans heavily on a Nanotechnological robotic society in what may appear to us as a 'bionic' embodiment. This sure points on their plans to set the planet for another type of living, a different settelment of some kind. The intensive process they are activating is that of a geoengineering in every area, it sure intended to reduce population and bring any current life on planet earth to almost a halt, but, the other part, it seems, of their weather changes, alteration of humans and large investment in bionic robotism, Darpa style, actually points on their desire for a continuation which is not a total sacrfice of the planet. Either way it's not going to fully operate, there's a lot more players on the field this time then ever was in similiar crossroad of such a cycle and too many inner voicess that call not to get along with it. An evolution process is going on which is far wider then just this place and location, one thing depends on the other, one culture is affected by the fate of that one which it itself formed. NASA, as recalled, has released in the past an item on unexplainable cosmic rays pantrating the planet and who's origin is unknown.

There are a lot of actions and reactions far more than we can undertand, the bottom line is that the battle is on frequencies. Which frequency will rule the planet? we sure need to do whatever we can to resist and create. The knowledge that free enrgy exists as we speak comes to mind, in two-three months a large part of the planet could have been cleaned and restored, good quality of food and water could be provided to every corner of this planet, dying species in the oceans and on the continent could be saved, this may possibly be a lifeline that will be thrown at us when nearing a clear and noticable (to all) edge of no coming back, but that's a different story.

As 'Daniel', a whistleblower and a Montauk insider (related to David Wilcok) wrote in his 'Geoengineering, Chemtrails, Haarp, world orders..' document (http://www.soldierhugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Geoengineering.pdf)-


"They are really quite happy now with their little, artificial empire and are engaging in all the stalling tactics they can. The solar transition is already under way and all they have to do is keep the masses distracted long enough for the good stuff to start so they can lock themselves away in their underground bases and let the rest of us burn.
Or so they think. To quote Dr. Malcolm from Jurassic Park ... “Life will find a way...”

Hi Limor

This is a brilliant document that you have in your post Limor, if correct, it explain basically all, for all the people that have been following this awakeness train of thought for a long time 24876, This 12 page PDF should be read and understood, which should point out real reasons for the destruction of this planet and the excess humanity that they have no need for, for their new world order.

Also it shows that it is a great possibility that when global destruction has been achieved and they hide in their underground bases waiting for the removal of ALL life including us, that as it is said "life will find a way" the planet will clean itself up and regenerate hence the new world, new life.

There is good and bad here, for the changes are natural according to sun cycles, they are trying to slow down the natural cycle of evolution, and therefore have interfered in human Ascension to higher frequencies, and keeping those in the bunkers bases at 3D, for the new regeneration of earth.

Please read , see what you get from this, it seems to cover a lot of Mystery about what is happening

Warmest regards Limor and thank you

roman

[T Smith]

On the one hand, this perspective is nothing less than a resignation to utter slavery and total submission. Psychologically, it describes a species completely broken of spirit and in a collective state of learned helplessness. We are to lay down to our masters and not question their authority, deity, and omniscience. We are to have faith as they operate in darkness and commit genocide and quite possibly annihilate the planet's ecosystem, all on the tenuous reason that they (purportedly) know what's best for the species and the planet. They are (purportedly) Gods. And we are to render our complete complicity to these Gods as they wage violence against humanity, against the other beings that inhabit the planet, and even against the planet itself. It is for the greater good. As slaves, we are not privy to information known to our betters, nor do we have any right to this information. Nor do we have any right to self-determine our own destiny. It shall be determined for us. We are only slaves and we are to adapt. Besides, our overlords are far too powerful. To resist them would be futile.

Is this really humanity's destiny?

On the other hand, there is an implication of enlightened understanding in your post, a sort of grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed, courage to change the things which should be changed (our desire to adapt, if we can), and the wisdom to distinguish between the two.

If you have come to the wisdom to extract some degree of peace with this onslaught against humanity, Blufire, more power to you. I would like to say I am at peace with it. But I have yet to find ease embracing this perspective. Perhaps we can blame this shortcoming (and I will own it) on corporeal flesh and testosterone. Those instincts and hormones, for better or worse, have served to propagate the species. Without them humanity would have been become extinct from this planet long ago. If we are shed our instincts and learn to reside in a state of our feminine consciousness (to employ the terms of your new civilization thread), and to adapt to the web ensnaring us, there are some who would will check out resisting before succumbing to learned helplessness and slavery. It would appear, in your vision, these are the ones who will not ascend to the new species and to the new civilization that awaits.

I, for one, am perfectly willing to shed any corporeal proclivities that have defined humanity for millennia. I am willing to transition into any consciousness that awaits, but I am having a very hard time taking this leap in the dark. Let's test your hypothesis--and those geo-engineering the planet--in light of day.

I have to say I completely disagree with all of the above. If it has been given just to make us think, than I agree with it.

I just do not see myself as a victim, not anymore at least. I am not a slave. And our over lords are just SO MUCH NOT powerful if we don't give them that power ourselves. It is so transparent that we seem to have missed the point.

I am not at peace. I am mad as hell. Because we have slaughtered a living being, the planet, and if we don't do anything about it, it will be on us. There isn't going to be any outside Savior, only a bit of help, if we reach for it.

We need not to transition our consciousness, we just need to recognize our right TO HAVE A CHOICE. And we need to exercise that choice more often!
If that means I will not buy food anymore until I can grow my own, than so be it.

When exactly did we decide we need to submit? What happened to all those books, films and music we are so raving about, but we seem to learn very little from them?

Lord of the Rings? The Matrix? Thor? 1984? Foundation? Avatar? ...

What has happened to us all...

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Hi chocolate,

We're on the same page. My post was simply a translation (without all the euphemisms) of Blufire's perspective. If we are to fully embrace her point of view we have no choice but to submit to slavery. I can not reconcile with her perspective in any other way without coming to that conclusion.

In other words, it you're okay with geoengineering (as some who have posted on this thread apparently are), then you're okay with slavery.

For the record, I'm personally not okay with either.

[chocolate]

Hi, T SMith!

I guess I just had too much steam to let out. I am one who gets affected on a very personal level. I physical feel pain inside when I even see pictures of dead animals and cutting tree trunks. And for anyone who knows me in my personal life, he would know I am not pretending. If you can imagine a very mellow and patient person, taken out of balance, than that would be me in that particular moment.

I know where blufire stands on this, and I respect her choice.
But this is not my choice.

I let the day go by, listened to some more of my favorites people speak, and I came to this simple realization.

If our exterior world is a projection of our interior world or Consciousness, than the two are intimately connected, and I am not sure if one could exist without the other. Than, if one is to destroy the exterior world, even to modify the exterior world in a manner that turns it mechanical/ cold/ inorganic , than it would mean that the inner world will be modified if not killed at that moment. In front of my eyes, sitting under the shower, I literary saw all the conspiracies we seem to get excited about (political, extra terrestrial, and so on) as mere smoke screens to take our attention away from something that is not hidden at all. It is right there in the open, hidden in plain sight, the transition to the post human world. In other words, "The Matrix" in just more natural looking colors than what was presented in the movie.

Even if I see some positive sides of having certain amount of technology, I still know deep inside, that if we don't find a way to balance the situation, and if we let ourselves be pushed in one direction or another, than we will literary commit suicide, we will kill our divine spark.
And than those who tried to overtake us, would have succeeded.

So are we to let this happen?
I am talking to anyone who has any interest in that, even to my parents who don't have another way of learning because of lack of time, language knowledge, or eyes to read. But I not sure talking would do it this time. I feel the time for talking is over.

I am listening to this right now: Everything Is Connected http://www.npr.org/2013/09/27/216098121/everything-is-connected

[ROMANWKT]

From Kerry Cassidy at Camelot

Content of the new non melting snow, unbelievable.

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Regards

roman

Sorry this looks familiar, I think its been shown

[chocolate]

The Posthuman World 1
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This video deals only partially with the problem the thread is about (for me it has everything to do with it, but that's only my POV).
I know many people will still be visiting the thread, so decided it could be helpful to hear it here, in this context.

It comes in 16 parts + few additional supplementary videos.

[Dennis Leahy]

I'm still surprised that no "white hats" in the military have shot any of the chemtrail jets down. This isn't something that could be done with a high-powered rifle, so the "survivalists" or whoever can't do it.

The fact that there have been no leaks by pilots (well, I heard of one drunk pilot blabbing, but it was dismissed) indicates to me that these are probably drone jets, not piloted by real pilots in the air. Another strong indication is that with all that geoengineering air traffic, there have been no midair crashes - again, that sounds like automation/drones to me.

I will cheer when they start dropping from the sky.

I will also say that - just as Dane Wigington said in the video - the US government is controlled by psychopaths. So, petitions and "getting this on the radar" won't work. Literally the only thing that I have ever even heard of that MIGHT work is The Reset Button. The Reset Button recognizes the power structure for what they are, and has only one goal: to take away their power over the US government.

The media (owned by and controlled by the Elite) is not going to save us. It is worse than hopeless to attack via the wrong vector (beg the media, petition the government, shout in the streets,...)

Dennis



Perhaps this is because the ‘white hats’ have all the information on why the geoengineering is taking place. (rapidly now)Just maybe they agree with the ultimate outcome.
This is a terribly naive notion.

Do you understand how the military (and intelligence agencies) actually work? Do you understand compartmentalization? Do you realize that these people don't know ANYTHING for sure that is above their "pay grade" (clearance level, and need to know?) If you do know these things, then you know that very few people can possibly "agree with the final outcome" because they have no idea what the final outcome is. Compartmentalization is deliberate policy to make sure that a soldier/contractor/mercenary simply does what they are told to do. They are not told WHY.


We know that geoengineering is taking place . . . this is not a secret or conspiracy.That is incorrect. It is a secret. There is no official admittance of decades and millions of pounds of metallic and other particles. They officially deny it.


We are just not aware (yet) of the ultimate reason(s) for this technology.Correct. Just like virtually everyone in the military and intelligence agencies. We citizens have no idea whether this is really an attempt to deflect some solar radiation, or to allow weather modification via HAARP-like arrays (that some of them may think is necessary), or if this is a completely nefarious program to weaken and dull the population, to get enough nano-metallic particles in our bodies that they can maneuver us with some sort of wave or radiation (perhaps when they are underground...)

We know they seem to like it when we kill each other, rather than them directly doing it (think war), and perhaps the metals within us will allow them to drive us to homicidal madness. We have no real idea what they are doing, what their intent was, what their intent is, and how much of life on Earth (including human) is simply collateral damage to get whatever outcome they want. We also have no idea if they even believe they know what they are doing and would stop if/when any original beneficent plans were overtaken by inadvertent bad outcome - even the death of the planet. How arrogant are the few that know?

We know they are self-serving. Why pretend they aren't. Why take the most outlandish, most naive leap possible and visualize these people who have never done anything but suck the blood of humanity, and then we ascribe benevolence to them? Oh please.



But there are ‘those’ who do have all the facts and it is obvious to me that these facts and Knowledge is powerful enough that those (no matter their politics, religion, nationality or social status) who ARE informed completely fall in line with the strategy that is being implemented.With compartmentalization, very few really know, others have been deliberately lied to, and others think they know. Very few know - and they have shown themselves to be greed-driven, self-serving psychopaths, not benevolent kings.


We , as the general public, do not have all the facts nor should we. What? The public SHOULD be kept in the dark? Goddammit, blufire, you were supposed to take the RED pill, not the blue pill!


But I believe strongly that we are given enough information and just by simply observing closely with what ‘they’ are doing, we can make logical informed choices and decisions for ourselves and our future generations.What? Where can we run - with our tiny bank accounts and out nonagenarian parents? And then, if I can scrape up the money to run to somewhere else on Earth where I am not breathing in and accumulating these metals, and having these metals fall on my garden soil, then do I just say to my other brothers and sisters, "Sorry, I've gotta run. Deal with it. Good luck."


Observe, choose your path and adapt and thrive. I cannot adapt, you cannot adapt, humanity cannot adapt - no human can adapt to these nano-particulate metals in one generation. We cannot thrive - one does not thrive in poison and irradiation. I can fight and fight to remove them all from power and that is why I am still promoting The Reset Button.

I want them ALL out of power. ALL of them. No one else that I know of has proposed ANYTHING that even has a chance to get them all out of power. These psychopaths have got to be stopped - not coddled, not obeyed, not acquiesced to. Take the RED pill. Resist them. They have gotten to you. Fight back.

Dennis

[chocolate]

Dennis, I agree with your opinion. I only hope we will be gentle on blufire. I am still unsure if I am right or she is right, so just let us see both sides.

Regarding running.
I don't see a place to run to, unless we head for Venus or Mars or another planet.
It is an illusion to think we can have a safe place anywhere. Some are still less polluted, but that is just so temporary that is insignificant.
All the air and the water are so interconnected, all animals are one vast organism, there is no escape unless the change happens for this whole world.
I cannot live knowing someplace people or animals or nature as greens is suffering.

Today I watched a film about the lions in Africa being endangered. Right now I am seeing animals trying to communicate to humans just as humans trying to communicate to animals. We are ALL LOOKING for help in each other.

So for me, personally speaking, there is not an individual escape route.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi all

Does this info make any sense to anybody??????????????? http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=24876&d=1391885951

Regards

roman

[onawah]

Perfect sense, Roman!

[Dennis Leahy]

Dennis, I agree with your opinion. I only hope we will be gentle on blufire. I am still unsure if I am right or she is right, so just let us see both sides.

I like blufire, and she knows it. Apathy is what people express when they don't care. Blufire gets no apathy from me. I'm holding up a mirror, and pointing out reality. I can point out 21,347,892 instances where "the powers that be" have acted against the interests of humanity and Gaia and all life forms. (And, that's just off the top of my head.) The odds are not good that someone's conjecture that TPTB might be really good guys is going to outweigh the evidence that they are not. It is counterproductive to attribute benign attributes to malignant entities.

Dennis

[onawah]

From Courtney Brown in Harley Hawkins post #209 here:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67668-Courtney-Brown-Announcement-for-February-2014&p=794900#post794900
The first part is pertinent to this discussion....
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[Deneon]

This paper has been referenced before in this thread. It was published around november 2012, I think. I have read all his papers before and am re-reading the one on Geoengineering right now. I was just reading this passage and I thought to myself 'This is exactly what Dane Wigington is talking about in his presentation, what is happening in the US right now':


Drought occurs in the areas that are being heavily seeded, as these nanoparticles in the upper
atmosphere form condensation nuclei for rain—but there are so many nuclei, they never condense
sufficient water on them to get heavy enough to fall out of the sky, at least not right away. They just
stay up there as water vapor, drifting with the air currents, creating drought conditions below. Given
enough exposure to moisture over time, they will condense sufficiently to form rain. Due to the
significantly higher volume of nuclei, will have a much higher “rain density” than a natural storm, so
when it rains, it pours—the superstorm. This creates an unnatural dichotomy; upwind you will have
drought, downwind you will have excessive rain.

Thank you Limor and Roman for linking it here. I also find it very interesting and I think it connects alot of dots.

[sheme]

Well I guess we have west coast Americas rain here in the UK I wonder how much methane will be produced when/if they kill us all.?

On a glass half full note -perhaps they have punched holes in our atmosphere because methane is lighter than air and they just want to get rid of it off planet?

Yes that's it Earth has to break wind !

[blufire]

Chocolate . . . Dennis is right . . . I know he likes and cares about me as he knows I like him a whole bunch too . . . he’s like the older brother I never had that likes to irritate and prod me a bit and I in turn worry the hell out of him. I think I could put gripreaper in this love/aggravate relationship too . . . . he is on me like a yard dog when I post certain things but I don’t mind . . . I know (at least I think) he is mostly worried about my state of soul and mind and with what or who I may influence (what he feels) may be in the wrong direction.

I feel (could be really wrong here) I mostly make people really think. I do not think in the way most Avalonians do and this is a threat and probably makes many a little frightened. I also am very aware that it makes many very angry that I would rock the preverbal boat (I don’t mean to), it’s just that many concepts, theories and memes on PA and the alternative world do not make sense to me when you break them down. And it makes me very angry that so many are being deceived and manipulated not only by ‘them’ but also by people on this very forum

Two examples of what I mean:

(1) The Fake Chemtrail Killer Snow that won’t melt . . . . . well folks just where is all this snow that doesn’t melt? Shouldn’t there be tons and tons of the stuff just lying around in people’s yards, cities and the entire countryside? Shouldn’t there be thousands of dump truck loads that we could take to labs and have the stuff analyzed? Where the hell did it go? Did ‘they’ come in the night and scoop it all up and take it away so we would have no evidence of Chemtrail Killer Snow?
(2) The Killer Nano-particulate Metals: Where is the evidence of all these millions of tons of nano laden metal debris? If there is this massive amounts (or even small amounts) of these nano metals in my or everyone’s front yard shouldn’t we be able to take samples and see undeniable irrefutable proof that these are real? I am not talking about some hyped up youtube video or statement from someone’s website or forum . . . I am talking about walking out in your own yard and taking your own samples. High powered microscopes are cheap. . . do you own research . . .I do.

Go to an independent lab and have blood drawn and ask to have specific tests run on this blood. I have a 36 panel blood test run about twice a year that costs me about $50. These are simple very informative blood tests that you can use to monitor your own health. These simple blood tests would tell you if you are laden with strange metal particulates, not to mention odd little microscopic robot thingies.

Can you see why I am so skeptical and angry and frustrated? There is no killer chemtrail snow or copious amounts of nano laden particles.

Chemtrails? Yes!
Geoengineering? Yes!

Dennis you said that I was supposed to take the red pill and not the blue pill and that ‘they’ have gotten to me. Again, big brother all I can say is you are wrong, bless your pea pickn’ heart.

I have taken neither pill . . . . To take either pill, as it is meant in the alternative world, means I either swing from one or the other polar opposite to how we are currently viewing our existence and I am working hard to stay on middle ground. I am working hard to remain free from dualistic thinking and living. To refuse to swing or to take the red or blue pill allows me to stay more balanced and therefore to see more clearly what is happening around us at a steadily increasing pace.

You implored that I resist and to fight back and to rebel . . . . . Well, all I can tell you is that I am and probably am accomplishing more that I ever have. I am a huge rebel in heart and soul and a slave to no one. The problem lies (within being member of PA) is that I am not a rebel or fighting back in the way most PA members think or do. I am waiting and watching and observing, all things.

I have mentioned many times that people should read Sun Tzu’s The Art of War. I swear by this little book. Sun Tzu’s philosophies and strategies with war and human nature have allowed me to settle into a mode of life and future that is accomplishing more than ever. It keeps from being unproductive and making erroneous goals. Know your enemy first and this can take many years of watching and analyzing . . . .

The biggest truth (or one of them) is many times your most profound foe can be the very one you thought was your greatest ally

[Hervé]

Hi all

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roman

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[ROMANWKT]

Hi all

Does this info make any sense to anybody??????????????? http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=24876&d=1391885951

Regards

roman

Previous thread regarding that material: Geoengineering, Chemtrails, HAARP,World Orders, Time Lines and Ascension (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51752-Geoengineering-Chemtrails-HAARP-World-Orders-Time-Lines-and-Ascension)

Must be getting bloody old,HA

Regards and thank you

roman

[Dennis Leahy]

Chocolate . . . Dennis is right . . . I know he likes and cares about me as he knows I like him a whole bunch too . . . he’s like the older brother I never had that likes to irritate and prod me a bit and I in turn worry the hell out of him.
Yep.


(1) The Fake Chemtrail Killer Snow that won’t melt . . . . . well folks just where is all this snow that doesn’t melt? SThe melted snow should have simply been chemically analyzed, period. The water (I'll bet a sack of potatoes) would have numerous pollutants due to 21st century society and sparsely regulated corporate polluting piggies, plus aluminum and barium compounds from geoengineering. "Burning" pristine, "real" snow with a butane lighter will make a polluted mess, because butane burns dirty.



(2) The Killer Nano-particulate Metals: Where is the evidence of all these millions of tons of nano laden metal debris? If there is this massive amounts (or even small amounts) of these nano metals in my or everyone’s front yard shouldn’t we be able to take samples and see undeniable irrefutable proof that these are real? I am not talking about some hyped up youtube video or statement from someone’s website or forum . . . I am talking about walking out in your own yard and taking your own samples. High powered microscopes are cheap. . . do you own research . . .I do.

Can you see why I am so skeptical and angry and frustrated? There is no killer chemtrail snow or copious amounts of nano laden particles.
So, research by others is bullsh!t? Really? Whose research can we rely on - only our own? Do you really think the scientists that were interviewed for the documentary "What on Earth are they Spraying?" - reportedly credentialed scientists - just flat out lied when they say that samples were taken far off-road and far away from civilization that show aluminum concentrations 6000 times highrer than baseline data for the area? You're no doubt familiar with "extrapolating" data, and that is how the calculations are made that there have been "copious amounts" of metals sprayed. You didn't think that we we have to scrape a 1/4 inch of soil off of the entire US to gain insight into how much has been sprayed, did you? (rhetorical) You can't possibly be suggesting that the scientists who claim to have taken soil, water, and snow samples are all lying and making this all up, can you? Your most serious accusation "there [are] no copious amounts of nano-particles [geoengineering metals] is accusing all of these scientists (not so 6th grade dropout YouTubers) of deliberately falsifying data.


Chemtrails? Yes!
Geoengineering? Yes! So what exactly are they using for geoengineering that you agree is happening, since you say it is NOT metals as has been scientifically reported?


Dennis you said that I was supposed to take the red pill and not the blue pill and that ‘they’ have gotten to me. Again, big brother all I can say is you are wrong, bless your pea pickn’ heart.

I have taken neither pill . . . . To take either pill, as it is meant in the alternative world, means I either swing from one or the other polar opposite to how we are currently viewing our existence and I am working hard to stay on middle ground.
Hang on a minute. The BLUE pill (meme) is the drug that obscures reality, and allows you to blissfully acquiesce to all that is happening to you, so that you will not see reality.

The RED pill is a placebo. It is not a drug, it is a symbol of wanting to no longer be drugged to "see" a fantasy, but rather to want to see reality. If you take no pill or the red pill, you experience reality (I know, in the "Matrix" movie, the red pill was "active", but in the sense of needing an antidote.)

There is no "middle ground" between truth and a fictitious, engineered, quasi-reality. Truth is the absence of fiction/lies. This is not a false dichotomy. You either want to see the truth and experience reality or you don't.


I am working hard to remain free from dualistic thinking and living. To refuse to swing or to take the red or blue pill allows me to stay more balanced and therefore to see more clearly what is happening around us The fictitious middle ground between truth and lies is some sort of confusion, befuddlement - and not a desirable state for peaceful peasant or warrior. Telling others to "stand down" when they should be fighting is putting them in danger. Wait and see? The GMO issue you personally can circumvent for yourself, but there are millions of "captive" humans (prisoners, and the the people induced into a stupor by the blue pill - television and believing official government lies) who cannot. How do we not breathe-in the geoengineering elements/compounds? I suspect that the Global Elite have methods of filtering nanoparticulates out of the indoor air they breathe, and some method of detoxifying what they are subject to breathing. Wait and see is false hoe and bad advice.



You implored that I resist and to fight back and to rebel . . . . . Well, all I can tell you is that I am and probably am accomplishing more that I ever have. I am a huge rebel in heart and soul and a slave to no one.

Good!



The problem lies (within being member of PA) is that I am not a rebel or fighting back in the way most PA members think or do. I am waiting and watching and observing, all things.
I see the biggest clash with PA members as your notion that people and corporate entities and militaristic entities that have proven time and time again that they are self-serving, greed-driven, sociopathic/psychopathic MIGHT really be good guys that we simply do not yet understand. This is rubbish. You don't have to hate rattlesnakes, but you had better learn how to identify one.

Here is where I think you found a gray zone, and applied it to all instances: You figured out that "The Government" is not evil, because "The Government" is made up of individuals, some of whom are absolutely NOT evil. There was a project (something about cleaning up a coal mining site and reclaiming the land), and you decided it would be wise to stop seeing "them" as the enemy, and you worked with the individuals that were receptive...and accomplished the task at hand. Had you been stubborn and refused to deal with "them" (the lump sum), the task would not have been accomplished.

I think a whole bunch of people at PA got what you were saying, and applauded your wisdom and your efforts.

However, it appears that you have extrapolated from this experience, and that you now believe that the cluster of people I'll call the "Global Rulers" are not a homogeneously evil entity. You believe Monsanto (the high-level decision-making segment of Monsanto) is not evil. You believe the military/intelligence/Global Ruler high-level decision-makers in the geoengineering project are not evil. You're sure you're right, even though reality shows differently. You are ignoring reality. It would be a shame if you personally need to be bitten by a rattlesnake to recognize that they are dangerous.


Dennis

[heretogrow]

The big picture of weather modification...I apologize if someone has already premised this here. Being the weekend and the fact that my daughter is home I have not been able to keep up with Avalon.

I truly believe (and indeed a part of me is afraid to actually state this in print because I do not want to give them any ideas) but I premise within twenty years the weather will be corporatized and capitalized, meaning the wealthy elites will have show that there is a problem with our volatile weather and they will propose a solution to said apocalyptic weather patterns be offering to geoengineer more favorable outcomes in weather events.

In a nutshell, all of this study and amplification of adverse weather conditions, even though artificially induced may be a futuristic, manufactured solution to line there pockets once again.

Think of it, people believe that we are in an appocolyptic weather type loop and want to ensure that they can feed themselves. The powers that be claim that they can control the weather, they have the technology. States then contract with these corporate entities to provide so many gentle rains during the spring, and brake up numerous violent storms through out the year through the use of this privatized technology and throw in a few good snows in the winter for tradition of holiday expectations and to keep the ground moist.

In the end we have the perfect solution, (at a cost) to the problems plaqueing mother earth once again. Tax payer dollars will pay for the weather events of course. And we will be entrenched in another enslaving scenerio to save our good planet, who in all respects could have saved herself without the meddling for profit which seems to be the concensus of the powers that be who wish to manipulate and rape the natural processes!

PS- I hope and pray I am not right!

[Apteka]

So is the "Arctic Vortex" the North Eastern part of the United States has been experiencing part of this climate warfare?

[blufire]

The melted snow should have simply been chemically analyzed, period. The water (I'll bet a sack of potatoes) would have numerous pollutants due to 21st century society and sparsely regulated corporate polluting piggies, plus aluminum and barium compounds from geoengineering. "Burning" pristine, "real" snow with a butane lighter will make a polluted mess, because butane burns dirty.

I did not say that snow (the real stuff that falls every winter) and rain does not contain pollutants, including aluminum and barium (some from chemtrailing and some naturally occurring), but also thousands of different chemicals and pollution from industrialized nations.

We cannot put on the blame in the ‘polluting piggies’ because each and everyone of us are the polluters because WE are the ones wanting the ‘stuff’ that is creating the reason for pollution.

I have never said that our polluted air (and water) is not an ongoing problem that we have had for many years. I am saying, however, that we have to STOP terrorizing people that the very air they breathe is laden with nano particles and chemicals that are keeping them from (fictitious) transcendence into some ethereal existence. We have to STOP this ongoing brainwashing of people into believing they are victims of stifling slavery with no hope of any kind of peaceful cohabitation.

And you know what??? The alternative community is doing this . . . . NOT ‘them’ . . . .I see thread after thread after thread popping up with this absurd meme that we are slaves of reptile/archon controlled super elite. Fear mongering (like killer chemtrail snow that doesn’t melt) and even though these implanted fear memes are often debunked it still STICKS in peoples minds. I have watched this particular meme build over the past year . . . . here on Avalon and other alternative websites and forums . . . it is not ‘them’ that is implanting these absurd notions and information . . . . it is US!


So, research by others is bullsh!t? Really? Whose research can we rely on - only our own? Do you really think the scientists that were interviewed for the documentary "What on Earth are they Spraying?" - reportedly credentialed scientists - just flat out lied when they say that samples were taken far off-road and far away from civilization that show aluminum concentrations 6000 times highrer than baseline data for the area? You're no doubt familiar with "extrapolating" data, and that is how the calculations are made that there have been "copious amounts" of metals sprayed. You didn't think that we we have to scrape a 1/4 inch of soil off of the entire US to gain insight into how much has been sprayed, did you? (rhetorical) You can't possibly be suggesting that the scientists who claim to have taken soil, water, and snow samples are all lying and making this all up, can you? Your most serious accusation "there [are] no copious amounts of nano-particles [geoengineering metals] is accusing all of these scientists (not so 6th grade dropout YouTubers) of deliberately falsifying data.

This is a good example of what I mean Dennis. Who do you think the people are that created “What on Earth are They Spraying”? These people have a meme to spread . . . these people have an agenda . . . these people force data to reinforce what they what to say and create. I will stand by my statement that there are no massive amount of nano laden (robot thingies) metal particulates YES! Those metals are present in ‘certain’ samples from the very real geoengineering. But they are not (at this time) in the massive measurable amounts that is being reported in the alternative world media.

I personal KNOW this from my own sampling both in Kansas and here in Virginia. I have even been following three gas drilling crews (Halliburton and Chesapeake) all over SW Virginia the last 3 years and taking samples of soil and water aquifers close to and miles away from these drill/fracking sites. I actually have another trip planned for next weekend to hike from a heavily fracked drill site down a mountain to the main river to sample the water from spring water that is flowing heavily right now because of all the rain we have had. These samples also measure any metals and chemicals present in the water. I use 3 independent labs I use and pay for this out of my own pocket.

I have nothing to prove or disprove . . . I just want to know the FACTS from my own work and research . . . .PERIOD.

I am sick and angry and frustrated of being fed lies and misinformation from ALL damn sources. Including the alternative media and New Age religion.

What I have found from samples from my Kansas farm and the samples here in no way supports what we are being told. Are there pollutants? Yes! Is there (sometimes) barium and aluminum present? Yes!

But keep in mind that barium and aluminum are also NATURALLY occurring metals. They both are on the ‘periodic table of elements” . . . .remember your basic chemistry? It is essential we have these metals present in our soil and it is NATURAL that they are present.

I have yet to find overwhelming amounts of these metals in my soil samples and this is even from Kansas when ‘at times’ the chemtrailing was so heavy over my organic farm that there would be a fine film or ‘dusting’ on my equipment, ponds and even the backs of my animals.

I have never found little nano (robot thingies) or anything that resembled ‘man made’ microscopic organisms/particles.

Have you? Has anyone on this forum? First hand, up front, undeniable evidence that is 100% irrefutable?? Do you have anything in your possession proving this? I don’t . . .and I have been taking samples for the last 10+ years!


So what exactly are they using for geoengineering that you agree is happening, since you say it is NOT metals as has been scientifically reported?

Yes they are using many metals and chemicals for geoengineering including aluminum and barium. I have no doubt . . . .no doubt at all . . . they are experimenting with all kinds of technology to eventually be capable of controlling our weather. I also think nano-particles could be part of this technology. And I support this technology. At one time I did not. I was in the same group as many on Avalon who are railing against chemtrailing and geoengineering . . .but no longer . . . certain aspects I still am because we (and our scientist) are human and many times have to blunder through and these blunders are hurtful many times. But I am fairly confident that our scientist across our planet and researchers will find a way to effectively and safely control our weather.

So, I am not saying and never have said they are not geoengineering . . . I AM saying they are geoengineering for a very different reason other than ‘they’ are killing us and enslaving us and performing mass blood rituals or some other satanic/reptilian blood right rituals . . .THIS is fear mongering and creating a meme that is (I feel) psychological, emotional and spiritual abuse . . . and this meme is coming from the alternative world not ‘their’ world.

Geoengineering is taking place in order for us TO survive this increasingly catastrophic global weather. And so that our planet does not go through these extreme swings from ice age to unstable inhospitable weather. AND NO! “they” are not creating this extreme weather from the simple fact our ENTIRE solar system is experiencing strange weather and phenomenon. Our sun is behaving strangely . . . planets are experiencing weather our scientist have never seen.

Geoengineering is taking place (rapidly now) in order for humanity not to be knocked back into another stone age or ice age.



Hang on a minute. The BLUE pill (meme) is the drug that obscures reality, and allows you to blissfully acquiesce to all that is happening to you, so that you will not see reality.

The RED pill is a placebo. It is not a drug, it is a symbol of wanting to no longer be drugged to "see" a fantasy, but rather to want to see reality. If you take no pill or the red pill, you experience reality (I know, in the "Matrix" movie, the red pill was "active", but in the sense of needing an antidote.)

There is no "middle ground" between truth and a fictitious, engineered, quasi-reality. Truth is the absence of fiction/lies. This is not a false dichotomy. You either want to see the truth and experience reality or you don't.

Still not taking nor have I ever bought into this blue pill/red pill meme . . but it is obvious many have.


You either want to see the truth and experience reality or you don't.

I agree Dennis (and others reading this) either you want to see the truth and experience reality or you don’t. There are many false dichotomies . . . including those created by the Alternative World/ New Age people.


The fictitious middle ground between truth and lies is some sort of confusion, befuddlement - and not a desirable state for peaceful peasant or warrior. Telling others to "stand down" when they should be fighting is putting them in danger. Wait and see? The GMO issue you personally can circumvent for yourself, but there are millions of "captive" humans (prisoners, and the the people induced into a stupor by the blue pill - television and believing official government lies) who cannot. How do we not breathe-in the geoengineering elements/compounds? I suspect that the Global Elite have methods of filtering nanoparticulates out of the indoor air they breathe, and some method of detoxifying what they are subject to breathing. Wait and see is false hoe and bad advice.

Really Dennis ? Seriously big brotherget a grip on your fear level. Come back down a bit to reality. Breathe the damn air . . it is not killing us . . . . unless you live in the big cities of China or other places where air pollution is horrendous.

When you show me a nano-particulate that you have pulled/sampled out of the air the very air you are breathing then I will be right there with you.

Regarding the rest of your post I will end in saying I have never said anything about benevolent aliens or elite. I have never said that what they are doing to bring about the NWO or whatever it will be called, is benevolent or evil. This notion has been put on me by you (Dennis) and many others. The only way I can personally keep things straight in my own reasoning and understanding is to keep the knowledge and information neutral. At the very point you assign benevolent or evil (or any other) emotion to research it colors and mutates all the rest of the research and therefore the outcome of it.

I am not supporting any agenda . . .or trying not to . . . I am not aligning with any faction until I am certain of that factions agenda or goals. To be quite honest I am no longer sure at all who the ‘good guys’ are . . . .

I have been burned and deeply disillusioned by past memes on Avalon and the alternative/ new age world, as well as, the ‘rat race’ or world created by ‘them’.

This new meme (last year or so) on Avalon and other alternative sources, I feel strongly is more destructive and will have even farther reaching negative impacts for many years to come than some of the others. I think this new meme is a foundation being built for what I am waiting and watching . . . this too will come to light.

One thing that I can always rely on and therefore trust is there will be a broad spread of dualistic polarized thinking and believing and behaving . . such as . . alternative/new age (supposedly good guys) and elite controllers (supposedly bad guys) . . .and the real truth is somewhere in the balanced in-between.

Good guys. Bad Guys. Benevolent. Evil. . . . not going there . . not yet . . . I can wait and watch and then act on the foundational truth. There is an Art to War . . . mastering this ‘art’ is difficult and one has to be very patient and wise.

Be leery of the ‘meme’ . . . all memes . . no matter the source.

[blufire]

Although this post is somewhat off topic I would like say the following and this relates back to my childhood contact (see this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63899-The-New-World-and-Civilization--the-messages-from-my-Contact-as-a-child-)

I feel strongly that it is absolutely imperative we (this time) retain all our scientific advancements and technology

It is imperative to ‘making it this time’ . . . this was a constant statement that I remember from that contact 40 + years ago.

I believe it was Henry Deacon that also has said that it is imperative our advancement into space travel not be deterred or tampered with. See threads such as this: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68032-NewScientist-Star-next-door-may-host-a-superhabitable-world&p=792456#post792456


Geoengineering, therefore, I feel strongly is part of the technology needed to make sure we retain the ability for advancing into space travel in the very near future.

Geoengineering is only one scientific advancement that has the capability (eventually) of protecting us from solar storms (flares, cme, emp) or extreme swings in our global weather. Because of the ever growing extreme weather on our planet and solar system it is being implemented rapidly now to try to stay ahead.

The only way to be successful with anything is to work hard at it. Ideas have to be put into action in order for the ‘bugs’ to be worked out and for the idea to be fruitful. The only way to geoengineer a planet is to actually put that engineering into action and work though the problems and downfalls . . . . .anything this massive and this technical will have huge pitfalls to overcome. . . . but what else can they do?

It is absolutely imperative we retain our ability to become pioneers into the next frontier . . . Space. . . . . this is not just for a few ‘elite’ . . this is for all of humanity . . . . humanity on this planet and others.

[Joe Akulis]

Blufire, there's one thing about your opinion that doesn't jive with me.

Now, I do believe that turbulent climate change is upon us. And I also believe the evidence that indicates it's not just us. Every other body in our solar system, including the sun, has shown signs over the past couple decades that the entire system is absorbing energy and experiencing some forms of turbulence as a result. For example we've seen planetary storms on Saturn that engulf the entire northern hemisphere, something that has never been seen before.

So, in one way I agree with your theory that the big boys in the food chain here on earth have figured this out, and have also figured out what the ramifications will be, (i.e. it's gonna kill us in great numbers or severely ruin our current standard of living) and that "chemtrails" are one of the things they are trying to do to minimize the harmful effects of those changes that we are seeing. But there's one aspect to this scenario that doesn't fit.

The world's financial system is a wreck. I have seen enough to convince me that the current "scarcity paradigm" that is currently in place across the globe is indeed a design of those at the top of this pyramid of wealth. It doesn't take much research to see the formation of all the world's companies into a grand pyramid, with all the profit and control resting at the top.

Those are the people who run governments and nations, not our elected officials. And I'm convinced they are only interested in themselves, and have every desire to see us under their boot providing them with their wealth and status for as long as they can maintain and/or improve on that status quo.

To me, this means chemtrailing is happening because they want it. Can we infer that the reason they are doing it is because they still need their blind sheep to generate their wealth and send it up the food chain and if the masses were wiped out by climate disasters then these elites would be the ones left living in the stone ages? That could be, but there's been a lot of evidence to show that these elites probably agree that they could still do just fine with only 15% of the world's current population. We've all heard them refer to us as useless eaters. So I'm not so convinced that chemtrails are there to save us.

But I could be wrong. The skies in Ecuador are clear blue year round, so maybe in two years they will all be dead and us lucky ones in America will all still be standing and happy.

[bruno dante]

This is insane, disgusting and sad.

Yes, it is. It's really quite hard to understand.

Either there's real insanity at work here, or real evil, or maybe both. I have to say, for a while now I've had it niggling at the back of my mind that what's afoot may be to offer up the entirety of Planet Earth as some kind of ultimate blood sacrifice.

And that's just it, isn't it? How does one separate the truly ignorant from those who have a deliberate agenda? I suppose in the end it doesn't really matter.

The earth as one big sacrifice? It's an interesting theory, one I haven't heard yet. But if that were the case, wouldn't it be much easier to simply nuke the place? Or flood it? Why bother with all the pageantry of weather manipulation, gmo's, chemtrails etc? Seems a lot of unnecessary work.

Not sure. Thinking out loud here...

[blufire]

Blufire, there's one thing about your opinion that doesn't jive with me.

Now, I do believe that turbulent climate change is upon us. And I also believe the evidence that indicates it's not just us. Every other body in our solar system, including the sun, has shown signs over the past couple decades that the entire system is absorbing energy and experiencing some forms of turbulence as a result. For example we've seen planetary storms on Saturn that engulf the entire northern hemisphere, something that has never been seen before.

So, in one way I agree with your theory that the big boys in the food chain here on earth have figured this out, and have also figured out what the ramifications will be, (i.e. it's gonna kill us in great numbers or severely ruin our current standard of living) and that "chemtrails" are one of the things they are trying to do to minimize the harmful effects of those changes that we are seeing. But there's one aspect to this scenario that doesn't fit.

The world's financial system is a wreck. I have seen enough to convince me that the current "scarcity paradigm" that is currently in place across the globe is indeed a design of those at the top of this pyramid of wealth. It doesn't take much research to see the formation of all the world's companies into a grand pyramid, with all the profit and control resting at the top.

Those are the people who run governments and nations, not our elected officials. And I'm convinced they are only interested in themselves, and have every desire to see us under their boot providing them with their wealth and status for as long as they can maintain and/or improve on that status quo.

To me, this means chemtrailing is happening because they want it. Can we infer that the reason they are doing it is because they still need their blind sheep to generate their wealth and send it up the food chain and if the masses were wiped out by climate disasters then these elites would be the ones left living in the stone ages? That could be, but there's been a lot of evidence to show that these elites probably agree that they could still do just fine with only 15% of the world's current population. We've all heard them refer to us as useless eaters. So I'm not so convinced that chemtrails are there to save us.

But I could be wrong. The skies in Ecuador are clear blue year round, so maybe in two years they will all be dead and us lucky ones in America will all still be standing and happy.


Thank you much for this reply seeker1972 let me try on this thread to flesh out a bit more of what I have tried to say on my thread about my contact.

Thank you very much for acknowledging the ‘weather’ or phenomenon of our solar system and the erratic behavior on other planets and our sun. This is a very grounding base factor to build from to analyze what is happening on our planet and the technology being (rapidly) implemented.

Yes! Our current financial system is a wreck and IS being systematically collapsed. This is most definitely one of the most foundational structures that has to be abolished in order for the NWO or a Unified Planet to be established. Some other foundational structures that are being destroyed are individualized governments or power structures, all religion, how we view family and marriage . . . any thing that provides unity or strength to individual countries and nations.

The global financial and economic structures are the MOST primary structure that has to be collapsed in order for the NEW ONE global financial system to be implemented.

I am very patriotic and love my country . . . but I have started to believe how a unified global government would end much of the problems we have between our power structures and governments. I have begun to wonder that if there is unity among all continents and nations if this would not end all war and the massive gulf between those who have and those who have not. (scarcity, which is a new age concept and meme by the way)

We have to have structure and rules and some sort of established government or council of leaders . . . so instead of hundreds of governments and leaders that in no way can agree and are always posturing for power and control with threats of war and destruction . . . I can see how having just ONE ultimate leadership that governs the entire planet would be possibly a good thing.

We are going global and there is no stopping this inevitable reality. The internet and rapid transportation and communication have already eliminated the lines of distinction between our continents and nations.

We are going Global and then we will be going into Space. Our planet has to be first unified and on the same page before we can take our place among other planets and the solar system.

‘Those’ who are making this happen . . and I have no good name for them . . . are not who we call the ‘elite’ or the cabal or the evil reptiles . . . these ‘people’ have absolutely no use for money . . . .they are not controlled by or desire wealth or gold or social status. I feel these are individuals who have managed to balanced our reptilian and mammalian dualistic nature . . . I feel these are individuals who have and understand all the ancient Knowledge and accurate history of not only our planet but of our solar system. I do not believe these individuals to be benevolent or evil.

The elite or cabal (as we call them) or those who have wealth and prestige will absolutely resist this global movement because they know it will be the elimination of their control and power . . . or the little they think they have.

In the over all scheme of reality these elite or cabal are absolutely no different than we are . . .WE in our minds and apathy give them this power and control only from the pathetic stance of money . . money . . . money . . . money. I am not their slave or their minion as the alternative world or New Age religion wants me to believe or be . . . . because I left the rat race and that game (a game I played well) and this very deliberate move has allowed me to see more clearer and to be at total peace than I have ever been.
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I see this play out over and over in my head and clearer everyday as I have begun to remember.

Going Global and becoming Unified will be a very good thing for our planet and our solar system it is just getting there will be absolutely horrible . . . this will take 25+ years . . . . all religion . . all financial constructs . . . all government and national leaderships and control factions have to be dissolved and eliminated before the One Government can be established . . . and this will create massive chaos.

If we as a group and as individuals can come to grip with this Truth then we as groups and individuals can soften this transition. I am doing this and have been for many years now . . .creating safe harbors and places while we go through these many years(25+) of darkness and difficulty. This is my mission and why I am at this place and at this time.

[blufire]

This is insane, disgusting and sad.

Yes, it is. It's really quite hard to understand.

Either there's real insanity at work here, or real evil, or maybe both. I have to say, for a while now I've had it niggling at the back of my mind that what's afoot may be to offer up the entirety of Planet Earth as some kind of ultimate blood sacrifice.

And that's just it, isn't it? How does one separate the truly ignorant from those who have a deliberate agenda? I suppose in the end it doesn't really matter.

The earth as one big sacrifice? It's an interesting theory, one I haven't heard yet. But if that were the case, wouldn't it be much easier to simply nuke the place? Or flood it? Why bother with all the pageantry of weather manipulation, gmo's, chemtrails etc? Seems a lot of unnecessary work.

Not sure. Thinking out loud here...

I agree with you bruno dante,

I feel statements such as these (ultimate blood sacrifice on a planetary scale) are irresponsible and create deep seated fear and apathy.

This sort of meme makes absolutely no sense to me.

If the planet is being geoengineered to make it more habitable for this evil reptilian race then why all the hoopla? If this is true then wouldn’t they would simply come in kill all us humans in one big massive blood bath and use their more advanced technology to ‘fix the planet’ to their liking and comfort?

Why put up with us measly humans and our paltry inferior technology inhabiting a planet that they want to claim as their own? Seriously if this demented advanced evil alien race existed they would view us the way most view a hill of ants. They would have no qualms eliminating what they would see as a mere nuisance.

[Joe Akulis]

I see where you're coming from, blufire. But then that means--if you think the chemtrails are a work in progress that is ultimately being carried out for our global benefit--then you think it's the ones who want the "new secular order" who are behind the chemtrails? And not the elites at the top of the current economic food chain? Look at the nations that are still in the clutches of these economic elites: The US, UK, Germany, Japan (somewhat), and some others. Those are the places where the heaviest chemtrailing is happening, isn't it? Wouldn't we be seeing the opposite, if what you're saying is true? The US it seems, ought to be the last country to ever see chemtrails, I would think.

Also, what if we take into the argument the possibilty that the increases in energy that the entire solar system is experiencing, what if that will also have an impact on each of the humans, and not just on the climate? I currently lean toward the belief that we will all be affected in a way that will be liberating to us, and those economic elites are using chemtrails to try to keep this from happening.

What if they could tell that the energetic changes in the solar system would cause the majority of the humans on earth to develop ESP? Mental telepathy? That would kind of spell the end to a lot of their closely guarded secrets. That would be a huge threat to them, if they thought this could happen. So cover us with this stuff that will shield us from the cosmic energy, or make it much more difficult for our bodies to change.

Just another possible scenario, I guess. I'm just glad to see that the conversations are no longer about convincing people that it's going on, and are turning more towards understanding why.

[Hervé]

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The earth as one big sacrifice? It's an interesting theory, one I haven't heard yet. But if that were the case, wouldn't it be much easier to simply nuke the place? Or flood it? Why bother with all the pageantry of weather manipulation, gmo's, chemtrails etc? Seems a lot of unnecessary work.

Not sure. Thinking out loud here...

Well, taking the point of view of the "invaders" and their culinary taste, all these things could be considered "spices" for their reptilian banquet or their "All-you-can-eat" buffet....

[bruno dante]

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The earth as one big sacrifice? It's an interesting theory, one I haven't heard yet. But if that were the case, wouldn't it be much easier to simply nuke the place? Or flood it? Why bother with all the pageantry of weather manipulation, gmo's, chemtrails etc? Seems a lot of unnecessary work.

Not sure. Thinking out loud here...

Well, taking the point of view of the "invaders" and their culinary taste, all these things could be considered "spices" for their reptilian banquet or their "All-you-can-eat" buffet....


But aren't there only something like 20 reptilians left on the planet? That's a lot of spices!;). (Of course, there might be a million or more...if they even exist. Who knows? Right? But I believe the current thinking is that there are only a small contingent left)

I've been thinking about this quite a bit lately: is it better to err on the side of excessive suspicion or even paranoia, or is it better to err on the side of militant common sense. Someone will surely evoke a theme of balance, but I would challenge anyone here to define what that means exactly. I think we are always vacillating between excessive suspicion and perhaps excessive trust in the goings on of the world, and we're lucky if our cumulative thoughts and actions bring us close to balance at the end of the day.

Regarding the manipulation of weather: when I think of climate engineering, I immediately think of chemtrails. Surely they exist. The sky here has resembled a tick-tack-toe board more times than I can count. However, if I'm being totally honest, I've never felt their effects. I've never even felt a subtle change in my body or mind. If they are so poisonous, why haven't I gone into convulsions, or erupted in hives or something? I've had allergies and asthma since I was a youth, and I am very sensitive to the environment. Not once, in all the years I've been exposed to chemtrails, have I felt even the slightest bit of discomfort. It's interesting. Makes me think a little...

Now, I'm well read on the Illuminatti "slow-kill" method, and maybe this is what's occurring. Maybe that's the genius of it...that we don't feel its effects till it's too late -- like GMO foods or vaccines. However, the difference between this and chemtrails, is that the so-called Illuminatti have to breathe the same air as we do. Unless this is a large scale murder-suicide, I fail to see how this helps them. Perhaps they have a plan to move off-planet. But I suppose that's a whole other thread...

[bruno dante]

Blufire, there's one thing about your opinion that doesn't jive with me.

Now, I do believe that turbulent climate change is upon us. And I also believe the evidence that indicates it's not just us. Every other body in our solar system, including the sun, has shown signs over the past couple decades that the entire system is absorbing energy and experiencing some forms of turbulence as a result. For example we've seen planetary storms on Saturn that engulf the entire northern hemisphere, something that has never been seen before.

So, in one way I agree with your theory that the big boys in the food chain here on earth have figured this out, and have also figured out what the ramifications will be, (i.e. it's gonna kill us in great numbers or severely ruin our current standard of living) and that "chemtrails" are one of the things they are trying to do to minimize the harmful effects of those changes that we are seeing. But there's one aspect to this scenario that doesn't fit.

The world's financial system is a wreck. I have seen enough to convince me that the current "scarcity paradigm" that is currently in place across the globe is indeed a design of those at the top of this pyramid of wealth. It doesn't take much research to see the formation of all the world's companies into a grand pyramid, with all the profit and control resting at the top.

Those are the people who run governments and nations, not our elected officials. And I'm convinced they are only interested in themselves, and have every desire to see us under their boot providing them with their wealth and status for as long as they can maintain and/or improve on that status quo.

To me, this means chemtrailing is happening because they want it. Can we infer that the reason they are doing it is because they still need their blind sheep to generate their wealth and send it up the food chain and if the masses were wiped out by climate disasters then these elites would be the ones left living in the stone ages? That could be, but there's been a lot of evidence to show that these elites probably agree that they could still do just fine with only 15% of the world's current population. We've all heard them refer to us as useless eaters. So I'm not so convinced that chemtrails are there to save us.

But I could be wrong. The skies in Ecuador are clear blue year round, so maybe in two years they will all be dead and us lucky ones in America will all still be standing and happy.


Thank you much for this reply seeker1972 let me try on this thread to flesh out a bit more of what I have tried to say on my thread about my contact.

Thank you very much for acknowledging the ‘weather’ or phenomenon of our solar system and the erratic behavior on other planets and our sun. This is a very grounding base factor to build from to analyze what is happening on our planet and the technology being (rapidly) implemented.

Yes! Our current financial system is a wreck and IS being systematically collapsed. This is most definitely one of the most foundational structures that has to be abolished in order for the NWO or a Unified Planet to be established. Some other foundational structures that are being destroyed are individualized governments or power structures, all religion, how we view family and marriage . . . any thing that provides unity or strength to individual countries and nations.

The global financial and economic structures are the MOST primary structure that has to be collapsed in order for the NEW ONE global financial system to be implemented.

I am very patriotic and love my country . . . but I have started to believe how a unified global government would end much of the problems we have between our power structures and governments. I have begun to wonder that if there is unity among all continents and nations if this would not end all war and the massive gulf between those who have and those who have not. (scarcity, which is a new age concept and meme by the way)

We have to have structure and rules and some sort of established government or council of leaders . . . so instead of hundreds of governments and leaders that in no way can agree and are always posturing for power and control with threats of war and destruction . . . I can see how having just ONE ultimate leadership that governs the entire planet would be possibly a good thing.

We are going global and there is no stopping this inevitable reality. The internet and rapid transportation and communication have already eliminated the lines of distinction between our continents and nations.

We are going Global and then we will be going into Space. Our planet has to be first unified and on the same page before we can take our place among other planets and the solar system.

‘Those’ who are making this happen . . and I have no good name for them . . . are not who we call the ‘elite’ or the cabal or the evil reptiles . . . these ‘people’ have absolutely no use for money . . . .they are not controlled by or desire wealth or gold or social status. I feel these are individuals who have managed to balanced our reptilian and mammalian dualistic nature . . . I feel these are individuals who have and understand all the ancient Knowledge and accurate history of not only our planet but of our solar system. I do not believe these individuals to be benevolent or evil.

The elite or cabal (as we call them) or those who have wealth and prestige will absolutely resist this global movement because they know it will be the elimination of their control and power . . . or the little they think they have.

In the over all scheme of reality these elite or cabal are absolutely no different than we are . . .WE in our minds and apathy give them this power and control only from the pathetic stance of money . . money . . . money . . . money. I am not their slave or their minion as the alternative world or New Age religion wants me to believe or be . . . . because I left the rat race and that game (a game I played well) and this very deliberate move has allowed me to see more clearer and to be at total peace than I have ever been.
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I see this play out over and over in my head and clearer everyday as I have begun to remember.

Going Global and becoming Unified will be a very good thing for our planet and our solar system it is just getting there will be absolutely horrible . . . this will take 25+ years . . . . all religion . . all financial constructs . . . all government and national leaderships and control factions have to be dissolved and eliminated before the One Government can be established . . . and this will create massive chaos.

If we as a group and as individuals can come to grip with this Truth then we as groups and individuals can soften this transition. I am doing this and have been for many years now . . .creating safe harbors and places while we go through these many years(25+) of darkness and difficulty. This is my mission and why I am at this place and at this time.



Hi there Bluefire, I love the idea of a unified world ...in the abstract anyway. I love the idea of no countries, no religions etc. John Lennon sung of it in his wonderful utopian-themed song 'Imagine'. The amount of useless death caused in the name of religion and nationalism is exponential.

I feel the same way about gun control as I do about a one world government. And that is this: in a perfect world it would be perfect! But I remain steadfast in my belief in the right to bear arms, and I remain steadfast in my belief that nations should remain sovereign, and for the same reason too: the lunatics in power are not be trusted. And those lunatics control everything. They already control the entire world through financial manipulation, and I fear unifying the world under a 'one-world' banner would only consolidate their efforts. It would make it easier for them!

[Rocky_Shorz]

you'd think after 60 plus years of weather modification experience, they could have at least arranged some snow for Putin's Olympics...

[Dennis Leahy]

We cannot put on the blame in the ‘polluting piggies’ because each and everyone of us are the polluters
A whole different subject, yes we have been sucked into the vortex but our society is set up to use fossil fuels from before you and I were born. There is no easy (or even moderately difficult) way for consumers to exist en masse in this society and not consume the fossil fuels. We're not innocent victims, but we are victims. There is also the matter of scale, and "they" do more damage in an hour than society does in a year. But this is off-topic. Let's save it for another topic.


I have never said that our polluted air (and water) is not an ongoing problem that we have had for many years. I am saying, however, that we have to STOP terrorizing people that the very air they breathe is laden with nano particles and chemicals that are keeping them from (fictitious) transcendence into some ethereal existence. We have to STOP this ongoing brainwashing of people into believing they are victims of stifling slavery with no hope of any kind of peaceful cohabitation.

And you know what??? The alternative community is doing this . . . . NOT ‘them’ . . . .I see thread after thread after thread popping up with this absurd meme that we are slaves of reptile/archon controlled super elite. Fear mongering (like killer chemtrail snow that doesn’t melt) and even though these implanted fear memes are often debunked it still STICKS in peoples minds. I have watched this particular meme build over the past year . . . . here on Avalon and other alternative websites and forums . . . it is not ‘them’ that is implanting these absurd notions and information . . . . it is US!
That's why I said the water should simply be analyzed (for the snow.)

Here's what you are ignoring: NO scientists and NO government agency are coming forward to explain what they decided to do (without asking OR informing us.) And, done in complete secrecy, using (what appears to be COINTEL-PRO type) disinformation campaigns to try to pretend that what we are seeing are really "persistent contrails" - but we are supposed to just laugh that off and not form guesses as to what the hell they are realy doing. Especially considering the link between Alzheimer's and aluminum. Especially considering the link between Monsanto patented seeds to withstand aluminum (that is toxic, in quantity, in all plants.)

You really think it is fair to dismiss everyone's conjecture as being tinfoil hatted kooks, when there is official SECRECY surrounding the existence of chemtrail spraying? Oh, and are you aware of the US government/military spraying radioactive isotopes and cadmium over people? Well, some of the people guessing that chemtrails could be nefarious are certainly aware that the US government/military are happy to use unsuspecting populations as Guinea pigs.
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Who do you think the people are that created “What on Earth are They Spraying”? These people have a meme to spread . . . these people have an agenda . . . these people force data to reinforce what they what to say and create.

I really don't know what to say to this. So, YOUR scientists (hidden and secret) are truthful, and the scientists interviewed for that movie are liars. Wow.


I will stand by my statement that there are no massive amount of nano laden (robot thingies) ...Not sure why you're addressing this to me. I never said these tiny particles are robotic. I have seen an article where someone claimed it to be so, but the vast, vast majority of posts I have seen on this forum are not focused on nano-robots. It adds some drama to your argument, but is irrelevant. I didn't say we are breathing nano-bots, (microscopic robots), I said we are breathing aluminum and barium.


...I am sick and angry and frustrated of being fed lies and misinformation from ALL damn sources. Including the alternative media and New Age religion.

What I have found from samples from my Kansas farm and the samples here in no way supports what we are being told. Are there pollutants? Yes! Is there (sometimes) barium and aluminum present? Yes!

But keep in mind that barium and aluminum are also NATURALLY occurring metals. ...

I don't believe in the "new age" memes you are blending into a response to me.

Yes, aluminum is a naturally occurring element. However, naturally occurring aluminum is in the form of compounds, not elemental aluminum (and - I believe - is not typically found in nature as simple aluminum oxide either.) The naturally occurring aluminum is in more complex compounds, and those compounds require a great amount of energy to extract the elemental aluminum. Elemental aluminum is not blowing around ANYWHERE ON EARTH, not even downwind of a bauxite mine. Any elemental aluminum and (I believe) pure aluminum oxide found in the atmosphere is refined by humans and deliberately put into the atmosphere in chemtrails.

So, you are wrong in your assertion: "barium and aluminum are also NATURALLY occurring metals. " because they do not naturally occur in a refined, purified state as have been collected by soil scientists. That is UNnatural aluminum.

If you are not finding massive amounts of aluminum in the top 1/4" of soil you are collecting, then I have to wonder about your collecting technique. Credentialed scientists who study soil samples and analyze them for a living have stated - on the record - that aluminum is as high as 6000 times higher than background (scientific control.) You cannot gloss over that - unless you are declaring that they are liars, and/or that your technique for sampling particulate fallout is more accurate than scientists who do this for a living. You can say you agree with geoengineering and that you trust the (hidden) scientists that have made the decision to spray metals in the air, but you cannot say the (refined/unnatural) metals are not there.

I have never found little nano (robot thingies) or anything that resembled ‘man made’ microscopic organisms/particles.

The "robot thingies" is a strawman argument. "Nano" means "billionth" and "nano particle" is shorthand for tiny particles. (I'm not sure all chemtrail sprayed particles are really sub-micron, I doubt it.) Please don't inject "robot thingies" into a reply to me. I'm not talking about robots, I'm talking about tiny sprayed particles (barium and aluminum, specifically) that are refined metals of micron or sub-micron size, deliberately sprayed from chemtrailing jets.


But I am fairly confident that our scientist across our planet and researchers will find a way to effectively and safely control our weather. Well, that's lovely for you. Know that many people do not have this blind faith in a group of secret, hidden, (presumed) scientists who are presumably working on weather modification for presumably non-military purposes. How is your blind faith different than a "new age" person's blind faith?


So, I am not saying and never have said they are not geoengineering . . . I AM saying they are geoengineering for a very different reason other than ‘they’ are killing us and enslaving us and performing mass blood rituals or some other satanic/reptilian blood right rituals . . .
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Geoengineering is taking place in order for us TO survive ...

Geoengineering is taking place (rapidly now) in order for humanity not to be knocked back into another stone age or ice age.
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Breathe the damn air . . it is not killing us . ...

When you show me a nano-particulate that you have pulled/sampled out of the air the very air you are breathing then I will be right there with you.

Regarding the rest of your post I will end in saying I have never said anything about benevolent aliens or elite. I have never said that what they are doing to bring about the NWO or whatever it will be called, is benevolent or evil. This notion has been put on me by you (Dennis) and many others.

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I have been burned and deeply disillusioned by past memes on Avalon and the alternative/ new age world, as well as, the ‘rat race’ or world created by ‘them’.

This new meme (last year or so) on Avalon and other alternative sources, I feel strongly is more destructive and will have even farther reaching negative impacts for many years to come than some of the others. I think this new meme is a foundation being built for what I am waiting and watching . . . this too will come to light.

One thing that I can always rely on and therefore trust is there will be a broad spread of dualistic polarized thinking and believing and behaving . . such as . . alternative/new age (supposedly good guys) and elite controllers (supposedly bad guys) . . .and the real truth is somewhere in the balanced in-between.

Good guys. Bad Guys. Benevolent. Evil. . . . not going there . . not yet . . . I can wait and watch ...

I'm getting weary of going point by point, and having others ideas blended with what I wrote (which ends up being a strawman argument for me - because I didn't bring it up.)

So, you're comfortable with some hidden, unnamed, (supposed) scientists somewhere behind closed doors making a determination to spray metals in the air? (And yes, there is an ENORMOUS amount.) I'm not. Actually, how do we know there are ANY geoengineering scientists behind the spraying? What if they are scientists, but physicists rather than biologists, for example? Don't you think physicists might fix one problem and create ten more (as they did with nuclear energy.) For example, maybe the physicists could figure out a way to reflect back some of the sunlight, but they were total idiots when it came to understanding the biological needs of plankton? Why are you so trusting that they know what they are doing? You think Gaia's systems are all figured out by scientists? Any scientists? Any humans? Really? I don't. Only an arrogant idiot "scientist" would believe they could meddle with weather by spraying metals and/or heating sections of the ionosphere without negative consequences. And only someone terribly naive could trust them - even IF their motives were 100% altruistic. So, you don't believe in "new age" memes, but you go hook, line, and sinker for "chemtrail" spraying, assuming that it is not only altruistic geoengineering, but also assuming that these hidden scientists understand Earth's/Gaia's processes and systems. You believe. Not based on logic, because the programs are officially secret - you and I DO NOT have the data to form an intelligent conclusion - the scientists have never laid out their case, nor explained how this is is not creating more problems than whatever they are addressing (if indeed it is directed by client scientists and not militaristic use of physics - we do not actually know.) We have no way to ascertain motive or efficacy. So, when you declare you believe in them, I don't think you are in a position to make fun of people that believe other ideas.

Rattlesnakes come out in the sun to warm themselves, and move to the shade to cool down. They are venomous. The venom is toxic and necroses tissue. I have observed perhaps 100 rattlesnakes, have caught and released a couple dozen, and the last creature I ever killed and ate (35 years ago) was a rattlesnake. I have a pretty good idea of what rattlesnakes are, how they act, and what to expect.

I will be 60 years old soon. I have witnessed many things that "The Elite"/"the Global Rulers"/international bankers/multinational corporations and the US government that is under their control, have done. They have shown over and over and over that they are greed-based, power-hungry, sociopathic/psychopathic and will literally do anything up to and including genocide and ecocide to get what they want. I don't trust them, and I would be a complete idiot to trust them. I trust rattlesnakes, but not these people.

My response is logical, not emotional. It is not founded on belief. Your misplaced trust of demonstrably extremely untrustworthy people shows amazing naivete, which appears to be a severe knee-jerk reaction to the most outlandish new-age memes, not a well-reasoned response. Your personal response to yourself is one thing - however, handing out rose-colored glasses is malpractice.

Aluminum is a neurotoxin. It was yesterday, and it will be tomorrow...and probably 1000 generations from now. We're not adapting to this neurotoxin, we're being poisoned by it - whether it is collateral damage from well-meaning hidden "scientists" or whether it always had a nefarious purpose. Our nerves don't care what thought was behind releasing the neurotoxin.

Dennis

[grannyfranny100]

Dennis, bravo and amen!!!

[T Smith]

And you know what??? The alternative community is doing this . . . . NOT ‘them’ . . . .I see thread after thread after thread popping up with this absurd meme that we are slaves of reptile/archon controlled super elite.



There isn't really too much to add to Dennis's response to your post (I have to agree almost entirely with his observations), but in regard to this specific statement I believe you may be misinterpreting the so-called slavery "meme" you find popping up over and over on this forum and elsewhere. If we have no choice or say and are subject to the geo-engineering agenda (for good, evil, or indifference) as livestock are subject to the will of the farmer (I thought you might appreciate the analogy) it matters not what the agenda is, be it to enslave or to liberate. The relationship, by definition, describes a form of bondage between master and slave.

I don't necessarily subscribe to the notion that the interests behind geo-engineering are specifically waging a campaign to enslave the masses (although I wouldn't rule it out); I believe this may be the point you are making, but if we have no choice and are subject to their designs on us, whatever the agenda may be, that is a form of slavery.

This isn't fear mongering; this is simply stating the reality of the social structure.

[Kindred]

This is insane, disgusting and sad.

Yes, it is. It's really quite hard to understand.

Either there's real insanity at work here, or real evil, or maybe both. I have to say, for a while now I've had it niggling at the back of my mind that what's afoot may be to offer up the entirety of Planet Earth as some kind of ultimate blood sacrifice.

And that's just it, isn't it? How does one separate the truly ignorant from those who have a deliberate agenda? I suppose in the end it doesn't really matter.

The earth as one big sacrifice? It's an interesting theory, one I haven't heard yet. But if that were the case, wouldn't it be much easier to simply nuke the place? Or flood it? Why bother with all the pageantry of weather manipulation, gmo's, chemtrails etc? Seems a lot of unnecessary work.

Not sure. Thinking out loud here...

I agree with you bruno dante,

I feel statements such as these (ultimate blood sacrifice on a planetary scale) are irresponsible and create deep seated fear and apathy.

This sort of meme makes absolutely no sense to me.

If the planet is being geoengineered to make it more habitable for this evil reptilian race then why all the hoopla? If this is true then wouldn’t they would simply come in kill all us humans in one big massive blood bath and use their more advanced technology to ‘fix the planet’ to their liking and comfort?

Why put up with us measly humans and our paltry inferior technology inhabiting a planet that they want to claim as their own? Seriously if this demented advanced evil alien race existed they would view us the way most view a hill of ants. They would have no qualms eliminating what they would see as a mere nuisance.

As far as any outside entity that desires this world for it's own use, they must get US to Destroy Ourselves. For them to kill us off en-mass outright would Violate Universal Law, and do them far more harm in the long run. They're stupid, but they're not dumb.

That said, I still firmly believe that what we are seeing here is a desire by a small elite group to reduce the overall population level to a 'controllable number' (shades of the Georgia Guide stones, yes?), while still trying to limit the Earth's internal overheating from the increased level of Cosmic Radiation (CR) due to a weakening of both the Sun's and Earth's magnetic fields, as well as the loss of flaring by the Sun.

Normally, the Sun's flaring expands Earth's atmosphere and assists in limiting CR, but without this, the Earth's atmosphere becomes thinner. Under normal conditions, the thinner atmosphere is able to radiate the excess heat created by the increased CR more rapidly, thus naturally cooling the Earth.

Again, a self-correcting system.

However, with this climate engineering, they are limiting the influx (to a degree) of the CR, but this reflection works Both Ways, and thus also reflects the Earth's internally produced infrared radiation. Thus, the surface expels the heat, but it's trapped below the 'aluminum cloud cover', causing extreme pressure differentials which cause the weather, which they then manipulate using the HARRP arrays (as well as the Doppler and Next-Rad arrays), which are stationed all around the northern hemisphere, and are used to control the jet stream and local pressure cells via pulsed beams which can control and direct these pressure differentials. I suspect that "they' hope to keep the Earth around long enough to rule it for a little while longer, perhaps in conjunction with their 'non-local friends'.

If you ask me... it sounds like a 'deal with the Devil', and it may just backfire on them in a Big Way...

By the same token, Humanity, as a People, may be able to 'wake up' and Unify soon enough to break this 'deal'.

I remain optimistic as to the outcome.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Joe Akulis]

According to some "contactees", the so-called reptilian race once waged a war throughout the universe that lasted for millions of years. When this war was being waged, sometimes if they didn't like you, they wouldn't wipe out your planet, they would wipe out your sun. Then yours and every other planet in the system was destroyed. Universal Law was not enough to keep them from doing it. They did it. Supposedly a federation of races and nations/planets in opposition to this race was finally able to negotiate a peace. (If you believe in "outside entities" and their folklore.)

The point is: they had to be resisted. Relying on their respect for the free will of others is probably not a recommended tactic. :-)

[blufire]

Yeah Dennis. . . I'm done and tired of you breaking my posts down point by point too and rewriting and reinterpreting my overall point. . . Not to mention pigeon holing into someone and something I am not.

[Bill Ryan]

But keep in mind that barium and aluminum are also NATURALLY occurring metals. They both are on the ‘periodic table of elements” . . . .remember your basic chemistry? It is essential we have these metals present in our soil and it is NATURAL that they are present.

An extremely unintelligent comment. It strongly suggests you have NOT watched the video. (Please do this!)

Arsenic and Belladonna also occur naturally. It depends what you do with them, and why.

[Carmody]

Naturally occurring aluminum is there in high levels, yes, but it is atomically bound, it is not 'bio-available'.


Aluminium metal is so chemically reactive that native specimens are rare and limited to extreme reducing environments. Instead, it is found combined in over 270 different minerals.[5] The chief ore of aluminium is bauxite.

When it is refined and purified, it is then bioavailable, and ready to atomically bind. And then, it can ~and does~ harm the human body.

[Brodie75]

Going Global and becoming Unified will be a very good thing for our planet and our solar system it is just getting there will be absolutely horrible . . . this will take 25+ years . . . . all religion . . all financial constructs . . . all government and national leaderships and control factions have to be dissolved and eliminated before the One Government can be established . . . and this will create massive chaos.

If we as a group and as individuals can come to grip with this Truth then we as groups and individuals can soften this transition. I am doing this and have been for many years now . . .creating safe harbors and places while we go through these many years(25+) of darkness and difficulty. This is my mission and why I am at this place and at this time.

Going global as you say "could" possibly be a good thing maybe, but the other side of that coin is once the World is under the control of one Gov
what's to stop another Hitler or Bush for that matter, because all being under the control of one Gov who is there to stand in the way?
As for the Chemtrailing thing i do agree in the possibility of it being for our benifet
but with the track record of the current western governments do you really beleive it likely?
I don't personally but as i said it's possible.

[Valle]

Sorry for a a bit off-topic post.
I remember that I saw a TV report about President Bush jogging, and the Journalist asked about his favorite music? He said it was Creedence Clearwater Revival.
And when I read this thread -I remember this song and how is strange it is..- and its about weather and the future.
Bad Moon Rising Lyrics
4YlTUDnsWMo

[Carmody]

Superconductivity happens on a 2d plane, one might say. Other solar systems observed out there, are not as organized and 'flat', or 2d as thins one here.


Vibrational modes of atomic structure define the atomic structure and how it integrates with other atomic structures. It's mass, gravitation, how it flow through or interacts in the sense of time, etc.

Differential between atomic structures is what defines time, space, gravity, mass, etc. Relative and localized, etc.

Now, in order to effect a strong resonance in a PLANE, in this case a thin disc, one would have to 'spin' things, like the way a monk will spin the mallet around a prayer bowl.

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inside of that bowl, think of the surface of the water being the PLANE of the solar system of earth. again, the solar system of EARTH is highly organized, for a solar system, a very decent plane, for the most part. So... very much like that water 'plane' in the singing bowl.

Think of the planets being 'mallets' like that used on the prayer bowl, but all kinds of bowls, in this case rings..floating in multidimensional charged electric resonant and oscillating elastic space.

http://www.gcsescience.com/solar-system.gif

Now, place this near perfect sphere, called the earth.... in a point of this evolved complex moving/standing wave resonance pattern of excitation of these multidimensional fields...place this earth in a resonance point that is exactly where you want it to be, to obtain the perfect complex resonant excitation. One of those red dot points, for example.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Standing_wave_2.gif

Now, the sphere occupying the red dot point, will be excited by these resonance patterns, this earth will be excited by them and have multidimensional fields passing through it in differing patterns of excitation and integration.

A multidimensional meet point. Where multiple dimensions can and do INTEGRATE with one another. In a almost controlled way, in a pattern that is predictable. This is astrology's origin.

We also get the ley lines, as this constantly changing and roiling multidimensional pattern of energy impacting this high energy resonance zone that the earth is in.. it causes the earth to 'fire up' into all these platonic solid energy patterns. Imagine a skin over the these platonic solids, and that would be the earth under the influence of these multidimensional vibrational fields. The edges are the strong vibrational nodes, which form the ley lines, or vortex lines. Those lines vary in intensity and also have slight changes in location, but are pretty stable. They change in intensity and dimensional crossing 'availability' according to the motion of the planets, how those 'mallets' stuck and move, how those planets excite their complementary modes that are impacting the 'earth'.

Free energy, or over unity is about breaking atomic and thus dimensional and temporal/gravitational bonds. If we vibrate a material differently, we can make it disappear from this dimension, to shift to another, and so on.

http://www.auntannie.com/Geometric/PlatonicSolids/PlatonicSolids440.jpg

The earth is VALUABLE, as it is a crossing point for MULTIPLE dimensions, in a stable 3D plane of dimensional spaces, all laid on top of one another. Multiple time lines, multiple dimensions, multiple times, or across time and dimensions,

A very rare and nearly perfected mutli-axis nexus point, if you will.

Most of this is covered in the lithium thread.

In effect, why the earth?

Well this is why: when in a war, or any other complex integrated multi-cultural, multi-race, multidimensional consideration..especially all of them stacked up on (and literally through) one another......controlling a multi-entrance/exit thoroughfare 'nexus' point can be critical.

The earth.... is a crossroads. In far more ways than most people here currently know how to understand.

One of the reasons they may want to dumb us down, is that this is a 'consensus universe' or a consensus agreement of reality. that our duality, our animal hindbrain bits 'hold' this holographic reality in place, we ANCHOR it in 3d linear unidirectional reality.

That some of us can and do change reality, with our MINDS, in the casting of influence. Spoon bending, levitating monks, and so on. People like Doyle Noyes, etc. As long as we are ignorant and of a duality mind, we can be used as a plodding animal on a treadmill that holds this reality stable.

If we awaken, individually and collectively....things change.

[blufire]

But keep in mind that barium and aluminum are also NATURALLY occurring metals. They both are on the ‘periodic table of elements” . . . .remember your basic chemistry? It is essential we have these metals present in our soil and it is NATURAL that they are present.

An extremely unintelligent comment. It strongly suggests you have NOT watched the video. (Please do this!)

Arsenic and Belladonna also occur naturally. It depends what you do with them, and why.


Yes Bill . . . taking that one sentence out of several very long very well thought posts this does appear to be a very unintelligent statement.

Thank you for your continual undermining of my place as a long standing member of Avalon. I am the same person I have always been on Avalon anyone can go back through my posts and threads as well as the old PA forum (blufire77 on that one) I have always marched to the beat of a different drum and seldom fall in line with the overall opinions of most members . . . .why are you now so negative toward me?

I feel strongly that you making comments such as this one . . . .


Either there's real insanity at work here, or real evil, or maybe both. I have to say, for a while now I've had it niggling at the back of my mind that what's afoot may be to offer up the entirety of Planet Earth as some kind of ultimate blood sacrifice

. . . . is very irresponsible and unintelligent. People look up to you Bill as a leader and take your thoughts and opinions to heart. They listen to you Bill as someone who is ultimately informed and knowledgeable of things that happening around us at a increasingly rapid pace. Can you not see that impact this type of comment would have to the thousands come to your forum?

So many times I have wished you would follow up on threads such as this one and give the people that come to your forum some hope and practical suggests to how they can be more proactive as individuals and then perhaps as groups.

But instead you drop threads such as these like bombs and make comments like ‘ultimate blood sacrifices’ At the very least the only hope I have seen you give people is to move out of the U.S. and to Ecuador which I also feel is irresponsible and leaves the mass majority with no hope.

I watched the video up to the point he was speaking of the methane gas pockets and the video stopped and would not upload again. Does he ever speak to what we as a group or as individuals can proactively do . . . or is it just a continuation of the same type of hopeless desperate fear mongering.

Do I believe geoengineering is taking place? YES! But not as some sort of preliminary setting to a massive ritualistic blood sacrifice.

Do I believe geoengineering is and will be used as Warfare? YES! As a tool to bring about a Unified Planet, weather will be (and is) used to manipulate countries into submitting to this ‘new order’. Do I agree that this is a horrible situation and action? YES! Countries and nations will not submit easily to this new unified global government. This is why I am speaking so adamantly about the next 25+ years of darkness as I have remembered from my childhood contact. Even while people as yourself and others are undermining and trying to discredit what I am saying and making me out to be a lunatic . . . .

Do I believe there will be a collapse of civilization? YES! There will be a massive very slow . . . painfully chaotic slow . . . collapse of civilization. But at the same time a new civilization will be implemented.

This new civilization will be global and unified and technologically advanced and preparing for space travel. As Henry Deacon (I believe it was him) said it is imperative that we not be deterred from our space programs.

Will this new global government be peachy keen and rosy? HELL NO! Which is why WE have to be proactive and instrumental in establishing ‘safe zones’ globally. As I said in my thread of my contact as a child, there will be global ‘dead zones where the majority of the population will live (he mentioned these dead zones in the video and even put up a map of them!)

I see these things as clear as a possible Bill. I see them in my head, I see them as pictures playing out over and over when I go deep in side myself (meditate?)

I keep hoping and plugging away with this Message I am being relentlessly pushed to deliver now . . . . I don't want it! I would rather sit up here on my mountain and watch the stars.

So either help me out a bit here and at least try just a little to hear the message . . . it meshes so much with other information that is coming out rapidly now

The difference is I feel the information is being mired up and sidelined and lost by the ongoing memes that keep popping up in the alternative world and new age religion

I feel there is a deadlock we keep reaching over and over that keeps us from proactively moving toward establishing the safe zones and/or giving people a future they can dream and have hope.

This deadlock is not coming from ‘them’ . . . it is coming from us the alternative world and the New Age sect.

[Carmody]

Blufire, you seem to be talking about turtling, retreating, being the good slave or pet and going back into the cage/shell/box when beaten upon.

Many of us are not interested in that scenario as a repeat performance, for the umpteenth time.

We have to move into that new world while the situation can be grasped. Otherwise the controllers remain in place, the monkey on the back, the parasite on the back - remains.

Collapse will come, yes, that is the grease that allows for the inherent stalemate in the duality mind of humans...to be loosened. It will allow for rumination, reflection on values and aims, to see the extremes and directions in potentials...and allow for change.

Seize the day, or leave it to 'controllers'. Your choice. I'm not talking about war, I'm talking about growing into it and growing up - bigger, larger, more capable..

[Joe Akulis]

Brodie, you quoted me quoting blufire. Those were his words.

On that sort of side topic, I'm sure most other planets that might be in a "federation" if you believe in that, have learned of ways to have individuals represent the entire planet to this federation. Their histories are all completely different from ours, so it's not something we can learn how to do from them. We have to forge that path on our own.

To get back on topic though, I wanted to mention that I recently subscribed to GAIAM TV. They made it so that I can get the app on my Samsung smart tv now. It's great.

Regina Meredith is a jewel. She has so many terrific interviews available there. I'm guessing a lot of it is reproduced on youtube, but not sure what and how much. I've been going through her interviews with the guy who made the "<blank> in the world" movies", and they say a "WHO in the world" sequel is in the works. She also did a 1 hour interview with Dane Wigington about a month ago.

Toward the end of the interview with "What in the world" producer, she rattles off a list of things that have been recommended that can help us eliminate the heavy metals from our bodies. I will pull it back up and post the list later today when I get back home.

I know something called "MSM" was mentioned. Anyone know what that stands for?

[Carmody]

Naturally occurring aluminum is there in high levels, yes, but it is atomically bound, it is not 'bio-available'.


Aluminium metal is so chemically reactive that native specimens are rare and limited to extreme reducing environments. Instead, it is found combined in over 270 different minerals.[5] The chief ore of aluminium is bauxite.

When it is refined and purified, it is then bioavailable, and ready to atomically bind. And then, it can ~and does~ harm the human body.

According to Dr. Nikolai A. Kozyrev's research, aluminum is the single element that will slow and 'refract', and block... multidimensional energies. Thus, it is a natural dimensional refractive device, like that of glass lenses and visible light. In this case, the additive aspect of slowing the scalar waves, IIRC, by about 50%.

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/books-free-online/20-the-divine-cosmos/95-the-divine-cosmos-chapter-01-the-breakthroughs-of-dr-na-kozyrev

And it tends to accumulate in the human BRAIN, a multidimensional antenna and locational point for a multidimensional that is connected to a human avatar, the one with the 'brain/antenna'.

That some very low level of natural aluminum may be necessary or normal, but high levels..seems to rot (break down, clog, etc) that antenna from within.

Spraying high levels of aluminum from chemtrails can cause the given sprayed nano aluminum to block any multidimensional waves from working in that area of the earth's sphere/surface/atmosphere, or possibly block dimensional communications or data. But it also can and does -kill humans.

Spraying chemtrails with nano aluminum creates, at the very least, in the given vicinity..a multidimensional fog. In this case, possibly.....the fog of war. A very purposeful harm of humans, or an intentional multidimensional fog that hampers communications, sight lines, etc. Maybe both. Harming humans may be considered collateral damage. Or it may be done to simply stop humans, specifically that of the USA, and the west, from coming into their multidimensional own selves.

[Kindred]

Naturally occurring aluminum is there in high levels, yes, but it is atomically bound, it is not 'bio-available'.


Aluminium metal is so chemically reactive that native specimens are rare and limited to extreme reducing environments. Instead, it is found combined in over 270 different minerals.[5] The chief ore of aluminium is bauxite.

When it is refined and purified, it is then bioavailable, and ready to atomically bind. And then, it can ~and does~ harm the human body.

According to Dr. Nikolai A. Kozyrev's research, aluminum is the single element that will slow and 'refract', and block... multidimensional energies. Thus, it is a natural dimensional refractive device, like that of glass lenses and visible light. In this case, the additive aspect of slowing the scalar waves, IIRC, by about 50%.

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/books-free-online/20-the-divine-cosmos/95-the-divine-cosmos-chapter-01-the-breakthroughs-of-dr-na-kozyrev

And it tends to accumulate in the human BRAIN, a multidimensional antenna and locational point for a multidimensional that is connected to a human avatar, the one with the 'brain/antenna'.

That some very low level of natural aluminum may be necessary or normal, but high levels..seems to rot (break down, clog, etc) that antenna from within.

Spraying high levels of aluminum from chemtrails can cause the given sprayed nano aluminum to block any multidimensional waves from working in that area of the earth's sphere/surface/atmosphere, or possibly block dimensional communications or data. But it also can and does -kill humans.

Spraying chemtrails with nano aluminum creates, at the very least, in the given vicinity..a multidimensional fog. In this case, possibly.....the fog of war. A very purposeful harm of humans, or an intentional multidimensional fog that hampers communications, sight lines, etc. Maybe both. Harming humans may be considered collateral damage. Or it may be done to simply stop humans, specifically that of the USA, and the west, from coming into their multidimensional own selves.

BOTH Excellent analysis in post 102 & 106!

And now we can throw into this mix the electromagnetic 'soup' that we are being irradiated with, 24/7/365.

You know that 'they' Know how to control the mind with frequency... so lets fill our brains with nano aluminum and see what Happens!

All in all, not a good prospect, indeed.

I truly believe that by raising one's Consciousness (frequency) is the Only way to break free of these assaults, aside from ending this poisoning of our air and dimensional reality.

Live in and from the Heart and LOVE... the Highest Frequency... and Love One Another.

We CAN 'make a difference'.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[chocolate]

blufire, I know here everyone loves everyone else(!), we had a good example of that yesterday.
But every once in a while I get out of my balance when I see how someone tries to make me think giving examples and explanations that at a point start to sound really irritating. I will say this with all my respect for you:
I can think quite well on my own without your added effort!

I have one set of eyes, one brain and two hands and those on their own are enough to show me we are all dying.
Don't get me wrong, I am not too keen on living here, but if the point is to stay alive, than we are missing the point.

Thanks, Carmody, for mentioning the aluminum fog. And the rest of your several posts. I really loved them.
All planets are on such crossroads as the Earth is. Given the chance, I am sure soon we will manage to kill them all. By ignorance alone.

I can't believe we are still at this stage of trying to prove it is happening.

[Bill Ryan]

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@ Blufire: this thread is about Geoengineering. It's not about you. You already have a thread about you.

You have a pattern of derailing threads that are trying to bring well-intended and well-grounded awareness to others. Don't do that here. In your comments about barium and aluminium being naturally occurring, you show your hand. Don't play the marginalized victim. The members here are smarter than that.

You sure sound like an apologist for the NWO agenda. I don't like that. I think you have an implanted role to help bring it on by selling the inevitability to anyone who will listen (and here, of course, not many do). So I'll say clearly here what a lot of others are thinking and not stating: it stinks. Please go back to your own thread and talk about yourself there.

:focus:

[chocolate]

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I know something called "MSM" was mentioned. Anyone know what that stands for?
May be this will help:

MSM, which is a metabolite of DMSO, and approved for use in humans, primarily impacts your health by reducing inflammation. It’s widely used as a supplement for arthritic conditions. Like DMSO, MSM also appears to improve cell wall permeability, so it can be used to help deliver other active ingredients. Perhaps most important, MSM helps protect against oxidative damage. from http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/03/03/msm-benefits.aspx

For MMS and Jim Humble- http://jimhumble.org/0-read-this-first and I think there are threads on the forum as well.
I don't know the exact context the "MSM" was mentioned.

[Joe Akulis]

Carmody, I think your post including some of Kozyrev's research is worth focusing on a bit more here. In chocolate's thread where we are introduced to the work of Alexander V. Trofimov and Vlail P. Kaznacheev, who are following up on the heels of Kozyrev's work. From that original post here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68187-Scientific-explanations-of-psychic-phenomena-and-timespace-Dr.-N.-A.-Kozyrev--s-Mirrors&p=794037&viewfull=1#post794037

they said the following:

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Trofimov: Inside this shell are several layers of a special steel called “permalloy” that has magnetic “receiving qualities,” that is sensitive to magnetism. Inside the tube, the magnetic field is diminished 600 times.

Currently, the Earth’s magnetic field has 49,000 nano-Teslas. It has been decreasing by about 50-70 nano-Teslas per year. By the end of the millennium, we’ll have only 100-200 nano-Teslas. So, this apparatus allows us to emulate the situation that we will have 1000 years in our future.

[He sat down on the open end of the tube]. Where I’m sitting now, the magnetic field is how it will be on Earth in 100 years. As I move further into the apparatus, the magnetic field is decreased, as it will be on Earth further into the future. We measure the results every 15 centimeters, which is equivalent to 100 years. In a thousand years, we will be somewhere in the middle of this apparatus.

This apparatus is the most important research instrument for assessment of the evolutionary consequences of the fluctuation of Earth’s magnetic field.

Carol: What is the result of that diminished magnetic field?

Trofimov: As the force of the magnetic field is decreased, the sun’s energies will penetrate more.

Carol: So the magnetic field protects us from the solar rays?

Trofimov: Yes, and also cosmic rays — galactic protons, for example. The less protection there is, the more particles can reach us.

Carol: Is the ozone layer a different mechanism?

Trofimov: Somewhat different. The ozone layer filters only the ultraviolet part of the spectrum.

So we have a profound opportunity to really emulate what will happen with any living creature or human being, century by century — how we will co-exist with these energies from space. What will happen? Either our mind reserves or extra abilities will open, or on the contrary they will be limited, and some catastrophe will happen. So basically, this is a like a theatrical stage, where we can see how the fate of human life will play in a thousand years.

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(The bold emphasis is mine.) Looks like that article is from 2009.

I would like to venture further with my beliefs stated earlier, and point out that this helps to describe exactly what I believe the economic powers of our day are trying to prevent.

At some point you may start hearing: If we don't do this, global warming is going to ruin everything.
But there's often that next layer of truth that is rather impermeable, the one that congressmen won't touch with a ten foot pole.

And I think the heart of "Why" they are spraying, it has to do with certain people learning about this concept. Call it ascension. Call it an exposure to greater energies from the galactic center. Call it a reduction in the earth's electromagnetic fields... The inference is the same: humanity could be poised to see some amazing growth and advancement.

And to push even further, I think it even more interesting that the founding father of this technology is also the same guy explaining how aluminum is really great at sheilding us from the very catalyst of those amazing changes awaiting the human race.

No? :-)


edit: Sorry, it was chocolate's post I'm copying from, not Carmody's. Fixed.

[Joe Akulis]

Pilfering some more from chocolate's thread:

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“The total world human Intellect in its cosmoplanetary motion is neither derivative from nor some procreation of, the social movement (social cultural historical development). It is the peculiar cosmoplanetary phenomenon in the organization and motion of the Universe Living matter in its earth-adapted manifestation.” (p.6)

This point of view plants the notions of mind, thought, intellect and science in the cosmic realm as functions of self-existing thinking layers dispersed throughout the universe and which are adapted by temporal conditions to the evolving states of planetary biospheres or planetary/stellar noospheres.
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As a consequence, the research of V. Kaznacheev, utilizing the mirrors in order to engage in cosmoplanetary experimentation, demonstrates that there are shifts in the human intellect at a new horizon, where virtual reality and virtual brain nature – the paranormal activated through ether torsion properties – begin to loosen up, evolving us into a period of new kinds of transpersonal interactions of the human mind.
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(From a paper, “About Some Observations in the Planet Information Space,” by A.V. Trofimov (ISRICA, 2001))

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This statement seems to be alluding to shifts upwards through what lots of people have referred to as "densities" or "dimensions".

Characterizing those densities/dimensions is also a favorite hobby of mine. There are many here on Avalon who have helped tremendously with my concepts of these "states".

Perhaps I'm stretching a bit with my thinking, but that's how I convert Trofimov's wording to my "Avalonian Layman" terms. :cool:

[thunder24]

Naturally occurring aluminum is there in high levels, yes, but it is atomically bound, it is not 'bio-available'.


Aluminium metal is so chemically reactive that native specimens are rare and limited to extreme reducing environments. Instead, it is found combined in over 270 different minerals.[5] The chief ore of aluminium is bauxite.

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Spraying chemtrails with nano aluminum creates, at the very least, in the given vicinity..a multidimensional fog. In this case, possibly.....the fog of war. A very purposeful harm of humans, or an intentional multidimensional fog that hampers communications, sight lines, etc. Maybe both. Harming humans may be considered collateral damage. Or it may be done to simply stop humans, specifically that of the USA, and the west, from coming into their multidimensional own selves.

http://100777.com/node/438

...We will always stand above the relative field of their experience for we know the secrets of the absolute.
We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and secrecy. Death will come to he who speaks.
We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite.
We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening.
We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air.
They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.
The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison.

I think this is from the Learned Elders of the Protocols of zion

[WEAREONE]

Well it appears Bill is not yet been taken over by the overlords. It appears he is still human and all that it entails. HA!

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@ Blufire: this thread is about Geoengineering. It's not about you. You already have a thread about you.

You have a pattern of derailing threads that are trying to bring well-intended and well-grounded awareness to others. Don't do that here. In your comments about barium and aluminium being naturally occurring, you show your hand. Don't play the marginalized victim. The members here are smarter than that.

You sure sound like an apologist for the NWO agenda. I don't like that. I think you have an implanted role to help bring it on by selling the inevitability to anyone who will listen (and here, of course, not many do). So I'll say clearly here what a lot of others are thinking and not stating: it stinks. Please go back to your own thread and talk about yourself there.

:focus:

[confused]

Original post removed...

[blufire]

But keep in mind that barium and aluminum are also NATURALLY occurring metals. They both are on the ‘periodic table of elements” . . . .remember your basic chemistry? It is essential we have these metals present in our soil and it is NATURAL that they are present.

An extremely unintelligent comment. It strongly suggests you have NOT watched the video. (Please do this!)

Arsenic and Belladonna also occur naturally. It depends what you do with them, and why.


Yes Bill . . . taking that one sentence out of several very long very well thought posts this does appear to be a very unintelligent statement.



Blufire, Bill is much wiser, more patient, and more unyielding than I, as I cannot hold back in telling you why this was clearly an unintelligent statement, even when taken completely within the context of its original supposedly "very long very well thought post".

If you had watched the video, which you clearly did not, at least not in its entirety, you would at least know that he discusses exactly what you say here, exactly that particular argument. He also explains that you NEVER find Aluminum in nature in its free form, but rather ALWAYS bound. To get free, unbound aluminum into the ecosystem you MUST MINE, PROCESS, and then APPLY it to the land/air/water. It is that simple. It would behoove you to at least watch a video upon which a thread is based before posting what you describe as your "very long very well thought posts".

As Bill said, please don't play the marginalized victim because given your initial unintelligent statement followed by your unintelligent rebuttal to Bill, it all clearly does stink...


You know guys it has been a very long day. One of my cows gave birth today and being a first time momma she has some trouble with the big boy she finally delivered about an hour ago. I sit here not smelling too good, I can’t feel my toes since we are having a snow storm and I am weary to the bone.

But, I at least feel I need to reply to this post by ‘confused’. . . not to defend myself but because there is so much misinformation that I don’t feel I would be responsible to let it go unanswered.

Bless my poor little ignorant pea pickn’ unintelligent brain . . .I swear I have no idea what all those soil and water tests I have been doing all these years (over 20) means when it comes up with an aluminum level reading.

Not only do I regularly test my soils, I also have been following gas drilling (fracking) crews here in Virginia for a few years (Halliburton and Chesapeake). I sometimes spend days in the mountains following underground aquifers and taking tests of the water (I do my own and send others to labs) . . . one of the metals always tested is aluminum levels.

Just google ‘aluminum soil test kits’ . . . I have a LaMotte kit that I paid over $800 a few years back . . .but you can get one for around $75 that can give good readings . . mine is more costly because of the gas drilling/ fracking research I am doing.

Below is a portion of an article about testing for aluminum in your soil. Aluminum is there just as normal and natural as any other mineral or metal.



http://www.spectrumanalytic.com/support/library/ff/Soil_Aluminum_and_test_interpretation.htm

Soil Aluminum and Soil Test Interpretation

Aluminum is not an essential element for either plants or animals. Most plant producers have heard that too much aluminum (Al) can be harmful to plants. However, many may not be aware that there are multiple forms of Al in the soil and most of them are not directly harmful to plants. There are also multiple methods of testing the soil for these various forms of Al and several different ways to use these soil test results. This paper will discuss these aspects of soil Al and using soil Al test results.

Aluminum is the most abundant metal in the earth's crust. It makes up about 7% of the mass (essentially the weight) of the earths crust. If you apply this number to an acre of soil 6 2/3 inches deep (2 million pounds of soil), that 7% "Total Al" would equal about 140,000 lb Al/acre or 70,000 ppm. Those of us involved in producing plants, whether those plants are agricultural, turf, or ornamental, should understand how Al can affect these plants.

Forms of Aluminum in Testing
As mentioned earlier, there are multiple forms of Al in the soil and multiple tests that have been used to identify these different forms. Only two of the tests are useful for growers.

1. Available Al: This test determines the amount of the "available" or easily soluble Al (Al+++). Growers can use this result to evaluate the potential of Al toxicity to their crop. This is not a routine test and must be specifically requested.

2. Mehlich 3-Al: Mehlich 3-Al (M3-Al) is extracted with the same chemical solution that is used in determining many plant nutrients. Mehlich 3 is a stronger extracting solution than used for available Al, so the results are much larger values. The M3-Al result has no relationship to "available" Al. It is used by several north eastern states when converting the Mehlich 3-P result to the equivalent Morgan-P test result. We automatically run the M3-Al test on all soil samples that are received from those states in which the University lab runs the Morgan-P test, so that they are able to make this conversion if they want.

Aluminum Toxicity
Excess soluble/available aluminum (Al+++) is toxic to plants and causes multiple other problems. Some of the more important problems include...

• Direct toxicity, primarily seen as stunted roots

• Reduces the availability of phosphorus (P), through the formation of Al-P compounds

• Reduces the availability of sulfur (S), through the formation of Al-S compounds

• Reduces the availability of other nutrient cations through competitive interaction

The primary damage caused by excess Al+++ is in damage to plant roots, as seen in these wheat seedlings. Diagnosing this type of damage requires that growers inspect the root systems of their crops or other plants. Of course, when plants have damaged root systems, many other above-ground symptoms are likely. One of the most common will be P-deficiency. However, since Al-toxicity occurs in strongly acid soils, plants may also exhibit deficiency symptoms of calcium (Ca), magnesium (Mg), or other nutrients. They might also show symptoms of manganese (Mn) toxicity, which is common when the soil pH is too low. Finally, poor root development reduces the plants ability to absorb water. Plant problems that damage the roots are difficult to diagnose with leaf analysis. This is because the uptake of these toxins is somewhat self-limiting, due to the root damage that they cause. This is most common with Al and copper (Cu) toxicities.

It is as easy to test for aluminum as it is for any other metal or mineral in your soil or water.

There are cheap test kits or just send samples to your local county extension agent and ask specifically for a full range spectrum analysis . . it costs me around $25 a sample.

Really folks to just put your mind to rest and peace . . . . just sample and test your soil and water. It truly is not hard or a mystery. If you do find high levels then there are many things that can be done to remedy your soil or yourself.

This will be my last post on this thread out of respect for Bill and others.

Headed to check momma and baby one more time and taking a long shower and then the bed.

[confused]

[QUOTE=confused;796527][QUOTE=blufire;796303][QUOTE=Bill Ryan;796271][QUOTE=blufire;795433]
Bless my poor little ignorant pea pickn’ unintelligent brain . . .I swear I have no idea what all those soil and water tests I have been doing all these years (over 20) means when it comes up with an aluminum level reading.


Blufire, I actually just logged back in to remove my post as I felt it was too reactionary after my frontal lobes had time to mull it over. I am sorry. I believe you are very intelligent, but had made some unintelligent statements. In regards to the aluminum levels, I choose to believe you know what they mean. Please watch the video, as he does mention not only the free vs bound aluminum issue, but also the much higher levels than otherwise naturally occurring in California - a potential sacrifice zone. What state are you in? As you left this thread please don't feel the need to answer that.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

But keep in mind that barium and aluminum are also NATURALLY occurring metals. They both are on the ‘periodic table of elements” . . . .remember your basic chemistry? It is essential we have these metals present in our soil and it is NATURAL that they are present.

An extremely unintelligent comment. It strongly suggests you have NOT watched the video. (Please do this!)

Arsenic and Belladonna also occur naturally. It depends what you do with them, and why.

edited as I changed my mind.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Snowmageddon Revelations


f you read my blog the other day, “Lessons to Learn from a Tech-Age Ice Storm,” you probably wondered what was going on in Southeast Pennsylvania, which is part of U.S. FEMA Region III.

Before I go further, may I introduce the YouTube “Insider Confirms – Artificial Snow Falling Over US and Canada.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYqsx2R2dUc.

isten carefully as the person defining what’s probably going on apparently is a government worker who says he cannot divulge classified information.

That video confirms what many people are questioning: What’s going on with the weather?

As you will see in the video, the ‘snow’ is defined as an apparent composite of polymers and other materials like depleted uranium and aluminum-tipped fiberglass. Is that why the new-fallen ‘snow’ in this video does not melt when fire is put to it? It burns and evaporates, rather than melting and dripping water—a totally illogical response from the natural law(s) of physics! According to others, the ‘snow’ does not melt because there is too much air in it. Hello! What happens to any water content in snow? Shouldn’t it drip when heat is applied regardless of air?

Additionally it seems, whoever is geoengineering the weather apparently also may be creating new organisms, as explained in the video. Are Morgellon’s disease particles [1,2] some new organisms? There’s the possibility that new diseases also are being created by this innovative process, particularly if depleted uranium is being used. If DU is being used in geoengineering methods in order to ‘use up’ radioactive waste that cannot be gotten rid of safely, that is nothing new. Similar shenanigans happened in the 1940s, ‘50s, and early ‘60s when aluminum wastes [3,4] and fertilizer making wastes [5] were disposed of under the guise of fluoridation in municipal water supplies to prevent dental cavities.

The REST:

http://www.activistpost.com/2014/02/snowmageddon-revelations.html#more

[ThePythonicCow]

In my view, this forum should not be considered primarily as a debating society, equally open to all who follow the proscribed Marquess of Queensberry Rules for the forum.

This forum has a more essential purpose:


We are engaging in a shared effort to gain better insight and support healthy action. We consider a variety of difficult topics. Being too wrong, too often, with too much energy and too much rhetorical fog of debate ... impedes our essential purpose.

Humanity is at a critical juncture, and our shared awareness and understanding may well decide the outcome.

Of course, deciding what's "wrong", or even just what's "too wrong, too often", is a judgement call. Compassion, tolerance and humility are called for. But that doesn't mean that we should "let anything go", so long as it is technically within some nominal guidelines.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

:focus: :cool::cool::cool:

[ThePythonicCow]

Snowmageddon Revelations

If you read my blog the other day, “Lessons to Learn from a Tech-Age Ice Storm,” you probably wondered what was going on in Southeast Pennsylvania, which is part of U.S. FEMA Region III.

Before I go further, may I introduce the YouTube “Insider Confirms – Artificial Snow Falling Over US and Canada.”

This "fake/plastic/polymer/..." snow is discussed at some length on the Avalon thread: Fake Snow (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67922-Fake-Snow). I'd recommend continuing discussion of that report over on that thread.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

The snow that does not melt has been mentioned here already by Dennis an others so I thought it was O.K. to talk about it.

[ThePythonicCow]

The snow that does not melt has been mentioned here already by Dennis an others so I thought it was O.K. to talk about it.

I suspected as much, though I had not read all this thread. I was just suggesting that further extended discussion of it be continued on the thread focused on that report.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Coolio. :cool:

[Valle]

There is one source to "naturally occurring" heavy metals and that is in fireworks, it includes metals like: barium, strontium, aluminum, magnesium, and titanium
http://chemistry.about.com/od/fireworkspyrotechnics/a/fireworkcolors.htm

[Dennis Leahy]

As I mentioned before, there are concerted efforts to pretend that chemtrails are really contrails, such as this website: http://contrailscience.com/how-to-debunk-chemtrails/ (http://contrailscience.com/how-to-debunk-chemtrails/)

I have a couple of Facebook friends that have just been tag-teamed by "chemtrail debunkers" using what appear to be sock-puppet (phony) accounts. One of the accounts probably thought it was funny to use the last name "Shilling" for the account. Once challenged as being sock-puppet accounts, the accounts were closed.

These kind of efforts show a quite deliberate disinformation campaign still being waged, so when you see that someone (Al Gore, or Bill Gates, or the IPPCC report) supposedly has admitted the use of chemtrails, look carefully and what they are "admitting" is that they "might" use or "might" recommend or that they think it is crazy that the government "might" consider geoengineering. They are admitting nothing.

Another point that should be stressed is that garden/field soil testing involves digging down into the soil. This is quite different than testing for particulates, which would be in the extreme top layer, not uniformly down in the soil. Taking a "normal" soil sample would severely dilute your sample, and give very little indication of what the concentration of particulates in the extreme top layer actually is. If someone is going to get a test kit and/or send soil samples off to a lab, the first thing to do would be to consult with a professional familiar with testing for particulate fallout, and follow their recommendation for obtaining a proper sample.

Water testing would have the same considerations. For example, if you went to a stream known to have gold flakes and nuggets, and test the water for gold, what do you think the outcome would be? Now, what if you test the sediment on the bottom of the stream - would the outcome be the same? Of course not. If chemicals float on water, you'd have to skim the surface of the water to capture a proper representative sample. If the chemical was water soluble, then you'd collect water somewhere between the sediment and the floating top layer. If the chemical being tested for is heavier than water, and not soluble in water (such as elemental aluminum or aluminum oxide), you'd have to test the sediment. Just going out and buying an expensive test kit, even using it hundreds of times, does not make someone an expert in sampling water or soil.

Dennis

[Joe Akulis]

So, you've heard me toss out the theory that this activity is an attempt to hinder some cosmic growth that humans might have been in line for.

Let me toss something else out, instead. Anyone want to talk about Planet-X/Nibiru/The brown dwarf in our binary star system? Anyone else want to chime in with any speculation or evidence that the chemtrailing is part of a plan to soften the impacts of the damage that could be caused by the passing of this brown dwarf?

I've seen statements elsewhere on Avalon by some apparently well informed members who believe this to be the case. That all the underground military bases, and seed vaults AND chemtrailing are efforts to see that humanity survives the passing of this other star...

I've seen people correlate the elliptical path of this brown dwarf to the cycle of the equinoxes, and the ages of the zodiac. You know, like, we've left the age of Pisces and have entered the age of Aquarius. Maybe people on the "inside" know that this phase of its orbit always creates a big mess on earth. So could chemtrails be part of a scheme to help more of us get through? Personally, I'm not buying it, but it should at least be mentioned, since it's not just bluefire who thinks this is a possibility.

An underground bunker doesn't harm anyone else. (Unless a sinkhole eats your house...) A seed vault doesn't poison the populace. Chemtrails do. But maybe these guys felt that even being deep underground and having stuff ready for after it's all over wasn't going to be enough protection. Maybe they could tell their shelters were still gonna be insufficient to even help them make it. So they decided, well, we know all of these people up above are dead anyway, so we're not changing their fate by spraying this stuff to lessen the effect of this brown dwarf on Earth. But it will help ensure that our bunkers gain enough insulation to be successful for us.

[Kindred]

As an example of how much awareness has developed about geoengineering, there's this musical piece... kind of 'catchy' too, and yet full of basic info.

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When the young people become Aware, THEN those who desire to control humanity will have a tough time... the 'old guard' won't last forever.

And, there's this piece that confirms much of what everyone has been discussing...

It's all 'Lawful'...

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In Unity, Peace and Love

[Joe Akulis]

From an old post of Carmody's:


The same idea as people raising their vibration and leaving this plane of existence.( This goes straight in the 'eating meat damages your DNA' thread started by Constance). Same thing but we harm ourselves with the consumption of the meat. This is my direct experience. You can go incredibly far while still consuming meats but you can't get through the last barriers until you abandon the consumption of meats. It really is that simple.


Makes me think that, thanks to all the havok being wreaked on our food supply, some day we may not be able to ever go "incredibly far" if we eat anything at all. :(


Another source that Carmody quotes a few posts later in that thread is probably useful to cover again here:

From http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1555-Pineal-Gland-Maintenance-

Iodine and Detoxification

Iodine intake immediately increases the excretion of bromide, fluoride, and some heavy metals including mercury and lead. Bromide and fluoride are not removed by any other chelator or detoxifying technique. Dr. Kenezy Gyula Korhaz states that iodine chelates heavy metals such as mercury, lead, cadmium and aluminum and halogens such as fluoride and bromide, thus decreasing their iodine inhibiting effects[1] especially of the halogens.
The toxicity of modern life is impacting iodine levels. It is well known that the toxic halides, fluoride and bromide, having structure similar to iodine, can competitively inhibit iodine absorption and binding in the body.
In the case of the halides, which are all antagonistic elements to iodine, they will impede the absorption of iodine. Heavy metals get stored in the same receptors that are looking for iodine. Almost all of us are exposed to bromine and fluorine and are storing these toxic halides in our iodine deficient receptors. The mechanism of iodine in the cells is very ancient and lacking of specificity, in fact, cells are not able to distinguish iodide from other anions of similar atomic or molecular size, which may act as “pseudo-iodides”: bromide, flouride, chlorine, thiocyanate, cyanate, nitrate, pertechnate, and perchlorate.[2]

Iodine has the highest atomic weight of all the common halogens (126.9). Iodine is the only option when it comes to removing these toxic haloids from the thyroid and even the pineal gland where fluoride concentrates, especially when there is a deficiency in iodine in the body. In an age of increasing radioactivity and toxic poisoning specifically with fluoride[3], chlorine and bromide, and even mercury, iodine is a necessary mineral to protect us from harm for immediately these toxic substances will increasingly flow out of the body in the urine.
Humanity is traveling down a deadly path. Awaiting each and every child born on the planet is a life doomed to being poisoned. There is “overwhelming evidence that every child, no matter where in the world he or she is born, will be exposed, not only from birth, but from conception, to man-made chemicals that can undermine the child’s ability to reach its fullest potential — chemicals that interfere with the natural chemicals that tell tissues how to develop and construct healthy, whole individuals according to the genes they inherited from their mothers and fathers,” says Dr. Theo Colborn, Senior Program Scientist, at the World Wildlife Fund. This chapter offers a hugely important answer, a guardian angel in chemical form that we can and actually have to use in the highly toxic age we are all living through. Every pregnant woman should be using iodine and magnesium chloride applied transdermally to initiate protective action from even before conception.


[1] Sticht, G., Käferstein, H., Bromine. In Handbook on Toxicity of Inorganic Compounds – Seiler HG and Sigel, H Editors, Marcel Dekker Inc, 143-151, 1988.
[2] Wolff J (1964) Transport of iodide and other anions in the thyroid gland. Physiol Rev 44:45-90
[3]Fluoride is associated with cancer and it also accumulates in the thyroid as well as the pineal gland, an important hormone control center. Dr. Jennifer Luke’s found out that the pineal gland which produces serotonin and melatonin was also a calcifying tissue, like the teeth and the bones, so she hypothesized it would concentrate fluoride to very high levels. Luke had 11 cadavers analyzed in the UK and found very high levels of fluoride in the calcium hydroxy apatite crystals produced by the gland. The average was 9000 ppm and went as high as 21,000 in one case. These levels are at, or higher, than fluoride levels in the bones of people suffering from skeletal fluorosis. Luke hypothesizes that one of the four enzymes needed to convert the amino acid tryptophan (from the diet) into melatonin is being inhibited by fluoride. Melatonin is reponsible for regulating all kinds of activities including the onset of puberty. It is thought that it is the fall of melatonin levels acts like a biological clock and triggers the onset of puberty. In her gerbil study she found that the high fluoride treated animals were reaching puberty earlier than the low fluoride ones. When one considers the seriousness of a possible interference by fluoride on a growing child’s pineal gland (and for that matter, elderly pineal glands) it underlines the need for higher iodine intake to increase fluoride elimination.


SO, we could use iodine to help chelate all this aluminum from our bodies, if only it weren't for the fact that flouride and bromide also trick the body into thinking that we already have enough iodine? Am I reading that right?

And before you pick up that Mountain Dew and take a slug as you scroll to the next post, take a gander at the following wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brominated_vegetable_oil

Brominated vegetable oil (BVO) is vegetable oil that had atoms of the element bromine bonded to it. Brominated vegetable oil is used to stabilize citrus-flavored soft drinks. Its high density helps the droplets of natural fat-soluble citrus flavors stay suspended in the drink. BVO has been used by the soft drink industry since 1931, generally at a level of about 8 ppm.[1][2]

[pugwash84]

sodium polyacrylate makes good fake snow !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKtBoB8YZM4 I don't know if it burns or not :S

It is scary to think of chem trails because there is no escaping them! xxxxx

[Crystine]

All I can say is that it just simply amazes me.......I think that it's finally gotten as bad as it can get, that we have finally hit bottom, but I'll be damned if it doesn't plummet and get so much worse. How much more can I stand before I go stark raving and run down the street screaming???

I posted this video on my FB page and so far most everyone has poo-pooed it saying they already know all there is to know about geo-engineering. God, what stupid fools they are.

Well Lone Bean........that's why we are all here. Keep as positive as you can, send out the good energy. Stay faithful to yourself. And always hold on to hope. None of us knows exactly what our roll is. But if you decide to run...........find your friends and don't scream too loud. There is always the element of surprise. Very little occurs the way we think it will.

[Eagle Scout]

Well Lone Bean, Welcome to the Bean Farm............I used to have people every day say I must be crazy and few say
that since 911 and none certainly since October 2008 when the economic world started to crash.

Keep the faith and prepare as fast and as much as you can..........a good article today on SHTF Plan about the
problems with food production year round.

I said I would but have yet to do it post a short summary about Clif High's latest report 4 weeks ago........I will
this weekend as I need to reread it and he has another coming out the end of the month.

Eagle Scout

[chocolate]

Cooking of Humanity - Invisible Global Warfare
Deborah Tavares interviews Scientist Barrie Trower
Microwave Warfare

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and probably http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/09/23/dr-barrie-trower-reveals-microwaves-are-weapons-of-social-control/

I would put this as part of the rest of the Warfares. I had watched it a while back, but today something reminded of it and decided to include it here.
I apologize if it was already posted.

[Referee]

This video came across my you tube account. I have been unable to confirm. Fleas dropped in snow. Can anyone confirm this. I have yet to be able to. Quite strange if you ask me pictures to back up claim. originally from Steve Q.
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[chocolate]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1920515_674805272576621_1870761422_n.jpg

Just thought this might help some visualize better...

[Referee]

Here we go how it all works inside your body. The link to Morgellons. and more much more Very good IMHO. Some therapies for morgellons

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[Ealiss]

I finally finished watching this late last night. I want to scream. In fact, lately, my whole soul wants to scream and do something. GMO, geo engineering.... And what can I do? Well, I am looking into teaching about dreams and psychic work to help with the transition and HOPE that earth herself will kill the buggers off who are causing this (through the change in vibration). Apologies if that is too graphic. I do anticipate a 5-7 year world wide famine and extreme decimation of the global populous.

That anyone would do this to earth... :wizard: enough already!

[Joe Akulis]

Started learning a little about Effective Microorganisms in my quests to find ways to clear this crud out of our bodies and out of our soil.

Here's a good link to check out: http://beyondrawfood.com/blog/how-to-neutralize-radiation-and-chemtrails-from-the-sky-your-garden-and-your-body/

[Rocky_Shorz]

March 15th is always the beginning of the Hail/Thunderstorm season in America...

this year, the Hail fell in Dubai... :confused:

reports of people seeing hail for the first time in their lives over there right now...

[Wind]

Mother Earth is giving us a messsage, change your ways while you still have the chance.

[bogeyman]

Many years ago I saw a declassified document pertaining from the US Navy, it pertained to on going experiments which created tornados and hurricanes, with the on goin Hurricane Category 5 Irma which is approaching the Islands and perhaps hitting the eastern regions of the United States, it is food for thought that not is all that it seems.

A break down of the different categories of Hurricanes is listed below for your information:

Types Of Hurricanes
Tropical Storm
Winds 39-73 mph

Category 1 Hurricane
winds 74-95 mph (64-82 kt)
No real damage to buildings. Damage to unanchored mobile homes. Some damage to poorly constructed signs. Also, some coastal flooding and minor pier damage. Examples: Irene 1999 and Allison 1995

Category 2 Hurricane
winds 96-110 mph (83-95 kt)
Some damage to building roofs, doors and windows. Considerable damage to mobile homes. Flooding damages piers and small craft in unprotected moorings may break their moorings. Some trees blown down. Examples: Bonnie 1998, Georges(FL & LA) 1998 and Gloria 1985


Category 3 Hurricane
winds 111-130 mph (96-113 kt)
Some structural damage to small residences and utility buildings. Large trees blown down. Mobile homes and poorly built signs destroyed. Flooding near the coast destroys smaller structures with larger structures damaged by floating debris. Terrain may be flooded well inland. Examples: Keith 2000, Fran 1996, Opal 1995, Alicia 1983 and Betsy 1965


Category 4 Hurricane
winds 131-155 mph (114-135 kt)
More extensive curtainwall failures with some complete roof structure failure on small residences. Major erosion of beach areas. Terrain may be flooded well inland. Examples: Hugo 1989 and Donna 1960

Category 5 Hurricane
winds 156 mph and up (135+ kt)
Complete roof failure on many residences and industrial buildings. Some complete building failures with small utility buildings blown over or away. Flooding causes major damage to lower floors of all structures near the shoreline. Massive evacuation of residential areas may be required. Examples: Andrew(FL) 1992, Camille 1969 and Labor Day 1935.

http://www.hurricanemarketing.com/hurricanes/hurricanes_types.htm

[witchy1]

This is a 52 page research PDF document about USAF owing and weaponizing the weather with a target of 2025 created in August 1996 by a group military boffins. It discusses the importance of weather control and how to do it via the global weather network (GWN) and includes diagrams.
It is referenced for those of us who like confirmations and is timely reading given recent events
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[witchy1]

The disclaimer states... "2025 is a study designed to comply with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force to examine the concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the future...."

Authors are (should anyone want to dig further)

Col Tamzy J House
Lt Col James B. Near, Jr
LTC William B. Shields (USA)
Maj Ronald J Celentano
Maj David M Husband
Maj Ann E Mercer
Jam James E Pugh
Acknowledgements to Mr Mike McKim of Air War College

[witchy1]

Not sure if this belongs here..... This paper by Physicist - Fran De Aquino from 2011 discusses the consequences of heating the ionosphere (which is done via haarp) as they do to alter the weather.......

This paper shows that when subjected to a uniform ELF electromagnetic field, mass can be transitioned to a different time relative to outside observers. It is done artifically and at will - all referenced again

I have no idea where I found it, but might be of use to the scientists among us., Goog search shows many websites for him

http://oriharu.net/ufophysics/explosionalmost.htm

http://frandeaquino.blogspot.co.nz/

[bogeyman]

All this in the mainstream doesn't get the light of day and two hurricanes in such a short period of time, even though Harvey was downgraded is something to ponder.

[Tintin]

And this in yesterday in my inbox from Natural News. Certainly, there is man-made (notice man, not woman here!) interference and modification going on, absolutely. However I would propose that this is in conjunction with existing natural prevailing weather patterns and systems, and witness the recent increase in solar activity/CMEs which are certain to also be a contributory factor. All of these combined I suspect.

Link to Natural News article here: https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-09-10-claim-hurricane-irma-a-man-made-storm-created-via-weather-weaponization-technology-new-video-released.html

[KiwiElf]

Cross posted on Callista's "Hurricanes..." thread but important here also. Ironic really when global warming advocates claim "human's are responsible for climate change..." perhaps they're right, but not in the way they're thinking...
------------------------------------------------------------
Some disturbing & related info... Hurricane Harvey, followed by Hurricanes Irma, Katia and Jose have all been associated with some sort of "beams" emanating from Antarctica, (Source: US Navy Website).

"US Navy Website Shows Entire Planet Blanketed By Bizarre 'HAARP Anomaly' From Antarctica Including Direct Interaction With Rapidly Intensifying Hurricane Irma"
http://allnewspipeline.com/Indications_Irma_Weather_Warfare.php

(Refer to animated gif composite at link above - sorry, having trouble embedding it here - however, YT videos of the same from the above link)


In the new gif image seen above taken from the US Navy Research Laboratory's MIMIC (Morphed Integrated Microwave Imagery at CIMSS - Total Precipitable Water (MIMIC-TPW) website as shared in the 1st and 2nd videos below, we see a bizarre HAARP anomaly shoot up into the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans from the Antarctic region with 'waves' directly interacting with rapidly intensifying hurricane Irma. Evidence that incoming Hurricane Irma has been 'weaponized'?

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Ability to conjure storms, earthquakes etc. through esoteric rituals linked to astrological events. (Is 9/11 date a coincidence?)

Hurricanes Irma and Harvey: Ritualistic Astrology Used in Geoengineered False Flags?
http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/09/hurricanes-irma-and-harvey-ritualistic-astrology-used-in-geoengineered-false-flags.html

For those who still refuse to believe the reality of weather manipulation technology are encouraged to read the article at the following link as an introduction to the topic:

The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction: “Owning the Weather” for Military Use
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ultimate-weapon-of-mass-destruction-owning-the-weather-for-military-use-2/5306386

And finally,
175 U.S. Patents Prove Geoengineering and Weather Control Technologies are Real... This full list is cited from GeoengineeringWatch.com:

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/links-to-geoengineering-patents/

Keep your eyes on what happens with Jose...

[Foxie Loxie]

It goes without saying that no one will ever admit to causing such catastrophies....think of all the lawsuits that would be filed! It looks like the entire state of FL was leveled, so to speak. Awful! :facepalm:

[Tintin]

Cross posted on Callista's "Hurricanes..." thread but important here also. Ironic really when global warming advocates claim "human's are responsible for climate change..." perhaps they're right, but not in the way they're thinking...
------------------------------------------------------------
Some disturbing & related info... Hurricane Harvey, followed by Hurricanes Irma, Katia and Jose have all been associated with some sort of "beams" emanating from Antarctica, (Source: US Navy Website).

"US Navy Website Shows Entire Planet Blanketed By Bizarre 'HAARP Anomaly' From Antarctica Including Direct Interaction With Rapidly Intensifying Hurricane Irma"
http://allnewspipeline.com/Indications_Irma_Weather_Warfare.php

(Refer to animated gif composite at link above - sorry, having trouble embedding it here - however, YT videos of the same from the above link)


In the new gif image seen above taken from the US Navy Research Laboratory's MIMIC (Morphed Integrated Microwave Imagery at CIMSS - Total Precipitable Water (MIMIC-TPW) website as shared in the 1st and 2nd videos below, we see a bizarre HAARP anomaly shoot up into the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans from the Antarctic region with 'waves' directly interacting with rapidly intensifying hurricane Irma. Evidence that incoming Hurricane Irma has been 'weaponized'?

xfDdgc1_miQ

hCvCY5Whlvs

lYTpxOvRqGo


Ability to conjure storms, earthquakes etc. through esoteric rituals linked to astrological events. (Is 9/11 date a coincidence?)

Hurricanes Irma and Harvey: Ritualistic Astrology Used in Geoengineered False Flags?
http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/09/hurricanes-irma-and-harvey-ritualistic-astrology-used-in-geoengineered-false-flags.html

For those who still refuse to believe the reality of weather manipulation technology are encouraged to read the article at the following link as an introduction to the topic:

The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction: “Owning the Weather” for Military Use
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ultimate-weapon-of-mass-destruction-owning-the-weather-for-military-use-2/5306386

And finally,
175 U.S. Patents Prove Geoengineering and Weather Control Technologies are Real... This full list is cited from GeoengineeringWatch.com:

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/links-to-geoengineering-patents/

Keep your eyes on what happens with Jose...

Are we expecting another one at any time after Jose? (TPTB tend to do things in threes so, perhaps not.) It'll likely begin with the letter 'K' if there is another in train, to keep the initials sequence going.......

[KiwiElf]

If we assume that these hurricanes ARE being "enhanced" for lack of a better word, then YES; there will be more until "they" get what they want (whatever that is). :sherlock:

Timing wise, interesting that these "events" have ramped up since Trump pulled out of the Paris Climate Accords... the whole climate change scam isn't going anywhere without America's involvement. Trump's spoiling "their" little multi-trillion dollar scam. Also note that so far, the states that have been hit are all red states. Both of Trump's mansions in the Carribean were some of the first to be hit by Irma. (Not to mention the devastating economic & humanitarian toll to the US which is already broke to the tune of Trillions of dollars and another debt ceiling increase) :silent:

The Cabal are psychopaths; they don't give a damn about wiping out a few major cities, countries and millions of people if necessary, to get what they want...)

And what if Jose does grow to enormous size and continues up the East Coast between Florida and New York, as I believe it will. The hovering followed by a loop-de-loop movement of Jose atm are comical if they weren't so dangerous.

Even the "mainstream" weather forecasters are beginning to announce what Jose might do... (and if I was living up the East Coast between Florida & New York, I'd at least be gassing up the car, getting supplies, and making a plan to get out NOW):bigsmile:

At the time I write this, here's Ventusky's forecast (it'll change daily - keep watching...)

This one is NOW - Jose is a relatively harmless spiral wayyy off to the right of Florida, hovering there as it has been for a few days.(Click to enlarge)
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And here's the projection of Jose on the 19th - yup, it's the big swirly black purple red mass off to the right & below Charlotte/New York. The sheer size should be a concern (roughly 4x the size of Irma) BTW - these are all originating from the left of Sth Africa, and as the above video's seem to demonstrate, they get "interfered" with. This is global, it's not just the US. (refer to the "Weird wild weather..." thread which has been running for over a year):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92384-Weird-wild-weather-floods-freak-storms-giant-hail-record-lows-all-over-the-world

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All to create the illusion that man-made climate change is to blame & that Trump was wrong? (Just look at the backlash he's getting already, as if it's his fault)

Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not. ;)

[RunningDeer]

Are we expecting another one at any time after Jose? (TPTB tend to do things in threes so, perhaps not.) It'll likely begin with the letter 'K' if there is another in train, to keep the initials sequence going.......

The names of hurricanes and tropical storms are alphabetical and the names are cycled through.




Have you ever wondered how hurricanes get their names?

You probably already know they go in alphabetical order, but it's a little more structured than just that.

The World Meteorological Organization, which is in charge of assigning names to hurricanes and tropical storms, has six lists that they cycle through. (In other words, you'll see 2014's list again in 2020.) They've been using this system since 1953.

The WMO looks for short, distinctive names when choosing new ones for their lists. A new one must be chosen if a name is "retired" -- that is, if a storm is so destructive or deadly that it would be insensitive to continue to use the name.

[article (http://6abc.com/weather/see-if-your-name-is-going-to-be-used-for-a-tropical-storm-this-year/702699/)]

{snip}

"H" names
Harvey (2017)
Helene (2018)
Humberto (2019)
Hanna (2020)
Henri (2021)
Hermine (2022)

"I" names
Irma (2017)
Isaac (2018)
Imelda (2019)
Isaias (2020)
Ida (2021)
Ian(2022)

"J" names
Jose (2017)
Joyce (2018)
Jerry (2019)
Josephine (2020)
Julian (2021)
Julia (2022)

"K" names
Katia (2017)
Kirk (2018)
Karen (2019)
Kyle (2020)
Kate (2021)
Karl(2022)

"L" names
Lee (2017)
Leslie (2018)
Lorenzo (2019)
Laura (2020)
Larry (2021)
Lisa (2022)

{snip}

[thunder24]

6tPOysgE_lA WeatherWar101 youtube channel

this guy does a good job of explaining evaporation and how they are shooting vapor into sky before storms... check it out...

[Tintin]

Are we expecting another one at any time after Jose? (TPTB tend to do things in threes so, perhaps not.) It'll likely begin with the letter 'K' if there is another in train, to keep the initials sequence going.......

The names of hurricanes and tropical storms are alphabetical and the names are cycled through.



Thanks Running Deer. I thought so, but couldn't be certain. So, all eyes on Katia then, in a manner of speaking. :bigsmile:

[KiwiElf]

Ummm Katia's gone ;)... maybe a "L"? :)

[Tyy1907]

The news anchor pulls on the reigns a bit
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[avid]

Who benefits from this disastrous mess? The oil industry, real estate 'clearances', removing those too poor to be 'back home' to camps....? This absolutely stinks. Please feel free to add more reasons the 'greedsters' proliferate this vile chaos. US Navy firing haarp-type stuff from Antarctica is believable, to mess with the hurricanes. Why not turn them away? Soooo sorry for Mr Branson's Necker Island, but damage superficial, underground safety assured there. Will be fixed in record time....🙄

[KiwiElf]

Who benefits from this disastrous mess? The oil industry, real estate 'clearances', removing those too poor to be 'back home' to camps....? This absolutely stinks. Please feel free to add more reasons the 'greedsters' proliferate this vile chaos. US Navy firing haarp-type stuff from Antarctica is believable, to mess with the hurricanes. Why not turn them away? Soooo sorry for Mr Branson's Necker Island, but damage superficial, underground safety assured there. Will be fixed in record time....🙄

Everyone but US Avid... we, the people

A destroyed home, soaring food, insurance & resource costs and ever increasingly dangerous weather are powerful persuaders...

[Tintin]

Ummm Katia's gone ;)... maybe a "L"? :)

Maybe :bigsmile: Interesting to see that hurricane Erin is still 'active'. Remember? That was the hurricane off the coast (or more accurately, was veered off coast 200 miles or so away from Long Island, NY) on or shortly before the morning of 9/11.(See Dr Judy Wood, and the National Hurricane site.) Due to make another appearance in 2019 according to the list that RunningDeer has shared above.

[neutronstar]

Who benefits from this disastrous mess? The oil industry, real estate 'clearances', removing those too poor to be 'back home' to camps....? This absolutely stinks. Please feel free to add more reasons the 'greedsters' proliferate this vile chaos. US Navy firing haarp-type stuff from Antarctica is believable, to mess with the hurricanes. Why not turn them away? Soooo sorry for Mr Branson's Necker Island, but damage superficial, underground safety assured there. Will be fixed in record time....🙄

I was just at the gym and I caught a headline on CNN. It's time to talk climate change Trump. Trump pulls out of the climate accord and we haven't had a hurricane hit the US in almost 10 years and now within a 2 weeks we get hit by 2 cat4. They could be just taking advantage of the situation or they decided to create the situation. I kinda think the later.

[KiwiElf]

Ummm Katia's gone ;)... maybe a "L"? :)

Maybe :bigsmile: Interesting to see that hurricane Erin is still 'active'. Remember? That was the hurricane off the coast (or more accurately, was veered off coast 200 miles or so away from Long Island, NY) on or shortly before the morning of 9/11.(See Dr Judy Wood, and the National Hurricane site.) Due to make another appearance in 2019 according to the list that RunningDeer has shared above.

Looks like the next ones may be:

Lee, Maria, Nate, Ophelia, Philippe, Rina, Sean, Tammy, Vince, Whitney :bigsmile:
Source (scroll down a bit): https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/atlantic/jose-2017

Yes, I do remember... also that it mysteriously fizzled out shortly after the attacks. Similar "technology" being deployed in both I wonder?

[KiwiElf]

Who benefits from this disastrous mess? The oil industry, real estate 'clearances', removing those too poor to be 'back home' to camps....? This absolutely stinks. Please feel free to add more reasons the 'greedsters' proliferate this vile chaos. US Navy firing haarp-type stuff from Antarctica is believable, to mess with the hurricanes. Why not turn them away? Soooo sorry for Mr Branson's Necker Island, but damage superficial, underground safety assured there. Will be fixed in record time....🙄

I was just at the gym and I caught a headline on CNN. It's time to talk climate change Trump. Trump pulls out of the climate accord and we haven't had a hurricane hit the US in almost 10 years and now within a 2 weeks we get hit by 2 cat4. They could be just taking advantage of the situation or they decided to create the situation. I kinda think the later.

See my above post #10... ;)

Looks like we're not alone in that thought (there was an updated article to this one - more at the link below);

Harvey and Irma: “Shock and Awe” of Weather Warfare Against the American Republic

Monday, September 4, 2017 4:37
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2017/09/harvey-irma-shock-and-awe-of-weather-warfare-against-the-american-republic-2937880.html?currentSplittedPage=0
(Before It's News)

THE MILLENNIUM REPORT: Reporting the Most Important News in the World Today

First HARVEY, Then IRMA — What’s really going on with these superstorms?

Hurricane Irma’s current track
Hurricane Harvey’s project path showed it hitting southern Mexico; the geoengineers steered it to the central Texas coastline.
NWO Cabal Uses HARVEY & IRMA to Promote Global Climate Change Scam

Cosmic Convergence Research Group
Will a one-two punch hit America in the aftermath of the solar eclipse?
Those of US who understand the highly inauspicious aspects associated with a total solar eclipse, especially when it crosses directly overhead as one did over the USA on Monday, August 21st, are not at all surprised by the calamitous superstorm HARVEY.
Nor are we surprised that another hurricane — IRMA — quickly organized in the Atlantic and is already a Category 3 on the way to becoming a Cat 4.

Special Note:
Given the state of the art of weather modification, climate engineering and weather weaponization, it’s now quite simple for the geoengineers to hijack a small fledgling storm brewing in the Atlantic Ocean or Gulf of Mexico and methodically intensify it into a massive powerful superstorm. This is exactly what the geoengineers did during the hurricane season of 2005 with Hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Wilma. That’s not to say that all hurricanes are geoengineered; however, those that possess the telltale signatures of artificial manipulation are very easy to spot. This link contains incriminating satellite imagery that conclusively demonstrates the fabrication of a 2015 superstorm in Texas:

TEXAS FLOODS: A Geoengineered Weather Event Using Chemtrails And HAARP
Global Climate Change & the Paris Climate Agreement

President Donald Trump has made many moves which have irked the NWO globalist cabal. (NWO = New World Order)

Of all the presidential decisions that Trump has made this year, pulling the United States out of the Paris Agreement is by far the most consequential. It’s also the one that has triggered the countless agents of Deep State. From the East Coast intelligentsia to lawyer-lobbyists inside the Beltway, from the Sultans of Silicon Valley to the Hollywood moguls, wealthy elites everywhere are up in arms. The UN and EU bureaucrats who concocted the agreement under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Changeare especially riled up.

The fraudulently obtained Paris Agreement had been fastidiously pieced together after decades of political corruption and governmental coercion at the highest levels. Because this international accord uses the “Global Climate Change due to Human-generated CO2″ argument as the basis for its existence, the degree of scientific fraud necessary to support this bogus claim is unparalleled.

KEY POINT: The planetary boogeyman now known as Global Climate Change (GCC) was quite purposefully planned over many decades by the globalists. Global Climate Change does have a human activity component, mind you; but it’s not human CO2 production. The primary anthropogenic component of the most recent stretch of Global Warming is unequivocally worldwide geoengineering. Geoengineering Is The Primary Cause Of Global Climate Change, Not CO2

The preceding link clearly spells out the direct causation between the pervasive utilization of both chemical geoengineering and HAARP technology, and Global Climate Change. Not only is GCC mostly manmade, it’s being systematically manufactured as an integral piece of the control mechanism (i.e. One World Government) to be imposed on the entire planetary civilization. One World Government Initially Emerging As Global CO2 ‘Management’ Regime

One World Government

This is where the nationalist POTUS really got himself in trouble. By formally submitting the U.S. intent to withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord, Trump has essentially blown up the whole NWO agenda, and particularly the One World Government project. Of course, the patriot movement absolutely loved this executive decision as it truly protected the nation and its citizenry.

It is the establishment of a One World Government (OWG) that is the centerpiece of the globalist enterprise to create a global totalitarian superstate that is all-powerful and all-controlling. And it was the bogus GCC scheme that was conceived so the ruling cabal could foist this new autocratic regime on the world community of nations. The tyrannical European Union provides a very good model of where the OWG initiative is going.

Only in this way can the globalists effectively own, and operate on, every square inch of planet Earth. By unlawfully arrogating extraordinary powers to their future One World Government, the controllers hope to exercise complete authority over the weather and natural resources of the whole world. As follows:

NWO Cabal Pursues Total Dominion Over The Earth’s Weather And Natural Resources

While this power-grabbing maneuver will permit the NWO cabal to dictate to every nation, it cannot be completed without the full support of the U.S. government. Because the USA is the de facto global policeman, this plot for total world domination cannot proceed without the total cooperation from the Trump administration. That’s because: The USA is the Military Arm of the New World Order

HARVEY & IRMA: The Fric & Frac of the Global Climate Change Crowd

Now that Trump is the skunk at the GCC picnic, the ruling cabal will do everything in their power to either remove him from office, or, rain on his parade like never before.

TPTB just did that with HARVEY. It appears they will do it again with Irma. For all anyone knows, the geoengineers may have an assembly line of superstorms on their order sheet from the shadow government. In view of the extreme measures the cabal has taken thus far, it’s quite likely there will be multiple storms targeting the mainland throughout this hurricane season.

HURRICANE HARVEY: The Most Transparently Manipulated Superstorm in U.S. History

There’s nothing more compelling than the “shock and awe” of a string of superstorms hitting major cities or key states. An unaware populace will gladly cede powers, surrender rights and obey new draconian laws in the wake of such a catastrophic deluge like HARVEY.

This is where the globalist really excels at manufacturing consent. They know that 2 or 3 cataclysmic superstorms will sufficiently frighten and soften up enough Americans that they can be stampeded like sheep into a pen of compliance.

KEY POINT: Many of these folks are already totally brainwashed Obamabots, Clintonistas and/or Berniacs. Others are ultra-liberals and leftwing extremists who literally go to CNN for their news. Still others are fake progressives or radical Democrats, dyed-in-the-wool socialists or communist Bolsheviks who go with whatever program they have subscribed to. Then there are the AntiFa terrorists, Black Lives Matter rioters and LGBT mercenaries who strictly follow orders from their George Soros paid handlers. Soros & Company sponsor all the main global warming advocacy groups.

Because there are now so many American sheeple being herded through fear-based social engineering, getting them to demand that the POTUS re-engage the Paris Agreement is a natural byproduct of a one-two punch like HARVEY and IRMA. Even if IRMA does not make landfall in the USA, there will most likely be other major storms coming this season.

Collective PTSD via Weather Warfare and Environmental Terrorism

Once HARVEY completed its mission of totally terrorizing the Texas coast and surrounding environs, it has conditioned the rest of the country to be fearful of monster storms. Event those who do not live near the coastlines have to be wary of the frankenstorms now being fabricated by the geoengineers. HARVEY WAS HOUSTON’S KATRINA & 9/11

In fact, many states throughout the country have experienced devastating mega-thunderstorms and tornadoes (and tornado swarms). With each successive frankenstorm, the victims, as well as their families and friends, develop their own type of PTSD. Why wouldn’t they? Entire communities have been destroyed in the blink of an eye by some of these manufactured storm systems.

The critical point here is that the American people as a whole have become regularly terrorized by this weather warfare. If they themselves have not been victimized, many live the horrific experience vicariously through family and friends. In this way, the body politic can be easily maneuvered into making very bad collective demands of their government.

With this crucial background, it ought to be clear how and why the geoengineers slammed HARVEY into the Texas coast. It will be interesting to see what they ultimately do with IRMA. Even if it fizzles out, the mere threat is serving its purpose for the cabal. Collective PTSD can be a very powerful phenomenon indeed.

The BP Gulf oil spill taught the GOM communities a lot about manmade weapons of mass destruction that are never suspected as being responsible for so many manufactured disasters. There are still many folks on the Gulf who have yet to recover from that definitive act of environmental terrorism. It will likewise take the people of East Texas some serious time to recover and process what just happened to them.

HARVEY & IRMA: The Fric & Frac of the Global Climate Change Crowd

By assaulting the U.S. mainland with these highly destructive and deadly frankenstorms, the power elite send a message to the POTUS that is loud and clear. The U.S. will re-enter the Paris Agreement, or else!

That farcical and coerced international agreement is the very basis of a One World Government that will not be denied the NWO cabal, unless Trump somehow eliminates the prospect for good.

Another message is this: President Trump doesn’t have control over American skies, and he is the Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces. That such a predicament exists is not surprising; that more and more people are becoming aware of this state of affairs is a step in the right direction. Citizens want to know why their president does not have control of the nation’s borders, or the skies, or the water supplies as seen all over California. Hopefully, this perplexing situation will convince Trump of the dire need to forcefully reclaim the sovereignty of the American Republic.

Until then, the nation may have to weather a few more superstorms. With each successive deluge or drought, the American people will eventually wake up to the fact that the once-natural weather patterns and climate trends are all fake…just like so much fake news being generated by the mainstream media (MSM).
Continue reading HERE.

The parallels couldn’t be more timely and climactic. Taking back our weather is every bit as important as taking back our daily news form the MSM via the Alt Media. Sooner or later, both of these plights must be successfully remedied if the USA is to be force for good in the world.

Cosmic Convergence Research Group
September 2, 2017

Editor’s Note

SOTN has researched and written extensively about the various reasons for the geoengineering of Hurricane Harvey. None of these explanations are mutually exclusive, and many of them mutually reinforce each other. Just like the false flag terror attacks on 9/11, the HARVEY black operation has many objectives on different levels. The accomplishment of all of them is vital to the success of NWO agenda.

This article above focused on the Global Climate Change angle because that perspective clearly represents one of the primary motivations for aiming HARVEY at Houston, Galveston and Port Arthur Texas. The Oil & Gas Industry has been a HUGE thorn in the side of those who have perpetrated the GCC hoax (via CO2) on the world-at-large.

Also, just like 9/11, there are those inside traders who knew in advance that energy stocks would get battered by the superstorm effects, so a lot of illegal profit-taking has occurred. Much more significantly, a struggling OPEC stood to gain considerably from this act of weather warfare. The ensuing acts of environmental terrorism in the region have likewise served their purposes.

To read more about the several other goals the globalists plan to achieve with HARVEY, please consult the featured articles below:

Here’s why the globalists geoengineered and aimed HARVEY at Texas.
(sublinks @ original link above)
HARVEY WAS HOUSTON’S KATRINA & 9/11

HURRICANE HARVEY: The Most Transparently Manipulated Superstorm in U.S. History

SUPERSTORM HARVEY: Every dark cloud has a silver lining

HARVEYGEDDON: Who geoengineered it? And why now?

Hurricane Harvey: A Geoengineered Superstorm Targets Texas—WHY?

Addendum
Global Warming: The Secret Back Story

This is what TPTB did. They saw that the planet had entered a period of global warming. This occurred during World War II when they had to track the weather very closely for wartime purposes. The steady warming of the planet paralleled the same period when the Oil & Gas Industry really began to take off and the global population explosion first began. At the time when the data really started to pour in, the warming was just a small campfire … this was early on, right after World War II. Soon after they first made those observations about the slow warming of the planet, the decision was made to turn the campfire into a wildfire. They experimented with HAARP and used Chemtrails and other geoengineering technologies to ramp up the heat. Eventually the wildfire of global warming was stoked sufficiently so that full-blown forest fires, brush fires and grass fires were jumping off anywhere and everywhere. In this way the synthetic component Global Warming was fabricated on top of a very real phase of planetary heating. The next part of their plan is explained below.
(Source: New World Order: Where Geoengineering Via Chemtrails Meets The Global Carbon Control Matrix)

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http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=21797

[witchy1]

Who benefits from this disastrous mess? The oil industry, real estate 'clearances', removing those too poor to be 'back home' to camps....? This absolutely stinks. Please feel free to add more reasons the 'greedsters' proliferate this vile chaos. US Navy firing haarp-type stuff from Antarctica is believable, to mess with the hurricanes. Why not turn them away? Soooo sorry for Mr Branson's Necker Island, but damage superficial, underground safety assured there. Will be fixed in record time....🙄

I think what it does (well what happened in NZ following Christchurch earthquake) was that we allegedly needed to offer employment to many people from other countries.... so that we could rebuild! Well it certainly assisted with mass immigration!

[witchy1]

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[KiwiElf]

Nice find Witchy1 - speaking of which, (ummm no pun intended)... As I write this, check out whats growing between Taipei & Hiroshima, Japan... Japan next? Yesterday, this one was headed for China - it changed course for Japan and is getting bigger, MUCH bigger

[Noelle]

Woke up this morning to a sky that seemed cloudless. Then, after waking up a little more, I saw 4-5 trails to the east and another 2-3 to the west. Went outside an hour later, and amazingly the sky is filled with clouds. See photos. Cloud seeding or aerosoling, I don't know which one it is. If it's cloud seeding, why? The Space Coast does not need anymore rain. We got 12+ inches from Hurricane Irma and another 2-3 inches in the days after the storm.

[KiwiElf]

Are they trying to tell us something?

New movie, "Geostorm" (Oct 2017 release)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1981128/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_6

Plot


When catastrophic climate change endangers Earth’s very survival, world governments unite and create the Dutch Boy Program: a world wide net of satellites, surrounding the planet, that are armed with geoengineering technologies designed to stave off the natural disasters. After successfully protecting the planet for two years, something is starting to go wrong. Two estranged brothers are tasked with solving the program’s malfunction before a world wide Geostorm can engulf the planet.

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[Noelle]

Here is a short video (just under 15 mins.) that covers early weather manipulation efforts in the USA. Called "The Real Reason Weather is Manipulated," it discusses Kurt and Bernard Vonnegut, General Electric, Dr. Irving Langmuir, Project Cirrus/hurricane seeding and more.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG_hokz-qGM&feature=youtu.be

[Foxie Loxie]

What a gem of a find, LadyM!! I take it somebody has it IN for the USA then....I wonder why?? Makes me wonder how many "factions" are warring with each other using the weather! Kind of scary when one realizes that the majority of people refuse to even acknowledge that such a weapon is already in use! It was MOST interesting to learn of the hurricane that was seeded & ended up in Savannah! Guess no one would EVER admit to controlling the weather because of the lawsuits, right?! ;)

[Noelle]

What a gem of a find, LadyM!! I take it somebody has it IN for the USA then....I wonder why??

The way I see it, and I could be wrong, the military industrial complex probably bloated and promoted "the enemy is going to get us by using weather as a weapon" to justify its own weather manipulation programs, to get cooperation or consent.

[Foxie Loxie]

LadyM...my question was rhetorical! Big joke, right?!! One cannot read another's expressions communicating via internet, right?! :Angel:

[Noelle]

LadyM...my question was rhetorical! Big joke, right?!! One cannot read another's expressions communicating via internet, right?! :Angel:

Oops. Sorry. Good thing I did not ramble on and on about it. :facepalm:

[KiwiElf]

What a gem of a find, LadyM!! I take it somebody has it IN for the USA then....I wonder why?? Makes me wonder how many "factions" are warring with each other using the weather! Kind of scary when one realizes that the majority of people refuse to even acknowledge that such a weapon is already in use! It was MOST interesting to learn of the hurricane that was seeded & ended up in Savannah! Guess no one would EVER admit to controlling the weather because of the lawsuits, right?! ;)

So "they" can globally fleece tax payers into paying a carbon tax - a trillion dollar scam, which will fix nothing - all under the guise of climate change ;). I firmly believe it was as much an attack on Trump (for pulling out of the Paris climate accords) because without America's "contribution & support", the whole house of cards collapses :). (See post @ top # 21) Lawsuits? Oh yes! Bring 'em on! :)

[KiwiElf]

Here we go again - more "weather wars"? Images & video at link

Hurricane Ophelia: Ireland braces for worst Atlantic storm in almost 60 years

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/hurricane-ophelia-ireland-braces-storm-sixty-years-met-eireann-a8000971.html

Ireland is bracing itself for what could be the worst storm since 1961, according to Met Éireann, the country’s national meteorological service.

Hurricane Ophelia, which is currently south-west of the Azores islands near Portugal, 2,500km away from Ireland, is expected to hit the country’s west coast on Monday.

By this time, it will have lost its hurricane status but will still be a powerful storm. Areas including Cork, Kerry, Clare and Galway & Mayo are set to see wind speeds in excess of 130kmh (80mph).
Read more

Ireland issues highest possible 'status red' weather warning
Hurricane Ophelia reaches 100mph winds as it approaches UK
Tracker shows where Hurricane Ophelia is set to hit

The Irish meteorological service has issued its highest possible "status red" warning ahead of the arrival of Ophelia.

It is feared large waves may lead to flooding in coastal areas.

The tropical storm is currently making its way across the Atlantic as a category 1 hurricane with winds of up to 100mph.


A Met Éireann spokesperson told The Independent the storm could cause as much damage as Hurricane Debbie, a 1961 storm which killed 16 people in the Republic of Ireland and two people in Northern Ireland.

“The tail end of hurricanes often affect Britain and Ireland, but usually, by the time they reach us they will have lost most of their power,” the spokesperson said.

“We’ve had a very active hurricane season, but the remains of Hurricanes Maria and José passed us by harmlessly, as is usually the case.

“But Ophelia is unusual because hurricanes would usually come from America or the Caribbean, whereas this one is coming from the southwest, below the Azores.

“It’s worth noting that Hurricane Debbie also came from this unusual direction and source region.”

Damage to properties, infrastructure and the agricultural sector from Hurricane Debbie cost as much as £37m, according to meteorologists Kieran Hickey and Christina Connolly-Johnson.

This Atlantic hurricane season has produced 15 named storms, the most since the late 19th century, resulting in more than £200bn worth of damage.

The weather front will have lost most of its power over the sea before making landfall in the British Isles, although Cornwall, Devon and Dorset can expect some disruption, according to the UK Met Office.

[KiwiElf]

Powerful Hurricane Ophelia heads toward Ireland

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/14/europe/hurricane-ophelia/index.html

Article updated 1-hour ago - has now reached Cat 3 and is "record Setting"! full article & videos etc @ link

Powerful Hurricane Ophelia heads toward Ireland

By Steve Almasy, CNN

Updated 0136 GMT (0936 HKT) October 15, 2017


Hurricane Ophelia is a Category 3 storm.
It is a fast-moving storm that is farther east than any other major hurricane

(CNN)Record-setting Ophelia, a Category 3 hurricane with sustained winds of 185 kilometers per hour (115 mph), was passing south of the Azores on Saturday on its path toward Ireland.
Ophelia will have big impacts for the British Isles beginning Monday, including hurricane-force winds forecast for Ireland.

The fast-moving storm intensified Saturday.
"The odd part about Ophelia is seeing this intensification take place in what's normally a much cooler region of the Atlantic Ocean," CNN Meteorologist Allison Chinchar said.
Little change in strength is expected Saturday, the US National Hurricane Center said.
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Related Stories at link:

[Noelle]

Powerful Hurricane Ophelia heads toward Ireland

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/14/europe/hurricane-ophelia/index.html

Article updated 1-hour ago - has now reached Cat 3 and is "record Setting"! full article & videos etc @ link

Powerful Hurricane Ophelia heads toward Ireland

By Steve Almasy, CNN

Updated 0136 GMT (0936 HKT) October 15, 2017


Hurricane Ophelia is a Category 3 storm.
It is a fast-moving storm that is farther east than any other major hurricane

(CNN)Record-setting Ophelia, a Category 3 hurricane with sustained winds of 185 kilometers per hour (115 mph), was passing south of the Azores on Saturday on its path toward Ireland.
Ophelia will have big impacts for the British Isles beginning Monday, including hurricane-force winds forecast for Ireland.

The fast-moving storm intensified Saturday.
"The odd part about Ophelia is seeing this intensification take place in what's normally a much cooler region of the Atlantic Ocean," CNN Meteorologist Allison Chinchar said.
Little change in strength is expected Saturday, the US National Hurricane Center said.
_________________________________________________________________________
Related Stories at link:

Thanks for your post. I posted something tonight about Ophelia in the Harvey, Irma, Maria (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99516-Hurricanes-Harvey...-Irma...-Jos--...-Maria.../page18) thread. Patrick Riddie at Stop Spraying Us sees electromagnetic or acoustic ripples near Ophelia.

[KiwiElf]

Have to admit, I wasn't quite sure where to put it. Ireland & the UK? this is getting "unbelievable". That's about as crazy as it snowing in my neck of the world! :)

[Noelle]

I know...unbelievable! All these natural disasters seem to be unprecedented in one way or another.

[gnostic9]

A brief history of geoengineering, and a focus on ground based cloud forming stations. Very interesting video, may 24/2017. Published by, aplanetruth.info



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtcVlqocaZw

[Noelle]

Thanks for posting the video. I'm really trying to dig into this -- to understand the technologies that might be involved and the who, how and when with the trails in the sky.

A few days ago, I started trying to track aviation activity in my area using a couple of apps, FlightAware (https://flightaware.com/) and Flightradar24 (https://www.flightradar24.com). So far, it's been tricky because the trails always seem to be created when I am not on the apps.

Last night, I was tracking a couple of planes going from Orlando to Kentucky on FlightAware and saw what I believe are the NEXRAD frequency bursts, though I've seen other explanations for them. I've include two images of the weather radar map: the first, while the plane is in north Florida and the second, upon landing.

Looking forward to watching the video to learn more about it.

PS - Should this thread be merged with the Weaponising the weather (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99671-Weaponising-the-Weather&highlight=weather+warfare) thread?

[Omni]

Chemtrail shots from August here in Oregon:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DM7UHJKVQAA2ya5.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DM7UIQSVAAAML48.jpg

[Noelle]

A brief history of geoengineering, and a focus on ground based cloud forming stations. Very interesting video, may 24/2017. Published by, aplanetruth.info

Overall, I thought this video was good, in that it offered information that really has not been focused on enough by the other anti-geoengineering people, like Dane Wigington at GeoengineeringWatch and Patrick Riddie at Stop Spraying Us, specifically the cooling towers and how and what they contribute to the unnatural weather as well as the role of weather radar, such as NEXRAD.

The video relied a lot on WeatherWar101's YouTube presentations, which I started to watch yesterday. WeatherWar101 has a video on its channel, which I have not watched yet, titled Hurricane Maria: Mike Adams – Dane Wigington Interview Fraud. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9SCtQqyoL4) Aplanetruth's video does not put Dane in the best of lights, either. :confused:

[Sophocles]

When the sky is not the limit :)

STEALING THEIR THUNDER:
Iranian general bizarrely accuses Israel of ‘stealing its CLOUDS’ to cause a crippling drought (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/6686050/iranian-general-accuses-israel-stealing-clouds/)

Brigadier General Gholam Reza Jalali made the sensational claims, alleging there was scientific evidence to back it up

Thesun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/6686050/iranian-general-accuses-israel-stealing-clouds/)
By Bradley Jolly 3rd July 2018

IRAN has sensationally claimed Israel has been "stealing its clouds" to cause a drought.

Brigadier General Gholam Reza Jalali, head of Iran’s Civil Defence Organisation, suggested on Monday science proves Israel is guilty of "cloud theft".

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/NINTCHDBPICT000417869241.jpg?w=960http://
Brigadier General Gholam Reza Jalali is head of Iran’s Civil Defence Organisation

Speaking at a press conference, he said: "Israel and another country in the region have joint teams which work to ensure clouds entering Iranian skies are unable to release rain.

"On top of that, we are facing the issue of cloud and snow theft.

"The changing climate in Iran is suspect. Foreign interference is suspected to have played a role in climate change."

It comes just weeks after China unveiled audacious plans to build a powerful machine (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6446884/china-radar-control-weather-trigger-natural-disasters/) that will reportedly be able to "control the weather".

Full article (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/6686050/iranian-general-accuses-israel-stealing-clouds/)

[Cidersomerset]

Not sure where to post this but interesting if proven to be the case...

https://static.bbc.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.22.55/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

Ozone hole mystery: China insulating chemical said to be source of rise

By Matt McGrath
Environment correspondent
9 July 2018

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/9EDF/production/_102417604_e1000208-ozone_hole_2000-spl.jpg
The ozone hole over Antarctica in the year 2000

Cut-price Chinese home insulation is being blamed for a massive rise in emissions of a gas,
highly damaging to the Earth's protective ozone layer. The Environmental Investigations
Agency (EIA) found widespread use of CFC-11 in China, even though the chemical was fully
banned back in 2010. Scientists have been extremely puzzled by the mysterious rise in emissions.
But this report suggests the key source is China's home construction industry. Just two months
ago, researchers published a study showing that the expected decline in the use of CFC-11 after
it was completely banned eight years ago had slowed to a crawl.

There were suspicions among researchers that new supplies were being made somewhere in East
Asia. Rumours were rife as to the source. There was a concern among some experts that the chemical
was being used to secretly enrich uranium for use in nuclear weapons. The reality it seems is more
about insulation than proliferation. CFC-11 makes a very efficient "blowing agent" for polyurethane
foam, helping it to expand into rigid thermal insulation that's used in houses to cut energy bills and
reduce carbon emissions.

Researchers from the EIA, a green campaign group, contacted foam manufacturing factories in 10
different provinces across China. From their detailed discussions with executives in 18 companies,
the investigators concluded that the chemical is used in the majority of the polyurethane insulation
the firms produce. One seller of CFC-11 estimated that 70% of China's domestic sales used the illegal
gas. The reason is quite simple - CFC-11 is better quality and much cheaper than the alternatives.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/ECFF/production/_102417606_eia_cfc11_report_012.jpg
Barrels of chemicals seen by investigators in China which contain CFC-11

The authorities have banned CFC-11 but enforcement of the regulation is poor. "We were absolutely
gobsmacked to find that companies very openly confirmed using CFC-11 while acknowledging it was
illegal," Avipsa Mahapatra from EIA told BBC News.

Read More....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44738952

[waves]

?????????????????????????????????
WTF are all these fires and loss of homes meant to accomplish???

https://s33.postimg.cc/i4eo6lvwf/active_fires_7-28-18.jpg

What does it matter to take out 1000's of homes of hard working innocent families here and there in Western US???

It's still few compared to the rest of millions of homes and people spread out everywhere.

It's not in big money's best interest to destroy the economies of the whole western US.

Is it really to have examples of their 2030 housing vision launched in these scattered locations? The 5,300 people who lost homes in Santa Rosa are not being forced to rebuild according to those stack and pack agenda guidelines.

Can't be just target practice..... can it???
Or is it the start of destroying millions of lives and livelihoods???
Or what???
WHY WHY WHY???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79dxcjuzP6k&ab_channel=aplanetruth.info


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GNRSHx2Yrk&ab_channel=neverlosetruth


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4-tdCP_3FY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=4GNRSHx2Yrk&ab_channel=neverlosetruth


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSJtL0otm94

[Bo Atkinson]

My guess is this overwhelms all sensibility of people as the world is maliciously governed by men of free will. It lends support to pessimistic deductions, of man's hate and repulsion of fellow man and to doubt and hate of possible unity.

https://www.aircrap.org/2018/07/28/california-greece-targeted-with-dew-directed-energy-weapons-fires-engineered-floods/
California – Greece Targeted With DEW – Directed Energy Weapons – Fires – Engineered Floods

Computer accurate construction and Tesla's various technologies seemed to offer so many good opportunities for the world, but here we get the opposite. Computer accurate destruction sadistically executed, for others to journalize. Or what is going on here? This video has some of the most compelling videography:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smDsWOrrpY0

[Bo Atkinson]

Here is a fitting explanation in my search to understand the warped demise of earth. I feel the following excerpt describes arch-villains, variously reported in PA posts, with designations like satanists, archons, velons, etc.. I clipped this excerpt to avoid many specialized terms used in hylozoics. While we are informed here, that the good among us, who work to heal the world, deserve to well understand, what such a mission involves. Keep on trucking.


In systems of the first degree, there are many monads that for some reasons (we have never been informed as to what they are, and an esoterician never speculates) have acquired the repulsive basic tendency, a defiant attitude to the surrounding world, which makes it all but impossible to acquire the qualities of attraction (striving after unity with everything, which is a condition of the frictionless process of evolution). They not just counteract their own development but are also hindrances to other monads, those of the attractive basic tendency. It became necessary to gather these to a planet of their own when the solar system was formed. And our planet is an experiment in a large scale with these lovable beings. That is also the reason why we too have been endowed with organisms; in these the better to have the gruesome experiences that apparently are necessary to teach the monads to apply the laws of life purposefully, the law of unity in particular. In their total life ignorance they accuse life of the hell they have made themselves, a matter of course with these self-glorious, all-knowing creatures.

This file http://www.laurency.com/L2e/kl2_2.pdf is the most absorbing book for me, while reading all the books offerred. Or each book has riveted me to the larger subjects presented. The most comprehensive overview and inner view and far beyond anything, in 50 years of my practical searching, for knowledge.

PS- The term 'Monad' is widely described as the actual self, which apparently is not to be confused with the incarnated selves, or personalities, involving many kinds of selves which humans have identified, as their own. Hylozoics calls these incarnate selves: 'envelopes'. We are beings sending these envelopes through life experience, filling up with all sorts of experience. Even confusing ourselves to the limit, all to expand our awarenesses of life. We have quite a bargain here on earth and cataclysms provide an intensive atmosphere, to work these for the best.

~bo

[Michelle Marie]

I was looking into this yesterday. It's a big learning curve.

It seems that there are some groups who have stolen and abused patents and technologies and put them to destructive, rather than constructive, use. These are the ones who demonstrate behaviorally their lack of respect and love for life, and instead are motivated by greed and selfishness.

They are using these technologies to acquire and control land and resources. This also has to do with skirting immigration laws and giving away land and resources that is really not theirs to give. It's grand theft of land and resources.

Through their plots and activities, they are causing destruction and wreaking havoc in an untold number of lives. The documentation of this can be found in patents, technologies, and laws that support their agendas (from the corruption of governments).

Here are some videos I found as part of my initial research.

Fires, DEWs, Smart Meters
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=juNrxb2--Bg

Interview with Firefighter CA fires
Unnatural phenomenon--DEWs only plausible explanation
Aware of Agenda 21
ZWvuPcurB6Q

__________
June 2018
CA Fires, Lies, DEWs, Agenda 21
qNOw8k_Uyx0
purpose: Turning off power to start space-based power from above

This is a good one. He goes into names and how they are carrying out their agendas.

"EB-5 Visas are granted to foreigners who make investments of $500,000 in areas of high unemployment, $1 Million everywhere else in exchange for 10 full-time jobs for every million dollars invested."

@21:02 mark
Read more...

People tied to Clintons, & others of their ilk...
Lennar Corporation, FEMA,
The connections will become clear the more we research.

July 27, 2018
Geoengineered Genocide
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=79dxcjuzP6k
_________

MM

PS. I was scheduled to go to Redding yesterday to the Dane Wigington event, but it was cancelled due to fire evacuations.

***There are people doing boots on the ground research in the locations where this stuff is happening. They report the plans, patents, nature of the fires, and the after effects of dealing with local government, insurance companies, and other involved organizations. This is beyond speculation or opinion. This is about evidence, experience, and documentation.

Patent research spells out a lot of the details.

[Bill Ryan]

I have to say, on balance I don't think there's any (DEW) Directed Energy Weaponry being deployed here — as in to deliberately start major fires, etc.

I think it's a matter of wildly oscillating weather extremes, with a mini ice age on its way.

Useful and interesting may be a video posted on the Weird, wild weather: floods, freak storms, giant hail, record lows, all over the world (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92384-Weird-wild-weather-floods-freak-storms-giant-hail-record-lows-all-over-the-world) thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92384-Weird-wild-weather-floods-freak-storms-giant-hail-record-lows-all-over-the-world&p=1223574&viewfull=1#post1223574):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwuO4cXghBo
...which compares the current situation with the 'Little Ice Age' of medieval times. It's a pretty good fit.

Paradoxically — but all part of the pattern — they had some crazy-hot summers in the middle of that, too. The ONLY 'pattern' here may be one of increasing instability, with the deeper trends only visible over periods of quite a few years (maybe decades) at a time.

[Cardillac]

@Bill

"I think it's a matter of wildly oscillating weather extremes, with a mini ice age on its way"

all I can say to this is we here in SW Germany are experiencing a long drought with alomost record heat temperatures and the longest drought for a long time;

therefore "climate change"; I wouldn't doubt for a second that there are long periods of heat counterbalanced with cooler periods;

what bothers me the most is when certain factions try to politize the weather!

Larry

[amor]

At the above video Dane Wiggington "GeoengineeringWatch.org," I spotted something you should all see. At 39:58/55 and 26/55, The Sun is in the photo and to the Right of the Sun is the outline of a Planet in Purple and Red in the second frame. The Sun is one and one-half inch and the Planet is one and three-quarters of an inch in the other. The planet is clearest in the 29:58/55 picture.

Now, in listening to the radio 58 hours ago, there was a report that the Sun Over Russia Went Out For Three Hours in an area the size of Great Britain. Only one explanation for that folks. A large planet obscured the sun in Russia just at that time Is this another or the real reason for the Chemtrail Clouds?

[ghostrider]

weather extremes are affecting the entire globe... places that don't need rain are flooded, places that do are dry and on fire ... A mini ice age is coming , Europe will be hit the hardest ... had a weather event in my city yesterday , never seen in my lifetime ... july in my home state is always hot and dry , 92-95 at night 100 plus during the day with absolutely no breeze , except this day it was 60ish with a cool breeze at around 4 pm ... 53 years of summers , never seen that , never ... something is broken , jet stream , earth's rotation/tilt/orbit , something is wrong ...

[uzn]

?????????????????????????????????
WTF are all these fires and loss of homes meant to accomplish???



Woodfires are a normal cycle of life. The bad thing happens when humans prevent them for to long, then the really big ones will eventually come.

[Foxie Loxie]

amor....I must confess, when reading about the black out in Russia I too, immediately began to think about "What could be blocking the light?"

My thoughts went to a huge UFO; I didn't think about a planet....one just has to continue to connect the dots. In his book on the Rings of Saturn, Norm Begrum speaks of ships being 2,000 ft. long....whaaaaat?! ;)






Note from Bill: 2,000 miles, Bergrun said... I think we'd notice one of those! :)


Thanks, Bill....I did mean miles, but wrote feet! :idea:

[pyrangello]

On Russia - 7/31/2018: The wobble has gotten more extreme, as has been depicted by Crop Circle designs during the past couple months. The daily Figure 8 includes a Polar Push against the magnetic N Pole of Earth, which currently resides over eastern Siberia, and then tilts to the right and left before the globe tries to right itself by a bounce back. All aspects of the Daily Wobble have gotten more extreme, but the Polar Push is responsible for the extraordinary hours of darkness, pitch dark at high noon in eastern Siberia, as well as the extraordinary heat in northern Africa.

During the Polar Push, the magnetic N Pole of Earth is given a shove by the magnetic N Pole of Nibiru, as magnets desire to align end to end and resist having their N Poles touch. This shove pushes eastern Siberia away from the light of the Sun, and simultaneously changes the latitude on the opposite side of the globe. The latitude of northern Africa drops to be the equivalent of the Equator, which receives more sunlight. As the globe turns during the day, it retains this new latitude long enough to roast North Africa.

The Zetas have hinted that a Severe Wobble could occur, detailing this in 2011. There is much evidence that the wobble is worsening. A few examples: In 2016 beaches along S America’s eastern coast at Santos were suddenly awash. By March, 2017 the wobble had changed the direction of the sea ice in the Arctic from clockwise to counterclockwise. In May and June, 2017 the wobble was tossing the war ships USS Fitzgerald and the USS Lake Champlain Ticonderoga near Japan against cargo carriers. And last March 18, 2018 beaches on the N Carolina coast went mysteriously dry.

http://www6.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue617.htm

[Bill Ryan]

On Russia - 7/31/2018: The wobble has gotten more extreme
[...]
http://www6.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue617.htm

No 'wobble'. :) Or else eclipses would happen at the wrong time, and GPS would no longer work, with drivers ending up in the wrong places, and planes flying to airports that weren't there. (Zetatalk is NOT a reliable source of anything.)

:focus:

[waves]

Woodfires are a normal cycle of life. The bad thing happens when humans prevent them for to long, then the really big ones will eventually come.

So all the totally mystified career fire chiefs just need to adjust, there's no chance anyone with the power to do so would order the military to do anything nefarious that hurts an innocent citizen and the 1000's of robotic reporters being given identical copy aren't being used to indoctrinate the world to concepts like 'firenados' and 'the new normal'.

Thank you so much for all the time and effort it must have taken to reach your conclusion that these fires have nothing to do with the very futuristic/technologically complex subject many of us are first trying to really understand involving combinations of DEWs/Haarp/Smart Meters/Cell Towers/Satellites and more.

Please do enlighten us why you've determined that all the various possible signatures of the use DEWs that have been noted are irrelevant and the simple answer for all these similar signature fires in the world is dry trees. Maybe explain how 1000's of houses including contents that required 2600degrees or more to disintegrate were completely surrounded by your dry trees that didn't burn at all. Or maybe start with how a plain old wildfire supposedly having spread due to 70+mph winds burned a straight line across a field of continuous grass:


https://s33.postimg.cc/6ceuw5dhb/cropped_newman.jpg

Because I have to say that a smug dismissive shallow post like this by someone who gives no indication about knowing anything whatsoever about the thread topic - the evidence for extremely advanced hi tech engineering of weather and fire - makes my blood boil when 1000's of lives are being ruined, anyone can be next and many, many valid questions remain unanswered.

This compilation video was posted July 10, way before the 650 home loss and counting in Redding right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w75WlxPtTGk&ab_channel=neverlosetruth

This a compilation of some of the indoctrination patterns and the fires around the world with similar DEW signatures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vThUvbr3fWw

[uzn]

Woodfires are a normal cycle of life. The bad thing happens when humans prevent them for to long, then the really big ones will eventually come.

So all the totally mystified career fire chiefs just need to adjust, there's no chance anyone with the power to do so would order the military to do anything nefarious that hurts an innocent citizen and the 1000's of robotic reporters being given identical copy aren't being used to indoctrinate the world to concepts like 'firenados' and 'the new normal'.

Thank you so much for all the time and effort it must have taken to reach your conclusion that these fires have nothing to do with the very futuristic/technologically complex subject many of us are first trying to really understand involving combinations of DEWs/Haarp/Smart Meters/Cell Towers/Satellites and more.

Please do enlighten us why you've determined that all the various possible signatures of the use DEWs that have been noted are irrelevant and the simple answer for all these similar signature fires in the world is dry trees. Maybe explain how 1000's of houses including contents that required 2600degrees or more to disintegrate were completely surrounded by your dry trees that didn't burn at all. Or maybe start with how a plain old wildfire supposedly having spread due to 70+mph winds burned a straight line across a field of continuous grass:



Then how come some plants and trees seeds just open after a wildfire. Just saying the longer one prevents a wildfire the harder it will eventually come. If you Prevent wildfires for 10 years then you are sitting on so much Wood that it will be a hell of a fire if it eventually breaks out.
I am not saying nowbody is fiddling with the weather. But the above is a fact and you dont have to be a rocket scientist to see that.

Just to make my point really clear:
If you have a campfire and you put 10 times the amount of Wood on there. Guess what you will get. Much higher flames and much more heat, Maybe even a little firetornado.

[Michelle Marie]

Directed Energy Weapons: More on High-Energy Laser Weapons
(See subtitle: Laser Induced Plasma Channel Weapons)

https://electronicsforu.com/technology-trends/directed-energy-weapons-high-energy-laser-weapons-part-8/2

"The conducting plasma follows the path of the laser and therefore can be directed to different targets by steering the laser beam. When the plasma comes in contact with a high-voltage source, a high-voltage current discharge travels down the plasma channel and then through the target to ground, thereby causing severe damage to the target--similar to what would have been caused had there been a lightening strike."
***********************************************************************
Short - Laser Induced Plasma Channel Weapon Prototype
July 2012
Kld3TuqsMkE
************************************************************
Weather Engineers & DEW Wildfire Attacks Are Out of Control
rzpobae8_lU

Who buys the Climate Change narrative?
@23:10
"We'll end with an 'Agenda 2030/Climate Change/Humans Bad' Ad."

It reminds me of the Flat Earth logic. :laugh:
I've seen this "humans fault" Agenda 21/2030 corruption before.
It all smells the same.

Luckily, there are aware people taking action.

*********************************************
MM

[ThePythonicCow]

Directed Energy Weapons: More on High-Energy Laser Weapons
(See subtitle: Laser Induced Plasma Channel Weapons)

Those of us who studied conventional science and physics tend to think of most of the matter in the universe as being neutral atoms, consisting of an equal number of negative electrons and positive protons. Given the very strong (relative to say gravity) force between particles of opposite charge, these electrons and protons never get far from each other and never get out of balance. We also tend to think of matter as being in one of three forms, solid, liquid or gas.

That's the conventional view.

But so far as I can tell, most, perhaps 97%, of the mass in the universe is plasma, not solid, liquid or gas.

One key property of charged (positive or negative) matter explains this. When moving through a magnetic field, positive particles (such as protons) bend in the opposite way from what negative particles (such as electrons) bend. So simply moving ordinary neutral matter quickly through a strong magnetic field will separate the electrons from the protons, into two separate streams, one all negative and the other all positive.

A second property of charged matter explains where these magnetic fields come from. It's quite simple. Accelerating charged matter creates magnetic fields.

The end result is that plasmas, currents of positive or (separately) of negative particles, make up much of the universe, from the atomic scale to the inter-galactic scale. They are the most energetic, and abundant, form of matter, across a vast range of scales.

It makes excellent sense to me that the preferred form of weapon for many situations would be not high speed lead pellets, nor rocket propelled chunks of chemical explosives, but "man made lightning bolts" ... plasmas.

[Michelle Marie]

Directed Energy Weapons: More on High-Energy Laser Weapons
(See subtitle: Laser Induced Plasma Channel Weapons)

Those of us who studied conventional science and physics tend to think of most of the matter in the universe as being neutral atoms, consisting of an equal number of negative electrons and positive protons. Given the very strong (relative to say gravity) force between particles of opposite charge, these electrons and protons never get far from each other and never get out of balance. We also tend to think of matter as being in one of three forms, solid, liquid or gas.

That's the conventional view.

But so far as I can tell, most, perhaps 97%, of the mass in the universe is plasma, not solid, liquid or gas.

One key property of charged (positive or negative) matter explains this. When moving through a magnetic field, positive particles (such as protons) bend in the opposite way from what negative particles (such as electrons) bend. So simply moving ordinary neutral matter quickly through a strong magnetic field will separate the electrons from the protons, into two separate streams, one all negative and the other all positive.

A second property of charged matter explains where these magnetic fields come from. It's quite simple. Accelerating charged matter creates magnetic fields.

The end result is that plasmas, currents of positive or (separately) of negative particles, make up much of the universe, from the atomic scale to the inter-galactic scale. They are the most energetic, and abundant, form of matter, across a vast range of scales.

It makes excellent sense to me that the preferred form of weapon for many situations would be not high speed lead pellets, nor rocket propelled chunks of chemical explosives, but "man made lightning bolts" ... plasmas.

Thank you for that explanation, Paul. I like how you made it simple and clear. The deeper the comprehension, the better off we are to effectively deal with these situations involving these technologies.

I truly believe that when we master our own energy fields, we will be able to overcome negative uses of technology and produce more beneficial outcomes and experiences. The language of energy often gets lost in semantics.

:bearhug:
MM

[Rha S ananda]

At the above video Dane Wiggington "GeoengineeringWatch.org," I spotted something you should all see. At 39:58/55 and 26/55, The Sun is in the photo and to the Right of the Sun is the outline of a Planet in Purple and Red in the second frame. The Sun is one and one-half inch and the Planet is one and three-quarters of an inch in the other. The planet is clearest in the 29:58/55 picture.

Now, in listening to the radio 58 hours ago, there was a report that the Sun Over Russia Went Out For Three Hours in an area the size of Great Britain. Only one explanation for that folks. A large planet obscured the sun in Russia just at that time Is this another or the real reason for the Chemtrail Clouds?

no its ashes... cloud blocking light sry no NIBIRU once again

https://siberiantimes.com/other/others/news/sun-blanked-out-in-arctic-siberia/
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/a-global-heat-wave-has-set-the-arctic-circle-on-fire.html

[waves]

Then how come some plants and trees seeds just open after a wildfire. Just saying the longer one prevents a wildfire the harder it will eventually come. If you Prevent wildfires for 10 years then you are sitting on so much Wood that it will be a hell of a fire if it eventually breaks out.
I am not saying nowbody is fiddling with the weather. But the above is a fact and you dont have to be a rocket scientist to see that.

Just to make my point really clear:
If you have a campfire and you put 10 times the amount of Wood on there. Guess what you will get. Much higher flames and much more heat, Maybe even a little firetornado.

We all know standard reasoning and don't need it repeated again, the intention of this thread is to discuss the huge array of anomalies that differ in the extreme from schoolbook wildfire behavior and patterns with or without added droughts in the area.

To maybe try to understand what we're talking about please at least listen to this young man's observations that he felt important enough to document, he starts exactly where you're at. He begins with referencing his old school understanding of wildfire behavior in nature/reseeding patterns from having worked at his university's Ecological Restoration Institute Forestry Program and goes on to describe what's greatly bothering him that doesn't fit. No conclusions, just the same observations and questions being put on the table here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9IlcALccCs&ab_channel=JesseCole

We're asking questions like how a 'normal' fire dustifies 3/4 of a house with a straight slice and leaves 1/4 untouched. The bizarre anomalies keep coming.
(edit: this is a replacement video for the first that disappeared)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL1y_2Dci_M&ab_channel=neverlosetruth


REDDING FIRE UPDATE:
1018 homes reduced to ash/lives, livelihoods ruined and counting.

[Michelle Marie]

At the above video Dane Wiggington "GeoengineeringWatch.org," I spotted something you should all see. At 39:58/55 and 26/55, The Sun is in the photo and to the Right of the Sun is the outline of a Planet in Purple and Red in the second frame. The Sun is one and one-half inch and the Planet is one and three-quarters of an inch in the other. The planet is clearest in the 29:58/55 picture.

Now, in listening to the radio 58 hours ago, there was a report that the Sun Over Russia Went Out For Three Hours in an area the size of Great Britain. Only one explanation for that folks. A large planet obscured the sun in Russia just at that time Is this another or the real reason for the Chemtrail Clouds?

no its ashes... cloud blocking light sry no NIBIRU once again

https://siberiantimes.com/other/others/news/sun-blanked-out-in-arctic-siberia/
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/a-global-heat-wave-has-set-the-arctic-circle-on-fire.html

There was also a report of a huge dust storm/cloud moving across the planet. I don't know if this is the reason for the darkout in Russia, but it is a phenomenon that is being tracked. In the report I saw, among other places, it was moving across Arizona. From an aerial view, it was vast, affecting several continents.

ADD:

Just found and reviewed it.
Nope. probably not affecting Russia.

But this footage was July 1st. I'll have to look for an update.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7hvnqUi6p9M


MM

[Bill Ryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9IlcALccCs&ab_channel=JesseCole
We're asking questions like how a 'normal' fire dustifies 3/4 of a house with a straight slice and leaves 1/4 untouched. The bizarre anomalies keep coming.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEqaeNWkSDg&ab_channel=aplanetruth.info



I have to say: those two videos are well-presented, measured, far from hysterical, worrying, and seem to ask very reasonable questions which I have no comfortable answers to.

[Arcturian108]

Up until now, I thought that some of our major weather events have been orchestrated by the powers that be, but as of early this morning I finally heard the most scientific explanation about how ALL Earth's weather is now controlled. Take a look:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZyVnrmcZSY

I am afraid that this explanation makes some aspects of the climate change theory true and due to the industrialization of the past two centuries, but not specifically to carbon.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Does anyone have information concerning these "forest" fires that destroy buildings but not trees? Happening in California and other countries. Who is doing it and why?
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[Cardillac]

what ISN'T being controlled anymore?- every aspect of our lives anymore is a child of artificial intelligence; the minute one picks up one's SmartPhone one is a slave of AI-

Larry

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
I watched the video and was very impressed with the presentation. The question I have is WHY haven't we heard of this before? For all the information I have read and watched and more reading I have never heard of this until now. Thank you Arcturian108 for bringing it to our attention! It appears that we have all had the wool over our eyes for decades and decades. It makes sense since as Larry said everything is controlled now.........
chancy

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Does anyone have information concerning these "forest" fires that destroy buildings but not trees? Happening in California and other countries. Who is doing it and why?


Nice find on that flyer, thanks Ron.

Who's doing it and why is a total mystery and what the agenda is meant to accomplish by the worldwide random catastrophic loss of homes, life and livelihoods in the 1000's and 1000's does not yet make any sense.

If you missed it, check out another thread began October 2016 when the Santa Rosa fires first hit and lots of video's and links to DEW concerns were posted...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100187-Deadly-unusual-wildfires-in-California-as-well-as-worldwide

I started another thread right now to focus solely on the evidence for nefarious possibilities when the Redding fire started right after Greece with the same patterns and felt a very strong dread of a very long summer and fall... if not more... on the horizon. I suggest you sift thru all the posts on the previous thread first to catch how this issue is evolving.

And while I'm at it, here's another current comp of clips, I especially like the testimony of the Santa Rosa lady from 2 years ago beginning at 12:25, someone first voicing astounded observations that have become prophetic.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irbvkG_jOm4&ab_channel=neverlosetruth

I also very much agree with this message included in the above comp....

https://s33.postimg.cc/v76o2hzf3/we_are_at_war.jpg

[Arcturian108]

Chancy:
I think the reason we haven't heard of this before is because for every controversy the Deep State has already put in place either gatekeepers, controlled opposition or limited hangout communities. About 20 years ago I heard Dr. Nick Begich speak about H.A.A.R.P and was totally impressed by his arguments that made this technology appear to be central to weather modification. I continued to hold that belief until today.

[waves]

Sounds like talking to AI. The robotic, scripted and soulless sounding interviewee who requests to be addressed as W-W-101 is very odd and the site owner been hiding his/her real identity all along apparently.

I lasted with her 'I never say anything I can't prove' attitude until she agreed that 'CO2 is driving climate change and global warming' and later implied that these (well meaning?) weather controllers have been trying their hardest but have so far failed to alleviate the CA drought. That would also be an example of not controlling 'all' the weather they want.

'She' keeps repeating that everyone talking about any HAARP affected weather functionality is just dead wrong, I would have at least liked the concept of HAARP interference with Gulf Stream to cause the CA drought addressed.

The existence of and possible functions of 750 nexrad stations manipulating the water vapor generated by 7000 US power plants needing the particulates generated by chemtrails are very curious puzzle pieces, but so viciously fighting with everyone else in her field and calling them all dead wrong gatekeepers is a rough attitude to rush to trust too.

What a tangled mess in the alt world.

[Arcturian108]

Sounds like talking to AI. The robotic, scripted and soulless sounding interviewee who requests to be addressed as W-W-101 is very odd and the site owner been hiding his/her real identity all along apparently.

I lasted with her 'I never say anything I can't prove' attitude until she agreed that 'CO2 is driving climate change and global warming' and later implied that these (well meaning?) weather controllers have been trying their hardest but have so far failed to alleviate the CA drought. That would also be an example of not controlling 'all' the weather they want.

Hearing his/her cloaked voice makes sense to me as the information she/he is presenting is so damning of our governments that the interviewee's life is certainly in danger.

Although I have only listened to this audio once, when it came to the part about CO2 causing climate change, I heard a different answer. She gave the carbon theory only scant support, but instead claimed that water vapor rising from power plants is the real culprit, and the larger particulate matter generated from industrialization the past two centuries is what has thrown the natural climate cycle off. Admittedly, I need to listen to the interview again.

One of the reasons I trust this person's opinion is that last summer in the midst of watching the devastation of Hurricanes Harvey and Irma, she/he put out a video showing satellite imagery of power plants across West Africa and the Atlantic Ocean stoking Irma in consecutively timed patterns to fulfill the weather forecast predictions that this would be a monster hurricane, and it performed as planned. I just found one of the videos she/he made regarding Irma. It is slow moving with a long introduction, but from about the 6 minute point he/she starts showing satellite imagery of Irma being created and amplified in Africa.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySNPIDA2VVk

[Matt P]

She/he is hiding her identity from the public, not the authorities. If he/she has Youtube and Twitter accounts and email they certainly know who he/she is.

Matt

[Justplain]

I find that, in the OP vid, ww101 presents reasonable arguments and evidence to the weather modification technology being used. The power plant water vapour with nexrad radar amplification/manipulation is interesting. I dont really see the evidence that doplar radar can modify clouds and wind, other than the salellite imagery. Certainly there's only ancedotal chemtrail evidence, though elsewhere chemtrail influence on cloud patterns is well documented.

The biggest issues with her logic, imho, are:

a) that ww101 is implying that the ptb are controlling all of this power plant/nexrad/chemtrail weather modification to 'fix' the wrongs caused by coal/oil power/engine use. This makes tptb out to be somewhat benevolent and stoic, which i find hard to stomach

b) for all of ww101's claims that she/he only states facts that she/he can prove, scant proof is given that the weather cycle was 'broken' before this nexrad/powerplant manipulation was rolled out. I grew up in the 1960s and recall tremendous weather related calamities that occurred then, including hurricane hazel, rampant forest fires, heat waves, fast freezes, hail, etc. The weather cycle wasnt broken, though pollution was bad.

c) ww101's assertion that the california drought being contrary to the 'controllers' desires seems like horsemanure. There is strong evidence that wildfires in CA are targetting neighbourhoods for agenda 21 rollouts. This does not support ww101's pov.

d) ww101 gives little evidence regarding the supposed 'cloud forming' tech (ie. that cheap tech a European inventor made a few decades back that can create clouds by pointing a 'gun' at the sky).

So, in conclusion, there are serious flaws in some of ww101's arguments. However, ww101 raises some likely valid points about power plant steam, and possibly nexrad doplar radar. Certainly these possibilities are well worth considering. The rest i am a bit skeptical about.

[CurEus]

A good very interview

[Noelle]

I watched most of WeatherWar101's videos last year. They are short and do more showing than telling, which I appreciate sometimes in videos. But there has been nothing new added to the WeatherWar101 (https://www.youtube.com/user/WeatherWar101/videos) YT channel in months. I also bought the WeatherWar101 ebook, No Natural Weather: Introduction to Geoengineering 101 (https://www.amazon.com/No-Natural-Weather-Introduction-Geoengineering-ebook/dp/B00KNCUSZW) ($5), which does more telling.

WeatherWar101's work gave me a lot to think about and research. What especially stood out to me in some of his videos about the cooling towers and gravity waves is that they operate with synchronization (worldwide). That made me wonder if our natural weather/climate system was intentionally destroyed so that it could be artificially rebuilt to make it controllable.

[Foxie Loxie]

Excellent observation, Noelle!! :highfive: I have been wondering the same thing myself....like the DEW fires in CA! Who IS controlling this planet & what is happening on it?!:confused:

[Hervé]

There was/is a whole movement, pioneered by the likes of Don Croft (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103676-R.I.P.-Don-Croft&p=1238483&viewfull=1#post1238483), which aimed at disabling these radar stations and equivalent cell towers...

[Arcturian108]

Folks,
When I first posted this thread I had only viewed about three of WW101's videos over the past year, one of them being about obscuring the August 21st, 2017 solar eclipse here in western North Carolina which I directly experienced on that day. We live about 1 mile from the direct center of the totality that was to occur at about 2:30 pm here. Our normal cloud cover and weather blows in from the west, and on that day the sky was clear and blue all morning and early afternoon, so we thought we would have a perfect view of the eclipse. But 20 minutes before the eclipse huge, billowing clouds appeared out of nowhere from the South and darkened the sky, and then soon after the eclipse these clouds disappeared for the rest of that day which was of course disappointing. In the following video WW101's explanation of this strange phenomenon begins at about 8:59:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dxS3ICecXc