Mindfulness: an exercise by Marina Abramovic

[Bubu]

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/video/2014/may/12/marina-abramovic-
method-video

Being in the moment is a difficult task in a chaotic environment. I think this is exercise will be of help as she proves in another interesting experiment.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTBkbseXfOQ

[marielle]

How interesting. She's the Spirit Cooking Lady.

[Bubu]

Thanks marielle, interesting indeed. But considering that good ones are normally demonize. Anyway I dont care so much about the person. Its very easy try counting rice and see what happens. I remember the first time reading about the Tibet 5 rites, I immediately go to forums and read what people are saying in regards, then it occurred to me heck its only five rites I've got nothing to lose in trying. I still do it everyday if I don't forget:) very good exercise.

graphic content
http://politopinion.com/2016/11/racist-spirit-cooking-dinner/

[Spiral]

Why the hell would anyone want to promote this monster & her demonic works ???

And please don't say it's art !

[Iloveyou]

On the one hand her current known actions are disgusting and frightening, not to mention the company she's surrounding herself with. Deeply involved in nonhuman, evil entanglements. Monster is the right word. The moment I started the video I couldn't stand her aura, it's deadly cold as ice. Just Spiral's reaction made me watch it.

On the other hand she was 28 in 1974 and imo showed extreme courage and willingness to explore her own boundaries, and to teach people something about themselves. Don't know if she succeded. Her action exposes how people throw away their basic human attributes so easily, explains how they are ready to submit to totalitarian regimes, it shows the 'banality of evil'. They start giving her a rose and end up putting the pistol in her hands to kill herself. How is that, this process is well worth exploring. It happens every day. Back then she made herself extremely vulnerable. She tried to unmask what's behind a mob chasing an innocent being to death, again and again throughout history. That's how I understand her performance. „I remember going back to the hotel, looking in the mirror and found a big piece of white hair.“ But that was 1974.

She must have come a long way and must have made a series of unfortunate decisions (to say the least) to arrive at the spirit cooking satanic circles and which I have no wish to learn about. To what extent is she a victim, too? So while I find her action from 1974 intriguing (with some reservations, it is really at the limits) – I wouldn't give her any more space or attention. She has transgressed all human limits meanwhile, maybe without return.

Thanks, Bubu, for posting such a controversial piece.

[enigma3]

This all has to do with trying to imitate the awakened state. Awakened people live in the now all the time. So unawakened folks try to acquire that state. Exercises may induce a temporary, short lived period of living in the now, but it's not the same at all.

Spontaneous times of living in the now happen to most of us and are a true measure of awakened living. An example: you are an avid gardener. It is spring and you are about to spend some serious time in your garden. You start gardening and a certain joy, not common to your living, infuses you in the garden. Next thing you know it is 3 hours later. Time has passed in the blink of an eye, you did your work effortlessly, without thinking, without a care in the world. You just did what came naturally and spontaneously. Welcome to the awakened state.

There are many exercises or practices that try to emulate awakening. Very few actually work. If they do then you would
spend increasingly more time living in the now. That hardly ever happens. So find things to do that turn you on. That you enjoy. If the activity engenders a forgetfulness of time, a lightness of being, and a joy that totally infuses you, you're on the right path. Then hope that Grace comes visiting and turns temporary into permanent.

[Marikins]

On the one hand her current known actions are disgusting and frightening, not to mention the company she's surrounding herself with. Deeply involved in nonhuman, evil entanglements. Monster is the right word. The moment I started the video I couldn't stand her aura, it's deadly cold as ice. Just Spiral's reaction made me watch it.

On the other hand she was 28 in 1974 and imo showed extreme courage and willingness to explore her own boundaries, and to teach people something about themselves. Don't know if she succeded. Her action exposes how people throw away their basic human attributes so easily, explains how they are ready to submit to totalitarian regimes, it shows the 'banality of evil'. They start giving her a rose and end up putting the pistol in her hands to kill herself. How is that, this process is well worth exploring. It happens every day. Back then she made herself extremely vulnerable. She tried to unmask what's behind a mob chasing an innocent being to death, again and again throughout history. That's how I understand her performance. „I remember going back to the hotel, looking in the mirror and found a big piece of white hair.“ But that was 1974.

She must have come a long way and must have made a series of unfortunate decisions (to say the least) to arrive at the spirit cooking satanic circles and which I have no wish to learn about. To what extent is she a victim, too? So while I find her action from 1974 intriguing (with some reservations, it is really at the limits) – I wouldn't give her any more space or attention. She has transgressed all human limits meanwhile, maybe without return.

Thanks, Bubu, for posting such a controversial piece.

Such a deep and comprehensive understanding. I love you iloveyou for your incredibly open mind.

I would say the kink here is that the force behind this all is a narcisstic ego that was steeped in a painful childhood, so she is at once demanding attention and demanding to be treated as an object as she was in childhood. Being treated as an object, not a beautiful human, is the product of mind control and evil the world over. I am sorry for her, but yet, her hunger for attention makes her a dangerous attraction to weak minds and those who want to elevate their own abuse to near mythic levels, regarding it as a thing of beauty.

[Bubu]

Thanks everyone for sharing your beautiful insights. I am more interested in the exercise and the peoples behavior. Any person has his/her good and bad side I will pick up the good, aside from that I see nothing good to gain or give including passing judgement.

"If the activity engenders a forgetfulness of time, a lightness of being, and a joy that totally infuses you, you're on the right path. Then hope that Grace comes visiting and turns temporary into permanent'.

very nice advice, thank you. glad that I posted the piece.

"The moment I started the video I couldn't stand her aura, it's deadly cold as ice"
Yep I feel the same, but still I find the experiment interesting and the exercise worth trying. not basing on anything by my instinct. Well maybe I will try corn instead:)

[jack]

Lets be mindful with Marina Abramovic..

http://zeroequalstwo.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Marina-Abramovic-4.jpg

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http://i2.wp.com/www.commonsenseevaluation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/SpiritCooking-with-Marina-Abramovic-and-Lady-Gaga.jpg


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https://www.churchmilitant.com//images/social_images/2016-11-04-RP-a.jpg


..the satanic witch.


These people are involved in the ritualistic torture rape and murder of children. They follow the teachings of Aleister Crowley and even quote him on occasion. Aleister taught that an intelligent young boy was the preferable sacrifice and oh yeah, he was very serious about this.

If you don't believe me the very ritual where Marina poured blood on the effigy of a young child is taken right out of Aleister Crowleys book. Study satanism and you will see.

[Franny]

Bubu, my concern would be that this is how she can draw in the unsuspecting, young and innocent seekers of meditation or spirituality. Once they are captivated and meditating under her instructions she can then move them on and on to spirit cooking lite, then on as many steps as it takes to involve them in the satanic type activities she is involved in.

I cannot see how following anything she teaches would be the least bit beneficial to anyone.

Search for images of her with some keywords like, MoCA, satanism etc.. The pictures will tell you more than I want to.

Ah...I see that some were just posted.

[DNA]

I concur with Jack.
Marina Abramovic is an advocate for Hollywood types and politicians to engage in pedophilia and child sacrifice for the sake of stealing the energy of children in order to stay young.
Marina is in fact 70 years old, so she more than likely practices what she preaches.
A terrifying prospect if you look at her current pictures where she looks nothing like a 70 year old woman.


http://1vze7o2h8a2b2tyahl3i0t68.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/12-16_w_Marina-70_1.jpg (http://www.artnews.com/2016/12/14/friends-and-enemies-gather-amid-silence-and-gold-for-marina-abramovics-70th-birthday/)

[Bubu]

Bubu, my concern would be that this is how she can draw in the unsuspecting, young and innocent seekers of meditation or spirituality. Once they are captivated and meditating under her instructions she can then move them on and on to spirit cooking lite, then on as many steps as it takes to involve them in the satanic type activities she is involved in.

I cannot see how following anything she teaches would be the least bit beneficial to anyone.

Search for images of her with some keywords like, MoCA, satanism etc.. The pictures will tell you more than I want to.

Ah...I see that some were just posted.

Thanks I will be careful. Thats why I said I will use corn, maybe its with the rice:)Though I have never been into a tight fix trusting my instincts, on the other hand many people have fallen following the rational path. As I have mentioned before "nobody goes fishing without a bait" I assure you I will take the bait only:) not for anyone though it takes practice. jeeeezz her energy is terrible. As mentioned above "she is in a point of no return.
What really interest me is her experiment which is undeniably on spot. Even on Avalon some people would barge into you especially when you got a sign of helplessness national flag. Isn't it wonderful that she makes us see what we really are and for that I am thankful to her. Dont understand why cant we shake that belief of a "bad person" where everything just everything about a person is bad. Tell you what " Even with the best person i.e. Davis Icke always reserve something. Isnt brainwashing anchored on close mindedness. I don't think I am the one closed minded.

[Bubu]

This discussion really interest me. because now I once again witness that while there is something to be learned on most occasions, most people will focus on the "bad person" instantly and entirely. thankfully there is at least one that see what I see.

[Bill Ryan]

My strong recommendation (to anyone) would be not to connect with this in any way at all, even just with your interest and attention.

If you leave the doors and windows open to your house, all kinds of stealthy things can then get in and hide.

[Wind]

Nothing good can come from following the left hand path... But yes, the powers offered by the dark side are extremely tempting to the ego. You just might end up losing your soul in the process. Satanists are barely human.

https://gnosticwarrior.com/difference-between-the-left-and-right.html

[Jayke]

This discussion really interest me. because now I once again witness that while there is something to be learned on most occasions, most people will focus on the "bad person" instantly and entirely. thankfully there is at least one that see what I see.

Fascinating video Bubu, what I saw from my psychology background would be called an 'initial sensitising event'...

She asked the average human to show them the real face that exists under the veneer of socially acceptable behaviours. She asked people to show her their true colours (once liability for guilt and repercussions were removed). Those people removed their mask alright and showed her the darkness that exists in the recesses of the human psyche...

That kind of experience could traumatise a person to the point that she became obsessed with the dark side of the human character, in an attempt to understand it, even to the point of identifying with it. Her descent into spirit cooking could have been set about by the trajectory her life took as she looked into the abyss and saw the darkness staring back. A scary reminder that the average human might not be as truly human as we initially think. More animalistic and predatory under the guise of the well tailored clothes they present in their false persona. This is an example of what I was talking about on that other China thread about the collective consciousness of humanity determining the extent of what the illuminati are enabled to do. The illuminati just reflects back the character level of the collective consciousness.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Living forever. One of the first stories ever recorded is about Gilgamesh looking to be granted eternal life because he is two thirds god. Of course he was a man of some integrity so he did not delve into the arcane arts but he did travel to some pretty evil places on his quest.

As living sentient beings we live very short lives. We just get comfortable in these avatars and its time to leave. Given another two, three hundred years and we might even become adults. But we wither and die instead, never reaching the full potential of these bodies (except for some very few people). In today's world I am convinced it is a blessing. In another world we would lament our short lives like we would a child's untimely death today.

Bubu, do not go there. Aleister Crowley is evil to the core. Anything he touched is equally evil. Long life is easily attained but it is not for this world and our current mindset. Only the most staunch and dedicated masters can endure it. There will be a time when long life will be granted to everyone. That time is not now...

[BMJ]

Body Language: Marina Abramovic Spirit Cooking

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Bombard's Body Language
Published on Jan 4, 2017
***Strictly my Opinion*** We look at the type of personality that drives this woman to these acts and why people follow her.


In summary Marina Abramovic is an attention seeking, self centered, controlling and mentally unstable person.


P.S. People lie, but fortunately it is very hard for a persons body language to lie.

Therefore by understanding the signals a person is sending out you can get a better idea of their character and so the motivation for their actions, and whether they are selfless or selfish.

[Bubu]

This discussion really interest me. because now I once again witness that while there is something to be learned on most occasions, most people will focus on the "bad person" instantly and entirely. thankfully there is at least one that see what I see.

Fascinating video Bubu, what I saw from my psychology background would be called an 'initial sensitising event'...

She asked the average human to show them the real face that exists under the veneer of socially acceptable behaviours. She asked people to show her their true colours (once liability for guilt and repercussions were removed). Those people removed their mask alright and showed her the darkness that exists in the recesses of the human psyche...

That kind of experience could traumatise a person to the point that she became obsessed with the dark side of the human character, in an attempt to understand it, even to the point of identifying with it. Her descent into spirit cooking could have been set about by the trajectory her life took as she looked into the abyss and saw the darkness staring back. A scary reminder that the average human might not be as truly human as we initially think. More animalistic and predatory under the guise of the well tailored clothes they present in their false persona. This is an example of what I was talking about on that other China thread about the collective consciousness of humanity determining the extent of what the illuminati are enabled to do. The illuminati just reflects back the character level of the collective consciousness.

Good point. Maybe she was entirely convince after that experiment that human is naturally darkness and so she decided to be natural. haha

[Bubu]

Bubu, do not go there. Aleister Crowley is evil to the core. Anything he touched is equally evil. Long life is easily attained but it is not for this world and our current mindset. Only the most staunch and dedicated masters can endure it. There will be a time when long life will be granted to everyone. That time is not now...

Thanks Ernie. i cant even imagine myself going there. But closing doors is no different than closing eyes. i always keep my door open, always. I am only interested in the experiment as I have mentioned above and the human behavior. There is something to be learned as I have said. I am attracted to events/actions and not to people or gurus.

[Bubu]

Body Language: Marina Abramovic Spirit Cooking

GnRbwXMaoAU

Bombard's Body Language
Published on Jan 4, 2017
***Strictly my Opinion*** We look at the type of personality that drives this woman to these acts and why people follow her.


In summary Marina Abramovic is an attention seeking, self centered, controlling and mentally unstable person.

Thanks BMJ, what about the people that follow her? ah I see they are the guru seekers

[RunningDeer]

There will be a time when long life will be granted to everyone. That time is not now...
Quality life and extended life are things I play with but NOT like Marina Abramovic.


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[Iloveyou]

The invitation "I'm an object. You can do whatever you want to me. I'll take all responsibility" was not restricted or defined in any way. So it adressed not only the physically present audience that evening, but also the inhabitants of the astral world. A pronounced and open invitation to take her over.

[Jayke]

The invitation "I'm an object. You can do whatever you want to me. I'll take all responsibility" was not restricted or defined in any way. So it adressed not only the physically present audience that evening, but also the inhabitants of the astral world. A pronounced and open invitation to take her over.

I'd disagree, the phrase "I'll take all response-ability", indicates the maintenance of individual sovereignty, the maintenance of samadhi, which shields from astral influences...the audience made no such declarations themselves however so it is an invitation for astral entities to test the strength of her samadhi through manifesting in the lusts and dark desires of the audience. Probably why the audience hung their head in shame and left quietly once the show was over, they allowed themselves to get temporarily possessed and overtaken by the darkness.

The darkness isn't something that needs to be shut out imo, shadows can't snuff out the light produced by a candle, the shadows only take over once the spotlight of pure awareness is blinded by the veils of dross desires and emotions. There's only light and an absence of light, the creation of shadows is but merely an illusion.

[Iloveyou]

I'm with you for the most part. Your perspective is absolutely valuable to me.

Can't we say that her statement/invitation was at least confusing or contradictory?
Did she really take responsability in full awareness? Or rather like a child or teen (who's not mature enough to be aware of all consequences) would say: Let me play with this one. It's my life. I'll take all responsibility.

In case of making such a profound and far-reaching statement one has to be very detailed, precise and outspoken, l believe. Or otherwise to connect with the divine being inside - as you've said. Make sure that the lights are on, than the darkness has no chance.

[Jayke]

If you choose to play a social game like this, then I'm pretty sure her samadhi and concentration levels would have been hyper focused for the duration of the event. Afterwards when she got home, felt traumatised and began reflecting on the experience (breaking samadhi by taking her attention away from the present moment) unless she did any very deep energetic clearing techniques immediately after the event, that's when astral energies can start to weave their way into the fibres of the unconscious, that's when they can take a hold and then change the trajectory of a persons life.

Taking her eye off the ball (all daydreaming and reflection is the minds eye travelling in the astral realm) is like taking her hands from the reins so to speak. Whenever a person daydreams there's the potential for invoking or evoking astral entities, either positive or negative (the more intense the visualisation, the stronger the effect) depending on the quality of energy a person is daydreaming about imo

Like i mentioned in a previous post, she looked into the face of the darkness, and part of it stuck with her it would seem

[Bubu]

"For quite some time, neuroscientists have taught us that it was impossible to change our brain. Now, years later this theory has finally been proven wrong!"

of course every proclamation had been proven prior to proclaiming. What guarantee do we have that the new proclamation would not be like the previous one.

"According to Thuret, these dietary practices increase neurogenesis:"
▪ Intermittent fasting
▪ Regular Intake of flavonoids (examples at bottom)
▪ Regular Intake Omega-3 fatty acids (examples at bottom)
▪ Calorie restriction of 20 to 30 percent

I did intermittent fasting even before I knew that it is intermittent fasting
I have lots of fruits and veggies everyday mostly fruits without someone telling me to do so
I eat lots of fish on my ones a day meal and thats also by instinct and yes I love peanut butter
eat very little rice as compared to what I use to have probably less than 20% also by feel.
I am better off listening to my instinct than to others but its only me.
Although I must admit it feels good to have a confirmation, thanks Paula

[Bubu]

If you choose to play a social game like this, then I'm pretty sure her samadhi and concentration levels would have been hyper focused for the duration of the event. Afterwards when she got home, felt traumatised and began reflecting on the experience (breaking samadhi by taking her attention away from the present moment) unless she did any very deep energetic clearing techniques immediately after the event, that's when astral energies can start to weave their way into the fibres of the unconscious, that's when they can take a hold and then change the trajectory of a persons life.

Taking her eye off the ball (all daydreaming and reflection is the minds eye travelling in the astral realm) is like taking her hands from the reins so to speak. Whenever a person daydreams there's the potential for invoking or evoking astral entities, either positive or negative (the more intense the visualisation, the stronger the effect) depending on the quality of energy a person is daydreaming about imo

Like i mentioned in a previous post, she looked into the face of the darkness, and part of it stuck with her it would seem

Good insight Jayke, how does one do an energetic clearing techniques?

[Jayke]

Good insight Jayke, how does one do an energetic clearing techniques?

Depends how strong a persons state of equanimity is...when I'm under astral attack the first line of defence is simple tai chi movements and meditative breathing, it helps harness any toxic or uncomfortable energy stored in the auric biofield. Getting the energy moving helps to transform it and purify it. Once it feels clear and just like pure energy as oppose to anything toxic, the energy can be stored in the cerebellum at the base of the skull.

If, after this stage, there's still any lingering aka chords (http://therapeuticreiki.com/blog/claim-your-energy-back-detach-others-aka-cords/) or uncomfortable attachments, it's time to roll out the big guns, I have 4 astral defenders in the north/south/east/west positions (put in place via imagination and developing a healthy relationship with your ego and subconscious mind) similar to totem animals in native Indian medicine wheels...

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d1/08/4d/d1084deea8c0b4473711d42cc893ad84--native-american-symbols-native-american-spirituality-medicine.jpg

Mine are 2 dragons (east and west) a lion (south) and a phoenix (North)

To remove the aka chord I usually get one of the dragons to unleash some fury and breathe fire along it until it reaches back at the person who attached it to begin with...burning up their ill intent along the way. (Not always necessary, sometimes healing and transformative energy can be sent down the aka chords to heal the person or entity at the other end). If that doesn't work you can get the different animals to use their particular skills one by one until the aka chords are broken and serenity returns.

In extreme cases I've had to use ashwaganda tea, it helps soothe the adrenals, which makes it easier to feel energetically balanced.

Always finish off with some shadow work i.e. acceptance, compassion and empathy for the aspects of reality that caused the event to come about...followed by some ho'oponopono (http://www.laughteronlineuniversity.com/practice-hooponopono-four-simple-steps/) until the body feels fully and completely relaxed and imperturbable.

It's a process of basically clearing out the 5 skhandas in the Buddhist tradition.

The 5 skhandas
1. Form
2. Sensation
3. Conception
4. Volition
5. Storehouse skhanda

Tai chi clears the form and sensation levels.
The imagination techniques clear out the sensation and conception levels.
The aka chord techniques and herbal remedies purify the volitional impulses.
And the shadow work and ho'oponopono purify the storehouse skhanda (erases any negative intent from your memories so that only the wisdom of the experience is left behind)

Thats a very basic summary of my inner alchemy work at least. You can get creative obviously and develop your own techniques, but as long as it follows the skhanda structure, you can get some extremely deep energy clearings going on.

[Jayke]

It should also be noted that the circle with imaginary figures placed at the cardinal points is also found in Solomonic magic. They use 4 heavenly angels instead of 4 animals like in the shamanic traditions. Solomonic magic was originally devised to clear out the 5 skhanda levels simultaneously, but like all psychological technology it got subverted at the hands of lower character level people as we progressed into the Kali Yuga age. Used to evoke and control demons as oppose to strengthening ones mental fortitude against them.

The placement of a protective circle is an all important feature in ceremonial magic...it would have interested me to see, if Marina had drawn a protective circle around herself during the social experiment, how many people in the audience would still have been able to cross that line of basic human decency?

[Bubu]

The placement of a protective circle is an all important feature in ceremonial magic...it would have interested me to see, if Marina had drawn a protective circle around herself during the social experiment, how many people in the audience would still have been able to cross that line of basic human decency?

Interesting, I heard that shamans here do the same before treating a patient. But most of them even the best of them eventually succumb to the negative energies. Well the best of them will have many patients treating many people each day. So I can imagine how demanding it is for them to ward of the negative energies that try to get back at them. I remember assisting a friend coming from abroad. We went for the best shaman that I knew close by. when we went there someone in the house told us that he is no longer treating people as he have cancer. So we went to another farther from my place only to be told that the shaman is on leave because she is sick. eventually we settled for a shaman that is not well known.

[Jayke]

Interesting, I heard that shamans here do the same before treating a patient. But most of them even the best of them eventually succumb to the negative energies. Well the best of them will have many patients treating many people each day. So I can imagine how demanding it is for them to ward of the negative energies that try to get back at them. I remember assisting a friend coming from abroad. We went for the best shaman that I knew close by. when we went there someone in the house told us that he is no longer treating people as he have cancer. So we went to another farther from my place only to be told that the shaman is on leave because she is sick. eventually we settled for a shaman that is not well known.

Reminds me of an old parable...

A doctor who works with the body, his fame spreads far and wide, he's known by the whole nation.
A doctor who works with the mind, his work is more subtle, his name spreads only so far as the village.
A doctor that works directly with the spirit, his work is almost imperceptible, so his name never leaves the house.

It's the same with any healing modality, there's always a risk of taking on some of the clients negative karma (there's plenty of hypnotherapists that do weight loss sessions and who themselves are overweight and struggle with weight loss issues. Or psychologists who suffer from depression). The famous hypnotherapist Milton Erickson was basically shamanic in his approach to healing, he had all kinds of failing health issues, he never let his failing body taint the warmth of his generous spirit however...a true healer until his last breath.

[Jayke]

Another interesting book for overcoming trauma and developing greater mindfulness...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Body-Remembers-Psychophysiology-Treatment-Professional/dp/0393703274

Written by Babette Rothschild. Yup, that's right, a descendant of the Rothschild dynasty (according to google at least) it's got her parent as Mayer Amschel Rothschild though (who died in 1812) so unless the Rothschilds are in possession of some seriously profound life extension technology (I wouldn't put it past them) then the google attribution might be wrong. Either way, still an interesting book and pertinent to the theme of the thread.