View Full Version : Elon Musk Magically Extends the Battery Life of Tesla Vehicles Fleeing Hurricane Irma
Bubu
12th September 2017, 09:47
Good gesture by Ellon, but isn't it scary that your car can be hacked from anywhere?
" In what is either a generous act of charity or an unnerving example of the control Tesla exercises over the vehicles it producers, or perhaps both, Tesla CEO Elon Musk has magically unlocked the batteries of every Tesla in Florida to maximize the distance that people fleeing from Hurricane Irma can travel before stopping to refuel at one of the company’s “superstation” charging centers."
Typically, these types of over-the-air upgrades can cost thousands – if not tens of thousands – of dollars.
Typically, these types of over-the-air upgrades can cost thousands – if not tens of thousands – of dollars."
A Tesla Model S 60 owner in Florida told Electrek that his Tesla was getting 40 more miles without a charge after Tesla had temporarily unlocked the remaining 15 kilo watts of the car’s software-limited battery pack.
“The company says that a Tesla owner in a mandatory evacuation zone required another ~30 more miles of range to optimize his evacuation route in the traffic and they reached out to Tesla who agreed to a temporary access to the full 75 kWh of energy in the battery pack, an upgrade that has cost between $4,500 and $9,000 depending on the model and time of upgrade.”
The company also decided to temporarily unlock other vehicles with the same software-lock battery packs in the region.
Tesla’s supercharger network is fairly extensive in Florida and most owners should be able to get by even with a Model S 60 (the shortest range option), but sometimes that 30 more miles of range can make a big difference.
http://theantimedia.org/elon-musk-magically-extends-battery-life-tesla-vehicles-fleeing-irma/
uzn
12th September 2017, 09:56
Ah, "Good Cop" Elon Musk. Well, if you are on a get away and your fancy car just stops, you know you been Teslaid.
Mike Gorman
12th September 2017, 10:03
Personally i like petrol, it comes from good organic sources, and it packs a cheap wallop
neutronstar
12th September 2017, 10:35
Good gesture by Ellon, but isn't it scary that your car can be hacked from anywhere?
Any car that has a computer in it, witch is all cars made today, can be hacked. All the controls can be remotely controlled. Brakes, acceleration, steering.
a_h3210
12th September 2017, 11:53
Good gesture by Ellon, but isn't it scary that your car can be hacked from anywhere?
Any car that has a computer in it, witch is all cars made today, can be hacked. All the controls can be remotely controlled. Brakes, acceleration, steering.
Agree, and I do think it is inevitable, unless we make a conscious effort to stay off the grid.
ceetee9
12th September 2017, 14:04
Good gesture by Ellon, but isn't it scary that your car can be hacked from anywhere?
" In what is either a generous act of charity or an unnerving example of the control Tesla exercises over the vehicles it producers, or perhaps both, Tesla CEO Elon Musk has magically unlocked the batteries of every Tesla in Florida to maximize the distance that people fleeing from Hurricane Irma can travel before stopping to refuel at one of the company’s “superstation” charging centers."
Typically, these types of over-the-air upgrades can cost thousands – if not tens of thousands – of dollars.
Typically, these types of over-the-air upgrades can cost thousands – if not tens of thousands – of dollars."
A Tesla Model S 60 owner in Florida told Electrek that his Tesla was getting 40 more miles without a charge after Tesla had temporarily unlocked the remaining 15 kilo watts of the car’s software-limited battery pack.
“The company says that a Tesla owner in a mandatory evacuation zone required another ~30 more miles of range to optimize his evacuation route in the traffic and they reached out to Tesla who agreed to a temporary access to the full 75 kWh of energy in the battery pack, an upgrade that has cost between $4,500 and $9,000 depending on the model and time of upgrade.”
The company also decided to temporarily unlock other vehicles with the same software-lock battery packs in the region.
Tesla’s supercharger network is fairly extensive in Florida and most owners should be able to get by even with a Model S 60 (the shortest range option), but sometimes that 30 more miles of range can make a big difference.
http://theantimedia.org/elon-musk-magically-extends-battery-life-tesla-vehicles-fleeing-irma/How magnanimous of Musk/Tesla that they would forego thousands of dollars in a "software upgrade" (that costs them virtually nothing and takes seconds to do) to help those in a time of dire need.
My question, however, is: why would Tesla "hold back" part of the full potential of the battery pack for their cars in the first place? Oh yeah, so they can rape their customers for a $4500 to $9000 upgrade. Never mind...
latina
12th September 2017, 15:11
ceetee9. Exactly so. Same as the programmed obsolescence of everything. We the customers have allowed all these greedy companies to rape us out. Nobody is watching them and in today's day by day way to do business, secrecy is a given; in that secrecy they have free pass to do whatever they want and the rest of the people can no longer know how anything is done any longer. They can give you more or less of the capabilities of any device, machine, computer, etc and you will never know about it; they have the technology, they just want us to pay for every bit of it in every possible way. Upgrades? They are way too expensive! Guaranties? Those are the new easy money makers, with the programmed obsolescence they know when a machine or device or appliance is going to stop working. Have you guys notice as soon the guaranty is expired the appliance or whatever stops working? And there you go, you need to call for service! And if it's a car you are basically forced to go to the dealer when every service they can give you is like five times the price of any mechanic shop
Carmody
12th September 2017, 15:46
There is also the issue of when Tesla allows a more heavy drain or pressure on the given battery packs, that the battery packs have to be replaced more often. The allowance of the full use of the pack causes them to have to be replaced more often. IIRC this is at Tesla's expense, not that of the Tesla car owner.
Customer pays for access, Tesla pays for the new batteries which will eventually be required. From multiple directions, it is both bug and feature.
As for hacking, I drive cars that don't have wireless functions and are hard connected, mechanically, to their essential features and functions.
ceetee9
12th September 2017, 16:18
ceetee9. Exactly so. Same as the programmed obsolescence of everything. We the customers have allowed all these greedy companies to rape us out. Nobody is watching them and in today's day by day way to do business, secrecy is a given; in that secrecy they have free pass to do whatever they want and the rest of the people can no longer know how anything is done any longer. They can give you more or less of the capabilities of any device, machine, computer, etc and you will never know about it; they have the technology, they just want us to pay for every bit of it in every possible way. Upgrades? They are way too expensive! Guaranties? Those are the new easy money makers, with the programmed obsolescence they know when a machine or device or appliance is going to stop working. Have you guys notice as soon the guaranty is expired the appliance or whatever stops working? And there you go, you need to call for service! And if it's a car you are basically forced to go to the dealer when every service they can give you is like five times the price of any mechanic shop
Absolutely Latina! Planned obsolescence has always been part of the manufacturing process. But I remember when a refrigerator, for instance, would last 20-30 years. We bought a new refrigerator, washer and dryer and dishwasher four years ago and we've had three of the four devices serviced two to three times each so far. In just one of the service calls the technician replaced the entire water/ice dispenser unit (a $200 part alone) in our refrigerator to fix a small plastic piece that broke which simply engaged the ice dispenser switch – which could've been replaced for a buck or two. But, hey, why replace a $2 piece of plastic when you can gouge the customer for a $300+ ice dispenser unit and service call. I'm glad I purchased the five year warranty extension.
I also remember when manufacturers had to, by law, provide parts and service for their products for seven years after the product was discontinued. Now it seems they only have to provide parts and service for seven minutes after a product is discontinued.
One would think that with all our advanced technology and decades of product development experience that we would design products that would last much longer now than they did 50 years ago. But, as you pointed out, it's not about providing quality products and service. It's about maximizing profits and keeping the consumer in perpetual service and product replacement mode. And, sadly, the majority of consumers won't voice their dissatisfaction and disgust with these business practices and will just sit back and take whatever they're handed.
Ernie Nemeth
12th September 2017, 19:14
I was a bit perplexed about this news story as well. How could the people's hero, Elon Musk, be purposefully monetizing the range of his vehicles. My first thought was, I never trusted that guy anyway, I'm not surprised. My second thought was this must have an explanation. I left it there because I could not think what the reason was.
Thanks Carmody for making it clear. I'd forgotten that one - deep cycle charging. A battery can only be charged/discharged so many times (around 1000 cycles I believe for most commercial batteries). The life of the battery can be extended by not draining it to the max before charging back to full again. This was not true of earlier model of dry and gel type batteries when the technology relied on nickel/cadmium as the storage medium. Those batteries had to be fully discharged because they have a charging 'memory'. If you charge them before full discharge they will not accept a full charge and will 'remember' their discharge capacity according to when you charged them in the cycle. Full use - full charge. Charge too early - never take a full charge again.
But with lithium ion batteries there is no 'memory' and the batteries can be charged at any point in the charge/discharge cycle without any appreciable change in full charge capacity. In this new scenario, deep discharge becomes an issue because full use of charge on any battery reduces its useful life. Limiting the discharge rate extends the life of the battery (I also believe they have increased the charge/discharge cycle life of the newest batteries).
I still don't trust Mr. Musk, though.
Spiral
12th September 2017, 19:36
Not sure how much use 15kw is going to be ......
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Builder
12th September 2017, 20:35
My question, however, is: why would Tesla "hold back" part of the full potential of the battery pack for their cars in the first place?
Because completely draining a battery pack damages it, which means reduced performance and lifetime. Something you don't want to do, except in extreme circumstances. Simple as that, no conspiracy theories needed.
Michi
12th September 2017, 21:26
My question, however, is: why would Tesla "hold back" part of the full potential of the battery pack for their cars in the first place?
Because completely draining a battery pack damages it, which means reduced performance and lifetime. Something you don't want to do, except in extreme circumstances. Simple as that, no conspiracy theories needed.
I really hope this soooo old-fashion-battery type gets soon replaced by graphene batteries!
(see: http://grabat.es/en)
Then we don't have to bear with that deep draining problem and low mileage.
Looks like the industry really has to milk this Li-Ion battery money cow to death. :facepalm:
ceetee9
12th September 2017, 21:47
My question, however, is: why would Tesla "hold back" part of the full potential of the battery pack for their cars in the first place?
Because completely draining a battery pack damages it, which means reduced performance and lifetime. Something you don't want to do, except in extreme circumstances. Simple as that, no conspiracy theories needed.Agreed. But I seriously doubt Tesla would do a software upgrade that would allow the battery to drain completely regardless (i.e., I would expect there to be a pad/reserve of say 10% charge remaining to protect the battery even when the gauge shows zero charge) otherwise an expensive software upgrade that "extends" the driving distance of a charge while simultaneously destroying the life of the battery would be highly frowned upon by Tesla owners and would likely bring lawsuits. But then, I'm no expert on Li-Ion batteries or automobile manufacturing.
Bubu
13th September 2017, 01:57
deep discharge becomes an issue because full use of charge on any battery reduces its useful life. Limiting the discharge rate extends the life of the battery (I also believe they have increased the charge/discharge cycle life of the newest batteries).
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It is in fact the main battery killer. The rule circulating is " half discharging makes the most of the battery.
"I still don't trust Mr. Musk, though"
Me too
Builder
13th September 2017, 08:16
I thinks this serves as great example of how ignorance leads to conspiracy theories.
If you know nothing about battery technology and Tesla's products and philosophy, it's understandable to misinterpret the media headlines. My first reaction to this thread was an urge to post the tripple Star Trek face palm, but I then realized that not everybody is an engineer ;-)
Lifebringer
13th September 2017, 15:00
Yes but wouldn't it be great to have both the graphene battery and engine parts using graphite and the upgrade. Cars could possibly go twice as far. Even better, loop the engine electric power flow, where it doesn't require a charge.
That was "the REAL TESLA'S intention." Free energy and transportation travel vehicles. Marconi and the Gov really milked this gas cow to dangerous levels of carbon, plus the volcanoes from Nibiru being activated by the 2nd sun, will be dire if we don't quit ignoring double or triple carbon increases will destroy the atmosphere's ozone and then if you think you're 3rd degree sunburn now, microwaves are the worse with Fukishima's aftermath.
Time to quit this stuff man, or NO future breathing unless a corporation sells you air!!!
amor
14th September 2017, 03:54
ONCE AGAIN! All that is required to bypass the battery recharge problem is to attach a magneto with belt to any rotating part on the car mechanism or to a fifth wheel placed through the floor of the trunk. The magneto turns as its wheel or rotating part turns the belt, sending current changed to direct current to the batteries. The batteries can be in parallel and consist of one or several types of batteries in a fail-safe method. BINGO, you have a car that creates its energy as it moves. WHAT IS THE BIG PROBLEM??
Bubu
14th September 2017, 10:18
there is more hope on this one
"An inventor from the Philippines has demonstrated a bare bones electric vehicle with an 11-kW DC motor running on just one 12-volt battery, which is kept charged via an antennae circuitry that draws electrostatic or radio wave energy from the surroundings. He's also developed a super-efficient repelling force that he wants to engineer into an engine.
This is reminiscent of Nikola Tesla's Pierce-Arrow electric automobile conversion that he ran on a little black box, extracting energy freely somehow from the wheelwork of nature, requiring no petrol.
Aviso has been working on this for 13 years but recently achieved a major milestone, posting a video to YouTube showing his vehicle running for around 10 minutes back and forth in his long garage, with passengers on January 31, 2011; but the battery stayed full.
First of all, the 11 kilowatt DC motor should have very quickly drained the one battery. Aviso says that "there is no one else who can run an 11 kilowatt motor on just one 12-volt battery." So that was the first feat.
Secondly, at the end of the demonstration, the voltage on the battery was 13 -- higher than the rated 12.6 volts for the stock battery. Acceleration takes a lot of energy. Stopping and starting like that repeatedly should have sucked a battery bank down. Yet the battery stayed full.
Here's the video of their demo. It's not entertainment material, but it is an excellent demo in content. Even though they don't show a "before" shot of the battery voltage, the stock specs of the Motolite battery can easily be looked up, to show that their "full" voltage is 12.6 volts."
https://pesn.org/2011/02/05/Ismael_Aviso_Self-Charging_Electric_Car/bin.htm
https://pesn.org/2011/02/05/Ismael_Aviso_Self-Charging_Electric_Car/Ismael_Aviso_Self-Charging_Electric_Car_labeled_400.jpg
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