North Korea: countdown to *Something*?

[Honesty]

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South Korea: North Korea Launched Missile Over Japan (http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/14/asia/north-korea-missile-launch/index.html)

Updated 7:09 PM ET, Thu September 14, 2017

South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff said Friday that "North Korea fired an unidentified ballistic missile from the vicinity of Sunan, Pyongyang."

The missile "flew over Japan and toward to the North Pacific Ocean," they said.

Japan's public broadcaster NHK showed a government warning, known as the J-Alert, that "a missile" has passed over Hokkaido, northern Japan, and landed in the Pacific Ocean. NHK also stated: "The government is advising people to stay away from anything that could be missile debris."

Citing the Japanese government, NHK added that the missile landed "2,000 kilometers (about 1,240 miles) off the cape of Erimo in Hokkaido at around 7:16 AM local time."

The launch comes just hours after the rogue nation responded to the United Nations Security Council's unanimous approval of additional sanctions by threatening to "sink" Japan and reduce the US mainland into "ash and darkness" in North Korean state media.

Click HERE (http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/14/asia/north-korea-missile-launch/index.html) For Full Article

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[Justplain]

As we inch closer to a real confrontation.

[Bubu]

The solution is for the world to realize that N Korea is not the problem.

[Jayke]

CNN politics Harley...the Clinton News Network is hardly the most unbiased source to be citing articles from...for an alternate perspective on the situation in North Korea. I personally find the new eastern outlook (https://journal-neo.org) website to be a much more insightful and balanced source of geopolitical commentary:

https://journal-neo.org/2017/09/10/vladimir-putin-and-the-new-sunshine-policy-to-rescue-korea/

Written by Phil Butler, a policy investigator and analyst, a political scientist and expert on Eastern Europe

Live from the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok, Russian President Vladimir Putin “North Korea will ‘eat grass’ before giving up nukes.” The simple truth and logic of the statement came through loud and clear for most sane people – sanctions and sabre rattling always serve to aggravate and separate nations. But Mr. Putin’s pragmatism provokes the question, “What about what North Korea wants?”

Has anyone every relayed the other side of the Pyongyang’s side of the unending crisis on the Korean peninsula? If anyone did, I know no American citizen was ever made aware. Since the Soviet Union and the United States separated Korea after World War II a constant state of friction has existed between North and South. And since North Korea invaded the South causing the Korean War (1950–1953), the socialist North has been in a constant state of readiness with militarism at the forefront of society. Without going into a full history lesson, North Korea has good cause for maximum military preparedness these decades, especially when Korean War strategies by US generals are examined. The Korean War was a war of attrition and the real start point of a Cold War that would sap the energies of all nations on Earth in the end. For China’s part, the North Korean contributions to the Chinese Communist victory have never been forgotten since the creation of the People’s Republic of China in 1949. When China felt threatened and entered the war, the threat of global nuclear war became a real possibility. With the geography of Korea in mind today, it’s easy to see President Putin’s warning of the current situation blossoming into a full fledge “global catastrophe” are not sensationalism. A US intervention on the peninsula today would almost certainly lead to a bitter break in relations between key nations.

The people of North and South Korea have never been the concern of other nations. This is the hard-cold reality of today’s crisis there. Korea has always been about containment and geo-strategy. This was first acknowledged (unintentionally) when President Harry Truman admitted in his autobiography that the “police action” was meant to confront the Soviet and Chinese communist regimes. This fact was also outlined in the declassified (1975) National Security Council Report 68 (NSC-68). Quoting from President Truman’s book:

“Communism was acting in Korea, just as Hitler, Mussolini and the Japanese had ten, fifteen, and twenty years earlier. I felt certain that if South Korea was allowed to fall, Communist leaders would be emboldened to override nations closer to our own shores. If the Communists were permitted to force their way into the Republic of Korea without opposition from the free world, no small nation would have the courage to resist threat and aggression by stronger Communist neighbors.”

But North Korea’s position, the people of that nation’s real desires have never been addressed. All we know of is the narrative of containment and crisis to this day. From here forward we can choose to explore the murky truths of yesteryear, to try and justify perpetual conflicts of interest, or we can examine the ideas and policies that will create a perpetual peace. Who started the Cold War, which nations were at fault or defensive back then, matters little if progress is to be made. In answer to the question “What does North Korea want?”, it seems clear independence and prosperity are the answers. But since the fall of the Soviet Union and the withdrawal of support from Moscow the bold Juche Idea of self-reliance of Kim Il-sung has met in a kind of paradoxical catastrophe. Sustainability is impossible, especially with useless spending and effort toward militarism. Now Kim Jong-il faces and almost unstoppable downward spiral of internal and external policy unless given an alternative. The way I see his regime’s nuclear posture, is as a call for attention to the needs of his country in which he and his supporters do not lose face. But US President Donald Trump and the Japanese allies are not building any bridge the North Korean leader can cross. The reasons for this are plainly obvious – the US impetus needs ongoing conflict to be sustained.

Evidence of my contention here is abundant, and especially where South Korea’s Sunshine Policy is noted. In 2000, South Korea’s leader Kim Dae-jung was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his successful implementation of the Sunshine Policy, which was exactly the “bridge” I call for. The Bush administration saw to it this re-connect in between North and South could never succeed. Barack Obama played his role as crisis perpetuator, and now Trump has been whipped into shape doing the same. Providence Magazine author Anne R. Pierce called the strategies of that president, “Obama Administration’s Feckless, Heartless North Korea Policy”, and that’s just what it was. For those unfamiliar, the Sunshine Policy resulted in greater political contact between Seoul and Pyongyang, and many more historic moments in Inter-Korean relations including several high-profile business ventures. When Kim Dae-jung and Kim Jong-Il met in 2000 hopes for reconciliation ran very high. Some readers may recall that after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, the United States administration called North Korea part of the Axis of Evil. It was after this that North Korea severed ties with the South again. For my argument the implications are crystal clear. And as to the question of what North Korea wants, “normalization” of relations should be the unarguable conclusion we take away. Gestures of equality and friendship provoked a positive result, but somehow US policymakers advise Donald Trump to threaten like Bush did. As Vladimir Putin suggested the other day, American diplomats seem unable to formulate intelligently. The assertion that the Sunshine Policy was the key to alleviating the Korea situation is also supported by Patrick McEachern, the author of Inside the Red Box: North Korea’s Post-Totalitarian Politics, who compared North Korea’s nuclear demonstrativeness under the Sunshine Policy and afterward. The fact the North rattled nuclear sabers more frequently since the policy failed bears looking at.

Now that Russia’s Putin and South Korean President Moon Jae have met in Vladivostok, there is talk Moon will soon adopt a new Sunshine Policy with the help of Moscow and Beijing. Some readers will remember it was Moon who acted as chief of staff for Roh Moo-hyun, Korea’s last liberal president, the man who continued the “Sunshine Policy” of his predecessor Kim Dae-jung. This brings me to a final point where Moon, Putin, and even Japan’s Abe are concerned. There’s a Nobel Peace Prize still waiting for Putin, and whoever cements a future for Korea North and South will certainly snare the prize. Putin’s increasing role on the world stage, his clear moves toward the East, and especially his moderation during an aggressive stance by the West are positives the Koreans need.

The hard truth of this situation is that Pyongyang desperately needs a lifeline, they just don’t want to beg for it. From my perspective, I don’t blame them one bit. Showing my country’s oligarchs weakness is like blood in a shark tank. The North Koreans are starving but too proud to grovel, this should be abundantly clear. I think if Donald Trump were more interested in solving these crises than in appearing to have “grandes bolas”, the world would be far better off. “Shock and Awe” on the Korean peninsula with fallout headed to China, Russia, and Japan simply won’t fly. I’ll bet Putin gets the food flowing to North Korea soon.

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[Harley]

You don't have to explain the politics of CNN or any other mainstream news agency to me Jayke.

When the story broke there were at least a dozen different sources publishing it, and it just so happened that I randomly clicked on CNN.

My only goal was to post the BREAKING NEWS on PA.

Thank you

[KiwiElf]

IMO, North Korea is the proxy... a rabid little Rottweiler under the reign of China, (which is under control of the Rosthchilds) - Nth Korea is merely doing China's/Cabal's dirty work for them. It's a global game of chess & Kim Jong Un is China's "conveniently useful pet eediot" (rhetorically, does he have a choice?). Let's face it, China could end this instantly. Why don't they? ;)

[Jayke]

You don't have to explain the politics of CNN or any other mainstream news agency to me Jayke.

When the story broke there were at least a dozen different sources publishing it, and it just so happened that I randomly clicked on CNN.

My only goal was to post the BREAKING NEWS on PA.

Thank you

Yeah no worries, I'm just highlighting that the breaking news can be interpreted differently by different people watching the events unfold. Some people might jump to the wrong conclusions and get fearful that this is an act of war that must be punished with more war rhetoric and propaganda, such as the neocon war lobbyists choose to distort the events for their agenda. I'm just offering a more balanced view to show that there's other interpretations of the event that don't require people to respond with fears of war. You might be aware of CNN's political stance Harley, but guests reading the forum might not be as astute in their discernment just yet. It's always best to expose them to multiple points of view so that they can get a deeper idea of the motivations, intentions and goals of the North Korean leadership, rather than misinterpreting the actions of that government as an excuse to drum up support for more unnecessary wars.

How people interpret current events is just as important as the events themselves imo, if not more so.

[Jayke]

IMO, North Korea is the proxy... a rabid little Rottweiler under the reign of China, (which is under control of the Rosthchilds) - Nth Korea is merely doing China's/Cabal's dirty work for them. It's a global game of chess & Kim Jong Un is China's "conveniently useful pet eediot" (rhetorically, does he have a choice?). Let's face it, China could end this instantly. Why don't they? ;)

I'm just curious, what strategies do China have at their disposal to bring this situation to an end if they chose to? And I'm not asking that to be combatitive BTW, just interested in potential options for resolution that various countries might be capable of implementing should the desire to do so ever arise.

[KiwiElf]

No worries Jayke ;). Quite simply "cut him off" (resources, oil, technology etc). Nth Korea's bulk of trade (80+) is with China. Russia's dealings with them are miniscule - Nth Korea need China more than China needs Nth Korea. But for China to do what Nth Korea does directly would be an outright act of war. They can't realistically do that (and nor can the US either). Basically, China wants the US out of the area. Not going to happen.

Where is Nth Korea getting the resources/technology from? Nth Korea also provides a huge amount of the methamphetamine production which is routed back through China and onto us (global).

Let's not forget that China is a Communist regime & Nth Korea is a modern day incarnation & epitomy of the 3rd Reich minus the know-how or resources. Cut them off completely, they have nothing.

Checkmate. ;)

[WhiteFeather]

Hmmmm, Is there a Rothschild Global banking system in N Korea yet? If not, than this is the reason for all the propaganda Bullshyte. Does anyone smell Economic Hitmen here?

[justntime2learn]

Hmmmm, Is there a Rothschild Global banking system in N Korea yet? If not, than this is the reason for all the propaganda Bullshyte. Does anyone smell Economic Hitmen here?

I smell it!

Isn't North Korea sitting on one of the largest mineral / ore deposits in the world?

I was just reading about that on Avalon about a month ago.

Following the money is a great tool to start with ...

[justntime2learn]

You don't have to explain the politics of CNN or any other mainstream news agency to me Jayke.

When the story broke there were at least a dozen different sources publishing it, and it just so happened that I randomly clicked on CNN.

My only goal was to post the BREAKING NEWS on PA.

Thank you

I know what you mean Harley and I've done the same thing before.

At least coming from CNN everyone in America will believe it.

I don't know what's more humiliating, being an American or not being able to get through to my fellow Americans.

[Bubu]

I’ll bet Putin gets the food flowing to North Korea soon.

That is what should be done. At this moment N korea is driven into a corner like a dog ready to depend itself. But instead everyone is calling for more sanctions and making threats to the already horrified N Korea. If Kim gives up WMD he will surely follow Saddam Gaddafi and company. This is not to appeased a mad man or a mad regime. These people has the memory of being bomb to almost oblivion by the very same group that is threatening it now. Imagining myself in their place I would show off my pangs as well. her is a related article.
http://theantimedia.org/major-flaw-us-foreign-policy/

[mojo]

Its a crazy world we live in when some will excuse N. Korea for their actions. Those that do should consider how their citizens are treated. And remember how Otto was treated?

[Bubu]

Its a crazy world we live in when some will excuse N. Korea for their actions. Those that do should consider how their citizens are treated. And remember how Otto was treated?

Unfortunately the actions of N Korea is based on the media of the craszies that is what making the world crazy. Still crazier is the fact that despite knowing that this are crazy media the crazies still choose to believe it. well they are crazy. What could be crazier than the group bombing multiple nations at anytime and the ones who believe them.

PS N Korea is bombing oceans

[bogeyman]

All this is just for international recognition and strengthens the regime including its leader.

[Bubu]

All this is just for international recognition and strengthens the regime including its leader.

No dude its to protect itself from the bullies. What happens when the bully got a more powerful weapon? Why would one nation be prevented from having something that other nation have. " you are only allowed to have the apples, berries are for me only and of course I can have apples anytime." whats the difference?We seem to missed the very simple logic here all because we listen to the crazy media of the crazy group. Its a crazy world indeed when one man trying to have what another have is considered crazy. Its a crazy world when most people
believe in exclusivity.
read this link you'll get some enlightenment. facts are presented base on what really transpired and is well documented no propaganda BS and arguments are base on simple logic
http://theantimedia.org/major-flaw-us-foreign-policy/.

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[Chuck]

Honesty,
You might enjoy this interview with Anthony Patch discussing CERN and the resurrecting of Osiris on Sept 23rd (he interprets as the anti-christ). He comes from a very Christian background but I do enjoy watching him render his hosts absolutely speechless (who are also fundamental Christian in belief)... it had me laughing several times. Nevertheless, Tony's science knowledge and mixing with the occult is a fascinating listen. Also makes me think of the latest visuals in The Game Of Thrones series... the White Walkers. He has many more videos available... this was published way back in March. Discussing CERN starts about the 13min mark.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5ZOXnTBTlw